Castle Super Beast - CSB 063: Equip Gun To Start Relationship

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Music Music Hello Eric, good morning, good afternoon, good evening to everyone. How's everyone doing, including you, Willie? I'm doing alright. How are you? I'm alright. I'm completely overpowered by a single phrase that it's all I can think about all week. And that phrase is, fuck Carol Baskins.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Oh, there we go. There we go. We're caught up. We're all caught up. Holy shit. Holy shit. So now that we're all here, now that we're all on the same page, it is my pleasure to announce to you that the sheriff of whatever fuck town that is 100% reopened the case. Yes. And is going to find out what happened with Carol Baskin and her husband and all the good stuff from that episode. So the case is...
Starting point is 00:01:30 Fantastic. The case is reopened and that's this and it's being reopened by the same bat. The sheriff apparently of this area is also the same badass that like went and arrested one of those stupid preachers that was running a mega church meeting that didn't care about people and was just doing the fucking giant service anyway type of thing. So that was in the news about this mega church pastor getting arrested and it's like, yeah, same sheriff. And there's a comedian that was friends with him and he was just kind of talking about how he was like, yeah, so did you pretty much just like watch the series and that was it?
Starting point is 00:02:13 And he's like, oh, yeah, I just saw it. I saw that episode. I'm like, oh, yeah, no, that's she. I got to reopen that case. And that's exactly what it was. We got to take a look, find some old DNA or some shit. So this is not the first time, nor will it be the last time it seems that like a Netflix docu series reopens the case. I like to think that if you're a detective and you're sitting around and you got some cold cases in your hand,
Starting point is 00:02:39 and you turn on the TV and they go, hey, there's a massively unsolved case in your county that you fucked up. Yeah. You go, mm, ah, mm. And we filmmakers here kind of did most of the work for you. Yes. We did some of the basic legwork. We talked to some people that you didn't talk to. And here you go.
Starting point is 00:03:05 We're giving you a little boost on the swing. You know, like a little nudge. Now you can take it as far as you need to go. Um, yeah. To those of you at home, not knowing what we're talking about, we're talking about the Netflix crime documentary Tiger King. Number one, it's now that Netflix is showing rankings. We can see that it is number one. Show rankings now.
Starting point is 00:03:30 You scroll down the little sections and there's now like a list of like number one in Canada and number one in America. And so on. You can see what people are watching so we can fully embrace the mother fucking Tiger King, the leaderboard mentality. I wanted to say in terms of like crimes being solved by the filmmakers, the number one of all time on that has to be. I talked about it at some point earlier, but the Jinx. This is Robert Durst, the murderer of New York that basically like killed his wife, then got off scot-free, then killed a roommate, then got off scot-free, and then. Oh, sick. And like it's this whole series.
Starting point is 00:04:20 It's this really interesting series. You can watch it. It's the Jinx. It's six episodes. And I mean, I've talked about it before. If you don't want to know anything about what's going to about it and you're interested, it's a really good series. Go check it out. But I'm going to kind of just spoil reality right now because it's it's really interesting in its reality, but they basically follow this case.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Hey, OK, do you remember? Did you watch Kimmy Schmidt? I watched the first season of Kimmy Schmidt. OK. Do you remember? I think it was the first season when the crazy landlady is dating this weird old guy that's that's Fred Armazin with gray hair. It doesn't sound familiar. That might be the second season.
Starting point is 00:05:04 OK. Or maybe I just forgot. Maybe. Because it's he's kind of just recurring character. He's a recurring weird or Fred Armazin shows up and he's got this weird like kind of like he's got gray hair and he's got this weird way of talking where he's kind of just a bit disconnected and strange and he only has a couple of one liners. You know, I think he talks about like going to going to like pick up dead bird bodies or something at one point. And it's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:32 And I was like, and like, like, like when you see the Jinx, which is the character that he's basically playing, it's fucking one to one. And in the Jinx, right? So it's a six episode series. And like, yeah, again, to just to let you know, I'm going to spoil it. Like they basically. Oh, no. But you're spoiling the real reality, folks, which is the weirdest thing about the weirdest thing about about nowadays is that, yes, reality can be spoiled. We are following the story through the sky's life and you get to see how like all these little odds and ends, all these twists and turns and basically him being connected to the right people.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Or or less allow him to skate when his wife goes missing one day and nobody knows what happens, right? And she and then you're like, OK, you know, there's so much weirdness around this and there's so much like there's definitely sketchy signs. But hey, reasonable doubt, right? Sure. So he goes past that. And then years later, his roommate ends up super duper found in pieces in in the water, right? Body parts in garbage bags. Uh huh.
Starting point is 00:06:53 It tossed in the water, right? And his lawyer is able to argue and basically get the point across that, OK, so I was in the living room while he was in the kitchen. And yes, we were having an argument. But then he kind of just had a heart attack and died. And and then after he died. Yes, your honor, I was panicking, so I was guilty of cutting up his body and I didn't know what to do. So I threw the parts in the river. So I totally did dismember the body and try to hide it.
Starting point is 00:07:34 But I did not kill him. The act of Mott murder was not committed by me. I see. I was there when he dropped dead and then I cut him up, right? Fucking psychotic. And then they go, yeah, what a natural thing to do. What an obvious checks out. Sounds good, right?
Starting point is 00:07:56 Sounds great. And then they go literally years later, a friend of his is working on or is involved with like some sort of case that she does. I forget what the details are, but there's a friend of his that's like now kind of like working with people that are on his tail to figure out like what he did. And they're like, we can't let him get off or whatever. And she gets involved in the wrong thing and basically crosses him in some way where, you know, he feels threatened or whatever. And then suddenly even suddenly he's in one area and then she goes missing and everyone's like, what the fuck? How did that happen? What's going on?
Starting point is 00:08:38 And they're like, oh, we don't know. We don't know. She just suddenly was not around anymore. And then they go and they show they're like, well, we were able to basically see here that at some point you got in your car and drove to her state of California. Which you don't live in. Which you don't live in. And you were there for like less than a day. And then you, and he's like, yeah, I had to take care of some business.
Starting point is 00:09:05 I drove to the north part of California, but she was in the south part of California. So, you know, whatever. I had some other business to take care of. And they're like, yeah, but don't you see that like the time frame and the, you know what I mean? Like it all kind of lines up and he literally looks at the camera and does everything but wink and smirk. And he does, he does smile a little bit and goes, California is a big state, right? And then like you get, it's, it's, it's just, it's nonsense. So he gets off.
Starting point is 00:09:37 He gets off, right? So this whole show like goes by and he literally gets away with three fucking bodies, right? And the people filming it are like just, okay, well, this is the story. We filmed it. We talked to him. We got what we could. Cases are closed. That's it.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Man's living in New York doing his thing. And so they go, hey, so they go, we want to do like one last follow up interview. You know, now that this is all behind you, right? And just kind of, you know, whatever, we'll close it all out. You know, we've been following you for all these years. Let's just get one last piece in here and then we'll finish our documentary and that'll be that, you know? And he's like, yeah, you know, sure. So he comes in and he sits down and this is well after he's been like cleared and acquitted.
Starting point is 00:10:24 And he's D does this interview and they wire him up and they go, okay. So, you know, they ask him about how he's been and how it's going and all that jazz. And then they go, okay, just one last little thing here. The ransom note or not the ransom note, but the letter that was found, the letter that was found in the missing ladies house that basically warned her or whatever. It has this writing on it and it has this exact like type of, you know, a handwriting and this exact type of lettering here, right? And this is her name spelled by the person who like probably killed her. Agreed. And he's like, yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:11:07 It's like, okay, now here's a check that you wrote to her some 10 odd years ago or so. And here's her name written by you by your hand. And this is how you wrote it. Oh, wow. That's really similar. Like, yeah, that's my check. And they're like, okay, so when we put these two over each other, would you see that there's any discernible difference between the two? And he kind of stops and he goes, well, no, I wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:11:35 And then like, he starts to burp a lot. He gets really gassy and like starts like, he gets moist. You know what I mean? And like, you just start to see the lizard scales underneath, right? The lizard scales start actually poking through. And his second set of eyelids go. And then he kind of goes, would you excuse me for a moment? And then he gets up, right?
Starting point is 00:12:02 And they go, all right, well, I guess that's that. You know, they're like, he's whatever. He's that's, he's gonna, you know, he's done here. He walked in with no lawyer. He walked in with no legal advice. Just documentary. Whatever. Just going to finish it up, you know?
Starting point is 00:12:19 Yeah. So they go, all right, well, he walks out of the bathroom and then he goes, yeah, all right, guys. Well, thanks for your time. I'll take care. I'll see you. And never. And then he fucking pieces, right? He dips out.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Right. And they're like, you know, so literally I want to say a year and a half possibly goes by like, like a long period of time goes by and then they're editing the whole thing together. And then someone who's working with them and in turn realizes that when he got up and walked to the bathroom, his mic was still on him. So they go into the audio of him in the bathroom and you hear him close the door, walk up, turn on the faucet and then go, oh, boy, what have you done? What have you done? Oh, no. Killed them all, of course.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Of course I did. Oh, now what? Now what? And then he kind of just makes some weird noises and then walks back out and says, all right, guys, later. And everyone's like, this is the greatest scoop ever. It's the sickest hot mic you've ever heard. The sickest hot mic you've ever heard. It's a really fun ride going through to like see the level of bullshit and then finally the comeuppance.
Starting point is 00:13:52 That's why the only reason why I use the word fun is because it ends in comeuppance. But like, it's, you know, just to break it for you, that's what goes down. And then like, as soon as that thing aired, like, I want to say they caught him. Like on the tarmac trying to go to Cuba or like something like that. Like he was literally like suitcase packing. Excuse me. Get out of the country. Go on a trip to Cuba now.
Starting point is 00:14:21 And they grabbed him the fuck off the plane. And like, that's what that's what it was, you know, they, but they got him like seconds away from fleeing the country because the time delay between him saying the thing and then them finding that. And then it being about to come out, he was like, I guess he was fucked around long enough and then caught wind of it. So that's what it was, you know, yet somehow still signed the release on everything. Yeah, well, that's the people make stupid fucking mistakes. If you want to go watch this, it's called the jinx. It's about Robert Durst. Now that's fascinating.
Starting point is 00:14:59 And it's fascinating because you describe a situation which a guy, you know, he doesn't realize he's miced. So he fucks up, right? Yeah. Tiger King is the total opposite. Tiger King is taking advantage of something that a lot of documentary crews find out is that if you're there for long enough and you film literally everything, everybody just kind of forgets that you're actually there. Yeah. So I keep hearing about that. And you can catch anything.
Starting point is 00:15:30 I want to say that's just human nature because it works too well across the board. There's way too many cases of people that, yeah, they just at first yourself conscious, but then it just takes too much energy to keep up the appearances. So then you just relax into a state of being yourself. And at some point, you don't really even think about the cameras, right? But he did think about the cameras when the TV show started. And when he had to, when he had to, Joe Exotic had to walk around to all of his staff who were just doing their normal jobs and be like, Hey, you, what the fuck's with those shoes? Yeah, it's a, it's a situation. I just took a look at it.
Starting point is 00:16:08 It's a was originally found out in something called a video series on total institutions by a sociologist named Goffman. Basically the idea is that a total institution is like a prison, a mental hospital, certain kinds of hospitals, the army. It's a, it's a little pocket society. And they went to a mental institution at the time and just started filming it with the permission of the warden, essentially. And after a couple of weeks, they stopped giving a shit that the cameras were there and just went right back to the crime shit that would happen all the time with the patients. Right. They ended up getting that place shut down and stuff like that. And then turns out, yeah, you can, you put a camera on somebody for long enough.
Starting point is 00:16:54 You're, you just disappear entirely. And it's fascinating because Tiger King is so many things. I think that's probably the most crazy thing to me is that it is so many different stories. Do you understand? It's a, it's a nonsense escalation that just like, by the end of the first episode, it was like, Oh, wow, this is going to be a crazy story. And then the second episode is like, Oh, who cares about that story from last time? Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:19 That's why it's a shit. Yes. That's why this is being talked about so much and why everyone is like, you got to go in here because it's your perfect mix of like, these are these ridiculous characters on their own are so mind bogglingly fascinating. But then the things happening are also just like, okay, swerve, not even like 90 degrees, but like full 180 and then 45 again. You know, from wherever you are going because you just end up in stranger than fiction events and scenarios. You know, just nonstop. You couldn't just. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Like Chuck Mulnick couldn't fucking write something that baffling. You go from like, hey, animal rights activists versus private zoos in the US and the drama within to is, is that guy dead to is this a cult on and on and on and on. And the bet I just love the consistency that is if you own a fucking tiger, you're not normal. You cannot be normal. There has to be something. They deal. They deal with Joe Exotic. They deal with Carol Baskins.
Starting point is 00:18:40 They deal with that guy that was up north. The guru. Yeah. No, no, that's the doc. There's the other guy who teams up with Jeff Lowe at the end. You know, that guy they were interviewing throughout the show. There's Jeff Lowe. There's all crazy cat people.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Everyone forgets. They're all insane. Everyone forgets about Scarface too. Don't forget Scarface. Oh, yeah. Scarface is there. Yeah. Everyone forgets about Scarface.
Starting point is 00:19:04 I think the craziest thing about Scarface is he starts talking and he's like, oh yeah, they based Tony Montana off of me. I went to jail for all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to sell all the millions of dollars of drugs because I kept having to buy all these animals and it cuts to shots of what is essentially Tony Montana and a house zoo. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Yeah. Private collection. What? It's great. It's great. I mean, listen, dude, like there are just some fucking like like seeing that. And like, so I remember when we got to the John Oliver clip, that's where like punch mom was like, oh my God. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Okay. No, this is kind of coming around. There's a connection. I must remember that clip. And you're just like fucking the, what are you going to do when now that we've gotten to meet this man? What kind of clip are you going to see out of context entirely? And just some dude standing there going like, I refuse to cut my hair. I'm gay.
Starting point is 00:20:00 I got two boys friends. We just got married. I got a case against me from some bitch down in Florida and he's standing next to tigers and he's like, and I'm running for president in the United States of America. And you're just like, this is the best. This is the best, you know, like. And it's so nuts to see how like you would see that clip and fall in love with it immediately. And then now you get the backstory of like how all of that fits together. It's like, it's just like, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Right. Um, when they get past that point, I want to say right after they say that they introduce you to the idea of him right running for fucking for president and then for governor. For all of us. Yeah. Did you see Josh? Poor Josh. Here's the thing. You mentioned something about a vape pen that like made you laugh so hard you had to leave the room.
Starting point is 00:21:00 I don't get it. He smokes from a vape pen. Okay. So it's the first time he shows up. I got, I got multiple tweets from people going, dude, I just fucking fell over and lost my shit. Like, I'm glad other people, you, you must have missed it. A lot of people didn't, but it's the first time he shows up and he goes, hi, my name's Joshua, whatever. And I am Joe exotics campaign manager and it was the worst year of my life.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And then it just hard cuts to him inhaling or he takes a fucking suck on his jewel and goes. Yeah, I remember. And it's just, I don't get what it's just the juxtaposition. It's just the cut of some poor normal guy, some poor normal libertarian who shows up and it's just like, I'm, I'm the smart guy that he knew because I sold him ammo at a Walmart once. And so he's like, yeah, you seem pretty smart. You'll be my campaign manager. And he's like, there's a real. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:04 That exhale, that exhale, there was so much of his soul that came out of the fucking smoke in that. There's a moment when he comes in and I'm going to talk around this. But as soon as that campaign guy came in and starts talking, I'm like, oh, something really bad happened with you. Like really bad. Yeah. He's paying attention to who's getting interviewed in what order. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, something really, really, really, really bad happened here.
Starting point is 00:22:39 What's going on? And sure enough, he gets it like the worst of almost any single person in that entire story. It is almost like slapstick in how the footage exists, right? He gets, he gets it so fucking rough and it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous that the antics that it takes it to are such that he's just like, what the fuck did I sign up for? You know, this poor dude. And yeah, and the fact to that I just wanted to hang out with Tiger man and do a little campaign thing. He's like, I don't care whose campaign it was.
Starting point is 00:23:18 My job, my dream job was campaign manager, whatever. And then the fact that it's like, hey, Joe, what are your views on anything? He's like, uh, you know, whatever. And he's like, okay, cool, got it. And then like, he literally just goes like, okay, so these are my things that I believe in. You're running for the libertarian party and Joe's like, whatever. Yeah, you know, sure. And just goes down the list of all the things that Josh himself believes in.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Like it is, it is, it is just a wild. And that, and all of that is basically just the wild fucking. Um, it's one arc, you know, it is the, it is the, the, the campaign race arc of the story. It is, it is completely like its own isolated bit that goes between the fucking cell games and the boo saga. I don't like it hits. And then there's a, then you get to the end of the story, which I feel doesn't conclusively end. And that's because it's real life and it's not conclusively over. Last episode sucks.
Starting point is 00:24:23 They kind of stretched it. Then you start typing and you start finding out all sorts of crazy shit. Yeah. About what's going on right now. Yeah. Poor Joe tested positive. Poor Joe exotic. Well, maybe it depends how much of a murderer he is. I was unfortunately tested positive for our good friend, the COVID Jeff.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Jeff Lowe, his, his, his, uh, partner, uh, basically sitting there running the jaw rule game, the jaw rule school of thought of like, you know, it's like, what is it? Would you call it entrapment? Uh, I'd call it whatever else he said. He said it in the exact same tone of voice in the exact same way that Joe rule set false advertising. Jeff Lowe unfortunately continues to be. Yeah. Or, you know, there's that, there's that. Um, and then it's, it's, it's wild to me in a, in a, in a giant cavalcade in which everyone is either so poor that they can't do anything.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Or is the worst scum imaginable, the person who is ostensibly the focus of our story, who may be an attempted murderer and arsonist is like the most relatable out of them all. It's, uh, their shout outs to there's a, there's a Sam Roberts tweet where he goes, he shows a picture of them side by side and goes, uh, uh, the undertaker is what Jeff Lowe thinks he looks like. But yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent. Absolutely. Like, God damn, it's so true. Um, yeah, man. And, and, and of course, right.
Starting point is 00:26:11 The fact that you get all the way through and you're like, by the end, the, the, the big cats are the least interesting part of the story. Oh, who cares about the tigers? Like, it's not Tiger King and you're like, oh, whatever. You're waiting. I'm waiting. You're sitting there with baited breath waiting for the moment where you're like, okay, one of these fuckers. Okay. One of these fuckers is getting God.
Starting point is 00:26:32 And it's like someone does get God. And then after that, there's another. It's no, it's none of the people that you think. No, there isn't. And then after that, there's an almost to get, you know, when he's like, ah, you son of a bitch. Fuck out of here. I'll shoot you. You stupid bitch.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Was there a moment when you were watching it where you got to see like alternate reality washed up and bald Norman Reedus. Possibly. Possibly. It's a fucking handyman. Jeff Lowe's guy. It looks exactly like a bald overweight Norman Reedus. It fucked me out so bad. You know, as well as I do that Norman has friends that own tigers.
Starting point is 00:27:12 He might. He has no fewer than two. No fewer than two. He might be a full on Hollywood star right now. So he might not have called them in a minute, but he knows no fewer than two. There's something. There's something about that guy. I think that guy is my favorite character because of his introduction is so obviously a lie because he gets introduced as who is this guy?
Starting point is 00:27:37 He's a he's my handyman. What's he do? Yeah, actually. Yeah. He's very loyal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Yeah. Yeah. What? Absolutely. Fuck. What does that mean? Tier tattoo. He's extremely loyal.
Starting point is 00:27:54 He's good. Yeah. I know that. I've told you about that from like that's Jamaica has a lot of that. Right. Yeah. My dad has has like one of those people right on his property where it's just like this is the guy and what does he do?
Starting point is 00:28:09 What do you need him to do? He's a fixer. You know, he's just he's a word for that. It's called a fixer. Yeah. And it's just what what do you need? What? You need some basic construction?
Starting point is 00:28:19 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Fix that. You want some walls put up? Yeah. Please fix that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:27 You want some some heads cracked? Well, I could talk to some people, but he's just around. He's around, you know, and like, yeah, that that that type of thing in this context, um, of course it's going to go the direction it goes in. You know, so then it goes a different direction. Yeah. That those taped phone calls, man, just like just the level of like, Hey, so, you know, you working with the feds?
Starting point is 00:28:55 I am. And, uh, you're going to want to do exactly what I tell you to say on the phone right now. Okay. Yep. Whatever, you know, whatever you say, guys. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:08 It's incredible. Um, Tiger King also again, like even though it follows Joe Exotic, you just get these other characters, man, like it goes into Doc's life. And I told you about like the moments where it, it doc is like setting up his character and then he's goes into character and then that goes places. That goes big places. Exactly. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:32 Hard cut to ex-girlfriend like, Hey, so what was that all about? And she's like, okay, well, you know, big old fucking tiger cult. What are you going to do? What? And like, and, and just, just the, the idea and like his, the, I think his son shows up for one second to go like, Oh yeah, no, he's the center of his world and whatever else you call that. He's like, uh, he's like a discount Jesus, man.
Starting point is 00:30:04 But Hey, you want to get to know the tigers? Well, it's, so there was one, there was one thing about that whole show that really threw me like bad and it, it made like everyone seemed even more insane than I thought. And that was every single person in that show at some point says, Oh man, you got a tiger. People fucking do anything. Yep. I was about to say just, yep. And I'm like, why?
Starting point is 00:30:43 I mean, it's cool. Nah, dude. You're missing. You're missing the critical piece of information here. All right. You're missing the part where, um, one of the most popular photos on Tinder and match it for guys is the guy holding the baby tiger. The guy playing with the baby tiger photo is a massive hit because what's up?
Starting point is 00:31:14 Why, why the bitches love tigers so much? Well, first of all, there's just the personal thing of like, um, look, it's cute, right? But then there's the thing of like, but it's wild and untamed, right? And it's not. It's in a zoo. Shut up. It's wild and untamed. It represents the tiger that you were taught about in a storybook just to shut up.
Starting point is 00:31:36 You were taught as a child, tiger is the fucking king of the jungle. This is what it is. All right. The whole time Paige and I are watching it, we just keep like looking at the, the antics with the tigers, which occur on occasion. And we look over at our stupid cat and look back at the TV and go, they're just big cats. Shut up. Wild and untamed, large house cats, the system and the people in my life and the bad vibes.
Starting point is 00:32:08 They try to pull me down, but I am untamed. I am a free spirit. I am a tiger. I am wild like this tiger I'm posing with right here and anyone who knows me knows that this is my spirit animal and I will pay to come pet it three times a week. And if you wheeled it into your Vegas bedroom in a fucking closed suitcase where the fucking thing couldn't breathe, I'm a still pay to get up in that hotel. I'm going to take my photos for Instagram cause everyone's going to love them and then
Starting point is 00:32:35 I'll throw some booty your way and it's, it is what it is. They're just big cats. They're tigers, Pat. Also they represent like they represent spirit at all. There's even the documentaries like, oh yeah, there's way more tigers and in zoos than it's not. It's, it's, of course, but that doesn't matter. It's the icon, man.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Don't you remember how clownfish almost fucking died forever when finding Nemo came out? I remember, uh, I remember a fucking explosion of animal crimes when 101 Dalmatians came out of 100%. There were a fucking news reports that were like, stop buying Dalmatians. They're actually bad with kids. They're not a beginner dog morons. People, Pat, you seem to be like, like you need to understand that people will 100% endanger something or fuck it up or not care for the sake of symbolism, IRL.
Starting point is 00:33:42 People climb fucking buildings and take suicide shots. They do all kinds of crazy shit, right? Showing yourself off with a tiger, especially on a dating site. Do you not understand the idea that if I'm here with a tiger, right? And it's a cute baby tiger that it means not only that this is my connection that I have this type of like wild spirit, but also I'm sensitive, but I'm also powerful because I'm sensitive. No, it just means you went and paid the fucking three bucks to buy a tiger.
Starting point is 00:34:16 But I'm powerful enough to have control over such a powerful animal and we are the same and you should look at us the same and you should swipe right. You know what, Willie? I feel very out of touch because I don't understand despite your explanations. I just don't understand. I don't get it. Symbolism. Symbolism is fucking stupid.
Starting point is 00:34:52 That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for people. Here's a symbol for you to those of you listening to the audio version, I'm holding up my middle finger. Great. That doesn't change the fact that it's out there. It's stupid, but it exists and that's the answer to why. The level of how sad it is when you see them holding it up, holding up the fucking kitten and going to each person, take two steps, take two steps, take two steps and just snap,
Starting point is 00:35:24 snap, snap. The conveyor belt line of photos with the... They don't care, man. These people, they like the idea of it. They've got their fucking leopard print wardrobes, like Carol does. They're coming from the same fucking school of thought. Also, maybe humans were the real monsters all along. Hey, there, cats and kittens.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Cool cats, cool kittens. What's up? It's like, I'll tell you what's... It's the one that he starts, it's the one that he starts the videos. What's up, motherfuckers? It's like, I don't know why. Okay, but hold on though. Okay.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Wasn't that supposed to be like a campaign ad? So you didn't, so the vape didn't get you, that's fine. The fucking commercial, the campaign ad, that was good, right? You can't tell me what the fuck happened when it cut to here, kitty, kitty. I got something juicy for you. That music video is incredible. That music video is incredible. And the look alike they got for Carol is dead on.
Starting point is 00:36:42 So one, like, I'm like literally going like, praise Odin, thank everyone. Thank you, Jesus, God, Buddha, that this man is on top of all things a country singer, right? Well, he's not actually. Well, that's where we go. That's not his voice. That's not his song. He stole the song.
Starting point is 00:37:07 So you find out afterwards that he completely didn't sing at all. There was a band, he paid them to do the music, and then he just lip-sanked over the whole thing. So that was fucking nonsense. But when watching this and it cuts to him singing, and they established that he's got multiple albums, and you're like, holy fuck, thank you. It's the best. Of course he does.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Because you need the Joe Exotic brand in all flavors and corners of life. You want to see you when he's on a condom, you're like, fuck yeah, he's on a condom. Of course he is. Why wouldn't he be? It's fucking wild because like, this is a character that if you were to put this into a TV show, people would be like, this character is nonsense and outrageous. We're talking about- That's why I keep saying the same thing.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Can't write it. A leg brace, wearing mullet sporting, Oklahoma gay polygamist cowboy tiger man. Worst eyebrow piercing I've ever seen. Oh my god, it's like hanging on by a thread. The worst eyebrow piercing, unbelievably terrible eyebrow piercing, little fucking flesh flap. How do you keep these Southern gentlemen around you? You're going for hot hick. You got hot hick, boyfriends, out the wazoo.
Starting point is 00:38:43 What the fuck are you doing? Well, it turns out you'll be gay for meth. It turns out, right? If you've got a really bad meth habit and you only got one source for it, then fuck it. I'll take one for the team and the team being my meth habit. Oh, damn, I love meth. It's my favorite. And then like the fact that too, it's like by the end of the goddamn thing, some other
Starting point is 00:39:16 poor dude is like, this like hot in the prime of his life attractive dude is like, I'll wait for you, Joe. You know, we had some good times and sure we got married after like weeks of knowing each other and we practically stood on the fucking corpse of the last one. But hey, I'll wait for you and you're like, didn't they, they did actually just actually stand on his corpse with the mom right there with the mom right there. So you know, it's a bonus. So I did some reading.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Did you know there was another one that was actually in the documentary, but his insanity didn't go anywhere. So he got cut. Oh, no, I didn't. So he was another guy that he married at 19 alongside Travis first one, not Travis. No. There was the guy with all the tattoos, right? Without a shirt for the whole document for some reason, T before yeah, T before him,
Starting point is 00:40:21 there was another one that worked on the on the fucking zoo. Okay. But he just fucked off. He didn't like die or you know, nothing happened there. He was just like, I'm out of here, man. Okay. Well, again, meth will open doors open all kinds of possibilities that you didn't think was possible.
