Castle Super Beast - CSB 133: Get Into Kiting Games

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The End Hey. Hey, good afternoon. Welcome back, Willie. Welcome back to a country that gave you its own special gift as you returned from your trip abroad. More photos of the Prime Minister in Blackface. Yeah, even more. Yeah, of course they were saving that for the, you know, an election. That's that's not a surprise the day of and they'll have more for the next election too. Fuck all that noise. I got into kites. You got into kites. I got into kites. Oh, is that why people were posting like the Kite man meme about you get into kiting games? It's going down. It's real. It's serious. I am very much into kiting as a thing, as a hobby, as an activity, as a way of life.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Kites. You know, I don't mean to judge. Judge away. And I'm, I'm certainly not judging kiting, because flying a kite seems fun. I don't know much about it, but I was a child once. I remember flying a kite, but I would think that in terms of things to discuss that we haven't seen each other and haven't done a podcast over the past three weeks, that the first thing that you would have mentioned was that you got married and not that you've decided to fly kites. I say as he comes back on camera with a bunch of kites. So this one's a whale, and it's a big motherfucker. It's a huge sized kite. I got to figure out what the best wind conditions are to get this bitch off the ground, but it's a fucking, it's a big one. It's fun. What I flew at the wedding was just a normal and
Starting point is 00:02:35 we'll get into that in a second. But this right here is, is, is that's a, I'm going to graduate to that. All right. Over here, we've got a power kite that you use two hands to control separate different grips and you use your, your angling. You really get your heels in the dirt and you can get some tricks going with it. Pretty dope. And then we've got these trainer kites over here, which are the big boys. These are sport kites and they come with a control bar. So you really get some traction going on with these and they can pick you up and send you flying if you're not real careful. I'm into kites, bro. I'm into kites. Well, you, you, you are a tall, like well built dude. You are not going to sit there and tell me that a wind powered piece of fabric is going to
Starting point is 00:03:28 pick you up off the ground and fly you away if you are not giving it its due diligence. It will not fly me away, but it will launch me off of the nearest death drop if I'm not careful and doing it in an irresponsible location. Now here's the thing. Kiting kites next to cliffs. Yeah. Well, that's your, that's already your fault. And, and you know, I mean, you know, we in the kiting community have a way of, uh, you know, encouraging you that you to scope out the right type of elevation. You want flat ground. You want to be on the, you know, uh, the before side of the wind hitting a tree if possible. You want to be anyways, um, kiting is a lot of fun. It turns out. What was the, the kiting impetus? Well, in order to tell that, I suppose then we get into the fact
Starting point is 00:04:27 that yeah, I got married and, uh, thank you. And that's the sound my hand makes when it hits a table now. Hey, you want to hear something hilarious? I broke my ring. What? Like you're wearing yours now. I literally almost like snapped mine in half yesterday. I was coming out of the bathroom and I closed the door on my hand so hard that I bent it into like a fucking sharp oval. And I needed pages help to get it off my hand. I assume it was not made of candy and cereal plastics. No, it's made out of gold, which is soft. The softest metal. Well, don't do that. Be careful and be aware. I gotta get my ring repaired. So be careful when you're dealing with sliding doors. Be careful of your fancy, like important ring. You can hurt it. Yeah, there's, um, I've never,
Starting point is 00:05:36 I've never really kept finger rings on my finger for an extended period of time. So there's definitely a period of getting used to this feeling that I have to get adjusted, you know, to I have to, it's, yeah, it's, uh, I've now feel completely naked. Interesting. On interesting. I'm, I'm like legitimately consistently uncomfortable. I had a hard time falling asleep last night because I always do this thing where I press my middle finger and my pinky against my ring finger and go, yep, still on. And I would do that. And it's not there. And my brain would go, Oh shit, you lost it. So that's important. Don't lose that. So if, if you already are there, that means you're getting used to it like before the day,
Starting point is 00:06:17 I like waited till the day of, and that means like, okay, so, uh, all the getting used to it is as of, you know, that, that night. And, uh, first night sleeping with it. Uh, I think, well, I, I don't think I subconsciously, I think it slipped off. I think it slipped off the first night I slept with it. And it, and I don't, I don't think I was just like pulling and playing to be like, ah, what's on my finger in my sleep? But, um, it's not impossible that that occurred. That's your subconscious. Just, just immediately going like, Oh no, I got to get it. Oh no, I'm trapped. But, uh, every, every night since then it's been fine. So that's, that's a thing. Um, well, your hands, I mean, when I got fitted for mine, I was like, it's a little tight. And
Starting point is 00:07:13 they're like, no, it's supposed to be a little tight. Your more hand will deal with it. And now I have like a, I haven't worn it in about 24 hours, I guess. And it's like, I have like a market indentation that's not like puffing back up. Now I went, so I went one size up from the, it's supposed to be this tight size because I would, I would just, I would hate it at that. It would just be really, you know, so I just, I'm like, I'd go for the comfort thing. And yeah. And it's fine. Cause you know, my big fat hands are not going to have it slide off too much, uh, uh, too easily. Cause once it goes up to the bottom knuckle, it's kind of stuck. Um, but yeah. So the, uh, the, the impetus for, uh, what I have discussed with, with this whole
Starting point is 00:08:00 kiting thing is that the kites. Yes. Yeah. So, um, you know, my, my wedding day was planned to, uh, more or less be just a fun, uh, simple act, uh, day of me and punch wife as, as we've upgraded it to, uh, just hanging out and, uh, just us and, you know, I was thinking you, you, you've embarked on like a bizarre nicknaming convention because it's punch mom and is, will be upgraded to punch wife and then possibly in the future back re upgraded back to punch mom. Yeah. Now the important thing is that you don't say the, you don't say it slowly. You don't say it with any spaces or hyphens or commas. You have to say it all together. It's punch wife. You can't, you can't leave any gaps there.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Think about wife. Yeah. Um, why fight back? And yeah, some, some, you know, we had a good time, um, and we did some things, but, um, what's relevant here is that one of the activities, uh, was the flying of a kite. And I thought that would be a fun little whimsical thing to do. Let's fly a kite together. Like, is that like, no, it's just your love is soaring into the sky or something. But not really the, the kite itself was a pizza. There's nothing symbolic about that. It's just a pizza. What a slice of pizza. Like the design. Okay. All right. Cause, cause I saw the photo and then
Starting point is 00:09:41 my brain, I'm like, is, are you telling me that you put string into a pizza box and just threw it into the air that was windy? The design of the kite was a slice of pizza and we, we flew that pizza. Okay. That may, all right. And that's it. And it was really cool. Um, a lot of fun was had and we, and we were basically able to get a nice, um, draft coming up from the Chateau Frontenac, big old castle, uh, in Quebec city. We got a castle in this province. It's nice. Really pretty. Um, and, uh, yeah, you know, so the, uh, uh, the wind was doing good. And then, um, we had some photos taken and even a little, a little drone was, you know, dispatched to get some really cool shots and it was a good time. Um,
Starting point is 00:10:38 that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. That, that makes more sense. Now immediately after flying a little bit of it, I was like, Oh, that's cool. And then on the last one we got some real big air and I just kind of, something just kind of unlocked. And I went, Oh, this is awesome. This is really, really cool. And, and I was like, Hey, like, if we get a chance before we, we had out here, like we should go back and do some more, you know, and, um, as we don't know what the weather is going to be like is that on the most romantic, important day of your life, barring possibly the birth of a future child, you're standing there with your brand new wife who's looking at you with love in her eyes and the sparkle. And she's like,
Starting point is 00:11:38 woolly, I love you forever. And you're like, yeah, but kites though. Well, technically it was beforehand since the actual ceremony was later that night, but it's, but in the, in the buildup, a new hobby was unlocked and it was really, I didn't know it was going to be that cool. I had no idea what to expect. I had no idea. Nobody told me how fucking cool kites were. Have you ever flown a kite in your life? I have. When I was really young in Grenada, they had these dudes that would fly the kites down by the beach and over by like this open field and they would do some cool shit, but I just never really thought about it too hard until now, you know. So wait, the kite flying was before the ceremony. Yeah. So during the ceremony, you're like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:12:27 yeah, whatever. Can we get back to flying some goddamn kites? No, that was the next day. So, you know, and, and, and I did, I did look into something a couple years prior and was just, you know, I kind of, there was a character design prompt that I was, I was looking into kiting for. And anyway, long story short. So I was like, okay, so let's see if we can get back out there, you know, before we got to, we got to leave this area. And, you know, it's hard to keep fully accurate forecast coming in because the wind changes and the wind situation is very different. So then I had to go looking up, you know, the wind. And it turns out that there's wind apps that are out there that can tell you exactly where the wind is blowing, what angles,
Starting point is 00:13:19 what speed, where the gusts, where the updrafts, all that sophisticated info. Furthermore, uh, there's little, uh, wind communities in each area where you can be like, hey, I'm in Quebec city. How's the wind guys? And people are like, oh, it's looking pretty all right today. I might do some kite surfing. And someone else is like, oh, it might be a little too windy for my drone. But anyway, and you have a little wind crew for each area that's like talking about how the wind is each day. So that's being, that's happening, right? And I'm like, okay. And then you can even, if the wind is like, you don't know what's going on or how strong it is and you want to know, you can turn on a little recorder and hold your, your phone up to the wind and the sound
Starting point is 00:14:05 it makes. It can tell how fast it's blowing and tell you the wind speed. You know, you know, when you can like, you feel like you're seeing the start of something and part of you can like flash forward to what you believe to be the logical end result of this. I can see all the dots between here and you being lost at sea. Because I can see it kites to bigger kites to wakeboarding to more wakeboarding to, well, I need a boat my own to, well, maybe I should get a sailboat to, hey, you know, a sailboat's just a big kite to woolly's gone. He washed out into the ocean. Now I can, I can assure you it is not going towards kite surfing because I'm not that I'm not fit for that. I don't have that. And that's not the part. The surfing part is not what's
Starting point is 00:15:11 got me enthralled. So you want to just skip straight to a sailboat and try and circumnavigate the globe in 80 days. I'm, I don't, it's not the movement. I'm not interested in the movement. I like feet on the ground, kite in the air, string doing it. That's the thing. And it's super rad. You can do so much. You know, so immediately, of course, I found out about the Montreal kiting community. Um, you know, a bunch of older gentlemen, the, I think the bunch of dudes, they look like they're probably like in their fifties or so they meet up on a regular basis and it seems based on their channel, like they go out and, you know, they get some good days, they get some good kiting days. And, um, from what I can tell, uh, there's a, you know, I saw like the one dude, he's got this
Starting point is 00:16:04 garage full of them. He's got like the HQ kind of thing. And here's the thing. There's a lot of countries where you have what they call fighter kiting. All right. Now get the fuck in on this fighter kites. Okay. It's a kite and you're flying it, but the front has blades and your goal is to aim and cut the string of the opponent's skype and fucking take that win. Doesn't that mean their kite will just fly away with a knife on the front? No, no, no, it'll fall down. Fighter kites. This, this feels like lawn darts with more steps. No, no, no, no, no, no, no fighter kites man. Okay. So that's a thing and that happens in a lot of places. A lot of different
Starting point is 00:16:56 countries have their own names for it. Um, pretty big. Um, I know they've got, I saw that they had some in Cambodia and Vietnam. They do it. Indonesia has got it going on. Afghanistan does it a little bit, but some places they kind of were like, Hey, you can stop doing it in the city. Obviously that's a bad idea. So you got to make sure you go out to some open field, make sure you got some open space. Don't do, don't do it in traffic. Don't be stupid. A lot of, a lot of safety to keep in mind, but once you get that in place, you know, you can go that direction with it. I'm not even ready for that level. I'm just saying fighter kites is a thing that it's just one branch we can head towards. But in the meantime, I'm just like, Hey,
Starting point is 00:17:35 I got what I got. And it's just wind and the thing and just learning how to control it. I have to say, Willie, your transition into boomer dad was a lot faster in this process than I expected. It's like as if the instant the metal touched your body, you started to transmogrify into a different version of yourself. If that's what it means to be a boomer dad, is to be into rad activities, then fucking boom me up because I'm going to be out there on that wind. And you know, she already knows about it. She saw it happen. There's, there's, there's literally how there's photo was the new wife feel of kites. Yeah, she knows. She thinks it's, she thinks it's cute. You know, that's the answer. You know, that's the answer. It's, look,
Starting point is 00:18:35 it, there's, it's, you know, I've been told that it's, it's pretty wholesome to get into. There's a lot of things you can get into. That's a pretty random wholesome one. And I'll take that. That's fine. You know, I just see in the back of her mind like, Oh, we're dealing. We're doing this shit now. We're doing kites. Okay. I mean, there's video and photo evidence of the moment it unlocks inside me. And I'm looking at it goes from like, Hey, yeah, this is pretty cool to like flat jack captain. So, so what? So that then led to, you know, because there, because there was, there was the trip back, of course, from the castle and then taking off for the Iceland. That was for the, for the honeymoon. And so in between, there was a quick draw, a quick stop back home in
Starting point is 00:19:33 Montreal. We didn't, I didn't go straight, you know, there. You went to QC and then you came back here because yeah, okay, that makes luggage wise that would have been nutty. You know what I mean? I'm, you know, yeah. So I'm not going to fly out with a wedding dress and then a suit. You know what I mean? And, but I, on the way back, like I had ordered these kites to try and get them to the house in time so that I can grab them because where the fuck is windier than one of the places that's got uninterrupted winds from the fucking North Pole. So I tried to get the order in, you know, and unfortunately the deliveries were made while I was at the airport. So I didn't get them in time. Bummer, huge honeymoon ruined. No, because I still had my pizza kite and my other
Starting point is 00:20:31 pizza kite. So the, the kite that we already had was still there and that came with and you bet your ass. I fucking got some good kiting done because Iceland's got some nice, uh, what they call fossils. They're waterfalls and the wind blows and then you can get some fucking just perfect, perfect wind, you know? Um, it was a good time. We got some, I got some tricks. I learned how to like control it a little bit more consistently and like, you know, punch moms holding the, um, holding the camera, punch wife is holding the camera out and I was getting some flybys, some swoops, you know, getting low, getting high. Yeah. Yeah, man. Good shit. So how's Reykjavik? Yeah, Reykjavik is cool. Did you see the city or just preoccupied with the sky?
