Castle Super Beast - CSB 173: Pro-Skubbers Say Hydrossity

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

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I I I I I'm so glad when I'm going down on the timeline, and I see the wooly versus upload and And I see together Yeah, and it's just like Been waiting for fucking

So months. Yeah, that one. Okay, so I got to Reichard that took a while because of The quest lines. Oh, yeah. No, you fail all those and and I wanted to make sure that I I was You know able to do as much at the house as possible So I had to wait till I got to Juno You know in order to go back and finish that one off. I got all the way up to the door It's crazy how far into the game you have to go to finish that quest line Compared to how early you can get to the door now. I guess my my my curiosity is let's say you just go through it Like a normal sane person who assumes the boss door is meant to be completed after you get to it

right what Do you does it just turn all of that dialogue off and you just don't get to sort of that's right? Yeah, you just you just miss out on all the shit What happens when you beat Reichard is that the wife moves from Into the room to the other spot and then although, you know, that's that breaks everything. Yeah, okay So you just lose a lot more context there man, yeah Boy, I grass you you've done this fight like five times now

Right. It's it's just it's you got a weird thing and you got the sword that is for the weird thing And this is definitely the best one they've done absolutely. So that's what I was saying. I'm like they have solved the set piece battle That was fun. It was a lot. It was fantastic the Your your storm ruler moment in a real fight though, you know, yeah and and an interesting one too and that like You get a you get a build switch up. So I took I took off my fists I took off, you know, you have to get rid of bloodhound for that moment. So I'm like, okay, let's go let's go back to

the usual set and then Yeah, I took some I took some deaths on that fight for sure, but I really loved the spectacle It's it's the kind of thing where it's been It's been a problem with from software games in terms of spectacle because You were always going to roll in with what you were going to roll in on Mm-hmm And so you go back to Dragon God

Which is the solution to that was that you don't get to fight the boss in any way at all Mm-hmm. You're you're literally running to checkpoints. Yeah. Yeah, and then you get to bed of chaos in which you also don't get to fight The boss at all you're running to checkpoints and the solution was all we made Sekiro and what we discovered was that what we don't have to do is make a boss that anybody can beat because The the requirements are really simple. What we have to do is give the player character a way to be a locked character For just this one moment Make you feel like you're doing cooler things in this set piece instead of using just you to run around a maze and pull lovers

Yeah, mm-hmm the dragon in Sekiro. Absolutely It kind of is that fight Mm-hmm. It's very similar and Yeah, that that you know that phase two as well opens up in a way where like it Starts bringing out stuff and apparently there was a big sword move that I missed out on but it's not like You are

Like you can definitely Get the timing of that down learn to charge the stuff heavy attacks and just crumple the fuck out of it And you know, oh, yeah, like there's a there's a way to do that sequence clean That you can pick up on But I'm glad that Coming back to it after all this time was saving it for you know getting to the mountaintop and stuff that I was still able to like Have a challenge there feel some feel some of the burn, you know, um, you know what the trick with that is right? Mm-hmm The the damage off the fucking off the fucking sword is set to his fucking HP

It's a it's a it's a base level sword that's meant to fight him at his standard values You can upgrade that weapon. I did and when oh you did I did. Oh You shit ass I Did because it was like like that was like wait what they're just gonna let you do that and then you just take it over and like Yeah, I have a I'm not using anything that uses somber So I fucking I spent my somber on it because I have no other use for it. Oh fuck Yeah Okay, well you got to really give it to him then cuz fuck

But but still a ton of fun got to got to truly experience that and I think I think what what might have been the Implication honestly because you're talking about like oh man You have to get to basically the last or second the last zone of the game to clear out the you know The manor quests right and I'm like was the intention that you go in with the baseline sword and Get your fucking shit rekt and then come back later with it more upgraded Huh, I don't know he would you had any easier time It doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like it's meant for that though It feels like the fact that you can get a big guaranteed crumple and and and our guaranteed stagger

Um off of those charged bits. It's it feels as if you you're meant to just be able to do it I'm seeing folks say that you didn't use mimic because that's what I did to crumple the fucking piss out of them Oh, I did it with no summons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cuz mimic mimic will just use the fucking thing That's yeah, gotcha. Gotcha. Okay, just just fucking beat on him So no, I guess I guess this is the part where I should probably like clarify that like yeah You know this is for my like there's a whole There's an ever-going discussion about you know, whatever What my build is and what it should be and some people say this some people say that whatever it's all noise

but you'll get there one day, but what I'm doing for my own For for my thrill seeking for me to to you know seek out the spectacle as it were is Yeah, I'm going in I've got my bloodhound step because that makes it really feel fun to move on but I'm also I'm not I'm not pulling in the mimic or I'm not pulling in the the summons on a lot of these fights because I Want to give it a straight shot and see how that feels Though I do like like I to me though I feel the spectacle of like a 2v2 or a team thing is really cool

So I like to pull in a summon when it's an asymmetrical battle, but Asymmetrical battles feel built around having more targets Mm-hmm, and then you either get the the remainders of the 2v1 or you get the 2v1 at you or something happens But that feels like a really fun thing. So But yeah, I'm doing that I did that and I'm doing a bunch of the others without without it the summons And that made the other boss I fought in that session fucking phenomenal as well because as I'm talking about the asymmetrical aspect Captain O'Neill Was also in that same run

That's the That's the peg leg with the lightning blade on his foot. I Feel like I wait in the in the in the castle castle flag. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's a fuck. He's so cool and He calling in he was calling in the boys and I'm like, okay got two nights to deal with you run around pick your shots, you know but Two things I saw but between those two fights. Yeah, they learned how to deal with the spectacle and then O'Neill to me also represents like the

Them getting the best out of ads right because yeah, I would say so right what fucking sucks about ads is they distract They're an annoyance, but you deal with them then you go deal with the main thing And then you spend your time or whatever and then at a certain point that goes, okay I reset time to redo the ads again and you feel like a Hype decompression moment where the ads come back in the fight. Yeah With this he calls in to and then every other dub buff he does makes them stronger Because that's the flight of the rallying cry ability But then once they're gone, he's like, okay, now I enter a phase two. That's all it is

Yeah, the faster you kill them the faster he enters phase two and You can prolong it for phase one But ultimately that is the best way to preserve that feeling by not having the re-add moment So it's funny that you mentioned that I don't I don't particularly care for that fight myself But what's interesting is that you can't I understand what you're trying to get across like in terms of like this Is a good way to use ads There's a similar guy to him Which is I think so the one you're talking about I think is actually Neil neat. There's Neil. Yeah, okay

There's Neil and there's O'Neill. Yes. Yes, okay. Oh one's in Caleb. Yeah, and the thing about him is that he is The worst ad boss That from soft has ever made ever because it's the only ad boss I can think of in the history of from software games that Enemies can actually wander in from outside from outside the zone It's an open space. Just attack you. I had fucking clean rot nights Just yeah enter the yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought they were part of it at a point. They are not Yeah, I thought they were part of it when that happened

No, so that's it like yeah the Caleb version of that fight very different also the The phase he goes into solo is not at all comparable. No, whereas in this case He just becomes this fucking insane Lightning god, you know doing giant drop kicks on you So the fact that it goes into a badass like 1v1 right afterwards is super sick So I very much enjoyed that at Castle Soul Yeah You're you're you're way in there now, right?

It feels like I'm going you're you're you're like you mean you've seen snow mm-hmm, which is is Way in there. I think you only have two major things left to go for Is it not like Just absurd Now that you've seen what the path air quotes actually is How much of the game is not the path? Yeah, like yeah like

Godric Rinala more got and then on and it's just like like 99.9 percent of the game is Is just there for you if you feel it It really is there like this is you know their approach to an open world It's it's if you're gonna if you're gonna design a Dark Souls open world, you know Like you're gonna have to figure out some shit

Their way of doing it was to just really put it all out there But the whole thing too that I guess This is something that I think we like the idealized version of the marketing plan, which is like Open vista go anywhere, you know that breath of the wild looking over the moment. I Do feel that now we're in an age where it's it's expected It's known that there is a community play of the game that is going to be People are good that people are gonna be checking in on like quest lines and people are gonna be

Revering to the internet for information about all these It's always been kind of part of the part of the The feel of these games is that ever we're all doing it. We're all doing it together. Yes, exactly, right? Like your your code the community is is parsing together which options lead to what with NPC quest lines went to go Do what and so on so Because that factor is so expected and and strong I feel that like that is always going to dull the It's a big world out there because there's gonna be like yeah, but we highly recommend you go this way if you if you go to this

Like the facts for life and read the you know the order of things to go in or whatever You can get a very guided version of the game You can get a very assisted version of the game with like summons and helps and multiplayer the grace is guiding you as well So and you can there's main roads to so like Yeah, the roads is what what really stands out to me is that there is an unironic highway Mm-hmm through the whole game That there is there's a like a almost a death stranding like Main road that you can follow for the

Fast fast majority of the game straight through all the way to the end with a crazy taxi arrow at every bonfire Yeah, you know, so Those things do really just like yeah, you can you can just walk that path, you know Your curiosity is gonna get the better of you when you look over to the left and see a giant fucking whatever and you're like I want to go see what that is but It does it does keep it in that lane and then I'm thinking about just like yeah, I'm imagining a lot of people Went through like it like I mean, I guess we'll have to see the feedback from folks but I imagine a lot of people went through and like

checked Fextra life for like weapon discovery Build things Things that you're just like I just want to know this now to not waste my time I imagine people check it for that and for NPC obtuse-ness And then otherwise just like wander

To the degree that you're willing to and when you don't feel like wandering anymore, you can like the it depends switch back to this community version of the Recommended path personally. I am personally of the opinion the vast majority of people Wondered as they would for their first run, but would run into the situation of I would like a thing that I suspect is here So for a good example for you would be you knew there were gonna be punch weapons in the game 100% But where yeah, right and that that would be most

Most people's use of externalized information. I feel like the the average person's interaction with Elden Ring is less text-based and more water cooler More oh Hey, I was planning bro. Did you get this part of this did that? Yeah With the one exception being NPC quest lines, which are as obtuse and absurd as ever I

Also like farming things. Oh, yeah Excuse me, let's see. Yeah, like farming materials or you know Where to get your next fucking smithing stone It's really funny that you mentioned farming materials because I had a situation with that where they One of the patches buffed drop rates of regular I Tighten smithing stones, right like the the regular threes or fours, right? And so I go, okay Hey, is anyone playing the game right now? Have you figured out where the new?

Drop locations for these things because you know some people would say oh two's now drop off a regular soldier here You know that kind of thing right and the response I got was overwhelming Lee Just go to this place and get the item that Let's you buy them from the shop Mm-hmm, and I'm like no, that's not like the item to buy six level stones is in fucking Altus Plateau I'm I'm in Riley. I just want to know if any of the guards drop a fucking Just go and get the bell from the and it's like it's this weird thing where The ease of access to information

Means that people don't search for a lot of that information anymore So once all the bell locations got found everyone's like we'll just go get the bell, right? Well, who cares if they drop it anymore? And you only find out some of the stuff if you're crazy enough to listen to people like illusory wall Who put up a great series in which he's like hey, did you know that the map is like changing per patch? Like the the the picture map huh is changing and roads that used to go nowhere are being removed and Landmasses that don't actually exist are being cleaned up. Huh? interesting I

Guess that's to streamline it even further so When you went to carry a manner, right? Mm-hmm. Did you look at the map and there's a weird highway that went straight into a cliff next to carry a manner I? Don't recall on the map. So here's think it existed on the map, but not in reality and illusory wall suspects that there used to be a A actual landmass there

They changed it okay, so that like there's no road that points to Jarberg anymore Okay, on the map and that was very recent. That was the last one I mean the the map is so accurately detailed down to like the rubble on the ground at points Yeah, that's clearly an artist traced over this 3d. Yeah, except the parts through it was horribly inaccurate Which so that means they took yeah cleaned up over time interesting Um Yeah, no, it is and so there was there was those moments. There was certainly the the the the great Reichard Fight and then I had a I had a proper little

Test because you know this has been Known but like I have Commodizer doing the Kamihamiha. That's just awesome It's a good spell man, and then and then you pick up the infinite fp and then it goes Oh, this is the content deleter and Welcome welcome two months ago. So I yeah, and I had so I pulled it off and I landed it on a couple of things here and there Where they would dodge out of the way, but like eat a little bit of it and lose like 30% in one shot or whatever and then I wrote over to

the Erdshree on The mountaintop and then yeah the fucking avatar pops out there I I'm like, okay. This is it We're doing it the full the full lab the full science experiment beam it it splits into two walk sideways Beam it again within five seconds the entire fight is gone, and I go back to the box you go This is this is it want to I want to point out that post nerf It doesn't matter that's yeah, no, but it's like there's it's it's one of it's one of those things in a game

Where it's this fun little balancing problem where the idea is a problem Yeah, the the very concept of this spell is a problem because it's either gonna be fucking too good Or it's gonna not worth be casting. There's absolutely no middle ground at all Yeah, no the absolute annihilation of the fight in its entirety just made me Immediately like crumple in my heart, and I'm like I have this is going away. This is not like now You know if you call in If you call in like back in the day like a bunch of really good people to help like destroy a boss or something like it would go down in

Longer time than this beam makes the fight go down in you know type of oh, yeah And and the the the tier and the comet were both patched for this specific thing And it's like you can't there's no number you can tweak That's gonna make it not worth it unless you make it complete garbage Hmm and And and this is this is the this is the fun Z right because when you look at like what I was talking about earlier like the the sprint Right the sprint through Elden Ring with all remembrances, which is a

Lot that's that's not just optional. That's right. It's down to an hour and 40 Whereas your average Dark Souls speed runs about 20, right? So it's actually comparable So if you really want you can go well, I know where the comet is I know where the tier is and just go to it. Yeah in most cases Stuff isn't even in your way and the sprint up off the floor and the and in this case now If you're looking at this type of tech the sprint also includes the boss deletion So you really can just do this in time to the game people people There's a there's a great Vati video

Where he just says okay? Here's where you can get to on your horse in the first hour to just pick up like eight shards All these upgrades for your flask All these upgrade materials the smithing stone here just boom boom boom boom boom boom boom The like bloodhounds step and all that stuff, but even then like yeah No walk over to the tier walk over to the comet pick it up go get the goddamn Staff in blight town that you should go pick up Mm-hmm, and then just walk into the level one dungeon

Walk in a storm veil and just delete fucking Godric in four seconds and Then and then do it to runala and then do it to fucking a snake boy and then do it to redone and then it's It's wild and it's wild that that is like Something that you can do that is not a specialized build It doesn't require your sport your points to be you know your your spec to be a particular thing for this crazy Interaction that oh my god destroys this fight. It's like it's it's in the normal range of play so every time

From software game comes out the easy mode conversation starts up again and it and It's always it can measure it with how how popular the game is because there's a large group of people that want to play it But feel like they can't and then there's That that amount of people scales with how big the game is in the public consciousness, right? So Elden Ring is by far the biggest they've put out it hit the widest audience, but on Ironically the Azure Comet like video

Did an enormous amount of damage to that discourse in which like I need an easy mode and then people go okay Here it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and if you want a you want a slightly less easy mode Here's the faith equivalent or here's the bleed equivalent or here's the like it's actually all there It's just whether or not you have the knowledge to actually go get it Yeah, and I mean and and you know obviously 60 inches is a very high number to have to get to but I mean if you're dedicating You're you're billed towards a thing You're gonna put hit that point and yeah, you know or you could or you can respect to it

It's interesting to me that like yeah, I guess just between that and between like moon veil and some of that other stuff I'm kind of just You know I seeing and and certainly feeling how good like bloodhound step is There's definitely the also the the part of that where it's like where does that fit into that list of The crazy one step is probably the best thing in the entire game would it be what it in in it's It's like the best possible role that you could ever have it it changes the mechanics of the way you ink Deal with everything in the entire game. Mm-hmm. And like

The and the reason why it just like sinks up so well with what I enjoy is because it's a defensive mechanic instead of an offensive one Yeah, you know and like just in that nature you change how I feel You know, it's it's quite revealing. It is interesting to see because like I am Feeling my my game like amplified by having that type of mobility and It is and it's not and it's not a damaging thing. It's the it's the opposite side of it You know, it's the the way Elden Ring is balanced is really fascinating to me because I mean we've talked ad nauseam We it's usually about fighting games, but applies to everything like the the the goal of the of the perfect 5-5 Utopia of everything's perfectly balanced often sucks a lot of the fun out because it removes a lot of the uniqueness I

Feel like I genuinely believe that the the original pressed disc version of Elden Ring Was not only not built to be a 5-5 utopia in terms of balance I feel like it actually unironically did not receive a final balancing pass at all Hmm and as a result The the game in its it's 1.0 state is very very Unconcerned with things being too weak or too strong Because a lot of stuff and I mean a lot of stuff is Obviously too strong or obviously too weak and then over the past five patches

they have Just smoothed off the the most razor edge of the knife point and sharpened some of the more blunt ones to Bring it from 9-1 matchups all the way around to But yeah, it feels as if the the existing Framework of it's allowed to be too hard. You can call for help if you want it Yeah, has been like like that's cemented and that still exists But within that there's enough people that are like, yeah, I'm probably still not gonna do that and then it's like, okay

Well, then within what is not following that that pathway There's your your that that's the likelihood of you trapping up across a busted Weapon or build of some kind is extraordinarily high extraordinarily high You don't you don't do something Like put moon veil or the blasphemous blade You you have the ability to unlock blasphemous blade now because you killed Reichart But you won't be able to use it because it's fire. Oh, that's that's what his soul gives, right? Yeah, the blasphemous blade is is the faith's

Completely busted nonsense. Okay Was it the vampire sword? It is the vampire sword anything that dies in your vicinity heals you and it's it it does like a massive Command and not commandment does like a power geyser Goes like a hundred feet and knocks down everything. Oh, wow damage. It's so busted. You don't put something like that or Like the bloodhound step or Azure's Comet into a game when you're worried about them being too strong Mm-hmm, like they're too strong. They're obviously Obviously, obviously too strong, but they're fucking fun to use

Yeah, it makes me that's it I'm very curious like if This like patch game will continue Long-term or if it'll just stop they'll drop some DLC and then kind of call it I feel it. I feel it the the distance in between The last two patches was much longer and there weren't any Balance changes on the last one. Okay, so until until DLC it feels like we're done This is what they wanted. Okay. This is this is I'm still I'm still just sitting here

