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Hello, it's me, Ben from the podcast, Buntavista, just letting you know that this week's free episode you are getting an unlocked bonus episode. It's a Theo files that Theo and I did a couple of weeks ago. You're getting it this week for three reasons, really, sort of give you a tantilizing taste of what life behind the paywall is like. Also because we need to skip a free episode for the numbering to make sure that the live episode is the 350th episode by the numbered episode.

Obviously it'll be about the 700th episode total. It's crazy to think about and because I am going away to stay in a yurt for a couple of days and Can't can't podcast from the yurt I hope you enjoy this episode if you can come to the the little live show and you haven't bought a ticket yet I reckon you should probably be pretty fun. Stay safe out there. Enjoy this episode. Moire. Hors and demon cause of sights for all to see Come ye all around the fire and listen all the while To tales of holes and mystery we call the Theophiles We call the Theophiles Just start calling it. Theo. Oh God, thank God that wasn't recorded.

Pretty racist. Yeah. Hello and welcome to Buntavista. Welcome to episode X-IV of the Theorophiles, whatever that means. We might have got that right. We might have got that right. I checked. Famously, we've got it wrong nearly every other time that we've ever done. Every other time. Yeah. But nothing in th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, th, th, th, th, th, th. Oh, th, tho, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th, th, th, th, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha. Oh, tha. Oh, tha. Oh, tha. Oh, tha. Oh, tha. Oh, tha. Oh, th ever done. Every other time. Yeah. But nothing in this episode will be wrong. Yes. Hmm. Or questionable. Or questionable. Which is good. I'm Theo and you can see me, but I can't see you.

I'm sitting comfortably upon this standard issue couch within a five meter by five meter room that would be entirely non-des, except for its lack of ceiling for observability. Otherwise, this room, which we may refer to as Universe 36, contains a 42-inch Sony Bravia hooked up to a PlayStation 4 with access to Plex, a laptop, and a fridge that's stocked from the reverse side with cans of mid-strength beer, and ready-made serves a Bolognaise, which we heat up with the microwave that sits atop the fridge.

A tasteful curtain can be pulled back across the tiled section of the room that can be used for wet activities, like toileting and showering. It's Day 56 of the experiment. The only signs of stress in our relationship, which are eagerly noted and tracked by our observers, is largely sidestepped by a truce that has been formed. I cannot promise not to fart while drinking a can of Captain Sensible and playing the Reserville 4 remake on professional difficulty, but I can promise to lean away from Ben. Now also with me, drinking an expertly brewed IPA and looking at something cool on his laptop

that he's about to show me out of genuine mutual curiosity, it's my good friend Ben. How you going, man? Hey, DeBird. Captain Sensible, that's the Bolter mid-strength. Yeah, interesting choice. Just because you see I've, like the IPA that I've got here so it's from an independent brewery it's got that independent brewers association little icon there so it's like an easy way you can tell whether it's owned by one of the big sort of corporate fat cats or you know whether it's supporting yeah I mean I guess if it's like if it's a nice tasting beer and I know the price can be a a bit of a factor you know that's cool it's cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool that's a good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good good the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that's a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th thi thi thi thi thi te te te te te te they. they. the the the the the they. they good. It's sort of mid-strength so I don't get too drunk. This is one, four pines. There's no way that's being responsibly...

No, four pines got... Oh, part of Asahi beverages. Yeah, they got bought out quite a while ago, four pines. It used to be great though. What's in your hand? Oh, I'm drinking. What do you pump it? The Welder's Dog, Darkwood IPA, which is from two four packs that I... Well, let's not say I. The Chev and I are one doing trivia at the Welder's Dog in Invera New South Wales. We swooped in from out of town.

What a treat. And we demolished the people of Inverilel at a sold-out trivia night by like a just an unbelievable margin. And are they like, were they other two-person teams? So this is like 10-person teams, right? There were a few two-person teams but it was mostly large groups but I and who's carrying the team there you or Shiv? Well I mean there was a lot of pop culture stuff in there and I mean shiv is an off-screen character for the listener of this podcast he's just a man that I work with who's a very unique specimen he doesn't

really engage with popular culture in any way shape or form he's mostly been off the internet for his entire he doesn't really engage with popular culture in any way, shape or form. He's mostly been off the internet for his entire life, doesn't really watch TV or movies. What a way to be. Yeah, he has a really great life. He's like one of the happiest people I know by a considerable margin. It's funny how that correlates, hey. You ask him like what he's doing on his days off. and it's either reading, awesome, or he's like, I'm gonna build a contraption.

Like, fuck fuck, fuck, that sounds so good. This is why I don't want to work anymore. I want to build contraptions. I've got shit on my desk here to build a contraption. I'm gonna do it. Man, I, I, honestly, it seems, it seems, it seems, it seems, it seems, it seems, it seems, it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that's that he was born in a time where just being like a tinkerer doesn't really exist. Yeah, you can't be like sponsored by a patron to work in their dungeons. There's no local marquee to like fund him just building shit.

Like weirdly enough, the bar has Is probably the best chance he'll ever have in his life of being paid to just build devices. Yeah Where we're like hey we want something stupid that does this and he just disappears for a couple weeks and he presents Like a capital O object and you're like wow All right, you did it. Thanks man. Oh, what a beautiful time Yeah, and that's been two to three minutes about my friend, Chev. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this may be Universe 36 or whatever that was.

Yeah. We didn't spend a lot of time on that. I'm sorry. I got distracted thinking about how much I appreciate and idolize. Patrick Shevelin. So we're in an ideal sort of a micro-un-ideal for us, I guess, an ideal sort of micro-universe where we're free of responsibility. Yes. Fully loaded plex. Who's in charge of the plex? I think we just send a message to Andrew if we want stuff loaded on there. Yeah, can you get me this? Yeah, but I want the, this cut? But I want the, thi- th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, ideal, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I think we just send a message to Andrew if we want stuff loaded on there. Yeah, can you get me this? Yeah. But I want the this cut.

Absolutely. Thanks very much. Yeah. With the subtitles, but the ones that are burnt into the movie because they've got like like cool action like comic book kind of. I hate that shit so much. The John Wick won subtitles for the Russian parts. It's like the one bad thing in the whole series.

It looks like absolute dog shit. Why did you do that? Yeah. I'm good. But we journey now to a less ideal universe. Universe 25. And as presented in the procedural, procedural Royal Society of Medicine process. Fuck, this was in my annotations and it was like one of three things I wrote down. So apologies. It is proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine, Volume 66, January 1973.

Title... Oh, do you say January 1973? January 1973? That's very, very interesting. That's very, very interesting. Okay. Title, Death Square, the Explosive Growth and Demise of a Mouse population by John B. Calhoun, MD. We'll probably get emails about how this guy was like evil or not evil or a mouthusian, but he's a biologist, so what do you want for me?

Yeah. They're all nuts. Yes. Okay, you don't become a research biologist by having morals and good views on... I think at some point you have to draw some conclusions from your studies. You don't have to be crazy to work in research biology. Yeah. But you do. But you do, especially if you want to lead it. And it begins as such. I shall largely speak of mice, but my thoughts are on man, on healing, on life, and its evolution. Extraordinary. It's one of the most extraordinary journal articles I have ever seen.

And sorry, just to backtrack a moment. This was, this was presented to me as many of my prior ones have been by listener Amara, who drip feeds me just the most bizarre stuff you could imagine. So thank you again to Amara. Threatening life and evolution are the two deaths, deaths of the spirit and death of the body. Evolution, in terms of ancient wisdom, is the acquisition of access to the tree of life. This takes us back to the white first horse of the Apocalypse, which, with its rider set out to conquer the forces that threaten the spirit with death. Further in Revelation 2.7 we note, to him who conquers, I will grant to eat the tree of life which is in the paradise

of God. And further on Revelations XXII dot 2, the leaves of the tree were for the healing of nations. This takes us to the fourth horse of the apocalypse, revelations, VI.7. I saw a pale horse and its writer's name was death and Hades followed him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill with the sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth, in brackets, italics mine, by which I mean italics his. Can we, we've covered so much already. Yeah, yeah, sure.