Starting point is 00:40:44 It was it's kind of wild. You've got tigers and you've got meth. See what do you have? Not meth tigers, but infinite husbands. The world is yours. The world is yours. Poor fucking Travis, dude. You're just like, this guy can go anywhere.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Just go to Miami and just be hot and get as much of whatever you want. All like, why you got to stick around and put your hand on the glass for poor Joe? You can go live up your life, man. I feel, I feel, you know, man, it's true love. Yeah. It always, it always makes me feel better. And maybe this is like, like, I don't know, vindictive, not vindictive, but maybe this is evil, but you watch these stories and you go, man, I used to be much
Starting point is 00:41:37 dumber when I was this person's age, but it wasn't nearly this dumb. Oh, you weren't leave your family to join a fucking meth cult. A meth tiger cult. Don't forget the word. No, you know what? You need all the words in there when I wasn't. Oh, well, how about that, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:58 And just, and there's all these little moments where you're like, ha, ha, look at this silly shit. And then, and then it just hard cuts to you want to see how we deal with problems around here and just, and you're like, why, why are we cutting to like hard explosives and gunshots as like little transition like episode one, right? You know, and then, and then, like, then, then at some point they're literally like staring at the footage of like, here's a fucking blow up doll of Carol.
Starting point is 00:42:29 And he's just like, I think it's, I think it's like episode three or four in which the lawsuit is lost and possessions have to start being given away and we smash cut to, oh, you want my fucking bed? And then it blows up with, with like dynamite or some shit. This bitch wants my watch. You want this watch? And I'm like staring with my mouth open, being like, this is the halfway point. Dude, I think.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Where can this possibly go? It could not have been episodes one or two. It had to be somewhere in there where they're like, we got a gift for you, Carol. And then they like, we put poisonous snakes in your mailbox. Poisonous snakes in the mailbox was like episode. Shut up. They were mailed effectively to like, you know, fuck, man.
Starting point is 00:43:25 And it's like, yeah, like you have to remember to she's not up the street. No, she's not in Florida. She's in another state. They have to go down there to fuck with them. When he wants to put on the bloody bunny suit and just roll around on the ground in front of big cat rescue signs and be all like, Oh God, my guts are all out. I'm fucking dead. He has to drive down to Florida to do that.
Starting point is 00:43:51 It's incredible. Yeah, Tiger King, the Tiger Lords. Oh, my God. This, this is everything, everything about this is the best. Again, the only thing I have to say about, and just in terms of just like the documentary making, well, one, it was pretty, it was pretty like interesting to see why the reality TV guy was there. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:20 Like, why are you following him? Why are you talking to him? It's like, well, because your story has a conclusion, you know? But sure does. But no, the problem is that when you are, when you get to that final episode and you're just in the like, well, legal stuff, you know, it's like, yeah, we got nothing else to really say. There's nothing else going on.
Starting point is 00:44:43 So let's just follow the, the amputee guy around because and you're like, what do you know? Can we stop following this guy? Like, what do we have to? John, John, Rinky and Saf. And I forget the third guy's name. The emaciated shaggy, shaggy. Sure, he was legit.
Starting point is 00:45:07 That dude, those, those three people, they're legit. And they seemed like real good people. Shaggy and they got fucked, man. Shaggy was just like, yep, I saw a job job on Craigslist. It's like, you want to take care of tigers? And I'm like, I sure ain't done that before. So, yeah, totally gets in there and is like, every time he's doing things, you know, he's just riding around with this fucking he's pouring gas
Starting point is 00:45:34 in the, it's in from one container to another with a lit cigarette hanging out his mouth, you know, and you're just like, yeah, this dude's real, man. And they're just like, cool. Check it out. How do we, how do we eat? Well, here's the buckets of fucking pizza of meat, of old meat from the goddamn grocery store Walmart. It's like, you want to have some of this exotic pizza?
Starting point is 00:45:55 Yeah, where do you think the meat came from? It's, it's crazy, man. It's crazy. It's great. Um, yeah, it could have been one episode shorter. That's the only thing I got to say. Or it could have been one episode longer if they waited one year, they waited one year, I suppose.
Starting point is 00:46:14 But hey, people, people needed Tiger King now. Now was the time. You know, and, and, and anybody who's currently filming a documentary, you have to wonder if they're like, they're filming it and everyone's kind of wondering, it's like, if I wait long enough, do you think something's going to happen if you're following a case that's kind of interesting? And you're like, should we cash out? And it's like killer instinct.
Starting point is 00:46:41 You got all this damage and you're going like, you got your auto doubles going. Oh, oh, oh, oh, and then you're seeing big, big damage. And you're like, I can just do the ender right now. But if I could just do the ender right now, but if some crazy shit happens and we're still filming, it's going to be even better. I want to go for a godlike combo, you know, and you're waiting, you're waiting to see if you're going to get a counter broken, you know, you want to know, you want to know, but until then you got to keep rolling.
Starting point is 00:47:14 You got to keep hitting those auto doubles, especially the weirder the character, the wilder the location, the more you got to keep it going. You're going to hold out at least for another couple of months. There's going to be a sequel to Tiger King in like 25 years where they just find like a hundred skeletons of something in one of their yards. And it won't be tigers. It really is interesting to how like the takeaway after all of it, everyone lands on the same page, which is as fucked as this whole thing goes, the absolute
Starting point is 00:47:58 go fuck yourself villain is the one who's framing herself as the protagonist. Right. Yeah. Page was able to nail it down. Just why everyone is like the takeaway is like, OK, Jeff Lowe, he is a professional scumbag, professional scumbag see that from far away. He made his fortune on scum. Yeah, his friend, a possible murderer, small time.
Starting point is 00:48:22 Convict guy, Joe, insane, just insane. Yeah, but Carol, Carol's trying to tell you. Oh, Doc's a leader of a cult leader. You get that big, big fucking manipulator creepo. But but Carol is trying to tell you that she's cat Jesus. Yeah. And there's the something about that insincerity is just like, especially. And like, here's the thing, like, of course, when they cut to
Starting point is 00:48:50 the missing husband's family, you go, oh, there it is. But even before they show them when you see her just like basically being like, well, you know, we like like we we have a big cat rescue, we're not a zoo, but we still do charge tickets and admission. And we still do basically run the same kind of business. The only difference is we don't go. Don't like your pet. We don't touch them. Don't pet the cuffs.
Starting point is 00:49:17 But otherwise, it's the same fucking shit. And also we don't pay our volunteers. So there's that. We get millions of hits on YouTube and we get millions of hits on Facebook and Facebook and we get these huge checks online or whatever. But we have people that are here that get shirt colors and the longer you volunteer, the better your shirt color gets. And you get more privileges.
Starting point is 00:49:40 You can you can clean the shit even better with the right color shirt. And we just fucking literally rip through people that are volunteers, not even knowing their names the whole time, you know. And it's like this is this is like it is so much more sinister because it's that false Jesus thing. As you said, meanwhile, there is a literal skeleton in the closet. You know, the how they met, you know, just like, here, hold this gun on me. We just want to drive around all that shit.
Starting point is 00:50:13 What? Why? Why did we just jump straight to gun? It escalate immediately to gun violence. Like I believe this was the phrase while there you go. Full marriage started started escalated from the jump on gun relationship starts with gun. Anyway, I feel like Tiger King should probably all watch Tiger King.
Starting point is 00:50:45 I feel like we can talk about it for fucking ever. But there you go. Yeah, that's it's it's pretty all right. And it's not and you know what, you don't even though I think I think the extra episode was didn't need to exist. It still is only seven. Yeah, it's a pretty quick watch. It's a pretty quick, very concise. When did you finish it?
Starting point is 00:51:10 Oh, fucking Wednesday. OK. Did you watch anything else? I did not watch anything else of note. Bless you. OK. Did you play anything else? I did. I played a few things which were video games.
Starting point is 00:51:35 All right, so obviously. I don't know why I phrase it that way. That was weird. Sorry, I'm I'm I'll admit I am befuddled and annoyed at apparently my incredibly poor audio quality on this call. It is it is throwing me and. I don't understand why it is broken this way. Apparently, I sound markedly worse than I usually do
Starting point is 00:52:05 on my own regular discord calls. How do I sound to you, Willie? Right now, you sound like a discord call. Discord quality, which is what I'm more or less used to. Huh, this is what it is. But that's weird, of course, because you sound fantastic in my headphones. But of course, you know, on the on the MP3s, you're you're you're just giving me the local on that.
Starting point is 00:52:31 So it is what it is. Oh, well, anyway, regardless, back to video game. I'm sorry to to cut that for y'all. No, it is it is like for the most part. Like like there was a like last week, there was occasionally a couple of like robot outs. You haven't had any this week. The quality of the actual discord call is like it's discord quality.
Starting point is 00:52:52 This is what I hear. It's like it's not great, but it is what video calling is. See, that see, that's the part that's weird to me because people that I talk to on discord quite often. I actually come through on those discord calls about as clearly as you're coming through on the regular podcast right now. OK, we'll have to workshop this afterwards. We'll have to check settings.
Starting point is 00:53:13 It's possible that you're recording, you're you're breaking in through like a weird speaker or something like that. Um, OK, I mean, some, you know, I'm looking, people, most people are saying it seems fine, seems consistent. Those people are liars. I don't know what else you're getting from that. But I don't know what to tell you. All right, well, never mind then, my bad, guys,
Starting point is 00:53:40 sorry to kill the momentum of the podcast, regardless. Speaking of killing momentum, well, do you remember how long the fucking first 10 hours of Persona 5 were? 10 hours. Yeah. But they're longer than that. They certainly do feel like it's it's crazy. How long it takes to get into the actual game of a Persona game?
Starting point is 00:54:13 It's it's fucking absolutely nuts. I've been playing Royal. Yes, which came out. I have been streaming Royal. No troubles. No trouble. So I'd like to actually go into what the deal with that is.
Starting point is 00:54:30 So German spy was streaming Royal. And I was like, hey, German spy, what's up? Good old good old pal Franz and he was like, hey, hey, what's up? And he tipped his fedora and all that shit. So he streamed the entirety of Persona 5 and encountered no issues. And if you remember, Willie, he was the one who broke the news to us
Starting point is 00:54:55 that Atlas was being a bunch of big babies about streaming and L.P. in the game and whatnot. So he had done all this research and he had fucking followed up with people and looked up about who got strikes and whose streams had trouble and seemed like after a couple of weeks, Atlas pretty much forgot the Persona 5 existed in terms of social media. OK. And for Royal, they actually addended their streaming guidelines and their L.P.
Starting point is 00:55:27 guidelines, their YouTube guidelines as we cover a lot. VEGAR and it included a straight up apology. That's like, we're really sorry we threatened your channels. We never meant to threaten your channel. I was like, you did. You'd super dead. And despite the game being out in October back in Japan and people out in Japan streaming at nonstop,
Starting point is 00:55:55 he was unable to find anyone that had ever gotten a single complaint or thing or anything about it. On top of that, I was able to talk to some people. It's not official confirmation, but I have been given the definite impression that Atlas didn't quite realize how ridiculously difficult it would be to police everyone and just fucking gave up like right away. So it's right away.
Starting point is 00:56:30 It's not that they realized how silly it was. It's they didn't realize that they can enforce it. But yeah, because it's not Sega doing it, right? It's Atlas, which means somebody at Atlas has to actually go file DMCA claims and actually write letters of complaint to Twitch. But what about simple content ID? Well, I'm not putting it up on YouTube. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 00:56:58 I suppose that it's the only of my streams that I'm not putting up on YouTube. I put it into a little collection in Twitch. OK, that's you know, it's just like a playlist which at worst it'll get muted. But at worst, it'll get muted. OK, but that is OK. So first of all, that is a humongous like difference, though, like if you're not even going to throw up the archive. Yeah, no. Well, see, YouTube, like auto fucking DMCA claims,
Starting point is 00:57:25 they're not necessarily can be automated, but like there are companies that just fucking go for, you know, just yeah, just fucking go nuts on that. It's like, I like that archive channel. Aside from this one, it does OK in terms of like people's convenience. But hey, let's just let's just cut that little headache out. And just go ahead. The timing of it is couldn't be more perfect. Do you have the Toei thing in the news this week?
Starting point is 00:57:55 The channel that went up? Yeah, I didn't throw it on the docket, but I did see it and it looks pretty cool. It was like Toei threw up a bunch of their legacy, took sassu shows, and then some of them got claimed and pulled down by Toei themselves. So they had the whole channel is dead right now. Is it? Yeah, that they killed the channel with copyright strikes automatically. But I saw it that it died and then came back up.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Are you sure that it's not back up? Last while I have not checked this morning, but the last that I saw it had died. OK, the last I saw it went down and came back up. It's still up. Toei is the worst. So it's the actual it came back up and a lot of the shows are still there. A couple of the ones that were actually licensed by different companies stayed down. Oh, that's incredible. But the majority of the shows are still there.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Oh, Toei, so for the most part, you're just looking at, you know, YouTube system just eating itself. Yeah, man. Jonathan is getting struck by his own copyright. Isn't YouTube fun to put videos on? Well, where it's like a fucking dice roll as to whether or not it's a persona. No, it's just going to say that it's like it's also like, you know, it is a uniquely like really difficult situation to try and like navigate the amount of bullshit.
Starting point is 00:59:25 That is like legitimately like, hey, you can't put this movie up here. It's in theaters right now. Right. That's not, you know what I mean? It is a it is so like they do have to figure out something and like remember that like every time you consult with lawyers, like lawyers are not concerned with like some of your soul dies. Yes, the lawyers are not concerned with like user experience or like any sort of ease of use thing or anything that is like content, frustrating for creators.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Anything like that, it doesn't matter. It's just are we are we liable? Are we liable? That's the bottom line. And if you can do something that will piss off everybody but keep you non liable, then that's the route you're going to go. Well, good thing YouTube is cut back on staff that can manually review and also demonetize you if you mentioned COVID and your video title.
Starting point is 01:00:21 We can trust those robots. Yeah, those good old YouTube robots never been a problem for us. Shout out to the Latin author. The folks who do covers of all like fucking game and anime songs and then like trigger trip the originals so that if anyone has any shit that needs to get fucking that they get that they upload, they get flagged and then the music goes not to Square Enix, but to Latin author. Yeah, that's all right.
Starting point is 01:00:54 That's all right. Yeah. So Persona 5 Royal. Much like Persona 4 Golden and kind of Persona 3 Portable before it. It's an expansion slash re-release of Persona 5 and Persona 5 was really good and really long and really long. This games seems even better and even really longer. So is it longer in the same context as
Starting point is 01:01:27 P4 to P4G? It is longer than that. Fuck. OK. Big long. The the average I've spoken to a couple of people who beat it and assuming you're playing it like a normal person, it adds about 20 to 30 hours on to it. God, with the thought with the January extra month,
Starting point is 01:01:56 extra confidants. So I had a list that I was going to go through, but it's not all that important. Battle rebalancing, confidant rebalancing, two new confidants, one new party member, an extra month. No, two, two, including the party. One, one completely redone confidant as well to two, including the party member. Yeah. And one confidant, which would be the.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Who was it? Was it justice? I believe it's the justice confidant is completely redone from the ground up. OK. Yeah, it's justice. So. On top of that, I think probably the the thing that just pops the fastest is when you get to the first dungeon and all the little tiny things that they changed about the battle system just make it a lot more fun to play.
Starting point is 01:02:54 But on pass is a default ability. You don't have to unlock it ever. Nice. You can now do a little mini game to boost it, but it's just default. That's good. Guns now regenerate ammo per battle so you can actually use your fucking guns. Wow. OK. And there's there's new types of like super strong enemies and gimmick enemies and
Starting point is 01:03:14 stuff like that. And they've expanded on the dungeons like the dungeons have more rooms and are just overall expanded. And what about it's great. What about those? What are they called? Showtime attacks? I have not gotten there. I am fairly early. I'm on the last stream that I did was the very first day of player control in which
Starting point is 01:03:42 I beat the dungeon in one go. So I've barely gotten into the meat of the game. OK, because my friend is like currently on I want to say I think like Haru or so. And she was telling me she was just she's just sending me clips of the showtime attacks and I'm like, these are fucking like they stand out with a sore thumb because of the quality of them compared to the other things almost. Yeah, it's that they're real fancy. They're fancier than everything else.
Starting point is 01:04:10 So you can you can see they were made after the fact, you know. One of the one of the more interesting things is that they have they have so the new party member is spliced in from literally the first day in the game, she's in the tutorial like she's in the in the casino tutorial. I saw the I saw the seat moment. Oh, it's so bad. And she establishes herself as like basically lady joker.
Starting point is 01:04:41 But the honor students are the delinquent. But so that, you know, her scenes are added, obviously. And they're they're they're spruced here and there. But they have added and tweaked a bunch of existing lines in existing scenes. So they'll be like after Kamashita confronts you and says he's going to expel you. There's like a nice little five minute scene where Kawakami is like the fuck are you up to, man? Yeah. What are you doing, man? That wasn't in the original.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And then one of the other things is that when you meet Kawakami, there is a single. I think it's two lines added during when you're meeting with the principal in your first day of school, where she gives you her card to call her. She gives Sojiro her card to call her as the teacher. And she fucks up and accidentally gives him the other card for a second. Before grabbing it back and giving him her teacher number. And you get a little little shot of like the little maid service card. And, you know, it's just it's just sprinkled here and there.
Starting point is 01:05:47 OK, see, the I feel like there was so much in the original that like it would be hard for me to notice like the small changes, you know. Well, luckily enough, I'm playing it with an audience and I get to go. Was that new? And people go, no, idiot, you just forgot. Yeah, yeah, that is. So, yeah. Um, boy, the fucking girth added to this. And like my friend that is on that that is on Hiroshu saying that, like,
Starting point is 01:06:15 oh, well, I'm going to have to let you go for just a second. It appears there's someone at my door. OK, you want to hit that pause button to excuse me for just a second. No problem. All right. So Pat couldn't stay on time out. In the meantime, I was just going to say that I feel as if what I've been told is that like there's almost like so many
Starting point is 01:06:38 directions to go in that it's like it's paralyzing, you know. It sounds like it's always it's always been a little bit of that, but they kind of slowly open up the world to you. And apparently now it's it's getting to a level that is just like like you're you're you're you're you're paralyzed with choice. There's just way too much to do and that the only way to make progress is to kind of like actively ignore things that you'd otherwise be interested in checking out.
Starting point is 01:07:07 You know, I I look at that as something that I'm like, I definitely need to find out how cool this is going to be, but I can't necessarily see myself committing that much time to it until at least like some time from now, you know. I also tend to not replay things really close to each other. Like I'll if I replay something, it'll be like like years away almost in a lot of cases, but you know, we had a discussion about like how much I do replaying.
Starting point is 01:07:43 So yeah, a couple years from now, I think I'll be ready for that. And, you know, of course, there's always the curiosity of just like, well, maybe maybe there can be a maybe there'll be a like distilled like, what did you miss? What's different? Kind of kind of, you know, video or something like that that someone puts out there. Although it makes me kind of think, though, that like I imagine that that's the exact kind of video that like Alice would be afraid of is like for those of
Starting point is 01:08:12 you who don't really want to buy the full game again, like if you were to watch a video that says like, here's everything that's new, then that would 100 percent dodge the sale and they probably are 100 percent not in favor of that existing. So if I feel like that's probably why or that's probably the time I would imagine it, like, unless it's like Pat says, and like they're not really pursuing it. I feel like that's the number one kind of video they'd want to target, you know, is like the here's the stuff that you can if you watch this video,
Starting point is 01:08:43 you don't need to rebuy the game. You know, which. Yeah, that's well, we'll see. We'll see where that goes. I. I hear really good things about the fact that one of the characters inserted is like a therapist into the story. And that seems like really fucking necessary.
Starting point is 01:09:15 That seems really necessary. I feel like, hey, there, you're back. Hey, man, I'm back. Cool. The short summary of it is that of what I said is I feel like if someone would make a video like personally, it's too long for me to probably want to replay anytime soon, I replay it in the future. I don't replace it that often anyway. I said that I imagine if someone were to make a video that's like, here's
Starting point is 01:09:39 everything that is new. Oh, there's too much of the hours long. It would be hours long, but it would also be the type of video that Atlas probably hates because that's the thing that says, hey, you don't have to buy it again. You can just watch this and that would be 100 percent like their fear, I imagine. I guess, but that would be like, you know, like that'd be a full game. Yeah, that'd be like 30 hours of like, you know. And then the other thing I was saying is that I hear that like one of the new
Starting point is 01:10:07 characters is a therapist for the kids, a counselor, which sounds fucking like immaculate because it's like, yeah. Yeah, it's a guidance counselor. Yeah, these. Hey, what do you want to be when you grow up? Oh, it's not a therapist. It's a counselor. OK, OK, school counselor.
Starting point is 01:10:23 OK, fair. I just. Hey, kid, you got problems at home? Yeah, I'm a criminal. Ah. Well, more like post Kawakami Kamashita, rather post Kamashita, you would think that there would be some serious therapy on campus for these kids. I don't know why everyone keeps saying it's a fucking therapist, considering the arcana is literally the counselor arcana.
Starting point is 01:10:54 OK, well, it's the type of thing it's 100 percent what I was thinking to myself. I'm like, yeah, the fact that kids are supposed to just deal with a fucking predator teacher followed by an attempted suicide and then just like back to school. Do, do, do, like just, you know, I'm like, OK, what? Like there were definitely you need someone to show up and be like, hey, kids, let's talk about what the fuck just happened here.
Starting point is 01:11:28 You know, you might not understand some of it. We can at least provide, even if it's the most generic, you know, a fucking state coverage on it, they would at least do you would at least like hope for that much, you know? But anyway, is he did you meet him yet? I have not. So apparently he is, in fact, a actual therapist brought in specifically due to Kamashita, wonderful, perfect.
Starting point is 01:11:52 He has been given the counselor, what do you call it, arcana specifically to trick me. Awesome. Awesome. That's exactly the type of thing that I'm like, yeah, this would be necessary. Great. Great. Yeah, it would make sense. Oh, man, we had a lot of abuse and suicides and beatings here by a student,
Starting point is 01:12:09 by a teacher. Huh. We got to cover this up. How do we cover it? I mean, that's what it's better. OK, good. It happens in real life, you know, it happens. There's tons of instances where it's like
Starting point is 01:12:21 when something traumatic like that happens in a particularly public way. You know, I mean, fuck that news station that aired the HMOs are evil guy. Oh, yeah. Mr. Shotgun man. After that, they were like, if you need therapy, call this number. We are providing one. You know, so that's nice. It's yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:44 But anyway, that's going to. Yeah, game's still good, but and that has more good stuff. It seems a lot more integrated than golden was. Do you remember? You played golden, right? Yeah, golden really throws it in at a clear moment in time with it. There's a real fucking poochification going on in golden. There's there's a whole there's a there's a pooch chapter.
Starting point is 01:13:09 There's a pooch chapter, yeah, for sure, for sure. It's like it's it's there's a real story and the pooch begins, pooch rises. Oh, I don't I don't just mean the pooch chapter, though, there is that, right? I mean, like right away, they're like, hello, I am Margaret and this is poochy. Hello, I'm poochy f-stake from the meme, you know. Kasumi feels. She's well, she's she's a massive poochy. She's poochy to the max.
Starting point is 01:13:39 But she's a better, more integrated, more natural poochy. Well, my question was going to be that like I you have to imagine that she can't be of much consequence because she is injected. You know, she's the whole she's in the whole game, but she only comes to like the party in essentially the new shit, right? So so it would feel like an optional party member in an RPG, right? You know, that's that's the yeah, there's a feeling of like this is core and this is
Starting point is 01:14:17 did you go can fulfill the conditions and then talk to this person? Then you get this party member, but otherwise you don't. And if you didn't, there's doesn't feel like there's a huge hole missing. I'm I'm personally pretty excited because they completely redid. How do I put it? Yeah, you fee you fee a hundred percent. So in Golden, we had poochy, right?
Starting point is 01:14:45 But then in Golden, we also had redone culprit. Or tweaked culprit. Let's say I didn't know about that. Yeah. OK. So hey, guess what? I mean, we're super old, but I'm still going to give the spoiler alert because it's the main reason to play the game. Yeah. Right. Yes, it's an old spoiler, but it's so significant to the game and the purpose
Starting point is 01:15:09 of spending the 80 plus hours playing it. So well, a spoiler alert for all I'm saying. I'm going to say is that as of now in the original now. OK, go ahead. In the original percent of four culprit was much more de-emphasized as a character in general than they were in Golden. All right. In five culprit. It was a character.
Starting point is 01:15:34 You remember how that happened? Yeah, in four original there. They didn't have as many scenes before the reveal. Not not nearly here. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to send you a message on Discord. OK. In that case. Yeah, that takes away from that.
Starting point is 01:15:54 That would take away from that a lot in my head. You can check what I just sent you. You want you want a nice like you want you want that you want that that who done it moment to be like, you know, to have some weight on it. You say, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it, I see it. So it's not that big, but what they do in five. But like that's that's a huge that's a huge difference for sure.
Starting point is 01:16:27 But instead of that, which they didn't for which was like I give the spoiler warning, so it's it's literally like he get he gains an S link. Culpert gets an S link. Otherwise, it wasn't there. In five, Culpert doesn't gain an S link, but is almost entirely rewritten. In Royal, sorry. Interesting. Which is really bizarre.
Starting point is 01:16:53 I would like to know I'm I'm kind of. I'm kind of like to know how that's interesting. Baffled as to how they're going to go through with that, because that sounds awful. That sounds like the worst that it's rewritten. Yes, not if it's rewritten for the better. I mean, if his link is because like his link could be improved. You know, there's ways that his link could be improved.
Starting point is 01:17:37 I would like to see. I guess like. You kind of you kind of have these little incidental, you know, moments that. Considering what you know by the end of the game, like you could I could see ways to put more weight and gravitas to those those little encounters, you know what I mean? Mm hmm. But yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:08 I'm sorry, I'm getting a bunch of bizarre messages from a friend of mine right now. OK. Could you give me a second, please? No problem. Sorry about that. No worries. OK, so anyways, in the meantime, here's what I'll say. It doesn't seem it doesn't seem likely that we're heading for a world
Starting point is 01:18:35 where persona five arena exists. It doesn't seem likely. I kind of was very excited at the prospect, especially when there was those, you know, everyone's following the copyrights. They're following the. Oh, you know, Atlas trademarked this, Atlas trademarked that. And you're like, yeah, you know, maybe it's among those, you know, but.
Starting point is 01:19:07 It's it's it's such a bummer, man, because like, even if they had to, let's say, even if it wasn't like a quote unquote sequel to P4 arena, even if it was like a brand new P5 characters only kind of game like P4A and P4U were so much fun. And there were just such interesting fighting games that to see what they would do now with the level of like fucking just beautiful design aesthetic and that they have.
Starting point is 01:19:42 And like, you know, with all the with all the the experience that like Arxis has gained, like it would be unbelievable. Like, I think I think it would give Strive a run for its money, you know? I think it really would. It would be everything they built off of. I'm back. Sorry about that. Today is no problem fucking popping off like crazy. Just talking about the idea that.
Starting point is 01:20:07 Oh, I was I was still here. I didn't actually leave. I just had to. Yeah, I feel like P5 P5A would give Strive a run for its money, possibly if they if they put all that the combined experience and money and love and artistry into it that we've been seeing from Arxis recently. And I mean, fuck, like if you want an example, look how great scramble looks, you know, scramble looks gorgeous. Don't stream it, though.
