Boonta Vista - EPISODE 88: Tristan The Rat

Episode Date: March 4, 2019

Andrew and Theo are here to give you the latest in controversial balloon news. We also dig into George Pell's conviction, the right wing reaction to the news, and where Flava Flav fits into the whole thing. BIG OBVIOUS CONTENT WARNING FOR SEXUAL ABUSE *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Merchandise available at: boontavista.com/merchandise *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Button Vista episode 88. That's right, we finally reach the number of miles per hour that you need to go in, I guess, a modified GMC Delorian if you wish to travel through time, but we don't do miles per hour, because it's fucking Australia. I'm Andrew. I'm here with Theo. I'm also to travel through time, but we don't do miles per hour here, because it's fucking Australia. I'm Andrew, I'm here with Theo, who also knows a lot about time travel. See, I just thought it was the racist number. Do they, do you think they knew it was the racist number? Did they make it the racist number on purpose?

Oh no. That's something I don't really want to think about. Sure, no it just... Is it some sort of Holocaust allegory? Well, people need answers. Well, I tell you what, they didn't go back in time and try and prevent the Holocaust, did they? No, you have to wonder, they went back to like play cowboys and stuff. It's like just fuck around in the Wild West. Yeah, they went back to try and make sure that Marty's parents fucked. Yep. It's kind of all they really did.

Yeah, he like plays someone else's song on guitar and pretends that he like came up with it, which apparently is cool, but didn't stop the Holocaust. So we're living in multiple dimensions I think it's important to note, right? Just multiple branching directions and at no point do they attempt to create a branch, which is well within their power. I mean I'm no, look I'm no expert on the movie series so I'm sure I'm going to get lots of a the the the holtoss. the holtoss. the h. the holtoss. the h. the h. the h. the holtos. the h. the h. the h. the h. the h. the h. the h. the h. the h. the h. the hays. the hays. to stop the hays. their their to stop to stop their to stop their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their holc. their th th th. they. th they. they. they. their their their their their their their their their power. I mean I'm no, look I'm no expert on the movie series so I'm sure I'm gonna get lots of emails from angry people who think those movies are actually funny. But it's well, look it's well within their power to stop the Holocaust and yet

they choose not to. I think there's a message in that for all of us. That's so true. I mean, they did show in Back to the Future 3 that Marty was very good with a gun. Hmm. So, you know, all I'm saying, he could have been in there. Oh no! It's the news. Everybody's the news everybody, unexpectedly. And it hits you when you least expect it. Wow, I'm going to be honest, I didn't expect it. No, me either. What are we watching? I'm allegedly, I'm allegedly at the controls here, but there is breaking news.

A new Australian scandal. That's right, I'm talking about balloon watch. I think it's probably the hottest thing going on in Australia right now especially in regards to like crime and punishment and that sort of thing. It's certainly the only thing I can think of going on. When you tell us all about it? Well in balloon watch this week what I can only assume will become a very regular segment. Just like all of the other segments. All of our other segments, which, come and go fleetingly. There has been an incident in Canberra, at the Canberra Balloon Spectacular, where a racist, hot-air

balloon has been banned from participation. Mm-hmm. Which I enjoyed to no end, basically. Hey, did you see the thing a little while ago where Katie Perry released a line of shoes and everybody said, hey, what the fuck is up with your blackface shoe? What? Did you happen to see? No? Katie Perry's black face shoot? All right, so I need everyone in the happen to see? No, no. Katie Perry's blackface shoe?

Hang on. All right, so I need everyone in the audience to drive along with me. Katie Perry. It's just the KATY, I believe. Yes. I'm going to go black face shoe. Now this should.

I'm getting an auto complete for black face shoes here. Interesting. So now this has opened up a page in Dock Dock Go. I'm assuming that you're all seeing the same thing in your Doc Dock Go browser. Hang on, let's try Google images. Yep. And why are you doing that? You mean Doc Doc Doc Go images, I assume. Absolutely. Anyway, Katie Perry put out some shoes, one in like a kind of tan color, and the other, just black, red lips. Oh my god.

Kind of ill-conceived on that one. That is extremely funny. Now, she did cough it. She did cop it over that one. But the balloon, the balloon is a little more on the nose than the than the shoes. On the lips, I'm going to say. From seeing it, I think. Yeah, I think you're right.

Let's read here from National, National Treasure, ABC News. The owner of a hot air balloon banned from the Camber balloon Balloon Spectacular over its quote, racist and offensive name and facade says she never intended to upset anyone. The balloon named Black Magic, and also known by the nickname Golly, Golly, Uh-huh. Depicts a smiling black face resembling the Golly-Wog character,

which is considered by many to be a racist caricature. When are we going to get past this in the gollywog character which is considered by many to be a racist caricature. When are we going to get past this in the news? We're absolutely not going to get past. We're never going to get to a point where we can just call a thing racist, are we? Yeah. Well we can just say, like, blackface is a type of racist caricature. Gollywogs are a type of racist character. When will we get there, folks? We ever gonna get there?

Continuing on, the ACT government has announced the balloon would be excluded from next week's balloon spectacular, citing concerns it could offend sections of the community. Owner Kay Turnbull said her balloon had flown at the event for decades without issue. I was devastated, absolutely devastated, she said. It's never been our intention to offend anybody ever ever ever to offend anybody ever ever to offend anybody. And in fact in 20 years of flying this design of balloon, we've never had a single complaint from anyone. I love my balloon and no one's ever had a problem with it. It's fun! Oh my god. God. Events ACT director director director director director director wasn't until the balloon's nickname, Golly,

who was raised that staff began to question the balloon's inclusion. It came through under the name of the balloon being black magic, also commonly referred to as, golly, Ms. Verden said. It was primarily the golly which brought it to our attention that it was possibly considered to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to be racist to bethat it was possibly considered to be racist and offensive by many people in the community. The facade of the balloon is concerning because it does visually depict the gollywog and that's clear by the eyes, the mouth, and the bowtie on the balloon. Look, I mean, if you haven't already looked up the picture of it, they blacked up a balloon. Absolutely. How much shoe polish did it take th in in in in in in the the thi thi the thi th the in the the in the the in the the the in the the the in the the the thi the the the the in the community the community th up the picture of it, they blacked up a balloon. They absolutely. How much shoe polish did it take to do that balloon? How many tins are

we talking here? Oh. Hal Jolson to balloon. Incredible what we could do with technology. I just, I never thought I would see like the gollywalk debate transfer to like, you know, aerial transport. Basically. It's a thing I didn't. How. How. How. How. How. How. How. How. How. How. How. How. How the the the the the thine. How the thine. How thin. How thin. How thin. How the thin. How the thin. How the the the the the the thin. How many. How the the tins. How many. How tins. How tins. How tins. How tine. How tine. How tine. How tins. How tins. How tins. How tins. How tins. How tine. How. How. How the th. How. How. How. How thin. How thin. How thin. How thin. How thin. How thin. How thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. I thin. I the thin. I the the the the the the the thin. the the the thin. Howe. How many the like, you know, aerial transport, basically. It's the thing I did. New domains. New Horizons.