All of these biblical illusions are very, very powerful. Yeah, what's the line that he said? Evolution is being granted access to the tree of life? Yes, it's the acquisition of access to the tree of life. This guy's spitting some straight fire and we're on a paragraph. All right. That's beautiful. What a beautiful phrase. Yeah, and this is the proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine. Yeah. From the laboratory of brain evolution and behavior.

More like the proceedings of the Royal Society of medicinal weed, am I right? This guy was smoking on something. Probably. If you've seen photos of him. This second death has gradually become the predominant concern of modern medicine and yet there is nothing in the earlier history of medicine or in the precepts embodied by the Hippocratic oath that precludes medicine from being equally concerned with healing the spirit and healing nations as with healing the body. There's nothing explicit. It's just sort of taken as assumed.

Yeah, I don't know. Perhaps we might do well to reflect upon another of John's transcriptions in Revelation I.I.11, he who conquers shall not be hurt by the second death. Subtitle, bodily mortality. Let us first consider the second death in table one, and I'll read from table one now. As in revelation, VI.8, the second death number one is sword, the second death number two is famine. Second death number three is pestilence. Second death number four is wild beasts. Translated handily into ecological expression. Expression number one was sword becomes emigration.

Number two which is famine becomes to a resource shortage to be inclement weather and fire and cataclysms of nature. Item three, which was pestilence, is obviously disease. And item four, wild beasts translates to predation. Is he extrapolating this from the four horses, the apocalypse? I believe so, yeah. Which are famine pestilence, death and war? Death and war, yeah. Which one is wild beasts of those four?

Must be death. Death is wild beasts? Must be. The four mortality factors that listed in Revelations have direct counterparts with a division of one of them to form a total of five in the ecology of animals in nature which we've just Discussed I shall briefly treat each of these five mortality factors then discuss the steps Taken to eliminate or drastically reduce the impact of which of each in a utopian environment constructed for mice Number one.

This is some real, what's he building it there? Ah, man. What is he building in there? We will discuss. Number one, emigration. Animals in the wild rarely die from the sword directly. Few are the deaths from intraspecific combat. So we're talking about species predating themselves. On each other, intraspecific is within the same species.

That's actually quite a nice word. Yeah. Interest specific. Rather it is that individuals who have failed in the more symbolic conflicts involved in gaining the right to remain in the locality of their birth or in more preferred habitats take recourse to movement into peripheral, unoccupied or suboptimal habitats. In strange and less favorable habitats, the emigres become more exposed to other mortality factors. Any removal of excess members from an established population from the point of view of change in its numbers

represents mortality. In this sense, emigration is a mortality factor. I don't want to do this to you every couple of sentences. I just wanted to know that I I understand what you're saying that he's saying. So so he's talking the the the the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact, the mortality, the mortality, the mortality the mortality the fact, the fact, the mortality the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact, the mortality factors. the the the the the the mortality factors the mortality factors. the the their their their mortality factors. the mortality factors. their their their their to do this to you every couple of sentences. I just want to know that I understand what you're saying that he's saying. So he's talking about clashes within like a group of animals that lead some of those animals to leave their habitat. To outcast themselves or be outcast and that counts as mortality as far as the main population is considered. Yeah, because it's reducing the number, but also something about them being put into probably less ideal circumstances because they're going, yeah. And it sounds like this guy is on some shit, but all of this is dealt with directly.

I cannot emphasize this enough. All right. Emigray is such a beautiful word to talk about like an animal losing a like a dominance fight and then leave it. Is it ever a gray? And being cast down to the lower net that's like strung between the hamster cage and whatever. To a resource shortage, classically food and water received the focus of attention with respect

to their reduction increasing the likelihood of death. Shortages of shelter, other environmental resources and associates lead to debilitation and unsatisfactoryness of habitat that culminate in death or failure to reproduce. Species death. 2B, inclement weather. Every species has developed a genetic adaptation to some particular range of external conditions which affect its physiology. Beyond the usual contributions to mortality, flood and fire represent cataclysmic changes that have widespread long-lasting effects on population numbers.

Number three, disease. Even though some animals develop some capacity to tolerate the parasites, bacteria that they'd be expected to see, abnormally high densities enhance the likelihood of spread of disease to epidemic proportions. Number four, predation. And practically every species has, through evolution, had associated with it predators capable of killing some of its members. Despite loss of members from these five kinds of mortalities, most species persist over a long periods, even those measured in geological time. To do so, every such species has developed capabilities for reproduction requisite to compensate

for losses from the normal impact of mortality factors other than aging. So, I mean, yeah. Yeah. He's describing developing the ability to reproduce because you might die at some point, so obviously your numbers will reduce. Yeah, and finding like caves to live in and finding the, you know, the slice of conditions that your species can survive and thrive within. And that basically, this can go on forever, except for exceptions, which is another thing to note when as we head into the implementation stage of whatever this is. So we just did the design phase currently? We're in the prior art. The prior art section that's right. I have

omitted senescence which is old age as a mortality factor since it's rare for the animal who lives long enough in nature to reach a post-reproductive age without having succumbed to one of the above mortality factors. Can I say it, and stop me if this is controversial? Cinescence, one of the top five English words. Absolutely, love it. I have to Google it every time. Incredible word. I really like its use when it's the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiole, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi..auiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I have to Google it every time. Incredible word. I really like its use when it's describing the phase of life that... I don't know if it's squids or octopuses or all of those things. Whatever class of creature that is.

Cephlebods, but they, after they have sex, they enter Cinescence, and then that immediately starts a series of events that causes them to die quite soon afterwards. Oh shit. Yeah, Sinescence, really good word. Yeah, kicks off this. What was the one, um, man, I saw it, I saw an animal that would do the same when it would go into into heat but it would do like a two-week fuckfest after which like it's, or during which they're all like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. like, th. Like, th. Like, their, like, like, like, but it would do like a two-week fuckfest

after which, like it's, or during which bodies, they're all like all their bodies would just fall apart, like much, much faster than like natural condition or stress from having sex or what have you, goes, I wish I could remember what animal that was. If you know, the fatal fuckfest animal. Please let me know. Yeah, let us know and then we'll put it in in post. Yeah. Subheading. A mortality inhibiting environment for mice. Some of the attributes of this environment have been discussed or figured elsewhere.

Calhoun, 1969, 1971. We got Ski, 1970. Did he... Is this first citation himself? Yes. Fantastic. Absolutely, because he's referring to an environment that he has built in previous works. Okay. So he's going to describe some of the, some of the attributes of this, but I will tell you more about what it is that he's built that he doesn't quite capture the flavor of.

Item 1, which refers to pale rider number one, I guess, emigration prevention. A closed physical universe was formed by four 1.3 meter high walls forming a square two and a half meters to a side. So two and a half meters by two and a half meters, one-half meters tall. Yeah, so preventing the emigration of mice with walls. With walls, basically. And this is one of his other affectations, he calls these universes. Because that's all the mice know. They can't, they're born in here and they exist in these universes and they die in here. This is, as I mentioned earlier,

this is universe number 25. I mean they would still hear stuff from the out of world. Yeah, it's sort of in a room in a lab though as well. So, we're in a shed somewhere. Kind of exchange between the two. Although the walls were structured for use by mice to increase the effective use area of the universe, the mice could not climb over the upper 43 centimeter unstructured portion of galvanized metal walls, right? So it's like a possum kind of the metal stuff that wraps the power poles, the possums can't climb, right? they've just got galvanized steel at the top.

