Boonta Vista - EPISODE 89: Dodo On The Loose

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

The whole crew pulls on those big cow-inseminating gloves and digs through the news for stories about Tony Abbott's impending unemployment, drunkenly lying to the cops about your husband being murdered, dogs packing heat, cockroach relationship therapy and our listeners' take on PETA. *** Support our show and get exclusive bonus episodes by subscribing on Patreon: www.patreon.com/BoontaVista *** Merchandise available at: boontavista.com/merchandise *** Twitter: twitter.com/boontavista iTunes: tinyurl.com/y8d5aenm Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/s?fid=144888&refid=stpr Pocket Casts: pca.st/SPZB RSS: tinyurl.com/kq84ddb

Welcome to Bluntivista episode 89. I'm Andrew. I'm here with Ben. Hello, Ben. Hey. Hello. Hi. I feel like we've not seen and heard from you for a while in here. Neither hide nor hair. I feel like I missed one episode to my mind. It's certainly been more than one, I think. Well I mean I'm never on the bonus episodes because

the night's boy, but yeah, it's lovely to be here. Lovely to have you. We also have Lucy. Hi Lucy. Hi, I'm also here. Did you miss me too? Yeah. Well, you could miss you. I think I was gone. In and out. In and out. The poor people have had to have a couple of weeks of just me, just a week or so, just me and Theo. A beautiful boy Theo. Hello. Hello. So glad to be in amongst it. Just, just wrist deep in it, you know. Getting amongst it. I'm wearing one of those big cow-enseminating gloves. Why? Oh, because I'm getting wrist deep in it. Oh, I see. Those things are great visual comedy, those gloves. Classic. As soon as someone's got one on, you know what's going on.

You know what's up. I'm hearing, I'm hearing reports that Lucy might just vanish at some point during this episode. She's going to... It'll be very late into the episode. It'll be late with the episode. It'll be like when you do what I think is the perfect approach to partying which is to just to just leave at some point yeah. Ghosting the party is the it's the professionals move. I've been trying to teach people here that you

can just do that. You don't have to like tell people why you're leaving. Yeah. You can just leave. Oh we, it's a life changer. It's a life-a-I've-I. the life-I. the the the the the th-I. th-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's life-I. It's life. It's life. It's a life. It's a life-I. It's life. It's life. It's life. It's life. It's their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a life. It's a life. It's a life. It's a life. It's a life. It's a life. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life-I. It's a life life life life life life life-a-a-I. It's a life life life life life life life life life life life-a. It's a life life life life. It's a life. It'sto someone about this recently and I think wife of the show, my wife Ellen, was saying yeah I didn't I didn't realize until I met Andrew that you can do that you can just go. Nobody cares. No one gives a fucking line with they. We went to a friend's wedding like just before we we moved away from Melbourne and like we'd we'd been like packing up the whole house and got little kids and shit and we were so tired and we went to this dear friend's wedding it was really lovely but it was like I'm gonna say 11 p.m. and we were like so done we're just so done. That's bedtime. That's any time.

We have to go. And Elno was like, but I'm gonna feel really bad when we're saying goodbye. And I was like, oh no, no, no, we won't be saying goodbye. We're just gonna, we're already out the front of this place. We're just gonna turn and walk off into the night. But why, what benefit do they get from like a procession of people coming up for them saying we're leaving your fun party now? Who needs it?

No, they don't care. They're only thinking about fucking. For the first time. For the first time. What do you reckon? their tie. their tip. Will it work?

It's more than one position? Probably not. It doesn't seem like you'd need one. So why a lifetime thing is unnecessary. Why change what works? What complicate things? Oh what is the one position Theo? It's the classic we know in love as reverse cowgirls. Got it. The wheelbarrow. The only position?the own position. My sister-in-law who is a doctor told me that people like literally go to emergency all the time with broken dicks from a reverse cowgirl. Yeah.

It's a danger. I like the joke of saying that reverse cowgirl is the one position because it's already a variant, you know? Oh yeah. Yeah. Classic. Oh, the old broken dick in the hospital. Well, we've all been there. Hmm. Yeah, probably, I mean. Well, on the last episode, Theo was talking a fair bit about the joys of the Australian medical system and you can just go and get your dick fixed over and over again. If you so choose, you can break it constantly. You can take a hammer, smack your own dick apart and no one at the hospital be like, hey did you do this yourself? Yeah, no one asks you that. They won't even ask. They won't care. They won't care at the hospital. It's not like an insurance process where you've got to go through and you can show and no, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their, you, you can, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you can't their, you can't, you can't their, you can't their, you can't their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th, their their their their their their their their th. You can't their their tha, their tha, you can't their tha, you can got to go through and you can show you, no I dropped my dick, I didn't slam it. You don't have to, I was done a warranty period. You don't have to walk

around for weeks with your with your dick in a little brace. Like one of those neck braces. Am I gonna have to send it away for weeks and wait for it to come back or should I just buy buy a new one? If you're lucky you'll get one of the places where they'll give you a shitty loner dick for the few weeks but they're generally tidy and they've been used far too much. No one likes the loner dick smell. No, no. I love the idea of having just like a neck brace on your dick. And there's an insurance, there's an insurance investigator following you around everywhere. To see if you take it off. Yeah, standing next to you with the urinal and like checking to see if you still got an arm.

One of those dog cones, so you can scratch it. I'm picturing, you know, the arm braces you get where there's like a pole to hold the arm out upright. Yes, yes. I think that's what you want really. You go into the hospital and they do a splint for you, you know, they put like a paddle pop stick on both sides and bandage it up. Put a sling around your neck, holding your dick up. And you just got to walk around like that at work, you know. Got to scratch it with a little wooden skewer when it gets your cheeks. Yeah, it's down the side. Oh, and all on the smell when they

take that cast off. Oh, Jesus Christ. Molly pop stuck down there. Oh, welcome to Buntavista. About politics. Yeah, show about politics. The intricacies of the health care system. Oh my God. Speaking of politics, you gotta love it. You gotta love the politics, folks. Have there been some? Speaking of politics, you gotta love it. You gotta love it. We love to see some politics here in Australia.