New horizon for the horizon. The Australian boomers love nothing more than like just claiming that they've had a dog named Blackie for the last 20 years. And nobody can't. No one's had a problem with it until now. Until the PC police came along or you know we started actually hearing black voices or whatever. You know I'm not sure what it was but uh look just just let me black up my balloon and fly it in a national balloon. What is the balloon thing? Is this the same balloon thing that they fly the tiddy goblin in? The big the big tiddy walrus balloon or whatever it is? The

tiddy walrus balloon? What is that called? It's got a name. Okay look you, you describe whatever balloon thing is. I'm gonna find you put big tiddy walrus balloon in to duck-do-do and see see how we go with that that that this is a thing it's like all these other things in Australia you know we've talked about on the show in the past. The Sky Whale the Sky Whale folks Google the Sky Whale if you don't it is one of the funniest things. Oh it's amazing and I love how mad people get about the Sky Wh. It's great. This giant, strange, whale, mammal-looking thing with big sagging titties all over it. It's like they made a balloon out of a mass effect enemy, and then they gave it like 19

tits. Folks, please do. Google Skywale. Click on images, and then just behold an amazing balloon. We don't need blackface on our balloons. We do need many, many giant titties. Yeah, the whole gollywog thing is weird in Australia. We have spoken about it on the show, including with our friend, dear friend of the show, Victor Rodriguez, shout out to Vic. Oh yeah. We sort of talked about this in the past, how like, Australia has this kind of weird

relationship with like blackface and gollywags and all that sort of shit, because we have obviously our own very racist and colonial history and, but like a lot of the things that are I guess super on the on the nose in America there's also like a much stronger direct relationship to those things whereas I kind of feel like like things like Blackface and somebody wearing a clan outfit at a local AFL game and gollywogs and stuff like that. They all just have this like kind of one step of remove where simultaneously everybody knows what the deal is but people love to kind of kind of one little step of cultural ignorance and we all know it's

bullshit. It's look it's just harmless, it's just some harmless fun. And it really, I mean it just comes down like none of us get fucked taught shit in Australian schooling about like our colonial history. Yeah it just doesn't happen. There's no there's no awareness of it in our in our education system, which is a whole nother thing, but we kind of then just to get to not know anything about where this stuff comes from. It's fun. Well, yeah, like a wife of the show, my wife, Eleanor, she does like various types of craft. She does like you know weaving and

whatever needlepoint all kinds of shit and so for that reason she has been in lots of like you know craft Facebook groups and shit like that and every time like like a gollywog thing pops off she's just like oh no now I got to now I got to listen to all these middle-aged women and defend white craft group yeah gollywogs are just totally normal and cool and there's nothing racist about them because I had them when I was a little girl and they weren't race nobody was shouting at me about them being racist then so so there is like there is an infinite amount of dolls th you th I th I th I th I th I th I there th I th I th I th I there th I th I th is th is th is like th is like th is like th is like th is like th is like th is like the the the the the the. the. the thi thi the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. their their their is their is their is their is their their their is their their is their is liked their their is like their is like their is like their is like their is like their is like their is like their is like their is like thi their is like thi thi thi thi thi the the the thoooooooooooooooooooooo. theeeee. theeee. theee. the the the th like there is an there is an infinite amount of dolls that you can make or balloons that you could construct. There's there is basically no limit to

You could be making a sky whale look at that you could be you could be making a sky whale And the one thing the one thing that we ask that you don't make is a gigantic balloon with black face on. Right, you can have all of the other things, right? Your imagination is just let it let it saw. And just this one thing, you know, maybe golly walks like not so cool, not so good. But like even that one little thing, you can't take away from people. Just to round out the balloon watch segment and this story, Miss Turnbull, this is the owner of Black Magic, the Gollywog balloon. Miss Turnbull said she would continue to fly the black magic balloon at other events, but would...

But would rent another balloon to fly at the tellain to fly the black magic balloon at other events but would but would rent another balloon to fly at the Canber balloon spectacular? This I'm fucking love flying balloon. I better go get myself another slightly less racist balloon. Yeah this one's got a poncho yeah kind of really try and test the threshold of like a disgusting character show and mustache. Yep. Oh, god damn. Come on. Come on, lady. Just get yourself a nice regular balloon. Come on. My goodness. I'll tell you what, uh, Gollywogs, all that sort of stuff. It's a real thing of the past in Australia. Hmm, go on. You know, there are other things from Australia's past, like the 70s, thua-s, thia-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, th-s, th-a-s, th-a-s, th-s, th-a-a-a-a-s, to-a-s, to-s, come-s, to-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come-s, come come-s. Come, come. Come, come. Come, come. Come, come. Come, come. Come, come. th-s. th-s. th-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. th-s. th-s. Come, come-s. th-s. th-a-a-s-s-s-a-a-s-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. Come-a-s. Come on, come-s. Come on, come, come, come, come-s- from Australia's past like the 70s TV show, Prisoner, for example.

Hey, speaking of that... Ah, fuck's sake. Do you know who else is a prisoner? George Pell. George Pell. Archbishop George Pell. Highest ranking Catholic in Australia and one of the most senior Catholics at the Vatican, I believe? Now, let's just put right up front a content warning for...

Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. If you, I mean, look, if you know, you know what it's about. If you... Oh, no, actually, sorry, I miss speak. There are people certainly that I have, American fans that I've discussed this with, that have asked quite innocently, who is George Pell? What's the deal with George Pell? It involves sexual abuse, so... So, yes, if you would prefer to hear nothing about any of that, then now's your chance to skip ahead to like two minutes before the end of the show.