Just wondering in my heart of hearts because it's always been the most it's always been the thing of like where is Where's the DLC not in terms of location, but in terms of time, right? So Artorias was obviously supposed to be the last thing that you did Right, it's Manus is a fuck and all that stuff and the Dark Souls 2 stuff was obviously supposed to be the last thing You did because it was super super tough, right? How much of a power move would it be for Elden Ring to come out and go here's the new 30-hour DLC Campaign that's a whole new continent or whatever it's a new peninsula and you you reach it post capital

Yeah Like Months and they haven't even seen the capital I mean, you know in in souls it would be you know, three new areas and Four new bosses. Yeah, no, it would literally be three new Areas and they would each be visually and mechanically different and five bosses So this would have to be a new I a new fucking continent. Yeah Yeah, so that the DLC situation for for Elden Ring is in the situation of like, oh cool

I hope they add a DLC pack that costs $12 that is larger than the entirety of Dark Souls 1 Like what like what like right right right? Yeah That's insane Like they could just put it underground You know it would be fun tons of room under there never gonna happen, but it would be fun to see something Officially put out that was like here is our like actual in-universe item randomizer where like a chaos path leads to Something that lets you you have a full remix of the experience

I wish you know the randomizer that they their work that they're working on I'm not sure if it's out yet for the Elden Ring is Like really really wild because it also randomizes all the bosses and you'll get stuff And what you'll get is the first name of the so almost every boss in the game is blah blah the blah blah and so the location will actually denote the second half Okay So you'll get stuff like redawn the fell omen In front of in front of Storm Vale

Okay That's funny and Yeah, I think an in-game an in-game official randomizer that just made sure that all key items Where where they needed to be would be a fun thing to throw in there. So like man This is perfect Because you are the perfect person for me to ask this question because a built-in randomizer in a game is an incredibly rare feature I can only think of one one game ever that ever had it and it was reasonable to for the n64 had a version That would auto-randomize the item placement

Randomizers seem like hell to test Um Yeah, the the thing you would do is you would create a Wide variable test matrix that is essentially like Your promise would be we are going to do Multiple runs will give you a number x runs over x periods of time and in that process We'll see if anything goes wrong just based on the randomization

it will not be a guarantee that there won't be anything wrong but due to the impossibility of Approaching every single solution or every single variability here the moment a randomized element gets introduced into QA You have to then put limitations on your test scope Yeah, so perfect example for this is when we had to and I'm worried we're gonna be talking about QA a little bit more today as well but a Really a really standout example for me is when I had to Create a plan for how the test cases we're gonna go for scribble knots if you've ever played Remember that fucking game is it's a it's a fun little thing where you write words and you can create

Infinite solutions to solve problems based on whatever words you can think of to create objects in the game that might just solve it It's impossible. It's impossible to do the full scope And if you have a studio that is promising they will do the full scope then they're lying to you but You have to just take it and go like alright We'll test the rest of the game normally, but this randomizer element will just we'll have to do a Solid number of playthroughs and hit the credits make sure that you can and just you know If we can see if we can go from top to bottom and and run into no randomizing issues

Over the course of God knows how many like, you know Whatever a hundred runs through Then that's the best we're giving you, you know, it's not and there might still be other other things that can occur But this is the best use of our time and that's the best certainty you can have towards this feature And if there's anything you can do on the back end to like unrandomize a key location Unrandomize a door opening, you know item or something like that the disc So the discs to open up the fucking lifts should not be randomized, you know, yeah As long as you sort those out then it should be okay

Yeah, so it reminds me of the discussion the Hello games. I think it is they made no man's sky. They talked about like well, how do you bug test? One should trillion planets Right and the answer was we made robots like they made AI routines that would go to planets and scan them and try and recognize like obviously destroyed geometry or What not and just ran them for like a year and then the game came out and like hey, guess what? tons of planets are Burnt and fucked. Yeah, there's no way like come on

I don't I'm not gonna say that AI QA is at a place where that's effective just yet Certainly, sir, maybe some tools that could help someone identify something sure if there's a way to You know Do some sort of a collision or or Z-fighting recognition, you know, then perhaps but like if you're just using that for the majority of your test then like no That's not gonna work. You need eyeballs But yeah for a randomizer, I think that would be the case and then you know what? Let's say you got to a point where they were like, okay, we're fairly certain this is gonna be fine

But there's always a chance that it's not then that would be a point where the game can just be like hey guys If you're doing randomized mode warning It's kind of crazy. It may break shit might be wild shit might break shit might have you know And if it does maybe here's a little undo button to you know Remix or reseed that area next time you load it up and just go up change the randomizer the current one I got is bad, you know let me Because I'm gonna look up the randomizer for Elden Ring and

See if there is an item like description Key item randomization is supported Okay, so that's interesting so the Elden Ring randomizer on the Nexus has two variations Or actually has multiple variations. Do you want items? Do you want enemies? Do you want key items? So you could run it enemies and most items? But not key items so the key items will all be in their proper locations Regardless of what is there to meet you? Yeah Yeah, okay solve that problem

File cannot hook them as a result or more options go offline automatic mod engine manual mod set up You'd select options. I Mean key items randomized is just that's just like pure chaotic evil. That's just there's no no Well, I mean it means you must now go scrape every single Fucking everything means that me in the in the key item randomizer of Elden Ring If that works as I would assume it means they might have like the key item to open up the door in the Capital in one of those little skulls on the side Yeah, no, it means that like the one person that beats that is going to be

Known and as it'll be a news story when they crack it on twitch the first full true key item randomizer has been defeated You know like yeah, that's Absolute horseshit. Oh see that little fucking bird over there that flew away. No, that's that's the key to the final door There it goes I think I've brought it up before but have you ever gotten look like your eyes on the Metroid a super Metroid link to the past randomizer. Oh You told me about this a while ago. Yeah I just wanted to know if you had seen it

Watching it is the most Like schizophrenic confusing fucking thing in the world. I don't know how anybody can manage to to brain it For those you don't know it is a randomizer that Randomizes all the items in super Metroid and okria and and link to the past and then Jams the two games together so that when you walk through a door as Samus into a new room You may enter into a random room in a link to the past Hyrule and Have to pick up like missile upgrades in like Hyrule Castle and The hook shot in like the bottom of seven. It's the fucking weirdest goddamn thing in the world

And if you want to get I'm just going back to the idea of the randomizer to like if you want to get really fucking chaotic What if some Some key items are locked inside of NPCs who must now be killed Yeah, who knows If you kill if you kill Bogart you get to punch weapons What if instead of the punch weapons it was the smithing bell for the final upgrade? How would you know before doing it? Did that turtle just drop by the set the entire set

What? Yeah, yeah It's it's but it's that you have to be able to be willing to embrace that chaotic energy and I feel I feel like if from soft was like leaning into some of the The the fan shit they would have done something like this already by now So now that I do have a couple more general questions for you about ring if that's all right with you I just I'm fascinated because you've gotten into so much. So you have a good basis to answer a lot of these

Um really feels Okay, can you hold that thought because I suddenly have to really use the bathroom and no worries I can hold that thought all day BRB Right, so I'm deep in there You're deep in you're deep in that toilet You're in there now now that you spent a lot of time in there. No, but for real um Do you feel that the description of Elden Ring as

Like Dark Souls 4 5 and 6 To hold merit like I felt around the point that I got to where I was at with yours Your playthrough. I was like I feel like every single trick Every single idea every single type of level every single type of boss That I have ever seen Going all the way back to Demon Souls has in some way been represented here Has in some way been remixed or redone referenced

referenced yeah Um, I feel like that is In terms of like the feeling of a giant amount of souls like game to play That is the feeling. Yeah, it feels like you're getting that three and one the four five six thing Makes makes sense in that way all the references are just you know Wearing it all over the their sleeves and even walking into the the mountaintop of the giants and then reading about like the lore there You're like, oh, even the lore is referencing like DS2 So the the weirdest part about that is all the stuff with the giant like it's it's taking what I'm gonna call a Dark Souls idea

Right, so let's talk like let's talk about fire, right? fire is a primal force in Elden Ring in the same way that it's a primal force in Dark Souls right but we're in Dark Souls where flame is good and it's it lightens things up And it gives people power they take the same kind of fire worship and twist it into like this gross yellow fucking thing This this awful fucking shit I mean, yeah, I have I have yet to you know kind of fully understand exactly what's happening with

frenzy and and the three fingers and all that shit, but Um It does if that's is that you're referring to like frenzy and yeah, I'm referring to the yellow flame. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it sucks Yeah, it does took the idea of fire as a primal force A mythical primal force and and turned it like dirty and Then you get yeah, and then you like you get to meet like the contender that like the the protagonist that would have been You know you're you're you're Dark Souls man. You're chosen undead and you mean the guy who looks like

Yeah, like and it's just like and he didn't fucking make it Went nuts went that way fell, you know I Didn't know that that is interesting and Yeah, everything look at the the title art of Elden Ring and it's like bike in almost the same position as the soul of Cinder is in the Dark Souls 3 box art. Hmm. Is it yeah? Yeah, dude They look very similar. The only difference is orange versus blue. I

Really liked the the So the detail like okay, so for me like some of the best line readings in the game so far have been celibus and now Shabriery like Shabri is great. That is such a great instant Characterization of like this dude who's like hey the lore says he's the most hated man, right? We're calling him stink meter in our playthrough because he's just everyone hates that fucker He's the most reviled person who have ever lived and you meet him and he's just like You know like But do you don't you think that it would be sad that your maiden has to be sacrificed?

Like it doesn't that suck, you know, don't you like and it's a very like Reasonable thing about like hey, did anyone ask how she felt about what's happening and you're like, oh That's interesting. Okay. I'm listening to what you're saying and like before you can get out of that same dialogue prompt You know, it's like so that's why you should consider going the other way with it And may chaos take the world like he can't hold it back It's bubbling at the throat and it's just like before the conversation. Yeah, don't he's cat, you know, but but the The front of like Excuse me, sir. Do you have a good moment of your day to hear about the good word?

Here's some some reading material you could check out like before you walk away. He can't hold it in, you know It's it's like really. Okay, so like yeah, no, that's it Like what's the deal with the flame the flame is a worshipped Prival force by a bunch of people who are like, man, things are bad You know, what would be better? If we just burned it all down Yeah, just perfect representation of that immediately It's great

Reanimating the body of someone that you liked to you know, but but it does all sorts of wonderful little remixes Like that. You're like, oh dragons. I fought a lot of dragons in Dark Souls the older the bit the the older and the more covered with rocks the stronger and then the Land sacks or who would or whichever the fuck one is that you fight underground Fortisax, yeah Fortisax shows up and the first thing he does is grab a goddamn lightning bolt out of the sky and throw it at you

After many many many years Yeah, good dragon lightning Shoot the tree. Yeah, they do it as the reverse of the of the intro at you totally That stuff is no, they're having fun with those references there's a bunch of smokes just standing around his units on the map, you know I mean just yeah, no No, no pretending and and well, not just the the the prelates, but also the I would say that the the Godskin nobles to you know Yeah With the big fat drop whole game

Without fully understanding what the deal with the Godskins are As in like what? Like what their deal is who are they? I still not super sure Um, I mean They don't like divine beings that's fairly clear Well, so based on our little lore hunting that we do we were able to piece together that they are They are those who worshipped destined death or the root of death

before Maleketh came along and said fuck you and They probably didn't like that very much And then the other thing being that they've got their weapons which are because they're using the rune of death able to Actually slay and carve the skin of gods, which is super fucked up And if you're the end and my theorizing was that if you're the only one around That can do that because you can kill something that otherwise shouldn't die Of course, you're gonna flex and wear its skin and be like yeah, look at me motherfucker This is what I can do and just be insane a buffalo bill with it, you know

And You know, I mean we're waiting to find out more and such but as it seems That's that's what they're there. They're you know services towards and as a result the the monks are From that area are also part of that same group and then it says it makes reference to the fact that they yeah They serve the root of death and and thus The Glomide Queen and and so yeah, which who the fuck will others There's there's there's constant and consistent references to a variety of what I'm gonna call

extraterrestrial deities Not in that they're outer gods, but the outer gods that are not around the blood god the Glomide Queen the You know all the the whole get the whole outer gang Which the fun feel feels like that would be the DLC roster the fun I'm also seeing in This is that like Let like the whole we know we talked about like this they thought all these different status elements You got the rot you got the frost and whatever and then like you're like, you know, whenever we run out

We can just start fucking combining them. Here's flame blood. Here's ice lightning, right? Yeah, why not? You could just throw any two words together and create a new type of element And and a new ailment in the in that matter So that shit is just happening as well and making me wonder like how many more combos are they gonna start fucking around with? Don't know yeah Ice lightning is probably the most interesting one by far Or it's like here's what lightning is like really I don't know Figure it out. You can you do an ice thing? Yeah, well try and do an ice thing that looks like lightning, okay?

Okay, will the weapon when it's buffed to do lightning damage or ice damage? Pick one what do you think go to your status change see what it looks like? Yeah, it's It's it's it's it's definitely though like Wow, like that that that DS four five and six thing aside though There's an overall feeling of like but it's also strongly trying to do its own thing in terms of Like riding around with your horse is just a different game man, you know, yeah, like it's just not the whole thing the the a lot of the easy mode stuff fell away because

Elden ring unlike Dark Souls Allows you to actually disengage from problems Hey, I don't know how to beat this right now. Okay, leave Right in a Dark Souls game at some point you would hit the point where you're like well I can go fight this guy or this guy or this guy Right and that's my only options and I can't beat any of them whereas here. It's like well Godrics really beat my ass Turns out there's one a million other places I could go instead

This is something interesting that popped up last time too that I'll say is the Discovery of abilities because you're talking about like the vampire abilities right the discovery of shit that is really strong and Hyper contextual so I tried out the vampire rune that you get for Who's was it I forget who's rune but The oh right excuse me right cards. Yeah, you put on right cards. Yeah. Yeah, right. That's right. Yeah And then you can now vampire from enemies and then you can put on the talisman as well And they they stack with each other so you're getting anything with the blade all of that together, right?

So without the blade just using the stack with the rune on it You are healing Solid amounts after everything dies and that is really really useful to have as long as you're in a legacy dungeon The moment you're back out on the map. It's pointless. Oh, yeah Why would you need it at all? Who cares sips come back every two seconds. Hey, man You want to talk about balancing? Here's a balancing problem Godric's rune It's the best one It ends up paying dividends towards the end

Yeah, so you know how we're dawn's rune gives you more health Yeah Yeah, Godric's gives you more health because 5-vit is more than the health that you would get from we're dawn's rune And it gives you 35 other levels on top of that See what I was told was that though those five levels start to mean way less as You get way and way higher up so that by the end of the game The diminishing returns on the other stuff is not as worth a hundred percent It is the best one all the way up until you hit caps for every

Okay, yes. Yes. Yes. What's your right? Yeah, but like at that point you're at cap for everything so like Because I was rocking a sore seal I decided to so I was trying about and I just switched and I think of the my preference landed on Morgots because of how fucking huge the life buff is like yeah, I'm a little bit soft But like and I have you know more I'm wearing something a little bit sturdier for armor now But like in exchange, I'ma just put my life bar to half the fucking screen. Yeah, that's nice the sore seal is another one of those things that it's like

The sore seal gives you extra health and the math on it is the same as prisoner's chain in Dark Souls 3 Where it's like if you're using any of the stats that this increases, which of course you are because one of them is health Mm-hmm, put it on. There's no reason not put it on and that's kind of a bummer that like It's it's like a like a light not not like a perfect like a locked slot Like like FAP used to be in some of the games or it's like why would you ever not wear FAP? I'm I've been looking back and forth at the sore seal as I like I'm trading off the damage for the for the amounts And I'm not a cap yet in certain things. So I'm just like, yeah, no, I'm still it's still beneficial. It's still helping

I'm not opposed to it's a switching off once it it The ones that the the the returns diminish so to speak, but yeah I think we're gonna see another balance pass when the DLC comes out because the DLC weapons are all gonna be super fucked I fully expect I Fully expect there to be a katana that does rot at some point. Oh God, I mean There's the weapons that do rot are so far and few in between and the one that was there was fucking broken Like I think it's like two things and like one of them with the rapier

Just like you upgrade it past five and then it just stops doing rot This is why yeah, no those all got fixed But like the the rapier is nuts because like you don't eat what why would you use it for damage? You just put it on and poke them one two three four and then you switch to what you really want and then you but like yeah No, but like a fucking rivers of rot We'll be we'll be coming like there's a rivers of blood katana, which is the bleed katana Everybody memes on because okay, it's it's a super powerful katana that also does super high bleed

So it just eats everything. Okay, it's like well, there's no rot equivalent There's no ice equivalent of that weapon Like look forward to that Well, so and that's where an appeal that like some things where I'm like in a PvP context, which I know nothing about I'm looking at like the Moog rune and it's like. Oh, this must just be a PvP annihilator because you have these things like like debuffs and bleeds and Rotten such and like when they're on you get buffed by putting it on people You know so like the fact that you can build a build that it's like it's not quite vampire

But it's the moment I make you weaker. I get extra strong So this whole thing just becomes insane like that's checkmate at that point That's it's nuts But for again very contextual use Yeah, so Elden ring continues and it feels like we're getting there It's good. You are you are definitely entering into Like the end of the game like

You you still use definitely still have a way to go and some roadblocks to encounter But you're in what I would call the final straight basically as soon as you see snow Mm-hmm. It's like yeah, I'm doing it. Oh unfortunately and and is that like The final stretch like the you've been it you've been out in the snow You've been in the open world in those. Oh, yeah, the Xamarinites are telling me Like you finally have context for what I was telling you if like the instant you you pass through those doors like everybody's numbers get like doubled Like like numerically not not not not their speed not their movesets

Volga militia is still Absolutely fucking annoying and when they do their rank attack that shit can kill you, you know, like yeah Yeah, I it's it's happening But the the Xamarin's in particular though like just yeah, that's the one I always Look back to where I'm like wow they really didn't finish doing the numbers on this game because that area is out of place It's just legitimately was not tuned to its own area

Mm-hmm, and this dude's like this dude's wild and there's like ten of them go nuts Anyways, so yeah, that is continuing of course What else is going on I? This week also finally got to the point where I I beat Most of the unlocked levels in vampire save survivors now Finally got that feel for like the bill is your Sebo look mm-hmm

I basically I I kind of got stuck in a not realizing that the next course of action I needed to do was like Open up those coffins, and then once I opened those coffins You got to get the mechanics, and then you got to get the characters Once I did that then you know everything started flowing and like yeah now I can now I can complete runs And I even got to a point where I got a run that was good enough that I lasted 36 minutes And Six deaths came chasing me, and I was able to avoid them, and basically I was at a point where felt like I could just keep going