So we're all about consistency too. So it was very good to see that the temporary Morrison government had said that they were going to ban the big right-wing Nazi adjacent dickhead Milo Eionopolis, professional troll, from coming into Australia to do the deplorables tour, I think it was. Is this still going, oh no that was originally, right? I thought the deplorables tour was, yeah that was, that was, that was, that was originally, right? So I thought the deplorables tour was, yeah, that was the last one, right? The one that he was doing in August of last year. Oh, that got cancelled because of his crazily well documented, uh, in fighting with the promoter of the tour. Well, then he was coming back, he got banned,

he got denied a visa on character grounds. But then a bunch of conservatives got mad, so the government said, oh, sorry, we'll let him in. Which is great stuff. Reading from, I think it's the Guardian here. The Morrison government has backed down on banning right-wing speaker Miloianopoulos from entering Australia amid a backlash from MPs and conservative media commentators. In a stark change of position from just four days ago, the government is now distancing itself from a department of home affairs letter which outlined a series of reasons why the controversial figure may not pass the

character test and should not be allowed into the country. The government has used the character test to ban others entering Australia in recent years including Wikileak's whistleblower Chelsea Manning, Gavin McInnes, the leader of the the the faither, the their the the their the the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the character the the the character the character the character the the character the the the the the character the c. their character their character their character their character the the c. their character their character their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their character their character their character character character character character their their their their their their their their the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c it? I think they were saying I can't. I spoke about this on their little trash future Q and on anonymous little battle. They taught me about this man. He's a wild man. Wild man. I would be, look, I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Then I got to get up and I got to like make my way down the row, stepping on all the toes of all the people there, little tinfoil hats. Anyway, the letter notes that the Migration Act allows the government to refuse a visa application in the event a person would quote inside discord in the Australian community or in a segment of that community. At sites of violent protest at Mr. Ianopoulos' last major speaking tour in Melbourne in 2017 where five police officers were injured, Mr. Ianopoulos has not paid the $50,000 bill handed to him for the cost of policing that event. They also listed a series of controversial

statements Mr. Ianopoulos has made about Muslims, Indigenous Australians, African-Americans, and and the the LGBT and the LGBT and the LGBT and the LGBT and the LGBT and their-and-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-e protest thi-e protesti-ynea-y of controversial statements Mr. Eonopoulos has made about Muslims, Indigenous Australians, African Americans, and the LGBTIQ community and included copies of 19 news articles or screenshots where he was accused of offensive behaviour including anti-Semitism. So it sounds like they've done their homework. Yeah, you'd think so. I mean, obviously, you know, we have discussed on this show before that, that like just weaponizing the visa process is a bad move all around? Like, webinizing the visa process for the cultural wars is... But in this case, I mean, he didn't pay his bill. Like, that's a fairly clear-cut visa denial, if he was billed for the police at the protest and didn't pay for it. I don't think as much the road, I, like, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. thi. tha. thi. tha. to. tha. the at the protest and didn't pay for it.

I don't know I mean I don't want to go down that road either because I have a bunch of unpaid road totals in the state of Ohio and I was very much like to go back to the US. Well I mean yeah if your if your whole thing if the whole purpose for being in the country is I'm going to do these tours, there's going to be protests and shit. It's guaranteed. It's going to cost taxpayer dollars to have police presence at everything that I do. And I don't pay the bills for any of that stuff, then you can kind of see them going on on that stuff. So senior members of the government were earlier this week satisfied with the decision to block Mr. Ianopoulos, but immigration minister David Coleman will now personally approve the visa.

Government source said Mr. Coleman strongly disagreed with many of Milo's views and statements, but it reached the view that someone should not be banned because people disagree with them and may protest in response. The initial push to reject the visa was met with a furious response from pro-free speech coalition MPs, one-nation leader Pauline Hansen, and some media commentators including Sky News host Andrew Bolt. Of course. Of course, this is a backdown, Bolt said Saturday.

There is a young generation of liberals in parliament who seem to have more ideological clarity than the older generation. People like Amanda Stoker, Tim Wilson. James Patterson and Andrew Hastie. Oh, just the pastiest, widest, mothfuckers on the planet. Almost libertarian, sons of bitches. These are people that have made their bones making speeches about free speech, and with this process David Coleman has made hypocrites of them all. Can I just say I love to make my bones? Oh love it. When you, when those bones of yours are made, oh it's nothing like it. There's no

feeling like it. How did you make your bones Theo? God I really regret having to say this but very carefully. Hmm. Hmm. How did you make your bones, Theo? Um, God, I really regret having to say this, but very carefully. Well, there's only, you know, one step down from that is grinding someone's bones to make your bread. Then you got something to eat. Hmm. So, um, great, great consistency here. From to eat. So great great consistency here. I love the consistency. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever who they approve and deny these character grounds visas. The fact that like with a back down everybody's happy. Everybody just loves a back down because

people that were like that had their way the first time go, oh no, that's reasonable. And then the people that have just gotten their way also go, yeah, no, that's the, that's also good. Everybody is just happy, I think, throughout the entire process. Yep. 100% of people stand back and say, we've made the right call all around. On reflection, yeah, on reflection. Yeah, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's Bolt says, this whole thing has just been so pathetic. Banning him wouldn't have stripped his right to speak from him, but the right wouldn't have just stripped his right to speak from him, but the right of 26 million Australians to decide who they listen to. Yeah, it's really fucking hard to find some Milo talking. Yeah.

