Castle Super Beast - CSB 174: Muppets: The First VTubers

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 DEREK I want to apologize to everyone, I don't think you'll be able to hear it, but if you are able to hear my disgusting mouth flaps, eat this peanut butter, apologies, I've been running around all morning, trying to get all sorts of chores done, and just barely got here, even like half hour late, so that's my bee everybody. Oh, good, that doesn't affect MP3 files, but you know. Well, I mean, I'm using the fucking, what do you call it, the fucking NVIDIA bullshit on the MP3 as well, so you would hope that would fucking work. Oh, is it turned off? Are you switching it on and off? I don't fucking know. I'm doing my best out here, and my best sucks, as Paige says.
Starting point is 00:01:32 Well, you know, whatever, we can just get Alexa to listen to 60 seconds of your voice, and then I can just talk to Alexa. Just make a whole fake fucking podcast? I guarantee you that's within a decade is an AI-generated podcast that is a conversation happening, and it's going to have a bunch of parts where it won't make sense, but kind of like other AI-generated things at the moment, we're getting to the point where, yeah, you can probably skim like 10 minutes, maybe 20 minutes of conversation before you detect some weird shit. Would I be able to have a fake podcast with myself? Because that seems insufferable. Um, in terms of content, certainly, in terms of voices, though, you could fake a bunch of shit. You could absolutely just write a script out, and or press a button to switch a filter on so that you sound like another person, and then just fake a podcast with yourself easily. Oh yeah, we're definitely already there.
Starting point is 00:02:38 You know, on the topic of faking it, I'm just thinking I could have a deep fake fucking AI robot discussion about how the only thing gahondoms are good for is faking your orgasm so you can get out of there. It's the only thing they're good for. You know, um, you know who already, already has faked a podcast with themself? Yeah. Shari Lewis from fucking Lamchop's Play Along had an entire career based on making a fake podcast with her herself and putting on a filter for the second character. You know what I don't understand about Shari Lewis and Lamchop and Charlie Horst and all those guys? I was during this weird process, a part of my childhood, where there were a bunch of shows that I would watch all the time, and I fucking hated them. Like, I don't think I enjoyed a single fucking episode of Rupert the Bear.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I think Rupert the Bear can fucking go to hell and die. I think I've seen every single fucking episode of Rupert the Bear. Uh, I've seen a lot, I've seen a lot of, the deal is you watch them all, no matter what, but yes, there's a bunch that were, there's some were good and some were shit. Uh, Lamchop's Play Along, I definitely just zoned out, but it still is formative enough that it's in there that I'm like, yeah, that was, that was some, is that, is that a Canadian bit? No, Americans know what Lamchop is, right? Like, yeah, no, I think Rupert is like British Canadian. That's, that's getting in there. Because he was a British little shithead and he had the scarf.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Um, uh, I want to say PJ Ashley's Playhouse, which, yeah, totally, I'm sure that, that, that the, the, the YTV PJ show got exported to America at some point. Um, that's another, I don't know man, when you say PJ. Yeah, exactly. A lot of Americans just, the brain turned off. The show where the host is talking to themselves via characters or like puppets is basically what we're describing with faking an AI or faking a voice and doing a fake podcast. Really, it's already been established. Are Muppets the first VTuber? No, but they are a form of VTubing.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Yeah, yeah. Muppets are a form of VTubing. You can't pretend they're not. Um, yeah, everything Jim Henson. Yeah. God, I love the Muppets. I wish I could hug every Muppet right now. Um, except, except for Bert.
Starting point is 00:05:32 You know what was weird though? I was too young to understand like that it was a parody of a variety show. That was the one thing that always escaped me was like, I would tune into the Muppets show and want and expect to see like, like adventures of Kermit and friends. You know, and Big Bird and Grover. No, not, not Big Bird. Well, I know, but like they're, they're tangentially related. Like they're, they're friends and they know each other and all that crap. And then it was, it's just a fucking weird ass anti variety show.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Yeah. And then, you know, in Statler and Waldorf would make fun of it. And it was just like, it was making, it was, it was a parody of like all the, the variety type shows that, that were on before then. But I was way too young to understand that because to understand a variety show, you need to understand the concept of like late night. You know, from, uh, pre-SNL fucking Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke, you know what I mean? Like there's a lot of referential shit that you need to get to get what Muppet show is even going for. And it's not just Kermit and friends. Like three years ago, I was like, I'm going to watch the Muppet show.
Starting point is 00:06:42 And so I watched a couple episodes and I'm like, this is a puppet based parody airing in the seventies of a type of program that no longer exists. That I never really got into. Yeah. And so as a result, it is the weirdest fucking thing in the world. And I think that's why they did go on to eventually make shit like Muppet babies because they didn't really like kids weren't like me. We're not exactly getting why the show was so all over the place and why there was no like continuity to what was going on. You know, it's, it's like you establish the, the characters and their relationships with each other. But otherwise, like I don't understand a bit that's a reference to fucking.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Yeah, old variety shows, you know. Yeah, Kermit and Miss Piggy are talking about about how what their fucking stupid pregnant front babies are going to look like. And meanwhile, the news slash comes on new Reagan got shot. Let's sing a song like what the fuck is what? Yeah, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And then, you know, and I would say that like that also includes like, even though variety shows kind of went away, like they came back in the form of like skit shows and things that are more like less on a stage and more outside. Like, you know, anything like Benny Hill fucking Monty Python, all that shit, you know, counts and Chappelle show counts, even though it's on stage presenting film.
Starting point is 00:08:21 There's bits, you know, and then Key and Peele and so on. So it's like, that's basically what the variety show ends up being. Yeah, it began the sketch comedy show. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But Muppet show was like enjoyed for its characters, despite not getting that bit at all. Then you get shit like Muppet Christmas Carol, which is probably the best version of Christmas Carol.
Starting point is 00:08:49 I like, I know. So good. So I know like the movie is also super beloved, but I completely forget what happens in it. Like, I want to say I saw it like on VHS at like a friend's place once or something, but I have no memory of the movie. I just know that it's like. Well, Michael Cain's a fucking piece of shit. He doesn't want to give anybody the money. And then Gonzo and Rizzo are narrating it.
Starting point is 00:09:20 And then it's just the same fucking story, but Muppets. That's it. It's, it's, it's like fucking Muppet Treasure Island. But the difference is his fucking Long John Silver and that is fucking. Oh, what's his goddamn name? He's the best actor ever. He was in Daniel Daniel Lewis fucking. No, no, Tim Curry.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Oh, Tim Curry. Okay. Tim Curry. And Tim Curry is just fucking Tim Currying it all over with the Muppets. So God, I fucking love Tim Curry. Fucking. Yeah. Absolute goat.
Starting point is 00:10:02 The thing that. Okay. Muppets is a brand. I don't know if they're doing this. I'm assuming they're not. But if I was the brand ambassador in charge of Jim Henson's Muppets, every one of those characters would have a Twitch channel with their own V tubing set up with their face in the corner doing LPs on a regular basis.
Starting point is 00:10:26 Oh yeah. It's crazy that if that's not already doing Cookie Monster needs to be doing LA beast style food challenges. Gonzo TV. Right. Animal just spending three hours on a drum kit while people make requests. And then animal just fucking botches everything and goes crazy. Fawzi is uploading his friend's cam footage of just the absolute worst fucking sets
Starting point is 00:10:58 that he's doing an open mic night in his local pub. Hot tub, Miss Piggy. Oh yeah. Miss Piggy hot tub stream. Fire me. I'm making you money guys. It's right there. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:11:16 Just you stay like you get relevant, bring it in and you just have like the like a more advanced like rig that has like the body set up and everything and just like like just Miss Piggy in the water and like all the non people donating and madness just absolutely like there's there's so much to go off of there. What are y'all doing? It's been it's been decades and decades and still the appeal of what if we just had a regular program but it was this fucking stupid puppet instead. This is it's great.
Starting point is 00:11:52 I wish I was a Muppet. I have a dog that looks like a Muppet but then that's as close as I think I'm going to get. I'm sure over the years there's been some like Muppet vacation of us at some point. I feel like I'm maybe I'm hallucinating. You can have you can have a fucking you can have a variety gaming channel with Swedish chef and call it Varg Skeletor. I'm missing the reference but okay. I'm sure people will appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Yeah. You absolutely. I mean no you know what I'm thinking there. I'm thinking yeah the Remerai art style is basically us as Muppets. Let's be real. That's the club. That's that's more or less what's going on with that art style. To fill you in Willie that's Joel's Twitch username.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Okay. So that is a probable like that is it that is that is how you stay relevant. That is how you stay keep Muppets in the in the the 2022. Now I'm just happy. I'm just having a good thoughts about Muppets. I love them. I watched Muppet babies. That was weird.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Feel like people that didn't grow up in the 90s are never going to understand just how fucking weird it was that the commodification of every property ever into a Saturday morning cartoon show was like our rated films like Robocop and Terminator and Aliens. Yeah. Being turned into Saturday morning cartoon shows so they could make a shit zillion dollars on sheet piece of shit toys. I want to say Robocop and Alien are probably the most egregious ones considering
Starting point is 00:13:52 the source material like like shit Robocop. You can you can sell toys but you cannot show the kid the source material Robocop at all top of the list. Alien probably second. Those alien toys were pretty good. Yeah. They were based off the Dark Horse comics. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Predator coming in up third which is why they all like hung out with each other and constantly overlapped but yeah and toxic crusaders toxic Avenger that shit as well just the weirdest fucking like marketing push but some but like at some point if someone sits down and just goes like here's a bright and colorful version of it and it's going to go and like the kids are just going to see the commercial and be like oh yeah that thing that's cool but don't think too hard about like the fact that you can't go watch where it came from at least if your parents are doing their jobs you know I suppose.