Yeah You're you you so you're at the point where if you get all the perfect synergies you can do that There's a later point after the next batch of mechanical upgrades at which point where you will leave the you'll put your controller down And then come back and decide when you want to quit you're right. Okay. Yeah, and that is Yeah, so I guess I'm like you know I there needs to I guess I still have to find the the secret of what it takes to beat them But at the moment it's clearly not just standing there and doing damage. No they they have stupid ass health pools Mm-hmm But that's fun to take the next step of progress and unlock the next set of a characters whose sprites have all been changed and updated

Yeah, they're almost every sprite in the game for all the weapons and all the all the characters have all been upgraded Yeah, just looks I mean it still looks like a Castlevania like sprite rip, but it's doing its own thing a bit more now Yeah, they've the the the recent update added a Thing where if you unlock 100 items in the collection You get what's called a mystery disguise and what that is is allows you to play as the gender swapped version of any character Okay cool

Yeah, and I also unlocked the combo screen that lets you see which two items lead to a third one and Hey, guess what that was added Thursday Okay, yeah, and I'm looking at it And I'm still I'm still a bit confused by a bunch of what I'm looking at there because I'm like is it has a bunch of weapons You've never seen exactly and it has stuff I it has that stuff I've never seen and it has a lot of question marks on it that I don't have So I'm like this is not as helpful for me probably for the next couple hours until I get these things Yeah, so the way it's gonna work is you're gonna do some kind of challenge in the in the so the achievement list is actually like your guide

Like when you go into the unlocks bar on the right and it shows like you would unlock question mark by reaching X with X So you do that and then you unlock a character that has a unique weapon And then the way to unlock the unique weapon for use by everybody is to get that character to level 100 in a In a thing and then after that it would be use that unique weapon on said stage or whatever to minute 31 Or and so on and so forth Yeah, it definitely feels like the the achievements that are leading to more shit have been Yeah, use a survivor for an x period of time and unlock

Level to transformation of an ability and then by doing those two things you should usually get you know some something else big unlocked Um So I know and I and I understand that there's a bunch of secret characters as well with secret there Unlocking requirements that I guess I haven't seen or have done it yet. I have There are four secret characters To have incredibly clear unlock conditions Which is When I say secret I mean like deep-ass secret

There's a bunch of characters that you would unlock by getting more than by getting a you know going so here and whatever There's a couple that are like okay kill them find them as a boss and kill them. They're unlocked Right. Mm-hmm. There's a couple that are like The one that like I've been trying and I really can't get is kill this type of enemy and if you do that there is a 10% chance That a dog will appear on the screen for 10 frames and then you have to hit

Control end on your keyboard before it leaves the screen and then you'll unlock it and I'm like come on man. Jesus Christ. Give me a fucking break Yeah, like Yeah, no seems seems like there's a there's a bunch of Bunch of shit to learn here And I'm and I haven't I haven't seen the the proper metas yet. I'm just I'm feeling it out But that's the fucking that it's it's interesting how this time waster is Evolving you know, it's

So Every time they update So when you when you get to the end of the progression and I mean end of the progression, right? Where you have actually maxed out the achievements and you have unlocked everything possible on the unlock screen So your characters are starting off like super buff like step one and you're playing on hurry mode hurry God who there's hurry hyper mode on all the stages and all this and you're like man The fuck is he gonna?

Like what it like what are you gonna do to the foot? Well, what is there left to do and Then the new update rolls out and the answer is new mechanic or new type of character So like the point six to update that was a couple weeks ago Right after you started playing the answer was what if when you're all completely maxed There's still a way to make your character incrementally stronger by playing the stages at max power It's like oh, okay, and what's this new one? It's like oh, well, there's a new character and there's a bunch of new New cards to unlock that change how the mechanics work yada yada, and it's like wow

So I don't know what 1.0 is Gonna look like I don't know what the the goal is This is the most deceptively Like the the way it starts versus the way it ends There's so much happening actually in the game by the end of it I guess and from the start when you just have that like two three character select and you're shooting one or two little types Of weapons and it's such a complete like in the scope the skate the scope of what you're introduced to versus what you end with is Unbelievably different. Yeah, I've said it before and it's it's streaming that game

creates Like what I'm gonna call the Mega Man X Super Nintendo experience where you hit minute 29 and you're doing well and Your your own head is macro blocking into a blur of nonsense Or you've totally frozen in place the screen is a fucking

miserable soup of nothing The sound is becoming distorted the game can't keep up with itself and Like you're you're the the it's like physically sluggish to move and it's actually falling apart as you play it and Then you hit minute 30 point one and your frame rate just goes Pop the moon and the screen goes clear and everything's super smooth and then you die I haven't seen what that has looked like

When the bit rate monster comes to it, but I must assume it must it's a nightmarish streaming experience I I completely freeze and then everything around me starts to get blurry and then it starts to turn into soup Okay, okay, like it just can't handle it Yeah, that game's incredible like it's it's like it is it is my favorite slot machine Yeah, like vampire spires is my favorite slot machine and it is inspiring I'm at 118 out of 120 achievements I just need to unlock the new guy with a little hat Which is always the most annoying part because they they they'll have they'll put out the thing and the thing says kill

6,000 stage killers to unlock this character and I go. What's a stage killer? Don't know what that is you got to go down on reddit and be like what enemy is a stage killer and they go Well, it's the enemies that show up at 25 minutes on stage five Yeah, I I went for a while before I felt like I needed to go jump online to figure out what was going on And the moment I did was when I unlocked that that The witch that uses the cats Yeah, and then like I see the cats running around I'm like, oh cool new weapon and then the cats don't do anything and I'm like what the fuck is happening here

Well, the cats do something. It's just that they combine with certain passives and I find with other facets I went and I looked up how the cats work and I hate it it just I'm like this is super not what I Know get ready until you fucking figure out how the fucking drill works that thing sucks I Mean I like I'm waiting to just kick hatch it like actually the cats at max level are unstoppable and I'm like yeah, sure But boy that initial I have a pro tip all of them at max level are unstoppable Every every weapon in that game at max level

Like with the right passives is completely busted As it probably should be So yeah, that's that's a lot of fun Oh, yeah, like I what I was saying, but I forgot it's like vampire survivors incredible success is inspiring a bunch of like Let's say medium effort clones that are all excellent in their own right. Oh It's like you mentioned last time yeah It's a really simple concept that you just have to nail a couple things There's one called 20 minutes till dawn which is vampire survivors with the ability to fire a weapon yourself

But other than that It's it's it's it's Vampire survivors people are saying something called hollow cure Which I am now going to look up right now Okay, so I don't know what it is I feel like I don't want to see any of these other ones until I'm done with this one or feel done with this one You're not free hollow live vtuber game Oh hollow cure it's literally hollow live

Okay Oh, that's vampire survivors right there So it's the these are games that are then just made for vtubers to to To do their thing, right? Yeah, but people are saying here's the part. Here's the problem people are saying wow. It's actually really good mm-hmm um So like between this and like Bennett Foddy and and stuff like I guess you're just when you ask twitter like hey What's going on people are just giving you vtuber games to to to to play is that what's happening? Because I'm not aware of what vtuber game categories, uh

Consistence vtuber game categories pretty much anything right? But there's stuff that becomes particularly trendy against a number of vtubers. I would I would assume Oh, look here's project Lazarus, which is vampire survivors made in the unreal engine Okay Okay Well, you're like, yeah, it's a whole genre Yeah, you know that god dammit easy I just looked at project Lazarus and it's like an unreal engine looking star crafting

And do you know what I'm seeing? I'm seeing the emotion. I felt when I had 500 photon cannons and the zerg hit the wall Do you remember that emotion? That really specific oh, they're all gonna hit the oh, they're gonna blow up The protoss rush Um I uh to the wish list Yeah, but I but I again I I until I'm feeling satisfied with with this one I'll I'll then I'll put it down and go look at another

You know, I'm I'm putting one time waster on the shelf at a time Yeah, what's interesting about uh vampire survivors in particular it really does feel like The way I've been playing it is I max it out and then you wait for a month And then the update comes out And then you completely blow through all the content that was in the update which takes a couple days And then put it back on the shelf for three weeks Um, and it has in the time that I've been playing it. It has absolutely advanced its use It's uh, it's number. Sorry. It's version number in a way that like, oh no, there is definitive progress towards the end goal here

Like it's gone from like 0.4 to 0.72 in the time that I've been playing was just a couple months and there's a clear like You look at the the the Devs twitter and it's like well, I want to add two more weapons I want to add a couple more characters. There's another mechanic that I have yet to introduce And I want to add a couple more stages What it what it kind of ignites in me actually a little bit is um, especially when you're going through the You know, there's certain minutes where you're like from this minute to this minute

Fuck trying to do anything strategic just survive. Yeah No, because you're like well if I move towards the upper left I'll get the empty tome for free and add it to the seven passive And then I hit minute eight and my fucking former momentum is not going anywhere for two more minutes because minute eight is a goddamn nightmare on almost every stage So, um, that is where I'm like, oh, this is um bullet hell again, right They the way you get into the the there's a where the game is now for a few minutes It doesn't matter what you're doing offensively

It's just about finding the pocket and staying in the pocket Wherever you can find it your power didn't ramp up alongside the stage You're not going to create the pocket anymore. You're too weak to create a pocket now. You've got to just bullet bullet hell Yeah, um, that's the feeling I guess did we talk about what what I've seen as the the genre name for this new genre? Because you just mentioned bullet hell, right? The word I've been seeing tossed around is bullet heaven Yeah Because you are creating the hell. Yeah, okay. I like it. I like it. Uh, that's really good It it it's not on rails

So that's a huge difference versus most schmups But that's pretty good. That's fun. I'm gonna I'm gonna write that one down And and it's like it's it's a way to like even though all these little not spin offs and clones They're all obviously different in their own way It's like, well, what are you trying to create here? You're trying to create the feeling of you are the bullet hell boss And everything else is just dealing with it, but you got to upgrade smartly and yeah And and and learn and learning that is the real learning the tree That like most of its depth is a choice in a menu

It's almost like a turn-based game where you're just looking at garlic the heart and axes And that's the gameplay That's the real gameplay is like do I want garlic or axes right now? Yeah, um kind of makes me it's a I I was just thinking like if uh, if there's like if Something came along beforehand like that it was an existing property like if geometry wars Just decided to just go all in and make it insane like they could have landed on this first

certainly, uh, it's it's fascinating because um, I was talking to somebody and they were telling me it's like They feel and I can definitely understand this that um Vampire survivors is a fake video game Because it everything about its design Tries to impart to you that you are getting better But you're not It's all statistical. It is absolutely all permanent upgrades

and knowledge of what weapons evolve to each other And you're at you moving the character Is almost a non factor In your success It it really yeah, it It's not real. It's not it's a it's a time waster, but I've You know been given, uh, uh Some insight that like I can appreciate a time waster if it feels good while i'm wasting my time

I have bandwidth for that um The there is something though to be said about like picking the right character Going for the right type of build not getting what you're looking for in Like the first five levels and then improvising a new pathway just to see what happens And then discovering that that becomes viable later So what sucks is that uh when you're chasing the updates that's gone Because let's take the recent update the recent update added a arcana card

That is uh reach level 99 with porta Which is like the third character Our fourth character whatever, uh, and you unlock a new card for the arcana So you start with porta and porta starts the lightning ring, right? So if I play for six levels, which is like, I don't know like two minutes and don't get the duplicator I'm just gonna fucking start over Because Yeah, because I like I need that to do it with this character

And it has to be this character because i'm trying to unlock something specifically My choices are now highly limited because I actually want to I know what it needs to do to take to beat this run And it needs to be with this character and it needs to be with this weapon So if I'm getting things that aren't gonna fucking work it, I'm just gonna quit and do it over So one other thing is uh, I've just unlocked the last of the question marked levels in the level select um Is there

Do the updates add more levels? Or is it always how many levels are on your screen? Uh four regular and then three bonus. No, there's another one Okay, all right fine There's another one that you would get by playing one of those secret levels halfway and and fighting a boss Okay Um Also, uh, you've probably picked up on this

But if you want to unlock things or or get money play the library. It's the best stage Yes Left or right Spectre it's easy. It's and and also empty tome on the left. So and that's the strongest passive. So Um, right so beyond that, uh, which is which is very enjoyable Uh, yeah, I uh sat down watched our rr again just uh showing it to a friend Uh, still still recommending that for those who haven't over on netflix. Just just get old Good old wacky time

Um, I'm now in that phase of like watching it a second time I'm like, okay time to go fucking get this soundtrack and start listening to some of the music on it as well. That's pretty pretty sick, um And it turns out there's like seven osts and I'm like, oh god. I don't what why why I don't I don't know how Or why this movie like maybe this is something that happens with uh the way, um Uh bolly or tollywood films are released or something, but like yeah, it gets very confusing the moment you start looking up the music but, um There's there's uh some super sick tracks

Uh, uh that I'm happy to hear and now that I've watched it in Uh, both languages as well It's also interesting because the music changes some songs change the like obviously like they're re-recording them So like yeah, the hindi and telegoo versions like you can you can listen to some tracks and be like Yeah, I want the telegoo version. This isn't It's not the one I wanted, you know, yeah, um

And uh, it just like it there's there's there's some some that came out better than the dub originally and i'm i'm getting i'm getting i'm start I'm immediately getting a little bit dub elitist about the telegoo version because i'm like, I don't even Two languages. I don't know but this one sounds a bit more authentic. You are transcending weeabooness into other aboo shit Not do not do sounds better in the in the original version. It just does like are you are you like I only watch bollywood films and they're a little original languages because I want the purest experience I just I like I I don't know what to say except I heard it

I was like, okay, and then I went and switched the back and I went oh no But I like the way that one sounds a bit more and that was it, you know No, I mean, I mean you're right. Obviously the original language is always going to be better I mean we talked about this ad nauseam we watched squid game and then I checked out some clips of english squid game And i'm like wow i'm gonna kill myself. This is horrible also And not to mention that but like also in the in the hindi version uh on netflix They like killed or or just through translation

Like got rid of like one of the really sick bits where um Right after a character like is having a pop-off moment They go into like they go into this this like They're they're like fuck you speech, which is all just them quoting sanskrit Scripture and it's like in the original it's kind of it kind of mentions that and you see it written into the subtitle versus Well, yeah, or it just becomes a regular version because they're not actually quoting it because it's not it's not the same It's on that's an untranslatable speech Yeah, so

You know, uh Just just like that one weekend Already having a dubs fucking argument. I will I will bring it up again as as the like You'll you'll never beat How insane my fucking father is As i'm sitting here watching him watch a movie on a saturday afternoon in german A language he doesn't speak

With no subtitles Because he would rather Barely understand what is happening Then either put subtitles on or watch a dub Now like yeah, it's madness. That's insanity. Um I feel like the next step the only place to go After this is to when you go to some of the original some of the ost's they have like every every different language version of it so

After going through telugu and hindi there's also the tamil canada and Malayam versions as well to to compare to so you can Pick your favorite out of five dubs. This is this is barely this is barely related, but I have to tell you I absolutely adore the the very rare but very appreciated dub

of a thing That is in english for multiple different countries Here's the british version. Here's the american version american version You because and I say this because you mentioned the canadian version Uh, which has happened on occasion. I remember the the the fucking there's kebek homer and there's french homer Stuff like that where it's like man. That is so fucking fun to see like

It's ostensibly the same language Let's see how they play it Oh, it's weird And that's why peppa pig almost killed all those australian children In my favorite dubbing mishap ever In which peppa pig being broadcast throughout the commonwealth goes. Well, you see children Spiders may be scary, but a spider can't hurt you. So don't be scared of spiders To all the australian children

And then that and then that fucking episode gets super banned Because it will kill you It will teach children to die Don't do it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah The uh Yeah, I mean the the thought of always goes towards the the kebekawa versions of the simpsons and and and you know getting their own thing

Instead of the france one Where I still think kebek homer is like in some cases more real than american homer But here's the thing that was to me like kebek homer was peak until I heard kebek boomhauer Yeah Go if you find out if you look up kebek boomhauer on twitter dude. Oh my god kebek homer and kebek boomhauer really hit me deep in my soul because i'm like, I know that guy Yeah, yeah, that's one of my dad's friends

I literally met him. His name is rabbit Like like yeah, yeah And it and like when you when the noises coming out make just enough sense that your brain can put the rest together So those of you who don't know what we mean by kebek homer Um in kebek the simpsons have their own dub In that it is a a a kebekwa Sounding homer that is not the same as the french language dub you would get in france And it is dead on true to the soul of homer in that i've totally known kebek homer

A bunch of my friends dads were kebek homer to a tee It's much more Local so it hits that much harder because it's not just it's not like a The the amount of people you're pulling this from is a much smaller number Therefore it sounds way more like them than it does for like a larger country Yeah, because the us is is massive and accented and and all over the place and it's like where's springfield Which springfield is it is it springfield illinois probably but there's a bunch of springfield Imagine a simpsons or a king of the hill dub. That's your neighborhood

Yeah, you know like your city specifically We got a guy in the chat that says kebek boom how our sounds like he has brain damage. Yup He does because he smokes and he drinks too much Um done Uh good times there Um just a quick observation. So sat down and uh started rereading berserk. I got through Deluxe volume one. So that's volumes one to three and um

It was it was it was it's interesting revisiting after this time because um, I feel like uh When I read it and when I watched it were like actually Spread apart. So I didn't quite notice the impact of some of the some of the changes. Um and uh In my brain I like I feel as if like, uh Yeah, I didn't I didn't quite notice the difference between the impact of stopping

the introduction to guts at Um The post the snake fight, right? Yeah episode one Or going all the way up to The behelit summon and the full um guardians of desire arc, right? It is it is a totally everything about The the journey there it's the same story. It's just told in a slightly different order

But like you're you're going through hundreds of pages of black swordsmen and then the big pop is Open it up full page like distorted no iris scream Griffith And then you go Who the fuck is Griffith?