Really hard if you're into like, McInnes or my or whatever to find like 60 hours a week of these motherfuckers talking. Or if you're watching literally any video on YouTube and then glance over at the recommendations. Yes, yes. If I watch a, if I watch like a video of suggestions for like fun things to make for my kids lunch boxes and then next to that is like suggested. Jordan Peterson destroys feminist bitches on Joe Rogan show. Hell yeah that's what I want to hear. Thanks, thanks YouTube. Just rounding it out. In June last year PayPal suspended

Eonopoulos after he used the online payment system to send $14.88 to a Jewish journalist. Seems normal and fine. It's free speech. Yes. He's just trolling. So if you say or do something horrible that provokes a bad response from someone, but you meant to do it just to provoke a bad response from someone but you meant to do it just to provoke a bad response from someone that's fine so it's all good. You know who was the original troll? Adolf Hitler. I was gonna say Satan. Ithe Good Weekend called Is Tony Abbott's Time Up?

I think it was already. They're not saying yes on one way or the other, they're more kind of asking the question. And it's a, it's a long read from the good weekend. They're not actually, they're not saying yes on one way to the question. And it's a long read from the Good Weekend and basically it's sort of a capsule of what seems to be going on around the country. So what's the name Karen Phelps? Is that the lady who won Malcolm Turnbull's seat? Dr. Karen Phelps? She didn't go to whatever kind of doctor school she did for however many years she did for some guy on a

podcast to just call her Karen Phelps. I think we can all agree. So yeah that that whole thing where you know it's a very very, what's the word? money-rich electorate full of people who have traditionally voted liberal for a long time, but they're also very dissatisfied with what's going on at the federal level. So somebody runs as an independent and they vote for them instead and then they basically just get to have like a moderate liberal anyway, but they also get to stick it to the liberal party. And that is what's also kind of happening in Tony Abbott's electorate. Because you might be

shocked here this. It turns out that everybody is fucking sick of Tony Abbott and just wants him to go away. Why is he still around? He's just hanging about. He's the guy that won't leave the party. It's great though watching him like just all of a sudden. the s a the the the th the thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thi thi thi thi thi thi thu thu thu thu thu thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. And it's thi. And it's thi. And thi. And it's thi. And th. And thi. And th. And thi. And th. And th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. And it's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeeeeeeeeeeat theeat theeeeeeat thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thithe guy that won't leave the party. It's great though watching him like just all of a sudden it's the first time in however long that hit that he's gone. Oh, I actually have to like, I actually have to present some type of reason for the public to vote for me here. And he's just been scrambling to find stuff and it's so good. Like he was at a, he was at a debate, like a debate, like a debate, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like a canit, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like a to to to to to the to to the the the to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to th.a, to to to to to th.a. to to to to to to to to the to find stuff and it's so good like he was at a he was at a debate like a candidates debate town hall thing against Zali Stegel who is the woman who's running against him as an independent and she's she's very much in the Karen Phelps mold she's just a, she's a former Olympian

from a very rich family who like grew up skiing in Switzerland and shit. And you look at any of the anything that she says and it's just, it's just, hey, climate change is real but also shouldn't we lower taxes for the rich? Cool. So let's not get excited about that. But yeah, there was a leader's debate and now all of a sudden, to' the. So let's not get excited about that. But yeah there was a leader's debate and now all of a sudden Tony Abbott's like oh we shouldn't pull out of

the Paris Accord. Now it's good. Now I'm in favor after he spent how many years saying we should follow Donald Trump. We should follow Donald Trump do the same thing. So this piece is funny. It's funny to me. And let me, well here go, here's a little excerpt from it that really sums up to you the kind of person who lives in his electorate and cares about getting him voted out. Mark Kelly owns and runs global surf industries, one of the world's largest surfboard distribution companies, but for the moment the Waringer-based businessman is devoting himself to selling t-shirts, shopping bags, stubby-holders, reusable coffee cups and lapel buttons,

emblazoned with the words, Vote Tony out. Demand for the products is Australia-wide, Kelly reports. There's a lot of anti-Toni-Abbet feeling in Victoria, that's for sure, and Western Australia, but yeah all over the place. Ex-pat Australians too are placing orders. I've sent stuff to London, Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Israel. So I love that like... This dude's like, oh, there's a real ground swell here. I could be selling some stuff and making a bit of money. Like, this whole thing is just, I made a bunch of merch, I made a bunch of merch and sold it to fund my already gigantic business. But there's a there's a great glimpse into Tony Abbott's psyche throughout this article. It would be easy to take this kind of thing personally, but Abbott's psyche throughout this article.

It would be easy to take this kind of thing personally, but Abbott seems in a jaunty mood when I join him on a drive through the electorate one Saturday afternoon. Jaunty. I think jorty mood. I cannot picture that man being jaunty at all. That's just what his rictus grin plastered to his face as... Jaunty little wink. He is a jaunty little lick of the lips. He is at the wheel of his Mercedes, a gold 1994 model with almost 250,000 kilometers on the clock

and a rack for his surfboard on the roof. I am in the front passenger seat. Between us, the crucifix on a set of rosary beads, dangles from the rear vision mirror. The left are certainly putting in a massive effort, says Abbott, who entered Parliament after winning a by-election the year his car rolled off the assembly line and has prevailed in eight federal elections since. At the last one in 2016, he comfortably survived a 9% swing against him in the primary vote. So that was, that was in 2016, which makes you think that if that trend continues, surely he's going to get

fucked up, right? I'd hope so. I'd say so. But this is just the kind of beginnings of him, not being able to attribute any move away from him in the vote to being like anything to do with him? It's just the left. It's this monolithic. It's always the left. It's this monolithic left that is weaponized against him, you know. But he's tried everything to reverse the trend. I mean, he's gone to his local surf club and he's sort of stood weirdly with his arms like hanging directly down and probably other things as well.

