Brain Soda Podcast - Episode 48 - You Can Do It Put Your Asteroid Into It

Episode Date: January 20, 2024

This week we're talking about one of the most influential people to come out of the early hip-hop scene, Ice Cube! We're also discussing the largest object found in the asteroid belt, Ceres!

Remember the canterberry. Brain soda. It's the Brain Soda Podcast. I, as always, am your host Kyle. Joined by my co-host and cohort Brad how's it going? Frog will not be able to join us today due to some family engagements today

We're gonna be talking about series, but first Brad. Yes, you know how we do it right? Oh, I mean this is how we do no This is how we do it really though. You know how we do it. How do we do it? Well, honestly, we kind of do it like we're steady Marvin right okay, because today was a good day today was a good day and I think sometimes people just need to like drink a cool A Oh, okay now, but instead they want to come in with no Vaseline and Police that's NWA an ice cube property. Well, yes today We're gonna be talking about ice cube one of the most important

Rappers and I would almost argue Musicians in modern music history. Did you say actor too? Can't forget actor man. We're gonna get into that. That's exactly what I was about to lean into is that just musically for a moment I want to take a moment to say this guy and the period of time we're gonna start talking about is honestly like some of the most important things to happen to hip hop in the time frame that happens, which is still very early in that genre's like inception. Yeah. But conversely like that genre of music becomes so important to the 30 years or whatever it is at this point after it, it's almost

compounded the level of influence and importance that this work has. And trust me dude, like it is critically inclined and influential, notably even within its time. And this is before a 40 plus film career that this guy launches like right after becoming solo. Really? Like early? Yeah. We're gonna talk about it. So in 86, Oshay Jackson is a guy who is like living White after becoming solo. Really? Like early? Yeah. We're gonna talk about it.

So in 86, O'Shea Jackson is a guy who is like living in and around Compton. He's graduated from high school. He actually has a degree in architectural drafting like as a fallback. But he was a part of an early rap group called CIA. He was already going by the name of Ice Cube. He had already been kind of dealing with

in different ways, EZE and Dr. Dre in the formation of NWA. Largely, you can see to levels of embellishment we don't necessarily need to discuss here today in the movie straight out of confidence. Yeah, well, obviously, like all those movies, like some of them are great, but they're always not. They're half truths, right?

They're always a little slanted, right? And I definitely think that by the end of that film, when EZ's dying of AIDS, and like, there's no mention of the fact that like, EZ's making money off Jre's records, and like, bone thugs and harmony is one of the biggest, groups, Dre and Ice Cube are the guys who are writing and coaching easy to become a rapper while he's trying to get out of the streets and they're developing what I want to go on to kind

of argue is one of the most important rap groups of all time and one of the most important rap albums of all time in straight out. I don't think you need to argue that. Like, I think that's pretty well said. I'll do that. Literally every drink tramp they can ask you, Wu Tang or N.W. What?

Pretty much. Like, this shit is top tier influential, massively consumed, even for a genre that's like notably broken into the market at the point that we're discussing it and vastly more so going forward, right? Well, first of all, you said Wu Teng versus NWA. I don't really see that because Wu Teng's later, is it not? It's just what they can bring up in Dreamcats.

Oh, okay. I don't really get why they compare it other than super influential group that like even if you want to be like, we'll argue about who's got the better people like Rizzaj, Method Man, ODB, Versus, Ice Cube, Dre, Easy. I mean, I'd say NWA over, but that's just me. But exactly, right, yeah. I mean, there's two different time periods though, in my eyes. It's actually like late 80s versus like early to mid 90s. Okay, right.

So yeah, like it's not the same time period though, still. They are definitely separated. Now, I would say one would have to crawl for the other to walk. Sure, sure. During this time, Ice Cube is the focal point and for runner, when we're talking about the lyrical musicianship that happens within NWA, right?

Like, and it's not necessarily just easy, from all parties intel, he was able to write rhymes for arguably probably a little bit of everybody in there. If not in like consulting with people who were writing their own rhymes, but directly writing rhymes for like, say, Dres. Ice who was? Yes. Yeah. Because like, yeah, because Dres, does he write a lot of his rhymes? I feel like he

doesn't. He may have a ghost writer, but even if you just look at the amount of music laid out between one of these guys to the extent. Yes. Well, I mean, he's definitely a producer, but yeah. By this point, the album has come out, and NWA is reaching a skyrocketing success that realistically, as far as hip hop goes, who is succeeding at this level at this point, right?

Like KRS1, Rock him, Rundi MC, public enemy, that very well may be it. BC boys? BC boys, probably yeah, I would think so. This is still when MTV and YoMTV wraps and modern wrap radio and stuff like that is really able to like break into the groundswell of modern pop culture, right? Like, at 88 I believe is one of the first years that the Grammys ever acknowledged a rap record or an award or anything of that nature.