Because that's kind of what's been popping off in the Australian media at the moment. Because as I said, he is basically one of the most senior figures in the Catholic Church in the world. He is absolutely the most senior Catholic figure to ever come from Australia. And he, in his sort of rise through the ranks was eventually handpicked to go to the Vatican and like oversee a lot of their financial stuff I believe. Always happy to be told that I'm very wrong and to shut up because I'm a big idiot about this stuff. But I believe that's the deal. As of now he will no longer be performing that role because he has been found guilty by a unanimous decision of a jury in a Melbourne County

Court. No, we had counties in Australia, but there you go. After a very kind of tumultuous trial, one of several years long, the whole thing has been. Several years long, there was previously another trial in which I think the jury couldn't reach a verdict. So there was a retrial. And during that retrial, there was a suppression order during that the whole time. So I guess, um, hold on. One more bit of context here. Pell 77. This is reading from some, um, I'm, I, one more bit of context here. Pell 77, this is reading from some newspaper.

Pell 77 was found guilty on December 11th in Melbourne's county court, a decision which was revealed yesterday because of a lengthy suppression order. He faces a maximum 50-year prison sentence for his sex abuse crimes against two young boys 22 years ago. He will return to court today with his lawyers making a final bid for his freedom. His lawyers are pushing for a retrial or for the Cardinals child sex convictions to be set aside. Just ignore those, they're going to say. Just pop them over there on the shelf. Forget all about him. So the suppression order, which Judge Kidd, put, you know, what's the word I'm looking for?

The suppression order, they wanged out there during the trial. Yeah, he's whanged it out there. He's wanged it out there. He's just tossed one out. And that has basically said, and because it's an Australian court, it applies within Australia, nobody can report on the details of this case. In fact, they cannot even report on the fact that this trial is happening. This is mainly because this person is such a prominent public figure.

Someone who has been involved in a lot of things about Catholic church abuse in the past. He, like George Pell was somebody who was put in charge of the Catholic Church's response to sexual abuse in Australia at previous points. And the very I guess strong suggestion there is that he helped actively cover stuff up rather than responding to things or trying to change the culture at all. So you know he already has a public association with this kind of stuff. Like there would be a lot of people who would already have, you know, their own preconceived

perceptions about him. So the whole reason that they do the suppression order is basically to say it has to be kept out of the media so that it doesn't influence the trial because otherwise they will have to, you know, declare a mist or a quit him or do a retrial or whatever. So essentially the reason boils down to if people violate the suppression order there is a very real chance that they can actually sway the outcome of the trial. Yes. That is what I believe to be the case. Absolutely. And I think there was people we saw people from kind of I guess all across the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thus the thus thus the thus the thus thus thus thus thus thus to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too. to too. too. too. too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. tre. tre. tre. tre. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. toe. toe. toe. to be the case. Absolutely. And I think there was people, we saw people from kind of, I guess, all across the spectrum, criticize the suppression order. A lot of a lot of people whom I think had their hearts in the right place as far as like, you know,

we need to be talking about this as being silenced and all this sort of stuff where I don't really, I don't agree. I think like obviously it has all come out in due course without you know jeopardizing the trial. The trial is completed and we've kind of we can now report on it fully and here it is and so I think probably like when did that suppression order kind of really get heated up like three months ago or so? It was it was in December when yeah it was in December when the verdict was initially reached and other outlets other international outlets reported it. Yes so the Daily Beast primarily

The Washington Post. Yeah, the Washington Post. They published a number of articles but like pulled most of them down later. Yeah, but the Daily Beast have been absolutely defiant, I would say in the last couple of days to say, look, we reported it when no one else would. And I kind of think, well, is that wise? Is that a good way to kind of spend your journalistic kind of discretion? I don't think so. Well, I think the issue with this, right, is that you could probably, you could probably

sort of draw some parallels to this in like Australia's defamation laws where, you know, I think Australia is widely acknowledged to have very, very, very, like, draconian defamation laws. But by the same token, there are steps that you can take to not defame someone, I think. So at the end of the day, it kind of comes down to make a personal choice about that. And the same thing goes for the suppression order where like I you know I have read stuff where like legal associations and stuff have been saying this really does prompt you know the the idea that there should be a rethink of these laws.

Apparently there's like 200 different pieces of legislation across the country governing this stuff. So the laws are like wildly inconsistent depending on where you are, all that sort of stuff. There are obviously a lot of people who know a lot more about both the press and the law than us who think that it's not great. But you have to balance that against the fact that that is currently what the law is in this country. And that if you can like, if you can say, as I believe Noah Shackman from the Daily Beast

was saying, he's a mutual follower on Twitter, so shout out to Noah. But he was saying like, you know, we are the Noah but he was saying like you know we are the only ones who like you know we're brave enough to report on and stuff but like he was saying that in the sense of like you know speaking truth to power and standing up for the victims of this thing and there's nothing you're not doing the victims of these crimes any great favors by having the fucking case thrown out. You're not doing them any favors. I just looked up Noah and he doesn't follow me on Twitter, so my opinion is that he can go fuck himself.

Friend and enemy of the show. No, Shaq. So as a result of this, um, I'm just reading this thing from the guardian here uh... as many as one hundred journalists have been threatened with a charge of contempt of court and could face possible jail terms over reporting on the cardinal george pell trial victorio's director of public prosecutions carry jud q c has written to as a many as a hundred individual publishers editors editors at media giants news corp nine entertainment many as 100 individual publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and sub-editors at Media Giants News Corp, Nine Entertainment, the ABC, Kriki, and several smaller publications, accusing them of breaching a nationwide suppression order imposed during the case.

Nine's Melbourne Master, the age alone received more than 30 letters. Letters were sent to the journalists in early February, saying they had potentially interfered with the administration of justice and scandalized the court. The ones who do not have a strong enough explanation could be prosecuted. The Herald Sun published the most dramatic piece, a black front page with the word censored in large white letters. Yes, that was, yeah, good time. Because the Herald Son is a messy bitch who loves drama. The world is reading a very important story that is relevant to Victorians, the page one editorial said.