Starting point is 00:21:31 Well, I was, I was, we were in Reykjavik and when I got there, I was like, you know, while I'm here, let's just scope out the situation. And it turns out there's not much of a kiting community in, in, in Reykjavik. You know, Iceland has a, got a population of 340,000 or so, not very much. So it makes sense, but there's one guy and he has a website and on his website, it's like, hey, I've got some kites. I do a little bit of a kite boarding. Um, I don't know, call me. And I was like, okay. So I just called some guy and he was like, Hey, Oh, are you an American? You know, and I was like, no, no, no, I'm from Canada, but I'm in Reykjavik. I'm here for a couple of days. I'm about a ton and he's like, Oh, you're into kites. And I was like, yeah. And then we had a little
Starting point is 00:22:17 conversation about it, you know, and his, his basis was more so kite boarding, but he was like, yeah, you know, I got a few in the garage over here. You know, he's like, he basically explained, he's like, there's like me and like two other people and that's it. You know, but I got in touch with the, with the Icelandic kiting community. I got to see what they were about for a little bit. You know, I got a little description. Um, yeah, you know, Hey, listen, this is the type of thing where what I like to do when I go places is get in touch with the fighting game community and see if I can go hang out at a local, but that's not the kind of thing. We don't need them anymore. That's not the kind of thing that's happening. That's heavy. So, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:57 that's what we found out. And the dude, he, you like, you, okay. So she was sitting next to me. And the volume of the excitement of the guy for someone to just call it and be like, Hey, so what's up with kites though? And he was so happy to talk about them. And so I'm, if you thought I was having a blast, you should hear that guy unironically recreated on your honeymoon, that webcomic about, do you want a good time call this number in a bathroom stall and it meets up with a guy and they go paragliding. Yeah, you know, and I mean, the guy had some good tips, you know, especially like if you do go surfing, you want to, you want to, you don't want to teach yourself. He gave some, he does
Starting point is 00:23:55 teach lessons and he does, you know, he did give some heads up, but so that was there, you know. Um, but besides that, there was, there was the actual nation of Iceland, which uh, small, like you mentioned 300k, right? Yeah, really small. Reykjavik is really the only major city. There's a couple of others that are like, um, around the edges that are really, you know, like really tiny populations, but you can go out there. Um, I guess notable things are like, of course, just gorgeous the whole way through. Um, we decided to, uh, drive around, you know, so we basically rented a car. Could you not just drive around like the whole country in like a day? Well, that's the plan, right? It was the plan was to like, instead of, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:46 doing a sort of like, I don't know, we, um, bus tourism adventure or anything, we're just going to rent like a car and do our own little road trip. And we did. It was great. We saw pretty much, we saw all of it. We saw the whole thing. Um, fortunately the whole weird concept, I went to the country and I saw the whole, the whole thing, the whole thing. It's what, it's what I did with New Zealand, you know, and it was super worth it to do it that way. Like for, for us, like that type of trip is now just so much more enjoyable. Um, cause it's a completely different pace and style from like the Japan trips, for example, right? Landing in Japan, having a bunch of subway stops that you know, you, what you want to go to, you know, what's going to be there where you want to,
Starting point is 00:25:34 you know, walk around and stuff. And you're basically, you're taking a home base and then you're just, you know, taking the train out, public transport out from that spot to a bunch of busy areas is, is a very different vibe from no, it's just us two in a car and we're driving, you know, and hey, look, the fucking northern lights are popping off right there. Aurora Borealis, cause that's one of the places you can see it. You know, I didn't realize they were that far north. Incredible. Um, got super lucky now. Excuse me. Got super lucky. Um, and, uh, but yeah, so, but I'll say this. So we started off, um, kind of just planning a trip around, uh, what's called the ring road. And, uh, that is the road that is paved to that goes along the, the whole
Starting point is 00:26:27 edge of the island. And then the middle of the island, you can access because there's things called F roads, but they're kind of like, why the fuck would you want to go there? And more like, why the F roads? Yeah. And the, and like, when you go look at like what the F roads are, it's like, one, you have to have a car that's legally approved to drive on an F road because it's not really a road as much as it is just an open field. And then you get to a river and you have to drive through the river. And then after that, there's canyon and you have to not fall off the canyon. And that's the middle of the, and it's just, it's fuck, it's insane. And that's why everyone lives in Reykjavik. So you live on the edge on the, on the, on the contour and you don't go to the middle
Starting point is 00:27:13 and that's all fine. Um, lots of beautiful sights and sounds just doing that anyway. Um, you know, the mountains are glorious fisters and it fucking rains all the time, but when it doesn't, it's, it's, it's, it's also beautiful sheep everywhere. There's night sheep. Um, the, the, the, one of the first things we did was we landed and went and checked out this area called the blue lagoon, which is an alien ass landscape because the entire horizon is lava rocks dried over with moss on top and then no trees, no brush, no other vegetation, just rocks and moss. And you're like, I'm on Namek. I'm looking at fucking Namek. You know, um, we go around, you know, it looks, it looks like death stranding. Yes. In fact, you know, the river, you know, the
Starting point is 00:28:07 suspiciously like death stranding, you know, the, the Hartman Lake, the Hart Lake, the crater. Yeah, I went there. Oh yeah. And was like, there, that's it. That's the crater. There's the lake. I'm standing on it. Um, absolutely saw that. Um, these all sound like good places to fly a kite. Oh yeah. It was a little, it was kind of raining at that time, but you want to get flat ground, not heights. You're not not heights. You want flat ground, you know, um, I hiked up a dormant volcano. Um, found out that you live on a dormant volcano. Well, I looked that up and not exactly. Mont Royal is not exactly confirmed to be a dormant volcano. There has been lava. Um, that was beneath it like years and years ago, but there's never been any proof of any eruption here.
Starting point is 00:29:05 So it doesn't exactly count. There are the next one will be really big. There are like four or five confirmed possible volcanoes in Canada and they're not here, you know, uh, looking, like finding this out was a part of this trip. Uh, so, uh, yeah, I did that and then that was just a massive insane thing to just look into the basin of. Um, I was also, I discovered I'm, I'm a very grouchy uphill hiker. Um, and I'm not a fan of, yeah, I'm not a fan of not a big hiking guy, I think. So you know what's really weird is that, um, you, you, people who can see me or know what I look like, I'm a tiny fat bitch. This is true. Uh, but I really like hiking up. Like, I remember back when I was on, uh, Inari mountain in Kyoto, like I looked like I was gonna die and
Starting point is 00:30:00 Paige kept telling me to go back down to the bottom of the mountain and I was like, I gotta get to the top of the mountain. I gotta see what's up there. And I did it. And then I felt like shit. Yeah. Yeah. I did it. Yeah. No, I did do all the hiking that was, uh, attempted, uh, which I was hoping it would be none, but we did do some, um, more like one and then another. But I, I, yeah, I'm not, uh, it's just not my thing, especially not my thing when I'm the absolute least in shape I have ever been in my entire life coming out of the couch of pandemic, right? Listen, the pandemic couch is comfy and soft. Yeah. So that's the, that's a thing. Um, you know, of course too, you know, that like it goes without saying, but the supreme weirdness and shock of just outside
Starting point is 00:30:58 world in itself, like being immersed in it. So like from being ripped out of, you know, uh, uh, our, yeah, my house and thrown into like outside world is just like, whoa, this is all nuts and weird situation where like you like, this is, this is more of a pandemic question, I guess. How often do you go outside of day today? No, in general, in general, not often. And even with or without, like a lot of days go by without any outside. Okay. Cause like I had that hit me real bad right before we got, uh, the pooch. Yeah. Right. And it was one of the reasons we got the pooch, which was, uh, we were realizing that we were like spending like 20 days without opening the door, you know, and we're like, oh, we're getting
Starting point is 00:31:57 weird and this is not healthy and we will never be able to readjust. And so now I walk the dog twice a day. And so like, it's like, oh, breath of fresh air. But if you went from like mostly isolated to like the vast expanses of a foreign landscape, crazy. Yeah. That's probably pretty extreme. Crazy. Um, and, but you know, like, and it was, it was a re-immersion into society of sorts and then some, um, and like, yeah, and it was, it was something that, you know, you're kind of just, you're, you're aware of it the whole time. And, and, and, you know, um, it also is affecting like how we plant things and, you know, we, we had our days of like, okay, well, um, this day, like, you know, fuck, I want to see this thing. We got to go do a PCR test, you know, and
Starting point is 00:32:47 did a couple of those and whatever. But, um, yeah, it was still Corona free. Absolutely. Fantastic. Yep. Took, uh, four, five, four or five tests over the course of this entire time. So, um, yeah. Um, anyway, that, uh, was cool. I mentioned nightsheep because that's a thing. There are sheep. There are many sheep. That quirked my eyes. There are Icelandic sheep. There are Icelandic horses. They're unique. They're a special breed that has been unique to Iceland. There are a pride of Iceland, even though they're kind of tiny and they walk funny because they're too, instead of doing like front hooves, back hooves, they, uh, in rhythm, they have side hooves, side hooves in rhythm. So they've got a really weird kind of jaunt.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Yeah. A little trot, a little trot. Um, you, you describe them as night sheep. Are these sheep that can only be seen at night? The, so the dead of night in Reykjavik is just you're in the city. The dead of night, when you're out near, um, Miatvin or Aqweri or, uh, a number of unpronounceable places that we just decided to give our own names to. I'm just going to go with Borkyland. Yeah. Like there's like a 13 or 14 letter name for this thing that we just called it snail fest because the words snail and FES were in it. So snail fest peninsula. Good enough. Um, so when you're out there and it's nighttime, um, we, for example, went out and we did a, um, there was a hot spring, you know, cause they've got a bunch of these like natural hot spring things where they
Starting point is 00:34:37 take the heated water from the earth and they put it into a pool and you go sit there and yeah, yeah, you have a good time. And then you come in back from that and it's like there is nothing to light your way on the road except for the reflective posts that are on the side of the highway and the night stars and occasionally a night sheep if you're unlucky. And that's a sheep that has decided that this is the perfect time to walk into the road. Oh, just a nice heavy stupid animal because it's one of those islands where you're not, you're not seeing deer crossing the road. You're not seeing, there's no random predators in life. It's another one of those places where it's like, yeah, the, the life here is the shit that we brought, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:26 there's basically nothing before we got here. There was, it was very, very like, you know, yeah. So it's, it's whatever you see is what they brought there pretty much. Um, and there's a lot of different kinds of things admittedly, but running across the roads at a random point in time, you're going to, it's going to be the night sheep, you know, um, so you got that, um, um, you got, uh, just a lot of really quaint and weird, like little village that is basically like, oh, it looks like we pull off to like an abandoned village off the side of the highway at one point, just looking for like a bathroom and a coffee. And it's this entire area where there's only one lady and she's working at like what, what is usually, I guess, like a guest house and no one
Starting point is 00:36:15 else is around in this entire village. And she's like, yeah, things shut down during the winter, because that season is just, there's no one that's going to be here. So the people are all gone for months and months until they come back next summer. And it's like, oh yeah, right. This is one of those places where they literally will have 24 hours of daylight for a period of the summer. You know, so weird. So you, you, yeah, you can actually show up in July and have a day of like endless day, you know, um, really, really, really, really nuts, but, but cool. Um, saw it all, saw pretty much all of it. You know, we really did get a chance. There's a couple of places we didn't go to. We didn't get to check out the West fjords or anything, but got to see
Starting point is 00:37:01 the side of a glacier, took a, um, a boat out to the wall and looked at this giant chunk of ice that is basically a thousand years of history you're staring at, because it's got the like layers of ice. And then every time there's a black line going across it, it's where a volcano erupted and then time continued, you know, and then another volcano erupted and then time continued. And it's a very cool thing, you know, and as long as you just kind of mentally ignore the details, such as, well, the only reason we're able to, uh, boat out to this glacier and look at it is because the water, the body of water we're on exists because of global warming and oh, cool. And it wouldn't have been here otherwise. And, uh, every day, this entire thing slides forward by 30
Starting point is 00:37:55 centimeters. Oh, cool. But annually, look, it's the helping out the tourism, but annually it recedes by hundreds of meters because the whole thing is melting simultaneously and sliding forward. And, um, the ice formations that we had to drive around on the boat, uh, change every few months. So three, four months, it's got completely different lake with huge, um, icicles and, uh, and icicles, um, uh, iceberg sticking out of it and shit. So yeah, just, you know, don't think too hard about that and enjoy. Right. See, they're trying to see, they're telling you that because they don't want you to look around and look too closely and see the bits and pieces of the ice wall. Is that where we were? That would explain it. I mean, you were as close as either of us have ever
Starting point is 00:38:48 been. Um, right across from that, you have the black sand beach, which I have been a beach knob for years. Whenever someone's like, Hey, we got a beach here in Canada. I'm like, Oh, do you? Is it mud next to mud? Canadian beaches are, uh, and make sure the best one you're going to get is like a decent lake beach at best. Enjoy stepping on a slimy thing that's moving and opening your eyes underwater to see what it is and realizing all you can see is the brown mud because it's mud and mud water. Anyway, um, so no, it's a little bit of a, of a, of a thing, but you know, with, with Caribbean beaches in my brain, uh, we went to the ice beaches here and they are a completely different thing and they're just metal as fuck because they're black sand and the water is,
Starting point is 00:39:42 is basically clear and thus black and it washes ice up onto the shore regularly. So it's not good for swimming. No, it's probably death for that, but some dudes were kayaking. That seems ballsy. It's pretty fucking metal. It's pretty cool. Um, that was, that was an interesting phenomenon, uh, of the different things they had going on. And, you know, and it's the kind of island where basically, you know, on the last night out, just driving to the airport, um, it's like, what's that light? Oh, oh, well, before that, um, yeah, we, we caught the northern lights once really lucky. Um, we thought, so basically we saw them or we, we saw what would look like them and we're like, oh my God, this big red hue in the sky is that the aurora borealis
Starting point is 00:40:35 and then the guy working at the hotel was like, nah, that's just the next town over idiots. And we're like, oh, okay. Damn. But then, but then when we went out to the mountainside village, we saw a streak of light across the sky that moved really weirdly quickly. And we were like, that has to, no, there's no way that's not it. So then we said, fuck it and looked at the map and found a nearby golf course. Um, and then just drove to like the parking lot or is really, really dark and we're able to just kind of, you know, lean on the car, look up and, you know, get some nice like actual northern lights, uh, experience. Um, and the first thing I'll say is the pictures don't convey how fast it moves. It's constantly in flux. It looks like a screen
Starting point is 00:41:31 magnetosphere. It looks like, um, it looks like a window screensaver in terms of how quickly the shapes are moving every 30 seconds. It's, it's taking on a different shape. It's very, very cool. The most mundane way I have ever heard anyone refer to one of the natural wonders of the world. Yes, but that might be the most fucking go chas lame way to refer to this incredible fucking natural phenomenon and yet window screens and yet, you know, the exact speed I'm describing. No, I mean, I'm also looking at it in a video right now. It's really quick. Um, very cool. And of course, while we're up there, you know, being these foreigners in a, in a, in a, an area that's like, you know, private, um, some car comes driving up and does a quick fucking 360.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And then I see the flash of a camera and then it drives off into the distance and I'm like, uh, huh. Okay. I guess that's our sign. And then we get in and start heading out and then another car starts coming back our way. And it's like, all right, all right. Yes. The random weirdos. We're just here to look at the Northern lights, but you're like, why are you near our golf course? What are you doing? You know, so we got out of there, but it was worth it. It was great. You know, if they ever gave you any shit, you could make fun of them for their incest app. What? Oh, you don't know about this. There's an app in Iceland about preventing incest.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Why? Because, because in Iceland, uh, it's, it's an island nation that has only about a population of about 300,000, 340,000 you said, but the last names are not matriarchal or patriarchal. It's the name of your dad, son or daughter or whatever. So you would never know if somebody was a cousin by their name because of the odds. Yeah. Okay. So very familiar with that. You know, well, not just because of the fucking the, the, the Madden town revisited, but also because, uh, uh, punch wife has told me about how the Acadians of East Canada, um, also have a thing where you got to be careful about that. And, uh, they, uh, someone in her, someone in her family does like the family trees of everyone that's like in the area and stuff.