Which is totally different than The way that your show or or movie would portray it And not just that but like the feeling you get after the first episode of berserk You know, I mean I get talking about the old show 97 not the new show. No when I say berserk. I mean I'm talking about 97 Is Yeah, he comes into town, you know saves puck and then fucks up the evil

monster lord and You establish who this guy is and what he's like and and his big edge And then you see him like, you know, like Taking pleasure in murdering and and stabbing and doing all the crazy shit that he does But it creates a very different energy when The end of that episode is basically like he continues being the flawless badass And he walks into the credits and next episode we cut to the childhood golden age begins Right, that's a very different established protagonist versus

The end of the guardians of desire arc where At by the time the god hand pops up And the count is meat on the ground and like you've seen guts fail and suck and bleed and suffer and kind of just Like bullshit his way through a couple of fights in a way that's like, oh, he's not an unflappable badass You get to the end of the very first arc and he's basically torn to shit Yeah, that's a huge difference establishing the character because that chapter one guy Goes on to continue being that chapter one guy in the and like in situations where you're like

Oh, but that confidence becomes because you're always gonna you're always gonna figure it out, right? And it's like Here's him almost not really figuring it out. Here's him basically being Saved by puck. Here's him kind of being like, I don't fucking care. And it's like, yeah, well, that is going to get you killed You know, yeah it guts his early appearance And and and and like particularly like his 80 his 1989 edgeman ness of

Giant guy with big sword that cuts the demon in half and has the arm and they shoot the right You're like, he's a he's a Stereotypical edge lord, right like a fucking punisher In the future middle whatever, right? um And then you go through a couple pages and you're like, oh cool He's gonna fight the big demon. He's gonna cut him in half and then you're a couple more pages and you're like He's missing a couple fingers and his face is almost cut off and he's shitting his pants

And he's crying and vomiting on himself and you're like, oh wow. He's wow He's really out of class by his own story That's what I was gonna say is that like when you're establishing the like the future badass. How did we get here? It's very different when you cut when you cut away from the flashback on His back and the burning carnage around him on top unflappable Is a very different moment to cut away versus limping on one leg arm broken And crying because of the girl That just lost everything behind him

In the most traumatizing way possible and just like literally just tear like uh like barely making it out of there Is a such a different moment to be like Oh How did you grow up? What happened and then you cut to it, you know um Yeah, that is that is uh as much as I love that that that show There's a there's a huge tonal different difference there uh

On the on the revisit Um Anyway, I'm just gonna keep going back through it and it's good It's also weird to go back to early berserk because it's like I was a little wee baby when this page was drawn And uh not to mention that that that whole speech With the fucking the the the miasma of souls that you get lost in you just uh an endless like an endless swirl of dark souls Is one of those only in the

Yep, oh you're like the count part. Mm-hmm bolded underlined zoomed in Yeah, so It's like I remember when dark souls came out and demon souls came out They're like 10 different conflicting stories of how the name got thought up And then i'm rereading berserk and i'm like, hmm Yeah, but then you also just like look at look at you know even just like How

Look at anything Look at the intro look at the intro to ds2 Look at the the the bath Um messengers You know Like just everything and anything all over the place is just there's no there's no pretending whatsoever Um, and i'm glad that they wear that pride on their sleeves because they pick It's always been the most frustrating thing where people are like, wow

When is from software gonna make a berserk game like they've made five? Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah Even seckero In In like the monsters assassins from the fucking uh fake india Like all you need to do is mentally place yourself one country over and you can immediately see how seckero would be That version of the Yeah, um

No, and and and and it's it's it's cool that like uh So because berserk is like we're seeing the the the results of its influence in this way There was a time when if you were in japan you were seeing the results of fist of the north star Yeah, you know when burronson made uh, uh like when that showed up and then Suddenly jonathan joe star just looks like he does and you're like, we're not even pretending We're not gonna pretend. It's just it's that guy. It's that guy. You fucking want kenshiro. He's british kenshiro fine. Okay Um

Yeah, you and then you got to see over the years like all the different things that took from fist of the north star in that way And it's like, yeah So berserk is a little bit later down the timeline and now we get to see where all that comes from and it's a fucking It's a flawless source So by all means everyone gets super hype every time you make a game and you're like Hey guys, we just made berserk again and no one's mad at it. Everyone's super happy that you did Yeah It's just it's just a yeah like arms up just like

It's gonna be oh we did it. Yay We did you read the sword You read the description on the sword for like the eighth time and you just yeah Slab of mine Too big too big You said the words too big can't swing it um Anyway, so that's the that's a fun reread. Um, yeah

Elden ring and mass effect to continue over on woolly versus come join us if you'd like to tune in for fun stuff Red shepherds shenanigans are absolutely reaching ahead having a good time as the absolute dedication to betting everything that moves

is Uh revealing parts of this game that I had never seen actually it's it's quite fun. Um, the I'd say this persona Hurts you way more when you try to be a little sneaky with your relationships Then this game does um, that's true If you try if you try to Be a player and maximize your opportunities. You don't get as you don't get as blasted

Well, yeah, but that's because in persona you you're able to get farther than you are in mass effect when you're trying to play your options Mass effect will actually lock you down um I mean but persona will just let you be the perfect storm of of super MRA resistant gonorrhea if you want to Just the but then the massacre the valentine's day massacre occurs and you just You're left with a smoldering crater of your choices. Um, whereas in in uh and mass effect Like after it's all said and done. There's just this little weird

Like liara like being like well, I'm glad you picked me and it's like that's not what happened, but okay It's what happened within the choices that were available to you in the context of the game But it makes me wonder if that was a moment that could have been you lose them both by being stupid Was too harsh of a penalty for people that were like trying to do No, man, but by aware romances are like the most like binary state ever It's like say four nice things to a girl if you let her touch the dick you are married now Okay, okay I I was looking at it and just wondering i'm like did they have this like be a consolation prize because

they knew that like Some fuckers were gonna go for it and then it's gonna blow up and then they're gonna get really sad that now They lose everything and so they want to give you an out and be like here you go You still get something The only game I can think of that does that is the witcher three witcher three actively strongly punishes you for trying to get The the just try everything Okay, okay, it will it will it will fuck you over if you don't actually make a real decision Try to get the polycule going before we go into my week. I'm gonna need a quick break

I'm gonna need a quick bathroom break. So I will be back Cool So, um, yes, if you would like to tune in You can check out Elden ring and mass effect over on woolly versus this week Going to resume Thursday is not going to be a regular day. I'm gonna have a special event on thursday

Still, I'm not able to announce it It's getting real close, but a thursday special event will be happening on thursday. So in the evening stay tuned and That's gonna be the schedule as well as uh, I think DNF drops, right? So, um, maybe I think DNF is about to drop as well for saturday. So Uh, yeah, stay tuned for special event thursday and then

and then uh Get into fighting games on saturday, so Uh, yeah, that's woolly versus How about you? so You have been doing the lp game for a while, but it's not just limited to that You know, it's a great situation while they were you're playing a game and you're having a fun time And the game's reaching its natural climax

And the story is coming to a crescendo And it's all coming together and there's the specialty level where you play as a different character And you're like wow, and then it's like Oh, we're gonna go fight the final boss and you've been doing it for four or five hours You're like, yeah, I'm ready to fight the final boss and then it drops you into the largest level you've ever seen Mmm, and and it's like here's your final big level. That's like two hours long And you're like god fucking dammit

But right before it dropped you there you spent half an hour walking around town Saying goodbye to everybody while the music sang this is where we say farewell Yeah So i'm talking about bioshock 2 Uh and my experience the other day Uh, I will say yeah, I think bioshock 2 is like substantially better than bioshock 1 except for the part where it's not as unique I saw a lot of people go like hey Why did you think this game didn't get nearly as good of reviews and people didn't talk about it that much?

And it's like because it's not as unique you went to rapture again Rapture being a new place is like was the coolest thing And then going to rapture again Was not necessarily the coolest thing Um, but like yeah, no bioshock 2 builds up. You're gonna find the final boss just like oh, you're gonna fall You're gonna do it. There's a huge action sequence. You fight a bunch of bosses in a row bobby bobby boo and then all of a sudden

I'm like Like it's it's down to the point where I'm sitting there and I open up the map Of the what I thought was the final level and it is a hallway Right, so bioshock levels are these large Multi room multi level hall like areas that you would explore And then I open up the level and I'm like I'm gonna find the final boss and it's a hallway that dead ends in a square And I'm like well here we go

No And it's like I'm not saying That I'm upset that the game has more length or value It doesn't feel the way bioshock 1 did where you get to the end of bioshock 1 and you're like wow I wish this level just didn't fucking exist at all Mm-hmm, but I'm like I I thought I thought I was going to I thought I was gonna do the thing and I was gonna reach like emotional or

Closer or whatever Only to go Nah, there are there's a couple films none of which of course that I can think of right now In which you're like it's building up to the the ending and then it goes. Nope. There's still 45 minutes more movie And you're like I mean even need that I've described this feeling many times, but even when I'm enjoying it at at it at its best um When you when I do feel like plot characters events and

overall closure are being You know Disgust and shown and you're feeling that you're coming down to it Then you see that that simpsons hallway couch gag as it goes into the distance like it It bugs me and it and it like it really does like it's a it's an urk that I have because I'm Like I'm mentally preparing for that to be done, you know And I and I guess to me I think to like that's the point at which I should stop and just go

You know what? I'm gonna I might just go look and see what's left here because I felt that In um in hollow night when I was enjoying every moment of it But I was like, you know, and I mean and to date obviously I still haven't done it all But there was a hollow night hollow nights the work like I love hollow night to death Hollow night is one of my favorite games of all time. I'm so glad you recommended it to me However, hollow night cheats at the problem we're describing Because you could have completely finished hollow night and then they came back and said actually here's

50 more hours beat every boss in a row Humongous just zones on and I kind of just I was at a point where I was like I Was working towards this task and then I did the task And oh like okay All right, the like I was not mentally prepared for more and Um, and it's not what I was looking for certainly and this doesn't and I know that this is the last time I brought this up Um, uh, there was pushback from uh folks who were like, yeah, but like I got the most bang for my buck off of that And I wanted it to last longer and so I'm never gonna argue at that point. I understand when it's it's a financial decision, but um

When it is just like the way the narrative is carrying itself forward It it's kind of like it's it's not like when a game gets announced too early and just that like the perspective and the way You feel about something if you know that you have another 10 hours left Um, you should probably not be making things feel like they're coming to a close. So This is this is a great This is a great. So in the past you have looked at into my eyes Deep and I have said the word immersive sim And you have been like, what is that? We uh, right

You know, it's it's a weird hyper specific genre, right? But as you were talking I'm like How many how many games does this actually apply to that what we're talking about? You used hollow knight as an example and hollow knight took a good example Um, but I'm thinking like okay. Well all three bio shocks have the exact same pacing problem Where you get to the 90% and it's about to end and it goes no one more level and the last level is not as good And then you fight waves of enemies and then there's a story thing That happens and I'm like, okay

Well deus x and deus x human revolution Also do the exact same thing where it builds up to The climax and it goes wait no one more level and then you fight waves of enemies Into a story climax And then I'm like pray also has the exact same problem Where it builds up to a climax and then you have to go through waves of enemies until a story thing and it's like That is the definitive death loop

Death loop has no final boss you build up to the climax and the climax of the game is go do one last run And instead of having a final boss you talk to somebody in a story sequence like they That genre Can't have final bosses Like um like I have a hundred ways to solve a problem Means you can't have a good final boss Because this way you would fight a final boss is by fucking shooting them with a gun Which as we see in deus x human revolution is like the ultimate version of this problem

Where the boss fights are just insanely terrible Because there's no way to solve them at all Dash that shout out. It's just said uh, uh, the goalposts don't move they teleport Yeah, a hundred percent teleporting goalposts is a great way to put it. Um I felt this way strongly at the end of p5 as well Uh, I really you know, I mean I was just making the gag about I didn't need it to be a dungeon Just let me fight the boss I I made that gag about p4 and seeing punchbomb get through it and hearing about where the original ending was and you know

That they inserted more so it drags, but it originally made sense in the first release It's like, okay, but when you're making the re-release You you the way the player feels should be taken into account about like If they're a first time going through this if you're you know, your new content is the back 25 percent Then at the 75 mark your game's gonna feel weird. You should do something about that I want to point out that people are mentioning that the final boss In deus x one i'm forgetting it And no i'm not because bob page in deus x one you either walk up and blow him away in like a second

Or you You go to three computer terminals and turn the ending on Sure, yeah, it's it's it's not even an encounter conversation conversation ending uh as a possibility spend your paragon points Right, right. Yeah The final boss of fucking dishonored is is walking into a room picking up a character and leaving I Want to play p5r at some point in my life, but i don't know how that's gonna be it's great And after getting halfway through it

I was like i need to put 10 years in between me and my first run of this game for me to properly appreciate it Can't do it. Can't do it. I just i'm like i want to i just don't know when it'll be But knowing how how much i felt it in the original in this case I felt it bad for the original release and now they're doing even more. It's just and it's like i'm getting to the point It's too much of a good thing, but it's still exhausting Like now, like i tried to play golden twice on its release, but after going to original p4 five times It's like how many fucking times can i have this fucking conversation with kanji in in february and like Fucking not february or whatever fucking may

And i guess the time And yes, there certainly is a tap out where you can be like fuck it. I'm just going to watch it You know on youtube or something, but that's but but uh in the in the conversation We're having is one where these games could be improved by tightening up that feeling it is It's it's it's something that most you know, it's let's we're talking about the video game is a medium video games is medium Traditionally end incredibly poorly Game endings are terrible And i don't just mean la cutscene at the end

I mean Like the last 90 minutes of your 12 hour game is often the shittiest part Now part of that is because it's the part by least people are going to see And part of that is that in a lot of game design the all the cool shit that the game is about doesn't actually work for an ending like Pray and system shock and all these games They're about looking at a weirdo room and trying to figure out how to get through the area Maybe there's a doctor you could hack a computer or whatever that

sucks for an ending It like it doesn't work it's often it's often um It's often poor enough that uh when it stands out It stands out strongly the first thing that comes to mind for me is god of war 2018 where

What a fucking great ending. Yeah, great. Um And it has a denouement which most games don't have a denouement That's and that but that's that's the exact opposite of the problem we're describing of the wall that keeps Fucking going. Yeah, is yes a allowing it to slope down and let the emotions hit the points. They're supposed to um Very few games consider that because it's an action movie. How do action movies end right with a bang? Yeah And it's like what I think about you and I and how we are madly in love with the character action genre

And the character action genre ends well they Like like a like a full point out of the 10 point review scale of scale is Is the final series of encounters the best part of the whole game? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm The answer is usually yes, you look at platinum games platinum games have a fucking straight line up of of enjoyment over time in terms of of and they and then they climax and then they credit Like there's it's like an anti denouement and that they they don't even let you breathe for 10 seconds

The the the legacy of how well that's implemented is the fact that the the majority of everything referenced from revengeance is all armstrong Yeah, the only thing people talk about from revengeance years later is armstrong They're not talking about monsoon that much every once in a while a little bit of the other bosses and they're great They're all great, but Armstrong overwhelmingly is the thing that you see and hear and is memed and discussed the most because You got a source for that senator. I made it the fuck up That's my source

You know and you think about devil may cry 3 right? What's devil may cry 3 about about virgil? Well, how much of virgil is actually in the game? You fight him three times. He's maybe 1% of the game. How popular is that? Of course, just from sam is a strong second than that, of course popular is that that it made a fucking um They made sequels about what if you were kind of virgil then they made another sequel about what if virgil again though? What what it what if wow Yeah, yeah all on the strength of those three boss fights

And yeah, no And it just sucks because i'm playing boss shock 2 and i'm having so much fun And I get to the final level and i'm like wow i fucking don't care anymore There isn't going to be a final boss The antagonist is a lady sitting in a chair That I may shoot with a gun and she'll just die which is kind of funny in its own way um Like it's one of the things dragons dogma actually excels at where hey

You know what you fight at the end of dragons dogma the dragon and it's fucking crazy Nice good good. That's what that's what I like to hear. Um, I I I need to uh, uh clarify that Jet stream sam and it's as a rival battle is it's all the things that get my juices flowing and is the hottest shit um What i'm talking about is when you look at what the internet has to say about Revengeance the meme that pops up the most are memes about armstrong. This is specifically what i'm referring to

And and that I think has to do with how much of an escalation And how memorable that is to everybody that played it not just us going we love our virginals But everybody's an overall impact. It's like you think about watchmen and what do people talk about they talk about steve jobs dying of ligma Meme strong and then people ask you who steve jobs it um So, um It's hard it's tricky uh You know, uh, I

I don't have enough um fps is under the belt to Look towards like the shining examples of them But I can say that even games that I loved like doom and doom eternal Had these final sequences that were like, oh, okay. Yeah, that was cool That was cool, but you know, but it's it's it's Yeah, what is that supposed to look like? You know, it's it's like it's bad and immersive sims It's to the point where every immersive sim comes out and tries

Lately anyway a new type of final boss. What's the final boss? Is it a sprint? Is it a wave? Is it a puzzle? And they're shit They're fucking shit Like I love that genre so much and like the last half hour of every single one of them is complete goddamn garbage They they exist on a bell curve of quality Yeah, I I I feel like there was a time when I I used to think that like

Okay, cool a boss like a game that doesn't have any boss fights that then puts one in It's like oh, yeah, because that's the thing you got to do to have a big explosive ending type of thing But if mechanically it's not really made for it and then the obtuseness kind of comes back to To be a bit weird, you know, like I mean portal ends on a boss fight like there's just a Yeah, there's just there's a thing where I I don't know what the standout examples are Without going to again our home base genres I will tell you a perfect example that you have Grand familiarity with at this point

Hey, you know why people were so pissed off at halo two's ending? Because you didn't drive the fucking truck Halo one and halo three have fucking show stopper endings because you've been playing the game You know how to drive a car This is a big bomb. Get the fuck out But it's it's also different It's the race the the warthog race at the end of one and three are proper One-on-one challenges you versus the world

right In a system that doesn't really do good boss fights God fucking titanfall 2 man Yeah, see titanfall 2 final boss is a sprint God what a good sequence Absolutely titanfall 2 it's like why is why is titanfall 2's final boss a sprint? Well, because the one-on-one boss fights are good But that's not what titanfall is really about titanfall is about moving fast and shooting cool

So what's the final sequence moving as fast as you can and shooting as cool as you possibly could It placed with even I mean even think of the fucking server room in mirrors edge. Yeah Right like that game is flawed as shit And that is one of the best final levels in anything If you want to make it the best final level in anything, which is don't pick those goddamn guns up Make the best of your abilities and do a flawless run through an insane army

That is just yeah stacked to the nines and you can survive without ever firing a bullet That that version of that final stage is such a good challenge It it becomes um like Meat boy or n plus like you know, yeah, and it's like run perfection it also And this is this is like what this is something that

I feel like a lot of people don't talk about when they talk about games Is that the every every person sitting down to play a game and there's a a certain fantasy that they're attaching to the game Be that a shooter they have a class fantasy or a story in which they have a narrative fantasy or Uh, a sports game in which they have a competitive fantasy. Whatever, right? It's it's like what what is the emotional experience that I want to go through and living up to that And and is is like the number one possible thing. So mirror's edge

What is the fantasy of mirror's edge being fast and agile and smart and jumpin around and outsmarting slow moving brutes And being a bullet and you know all this So why the fuck did they let you shoot a gun? Like like mirror's edge one would be a Substantially better game for most people if you went into the any file and turned gun from one to zero Out of fear that people getting something that they're kind of used to Would not like the idea of not being able to do the thing they're used to

Right like oh, I'm playing a game and what I actually want is a shooter And this doesn't let me shoot a gun. So I'm bored Brand new experimental game in which it's a first-person shooter, but you can do some cool wall stuff. Yeah Huge mistake in what your expectation should be But when you're selling a thing that you try to you're scared that people are not going to like it because they don't know What's going on you're not going to market the new thing that they don't really That's the problem because If they wanted to make that game what they should have done was make a first-person shooter with cool wall stuff

Like I don't know titanfall Yeah, because titanfall up up is I want a first-person shooter with cool wall stuff and also a robot And that's the fantasy i'm sitting down for for titanfall And that's why half the team like disagreed on what mirror's edge should be You know and like that was all they decided to make mirror's edge catalyst in which they said what if mirror's edge was there But it sucked I had fun they said hey, they said hey, what if you were playing a version of mirror's edge that was just kind of mediocre Wouldn't that be fun?