Well, no, that's messed up, man. But yeah, because Raspenter Antoine was like the 70s, right? 75. Well, this year in 2023, they're saying is the 50s or 73, right? Yeah, okay. Right. By the end of the 80s, NWA has become one of the most successful rap groups, right? From fresh prints to public enemy, in the entirety of hip hop, there has been a ground swell in the modern pop culture, and by this point, NWA, although like the most controversial artists

in hip hop of its time, are arguably like some of its biggest artists of its time. Then the money dispute happens. Jerry Heller had made the deal with EZE who had the money due to various level like you know street dealings and things like that. By street like he was a drug dealer. He was a drug dealer who got out of the streets after a close personal friend family member of his head died and like Dre and Hugh were kind of the guys who were there to catch him in the windfall. He was like the seed money to get them to get going. He also was super influential by being a guy

watching the audience and stuff like that that shows me like walking in and looking like a dude who just came out of the street who may or may not be packing Eat and saying real and cussin and talking dirty and do it whatever that's what the people like again You can see this in the film at the time the clubs that they were performing in even Dre was headlining as like the DJ for that club They were playing things like prints, you know, ready for the world, Romeo and things like that. Like this was the funk R&B era. Only a few years before hip hop wrote and rap and hip hop, as we know what influencing modern music as we know it today happens, right?

Like, that is what is happening musically in the black culture. And within our culture here in America and overall as well, the West, but predominantly in black neighborhoods in clubs like the One Drey and those got lawnsows, I believe it's the same. Yeah. Well, I mean, like it completely shaped the entire music scene, like hip hop, it changed everything, for sure.

And I skew was part of that, yeah. Yes. But this hip hop, that's specifically, yeah. Even though we're talking about 1989, goes on to influence rap that's still being played and made today in 2023, but arguably once shot over black music, hip hop and general and overall, until like 1997.

Yeah, man, because like, I mean, if you think about it, that's how it kind of goes. It goes NWA and then the East West Coast, and then like, you know, M&M and low A&M and all that. Right. At this point, the money is kind of up for dispute where ice cubes kind of looking at all these sold out. Shows the fact that the record and the band itself is as big as it is yet. And they're making money, but like realistically they probably should have a bit more money. And there was also some stuff that I think he could tell like

between the way easy had things by being the guy who was running ruthless records or whatever it may be. Eventually, contracts come out, he's not gonna sign, breaks out and goes for his own. Over the money dispute. There's two records, one being an EP, one being an LP that happens after Q believes, and then I think it's pretty much Dre goes,

I'm out this mother with shug and we're going. You know what I mean? Like it's off to the races for Death Row. Yeah, yeah, except for that Dre, yeah. Predating that because that's Dre, that's Death Row, that's NWA and that's a whole different story really. And that's what I find to be so interesting is just this story alone is so interesting.

We could do our half hour segment on it. Oh, for sure. But next, this guy goes, and it already been kind of collaborating and touching based with guys out in the East Coast because he looks to Chuck D and public enemy and looks at their production team, Bombsplod, and he produces a

with three Ks. America's most wanted. It is a landmark album for gangster rap and G funk like overall. Even though technically this is not that sound, this is East Coast, hardcore rap production, right? This is PE. This is public enemies production team for the most part, but this is kind of what diversifies that sound base from a hundred miles and running that second NWA EP and straight out of confidence, right? Like it lays the groundwork things going forward after that and It's the first in like kind of a quadrilogy.

So he's considered G funk? I feel like he's more like gangster rap. Well, that is gangster rap. But the difference being is, are your samples going to be of an early 80s rap song and like big boom and bass behind it? Or are your samples gonna be Parliament Funkadelic And you're laying it with some smooth strings and stuff like that

Today was a good day. Yeah, I guess today was a good day And in plenty of other songs though think about no Vaseline itself. I don't know if I've heard that song I don't know if I've heard that song Bound put the pound put down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah The pound put the pound put that it's it's old funk and like R&B cut in for samples and like that is beats and These four albums lethal injection predator America's most wanted and Death certificate are like honestly man like some of the most important stuff of this guy's career it's some of the most critically claimed

stuff of this guy's career and like literally in short order we're about to talk about like what some people later on will only know this guy for his film career because in 1990 he's approached to play Doe Boy and boys in the hood. Okay, so this is when he gets his acting career going then. Right, but I'm telling you, it is a super prolific one. Oh yeah. Because this guy's appearing like over 40 movies.

No, he's definitely made it. So movies. I mean Friday is probably one of the best, like, I don't know, like, hood movies I guess. Like, as a white person. So like one of the other early films that he does is a film called Trust Pass. Ice Cube and Ice T are two like gang member type guys who go off to this secluded area while Phil Paxton and William Sadler are also going to that area looking for gold.