Resource Supra availability. Each 64 centimeter linear segment of wall was identically structured. So there's a, they're in these 64 centimeter panels. They've got four, 7. centimeter diameter tunnels, 86 centimeters long of mesh wire were soldered vertically to the walls. So the rats can climb up through these tunnels, you've got four of them to a panel. The open lower end, just above the floor, which is covered with ground corn cob, gave access to each tunnel.

At 20 centimeter intervals above the floor in each tunnel, there are 20 by 13 by 10 centimeter retreat nesting boxes, right? So they're little apartments for the mice. They climb up the mesh tunnel and they pop out to their little apartment. 15 mice could comfortably rest in a single nest box. Thus, there were four, four unit walk up one room apartments in each cell. A wire mesh food hopper with a 15 by 25 centimeter surface was located in each of the 16 cells, halfway up the wall and in contact with the right-hand tunnel of each set of four tunnels.

So it's not all just in the middle, right? Like the food's not just in the middle, the hoppers aren't in the middle. They're separated out into these tunnels and apartments configuration, even though we're still describing a box that's, what do we say, it's about two meters wide? Yeah, two and a half meters wide by one and a half meters tall. But it's sort of limiting avenues for competition for the food because there are these sort of individual points where they get access to it. Yeah, but there's also food in the middle as well, which is also important.

Mice climbing across the outer surface of the tunnel gained access to the food hopper. 25 mice could simultaneously feed on a hopper. By further climbing up the outside surface of the tunnels, mice had access to a 10 by 45 centimeter platform, above which four water bottles were suspended. Two mice could drink simultaneously at each bottle. An abundant supply of paper strips for nesting materials was always available on the floor a few inches out from the bases of the tunnel.

Considering the time required to eat and drink, access to food would not have been a limiting variable until a population of 9,500 was reached, or 6144 for water. Considering that there were 256 nest retreat sites in the 16 cells, one would to expect shelter to be a limiting factor until the population exceeded 300, 3,840. Due to the tendency of many animals to choose to crowd together in numbers of excess of 15 per nest site, at the peak population size of 2,200 mice, 20% of all nest sites were usually unoccupied.

Thus, there was always an opportunity for females to select an unoccupied space for rearing young, if so, they choose. So we're limiting their ability to leave the thing. We're making sure that that their their their their their their there is there is there is there is their there is their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is the're limiting their ability to leave the thing. We're making sure that there is not just available resources, but abundant, overly abundant resources. There's too much food, there's too much water for them to possibly go through. Number three, disease control. The Balb C. Albino house mice, moose musculis, used as colonizers in this study were obtained from the National Institute of Health Breeding Colony, where extreme precautions are followed to preclude establishment of epidemic type diseases such as cellmonella.

Bacterial culture taken in the highest density of population indicated that such organisms were not a factor in our study. About four to eat, every four to eight weeks the ground corn cob in all nests in the floor were removed along with accumulated feces. Point four, predation. No predators were present. Smart. That was a really good move on his part. So they had some some mortality in the history of the population. but not until they became quite old did the mortality from aging contribute significantly to the removal of members from the population. On the basis of analysis, menopause in females comes at about 560 days of age.

They don't know how long the life expectancy is at weaning, but the suspect is well past metapause. Large numbers of mice live to 800 days of age, which is about 80 years for an equivalent human. All right, subheading. Explosive initial population growth, the resource exploitation phase B. Four pairs of 48-day old Balb C strain house mice were introduced into the 16th cell universe on July 9th, 1968. After each mouse had been isolated for 21 days following weaning. There followed a period of 104 days, phase A before the first litters were born. These 104 days were marked by considerable social turmoil

among these eight mice until they had adjusted to each other and to the expanded surroundings. Following this adjustment and the birth of the first litters, the population exhibited an exponential increase with a doubling time of about 55 days. This progression of numbers was approximately 20, 40, 80, 160, 320 and 620 mice after nearly 5 doublings. I call this period of most rapid growth phase B. At 620 weaned mice, the rate of population growth abruptly decreased to a doubling time of approximately 145 days.

Periodically through phase B, young born into the universe reached sexual maturity and boy young, thus contributing to the compound interest rate of population growth. So we're seeing them double and double and double, as you would expect with abundant resources, abundant room to live, to grow, no, nothing reducing their numbers. So interestingly, if you imagine, we've got this box, and we've got the panels. the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel the panel their nothing reducing their numbers. So interestingly, if you imagine we've got this box

and we've got the panels arranged around the walls where they're like they've got the ladders up, et cetera. They graft where they ended up. And the mice, the distribution of place of birth during phase B, and they found that the total young born in each of the 64 nests they put it on a table, it could be seen that births tended to be concentrated in some sets of nest boxes while others had few or none. So this uneven distribution of birth reflects clustering of reproducing females into brood groups, you know, as you'd expect, blah, blah, blah. These totals, though, reflect two properties

of a closed social system. Number one, bilateral symmetry. The northeast brood group produced only 13 young in 252 days, whereas the opposite Southwest Brood Group produced over 8 times as many, 111. So he's claiming that this, and you see this pattern through the distribution of brood groups, where there is lots and lots on one side, there are very few on the other side, even though they're the furthest points away from each other. In what way does that constitute bilateral symmetry? Well, if you take that and you rotate that 90 degrees and divide it by half,

you've got a concentration around where you've divided it, and the, effectively, you know, bilateral symmetry being you can chop it in half, you know, like a person and you've got an arm and a leg on, an arm on each side and a leg on each side. Similarly, you know, you can slice this in half from, what would that be from? What's through the middle of each of the two groups, which are asymmetrical? Because one is much more abundant than the other?

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done your dividing line and then they diminish equally around the edge towards the other side. And they're symmetrical as well. Okay that is genuinely quite interesting. Yes. So and it says that this is this, th, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, th, th, th, it's, th, th, it's, it's, th, th, it's, it's, it's, thi, it's, it's, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's the, it's thi, it's the their their their the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, it's, it's their their their their, it's their their their their their their their their their their thi, it's thi, it's the, it's a the, it's a square the. It's the. theat, it's theeat, it's theat, it's the. theat, it's their their their their their the. It well. Okay, that is genuinely quite interesting. Yes. So and it says that this is this indicates attempt by the members of the population to superimpose a more effective bilateral symmetry of organization upon an environment that tends towards radial symmetry. You know, I don't know, he seems confident about this. I think he's got a theory in mind here. I just think it's cool. Then the hierarchy of, number two, hierarchy of groups.

Productivity of a group may be taken as an index of its social status. They took the 14 Barout groups and assigned a rank of them, number one, most productive, for number 14 to the to the least productive. So most productive produced 111 young and the least being 13 young. And if you plot that number of young, the amount of pups produced versus their rank, you get a straight line, which is wild. They are basically ranked with equal distance of like productivity between them. So they talk about this mapping back to a concept called social velocity. So, the most dominant male is the most active one, and as social dominance declines, so does

the degree of activity. So the most dominant male has the most freedom to participate in society and be active and that kind of thing, and down to the least where they can basically achieve nothing. And you can use the amount of young that they produce as a proxy of this, which they will explore later. So the degree of dominance of the other territorial males tend to be reflected by the productivity of females being associated with them. So at the end of this phase B, all the most desirable physical space was filled with the productivity of females being associated with them. So at the end of this phase B, all the most desirable physical space was filled with organized social groups.