Some of the routes were were Some of the routes were tight and really good But you had to like make your route as opposed to the the speed track that you got from the first one You know, um, I don't like the ziplining either that uh You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna step in on catalyst whenever it comes up But someone either way someone stopped and said I want to play mirror's edge And I want the main character not to be a cool like like edge like

Hip protagonist from the assurance ads I want my character to be a cringe ass freak from killer seven And I want it to have cards so they made neon white And that game is exactly what it thinks it wants to be I'm hearing that's pretty good I am also hearing that it is super excellent because it is what it is and what it wants to be is Yes, um mirror's edge mirror's edge though like mirror's edge one

Did not have the benefit of people trusting it to be what it wanted to be and I think that Which you know looking at it in retrospect was a hard problem from spin-off game doing different things But it's ultimately, you know Being introduced to people in the in the category of fps. Well when it shouldn't be, uh, you know um But in any case, yeah, I do feel at the same time though a lot of like third-person action and adventure games don't run into

Some of those issues, you know a lot of uh bringing up of like yeah Ocarina of Time fun to fit finishes strong as fucking ever, you know, there's some Yeah, but yeah great It's particular genres that tend to Uh struggle With it and like yeah as you're mentioning like well you say isims, but like you know going outside of that Is like the pinnacle of bad endings I can't think of an isim with an even

Like average ending Like they're bad Like they're they're they're universally poor Um And then going back to like RTS isim remembering like I want to say like the final mission in starcraft was just that insane Three-way Where you were you mean how the final mission in almost every starcraft campaign is a

Absolutely massive super map where you have to kill one point and go through five places Yeah, just cluster fuck your way to the to the to the hive and Blow it up. I forgot what it was in brood wars. I'm thinking absolutely love I'm looking over in the chat and I'm seeing people say stuff like dishonor twos was okay. I guess And like that's that's the the rallying cry of immersive sims don't need to have terrible endings is this one might be okay Like just like terrible Yeah, our rts final missions are terrible

Fighting game endings are terrible Like like usually not not much. I mean you're getting fucking yeah arcade screenshots. You're getting three fucking pictures and text now that being said Um the the the the scope of this conversation has changed a little bit in that um Boss fight final boss fights versus the um the journey to the finale overextending itself. Yeah, so all the way back to bioshock 2. I'm gonna finish it up this week. Um and um

Boshock 1's entire ending hour is god-awful Boshock infinite's entire ending hour is god-awful I am I am like hope holding out hope for bad Like A bad final hour in In bioshock 2 would be like ooh, that's a pleasant surprise

From what I remember it was just A sequence that was born out of the fear of what happened in one and as a result it's It's not as bad as that but it's weird and Still not great. That's what I remember. That's just great Uh, let's see I played yeah, you'll see I'll finish that off soon. I play I caught up in in monster hunter I uh monster hunter sunbreak is coming out this Wednesday

And I'm sitting here looking at my pc save file being like Just broke into high rank Going like oh, wow. I'm literally not going to be able to play this monster hunter game at all Because it's it's a expansion content that would take place after the end of the campaign that I'm playing Fuck, what do I do? So I had a I had a stream and I I I Had people show up to carry me a little bit and it's really weird

um I was sitting there And I turned on monster hunter rise And uh my game like glitched out a little bit or or something like there was something on my screen and I tried to click it off Um, and it filled my inventory with 500 of every monster part Um and like thousands of armor spheres and like infinite money Um, it was it was pretty fortuitous But like I just don't know how that happened

um, okay Okay, and it you know, I was just about to ask a question. Yeah, what was the question? I was just about to ask I was going to say now hold on a minute. It was a really peculiar glitch Didn't you just start dragon's dogma a minute ago? Yeah, and in the switching like like Do you switch off like often But then eventually hit credits or do you just like or is that just going to go until you're like, uh, we'll switch to another thing

Uh, right right now. Uh, I'm polishing off bioshock and then a dragon's dogma and the new isomium got files So right now I'm actually playing like four or five things and it's just like one day Right now So when you bring in something into the mix like a like a monster hunter, which is not going to be a long time It's just going to be probably the day of its release and maybe a week after the week after that Um, okay, but yeah, no, so it was really strange So like I was able to fight monsters and then just make their armor right away because I had all the parts I don't know. I don't know how it happened. I mean I was looking

Uh, I was looking at the monster hunter nexus Top mods to see if I could find any answers there um But I couldn't Hmm. Uh, how do this how do do do the server is care about? Any sort of so it's it's funny. I it looks like the way that it bugged out Was uh that even if you somehow get all of the items possible Um that uh the game won't do anything to your account. It'll just delete impossible items

Huh Okay Okay, it just takes them away So if if it doesn't ban you if your game horribly glitched out and like created like a bunch of super powered charms that don't pass sanity checks It would just delete them And go that's not possible doesn't pass sanity check So it's it's it's really nice that they they have a lot of leeway Considering that the game can occasionally bug out and just give you all of the items and money and hunter points

And those things are are uh real things. So you're allowed to keep those things if you happen to Uh get those uh Uh, you know You could get those legitimately normally. Yeah, normally Hmm Yeah, uh somebody in chat points out. There's a message that's on the monster hunter nexus right now that says make sure To delete illegal items in your box right now because the sunbreak comes out. It could break Which is really important because if you're trying to troubleshoot the bug

With an app that you would download There would be a button that says add illegal items And you would make sure not to click that while troubleshooting Man, I tell you I just there aren't many circumstances I can think of where uh That's the road I would go down but There are some curiosities where I look at for example I don't know like warframe and I kind of go

You know what I would not mind Feeling something completely maxed out to know exactly what that feels like Before committing all the way in And and uh and spending all the time like uh, I would I would definitely enjoy Knowing what I'm in for and then taking it and then turning it off take it away warframe in particular Has a solution for you woolly. It's called 60 to 100 dollars To unlock the stuff, but like don't you still have to like also spend the time to like yeah, it's like an hour

It's like it's it's like that Oh, okay, so you just unlocking the stuff is the time consuming stuff in warframe I See I see yeah, okay Uh, so yeah, no um No 10 minute rentals. No so I was going through monster hunter rise and

um I had never actually gotten to the end. I got most of the way through on the switch version and then got about halfway through the vert on the on the PC version and discovered that monster hunter rise originally ended With a wet fart especially compared to your average monster hunter game um It uh shipped with no ending And then they added the final boss in later as in a patch Do you mean the the fake ending that you get before you start the proper?

Like I mean I mean you get to the end of every quest in the game and it just goes wow. I wonder where the monster went Damn and then they then they added in the final boss for real as uh As like uh as a as a dls a free dlc in a patch like three months later And I'll like like as if it was new content now to be fair They have also put out like hundreds of event quests Like some of like the most event quests of like any monster hunter Like do you want to be okami? Do you want your cat to be sonic?

Do you want you with universal studios japan fucking Shit all over your character. Do you want teostra added to the game? Do you want kushala adds to the game so they added a lot? but yeah, no when it originally came out. Yeah, I added like shit and Luckily sunbreak is soon and sunbreak the the expansions always end with a bang and there's lots of content at the end of it and yada yada but um yeah, uh

Monster hunter rise and its original form for quite a while really didn't doesn't feel finished. You just kind of fly through a lot of the monsters And then you're done So my since my experience is limited to the to the to world um the sequence you get with um You know the end of story mode there. Yeah, you beat it and then you start going into the high rank stuff. Yeah, is there another exclusive like um

Kirby like escalation to their final boss. There is you you fight you fight the final boss and so the every like I really mean this Every single monster hunter game has the exact same story and exact same progression over and over and over It is always the village And in games in which the village and the gathering hub quests are the same. They're the same in ones in which they're different It's like, okay Do the story mode. All right. Uh, there's the flagship guy You're gonna fight the flagship guy

And you're gonna repel the flagship You're not gonna beat him. So in your case, it would be narrow gigante. You met narrow gigante. Oh, wow He's crazy. Oh, he's gonna fly away. Oh, wow. He was he was really tough. Then you're gonna actually fight the flagship Then you're gonna kill the flagship Right, then someone's gonna come out and go wow, dude The flagship monster was actually just pissed off because of that fucking thing Right and then that fucking thing is your final boss At which point you kill it

Then the expansion comes out and the expansion goes wow Did you know that that fucking thing was actually waking up due to some other ecological thing that happens to take place in a new zone And then you go to the new zone and wow, there's a new flagship because there's always a new flagship for the expansion Wow, the new flagship monster is actually really mad because of That fucking thing over there and here's your new final boss And so you go fight your new final boss and you're like, wow, we solved the ecological catastrophe but wait That's weird something even weirder is out there

But you need to hit hunter rank 20 30 40 50 100 in order to find out What is making the other animals very upset? And like over and over and over and over Every single in monster hunter one rathalos is fucking up the ecosystem and monster hunter two Tigrex is fucking up the ecosystem in monster hunter three It's the guy chris is fucking it up because the ideas is fucking it up in monster hunter four Gorma gala is fucking it up in monster hunter five, which is world. Nergigante is fucking it up. No wait. It's zen ojiva Zora magros

You know, it's zora magros. No wait. It's nergigante. No wait. It's sat. It's Zito jiva. No wait It's valstrax. No wait. It's the fucking Rock guy. No wait. It was nergigante. No wait. It was saffa jiva. Like it's the same fucking thing over and over and over and over And in monster hunter rise When that game came out You fought

Magnamala who's the flagship and you go wait the problem is actually the thunder dragon And then you fight the thunder dragon and the thunder dragon leaves and then the game ends And then you only actually get to fight the thunder dragon for real After getting to like hunter rank 50, which is not how it's the first time So i'm gonna go into sunbreak without fighting the final boss And then i'm gonna naturally get that hunter rank up and then go back into old baby content to fight the final boss for the first time It's weird. It's weird. We're looking at but at the same time coming out. Malzino is a vampire Oh, man, he's probably gonna fuck up the ecosystem

But wait the reason why he's out hunting is because there's a bigger outer dragon this evil what What i'm hearing is Okay, but who cares whether you actually did it or not because it obviously doesn't really matter That's right, and it's an excuse to get some cool gear. That's right. Yeah Yeah, uh, so so what i'm describing to you is why When monster hunter world came out People who had been playing that series for a long time were like

Who gives a shit about these fucking cutscenes? Why am i not able to load into a room with my friends before seeing them? It's it who cares Right, you're just gonna tell me that it's the ecosystem. It's the underwater earthquakes. It's the frenzy virus. It's the it's the fucking Uh bio energy, which is the one that you saw. It's the fucking rampage. It's the fucking who gives a shit I'm mentally preparing to have to run through three blocks of of uh Fucking world tour in street fighter 6 to get to the versus building

Oh I'm prepared. I'm already prepared you're gonna have to you're gonna have to run through god not south town a metro city And then make a right at the boxing gym And then there's gonna be the versus mode building that you walk into Also, since I finally got to thunderdragon, uh, narawa after all this time I have to say one of the ugliest Shitty looking final boss designs in a monster hunter game ever

No question It has a floatation sack between its legs that looks like you're spending the whole Fucking fight beating up its giant ugly pussy One monster is this fucking thunderdragon narawa All right Let's see what what it says here Fucking I will get the photo Oh, that's chubby

Oh, I see it. Ew. Yeah, okay. You see what I'm fucking I see it Like you are just beating up its fat pussy as a weak spot. No the the bottom half of that's not great That's not good Is it soft? Yeah Oh Alternatively it's an egg sack so you're beating up. It's like pregnant belly Isn't botching a final monster design like botching one of the legendary cover pokemon Like isn't it like the most important thing to not make it look kind of like pokemon's a great

great comparison point woolly Because pokemon is not about the all the legendaries. It's about the starter Monster hunter is not about the final boss. It's about the flagship Xenojiva's cool, but narigigante's what matters Okay Flagship is in like the the monster on the box Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay So like even even if the final actual boss of sunbreak is complete trash

Malzino Is fucking cool So it'll be fine Because you're gonna what's on the box you're gonna fight the flagship about a hundred times more often than you fight the final boss Okay, okay, I suppose that's why Zora mag doros is not playable in teppen, but yeah nerigigante and rathian are yeah, and that's why when they go Hey, mother fuckers Here's who's coming back for the next game your favorites the first ones to get picked are always the old flagships

Hey, mazitsune and gore magala and steve Good old steve. It's coming back A character who's been called steve for so long. I don't know why people call the monster steve Its name is serigios But people call it fucking steve Okay, I don't know why Oh Um

When they bring back an old boss That's a classic and they drop it in a game like rise where there's all these crazy new things you can do like riding on your dog Yeah, um You're getting a month an updated version of that boss fight. Yeah 100. Yeah. Yeah, okay, uh, and and um Uh Yeah, they have to so um monster hunter gu is a really really good example of this So monster hunter gu has the most monsters of any game. It has I think it's like over a hundred. It's crazy. You mentioned Yeah, it brings in

Tons of old monsters that hadn't it's the final celebration before the reset and some of them received No updates at all So like you'll go up against something that's last Appearance was like eight years ago And you're like fuck wow This thing has fucking two moves It's got wow it's got shit Dropping uh demon souls bosses as is into elden ring. Yeah, no you'd beat their fucking asses in a second

Yeah, okay, there's there's like uh people are pointing out it's like gravios Gravios sucks the reason why gravios sucks is because he has no move list He just he's just super he all your shit always bounces And he can do the fucking fire breath and the roll and the tail swipe and that's it Fuck gravios games better when you take him out Fucking piece of shit rock monster I hate him Anyway rise a lot of fun. They're gonna add a lot. They're gonna add more uh, they're gonna add more moves

Which is the big thing for sunbreak not even the monsters is they're adding another entire set of moves to everything um So you had the you had the wire bug moves right monster moves No character character moves Oh, so every monster hunter ever comes out and you get new moves Rise added by far the most because it also had those wire bug moves where you're you know You're using your meter to fucking do cool shit. They're adding new wire bug moves. They're adding new Actual make like you know button combinations and they are adding the ability to switch isms

between one set of controls and another Okay, so hey, this is great sword with true charge slash and a counter. Well, this is great sword with Rage slash and the dash and you just hit a button to switch between the two at will Okay, uh Would you prefer that or like a new weapon entirely? Um So here here's how I feel it's gonna go

We are gonna get that and then next time we're gonna get a new weapon and lose half these moves We're gonna lose all the shitty ones and they're gonna incorporate all the good ones into the actual move set Because that's how they do they have the weird hyper game where you get a million fucking Weird super powered shit and then they tone down the a bunch of them so that they become part of an overall larger move set And then you have the weird hyper game Sounds Kirby like again with the the the way the move sets change over time. Yeah, interesting. Okay um Anything else of note with the

With the week Yeah, not really okay Working people watch, uh, they can go down to twitch.tv slash pat stairs at Uh this week. We're gonna do i somnium files Uh, and we're gonna The nirvana The nirvana. What's it fucking called nirvana something

Whatever the new fucking mystery game Uh, we're gonna play some more bio shock too Etc Come on down it starts usually around uh 4 p.m. Pacific time Alrighty Let's roll right into What's happening in the news? Okay, so

This week, I would love to start on The story that is the updating cyberpunk bugs issue Where uh, they basically have elaborated on uh, there's a forbes report that came out that says cyberpunk 2077 Uh, a big part of what happened on that project. What went wrong was that the qa company quantic labs lied to them about their capabilities and

uh overall Did not find all the things that people ended up finding when it give the game went live and Uh, essentially the game went through submission dirty Great is is is what it sounds like uh, so This story now when we talk about especially when I talk about uh, a lot of the the things that go wrong in qa When you're finding things and you're getting shut down from the the devs you're getting shut down by producers And overall there's a time crunch. We talk about a database full of things that are will not fix

A lot of the times I'm absolutely referring to When you have a team that is good that knows what they're doing and is Pretty solid at their jobs uh, this is Basically what I ended up having towards the the later years in in qa. I was fortunate enough to Work with some really great people that were talented in at square For those years and at idos

And when I was doing mainly like the compliance focus stuff, you know And I could kind of pick people that I knew were like solid out at these tasks It was very it was a very efficient time and and and you kind of Don't always have that when I read the bullet points about what went wrong here It's all too familiar and all too believable and all too real Considering what outsourcing used to be like and how it felt when I first started in those early years. So Um, I got a lot of messages from people after the story

Basically where they're saying hey does this sound credible to you because it certainly sounds like they're deflecting And it does sound that way And so and and I'll tell you this uh, it feels to me when I look at the this list that there is absolutely some deflection in here in the sense that What a studio working on a large project is doing Pretty much all the time if they're unless they're like completely fucking it up is they have in-house testers as well to focus on The feel of the game and mainline progression things that are going to be not outsourced that are that are in charge of

Seeing how the flow of things go Um Those people are essential. You're gonna have a team, you know, it depends on the size of the company but whatever the case is If you're managing things well, you're gonna always have people in house keeping that keeping their main task to Playthroughs getting through it catching things on the way and feeling how it is to go through it and running into issues here and there

If you're not managing it well, those people are gonna be spending less time on the controller and more time Managing the outsourcing that's going on and they'll have very little time to actually sit down and play the thing Um, so there is some deflection in that angle, uh, however I also have seen and uh, and I was looking at the replies to some of this news coming out from Forbes And I saw some people a bunch of people that were noting that they're like well for all the stuff that people Recorded and all the crazy shit we saw tweets about Uh, I played it and I didn't see any bugs or I didn't have a run through that was that bad Yeah, some people did manage to get through the game without seeing that crazy shit. Um, I'm again, I was they didn't say what platforms