They've been like intercept each other, them trying to evade the other group of the gold. Those guys trying to evade Paxton Sadler because they killed the guy out here and cube they they have this role for him and then they wanted him to be in another hood movie. And he was like, I'm gonna get Typecast doing this. Like, I can't, he's playing in, I think they wanted him to be in Minnesota. He's Typecast it now is the like, gangster dad turned like, you know, good guy that's not hard you about that point of it but when you're early on in your acting and you're already portraying a gang member exactly yes for sure for sure likes cube is a guy who very easily could portray that lifestyle and get

away with it but but otherwise has said in interviews and other media, I did live that. He did it? Okay. My cousins did. Maybe this guy had had some level of interaction other than straight up. Sure.

You know, right. But like the guy went to the Phoenix Institute of Technology and got the architectural drafting degree. Like my dad had my In the house at 1030. Yeah, well, it's like two-pock. Yeah, most most rappers honestly did not live that life There's very there's there is a there's a lot that did but you know, there's a lot that didn't too He's worried about getting pigeonholed in in a particular roles, right? So that's where he gets inspired to go right

Friday. Really? Yes. Okay. I think I knew that he wrote Friday, but like, still, that is crazy. That is real Friday. Because it is a great movie, man. Recently, we've talked about parody films and our love of Don't Be a Menace, right? And I feel like that and Friday come from like the same heartstring and across three different people because apparently Ice Cube looks at DJ Poo like another member of his long-term production team, right? And he goes like, man, you got menace to society and you got South Central and you got this,

you got that, it was really a bad bad when we were coming up because like yeah there were a lot of bad and like mind you when I say revolutionary g funk it's because this guy is making consciousness driven politically aggressive rap like yes I see you're saying like was that his character more like what he experienced then? Is that like, because he does, like he is not like gangster in the movie, you know, he's like outside of it. And like, doesn't want to be a part of it, you know. Right, I think Craig is supposed to be, oh, Shay Jackson.

I do think Craig and Ice Cube are parallels between one another. Even if Ice Cube's raps make him sound more like Divo nine times out of 10. Exactly. But that's yeah. IRL Ice Cube's Craig, even if Ice Cube IRL has to always act when he's Divo in his rap since like that. Right. Until he does that Sesame Street came. You know, you know, until until he's started are we there yet you know so he comes out with Warren piece of 98 which has been his first solo CD since 93's the lethal injection okay Warren pieces a dual album by the way and it it features things like get a vet, it features things like you can do it.

Yes, okay. And while it is not maybe like the most commercially successful or the most currently claimed, it definitely does show a variety in what this guy is. But this is like around the time that I became aware of him, even though how young I was probably I shouldn't have been aware of him. No, absolutely, it is true, right. You have the sequel the Friday in which that song you can do it is heavily featured. But also around this time, you have the West Side connection, Matt 10 WC. So like, now he's really kind of

leaned into the gang banger, kind of like persona and element in this music. And he's dealing with Matt Tann, a well-known blood rapper, Doug C, a well-known crypt rapper, and they're kind of like playing off that. And even, again, we talk about the hit songs and the great stuff that comes from NWA and Ice Cube's discography and the love itself. And I gotta say, what side connection has a bunch of bangers too, man? Jump back, then make a music,

and then like kind of concurrently run around doing films because while those two records have came out, he's had films released like the Players Club which is actually a film that he made his direct tutorial debut in. Three Kings of Mark Wahlberg and George Clooney. I think both of those, yeah. He's not really stopping by any means. Anacondas came and went by 96 right like Anaconda back. Oh my god. Oh, you know that when I started coming across I was like oh

It's a good movie though. Oh, it's a total B movie. It's locked, but it's a good shot movie right exactly Right, so what we're not was getting at before though, is in 2006, this album in particular, we're gonna come out right now. And it doesn't have the song that you were talking about during the cool, like that's a little bit later. And that's still a good album. I believe it's either I am the west of Rockwood,

either way, I do think those albums you should check out, if not, at very least that single. My suggestion for this week for what you should check out is our media suggestion that we try to give is laugh now cry later. It's a 2006 release and like it's it's got a little bit more current and relevant subject matter. Although I don't know if there's ever a point this guy doesn't have current of it subject matter, right? Current to that time. I mean

yeah but Rodney King still fits when Brianna Taylor happens and things like that right like there's a parallel between what this guy's talked about in the 80s to the 2010s and in between. I feel like this album encapsulates its political messaging on the time. It's pretty adjacent to its political messaging overall for his career and kind of currently today, right? But like overall it's got a great list of tracks producers and just I Think it's something that like maybe you don't want to go out and check out the early And maybe it's also famous that I shouldn't have to tell you to check it out But I feel like this album may not be.