So these 14 social groups totaled 150 adults. So they've had, you know, like 2,000 pups, but this is over a long period of time, right? So peak population of about 150 adults. On average, each group contained 10 individuals, including a territorial male, associated males and females and their juvenile and subadult progeny. At the end of phase B, there were 150 adults and then 470 of these immature mice that had experienced good maternal care and early socialization. There were over three times as many as, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th as th as th as th as th as th as th as th as th as thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousa 50, thous and 150, thous thous thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous, thous thous thous and 50, thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thous of these immature mice that had experienced good maternal care and early socialization. There were over three times as many younger animals as the socially established older ones,

and this number is far greater than would have existed had the normal ecological mortality factors function. So basically they're in a place that they can't die except for being old. And they've got a steady society at this stage, 150 adults, but lots and lots of young. Which brings us to subheading number three, inhibited secondary population growth, the stagnation phase C. But being at day 315 after colonization and continuing for 245 more days, population grew at much slower rate, doubling only every 145 days rather than each 55 days. In the normal course of events in a natural ecological setting,

somewhat more young survive to maturity than are necessary to replace their dying or senescent established associates. The excess that find no social niches emigrate. However, in my experimental universe, there was no opportunity for emigration. As an unusually large number of young gained adulthood, they had to remain, and so they contested for roles in the filled social system. Males who failed, withdrew physically and psychologically, they became very inactive and aggregated in large pools near the center floor of the universe. Oh no, yeah. It's the Reddit pile. It's literally a big pile of fail sons.

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and much scar tissue as a result of attacks by other withdrawn males. Return of two or more males who had gone to eat and drink marked an abrupt shift in the level of ambient stimuli for the Equestian associates. So they're just fucking chilling out. And they're they're they're they're they're they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just th. th. their th. they're just they're just. th. they're th. th. they're th. they're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they're just just just just th. they're just th. they're just just thi. they're just thi. the the the they're just they're just thean they're just thean they're just thi they're just thi. they're just thi. th And two of the most annoying dudes you've ever met come back from lunch. And it's bite time. Yeah, because that's literally the only thing that's happened all day.

That's right, they're just staring at the wall and fucking Greg comes back. Yeah, let's get him. Let's get him. So they just, they've got nowhere to run to, because they don't belong in society anymore. They don't have... But they can't leave society. They can't leave society.

They've only got the pile on the floor. They haven't got any way to run, so they just fight each other. A mouse so attacked would later time become the their the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the, the, their the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, the, the, their, the, tho, their, they're they're they're they're they're they don't they don't they don't their, their, their their, their their, their, their, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the, the, the, the, the, the, the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, th become an attacker. Female counterparts of these withdrawn males tended to withdraw at higher level boxes that were less preferred by females with litters. So they're not just in-cells, they're also sex nerds, I would assume. So as the result of extreme demands made on territorial males to reject maturing associates, their ability to continue territorial defense declined. Gradually, the frequency of this involvement territorial defense declined, as did the area defended.

This left nursing females more exposed to invasion of their nest sites. Normally, nursing females in the presence of territorial males exhibit little aggression. However, in response to an invasion of nests, the the the the the their defense their defense their defense their defense theirance theirps, theirps, theirps, theirps, theirps, theirps, theiraps, theiraps, theirals, theirals, te, te, teatorial defense teatea, teatorial defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense defense, to to to to to to to to to toe, toe, te, te, te, te, te, theae, theae, theaea, thea, thea, thea, theira, theira, theirananananananananananananananananananananananate, te, te, tritorial males exhibit little aggression. However, in response to an invasion of nest sites and bases of ramps leading to them, the nurses, the nursing females did become aggressive, essentially taking over the role of the territorial males. This aggression generalized to their own young who were attacked, wounded and forced to leave home several days before normal weaning. During phase C, the incidence of conception declined and the resorption of fetuses increased.

So they're so depressed and lacking good male models that they're just like reabsorbing the fetuses in the womb. They're like, you know what? It's fucking, I don't want it. I'm just gonna zip this one away. Is that a biological mechanism they have available to them? Like a... So says...

It's fucking wild. Um... Maternal behavior often became disrupted. Young were wounded. Young were their young to several sites, their young to several sites during which process some were abandoned. Many litters of young age on one survey disappeared before the next survey. Such abandoning of young followed following survey disturbance is a particularly sensitive index of dissolution of maternal behavior. The combined effect of these several

factors affecting reduced conception, increased fetal mortality, and increased preweening mortality largely accounts for the abrupt decline in the rate of population growth characterizing phase C. For all practical purposes, there had been a death of societal organization by the end of phase C. Subheading 4. Decline of population size, the death phase D. Population increase abruptly ceased on day 560 after colonization. A few mice born up until day 600 survived past weaning. Between these times, deaths... Between these times, deaths just these times deaths just slightly exceeded

births beyond at the time of the last surviving birth on day 600 the incidents of pregnancies declined very rapidly with no young surviving. Last conception was about day 920. So they've, society has effectively fulled apart so so much that through apparently no other factor, they have children of mend themselves. Yeah. They've children of mice. Fn't.

I don't really, is it's psychological? I don't really, is it psychological? Well, it's the second death, Ben. Because they took away the first death. Now this is the death of the spirit second death. Because they took away the first death. Now this is the death of the spirit. Yeah. Within these mice. That's like what happened at the end of Star Wars episode 3.

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I'll take your word for it. You've seen it. Don't act like you haven't seen it. I have, but I don't remember it. I remember it. Just because she gives up. She's just like, nah, too depressed. I'm out of here. All right. Yeah. With the increase of rate of mortality accompanying senescence in the population has continued decline in numbers. By March the 1st 1972, the average age of survivors was 776 days over 200 days beyond menopause. So they're just getting old now. Getting old, not having kids. No kids.

On June 22, 1972, there are only 122, 22 male, 100 female survivors. Projection of the prior few months of exponential decline in numbers indicate that the last surviving male would be dead on May 23, 1973, 1,780 days after colonization. The population will be, reproductively, definitely dead at that time, although such death was predicted by 700 days after colonization. This demise of population contradicts prior knowledge, which indicates that when a population declines to a few remnant groups, some individuals will reinitiate its growth. Yeah, I was going to say, even like statistically speaking, wouldn't you think there would be a few like outliers that just brought new babies into the colony?

Yeah, I mean, that's, it's hard to know because this is so deliberately a bizarre scenario that they've constructed. Yeah. But what he says is that effectively they've just broken society so badly that the chain of like, of behavior, of, you know, teaching and experience has just disappeared. Yeah. Turning back to the end of phase C, the seeds of eventual destruction may already be seen to have been so on. By Midway and phase C, essentially all young were prematurely rejected by their mothers.

They started independent life without having developed adequate, effective bonds. Then as they moved out into an already dense population, many attempts to engage in social interaction were mechanically disrupted by passage of other mice. Lastly, I've shown in Calhoun, 1963 that in proportion to the extent that the group size exceeds the optimum, maximizing gratification from such interactions necessitates a decrease in the intensity and duration of such behaviors. This fragments otherwise more complex behaviors. As a result of these three processes, number one, failure to develop early social

bonding. Number two, mechanical interference with developing social behaviors, and number three, fragmentation of behaviors, maturation of the more complex social behaviors such as those involved in courtship, maternity and aggression failed. For females, a clear example may be taken from two-cell universe studied in parallel with the 16 cell one, detailed here. Members of this population were killed 300 days after the inflection point of the shift from phase C to phase D, among these 148 females born within the last 50 days before the end of phase C. At autopsy at a median age of 334

days, only 18% had ever conceived and only 2% were pregnant. By this age, most females in a normal population would have had five or more litters, most of them successfully reared. Male counterparts to these non-reproducing females, we soon dubbed the beautiful ones. They never engaged in sexual approaches towards females, and they never engaged in fighting, and so they had no wound or scar tissue. Just gliding through life, completely pure and free. Yeah, I assume exactly the sort of life that Fabio lived. Yeah.