Starting point is 00:14:47 So I told the story before and it was the absolute most confusing thing where I wanted an alien toy because I saw some kind of alien thing so I get the alien toys and I got the Queen and I got Hicks and Hicks came with a sticker on it and the sticker was hard core and I put the sticker on his rocket launcher and I turn I asked my mom what the word hard core means and she like blanches and goes um and ended up explaining to me that that is when the camera is this is the real explanation my mother that is when if there's a kissing scene in a movie they don't cut away when the people take their clothes off and I went
Starting point is 00:15:41 why would he put that on his rocket launcher and she's like I don't know it's just us and I'm like what okay I don't get what I don't get it I'm six that poor lady failed to grasp the situation and you could have just gotten away with saying it's a really it means extreme you could have just yeah you could have just done that it's really extreme that's a she she was doing she was doing her best she was doing her best yeah that I mean we can all we can all laugh at the horrible situations we put our parents in by asking them the wrong question at the wrong time like my parents like coming
Starting point is 00:16:26 into the room while my brother and I are like in a screaming match explaining how a baby comes out of a lady and the argument is whether or not it bursts out of her chest through her belly button or if she throws it up on the floor and we are we are nine and five in this situation nine is and we're both nine nine is crazy old for that kind of brother is an idiot but also I guess they never had the talk with them I was the belly button one okay and my brother thought that that that yeah I thought it just popped out it was very like and then because I had the alien toy with the chest with the chest buster
Starting point is 00:17:16 and that's if you're not teaching kids what's going on they're going to contextually try to piece it together and my brother's like no you can't do that you would die you have to throw up the baby and my parents are just standing there going oh yeah it comes out the belly button I mean I don't remember a ton about my early misconceptions but like I think that like I'm thinking back to a time when I definitely understood the mechanics of sex and then the fact that it resulted in a baby but I remember when I was young enough that I didn't understand the concept of like fertilization and I kind
Starting point is 00:17:58 of thought that's kind of complicated exactly so what am I my based on the like the descriptions and the whatever that I had I had been taught what I'd seen I kind of remember thinking that's like okay there are like baby there's like like basically like sperm like just goes into like like not even like an egg but just the sperm is just going to go into the stomach and become a baby yeah I mean that's I mean that's which is reasonable or less as a kid yeah but I kind of was just like okay so you just like you just you just you put it inside a person and then suddenly it's just going to become a bait like it
Starting point is 00:18:36 anyway I mean yeah I remember I remember my mom like and dad laughing themselves to almost passing out because when I would my original I'm like three or four asked where babies come from well one man and lady love each other very much and they kiss a bunch and then the lady gets a baby and you know what as far as like explanation to a four-year-old in 1990 you know what that's fine right mm-hmm that that that works for the worldview until I was six and I made out with my next-door neighbor who was seven and I came home and started to freak the fuck out started to fucking lose my shit and my parents are like what's wrong
Starting point is 00:19:33 and I'm like oh no I'm gonna have a baby and they're like what I like well you told me that if you love somebody a lot and usually and they're like oh mm-hmm okay well and then that no and then that episode of Family Matters is on TV where Urkel kisses Laura and she gets pregnant every time they kiss and it reinforces that fear I don't remember that oh that was a thing there was a there was a there was a weird sequence that show went on for it got weird like there was a whole the whole bit where essentially Jaleel White no longer wanted to be plagued as Urkel where he just became Stefan to be Stefan exactly and then they split the two
Starting point is 00:20:21 apart and go into multiple seasons of like him trying to denertify his his reputation there's a point might have been it might have been either a dream sequence early on or something but like there's Laura and Urkel are married and then like they have a billion babies and then every time they kiss and she gets pregnant again that stuck in my brain I remember seeing that and went like what that's that's weird mm-hmm that's super strange I think it was I think it was one of those like yeah one of those dream sequences I bet somebody on that show thought that was really cool to think about but maybe but I but I doubt it
Starting point is 00:21:07 because that was pre-internet so people didn't even know what they were into yet but it definitely had you're right well he nobody nobody nobody knew what they was in a lot of people knew what they were into but a lot of people didn't know until they were shown that moment and went oh right remember the Minerva mink conversation right I do yeah so this is the thing it's like the internet didn't create all of this weird weird new stuff unlocked what it did was allow it was allow it was allow people to go hey what if I did this and put that message out far enough that somebody would actually respond and go hey I could do
Starting point is 00:21:49 that too mm-hmm that sounds like a good idea so you know for everyone that already knew they were down with the the the big the big the big stomach growing there was somebody who saw that scene and I want to say there was a whistle I want to say there was a as the stomach grew out like a voodoo slide maybe I'm hallucinating it but I feel like I'm my memory of that scene saw her just go whoa and then and then like that would have someone saw that and went like okay and they didn't know about that about themselves before that's what I'm trying to say um taking a step back though when you're talking about that conversation of like
Starting point is 00:22:34 oh yeah so what a man and a woman what a mom and a daddy love each other but I did a yadda yadda okay so that's layer one of of the conversation coming at me and then I go pause think okay so then after Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel oh Jesus what happened next yeah you know don't worry about it that was a fun one worry about it that was a fun one that was like that was straight cuz you get the you get the details but then you fill in the lore which is real which absolutely happened and you go I had a I had a really similar discussion with a teacher a Sunday school teacher about Noah's Ark which was how big is the Ark
Starting point is 00:23:42 and it's like two of every animal how many people were on the Ark like a hundred fifty cubits like eight and I'm like eight or nine and I'm like well that how but wouldn't you get all inbreedy pretty fast like like like people marrying their cousins and she's like no I'm like why how are you saying that every dog on the planet came from two dogs wouldn't that Ark be really big how that'd be really big right yeah and be like well don't don't worry about it it's just a story but you just told me it really happened you just you just told me so they asked me not to come back Sunday school because I was ruining it
Starting point is 00:24:25 for the other kids I mean the idea was that like the magic that allowed every animal to get on the Ark to begin with and keep them there and stop them from killing each other would also allow their pregnancies to not be horribly inbred I just remembered like the the fucking look of disgust on my Sunday school teacher's face when she's explaining all this all the Jesus powers and he could do this and that I'm like oh you mean like Santa mm-hmm and just like just this fucking yeah like like Santa like just this violent just like the thing about the size of the Ark to is that like that's one of the weird things and that like it
Starting point is 00:25:20 would have been much easier to just leave it described as a large boat and that would have been it but they specify the like like meters right specify 300 qubits by 50 qubits and like you you can kind of go and crunch the numbers based on the old amounts that's only 510 feet long and you have to kind of okay but it's like hold on though but wait wait is that a biblical qubit because there's now theologians theologians will discuss what a qubit meant back in that context versus the qubit as discussed in whatever like like Victorian era stuff you know there's a whole I'll be real I'm looking at a I'm looking at a photo of
Starting point is 00:26:14 a accurately recreated Noah's Ark if that thing was built in the fucking year negative 2000 yeah no that would be an astonishing absolutely mythic fucking achievement yeah right that'd be crazy like a like 450 feet holy shit like half the size of the Titanic like that's fucking wild but yeah then you just you know again the magic kept everything else from working and don't ask about the dinosaurs and it's fine well no it's not magic right it's it's got it's God you know of course but yeah and then the other and then of course the the whatever results you conclude from the moment Cain and Abel are hanging around and
Starting point is 00:27:09 suddenly it's not really Cain and Abel anymore so there's even less choice yeah you have to kind of just go okay well it eventually starts working out if you wait long enough you fast you wait you gotta go through like 10 generations but then it's fine you fast forward enough time and then it's okay you know and then then you can then you reset it again because then it's all gotta be Noah and kids you know because that all that bottlenecks the the the diversity and then you have to reset it at the arc and then it has to do the exact same thing again after many generations when people have already probably gotten a little
Starting point is 00:27:54 bit weird about it but then again not really family trees getting a little thorny yeah it's getting a little more than one story about the family tree turning back in on itself in in those same Old Testament books though so you know anyways good good stuff it's probably hey let me ask you a question did your parents ever tell you something that was like an absolute absurd lie as a goof don't say God and and like just to wait to see it hit you later in life well yes I was told that I was going to Grenada for two weeks well I'm talking about like a funny little story I'm talking about my example my example was
Starting point is 00:28:50 going to be when I was a little kid my dad told me the chocolate milk came from brown cows and then I was like way way too old when I found out that that was not the case I was like 10 when it finally came out of my mouth and somebody went what the fuck right totally you know fun fun fun little stories with little anecdotes cute yeah cute little anecdote absolutely you know the point at which you're too young to understand what's going on but you're just old enough to understand that you should probably stop asking oh you know oh I don't I don't know about that cute cute little cute little you know I just I just remembered I
Starting point is 00:29:48 just remembered the meanest thing I've ever said my life as a result of you saying that because it was in a situation I didn't fully understand that I accidentally like hit on the head in a way that was like astonishingly cruel and like I look back on it and like I realized that I was right but also I feel bad about it because my brother has always been a piece of shit like always always been a piece of shit like even as young as like three years old and you know what maybe that's because his parents got divorced and he had to deal with having a new stepmom when he was like four years old right but we were we were like we I