And if it is or isn't either way, it's damn good. And I want you guys to check it out. One thing that kind of makes me think about, like you might only know about this one thing but you should know about more of it is the Astray Belt. And- Ooh, okay. It's series is part of the Astray Belt.

And like I think most people know about the Astray Belt nowadays. Like I don't think that it's like, they know of the Astray Belt. They don people know about the asteroid belt nowadays like I don't think that it's like they know of the asteroid belt They don't know about the asteroid belt Yes, and series is actually the largest object in the asteroid belt Technically a dwarf planet inside the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter now that's what Pluto is classified as now as well as a dwarf planet correct Exactly, and we'll get into the dwarf planet thing and all that. Because that's one of the reasons why I wanted

to go over series was because I wanted to touch back on Pluto a little bit. And maybe with some people with cover Pluto as a whole too. But I'd like to. Yeah. Yeah, so let's get into it. See, yeah. The reason why I did want to talk about series

because I did episode one, I really wanted to touch back on that mostly. I mean, we did talk about Pluto a little bit. No, man, I've won episodeless that. Anyways, I'll admit, I have started reading the expanse series and watching the TV show too. And it's got me thinking a lot about space, you know, human civilization in space. And I want to talk about that a little bit later, but it's just, it's really maybe thinking like, series is really, it could be a potential like base, you know, that we could, we could launch off of or even harness, you know, the resources from that to get farther

out into space, honestly. So is this like something that has to be Sam's moon or Mars base? Like, we have to land and platform at Mars or Moon to get there. Or do you think this is a straight shot? No, I mean, we could do straight shot, but like yeah cuz really it's not I mean it is farther than Mars I can't say it's not part of the Mars, but you know, but like terribly farther than Mars. It depends first Let's talk about series because yeah, it's a really cool dwarf planet planet Maybe or asteroid depending on you know who you are or what you think it is

Shoulders shrug as I speak right yeah, right So I'm gonna call it a dwarf planet though. That's what the international astronomical union calls it, is a dwarf planet. So that's what I'm gonna call it. I mean, it kind of sounds like they might know a thing or two about this. Yeah, they like set, you know, all like the different

parameters and stuff, like, you know, the naming and the nomically, I guess is what naming is called. I mean, isn't it like the definite logistic says to what makes planet versus dwarf planet as well? Like, yeah. Yeah, so we'll get into what makes the dwarf planet, dwarf planet, and a planet, or more so what makes a planet a planet? Series though, it's actually comes from the name of the Roman goddess of agriculture, you know, that's kind of like if you didn't know most all celestial bodies are either named after Greek or Roman gods. I think they have to all be named after a god or goddess, right?

But most of them are Greek or Roman, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I would think so, right? And like by that point, enough astrology has like permeated through the time that, if they had known of it, they had named a god after it. Exactly, that's kind of why, because we come from Greek and Roman,

of the kind of culture in a way, the Europeans do, right? But yeah, so it comes in around like 584 miles in diameter, 939 kilometers. And it's the largest object in the asteroid belt, like I said. And it comprises about 40% of the entire mass of the belt. So it's almost half of the mass of the belt. Yeah, that's crazy. I never realized that.

Now let me ask you this. I know that I did a lot of Star Fox 64. So this might be conjecture, but isn't entering that asteroid belt. A risk overall just plain as day entering an asteroid belt. Actually, that's like a common misconception. Okay. The asteroid belt is vastly empty because space itself is vastly empty. Thanks, star box.

Yeah, like you would pass through the asteroid belt and probably not even see an asteroid. More than like, like you you would pass through the Astray Belt and probably not even see an Astray more than like like that. Yeah, and I'll be honest once you said the percentage of mass that it alone Occupies series, I was like, well, I guess it can't be like that because that yeah, well, I mean, that's like almost half, right? Exactly, but there is a lot of things, you know, there's lots of asteroids in the belt. It's just that space is so, so big. Like, it's a vast, right? You can't even like really comprehend how big space is. Really, like, no, I can.

Hold on, wait. I know how big it is. It's so fucking big that time doesn't even become time anymore. It becomes distance. You know what I mean? Like, that's how fucking big it is that it can turn distance into time. Kind of in a way, yeah, because I mean like, light, man, like light is instantaneous to us. You know, like when you turn on a light, it's instantaneous. It's not though, it has a speed. It's very, very, very, very fast. Like it's super, super, super, exactly.