So he's tried everything. Well he's stood on train platforms and stood weirdly with his arms hanging down and he's also just hung out in the middle of the street with his arms hanging down weirdly. As he steers the merk. As he steers the merkeree, he's a truly worried, as he's the boundaries of one of Australia's original retail mega centers, Waringer Mall. He tells me he isn't unduly worried. I've been pretty encouraged to be honest, he says. Out on the streets the reaction I'm getting is the reaction I've always got, which is a reasonable welcome from just about everyone. That's the welcome you want. I feel like to totally like not being told to fuck off is like a warm welcome.

Yeah. I mentioned that the anti-abbit groups include disaffected liberal voters and he says firmly, they're not disaffected liberals. They're nearly all people who have never voted liberal in their lives. Oh. Okay. Well, that's that, I guess. So how does that work then? If there are people that have never voted liberal in their life and all of the people people that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th the people th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the people th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the people thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to toeea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. to thi. thi. thi does that work then if there's if there are people that have never voted liberal in their life and all of the people that were voting liberal continue to vote liberal is where is he saying that the votes are coming from is it that all of the old liberal voters are dying off and almost as

if like their entire ideology is based around raving pensioners or is there some other explanation? Well, but like like they just described last election nine percent swing against him but none of those people who stopped voting for him and started voting for someone else have ever voted liberal before like like it's just this this like pathological denial, this massive wall going up. Like they talked to a lot of people during this article and like multiple of them say that it was when he abstained from the vote on same-sex marriage that was like the last straw for them because

that was when there was the nationwide postal survey and Waringer had a 75% yes vote which is like one of the highest in the whole country and as as their representative he then went to parliament and when they were voting on the bill he just walked out of the room instead of voting. So democracy. That's democracy. That's democracy baby. Good old democracy. So yeah, a lot of people not unreasonably saw that and said, oh, this guy is actually not interested in representing my feelings at all. In the car with Abbott, it occurs to me that the hours he spends surfing and cycling pay dividends. He and the Mercedes may have both been around the block a few times, but Abbott is still in pretty

good shape. Dressed from head to toe in R.M. Williams, the conservative politicians' smart, casual label of choice. He's headed for Forestville Shopping Center, where he is scheduled to spend some time mingl-a In what world is R.M. Williams a smart, casual brand of choice? What is R.M. Williams? Is this just like... It's the cowboy gear? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, this is the... This is like the Acubera that you wear when you're out doing your photo op. Right.

Right. It's... The up market expensive cowboy stuff. Okay. This is the wealthy farmer gear. You wear it to a formal rodeo, not to the... I see. Certainly. It's just like, um, like chambre's shirts and like jeans and boots and shit that all cost like $400 each. Right, so just for politicians basically. It's their one market. But it's also an Australian brand, so you can be like, look at me.

Yeah, of course. Also every single Melbourne and Sydney young media man wears a pair of R. Williams boots to work. It's like a universal law for some reason. Right. Oh look, they're good quality boots. There's no denying that. Elna bought a pair of them however many years ago and they're exactly the same now. They're basically invincible. But they are very expensive as well. Anyway, Ir and Williams aside, it seems a good moment to raise one of the complaints I've heard about Tony that he shows little interest in listening to his constituents concerns.

Like the same-sex marriage thing. People requesting meetings with him can take up to 12 months to land an appointment, I have been thold thold thuuuuuuuuu. th th th th th th th th th. th. th. thu. thu. thu. th. th. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. tho. tho. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the th. the the the th. th. the th. they. th. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. they thi. they they the. the. theeeeeeeeeean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. they're they're they're they're they're requesting meetings with him can take up to 12 months to land an appointment I have been told Not true. He says look anyone who wants to see me can get an appointment They may not get repeated appointments once it's clear what they're on about and I've said my piece There was a group that wanted to talk about conditions on Nauru and Manus for instance. That's probably who you're talking about. No. My information comes from Voices of Waringa, a community network that has hosted a series of small meetings in people's homes, kitchen table conversations, with the aim of giving those living in the electorate the opportunity to identify the issues that matter to them and to air their grievances. I understand the comments about Abbott's inaccessibility were made by ordinary citizens.

I'd like to have their names their names names names names names names their names names to have their names to have their names names to have their names, he says. What a list. Not threatening at all, that's fine. He says unfurling his Nixon-style enemies list. I'd like to have their names, he says. I think you can be very confident that the people in question were activists posing as ordinary citizens. So if you are a person who votes not for Tony Abbott then you can't possibly be someone who did vote for the liberals but now just doesn't want to vote for him. But you're also an activist at the same time. Not a normal citizen because you can't be a normal citizen and a leftist. You have to be posing as a normal citizen. Yes you also can't be a normal citizen and not vote for him.

Like there just seems to be this dichotomy in his brain of liberal voters, normal people, real people. And then left voters harvested from a pod. Yes. Yes. Yes. Plasting clothes in an alleyway. Yeah, people are being paid by get up. That's right. To do that shit. That filthy Soros money. Good reference. That guy. Well, he went to his David Ike conference and now he's all caught up. Where it's really coming from. And just to round it out. Last month, both he and Zali Stegel hit the water for the annual coal classic ocean swim at Manly.