Starting point is 00:30:36 got like we were moving into a new house and my brother had moved from his moms to my to our place so that my brother sister would live with my mom and my dad and not with their mom anymore and they brought their old furniture right but because I was much younger and needed a new bed that we were getting me in like a single instead of like a fucking you know like whatever the fuck I was sleeping on before right and my brother asked hey why does Pat get a new bed and I don't and I said it's well it's because mom and dad love me more than you and my my dad was like don't sit oh my god that's so horrible how could you say
Starting point is 00:31:27 that we love all the kids equally and I'm like no they didn't so I was getting ready to say like so what you're saying is it was you who kicked Danny the dog then no no my brother was already stealing things by the time I said that okay okay he had already found a bike at a local park and already gotten into fights at elementary school uh Jesus well yeah that's that's pretty real that being said that moment may actually explain a slight amount of antagonism on the on the fraternal side you think that might be related I mean maybe hmm it's possible you think that kind of sticks with you that and that and whether or not
Starting point is 00:32:31 he found out that I snitched on him every single time he did anything especially the times he paid me not to snitch damn which is my favorite okay he would have like a girl over or he would be smoking weed out in the backyard when my parents weren't home and he would give me a 20 and say I'm giving you this 20 not to tell mom and dad and then they would come home and he would go out and I would go my brother gave me this 20 to tell you not to tell you that he was smoking weed in the backyard I'm gonna keep it though okay so you just both took turns kicking Danny you both jumped out of the stage coach and just started fucking
Starting point is 00:33:18 no actually he never he never knew because he kept doing it he was like 17 and he was still paying me not to snitch on him okay and he was like why are they how do they always find out well at that point it's like cuz I'm telling them you fucking idiot shame shame on on you at that point that's ridiculous but wow okay yeah he was stoned oh yeah they're okay that's why it was so damn well um yeah I just want to point out that I was like three and a half in this story so like temper temper your your temper your anger at the child I was also the child who got in trouble because my favorite story was that on two separate occasions in a
Starting point is 00:34:17 wallco if you remember those I don't you don't they were there is like a fucking knockoff Walmart I exclaimed mom why is that man so fat like real real loud and why what is wrong with that lady's face just cuz right now that the um that just putting putting parents on blasted having to you know embarrassingly hush you up and and and yeah do you remember do you remember Aaron and Tasso on Q92 in the morning oh fuck Jesus Christ yes yes I do okay on my school when I was when I was six I met Aaron at like some some fucking convention my mom brought me to and she's like look there's Aaron from the radio show and I went wow he he looks a
Starting point is 00:35:19 lot he doesn't look nearly as good as what I thought he would look like and he just just looked at me and this six-year-old little fucking ginger piece of shit and he's just like uh cuz Tasso looks like my dad like just just like a stocky guy the mustache yeah they they know they know exactly what what what what you're saying is that is that what happened to me when people see me at a convention and who is this small freak that looks like Pat is that is that God's God's revenge on me I mean there's that and then there's the like hey gonna can I get a picture with like the person you're standing next to and then can you take
Starting point is 00:36:11 it there's always those ones which are just like ooh ooh two piece in a biscuit I love it yeah anyways alright so weeks have occurred life was simple life was simple life was simple back in the day you sang a song that never ended and then like oh your parents got legitimately upset at you thinking how long was the longest time you did that I mean it was long enough that like the anger went into you're just gonna get yourself tired eventually and then getting upset at the fact that I wasn't getting tired yeah no for me it was like a couple hours yeah okay yeah and I'm like and I'm like I bet my mom wanted to drown me I bet that
Starting point is 00:37:01 was the most annoying fucking shit in the world I bet that was just intolerable it's kind of an evil thing to put out into the world if you have a children's she was kind of nefariously evil with that song oh man just Christ like I'm gonna put this song out and we're gonna just see society crumble as people all just drown their children in a pond of ditch water they started singing it not doing what it was gurgling yeah that was bad anyways alright so weeks what's going on alright so I'm gonna have what's called a pre-week because I want to talk about something but it hasn't happened yet but I have decided to hop on
Starting point is 00:37:59 the e-reader train I ordered a candle will be here tomorrow I want to get back into reading books on the regular mm-hmm there were two things that spearheaded this the first of which was you describing your journey back through berserk mm-hmm and I was like man I would really love to read berserk again I one don't want to read it on a computer screen which is how I read the first time because that was miserable and hurt mm-hmm and the second of which is I don't have room in my life anymore to you know bookshelf up like you know a massive amount of new volumes right when I was a kid and I read all the time I unironically
Starting point is 00:38:43 had like eight or nine book bookshelves and the only reason that like cut down to a point of feasibility is that there was a used bookstore in the town that I grew up in that would give me like good prices on like the all the fancy books that I would read so I would just swap them out right so I want I want to get back into to reading books I want and the second part was not just berserk it was I was sitting on the internet and I was scrolling through Twitter and I saw what appeared to be a hot clip from a new fantasy TV show in which a young man wearing what looks like a shitty medieval outfit fires an arrow at a guy who
Starting point is 00:39:29 looks like Lucifer from the TV show Lucifer in that he's wearing like a suit okay tailored suit but his face is like a tree branch and then the arrow goes into his face and he's like haha I pushes it into his face and it's CG and it looks like the shittiest fucking crap I have ever seen it looks like like space at three o'clock after Relic Hunter with Tia Carrera oh boy just oh boy trash the Relic Hunter Mortal Kombat power hour right yeah and then I scroll I click through and I go what is this from and I go oh my god that is from the Wheel of Time show oh man that physically hurts it really really hurts because I never
Starting point is 00:40:30 finished that series right I read it and I was halfway through a book and then Jordan fucking died and I'm like well I'm just gonna give up now fuck this and then like ten years later or whatever like Sanderson finished them but I'm like oh I don't have those fucking books anymore I can't write so it's like I never finished them and this is my thing and I can't be smug about it because I didn't actually read Wheel of Time I read about two-thirds of Wheel of Time so I can't sit here and look at this terrible TV show and be the adequate amount of smug that I need to be about how much better the books were
Starting point is 00:41:15 therefore therefore I need to go and read approximately 16,000 pages of a fantasy series that I started in 1991 yeah so I can talk shit about this thing on Twitter the ultimate reason to go finish it of course to get to Spite Mountain afterwards yeah yeah I mean yeah okay that was that was like 31 years ago that I started reading that and then I stopped about 10 or 15 but I gotta get back on the wagon and yeah you Wheel of Time you gotta restart because man like it's it's big it's stupid stupid stupid big and there's so many goddamn characters well um I mean yo everything I've seen about Kindles is super sick
Starting point is 00:42:06 like the the whole yeah I asked some people around and everybody basically recommended the e-paper thing they they do with the screen is like the number one like oh yeah this is not gonna hurt your eyes okay perfect yeah it's weird because I'm excited for that but at the same time I don't have it so what can I tell you yeah there's something in fun about the idea of like the newer best brightest screen technology actually being a problem for reading and the need to go back to like game and watch technology you know to basically be like oh yeah you need to be able to read and not fucking hurt your eyes you know like
Starting point is 00:42:46 that so one of the things that really surprised me is I'm asking for recommendations for e-readers and I decided to go with Kindle just because buying books off Amazon is by far the easiest and there are some folks going like oh that's so stupid you get a good any Android tablet you can like Kindles can you can even side load an app into it yada yada and it's like I'm getting it to read things reading things on a tablet fucking sucks it's terrible especially at night like it's just awful like it it it I'm old now sir I'm almost 40 I need to protect my my fucking 2020 vision by not blasting the
Starting point is 00:43:34 brightest possible screen of myself at midnight when I want to read my stories yeah I think I said before that like the the most brutal experience I've suggesting myself to was reading Jojo on a switch on a Wii U tablet sideways god like as I had I didn't have any other kind of tablet really and like for to sit in bed all I could do so I fucking scrolled on a goddamn Wii U tablet like it was brutal that is that is the worst reading experience I have heard in ages yeah no blue light no good no good and then I then I found out that you can read the one piece on the Kindle so maybe I'll start reading the
Starting point is 00:44:21 one piece I hear that manga on Kindle is not as great but I don't imagine it'll like be that much of a hindrance I just I guess the idea would be like maybe some like more detailed spreads might not convey so I I looked into it the reason why mangana Kindle is not as great is not about its presentation it's about its ability to get like the shonen jump app or it's about like acquisition oh okay it's not it's not about presentation okay okay there there are there is like one Android e-reader that is like specifically touted as the best one for manga but it's only like a minor improvement it's
Starting point is 00:45:08 just like Kindles can't do color right so your color spreads are going to be worthless but like 99% of manga is in black and white okay it's really frustrating though because when you're looking at when you're looking at like a video review on your LCD computer screen or your phone for a technology that is about having a different quality of screen like you're watching people handle it in person and you're like yeah I don't I can't fucking appreciate it looks like a fucking screen in the bit like it like how could right and I remember using I remember seeing a somebody's Kindle back at the grocery
Starting point is 00:45:45 store back before they had back lights and being like oh wow that looks pretty good but yeah so we're gonna work I'm gonna try and be a big adult and go into the book reading part of my life where I read things and no stuff that I didn't just you know scam off the internet I feel that would be a good like direction for personal growth I have returned to the reading as well and I am I am enjoying it more on that one and we switch over but yeah okay yeah like I need I need to like I remember going through like all of Carl Sagan's books and being like man I should have been a goddamn astrophysicist well it's too
Starting point is 00:46:35 late now so I'll just so just read about people a lot smarter than me finding out cool stuff about Venus and just be like I could have I would have found it I would have I would have discovered global warming had I been born in 1952 and thought that you know space astronomy was cool and video games didn't exist so I couldn't so I could focus my attentions on something that mattered there you go oh well oh well hey let me ask you a question really maybe maybe this doesn't happen to you but do you ever you ever have the situation where you fixate on something new that you want to do some new hobby some new item some new whatever