The Herald Sun is prevented from publishing details of this very significant news, but trust us. It's a story you deserve to read. So like, part of the issue with this, right? Is that, like we said, they've sent out a hundred different letters and everything, and they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. today, te. te. te. the. the. the. the. the. the. the issue with this, right, is that like we said, they've sent out a hundred different letters and everything and they're going to ask different people, what did you publish and you know, they're going to ask them to explain what they're published. Some people, I think, like, reported on it in like very, very, very, very opaque terms where they you know like a page six item you know not not directly referencing any detail of the thing but you could still kind of tell what they were talking about right up to the herald son basically like having a great big page one winge that they weren't being allowed to do

this thing and there are the two realities here one of whichthey weren't being allowed to do this thing. And there are the two realities here, one of which is, hey you might go to jail. You may well get found in contempt of court and go to jail for a bit. And I am really not, I am not well-versed enough in any of this to say whether or not any individual journalists should consider this to be like, you know, refusing to reveal your source for something and getting sent to jail for a while or whatever. But there is a distinct possibility, there is the reality in this, that as part of George Pell's appeal, he can point to this stuff and say, yeah. Some of these people publish stuff, a hundred

letters went out from the prosecutor's office saying that people published things. Therefore this could have polluted the ability to get a fair trial, there is a possibility. I don't know how strong that his case will be, you know, his case will be dismissed on appeal because of people choosing to break the suppression order and publish stuff. Again, I don't have any super well-formed ideas or thoughts about the specific laws or about people's obligations or responsibilities to publish things in the media,

but I do know that if, as a culmination of this years-long thing, a very senior member of the Catholic Church had finally been found guilty of some pretty fucking horrible crimes and then he was let off because someone said you published a thing like a dickhead when we told you not to and now we have to throw the case out, I think you'd feel like a real douche. I think you would feel like an absolute tool. But for now, he is a convicted pedophile, Cardinal Pell. And you would assume that all of the reactions to this are very normal, right?

Oh, absolutely. Well, in the Australian media, of course. In the Australian media, you would expect only one kind of reaction to this, but... Would you think that reaction is pedophilia is bad? I would have thought that the reaction would be pedophilia as bad. Not so fast, my friend. But let's read on. My goodness. What if I was telling you that... What if I was to tell you? That's, so of course, the the the the to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that that to to to to that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that, that, that, that, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the.a. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. telling you that... What if I was to tell you? That, uh, so of course, two colonists that we have spoken about with regularity on this show, both from News Corp, the Daily Telegraph, their old son, Andrew Bolt and Miranda Divine. Now, Miranda Divine herself is Catholic and has mounted a feverish defense of George Pell throughout this entire thing for several years now, I guess.

And Andrew Bolt as well has been a staunch defender of George Pell. So both of them had very, very normal reactions to this news. So before we get into the reactions, I thought I would just toucest on, because I, look, I think being online you enjoy nothing more than being right, right? That's probably the most enjoyable thing, probably not just online but in life itself. So after the horrible news came through, well I guess it's good news for the victims but that conviction is the good news. This conviction came through I did some fun little trawling through old Twitter, twit Twitter accounts and that sort of thing. Let's have a little, hmm, little read.

Cruel vindictive hatchet job on Cardinal George Pell, sinister atmospherics not justified by dubious evidence. Now Cardinal Pell is condemned for not agreeing to TV cameras, trial by media. Tretch pedophilia is deadly serious, but justice not served by hysterical witch hunts cooked up because wrongly deceived as the boss. What else? So, responding to somebody, clearly that's an old-fashioned notion to some people, possibly the same people who have been demonizing George Pell. Some facts the Pell haters refuse

to accept behind the Royal Commission headlines. And from this, right, like the thing that strikes me is no real conviction. Right, it's not true conviction or concern for public safety or anything like that it is just cultural war right? Yeah and this is what it boils down to there's the the sides have kind of been being like you know they've been laid down and he's on this side right so we need to go to bat. And... I would throw out an observation about that, right? Which is, one of the things that are staunchest culture warriors like Andrew Bolt and Miranda Divine like to insist on,

is that, for example, when there are people who, like, I know that this technically isn't the case, but from their perspective, are ostensibly part of the cultural left, like Harvey Weinstein, right? Now obviously, to you and me, Harvey Weinstein is like a big-time capitalist piece of shit. He's not, he's not like even an artist or creative or whatever.

He is somebody who bank rolls movies to make a profit. He has then been shown over the course of his career to also be a hideously predatory and exploitative abuser, right? And like these people like to throw out the idea that like because this person had a career in what they think of as, you know, a liberal elite profession, a leftist cultural pursuit, like cinema, that that means... It's some sort of like, foul against the whole team or something like that. Yeah, yeah, that it's a condemnation of the left and also like all of the people who didn't do anything about it at the time.

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Like, I think that the generally expected wisdom about, like, the people in there are basically two kinds of people in that scenario. One was people who were complicit in helping him either commit or cover up those acts because they too sought power and money and those people are fucking scum and nobody is defending those people or saying that what they did was good. And the other half the people are victims of his abuse and people who stayed silent because they either, well. And the other half of the people are victims of his abuse and people who stayed silent because they either, well for all the normal reasons that people stay silent after being abused. And as soon as this stuff became public, the entire fucking world turned on Harvey Weinstein. There was nobody, nobody was out there defending Harvey Weinstein and saying, oh, but you know, I haven't

seen any video footage of it. But he produced Paddington too. Like, so. Like, and as we'll come to see in a second when you get into like Andrew Bolt's defenses of George Pell, he's literally getting down into the weeds of like, you know, I'm trying to picture this thing and finding it difficult so it kind of in true. You know, oh, but this supposedly took place in like a busy building. With people like Harvey Weinstein and, um, and what's this fucking name? Jeffrey Epstein

These are people who had like assistance AIDS they had people in their employee who they literally paid to help to help facilitate their abuse of other people there were people whose job it was to help them get somebody to come to their hotel room or to like recruit people and fly them to Jeffrey Epstein's fucking private island, you know. Like, so the idea that because this thing took place in a church and there's a possibility that somebody else could have seen makes it like very, very unlikely if not impossible.

The extent of denial that goes into the idea that not only is it possible that nobody else saw it happen, but it's also possible that somebody did walk in and happen and said, oh, sorry most senior Catholic in the fucking country and most of the world, I guess I'll show myself out. And yet. And yet. So let's read here from this news.com. the piece.