It's so fast, but space is so big too, so, right? Yeah, exactly. But seriously, self though, it's really small. It's big for, I guess, an object, if you wanna, if you're gonna put it on top of the earth, it'd be like, the biggest thing by far on earth, it'd be like, you know, the biggest thing by far on earth, it'd be way bigger than Mount Everest

or something like that, right? But it's still like, the earth is 7,900 miles or 12,712 kilometers in diameter. So we're talking 584 miles to 7,900 miles, right? This is like 10 times smaller. And even three times smaller than Pluto too. So I mean, Pluto, you know, it's a little bit bigger, but-

Really, okay, okay. Pluto's 1,477 miles or 2,377 kilometers. But I'm just saying, like yeah, right, because we were saying like the most comparable thing that I would probably know to this would be- Pluto, probably. Pluto, because Pluto is now classified as a door planet as of like, 2009, 2006, 2006.

Yeah, but and like, it's a lot less massive, even less massive than like comparatively in diameter because of its composition. It's 0.0016 as massive as earth. Or you know, like, yeah yeah so or what would that be? 0.016% the as massive as earth is like it's it's wait right it weighs 2.7 times 10 to the 21 pounds or 9.4 times 10 to the 20 kilograms I just I need to pop these stats because I always worry these stats. So I'm going to just say them.

But, um, and, yeah, no, I get it though, right? Exactly. Because like, I mean, even like earthways, 1.3 times 10 to the 25 pounds or 5.97 times that it's 24 kilograms. But like, you know, that doesn't sound like much difference. 10 to the 21 to 10 to the 25. But that's like literally, like the literal condition of orders of magnitude bigger Yeah, you know like this is yeah for you know

It's multiples of it's four or zero. It's like three of Higher. Yeah, it's way bigger Then like and you can go online and see like tons of comparisons stuff between Even it just started a series, like the first picture that shows up, I think, is like a 3D replicate of it from NASA or something. It's pretty cool. So it's 2.9 AU away from the Sun.

And AU is astronomical units. And that is a really easy way to remember it is that it's the distance the Earth is from the Sun. That's one AU. Yeah. And how many AU is it away? 2.98. OK.

Like gravity's kind of the same way. 1G is what the gravity is on Earth. You know, but that's not used. So it's comparable. Well, I mean, only comparable to what we're used to. But like, that's the thing about astronomy, is man, is they try to make it easy. Even though it's crazy complex, they try to make naming

and numbers and things like that as easy as possible. Unlike some things, like yeah. Well yeah, but like with all the insane astronomical figuring you would have to do to like even start to plan anything out as far as getting into let alone occupying things in space. Yeah, it's rocket science. I mean, it is rocket science.

It is literal rocket science. Right mean it is rocket. It is literal rocket You gotta do all this complex math and now like you're dealing in 1 9 trillion gigaflops or whatever exactly like in computers. It's like That I don't want to deal with that My favorite example of that is Black holes they were like all right. We found these things and they're black holes. They were like, all right, we found these things and they're black holes. What should we name them?

Let's call them black holes. Yeah, it's like, yep. Perfect, that's the perfect name for them. Yeah, right, for real though. Like, when you think of that ever winding complexity, yeah, it's the most complex thing in the universe. That 2.98 AU, that's 27 most complex thing in the universe that 2.98 AU that's 277 million miles from from the Sun or 446 million kilometers

So you know pretty dang far. That's what I mean like these bases 277 million miles like that's insane But and the orbit is 4.6 earth years. So like it takes a while to get around the Sun Like this is it's right distant from there like if you were to be sitting I'm serious. I didn't look this up like like the Sun would look like a bright star it might be I Don't know it might be a little bit brighter than a bright star at that distance, but the brightest star Like you know like the Sun to us looks like this giant like fight like what is daylight? It's daylight right? I don't think it's like that on series like if you go to the day I don't know if it's so either. Yeah, yeah, you're three times the distance right I wouldn't think so either now you can't see series with a naked eye from earth

But well, I guess you can if you're like in the darkest spot of earth and you have like the most amplified 40-40 vision. Yeah, like if you have like the best vision in the world and you the perfect sky and the darkest night and everything like that Yes, you can barely make it out, but telescopes obviously can easily pick it up You know like I mean if you can barely see what the naked eye telescopes can see it pretty well then on earth even more So out of space right and And the most powerful telescopes on Earth can almost make out some surface features of it. So like, you know, we can get kind of pretty good resolution of it, I mean, relatively, let's say.