Obviously, but I assume that would make a huge difference. Um, I find that to be unbelievable That people managed to complete the entire game without seeing much of the crazy shit The feeling the feeling I it I got from the The way people were tweeting out every other day about how bad it was getting Makes it feel like it was impossible But I I I'm not gonna just yell at stay everyone's like full of shit or whatever. No, I just find I find that Uh, the very blunt use of the word incredible and that I do not particularly find that very credible I mean if anything it's it's just probably

um Lense credence to the fact that like the game is is is built in such a way that there's enough random variables each time it's loading in an area that uh, you're going to Have you're you're going to have times where it runs fine and times where it doesn't based on small little things that are even harder to notice um, but All this is preamble the point is that

The things they listed that uh, quantic labs was responsible For fucking up, which is one for example They over exaggerated the size of their team on cyberpunk in order to keep the contract 1000 real that absolutely happens and working at an outsourcing Company and watching the competition as well also outbid each other for contracts and try to figure out how to you know Offer the most competitive rates and such they will totally just lie about what their capabilities are um, and they will bullshit their way through uh, those numbers

Almost every time that is a real thing Yeah, yeah, that is a real thing That's a real thing now what ends up happening in many cases is you'll take uh, they'll I mean it depends on what they do But in some they'll do things like oh, yeah, we've got like, you know, 20 localization testers each In groups of three dedicated to their their languages and then they occasionally on a low Date will be like oh and they can switch over to functionality testing when there's nothing coming in for localization They'll be like, oh, yeah, those are considered full-time testers as well We're going to put those that number in and it's like that's not true. Those are not full-time testers

They're not they're not trained to do full-time testing. They're not trained to complete functionality in that way They're just incidental eyeballs on the game, but you'll put those numbers in you'll do things like Take people who are trainees You know in there that are cutting their teeth on like how to test and how to write bugs to begin with And say that oh, yeah, that's man hours on the project You know as long as there's an ass in a seat holding a controller some of these outsourcing places will absolutely do that What about what about a situation where okay, so what you're saying is hey, we got 200 guys That can work on this but actually in reality

We have 100 Who would actually be putting real time into it? And then the project comes down and boss man says wow You know we're spinning a lot of plates and that other projects taken a lot So this team actually gets 70 And now now you're at on and off now you're like a third of what your original estimate Was according to the the dev contract So I mean what'll happen is at the start of a week you'll promise x man hours

And then at the end of the week you will deliver on those man hours. However, you get them You know you you get them whether it consists of throwing over time on grave shifts dead shifts You know grabbing localization testers grabbing new recruits, whatever the case is you're going to deliver a thing that says Oh, yeah, we put 65 man hours into the game. So what you're saying Hold on. Let me try this. Let me try and break this down into a version I can understand like a more concrete one you go. Hey, we need 100 hours of work on this And they go shit

well If if we let if we let these five guys sleep at their desk with the game on That's 40 extra hours That'll kick us up over the number if You're not If you're if you lied about your team size to begin with And you don't have the capability of delivering on the numbers that have been set in the evaluation of the project

Then you're good then absolutely anything and everything that can be done will be done to exaggerate that time um Now the other things that they list here go hand in hand where you're talking about Yeah, they said that their team is made up of senior staff But it was instead juniors with under six months of experience in qa. Oh, man, that's not the same I've seen that happen and I've seen that lead to a road where Um as a project gets more complex the people with the most experience spend their time being mini managers

over the teams instead of actually spending their time on controller And that's a huge problem as well because some of the most talented testers people who are great at finding shit and just thinking Outside the box and be like oh, what if I just did this in that way or I see something a lot of the time Something will pop up in a game that you're like Let me investigate that you might not always You know it might not occur to everybody to go investigate something that looks like it might be a little bit odd You get a certain bizarre intuitive thought process on how these things work or more importantly how they break Yeah, so for example, I noticed that some messages in elden ring disappear when you press x while others disappear when you press triangle

right completely Mild thing that most people probably just press and go oh and then press the other button No big deal that alarm bells went off in my head and made me go if I were on charge in charge of this I would dedicate a week to figuring out what's going on with exactly that nature Why the two are different and what can go wrong as a result of that? Right for what would happen if you created a prompt that needed one button to go away And then found the another person who had a different prompt with a different button to go away and then cause them to overlap Right, there's a million things to to to create from just seeing a moment and going like oh, that's a weird little decision

That's inconsistent and you you have to like it's an you have an intuition towards going and let me investigate that People who are really good at it will have that people who are not will not And so they'll like the the people who are good But they don't have the time because they're managing a crew or telling people like you know They're checking bugs. They're vetting things etc handling some regression in some cases It's not going to be the same as having actual experience testers holding controllers I mean at the end of the day part of this is the nature of outsourcing such an important part of your project To somebody that you don't actually know or see

The equivalent of you know, you asked your neighbor To help build something you know Build something like a new fence and instead of going out in your backyard And actually looking at the fence being built you call them on the phone And go how's the fence coming along and they go great And then you check yet. Are you walking your backyard a year later and there's a pit in the ground and go? What are you doing? Now sometimes your fence turns out great sometimes depends on who you're talking with Right the queue and just in this city alone back in those days

I mean a number of places popped up that were like, you know competitor to the place. I was working, you know, there was Babel There was a vmc the vault. There was a you know test track and All these different places that popped up that essentially were these third party Studios and you would see them you usually get credited You know sometimes invisibly sometimes like in a minor way, but without the individual testers getting their other thing but you'll see some names pop up and Some of these places especially when they were

Stepping in creating a new like I remember the era when some new ones had opened up and they were trying to compete So essentially their game was to more or less like try to get a few major testers over do some do some um Approaching and then get a bunch of new people in and start Cutting into the business of the established like third party Studio right away with competitive rates now competitive rates is always going to be very attractive to a project that's trying to come in under budget So when you offer a better rate for the same amount of man hours There's they're going to seriously consider it, you know and if it's a big enough game

They might come visit the studio do a walkthrough take a look and see like okay. Yeah, how's the security? How's this how's that and then they might even give you a pilot project and go okay Work on this small thing for us So let's see how you guys do and in those pilot project cases I guarantee you they take the best testers off of every project Put them all on This pilot and they create an all-star team. They crush it. They create a fucking globetrotters list I've been on I've been on those teams of globetrotters to just

Destroy a small thing and give the best possible impression which then often lands them the big contract. What's uh So i'll be scrolling through tiktok and there's a lot of little cultural parts of the world that I see via oh, I accidentally fell into Uh This brand of tiktok or whatever and like I don't know what the algorithm decided I needed to see but I fell into electrician and construction tiktok and

of note to this conversation Is that people working on the same project Who don't have the same job Can fucking hate each other because they're the actual important ones And so there's no respect between the drywall guys and the electricians But more importantly than that is A video I see over and over and over and over

Which is guys video taping them doing work And it is with the text Yeah, well my buddy says he can do it for half the price And the response is great you can pay that And my full fee when I have to come over and completely demolished the shitty work They did and then do my stuff from scratch Because they're gonna do garbage Um their projects sometimes would show up for an irregular amount of days

Because there was a salvaging that needed to be done because they didn't trust the place that they were currently contracted to After a certain amount of time So all this to say that the fact that there are Outsourcing problems that do totally exist out there Again, it's not always, but it's some places. Oh, man Especially if they're I just saw especially if the best x the succinct explanation of this in the chat buy cheap buy twice Sure, yep Um, you know if the places that are offering the best rates are also not focused on the best kind of hiring if they're if they've got

Hiring that essentially is again, like, you know People that are coming in that are not really well suited for this type of thing But they get through it anyway Then this leads to this type of result and then that result leads to the negativity that we then go on to see when I tell you the stories about devs who are upset and Treating testers like shit and making snarky comments and all that bullshit Sometimes it's because they're assholes and sometimes it's because they've worked with bad teams They don't trust and so they're now naturally just afraid of whatever is outsourced

And they don't really want to give them the time of day now if you get brought in on a hit squad Which is the like, okay We're going to take your testers and send them literally to the office and you work at the studio That'll often be a better impression and you can talk to them directly and make sure that you're on top of this shit, but But there's still these policies they put in place, especially when they're It all starts with the contract being a lie to begin with And once that domino is hit and the rest are falling into place and you're covering your your bases You're not delivering an accurate amount of man hours, but you you claim to be well

Then it's like, okay. Well, hold on a minute if you're not if you're not delivering the right amount of man hours Or if you're faking it or whatever is happening then what's happening in the database? How we what's what's what's the kind of Well, we're filling it up with garbage F-class bugs that fucking don't matter and we're just redoing the same ones in different areas Even though it would only take one thing to fix and we're just filling it up with the most Banal shit we can find as fast as possible because you want to see a lot of bugs in your database, right? More precisely

Quantic lobs had a daily quota of reported bugs which led to CD project not getting thousands of relatively pointless bugs from testers Which took up a lot of time caused the game breaking issues to not be found to prioritize So this gets to another thing that uh on a personal level It's i've seen this fight happen inside of every office i've worked at and it's the idea of the bug quota and it's the idea of Okay, uh, and it goes hand in hand With other money saving techniques, but to start it out

It is when you come in you punch and you sit down Before you leave today. I need to see x number of bugs from you Today no matter what happens. You don't get it. You you you better have 10 bugs in before the end of the day, right? and now You have a number that is going to massively disincentivize people

actually digging and finding anything and heavily incentivize just getting whatever the fuck they can out of the way and in some cases like fighting over issues with each other Or splitting them You know and things like that where like a whole a whole lot of nothing occurs But maybe we can turn like you will see something that bad testers will do is they'll find one bug and then they'll Like try to create three bugs out of the same one in a way different circumstances where it's like Different circumstances or things once the first bug occurs

There's three or four things that occur afterwards that are all more or less the same You know the textures are off on something or whatever the case is this results in that same texture being off on this other piece Of clothing whatever you know and then it's like you write up a second bug for that. It's like well. No, that's not a second bug It's the same one if the if the Texture is being off leads to the game fucking crashing and you losing your save well then compliance steps in and goes Okay, this gets upgraded to that type of thing. So you need to from a compliance point of view It's important to make sure that things always don't lead to a new classification of failure But on a regular functionality side of things

That'll happen sometimes and you'll just see people padding out their their daily quotas It goes without saying that sucks. Yeah, well, I mean willy. I'm just sitting here going like well What happens if I I know I have 10 bugs a day for my week and I'm gonna be working five days this week And I find 34 bugs in day one Does this not incentivize me to write up 10? And then save 10 for tomorrow and then save 10 for the day after You bet your fucking ass it does um

And 34 bugs right off the bat will indicate instantly how bad things can get But sometimes if you're not swimming in it, you'll just be like, yep cool done for the week You know, um and and in other cases, it'll just be like can I find uh a text error somewhere? I'm sure I you know, whatever the case is there are people who unfortunately will just that As a result of the shitty quota system Just not do a As solid a job covering things as they could um

It all works against the results of the of the game and the the shape that it ends up Well shipping in and then you put another factor into this in place in certain places where Testers that are not hired full-time are hired in on contract and they're on contract for Day-to-day calls to see whether they're in or not or week-to-week calls your your personal Hour-to-hour performance is now vital Yeah, well things originally were such that you would you would you would get hired and you were a part of the company And you worked on whatever was in according to their needs and what was flowing through Eventually that became something where they're like, we're going to hire less people

Uh, we're rather we're going to hire less way less people full-time and way more people part-time and offer them You know, again sometimes partial days sometimes full days But whatever they're getting is based on the projects in and when the projects are done Sorry, no time no use for you go home Eventually that became on a day-to-day basis. You'll find out what you're what you're doing And then once it's on a day-to-day basis where you're expecting a call every morning to see whether you're going to get work today or not Kind of like waiting to go pick strawberries on a on a farm There's going to be a step where it's like well

How many strawberries did you pick yesterday? And if you're somebody who's like If that quota comes down and you're in a day-to-day system where the quota is also going to determine the likelihood that you're Going to be found the next day you are now double incentivizing people to just Find nonsense one of the best piece of advice I ever received that never applied to me because I never worked in a corporate setting Is never give 100% because if you give 100% they're going to expect 100 every single fucking day of your life I've heard I've heard multiple people say that yeah, um so

This is all to just give another perspective on reading about this story and what we're seeing here where make no mistake deflection Is occurring and make no mistake. There's absolutely um Stuff that internally should be should have been happening For that game to to to release the state For that game to have come out in the state that it's in and I think an indicator of that which of course These are private documents. You'd never see them. But the the reports after submission and how big they are

How many pages they are would be a high indicator of you know, um how Sony microsoft and uh, uh, you know, how they felt about these games and when they took a look at what they found And if they got back fucking 10 page reports as opposed to like two or so Then that's a high indicator a very clear indicator that things are really rough Maybe you should add some time to this um But all all this is saying on the on the other side of things

Someone walks in has a quota and wants to put in those 10 bucks so that they get called back to Have a job the next day. You're gonna get shit quality, especially if they're their first six months and they're being You know like and and then they're pulling in these projects that need experience time and like real man hours being reported So it's it there's there's kind of a Fucked if you do fucked if you don't hear because let's say we're hiring a company that has padded its original numbers Right, it's padded the amount of people that are going to be there. It's padded the amount of work hours on it, right? What are you actually supposed to do with the quota? Let's take the quota that most people are going to be familiar with and hate

With every fiber of their motherfucking being present almost everywhere in north america Which is the fucking speeding ticket quota Right, mm-hmm You send you send two guys out and they're gonna and you're gonna say you're gonna cover this neighborhood and I want 100 speeding tickets by the end of the week. Why? Well, if you don't give them a quota at all, they're just gonna park the car behind the wendys and blow each other every day And you're gonna get three tickets when somebody crashes the car into the wendys So you've give them the fucking quota

So what do they do they invent? 99 cases of speeding on monday and go back to blowing each other behind the wendys from tuesday to friday There's no fucking solution if they're jackasses and they want to waste their time Um not to mention the fact that towards the end of the month suddenly things get way stupider and because they're oh, yeah They're running up against the day careful driving from the fucking 25th to the 30th Uh, because time's running out when guy when guys have been fucking sleeping in their car for 20 days For their whole shift Going shit. I got 300 tickets to write by tomorrow

Guess your hub guess your your fucking turn signals broken smash Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm so, um I've I've watched things like this happen on uh projects that are like Smaller in scale and I've watched things like this happen on projects that are like massive open world ones And obviously those are the ones that are going to suffer the most. So yeah cyberpunk is the kind of game that you know, um

You can't be fucking around with Basically, there's shitty studios and there's good as better to uh testing studios and if you can't be fucking around with shitty ones on a game of this size scope and um, I guess like brand so much brand new shit is being Uh put down like there's it's not it's it's Built off of the witcher threes engine, right? But yeah, it's no but it's a completely different thing Um, you don't have a lot of reference to go off of on previous entries and such. So

Yeah, you you if you signed up with and and and contracted in a studio that Is just one of those shitty ones um This is a very possible viable Uh, uh explanation for what happened there But now I will say but but it does not mean it does not make it makes sense that their own internal team

Would have been going through it and saying looks clean to us Yeah, no, that doesn't make any sense Hey I will say one thing in the defense of both this q oop I will say one thing in the defense of this qa team and the cd project devs that were on this that A complete and total management

And technological failure Resulting in issues of capital trust lying and management Is very cyberpunk It is on brand It is very very on brand Yeah um I I just I I've said it and I just I god I just wish I could look at the databases of these projects

Because like I feel like I could reach my fingers into the water And just if like close my eyes and just feel and go like okay Okay, the whole history is coming back to me like I can bug whisper dude If I can touch a database And just sit there and look at it with thousands of bugs in it I can feel the whole history of the project and how it came about Like I'm just I I've I've been in this place ever since I spoke to somebody who used to work at Bethesda a couple years ago And I was in this spot of like dude

I would give one of my fingers to get unrestricted access to what their database looks like before the project gets shipped Like I like I would kill To see what it looks like. Yeah. Yeah, you sort by wnf's you take a look at what's happening Then you immediately create a new column sort by comments in the discussion tab And see and see the highest number of comments back and forth over an issue And find out how many people were like arguing in the middle of this bug over whatever was happening and go see how it was resolved That'll teach you everything about it, you know um

But all this to say yes, if you're if you're looking for the opinion of someone who's done this a little bit and has seen it um On both sides here They're absolutely are shoddy qa companies. They're absolutely are shoddy qa teams that are are um overstepping Their their capability for better for better contracts um, yeah

I'm just thinking I'm just thinking you're you're talking about like the comment thread And I'm just thinking of like okay this bug whatever b-class blah blah blah The comment from the original tester and then the response by Programmer x that says this isn't a bug shut the fuck up. Yeah No, that you know or like we are even again the more vindictive and and snarky ones over time like It sucks. Um

But that's that's exactly it, you know, and it's Yeah, if if you fucking you just get hired your first time, you know, you you you just cut your teeth on whatever shitty um fucking A game they were using to teach you how to test bugs. I don't know for example championship manager And you're learning about like you're learning about how to enter bugs into a database from a goddamn glorified excel sheet And then they go cool. You've done three days of training. You're ready to go Uh, and then the first thing you do is sit down on cyberpunk like Boy, are you fucking in over your head and not aware of how to do anything?

In that kind of circumstance and how to test proper like you're you're missing so much Um, ah man, it's man hours. All our people are fucking legit the rock stars. There's not superstars There's not always a small project or small like mobile department to like go figure out and cut your teeth on in all these cases, but um I will say this like the studios that are full of shit in the third uh party world Don't tend to last very long um Unless they get acquired or bought out, you know, which keywords was certainly doing for quite a time

But but like some of the some of the shittier ones popped up and then just disappeared um Because it's it there's a there's a bit of a done two three projects and they all came out and fucking messed You know a little bit of that like telemarketing worlds of like someone who's been running the the scam at a bigger place says I can Fuck get 10 guys and 10 phones And sit in an office and then you're working there And you're fucking piece of shit Fucking scumbag mother fucking supervisor who tells you to fucking rob everyone

Just fucking quits one day for no reason and that is your fucking sign to just start running Because he because he fucking feels it coming down. I mean There's a there's a countdown from the moment he walks out to the till the gas canisters are coming through the windows That is my experience Yeah, when that fucking guy leaves It's fucking time to just walk out And just leave and never come back Yeah, man, um, I've been I've certainly been on both sides of that and and like

There are times when especially during crunch when she's going really bad when you kind of you write a report up and you're like look, um We've gone through we've we've we've done some time. We've I've had time to assess what's going on here. Ununfortunately um, it doesn't seem like this test is particularly good at testing and um They've had their training and stuff, but you know, maybe they need another I don't know. Whatever you just got it. You got to sit down and figure it out and then you try to you know, and then a couple a couple Um

A couple times, uh, you know, you'll you'll be like, hey, let's let's switch up the project Let's like sit back down and spend some time trying to figure out like how to you know Fix some of these issues and you you talk and such but there's some people that just bounce fuck off They're just not a good fit for it. They don't have the right understanding of it slash They literally just sit there and don't do anything and fall asleep all day Uh, in which case you kind of have to be like, yeah, this is not going to help the project in the end um And depending on on the council's man hours, dude

And depending on how busy things are they'll be like cool Sounds good. Got it. Hey, okay. No problem. And then Fucking nothing. It's just like yep. Chalk the hours up. Don't care. Get it done You know, um, when you're in a when you're in a scum shit fucking garbo place And you look around And you see The company rats, you know the fucking the people you can only describe as a fucking rat And what do you see them doing?