Starting point is 01:20:33 No, don't stream it. Scramble looks so bad. Fuck Atlas, like so I'm I'm I'm playing P5 Royal and I'm really enjoying it and it's just intrinsically linked with like, man, Atlas just doesn't like me personally. Hurts my feeling. Stegosaurus is staring at you like like Monday alerts at 99 percent. Yeah, like like Mundus in the DMs in Dino,
Starting point is 01:20:59 staring in his tower and looking down at the city. Like, I hate it. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think considering that, you know, and obviously the dancing games, we we, you know, I've been I've been thoroughly warned about their quality. But like scramble, they're not good. Scramble looks pretty fantastic. And yeah, I'm I'm I'm really sad.
Starting point is 01:21:26 I'm really sad that it seems like P5A is not on the horizon. It's extra sad considering so I got the fancy version that came with all the DLC, which is hilarious because it takes like 17 button presses to actually unlock all of it. And one of the things in there is like a shadow operative costume. And it looks like the cost. It looks like Persona five arena cost. Oh, man, like we graduated and this is what we're doing in life. Kind of like that.
Starting point is 01:21:58 Because because the the P4A designs are basically like, OK, post high school, what are you doing? What are you up to? It's like a it's like a look where they they have like black suits with ties and like red goggles and like the like a similar seas looking armband thing. And it's like what the like mean, the fucking Nazi armbands. Yeah, well, Japan apparently has decided that they're going to try and keep that going. I'm going to pretend the armbands are not what they are.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Like what are we doing? Yeah, no, man. Why they got to ruin armbands? Yeah, armbands are cool. No, big, big, big cheer team squads have them, too. The O&N and glove on fight cheer squad people or they got those things going to armbands are there. Yeah, they love them.
Starting point is 01:22:53 They love the armbands, but I don't know if you can save them, unfortunately. Maybe Persona three, they weren't bad. Maybe if you pick a color that is not red. Yeah. You know, it's funny because in in P for dancing all night, I think it's I think it's you, but he doesn't have an armband, but he does have an armband Dana right instead. And it's yellow friendly yellow.
Starting point is 01:23:21 Yeah, the fact that the cease uniform also happens to just be like and it's red. It's like, you know, you know, there it is. So those DLC costumes and all that shit are massive ripoffs and no one should get them, but they do come with one cool thing. And it's the DLC costumes for all the different like Atlas games. If you change them on Joker, the battle music changes. Sorry, cease uniforms designed by Hugo Boss.
Starting point is 01:23:56 No, it would be it would be designed by like Mitsuru's like uncle, who was a colleague of Hugo Boss or some shit. Sure. It changes the music. Yeah. So I, in fact, I saw a clip my friend made of like one of those one of those showtime attacks was being played over mass destruction. Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck, that's cool.
Starting point is 01:24:22 I really wish you could just change that without the cost. It's only costume. You it's only Joker's cost. That is a humongous bummer. That sucks. That's a huge, so like easy to fix problem. So for example, I really like his Persona 5 Dancing Star Knight outfit, but I hate the song that goes with it.
Starting point is 01:24:47 Does it play so does it play? If you go P4, does it play original battle theme or? Other two are gold. The the the classic look plays time to make history. And the Persona 4 Dancing All Night one plays Reach Out to the Truth. OK. Because. But yeah, those are both great,
Starting point is 01:25:11 but you got to reach out to the truth on that, you know. P5, but better and even longer for extra value. Time to make time to make history is is it's fine. It's just not anywhere near as good, you know. Yeah, but it's a good song. As somebody as somebody put a lot of time into golden and P4 original. The main thing is that time to make history. Is a little easier to listen to 40,000 times.
Starting point is 01:25:43 Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. And P5 has the same thing going on where there's now two battle themes. Last surprise is the one you get normally. And what's it called? Takeover is the one you get if you ambush anybody. So you mostly hear takeover and it's just as good as last surprise, but it's a little easier to listen to on repeat.
Starting point is 01:26:04 I would say time to make history has easier is listening and like it like it because it has a better like verse to verse to bridge, you know, and then but then the chorus is not as strong. You know, yeah. What else do I want to say about it? Yeah, there are some changes that are really, really minor overall. Like they're not the biggest deal in the world, but to anybody who played and beat the game, they would probably make your eyes
Starting point is 01:26:37 light up. Some of the confidants had their abilities changed and there are two that are really like important. Did you ever get to get UG to rank seven? Probably in his confidant, probably where he unlocks the ability that when you sneak attack anybody below a certain level, they just die. OK, you remember how that gave you nothing?
Starting point is 01:26:59 You would get a mask, you'd get the persona if you didn't. Yeah, but you never got any money or XP. OK, now you do. So that made grinding like a total pain. OK, so they changed it so that you do get the money and the XP. OK, so yeah, OK. So you hit up Mementos with that shit and just roll around and just fucking don't even fight the battles anymore.
Starting point is 01:27:23 It doesn't even matter. So is Mementos completely different? Mementos has been changed significantly. There's a there's a shopkeeper in there. There's collectibles to find down there. There's just a little bit more to do. And the other one is the other confidant that they changed is Chahaya, the fortune teller.
Starting point is 01:27:45 Her final skill, once you unlock it, just straight up tells you what the right answer to every social language question in the game is. Yeah, sure. For the replay and sure. I see that. Well, you can unlock her. You can hit rank 10 with her like a third of the way through the early.
Starting point is 01:28:07 OK, yeah. And it's the kind of thing is like nobody can compete with Becky in terms of like time management, right? Like the ability to just go out at night after doing whatever was super powerful. Of course, it's double. It's double time. So Becky's nerfed. The reason why Becky is nerfed is because often Mona will let you. He won't let you go out when you're tired from Mementos,
Starting point is 01:28:33 but he will let you do stuff in LeBlanc. Yeah. So he will let you watch DVD. He will let you clean up. Yeah, you're still stuck inside, but you're still you can still do a nighttime activity at home. Yeah. Back in the day, it was just like, you know, go to bed, bitch. OK. So Becky nerfed Chahaya Buff.
Starting point is 01:28:49 OK. And also you remember Tower Kid, the one with the gas smoked hat? Yeah. No big changes to him. But because you can use guns in every battle, he's actually way more useful. Oh, interesting. OK. Because before you get like 40 handgun shots for like a whole dungeon. Yeah. And it's like you could blow those in one fight.
Starting point is 01:29:09 Here you get like eight, but it's every single fight. So you could use like you could use like downshot every single fight against bosses that becomes a motherfucker. Yeah. OK. I it's better than saving all your bullets for the bosses. I would I would like them to rework the the the computer. What about the computer shopping? Like it like it almost sucks that it takes time because you're just it's just item inquire acquisitions or repairing the laptop.
Starting point is 01:29:37 Yeah, like I feel like I feel like every like the fact that you have to go into that and then do those activities and they take up your night kind of sucks. Like that should just be a cost, you know, some of those materials. You do you do get way more like overall nighttime freedom now. So they're like so they added the month to the end of the game. But if you combine all the evenings that you were locked in to doing bullshit before that are now free, you gain probably about like 60 days, maybe 100 days. Is the extra month at the end?
Starting point is 01:30:09 Yeah, it's January. OK, just like golden. We're like, oh, we dealt with that now for. Another thing, whatever. I wonder again, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. No, I think. I think it was pretty much clear from the jump that's like every persona game
Starting point is 01:30:34 has had this kind of thing happen. So like if you're if you're patient and you're willing to wait long enough, then like, yeah, so when persona six comes out, wait four years, if you if you are willing to wait long enough, if you weren't if you weren't rushing towards it anyway, then yeah, you could exactly put that time in. Otherwise, it's going to be what it is, you know. Or what you could do is just beat it. The incident comes out and don't do a new game plus run.
Starting point is 01:31:00 Did you? No, I did not. OK. Because I figured this was going to happen. That's correct. So you still can't date Psy. That's not OK. That's not OK.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Game gets a point docked. You can't can't, you know, there's all those Ryuji lines where you can go for it and he's just like, hey, I'm happy to see you're happy, bro, bro, you know, or like, oh, look at you, you're pretty excited. Anyway, you're just like, yeah, you know, you know, maybe you know what the problem is. What is the problem? Joker doesn't have meth.
Starting point is 01:31:47 That's true. If you had meth, those girls be eating out of the palm of his meth. Those husbands, bro. Meth. Oh, that's true. Infinite husbands. You know what? Ryuji is totally the type of moron who you could trick into getting addicted to meth.
Starting point is 01:32:05 He runs. He's a runner. Hey, I can tell you exactly. Here's here's here's the two step program of getting Ryuji addicted to meth. Step one, get meth. Step two, tell Ryuji he can run really fast on the meth. Tell him.
Starting point is 01:32:24 And then step three is Ryuji's and he will go for real. Tell him it's a workout supplement. Yeah. If he wants to get nice and buff and impress everybody, he should start taking this. Yusuke, you could draw really cool stuff if you were high on meth. Really? Fascinating. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:32:47 Yeah, you get such a dumb ass and an ass. I hate Yusuke. He's my favorite party member in battle and I hate him. Yeah, he's he's very, very, very good in battle. And not only that, I hung out with him all the time and I was cursing under my breath the whole time being like, oh, his sword is cool and his ice is great. You need him. Shut up about your art.
Starting point is 01:33:13 I also did you ever do card copying? I did it like once or twice for something really good. But I feel like it was two or three times. Not that not not a big deal. Yeah, and then there's all those little things to where it's like, got to go get your kale shake, got to go get your yeah, all that. Anyway, so they added a lot of those things to the game. So I saw the daily life stuff.
Starting point is 01:33:40 I saw one where you take the twins to fucking Big Bang Burger. Yeah, you can date the twins or sorry, you can take the kids out on a date. The twins. Is that what they call it? I don't know. But I was I was reading a breakdown of like what's new in Royal. And one of them was you can take the twins out on a dude. My impression of that was you're going on a babysitting adventure. That's what I thought it was.
Starting point is 01:34:10 Anyway, here's hoping here's hoping that I assume it is a babysitting adventure where you take the twins down to Big Bang Burger and then you win them a happy meal toy and then they're happy that you get them the toy. That's that's what I got. Hopefully that's what I got. Just like when you hung out with Elizabeth and she didn't know what the fountain was. Don't remember. Did did Margie ever leave the velvet room?
Starting point is 01:34:40 I don't think so. The twins suck. My mother doesn't ever go to your room. I don't remember. I think she does. Yeah, she does. So there's that. Totally like that shit goes down.
Starting point is 01:35:02 That shit totally goes down anyway. Darn. Yeah, game's good. Super long, super ridiculously long. Even more so. Much improved. For guy, there's all sorts of shit I had mentioned. Like they added a whole new area and like 10 new things to do with your time,
Starting point is 01:35:19 like billiards and darts and shit. Did they just throw in new persona as well? Oh, yeah, a bunch of new persona. Cool. So that they could be ready for SMT five, right? Yeah, no. All right. So
Starting point is 01:35:40 to put it into perspective and this is this is a a a black mark against both games. I was able to completely beat RE3 remake on its hardest initially selectable difficulty in the time that it took to get control of my character for real in Persona five. Yes, yes. The railroading in P five is
Starting point is 01:36:10 probably maybe I'm just misremembering. I could totally be misremembering, but it felt longer than any other. Right. It was. Yeah. OK. In P three, it was like three hours. P three takes a minute to get you in your your railroaded for a while in P three. In P five, sorry, in P four, it's like five hours.
Starting point is 01:36:34 And in P five, it's like eight hours. It's crazy. Yeah, you are you are on a track. You are you are on a track. Yeah. Um, I imagine I imagine on replay, if you're mashing through the dialogue, a lot of that becomes a variable. So if you're doing like a P three new game plus, I imagine you just you can blast
Starting point is 01:36:59 through it and just like, you know, you're not reading anything. But if you are, in fact, going through with that first time, you're feeling that length for sure. So I have confirmation from a friend of mine, my head mod to guy and a good long term friend of mine, a guy named Strident, he was challenged or dared or whatever by some dumbass that, oh, you couldn't beat Persona five Royal in like a weekend, turns out that cut scene skip shit is really powerful. Cause if you just mash through and skip every fucking cut scene and piece of
Starting point is 01:37:37 dialogue in P five, you can clear that in like 30 hours. So here's my question. Is it doing fast forward times a hundred on the dialogue? Like all of it just as fast as a human can go. Okay. Now it would be, I talked about this before and it would be unreasonable to expect, but I would have jumped on if they did the 999 feature that is old save file, new game plus, we are going to gray out text.
Starting point is 01:38:18 You've already read and stop when it's new. Yeah. See, that wouldn't work because it would like they've, they put in like so in like a conversation of like 30 lines. They've, they've put in like three new lines and then certain scenes take place in slightly different locations and stuff like that. Like it would still be stopping you constantly and it'd be really weird. Or if they change the word here or there.
Starting point is 01:38:43 Yeah. Perhaps. Fair enough. Yeah. They went to the trouble of rerecording a bunch of the dialogue and adding all this stuff and yet they still say Sakamato and Takamaki and all this shit. They didn't fix that shit. And it's like, it's infuriating.
Starting point is 01:38:58 It's absolutely infuriating. Yeah. Well, you know, hammer at it. Bless you. You know, do it, do it, do what you gotta do. And, and here's what I will, here's what I would like to know in the end, right? Is that like additional content aside, additional content can be fantastic, but changes to main plot are not necessarily always for the best.
Starting point is 01:39:23 So the big curious is like, is this better? I didn't care for Golden's story additions. I really didn't care for it, but Golden's gameplay stuff was like incredible. For P5 Royal, I mean, I just started, right? But so far, there have been a lot more little baby tweaks. And I've liked all of those so far. OK. This probably invalidates P5.
Starting point is 01:39:57 Well, you know, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. But I mean, like, unless there's something that like completely ruin in ruins the final bit, which, you know, is possible, but unlikely. Cool. OK. Interesting. So, yeah. So by the way, if you want to check me streaming that and FF7 remake, which is coming out this week, apparently, you can check that out over twitch.tv slash Pat stairs that.
Starting point is 01:40:28 But before that, last week, I streamed already three. And like I said, it's a black mark against both games. I was able to completely one hundred percent beat. Yeah. Hardcore. So you one shot at three. One shot at that. Yeah. Just sat down and did it. Now, this was like going off of, of course, like textbook memory of having this since your childhood. But like shit was not identical, right?
Starting point is 01:40:52 There was enough changes. No, in fact, that the old game was. In fact, I would say that I mean, you saw you've seen enough of R2 over the years and you play the remake where you saw like, oh, it was faithful. And but they changed it, right? R3 is not like that. R3 is a completely different game. Head to toe, head to toe.
Starting point is 01:41:14 And yeah, there is there's almost no overlap with the original. Nemesis is there and it is in Raccoon City. And you do go to a hospital, right? But it's the the room layout maps different. The the map, the where enemies are, what enemies are in it, what the what they act like. It's completely different. Full police station was still like left side, right side. Oh, yeah, it was still nearly faithful.
Starting point is 01:41:46 It was it was updated as cats got mats in his fucking hair. Oh, my God, you're so now does it kind of you out to not see like fully realized 3D versions of like the map, you know. Absolutely. And in fact, the biggest bummer is that, yeah, Resident Evil games are short games, right? This one feels short because. They cut a lot. They expanded in places that I don't think they really
Starting point is 01:42:15 should have expanded and they cut a lot. They cut about half of the city part of the game. Was it fluff? No, they cut the first half. Hmm. Everything that Jill does in the original game all the way up until like a little bit after the police station is gone. And now Carlos is the one that goes to the police station. How many hours is that?
Starting point is 01:42:46 And how many hours are not hours, but like how much like like how much time is that in the in there? So Resident Evil has a really, really bizarrely fixed like formula in which you have primary location one and you go sub location of primary location and you go primary location one again. So in RE2, which you're the most familiar with now, it's the RPD, then the basement, then back to the RPD, right? And then you go to adjoining area, which is usually a sewer than lab. And they pretty much all do that. In RE1, it was a mansion guardhouse mansion. In RE3, it was a city, then city, then clock tower, then hospital.
Starting point is 01:43:37 Here they've truncated city dramatically and it's a lot more linear and they've expanded on Carlos. You play a lot of Carlos in this game. It's it's about 70, 30 Jill Carlos and the hospital was greatly expanded, but like the park got cut and the the final area got completely redone. And it's it's basically a completely different game. Are there any are there any like Marvin level performances? Yes, good. Jill and Carlos kill cool, cool, absolutely kill it.
Starting point is 01:44:23 But yeah, it feels short because they it's it's not it's a pretty good game, but it's not a very good remake, if that makes any sense in that I get it. It's it's wearing the like they do a lot of cool new stuff. Like Nemesis has a lot more he does a lot more crazy things to chase you. But you also fight him less. You fight him a lot. OK, I'm being screened by people that there's more content in nightmare mode. OK, so here's the thing.
Starting point is 01:45:00 The game you start you start the game. There's assisted normal and hardcore, right? Those are your three difficulties. Once you beat hardcore, you get nightmare mode, which is an enemy and item remix, which is significantly harder. And once you beat that, you get inferno, which is a enemy and item mix again, which is more difficult. I just like to take a moment to most people are never going to see nightmare mode.
Starting point is 01:45:29 Guys, I just like to take a moment to acknowledge and laugh at the the new the new the new form of this podcast in the sense that now we have the flavoring of talking, talking, talking pause. OK, I'm being screamed at, you know, yeah. And here's the thing. Sometimes it's it's for the best. Sometimes it is the it is the fact check that is necessary when we're super wrong. Other times it's it's not, but it's always really funny. And I do like if you're if you kind of hate that that happens nowadays.
Starting point is 01:46:07 I'm sorry that that's not your thing, but it definitely is pretty funny. Just listening to this to have that pause. And so well, the world is screaming at me. Yes, the new difficulties do add remixed content. However, Max went through all of those on stream and said that it was fucking terrible. Now, I have not gone through it myself, but Max knows what he's talking about. And he fucking hated nightmare mode and thought that it wasn't play tested.
Starting point is 01:46:36 You played on and I seriously doubt they actually added new cutscenes. So wait, nightmare is not the hardest difficulty or is. No, Inferno is and you played on Inferno. No, I played on hardcore and I'm going to try nightmare later. The the game just. It feels like a big missed opportunity. And the biggest missed opportunity is you don't get to fight Nemesis enough. Nemesis in the demo, everyone's like, oh, man, he has so many moves.
Starting point is 01:47:08 He can chase you so relentlessly. It's incredible, but outside of that. Demo area. Like the cityscape. He doesn't really stalk you. Punch mom. Can you do yoga over there? It's distracting.
Starting point is 01:47:30 Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. You get two to three. You get two to three boss fights against like the Nemesis that you would expect and where he chases you and you can't really kill him. And then he kind of fucks off and becomes like a boss fight that chases you in cutscenes and it sucks. Mr. X had more of an impact on his game than Nemesis has on his really stupid.
Starting point is 01:48:01 Yeah, weird, but I guess, but Mr. X is, but then again, you said Mr. X is like the persistent mechanic. Whereas Nemesis Nemesis was the more persistent mechanic in the original. In, in the, so in original game, RE2, you would see Mr. X seven or eight times in Nemesis, the Resident Evil three Nemesis, you would see Nemesis out on the field seven or eight times, but then you also had like two or three extra boss fights against him that
Starting point is 01:48:31 were scripted. And the difference was that X couldn't chase you between rooms. Whereas Nemesis totally could in Resident Evil two remake, Mr. X is there for like a while. I mean, you remember that and he shows up a couple of times and in RE3. Nemesis shows up and you kind of get away from him and he, I think I outside of like storyline stuff. I feel like he chased me less than X did.
Starting point is 01:49:01 So it was fucking. So it sounds like the takeaway that is you prefer that the level of remake that too was, was on like, oh, absolutely faithfulness. My, my, my, my, my opinion at the end is whatever you felt RE2 was doc a point off for RE3, but so if you, if you thought RE3, RE2 remake was like incredible 10 out of 10, yeah, I give this one a nine. But, uh, I guess if you wanted to look at a silver lighting, um, perhaps that's indicative that like they're willing to completely change
Starting point is 01:49:34 something that would need complete changing, such as I guess from what I hear code Veronica. Yeah, but this one didn't need it. Right. You're saying RE3 was good. It didn't need the changes, but like, so let me, let me, let me give you a good example. Um, uh, Nemesis, this, you can go, uh, people can go check out
Starting point is 01:49:53 the clip from my stream, but, uh, Nemesis shows up the first time you burst through a wall and you're like, okay, time to fight Nemesis. Let's go. And I clicked, I think it was left on my D pad and through a grenade at him and then he took one step towards me. The grade grenade went off a, uh, chat, uh, item box flew out of Nemesis's chest and he took a knee for multiple minutes and let me beat the entire sequence while he was down.
Starting point is 01:50:22 Okay. And that was on the hardest initially selectable difficulty. Okay. And it was like, Oh, wow. Oh, great. Yay. Whereas it was an old game. Would, there were no nights in the old game, but even then like,
Starting point is 01:50:38 there was no way to do anything other than fight your ass off against, like he's easy. Yeah. He's easy to down. He's easy to beat. He's less scary than X and then you can dodge and then pop your X factor and do Jill loops. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:55 Absolutely. Uh, and like the games only about an hour, maybe an hour and a half shorter than RE two, but it's so much more linear that it feels a lot shorter. Where in RE two, you had the big police station that you were exploring for most of the time and where the, the, you know, item progression path of you got to get this key, then this key, then this key was in fact linear.
Starting point is 01:51:24 Your ability to explore around the RPD and go into different rooms at your leisure. You could do that for a while in RE three. It's pretty much only the first area that's like that. And then it becomes very linear for the rest of the game. It's a, it's a bummer. Okay. So characters overall improved, uh, game progression, uh, easier
Starting point is 01:51:46 and doubt and like not as good. Uh, yeah. And you still also, there's no puzzles in the game. It's not one puzzle. Is that a bad thing? Kind of. Oh, sorry. No, I'm wrong.
Starting point is 01:52:01 There's one puzzle in the game. Here's a single puzzle in the entire game and it is, uh, three buttons that are, you sit, uh, mid, low or high and then you have to get the things in the middle to line up. I mean, but like, cause RE puzzles that I'm thinking of like the fucking book and the statue and the little like examine the object and then, you know, rotate and it's like, yeah. Well, RE two still had the, the RE two still had the, get the
Starting point is 01:52:33 power to the right level, mix the, uh, mix the, the, the fucking V Jolt to kill the plants, uh, get the, the puzzle pieces for the, the weapons locker. And there were a couple of others that I forget. Um, but it and like even past that there were like, I wouldn't call them puzzles, but their item completion things of like, uh, go get the puzzle pieces that will go get the gear from here and then the crank from here in order to do the clock
Starting point is 01:53:03 tower thing, right? In RE three, it is go get the fire hose to hose down the fire and then that, that will be open and they're all basically just keys. Okay. How much it feels way more like a platinum game, which is probably because people that used to make platinum games worked on it.
Starting point is 01:53:28 How much, um, giddy, je ne sais quoi. Oh my God. It's the game. I remember is like, because, you know, when RE two dropped, it was like, holy shit, it's fucking resonable. Oh yeah. A lot less because it's a lot less faithful. Okay.
Starting point is 01:53:46 They're there. So when I was playing RE two the first time, there was all, there was this ever present feeling of like, Oh cool. This is what they did to library or, oh, this is how they remixed this encounter or, um, so there's a really good example. In the original RE two, you go into that West End hallway where in the remake, you find that guy with a horribly slashed face and that's where you fight your first liquor and it drops down
Starting point is 01:54:13 from the ceiling. Got it. Right. In the remake, you find claw marks on the wall and you find a dead zombie where that guy was. And then they move the first liquor encounter to the stars hallway. So it's like playing off your expectations.
Starting point is 01:54:25 That happens. I don't feel like that happened once during RE three because you don't actually inhabit the same locations almost at all. Okay. So the fucking with your expectations and then the payoff of it being similar, but not quite what you expected. It's too different to even play with that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:49 So Resident Evil, uh, one remake did the same thing where it's like similar layout, similar kinds of gimmicks, but they've been remixed and tuned up and improved so that they, they mess with you and they, they, they're both a new experience than they play off your old experience. Whereas in this one, it's like, Oh, I wonder what will happen when I get to the clock tower. And the answer is not be able to enter it at all.
Starting point is 01:55:11 Okay. And it's like, Oh, bummer. So, and, and you haven't, you haven't seen any of the extra stuff yet. Right. I have not seen any of the nightmare stuff. Okay. Um, are there like extra character chapters too and stuff like
Starting point is 01:55:26 that? Extra? No. It's, uh, you play as Jill and then you'll switch between Carlos and her throughout the story. There's no like extra survivor like stuff in that. Nope. Okay.
Starting point is 01:55:37 No extra survivor, no second campaign. Well, I mean, um, most of what you, you just talked about was like negative sounding. Uh, what? Yeah. That's one of those things where it's like, I don't want, I really, I really enjoyed it quite a bit. Hey, uh, you know what it is?
Starting point is 01:55:52 Well, do you remember all, do you remember the dozens of hours I spent talking shit about Dark Souls two and then was like, it's my game of the year. It's very similar to that where it's, Hey, it's really, really good. And it was a blast to play, but the one that came before was just so incredible and excellent. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:15 That this one just feels like a letdown. Right. Like if you're able to say in two sentences, yeah, the, the performance by the, the characters is incredible. And then it takes you like 10 minutes to walk through the specifics of why the changes are not as good. It's going to sound a lot more weighted to the negative, but that's why I'm, that's why I'm asking you to sum it up.
Starting point is 01:56:36 You know, Cause a lot of the stuff that RE2 does well, this game also does well and it feels better to play like in terms of like control because of the dodge. The dodge makes it feel great. I mean, like that just as an idea is obviously fucking sounds super rad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:56:55 Shape of nemesis being easy though, I suppose he's, he's, he's laughably easy and doesn't chase you that much. Like you fight him like 10 times, right? But a couple of those are only in a cut scene or like, you know, a microwave hallway shit. The second half of those is big scripted boss fights, you know, that are tied to certain areas. And the classic amusing air quotes nemesis that is like, oh
Starting point is 01:57:27 no, he showed up or we bust through a wall or he jumped off a building. Ah, what do I do is, is done within the game's first 90 minutes. And that is easily the best part. Do you think the shortened dev time could have had any impact on this? Maybe.
Starting point is 01:57:47 I think the fact that they bundled it with reasonable resistance should have given us a hint that the game was going to be a little thread. Oh my God, it was bundled with the multiplayer, wasn't it? Yeah. I forgot about that. I loaded that, I loaded that game up and tried the
Starting point is 01:58:02 tutorial and was like, nah, fuck it. I don't care. I don't even. Yeah. I just don't care. It's not, it's no outbreak. Is it a standalone boot or is it on the main menu? I got the PC version in which it's a completely different
Starting point is 01:58:23 entry on Steam. Yeah, it's a standalone boot. Okay. Yeah. Resident Evil, all the Resident Evil games have a problem. And it's almost every single Resident Evil game ever. So let me tell you one has it, remake has it.
Starting point is 01:58:39 No, they'll, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's really stupid. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Yeah. Every single Resident Evil game has the same problem. Whatever the first area you started is, is the best area in the game. The mansion, the RPD, the city streets, the village from RE4.
Starting point is 01:59:01 The village is the best. Yeah. That's true. That's true. I was just going through that in my head. The Baker house in RE7, et cetera. It's always the best area. RE4 is never.
Starting point is 01:59:12 The second area can sometimes be really good, like the, the, the castle in RE4. Yeah. But. Castle and the reason. Castle is a nice, it's a castle is a refreshing take a trade off from the woods and the mountain side and the fucking like, like lake, you know, but.