Yeah. And actually, kind of all began in 1772. This particular thing, in 1772, a German astronomer named Johann Eller Boad, created new formula with help of some of the previous work from another German astronomer named Johann Danielle Titius. This formula became known as the Titius Baud law, or formula, and it was able to predict the orbit of pretty much all the planets at the time that were discovered, you know, up to Saturn. That, like, Uranus and Neptune had not been discovered at the time because you need to tell us before it. Right. Okay. So like, but there was this unexplained gap, like the formula, like show that there should be another planet in between Mars and

Jupiter, you know, like there was this unexplained. Right. So this formula predicted that there was something 2.8 AU away from the sun. And if you remember, it average is pretty much it, right. Yeah, and as far as this series was 2.98, it averages around like 2.77, I think you're something like that. Okay, okay. Because like all orbits, by the way, another thing about the solar system is all of our orbits, they're elliptical, first of all,

they're not a perfect circle. They're like a morbid oval shape. Right, I was gonna say they're a little stretched out, right? Yeah, exactly. Yes, and most of the orbits are not exactly like centered, you know, like most of the orbits are kind of off Yeah, they're like a little lopsided to one point or another. Yeah, there's a point where like the planets closer to the Sun And there's a point where the planets far this way William Hershel though I'm a found Uranus in 1781. So this was just a few, like, what, nine years after that,

this formula was created. Right. And it concurred with the formula. It supported it, you know, like it said, oh, yeah, there was something that was supposed to be found of that distance. And boom, there was Uranus, you know. So like it started, it looked good, right?

And then in 1800, a group led by this astronomical journalist named Franz Javier von Zach. What a downer last name as well. Franz Fodenin. Yes. Like the Xavier, or I don't even know Xavier. I don't think because it's X-A-V-E-R Like it's mostly German X

Xavier though, right? Xavier. Yeah, well, I think it there should be an I I think with for X-Ave Yeah, right. He was a journalist Astronomical journalist that he set requests out to 24 astronomers asking them to work together to find out what was in The Tweed Mars a Jupiter, you know, he's like, you know, all you guys probably write together, find out what was in between Mars and Jupiter You know, he's like, you know, all you guys probably might see other, you know, we can do this and He bonds act dubbed it the celestial police, you know this group Man, there should be like a freaking movie

Yeah, yeah The Greenlander Corps man movie. Yeah, exactly. It's probably a bunch of old like, you like like like priest and stuff like that for sure like I mean cuz that is true Yeah, there was probably a bunch of dudes bop around like I better see Jesus the wall because they were the ones that like did a lot of studying like the Universities and stuff like that a lot more were like like the Gregorian calendar Exactly. Yeah, right like it was definitely a point of prominence within church policy exactly. Yeah, yeah, right. Like it was definitely a point of prominence within church policy. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, cuz you wanted to know the heavens, right? Yeah, yeah, they didn't discover series though. They did help and like it's just that the guy that discovered it was like he found it right before He like got invited right they did discover other asteroids though. Palace, Juno and Besta, which were like three of the other Largest type asteroids in the belt, you know, like they're not nearly as large as series, but you know, it almost seems like

the belt, well I think the theory is that the belt would have been a planet, but Jupiter is way too big and like the gravity from Jupiter keeps like, it poles on it too much, so it wasn't able to coalesce into a planet. Okay, okay. Yeah. The opposite of the moon thing, we're like that directly shaping. Exactly. This may have directly prevented it, right? Almost, yeah, definitely. So the guy that discovered it though was Guisepe Piazzi. And he was a Catholic priest at the Academy of Polaro in Sicily, so an Italian guy.

And he discovered it, like I said, before he joined the celestial police. But he did eventually work with the group. He just wasn't invited at the time. He was searching for a star in a zodiac catalog made by another astronomer. And he saw this moving star within the zodiac, or that constellation.

And he's like, well, this is in part of it, obviously. And then he started tracking its orbit. And he got a hold of the group after he was invited and all that. And it did concur with the Tidia's board law. So like almost exactly too. And so they're like, we found it. You know, we found this extra planet.

But once they like checked the magnitude and they're able to do that by looking at the brightness of it and knowing the distance of it because of the way it orbits the sun, right? They can tell the distance of it by that. And then they can see how bright it is relative to other things in the sky. And then from that, they can tell a bigotus. So, like, at this point, this formula has found three different objects, almost like... Well, no, the formula, the formula never found it. It just was like concurling.

Okay. So they weren't using it as a guide. It was just always pretty much on point. Yes. And actually when Neptune was found, it didn't concur with formula. All right. So it actually turned out that this formula was actually just a coincidence. I mean, maybe there was some like some mathematical like resemblance to it, but yeah, it was actually eight AU closer. Wow, okay, that's crazy. But still, it's just crazy. Like this was the whole reason why it started being. Look at all that, you know, like so.

And when you think about how accurate it was in those other instances versus like the one inaccuracy I had. Exactly, and I didn't look into why, because there might be a reason why. Like there might be some like gravitational reason why. Right. Yeah. So like I said, like series was first thought

to be a planet, you know, like so they were thinking, oh, this is that, you know, a new planet almost. And like it was thought of as a planet, to almost the 1950s. They did start discovering more smaller objects in the asteroid belt. But that didn't like make them think that series wasn't a planet because like, it is a bigger object, you know, like you can see it. Right.