Afterwards, Abbott made a statement to camera. Chest hair glistening, participation metal around his neck. He stood in front of a portaloo and spoke earnestly of the build-up to this election, he said in a video clip posted on Twitter where he has 673,000 followers. Three days later, when Meringa residents were polled by ReachTel and asked which issue was paramount to them in deciding who would get their vote, almost a third nominated climate change in the environment. The next biggest group, 23%, nominated economic management. Few of than 10 people nominated the tunnel, no one mentioned the Manly Beach toilets. And the tunnel that they're talking about is he wants a

tunnel put in to deal with traffic congestion in this suburb and he's made that like, you know, this big plank of his re-election campaign, except all these people are like, yeah, but that's a thing that state governments deal deal thue that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the and the and the and the and the and the and the and the and the and the and thean, the and the and the and their their the and the the the the the the the, the the, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the an thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, but that's a thing that state governments deal with and you're a federal MP. And his answer to that was, yeah, but you don't want to elect someone who's going to go in and sabotage it at the federal level, which might happen if you voted for a labor person. So like his whole thing is re-elect me for this thing that I can't influence. But why stop it? Strong platform? re-elect me for this thing that I can't influence. But the strong platform. Just great stuff from Tony.

But yes, it's always interesting to get a little insight into somebody who has been like stewing in ideological warfare and student politics for like 40 years. And see that basically his brain is entirely roasted and there is no world in which you can disagree with him without immediately becoming, I guess, an enemy of the people. Just a non-person, really. If you have slightly, like, strongly held beliefs that don't align with his belief, you're suddenly an agent provocateur of some outside force and not a member of the

country, which is good to know. Well yeah, it's just basically, basically sort of stating at a fundamental level that if you disagree with him, then you are automatically acting in bad faith. That there are no like genuine grounds on which anyone could disagree with him about anything. This is how I feel about movies and music. Oh, that if somebody disagrees with you then they are obviously activists. You haven't listened to it correctly. You've come in with the wrong mindset. I can tell by the fact that your opinion's different to mine that it's wrong. That's fair. Hey guys, while we're talking about the news, here's a little story I saw in the news.

It's a beautiful thing. Just reading some local, reading some local Berlin news as I do. This, this story was very funny to me. German police say officers called to investigate a murder arrived to find that the woman who had reported it just wanted someone to remove a car blocking her garage. That's such a good move. It's so good. The woman who wasn't named rang emergency dispatches early Thursday and claimed that her

husband had been killed, sending police and first responders rushing to the scene in the Bavarian town of Berksagarten, possibly. Sure. German news agency DPA quoted a spokesman for southern upper Bavaria police, Stephen Sontag, saying, the woman thought if she calls in a murder, the police will get there faster. Apparently she was right, I'm just going to say. Smart. I think it's a powerful energy in this one. Yeah, there's certainly not a crime.

We're just going briefly back to Southern Upper Bavaria. That's just strongly reminds me of the show, my friend Dave, referring to living in Mackay as being in South North Queensland, South, far North Queensland, sorry. Well, he's right. Hmm, don't know about that. Yeah, southern upper Bavaria sounds suspiciously like the middle of Bavaria. Yes. He lives in Bavaria. Central Bavaria, yeah.

And just to round it out, the woman who was visibly drunk, attempted to get into her car before officers took away her keys. Oh. Drink driving? Not funny. Who was visibly drunk? One of the funniest combinations of words in the world. Visibly drunk. And it's, and it's like a Thursday morning. This woman is having a

great day. Wow. Just shit-faced Thursday I am. You're trying to get down the shops. Buy yourself like a... Just trying to drunk drive down to the shops. Oh you just want to go down there and get a sausage roll and a Lucasade you know? And uh and you open the garage what do you see there? Some car. You think to yourself, hey, hey, hey. Hey, look, I could call a tow truck. I could call the police and just report what's happened. Wait, I've got an idea.

Genius. You can tell them that my husband has been murdered. That's a very specific person to choose to. Not like I found a dead body but like my husband has been murdered. Well it strongly implies that you have found your dead husband in your house doesn't it? Yeah. I wonder if they get there and the husband's just asleep. She probably doesn't have one. She doesn't sound like a woman with the husband? She sounds like a loose unit. She does sound like a woman with the husband. She sounds like a loose unit. She does sound like a loose unit. Sounds entirely loose.

Anyway, crime pass for this week. If somebody does block you in. Not drink driving. Not drink driving, but if somebody does block your car in, just find the police and say there has been a murder and they need to bring a tow drug. You know, I'm going to broaden that and say the crime passes, you could waste police the police the police thuice thu police thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu. that that that that there has been a murder and they need to bring a tow drug. You know I'm gonna broaden that and say the crime passes, you could waste police resources in any fashion that you like. Indefinitely. That's a permanent crime pass. Hmm. I really need to get around to like putting like a principal crime pass on the website. Well, that's not a bad idea, a little PDF you can... None of them will make sense in retrospect. You be like what is this?

What is this? What is this talking about? No, no, no, I'm saying it would be like a blank one that you fill in yourself. Oh, that seems dangerous. It would be like, it would be like, it would be like, you know when you can get ordained as a ministering to to to to to to to the minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister minister to to to to to to to the minister their to their their their to their their to be, to be, to be, their their their to be, their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, what, what, what, what, what, to be like, to be like, th. What, th. What, th. What, th. What, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. thi, th. th. thi. their, thi. thi. thi, what is, what is thi, what is just... You have to answer like three questions to get that ministry. I just don't know whether I just regular Joe Fuckwitt on the street to grant himself immunity to crime prosecution. I think that people like us who are scholars of the law should be the ones invalidating it at will. I think that's fair. But you know, there should be conditions on it. Like you can only fill in the blank with a crime pass from the show. Otherwise it's invalidated and also it is not valid in the court of law. And please don't present it to a police officer.

I, uh, way. It'd be pretty funny. What's with this not valid in a court of law business? That's the whole point of the cry pass, that this is a very valid legal proclamation that we're making. Well, I think we're just kind of hopeful that a cop will see it and go, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm dead certain that this is a all above board, and this will work out perfectly fine. If we've said this week that murder is legal for you for a seven-day period, that's legally binding as far as I'm aware.