Thus their palage remained in excellent condition, just like Fabio. Their behavioral repertoire became largely confined to eating, drinking, sleeping and grooming, none of which carried any social implications beyond that represented by a contiguity of bodies. Most of the last half of the population born in the 16-cell universe were fully or largely like these non-reproducing females and these beautiful ones, the males. As their formerly more competent predecessors gradually became senescent, their already disrupted capacity for reproduction terminated. At this time, only the beautiful one category of malesies bodies bodies bodies bodies bodies, escent, their already disrupted capacity for reproduction terminated. At this time, only the beautiful one category of males and

their counterpart females remained at an age normally compatible with reproduction, but they had long since failed to develop this capacity. Subheading, conclusion. The results obtained in this study should be obtained when customary causes of mortality become markedly reduced in any species of mammal whose members form social groups. I wonder what he's thinking of here. Reduction of bodily death, i.e. the second death, culminates in a survival of an excessive number of individuals that have developed the potentiality

for occupying the social roles characteristic of the species. Within a few generations, all such roles in all physical space available to the species are filled. At this time, the continuing high survival of many individuals to sexual and behavioral maturity culminates in the presence of many young adults capable of involvement in appropriate species-specific activities. Normal societal organization, i.e., the establishment, breaks down. It dies. Young borns during such social dissolution are rejected by their mothers and other adult associates. The early failure of social bonding becomes compounded by interruption of action cycles

due to the mechanical interference resulting from the high contact rate among individuals living in high density population. They are no longer capable of executing the most complex behaviors compatible with species survival. The species in such settings die. For an animal so complex as man, there is no logical reason why a comparable sequence of events should not also lead to species extinction. For opportunities for role fulfillment fall far short of the demand by those capable of feeling roles, and having expectations to do so, only violence and disruption of social

organization can follow. Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable, even of alienation. Jesus Christ. What does that even mean? That they... That they... that a well-functioning society, or as defined by, um, by this, you know, self-pruning process that he's saying that he's taken away. Has the ability to alienate people that are fucked? Right? By their standards. But in the circumstances that he's describing,

you know, they are so out of, potentially out of touch with reality that alienation is impossible. They cannot understand being alienated. And you know, I'm considering like the continued emergence of things like Q&ON and on and just bizarre beliefs, you know, climate denialism, that you can, you can describe in absolute terms and in objective terms, but effectively, you know, a society begins to run out of ways of alienating these people because they are simply too out of touch with reality. Yeah, sure. Their most complex behaviors become fragmented. Acquisition, creation, and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial,

cultural, conceptual, technological society will have been blocked. Just a biological generativity and the mouse involves this species as most complex behaviors, so does ideational generativity and the mouse involves this species as most complex behaviors, so does ideational generativity for man. Loss of these respective complex behaviors means death of the species. Mortality bodily death equals the second death. Drastic reduction of mortality equals death of the second death equals death squared, equals death squared, but notated differently. Death squared leads to dissolution of social organization equals death of the establishment.

Death of the establishment leads to spiritual death. Equals the first death. Loss of capability to engage in behaviors essential to the species society equals the first death. Therefore, death squared equals the first death. Happy is the man who finds wisdom and the man who gains understanding. Wisdom is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her. All her paths lead to peace. Just to simplify his final equation, his ultimate fighting is that death equals death.

Yeah. Death squared equals the, squared equals the first death. The second death being mortality and bodily death, which then leads to... If you get rid of mortality, he considers that death squared, which is the first death. So if you get rid of mortality as an influence in your population, you are effectively, or he's effectively equating that with the death of the spirit.

Yeah. The death of the, the individual to carry on, to, to, you know, keep the species going, etc. Which leads us back to the first death. The first death. You get rid of the first death that gives us the second death which is the first death. Which is the first death, yeah. That's right. I think it's very interesting that it's just it seems like a crazy coincidence that you've gone with this one given and this keeps happening. This keeps happening. Now have you ever thought about how many lab mice there are the there there there are there are there are there are there are there are there are there there there there there there there are there their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the first. the first the first their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. to to to to to th. to to to th. th. to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. their. the the the the. the the. the. the. the. the. their. the. to this keeps happening. We keep choosing things that are related. Now have you ever thought about how many lab mice there are in the world right now? No, but I am thinking about it. Yeah, got it. The year is 1830.

A potter from Bloughbureen by the name of Karl Friedrich Ricksinger is digging for clay in a cave in a cave, the to' thee..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thiol-you've the, the, thiol-in, thiol-in, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the about a kilometer and a half east of the town of Shell Klingen. Digging for clay. He's digging for clay. Come to my yard, buddy. Yeah, surely there's clay. Take as much as you need. It's clay all over the place. Go down to the river pal. I'm following Minecraft rules for where you find clay. He finds the bones of a prehistoric cave bear, which he sells to district forest officer of the city of Ulm, the Count Friedrich von Mandelslow. Fuck, it must have been great to be alive in the 1830s except for all the racists. Isn't that the lyric from the song Taylor Swift just put out? Yeah.

1830? Does she say the 1830s? Yeah. Holy fuck. I know that's why I said. I know that's why I said it. It ended out the part that makes it seem like I didn't get the joke. Mark? If you leave that in, I'm gonna fucking kill you. I mean, it would have been an amazing time. Like that you are, you're a potter? Yes. From Blapura. Yeah, it's a shame that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that Like that you are a potter from Blavur. Yeah, it's a shame that she like was so fucking clumsy about it. She should have sung about this guy. About the Carl Friedrich Rixinger. I thought I was just going to sell some clay today. Yeah, but instead I sold prehistoric cave bear bones to the Count Friedrich von Mantel Slow. You can't do that anymore. The sporns have all dried up. There's no pathway to doing that. You're not going to incidentally come across some cave bear bones and you're not going to be able to sell them to Friedrich

Graf von Mantel Slow. No. That's just not on the fucking cards. He sold them to the Friedrich, Graf, Fontainebleau, because he was an amateur paleontologist and a geologist. Although Rick Singer did not reveal where he found the bones, like which cave he found them in to Friedrich at that time. You don't want to give up your bone source. Yeah, you don't want Friedrich from Mandelslow to camp your spawn of cave bear bones. 1844, Giorg Ricanberg, a cotton manufacturer at the Benedictine Monastery of Urspring.

He goes to that same cave and he mines it for Bat guano to be used as fertilizer. What a lot of... There's so many different ways of doing stuff back then. God damn it. This is why like Dwarf Fortress is so compelling. Yeah. Like no one's going to the ancient bare bones caves and mining for Guano anymore. When is the last time you found a good

source for a resource? Like in the world around you were like, oh I could use this to construct something? Yeah, the fog of war is all lifted. Yeah, we have the whole map now. Which you know, you learn that kind of as a teenager that Age of Empires actually stops being fun if you use all the cheats and you turn off all the fog of war and you've the the the the the the the source the the the the the source the the the the source the the the source the the source the the the source so so so so so so so so so so so so so the the the the the the the the source source source source source source source source source source source source source source source source the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the source source source source source source source source source source source source source source source. so so so the whole the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the source. so so someau. thou. thou. thou. thou.ooooooooooooooneneau. soo. Sooneau. Soo. Soo. Soo. Soo. Soo. Soo. Soo. Soo. Soo. So. So. So a teenager that age of empires actually stops being fun if you use all the cheats and you turn off all the fog of war and you've got infinite resources. What's the point? What's the point? The gameplay actually comes from the challenge.

Yeah. That's what makes life fun. In the years 1870 and 1871, the cave got some more attention, the head of the Royal Natural History Museum in Stuttgart, Oscar Fras, who had been excavating caves in the area searching for prehistoric animal bones. He excavates this same cave in conjunction with Pastor Joseph Hartman of Wittingen. So he's just, he's enrolled a local clergyman to help him with this. That's another dope thing that like we used to do. I mean, look, obviously, the church had some problems.