These other objects are like tiny, dim little things, you know, like they're not. So actually this is actually a perfect time to talk about what makes a planet a planet. Because it like I said in 2006, this is one of the debate around Pluto being a planet was starting to really like, well, this is what I was like, right let's settle this okay and the international astronomical union came together and they start they're like all right let's classify what a planet is you know and that you can't think man this is 2006 right so this is yeah that's that's crazy 200 something years after this thing I mean this is in our lifetimes right you know like this is not this is literally when we were in high school bro yeah 17 years ago man like this is in our lifetimes, right? You know, like, this is not this. This is literally when we were in high school, bro.

Yeah. 17 years ago, man, like, this is not very long ago. And this is what, like, pretty much what made Neil the Grass Tyson famous, I would say. Is it really? I mean, it's on the way. Oh, okay. Kind of, like, that's like,

because he was like one of the big, he was in the IAU and everything like that. So, like, he was, yeah. I always thought he was famous in that circle. He was like the disseminator of, like, hey guysos on a planet anymore kind of or like the one of the people I like back to he like he like did wrote the Federalist papers of the Pudos on a planet Exactly. Yeah, so they classified a planet as a celestial body that has sufficient mass for its own gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium shape.

And what all that means essentially is that it's route, that it, you know, I was going to say it's a sphere. Exactly. Yeah, that makes a spherical type structure because it's more like, it's I don't think it's egg-shaped almost or like a squeeze. Yeah, that's right. It doesn't have to necessarily be a person's round ball. But it's like gravity gets so like you know there's so much mass where eventually gravity will start like crunching this object into a circular shape. You know that's like yeah. So that's one of

the things. So it has to have that which series does does have and Pluto has to. And it also has to be in orbit around a star and is neither a star nor a satellite of a planet. So series and Pluto, well, kind of have that Pluto almost has that because it kind of orbits it and it's moon, kind of orbit each other. Right. It's the same size. So that kind of disqualifies Pluto, but we can still call it, I guess, right. Yeah. It orbits the Sun, right? So at that point, that's where they were going to add it. They're like, okay, this is that's what a plan means. But some people, whatever I didn't look into, I didn't read all about this exact meeting. But they added one additional requirement that blue booted Pluto and series out and that was it has to clear the neighborhood around its orbit And I think I mentioned this an episode one. Yeah, I believe you did too and the moon that exactly

Corridor, the moon one, yes Yes, so it has to you know, there can't be anything in its orbital path with that would like We you know if the thing is big enough, it's going to suck up everything around its orbit, you know, or relatively- Right. Pull it into a tournament. Yeah, you know, so like, neither of those did that, and that's what booted it out for being a planet, and that's what classified a Mest War of planets, because they, I mean,

and really they're not, they're small little things, you know? Mercury's small too, though, but like it's still bigger. Do you think art of it was they didn't want to add series? So they were like, I don't think so. Okay. I really don't. No, I really think they're just like, we can't call Pluto a planet. Now that we know more about astronomy and the solar system. What a planet actually entails. They're like, no, it's not really, they're not really planets. Even though we thought they were in the past, they're not. And like, I agree with them that. But they're like, no, it's not really, they're not really planets. Even though we thought they were in the past, they're not. And like, I agree with them that.

But they're like, they're still planets. And like, okay, we're going to get it, like, I want to get into the discussion in a second, but they're still planets in my eyes. They're just dwarf planets, right? That is true. And planetary geologists in even NASA still classify it and Pluto as a planet. So like the debates still in the air, but like, I mean, it's their dwarf planets, right? Right?

All right, so and it's a rocky dwarf planet. So let's get into its composition, right? It's a rocky dwarf planet with silicates and carbonyts, which are like pretty much what make up Earth, right? Quartz and, you know, sand and things like that. Okay, okay. There's a ton of ice on it, though, way more than Earth, actually up to 10% of its poles are ice.

And it's approximately 50% water by Bali, even though it's 73% by mass of rock. But that's crazy, right? Yeah, so it's essentially half, you know, like if you, the volume of it half of it is water. Rock weighs more, so it's more massive. So this is really comparable to earth? No, actually earth, believe it or not, is only 0.1% water. But what I'm saying is that we're looking at ice caps.

It's like a giant comet. It's almost a giant comet. Right. It's a lot more similar to a comet than earth. But it does have some mantle or bleed to because they can really like do like a much crazy science. Right. Now I'm going to get into it. It's core is likely a saltwater brine. So like it doesn't have like a molten core. It doesn't have a molten core. That's crazy. But it's saltwater though. You know, so that sounds dope. So pirate planet son. Yeah, like yes, that's in the expanse it is almost.