Starting point is 00:44:18 And I think it says like, if you are not connected to someone else from this area within five generations, uh, the test is free and they've never given a free test. So what you're saying is the family treal tree gets a little gnarled in some places, gets a little gnarled apparently, you know, and so, but so yeah, you hear that for an island and it's not that surprising. It turns out that's a thing in many old country as it, as it, as it were, these big population spike areas, like these, these, you know, North America and India and like, you know, all these places in the world and China where you just have a ton of people all together, you know, we're, we don't, you don't ever have to think about that,
Starting point is 00:45:05 but there are small communities where you still kind of do. I mean, all jokes aside, I went international. I'm not worried about it at all. Yeah, I'm not too worried about it either. Yeah, I would think that you're, you're in the clear. But, um, so we saw that and, uh, you know, I'm sure other things might come back to me, but for now, driving out on the way last day, um, went back to Reykjavik actually had a little bit of a time to just enjoy the city and see what that was like. And that was a cool little, little, little fun thing. Um, on the last day driving out, it's like there's a weird light in the sky as we approach the airport. And as you, you, you focus in on it, it's orange and it's very bright
Starting point is 00:46:02 and it's very, very clearly an erupting volcano live. Oh, cool. Right there. And you're like, yeah, all right. Casual erupting volcano. Totally normal. Everyone seems fine. No big deal. You know, and I'm just like, yep. Okay. We seen it. We did it. You know, um, thank you earth's magma for timing this for your particular needs. Perfect. You know, and I gotta say overall, um, the, the, uh, what was really surprising is like, so that's, I'd give you that population, but the number of people at all times is quite a bit higher because do you remember a number of years ago when a volcano erupted in Iceland that shut down air travel internationally? Yeah. Cause of the dust kick up. Exactly. Right. So that thing
Starting point is 00:47:00 was huge and it was on the news in every country. And when they were showing off the, uh, you know, the dust kick up and, and the country where all, all flights were shut down, or that caused all flights to be shut down, people saw a really pretty island and went, oh shit, I should go there. And so they became a huge, uh, population, uh, a huge tourist destination because of that thing. Now I had no idea. This was just a place that was always on my bucket list of like, oh, that'd be a pretty place to go see one day, you know? Um, but it turns out that that happened in the last 10 years. So they basically now have, they went from having very little to now having like a group of about 2 million tourists for the 340,000 actual people from Iceland,
Starting point is 00:47:48 you know, on a regular basis. It's a wild change. I remember a while ago, though, like one of the largest little big deals that Iceland or Reykjavik would encounter would be like, uh, the fucking Eve online convention where like the heads of the Eve online government would come and meet with the fucking devs out there. And that was their big tourist thing. That feels pretty quaint, all things considered. Yeah. Um, you know, and I did experience, of course, some of the, the, the Bork here and there. I think the funniest one being, uh, Disney characters with the label, imagine bully land on them. And I'm like, what? And it's like, Hey, look, it's all of your favorite bully land characters like Moana and Mickey, you know, you're like, what, what is, what is
Starting point is 00:48:50 happening? And it's like, yeah, that's, that's, that's what they're called there. Leave it alone. I don't, that's, that's the way it goes. You know, um, and, uh, of course, walking through, catching a random shot, playing, uh, Icelandic reggae, that was pretty fun. Um, how does that sound? It sounds like Icelandic reggae. And when I asked this, the, the, the, the lady at the store, like, it's like, is that a big thing here? And she's like, yeah, you know, I don't know. I just saw this random CD and decided to pop it in. And she kind of looked at it. She's like, it must be very weird for you. Sorry. And I was like, no, no, no, it's actually quite hilarious. Yeah. So, uh, that was funny. Um, yeah. And then, you know, whatever, like,
Starting point is 00:49:44 that's it. That's, that's, that was, that was Iceland. Um, flew out and then, uh, two hours later, touched it down in Ireland, which was two hours away. And, uh, that was, if you thought the any percent Iceland thing was legit, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Ireland any percent, because that was three days. And I basically touched down, uh, met up with I patch and then just did the whole fucking thing in what felt like a con with how back to back to back everything was. Um, and, uh, a part of this was something I was interested in finding out because before going to Ireland and I was like, you know, I'm going to be here and if there's a chance, why not find out what we can right there? They're right there. It's two hours away.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Right. So I'm touching down, I'm touching down in Dublin, but before that I'm like, why not find out what I can about this name of mine, the Madden name, because this is where that comes from. I thought Madden was Scottish. It goes back Irish. So I have skull. So there's a Scottish branch that eventually comes out and going back on my mom's side, it goes, it goes to Scottish as well, but the actual name Madden originates from Ireland from the O Madden clan. All right. Did you find your ancestral estate? I mean, listen, dude. So from the moment from Quebec city, I was starting to do some digging and some research and fun. And I was going up as far as I could along the Jamaica route and then seeing how far it could
Starting point is 00:51:46 get back. And with a lot of digging, I actually traced it back like five or so generations. And I got to the early 1800s, which is crazy because that is very lucky that that data exists. I also had to go into places that had like basically those places that have birth and death records. And then they have these large books that are written that are more or less just kind of like, okay, so around this period of time, a lot of people that landed here with Irish names in Jamaica, where did they come from? Probably from Barbados, right? A lot of people landed at Barbados as the major hub. Okay. Why did they have these names though? Where did they come from? And you're trying to figure it out and work backwards and get to a point where you're like, either someone
Starting point is 00:52:34 with that name passed it down, or some slaves took this name upon being freed from that is the, you know, the plantation they worked on or the master that they had. So trying to figure out what I can going back that way. And I'm basically like, I'm able to see that like, okay, at some point, that's kind of where people with these Irish names come from. And there's a lot of people in Jamaica with Irish names. It's a thing. Then going back on the other side, looking at it and going, the Maddens existed from like, early 10 something. And then a major castle was built into 1300s. And then a number of castles were built. And then all the way up until right around 1650, in the Cromwellian era of Ireland, during, you know, like the fucking all the bad shit that was
Starting point is 00:53:33 happening, a fuck ton of people from Ireland got shipped off to Barbados. And the Maddens were such a pain in the ass, apparently, that they had a number of castles raised and a bunch of them shipped off to Ireland. This is what it seems like occurred. So then, so then there's this whole thing where like, okay, you're like, okay, what there's, is there any way to piece these two halves together? It doesn't really seem like it. So I'm like, all right, well, at the very least, I don't know. And I definitely don't expect, you know, that there's a blood connection, but the name connection at least comes likely from this place, you know. So yeah, I was able to find a number. There's like, there's like a good, like maybe seven or so, like Madden castles, some of
Starting point is 00:54:20 which are still operating, some of which are ruined, you know, but they're all out in yours. Yeah. Well, fuck that. Apparently, fucking none. But some of the things that you kind of find out, it's like, I always was looking up and I saw that like, oh, Madden or Madden translated to of dog. And it turns out a more accurate version of that is Son of the Hound. So that's pretty fucking cool. Oh, I'm down with that. I was able to find a crest of the, you know, the, yeah, the coat of arms. And basically, it's just a hawk fucking up another bird, you know, so we're going to be doing,
Starting point is 00:55:11 we're going to be doing that. That's a thing. And yeah, unfortunately, all these places to go visit them, it just couldn't happen because like they're booked up or rented out and private or just completely ruined. But the attempt to go out and see one, you know, it basically led me like, like at some point I was rolling under electric fences. Okay. Like, like literally trying to get and it's just like, no, it's not not going to happen. But some very nice farmer people with accents thicker than fucking anything I've ever heard were polite enough to point us in the right direction, but we didn't actually get to get feet besides. That's fascinating because like you're able to dive back and go that far back. For me, if I were to start looking backwards,
Starting point is 00:56:02 it's like, what are my ancestors? They're French trash. Yeah, it's a bunch of fucking dirty French peasants. I mean, so that's it, dude, like the night before. Yeah, that's it. There's not much to be it's not much to be expected, I suppose. And that's the way it is. But the night before, or right before I left, like, I went in, I was grabbing a drink with like Reggie and men and stuff. And this dude who was nearby, like, is like, got got a pretty thick Irish accent and kind of overhears and I'm the conversation. He's like, Oh, yeah, I'm from Dublin. You know, and I was like, Oh, I'm about to go there in about two weeks time. And he's like, you're going to Dublin. And I was like, Yeah, he's like, Ah, okay, cool. And he tells me he's
Starting point is 00:56:54 like, Oh, you got to go check this place out, go to Wayland's pub, do this, do that. And I was like, Okay, that's cool. And I told him about my name. And I was like, Yeah, I'm going to go see if I can track down the, you know, the Madden's, you know, the Madden clan. And he's like, your last name is Madden. I was like, Yeah. And he's like, Oh, oh, that's a dark past that one. That's a dark, that's a dark, dark path. You know, I was like, Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? What are you talking about, dude? And I was like, Do you know about like the Madden castles and stuff? He's like, Oh, yeah, no, I know where they are. And, you know, just a whole lot of pain back there, you know, and I was like, what? What the fuck haunted? Like, what are you saying,
Starting point is 00:57:34 dude? Right? It's dudes like, he's like, No, I'm telling you, you know, and he's like, Yeah, he's saying, he's like, Yeah, I know they got a couple of them out in Galway, you know, and you can, you know, the thing to understand is that he's like, he basically explains that like, they were like, there were a lot of places that they weren't well, one during the Cromwellian era, there were like, there were huge pains in the ass and like massively fuck the Queen and all that shit. But a lot of that was because they were just like assholes in general to a bunch of people, or at least in some areas they were. And according to this dude, which I don't know if this is verified or not. And, and, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I haven't seen it in my research, but he
Starting point is 00:58:20 was just telling me drunken guy from Dublin on the street says that, you know, this is a reliable source, reliable source. Do trust me. He says that the Madden's, or at least one of the Madden strongholds was one of the first places to implement prima nocta. Prima, have you seen Braveheart? Oh, it's been maybe 20 years. So that's the thing where anyone gets married on your land and the Lord of that land gets first crack on the marriage, on the wedding night. And then you get her after that. Yeah. Yeah. So this dude's like, yeah, you know, as one of the first places to implement prima nocta, you know, I was just like,
Starting point is 00:59:14 are you fucking kidding me, dude? And he's like, oh, it's, it's a dark, it's a dark way to go. It's a dark way to go. If you want to look that up, you know, and I was like, okay, man, all right, that's wild, you know, um, but, but that's, that's, that's what he said, you know, and, and anyway, I got there and, and I found what I can and I got as close as I could. And, uh, yeah, I got my crest. I got my, um, updated translation, Son of the Hound, which is pretty fucking sick. That's all right. I'll take that. And I, and overall, I'll say that from my name directly translates into whino. So you're definitely winning this, this Jesus. And, you know, I mean, no, seriously, blavang. Oh,
Starting point is 01:00:05 drinks wine. Yeah. Literally fucking whino. Not even like wine maker. No, no, not wine maker. Jeez. Okay. Well, there are some drugs in my family, so it tracks. How about that? Um, yeah, but that, you know, I did what I could and, uh, yeah, I got a little, I got the crest and I even saw, um, one of the places I couldn't go had a giant, beautiful stained glass window with the, um, coat of arms on it. And I'm looking at that like, how sick would that be as a tattoo? Hmm. I don't know. Where would you put it? I want to, I want, there's a bunch of places.