Starting point is 00:47:25 right and it will be four days from now that you will be able to go on the trip or go to the restaurant or read the book or whatever and then every time you sit down to do something else you're like yeah I fucking hate this I want to do the thing that's in four days because I'm in that place right now so like I did some streams I was late a bunch I got stuck all over track oh man it's been such a month it's not such a week but like every time I sat down like oh I'm gonna play Sunbreak right which came out this week I'm like yeah I don't want to fucking play Sunbreak I want to start reading fucking Wheel of Time again yeah there you go I went out
Starting point is 00:48:11 to a field because they're supposed to be an area that was really great for kiting and we went on a day where it was just unfortunately not windy enough and it was kind of in this industrial park area that leads to like a nature park area and it was anyway we got up on a hill and it was just wasn't windy enough to get anything going it's just not going to happen huge huge disappointment so I at least I you know got the steps in for the day but came back home and I've just been like motherfucker I've been denied a kiting session and all I want to do is get back out at the next good weather and do a kite yeah you're kind of stuck in
Starting point is 00:48:53 this same place that like surfers get into you just gotta wait for dude let's let's go down for the weekend and then you get there and you're like great the fucking surface shit on the day that I assigned to it yeah and when you get fucking kite blocked there's nothing you can do you're gonna yell at the sky like you just have to go home sad with your kite sit there and hope that tomorrow is a windier day you know I'm kind of I don't mean to steer it back I'm kind of fascinated what my reading speed is gonna be because I used to just tear through everything I could get my hands on and I look back and I can't tell did
Starting point is 00:49:42 I read really quickly or was I just such a pathetic loser that I didn't have anything else to do with my time and I think it might have been both I remember when I was drawn in and I got like I used because yeah my aunt used to provide us with the books she's a librarian and she gave us reading material for our entire lives and I would just read for fun and then when I was bored or whatever that I would stop but it wasn't until I got into the D&D books the Dragonlands series specifically that I was like I don't want to stop and I would like go eat dinner quickly to run back to the room and keep reading so to me it
Starting point is 00:50:28 was like no I'm trying to to marathon these books it is absolutely crazy to me that from like that we both got way way into the Dragonlands series of books like I don't and and like I just I'm just on a whim I just typed in Dragonlands into fucking Amazon and what do I see but Dragons of deceit Dragonlands Destiny's volume one this title will be released on August 2nd 2022 hell yeah and I'm like really hell yeah they're going like yeah still yeah holy shit because there's people like it's a it's a tasselhoff fucking story yeah are you serious tasselhoff perfect he still survives and he keeps it going
Starting point is 00:51:24 even past the the the fallen moon they like because it's because people like you and me that perhaps didn't get there's a bunch of people like you and I that then ended up getting jobs where they had to stop being children and so they stopped caring about all that yeah but they still kind of have the memory of the thing that they enjoyed and then that might still be an appeal if you want to go back and be like oh shit I remember tasselhoff I remember Karaman and race Lynn you know like you want to they they are in that place so I think like basically like it's almost like when I think of like with my brother
Starting point is 00:52:08 where it's just like we all we were into the same media up to a certain point and then he has a stop where new media is no longer entering because media consumption is no longer the main thing that he's doing with his life therefore you're just gonna have a fond memory for those things and anything around them you know it's it's just like there was there was a period of oh man I really like this dragon lance book so I read it and I would go to that used bookstore and I would go I wonder if they have any others and the answer was they have more than I could ever conceivably fucking read in yeah my entire childhood yeah
Starting point is 00:52:52 the wall-to-wall shelf of D&D books I remember and with the marble spine cover yeah and it was kind of this place that a lot of people got into comic books when they got into comic books is like well what kind of comic do I want to read because mm-hmm it's just functionally infinite so my do I want to read one about dwarves here's 48 dragon lance books that feature dwarves as primary protagonists mm-hmm do I want the historical okay here's legend of humor then the cast the minotaur series oh those are old those were I read those back when I was still I know but like just even then like but dude like and now
Starting point is 00:53:32 people like the thing you're describing take anything that you currently still do that you did a long time ago and it's just people never stopped there's people that are that stayed in you happen to stop and then you're looking back on it and going holy shit but it's like yeah in the same way that you know I don't know 14's been going for a while or you know any other any other series that you've been like following adequately for the last 20 years yeah there's there's parallels dragons of autumn twilight came out in 2000 god that was years and years after summer flame Jesus fuck yeah and if I'm not mistaken that's from the like
Starting point is 00:54:26 yeah because hold on a second I remember I remember being in a place where I was reading no auto twilight is eighty eighty four it really no you're that 2000 is that a re talking about a reprint like yeah no auto twilight is absolutely older than that that doesn't make any sense because I was in high school oh okay I'm looking at test of twins and it's saying 2001 and I'm like bullshit that's 2001 test time and tail of the twins I read that in fucking 92 yeah no you're you're you're you're looking at reprints probably oh to somebody who's asking in the chat good question I got the Kindle paper white signature edition because
Starting point is 00:55:13 the different there's the paper white and then there's the signature and the difference between the two is one's eight gigs and one's thirty two gigs and I'm like what kind of fucking books are you reading that you would fucking need thirty two gigs of storage and then I look up and a single volume of Berserk is nine hundred and fifty megabytes and I'm like oh that's what kind of fucking books in order like okay that answered my own question yeah but no around the like the stuff that in my brain is considered like the new trilogies was like yeah the war of soul stuff which was actually printed in 2000 and that's now
Starting point is 00:55:56 twenty two fucking years old so like I think though when it comes to Dragonland specifically there's still like there's still only a handful of like trilogies that are like mainline things and then all the rest is supplemental material you know so kind of like old trilogy prequel trilogy new trilogy it's kind of there's like yeah there's a tight collection of what what is that maybe nine ten mainline books actually hold on more that's more like twelve and then all the rest is supplemental it's like do I start reading Stephen King novels so I can have more to chat with my mom about because she's
Starting point is 00:56:41 read every Stephen King novel damn and I've read zero see but if you go down that road then you're gonna have to read about how they all connect and you're gonna have to you know get drawn into the the overall world then I get to be pissed off by decades of the shittiest adaptations possible just get into that dark tower shit yeah and then you can watch the ones that he approved of which are even worse where sauce tank redemption is pretty good apparently like what I remember being told that like a lot of the Stephen King adaptations like the ones that people like tend to be the ones where they just stopped
Starting point is 00:57:24 listening to him and the ones that he approved of that were like made straight for TV are the bad ones yeah so like the law like the probably the probably the wildest is that Stephen King does not like the shining mm-hmm he thinks it's a bad movie and it's like shut up Stephen shut shut your fucking mouth you could also like I don't know like are you really ready to get like super into the world of creepy Maine yeah I'm in Pacific Northwest right now so like there's there's some overlap on the there's weird shit out here vibes I hear I hear bad things about Maine but I hear them from Stephen Stephen King
Starting point is 00:58:23 books it's it's it's I do I do like the idea that like the in the in the classical New England area of the United States not the state of New England but like 13 colonies New England is that they got there and it's the New World and there's a bunch of weird weird shit that was already here mm-hmm that like you know the Catholics out east out in Europe they kind of ground all that shit in the dirt after a couple thousand years but all this new shit out here in America oh it's all sorts of zany fucking monsters is it also this yeah New England is wait New England is a state yes don't you motherfucker gas lights
Starting point is 00:59:10 me you pieces of shit I'll fight every single one of wait it's not a state no is New England a state New England is a region comprising a state for sure main mass NH Rhode Island how could America gas light me this way I am you America I am not going to pretend that I knew that I did not know that I'm I'm I'm I'm absolutely going to be honest here and say that when I heard New England as a regular thing referred to I did not know it as a region consisting of six states either so I thought it was a I thought it was a state well there you go feel feel highly gas lit well at least I'll always have my Bernstein bears
Starting point is 01:00:11 um so then hold on I won't wait wait wait hold on I'm curious because does that mean yeah you know what this is revenge I retweeted a stupid meme that was a girl wearing a shirt that said gas lighting is not real you're just crazy no but that's pretty good it's the universe is revenge on me okay here's the reason why I also thought that because the New England Patriots is the name of the team and every other what's fucking state every other team has a state before the name therefore why would that have a region before the name that's what's confusing about it where the fuck are the New England Patriots from New
Starting point is 01:01:04 England Patriots is how I've always known that team Massachusetts but they don't say the Massachusetts Patriots right so that's right that's the weird thing or like a city either yeah you say the Toronto Raptors are the much Philadelphia Eagles fair enough right that's true right that's true Oakland Raiders yeah okay no it's not always a state yeah fine no even even then like fair enough I don't get it city America explain a lot of them are cities a lot of them are cities that's that okay there we go stupid alright a lot of them are cities New England is not a city that gets or is it or is it
Starting point is 01:01:55 right it's not so then don't oh boy oh I'm troubled I'm troubled yeah yeah yeah okay that that all right well fine fine you know I thought there was a consistency to all the NFL teams locations but it seems that it can be multiple things which is I never thought about that until this very moment yeah pretty much I've never really thought about it much at all oh well well Booker part step start next week so be excited for that I think the most embarrassing thing that I could that could possibly happen is I get it and get a bunch of books on it and then don't read anything and just expose