Hmm. Who'd like a little trip to Nature Corner? Oh that'd be a treat. Yeah, sure. A little bit of nature corner? Well I've got some, I've got some nature corner. What have you got? Um, I've, well, does anybody have any real life nature that they need to talk about? Anybody had any... I saw a bird yesterday. Well, a kind of bird. Are you looking in the mirror?

Oh, oh. Saw a bird in it. Was it a particularly notable type of that? It was a green bird. It looked like a parrot. It's very exciting. There's not many native wildlife in Hawaii. It's very exciting, okay? What? Is it really? Because Hawaii is not a very old island. It emerged from the sea. I didn't know all this. So there's not like it hasn't had time to develop its own unique wildlife.

Huh. It's wild. Everything's like introduced. It's crazy shit I didn't know about. There you go. Don't quote me on that. That's the science is probably not sound the way that I described it. 100%% th. You th, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu I, th, thu thus, tho, thus, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's thi's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii's thiii. thi's thi. It's th you got a science pass on this one don't work. I have a small nature corner contribution. I was very... I don't know if anybody can hear all the fucking cockatoo's screeching outside my house if

the mic is. I got a whip a snipper outside my house so it's helpful. That's nature. Go on. I was very high in my house last night and I was like at the point where my house was making all sorts of weird noises because possums run across the roof and shit and I'm always just like no no she's being paranoid because we'd nothing weird is happening in your house and then at one point there was a cat in my house and I just saw something move in the corner of the room I was like uh oh you ate too many brownies and then I realized it was a live fully grown cat wandering around I have no idea who's it is or where it came from.

It was terrifying. It's just in the lounge room, huh? Yeah, just chilling out, sniffing around my stuff and then I got up to be like, hey, what's up, man? And then it left. Just a wonderful addition to my evening. And I believe, Andrew, we covered on the bonus, me getting bitten twice by a spider. Yes. And acting very bravely in the process.

Oh, falling down and skimming your knee, yes. Just ripping up my knee while screaming, ah, ah, ah, I'm very attractive to my wife. Well, an update from my household, the cat, cat of the show, Cuscus, has now been on the show. Are you saying the cat of the show? Because I don't know if Nome's going to like that. Nome is definitely the people's champion. Get in touch. Who do you think the cat of the show is?

Yeah. Oh, this is a chance to use our new email address. Please write into the show at, hey you guys at Punta Vista. tho and let us know. Does that like divert to all of us? No. No. No. No. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to to to. to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. I. I. tho. tho. today. today. today. today. today. today. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. I. Does that like divert to all of us? No. Okay. Hey you guys. Hey you guys at Pointe Vices.com and then send us something in which you say, hey you guys, this thing. Tell us the thing. Tell us who is the cat of the show. One of the cats of the show, of course, course. She has been on a special diet for a while now to deal with her suspected cat IBS.

Oh, God bless. Well, look, you know, apparently someone around here has got to have IBS. And so, and she, it seems to be working. She seems to be vomiting on the furniture less and doing far less, just lethal farts. Just, nightmarish farts. Living in a cat to have disgusting farts. Oh, god damn. It's like, oof. Just indescribable stuff and it's always like, which she just comes up and hops in your lap and then squeaks one out.

Terrible. When I used to live in a sharehouse, my cat hopped up on my roommate's desk and then proceeded to fart out what was the color and consistency... excuse me, of about a shot glass worth of Coca-Cola. Oh! That's not a fart. No, thank you. That's not a fart. All right, anyway, Nature Corner News folks, here we go. I've heard of Dog Bites Man, but Dog Shoots Man? I've heard of that too. I've not heard of that. This is a more news from Berlin. I've got a lot of

Berlin news for you today, everybody. A German court has ruled that a dog owner isn't fit to carry a firearms license after his dog shot him with a rifle. Uh-huh. Go on. Wait, wait, why is he not fit to have the license? He didn't do anything. Yeah, sounds like his dogs, the one who shouldn't be holding. His dogs Dick Cheney in him over here. And he's the one he gets in trouble. This is just like the time, former vice president Dick Cheney shot his friend. Uh, during a hunting trip. And then the guy apologized to Dick Cheney. Hmm. It's exactly like that.

So sorry if you're getting in the way's appeal against an earlier decision by Bavarian authorities. It doesn't say whether it's like upper or southern upper Bavaria or whether it's like southern or lower southern Bavaria. Yep. Yep. By Bavarian authorities to withdraw his license to earn a rifle as well as his hunting permit. The decision followed a 2016 incident in which the man, a passionate hunter, was shot in the arm after his dog managed to release the trigger on a loaded rifle that was lying in his car. The court ruled that the hunter couldn't be relied upon, quote, because it must be assumed that he will handle firearms and ammunition carelessly in the future as well.

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Far western Bavaria. Not in the Valentine's Day spirit. A Texas Zoo has a cockroach that can help. The El Paso Zoo is running a promotion called Quit Bugging Me that allows people to name cockroaches after ex-spouses, former friends or anyone else on their shit list. On Thursday, the cockroaches will be fed to various zoo animals. Oh god of damn. Beautiful. That's that's some that's some bitter shit right there isn't it? Mm-hmm. That's some I'm not over you shit. Yes, very much. That's some I've got to work out my issues.

In a very physical way to do it. I better pay for somebody to put your fucking name on a cockroach. The zoo's Facebook page features dozens of pink heart graphics, showing black cockroaches and various first names or initials of people's exes. Zoo officials say the response has been so overwhelming that they've had to cut off the submission period. Oh well all my exes do live in Texas. Oh boy. Where as a result do you hang your hat though? Hmm. Tennessee usually. That reminded me of some nature corner. The dodo escaped from the zoo here, and they haven't found it.