Starting point is 01:00:56 I want to do double sleeves. I want to do neck. I want to do, okay. Cause like you already took like the, the, the canvas, like the, the, the, the spot you have completely taken up that whole bag. Oh yeah. So you got, you got arms, chest, et cetera. I got a lot of other places to figure it out, you know, but anyway, why don't you get it tattooed on your penis? Yeah. Right on the hole. And then, um, went out to, to Galway, which is like delicate work. There you go. Went out to Galway, which is a young town. It's basically a college camp, uh, campus town, got to meet the youth and see the skateboarding Irish and the, and the, the buskers and stuff. We've met the farmers. We went to the, to the fucking, the young area.
Starting point is 01:01:39 We went to Dublin downtown, um, met a random fan, you know, took a picture. Um, yeah. The skateboarding Irish just sounds like a dude to her constantly eating shit, but it's okay. Cause they're real loose. There you go. You know, um, yeah, just, I really like, I did any percent, 100% full clear. Like I saw the whole fucking thing in three days. And by just going nonstop going all day and, and it felt like con mode. It really felt like that. Okay. I see. Yeah. Back to the hotel room, take a nap, get back out. Where are we going? What are we doing? You know? Um, and, and yeah, I got to, um, and, and so the other hiking I did was because, uh, you know, uh, I patch wolf basically like his dad took, uh, me up to like a
Starting point is 01:02:31 mountain and went for a, a quote unquote short little trek. And it was about an hour up this fucking hill. He took all of you up to a mountain, right? Yes. His dad took just you to the mountain and said, good luck. Correct. Um, I was not abandoned on a mountain. No, we all did a hike and we'd hiked up the mountain. We saw a really pretty sight. Um, we got to see what basically Ireland has this crazy thing going on where like, you know how, um, say Montreal, there's like city and then it turns into suburb and then eventually highway and then forest. Yeah. In Ireland, you just hit a wall and you go through a turnstile and the forest starts. I see. So Central Park in New York is the best, uh, you know, comparison I would say, um, like nationally huge. Yeah. And
Starting point is 01:03:18 if you, if you get high and up, up, up in like our hotel, like balcony, we're looking out and you can see like literally a line stops and the forest just begins. It's pretty nuts. You know? Um, but yeah. So, you know, hiked up to see that really cool view. Um, deer just casually chilling the fucking park. Like they're right there and hairs take over the airport at night. Fucking geese were chilling next to a train stop in front of a graffiti wall, wild, just a wild ass place. And, you know, but it was cool. Got to have, uh, of course, and I got to have some homemade pancakes after that and an equate little Irish kind of town. And, um, uh, overall, yeah, I think the only major fuckup I had was I didn't have a proper pine of Guinness. Um, and I didn't. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Well, the problem was we were so fucking go, go, go and busy that I didn't realize too that there's a thing about how having it here, it's supposedly better than anywhere else. And this is the real way to have it. So that was a proper fuckup. You went down to Ireland in parts to discover your ancient roots in the nation only to not have a pint at the pub. I tried and the night we planned to go, um, the pub was closed by the time we got there. Um, and it randomly turned out to be the pub that Conor McGregor punched a dude at for not drinking a shot of his proper 12. So then he bought the fucking bar out and banned that guy. It was an old dude too. Cause he's a fucking asshole. Anyway, that pub, uh, yeah, they were closed. So it didn't work out, unfortunately. Um,
Starting point is 01:05:15 but that's, uh, you know, that was it. Um, I did a little, uh, showed up on the, the let's fight a boss podcast, which came out, um, I think, uh, you know, a day or two ago. So that was a cool little drop. And of course I was able to also see that, you know, there was a store called Dublin kites. They, uh, unfortunately, uh, were too, too far away for us to, to, you know, fit it into the day, but it does exist. That's a shame. That's, that's rough. And the cliffs that you think of, those are windy cliffs. You could probably get some good kiting in there, but they're dangerous. So I wouldn't recommend it. Um, wait a second. There's a kiting school in Montreal. Here we go. Named kite force.
Starting point is 01:06:07 Now here's the thing though. You gotta be sure it's not kite surfing because kiting is way less totally kite surfing because kiting is way less popular than kite surfing. So a lot of places just use the word kite when they mean kite surfing. You have to, you have to do the day. You have to do your homework on that. Okay. Oh, I found the kiting. Oh man. The people on this website look like fucking dorks. Yeah. No, kite surfing is a different thing. And they just, you know, it's so much more popular than actual kiting that they just take the name. The reflex double X revolution is on sale and there's a school on how to pilot it.
Starting point is 01:06:58 I can't wait to join the kiting community and find out all the drama and who hates who and who you're not supposed to hang out with and who not to trust. Those motherfuckers, they use hollow fucking tubes for their kites. That's bullshit. That's non-regulation. Yeah. All in all, a lovely, a lovely honeymoon was had and sights and sounds were enjoyed. And what can I say, you know, fucking got hitched. Did it. Congrats on the wife. Yeah, thank you.
Starting point is 01:07:39 I mean, that's about as much as I'm willing to talk about. So I'll leave it there, you know. And thanks, thanks to everybody for the kind wishes as well. I appreciate them. Thank you. That's sweet. I don't know how to segue out of this. I ain't helping. So I, I didn't go kiting. Dude, the potential for, the potential for custom kites are a thing. There's not a whole lot of creativity out there. There's a lot of places that are just making Buzz Light Years and, and, and Monsters Inc and Elsa because they're not,
Starting point is 01:08:36 they're not, they're not thinking fucking next level. You know, there's some fun stuff we can do. Anyways, Willie, you've been gone for a few weeks and I know you've been excited to get back to it and get back to the, the hard work that is casually chatting about digital media. So I have to ask you a question. Have you heard about death loop? Oh boy. The mechanics of death loop, but how does it work? No, actually I've, I have heard about death loop and I hear that it's really, really good and that it's stellar. It's the best of the dishonored vibe. I will, I, I have like issues with those dishonored games that I'm not even
Starting point is 01:09:28 gonna bother go into, right? I don't know if it's the best one out of all their stuff, but it's definitely the easiest to get into by far. It takes a lot of the, it takes a lot of things that I would call like player annoyance and just throws them away. It's like, you can't choke people out non-lethally and you see graffiti and, and straight up messages from God everywhere that just say, kill everyone, kill them, stab them, shoot them in the face, kill every last motherfucker. So, okay, that dishonored shit gone, removed from your brain. Okay. Um, it's interesting because me, I was talking to a ton of people. I talked to Susie about this and I, Dave from New Blood on Twitter was talking about it, where we were pretty much
Starting point is 01:10:24 all of the assumption that this game was going to fucking sell like piss because it's an immersive sim which sell like shit. They always sell like shit, like pray sold like garbage. Even Deus Ex, the original, didn't sell particularly well back in the day. I think human revolution probably did the best out of all of them in that genre, but it was not like sold as an immersive sim. Um, and in fact, I think Jean just wrote an article based on us talking about this a few weeks ago that's about how Deathloop sold even though it's an immersive sim and it's not a popular genre. What would you define as an immersive sim? Uh, so immersive sim made a hell of a lot more sense back in the year 2000, back when it was literally only Deus Ex and System Shock 2.
Starting point is 01:11:11 Okay. Cause that's a word choice that is like RPG where it's like, that could be anything. So it specifically referred to games primarily in the first person shooter like like perspective that allowed you to go through a realized world with like physics that would have reactivity to your actions and you would have different ways of dealing with problems that then would react to it. So think of Deus Ex or System Shock where you could go quiet or sneaky or a variation of in between or use deployment, like not an RPG, right? But, uh, and Thief, Thief is also in like the poster, not a poster, but like one of the pre-genitors for that. Um, but when, and, and when Deus Ex came out and that term got popularized, like it was the really the only show in town that
Starting point is 01:12:10 did all the things that it was doing, like it did have some Thief stuff and System Shock also existed. But now that every game has some level of physics interaction and choose your own thing, it basically refers to very specifically Thief, Deus Ex, System Shock, Prey, kinds of games. Wander a realized environment, go through terminals, read people's email, sneak around, shoot some people. I'm not gonna lie, I don't fully get it in terms of like, I'm sure there are games that will have all those things that break the mold if you want to strictly. Okay, you know what? I can really solve it for you. For every game made after 2004, if there is a combination that you can punch in at the first door that is 0451, that is an immersive
Starting point is 01:13:09 sin. Okay, that is, that is the genre designation to the point where there is an achievement in Deathloop. If you try that code on the first door and the character remarks that, uh, old habits die hard. Okay. But as for like explaining it to people that are not living that isim life, people, by the way, somebody in chat just mentioned, so Bioshock is an immersive sim? Absolutely. It's an immersive sim in the shock style. It sounds like ours, it sounds like our struggle to define character action. It does. It's very similar. But the easier way to define Deathloop is that it's a first person game where you are running a series of hitman levels in order to find the perfect hitman run. Okay. You're, you're learning how various things interact
Starting point is 01:14:07 between levels. You're figuring out if I do this here, then this will open up or this person will move to this location in order to find the perfect run, which is the final loop, which is the ability to kill all targets in a single day. And running around playing with the powers, figuring out solutions to all these weird little problems, seeing how things interact between all the different areas, trying to figure out how to get people in certain places is tons of fun. It's a blast. I heard that the thing really go ahead, go ahead. No, after you. No, just I heard that the the story and plot and character implementation is also like really, really strong. Oh yeah, absolutely. You're basically talking to at the level start. You're talking near constantly to your primary
Starting point is 01:14:59 antagonist would be Juliana, who will either through AI or person or player invasion, show up in your, at least one of your levels throughout the day to try and murder you. Yeah. Hela Dark Souls. And the back and forth on that is stellar. Like it's just, it's just really fun antagonistic character writing. So I've heard her, I heard, I don't know if it was her specifically, but I've heard a description of a nemesis like persistent enemy. Oh yeah. Yeah, that'd be Juliana. Yeah, okay. Like you have four, like you do, there's four times a day and you can only do one level per time of day. So you do one, two, three, four. And she invades about two on average. It's never consistent as to which ones. And player invasions are like
Starting point is 01:15:51 decidedly stacked in Colt's favor, like in the single player person's favor, because they have three lives, whereas the invader only has one. So it ends up feeling like if they get you three times, like congratulations. But yeah, no, those two interacting is the absolute highlight of the game. It's, it's pretty much the core plot because the game doesn't really have a core plot. The game is I'm going to break the loop. Fuck you know fuck you. Okay, cool. I figured out how to break the loop. I'm going to do it. And then you do your perfect run. The only thing that I really dislike about the game, genuinely, is that finding out what the perfect run, which is about 95% of the game is a blast. Doing the perfect run is super easy and totally trivial. And is, is
Starting point is 01:16:51 not like a, like it's, it's portrayed as like it'll be the final test of your abilities. And it's super not. Okay, so after all the buildup, it's not as satisfying to do it. And then the game just ends. Like it has one of those endings where you talk to somebody for a couple minutes. And then they go, okay, it's over. And then the credits roll. And like it just, it just like completely deflights right at the end. Which is again, part of the immersive genre, immersive sim genre, terrible final level with terrible endings. Like the fucking ending to Deus Ex one is awful. It's terrible. But like, I mean, I guess it is. It's such a ball drop that like it affects the way you feel about the rest of it. Oh, okay. It is, it is kind of a wet fart of a
Starting point is 01:17:52 finale. But like that wet fart of a finale was 45 minutes compared to the about, I don't know, 15, 16 hours I spent with it. So like, game's still great. Super good. Okay. Deathloop is good. Thumbs up on Deathloop. And it sold well. And I saw I was looking at what Dave from New Blood was posting. And the marketing makes more sense now. Because the marketing portrayed it as everything that it's not. It portrayed it as a, as a multiplayer versus game. It portrayed it as like a level based shooter. It portrayed it as a puzzle game. All these different things when it's actually an ISIM, but ISIM sell like shit. See, I just, I just took it to be like, this is a game that has a lot of money spent on it. So
Starting point is 01:18:54 we're going to remind you about it every single time we have a stage show. Well, the other thing is that Prey, which did I finish that before you left? I think you did. Yeah, you tell you talk. Yeah, I think so. Prey is, is excellent. I would probably say Prey is, is better than, than Deathloop, but just by a little. Prey sold like shit. Like it sold like crap because it was under marketed. Yeah, I haven't heard much at all for it's, for that. Like it's, it's one of those games of the years that oopsie everybody missed. A couple of those coming by and huh? Hey, can you do me a favor? I need to take a five minute break. Yep. Because there are groceries outside that my wonderful fiance physically cannot get
Starting point is 01:19:45 through the door. All right, be right back. All right, are we back? Yes. All right, let's keep it rolling. Well, in the past week or so, Toby Fox decided to do something. What was it called? What was it? The Delta Rune stream on the Undertale anniversary for some reason? Like that was the real name of the stream. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't hear anything about. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. So there was the, there was the Delta Rune anniversary stream for some reason. And they played, he was showed up as a cartoon dog talking through a voice machine because he's very anonymous. And they played through the entirety of Delta Rune chapter one. And then the fan gamer people left and then the, the cartoon dog that was caught out,
Starting point is 01:20:34 a cardboard cutout started moving around the screen and then went and clicked on chapter two and then said, Hey, everybody dealt through and chapter two is going to come out in a day or two. And then it did. Oh, that's how they announced it. Okay. Yeah. And then so I'm down here and I'm just chilling. And all of a sudden I hear from the upstairs, and just womanly wailing from the upstairs. And then I knew that the Delta Rune had been announced. I knew it. I like the cold trap. It's good. So that came out and we went through it. And did you play the first Delta Rune chapter? Sure did. Hey, guess what? It's about as good as that. All right. It's a little, I would say it's a little weaker in some respects, but it's also bigger
Starting point is 01:21:36 in other, it's much larger. Okay. Size in that, you remember in the first Delta Rune, it didn't matter whether or not you spared or fought. It was like an active decision and that they'd made no difference. There is a difference. There are two definitive routes, the nice one and the other one. Okay. Interesting. Cool. Which I got to get through that, that other one at some point. It seems cool. And it's also with the announcement that there will be seven chapters. Whoa. Holy shit. And that one and two are on steam for free now and three to five will be the next batch and will be paid. And so will six and seven. God damn. Okay. And that Toby has Matt, like you look at the credits for like Undertale versus Delta Rune and they're
Starting point is 01:22:44 very small. Yeah. They're like hilariously small. I guess that call for staff really worked out then, huh? So then you look at the credits for Delta Rune chapter two and there's a like a thousand percent increase in staff. Yeah. And then talking more that for three to five, there will also be another staff up. Jesus Christ. Okay. I mean, like that was a really earnest like, Hey guys, I would like some help. Would you like to help me? And, you know, he was very real about that. And I assumed that he would have no problem fulfilling, you know, the chairs that he had open. So yeah, but I didn't expect to hear seven. Wow. Page dives into this like a freak and knows all the details. And when she was, we were going over the statements that
Starting point is 01:23:38 Toby was making, it really felt like to me that he's one of those creators that really wants to put the fine touches on his baby at every single level of production, only to have realized that the game will not be done until like 2045. He is doing it with the current level of staff. It's just not going to happen. And that this is the production reality of it. It's got to staff up. But it's also the game author design moment where you're like, Uh oh, I have to take one step back from my baby. Like from a little bit, you know, and then the bigger you get, the larger it goes. Then you take two and three and four steps back until yeah, that's your step. But, but it really is an amalgamation of multiple things, you know, and suddenly those, um, those guilty
Starting point is 01:24:39 gear backgrounds are a little less album covery, just a little less, you know, just just smidgen. Yeah. And I will say about the second chapter, you got your primary antagonist, much like, um, you know, Lancer, the king of spades were in the first one. And then you have your secondary shit kid antagonist. And then you have the devil equivalent. And man, these, these ones are winners. Okay. Like hands down. Like the primary antagonist of chapter two is my favorite. Like antagonistic Delta Undertale, Delta Rune, whatever character. Okay. Fucking hitting it out of the park with every line. Okay. And your super boss equivalent is my favorite of them. Okay. Nice. It's, it's awesome. Just not necessarily the fight. I just
Starting point is 01:25:48 mean the character is fucking great. How about that soundtrack? It's pretty good. Because dude, it's pretty good. I mean, Toby, Toby knows how to make a really fantastic soundtrack in, in like this kind of chip to, I don't want to call it chip tune, like retro, that super boss theme in chapter one is a big shot. That's super boss theme in chapter one is fucking powerful. And if every single one of these is like just full on mini Undertale OST of incredible quality top to bottom, that's a lot of amazing music to look forward to. Like I would, I would like honestly like post like, like some of the better tracks in here, but I'm pretty sure we have the chat setting set that you can't post links and it would just go like sure, sure, sure, whatever.