You see them building a tiny little fucking raft out of toothpicks and gum Because they can't swim yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you see them loading that thing up into a nearby river. It's time for you to leave Got it because they know the tide is coming Consider your options at the very least, you know, but um Yeah, uh, it's been it's it's a fucking there are some days where like

The email comes in about which higher-ups are are gone And there's just an end and there's just like a wave of every man for themselves just hits the floor It's just like what is happening right now like what? Okay, who oh god like You know You're just like you're searching through your emails to pull out that resume while you're still seated at the fucking test kit like it's There's there's just I don't like I've been in a couple places

and the feeling of like Walking in and a bunch of people aren't there anymore And this I don't like I don't how do you how to describe it like there's just a certain weird emotion Which is impending dread Floating around And you're and you're like did we hit an iceberg when I was at home? I mean, I'll I'll whenever people have asked advice about qa and such I'll always say that like it's easier to get started

Getting into a third-party place If you can work your way in towards a a first-party studio because they tend to care A quite a bit more about the quality of their hires Since they're usually full-time and they're going to be fucking directly responsible for the you know The the reputation of everything they're putting out And from that better hiring position It was much more When I had to create a compliance team it was much easier to like look through and go like okay

This person is really good at that. I've seen the way they work on this type of task and Yeah, absolutely. Let me get you build a team, you know And you can build a fucking a trustworthy group of people to like find that shit get it done consistently well and like um And then once you have that It's net you don't have to worry about like The accountability side because you know who you're working with and what and how

So it's just a matter of like give us the time and we'll deliver And this is where you hear me telling the stories of like The bullshit coming back from the higher ups You know where like I'm like I can do what you're asking me to if you give me the time and the ability to do it But if you don't give me that then you're not going to get that product, but like All of that all of those conversations are predicated on like having a capable team, you know Very important What if

Instead of giving you what you want I ask for more than what i'm actually telling you And give you literally nothing I mean look, um At that point it doesn't really matter because you're already getting paid so You know And if you're and if you're in like and if you're doing your your fucking plan Uh

You can ride that out burn some contracts make some money and then like a hop step jump Fucking parachute out of the burning plane before anything explodes and you'll be good So, you know Every man for themselves There's a certain joy To using your work hours to apply for a different job Yeah Yeah, like

I'm going to work and my job that they're going to pay me for is searching for a new job because fuck this place And then there's like the exact opposite of that which is like An email pops up and it's a potential contract to work with A company that you really care about the games they make and you go Holy fuck we cannot fuck this up and then just immediately through sheer force of will and like Yelling at whoever needs to be yelled at it's like no you're i'm you're going to you're going to put me on this And you're going to let me choose who's working on it and you're going to give me exactly the hours

I tell you we need to if you want to keep working with this company because I know exactly what they're about you know So it's it's really a genuine shame because I feel like you just latched on To the reason why the video game industry has a particular labor problem And that is an industry run by people who actually care about the work that they're doing Which is their problem People at the cracker factory making fucking packaged writs crackers

Are not going to work going fuck. Yeah, man. I can't wait to make the best fucking box of crackers in the world They're saying no, I want to go to work and do my shift and have nothing go wrong and go home So no one can come up to them and go but don't you really care About the the little jimmy biting in was for our saltine cracker and having a one. No, I don't give a fuck But people who work in video games Give a fuck Don't you want to work at Bethesda? Don't you want to work at blizzard? Oh, think of all those great games we've made and you can be part of that history

Like the first time a fighting game came to the office I was not in a position to schedule meetings and I scheduled meetings I made myself very known And got up and went and spoke to people and sat them down and said listen to me this is what you need to do and It things went in such a way that it went well enough that the second time a fighting game came into the office They just went, okay, woolly. Do you want to yeah? Yeah, no problem You know, I made it clear. This is what I'm about. You you're lucky. I'm here. I can fucking do this

You know, but you have to listen to what I say um anyways So that is the perspective I can offer you on the cyberpunk story Don't you want to make a diablo game? Don't you think that diablo games are super cool? You love diablo 2 You said in your job interview that you always wanted to make a diablo game Now just fucking tune this bullshit so that the fucking little piggies Fucking use their parents credit card. I got banned in china. God damn it. Oh, no

God damn it, but it was made for oh Oh, shit. That was the whole business model The whole business model was don't get this game banned in china damn damn for For such fucking hilarious reasons to Just like Hey, man, if you're gonna tweet some shit about winnie the pooh and about fucking

The china in the in a political sense by all means By all means you know Take a stab at it But also you might get this fucking Gacha shit game you're working on completely yanked permanently Hilarious because it's like all right

You weren't like where's the lie good shit. I see your tweet, but Now the game is banned. So yeah for anyone who's wondering that's the story where Diablo immortal has been banned in china and that's the one they were making where It's people have been testing it and I think someone had a report today That shows you that by compare doing a simulation of its drop rate Compared to everything else in from the the the fire emblem like gacha to the the the the miHoYo verse stuff

Like this is by far and away the most Obscene in terms of expected cost to get a five star character because the minimum Amount or rather the maximum amount was somewhere in like the range of $50,000 Possibly spent that you need to spend Insane, but Yes, it's the worst. It's the worst ever. It's like it's not even close. It's it's fucking a theft But and you know what's crazy? I just I very quickly googled Like to give blizzard some congratulations for Diablo immortal

They put the necromancer character in and he has his skeletons as part of the move list Which means congratulations having a skeleton based character in a game releasing in china Only to get it banned because some dumbass on your weibo account fucking went So there's a so there's a social media post that said uh, when would the bear fall off the seat? Which of course is making reference to yeah the winnie the pooh and uh chairman z and uh That was that like immediately after that as we know I think there was a story that was happening right at the same time that said china was yeah There's a story that was that china that was happening right at the same time where china was working on

uh verifying every single social media posts They're working on a system that like basically means every single post that that is made will need to be approved so Uh, this goes right hand in hand. Uh, and then immediately after that tweet goes out. Uh, yeah, you get a statement um you get The initial release date was supposed to be uh on the 23rd And uh china says fuck you no

Stop it and the game and diablo immortal is now blocked indefinitely And it will never be unblocked because that's that's personal right that's You did you did you said the no-no word No at the same time Chinese censorship is obviously awful right However, it cannot be anything other than hilarious when hollywood Or the games business

Just bends over and spreads their asshole for big china and then China turns their dick away and goes no I don't like the tattoo of winnie the pooh on your taint Yep, no, it's it's it's pretty that was graphic wasn't it? I'm sorry that was highly really you really got in there um anyway, uh as as as It should be made obvious in every one of these cases like yes that the the fucking the party is some bullshit

and uh calling out the party's bullshit Often will lead to the party not being too happy about that But when the game you are releasing is also some bullshit and is uh again just based on these numbers we're seeing just just Thiefing just stealing money from people asking them to drop a half million dollars into it to get it to get whatever Uh, uh, they're looking to get at and just the worst and the most predatory Gacha practices all that shit. It's hard to feel bad when the results of

uh their Tweet really, you know get there get the fucking game band It's it's shit on shit hilarious shit on shit violence with that and it's like in in all honesty Regardless of the reasons why it's done it the chinese government has unironically protected many of its citizens from predatory monetization that's hilarious That's hilarious indeed. Yes, right. Yes That's that's that's a that's a a funny little side effect that occurs there so

Yep, um And you know I've I've I know that uh Whenever discussed some people are definitely Uh, have a hard time distinguishing between the two but remember there's the country and there's the party And the party is the problem Um So

What uh Remains to be it remains to be seen what's gonna happen after this but good job. Good job. Diablo Good job some fucking dumbass You know what would be the best version of this story Well My last day I know what I want to do And I'm off enjoy the launch of Diablo immortal guys

Like What was that physical gesture That that was well Last day as social media man for blizzard Time to have a little goof At my company's expense. Oh, here we go. Ba ba da ba What's that piglet? Okay out the door. Goodbye

Uh So, uh, yeah, you know good good job on that one um Like part of me thinks that the new twinkie sensation the twink coin Was invented by a marketer who was retiring. I don't know what any of those words mean a goof All right, you know what a twinkie is. Yep. That's the the snack cake by hostess Mm-hmm Coming hot off the

Excitement around Crypto they've decided to release a limited version of twinkies that they are calling twink coins Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Just put your mouth around it and taste the cream I mean, it's kind of it's kind of shocking that they have not become one of those wendy's like accounts That have just gone far down that road already You know if you're the the name of your product is twinkies. I can't believe we haven't already gotten here

This is it's surprising that it's it's taken this long if anything it's Yeah, I mean I mean woolly yesterday I saw a real interaction between wheat fins and trisket In which wheat fins described there are nine but prefer trisket To which trisket responded. Ooh, we're feeling feisty. It's a cracker showdown And had a fist emoji with it

Like that they they don't know None of them know I think some of them that do know Know that it's better to ask for for forgiveness than for permission and take their They take their stab at it sometimes, you know I think that some of these are run by those who know on the behalf of those who don't know That's exactly what I think happens. Yes When you when you

When you are a group of people and you're taking a selfie And uh, you know a selfie is for you, but what if you're multiple people taking a selfie? Then clearly you're taking an us an ussy Aren't you a self ussy an ussy So that's what's happening, you know All right Uh Anyway, okay. Okay. The giant crab cannot fire the laser fast enough. What else is going on?

I'll tell you what's going on If you Uh, we're one of the people that was thinking, you know, all this noise about overwatch 2 just doesn't strike me as It does distract my interest. I'm quite fine. I'll just stick with my old copy of overwatch 1. Thank you very much In fact, they said no, bitch. They said that those people I think there was a point at which they said people with overwatch 1 will be able to play against people with overwatch 2 But regardless either way, uh, if you were just like, yeah, just stick to the original. I don't like this too shit too bad

Overwatch 2 is going to replace overwatch 1 Making the original unplayable in october And if there were any doubt if there were any still lingering feelings that overwatch 2 is really Actually a sequel and not just 1.1 Uh, I hope this I hope this addresses your beliefs Because sequels do not come out and make part 1 stop existing

That's not what a sequel is this Everything about overwatch 2 and the game releasing and being a game Is the most confusing thing I have seen in the games business for many years like It is unironically been totally baffling to figure out what they are even telling you you are buying Or if you're buying it I mean the entire thing the like literally Every single thing about overwatch 2

Seems entirely created to divert attention Like it's a patch Yep And that the game you bought and the things you spent Uh, your money on are now replaced with the free to play thing Um, we're you know, we're gonna assume that of course you're keeping all your your carryover progress and such but Um, yeah, you cannot go. I think that's a grand assumption I think I think it was I think it was announced with it here. I'm pretty sure I read that in the announcement with it

um You're gonna carry over your shit but Uh, it's somewhere in the in the article after they talked about the roadmap But anyway, uh, they're replacing the live service. Okay, you will it will carry. Yeah. Yeah. It was part of the announcement But um, like many sequels where everything in the first game transferred entirely over to the sequel with no changes Because it's totally a sequel like this is like every second of

of New information about this just makes it seem like the wildest lie of a game That just is this just say you wanted to redo like again overwatch Remap redo fucking re, you know next overwatch next like it's not too um Dead by daylight is doing like a huge overhaul of like all their perks and a bunch of like Uh, mechanical numbers and you know what that's called. That's called the mid chapter update Because that's what it is

So like now those videos showing you all the stage lighting changes And such like no the importance of those was not to show off look. It's daytime and nighttime Dorado, it's to show you this is look. It's the same stages. This is the new stage Version that is now the only stage version say goodbye to the one that you used to play on Um, it's now like yeah, six weeks. Six is just gone like everything is just gone uh They clearly didn't always intend for this to be the case if they were saying things like oh, you'll be able to play against uh, people using overwatch one players, but

uh, all of this deflection game plan And and then look over here. Uh, whoo. Hey all of that. This is the The first thing they fucking said was overwatch two will come out and its big value add will be its Its single player and pve content and don't worry You'll still be able to play with overwatch one players to which point that first. Hey, here's what the game is Every single part of that no longer exists or never did You mean the pve that is actually a long-term post launch goal that doesn't even have a concrete date Other than a year

Just you know that thing that happens when a new game comes out and people play it and then they go like They're fans of the old one and they go Fuck this man. I'm just gonna go back to the old one I feel like playing that now And then you do and then like it creates a little bit of a pocket resurgence of people going into the classic thing Uh, fuck you You are not allowed Man

Now Hey woolly You know what's we we play fighting games. We play shooters. We need to play all these things. You know, what's really great when they put out street fighter two And you were able to play as two extra characters When did that happen Overwatch two is the sequel that features two new characters

Sojourn and Junker Queen Wow A whopping two characters I now I will say that if street fighter Uh championship edition called itself street fighter three. I would have been very upset Yeah, wouldn't you have been I would have been very upset characters Um

It's fucking silly man. It's silly Yeah, I'm trying to take a look at the list here They you're getting less new characters in overwatch two than you would in a like 40 dollar update to a fighting game Um Okay, so what happens if you boot up Um a console copy Does it of overwatch? Yeah That's a great question

It does it just force a massive update? And then boot as overwatch two on your ps4 No, uh a text box comes up that says eat shit moron Like Is it just gonna be that like that obnoxious full-on update and then yeah, fuck off It probably actually unironically will it'll come up with a thing that says did you know that overwatch two is free? And link you to the store page But I'm just like will there be yeah, you're like will you be able to like work your way into the menus somehow?

You know or like is it just gonna be like nope boot up the free the the the the the store page exactly with the free download? Yeah, they could we got people mentioning that on uh on the switch overwatch two is being listed as a dlc Oh It's honest then it's honest about what it is on this on the eshop. Okay. All right. I see that Um Yeah, this thing this this thing this is great Uh other things blizzard so much. Oh, I'm so glad they exist makes it easy for us So, you know who it's not going easy for

Babylon's fall pretty vague actually has reached zero concurrent players on steam Congratulations zero Shoutouts to steam spy and tools that allow you to monitor a game without actually booting it up Therefore giving you an accurate number Of the exact moment It hit zero which was june 16th at 10 p.m You know, there's a there's a

God I forgot who did it, but it's it's it's uh a content creator does video essays You probably look it up if you look it up. It's like what does a game being dead actually mean? Mm-hmm Right. What what is it? What is a dead game and and how many people do you actually have to have on a on a server to Actually play a game or you know, is it 200? Is it a thousand right and they went into a bunch of of Quote unquote dead games stuff like red orchestra and stuff like that. I was like, I know you could totally play it Right like it's viable. It's not 50 100,000 like call of duty

But like you can get a match you may not be able to get a match in every mode, you know stuff like that, right? Zero though Yep, not one zero is fucking zero not one Nothing Um Is it race Vic it's race Vic He does good stuff Yeah, I'm but yeah, no zero zero there's nothing like

That's hey, hey, hey true believers out there. You want to you want to fucking uh You want to load up Babylon's fall and be 100 of its global player base? You know, there's just you know that like no matter how much other games Might have come and gone here and there and whatnot. There's always just the thought that well I don't know. Maybe some or somewhere on the other side of the planet is playing um Astral chain right now offline. Oh, yeah

You know, there's probably a couple hundred people. Yeah playing astral chain. Sure. Why not? Put the nature of this game and it's it's Having to be online just allows you to see that like no that is not happening Not a soul not a soul is playing which as you know that means if you were to jump on you would play it and be You'd be playing the worst most busted version of the game where you'd fight everything as if it were still at team scale Um Anyways, but you would also be the world's best Babylon falls player you would be you would be I bet you this are the best person this news is probably going to cause a little bit of a spike, you know

Oh, totally. Maybe up to 20 Well concurrent all 30 24 hour was um What was that? There was a couple people. Yeah 13 13 people, you know, and then 26 over the course of a day. So We're doing it Anyways steam charts. Oh, let's see. Um Oh man

these Oh, this is even more dire than I thought So, uh, there were 16 people playing 40 minutes ago respectable But what's of grander note? Is the all-time high For Babylon's fall on steam Is 1166 Mm-hmm

And that was the day it fucking came out So Anyways, um In other news, uh, always a good time when Uh, we can take Something that creeps out just about everybody. I know In regards to uh, let's say Alexa I know a whole lot of people that are like

Absolutely not get that shit away from me. Turn it off on your tv. My tv comes baked it with it in No, shut up. Fuck off. I don't want it. Don't want it. Get it away from me horrible And then kind of given up the algorithm clearly hears me. Well Um, that's okay because uh, when you pass on Uh, Alexa can mimic your voice As it can use a voice assistant to impersonate dead people with just a one minute recording Now allowing you to live on In deep faked format

The thing we've all been horrified by Uh, advertised as a feature So a child in the in the the the video goes Alexa can grandma finish reading me the Wizard of Oz and then it switches over To grandma's voice, but grandma's not alive anymore I'm torn on this okay

That is obviously horrific Obviously That is grotesque in a way that I find difficult to vocalize Mm-hmm However, but I personally Had to make peace with the nightmare Many years ago

When I thought about how many hundreds of thousands of hours of my own voice exist Mm-hmm You wouldn't need technology to make me read you a story. You would just have to be patient And now Everyone can feel the horror. Is that what is that so I yeah kind of the silver lining is you all feel it too My internalized nightmare has been democratized There's a great, uh there's I enjoy it. There's a great moment of

Reggie coming to that realization because you know, he was not thinking about that world and there's a clip of it Yeah, he's new to this world. I explain them like by the way, you've been at this for you know, at least a year or two Um, that's more than enough time for your eternal AI self to have exactly what it needs To feed off of your voice clips and facial expressions and just recreate you in the future. It's already done. It's committed. It's over Um, and uh that did not sit too well with him in the moment Now the the real question here is