But they also used to do cool shit, because they were like, there were members of society that just sat around largely unoccupied. Yeah, and they could read, which was huge. Yeah, and they knew how to read, you know, like, like, look, look, look, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, the huge. Yeah, and then you knew how to read, you know, like so, our understanding of the statistics of why things happen due to other things happen, happening, came from a guy named Bays, who was a clergyman of some kind priest, I think, I don't know, I don't fucking know. But, and they're just like, all right, well, let's just sit around and work out why shit happens.

Yeah. Have a thing about it. Why not? What else you're going to do? Yeah. You just go to the one guy in your town that knows how to read books and you ask him every question you have. I saw a horrible beast in the woods. It looks kind of like this. Yeah, that's big foot, dude.

But he's one of God's creatures. That's right. He's fucked up. So in this excavation, they find an abundance of skeletal remains from prehistoric cave bears, reindeer, mammoth and wild horses, as well as tools belonging to the say Orignacian, Orignacian culture of the upper Paleolithic. So a lot of stuff in that cave. Yeah, cool. It's kind of a everything happened on at once in this

cave kind of deal. Well not at once over like millions of years like the tea-logical time spans yeah. Yeah In 1872, the Anthropological Association, together with Rudolf Verkau, the founder of the Berlin Society for Anthropology Ethnology in Prehistory, they conduct a tour of the cave as part of a conference. Enough material is found in the cave to fill a railway car. Dope. That's not happening anymore. No.

The contents of which are sent to the Stuttgart Museum of Natural History. During this time, the cave is locked off from the general public. They actually build a gate in front of it. Yeah. Probably smart. As part of the tour that is conducted, every participant in the tour is allowed to select one object and take it home as a souvenir. Yes. They're also not letting you do that.

They can't, yeah. They're not letting you pick up some like 50,000 year old cave bare bones. Well, go on. Have one for yourself. Take that home. You don't get to take relics home anymore. My reliquary is completely empty. I'd kill to put something in my reliquary. So many slots there. Uh, 1906, Tubingan prehistorian Robert Rudolph Schmidt, who has been studying the finds from

the 1870s exploration reexamines the cave, but finds no new significant archaeological layers. So... All right, we're done. Yeah, everyone kind of ignores it for a while. Until 1936, the cave, which is known as Hole of Fels, which is German for Hollow Rock, is named a protected natural monument. I'd call a bone cave. Yeah, the cave of cool bones.

The cave of bones that are dope. So there are more excavations that come afterwards and they start finding some more stuff. So in the 50s and 60s there was a lot of excavation done by the archaeologist Gustav Rieke. Gustav Rieck. Yeah, the 50s and 60s, hey. Yeah, now Gustav Rik was actually quite active 50s and 60s, huh? Yeah, now Gustav Rik was actually quite active in the 30s and 40s as well. Okay. As a member of, I can't remember how to pronounce it, but it was essentially the SS division

of scare-quote historians and archaeologists who were like proving the world's area in history. So like, they'd go to cave sites and be like, wow, these guys were blonde. Uh-huh. Oh boy, were they blonde. So, yeah, not a great guy. It's so cool how anything starts in the 50s and 60s in Germany and you go, hey, what happened before that? What were you doing not that long ago? Yeah, not that long ago? What were you doing something in 1955? What were you doing exactly 10 years ago? We have been enjoying Fanta for 15 years. You know what, I don't even miss Coca-Cola?

Uh, later, another archaeologist named, uh, Joachim Han, I think it's meant, sorry. And earth is a large amount of findings relating to the Gravettian and Magdalenean prehistoric cultures. Over the years, the site yields an enormous number of prehistoric finds, including, most notably, and I think I have actually mentioned this work of art in the one of the first theophiles we did in the Makapanskut pebble one but the Venus of Holophels which is a you know a Venus sculpture a sort of exaggerated statue of a woman is a sort of fertility symbol. This is 40,000 years old and is considered the oldest undisputed example of a depiction of a human

being. So with no sort of wiggle room. Imagine if you got to take that one home from the tour. Oh you would have been fucking so smug. Oh you guys didn't get the Venus of Holophels? Yeah, I kind of came away with the Venus of Holophels. You know. We really need to study this because it's unbelievably important in anthropology. Well, it's kind of my souvenir, so I just got to keep it in my den. I think I might let my kids just sort of like throw it to each other in perfect spirals. 2005, a team of archaeologists from the University of Tübingen announced the culmination of five years of excavation after finding the 14th fragment of a Gravettian period artifact that is dated to approximately 28,000 years ago.

When reconstructed, the artifact is composed of polished siltstone is 19.2 centimeters long, 3.6 centimeters wide, 2.8 centimeters thick and weighs about 287 grams. So just sort of hold those dimensions in your hands. What's that? 19.2 centimeters, that's like six inches, I think? Yep. Yeah, about that. Yeah, seven inches. Yeah. The piece of stone has strike marks that indicate that it was likely used as a napping stone. So you'd you know what you'd use a napping stone to shape a sharp and bit of flint. So you'd sort of, that's right. You'd chip off like the edges

until you got exposed sharp edges and you use it to sort of give yourself a spearhead or an arrowhead or a knife or something. The other feature that it has other than being a long, very, very polished bit of stone is that towards one end, it has a number of etchings that together form a single ring that sort of, at a bit of an off-kilter angle circumscribes the tip. Okay.

Hey? Hey? Ha ha ha? Hmm? Yeah. Yeah, it's unambiguously no expert in the world disagrees. It is a polished silt stone penis about the size of the average penis. Which is seven inches.

Which is, that's right. Give a take. Now, no one has made a definitive ruling about this because they can't, but there does seem to be a prevailing attitude that the, despite the fact that this had use as a tool, was maybe also a religious significance, the fact that it is very close to life size indicates that it was maybe used for sexual gratification. Yeah. Because, like, penises were quite common. maybe used for sexual gratification. Yeah. Uh-huh. Because like,

penises were quite common in sort of, like we have a lot of example of penises throughout, prehistoric and otherwise. Yeah. But often when people had them as like, good luck charms or whatever, they were just very small,

because it's easy to make something small. But yeah, the fact that this is of a usable size, and polished as if it had been buffed by... Very polished, like unbelievably polished. Yeah, there was something like this in like, that they unearthed from an ancient cave in Cornwell, from the Pengelli tribe, but it was four and a half inches long. It can't have been useful because that's not close to life size. Now if this is correct, that this is an ancient Dildo, an ancient Dildo. It is the oldest Dildo that we have ever found. And you will sort of note that like, the Dildo hasn't come that far, technologically speaking, you know? Like, there was a bit of stagnation after the advent of this Dildo.

Yeah, they're sort of like, kind of riding, resting on their laurels there for the next 30,000 years. That's right. There were some improvements. Somewhere between roughly 13,000 and 9,000 years ago start emerging examples of the first double-ended dildos. Oh. Yeah, they've been around for a really fucking long time. How long did it take them to become flared? Oh, fucking, I did actually read something about this, I didn't make it into the notes, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the notes, the notes, the notes, the notes, the notes, uh, the notes, uh, uh, the notes, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, some, their, uh, some, some, uh, uh, uh, uh, some, uh, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, Oh, uh, fucking, I did actually read something about this, sorry, I did make it into the

notes, but they have like ancient Roman buttplugs that have flared bases on them. Which is wild, right? Yeah. And this is, you know, so sad that the Roman Empire collapsed. Yeah, and this is, you know, the human body has been like this for quite a long time. Like a really long time. And it is the things that feel good on the human body now have felt good that entire time. So obviously, you know, we have the ability to make objects, we have the ability to see things that we would like in the world, to figure out, hey, maybe putting something in there would feel kind of good and they're just doing it. So it's not like a shocking surprise, right?