Starting point is 01:26:51 Okay. Okay. Like a plus. Fuck yeah, fuck yeah. Seven. Damn. I really was expecting five. Um, I was expecting, I was expecting an odd number and I was thinking five, maybe like, with like the last one being like a nice chunky, wrap it all up kind of thing, you know, cool. Uh, yeah, that's, that's going to be something special for sure. What else? Oh, what else did I, I, oh, I play. Oh God, I watched something and that is Paige joined me and it was, it was pretty much pretty quickly after you left and we blew through all of Evangelion in a five day span for all of it all the way up to three point plus 1.0 for the X and time
Starting point is 01:28:03 for me, it'd be like the sixth. Okay. For her, it would be the first. Okay. Um, interesting. That last movie is really good. So I gave you the, or I'm, or I mentioned the, um, the, the punch mom journey through that original series, uh, not too long ago. How did it go? Fantastic. Okay. Uh, there was a, there was a minor tantrum, uh, around episode three, which was, um, hilarious now in hindsight, which was what the fuck is wrong with all these people why are they acting like this? Why don't they just talk to each other? Yep. Yep. I don't know what's going on. Why are they doing that? I hate them. I hate this. I hate you. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Which is kind of a perfect encapsulation
Starting point is 01:29:04 beyond fair, which I said, oh, oh, honey, if you don't, you don't want to keep watching it's fine. I'll just watch it by myself to which I believe she replied, no, fuck you. I'm invested now. I have to know what happens. You did this. Fuck you. Load up the next episode. When is Oscar showing up? There you go. Um, and when, uh, when some folks asked her what she thought of it, she described it as a mirror holding a knife, which I think is a really fantastic breakdown of what it's like to watch Evangelion. I like that a lot. That's great. It's the I'm in this photo and I don't like it of anime. Um, yeah, that last movie is really good. And I will say
Starting point is 01:30:05 not that third movie, which I hate so much removed from the context of waiting years and years and years for it. I like it a lot more than I did when it came out. The context of it being the next big thing for Evangelion really didn't do that movie any favors at all. Um, well, um, I, I didn't rewatch it in going into three plus one. I just, uh, watched the official recaps. Um, and you know, I mean, I mentioned it just before leaving, but yeah, the things that kind of stuck with me were just like, man, I still don't like these designs or this, this, you know, this version of the world. Like it seems. Oh, you're nuts. The visual design of all that shit is like the absolute highlight of the third and fourth movie. You've lost your mind. The characters, I was like, I never was a
Starting point is 01:31:06 fan of like, like the, the post jump look of them. But, um, as, but what I was saying is like, as a send off, it's, uh, it's pretty good. It does a lot of work in like, you know, going, all right, let's bring this whole thing to a close. But I have, I have questions, you know. Um, I mean, it's whatever. That's not, that it, but we have to crack open the spoiler to do that. So I'll just, you know, I will say, um, I guess this is a minor spoiler, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. Uh, do you remember the, like, Hey, the, the fourth movie is coming trailer. And I'm specifically talking about the trailer in which there was a shot of like unit one fighting a similar looking unit one that looked like garbage. Like it looked like the absolute
Starting point is 01:32:09 shittiest CG fight scene ever. And I looked at that and went, Oh, that looks pretty bad. Only for then to get to the movie in which that scene looks way worse than I thought. Way worse. And then for about 10 seconds, I'm just like, what the fuck? Oh, I guess that's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah, I get it. You really, you really are excited for Ultraman. And oh, you're really, really big excited for this kind of production. I didn't notice the scene you were talking about. Really? All right. Well, we could talk about that in a, in a, in a spoiler cast kind of thing. If you like, uh, that's pretty much all I want to talk about. Okay. I'll try and answer questions for you. Uh, if you got any, because I have it kind of all fresh in
Starting point is 01:33:06 my head, uh, what else? No more heroes. Three came out, didn't finish it. Guess what? It's great. It plays well and it's sort of 51 going nuts and just having a video game where characters will sit around and talk about Mika movies for like an hour. That too, I hear is the like, like, let's just, let's treat this like the Metal Gear Solid four of the franchise. There's a podcast in that game. And yeah, I guess it's one of those, the energy I get about Terraform ours in it. That's nuts. The, the overall impression of like, like one, all, like all the warriors, the full send off, the big old, you know, we don't know if we'll ever make another one of these.
Starting point is 01:34:00 Let's not pretend we're, we're going to automatically be able to. Um, and the other thing that I was like, it's just the most noteworthy is that like Suda has been around for fucking a long time now doing the same Suda weird things and we all kind of know them. So the fact that he's still surprising people and getting this kind of reaction means like, good job, dude. Like you, you're not, people haven't figured you out just yet. You know how to keep it weird in a particular way. Well, it's, it's, it's a strength of personality thing going on where it's like, I want to have like an hour plus of people talking about these movies that I like. And it's, it's, it's overtly
Starting point is 01:34:48 like Tarantino ish where it's like the characters in the car and death proof. We're going to talk about this band because Quentin Tarantino likes this band. And did you know, um, Dave B dosy bleaky Mitch and titch death? Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not death proof. Oh, I know death proof. Yeah. Right. And it's also, it's also funny to play because the open world is about a shitty and runs about as bad as it ever has, but zero gameplay takes place in it. Because every time you get into a fight or go fight a boss, you get transported to the frame rate dimension. And the game runs at 60 there. So it's like, okay, thank you. I'm glad that developers are on board with the continued use of the frame rate dimension. Big fan of that.
Starting point is 01:35:39 Um, I hear one Henry cooldown has lost his accent. Don't wouldn't be able to tell you it didn't run into him. Okay. I'm only about maybe a halfway through maybe cups. Uh, and I guess last but not least, unless there's something like dramatic that I forgot, I, uh, last, uh, lost judgment came out yesterday. I started playing lost judgment. That's really sudden. It's, isn't it? It totally stuck up on me. Feels like it just kind of dropped. Yeah. I was talking to, uh, to Jean about it, because he was reviewing it and we were talking about it when it came after came out or like an hour before it came out. And I'm like, I'll be honest, like, I don't know anything about it
Starting point is 01:36:25 because, uh, they announced RGG games and I go, okay, yeah, I'll buy it. It's going to be good. The fuck do I need to keep up with this for? Um, but what I didn't expect is that the, the emotional core of the early narrative at least is about bullying in schools. Okay. And Yagami has to go to a high school in Yokohama and earn the trust of the kids like he's Steve Buscemi with his skateboard. And if those bullies start some trouble, you need to heat action them through a fourth story window and smash their 15 year old faces through a desk. Wait, when Jean was talking about it, people linked him to the until it's done podcast
Starting point is 01:37:30 animated segment and he responded with that is absolutely the game. That is the plot to lost judgment. Oh Jesus Christ. Okay. Beating the piss out of children. Wait, so what if 21 Jump Street just had an hour of Channing Tatum just beating on kids, just beating on them. So are you being a GTO? Or like, no, you're just a guy. You're not a teacher. You're like a 38 to 40 year old man in skinny jeans, fucking judo kicking kids off a roof. Okay, but did they have it coming? Yeah, they did. Okay. Because they're bullies. Okay. And that's the way that you deal with bullies according to the Yakuza devs. Okay, is you just beat the piss out of them. And it takes it takes the absurdity of like Yakuza logic of that guy's fine.