Starting point is 01:02:50 myself as being a complete no attention span having fucking piece of millennial garbage so I'm definitely gonna read something when you do like don't have like sit down away from your phones and shit and like don't have a like something playing on your headphones like try to oh no try to lock in on it that's that's definitely read book yeah yeah repair the the attention damage that's been done by our everything our modern things cool um alright so so in addition to that I did play a couple games nothing too crazy I played the new isomium files but only for a few hours didn't get that far things to know it
Starting point is 01:03:42 can this is gonna sound really strange it controls a lot better like a sequel should yeah but it's a fucking visual novel so it's a weird it's a weird type of thing to describe the cursor is a lot smoother text comes up a lot faster when you click on incidental items in the background the auto play for for dialogue has a slightly shorter gap in between sentences so conversations flow more naturally I just just little tiny things I totally get it the Danganronpa games which are also basically visual novels mixed with court games are like you feel the improvements between how you read dialogue in all of them as you
Starting point is 01:04:29 that they are it improves as it goes on it gets easier to read and mash through text I totally understand yeah the other thing is that I feel like the game is fucking with me in that in the first isomium files there is some kind of gigantic mysterious event that took place six years ago that no one will talk about and you constantly and I mean constantly run into people describing hey you know I gave up ownership of this warehouse six years ago hey you know that explosion at the chemical factory that was six years ago and so on and so forth to the point where it's very obvious that all these disparate
Starting point is 01:05:18 elements are actually connected in some way so you're you're you're you're diving into the mystery and every time you talk to somebody and they give a detail and you all it's six it's six years ago wow the premise of on the files to is a series of serial murders in which half a body is discovered and that at a later date these the other half of the body is discovered and you are playing through two time periods that are six years apart so you are doubling down even more strongly every single detail of the case in the future portion of the game is relating to the case from six years ago and it's just like what
Starting point is 01:06:08 why why does it always have to be this singular fucking distance in time from the current thing it's so bizarre if you think it's funny Uchikoshi is that it I mean anything like that I've I feel like I've been trained to just go this is silly but I can suspend it with a question mark until the last ten minutes of the game you know well it's just the other interesting thing is that because of the time difference the original part of the case starts immediately after the first game so you're seeing all the characters that you already know as they are and then the second part of the case takes place six years later so
Starting point is 01:06:54 you're seeing all the same characters but most of them are adults at this point or at least older okay so that's a fun little thing it has one of the best mystery game features I've ever seen in my life it starts you off in a quiz show inside a dream sequence which is totally unreal and fourth wall breaking but what's important is that the game show announcer teaches you how to use the controls and then asks you hey are you familiar with the Cyclops killer serial killings that took place etc and that's the serial killings that the first game is about and if you say yes they go are you sure and you go yeah and they go in
Starting point is 01:07:47 the final scene someone got shot in the stomach or the leg who was it and you have to type their name in and you get it right or not and then they ask you who was the culprit of the Cyclops serial killings and you have to type in their name and if you fail it the game says oh you clearly don't know about those don't worry characters involved in that case won't talk about it huh but if you do get it right characters will now make reference to the first game of the first game and massively detailed spoiler guard wow so that you can play the second game in the series while being totally free from spoiler damage of the first
Starting point is 01:08:40 game okay but wait what if you say I like MGS 2 and then I like I like MGS 1 well here's so probably so there's a there's a real answer to that because I got the first question wrong because the first question is who somebody gets shot in an arm or a leg and I was like oh it was this person and typed in their name and go no that person got shot in the stomach nice try though and I'm like really you have fucking built-in answers for all the wrong answers that's pretty good that's pretty good that's right people were telling me that there were actually separate responses based on whether or not you use characters first
Starting point is 01:09:30 or last names yeah okay like in a game that's all about like a visual novel a lot of that makes sense it'd be cool if you know if someone was like oh do you need to know the first one going into the second game in any other genre and you could be like it you can get you can choose whether or not it matters you know yeah and so in the in the case of this you are explicitly told both from a character talking to your face and a news ticker of random information goes don't worry we really promise we really really promise the first game has apps the first case has absolutely nothing to do with the second case now don't worry
Starting point is 01:10:17 about it now the only thing that might be like weird about that is if you're someone who was hoping that the first game would be more relevant you're being told explicitly that it's so not relevant that it can be removed and not change anything yeah which good cuz like I don't want I don't like that that idea better closed off yeah okay all right good it was it fine that all the possible drama out of that series of events was fully extracted okay but yeah so that games it's really cool I really want to get more into it and the other thing the only other thing I did this week was I played Sunbreak Sunbreak came out
Starting point is 01:11:08 Monster Hunter Sunbreak and it's more a it's more Monster Hunter do you do you like Monster Hunter do you want to fight more monsters here's more monsters to fight in Monster Hunter and also here's a new move or two for your weapon it it it's it is what it is it's good I like it it's it's I don't I don't explain this it's delivering upon expectations it's like it's like you know you go to the grocery store and there's Swiss cheese there you go well why is this really good Swiss cheese and the the deli guy this is fucking it's Swiss you know what it is yeah yeah it's Swiss cheese do you like that or not okay all right that's that's
Starting point is 01:12:03 fair and that's it that's I I mean there aren't many genres in my life that I look at that serve just that role of like it's just it's the ingredients you know when you love there's no funny business you're going to enjoy it and that'll be that I'm here to eat some food there's do you want to do you want to hit a monster and then craft an item to eat when the monster hit you and then make the monster parts and do you want to do that well okay we added Gore McGulloch Gore McGulloch cool you like him right yeah I do well good because he's he's there he's there now like it's so it's so blunt and it's I mean I don't I
Starting point is 01:12:54 feel like that is the most leeway Capcom gets on any of their franchises yeah in terms of expectation you know like like there's there's new features right they like there's AI hunters there's like a new stage there's a bunch of new monsters some of the new moves really changed the way the weapons work but it you know what it is it's the expansion game to a monster hunter game oh is Super Street Fighter 4 good well did you like Street Fighter 4 yeah then why are you even talking to me about this what could I possibly tell you that you can't just read off the back of the box says here there's there's more Swiss
Starting point is 01:13:41 cheese it's yeah there's more cheese it's pre-sliced it's good oh pre oh that's that's a bit too fancy for me okay well we got it on slice to oh okay because I want to hey well it's gonna be a strange question have you ever had like a big piece of cheese that you could hold in your hand and just said you know what no one's looking at me right now fuck it and just bit into it like an apple I sliced slice it I slice the big slice I am when I'm cutting I'll go no one's looking and I'll cut a big slice and then eat it like a cheese like bite but because I did that once okay I did that once I had done groceries and then there
Starting point is 01:14:29 was there was Brie and I had a Brie and I and I and no one was around and I said you know what what would it be like if I just treated this like a like a regular food instead of a slicey food yeah and the answer is it's not worth how much faster you go through it like if you eat a Brie like an apple yeah those are some nice big bites but then your Brie is gone and it took you like two minutes my equation is much simpler it's really just if someone comes over and I have to serve them cheese I don't want to serve them from the part that I bit into so I'm going to know you would cut you know you have to finish it just going to not be
Starting point is 01:15:14 an animal and I'm going to slice the parts I want to eat well he did you ever eat half an apple no well yeah sure but I mean if you're talking about the whole brick and biting into the brick you're not going to eat the whole brick you're going to put it back with some bites in it and then you can't serve that part yeah so you know I used to make fun of my mom for just cutting off like a rectangle of like a piece of cheddar at dinner she'd be like oh I just want a little piece of cheese and then I'm like walking around the house grabbing like a dry spaghetti or like a tiny piece of cheese myself I'm like oh I don't know
Starting point is 01:15:51 when this happened I don't know when this happened everything I make fun of my parents for ever I now do every single one the dry spaghetti stuff is weird but I will admit that like a big thing that my friends and I all did back in the day was the ramen packets crunching them up and eating those raw and I remember being warned that like they're going to cook in your stomach and then you'll get sick and it's like that's not true that doesn't happen that's not a real thing but powder in the in the in the ramen bag crunch it up and shake and then just eat them like chips was kind of a thing that we did as kids when you fucking
Starting point is 01:16:31 that's what you that's what you're that's what you could afford it's the cheapest bag of chips you can buy yeah I feel that's actually like a lot weirder it was it was it was pretty it was pretty popular where where I was and and you know once I followed fashion and I was like yeah that's not too bad that being said I did know a lot of kids that did that yeah a lot of people here did that seems like a lot of people in America perhaps have no idea what we're talking about so maybe this is just a Canadian thing or maybe this is of an East Coast thing but like a lot of kids here used to crunch up ramen with the
Starting point is 01:17:11 sauce and just eat it like that out of the bag I think the I think the part where that gets really strange is that I remember being in high kids were doing elementary school and then in high school teachers would see them or cafeteria people see them and be like do you want some water and the answer would be no no I like it like this okay like and yeah like it's so so for our friends who are going this is awful this is grow woolly what is wrong how gross what it's like it's a it's a poor thing then it's people who are trying to afford food eat it this way and perhaps if you didn't have that happen you might have
Starting point is 01:17:54 you might have been well a little doing oh doing okay you might have been doing a little better like the reason I eat dry pasta isn't for the taste because it doesn't really taste like anything it's for the crunch if I could eat crunchy food every day I would crunchy food is the best food all right one last thing yeah the new Borderlands game tiny Tina came to steam and some friends of mine picked it up so I picked it up as well and it's probably the first good Borderlands game in like many years because I know like three or four people including myself that like how Borderlands plays and