Putting things in your butt 30,000 years ago probably still make you come. Yes, oh, maybe even more so, because you never, you know, you're not overstimulated. Yeah, and they've got the sort of pure pre-COVID DNA. They've got fog, yeah. Pre-COVID sort of went from 2020 all the way back to... This isn't the pre-COVID era. I bet a lot of thick pieces use that. The next major breakthrough, however, wasn't for fucking ages. So the obvious next step, which is the...

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electro mechanical vibrator, happened not until the 19th century, which I mean I guess makes sense, keeping the electro mechanical. It's so funny to imagine like an early 1800s vibrater. Yeah. Steam powered pistons. Yeah. You've got like a early 1800s vibrator. Yeah. Pogs, pistons. You've got like a troll of horses. Like, It was first marketed as a device for treating medical ailments by applying it topically to that area.

Now, everyone loves to chime in with that that fun fact about vibrators being things that doctors used on women's bodies to cure them of hysteria. Yes. That's not true. That's that's made up. That's not a real thing. Okay. Sketching that one out. Instead were like literally applying them topically to the area where you were having trouble. So if you had a headache, you would press the vibrated against your head, you had the tummy ache, you'd press the vibrated against your tummy.

Like it's some sort of, yeah, I mean it probably feels nice. Yeah, the headache thing I could maybe see. The invention of it is generally attributed to one of two men. There was an English doctor named Joseph Mortiver Granville, and there was a French doctor named Romaine Vigaroo. I just have a gut feeling about which of those two men it was. I don't know what it is. I couldn't explain it, but my women's intuition is telling me

that Hroman Vicaru invented the vibrator. It's possible to say though. Now, you'll note that even with these incredible leaps, the three leaps in the technology that we had in 30,000 years. And that brings us all the way to today. That's right. They're still sort of painfully shackled to like a physical mechanism, you know, there's something sort of clunky about them. But we actually managed to overcome that in the 1970s. Which I'm sure, I'm sure you would have heard about this. You'd obviously remember it. I'm I'm just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to their their their their today today. today. today. today. today. today. to to to to to to to to to to their to to tothat in the 1970s, which I'm sure you would have heard about this. You'd obviously remember it, but I'm just reading it to you for fun. You remember how you said that yours

was in January of 1973? Yes. Well, by crazy coincidence, mine's in September of 1974, which is close-ish. It's sort of... That's kind of close. Right on the button. I mean, when we're talking in scales of 30,000 years, the fact that we both arrived at a thing that took place within like a year and a half of each other, or two years of each other, pretty cool. Pretty cool.

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I was the protagonist for a while and I discovered they couldn't go through water because I was in a big public toilet. We had several of them swept in and killed everybody. But I was hiding by hanging from the outside wall of a cubicle over the urinal. They couldn't cross the urinal to get to me. It took some convincing of other survivors that my story was true. The title was cubed because the aliens left big cubes of sand on beaches everywhere. I was also in my grandma's old house holding the DVD of this movie. Oh.

I mean it shares a common ancestor with signs, I think. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, that's my dream about the movie, Cubed. Can I give you a quick, Ben No-Seas? Ben Sees. I don't know why the I would still be there. I had a dream last night that, uh,

uh, Maddie and I got a rescue horseshoe crab like as another pet except it was like three feet tall was fucking massive and in the dream Louis and the horseshoe crab were best friends like they would just play around the house I can I can imagine it and like the one detail that really sticks out to me is that they would like curl up to sleep together at night. But one of Louis's moves that he does is that he wants to sleep next to you for your body warmth but sometimes he does it a little too vigorously and he'll actually flop all 40 kilos of his body weight onto you. And we had to no no no no no no you can't do that because the whole shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe shoe. You the whole. You the whole. You the whole. You the whole. You the whole. You the whole. You the whole. You the whole. You. You the whole. You the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the toe. toe. to to to to to to to to to to 't do that because the horseshoe crab is quite fragile and his crustaceany armor will break. Wonderful thank you so much.

Fun to imagine try to, I don't know why I was thinking about horseshoe crabs. Howe Vuxpress, that's this man's name, his first name is Howe, it's H-O-W, and that is, yeah. How Vuxpress talks about it as if it were a monolith from 2001. How, that's his whole first name, has luxuriant black hair, immense mutton-chopped sideburns, and a gentle inward expression as if he's keeping quiet about a surprise party. I don't know about you, but I'm picturing him as working Phoenix in inherent vice. Yeah, except he invented the cube that sucks you off. Yeah, he invented the cube that in a way blows you off. His monolith is the, quote, audatic, no, or-attack sonic stimulator. It's

a sort of limited access loudspeaker for every part of your body except the ears. Quote, the Beatles on your back, Bartok on your belly, Croons an tac leaflet, Beethoven, between your legs. Yeah. Yep. What about Dillinger escape plan on your doodle? Yeah. It's the first series of, quote, tactile communication devices, how thinks are going to revolutionize

our society as much as television has. At the moment, the papa of the revolutionary device is sitting tight. This is written in the early 70s. I just want to... Yeah. Yeah. Stupid. Not one sonic stimulator has been sold for fear of interference on his patent applications. But on the morning after Richard Nixon's resignation, he kindly consented to give Rolling Stone's unbiased test panel a demonstration of the device, plus unlimited glasses of apple juice.

Doesn't this give such a beautiful sense of time and place? You know the historic day after Richard Nixon's presentation? Doesn't this give such a beautiful sense of time and place? You know, the historic? Day after Richard Nixon's presentation. And the specific? He gave us apple trues while we were at his house. It's so wonderful. The sonic stimulator idea is simple.

The ear is a specialized organ for transmitting sound signals to the brain. But since sound is merely physical vibration, any pressure-sensitive organ can quote here. Yeah. Which is just kind of like abusing like the specific meaning of the word here. Like you're also using it to mean feel in this context. Yeah, I kind of feel like the ear does an important sort of extra thing of turning it into... It tuns feeling into hearing. It the the the pressure pressure pressure pressure. Any pressure pressure. Any pressure. Any pressure. Any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any, any pressure, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, any pressure, to to to to to to the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the pressure-s, the pressure-s, the pressure-s, the pressure-s, the pressure-s, the pressure-s, the pressure-s, the pressure, important sort of extra thing of turning it into... It turns feeling into hearing. Into hearing. Yeah, that's what those tiny little hairs are for. Whereas this turns feeling into feeling. Yes, there, it doesn't have the crucial middle step that the ear provides. The ears blessing we call it. Yeah, imagine if your peroneum could hear though.

If this perennium could hear. Yeah, what stories would it? Would it have heard? Yeah. Imagine if it could hear and talk. Now there's a sitcom. One perennium. That's the name of the sitcom.

It's the only character. The palm of the hand, for instance, very good, says how, good high fire reception because of its abundance of nerve endings, or the groin. Also good for the same reason and because of the various internal organs nearby, each with its own complement of senses. The elbows and knees are good listeners to because they readily transfer sound vibrations to the skeleton thus sending messages from all over the body. So he puts groin right in the middle. Yeah, not even though it's kind of extremists. It's like the main event. Either put it last or first I probably last, probably last, work up yeah. You don't want people to get disappointed from the rest of the list. I guess I guess you can blast last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last last the the the then. It's then. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort sort the the the the the the the the to the to their to disappointed for the rest of the list. I guess you can blast my knees as well, but I'm kind of thinking about.