Starting point is 01:59:36 But islands can go fuck itself. But, but, but, but castle does not beat the village. Yeah. So, and the reason for most of that is, is because even in RE4, you can see it, but the first area is the most open and gives you the most control over you were, you want to go. Uh, that's a lot more pronounced than the classic style
Starting point is 01:59:59 games. And then you hit whatever the middle section is and becomes more linear and then you get to whatever the lab is. It's always a lab. Always. And the labs are super linear. Lots of long hallways, lots of enemies, stuff like that. As a lab would do.
Starting point is 02:00:17 To be fair. Yeah. But. So it's this thing of. Yeah. You, you kind of expect if it follows the trend that the first area is the best area. The problem with that is that RE3's first area is also like.
Starting point is 02:00:33 An hour and 20 minutes long. And then it's done. And then it's a sewer, which is kind of cool. And then it's the RPD, but it says Carlos and then it's the hospital, but it says Carlos. And then it's a really, really, really, really linear lab is Jill. And it's like, ah, I imagine like part of that is when you
Starting point is 02:00:57 design a premise that you have a setup for a game, right? You kind of, you know, you go, what's your setting? What's your, what's your cell? What's your vertical slice almost of like, you know, this is what the vision of the game is going to look like. And, you know, when you go, okay, you're in a police station, you're trapped or you're in a village and everyone's turning or, you know, any of those.
Starting point is 02:01:18 You're on the city streets. It's going back, right? You pretty much can, you're going to green light the premise that you can, you can continuously use and do a lot with. You can play with it in a lot of ways. And then at some point you go, and now it's time to change it up just so that there's some variety for the player. And then at that point, you have to kind of come up with a
Starting point is 02:01:42 second thing, you know, but the primary thing, the first area as you're describing, it's like, that's what they greenlit the GDD on, you know. So there's this weird thing that goes on with RE3 where in timeline wise, it takes place the day before and after RE2. And the most interesting thing about that was that in RE3 original, you got to see people that were alive. There were civilians that would occasionally run through
Starting point is 02:02:09 the street or, you know, whatever. And in RE3, at the very beginning of the game, you get that cool moment very similar to Last of Us where it's like, it is the exact moment where it went from like, this is a big problem to the city's falling apart. And that's cool. And then in the first city area, you see this guy ran there and you're trying to save survivors and it's like, okay,
Starting point is 02:02:34 there's people around, not that many, and maybe you only see them from a distance, you know, but they exist. And one of the cooler ideas was that, well, A, if you're gonna remake this, you know, it'd be a really cool idea to expand on the day after RE2 where the city is completely fucked and there are no humans anywhere, right? And it's just ruined. Once the date rolls over into September 30th, you'd
Starting point is 02:03:01 literally never step outside again. You are indoors the entire rest of the game. And it's like, I'm also thinking like, come on, could it be as well that like, you know, the village, the town in RE5, you know, all of the police station, all these places are like, you're seeing like, I guess like a believable setting go through this transformation. Whereas after that, you're like, the castle, the sewers,
Starting point is 02:03:31 and you're, it's the evil laboratory. And then you're like, oh, it's the video game level. It's the video game play. The sewers, the castle, the Magini town, right? The fucking blue Magini town. The marshes. Yeah. You're like, okay, we've went from the real world setting
Starting point is 02:03:47 into the video game level. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is two other things I want to say about RE3. You play through this and you're like, I'm pretty sure they're going to do four guys because there are retcons in this game that connect to four.
Starting point is 02:04:13 You know how you played four, right, Wolves? Know what? You didn't? I just know Magini town. Yeah, I played four. I played four. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 02:04:25 I'm just checking. The conversation can flow. I played four. I played four. So in four was parasites, right? Yeah. And it was big monster parasites called lasplagas. Well, one of the throwaway lines from the original game was
Starting point is 02:04:39 that the nemesis is actually a parasite from France. Ah, okay. And here it is a parasite from Europe. Okay. Not specifically the French lab. And when you fight nemesis, a big fat lasplagas pops out of his chest. It's exactly like one.
Starting point is 02:05:02 And it looks just like the centipede ones that would bite your head off in R4. Right, right. Okay. And on top of that, nemesis can turn zombies into parasitic zombies that have long tentacles that will swing at you from a distance. And on top of that, the knife in Resident Evil 3 has moves
Starting point is 02:05:24 associated with it. It has a stab. It has a stab and hop back. And it has a counter move, which is like a running jumping slash. Wow. Like an Achilles and Troy. Yeah, kind of.
Starting point is 02:05:39 It's like you do a dodge roll and then you run and essentially do like a shoryuken with a fucking knife. Okay. And I'm looking at all these things and I'm like, okay. And the other thing is that now we have this progression in which we have Resident Evil 1 remake, which is fixed camera, difficult to aim, difficult to play. You have RE2 remake, which is the, you can move and shoot
Starting point is 02:06:05 now, but your aim has to take a long time to focus in. Then you get to Jill in RE3 remake where her aim focuses much more quickly and she has the dodge. And I'm like, well, what would the jump from 2 to 3 be if it was from 3 to 4? And it would be Leon in RE4. It would be the professional. It'd be from rookie to super cop to, you know, special.
Starting point is 02:06:29 Yeah. And there's a really clear feel. Now the remakening is going to be felt a lot less hard when 4 does get made, but it's like, what are you going to do? Leave all that money on the table? You insane? Yeah. Of course you're making.
Starting point is 02:06:44 You know what they should do? They should do 4. They should also do 5. And they should do 6, but it's a completely different game. They should say it's the RE6 remake and it's completely different. It's literally like 100% just throw it out. And the reason why I said that is that they actually massively,
Starting point is 02:07:08 who cares about Resident Evil story, right? Well, Capcom does for some stupid reason and they do a massive, massive change to the story of 3 that makes 6 impossible. Oh, part of 6. Part of 6's plot is that nobody in the United States knows that Raccoon City was nuked. They just know it was blown up and they don't know why.
Starting point is 02:07:32 In 3, it's being broadcast on the news, like the national news that Raccoon City is going to get nuked because of a horrible violence. Original 3? No. This one. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:46 So it's like, oh, okay. Well, that part of 6 makes no sense now. Because like, let's all, let's all be realistic. If an American city got nuked, it would kind of be difficult to actually hide that. That would be very difficult to cover up. Impossible. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:05 And I guess moving off that to the final thing I want to say about RE3 is that the intro cutscene is a nightmare. The intro cutscene is like legitimately terrifying for real. The scariest thing in the entire game. Let me just pull it up so you can look at it for like a second. Sure. I was going to say that I imagine that like if you are, you know, if we're talking about these changes and everything like that,
Starting point is 02:08:36 when it comes to remaking for since it's already like behind the back similar camera view and since so much of it could be so similar, that would probably need to be the game with the most remixes to your expectations. Yeah. I'm trying to find this thing. Maybe a, can I get? Maybe like you can play with like chainsaw man.
Starting point is 02:09:01 Oh, that'd be the persistence. All right, here we go, Wolves. I'm going to, I'm going to timestamp you this fucking thing. Start at 48 seconds. Here you go, Wolves. Now you obviously don't have to watch this entire thing, but the thumbnail should tell you a lot. Okay.
Starting point is 02:09:22 I just clicked on it one second. Yeah. Yeah. That is, that is a clear news report about how shit is going down and so it is a live action segment that has a news reporter and a real live action riot footage and a man speaking on the White House podium talking about the most deadly outbreak in American history.
Starting point is 02:09:49 Buildings on fire. Look at all these people that worked at Universal Studios, all these extras that they fucking got into the game. And like there's this moment of like, oh, come on. Also soup. Come on. Super sterile umbrella commercial moment. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:10:10 Yeah. After, after that, it's all, it's all dumb evil shit, but it's just this moment of like this, this was timed poorly. This feels bad. Oh, you know, what are you going to, like I taught, like I said, there's a, there's that trailer on the Nintendo eShop for the, the board game pandemic and it's like, it's just like fun live action fucking talking about like how everything is going to hell.
Starting point is 02:10:38 And you're just like, wow, dude, like we were, we were playing Dokupon Kingdom this week and, and like randomly a board event just kicked in. That was just like epidemic. Oh no. Epidemic has hit the kingdom. What are we going to do? Everybody pay money.
Starting point is 02:11:01 We got to fix the problem. Got to fix it guys. You know, and it's just, there's a, there's a, there's a line of dialogue in the first like 10 minutes. Oh my God. Oh my God. There's so many infected. How did it get this bad so fast?
Starting point is 02:11:20 And Brad turns to her goes, I don't know man, but one fucked up thing always leads to another. And you just like, yeah, I tell you one thing. You're going to have, there's going to be more than enough writing prompts for anybody who needs to tell stories like this in the future. Ari, but you're trapped in a mega church that decided to hold a humongous sermon baptism thing where everyone was not
Starting point is 02:11:57 No, they're all, they're all monsters. Yeah. So you're in, you're inside of a super huge old church and like everyone's fucking turning in the congregation. Oh crap. Yeah. Um, resident evil, but it's spring break and you're trapped on the beach and the town is already gone.
Starting point is 02:12:18 And, uh, oh no, make your way from the beach to the other side of town where your hotel is and maybe you get to your car. But who knows? I don't need that. Basically anything that's happening right now where people are being utterly ridiculous. It's like, yep, that's a setting. Resident evil.
Starting point is 02:12:42 So yeah, Ari, but you're trapped in a prison. That, that game exists. Which one's that? Revelations to that. That game does exist. And Dead Island is apparently the spring break game. So yeah, that's, that's accurate. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:13:00 So yeah, resident evil three remake. It's got a bunch of cool shit. It's a fun game. It's not quite as good as RE2 kind of disappointing overall, but it's still good. That's, that's, that's my, that's my take. Fair enough. We're done now.
Starting point is 02:13:18 Cool. If you want to check the archive of that, if you want to check out P5, Royal, or FF7 Remake, or other bullshit that I do, you can check that out at twitch.tv. What's the location of Code Veronica? All I know is it starts in the graveyard. Code Veronica is in the first place is an,
Starting point is 02:13:42 an island that is deserted except for military base called Rockfort Island, which is a military slash prison colony for test subjects of umbrella. And the second part is a secret base in Antarctic. Okay, so pure video game setting. It has, it has no link to any culture, location, language. It's all labs and bases. It's one of the reasons why it sucks so much.
Starting point is 02:14:10 Couldn't create Code Veronica. It's not like a cool house. Like it's kind of nuts that like the, a military, like, Vogue Veronica. Yeah. Anyway, all right. Like they've made, look, they've made like iconic and super cool locations after like an old house in Louisiana,
Starting point is 02:14:27 but like Code Veronica has all these crazy military bases and they're the most boring fucking shit in the world. Yeah. So I think, I think, I think pointing out that the interesting first setting locations are what make those games great is like. Every single game. And the ones, and that's one that doesn't have that.
Starting point is 02:14:49 Right. So it doesn't have that, that star, that star location. Like even, even the spin offs, like the ship is the most interesting part of revelations. The prison area is the most interesting part of revelations too. Like all of them. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:15:06 It's so ridiculous that it even followed Shinji Mikami into evil within because the first area in evil within is the most interesting. Oh, no. Damn. Hey, woolly ballpark with the three areas in evil within one R. I was going to assume that they will.
Starting point is 02:15:30 Well, based on the name of the game, I honestly thought like you probably went to some creepy house and then ended up going spending most of the game inside your own head. Well, I assumed that the three locations are village castle and city. Oh man. Okay. Damn.
Starting point is 02:15:55 That's pretty predictable. Is there a lab too? Yes, because the lab is the final part of the city in the mental hospital. I honestly thought I was just based on the name and I guess that trailer I saw that I was like, oh, this is fucking in your head. Shit, you know, the cell.
Starting point is 02:16:14 See, evil within two is the best like layout of all these because evil within two on ironically goes town castle lab. But the town is like 70% of the game. Oh my God. Dude. Survival horror has a rigid. What the fuck? Why can't like, why is that so can't play with that?
Starting point is 02:16:47 Oh, like we can't pick any other settings. What do we do? Both of them. That's a whole other franchise. That that is the strongest anti-cell I've gotten for that entire series. Like, hey, you guys talking about it not being a great time. You know, not withstanding.
Starting point is 02:17:08 I hear the DLC is really great though, but. For which one? The one where you play as the boss or whatever. No, which game are you talking about? Evil within one or two? Evil within one is not that great. Evil within two is incredibly is incredible. Okay.
Starting point is 02:17:26 I think you play as the monster in the DLC for two. Yeah, everything about evil within one is kind of mediocre. I would say. Okay. Hey, Willie, you want me to, you want me to fuck you up? Fuck me up. You're a fan of Devil May Cry 1, right? Melly Island.
Starting point is 02:17:48 All right, so. What's the protection? Devil May Cry 1. Ding. It's Castle. Castle. Which is the biggest and most interesting location. Sewers.
Starting point is 02:18:04 Then you make a little side trip to the sewers. Then it's back to Castle at night. Yeah. Outside for a little bit, but whatever. And then to hell, which is the source of the evil. Uh-huh. So it might as well be a lab. Well, it's not a lab though, but you know.
Starting point is 02:18:20 Yeah. I mean, but like, DMC does end up in a lab by the time. In four, you know. Yeah, DMC has the same actual progression. Like literally all of them do. They just change lab and biomonsters for hell. Okay, but. Like look at DMC four, city, castle, jungle, lab.
Starting point is 02:18:40 Yes. Okay, but to be fair to four. To be fair to four, it is like different city, right? Yeah. And then at some point you're going through like, not sewers, but caves. And then you go Castle. And then you go, um, jungle.
Starting point is 02:19:02 Right. Um, and then you go back to other castle. But like. I mean, shit, dude, even five does it. But five does city. But, but, but, but I just, but I just mean to say that like, there's a difference between saying city and refer to thinking about like Raccoon City and saying city and meaning the Vatican.
Starting point is 02:19:24 Yeah. No, of course they're different cities, but like the, the, it is a fucking formula, man. Like it is hilarious. And like DM, like, oh, you know what DMC's remix is? The last level is either hell or not quite hell. Like DMC five, it wasn't hell. It was sky hell.
Starting point is 02:19:50 Oh yeah. It's no, no, no, it's, it's a hundred percent there for sure. I mean, hey, I can still hear you. I'm just getting up to get some water. Yeah. Like city to rooftops, rooftops to sewers. It's, it's all still there. And then you spend a budget.
Starting point is 02:20:06 There's only so many locations you can possibly go. But they're always in the same fucking order. Well, um, credit to credit where credit is due. Bayonetta ends up on a fucking sky ship and airship. Um, again, another Vatican-esque city when you're running through Vigrid. Um, Bayo at some point ends up like literally just on a vehicle on like, you know, on the road, on the back of moving things. And then Bayo goes to fucking space, you know.
Starting point is 02:20:44 Um, Bay, Bayo, Bayo tries a little bit to not go so hard. And not go so hard into a lot of the aforementioned things. Bayo too has big old city for a while though. Hey, let me, let me really, let me really bust it down for you. Cause Bayo, you know what Bayo's doing? It's not taking its roots from the Devil May Cry or, um, uh, Resident Evil formula. It's taking it from the anime formula, which is empty wasteland slash village city space. And it's the same thing every time.
Starting point is 02:21:25 I mean, well, if you're going level by level, like in just like graveyard to plane. I mean shit. Well, they like, DMC five even splits the difference between hell and space. And then it's hell, but it's really high. No, I'm just, I'm thinking of the empty wasteland area you were talking about. Like, uh, where, which party are you referring to? In Gurren Logan, you know, like in Bayo, I mean, like the villages. Cause you go from, you go from graveyard, uh, then you're on the back of the jet.
Starting point is 02:22:07 And then it cuts to you going to the city. You're going through, then you go through Vigrid for a while. For Bayo, for Bayo, it's city, city, city, city, city, city, space. It's pretty much the one level. Road back of back of back then, then, then air sky, you know, uh, and then space. Yeah. Space comes in and you spend some time in space. Uh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:22:32 Yeah. Yeah. I guess, I guess so. And at the end of the day too, like you put all fucking video games on a goddamn roulette wheel and didn't crank them and you know, you're going to get, you're going to get, you're going to get a set of textures. I mean, this, this kind of goes like to a place. The, the main thing is that the Rizziable series does it so it like it's so, um, set
Starting point is 02:22:52 in stone. It's always the first area is the biggest, then you go to a little baby area, then you go back to the first area and like, so it's one, two, one, three, four. And it's that way for all of them. Here's what I will say. Um, the details matter. And like, if you're describing like, you know, like evil within following that same formula in that way.
Starting point is 02:23:17 Um, I guess zoomed out and hearing it in that like simplified way. You kind of, I kind of go like, Oh my God, really. But let's not forget that, uh, a game like, um, Hollow Knight presents you 14 different kinds of caves. Oh man. Right. Hollow Knight presents you with caves and then caves to, and then super deep caves and then pretty caves.
Starting point is 02:23:47 You get caves where like, like, this cave's got rock. This cave has bodies falling from the heavens. Oh, right. So you got, you got like, you know, and then you, and then eventually you hit like, okay, here's creepy lab. Here is a steampunk city, but then you connect right back to fucking caves. You know? So, so Hollow Knight is like 14 different flavors of cave and you, you, you get the,
Starting point is 02:24:14 the art of how they're designed. Here's city cave. Yeah. Here, you know, and like the, the, here's gross cave, but the details matter. So, uh, sticking with the formula is fine. If the details are interesting and fresh, super gross cave. Uh, I would like to, I would like to point out that somebody, uh, uh, is trying to get me going, RE7 doesn't have a lab in the end.
Starting point is 02:24:42 That's right. It's a salt mine. And in that salt mine, you discover the lab. Now the lab is only two rooms, but that qualifies it as the lab. Okay. Well, uh, let me take the opportunity right there to, uh, interject with a quick word from our sponsors. Okay.
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Starting point is 02:34:49 All right. Well, you want to take a five minute break because I could go for another pee. I've been drinking. You can go for a pee? Yeah. You want to go for a pee, bro? Yeah, let's see. Hey.
Starting point is 02:35:00 Hey, bro. Let's go for a pee. All right, bro. I'm down to pee. All right, bro. I've seen a bit. Yeah, I'm going to start peeing right now. Big pee.
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Starting point is 02:35:28 Yes, a big piss of solid food baby from my ass. Oh, that's not a piss. It's a form of piss. All right, well, you know, bodily functions. They're horrible. They're pretty horrible. I hate them. Well, was it a was a healthy, good color?
Starting point is 02:36:00 I don't know, man. As long as there's no blood in it, I figure I'm good. No, the color tells you a lot. Yeah, you know, sometimes doctors are like, you know, take a picture of that shit. Let me know. I'm going to be like, damn, I guess. I guess you're dead. Yep.
Starting point is 02:36:19 I know if you take a white shit, that means you have like horrible barium poisoning. Yes. Yes. So light color, white almost is super bad. We're out. We're out. We're out. We're out.
Starting point is 02:36:37 We're out. We're out. We're out. All right. So I had a week and things happened in it. What? Crazy. Well, yeah, so I guess first I will.
Starting point is 02:36:52 First I will bring up not a ton of things, just really, really short, but one, a shout out to the folks over at hero versus that, that mobile game that I'm in, it's the fighting game and it's coming along. It looks pretty cool. They put the teaser up and they put the some combo footage up and they just, they just sent like literally right before we started, they just sent a box with like stuff in it. So I'm like, I'm holding up one of these like shirts that has like me printed on it with the thing.
Starting point is 02:37:26 You are. Yeah. It says king of the ring. And then there's like these cards that have the same thing on it and then there's like a poster and like hoodies like it's a big old merch bomb of like me as a fighting game character printed on a bunch of stuff and it's like, oh fuck, that's really cool. So we're there. So shout outs to the hero versus.
Starting point is 02:37:50 I like that, that the first combo they show off is like some sick boxer pressure into some dirty resets and a command grab and it's like, fuck yeah, watch out. I took a look. We had a little bit of a race wars and took a look at sonic robo blast to cart and and sonic robo blast to was the, the sonic game I talked about not too long ago. I'm shocked that you just added the word cart to the end of that and it's a new game. Well, so the reason why is because when I originally found the way I originally found out about this game was a podcast topic that was about this, the cart game.
Starting point is 02:38:34 So you may not remember it, but it's the one where the trailer I was describing, they showed off basically a bunch of different like all sonic characters racing in a cart game. But then they showed off like beat from Jetset radio and then ooh la la and then I I and then fucking Kiryu riding in a race cart, right? He would do that. And then it and then you got a bunch of Sega characters all together. And then on top of that, they're like, how many levels does it have 7080 not? And then it's like, it's like as the whole trailer goes on by the end, it's like there's
Starting point is 02:39:12 over a hundred tracks. That's very many tracks. It's insane. So we decided to take a play, take a little look at it and play it. And yeah, man, it feels really good. It feels almost like a right in between Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart. The original. OK.
Starting point is 02:39:34 Super Mario Kart. Yeah. It feels like right in between those very tightened, very nicely responsive controls. Again, tons of characters to choose from and it's essentially it's a modded version of Super Robo Sonic Robo Blast 2 that that 2D sprites on a 3D engine do mod game. They turned it into a card game. And yeah, it's like a fucking perfect card game. It's got perfect.
Starting point is 02:40:03 That's quite the goddamn like state is it is really, really it is all the things I like about the old Mario Kart games, you know, I felt it. It had like a ridiculous number of racers to choose from with different stats and had a ridiculous number of colors to like set them to get a full like probably like maybe like 60 colors per character to choose from so you can run any color OC tails that you want to be green tails. You can do the green tails. I want to be weed the tails for 20 the tails.
Starting point is 02:40:43 You've got four different shades of green to pick from. Oh my goodness. And then there's fun little tie in stages like here's mementos with the mementos music. What? Here's the Super Mario. Here's Princess Peach's. Oh, I guess that is so good, isn't it? Huh?
Starting point is 02:41:04 That's weird. No, no, no. It's not about that. At this point, it's just fan service, right? So like Vice from Skies of Arcadia is a fucking driver you can you can choose, you know, it doesn't matter. Hatsune Miku is a is a is a racer like it's just throwing in all kinds of wacky shit in there.
Starting point is 02:41:26 You can. Yeah, you can race in mementos. You can race in there's literally just tracks lifted from Mario Kart and put it to it. So like, yeah, in case you wanted to go do that, you can steal tracks. And you can get that fucking list up there. Yeah. Um, so ton of ton of great mods that have been done and this is a it's a mod and that people have modded this mod to be to to feature even I see.
Starting point is 02:41:53 So but like when you go to the official download for it, like it comes and you go to the add-ons and you like you can turn on these extra characters as like little add-ons and things like that and add on tracks and shit. So you're modding the mod to get a really solid racing game. You know, I am like notably bad. I'm worse than I thought because I remember our car is not your thing. Well, no, I remember when I thought I was okay at them because I played them and had a lot of fun as as a kid, you know, and over the years I would be like, yeah, like I enjoy
Starting point is 02:42:31 some Mario Kart. And I guess, uh, hitting some of like the, the, what I would consider like more difficult levels is like when we start leaving the, um, the racetrack levels, yeah, because there's always a city and there's a city with 90 degree turns on it every time. Yeah. There's, there's a city where you have to just like completely swerve or you hit the face of a building and like the track is basically navigating through a grid of 90 degree turns. And I'm always like, oh man, like I'm, I'm having a hard time with that, especially like
Starting point is 02:43:05 not knowing the, the, the lap, the route, you're like, is that a left or a right? And you're not sure. Um, I, I, you know, but, but aside from my ability, uh, the game is, is, is a very good racing game and it was a pretty fun time. Um, I would, uh, I would definitely put it up there, um, even though, you know, it's, it's, it's, and it's, it's coming off of the, the, the engine I liked with, uh, robo blast two. So big shout outs to that and just the, the sheer volume of content inside of it.
Starting point is 02:43:38 Did you ever play blur? No, but I know it. It's the weirdest fucking thing. It's just the weirdest fucking, cause I was just thinking like, you're like, it's pretty great and it's right up there. And I'm like, how much competition do cart racers have? There's Mario cart, which rules the roost all the time. CTR, CTR, but that was just like, that's like, that's both old and new.
Starting point is 02:44:04 And there's really only two CTRs. And then blur tried blur was weird, man. CTR was, CTR was pretty fun. I enjoyed CTR. I think, um, there's a couple others that tried, you know, uh, I mean, there's fucking Sonic, right? Although it's not exactly a cart, but the idea remains, TSR was just fucking whatever, you know, there's obviously Diddy Kong.
Starting point is 02:44:33 Oh, right. Um, Sonic team racing is not Sega All-Star for racing. Yeah. Those are somehow different. Those are not fairly confusing. There's fucking Garfield. Is there a cart? Yep.
Starting point is 02:44:49 Huh. So, you know, there's a couple of different, uh, mascot racers out there and a couple of other things, but, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm going to say that if you liked the Mario carts, uh, if you liked Super Mario cart, Mario cart DS, Mario cart 64, that kind of feeling of game, um, this is what, so Sonic, uh, this is what, uh, Sonic Rumble Blast 2 cart reminds me of. It was very good. I liked it.
Starting point is 02:45:18 I liked it. Um, I'm going to also, uh, mention. Nope. Oh, okay. You just check like an embargo list or. No, I, I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait. I'm working.
Starting point is 02:45:41 I'm working. I'm working through something. Oh, you're working on something. Okay. Working on something. Yeah. Uh, if you would like to tune into, uh, what we got going on, which is right now, we got black Mesa, uh, where I have switched over even though, uh, so this
Starting point is 02:46:02 shout out to wool who pointed out that, um, watching the woolly versus streams is like reading the manga and, uh, well, and like watching the anime. It's such an apt comparison. It's fucking shut up. The man, we haven't caught up yet. God, it's great. It's great. Um, the, uh, so I want to say that, uh, black Mesa on YouTube just hit the
Starting point is 02:46:28 point where I had my worst controller foible, uh, yet. Was it the part where it made you go, dammit, I need a cube. Pretty much. Um, I had an extremely embarrassing encounter with a soldier and a shotgun gunpoint blank and I just couldn't fucking, it was really bad. And I went, all right, fuck this. And I, and I immediately switched and grabbed, uh, my, my, a way suitcase. And I grabbed a mouse and then I started doing the hybrid.
Starting point is 02:46:56 I did a little, uh, you know, impromptu on the, on the moment config set up for it. And then at the end of the session, I kind of refined it a little bit and whatnot. Uh, came back and then, uh, had that ready, but I also had the steam controller. So then I was like, Oh God, let me try out the steam controller. You know, so, uh, the, you know, the cube was available. The steam controller was available. I went through a lot, some of the options and I took a look and, you know, to the steam controller's credit, uh, there are many different settings.
Starting point is 02:47:28 You can customize on it with the steam overlay. That's true. There are, there are many, there are more, there are more options. I noticed on that available than like pretty much any other controller. Like, uh, set up, you can do, you can, you can set the D pad on the left side to be, uh, like a mouse wheel or a weapon wheel or just a D pad or another stick entirely or a touch to like kind of almost like represent the, um, the area of the screen you're, you're, you're clicking on type of thing.
Starting point is 02:48:01 Like it was touch screen almost. Um, and I was like, yeah, there's a lot of options there. It's still a fucking an abortion to hold in your hand. If it is the cheapest feeling controller I've ever held. It is, it is the Duke was not as cheap feeling. The Duke was more, uh, was less comfortable. But, you know, what are we saying here? That's not saying much.
Starting point is 02:48:29 It's not a great controller to hold. Um, I prefer, I'd rather hold the Ouya controller. Personally, that's where I was at and yeah, probably. Yeah. Um, and, uh, some angry, angry, angry messages from, um, from, from steam controller, uh, marks out there, there are steam controller marks. They've, they've sent me videos of the proper configuration that I could have if I bothered to learn it.