Starting point is 01:18:40 enjoys those games and went to go play Borderlands 3 and the writing and acting in it is so repulsive that most of them like quit or refunded it as fast as they could because it is Borderlands 3's right it is one of the only games I can think of and which is like actively ruined by every single line of its own dialogue mm-hmm it is to the point that when Borderlands 3 goes on sale a Google Docs starts to go around about how to delete all the voice files Jesus Christ so that the game glitches out and just plays like just skipped through entire sequences that bad that wow okay I heard you guys mentioning it and and
Starting point is 01:19:35 tiny Tina's Dungeons & Dragons whatever mm-hmm it takes place in a fake ass D&D campaign and it's still it's still a little cringe but removing it like putting itself in this different context that's a little silly mm-hmm definitely helps take a lot of the sting out of it I heard good things about and having having just an A plus celebrity voice cast really helps so you're playing with Ashley Birch who's playing Tina you're playing with a robot voiced by Wanda Sykes and you're playing with some douchebag voiced by Andy Sandberg and the dragon king is voiced by Will Arnett so like that like it makes a big
Starting point is 01:20:25 difference it makes a big fucking difference to have these these actually funny actors doing this toned down version of the Borderlands style and also it helps that it's a fantasy idea it's an interesting thing to be getting these gun like a shotgun that just has floating runes all over it and stuff like that yeah and but that is absolutely the same thing as Monster Hunter it's like do you know what Borderlands is yeah this one takes place in a Dungeons and Dragons yeah no I know some people that were working on it that were basically just like yo this is this is pretty cool and I'm like I'm I don't know much about
Starting point is 01:21:06 the franchise but that's good that's good I'm glad that it's better the franchise has struggled with awful writing just awful writing also I'm surprised people in the chatter are asking who Ashley Birch is she's an accomplished voice actor hey ash what you're playing was some time ago but since then I suppose it's mainly been like yeah like a lot of voice gigs all over the place really um what I wonder if Anthony Birch wrote this game I hope not cool hmm yeah it's been pretty much it if you guys want to check out stuff this week go down to twitch.tv slash Pat stairs at pretty normal week and
Starting point is 01:22:00 finish off BioShock and finish off Dragon's Dogma etc and I'm also going to play Neon White near the end of the week you give that a shot hearing good things about that too I've been hearing really really fantastic things about it which is a lot it was gonna get me to try it even though I don't think I'm gonna like it okay um which is kind of a weird place to be it seems like the kind of game that like you have to buy into what it's what it's doing completely or or it's not for you you know but yeah I hear people going like this shit is fucking rad so I'm curious cool so for me a couple things going down you talking
Starting point is 01:22:49 about reading yeah so I was very delighted to hear about the reveal of Trigun Stampede which is going to be coming next year and in that I remembered I was like you know the thing that I want to exist the thing I've been taught I've been wanting for years but I know is kind of an impossible project is that like basically Trigun Brotherhood Trigun Maximum Brotherhood is just not gonna happen right it is a pipe like done by Madhouse that is just perfectly like it just it's the stars aligning would just never really happen for this and I kind of made my peace with that idea so I was happy that they're like oh we're gonna
Starting point is 01:23:43 we're gonna try doing something again it felt as if after what is it Battlefront Block Brigade I forget what it was but the last night night how series that came out it didn't really blow up that much it was probably like the least like most popular of like the night how series that have come out and over the course of the different years but like taking a look at it I was like okay they're doing a new Trigun and it's gonna be it's gonna be CG and like that trailer I'm like yeah that looks that looks fine that I'm okay with that I hear you know I didn't see Beastars but people said good things about Beastars
Starting point is 01:24:23 Beastars is great so I you know the team involved on that like I assume is gonna do a competent job here the there's definitely that like thing going on with the way Vash looks that is a I'm it's it's this entire category of like Luke or Ed discussion of like like zoomer look on characters is either gonna be kryptonite or inoffensive to you and for for that type of thing to be what Vash is doing for those who it's kryptonite I'm seeing a lot of people that are like I hate to look I don't mind it at all it doesn't bug me I'm I'm just you know I'm happy for more Trigun and like I think the animation
Starting point is 01:25:10 doesn't look like the bad kind of CG it seems as if it's you know do doing decently we're not in that berserk territory but definitely not but and then the main thing of course to while I'm just touching on it is that content wise would always be a bit more of my where I'd be concerned and everything shown in the trailer for Trigun Stampede seems to just be in like like flashbacks that are a part of the regular canon so it seems as if that's like event wise it seems like it's gonna still just be doing what we know but it'll probably just adapt maximum in its own way or it'll you know choose to go into different parts of
Starting point is 01:25:54 the the original story people are throwing the word prequel around but I looked for a source on the word prequel and I cannot find one there was a panel that came out that did not say the word prequel so I think that's just a speculation based on seeing a bunch of rem flashbacks in the trailer but I don't think that's necessarily accurate yeah so I mean people saying that he looks yesified I think they're dead on whether or not that bothers you like I think it's alright yeah I don't it means that I wasn't super attached to his old design yeah it is fascinating to see the the reaction to bash be split between I
Starting point is 01:26:43 hate this I want the old design I'm indifferent and I want to impregnate his bussy sure like that that seems to be the three paths yeah if they're there if they're showing a bounty that's that's less so he's not the 60 billion double-dollar man then there's a whole arc in between you know the the the drop and the actual like backstory of him aging that there's that they can go into the anime kind of touches on it a little bit maximum fleshes things out more but they definitely yeah I looking at it it's it wouldn't be surprising if they decided to like not it's not going to be maximum but it's going to be a
Starting point is 01:27:31 new interpretation of that material perhaps you know and night I was thinking it so I trust what he thinks is going to be cool with that though I definitely thought back to the manga and I was like man so much of it is a kind of weird blur in my head and a lot of my guy read back then it was a blur in my head and but like what what what what's it with this that has it like super like there's a lot of details I can't remember like what was going on and oh I remember like the show I watched early that was super formative for me too like I'm watching back and I'm like oh my god so many things aesthetically
Starting point is 01:28:13 about this are like what I grew to love in like my manga like preferences and character style designs and yes the way I was reading it back in the day it was after the after I watched the show was the manga was not done yet I was getting the actual raw Japanese books flipping through them and then reading either wiki summaries that were not complete at the time or looking at threads where they were doing amateur translations of it because there were no cancellations yet Jesus fuck I was I was really in there trying to figure out what was going on because the series just like it was the only way right I was
Starting point is 01:28:59 you kids nowadays you don't know what it was like you want to read this thing from a different country your chat your odds of actually knowing what's happening in it are basically zero right so it eventually got translated and released and everything and I grabbed those and that was nice but back when there was no other option and there were no scans of it either your only thing was get a raw copy and look for a companion thread on forums on the Internet to help you and you know that's it you had no choice it was that or you know you want to watch coolers revenge you can watch it in Japanese or Spanish that's
Starting point is 01:29:44 your options take your fucking pick you know so anyway and then eventually like yeah going through going back through it with the with the copies here I'm just going yeah I'm going I'm I started again read through all of original Trigun and then the first couple books of Maximum and it yeah it is fucking it's one of those it's one of those those series that I'm really glad where you go back to the the work and it's like the creator of this it was not a case where like the adaptations picked an art style and the original art style was like just too rough to really use or appreciate I feel like even though like for example
Starting point is 01:30:35 attack on Titan I haven't seen a ton of the the manga but I've seen that like the art style gets not good at points yeah and that they had to kind of like standardize a high quality thing that is not what the originals look like you know I've seen enough of the attack on Titan manga to tell you that like it the artist like generally pretty mediocre if not outright bad Trigun Maximum and Trigun look fucking excellent but they're also very different from what the show ended up being and then weirdly because of what the show ended up being that character design style became what Naito's characters were known to look
Starting point is 01:31:17 like so Gun Grave has the same style and then BBB same style as well and and you know like it was but you go back to them like yeah just it's great it's it's one of these things that I as as I'm reading it I'm also thinking you know this is also probably impossible to adapt faithfully oh yeah because it gets insane it gets so much more insane than the show does like everything happening that like everything happening in the show is like the first bit of the story and then it gets into like wild fucking like intergalactic mad like it's crazy and you can't really not without an insane not without a ridiculous budget or
Starting point is 01:32:14 just a dream team of like what David production is to Jojo where they're like we are diehard fans that are just gonna do everything as faithful as possible we're gonna do it to what your memory is of these moments because we just love it that much that dream fucking result is just like not really plausible here so whatever try gun we get I think is gonna always be adapted in some way shape or form or it'll be like Badlands rumble where it's just like a wacky adventure Vash goes on and don't worry about it you know but like the the the I think the ridiculous pipe dream is more extreme in this series case than it is for a lot
Starting point is 01:32:59 of other things where I'd be like oh the perfect adaptation would be amazing you know but yeah anyway I'm gonna see if I can get back around to that although weirdly I I'm missing some of my copies of the later books and looking online there's some stupid prices because some of them went out of print so there's a whole fucking annoying thing going on with that we're like yeah suddenly a $30 that's one of the other reasons that I decided to get a Kindle because like I was you know I'm looking at Berserk right and it's like hey can I get these volumes no just just no is the answer you want to pay 10 times the price for this place