It's sort of like the opposite of when are they going to get to the firework factory? They've been to a firework factory. And now we're just sort of cruising around downtown. The experience is a little like being at a live concert on about 12 square inches of your body. Okay. Maybe on your body. Yeah. Taking my nuts to deer hoof. Are you getting more shook up? The music is faintly audible to the ears, but the air in the probe is pummeling your flesh like a concert hall speaker. Okay. That does sound nice. Yeah. I just say I love the sound of just being sort of blasted by very loud sound,

but not being deafened by it, I think would be very nice. How can envision, I keep going to fuck up these sentences because how, his name is also the word how. Yeah. So you're going to start it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as it as to to to sound as to sound as to sound as to sound as to sound as to sound as to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound to sound to sound to sound to sound to sound sound to sound sound to sound sound sound to sound sound to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound sound. to sound. to sound sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound. to to sound. to to to sound. to to to sound. to sound. to sound. to sound sound. to sound sound sound. to sound sound. to fuck up these sentences because how, his name is also the word how. Yeah. So you're going to start it as a question. How can envision a setup that would cover the entire body with sound vibrations but would make so little audible noise that the landlady would never know the film all was going on upstairs. Yeah, I mean, so to headphones. A better system would involve having the hose filled with liquid instead of air.

Yeah, I mean you could just pump the pump it through like a bath or something, right? Yeah, which would still... Oh you wouldn't hear it nearly as good from outside of the water would you? Yeah, probably not. Oh yeah, says how. I've played with it in the bathtub. But you end up with such a mess. Who hasn't? It's a long and winding road that has led this 29-year-old from being an aeronautics major at Brooklyn Tech to an audio inventor in a tiny and incredibly compact San Francisco apartment stuffed with electronics paraphernalia, even in the kitchen.

Fortunately, how Voxpress is equipped to understand it. He's into Alan Watts, dynamical analogies, basic psychophysical processes, the concept of unity. I feel like he's incapable of handling anything. Understanding things on the level where essential difference disappears between, say, sound and electricity. Yeah. I feel like if you're working, but I don't know. He should probably maybe have a more concrete understanding, but hey, he's the guy that invented the cube. Yeah, he kind of came up with the cube that kind of makes your nuts vibrate. Yeah, and that's, it's changed society more than TV, so that was, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to thin, thin, thi. thi. thi. thi. that's it's changed society more than TV so that was good good work on his part. As he recounts his life story he regularly

pauses to summon up in terms of larger processes such as quote so my interest in audio went through these stages reproduction recording synthesis multimedia. They're like just they're looking at the door kind of checking their watch like do we get to fuck ourselves with the hose again or? Yeah, when you had a blast us with the hose. Got to keep listening to this. During a trip to London in 1966, he was inspired to revive his childhood dream of being an inventor when he saw a museum exhibit of the famous, of the prothe prototypes of famous inventions. Back in New York, he scurried around in audio technology,

something he'd returned to after Cooper Union. Then he fell into a situation that changed his life. It was 1969 on the Lower East Side. And as he says, quote, hair was in the streets, not on the stage. Hair was in the streets, not on the stage. So before Hair the Musical, people... Is he saying that people were embodying the lifestyle depicted in hair,

but in real life, or just that people were generally hairier. That's where the hair was. Yeah. One of the unique institutions cast up by the wild ferment of those days was a sort of psychedelic playground called cerebrum. I think you'd really enjoy cerebrum, Theo. Let me describe it to you. 56 customers at a time would spend a couple of hours wearing translucent white robes, being fed strawberry soaked in wine and playing with touchy-feely toys like giant

balloons, lying under collapsed tents of parachute material and stroking each other with hand lotion. It's pure luxury. The addition of a low-key light show and music made it what was dubbed a censorium. Sure. Okay. Can you imagine? You put on your translucent robe, you get real comfy, you're being hand-fed strawberries, soaked in wine, you're rubbing other people, you're feeling some lovely balloons? God, there just isn't enough. Like, man, you're couldn't do that these days. I was thinking about onsen's the other day. And just the experience of being like publicly bathing because it fucking rocks. Yeah.

It's dope. You just go and sit in a big hot pool of water. Watch some snow monkeys. I want that so bad. It's so good. But instead I'm writing Python. Yeah. Yeah. That's what society did to us. That's what they did to us. Howe was brought in to fix the sound system. He was also a cerebrum quote guide. I don't want to know what that means. No I don't want to know either. Cerebroom eventually folded a victim of cash flow problems and in Howe's opinion, an inability

to interest customers in returning. It's kind of odd that you go there once, don't want to come back. You're absolutely burnt out on pleasure. All of my pleasure receptors just can't feel shit anymore. Quote, somebody called those the go-go years, he recalls. It was a wild time. People were trying anything. I got into all the senses. I was inventing atomizers. I still have a scent library. It was at that time that I got the original acid flash of multimedia, the idea of two-way

tactile communication over a distance, carrying it to its most outrageous extension, a fuck by phone machine. in... Yes, he is... so this is what got me started on it, and let me hear is he is the guy sort of officially, sort of officially, not that anyone is really doing this in an official capacity, but he's the guy generally recognized with inventing the concept of telodilodonics. Tellos yonics, yeah, it's the word telodayx. The guy that coined the word telodilodonics cited what this guy was talking about as the reason he was thinking about telodilodonics. So this guy is the father of telodilodonics. Yeah.

Yeah. That is everything I have about that guy, except I have two little bonus facts for you. One actually not really a fact. It's just a quote from an article from SF Weekly. I believe San Francisco, not science fiction, hard to say. They got him to sort of give a soundbite to an article about a very old patent Fatalid Dildonix lapsing. And he was talking about how he doesn't like modern sex robots. And I just really like this one paragraph. Here we go.

You don't need a robot, how Express says. These big fucking machines with hydraulics, they're so crude. It's just a suck and fuck kind of thing, which is boring. Eroticism is barely understood. That's so beautiful. What robots are you describing? A $7,000 sex robot sold by True Companion LLC. Yeah, it doesn't sound good. And the other bonus fact that I have for you is sort of corollary to this I was looking at

sex toys for penises. Yeah. Just to see what penises. Yeah. Just to see what the history of that is. Do you know that the fleshlight wasn't patented until 1998? So as in like a, as an original concept, the like a tube of latex that you can fuck? Yeah, as far as I can tell, there isn't really an equivalent of that style device before the flashlight. 1998, it's not that long ago. Because I was probably fucking the

gap between mattresses in 1998. Could have been a hundred billion dollars. If you'd had one more thought. It's not the same. It's not the first artificial thing. It's not the first... Doesn't work, by the way. It's not the same. It's not the first artificial vagina though, the artificial, yeah, like an artificial vagina you can have sex with. The earliest references we have to one, apparently, as in one that is like a... Not just replicating the sensation, but sort of replicating the appearance of, there are some French texts from as early as 1904 referencing realistic vaginas on blow-up dolls. Like 120 years ago we had the blow-up doll. Isn't that fucking crazy? Now it's a joke. You don't really hear about those anymore. Like every movie from like the 70s to the 90s had a blow-up doll gag in there.

And now... People were fucking them? People? I guess people were fucking them, but it can't have been good. There's no way. We've come so far as society. Yeah, I don't even know if they were really that... Just to mimic a fraction of the vagina's true power.

Yes, the divine feminine energy. Penis perfectly replicatable. 30,000 years ago, Buddha knew about this. Yeah, this polish a bit of siltstone. Yeah. I wonder what the uptake on the blob doll was like, kind of been good. There's future Theophiles, maybe. I'll look into that. I'll look into that.

Don't you look into it. Hey, that was definitely an episode of the Theophiles. Thank you so much for joining us. We've got a live show coming up. Yeah. It's on June 15th. It's in beautiful Brisbane, Queensland. I think it's going to be very good. You you you you you you you you you you you you th you th. You th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. thi. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's to. It's to. to. It's to. to. It's to. to. You might be hearing this in early May if you're

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