Starting point is 02:49:05 I could have played like this steam controller marks. It was, uh, I'm like, you know, hey, man, there's got to be one for all of them. You know, but, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got, I'm hitting some of, I'm getting, uh, DMs about, about the proper way to, to set up my steam controller. Um, but you know, that's fine. If you are an anime watcher and you've missed out on the manga, it's no problem. Enjoy it. Please, by all means, watch the animates more, it's more important that you do.
Starting point is 02:49:35 But, um, I, I was done with that session. I played for about like maybe half an hour with it. And you know what? It worked better than a deep than a, than a, uh, a twin stick, right? It works better than a twin stick, but nah, nah, not gonna, it's not going to replace a mouse, you know, of course. So I then switched back to my hybrid and, um, loving it, been doing great with the hybrid, been able to, uh, you know, properly use the, the, uh, machine gun,
Starting point is 02:50:05 you know, the MP five was kind of just like a rough go with the twin stick beforehand and now I'm, and I'm running it. So I got, I got a stick in one hand with a controller. I got a mouse in the other hand and it's best to both worlds. So I'm, I'm, I'm back to the hybrid. I have no idea how to adequately describe why the hybrid is so upsetting. Um, but it is, it is upsetting. I don't know what to tell you, um, if it's upsetting, I, I, I sure, but, uh, it
Starting point is 02:50:42 is, it is to me, it's the optimal solution on both hands. You know, I, uh, a mouse is better than a thumb stick for sure, for accuracy, um, but then to me, a thumb stick is better than a WASDA. So that's where I'm at. That's near, I will do the, get tired from holding up a whole controller with just one hand opposite my wrists, get tired from keyboarding. What the, um, because the, it's, it's, it's, it's basically like, depends on where the surface level is, I suppose, right?
Starting point is 02:51:23 Like, uh, I feel as if there, if, if you have kind of like a table full support and whatnot, you'd probably be more fine. But like, uh, the angles I was at, it wasn't, it wasn't as comfortable. I don't, I don't feel like the thumbs was a problem because I would just basically hold the thumbs to the controller on my lap. My hand was fully rested. There was, there was no lifting of the wrist type of thing. You know, the, uh, someone, someone had a, had a theory and that was that, uh, the,
Starting point is 02:51:56 uh, the fact that I play arcade sticks so much means that like, like, what my hat, my button tapping hand is, is, is favoring the right instead of the keyboard hand, which is the left. And I was like, maybe, maybe that could be it. Who knows. But one thing's for sure. Um, I super like, I super like having a stick in my hand and a gripped triggers and hands and I like it, you know?
Starting point is 02:52:29 So what I did was actually, and I, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm the, I feel the same way that I did when I first talked about this on, on, uh, with overwatch and with apex in the sense that like, um, there was, there wall continuously and always be, uh, uh, a desire to fix what I'm discussing here. It's like no, you're not doing it. You need to fix this and change it and do a different one. And I'm like, I'm pretty comfy with this, but I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, you know, for the sake of fun and just seeing how it goes.
Starting point is 02:52:59 I got that steam controller. So I also, um, I'm getting one of those, the thing that everyone links me to all the time where I'm like, where I've retweeted it and let people know that I've seen it. It's the one handed Hori, like, um, yeah, it's kind of like nunchuck PS four pad, PC pad, whatever it's kind of a weird hybrid built in. Yeah. So I'm, I'm going to grab one of those and see how that feels just out of
Starting point is 02:53:20 curiosity, but like the controller being held, even though it's like, even if it was cut in half, it'd be fine. But even though it's not, it's like, yeah, it still just sits in my lap. It's, it's, you know, like a nunchuck almost, um, and you know, I, I, I, uh, I feel like those who have heard me talk about it are kind of get tired of hearing me talk about it. Those who haven't heard me talk about it are going to be hearing it for the first time, but it, it just, you know, the, the, the, I feel much more, uh,
Starting point is 02:53:52 accurate with the thumbstick and I, and I feel like I'm never going to have an issue tapping the wrong key on a, when I'm holding my controller. Or as when I have to use my pinky to do control and shift and I want to have to go over nobody uses control anymore. Everybody just uses their pinky for shift and then the, their mouse buttons. It's, it's still a pinky button. I don't want to press. I don't want to press buttons with my pinky.
Starting point is 02:54:24 I don't, it's not, I don't enjoy that. It's not a thing that I like doing. And, uh, moving over to the surrounding keys and then possibly like, I feel like this controller hybrid thing is the, the fucking perfect microcosm of everything infuriating about the way that you play any game. You are, you are jumping through every conceivable hoop possible to the point of even setting up a cube specifically made to give you the ability to use mouse and keyboard without the problems that you have so that you can do it your way.
Starting point is 02:55:10 This fucked up weird hybrid that no one has intended ever. And you, you, man, you try to steam controller before you tried the keyboard. You're insane. But everyone says I'm crazy, but you're crazy. I'm not trying to convince anybody to, to play my style. I don't want anybody to copy me necessarily. I'm not out here telling anyone that this is superior. I'm not preaching this as something that people should do as opposed to using the
Starting point is 02:55:42 keyboard. I'm just saying that personally, I absolutely loathe the keyboard for directional movement. It's unfun to me. It bothers me. So even putting in the time to getting comfortable with it, like I would with a hitbox like I did and like I was able to do, it would still be like, I can play like this.
Starting point is 02:56:05 I still don't enjoy it. You're talking about learning a hitbox. A hitbox is like a fucking weirdo fucked up thing for crazy people. But do you know what you understand why I'm using, but do you know why I'm using the analogy? Yeah. It's because it's replacing a directional stick with buttons in the exact same way that a WASDA replaces a stick with buttons.
Starting point is 02:56:29 And I can learn to move properly with the hitbox, but I didn't prefer it. And then besides the hitbox, I showed you the memory. I showed you the, um, the mix box. That one was weird. That one was actually just a keyboard. It was actually just WASDA, right? Do you recall it? Yeah, vaguely.
Starting point is 02:56:53 Okay. So I used that and, uh, I, I, I used the keyboard and I got, I got used to it and I was able to play and do shit in like, I was playing like Dragon Ball and I was messing around with some other stuff at the time. And I was like, yeah, I, I can play with this. And in fact, it would make certain inputs. Like it makes an instant air dash go a lot easier, for example. Um, but at the end, it was not preferred.
Starting point is 02:57:19 It's, it works. I can do it. It's not as comfortable to me. And in that instance, there's no extra keys to worry about. That was even optimal because that was just the four keys of the direction without any surrounding keys to accidentally hit, for example. So I'm not going to try to tell anybody. You're insane.
Starting point is 02:57:46 That's fine. This is like the hybrid is pretty crazy in and of itself, but you cycling through every single possible permutation of controllers in order to avoid the one that the game was built for is like, so I just described something and you processed it and then went back to step one. Yeah. Cause nothing you said actually dealt with step one. Which is, I'm, I'm insane.
Starting point is 02:58:21 It's just that simple. Okay. I'm not, I'm not again, you know what this, you know what this is? Willie, this is, I refuse to learn how armor skills and monster hunter work. Cause I just want to play it my way and be bad. It's not refusing. Yes, you did. You totally refused to learn.
Starting point is 02:58:41 It is, it is, it is literally, it is a controller preference. It's an extremely, extremely unpopular controller preference, but I am choosing config that I like over config. I don't like. And you're basically forcing, you're kind of saying like, uh, and anyone, I, and you know, if you're like, no, fuck you, learn bumper jumper. And I'm like, I, it's a much bigger change than that. It's a much bigger change than that.
Starting point is 02:59:15 But at the end of the day, like it feels more comfortable and I don't know how else you want me to quantify that. I mean, shit, well, I don't know, I, I, I, I play a bunch of games on controller that I would otherwise, I played Doom Eternal on controller, it's still a massive keyboard, right? Yeah. But like the cube is specifically built for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, specifically built for the, to remedy all of your mouse and keyboard comfort
Starting point is 02:59:48 problems. It is. That's true. You know, and it's, it's just, it's just, it's just so frustrating of game after game after game after game. And now controller preference of like, oh, this is the way, you know, that would be effective and it, what comes back is woolly going, no, I'm going to do it the woolly way.
Starting point is 03:00:16 And everyone goes, why that way sucks? And then you go, because it's the woolly way for woolly. And it's like, but why does it suck? Can you, why does, why does the hybrid suck? The very first thing that pops into mind is the dozens of games in which every time I accidentally bump my mouse with my elbow, the UI starts to go crazy. So, and the last time you brought that up, we talked about how that was fixed, totally turned off and patched out.
Starting point is 03:00:47 So when that doesn't happen. Oh, what, that's been fixed in every game now. No, that was happening in Resident Evil, like just the other day in, when we talked about it, it was an overwatch and then that got changed, right? Okay. But right now, so for, for, for Black Mesa, for example, doesn't exist. Doesn't have that, that doesn't happen. So continue.
Starting point is 03:01:08 Also, for the vast majority of the cases, just the left side of the controller doesn't give you access to enough buttons. In Black Mesa's case, it does. Well, I suppose for Black Mesa, then it works out fine. But for most games, it does not. Keep in mind that I got a mouse that has the, the seven thumb buttons on it. Oh, as well as two beneath the middle. So I have a mouse with a lot of functions that help me.
Starting point is 03:01:43 For example, the, my weapon wheel is just the wheel on the, on the thumb of my mouse. Oh, okay. So I can scroll the wheel do. So the regular scroll wheel is also the weapon is also a weapon wheel, right? But if I want to go specifically to a class of weapon, it's got crowbar on one. It's got pistols on two. It's got, you know, machine guns on three and so on and so forth. So you would rather learn to use a mouse with 10 buttons and you have your thumb
Starting point is 03:02:17 and every finger on your right hand be doing everything except for your pinky. Then have your left hand comfortably sit on many of those keys with only slight alterations, you would rather learn an MMO mouse than play with a keyboard. That's even crazier than the hybrid. Can I interject and say that, uh, one, it's my three fingers. It's not my every finger to it's not the MMO mouse with the 15 buttons because that's a different add on piece. It's a seven button.
Starting point is 03:02:47 It's, it's much less than the 15. The 15 was was way too much. I took a look at that and I'm like, that's crazy. That's way too many and like that's way, it's way too easy to get lost in that grid of buttons on the MMO mouse. The circle was much less of an issue of seven buttons or so. And, uh, it's otherwise it's left click, right click, scroll wheel button beneath it. Thumb, it did it.
Starting point is 03:03:15 So again, it's not that I wanted to go into this in such vigor and I definitely did not want to go into this in a, in a, in a combative fashion, but when you're like, it's so crazy, it's so stupid. And I'm asking you why the first reason you gave was the first reason you gave was because it makes the UI change. And then I'm like, well, no, it doesn't. And then the second reason you gave was because, uh, it doesn't have enough buttons on it.
Starting point is 03:03:42 And I'm like, yes, it did. And then the third reason you gave was because of the mouse functions that are like all crazy in an MMO function. And I just said, no, you don't use all your fingers and it's just the seven. So all three of those reasons have been clearly answered. Do you have another one? I do not. All right.
Starting point is 03:04:04 I don't push anybody towards using this controller. I don't anyone, I don't want anyone to do that this way, but this is absolutely much more comfortable. I would like you to try and remember this conversation in the future for when you make fun of my goblins and the way that I do things as being silly and just don't do that. Because you are just as insane with this shit. You are a total refusal to adapt to any situation ever is fucking so crazy.
Starting point is 03:04:39 I will keep it in mind, providing that you can do what I just did and not list me a number of false reasons. Then absolutely, I'm totally for you. With that being said, in Black Mesa, I got to the part I'm sorry, hold on. None of those were false reasons. I did not invent them as if they were not true, Willie. They may not have applied to you directly, but false is disingenuous as fuck. OK, well, if they're if they're not applying to me, then they're not
Starting point is 03:05:19 creating the scenario where I would have the issue that you're supposing I would have. So not applicable, maybe, but false is bullshit. But then why would you use them as a way of saying you you're circumventing these landmines, you're jumping over these landmines to get somewhere when I'm like, these landmines don't exist here. There's no landmines here. The ones you're describing aren't here.
Starting point is 03:05:43 They're not applicable. Therefore, there were no landmines. So to make it look like I'm jumping over them is also disingenuous. They're these things called examples, Willie. And if they don't apply to you, that doesn't make them false. That makes them not applicable. I thought they applied to you. You've showed that they didn't.
Starting point is 03:06:03 Right. OK. That's fair. False is implying a manufacturer or a lie. No, it is disparaging. OK, I did not mean to disparage. I apologize for that. That's not what my intention was.
Starting point is 03:06:22 My intention was certainly to look at it and ask you if you had reasons for your feelings, because you had a feeling of this is the reason is like I am I am having PTSD over a million years of LP videos where you just desperately only want to do it your way. And you won't listen to anything anyone is telling you. I mean, for what it's worth, I am, you know, I'm trying to be as contrite about this as possible and say that, like, you know, the way that I'm comfortable doing this is very much
Starting point is 03:07:02 against the grain of what the entire world I would say that is accurate. Yes. So I am not I am as you like how outside I am having like a mental breakdown over the idea of you work shopping this fucking abomination of controllers and you're the same person that I had to tell to drop your shield like 400 times. Oh, yeah. No, my learn that one thing. Right. Because no, garbage habits in video games where I'm just like I'm panicking and thus not thinking properly about the situation are going to show
Starting point is 03:07:43 themselves every time I play something. Right. The the that happens to me in other genres as well, where it's like, woolly, the answer is to just do this thing in the game. But you're you're panicking and you're doing the wrong thing. Right. And it's like, yeah, that's coming with the challenge of the video game. And me personally, not having the skill required to adapt to that thing. Right. But but in this particular context, I'm describing something where I understand just how niche and fucking outside it is.
Starting point is 03:08:15 For me, as long as I can walk you through the the steps to see where how we got here, I don't mind if that's how you feel about it. Right. But that's why I'm I always take it from the top and I go, well, here are the list of reasons that I have for why I'm over on this side of the fence. And it's a very weird place to be. But as long as you understand those reasons and they make sense to you, then sure, if you might disagree with them because you don't share them, they're not the same hurdles for you.
Starting point is 03:08:45 But if I can describe them to someone and they can follow the the path, then I'm like, OK, so that's fine. There's something that you just said that actually like locked it in like as to like, why is this? Why is this such a sticking point? And it's because there are many times where I have explained like weird OCD, mind, govel and shit the way that I do things a certain way. And my answer will nearly always be
Starting point is 03:09:12 I do it this way because it makes me feel comfortable or because this makes me feel uncomfortable and the answer that comes back is usually, well, just don't do that from you in particular. Just don't be crazy. Just don't do that. And it's like, but if it's about comfort, then those things aren't crazy. Right. Like I want my volume at five and 10 or whatever.
Starting point is 03:09:38 Yes, I do, too. I do, too. Am I holding the toilet paper in my hand and stripping naked in the toilet? No, but that's very comfortable. But it's very. Yes. Now, here's also about 30 percent of people do that. I did a poll and I was shocked how many people also get completely naked to take a shit. Now, do make fucking fun of me for my controller set up.
Starting point is 03:10:04 By all means, it's weird. It's totally out there. Throw me under the bus, you know, let's have fun with it. But, but like in the same sense, I'm like, bro, you're stripping naked and you're holding a thing in your hand. That shit's fucking wild. Well, you know, I. Will tell you this right now.
Starting point is 03:10:25 And I think this is why we can't meet in the middle on this. This is why we can't literally agree to disagree. I think your fucking. Mouse controller hybrid shit is markedly more insane. Then taking off all of your clothes to take a shit. That is my line in the sand. Of course you would. You're the guy.
Starting point is 03:10:54 You're there. You're described. You're saying this to me while you're naked, holding the T. P. Roll. That's right. What do you want me to fucking tell you? I desperately need to turn this into a poll because I want to see if it's anything other than 90 10 in your favor. Can you do me a favor?
Starting point is 03:11:12 Can you do me a favor? Yeah. Can you phrase it? Oh, yeah. No, it'll be neutral. I'm in it. I'm not a pat. What is more insane taking all of your clothes off every time you take a shit or using a mouse and controller combination for PC games. Does he want to put in a third option? Do you want to put in a third option that's just like I want to vote the funny answer?
Starting point is 03:11:44 Oh, I hate that. Instead of being accurate that, you know, so just give them a give them a place to click that go I want to vote the funny answer instead of what I hate doing that because that's that's always that's always the thing that it ruins every poll ever. So take your clothes off and using in controller mouse. You mass and controller hybrid. Can I just say for the record that like I'm willing I'm I don't even fully disagree with the assertion.
Starting point is 03:12:18 If you're it's I'm going to I'm going to say you're like to me. No. All right. To me, that's on my Twitter at Pat stairs. That to me, to me, any discussing video game habits is always going to be less of a of a major thing than clothing and whether you should wear them or not. Well, see, on a on a on a global level, but I can probably be convinced. So here's the thing, because it's so much more important that you're not wearing your clothes in the in the bathroom than video game stuff.
Starting point is 03:12:53 Video game stuff is not that big of a deal, but it's like unconscionable that you would wear clothes on the toilet. But but because it's not that big of a deal, that's why it couldn't possibly be crazier, right? Because everything matters less. It's like if the option could be at the end of the day, OK, just don't play the fucking video game like then it's like, well, then life goes on, I suppose.
Starting point is 03:13:14 I feel like taking your clothes off in any given scenario has much more on the line. There are higher stakes. You know, there are higher stakes, which is why they're higher. Yeah, yeah. But but but to get back to what I was saying, though, is just like. You know, with each of those moments of crazy, by all means, by all means, I will fucking rip you a new one. And I encourage you to rip me a new one as I do what is completely
Starting point is 03:13:48 outside the realm of norm. Hey, listen, we're playing my video games. I have a secret for y'all. You know, how will these all like normal and kind of cool sometimes? He's actually just as insane as I am. He's just better at hiding it. Hmm. A lot of people have been saying that about me just as crazy. A lot of people have been saying that about me recently.
Starting point is 03:14:08 They say that I am I'm just as nuts in very specific ways. Yeah. Where I don't. You have a wide spread. Yeah, I'm a shotgun. And I have I have a sniper rifle. Yeah, of like, you're only going to hit this one shot, but it's a far sight. Yeah. All right. I'll yeah, I'll sign up for that. That universal truth shit was out there.
Starting point is 03:14:37 Can't believe you tried to start a cult on this very podcast. I can't believe you framed it that way. And so everybody into into into, you know, hey. I established this already. And it is you can do amazing things if you just reframe the question. If you are funny, you win. If you it's not if you make sense and it's not if you're right and it's not if you're on point.
Starting point is 03:15:06 If you are funny, you win and funny becomes the truth. And well, you could also have math that also helps. Yes, yes, math to math to. I am I am going to, in most cases, not have the punch line you have and thus not win the war battle in most cases. And I think you know this. And I think you're aware of this power. And I think it's why in most case situations, you're willing to engage
Starting point is 03:15:45 to the end. Oh, I just love to do it. I just think it is. It is the Patrice O'Neill defense. Funny equals victory. Dude, this cat smells. Yeah, yeah, I just picked him up and I'm looking at him and he fucking reeks. He's like there have been so many times where the room is fucking hostile
Starting point is 03:16:10 and comedians are at the table as a comedy seller and they're firing bullets left and right and the wrong person walks up and like Patrice has like literally he was in the middle of being thrown under the bus or squished under it for that matter. Yeah. And literally like the next comic that walked up had to become the dowsy they and you just walked up and he took all the heat he was taking and shot it at whoever it was and who and they fucking their shoes got it.
Starting point is 03:16:46 The stupid shirt they were wearing got it. Their garbage act got it. Their fucking haircut got it. It's the whole cross side. That shitty ass phone that they're using got it, right? Your ugly ass teeth, you know, like teeth. Oh, that's personal. They got wrecked and the fucking room lost it.
Starting point is 03:17:08 And then that target took the heat off. All right. Patrice was no longer under the bus. So funny equals victory. Wolves, we have an update. So we've got about 1700 votes in. You are totally winning. However, much like I thought you're winning by way less of a margin than you
Starting point is 03:17:28 would expect, you're winning by about 15 percent. That's now that's a lot closer than you would think, right? That's not enough. Come on, people. Come on. You don't understand what's going on out here, man. Out here being your toilet. Yeah, the toilet.
Starting point is 03:17:57 All right. A lot of people do things that OK, here's this is going to ruin your life. Willie, you can a lot of people do a lot of the crazy things that I do more than you think. Many, many more than you think. OK, so here's what I here's I know I have had that exact thought. But here's what my version is, right? Yee, who is not guilty, cast the first stone, right? Whoever comes at us for anything, it'd be like, OK, cool.
Starting point is 03:18:34 Let's find that about your life and let's find the thing that you do. You know, I wish I knew your sounds vindictive. This I wish to I wish I knew you're so lucky. I don't know your thing, says Louis CK. Everyone knows my thing. If I knew your thing, oh, oh, yeah, it looks like we're going to be fifty eight to forty two in your favor. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
Starting point is 03:19:08 Forty six. Yep. You know, you know, you know, how fucking how fucking cool would it be if everyone who wrote a comment on YouTube, Reddit or even on Twitch or anywhere on Twitter would be like, you're super wrong about this. You didn't bother doing that. I don't know. This shit's getting really annoying. And then underneath it, just a little thing that just says my thing is.
Starting point is 03:19:36 And then it just inserts thing. My thing is I kind of really like it, watching animals. Fuck. My thing is I don't like I like the stinkier the sock, the better. Yeah, I don't know. Like, what is what is it? You know, you just put a little underneath almost like a like flair in Reddit. So it's like everybody can just be like, Hey, by the way,
Starting point is 03:20:04 I'm criticizing you. I'm throwing you under the bus. And by the way, this is the word that I mispronounce all the time. I've never said this word correctly in my life and everyone in my friendships and my family knows that I mispronounce this word. But no one on the internet does. So here it is. That's terrible. Level the field.
Starting point is 03:20:30 Even footing. Oh, squash the girl. We got a flat curve out. Yeah, that's what it's about. Totally. Right now, it's imbalanced. Y'all know too much about us. We don't know nothing about you. So when the criticisms come in, I'm like, cool, I'll take that.
Starting point is 03:20:51 What's going on? Sure, share, open up. You know, you know, I said fucking turquoise instead of turquoise up until like a month ago, like my whole life. Sure, my mother drives me so fucking crazy. You know, like the, you know, the gallery on a porch, like, depending on the kind of house you have. Yeah, she is in her 60s and calls that a gallery to this day.
Starting point is 03:21:20 Right. And I've never been able to get her to explain why. The recent one I've been enjoying with Punch Bomb has been her inability. So she always says finally when she wants to say ultimately. Because of Finale, Ma. Well, yes, English is her second language. So that's like that's fine.
Starting point is 03:21:42 Right. Everybody who's speaking their second language gets a pass. But sort of, but not really. Because she's like actually bilingual. Like she actually has both. Yeah, I know. But my sister's got like a degree in English and she still says all sorts of weird stupid French shit. I think she got, I think she got English first.
Starting point is 03:22:00 My sister still says cache instead of hidden. That one word never, never jumped over. Yeah. So they'll be like things are just like, yeah. So finally I decided I'm not going to do the thing, you know. And I'm like, ah, you know, but yeah, man, you know, that's that's that's what it is. That's what it is.
Starting point is 03:22:25 And and there are a whole lot of that French related shit comes up with me all the time, obviously, since, you know, I'm Reggie and men super have the French thing going on. So sorry. And then there's and then there's and then there's my. And then there's my like, like I sound like I know what I'm talking about in English most of the time, but I'm still raised in very sweet, Willie. I don't have an accent right now.
Starting point is 03:22:55 I'm speaking what is masked English because I'm saying you just said that you sound like you know what you're talking about most of the time in English. OK. And I said, that's really sweet, buddy. OK, well, in any case, what I'm trying to say is that every once in a while, despite the fact, like if I if I talked like this the whole time, then every one would think that, you know, he doesn't speak the English English. And you got to get more ages in there. You got to get the exact expectations.
Starting point is 03:23:26 There it is. Horror a little bit. Come on. Oh, your JP is pretty good. Right. If I spoke a little if I spoke a little like if I spoke like that, expectations get lowered, it is what it is. But I'm speaking in a much clearer camouflaged English to everyone. So you're hearing a very clear English accent.
Starting point is 03:23:53 And then when it scrapes against something that is hard, Quebecois, then it's like, oh, ripped out of reality. Turns out it's not the it's not the world we had. Right. It's not the same flavor. Every once in a while, folks get reminded that I am not from the same fucking place and I have a different, you know, I'm coming from a different flavor.
Starting point is 03:24:23 I'm Anglophone and you don't speak English. Your Anglophone is it's a very different thing. So, you know, we French Canadians, right? As it were, I always get the fun one because I got the French last name. So I call up the government and they're like, Oh, bonjour, Mr. Bourvin. Come on, I go, hello.
Starting point is 03:24:43 And I go, but you see the your your French. No. OK, give me a second. And then they transfer me. Yeah, no, Gasquang was super wrong, but it'll follow me to the ends of the earth. You know, yeah, it'll follow me. It'll follow me to the ends of the earth. You know, I'll follow you because of avalanche.
Starting point is 03:25:09 Avalanche, yeah, because of avalanche. Yeah, you know, it was it was one hundred percent gas coin. But like my like me thinking that there was going to be a French pronunciation just didn't know how to do. I got to be real. I don't remember that that whole sequence, like all that clearly, like exactly how long it went on for. But like, I do remember having a vivid feeling of like you going for that. And you're like, yeah, Gasquang.
Starting point is 03:25:37 And like knowing already that it was gas coin. Yes, I remember that you'd be like, let's see how long. We can just until he says it in the game. Yeah, or until someone else says it. And just like, oh, yeah, oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you saw ahead. You knew you knew you saw it ahead. You knew, you know, I was like, that's that's a that's a that's a crazy name.
Starting point is 03:25:59 That guy has just like knowing in an hour or two, someone would say it out loud and be like, oh, yeah. But it's even it's worse because you knew what I was going for. And oh, absolutely. I know exactly what your thought process was. I may have, in fact, made the same mistake myself. Had I not already seen it in a preview thing. But it's tattooed on my back. Yeah, well.
Starting point is 03:26:27 That's that's the way it crumbles. I handle I handed you the shovel, but you still had to dig. I did. I did. And it's pronounced gaslighting. All right, that's pretty funny. That's pretty fucking funny. Every now and then, these guys are actually funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 03:26:47 No, the only thing the only thing is is like these days, the only thing that is when whenever people think that I still think I was right about it, that's the part where I'm like, no, you're not following the truth here because it's like the code didn't like the compile fucking failed. But my attempt at following the the the the C plus plus, the logic in the code was going through a French thing and it just fucking failed now on completion. To be fair, I can understand why people would think that it's happened.
Starting point is 03:27:19 As similar things have happened to me where I'm wrong and then I correct myself and then I'll catch it because if they don't catch the actual like, oh, yeah, no, it's totally wrong. We are both notoriously stubborn. And it is not out of the realm of the ordinary to assume that you or I would hold on to a factually incorrect statement in our mind until we die. This is true.
Starting point is 03:27:49 It's especially less effective when the meme has grown powerful. Yes, memes, memes don't help. When when it grows powerful, you're now fighting against a life bar. At first, it was just a word, but now that word has a life bar. And, you know, what are you going to do at the end of the day? You got it. You got to just just accept it. You know, just take it for what it is. You know what, Willie?