Andrew Bolt believes Cardinal Pell is an innocent man who has been wrongly convicted. Speaking on his Sky News show last night, the news called columnist said he had quote serious misgivings about Pell's guilty verdict. I just can't accept it based on what I consider is the overwhelming evidence of this trial said the man who did not participate in the trial and has not seen the evidence. Yeah. So they asked, um, I'm very sorry to the, to the journalist at the.... the the, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, the to, to, the to, to, the the the the the to, the the the, the, to, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, te, ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tttel, tel, ttel, tel, tttel.e. t journalist at the, at the Herald's son who initially broke a lot of this stuff. Louis Ma something. Yep, I'm getting all these details wrong so I apologize to her but they asked her, you know,

hey, for how many days was Andrew Bolt in the courtroom an opportunity, you know, which was available to him if he so chose and she said zero. Yep, because it was a fucking closed courtroom with a suppression order on it. There were eight journalists who were in there for the duration of the trial and saw all the evidence, none of them broke the duration of the trial and saw all the evidence. None of them broke the suppression order. Andrew Bolt was not one of them. He says, I base that opinion also on how many times Pell has been accused of crimes and since he clearly did not do.

So, you know what they say? Where there's smoke, where there's smoke, where there's smoke, where there's smoke, there's more smoke, there's a lot of smoke and you almost never find fire. That's right. That's mostly just smoke. Mostly smoke. Well, see the thing about that is that the smoke he does. The smoke kind of dampens the fire and sucks all the oxygen. Yeah. Why would they even be the the the there the there there there there even there even the there even there even there even there even there even there even the there even there even there even there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there's there's there's there's there's smoke. there's smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S there's there's there's there's there's there's there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there the th is the the the the thi the is the theateateatea. Soooooooooooooooooooo. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S smoke. S.ens the fire and sucks all the oxygen it would make sense to find fire in the same spot. Why would there even be a fire?

Pell could well be an innocent man who is being made to pay for the sins of his church and made to pay after an astonishing campaign of media vilification. Well you'd recognize one of those I suppose. Bolt who says he has met Pell about five times. of vilification. Well, you'd recognize one of those, I suppose. Bolt who says he has met Pell about five times, but is not a Catholic or Christian, raised 10 problems with the evidence that saw a jury unanimously find Pell guilty. One of these was the fact, now this is coming back around to something I was saying earlier. One of these was the fact that Pell's second abuse victim,

now dead after a heroin overdose, denied being abused by a priest when asked by his mother. Bolt said the other victim who gave evidence in court did not speak about the incident for many years. Oh my goodness, imagine if there were, say, any kind of established pattern of abuse victims. God damn. You know, maybe being filled with shame and fear of reprisal and not speaking, and also take, like literally taking years to process what has happened to them.

And the other one couldn't talk about it because he was dead from a heroin overdose after getting hooked on heroin at the age of 14 a year after this shit happened to him. So the idea, the idea that Bolt thinks this person who was raped at 13 didn't, by an incredibly powerful figure, who also had the power to revoke the scholarship that this kid was going to school through as part of the Catholic choir, he genuinely can't figure out why someone would not have talked to anyone about that for several years after the fact. And also, I think the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, the, uh, the f-this, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the figure, the figure, who the figure, who the, the, the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the figure, who the, who the, who the, who the, the, the, the, their figure, their, their figure, their figure, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, have talked to anyone about that for several years after the fact. And also I think the funny thing about this and like the entire kind of way that their world is sort of constructed is that it's sort of like they've reached the end result first right? That he's not guilty, right? Because he's, because he's a man that he's a man that I know the fact, because he's, he's, the the the the the the he's a the he's a he's a the th is's a th is's a th is's a th is a th is a th is a th is a th is a th is a th is a thi's a thi's a thi's a thi's a thi's a their thi's a thi's a thi thi their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi's a thi's a thi's a thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their their their their their their their the reached the end result first, right? That he's not guilty, right, because he's a man that I know and I like him and you know, I don't know.

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And there's no, there's no, like, stop along the way for introspection or to try and kind of understand. Oh, but maybe there is though. Maybe there is. Maybe there is. Sorry, I'm obviously wrong. You're getting ahead of yourself. Let me, let me just finish this by saying. He goes on to say, this attack allegedly happened in the Cathedral Sir Christi, which is normally a very busy room, where Pell would have known people were almost certain to walk in. Yeah, that's right, folks, nobody has ever been abused in a building with other people in it.

He added that Pell had no history of proven child abuse like other church pedophiles usually have. Well you know what they say, if you have never been convicted of a crime, you cannot have convicted of, you cannot have committed a crime ever. I cannot see any hole in this impenetrable logic. This is just what is absolutely blowing my mind about this stuff right and I said something about this like, I said something about this on Twitter right to the effect of do, do Andrew Bouldam Miranda Divine genuinely not understand that more than anything else, attempting to use this as a defense just makes you look really fucking stupid? Like, because as you said, the defense at this point is genuinely just extending to, but

he seems like a really nice man, so he couldn't have done something like that. Oh, he's a well-regarded figure, so he couldn't have done something like that. This is just the absolute most basic bitch shit of abuse psychology. Like, it's just the most ground level, fucking entry shit of, like, how many fucking serial killers and shit? And what's the stereotype about all of them? Is their neighbor saying, oh well he was just a quiet? They're well-liked functional,

functional people. Just a nice guy minded his own business, you know, people in the community like... Who happens to be smart enough to cover up his crimes? Yeah, pillar of the community, hey it's almost as if by keeping up some of facade of respectability, people are less likely to accuse you or suspect you of thi thi thi thi thi.. thi. thi. thi, the like, and like, and like, and like, and like, and like, and like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the to accuse you or suspect you of things. And like, you know, I think I was sort of saying like, it's just very weird to me because it's transparently stupid. And it means one of two things to me, which is either, you know, that they are so unable and unwilling to process the idea that, you know, one of their cultural heroes that they've spent so long defending has fallen, that they literally will

not accept, you know, a guilty verdict in a court of law. And the other is that, you know, they actually are kind of this dumb about it, that they're just like, oh, well, I'mthis guy and he's and he's been nice to me the whole time so I just flat out refused to accept. They're just doing a ride or die for George Pell you know. Yeah and there's a great like sunk cost in this as well. Yeah that's this whole thing, setting the entire thing up. The fun thing about this, as our as our beautiful boy Ben, who if you do see him in the street, give him a little kiss on the forehead and a little goose on the ass, but as our

beautiful boy Ben pointed out before this happened,that all outrage colonists get paid twice. This is true. Once to write the article and once to write the article about how oppressed they are. About the mob that jump them. The mob justice and wouldn't you know that is exactly what has occurred here. Ben has indeed predicted it, like the beautiful psychic that he is joined at the brainstem. Bigfoot has given him absolutely psychic and sexual powers. Very true. And Andrew Bolt went on to write another column claiming that he was being lynched for his views.