They have a... The what? An African dodo, escaped the African dodo, like this little, little birds. Not the extinct dodo. Wait, there's... I don't know, we had a living species of dodo. I'm not really sure it's called the African Dodo. Let me, let me google it real quick. Just to make sure. It doesn't seem like there's a living Dodo.

There's, it's called something else then. I'm certain it's called this. Either way... Did you see a fat chicken, Lucy? There's an animal that escaped from the zoo and it's just out there and I we were at the zoo and there's a sign that says if you see this bird, do not approach it, call 911. Is this the endangered African ground horn bill? That's the one. It's the same bird. It's mostly the same bird. Oh, I'm hearing a terodactyl got out of the Hawaiian Zoo.

Do not approach him. Do not approach him. Call 911. He's tiny. He must be vicious. I really want to find him. There's a reward. He does look quite small, but that beak looks fucking mean. He could go you, I reckon. I believe he just escaped. The do-do, it's out there. Did you... This was like ages ago, I might have spooked him out on the podcast before because I love it so much, but the fucking, the giant like condor that they have at Taronga Zoo just took off at one point. They were doing like their display where, you know, they stand in the courtyard courtyard, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like the the the the the the the the their the their their their the zoo keep their their the zoo keep they were doing like the display where you know

they stand in the courtyard near its cage and the zookeeper has him on his arm and they talk about and he just flew off he ended up coming back or they found him or something but they were just like well shit fuck what do we do now? Huh? I've been going to the zoo a lot lately. We've got a family pass to the zoo. Nice, that's some real family shit. You're showing the kids one animal each time and then going home? Just make sure you really get your money's work.

Oh look, it's good. It was a gift from the in-laws to one of our kids was a zoo membership. I think the lady of the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the zoo the the zoo the membership. I think the lady of the zoo was like, if you come like three times with a family it's paid for it. Oh yeah. Which I think we've already done. But it's good because it's not very far away from my house and it means you got little kids you got to carry him around half the fucking time and they don't appreciate anything they don't even know what the animals are it's pointless right they they don't understand which of them I would shoot if given the chance or I had enough

money to pay to be able to go and do it they don't there was one of the cages I should say. It is animal prisons. It's a cage. Yeah, that's terrible. Like they're enclosed in a cage. Yeah, there's bars. There's very clearly bars.

If they, if the lions could hold like a tin cup, they would absolutely be raking it back and forth across the bars. But, yeah, one of them was like the snow leopard one and it was just empty with all these signs up saying, veil snow leopard's name. The snow leopard has died of old age and boredom. And then you've got to tell you kids about the dead snow leopard. Teach them about snow leopard mortality whether there is a snow leopard heaven. They're going to be worrying that their snow leopard's going to die.

Oh dear. Hey, so on the last bonus episode, Theo and I were talking about Peter. Peter, the ethical treatment of animal folks. I believe it's pronounced Peta. Peta. We were talking about their social media antics, including seemingly gloating over the death of National Treasurer, Steve Irwin, and then getting ratioed into oblivion. Theo was saying that the post that they made had 80-something-thousand replies. Wow. That's a

right up there. It's right up there. We were sort of talking about how Peter generally just seemed. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi the the thi thi thi thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-o-o-in-o-a-oomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomom their-like-oomomomomomomomomomic-oom. their-oom. their their their their their their their thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-in th. I th. I th. I thi-in thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-todeeat-tha-a-thaea-thaea-ea-ea-thaea-thaea-ea-s. thooer-s. thoer-s. I thi there. We were sort of talking about how Peter generally just seem shit. Like, it seems like these days most people are just fine with someone being vegan. It's not a thing anymore. Like, it's, I think the main point that we were making was, it's so much less cool to say, oh, I want to wrap my steak and bacon because it's freaking epic, than it is to be like, oh yeah, I'm vegan for whatever reason. So we did ask for any vegan listeners of the show to write in with their take on Peter,

because as non-vegans, we just wanted to check that we weren't entirely showing our asses on that one. And we did get several letters from people. So I might rattle off a few of them now. Howdy Buntavistas and Vistets. I think that's you, Lizzie. It's me. I'm the Vist.

A bird, in it? It just means a smaller version of, right? So I think they might actually be talking about Theo. Oh. As a friend of the show and also a vegan, I thought I should write in to Wayne on Peter. Patar. First, my vegan credentials. I've been a vegan for, I'm imagining and like doing the Fox Mulder ID badge, showing those vegan credentials.

I've been vegan for nine years and vegetarian for 11 before that. When I was a teenage aspiring edge lord, I thought their shock tactics were sigh, clever, putting lie to a lot of the advertising images we are subjected to. I grew up in the punk scene in the early to mid-90s and animal rights were central to my identity. It seemed like a bad idea to criticize thecececececececececece the the their their their their their their their thine their their thine thine thine their the the to criticize those that were ostensibly on our side. That being said, I'm older now and being vegan is more mainstream. It'd be easy to quibble over the term vegan versus plant-based to denote an anti-capitalist stance versus McMinefulness of self-care incorporated, but I won't go into that any further.

These days I find their tactics counterproductive. I volunteer at animal shelters and farm sanctuaries and worry that Peter's visibility does harm to those groups and their work. Contra, the old stereotype, I will usually only bring up being a vegan if it is relevant to an activity, like going out to a restaurant with friends or eating at somebody's house. Also if it is my birthday or a gift-giving holiday and I don't want to receive anything leather or animal product based. Even then if someone screws up, it to their to th, to, their, their, their, their, th, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, then, if someone screws up, it does happen. I don't make a big deal about it, either return later or give it to someone else that could use it. All while trying, not to hurt the gift givers feelings. In short, I try not to be a performative arsoll about it. There's no doubt that there's lots of horrors in the factory farming industry, but I personally feel that's a sensitive, bleeding-hardt type. That. That. That. That. That. That. That. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. their, their, their, th. th. th. their, their, their, th. th. thi. thi. their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, t. toy. toy. toy. toy. try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, those realities rather than gives them space to process what they're seeing and let it affect them. I also don't think I'm alone in the vegan community in that opinion, though obviously only speak for myself here.