Starting point is 01:38:35 That guy's still alive to the absolute height. I've never seen it this bad. The first thing that happens when you arrive in Yokohama is you find five or six teenagers hassling a shopkeeper and recording him on their phone until he says something rude so they can get him in trouble to which you and Kaito the bigger dude with the orange shirt just decide to just beat him to death in the middle of the street with signs like those those those wall moves where you're just curbing them. And then you later run into the principle of the school in which you describe that a scuffle took place at which Yagami actually says out loud well no one was hurt but there was a scuffle and the kids are going to show up later injury free
Starting point is 01:39:33 like it's a complete separation so like the battle scenes might as well be in your head fantasy in narrative you're just giving them a spanking yeah but then gameplay gets added to the spanking so you have to play it out I see it's absurd it's completely absurd oh I mean I only played that for a couple hours last night you should check it out it's good and I also played tales of a rise which I see a lot of people trying to remind me that I played here that's a good tales game through here it's a good tales game yeah and and it's good good it looks really nice it's substantially less cringe than has been my experience with tales games in the past it plays really well like it feels much better my past couple of
Starting point is 01:40:34 tales games that I've tried to pick up my tales of friend has reached out to say hey this is a good one this is one of the good ones and it is it is substantially less cringe at least at least from where I'm sitting so far how's the air combos great okay charge up a move and do extra damage to your own health bar to get a bigger move out okay it's good it's really there's nothing like there's nothing special or unique about it at all it's just a really good one that plays and feels really well I specifically mean the feel I didn't like how Vesperia felt I didn't like how Berseria felt I think I played Zestri at one
Starting point is 01:41:27 point they all felt really light they all felt really like anime well that's the tailziness yes well this one feels a lot heavier it has less tailziness yeah I guess I I guess I that's what I would say okay okay uh yeah it's nice okay very pleasant looks fantastic love the the design it's it's very it's very bright very colorful and I think that's it other than the ff14 job stuff came out but I mean that's nitty gritty and boring to talk about if I'm not talking about somebody who is also way into that shit oh right and Kai Lang showed up and he's the worst he's the absolute worst I fought Kai Lang in a boss fight and it's it's the worst thing I've ever seen it's pro I've been thinking about it long and hard probably worse than the ending
Starting point is 01:42:27 wow probably worse than the end wow okay in in retrospect Kai Lang shows up for one of the easiest boss fights ever um in which he breaks the universe's own rules in which he gets to recharge his shields in a fight which has never happened and then after you win he engages his own cutscene dimension in which he can walk up to party members that have been in the mass spec series for the entire show and are capable superhumans and just do that thing where I'm gonna grab one by the wrist and throw them so that they knock over the other character and they're dead they might as well be dead they're out of the cutscene Jesus Christ and then I'm gonna have a gunship bomb the area and everyone's gonna get knocked off their feet and fall around but Kai Lang will stride forward
Starting point is 01:43:24 carefully because he's not affected by explosions well he's and then right when you think you could do something your character is literally dropped into a cutscene pit so that Kai Lang can talk shit at you as you uselessly flail to get to him and then post fight characters tell you oh man he beat your ass so hard oh that's so terrible oh he beat your ass and then to top it all off you get a message from the military command of the planet that you just failed to save and it's not a message from a sorry command it is in fact a scrub quote from Kai Lang emailing you to gloat which is now being spammed in the chat and it is you can just glance over it willy it is cringe it is saw it is shadow the hedgehog cringe you open this message this isn't
Starting point is 01:44:31 actually a military command a sorry military command they're busy tending to what's left of their planet so you survived our fight on DC you're not as weak as I thought but never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me now an entire planet is dying because you what because you lack the strength to win the ledger uh legend Jesus Christ okay the legend of shepherd needs to be rewritten I hope I'm there for the last chapter it ends with your death what a fucking scrub oh man it's like embarrassing wait do you fight his harem no they're not there oh do they have biotics too yeah of course they do okay it is like a flood of cringe and it's a scrub quote from a guy who beat you like what um I
Starting point is 01:45:34 people talk about ludo narrative distance like oh you killed so many people but you're supposed to or uh uh judgment right you beat up the kids but the kids are fine this is worse because all I can think about is the person who wrote it right I'm not thinking about how it's inconsistent with its own rules all I can think about is the human individual who wrote this and was like yo dude that's so cool because it's me oh man I'm writing it that's what I would say to shepherd yeah I also tracked down an interview with Troy Baker who voices Kai Lang who talks about how he was a massive fan of mass effect and then they gave him this character and he was like ah just wasn't my thing but I did my best which uh I think everybody knows what that means
Starting point is 01:46:32 best season ever best season ever man that has become shorthand for a really specific emotion and that's what's been going on with me okay you want to check out more lost judgment streams I'm streaming it all this week you go down to twitch.tv slash pat stairs at how about you woolly what are you doing this week um I'm gonna be busy with a couple things but I do believe I'll be able to um jump on stream on Thursday and then on Saturday uh so yeah we're gonna hop back on and resume uh where we left off gonna keep up that SMT LP and then uh on Saturday uh take a look because I do believe uh it has been it has been whispered that uh while I was gone an among us fighting game has dropped apparently so need to
Starting point is 01:47:38 take a look at that um that sounds pretty sus man well from the it's it seems like it is the kind of divine drop that um FGC content creators basically just immediately must descend upon because it's an among us fighting game so you know gotta get in there and see what's going on um but yeah you know well that'll that'll be over on woolly versus um as well as some other content in the near future that everyone should look forward to and enjoy uh woolly versus on twitch woolly versus on youtube yeah and then probably a little bit of a schedule might do some schedule shifting as well um after the next week or so but um there's still a couple more things I life things that I have to figure out and sort out um so you know I'm still
Starting point is 01:48:49 going to be on a slightly reduced schedule until um pretty much for the rest of the month you know a lot going on a lot going on but uh yeah you guys will be the first to hear about it once things are back to normal and with that we should head over to news but first quick word from our sponsors they've been building up oh man big sponsor energy here yeah we basically had to like hold the floodgates back for three weeks so you know there's been a uh a bit of a what you might call it um traffic jam but uh this week the podcast is sponsored by hawthorn hawthorn hawthorn we've talked about the hawthorn name yeah that's the uh well pretend I can't remember and tell me about it again it's about personal care it's about a lifestyle
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Starting point is 02:02:05 for $100 off including free shipping they're the number one meal kit for eating well check them out thanks green chef thanks green chef okay so uh the news obviously has been luckily there has been no news since you left three weeks of nothing easy crazy now to be fair and we talked about this briefly right before we went live uh one of the biggest news story of the past three weeks has literally just been the same news story over and over and over again escalating so you really haven't missed much yeah so like here i mean i'll throw something out there and everything everything attached to it by all means you can fill it right in but the part that stuck out to me was um bobby caudick was subpoenaed that's
Starting point is 02:03:11 correct so the timeline is california files a labor dispute against black division blizzard because it black division might what what i say black division did i say that that's what i thought i heard oh did guys did i say that go on whatever as you were blizzard uh for being bad to employees and then uh the staff was like stop doing that and then they hired a bad bunch anti-union people and people went nut and it's got bad and then they got investigated by another government it was the labor department of california or something like that and then they doubled down again and now after they changed uh some sexy paintings in world of warcraft pictures of fruit and are going to change macree's name even with all of that change the united states federal
Starting point is 02:04:23 government sec is subpoenaing them for uh it's it's related to anti-union stuff and compensatory practices for the executives which says to me does everyone remember when activation blizzard would post like a record year and then fire 30 percent of their staff so the bobby caudek and like five of his friends could give themselves those salaries because they said wow we made all this money even though we don't have these costs because we just fired everyone and we're juicing the numbers big success well looks like that's catching up to them best case scenario people go to jail for fraud worst case scenario blizzard is fined into oblivion now i would like to think that um the subpoena had to be served after a number of comical
Starting point is 02:05:20 hijinks style dodge attempts because you know uh someone has to walk up to you and serve it to you but if you physically are unable to receive it or you know not actually uh uh confronted by the person then technically it doesn't count so yeah process serving is wild peeking through windows jumping out the back of a house peeling out from a garage as the person with the with the subpoena sees you peeling out getting chased etc these all these are the things that happen um have to put it in your hands they do else it doesn't count uh apparently they're also uh yeah they're basically looking for um meeting minutes of board meetings from back to 2019 with um all the things you mentioned as well as um meetings with senior executives regarding complaints of sexual harassment and
Starting point is 02:06:17 discrimination so uh it's not just that financial stuff but it's also the meetings they had about handling these uh harassment cases yeah it's uh they're not doing so they're not handling it well it's not being handled adequately i gotta say i didn't think um this many years later we'd still be talking about bobby kottick he makes a lot of money yeah company it's just usually there's a rotation at some point that occurs it's in some way yeah usually they quit but the difference of bobby kottick unlike all the usual like executives in the games business is that bobby kottick has figured out a way to take the money his company makes and put it into his pocket which is a good reason to stick around also of note of that is um blizzard activision's legal representation
Starting point is 02:07:22 their primary lawyer quit this morning yep and apparently somebody in the chat is saying that literally just now the head of overwatch's team just bailed also i i also saw something about diablo and a former here's a quote here's a quote from the from the diablo two resurrected director uh it's very troubling to hear about all the harassment and abuse at activision blizzard folks deciding if they'll buy the diablo two remake should just do what they feel is right in terms of boycott so yeah that's been happening that's a weird statement from a developer like listen i understand why you won't buy my game my company is evil it's like it's almost like i won't take
Starting point is 02:08:26 it personally well that's that sounds like a person who might be about to walk if they have not already does sound like that because they're finishing up their project right so now'd be a good time to slap it on the cv and look for work especially when it's possible that in 2023 activision blizzard no longer exists it might get like just dismantled by regulatory practices i mean i i don't know about the doesn't exist but like stripped down to its bones and a completely different company uh in name only is a possibility maybe something's gonna happen more a wider interpretation of that statement if you're feeling generous is pirate it i don't give a shit i'm out of here but you know what though let's not be naive it is very possible
Starting point is 02:09:26 to just be big and bloated and shitty and just exist forever oh that's true we live in a world where that's very very possible you can just be that fact i'm counting on it yeah so uh i heard about that and then i heard about a couple other things um i heard a a certain piss baby might have gotten the keys to the star wars franchise man that like you started with a certain piss baby and i'm like i actually just that could be anything and yes a certain piss baby has decided that well has gotten the keys to star wars yes that's true keys to the jag david cage and quantic dream may in fact have secured a star wars deal which is appropriate honestly considering that star wars is a franchise uh that will
Starting point is 02:10:33 gladly delete its gaze at the drop of a hat a game studio that doesn't make games for gay people seems like the natural fit well listen when you take a potential trilogy of star wars uh movies away from the game of thrones guys d and d what what what what else are you gonna do with it where else are you gonna hand it off right um you really like that energy d and d was putting out you gotta see if you can find it in the game me oh wow look at this guy that's that is a a like says right here he ran crying from a courtroom this is who we want to help star wars game that is an unfortunate rumor to go hand in hand with the remake of cotor cotor is not being worked on by anyone at by aware
Starting point is 02:11:41 is it yeah they they were contacted with their thoughts on a development and like the statement that came out from by aware was like we're really happy for aspire media to be working on one of our uh you know classic uh franchises and we wish them the best like it's it's like by aware has little to nothing to do with it well even if by aware had everything to do with it by aware would have little to not anything to do with it because it wouldn't have been by by aware either way those people so who cares um but i did see that jennifer hail is getting um cast so it looks like yep they're through it again they're they're getting play through anything with jennifer hail in it they're getting if they're getting the same voice
Starting point is 02:12:27 actors and they're doing it then they're doing it well minus the obvious i suppose i mean ed asner can't reprise his role you know but um yeah that's fucking amazing news just so so weird to think that quantic dream impressed them or gave some sort of pitch that was like yeah that's where we want to take it but you know like if it's just a matter of like hey we want to have um big pretty conversational star wars game come out like the version that david cage is going to make is just a it's instantly inferior to the cotor remake they just announced that is also a big conversation game so all right i'm gonna get i'm about to say something really fucked up so get ready for this fair warning to everyone i can't wait for the next jedi hero in the star wars universe to have their force powers
Starting point is 02:13:35 awaken after multiple attempted rapes see i think i can see that but it doesn't get past the cutting room floor because disney probably wouldn't sign off on it but he would try oh this is really bold but uh we're gonna we're gonna go x-nay on the apre okay with it they would they would try he would try he would try but it wouldn't actually get greenlit that's the that's what i think now um yeah i just i you know i i bring up the parallel because it's just like you know these are this is like the fucking perfect version of what you want to make already here um and then there's this is the worst possible out version of that same kind of game over here uh i i can only imagine um that you know that whole thing about like hey we've been bringing in we've been bringing
Starting point is 02:14:47 in more writers and we've been containing the cage and we've been locking it down like i can only imagine this will be the most restrained he will ever be he's not working on it he's busy on some other project literally his name is not even involved mate like it might even be that it might even be that he might actually be fully caged but yeah anyway whatever fuck that um cotor remake um wow the inside of this ship looks really big compared to the outside it's so luxurious after years of teasing after years of like uncertainty and weird renders that were cut from things and all that it's just it's not just cool because yay a really good game is fucking coming back um and some of the best story and some of the best characters and best
Starting point is 02:15:45 everything that i love about fucking star wars but it's cool because this means that they actually might have a momentum build up here to a new entry yeah after the second one gets done i remember when cotor three rumors stopped happening and tor rumors started happening and then in just flat out interviews uh they'd be like well tor is cotor three really and like that never went over the way they wanted it to it was always like uh uh yeah but but cotor three though every awesome game franchise has a weird break for a really long time in the middle of it and then a decade and a half later something else or maybe nothing ever but like it just you know yeah that other one happens too yeah i'm starting
Starting point is 02:16:50 to but i'm starting to like in this age in this like at this point in life i'm looking and going like yeah a lot of things that just should have been continued just you know went away forever and then people went why'd that go away and it took about 15 years of going please bring that back and then they're like all right here it is so um two is what i'm most excited for and i assume one has to assume like could you imagine they remade two and it was not including the extra content like they just remade the exact released version they wouldn't remake too is a mess but if this one does really well they would have to like they're not going to turn all that money down like you know and then the momentum can lead to maybe a three maybe i don't
Starting point is 02:17:44 know and we can maybe not think about the stuff from the mmo that talk about the the the story threads that one and two were clearly leading towards that went nowhere mmo each stuff never happened don't worry about our two characters and and what became of them don't worry about that raid fight again against age k-47 um yes that was announced uh then you know this is need this needs a little bit more time to see if it becomes anything but at bare minimum uh digital eclipse who has worked with capcom and disney in the past have told them they're interested in making a marvel versus capcom to remaster and discussions are being had and the quote here uh directly attributes the hundreds of hashtag free mvc two messages that people have sent so yeah um