I do wonder if he actually knows that was being lynched for his views. I do wonder if he actually knows that that word has a meaning. He says in this piece, I knew defending Cardinal George Pell could get me lynched. I want to explain to the people now wanting my blood why I did it. It's all very serious getting paid ridiculous sums of money to write fucking idiocy in the paper. But first, something about this hatred for Pell. It is intense, lavish, unbridled, and at times shamefully self-indulgent. Some haters love hating. Doubted it, then see the ugly scenes outside Melbourne's County Court on Wednesday. As Pell attended hearings to determine his sentence,

certainly jailed, after being found guilty of sexually abusing two 13-year-old boys. The screaming was incredible. Monster, rotten hell, burn, criminal, filth. But I mean that's literally what hell is for, right? As far as this is concerned, like this is the thing I don't I don't understand it. It's like, hey you know this is concerned, like this is the thing I don't I don't understand that. It's like, hey, no, this is the these are the kind of people that you're supposed to, you know, you know, I would also point out that like as as journalistic institutions, the two tabloids that publish Andrew Bolt's columns and thereby claim that he is the most red columnist in Australia are the Herald Sun and the Daily Telegraph. They are both just flat-out trash, right? Yeah, yeah, they're garbage islands. And they are both absolutely the type of publications

that fucking love stories about sex criminals and pedophiles because those are people that they can unequivocally label monsters and scum, scum of the earth. Like they do a lot of shit that I think is very messed up in like I remember seeing things in the Daily Telegraph Much earlier in life where like There was a somebody was having a trial for being like a sex offender and Was acquitted and they printed a front page the next day. It was like monster walks free with a picture of the dude's fucking face and information about what neighborhood he lives in and just this shit where they're like flat-out

refusing to accept that someone could be acquitted of a sex crime and also implicitly encouraging mob violence. Yeah and I mean at this at this stage it's like it's completely legitimate to say that the Murdoch press wants worse things to happen to people that take pingers at music festivals than they do for convicted sex pests. Yeah, pretty much. So, to me, the idea here that Andrew Bolt thinks that, you know, people yelling monster and filth and criminal at literally a convicted sex offender is some sort of confected outrage.

Gee, I wonder, I wonder how people in the society that he lives in could have formed such an incredibly strong view about sex offenders. I wonder if it's anything to do with the columns that him and his paper have published for decades. And don't him wrong, I have my own concerns about that sort of stuff where like, I think that the whole impulse of media and individuals to label like sex offenders and abuses and stuff like that as like monsters and evil and all that kind of stuff. I think that that shit is misguided not because the crimes not because the crimes are

not heinous they really really are. I think that a lot of that is just like I think that it is just mental self-defense for people. I think it is just people distancing themselves from the fact that this shit happens in the society they live in with people that they thought were normal. And that is the reality that this stuff is part of the fabric of the society that you live in. If there is anything that like the Royal Commission in Australia into, you know the fabric of the society that you live in. If there is anything that like the the Royal Commission in Australia into you know the institutional the response to institutionalized abuse I think was the

was the title of that Royal Commission, if there's anything that that sort of shit shows it is just how much more widespread and normalized this type of abuse is than anybody really thinks. And so I think that when crimes like this are committed and people get convicted, and the media and individuals just turn around and say, this person's just a sick inhuman monster, it's the whole thing to me is just this attempt to just put yourself at a remove from it and say well this person's nothing like me, they're

nothing like me or my friends or anyone that I know they're this sick freak they're just this aberration, they're this you know total anomaly and they've been caught now and I don't have to think about it anymore. But the reality is that one of your friends maybe has abused somebody. Maybe someone that you know is like violent to their partner or whatever the fuck. I just think it is a way for people to turn their brains off from it. Yeah. Absolutely, and it stops you from also examining the context of the situation as well, right? Like in this case, where it's someone, how did... How did, how it happened, right?

And like, that obviously in this case it's somebody with great power over people and great power over the people that, you know, and it should be cause to examine those situations, right? And go, well, how did we end up in the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th..... th. th. th. th. th. the. the. teat, tea. th. th. the. the. theat, the. the. the., and go, well, how do we end up in this situation where people have this complete control over people, instead of, like you said, just kind of framing it as an aberration? And most importantly, in so many of these cases, a lot of this abuse in some form or another has been enabled by another party. That's the part to me that is like supremely fucked up about it. Like obviously the fact that any of this stuff has happened in the first place is plenty fucked up. But to me specifically the stuff around the church, you know, the other examples of like Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein

and people like that, these are all situations where there is literally a structure to facilitate this type of stuff. And people need to examine how that happens. How that happens and how we can stop it from happening. Anyway, Bolt goes on to say, but not of that's happening here. That is absolutely not happening here. Bolt goes on to say there were today's headlines, the there there there there there there there there there there there there there there is there is there there is there there there is there is there there there is there there there is there there is there is there there there is there is there there there is there is there is there is there's there is there there is there is there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there is there is there is there is there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thoooo-a thooooooo-a thoooo-a thoooo-a thoo' tho-a tho' tho tho to say, but none of that's happening here. That is absolutely not happening here. Bolt goes on to say, there were today's headlines, almost gloating. Hideous hypocrisy, Pell has reached the Nadea of disgrace, shouted the age, which I think

is, it's kind of just empirically true, isn't it? It's about as disgraced as you can be as a senior senior Catholic. And they were shouting it. Rah, they said almost, almost gloating. Bolt says, true, I'd be furious too if I truly thought Pell had done what a jury has now said. I would despise Pell. I would despise Pell as I despise pedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. Now don't mistake me, our legal system is fundamentally good and we must accept even the rare decisions we believe are wrong.