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And just close themselves off any further to discussion about it, I think. Hello, vegan writing in as requested to say that Peter fucking sucks. They are, in my opinion, a perfect example of trying to combat exploitative practices without the application of an anti-capitalist lens. Instead of trying to create an environment in which as many people as possible are encouraged to become vegans as a way to combat the exploitation of animals, Peter are now instead more interested in gatekeeping their vegan social status, i.e. maintaining their social capital, with more and more bizarre vegan rules as they see themselves of the true arbiters of the vegan fandom. That's my theory anyway, your loving friend Eden. Thank you, Eden.

It's true. We have a, we have one all the way from Canada here. Hey, hey, my partner and I have both been vegan for several years almost entirely because we think eating animals is a bit cruel slash unnecessary, but the environmental aspect is a big bonus too. I say very little to none of it is health related for either of us because we're constantly seeing it marketed as a way to lose weight and be healthier in a lot of ways that are basically thinly veiled calls to severe restriction slash disordered eating. I think organizations like Peter use that as an easy way to get people on board with veganism. Anyway, bottom line is Peter sucks AS. I can't think of a single thing they do that I'm comfortable with but I'll try to keep it relatively short. Their confrontational approach seems to just create hostility to veganism at large and really fails to get any kind of point across beyond shock value.

Another problem is they seem to target non-white communities and practices disproportionately. Here in Canada, they and a large number of vegans outside of Peter 2 unfortunately go after indigenous practices especially in our far north, where indigenous people have lived on hunting marine mammals for thousands of years and using every part of each animal for food and clothing, etc. We have a huge problem with access to food in the north and fresh produce is prohibitively expensive if available at all to the often very poor people living there, so hunting, so hunting continues out of necessity and tradition. But white vegans to get to get extra upset about this kind of hunting, which in my opinion is a much more ethical thing than any kind of livestock farming could ever be.

Their conversation is always all or nothing. If you're going to eat one chicken wing, you may as well run a dog fighting ring. And also in the past, and as far as I know, Peter still find kill shelters that put down unwanted pets. Anyway, sorry, sorry to to to to to to to to to to to to to the they-a, their their their their their, thiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, thi, the, the. the. I, the. I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, thin, thin, thin, the, thin, thean, tean, tean, tean, thin, thean, thean.ean.ean, thin, the. And, the. And, that put down unwanted pets. Anyway, sorry to ramble, but Peter and mainstream white veganism as a whole tend to be at best regressive and exclusive and at worst explicitly racist, able-asclasist, you name. I think a majority of vegans would probably agree with what I've said, but unfortunately, it's the worst ones who are consistently the loudest. Your friend of the show, Ashton.

Thanks Ashton. Thanks Ashton. That's it. That pretty much sums up Peter. It's like a whole white veganism. It's an everyone can afford to be vegan attitude. It really sounds like they've just hoisted themselves by their own petar. Good grief. Say it again. They've hoisted themselves by their own pita. Don't make me say I can't say it with this. I think you might cut out. Oh, we definitely have. A ptard. You might think that a ptard is some kind of, like a long pike type ard, you might think that a patard is some kind of like a long pike

type thing, you know. It is in fact, it is a bomb. It's like a bomb on a pole, I think. But what I'm saying, so if you can take the word patar, as we discussed earlier as sorry I'm I'm obviously coming at this the wrong angle for you guys Right no no no, but I'm look we'll go oh We'll whiteboard this for you and I see you next time and I can try and go through it, but it's fine. I don't want to get this off track Just consider it. Just just have a think about that they've hoisted themselves by their own Patar. And with an open mind. And we could touch back on this in the weeks to come. Uh-huh.

And then just close the dictionary. You'll be done. Um, there is one other letter that makes a parallel point to that. It's from a friend of the show, Justin, says, hey, Andrew, was pleasantly surprised to hear a generally pro-vegan take on the latest bonus Buntar. Both as someone who's been vegan for a decent chunk of time and as someone who's writing their PhD on the geographies of vegan praxis I feel as though I have the authority to say fuck Peter. Most vegans take issue with Peter for advocating kill shelters, however you've hit the nail on the head and saying that they're kind of the forefront of keeping the annoying vegan idea alive. And sure there are a lot of those dickhead, go vegan types, but groups like Peter very to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theateateateateateateateateateate the the theateateate the the the the the the the the the the the the the their the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the the, the,. Despite all the good they may achieve in other forms of advocacy, e.g. celebrity models promoting their own veganism, celebrity role models, promoting their own veganism. Other groups and

initiatives such as Animals Australia, Challenge 22, the Vegan Society, public events such as the Adelaide Vegan Festival and community-based groups, such as university-based vegan clubs find far more success and do more the the the their their their their th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, the, th. Wea, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ea, ea, ea, ea, ea, ea, ee, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeauuuuu.eau.eau.eau.eau.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e, te,based vegan clubs, find far more success and do far more to promote a compassionate veganism, as is the case with social diffuse movements. I hope you find these views insightful, Justin. Yeah, it's always been like that too. It's like Peter's whole thing is much more, but can we get Kylie Jenner to be naked and then say, I'm not wearing a fur coat. Yeah, it's always been like that too. They had like Pamela Anderson, like it's been like that forever. Yes, yes. Although it's definitely funny to throw a bucket of paint over someone on a red carpet. Hilarious. It is pretty funny actually. Well thank you for writing in about that everybody.

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