Starting point is 01:33:40 of this book you know like anyway yeah so we'll see and I really I know that they're going oh new cast and new world for Stampede so that seems to imply that like Johnny Young Bosch is out and that sucks but like I hope when the English comes around they might consider because I know that if they're not going that way in Japanese they're probably not gonna go that way in English but it'd be really nice because I mean you ever know it was also I didn't know this but like Johnny Young Bosch talked about it and did say that like that was his first major role in anything really yeah and I was like holy shit I didn't know that even before
Starting point is 01:34:17 Power Rangers he might have been on Power Rangers but what did he say I think that was his first major voice acting role I don't know if that considers if he's including acting on Power Rangers as a what he's saying but he kind of implied that it was like a big deal for him as yeah his first voice acting yeah okay there we go so I hope that like they don't feel that like oh yeah we got a when it comes to English we got a flush it all out and go new again because yeah man like he also Johnny Young Bosch is also one of those voice actors that still sounds the same as well and yeah pretty much and can completely pull
Starting point is 01:35:00 that off and made that dub like better than most dubs were at the time so people are pointing out that for Full Metal Optimus Brotherhood the Japanese cast changed but they used all the same actors awesome okay so it's possible excellent I really hope so yeah um it's you know for anyone who watched Dragon in English like it yeah it's a defining thing how good the voice acting is and how good of a job he does and it's it's part of what we love about it you know in nostalgically I suppose um so yeah Try Gun Stampede okay also how long is Try Gun like all of it the show or the manga the manga the manga is two thick
Starting point is 01:35:48 volumes of Try Gun and then maximum is one to fourteen so okay so 16 volumes total technically 17 if you want to count the first two as the three talcumons I mean we talked about and I'm sure I am I am literally over a decade late to this we talk about Berserk and Berserk's pretty long is it like what 42 volumes now I want to say yeah maybe 41 yeah 40 or so yeah so I just on a decide on a whim just typed in the word one piece and the first result was volume 97 and I'm I'm I am dumbstruck dumbstruck with how much goddamn one piece there is like Dragon Ball out dates it by decades and still doesn't even have any anywhere near
Starting point is 01:36:47 not even close Try Gun people say it's good yeah silly Try Gun is notably more tame than that and I think like it was interesting because yeah the way it was made was the anime was planned and ended before the manga did and kind of like in some ways influenced some of his decisions with the story to just go a different way and with it and then it ended up taking its time and when it got there it got there you know but it's not one of these forever stories that you'd have to commit to so it also is nice though to look at Berserk and be like okay if you're putting the volumes three and one it comes down to like 12 13 books you
Starting point is 01:37:41 know yeah it is a little even though it's it's like it's a lot less intimidating than like your entire shelf just stretching into the horizon so it's it's just like I asked so I'm getting freaked out by the algorithm because I feel like it just every time I talk about something with anybody not even type it just talk all of a sudden my recommended fucking bullshit on my phone starts to show up and I saw an article that seemed to like mock me and it was now's the best time to start reading one piece because Otis taking a break right now for a month or so and he's gonna start the final story arc
Starting point is 01:38:33 and I'm like I think the best time to start reading one piece was like 25 fucking years ago you get like you know what it is though and the article surmises that you can catch up before the like what the moments in that I recall for one piece that have been the major like should I start reading one piece moments that people everyone has those questions in their life that they ask themselves multiple times at least four times a decade we've if you haven't started it and you're listening to this you've asked yourself should I start you know and those moments are always when there is a something that
Starting point is 01:39:17 goes down and people are like yo one piece chapter one thousand discussion spoilers holy shit right and it's like okay some stuff's popping off cool there's something happening that's getting people talking about it that's a big deal to the story and this is another point to be like should I start you know like that's that's what it always comes down to is like a major spoiler event is pop it hard yeah so there was like the tune for shit and then there was that famous character that died that I'm not even a mention I don't know anything you know the one that died in one piece I know nothing about
Starting point is 01:39:54 nothing um but yeah so working my way through that and just very very happy to see that like the that that the try try gun is a thing they're gonna try out again and it's not gonna be tried out in a like cowboy bebop live action kind of context and it's not gonna be tried out in a berserk 2016 kind of context but like it can still be bad but so far I I'm so far I'm on board with what I see I would not call berserk 2016 being tried out that was given to like a legitimate amateur director and is is that is a low-effort piece of shit that is like god damn it like the bit with guts just south parking off the screen god damn it
Starting point is 01:40:55 holy shit yeah yeah yeah um I'm also happy to that like rereading try gun as well and seeing how like the the things that were aesthetically cool and and and edge back that are still just sincere and pure and what they're going for but there's still these great moments of like the story is all about about you know Vash the stampede the pacifist that is being challenged on his pacifist views because they're practically insane in in the setting that he's in there they're they're farcical they're stupid exactly exactly and like the world is screaming at him constantly about how stupid he's being about what he's doing and characters
Starting point is 01:41:48 are just pushing that further and further and further and upon rereading I'm like I'm glad that still is conveyed I'm glad that still comes through that it's like you complete fucking idiot like really you know and it like like like okay well what what about when the situation is not so kind of dry what about when it's like you're what about when you are proven proven almost objectively wrong you know what then and yeah like you know I mean depending on how early on in the story you are like the like his response might just be I don't know I'm gonna break down and cry because I haven't figured that part out
Starting point is 01:42:29 yet you know I'm I'm I'm trying to adhere to a philosophy that someone special to me imparted and I don't but I don't really have practical it's impractical and I kind of don't know what I'm supposed to do when this really really really doesn't work you know so like yeah that still comes through pretty pretty strongly and I'm happy that's the case so that's try gun I also had the special event we did a twitch rivals me versus max capcom fighting collection special and for those of you who have not yet had a chance to check it out the yeah there's gonna be a highlight video I think is coming soon that I'm gonna
Starting point is 01:43:23 post but it was a big old five-hour thing so I understand if you didn't get a chance to go through it but it was really hype it was really fun I want to I just want to tell you woolly that Paige and I are legitimately impressed at your class and professionalism in the face of advertising hardship okay all right so you know sometimes you need a big sip of water sometimes you do what you got to do I do I do think like some of what you're seeing is zooming in on what is my resting bitch face right a little bit you're zooming in on clear emotional journey that is taking place yes but it is nothing is surprising to me it is
Starting point is 01:44:21 simply it is taking place the way it was described it would and yeah you know you know shout outs to you know James James who was there and handled and did that did that part of the thing and then me and max just had fun talking about the games you know so tell me how is capcom fighting collection capcom fighting collection is a wild like it is it is a wild unexpected product in that it really is like half-dark stalkers and then we're just gonna bring in cyberbots and we're gonna bring in red earth and all these things that it seems like a bunch of weirdo picks it's all the weirdo picks in one because they know like hey
Starting point is 01:45:10 if you're into the weirdo picks you you're gonna want to come take to take a look at this and it's the weirdo picks with rollback so that's great and something unexpected that I thought was really fun was when you go to play online you well so first of all you have all you got yeah the all those games we mentioned and then the dark stalkers games which breaks up into like five games and it gets really confusing because like there's only one that's really appreciated and the other just to like Japan only releases that were released simultaneously so vampire hunter to and vampire savior to were released at the
Starting point is 01:45:51 same time in Japan for God knows what reason I have no idea it's an it's super weird but mid 90s capcom was kind of crazy like that right that golden era of like yeah we can put out anything we want and it doesn't matter we're gonna put in rock the arcades it reached the peak when they just went like we're releasing two entries in the same franchise into the arcades neither of which was beloved as much as the original vampire hunter aka dark stalkers three vampire savior excuse me visav but the collection does something really cool that I was not expecting when you go play online in that you play
Starting point is 01:46:37 ranked and then you the for what soon as you go into online casual or ranked or whatever you you have a list of a checkboxes for which games you want to play and every game you you check it then simultaneously cues and checks for other people and then you can rent you can queue into any of the seven or eight games okay at the same time so to me that is full acknowledgement that the people who are getting this collection are down to play like some weirdo trash kusuke capcom games yes and just just want a taste of it no matter what flavor it is so when I'm I I went in and I selected cyberbots and I selected
Starting point is 01:47:27 puzzle fighter and I selected dark stalkers and then I went go and then I would have matches in all three games just intermittently as they were became available because those are the ones I felt like playing you know that is absolutely god damn bizarre that is so cool it's so cool the one thing that's bad is I had a weird moment where I was in the middle of a puzzle fighter match and then a dark stalker's challenge came through and I accepted it and it brought me to dark stalkers oh no so there was a absolutely weird bug where two challenges for different games overlapped each other and dropped me are you
Starting point is 01:48:10 sick of this go play this yeah dropped me out of the current game I was playing to pull to load up the next one but it works really well and then it also combines that with stave save state tech so if you're playing arcade mode and then a match cues up it'll save the state of your arcade mode let you jump in play online and then spit you back out where you were so that yeah so basically you don't end up having you end up having an experience that's similar to playing arcade mode someone pops a quarter in and when you're done with that match you resume where you were and it doesn't resume in the middle of the fight
Starting point is 01:48:48 it resumes at the start of the next match oh that's perfect it's exactly emulating an arcade yeah very smart very smart with that so and then yeah like I said every game is using rollback so we how is that rollback well everything we played over the course of the rivals event went smoothly with one exception unfortunately in the Hyper Street Fighter 2 match between Jimmy Bones and Justin Wong there was some there was at least three or so rollback moments that hicked up and it was like okay like in a game like that it's the most important for it to like be as smooth as possible every other match