Now I'm really enjoying all of this as he's trying to tick all the boxes of like yes I think pedophilia and abuse from a position of power is bad. The legal system is good and I respect the rule of law. We should accept decisions we believe are wrong. So I would think twice very hard before disbelieving this verdict. I would and I did read transcripts of the trial. How the fuck did he get those? The only possible explanation for that that I've seen fielded is that George Pell's legal team gave him transcripts of the trial.

That is the only possibility there. I would above all try to imagine whether this sexual assault could have happened as described. For instance, I would ask, is it really possible that Pell slipped away from his own processional after mass, unseen by the priest meant to attend him everywhere, and forced himself on two choir boys he found in the normally busy Sir Christi, despite knowing the door was open and anyone could come in at any second? How the fuck would this guy who isn't Catholic, doesn't attend Catholic Church? How the fuck does he know what this particular room of a particular church that he's never

been in was like 20 fucking years ago? He's doing exactly what he says. He's just imagining a thing the way he would like to picture it. The fuck would he know about it? Nothing. what he says. He's just imagining a thing the way he would like to picture it. The fuck would he know about it? Nothing. Other than if he's had a chat to George Pell who said, oh no I didn't, the door was open. Who'd rape somebody with the door open? Like, again, this seems to be the extent, the extent of like the power of their imaginations to try and process this thing. Miranda Divine went on. It's, yeah, sorry, yeah. Miranda Divine went on to

say that in her own columns that the victims of accusations are implausible and Pell is innocent. Divine, this is from the Guardian, Catholic Divine, Catholic Divine, has always been a strong supporter of Pell. In 2017, she alleged that his charges were drummed up by Victoria Police as a distraction from a supposed crime epidemic of, you guessed it, African gangs. Victoria Police Chief Graham Ashton, desperate for a distraction from the crime epidemic he's incapable of stopping. Hashtaghntaghs, she wrote on Twitter. I didn't hear this one. I'm, I'm sorry. I'm. I'm that. I'm that. I'm that. I'm that. I'm that. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm this. I'm th. I'm this. I'm th. th. th. th. This. This. This. This. This. This. thi. thi. This, th. This, th. This, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this, this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. This. This is, this. This is, this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is a this is a this is a distraction from the crime epidemic he's incapable of stopping. HASHTAG hunting Catholics, she wrote on Twitter.

I'm squeezing so hard, I'm giving myself glaucoma. On Wednesday, Divine said the verdict was devastating and Pell was a big scalp for the quote rotten Vatican. It's devastating because I don't believe that Pell, who I know slightly and admire greatly, could be guilty of sexually assaulting two choir boys in a busy cathedral after Sunday Mass when he was Archbishop of Melbourne in 1996, Divine wrote in the Daily Telegraph despite not being there and not fucking knowing anything about it. And again, in the case of so many of these people, all that it is coming down to is just

saying, but I've met him and he seemed nice. But Cardinal George Pell is real and he's my friend. Yeah. That's fucking it. Well, we, and we, I mean, we got pretty much exactly that from John Howard. We did indeed of two former Prime Ministers. So, um, so two former Prime Minister character reference. So yes former Prime Minister John Howard is from the Sydney

Morning Herald. Former Prime Minister John Howard provided a glowing character reference for George Pell to the court after he was convicted of child sex abuse, praising him as a person of high intelligence and exemplary character. In the reference, seen by the Sydney Morning Herald in the Age, Mr. Howard said he was aware of the conviction and that Pell maintained his innocence and lodging appeal. Quote, none of these matters alter my opinion of the Cardinal, Mr. Howard wrote, noting he had known Pell for 30 years. Cardinal, Pell is a person of both high intelligence and exemplary character. Strength and sincerity have always been features of his personality.

I have always found him to be lacking hypocrisy and can't. In his chosen vocation, he has frequently displayed much courage and held to his values and beliefs irrespective of the prevailing wisdom of the time, even if the prevailing wisdom of the time is that rape is bad. Cardinal Pell is a lively conversationalist who maintains a deep and objective interest in contemporary social and political issues. It is my view that he has dedicated his life to his nation and his church. Again, all of these things are just, I enjoyed his company at a dinner party so he can't have abused someone.

Like, it's just, just staggering the denial in this stuff. Also former Prime Minister and onion-eating head case, Tony Abbott, who had previously described Pell as a fine man when charges were first laid, refused multiple times to say whether he would remain a friend and supporter of Pell if the conviction were upheld. I absolutely accept that this is a shocking result, a devastating result, but it is subject to appeal, he told 2GB radio. Asked by host Ben Fordham, I explained whom it was a devastating and shocking result for, Mr. Abbott said, certainly for the friends of Cardinal Pell, and as you say I am one, devastating

for all who believe in the Catholic Church, and I'm also one of those. Of the crimes, Pell was found who committed, Mr. Abbott said, it certainly doesn't sound consistent with the man I know. Now, the man I know. Now the commonality here between Howard and Abbott with this is that in both cases these people were asked for comment on this or for some kind of comment on the guy's behalf. And both of them had all these things to say about George Pell. In Tony Abbott's case he was talking about what a, what a terrible, terrible result this is for George Pell and his friends and the Catholic Church,

and neither of them could give the tiniest fuck about the victims of this stuff. No, there's absolutely nothing in that at all. Zero mention from any of these people about, like even just the tip of the hat to the idea that if the charges are true, then a horrible crime has been committed. And their heart goes out to the victims. You know? That's all you would have to do, but it doesn't even begin to rate the tiniest mention from these people.

Tony goes on to say, I would be the last person to say that anyone has always acted perfectly. I know if I look back on my own life, I've made mistakes. We all do. Fuck off. We've all made mistakes, like sexually assaulting minors, apparently. Asked several times if he would remain a friend of Pell if the conviction is upheld. Mr. Abbott said it was a hypothetical question and he would not entertain it. Let me uh... Look, we're going to round this out with hopefully something slightly more positive. So I saw a piece earlier today from a of the show, J.R. Hennessy.