Starting point is 02:18:54 max might straight up will a marvel to remaster into existence this remaster include touching up some of those sprites because some of those sprites need a touch up if they if they do this and if they want it to be as received as best received as possible they need to not do any of the shit or changes that they did with the xbox port and they or the they need to just make it as like arcade original as they can and like don't fuck with the other things like it's there's there's times where they fix bugs and change gameplay things that like people who play really don't want to see that stuff changed um i i just i have the fantasy in my mind that of the joke we made many years ago which was the morgan as a 3d model yeah like five pixels wide and it's just
Starting point is 02:19:49 the sprite as a flat 3d model well there was an actual someone actually made that in street fighter four as like a screenshot mod it was amazing um but yeah so so marvel to uh actual free uh free free mvc two actually leading to discussions um again max a million just doing amazing things holding it down uh they've digital clips has worked with them on um yeah the disney afternoon collection and they worked on street fighter 30th anniversary so there's no better team to talk to both of these companies about like making them making them kiss you know make them kiss because after infinite they don't they don't want to kiss no more but just push the heads together uh this one is just in never gonna get that capcom versus capcom yeah literally you know
Starting point is 02:20:51 you know um continuing push capcom's face towards a mirror and just kiss it kiss the mirror uh you know who's never gonna kiss and make up epic and apple oh boy because that was this that was three weeks ago as well oh man i couldn't believe it that was like the day you left so the epic versus apple case has come to a conclusion in which was the conclusion everyone wanted they both lost the judge decided to just have the biggest pop-off possible by announcing a double ko they both lost it was great neither of them got what they wanted uh epic lost nine out of 10 claims which i believe includes having to put the fucking fortnight back on the store like it's not going back and apple lost the ability to mandate payment through their own app store
Starting point is 02:22:08 which is the thing everybody hoped they would lose on because that's bad for everybody and that's okay that's not every company yeah now everyone gets that that that freedom across the board on the app store and you go read the judge's decision the judge is like very blunt and that they both did very bad jobs proving their cases and the judge is actually fairly tech savvy and just decided to just do what they wanted and change the way it worked because these companies suck ass epic will pay millions because they lost on every count and uh apple will have to allow external payment processors potentially costing billions as uh yeah shriar said here big win for everyone who is rooting for both companies to lose there you go whoever loses we win
Starting point is 02:23:05 epic like apple is monetarily the biggest loser by far because they've lost their monopoly on their own store or platform but i feel like in my heart epic is the biggest loser in that this entire rigmarole has just not gone their way at any point they still can't get the goddamn game back on the store they have to pay apples fucking legal fees epic ends up looking like like the most clown shoes because they initiated and went down this entire road and apple was more or less playing defense the entire time but uh yeah some folks talking about like if like because the judge cites epic's behavior in regards to the lawsuit in the decision and it's legitimately possible that if epic did not make their videos and shit yeah videos yeah yeah like mocking the whole process
Starting point is 02:24:11 that the the decision might have gone differently um in the conclusion it says epic games overreached um yeah that's that's a conclu- yeah and uh while it's uh yeah the court does not find apple is an antitrust monopolist uh however it's contract it's conduct and enforcing anti-steering restrictions is anti-competitive so to fix that everyone they got to allow other payment processors i could just see like the apple people um like sitting there and the judge is reading out the decision going the court does not find the apple is an antitrust monopoly however and then all of a sudden it just goes what yeah what do you mean what however you got to allow other shit because your shit's close it's
Starting point is 02:25:17 not anti it's not a monopoly but it's very anti-competitive and they're like oh but in the end like the the amounts that they lose respective to the size of the companies are similar in damage to you know yeah in terms of like percentile net loss yeah so there you go a little fun one there um we got that news uh we got a a unclear change that is coming to twitch in terms of a music deal that they struck up for dmca uh potentially the end of dmca strikes so this is uh ongoing they haven't struck this deal yet but they've been negotiating with the music companies for many years uh to
Starting point is 02:26:14 hopefully get a kind of exception deal going on um people are talking about it might represent the end of dmca claims if they can get like a license to for music i don't think that's going to happen i think that currently we're dealing with uh wishes i think it's possible but it'll never be no strings attached so according to a report by bill bird the national music publishers association are close to signing a music deal agreement that put an end to the ongoing dmca saga on the twitch platform um but it's not specifying what the deal entails simply that it would be a way to uh get rid of takedowns so if what they sign involves heavily promoting whatever music is detected
Starting point is 02:27:15 you know or or um including yeah including some sort of major like like click through or or uh some like pseudo monetization that you have no control over i wouldn't be surprised like i can see whatever this deal is being like will allow the music to play but you bet your ass there will be a trade-off the moment we detect it you know i can i can see a situation where it's like they reserve the right to like literally kill any vaude or active even active stream where they detect the shit but it won't like but like the actual banning or whatever will be in twitch's court or whatever you know just sure sure it'll never be a situation anyone's happy with but honestly the the big the biggest change recently to twitch's thing is that the uh acknowledgement that uh your
Starting point is 02:28:07 strikes can finally fade away they're no longer permanent uh once somebody inside twitch determines your channel is not a repeat offender aka you're not one of those idiots who turn their channel into a fucking dj station yeah well that's what i was about to say 60 to 90 days or some shit like that the strike will appeal off so that's it i imagine to whatever the end result ends up being here is like it'll probably make you know uh exceptions for people who are just running full music station or full albums with no like other content uh being like layered over it or anything like that um they'll be like yeah that still isn't there's no good we'll see but it's in the it's in the uh we got somebody in our chat saying that they have received an email saying that an agreement
Starting point is 02:29:00 has been reached i have asked them to contact me uh over the dm okay i'll i'll let you know about that shit unless they are just farting bullshit out their butthole always a possibility that's what comes out of the butthole always possible it is speaking of farting bullshit out your butthole you can finally pair your bluetooth headphones to your switch i am like unreasonably pissed off about this like like like like me and page both had the same reaction which was just like we're sitting there and we just saw the fucking thing we're like wait they could have done the entire time the entire time those absolute motherfuckers you know that we cd player update any day now that dvd player update any day now
Starting point is 02:29:58 it's crazy it's like we're gonna find out by the end of this hardware's life that it has a microphone and we just and it was just never activated you know like it's gonna be like the the type of shit remember the we u dvd player update shit that's what i was talking about that's what i brought up you know like just the level of oh it's there but we just don't let you is only only nintendo has this type of shit in this day and age i think i think the comparison that was brought up was like the fucking like the vita or the psp had bluetooth headphones support vita did like what do we do what are we doing you know anyway so you can do that i'm like legitimately more likely if i'm out of the house which is never to use my actual switch now that i can use my good headphones
Starting point is 02:30:57 with it by the way i have an update on um the twitch deal okay uh we got zack bussy that's unfortunate uh reporting uh that the deal has been made okay here are the changes still can't play anything they don't want you to change that's anything they want you to play the only thing that has happened is the procedure for claims slash strikes all right uh build productive partnerships with twitch blah blah blah part of this agreement we want to let you know about a new process we're creating blah blah blah more flexible blah blah blah than the existing process blah blah blah all right now when a participating rights holder reports the use of unauthorized music on a creator's channel this will occur
Starting point is 02:31:53 there will be a team that will review reports and check for completeness unlike the dmca twitch will give creators a chance to course correct by issuing a warning it'll remove vods and clips that contain authorized music unauthorized music from the channel and if a live stream involves one of several specified flagrant music uses examples include rebroadcasting music concerts or broadcasting pre-release tracks twitch may also issue a warning or penalty depending on the creator's history of that kind of music use okay we have more information to share here in the coming weeks okay so much much like uh the dmca apocalypse much like remember the youtube ad apocalypse it always comes down to uh this has damaged it for
Starting point is 02:32:45 everyone but it is very specifically for the sub one percent of complete psychopaths that are just abusing just streaming music fringe of the system so in this case it was people running goddamn radio stations okay on twitch um yo like um if there is a warning system in place specifically targeted yeah if there's a warning system in place that's all i wanted you know so there's a warning system there's um the auto mute shit that twitch has built in there's the the fact that shit will fall off and dmca strikes are not the de facto start and end of the process there is now some wiggle now are people still going to get fucked by this absolutely will there be mistakes absolutely will uh warnings be the de facto course of action no people are
Starting point is 02:33:47 likely just going to get their shit slammed before getting a warning yes but i just i appreciate a knock on the door instead of a shot right through the door you know yeah uh me personally um i have turned special events to my auto don't create a vaude uh that feature they put in okay and i have just gone back to normal like uh i it has been long enough and people have like streamed these these you know events and whatnot and there haven't been any problems it really does seem like it has been limited to the fucking psychopaths running like the radio in the background of their stream i still expect uh an award slow an award show slaughter to occur at some point when some game trailer plays some fucking Beatles songs some Kanye track that's not out yet that just gets
Starting point is 02:34:48 everyone murdered and then twitch has to go oh shit we're sorry and then at the very least i'm convinced that a lot of people that are much bigger than me will also be hit by the same thing and i will be encapsulated yeah in whatever solution yeah and the um saw some people in the chat wondering whether how much this got sped up by Metallica getting muted at their own concert and considering their involvement with the RIAA and all these things i can only imagine that Lars had a piss boy phone call to somebody where he was embarrassed that he looked stupid on the twitch tv so he's a bitch yeah now i can i can hum or pseudo sing karaoke type moments again without worry getting worried about that although i don't know how strong that has been but i've
Starting point is 02:35:45 heard that don't even fucking sing anything lest that comes in yeah anyway this is probably as good as it's gonna get don't say the word don da too many times in a row or it might sound like the opening track of Kanye West's album don da if you just say it really quickly you might get you might get flagged uh so we have that uh what else happened we have the this is one for just for the the the 3d studio max people out there the 3d can modeling people but uh autodesk the company that is Montreal based that uh makes 3d studio max really yeah that was one of that was a place i was i wanted to i wanted to see if i could intern at at some point too because um when i was getting into that 3d when i when i
Starting point is 02:36:47 learned how to how to do 3d modeling it was it was on 3d studio like that so this is the program that i fucking spent my entire life like with that that uh with with that is the primary 3d thing that i knew um Maya and and Lightwave and all these other things came along and now it's a very you know um complex field with lots of options and i remember when z brush was unveiled and we were in the the computer lab at school just freaking the fuck out but 3d studio max has always been the one that i've i've gone in on the hardest and i know the best uh they unfortunately have basically over the years become adobe-fied with their bullshit um pricing practices and autodesk has as they've become the monolith for 3d things because they bought because you know
Starting point is 02:37:33 auto cad was theirs and they had auto then they had 3d studio max they bought Maya and they became more and more of this big monolith they switched their system to uh what they call flex and what flex is is getting rid of regular pricing corporate pricing student pricing all that shit and replacing it with a pay on a day by day basis pre-purchase system where everyone day by day everyone has to buy tokens and the amount of tokens you use allow you to access the program for a certain amount of time every time you open it wow that's even worse than adobe's crap it is it's just a subscription it's peak it's it's peak fucking trash so um so yeah basically you get uh you get access to tokens and uh what's the the the it's like a mobile game it's it's kind of in yeah so hold on the buildup is
Starting point is 02:38:48 um about about uh yeah 500 tokens will get you about a year's usage basically um no no no hold on that was initially actually sorry that's incorrect three thousand dollars for about 166 days of 3d studio max is the token pricing out here 500 tokens 1500 dollars 10 000 tokens for 28 5000 dollars 500 um it's just it is an absolute fucking shit show of a decision change and this is for auto desk 3d studio max yeah 3d studio man yeah um one of the most ridiculous egregious changes to a price system i've ever seen um okay well time for everyone to find a different program that does the same thing all of their applications will be using these tokens so if you want to subscribe to their suite you and you open up multiple including maya
Starting point is 02:40:08 including mudbox motion builder flame all of that shit uh these are all going to use tokens individually so you know sometimes jumping back and forth for convenience and whatever you're working on is going to use extra tokens you know what i mean like it's it's it's yeah it's fucking madness um wow one of the worst i've ever fucking seen i sure hope people don't take this as an excuse to pirate it hey this is one of those ones where i i mean i certainly hope i don't even know if like there's gonna be i would assume there'd be installation problems and versioning would be make that more and more difficult to do but there's always previous versions that i'm sure you can go back to where you uh well the people that work in the industry don't need to give a shit about
Starting point is 02:41:01 this because their company is buying their goddamn tokens for them but yeah um that counts as like a fucking what do you call it enterprise cost so we've gone from by the program you want and then use it to by the program you want at a really fucking extreme price and then use it and then we'll have a reduced price version for students but maybe you cannot render with it um maybe you can just use the viewport but any rendering is is disallowed or whatever um then we've gone to you know that's been the the the gouging for a while and then the new move over the last couple years always has been no you don't own the product you buy anymore you can only subscribe
Starting point is 02:41:59 and so now get your programs that you have to subscribe over a monthly basis and now we're just straight up at insert quarter to play arcade game like it's just it's fully gone from buying a game to now there's an arcade machine you're allowed to use like a bunch of bullshit uh yeah so that's that's insane um I again as that that was a company I was always like that's cool that they're here and I'd like to go be involved in the 3d and do things over there and it's like to see them go this way is fucking embarrassing I hope that people if you were there you would quit on the spot
Starting point is 02:42:45 out of solidarity I mean at this point really like there's never been a more clear pathway with both adobe and autodesk on just like yeah uh use the alternative programs uh go grab blender go grab whatever will get you know the job done that doesn't have to fucking time somebody's like photoshop's fucking me over everybody starts screaming the problem the problem is that you get work conditioned into a comfortable thing you know you get really used to we had that situation back when we were all editing the videos of best friends where every single person there used a different video editor exactly exactly we couldn't share anything because we all just self taught ourselves on different editors it was
Starting point is 02:43:34 vegas it was movie maker it was premier it was a specific version of movie maker too and it was adobe yeah yeah so um and you know that's that's you know always been the thing is just like oh god i'm gonna have to learn how to do this again and that again and from you know I remember feeling that for for 3d studio max back in the day when it was like I'll learn my and I tried and like ah damn it I don't know how to do this or that um but yeah no just now you have all the ultimate incentive anyway um there's that uh and then there was it's it's the smallest thing but it hurts nonetheless helena taylor making a tweet that implies that she might not be returning as the voice of bayonetta for bayonetta yeah this is one of the things just crawled along my timeline
Starting point is 02:44:26 and I want to say that I don't want to say but it feels like I'm the person who like blew it up or whatever by retweeting it and getting a lot of traction but yeah somebody uh spoke to what's her name helena Blake uh helena taylor helena taylor I don't know why I want to say Blake but helena taylor who uh is the long time very talented voice actor for bayonetta uh somebody tweeted at her I cannot imagine bayonetta without you to which she replied well you might have to and then what's that supposed to mean everybody goes what what and she goes I can't say I'm uh I think she even mentioned she's under NDA yeah I fucking hate the vagary of that but it clearly implies bad things it's not good you know you want to hope that it simply means