Starting point is 03:28:17 I don't think I'll ever understand your controller hybrid nonsense. And I don't think you're ever going to understand that you should try it, taking off all your clothes before you take a shit. But I guess we're all just going to have to agree to disagree. When was the last time I said that? I feel like I used it one time in a way that made you super mad. And it was that one was like two years ago. I want to say it was more than two more.
Starting point is 03:28:47 But I do remember I don't remember what it was about. Because whatever that was, because whatever that moment was from from whatever the years ago it was, was consciously the last time I ever said it. OK, because like I remember what it was. The moment that happened, I completely removed that from my vernacular. Because it wasn't I I I I I didn't I didn't read. I didn't like a reaction to it was so surprising to me because growing up, it had always been used as
Starting point is 03:29:22 like a way of kind of like acknowledging a meeting in the middle. I didn't at all expect the read the extreme rage reaction that it got where everyone was like, it's so infuriating when you won't admit that you're wrong. And I'm like, but I I feel like I admit that I'm wrong so often. It's it's I don't know. But so I just I did like, you know what, that phrase elicited a completely wrong response. That everyone had to it. I'm never going to use this again because I clearly have no idea what it actually means.
Starting point is 03:29:56 It causes I mean, you're you're you're outside the realm of like why this is infuriating. But like it causes, for me, anyway, the same type of like internal combustion as like when somebody goes, hey, hey, Willie, you got a second and you get back to me, you turn around, you finish doing what you're doing and 10 seconds later, you get back to me, you go, oh, yeah, hey, cool. What's up, man? Never mind. And then you turn around, right? Like that is that that I would describe the emotion that that causes as internal combustion.
Starting point is 03:30:30 That is like just just like what but what no. But what was it, though? As I don't worry about it's not important. It's like every time somebody like politely explains how not important it was and doesn't say what it is, the temperature rises a little bit, right? Yeah, the temperature, that's that's a good metric for it. Like even right now, it's kind of fascinating. Like I like this is the kind of thing that I find interesting because
Starting point is 03:31:00 it definitely helps me learn a bit about like perception and perspective, right? Because like I know that like I've been especially as of late, like super kind of like almost like self-chastising in a lot of cases, apologetic in many ways and been like, yeah, I I don't know what I'm doing here. Like I'm freely quickly going to admit that I don't have the skill to do the thing or I didn't understand the situation or, you know, like I feel like I freely put that out there. And I feel like also years ago, even there was that that quote where it's just like, hey, if you could tell the whole world one thing, what would it be?
Starting point is 03:31:38 And like I remember like the thing that like stands out to me and it still does to this day is don't be afraid to admit you're wrong because like you want to try to improve and be the best person you can be, best version of yourself you can be before you die. And like I still believe those words. But even in these moments, right? And even in, I guess, in the heat of debates, like right now, for example, a ton of people are you know, like in the chat, for example, are like, Willie, you never admit you're wrong.
Starting point is 03:32:03 You never I would I would absolutely actually agree with that. Wow. Wow. Okay. I it's so it's really interesting because I feel like I self-flagelly. So that's the thing. So that's a that's the trap, right? Because you totally do. But self-flagellation doesn't actually have anything to do with your opinion. Right.
Starting point is 03:32:35 But when I do, you're going like, Oh my God, I'm so stupid. I can't believe I did this. But to be fair, right? It's it's the any any attempt at explanation, which would otherwise necessarily be like part of a process is taken as excuse. And then people go, Oh, well, he doesn't really believe it because he just said that. Want to make an excuse and especially in circumstances where I will. I'm still here.
Starting point is 03:33:05 I'm just getting up to get more. Yeah, there are circumstances where I feel like I will literally say the words like, Yeah, that was my mistake. Yeah, that was my bad. Yes, I was. That was the wrong thing. I mistook that. I didn't understand that.
Starting point is 03:33:17 I said I did the wrong thing. I made the wrong choice. Like I feel like that freely comes out in many circumstances. And like if it doesn't, I have to fucking like literally. It does. It totally does. Right. It totally totally always does.
Starting point is 03:33:34 I'm very serious. So what it makes me wonder. So what it makes me and so like at first you kind of go like, okay, is it possible that even though I say it a lot that there are times when I stand my ground and I don't say it. And those are the ones that are forming the most memorable moments. For example. So as Chad is currently pointing out, this is this is right now. Right now is that what you are doing right now is exactly what I'm talking about it.
Starting point is 03:34:04 Right. It's because let me let me let me let me. So like right now, let me talk about what woolly is. Right. Right now. I'm literally trying to understand something that everyone thinks differently about. That's right. All I can do is ask questions and I'm fully I'm open to the because like you tell it because
Starting point is 03:34:24 right now, for example, I'm saying that I feel like this is something that I say, but I'm I'm all I'm walking you through where I'm at. Right. And if I were to simply say, you know what? You're right. I never admit when I'm wrong. That wouldn't be genuine to what's going through my head. Right.
Starting point is 03:34:46 So that's why I want to try and explain it. And then if you can go like, well, here's these things where you, you know, it clearly didn't go that way. And then I'd have to be like, well, shit, you're right. There it is. So I just looked it up. There is a word for this. Okay. There is a legitimate new shit term for this.
Starting point is 03:35:08 Okay. So you're familiar with concern trolling. Right. No. Okay. Concern trolling is it's it's typical like a like a kind of a like a gossipy lady way of trolling. It's where it's like, Oh, do you look okay? You look like you're not getting enough to eat.
Starting point is 03:35:26 Do you, does your job pay you enough? Like just it's, it's being a bitch under the mother-in-law shit. Pretend. Yeah. Mother-in-law shit. Perfect. What people think you are doing, but I don't think you are actually doing, but it comes off like it is, is called sea lioning.
Starting point is 03:35:46 Sea lioning is has it has a Wikipedia article. Not even a fucking like Encyclopedia of Dramatical Arca or whatever. It is a type of trolling or harassment, which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions while maintaining the pretense of civility and sincerity. So it is the, it's the, it's the, I'm just asking questions, man. Like kind of thing. Like, like, like being passive aggressive. No, you're actually being polite and courteous, but you, it appears that you are not actually
Starting point is 03:36:29 interested. So when people are like, just admit you're wrong, just admit you're wrong or whatever about like left or right or whatever the fuck, right? Right, right. People don't care why they don't. They, none, none of these people in chat give a single shit. All they want is, yeah, you're right guys. That was a, that was a, that was a big mistake.
Starting point is 03:36:55 Oopsie, right? And the instant you open up your mouth to explain how you got there, that comes off not as sincere, but as a way to escape. Because, and this is part of our society, the overall sincerity of any particular person is doubtful. And the problem with that is that you are a stubborn guy and you don't like to admit you're wrong when you are, you're like, you're very much like me actually, Willie. You don't want to, you, oh, how do I put this?
Starting point is 03:37:35 You want to admit that you're wrong, but you never believe that you are just like me, right? So you will claw through every particular piece of, no, but you see it was this though or, ah, but actually I was thinking this and that makes all of these people all crazy. So I want to even interject here, but instead I'm going to ask you, then what should I do? Because if you're describing a sea lining is ultimately an insincere way of deflecting blame, but that's not my intention, then without my words, I have no idea what to do. So I'm like, if you were to take that away from me, for example, to be like stop trying to explain yourself, and this to be fair, right?
Starting point is 03:38:38 To be fair, it's a video game podcast, everyone. It is. To be fair, to like, you know, the dad that doesn't exist, right, in most cases, right? I know it's going places, but it has to, right? He was the kind of person that would very much talk things through to get to the bottom of it, so that it was not just a, he had that kind of, he had a bit of that analytical way about him, and then my brother as well, and had a much more sort of stay, make sure that you can explain an emotion, or at the very least, like, you know, you want to follow the pathway
Starting point is 03:39:33 to where someone, like, if someone's going to explode, you don't want that explosion to come out of nowhere, right? So for all the things that I became and adapted and whatnot, when you describe something like this, where you say that, like, your attempt to describe your thought process and how you came to the wrong decision appears to be c-lining, because if it is such that it is insincere, and it is a way of putting the blame off of you, but I'm like, but really and truly deep down, that is not what I feel. I just have to use my words to try and convey what happened, because here's the thing, here's the other thing, is I want to make sure you go like, oh, you're fucking batshit crazy. I'd like to walk you through the steps, right?
Starting point is 03:40:19 You take that away from me and say, stop explaining why you got there. What am I supposed to do? So somebody in the chat actually did me a solid Zalhezia, because they were able to sum up in, like, a single sentence, exactly what the problem here is. The problem isn't even your method of speech. The problem is that this is a misconception on the listener side. So it's all of your fault, all of you listening to us right now, which includes me, I guess. It is a series of, how do I put this? It's so much easier to believe that you're stubborn and you don't want to admit that you're wrong, that even your sincere desire to actually explain how you got there can come off in the listener's brain as insincere.
Starting point is 03:41:17 That's why when the situation that you were just describing that took place between you and your brother or your dad or, you know, whoever, right? These people are all trusted and long-term members of your family, where there's obviously going to be a much, or should be anyway, a much closer rapport than, say, with Professor Luigi, who thinks this part of the conversation sucks. Well, you know, because it definitely, like, it speaks to, I can see that, like, the moments I decide to, like, step in and reply to a comment or tweet somewhere are what I see moments of what I perceive to be great misunderstanding of my intentions, right? You've always been bad with the intention thing. Well, you know, but yeah, but you also are the same way in that we both are
Starting point is 03:42:09 very much, like, you'd like not but maybe an hour ago at this point, earlier at this podcast, there was a moment where you're like, hold on a minute, that was not malicious. Right. It is very important to distinguish between what is malicious and what is not, and I'm the exact same way. I feel like we've, over the last decade, been able to both rely on that in moments of confusion. I would say so. So now then, I am looking at a scenario where I'm like, yeah, I tend to, this is where I tend to step in and say something when I feel like gross misunderstanding of intention is where I want to say something. Like now I'm like, okay, so is it even possible then to admit fault and explain the steps and not come across as insincere? Is it even,
Starting point is 03:43:13 is it at all possible? I don't know. And that's the fun thing about this line of work. Think of every, like, because we're talking about controllers and taking shit. This is deeply, this is deeply upsetting. This is deeply upsetting. Right. We're talking about like, in fact, we're talking about left from right or mind goblins or whatever. This is low to your shit. Think of every single YouTuber apology ever. Right. And how bad they all suck at it. Right, right, right, right, right, right. Because on the one hand, it's right. Here's what I did. Here's the explanation. But then you have a thing to save. Right. So you know that you have to look at it. You have to raise the eyebrow and go, uh, and does it, how does it
Starting point is 03:44:07 shake? You know, yeah, because there's the two variations, right? There's, here's what I did. I'm very sorry. Here's the explanation. Right. Yeah. Okay. So maybe I, um, I videotaped a dead guy in a sacred place and made a bunch of jokes about it in a foreign country and made myself look like an asshole. I realize now that that is very bad, blah, blah, blah, explanation, explanation, explanation. Right. And every time they try and explain, it goes, oh, you're trying to get out of it. Right. That's the natural state. Well, because, because the stakes right are what, but right. If it's, if it's like, I did the thing in that video, I am very sorry. And that's the end. Then you flip flop is like,
Starting point is 03:44:56 oh, they don't even know why they're apologizing. They just want, of course. And so why is that because of the stakes, which means that there's no winning. Now here, the stakes are, are pride. Right. But that's, that's still a stake. It is a stake. It's very minor. It's not at all anything on the level of what you're describing because those, those are the words of someone essentially fighting for their career. Right. And it's going to change depending on who's viewing it. Different cultures and different people are going to interpret either an explanation or, uh, shutting the fuck up and just apologizing as more or less honorable. And that's going to go person to person. Right. So basically what I'm saying is that you have to become comfortable
Starting point is 03:45:40 in your garbage. Right. Right. That's the only way I found, but like the, but the only reason why I would go through all these lengths to spend a fucking 45 or describing to you my controller preferences is simply because I just want to make sure that like, you can follow how I got here. I want to see the breadcrumbs I left behind me. And at any given moment, when I find out that I was doing the wrong thing, that's, that's all I want to do is go. Well, first of all, I want to know what the right thing is. Right. The right thing is to use the mass and keyboard. And then the second thing I want to do is show you the breadcrumbs. Uh huh. You know, and if that's not enough, you didn't have, you didn't have a decent PC when you were a child. So you never
Starting point is 03:46:32 learned how to use a keyboard and, um, you grew up sad and unfulfilled because you never played Counter Strike. And if that's not enough, uh, then there's not much else I can do. Right. But like to me, if I were talking to myself, I would see the breadcrumbs. Right. I would, I would see the pathway they took and go, they're comfortable sitting over here for these reasons. Right. Kind of like when the lady showed up on the Maury episode about fear and about phobias. Yeah. And they're like, this girl is afraid of olives. What a fucking weirdo. Yeah. Or balloons. Well, here comes a plate of olives in a man, in a giant olive costume. And she's like, and she runs away. And then they run around the studio for a while. And then eventually
Starting point is 03:47:32 they're like, okay, get out of here. Get out of here, Maury. Get out. Right. And then, uh, and then they sit her down and then they go, so what's the deal? And she goes, well, when I was six, my grandfather died. And in my culture, they put olives on your eyes before you, they closed the casket and they lifted me up and they put me right in his face. So I saw my dead grandfather at the same time as I saw the olives on his eyes. So when I see them, they just remind me of the worst, most horrible thing. And they're like, oh, oh, yeah. Fuck olives. Right. I love olives. They're delicious. I don't care for olives. Don't I love them. I love green. I love black. I love olives. Give me more.
Starting point is 03:48:19 Oh, this girl has a completely good pathway of breadcrumbs to why she fucking hates olives. Right. So if I'm talking to myself, if I can see that path, then I can go, you know what? I don't agree because I love olives, but here we go. Unironic use in the way that I think this term should be used, but I can't agree to disagree with you because I know why you think olives are terrible, but I love them. But your reasoning, I get it. Your pathway, I get it, right? And then I can just go like, all right, well, that's different people. That's life. And then I step off. And that to me, if I were talking to myself, would be like, you know, sufficient. And this is me using the term in the way that I think it's meant to be used.
Starting point is 03:49:15 Not the way that it was received at the time. I know exactly what the problem is here. Woolly, let's go. You're talking to me. You're talking to these people. You're talking to your brother. You're talking to whatever, as if they were like you and want a genuine answer with logic and rules and all that shit. I have experience talking to people that I know don't think like me. Because why the fuck would you think that Centipedes could get into a can? They obviously can't, but I thought they did. You can't talk to other people like they're you. No one's going to understand you. Right. That's why I just go, ha, ha, ha, they could have gotten the can with their strong mandibles. Right. And and as a result,
Starting point is 03:50:19 no, you're insincere. Woolly, you don't admit you're wrong. And we always see you not admitting you're wrong. And it's like, what led to that pathway of thought? What led to that complete divergence from my intent? And it was like, well, it looked like you were trying to explain your choices away and defend them and thus not actually understand the problem. If you want to put this in a single sentence is the way that you explain how you got there sounds a lot like it reminds people of people in their lives that are just completely full of shit all the time. Right. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. I super get it. Fuck me. That sucks. It's basically chats full. It's who I am. It's literally who I am. It's literally who I am. Straight up.
Starting point is 03:51:15 And all this because of crouched jumping, huh? All this because of crouched jumping, bro. It's a single item. You can toggle it on. It auto does it. Yeah, it auto does it. But what if it didn't, though, man? I don't even know what crouch is on the controller. I actually modded the I and I file so that when I, uh, oh my God. Now to be fair, this was I let me finish. Please. Please let me finish. Oh, my God. What you think. Let me finish. It's not what you think. Okay. You're about to think you're like, you did that instead of just submitting.
Starting point is 03:52:02 And what I'm about to say is no, this was a problem on the keyboard as well. Okay. I wanted crouch to be a toggle, but in the game it was a hold. And I like a crouch toggle instead of a hold. So I modded any file. I modded the, uh, yeah, yeah. There's a thing you could, someone had a solution for it and then you just paste it in. And then when you tap shift, the toggle stays crouched as opposed to a hold. That's it. That's all I wanted to say. Stop, stop, chill, chill. Everybody chill. Everybody fucking relax. God damn. Put your guns down. All right. Let's find out where that poll is at. We are at, yep, 58, 41 and a half. Yep. You, you have one at a smooth 60%, but 40% of those people would rather take off all their
Starting point is 03:52:58 clothes. Use a controller mouse. By the way, just before we, uh, we swerve off of this, I would just like to also give a special message from the future to anyone who did not listen to the full conversation. Oh yeah. Full conversation in its entirety, but has decided to pause things, come in and start talking about the half thoughts and give giant righteous fury about half thoughts before you got to the end of the conversation. You can go fuck yourself. I can't believe I spent this whole time bullying you. Can you believe that? At least get through the fucking conversation. And then you know what? If a callback happens in the letters, then hey, it is what it is. I still prefer you fucking listen before, but the half thoughts though, guys,
Starting point is 03:53:56 guys, stop it. Woolly, I still get people every single night in chat that are like, dude, you missed it. And then I pull up my inventory and I literally point at it and go, did I, or were you not watching for 10 seconds? Yeah, except this is the, this is the conversational version of that, you know? Oh, I love this work. Oh, it was a throw more tomatoes at me, fuckers. It was like, what the fuck is wrong with people? How could you diss sweet and salty? It's delicious. And it's like, that's why we spent like 10 minutes listing all the delicious sweet and salty things, you know, at the back half of that conversation. You know, what happened? Raisiest one of those was what? There was a guy, because every time you talk about like boiling
Starting point is 03:54:52 stuff, people get like fucking crazy. Like, because I saw the one about like the, I forgot what country he was from, but he's like, I'm from a country where boiled meat is a huge ingredient in a lot of shit we do. Right. But like the one that I saw was like, what does Willy have against cooking meat? And it was like, and it was like, and somebody went boiled and like the response was like something alongs of like, yeah, sure. Of like, but like, the word boil. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so here's what I love, right? So you see that, right? And then right underneath it is, I don't listen to the podcast. What are you talking about? Yeah. Right. Or like, Oh, I fucking missed it this week. Or I've tuned out. I've stopped listening.
Starting point is 03:55:43 What is this about? Right. It goes terrible. I don't know why. And it's like, yeah, I do fucking hate cities. His tastes are so weird. He eats raw meat. Will he eats raw meat? Done, right? Yeah, I didn't listen to that shit. But apparently what the fuck dude's eating bloody I had killing his food and biting in like an animal. I had the one I had one yesterday, which was it was a thread about Pat's hot takes and which ones you actually agree with because Pat's insane. And one of them was like, yeah, the only retail one I don't is when he when he he went to that store to get that guy fired. And I'm like, that didn't fucking happen. You weren't even there for that story. Were you? You're just going off other people's dumb ass
Starting point is 03:56:35 shit. There's a difference between I don't care if he gets fired and I actively tried to fire him. One scummy the others like straight up evil. Come on guys, get it together. There's plenty here for you to shoot. I snag salmons out of the river like a bear. I mean, that is a good fighting game training thing. I wait at the top of the river at the river mouth. Only the freshest salmon feeds the woolly. Only the freshest just crouched over them. That's it. That's what happens. I can't believe you eat raw meat. I am telling you, woolly, yeah, one year from now, one year from now, there will be someone who goes, I heard that like woolly and Pat got some guy fired by forcing him to eat raw meat. Well, now for sure. And then and then the boss came in and the guy was just
Starting point is 03:57:44 chewing on like raw ground beef in the store. And Pat was like, my work here is done and ran away. I suppose the silver lining of getting my personality cracked open earlier in this episode is that for future reference, there will be a video I can clip to just send to just go, hey, so watch this and then see if you know, woolly, it changes anything. It almost feels like you prepared this whole segment so that you would have a clip to send to people the next time you refuse to admit you're wrong. Well, it's not what I intended, but here we are. It's definitely a benefit. It's definitely a benefit. I can't believe woolly set up this whole thing just so that he, oh my God, there's no escape. There's no escape. Just start shitting all over yourself.
Starting point is 03:58:43 Just start pooping. I mean, that is like way down there on the Galaxy Brainplays, the fucking, you know, the universe men. Like it's pretty high. It's pretty low on the chart, but it is what it is. Anyway, so, you know, I feel like that about the video games. That's how I feel about video games. Hey, how is it, how you like in the fact that some douchebag moron MIT grad with some goofy looking suit and a crowbar can fucking kill like a billion marines? A tank, dude. A tank with a crowbar. Yeah. Dude, Gordon Freeman's the shit. Yeah. Like putting the game logic together with, you know, all this and the fact that Barney's are like, hey, man, I'm just security. I don't fucking know. And the nerds are all the nerds. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:59:43 You're like the chattest of the nerds. Yeah, absolutely. You know. And then there's literally a chapter at the end where it's just like, forget about Freeman, get the fuck out of here. Is there a word for that? Because you just called a game logic. But it's, because we talked a lot about when Vanquish came out that we want to see what everybody else is seeing when they look at Sam. And it's this kind of thing where like Half-Life is such a good example where you go through and you're like, wait, what actually happened in this game? Right. What did Gordon Freeman actually literally do in Canon, right? In Canon. Yeah. And I mean, you and like many people have pointed out that there's deals, there's extra campaigns that give you context because you're playing
Starting point is 04:00:28 as security guys and whatever. And, you know, someone we even went as far as to explain that, like one of those campaigns, because you're playing as a good army man, you realize there's good army and then bad army and the good guys didn't know. But by the point you make your way through the bad ones, you get up to the good ones, but you're just that guy that's been killing army. Yeah. So now they're like, oh shit, it's the Freeman. So they're just fighting you, but they're not actually the same as the ones that were malicious. It's great. It's fucking great. So hence, do you feel like a hero yet? You know, do you? I mean, you can't argue. Like Freeman's in a situation that's very different. Motherfucker, like what, like what I'm
Starting point is 04:01:16 supposed to distinguish between one son of a bitch, like in this uniform shooting at me and the other being not that because of their attitudes, you know, hostile is hostile. That guy has a gun. If it was not, if it was an easy to distinguish scenario, then it wouldn't have been a plot twist in the game. The reason why we're talking about it is because it is a, oh shit, that's a hard situation to fucking deal with. What do you do? You know, so there you go. Half life continues and I think the rocket secondary fire is probably the coolest rocket secondary fire I've ever seen. Is that the tracker? It's the laser pointer. Yeah. Yeah. So the lock on in most games is cool, right? Shoot straight or lock on,
Starting point is 04:02:14 takes longer fire. It'll do the thing. Laser is guided and it's lock on with manual skill. It's really good. Fucking awesome. That's in two as well. Okay. And it's just like, just I can't hit it from the front. No problem. Yeah. Into the distance you go. Now laser point onto that curve, come back around, hit that shit. Shoot around corners, like do all sorts of shit. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't quite understand it until, like, I had to fire quite a few to get what it was going, what it wanted me to do. Yeah, but then I've never fired anything like it. And you're like, oh, shit. It's better. It's much better. It's much better than a remote detonation,
Starting point is 04:03:06 yeah, which is the usual, you know, rocket upgrade. Like that's the one in doom. It's remote dead. You can, you can hit it from the back. That's correct. So yeah, man, Half-Life is rather black maces going and that continues. And I am, I am hybriding and having a good time with it. That's over on Woolly versus alongside Kotor 2, which as of this point in the game, I have now spoken to two members of the Jedi Council. And if those conversations are all as good as the ones I've seen so far, I can 100% why, see why this is many people's absolute favorite Star Wars game. It's incredible.
Starting point is 04:04:01 Unbelievably good. Those conversations are just exactly what you want from, like, taking a binary system and ripping it wide open. And, you know, and I realized too that for a lot of folks that are pretty deep in there with the Star Wars lore, even the premise of this conversation is an eye roll because you're like, yes, yes, we get it. We've been seeing all these shades. We've been following the decades and decades. So we know I'm, here we go. I'm, I'm, this is new to me. And like, I like this, I like this cracking open of like, you know, the council, so to speak. It's this great feeling where Star Wars is actually giving you an incredibly complex,
Starting point is 04:04:49 nuanced, not pure good and evil situation. And then it's like, now make a binary good and evil choice. And you're like, no, wait, that sucks. And the game is telling you, yeah, that sucks, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Light or dark. Light or dark, you know, or really dark, right? And that's why it also gives you so many distinguishing versions of it, right? Because there is the Jedi do what is right. There is, I am a Jedi and I will do what is right. There is, I am not a Jedi, but I think this is the right thing to do. There is no, like, fuck the Jedi, the system, the Sith must rule. And there is fuck all of you. I know me and me and they let you distinguish between those choices. And I like that because
Starting point is 04:05:46 that is an important distinction in the same way that like the same, the same sentence, but with the words lie in front of it means all the difference in the world. Yeah, that's an old RPG, those old CRPG tricks is just give you, give you five different answers and then double the answers by adding lie in front of every single one. Yeah. Yeah. Like tons of different contexts. Evil because you pray to your dark lord versus evil because fuck everything is very or fuck everything that's not me, I should say. Listen, I'm just praying with the dark lord so I can kill the dark lord and then fuck you. It's like, oh, I don't even know where that falls on the. That was basically me in Doom 2016. FYI. Yeah, a little bit. So, you know, that continues.
Starting point is 04:06:32 And I really, really like, yeah, those conversations are fantastic. I'm also hitting some points. There's some moments in the game where I'm like, that's stupid. That's old. Right. Well, the games are like 2004 or some shit. We went to the poison bar on Nar Shadda, the Juck Juck Tar. Yeah. And you're like, there's a bad guy in there. And he had no plan whatsoever. And the only thing dumber is or rather the only maybe not, I have to wait and see where it goes. But at that point, the only thing dumber than this complete lack of a plan is the dumb party member that shows up and decides to run in there ahead of you and have no plan. And you're like, Mira, what the fuck are you doing? A lot of people don't have many plans.
Starting point is 04:07:21 Yeah. A lot of people pair like her. And I hope I hope to see her improve. But I wanted Hanhar. Yeah, well. Anyway, so Kotor 2 continues on Woolly versus and yeah, you know, we're also going to of course continue with the Dokapon salt party and lots of other fun stuff. In fact, going to get let me ask you a question about Dokapon. I saw an incredibly bizarre tweet yesterday or maybe the day before. Yeah, that was men was like, my voice is doing fine. Don't worry. Woolly even bought me a pizza. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on over there at Dokapon? That's not that's not that's not what it said. But like when we played a salt party game in which Min raised his voice louder than anyone ever has, including you, including including Matt yelling
Starting point is 04:08:26 for breakfast, including all of them. Yeah. And he literally broke his voice on a video. Nice. So there's that. Then second, Dokapon Kingdom got so toxic and salty. Like I thought it was a joke. I thought everyone was kind of like, haha, the friendship ruin or haha, the divorce maker. No, this game will make you fucking hate like am level. Like no other game. Mario Mario Party is a joke. It's a it's a it's a fucking joke compared to this game. I really, really just like it's starting to sink in as as we go forward. How absolutely dedicated it is towards fucking making everyone that's playing with you mad, like unfair to get whatever, you know, you're gonna you're gonna see it. You're gonna have to see it. Let me ask you a question because there's there's one distinction
Starting point is 04:09:41 I'd like you to make for me. Does it feel like the game wants to make everyone mad or everyone and then everyone mad but except for the winner who is happy? No, because the game wants to make everyone mad, but in addition, right? But but like the game wants to make everyone mad in the ways that like, you know, random shit happens in Mario Party. Yeah. But you you don't get as mad at that because you go, ah, fucking game, right? Yeah. But at any time it wants to get sinister, it doesn't randomly select somebody to punish. It puts the tools in another player's hands and forces them to do it. And then those players are the ones that you fucking, you know, okay, so it incentivizes
Starting point is 04:10:31 like bottle throwing and stabbings. Why take away your shit and punish you for stepping on a tile when I can buff up the person sitting next to you and send them to go kill you and take your shit? Yeah, it's not the game that did it. It's you or or Steph or who? Yeah. Oh my goodness. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not just gonna like go, ah, you lost your shit. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. That landmine was actually putting a target on you and giving someone else shit to come for you. You know, highs are high, lows are low, and it is so fucking salty. Now, in addition to the fact that stakes are raised just because the game gets like, like this in story mode, um, some son of a bitch in the fucking on the stream came in and went, all right, boys, here's what we're gonna do.