Not Can an AI read a bedtime story? or Can a uh an AI robot paint a masterpiece or compose a symphony As you would think in asimov's iRobot the question for me

is Can an AI correctly simulate Me desperately trying to explain Why eating dry pasta is totally normal? And then throwing a tantrum when I can't convince any one of that I think it might be a bit Before that is the case

Okay, we swerved I was following you I really did think that you were going to say that Uh, you wanted to know whether an AI would be able to I don't know Call your parents and pretend to desperately need help And for money to be transferred as well as their credit card numbers with the digits on the back To this account over here, which is all of course being read in your voice

But sure Raw pasta is a concern too. He says as he bites into raw pasta It's good. The crunch is good for you It's actually quite bad for you, but hey I'm just gonna mentally Filter out what's happening right now and pretend it isn't effectively. So that's good. We just don't even need to an AI Be able to simulate bizarre food habits and mental illness probably not for a while Don't react to it folks. You're giving him power

Learn do you know from my example eating dry pasta is what's known as Anti-nutrients you're feeding him with your thoughts and feelings right now Stop it. I have more experience in this than anybody on this planet Stop it, you know and he will not have power over you You know woolly. I think 15 years ago I said something really fucking stupid to you and I don't remember what it was, but it was fucking stupid It was an absolute head-ass dumb brain fucking cockamamie idea

And you started to argue with me And I stopped you and I said, what are you fucking stupid? Why would you take that stupid ass shit? I just said seriously even I am like that's the stupidest fucking thing I could think of in this world And I said it with total all my chest confidence And you're gonna convince me that that stupid ass shit is wrong. What is wrong with you? And you looked at me and what I'm sorry. That was my mistake continue

Yeah, yeah Now you see folks, you got to learn you got to learn how this works. Um, so Um Anyway, totally not gonna be used for nefarious purposes immediately after unveiling the feature totally not absolutely not Not a chance That's fucking awful Anyway, um then just a

Some random stuff over here on the on the kojima side of the internet He said they said hey, hey, what's what's what's going on with you could actually that's not true No one said that no one said anything to kojima, but kojima grabbed twitter. No one has to And that was all it took the man's having an internal dialogue with a character that doesn't exist and he's just telling it to you So via twitter we've now discovered that, uh Kojima was watching the boys quit after three episodes and Realized that it was too close to an idea that he was working on

He had a project that he wanted to make which involved uh a group of basically a buddy cop movie With a guy and a girl that were a special detective squad facing off against big legendary superheroes And taking them down with mads mickelson as the lead Yeah, that sounds like kojumbo And genius kojumbo. Yep even genius even um

And it never he said it never left his mind. So it didn't incur any costs labor material or research uh, but No mentioned as to whether or not he might return to that idea in the future But because because the boy he stopped watching the boys because it came too close Okay, uh to to what he was thinking Concept was similar but different settings and tricks which is A hilarious way to describe it because he's like, oh, yes. No like we I the tricks that I use are different

You know like and it makes me wonder like what do you consider a trick? Is it a fucking mean? Is it a trick? What does that mean? That Heart man has A heart condition. Does that is that a trick? That we had to discover Hmm What are what are see the trick is that he's gonna have a name and the name's gonna be literal

Does does do the kojima isms that we often Uh uh go on about like does he just consider these to be tricks? Is that the word? No, okay get this right Guys got superpowers, right? And his superpower Is being stung by bees. Okay, so he's gonna be called the pain Because it hurts right right right right right right. There you go. There you go Absolutely

Um What about that giant flaming ghost writer spirit popping out of the cosmonaut Uh, that's gonna be the fury because it yells because it's mad Because it's angry it's upset hey, um I recently heard that story about the um Was he based on the cosmonaut that like crashed back to earth screaming angrily at uh The soviets when they had a shitty

A rocket and like he did it knowing it was basically a suicide mission because I heard about this. I'm gonna I'm I'm not super familiar with that But that definitely sums up the overall attitude of the russian space program. Yeah, because because I just I heard I lurched I recently learned about um this dude who was considered like a you know a hero with the in the cosmonauts that was He successfully completed a mission and then they were gonna have This this other guy was gonna go back up and and use this newer shittier rocket That was absolutely just anyone who looked at it twice could tell this thing was gonna fucking fall apart in reentry

and They asked him to do it and he went I don't want to fucking do this But the guy who's my hero who is like my kind of my mentor They're gonna make him go back up there and do it if I say no So I have to do it And then there's this whole uh recording where you can hear him on the way back in reentry Going holy shit. Fuck all of you. You piece of shit. You killed me. This thing sucks and just going off And uh requesting an open casket funeral, which of course is a picture of just a burnt husk of nothing

Uh because he knew that it was doomed to fail So I'm kind of like come to think of it. I'm thinking about the fury again And I'm like, oh, you know, is it related to that at all because that's a real thing that happens man's name was albert einstein Komarov Komarov was his name But sure That big angry skull You know, so I just saw somebody in the chacko. Is that real and my first reaction was to say who cares

Um, I don't care if the story you just told me is real Yeah, yeah, anyway that that might have been it. Um, so that's going on and uh Not much to this other one as well, but uh, it Unlike kojima on twitter, uh, they actually did do an interview with the um producer of Ff 16 yoshida, of course who sat down and said a few things about the game talks about the the protagonist and you're gonna play him through three different ages

And you're gonna have ai companions. You're gonna have these, uh Uh, uh summon battles the acons versus acons and it's going to switch genres all that stuff Um, which explains those two life bars and in some cases it's going to be like a Wrestling match in another case. It might be a battlefield. So the the game is just going to become a big spectacle for those fights um and then uh What I thought was an interesting drop in the bullet points here was the fact that it was going to be designed as a

Area-based game that gives you a feel of of a global scale, but it's not open world And I think yeah, okay, and and I feel like actually saying that right off the bat is a good thing Yeah, just right like it's like okay. No icons acon How do you icon icon is it with an e in the front? Yes, okay Um, but it is pronounced icon as in like an icon of sin or an icon of worship Uh, is that word used uh

Before exhaustively in 14. I was gonna ask if it was 14. Yeah, okay It's not it's not like a a japanese word. It's just a no ff 14 word No, it's they wanted to say icon like icon. Yeah, they wanted to make it sound fantasy style So they put an e in front of it eikon got it. Okay, so it's pronounced icon. Thank you um So, uh, yeah, the fact that they're straight up saying hey, this is not open world is like Oh, shit everyone and their mother would have assumed that it would be based on the way Things are going these days industry-wise. Um, and

It's you know, I didn't expect that mainly because they didn't show any shots of the character looking over a big landscape That had like a tower in the distance I suppose I suppose it's all been heavily cinematic in in what they're revealing. But just it just it does feel that like um Anything that's considered like quadruple a enough is just going to have to be kind of open world That's the default expectation For things and I and I like, you know, I can respect it if it's like nope. This is just narrative and it's gonna be fine um, doesn't have to be hallway certainly, but

there's a Balance, I think you can accomplish where um A game that had an over an rpg that has an overworld is not considered an open world game There's a difference between those two things. Yeah, most final fantasy games are area based Like the vast majority of them um Yeah, so

Uh, that is gonna Yeah, there's gonna be another trailer uh dropping explaining a bit more but apparently the game's done Polish it Make it shiny get your internal qa team to qa it So somebody who's playing a lot of mmo's and playing a lot of 14 The qa guys they got over there are pretty good because mmo's are usually fucked up not this one So that game's probably gonna be polished to a mirror shine Yep, you um

Uh, I would imagine their internal team is half of the employees that work there if not you possibly even bigger because um You need that kind of coverage to keep an mmo tight Also a weird little final fantasy 16 story is that the english voice acting will be in british english to accommodate americans Uh, what?

They literally came out and said that they they just made the decision to record all of the english voice acting in british english Specifically to appeal to americans who would otherwise argue about characters accents and pronunciation of words Okay Sure sure Fucking last story in xeno blade. We got used to that Everyone's still on the monado. So yeah, fine Ruin time

All right, let's take some letters All right, if you want to send in a letter send it to castle super beast at gmail.com No, no castle super beast mail at gmail.com. That's castle super beast mail at gmail.com. That's correct All right, we got one coming in from Uh Michael says dear pat and woolly couldn't come up with funny names I was watching pat's eye the somnium files play through and I decided and I noticed a good example Of a fake mechanic something designed to feel

Uh Like an interesting mechanic when in fact it serves zero gameplay functions. It's just a narrative purpose um In somnium files There's a couple of points in the game where the character has to swap out different types of bullets for their special Evolver gun depending on the situation when the game gets It shifts into what looks like an ammo ammo selection screen Where the correct ammo is selected and loaded into the gun none of this is spins and its whole thing

None of this is controlled by the player and the end result is always the same kind of quick time event No matter which bullet is loaded into the gun Yeah, it's it's it's completely fake Like iba will go load in the exploding bullet and it'll it'll go to like a blue void inventory screen Where it's like spinning the fucking bullets and it'll slow down and select the right one and it'll go Got it and slot it in and it's like it's a fucking cutscene. It's just nothing. Yeah What are your favorite fake mechanics like these? I don't know. That's probably fucking way up there

Like that's like Like uh, like how do somnium files is a weird game because it it it wants to pretend it isn't just a visual novel By giving you like technical control But you you can't Actually fail or do anything actually out of order Like it's there to make you feel like you're playing along with the mystery, but you're not Um, I can't think of any fake mechanics that I liked On that level

um Yeah, well some folks are saying as you're as wrath like I know that that a lot of those fights turn into the into into Yeah Sequences that are less about control and more about stuff, but you know, that's a whole other discussion Um, okay Here's one coming in from uh, camo steel says dear patley the turtle and the woolly I was listening to the most recent podcast episode where you talked about awful game mechanics from the mid aughts most notably awful tailing missions

Where everything has been terrible, but one example stood out to me that I never found annoying In sly 2 band of thieves. There's several tailing missions throughout the game The first one appears in the tutorial part level In mission 5 follow dimitri You're introduced and tasked with the first following the first boss dimitri through a level accompanied by his eclectic speaking patterns and dope club music Maybe mine's nostalgia glasses Maybe it's my nostalgia glasses. This is my favorite bit in the game franchise But I never found this to be annoying or boring or tedious as other tailing missions

Not to mention this came out in 2004 three years before ask read the reasons being it doesn't limit your movement Speed or verticality. In fact, it encourages you to get on the rooftops directly above him instead of Set distance from behind him, which feels way more sneaky He has a lot of character in his dialogue and walk animation missions feel like they're cohesively within the game The whole thing takes two minutes anyway. So even if you hate it, you aren't trapped There's several other tailing missions like this in the game But each innovates the mechanic in some way by changing up what you play as and who your targets are As well as a platforming obstacle course luring the world bosses to various locations

Sometimes getting directly behind them to pick pocket without being noticed Wanted to talk about the series. I love mostly that just deserves more attention but it got me curious about examples you can come up with of typically awful game mechanics and tropes being used in Uh ways that are exceptions to the rule Yeah, so the reason why it's good and sly is because they actually work an entire gameplay system around it Mm-hmm Right. It's it's why crafting in your average fucking ubi shit game Is completely different from a game that is actually about scrounging and putting like

Pieces of shit together to barely survive and and level your character stats tailing and hitmen Can be really good when there's a lot going on When you're following your mark 100 and you're picking how to go about you know, uh, uh Finding the spot to do it and setting things up running ahead Some of those missions where the the mark starts out in a really obvious place and then has to work their way through a giant compound Are fantastic, uh takes on tailing missions. So yeah, there are exceptions Also Sorry to dive back into the old one, but I I thought about a fake mechanic

and I double checked it while Uh, we were talking um I and it's a bad fake mechanic And that is sprint in halo infinite It's not technically fake But it definitely portrays itself as So, you know when you sprint in a first person shooter you see your character's arms go

And the screen shakes and you get a little bob How much faster do you think you move in halo infinite on a percentage base than normal? Uh I don't know 15 Lower 10 Lower five It's eight eight percent the the the big Like screen shake

Fucking arms of can't shoot sprint in fucking Halo infinite is at 108 percent walking speed. Okay. So how about this mass effect one original version not legendary Where yeah sprinting apparently did nothing Zero percent speed increase just screen shake and stamina bar Fuck off purely disadvantageous is what I was told In which case it's nothing but bad Oh

Completely an utterly fake mechanic that just makes it worse Do you do you remember playing gears of war one multiplayer and seeing what the roadie run looked like from outside your body? I don't remember what it looks like from third person dude. It's it's like The roadie run in gears makes you feel like you are a race car And when you see somebody else doing it, they're just like i'm coming Like it is it's hilarious dude the wide fov man Like anytime something just gets like it's like it speeds up and the lines are going Like you could make anything look insanely quick

um Yeah Like I and i'm gonna disqualify anything that is it writes it says it does x but it's broken and doesn't do anything Because that's You know that's a mistake. That's that's not as intended. It's not fake for the sake of being fake It's but in this case in mass effect one like they designed a whole thing It has a stamina system that makes you tired when you get exhausted And doesn't allow you to aim properly and has it has repercussions and all of it's in there

But it's like maybe that strikes me as like maybe they had it at a number And then they realized that if you sprinted around the game Um, it was right exactly. Well, actually there was a bug that says if you save while sprinting you can corrupt your save that was a thing is that the other thing is that Come to think of it In mass effect one even when you're not sprinting if you're moving too quickly the fucking Loading disc will show up and the game will freeze

It's possible that they had sprinting in and realized that their loading just couldn't keep up with it The draw distance stuff and the ability to load up because that's the second thing that comes to mind is like, okay Bug fix makes sprinting not actually sprint But don't take the feature that's Somebody in the chat just had one of the best ones There is a warframe in warframe called gauss who is the speedster He is about running fast. That is his deal He is the speed man and he is observably and categorically slower than volt

But he has more speed lines on his camera when he moves Okay um Focus energy in gen one pokemon was intended to multiply the user's crit ratio by four But instead it divides it in by four Wow, wow, okay Okay, um Send in more fake mechanics later. These are fun. I like mechanics are good

Uh, we got one coming in from mia who says hello, woolly and also pat the trouble with most creators Is that they are mortal and can die at any point Even if they're not done with whatever they're making this issue can be tracked Back to uh, vergell who famously died creating the a and id popularizing the concept Recently we tragically saw this happen with mira leaving berserk in the hands of koji mori reminds me of douglas adam's death where uh yoan

coffer wrote and another thing as the final hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy book which was released to an overwhelming reaction of Well, at least you didn't fuck up the series This does raise the question though. What series does get fucked up the hardest by the creator's death? Love mia Uh, that's uh, that's an interesting one. What has resulted in It going awry I think I want to point out before we move any further that I uh nearly cringed myself to death just now As you were describing uh when vergell died before finishing and like what vergell didn't oh, yep

The actual the actual one Um, yeah Um A lot of folks are saying ruby I'm seeing tong clancy. That's a good one Hmm. Yeah, uh, no montee um, I can see I can understand that one um, there's stuff that comes to mind where it's like More like uh hypotheticals in a in a weird a weird way

I know that 8th ms team gundam the director died midway through production But that sucks. Yeah, and it took them an extra three years to to finish it But they fucking clinched it out and it came out great um But as far as like going the other way on it, I don't know But I have a potential future one that May go Into this category

I mean you could say grim right now. You could say grim you a lot of every yep That's what's on everyone's brains, but I'm going a completely different direction with it I don't know what's gonna happen but I Black panther to Wakanda forever I can't Imagine what we get would ever be What we would have gotten

Yeah, no for real That's just what that is And I and I I they're gonna do their best I suppose and we'll get something and I hope what we get is is all right but That one I feel like there's nothing you could do to really make it What it would have been I think the only thing that I could

Imagine that would be More that it that is more awful than that Is that I genuinely don't think that the game of football was ever the same after john madden died The creator of football of course Well, yeah, yeah for sure I Think my favorite part of that is that every time I say john madden died is like he's obviously still alive Um

Game of death is a pretty good one actually that's true. They really oh, yeah game of death is a weird fucking thing They had to warp Bruce Lee's face all over that thing and higher stand ins and it got unwatchable That is a Yeah Um, John madden is dead fuck football is never gonna be the same Dude, I thought you were joking. Of course. He's dead. That was a huge that was huge news

What was it? Yes, then why do people stay play football? Why do people stay play football guys guys? What did I say? What did I say? Stop Stop feeding the beast, okay God damn it dudes All right, anyways, here we go We got one coming in over here, uh conch says

Hello, honorable lords and sir willy madden and sir pat gazest Upon while listening to you guys discuss the morality system and bioshock It got me thinking of the way I used to play oblivion I would enter the imperial city kill the guards With the cool white and gold armor try to get it and it never dropped So instead of turning myself in I'd go and massacre the guards in all sections of the city Realizing how much fun it was I would rinse and repeat all the other towns slaughtering all the guards So my question is was there ever a moment where being evil was entirely better?

If not the best way to play the game The fuck you talking about man You sound nuts. That's uh, that's a question That's a question Hope things are okay Um Dishonored Sure this dishonored sure

Just in case you didn't think they were still coming in they're still coming in. Um, hey We got one over here, uh, who uh Uh, let's see. I don't care, but it'll piss off a lot of people. Elena says there are two castle beasts I want to say I don't I don't care how hydro city is pronounced and I never did as a neutral observer All I can say is that hydro city folks tend to be 10 times more obnoxious and frustrating to argue with than Hydro city ones that alone makes me want to side with them out of spite Not that it matters given that all has been increasingly less consistent over the decades

And acting like there's a definitive answer What even sega makes jokes about the lack of confirmation is just devolving into splatfest here nonsense What a bunch of stupid idiots you all are especially the ones listening to this right now Sounds like the words of a hydro city sayer I will say I mean I I can't agree with that people who say hydro city are obviously going to be More annoying and more up their own ass about it because they're right See

See the way the way it works is when you walk into a room and There are two people fighting and one has a shirt that says pro scub and the other has a shirt that says anti scub That's right If you have a funny bone in your body and you understand what's hilarious you will immediately violently become one side or the other 100% and this is the only way to go if you have anything If you have anything inside of you that understands what it means to be entertaining You will violently choose a side on site And that will be the way the way it remains until you die

And if you don't understand that then I'm sorry for your loss If you were to knock me out and tattoo the word scub on my hand I would either have to get a tattoo that says anti next to it or chop it off Because I will not live that scub life It just it's it's just it's something you have to understand as a neutral observer. All right. This is the way it goes All right I'm uh Yeah

That's uh, we'll call it there All right, everybody have a good week except for pro scub freaks who say hydrosity You