Starting point is 02:45:28 they have they're so far back in production that they haven't reached out to the really that's what you hope it means that 1400 days later we haven't recorded a single line of voice acting as opposed to just we were just getting someone else entirely you know well that's that's not exclusive options there's also there's also bayonetta fucking dies in the beginning of that game and you plays a new character I mean is that even the name of the game then at that point I don't know but it's possible I mean the original teaser trailer showed bail getting cut to pieces by a new character okay but what if what if this is just a David Hader all over again what if it's we've replaced we've replaced bayonetta with scarlett Johansson
Starting point is 02:46:39 and that's what it is now scar joe is now everyone scarlett Johansson whatever you mean Makoto Kusanagi I mean Motoko Kusanagi ah whatever tit for tat I've been making that mistake literally for 15 20 years tit for tat I want to say Makoto yeah there we go all right all right well anyway um it might you know it might just be that hey we got a celebrity so oh that would be boners that'd be terrible well the development's been taken a while because we got these big names celebrity voice actors no that that yeah god what are we at what are we at what are we at right now as of today we are at 1377 so you know that to me was um the stories I I wrote down and kept track of
Starting point is 02:48:12 divided like 1377 divided by 365 is is 1.43 that's not right I don't know how to do math that's fine it's like three years or whatever oh god if they hired lady gaga instead well that'd be a get but that but that's still not that's not the energy anyway um yeah so there you go that's I think that that's the last three weeks then I said I think that's a good breakdown cool let's take some letters hey if you want to send in a letter don't send in an email instead and woolly will tell you where to send it because I fucking forgot oh yeah you know I looked at I'm just looking at my email and I and twitch
Starting point is 02:49:12 just sent a thing saying hey we've reached an agreement with the NNPA so like oh yeah now it's officially rolled out like while we were podcasting they sent that out yeah there it is yeah I got the same email cool the same thing uh it's the same thing yeah there you go this new process does not change how music could be used to don't include music in your channel unless you secured the necessary rights blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit yeah the original improvement okay all right you want a lightning round lightning round all right um never give never give the internet the opportunity to find new ways to pave uh for racism because doing the catwoman whip gesture in the MLK fortnight zone yeah is
Starting point is 02:50:10 like that's a stroke of genius really like you had you had to work night zone yeah sounds like a sonic act because you can't take away the emotes that people pay for if they're premium emotes right so you know yeah I can't do that that'd be moral people had to get clever and they had to really work on that so there you go um good good job on that uh you know if fortnight is where the children are then that's where you have to go and if you want to teach them things then I guess this is the way it is from now on you know if you want to bring them your music then you hold a concert there and if you want to explain something about history then I guess you have to do it in fortnight as well you know seeing as uh it's been brought to my attention time and time again that the curriculum
Starting point is 02:51:00 isn't exactly covering a bunch of it so who the fuck knows you know it's weird but like I don't know they're probably looking at it going yeah I what oh like the kids are here we gotta go where the kids are it's this are roblox I don't know man I find it very difficult to take the fortnight attempt to teach kids about the MLK seriously when the CEO of their company said that their lawsuit against apple is just like the civil rights battle you know what that's a really good point that is fair um but you know I bet you there's a there's a like team that is like uh I don't know heritage culture and education division of epic and their job is to go and make these events happen you know and and yeah I bet you they're going to be trying to roll this type of thing out
Starting point is 02:52:06 more often I I bet you none of that I bet you literally none of that I bet it was four guys going hey we should do something for MLK and they slapped it together and showed it to their boss and their boss went yeah cool I know everyone padded themselves on the back and went this is great I know I know for a fact that community managers have had their roles expanded to include what I just described yeah cms just keep getting new jobs all the time so I'm I'm I really do think a company as large as epic would probably just go you know what let's dedicate a team to this and you go out and you fucking you figure that out or you make deals with time magazine and with the the I think the MLK
Starting point is 02:53:03 I think the um like the the actual estate said that they were not the licensees of like the footage or something along those lines they kind of implied that they didn't have much to do with the likely whoever owns the footage who bought it from whatever news organization so you know um yeah expect more of this type of shit to happen and expect oh yeah I expect it and expect the cringe dial to continue uh until it's broken off the fucking charts um I'm strapping down I'm I'm waiting to see you know like what like Rick and Morty avatars and the whipping and the I mean that's a trip but like we can go so much further we can do so much more um and then oh yeah Yoko Taro played that game where you you the cyber connect game with the
Starting point is 02:54:05 little little furries that you gotta hurry children you put them in the put them in the tank yeah you know yeah I don't know it looks like the least cyber connect game I've ever seen um I didn't I I didn't watch him play it attempt to make like a real video game yeah I like I like vibes of metal slug but I didn't watch him play it so I have nothing to say about that so you know um what's it foo foo it's a I forgot the name of it fuga fuga yeah what are you talking about the name of the game the tank game with the furries oh right I think that is the name yeah yeah so that's it anyway whatever we did it letters yeah we did a podcast you got married it happened I broke my ring what what does it mean
Starting point is 02:55:02 means I could have broken my finger but the ring stopped it fair enough I really I really I really am scared of breaking my fingers like I don't want to break them you need those I need them castle super beast mail at gmail.com is the place to send the letter and if you do it might be like Scotty from Australia who says dear it the poo poo cast having large hands I still experience to this day um pain while using defaults joy cons nothing in my mind though beats the 3DS PSP in terms of unfriendly hand crushing design kiddick aris is currently the king of exploding your wrists and hands but I would argue that the monster hunter claw for a PSP is long term more dangerous any
Starting point is 02:56:02 repetitive hand movements over a long time can be dangerous so do hand stretches and remember to take breaks especially if you're feeling pain but which is worse essentially is the what the what Scotty's asking um I the the claw and monster hunter looks painful and horrible but I don't know if the intensity of the game required you to move at breakneck speeds on all fingers so in claw formation kiddick aris is the worst that's what I'm saying it hurts you it you feel it in pain right away the only reason monster hunters claw is in contention is because there were like back to back to back monster hunter games that like people use the claw on whereas kiddick aris was a single game it's funny there's a there's a thread on the subreddit about like the shittiest
Starting point is 02:57:06 takes we've ever had and one of them is that how much I hate handhelds and how I say handhelds are for nobody and somebody surmised that the reason why I am so angry at handhelds is because I had to play monster hunter games on the PSP and 3DS um and it hurt my hands and they're completely right that is absolutely a big factor in the claw and playing monster hunter 4u on the 3DS is a huge factor in me hating handhelds like it is absolutely a huge deal I it sucks if it sucks if the claw required quick constant inputs I could see it being worse but it seems like it doesn't it doesn't it really doesn't yeah so kiddick aris continues to be the king of risk destroying and um I continue to never be topped up likely I continue to be baffled by what the fucksacker I was thinking
Starting point is 02:58:07 I mean there are points when you're playing it where you literally are like I need relief so I'm going to keep the stylus in place and drag the console around instead so that I don't uh have to move my wrist I I like I don't know what sector I was thinking because I I mean it's not universal that it hurts right away right that's definitely not universal but it's common enough that people in the development team playing their own game at least a couple of them would have reported this hurts right away the qa team would be able to report in on that um and the higher the difficulty of course the faster you realize that pain and the and the solution to that was get a stand which kind of helps but not enough and also it's a portable system dragging a stand
Starting point is 02:59:12 around with it and expecting a flat surface is kind of counterintuitive yeah um so yeah that's going to remain a legendary one for sure um shout out to the I can't think of anything that comes even close honestly shout out to the bubble button on on the uh on the 3do that uh you know I don't even know what that is what I can I bring it up all the time but it's the the and then the you got the circle where it's a donut button and uh after playing way the warrior I got a blister oh my god that is so stupid wow good good game to play uh we play to get a blister we got one coming in from Ricardo says dear guilty striver and a tomaton I've recently been playing the mobile near reincarnation I'm enjoying it a lot it's got good visuals and the stories are intriguing
Starting point is 03:00:10 at the same time I've reached the point where the power requirement is so ridiculously high that the average player who doesn't delve too much into the enhancements and items evolution etc can't progress the power requirement near chapters five or six requires me to further enhance my character with items that I that I don't even have and grind so much that's like borderline annoying and the level cap is so he goes on about the specifics of the game that I obviously like I feel like you should explain beforehand so that we'd understand the context of what the problem is here but overall you are unable to progress very quickly by playing it this way I enjoy the story and I enjoy the game but I won't spend a single cent on the game even if
Starting point is 03:00:50 I enjoy near tremendously hindering the casual non-playing non-paying player not being able to continue is pretty annoying what do you guys think of this I'm just like I have heard nothing of reincarnation since it's come out this is the first at all I've heard anyone talking about it same here and that's that's a bummer to hear that the stories are interesting but it it makes you grind and suffer gacha is gacha game gacha gonna gatch you know hey I have some flash news for you that's actually somewhat important do you remember the PlayStation 4 issue with the CMOS battery and worrying that yes shit like that would be permanently fucked up mm-hmm there was a update that went out to the 9.0 ps4 update
Starting point is 03:01:50 seems to have fixed the c-bomb issue people were testing it on ps4s that have dead batteries games no longer crash on startup and trophies are still earnable but the trophy earned dates are blank so it looks like they removed the online component portion for some of those version checks and trophy things okay you just have to get the update onto the console which any new console sold after a certain date would have it and right to update it at some point that's great hey that is good it's good that the way it's supposed to work will now work and it won't just fucking die thank you it looks like as long as your ps4 can turn on and connect to the internet to to get the the system software update uh you'll be fine and you can manually update it
Starting point is 03:02:54 with a usb drive yeah so there you go yeah all right let's take another one over here uh ragav says has anyone been done dirtier than churno alpha did anyone get dropped harder after getting hyped up than poor churno alpha who couldn't even get a punch out it sucks churno alpha looks so cool so cool such a tragedy um i often make reference to tiger hawk in beast wars being just a fucking look how cool it is nope it's fucking dead character was tiger hawk even like shown on screen yeah yeah dramatically dramatically they fused and rose and you see the cool wings and everything oh man i'm looking at them now they're so cool um but uh let's see if we can't get something else since i always i always bring
Starting point is 03:03:59 that up um you ever play winback okay well real early in winback there's a dude who you meet the black guy because you have to save a bunch of your squad and like you meet the guy in winback and like you're like you make a plan for like how you're gonna you know be like okay let's work together you know we're gonna we're gonna stop this situation and stuff and whatever and then you you you go all right like game time three two one break kind of thing and then like the black guy that you save runs out of cover and immediately gets sniped in the head right after meeting him and it's just one of these most unb like of the whole like black guy getting black guy dies first type things like one of the most ridiculous brutal insane ones
Starting point is 03:04:57 because you just meet him you you save him you make the plan you're gonna roll out together you're like all right this will be the homie maybe and then he just gets fucking did like missed it you know the second he leaves cover i have one and it's up to every person's personal interpretation if it counts as another black guy getting it early uh decoy octopus yeah gets it real real bad yeah yeah man what a weird trope i wonder why it came about don't think too hard here hello we got one coming in from uh paulo says
Starting point is 03:05:57 hello patrick and willsworth one of my favorite underrated moments um was in uh the live in the dream lp when you freaked out about how op stef curry was calling him the metanite of basketball just wanted to give an update five years later his approach was so potent that it warped the meta of the nba like a sick video game three pointers were not as popular before curry got big and now they're everywhere defensive formations are now more spread out since people are scoring threats from further away um and smaller players can still be potent because they shoot good in fact the league as a whole is not as tall as it used to be it reached comical conclusion in 2017 2018 with the houston rockets the team literally shot more three point
Starting point is 03:06:45 attempts than two point shots and they were winning um all while curry was still racking up video game levelish high scores uh so the metanite of basketball was way more apt than you realized the whole sport warped around his approach to the ball it's hilarious it's it's it's wild to me because like three pointers are hard but they're worth more so if you can find a guy who can just hit him you should you should get that guy yeah no it you know like i mean it's worth more do you give it enough time and if there's a thing that that you can create a machine to do like you know like um what in in fucking quidditch what's the thing the uh the snitch yeah right like you catch the snitch you win the game so you know give it a couple generations of sport and then would
Starting point is 03:07:45 there not just be snitch catching beasts that make the rest of the game completely obsolete you know yeah makes sense makes sense um and uh let's take one here from cap who says hey van and panello hate club out of the most yeah those two characters suck ass out of the most potent spite you've seen i've been uh i set out on a very specific quest of measuring how long each main character uh okay blah they're talking about the most ignored main characters and oh good one um i wanted to measure how long each main character is on screen across all of kingdom hearts long story short from one all the way to three totaling 47 hours kairi is in less than two just under four percent of the
Starting point is 03:08:44 series that she supposedly a main character of um three literally she's the she's the big three yeah she's in a three literally throws her in a time to hyperbolic time chamber so she can job near the end of the game she's the most ignore main character of a series i can think of um unless you have others i really don't even from a distance i could tell that kairi would get the short end of the stick two out of 47 is fucking brutal that's insane um uh i don't know i can't think of anyone else that is like hyped up and built in that way i mean the the only the only one i can actually think of is the one that the email starts with with vaughn in that you get to about a third of the way through
Starting point is 03:09:42 final fantasy 12 and they start telling vaughn to get out of the way of the camera and shut up while the adults are talking but what but the impression i've always gotten is that the game still cares about vaughn it's just that everyone that plays the game doesn't no no that's not true okay the game stops caring about vaughn it it's it's like you you get to you get you get to meet uh friends like fucking uh what do you call it um village and like vaughn just shows up at the end of the conversation to ask like some weirdly insensitive question and everyone just stares at him like he's a fucking idiot and then he then a bosh and ash and some political people start doing shit and he tries to interject and they're like shut up shut up move like go over there eat
Starting point is 03:10:40 your crayons uh yeah well i guess you answered it paolo excuse me that was cap actually i scrolled past one uh that somebody mentioned the uh no uh kairi kairi kairi yamsha kairi gotta hear with that luna freya luna fucking freya oh man it's definitely her oh man there's that's gotta be the worst see i was i didn't finish so i was assuming that there was some luna freya coming the first time she's on screen and gets to talk to a character she dies not joking not a joke okay she literally shows up and dies spoilers i don't care i don't even care and neither should you okay
Starting point is 03:12:05 well i guess i'll just never play the rest of that you know what that's fine you best final fantasy ever hey man don't fucking look at me on that one all right so they they want they want you to like take a photo that's important near the end of the game of your friends or you and her or whatever and everybody i know took a shot of fucking noctis wearing the cup noodle hat or just the cup noodle i thought it was kenny
Starting point is 03:12:56 noctis in the in the penguin i don't even remember that there's there's the the penguin that you can sit next to on the bench christ i i don't even remember that the crow yeah and the big dude yeah the Kenny the crow mm-hmm oh i thought you meant like a real crow no yeah like yeah yeah that guy's all right all right we did it bye everybody that's good that's good all right there you go podcast over get out of here

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