Starting point is 04:11:30 What would you say towards creating a blood pool? And I'm like, a blood pool? What the actual fuck is a blood pool? A blood pool is a pool of donations put together for the winner so that the journey through this game will be so fucking painful. And in the end, not only will your pride be shattered and your friendships be broken, but there will literally be a pool waiting for the winner at the end. It was the worst, most brutal shit to throw on top of a game that was already toxic. And by putting it out there in the ether, the moment you read it, the moment you read that message out loud, it has to exist. Oh yeah, it's become existed. You can't put it back in the bottle. And I'm like, do you really not think this game
Starting point is 04:12:34 is extracting enough hatred from us? And they're like, nah, we want more. More. More hatred, please. So the blood pool has started and people have contributed to the blood pool. And by the end, it will be doled out with blood on it to whoever makes it and survives. That's fucked, man. Dokopon blood pool has begun. I believe we all vowed on salt, blood, and honor is how we're moving forward. I mean, it's about as public as the setting gets. So like, you'll never be, if you renege on the bet, you'll never be able to live it down. So it might as well be signed in actual blood. And you know, Min was being such a cunt for such an extended
Starting point is 04:13:34 period of time that he was legitimately worried afterwards about like everything about me and about safety personally. And like, that's what he's like to the point where he's like, can we just say that everything that happens in Dokopon stays in Dokopon? And you go, no. And I'm just like, well, that depends on you, buddy. That depends on you. So when he said, hey, I gave him a slice of pizza, it was because he was unsure if I would have been willing to offer him a slice of pizza after what happened. So we'll see. We will see. Sounds, how far are you into that?
Starting point is 04:14:19 I mean, like, I want to say, you know, probably about 10 hours into story mode. Sounds like, sounds like that's getting intense already. It is. It's the most intense. It's the most intense has ever been. And again, every other party game is a joke, especially since I just took a look at like Sonic Shuffle, like fuck off everything. Every nothing has anything on Dokopon Kingdom ever. It's crazy that this game never got ported to a future platform with sequels and shit like that. It's crazy that both Dokopon 17 doesn't exist. Right. The fact that it's like we and then DS and that was it is wild because like there is a market for hatred. There is a mark. This is this is like, remember the joke,
Starting point is 04:15:09 fuck you grandma. Oh yeah. This is like, like that's nothing. That's absolutely nothing. You know, so anyway, Dokopon continues. All of that over on Woolly Versus, Woolly Versus on Twitch, Woolly Versus on YouTube, you know, and Woolly Wolves on Twitter. Hell, you can go to fucking woollyversus.com if you want. That'll fuck us there. It'll just take you straight to the YouTube page. It's not a. Oh, OK. Yeah, sure enough, it totally does. There you go.
Starting point is 04:15:42 Well, let's let's take a look at what's happening this week. Oh my God, I got to take a piss so fucking bad. Jesus Christ. All right, go for it. I'll be back in two minutes. Excuse me, gang. I'm gonna keep my headphone on so I can hear you while I pee. No, no, no, I'll hit the brick. I hope to break. Oh, OK. All right. There we are. Hey, what's up, everybody? Man, I've been drinking so much water. That's all these piss breaks are for. Oh my goodness. Got to stay hydrated. Hydrated is good. Hydrated is good. So what's up?
Starting point is 04:16:20 Well, we have an interesting dynamic this week. We have a game getting canceled and we also have a game getting uncanceled. But enough of that shit. Here comes space Godzilla. Oh, have you seen space Godzilla? No. Time for me to send you a picture. All right, I'll take a look at this fucking photo. Send me a photo, Willie. In fact, I will send you an article and you can just you can read the name of the article and then you can scroll down to take a look at this picture right here. Space on space Godzilla. Space Godzilla, the void invader. Space Godzilla, the death corona death corona. Come on.
Starting point is 04:17:24 Months ago, when E Coria, a layer of behemoths was finalized, the world was a very different place as we adjust to the world altered by the spread of COVID-19. The word corona has taken out a new meaning. In context, the card we're about to show was originally conceived. The corona beam is space Godzilla's traditional breath weapon. However, we were unable to change our printing at the time to address the new meaning of corona. The original card that went out as the Godzilla cross magic, the gathering promotional thing is space Godzilla death corona as it breathes the corona beam on everybody. Oh, come on. This was literally like, what are you going to do? What are you going to what? It is what it is.
Starting point is 04:18:14 They're reprinting it so that eventually space Godzilla, the void invader, which also sounds like it has connotation. Void Invader sounds like a wwe soundtrack. It sounds like one of their albums, right? Wwe ruthless aggression. Wwe fucking whatever the fuck it was dorm invasions or whatever. And now just, I don't think that was a real Wwe event. No, no, it wasn't. But yeah, forcible entry. Forcible entry was the real one. Get out really. And now and now. Yeah. And now comes void invader. Anyway, um, that's that is just bad RNG, bro. You drew wizards of the coast, shuffled the deck, and they pulled out the wrong card. How could they have known?
Starting point is 04:19:18 They couldn't have known. It's so unfortunate. Chat chat, you need to chill. People are wild and folks, it's just an unfortunate naming convention. And there's nothing you can really It's not a lot by Godzilla to get us all sick. Better not be anyway. Wwe statutory. I knew I knew you had one more in you. All right, listen, man. Yeah. Hey, they like I do. I do appreciate in this story that the discovery of the story was statement on space Godzilla. Yeah, that's pretty good that someone had to walk up to the podium and clarify, you know, the, uh, what was happening. But
Starting point is 04:20:31 anyway, um, that's all fun. And speaking of Wwe, uh, I haven't seen it, but you must have heard about early WrestleMania was incredible. Apparently, WrestleMania night two was incredible night one. There are some highlights. I definitely saw some highlights of, um, just what it's like when there's no crowd and the sounds and such. And then there's the full on like filmed performance, uh, uh, rat matches. So, uh, the undertaker is full on teleporting and using powers in his matches. Um, fantastic. Love it. Great. Good energy. But night two featured, uh, John Cena, uh, basically becoming Shin Chi from what I can gather and going through various phases of his career and being forced into a literal like time lock chamber and he John Cena is stuck
Starting point is 04:21:36 in a mental prison because the fiend is fighting him through time and in the match different eras of John Cena actually like appear and try to fight the fiend. I swear to God. And I saw, I literally saw at least one clip of Cena in his full wrap outfit gear going these nuts with a bag of nuts. And then he tries to swing at the fiend and then the fiend teleports behind him. And I'm like, okay. So what I'm getting is that, um, the lower stakes and the total lack of a crowd is legitimately the greatest thing that could ever happen a wrestling. And it makes me wonder like, say the crowds come back because, you know, hopefully this will go away eventually. Um, will wrestling just go back to being complete garbage? Actually,
Starting point is 04:22:36 the first, the greatest thing to ever happen in wrestling was Vince McMahon, um, making the gambit that, uh, in court, if I basically can prove, uh, that wrestling is not real, you can't tax me like it's a sport. And, uh, that was a ballsy play, but he did it. And the result was sports entertainment and we're here and admitting the K-fabe. But what happened in the process was all audience members became smarks. Yes. Insufferable smarks. Brilliant. Dodge the tax, create the smark, the smarkiverse. And, um, with that, you allow there to be things like the pipe bomb, for example, right? Mm hmm. Second greatest. Yeah, probably no audience and the creativity that comes with,
Starting point is 04:23:38 because now wrestling gets to just become television. Anime, if you would. Yes, sure. It gets to just become the stories that we've all been waiting for. Um, for people that have a smark is a smart mark. A mark is a person who believes, uh, K-fabe is real. K-fabe is wrestling fucking Carney talk for the, you know, the, um, the, the, the fake things that happen in wrestling world. If you believe wrestling is real, you're a mark. If you know that it's fake, you're a smark. That's what a smark is. Yeah, you're a smart mark. You still want to believe, but you can't. It's still real to me. Damn it. Man, wrestling is such Carney bullshit. The fact that fans are called marks is the most like, yeah, you're a target is the most telling thing caught possible.
Starting point is 04:24:31 Right? Like a mark is like when a crook would want to steal your money. You're a common language. Yeah. It's fucked. Could you imagine if you were going to see a football game and like by becoming a football fan, they call you a John. Yeah, we got a couple of thousand Johns coming to see the Super Bowl. Like, you know, football, you don't, you don't know it's not the case. What does that say about me? I'm not a John. What the fuck? Anyway, so, um, yeah, I need to apparently go fucking catch up on this because yeah, they had, they had like a bunch of really, you know, uh, um, interesting matches where I'll go, you hear them talk shit. And of course, the, uh, the everybody talks too much segments of botchamania don't necessarily
Starting point is 04:25:25 get as much material this time around because you can't whisper anymore. Right? So all that dull or some shit. Every time you're in Skullgirls in Beowulf, it's like high spot. Nice. Okay. Now cover me. Right. Like all that shit. Like you can't really do that because you're fucking, it's shit's empty. You know, so they got to, they got to memorize what they, what they're doing and do it or have more subtle signals, you know? Uh, yeah, I definitely, I definitely, uh, need to find out more, but that's been the takeaway is the fiend versus John Cena is wrestling become anime. But the other thing worth talking about as well that everyone has pointed out is in addition to that being great, um, and, you know, being shot at the performance center where everything's happening.
Starting point is 04:26:10 AEW also did a, uh, crowdless event, which was also pretty, uh, fantastic and different and had a lot of fun with it. And it also revealed, I want to say it was like Matt Hardy joined the roster or something like that. But, um, and he showed up and started deleting people. But, uh, but yeah, apparently they're doing it. They're, they're having a good time with it as well. So people are saying then Matt Hardy can also teleport. Sure. Sure. So teleportation ability that wrestlers have gained is very powerful. So AEW is, uh, is also having fun with the, with the, the crowdless matches and it's like, yeah, God bless man. This is, this is what you do. Wrestling will adapt, you know,
Starting point is 04:26:54 when, uh, when all sports fail, wrestling remains, wrestling is still there. It's incredible. Say what you think about it. Everything can fucking go. All leagues can go. Wrestling can stay. Unless sports go die, please. Unless they have, uh, an esports alternative such as NASCAR. That was this week that feels forever ago. So we talked last time about NASCAR and the esports. Okay. Wait, it was last week. Okay. Whoa. Yeah. Remember we talked about that?
Starting point is 04:27:43 Yeah, I do. So it happened. NASCAR iRacing was an event that took place where all the real racers got together and, uh, they did their thing. Uh-huh. However, bubble Wallace, one bubble Wallace was one of the 32 drivers competing, uh, in the, uh, the, the iRacing, the eNASCAR event, eNASCAR iRacing pro-invitational series. Let's get it right. This is so stupid. Oh my God. eNASCAR iRacing pro-invitational. In the match, um, bubble Wallace wrecked on the 11th lap of the 150 lap race.
Starting point is 04:28:38 That's pretty early. Didn't take it so well. Uh-huh. Ended up rage quitting. Are you serious? Live. Yes. Are you fucking for real with me right now? Dead serious. Rage quit, got the fuck out of there, closed his, his fucking game. Um, said fuck this. I don't take this shit seriously. This shit ain't real racing. And then he, he pieced. After he pieced, uh, which he was then disqualified and gets a, you know, gets a DNF for that, a sponsor went, go fuck yourself and pulled their sponsorship
Starting point is 04:29:25 in real life. Perfect. They replied to him on Twitter saying, good to know where you stand. Bye bye, bubble. We're interested in drivers, not quitters. That's incredible. And they basically just went, yeah, you're fired. It's like, would you quit like that in a real race? Like, you know, like really, dude, sponsors lost from fucking rage quitting. I mean, listen, at the end of the day, I suppose, like if you're sponsoring someone because they're a good look, then when they're a bad look, what do you know? That's fucking ludicrous. Isn't that fascinating? Isn't that so interesting? Yeah. And to be fair now, right? Um, I imagine that if any actual esports team were to have
Starting point is 04:30:23 someone fucking rage quit in the middle of a competition, that that person would also face penalties for fucking walking. Absolutely. This is what you're doing. You're being, you're being sponsored to entertain and get the, not play even. Yeah, but no, that's, that's what it was. This is NASCAR's replacement season. It's the fucking eye racing, you know, thing. This is what they're doing to to keep people interested and don't fucking rage quit. Don't do it. I mean, for what it's worth, they created a highlight of the of it and it's on their,
Starting point is 04:30:58 they put it out there on their official Twitter, going like, oh, look at this quitter. Oh, look at that. Look at the hashtag rage quit. Wally, we're, we're covering fucking NASCAR news because it's like amazing. Like it's also video games. It's a video game, man. And yeah. And like, you know, people, people, like we're talking about it as a result of this happening, you know, but this is where it's at. But that sponsor blue emu was not having it. So, uh, yeah, that's, that's amusing, amusing. Um, so some other stuff going down.
Starting point is 04:31:51 Well, you blasted through resident evil three. But will you blast through the board game on kickstarter? No, probably not. Did you see this? I did not. Okay. But I think they made it already to one as well. So there's a resident evil three board game. I guess all Capcom board games are being made by like fan propositions.
Starting point is 04:32:21 It's what it seems to be like, it seems like based on, you know, like angry Joe getting the street fighter one going and we saw that mega man going by another company, it feels as if they're kind of like, Hey, um, we will negotiate this license for you if you want to do this because we're not going to do it ourselves. There are fixed debt card games though for resident evil. Uh, did you, did you find it? Uh, did you, did you find it? No, I haven't found it.
Starting point is 04:32:53 Okay. Well, whatever. Um, it seems like it's the same people that made the RE2 board game. Yeah, that's figured. So yeah, they're going through the, uh, they're going through the, uh, the campaign right now. These miniatures look all right. Can you link me this? Sure. Let me, uh, let me get the link over here. I'm going to send you the article and then, uh, you can go on from there.
Starting point is 04:33:24 I give, I don't know why my brain is failing me. I can't seem to find it. There we go. There we go. Yeah, it looks like it's going to be starting on April 28th and, uh, it'll take cues from the RE2 board game. Um, apparently it can. It can take between, okay.
Starting point is 04:33:47 Wait, between one and four people can play together and attempt to survive Raccoon City and it can take over 19 hours to complete. Holy shit. However, the game will also nonsense. The game will also be structured run the real game in like an hour. The game can also be structured in a way that allows one shot scenarios. Um, but that sounds fucking insane. That's a lot.
Starting point is 04:34:12 Yeah, that's literally longer than the game than multiple runs. Um, so yeah, you know, that's going on and the Jill Valentine that I see here is not wearing the weight. What? Okay. The Jill Valentine appears to be wearing the body suit from five, but she has the hair from three. So I don't know what to look at that. That's revelations.
Starting point is 04:34:43 Is it? Okay. Yeah. They just combined the two? Uh, kind of. Or it's like, that's what she became up until five. Is, is, is what happened in, in Canon timelines? Kind of.
Starting point is 04:34:56 It's, she doesn't have her hat. So who cares? Yeah, that's a shame. That's a shame. Beret Jill was pretty good. Yeah. It's unlockable in RE3 and every single video I've seen of anybody after they beat the game is using explicitly just that.
Starting point is 04:35:12 Can you explain why people are very mad about Scorts? Uh, because they want to look up Jill's skirt. Okay. That's about it. That's it. Okay. Does, does the squirt look bad? A little.
Starting point is 04:35:33 I think Scorts are kind of lame in general, but uh, yeah, that's, that's, that's pretty much it. People are just mad that it like, I want to be able to look up her skirt. Okay. That's like, well, that's why they made it a squirt, guys. Can you unlock her military outfit? No, it's just, uh, it's just, uh, those two costumes in the hat. Weird.
Starting point is 04:36:03 Didn't RE2 have more costumes? Wait, did you say military outfit? Do you mean the hat? I mean the full thing. Yeah. The stars outfit. Yeah. The full stars outfit.
Starting point is 04:36:14 Yeah. RE2 had way more costumes. Yeah. It did. Yeah. Okay. Wait a second. So there's, there's, there's stars outfit.
Starting point is 04:36:22 There's tube top. There's body suit blonde. Yeah. Body suit, not blonde. Yeah, but it's a different body suit. Oh, yeah. Because one's a body suit and the other's a wet suit. Okay.
Starting point is 04:36:43 Well, in any case, um, the blonde is the worst and that's how I feel. You're right. You're completely right. Well, anyway, so, um, speaking of survival horror, um, there's this game, uh, that was just announced called Signalis and it is described as a classic survival horror experience with a unique aesthetic full of melancholic mystery. Let me send you a link to this thing.
Starting point is 04:37:22 Signalis, um, trailer and art style immediately, immediately a hard sell. Yeah. I took a look at this earlier in the week. It looks incredible. Hard sell on that right away. Um, S-I-G-N-A-L-I-S looks fucking clean. And, um, I'm getting vibes of fear effect. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 04:37:51 Like some of the moments, some of the, like it looks like, like anime horror in some ways. Yeah, it is anime and it does have the same pseudo, like, I mean, polygonal style as fear effect. And like it's got a lot more going on with the camera in the background. And it has like a bit of a, uh, Motoko style main character. Definitely a ghost in the shell influence. Yeah, yeah. So I'm seeing, I'm seeing some fear effect and I'm seeing some ghosts in the shell.
Starting point is 04:38:22 Way more horror based lighting. Um, and like, you see like a pause screen of like a cell shaded gun and shit like that. So the cell shading is definitely, um, ever present. But yeah, this looks fucking incredible. Looks really, really nice. So, uh, this is being put out by Rose engine and is currently TBA. But I'm glad we're finally at that place. So we're starting to see like high end impossible to create PlayStation one games.
Starting point is 04:38:55 Being made by small teams. Yeah. Cause like we, we went through the era of like, oh, this is a NES game, but it couldn't have been a NES game. And this was a Super Nintendo game, but there's no way it could have been a Super Nintendo game. Right. And now we're at PS one, which I think is a really underutilized aesthetic. Well, not just that, but it also shows you that as we move forward in time,
Starting point is 04:39:15 the bracket that is indie gets to move further in time. Right. So indie games go from NES to SNES from SNES to 32, you know, and like we move a bit up and we move a bit up. And I mean, there's always been like, you know, the high end indie games, of course, but like, yeah, I like seeing more targeted points of like this game is straight from this era and is yeah, it's totally doing the cheated version, you know, like Shovel Knight did, but cheated NES, except, well, pseudo, they tried to keep it as accurate as possible,
Starting point is 04:39:52 except for a couple of moments that they pointed out. Yeah, Dusk is a great example. Dusk is a really nice example of that as well. But yeah, Signalis looks fucking rad. And I definitely think everyone who is listening to this should take a look at it and see how they feel about it. A couple other game announcements worth taking a glance at. The other one that is probably right up your alley again is something called
Starting point is 04:40:25 Mortal Shell. Have you seen? Yeah, I saw that. That is fucking Viking souls, basically. Viking souls appears to be the word. But there's also just, I wouldn't even, like, but Viking souls also is like taking away how much Dark Souls I see here. Well, they've placed Viking Dark Souls.
Starting point is 04:40:54 There's a lot of, sorry. They've replaced the word soul with shell. Yeah. And are going to do the thing where they say it over and over and over and over and over again. You're going to use your shells. It's a mortal shell. All of them. 100%.
Starting point is 04:41:18 It looks amazing. It looks really, really pretty. And apparently the developer Cold Symmetry is made up of former Call of Duty, Diablo, and Halo devs. Okay, that's a weird combination. Yeah. I was trying to look them up to find out anything else I could, but all I saw is just not much about them.
Starting point is 04:41:44 It's just a team of X devs on those games is all we really know. And it is an action RPG and it's going to be really hard. I bet. I fucking bet. Non-linear story campaign, upgrade trees, and its own twist on the genre shells. Shells are the lost remains of defeated warriors who you can take control of to switch up your play style. Different enemies have different skills and weapons.
Starting point is 04:42:10 So shells can come in handy when you defeat powerful foes, for example. Little else is known about the feature at present, but it certainly sounds intriguing. And then you get the trailer. You can possibly play as bosses, is what I'm getting from that description. Kill Artorias, become Artorias. You wish. You fucking wish. There's no way it's going to be that cool.
Starting point is 04:42:37 I mean, at certain points in the trailer, you see what looks like a ghostly spirit kind of apparition come out of the player and go into something else. So it looks like that's your body switch mechanic, you know. But you definitely also see some big ass melee charge ups. You see a moment where I want to describe it as, you know, the exact charge and click of amplified, whatever, distorted. Now, what's it called again? With the charge blade in Monster Hunter, where you do the big.
Starting point is 04:43:10 Oh, ultra burst, I think. No, that's not it. Elemental, amplified elemental discharge. You think out of the super gigantic one? Super gigantic one. Super altered, super elemental discharge. Super amped elemental discharge. Yeah, that's exactly.
Starting point is 04:43:32 I probably never called it that once. I probably just call it ultra burst. Okay. I think I might have invented that term myself. So there's a moment where you see the character lean back with like a spear and kind of have a little click with that and then, you know, like jerk it forward. There's another moment where you see someone kind of lean with the sword in a kind of parry-ish position.
Starting point is 04:43:53 So we're seeing some mechanics right off the bat. Lighting is fucking glorious in this thing. Yeah, it looks nice. Really, really pretty lighting. And for a one minute or for a rather 147 minute long trailer, they're showing off a ton of environments, a ton of monsters and a ton of like, I guess like boss, yeah, boss fights. In fact, it appears to be almost like mostly one-on-ones, you know?
Starting point is 04:44:26 So unless they're showing off the whole game, like this is going to feature quite a bit. But every fight seemed to be a one-on-one in this so far. And that is probably the most exciting thing to me. I want to see more before. Of course. Because there's been, there's been some games that have come out and they're like, ah, it's like souls.
Starting point is 04:44:49 And you're like, ah, right? This one looks promising, but needs a little bit more, you know? And of course, there's always grim on the horizon. What's that? George R. R. Martin and Fromsoft. Oh. Looking on Elden Ring. Elden Ring.
Starting point is 04:45:08 Yeah, sure. Whatever. You're in the phase where it's not real yet. That's been years. Show it off. I wonder if it'll be. Kind of convinced he forgot how to write at all. Hey, he just came out and said this isolation is actually helping him work in Westeros more than ever.
Starting point is 04:45:35 It better. So. Could you imagine if he fucking caught it, bro? Start writing now. Start writing now. Thanks. Thanks, old place. Yeah.
Starting point is 04:45:57 Um, got signal us. We got Mortal Shell. We got, uh, Platinum Games has a fifth announcement coming to the Platinum Four because that fourth one wasn't the real fourth one. Ah, well, the fourth one wasn't really an announcement. It was just they're opening a Tokyo office, which is cool, which is cool. That means you don't have to go as far to stock them. You don't have to get all the way to Osaka to the Shin Umea building to possibly the 14th floor.
Starting point is 04:46:26 Maybe I don't remember. It's in there. Yes, you don't have to go that far. You can simply find your way to Tokyo. You know, rent is high, so they got to make money. They got to sell big games. One day. Fucking one day they will.
Starting point is 04:46:55 Fifth announcement coming at some point. We will see. We will find out. Also, out of the blue, Indivisible is getting a pretty big update. That is adding New Game Plus and Couch Co-op. So, yeah, free update going to drop. In fact, it already dropped this week. Excuse me on April 2nd.
Starting point is 04:47:25 So, yeah, New Game Plus replay with everything you've completed from the start with access to new areas and abilities. Plus, the hair change based on where that game goes. And then, also, you can grab three controllers and run around with Agena and three other party members on the overworld and in fights, effectively, and play it as a four-player co-op juggling kind of fight. That's a pretty cool feature. It reminds me a little bit of the multiplayer that they add to Tales games.
Starting point is 04:48:09 So, like Symfonia, for example, where you're still playing Symfonia, but if you plug in a couple extra controllers, some people can just sit out and combo some shit with you. It's kind of like that. It's cool. I dig it. Yeah, even games like Indivisible can be fun with friends. And Mandatory Shade.
Starting point is 04:48:30 And it is Mandatory. And then there's this one, which you definitely probably haven't seen. But I'm going to throw it your way anyway, because this is definitely from the Woolly School of Never Mind the Graphics. Just the concept is this is 100% a game I'd fucking make, if I could. This game is called Fly Punch Boom. Okay, off we go. Let's take a look.
Starting point is 04:49:01 Fly Punch Boom is everything you've seen in your favorite anime fights. Fly fast, smash your friends so hard that whole planet's breaking half, ram skyscrapers, whales, and asteroids. It's the wildest anime fight. Fly Punch Boom is basically two super-powered, like, Kaio-ken level motherfuckers flying at each other. It's fucking Superman versus, what's his name? In the fucking Zack, in the Snyderverse.
Starting point is 04:49:33 Doomsday? Not even Doomsday. Dude there. Zod, Zod, Zod. Right, flying at each other, and then you play a couple of minigames to, like, hit each other and go flying into buildings and debris and all kinds of nonsense. Or before you fly and punch the other, the opponent, you kick a building to the other person. Now here's the thing, the sprites look super goofy, like complete meme face nonsense.
Starting point is 04:50:05 Completely. Yup. The momentum displayed and the things you kind of fly into and crack through and whatnot. I'm very interested to seeing how this looks, because it's basically, like, yeah, you take that kind of, like, shit 2000s flash game vibe, but you kind of add, you know, you know how Zao Zao was, like, stick fighting, but is, like, cool, even though it was dumb? This might be the first game in a long time that I would say to myself, this game looks pretty good, and this game looks fucking terrible, and both of them.
Starting point is 04:50:45 Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, I know exactly what you mean. The concept is super cool, and it looks tons of fun, but it looks terrible. I wish it didn't look the way it looked, but the flow of it is rad. Oh, it's a Nidhogg too. It's a Nidhogg, yeah, totally a Nidhogg too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Starting point is 04:51:03 It, it, it, it, the flow of it looks super duper cool. They're going with nine gag faces. Oh, man. On some of these, on some of these characters. This looks like fucking garbage. Looks fun though. But then they clash together, and you kick the guy into space, and you crack through the moon, and there's a planet crack that is straight out of Megaton Punch in Kirby Superstar.
Starting point is 04:51:27 Like, you literally punch the planet and crack it in half. Like, that's, that's, that's a full-on Kirby moment, so. I'm curious. I want to see it. I'm, I'm going to check it out. Fly Punch Boom, you know, but yeah, yeah. It's, it's simultaneously rad, but also that, that fucking goofy-ass art style. You can't unsee it.
Starting point is 04:51:53 It would be incredible if, um, well anyway, we get it. Yeah, if it was just like, imagine a different art style. Pick one. Almost any other art style. Like, I was going to say like, imagine like Blasphemous or something, but it's like, no. No, just pick anything. It's like, do you remember, do you remember when Dust and Elysian Tail came out? Yeah.
Starting point is 04:52:20 And it was like, oh man, this animation is so good, and these characters are so ugly. Wow. That game's really good, too. It's like, man, bummer. A little bit of Dragon Ball happening in some of these, uh, some of these moments here. Um, so yeah, there's that. Uh, I want to just point out the, uh, shout outs to Today I Learned for pointing something out that I didn't fucking know, and I don't know if you knew this.