And, we seem to be going through a lot of J.R's work lately. Good old. Keep up the good work. Yeah, Jacob. Yeah, Jacob. Yeah. Yeah. the one of those mysteries. Is it his first name? We're not going to find out for like 10 seasons?

No, it's James, come on. Yeah, it's true. So, um, so a story ran in pedestrian yesterday, in which they explained that a Flavor Flave. We are of course talking about, um, um, in, um, in, in, um, in, in. In, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their they explained that Flavor Flave, we are of course talking about legendary hype man for public enemy, Flavor Flavve, had done a message, a video message for someone on that service, Cameo, are you familiar with cameo, Theo? I did read up on it. I wasn't until this afternoon. It seems like celebrities already have enough money. So they take money, so people put requests for people to, for celebrities to give like shout-outs and that sort of thing. And it costs like 20 bucks. I'm assuming it varies wildly depending on the celebrity. But you get something like the David Hader thing we saw this last week of him doing the tweet.

Now that wasn't from from this service but that sort of thing where the guy that does solid snakes voice. Quoted the dummy thick tweet, very good, look it up. But yes, they give shout-outs and that's the thing. You get them to say, oh, happy birthday for your thing, and then they take you $50. So somebody had got Flavor Flav to record a message for Cardinal George Pell. An article had been run about this in Pedestrian saying, oh dear, Flavor Flav appears to have been tricked into doing a message for George Pell.

Flav then found J.A. Hennesse's phone number and called him to say, what's going on? Why he's saying this about me. Flave wants you to know, he had no idea about this. He also wants you to know that Tristan, the guy who booked the shout-out using the cameo app is, quote, a dirty fucking rat. Through a somewhat circuit a series of events following our publication of the story, Flave obtained my mobile number and gave me a buzz in to clarify both his Australian, for both his Australian fans

and also the world at large, exactly what had gone down here. An odd call to receive? Yes, but the pursuit of truth often leads you down winding paths. I've been doing shoutouts on this app called Cameo, Flave said, everyone that books me, I just do the shout-outs. They tell me what to say. So I did the shout-out for this George Pell guy. I didn't know who the fuck George Pell is. I don't know what the fuck he'd done. I made a mistake by doing that shout out. He received a lot of feedback and then his management called him and said, Flave, what the fuck are you doing? So I think to round out the show, I would like to play us out with that video message,

recorded public enemies hype man Flavor Flavav for disgraced, convicted sex offender, Archbishop George Pell. Theo, do you have any thoughts on any of this before we get the fuck out of here other than fingers crossed that the appeal is thrown out? I'm so tired. I'm tired of these people. It's like, I'll tell you what, it's at the very least kind of interesting in the sense that it is just scandal going higher and higher and higher in the Catholic Church. Like, not that I think anything of any

significance will happen, I don't know. I think the Pope has refused to even kind of acknowledge it. So that's cool. Good work. I mean we can keep trying and people can keep saying this is a witch hunt and we're all horrible hysterical lefties for doing for you know sticking up for this sort of stuff so. Well on the bright side it does seem like people are abandoning the Catholic Church in droves so that's cool. Well look and certainly I honestly think this has been bad PR all around for the people that have barnacled onto this, you know, that we've kind of gone through tonight. Honestly, I can't see many people standing behind them on this. I think there's been a line for a lot of folks.

I think, and I think to sort of extrapolate from that a little bit as well, I think that it has been, I guess, another interesting episode in the absolute implosion of Australia's conservative right. They're just cannibalizing themselves at this point and at every turn I mean it really does look like the government the government is just in like rolling scandal mode it's like multiple scandals a week you genuinely cannot keep up with what's happening. Yeah and I mean you don't have 't have to have any of these, right? They're all just own goals. One after another.

I would go further and say not only are they own goals, a lot of them seem like they are very... A lot of them seem like they are very consciously engineered bits of graft in order to line themselves up with some cushy gig when they are, you know, if they are potentially booted from government very soon, which seems like it's probably going to happen. The facts that they all keep getting caught doing this stuff like all the Tim Wilson stuff, all of the Paladin contract stuff, all these sorts of things where seemingly that they're just getting caught red-handed just doling out money to people and they're not doing anything about it.

And I think that's really sort of showing to the public the realities of where their interests lie. And I think that this George Pell thing is just kind of another layer of shitty crust on that awful cake, which is, you know, again seeing that the people who are the representatives of the ideology and the party that is supposed to be all about, you know, law and order and tradition and respect for all these institutions is absolutely willing to toss all of that shit out if it's for one of their mates. Yeah, and then you, and then I, you have to go,

well, how much of this is just pure artifice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. How much of this is just pure constructed, you know, ideology and having absolutely nothing to do with law and all. Yeah, and it shows, I mean, you know, it's like, like people have said, can you imagine Andrew Bolt or Miranda Divine coming to the defense of any like aboriginal or Sudanese person who'd been convicted of fucking anything. Yeah or like probably a more accurate parallel that I saw is like for an imam, right? Like no way in their tel. Yeah and and like I said at the end of the day it just shows that at their core they're just fucking hollow. They have they don't have any genuine ideology they're sticking to it is just, it is just th-the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their core they're just fucking hollow That they have they don't have any genuine ideology that they're sticking to it is just

These are my powerful and elite friends and I'm sticking with them and we can all get rich together and that's about it So um, thanks to join us folks as always If you would like to support the show if you like what we're're doing, and you would like some extra content and episodes and all that sort of stuff, please go to Patreon.com forward slash Buntavista. And you can get yourself extra episodes, access to the Discord, all that kind of stuff. We had a very interesting episode the other week where we did it live with the Discord and the most horrible people on earth sent us the most horrible questions on earth and then we responded to them and it was a lot of fun.

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Rock up from the bottom to the TOP. Yes, some stand in the night and fell. Because this message goes out to George Pell. That's right, booked by Tristan. You know what I'm saying, for real. Hey, George Pell, yo, I just got to say, happy retirement, my man. You know what I'm saying, for real. And not only that, but you know what I'm saying, And all of the boys on the choir respected you, you know

what I'm saying, and collected you, you know what I'm saying? And it's like that. Tint for the pat, butter for the fat, killed the dog, your number slave, the cat. It's like that, Joe. Can you handle it's on? A flavoring number one. Hey, yo, George, pal. Hey, yo, once again, happy retirement.