And I mean, you need a, there is organic compounds found on series two, but they're like basically organic compounds. And if you have carbon and oxygen, you're gonna have organic compounds essentially. Right, right. Just cause there's organic compounds doesn't mean like there's life or anything.

But so in the 90s though, NASA started something called the Discovery Program, which was created to do a bunch of low cost science projects or missions, right? They were like, let's just like throw out a bunch of in the space, they're like, do a bunch of science stuff that would the public and everything interested into the space again, you know? And it did really like, right, right. One of these things though, and the main thing they really wanted to do was to send a spacecraft out to explore the Astray though.

Like all things, astronomical. Funding was like, right, yeah. But yeah, so it wasn't until 2004 that the project received the money that it needed to finally get it moving on to build the spacecraft, right? Was that the year that they got their double-inch to? James Webb. Maybe it was around that time. Yeah, cuz oh I think Bush did push a lot of NASA stuff man. If I'm not mistaken Bush was pretty good for the space. Oh yeah, mother Space satellites for them. That space force man. That space force Three years later. It took I mean which is relatively quick for NASA and again these are you know low costs like quick things right September

27th 2007 dawn the space craft was launched to visit Vesta and series Vesta is like the second biggest asteroid in the asteroid belt So I guess that first visit to Vesta it stayed in orbit around it for 13 months. So just like it flew out to Vesta and then just like, you know, it got caught by its gravity probably slowed down before. Right. And then it just kind of, you know, it circled around Vesta for 13 months. And then after that, it used its engine to move out of Vesta's orbit and then again, get gravitationally caught by series. And the engine was kind of cool though.

It had an eye on an engine. And I always remember kind of cool though. It had an Ion engine. And I always remember Bill and I telling me about this when I was younger, and high school and stuff. It's an engine, it uses electricity, and it just shoots out ions out of the back, it just charged particles, which if you listen to the period of cable, you'll learn about that a little bit. I'm not sure.

Yeah. So like, yeah, just shoots those out. Like essentially just ejecting mass or charged particles out of the back of it And that causes to move. Yeah, that's really all you need in space is just Moving that little bit of report. Yeah, right slow going, you know, but like it does it's the it's the slow or the slow and steady way of Acceleration, right? It's like let's slowly build the acceleration over time. We'll get there You know, and it's low energy and it's good for small spacecrafts, you know,

because they don't weigh as much as bigger ones. Right. Yeah. And Don was equipped with a camera, visual and infrared spectrometer, and a gamma ray and neutron detectors. So like it had, you know, a good bit of equipment to kind of like measure all the bells and whistles. Yeah, for sure. And like, there's a bunch of great pictures that took a series and like that's where I discovered a lot of like this composition and stuff was from that. It even discovered cryo volcanoes on it, which were like just like volcanoes made from like ejecting water. That sounds so cool. Yeah. And that's they're probably created from the title forces of Jupiter. Like Jupiter's so massive. Wow. Some day we're gonna talk about Jupiter

because it's insane. Oh, I figured you were doing all the planets, do you? That's series. I want to talk a little bit about the expanse and general space exploration. So just quickly, because I'm not gonna cover the expanse. Like that's not my, that's not my ammo.

Maybe Kyle, you might want to someday, if you start watching it, you probably will want to. Or if our listeners, Yes, would like to hear us cover it on Patreon in some former fashion please let us know for sure so like there's there's a colony on Mars the series has a colony and series is like the base for what they call the outer counties you know they're belters like they're people that there's there's bases on different moons of Saturn and Jupiter, but series like the base of it. And like, that's really, honestly,

really what would happen, I would think, in the future. Like, I could see this all happening. Right, one spot would kind of be like the outer rim, and then the sposis adjacent to Earth would be, it's like, capital. Exactly. And going from there, yeah. This won't ever happen.

Like, it will never happen until we have a way to Endure high G. Burr like being able to like do like 10 Gs for a long time because like it's just the distances are too far Right in the books in the series they have like this drug right in Jackson does so they can withstand that for like in a long periods of time And like it just won't and also they have like this crazy like machine, you know, like an engine that goes super fast. But like, yeah, yeah, I just wanted to like mention those, those three things that I really do think, like in, not in our lifetimes,

but maybe in our great grandkids lifetimes, your great grandkids lifetimes, great great. I mean, grandkids lifetimes might, it might happen, you know, in the next couple of years, it might happen. You know what, honestly man, sometimes the fiction drives the science that seems because it was only so long ago that cell phones were a thing that were like, prototypes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. So with that, everybody, we'd love to thank you for joining us here each and every week.

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