Starting point is 04:53:00 Castlevania 1. Today I Learned in 1986. All game designers working for Konami were forbidden to attach their actual name to any project. Yeah, they, they all had to create pseudonyms and weird tags, uh, basically so that they could not be credited and thus not poached by any other developer at the time. So that's, that's why they all have like goofy monster movie names at the end of the game, Ram Stoker and so on. So when you, uh, Christopher B, when you, when you look at the credits of Castlevania 1,
Starting point is 04:53:41 they're all wacky names and, um, I obviously didn't know this. Uh, yeah, it was straight up, um, to not allow any other studios to poach their devs. Oh, totally. Konami's evil as shit. So, uh, workers then tried to put in hints about their names in some of the pseudonyms they chose. Uh, you know, some people tried to like get the point across apparently, but yeah, um, fucking Konami literally was like, no one gets credit. No one made this video game from the jump from day one on Konami.
Starting point is 04:54:28 Like, does anyone know who did, who directed Konami, uh, Castlevania 1? Like, is it actually still a mystery? This is kind of insane to me. It probably is. Apparently it wasn't just Konami either. Oh, a lot of them did that. This is wild. I had no idea.
Starting point is 04:54:48 Remember there were Japanese companies that would like actively destroy everything after a game shipped because they were worried that Nintendo would steal their secrets. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Right, right, right. Like literally like fucking feeding design documents and gold masters into shredders. I mean, I'd be like crazy. It's either that or like, uh, Neo Geo or SNK's like, yeah, we lost the builds. We just lost them.
Starting point is 04:55:18 They're gone. How'd you lose them? They were, they were in, they were in a place and the boxes are gone. And then I think, no, I think it was when they moved to a Saka. I think they, when they moved to a Saka or from a Saka that like the boxes didn't come with them. And they just, I think, I think the greatest tragedy of this type of story ever is that there is a PC port for Windows 95 or maybe 98. Of Panzer Dragoon Saga that was developed exclusively for Gamefly that was completely
Starting point is 04:55:58 done and never got final official clearance for release and existed for years as a single CD in some guy's desk and then got lost when Gamefly went out of business. Fuck, yeah. You know, um, that's not, that's hardly the first of those. Of course. So I talk, I talk every now and then about the, um, the hotel Nintendo that had exclusive games developed for it, including one radical Dreamers, the half an hour precursor to Chrono Trigger. Oh man.
Starting point is 04:56:39 And then they realized that nobody ever played that shit. So they had to fucking retcon a bunch of bullshit in a Chrono Cross. Gamefly still around? Well, whatever, that shit's gone. You didn't stay in a Japanese hotel and, and, and play radical Dreamers? What are you, some kind of fake fan? Look at these secondaries here. Look at these secondaries, not sleeping in Japanese hotels.
Starting point is 04:57:05 I've slept in a Japanese hotel, but it was in like 2015 or 2016. A little, a little past the time. Was it an Airbnb or a hotel? A hotel. So a hotel. Oh, okay. Well, well, then the console wasn't there. So go fuck yourself. No, yeah.
Starting point is 04:57:21 Why would you even ask when you knew that's what you were going to say? Fucking secondary. What? I'm not even a secondary for the Chrono series. I like one of them. Is it even a series? Ah, legally? No, legally it is not a series.
Starting point is 04:57:51 If you want to get down to it. Legally, legally it is not a series. In any other context of the word, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, it's not a franchise. There was that, there was that, uh, that OVA to featuring, uh, all the little monsters. Oh, Gato with the silver points. Yes. That's right.
Starting point is 04:58:33 Yeah. Do the ports caught? Unfortunately, they don't. Those are all the same game. Those are all the same game. The DS1 has a extra bit that ruins the story. In any case, this is one of those things where, uh, so it's, it's, it's, yeah, not really up for debate.
Starting point is 04:58:55 That's, that's a hard confirm. Well, it was the, it was the game that men got mad at you over called hidden in plain sight. No, but I did play that. Last week, because that just came up six minutes ago and I'm like, were you abusing that man's color blindness again? No, no, no, no, no. It's not that one. Oh, no, this is the one you talked about before.
Starting point is 04:59:21 Yeah. Now I remember this one. Yeah. Oh, hold on a second. We got live corrections, live corrections. It wasn't on the hotels. It was set to love view. It was an add-on.
Starting point is 04:59:34 That's even, that's even stupid. And it was for chrono cross. There we go. Thank you for the corrections. That's what it was. Oh, and it looks like if you go to the Wikipedia article for Castlevania, then the correct people are in fact credit. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 04:59:48 That's nice. When nerd did that, I don't think it was, uh, it was known at the time because AVGN and his Castlevania episode talked about, uh, the fact that the credits were all fucked up. Right. Um, yes. So yeah, no, we played, uh, we played screen sheet and, uh, there's colors to the areas that you are in.
Starting point is 05:00:12 I knew it. I fucking knew it. But if you watch the video, you will see that there is an option called color blind mode. And when you turn it on, it adds unique textures to every area. Therefore, did you use that mode? Yes, we did. How would you, what? How are you going to abuse his color blindness like that?
Starting point is 05:00:36 He said it himself that it had nothing to do with his, with his eyesight and everything to do with just him. Like he literally in the middle of the game goes, I'm going to use this as my excuse, even though it's totally me. Um, anyway, and the last bit here, and of course the juiciest bit here, is, uh, how many of you out there bought yourself a copy of cooking mama cook star? Don't lie. You didn't buy it.
Starting point is 05:01:03 No one. Nope. Well, you couldn't. Most people, this story got pretty wild pretty quickly. It got bumped, then it got debunked, and then rebunked. It got rebunked. This is, which is a word I like. I'm a big fan of rebunked.
Starting point is 05:01:20 Um, that's solid. I don't think I've ever seen that used in a context. I mean, I've never seen that used in a context. That's solid. I don't think I've ever seen that used in a context. And I'm, I'm a fan of it. Uh, so cooking mama cooking mama cook star. Now, I guess the timeline to take it from the origin point was the first thing I saw
Starting point is 05:01:46 about it was a post where someone in discord basically went, uh, everyone, this is urgent. If you own cooking mama cook star, uninstall it immediately. It's using your system, your switch to mine cryptocurrency and potentially handing your personal info and credit information to cyber shroom for the heads up credit to cyber shroom for the heads up. Um, the company that published it is owned by, uh, surviving coke brother. The actual owners of cooking mama don't know shit about it. The press release describes it as having a blockchain based DRM.
Starting point is 05:02:21 The headquarters of the publisher is house in Connecticut. If you get your hands on it, it won't launch unless you're online, switch network, traffic, skyrockets, battery life craters, and the thing overheats in about half an hour. Now this was the original random post from some people on a discord that got screened. And everyone went, whoa, wait, it's just a random guy on discord. Sounded pretty scary. So, uh, what happened next was the game itself.
Starting point is 05:02:48 Got delisted from the nintendo very quick, uh, from the e shop. So it was like, what the shit is going on with this game? Right. Um, so, you know, a bunch of people tried to figure out what was happening here. And it seems that it's like, no, it actually does use the battery life. Like crazy fucking wildly, like way more than any other game. But you can buy a physical copy of the game and you can play that physical copy without being connected to the internet.
Starting point is 05:03:17 Um, so yeah, this, this, uh, it got reported by IGN. It was, uh, it ran up on the front page everywhere. And basically from what we can see, they wanted that it got pulled. And then afterwards there was, uh, a huge speculation, uh, based on the fact that it killed the battery life that quickly. And I think someone, uh, basically looked at the game code and thought that they saw something, uh, mentioning blockchain technology being involved. Um, and suspecting that cryptocurrency mining was basically what was taking place.
Starting point is 05:03:58 They then reached out to the developer who replied and said, um, as the developers, we can say with certainty that there's no cryptocurrency or data collection or blockchain or anything else shady in the code. The Nintendo switch is a very safe platform with none of the data privacy issues associated with some of the mobile and PC games. This is a release from February, 2019. And we presume hypothetical like most releases are about blockchain are, uh, blockchain was never brought up to us developers and we were entertained to hear
Starting point is 05:04:25 about in late 2019, not happening anytime soon, uh, followed up with data minor reports suggesting that the offending code was removed prior to launch. Could be the root cause for the game being pulled from sale. So, um, couple of different people investigated independently. And we're able to see that like, uh, suspicious holes in the code. Effectively, cooking mama is a big topic today. We need to look at it from all angles. From reverse engineering, it's been found that there's no crypto mining in the game.
Starting point is 05:05:00 However, battery does drain fast due to shoddy removal of said code. Um, uh, it seems like there's nothing relating to crypto minor or blockchain stuff anywhere in the code. And then we worked with the user who has a physical copy and can confirm that the game works offline. It works without a linked user account. It works on a formatted console and currency and blockchain appear to be removed. What about the music?
Starting point is 05:05:26 Well, now someone else looked in and saw that it uses music that was ripped from YouTube. Looking at the track list, they were able to see three files that were listed as YouTube rips. They're literally cooking mama five background music, one YouTube rip, which, you know, here's, here's here again. I'm just going to put my fucking, put my, uh, uh, my test floor hat on and say, can you guys send us the assets, please? Yeah, sure. We'll get on it.
Starting point is 05:05:57 Can you send me the assets, please? What? Yeah, sure. We'll get on it. Can you send me the fuck? Fuck it. We did just click, click, click, click, click. Never mind.
Starting point is 05:06:08 We got it. Right. When you get a, uh, a third party studio involved and you're not handing them over everything they need, fuck it. Download and rip from YouTube. Um, so then this all, of course, leads to, uh, what appears to be another, uh, statement that I guess is currently the, where this is at. Um, and it's my pleasure to quote some guy on Twitter.
Starting point is 05:06:43 Yeah. Some guy on Twitter says my favorite news source for everyone saying good cooking mama is mining Bitcoin. It is untrue and entirely false. Um, it's, it's harmful to something positive for gaming. The people who want to sync cooking mama want to make money from you. Let me, a computer scientist explain, um, about, uh, understanding blockchain. The DRM blockchain, uh, blockchain is not cryptocurrency.
Starting point is 05:07:09 It's a theory of transparent stock management, um, used by cooking mama coming home to mama is a positive thing for gaming. It manages digital and physical IDs so they can be resold by the consumer. It allows used digital games. Furthermore, the variable ID system will allow them to provide subtle variation in gameplay so that everyone's experience is different and that's cool and very good. Uh, people saying it's mining Bitcoin are based on absurd conjecture. Uh, that is cool and very good.
Starting point is 05:07:38 You're right. Uh, and hearing it's blockchain, so it's mining Bitcoin. Um, okay, this goes on for a while. Yeah, article that I got, which was pulled up in the past two hours, which appears to be that the publisher and the developer, uh, uh, sorry, the publisher and the IP holder are in disagreement over the game being a total piece of shit. Do tell. Yeah.
Starting point is 05:08:13 Hold on. Let me, let me get it, uh, cooking. Uh, two hours ago from Nintendo life, cooking while my Coke star pulled over legal dispute and not between cryptocurrency mining claims dev. It's a legal battle between the publisher and IP holder. Well, shit. There you go. Uh, statement was click.
Starting point is 05:08:40 Uh, there's a legal battle between the publisher, planet entertainment and the IP holder office create planet entertainment, release the game against a request by office create to keep polishing the game or perhaps even canceling it. At one point, the Japanese official create clients came to oversee development. An argument started and the clients were told to go home if they weren't being constructive. Once they found out the planet entertainment released the game, they used their Nintendo contacts to pull it from the e shop and stop production of cartridges.
Starting point is 05:09:12 Overall, everyone at one P loves the cooking mama franchise and did their best to make the best product considering the interference from higher ups. I think the game is far from perfect, but would have been done fine without the publisher stumbling so constantly. So they sent people over there and went, yo, this is a piece of fucking shit. Don't release this. And they were like, no, we're going to release it. Not the first time.
Starting point is 05:09:39 Not the first time that someone licensed something out and then got something back and went, we can't, we can't put this out. Yeah, usually those games just die. It's very rare that they get released and then they go, no, this one was supposed to die. I'm also shocked at the cooking mama IP holders kind of making a decision that was like, not the integrity of cooking mama, though, instead of just letting there be a stinker, because usually it's just easier to collect what little you can and anyone to show if you can't trust cooking mama, who can you trust, you know,
Starting point is 05:10:24 you know, pita, that's who. Oh, yes, I see. Thanks, I hope Joe, I hope Joe gets better enough that we can get another 10 episodes of tiger king. I did, I did laugh at the Joe exotic teams up with pita arc. Oh, that was a wild arc, because that was basically Goku and Frieza teaming up to take down Joe.
Starting point is 05:10:58 Like, come on guys, come on. Shit is wild. That was a crazy one. Let's take some emails. You motherfucker, I knew it. I fucking knew it. I, as soon as you fucking mentioned, uh, kick pot, what the fuck, fly punch, boom. I'm like, this motherfucker's going to skip over the fucking FF seven and last of us news.
Starting point is 05:11:27 He's just going to skip it. He's going to skip over the rainy pitchfork shit. Uh, last of us delayed indefinitely. Or until further notice, FF seven, what happened? They just decided to ship it. But didn't the Europe thing, didn't we talk about that? That Europe was getting it first. Was that last week?
Starting point is 05:11:57 Yeah. I, we talked about FF seven coming out early in Europe and then they put out the tweet and then I read the tweet. Oh my God, I'm losing my mind. Damn it. Yeah. Well, last of us actually just pulled from the PlayStation store apparently. Damn. Uh, that's weird.
Starting point is 05:12:16 Delayed indefinitely. Delayed indefinitely was, was what I heard. Yeah. The Randy thing is new though. Right. So, um, Gearbox has a, here's what I, here's what I got from the story. Gearbox has a profit share system where, uh, employees make 40% of what a game makes and the company makes 60% and, uh, they basically split that across bonuses they receive every few months.
Starting point is 05:12:43 And, uh, for Borderlands two, they were, um, they, it was successful enough that people made gigantic bonuses and were able to buy a house and, uh, with, with the, with what they got. And it was a very, uh, like good thing for the, the team. And so Borderlands three was, uh, supposed to be the same thing as they're a private company. And what happened was they had to, uh, borrow more money for production against the game. So as a result of those creditors needing to be paid back, um, Randy announced that they would be getting much less on their bonuses this time around compared to last time because those, um, the, the, those, those loans had to be paid back.
Starting point is 05:13:32 Um, and he also took, uh, a $12 million bonus himself out of the company, 60% and not the employee 40%. So there's all sorts of fun little pieces to that, which is like the game actually did really well. Borderlands three did better than Borderlands. It did really, really well. The only reason those people aren't getting those bonuses is because costs were higher, which isn't usually the part of a profit share, right? It's a profit share, right?
Starting point is 05:14:06 Uh, but on top of that, like Randy just dipping in and getting his monies again. Yeah. Um, just give me my monies. That's, that's the point that I, that the story gets like, I mean, if the, it is a profit share, as you said, right? Um, it is, it is certainly kind of fucked and, and, and, and, you know, not a, not, not the way you should be going about business. If you're going to like put the, put an extra stipulation on top of that 40% because that's
Starting point is 05:14:43 not contractually agreed to or I, you know what, I don't know what it's contractually agreed to quite frankly, I should say. Honestly, he's the CEO of a private company. He might as well be the fucking king of that thing. Sure, sure, sure. But on the premise of understanding what is stated, if we think what we were getting here is correct information, um, you know, and I think they put out a statement, right? Like, uh, if you can, if you can pull that up, uh, grab that.
Starting point is 05:15:05 Oh, I don't know. But they, uh, yeah, the part where, um, you know, that, that the expectations of the sources are going to change. Oh, I know what the statement was. If you don't like it, quit. That was his actual statement. Let's grab that. Um, yeah, that's the, the, but like the fact that you're like, and the, and the, the cherry
Starting point is 05:15:31 on top at the end of it is that like he went and grabbed his own personal bonus, uh, you know, from the company percent, not the 40%. It's still just like, you know, so you're going to be safe, but everyone else has to eat it. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Not a great Randy bad man.
Starting point is 05:15:52 Not a great Randy bad. That's right. Okay. So let me see if I can get it here just to be on the level. Randy is a Persona five villain. He's actually really similar to a specific Persona five villain. If he took it from the employee 40, that would be the, that would be the Persona level. That would be the, the, uh, the fucking, but he has got a policy their way.
Starting point is 05:16:25 He's got a policy their way, but if he took it from that 40, it would have been wild. Yeah. Cause that's like out of your pocket, but at your, but either way. Um, right. So here we go. Yeah. Who finance six anonymous sources reporting the story. It's the draw of a gearbox is the profit sharing.
Starting point is 05:16:48 Yeah. The part we left out was that they get paid way lower wages than as a result of. Sorry. Go ahead. So it's the way we'll lower raises as our way lower wages as a result of the profit share. So what happened is, is Randy goes into the office and goes, Oh man, you guys are going to get such big money when the project ships. Oh, big money.
Starting point is 05:17:08 We got that epic money. Oh, we're doing so well. And then when it times. To come forward. So that's the, that's the wages are lower than standard so that the bonuses. Right. Right. Right.
Starting point is 05:17:19 And then the time for the checks come out and people look at their checks and they go, what the fuck is this? They go, he goes, Oh yeah, a cost overrun. Oh yeah. His palace would be a magic show. Holy fuck. That's so on point. That's really good.
Starting point is 05:17:34 That's perfect right there. That's insanely on point. Good job, Dash. Um, so here we go. In the most recent pay period, Gearbox talent enjoyed, um, news that Borderlands 3 having earned revenue exceeding the largest investment ever made by the company into a single video game has officially become a profitable video game. And the talented Gearbox that participates in the royalty bonus system has now earned
Starting point is 05:17:59 their first royalty bonus on that profit. Additionally, a forecast update was given to the talent that Gearbox, um, that it participates in the royalty bonus to set expectations for the coming quarters. Uh, Gearbox is a private company that does not issue forward looking statements to the public, but we do practice transparency within our own family. Oh, that's, that's so it just, it just says the first bonus went out and we told them what to expect, but that what, what to expect is not public. Yeah, Randy's a thief allegedly.
Starting point is 05:18:36 Not just content to steal allegedly Sega's money. What's up? No, that's it. He performs a magic trick and then your money's gone. Okay. I mean that you just, you know, you started, you started that out like you had stuff to say there. I'll be honest.
Starting point is 05:19:01 I'm kind of tired. Pucci, you look like you have something to say. Do you? I have to go back to my home stream. If you've got letters, you can send them to castle super beast mail at gmail.com. That's castle super beast mail at gmail.com. What do we got this week, man? A really, really long podcast.
Starting point is 05:19:27 Yeah. Tired of what? Dude, I've been up since 5 30 this morning. Okay, we got one coming in. Uh, Robby, Robby says, Hey there North neighbors, Brandon, excuse me, Brendan. I was watching interspecies reviewers after hearing Pat talk about it and around episode four or five, there's a message at the top left at the end of the opening song.
Starting point is 05:19:49 It seems the creators weren't all too happy with Funimation and the other companies that took their show off the streaming platforms. The message reads eat fucking shit Funimation, Amazon, Tokyo, Mx and other lame fan sub groups. Just thought this was hilarious to see. That doesn't sound funny actually. That's really fucking hilarious. That doesn't sound real. Is that real?
Starting point is 05:20:10 Uh, I hope it's real. Proof needed. Uh, I don't care. I'm going to live my life as if it were real now. Source. I believe it. Please. I'm narraturing this.
Starting point is 05:20:20 Citation needed. Come on. The citation is right in your hands in that email. That sounds like a fan subbers, uh, uh, work, not, not officially. Uh, pro tip for Willie, when you get around to watching the CGI Clone Wars series, be sure to watch the episodes in chronological order. It's not as bad as Beyond Two Souls, but every little bit helps. Yes, I've been hearing the debate ravaging back and forth between people saying just watch it
Starting point is 05:20:50 in release order and just watching it chronological. Uh, I'm a big fan of release order every day personally. It's the same here. You guys can, you can fight it out and make a decision on that on what you think is best, but personally I'd rather watch and or play things in the order that they came out in real life and then I can piece it back together myself. Um, it feels like whatever you get by changing the order around, you know, like you're not getting things the way they were made.
Starting point is 05:21:23 So yeah, I'm not a fan of fucking with that, which is why whenever that question comes up of where do I, you know, you just kind of go like, well, in most cases you start at the beginning. Uh, we got one coming in from, uh, Svincter Spelunker says, Dear ultimately, Hey man, Dear ultimately at the end of the day, Willie, and formally egregious, do you know what we should do? Pat, Pat was recently talking about some Japanese assholes, comedians or something, and it reminded me of a story of Yuri Lowenthal on the Achievement Hunter podcast.
Starting point is 05:21:55 So Yuri was in charge of taking photos and a few Japanese comedians with a chimpanzee, for something, but you see the chimp was wearing a karate key, and the comedians had a brilliant idea of trying to get the karate chimp to be more lively by slamming the ground, beating their chest and yelling. It didn't like that. While the comedians were trying to draw aggro, the chimp decided to take care of ads first by grabbing some spare camera equipment, checking it all around the room, and a camera hit Yuri, knocked him out cold.
Starting point is 05:22:22 Needless to say, he was fine later as he's still alive. I don't really have a question. Just wanted to share that, keep on keeping on. Yeah, I was talking about Gaki no Sakai in downtown, and that sounds like Gaki no Sakai in downtown. That sounds like the kind of stupid shit they would actually get into. Anytime you see the new karate. Did you see the clip?
Starting point is 05:22:44 It lasted like one second in the first episode in the intro montage of Tiger King, where they show you him driving with a fucking convertible and a lion in the front seat on a highway, and you're just like, okay, so by God's grace, the lion didn't jump out and murder somebody. Got it. Yes, that's right. They're just big cats, woolly. Yeah, every time I see those like, here's a cute little family hanging out with a monkey,
Starting point is 05:23:16 and like dressing it up and like feeding it, and like, oh, now the monkey got high. And like, ah, every time you see that, you just think of the lady with no face. Yeah. Just think of that lady and go, cool. And you think about how happy your life was before you learned of the term de-gloved. Oh my God. Yeah, see how you had forgotten. You had forgotten.
Starting point is 05:23:40 Do I mean, it was enough when I heard about the fucking like the fact that they aim, they aim for the balls. Oh, I didn't know that one. That one's new to me. Either chimps or I forget, which I think it's chimps will aim for your balls and dick to specifically castrate you. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's not, well, maybe there's a different animal that has like camels.
Starting point is 05:24:12 Camels have teeth specifically for ripping nuts. Okay. Okay. They have like hook, nut, ripper balls. I mean, teeth. Ball, fuck. But I mean, are you really going to let it get all the way down there? Hopefully not.
Starting point is 05:24:29 Okay. Well, anyway, lady lost her face had to get a fucking transplant. Why you fucking around with a monkey in your house? All right. So Rudy says I had a thought the other day about why sports haven't changed in forever. Even Super Nintendo and possibly even before that football games are the same thing. We have now except for graphics and subsystems. But what if specifically football games were played in the first person
Starting point is 05:24:52 and had classes like defensive back or running back? Use the successful nature of team-based shooters like Overwatch to jazz up football. We have all the tech to do 30 player online games. I think it'd be a cool idea to make football games better. What are your thoughts? I totally think that would be fascinating. We've done this many times. We've talked about how a wrestling game should not be about wrestling,
Starting point is 05:25:10 but should be about how to sell and how to get over with the crowd. Sports games that are not actually about playing sports as the as the gameplay mechanic are the best untapped idea ever. And 100 percent, there needs to be more sports games that actually are different genres of games. It's sad that they don't exist. I wish I could like make an iShield 21 game where you're kind of RPGing it, you know, or you're doing something that's not just the action of playing the sport. It'd be so interesting.
Starting point is 05:25:42 It'd be super fun. Yeah, the sports games, most of them act as if you are controlling the action as a spectator. But it's like driving games are like one of the only ones that actually do what we're talking about. That it's like you're supposed to feel like the driver. Shout out to the championship manager as fucking awful and boring as it was and as many years of my life as I lost to having to test it. Yeah, British people are crazy.
Starting point is 05:26:08 It exists as a sports game alternative viewpoint game, you know, a alternative viewpoint sports game that is like you can play or you can manage the team. So yeah, they do do it. They do do it. And lastly, one coming in from Texas pun here saying that howdy chooey and fuckface. I was able to ask KG Unifuna a question at the panel a while back. I was directly responsible for making them start working on Red Ash because of it, making them divert time from making Mighty Never 9.
Starting point is 05:26:40 It was because of my selfish desire for more Mega Man legends. I'm so sorry, everyone. I regret everything. Here's video proof. Oh my God. And then he sends a video and it is a video of him at a convention asking when, if we would ever see Beck and Call in a Mega Man Legends style game. And then the translator says it and then Inifuna goes, oh, well, you know,
Starting point is 05:27:09 I would love to see them possibly return in other ways. And then he does a, he asks the audience, if I were to create a Kickstarter for a Mega Man Legends style game with Beck and Call, would you back it? And the room erupts in applause. So, you know, he's not coming out of nowhere with this email. Also, side note from the last podcast, the longest run numbing numbered series, Beatmania 2DX, 2 Deluxe is currently on its 27th version, 2DX 27. Oh yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 05:27:44 I actually played that. I played some Beatmania this week and had a good time with it on my fucking arcade, as well as a cool ass like SNK game where you fucking play as a knight from the camera behind it. It's pretty cool. Anyway, this guy is apparently responsible for Red Ash and he's apologizing for it. God damn it. What decisions actions came from selfish reasons? Do you look back on and regret?
Starting point is 05:28:10 Nothing I care to mention here. Fair enough. You know what? No, I have one. I wish I had more thoroughly tested my headphones and a microphone set up that time that I was on German spies, Pillars of Eternity stream, so that I didn't actually take a microphone into the bathroom with me and then went pee on stream. You peed on stream? Yep, on German spy stream specifically.
Starting point is 05:28:43 God damn. I was like, how could you guys hear me pee and plague and German spy were like, it was like we were in there with you. And I realized I was using the microphone on my fucking headphones instead of the one on the fucking desk in front of the TV. And I was like, oh my god. Hot mic, hot piss, hot piss for a hot mic. That's, that's correct.
Starting point is 05:29:09 The whole thing was very upsetting. I was extraordinarily embarrassed. It would. Um, I guess I got an answer for that, but it's kind of a, it's kind of just a bummer and real. You know, what do you regret? Well, I probably, I regret not spending more time with my sister before I lost her. And that's. Oh, that is, that is fairly depressing.
Starting point is 05:29:33 That's, that's the real answer. That's the number one. Doesn't get much more higher priority to me than that. I wish I had spent less time with my brother before he eventually dies. Like just go back in time and get that to an absolute minimum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 05:29:58 Well, um, what are you going to do? Right. Similar, similar. I can, I can, you know what, I can make sure that I make my use of my time wisely and try and drive that fraction down as close to zero over time. You can. In fact, you could actively attempt to sabotage his quarantine efforts if you really wanted to. How would I do that?
Starting point is 05:30:28 Wouldn't I have to know where he lives to do that? Yes. And then start slowly removing the walls. I don't think anybody ever has had to help my brother make a bad decision. I'm not too worried about it. All right. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there.
Starting point is 05:30:51 I think that's more than enough podcasts for everybody. You fucking glutton. Eat up piggies. You're the one shoveling it out to them. Oink, fucking oink. Clear the trough. You have a good week, everybody. Goodbye.
Starting point is 05:32:40 Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life.
Starting point is 05:34:06 Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Fight for your life. Christ will come. Even in the sky. Christ will come. Even in the sky.
Starting point is 05:34:47 Christ will come. Even in the sky. Christ will come. Even in the sky. Christ will come. Even in the sky. Christ will come.

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