Starting point is 01:49:34 smooth out of all of it that was it that's pretty impressive everything else everything else seemed fine I do know that like like super turbo players that need that perfect experience like they still might not be the best one there so they get really intense with it I mean in a in a couple of years those guys are going to be old enough to do the point where they can't tell the difference I mean you say that but shout outs you know Arturo like he is doing like multiple monitor tests he's doing multiple resolution checks he's doing yeah I know but it's just a couple years until I see him on primal trying to get
Starting point is 01:50:14 through party finer for fucking Geruda clears the retirement home awaits there's a sub waiting for you if you could prove that you've been in the FGC for a long enough time like your sub is automatically paid for but anyway so the event itself was a whole lot of fun shout outs to those guys shout outs to Max and to Trivals folks we basically were able to get two teams together of FGC peeps yeah and yeah it was you know I kind of I picked some homies and some some you know some some strong players that I'm that I think could do it and that I'm friends with I got Jimmy Bones yeah who's you know a strong SD player I got
Starting point is 01:51:07 at best a bond who is the whole black box pulled back to block guy and strong he taught me how to play Darkstalkers and you know strong vampires player I got Kizzy K one of the strong anime players in the Arturo Sanchez of course who classic Street Fighter and overall poverty you know Team Spooky all that stuff got at some of those old games so really good at the classics over on Max aside he got Justin Wong needs no introduction certainly yeah got automatic strong third strike player JM Crofts as well who is another streamer that's I did fighting game Jeopardy with him actually our jam party and yeah another
Starting point is 01:52:01 nose nose is classics and super strong ST player that that just that like was top eight at that ST for an EVO shit was a DJ pepperoni no no no God sorry I'm drawing a black as a misfit I think it was like plays Kami and yeah just silent scope excuse me silent scope my bad so like team of like absolute killers on that side as well and we were basically gonna have a series of matches between our teams so what that means is each player rotates through fighting the other team and then as you as each matchup as each winner wins the loser is out and the winner goes to the bottom of the list and then you keep
Starting point is 01:53:05 rotating so we did that and yeah the way it went down was we started with we started with Vampire Savior which Esteban went up first against Justin Wong and now I'm like okay this is what you're here for and he lost that first match against Justin and I went holy fucking shit we're in trouble oh god you know you know Max got the killers where we got we got some strong players but oh boy oh boy this is the game plan of why he's here and it was it was rough and then like yeah we we lost in Vampire Savior and then went over to pocket fighter which is if you remember the puzzle fighter sprites of like the little cute chibi
Starting point is 01:53:59 characters of Ryu and all that stuff yeah it's the fighting game version of that where they like cosplay in the middle of their combos and stuff cute game really fun looking back on that too is really fun to just look back at the Capcom references that are all over the backgrounds and you know the overall just like the celebration of multiple Capcom characters all being in a fighting game where there's no other companies they have to fight they can just fight against each other and yep how that would be a great idea for a fighting game it was when it was in this game it was a great time when you had so many you know
Starting point is 01:54:34 and in the home version on ps1 they had the like other mode that was like full of more references to tons of Capcom characters and you got Mega Man in there and all this fun stuff where just a giant beautiful roster that doesn't need any other companies at all to be a fun game so that was that was good we enjoyed that but yeah Justin had some crazy Chun Lee tech with the link in pocket fighter there's always tech because the thing to understand but like really come on the thing to understand is that these games on this collection are the games that people back at Chinatown fair were playing in between rounds of like
Starting point is 01:55:21 third strike or ST right when you're not up when your quarters not up on the machine what are you doing you're over at fucking puzzle fighter doing diamond drops you know doing diamond glitches because that's how you kill time before you get back on the machine so yeah between that and jam crops that are really strong Zangief who's also considered pretty strong in that game as well yeah are we were we lost in pocket fighter as well so I was like oh my god it's going badly so that's Vsav down pocket fighter down and then we came and then next on the list was Red Earth and with Red Earth it got real funny really quickly because
Starting point is 01:56:07 I don't know what you remember man Red Earth is a weird fucking weird fucking game the first CPS3 game that that ever came out and it was it was meant to be a first it was meant to be a fighting game RPG right that's what they were going for they wanted you to fight the bosses to learn the pattern come back in and like use your magic and your your newfound levels to basically do almost like shadows over Mistara in a more dedicated fighting game sense you know make sense that's what they're going for play it you're like oh well when you fight max level you have a real fighting game it's just you've only got four
Starting point is 01:56:48 characters to pick from and of those characters the one that I think is super cool the ninja is fucking bottom tier is fuck so completely unviable so it comes down to Tessa the witch and Leo the thunder cats lion oh motherfucker and the main man yeah and it just so happens that like our first match it was like I think it was like jam crops versus like Jimmy and Jimmy goes to pick Tessa but like to get them to level 32 which is max level to have a real match you have to put the password in and we all made sure to get the passwords to everybody to make sure that they knew to type in the passwords and he fucked up
Starting point is 01:57:32 the password no problem restart the match let's go back in a second time second time he goes in fucks up the password again god damn it level 32 Tesla Tessa versus level one Tessa not even a fight just a complete joke you have like three moves everything does double damn it's just it's a joke you have one bar you can't you cannot do anything so that's a wash up next Esteban comes in and he picks Leo and finds what we call the button and it's a big shop it's active it's a it stays out it's a point and I don't care what you're doing I'm gonna press the button and you're gonna have to deal with it
Starting point is 01:58:19 samurai showdown style right the good old I love having a good but yep the good old CVS to you know the cow maru fierce or the or the crouching fierce with sagat just rough the fuck you so found the button beat I think it was Justin and then Kizzy and Arturo are like a word okay let's go all Leo's versus all Tesla's on the other Tessa's on the other team and just all button all button button to victory T Mufasa as I called it everything the light touches is active yeah it was a good time we were having fun with it and you know me and Max are just yucking it up and talking about the fact that like I'm
Starting point is 01:59:08 speaking to a large audience about wars are detect like on what planet did all this useless information that I've been cataloging in my head like have a use that it would finally be me explaining to thousands of people about wars are ultimate defense walking about this fucking trash about this trash as fighting game loved every minute of it and I I love those classics and I appreciate them I am super happy for the opportunity so that was that was great we took wars are with the button then came I'm glad you took it on the game that really mattered it absolutely did next came Hyper Street Fighter 2 which is a collection that is
Starting point is 02:00:00 you know everything from World Warrior all the way up to ST and fortunately a very real game a very real game which again reminder you know one J-Wong and Silent Scope are parts of that team however Jimmy Bones still is one of the nicest rogues and rollbacks aside managed to take Justin and take the win on that then the rest of the team went okay I think he's lost his set but Arturo who is one of the greatest Sims of all time came in and just did what he does what he's been doing for the last 27 years and just rocked Dalsim and cleaned up and that was it we took Street Fighter 2 so congratulations yeah that was pretty
Starting point is 02:00:56 exciting we had a we had a solid 2-2 there now the way the event was set to go was there's going to be the team matches and then it was just for exhibition not even necessarily as a tiebreaker there would be me and Max playing against each other in the games we had selected but it turns out because it was 2-2 at this point it was going to be a tiebreaker so that was like alright the tension has built it up in such a way where it's like it comes down to the captains and I was like that's pretty fun that it actually you know went that way so we started with Cyberbots and okay again I don't know what you remember
Starting point is 02:01:43 about fucking Cyberbots but I'm looking it up right now I don't remember a thing remember Jin from Marvel 1 yeah and he did the bloatia punch yeah he calling the robot I think I played like a total of 18 minutes of that game in my life yeah a lot of people do either they either know Cyberbots or Armored Warriors which is the other like Mecca it was a it was a scrolling besides scrolling beat them up where you could use three players and you could combine together into one big robot it's pretty sick but like yeah it's a similar kind of setup with the way the mechs are and if you knew one or the other then like you kind of that's
Starting point is 02:02:28 what they were similar in that way but Cyberbots was the more pure 2D fighter of the two so yeah Cyberbots we played and I went in I tried to mess around like there's a character that is like literally his name is Santana and he looks like he's and his artwork is him doing the Avdol Jojo pose and it's just like it's ridiculous with the references like they're they're not even hiding what they're into so I picked him went in with not the power pilots make a difference anyway went in with tarantula one of the robots tried to rush max down couldn't get it in he was using bloatia he was doing his can uppercuts
Starting point is 02:03:14 because that's what's gonna happen so I switched to the grappler and I fucking grappled my way through and I took Cyberbots so well that was pretty hype I graduated congratulations oops sure it's appropriate given the given the context yeah so that was that was pretty hype I came back on that one then we played puzzle fighter and max is absolutely better than me at that game and was cleaning up but I want to figure do you want to sweep that because you're Tetris mania no because I play I don't I didn't play puzzle fighter that much as a kid I played a ton of Tetris and I kept playing Tetris I never put
Starting point is 02:04:00 that much time into puzzle fighter I be not beyond like kind of learning the basics I never played competitively that that that often and I know that JJ plays a ton of it and was teaching like max the tricks I remember he was saying like because yeah she's big into like all kinds of puzzle games I'm into some puzzle games but I like I cover Tetris attack and I cover Tetris unfortunately not puzzle fighter I certainly wish I did though but you know I was as someone who came in and you know tried to just kind of learn the ropes I think I was like okay let me try to hold my own and I think I got yeah it
Starting point is 02:04:39 it wasn't a complete rinse like I did manage to get a couple rounds in there and I think I got a game I forget how it went but there was a there was at least one solid really hype come back because of the way the system works is like when you're about to die if you get the perfect block you can just make your partner die as well so like your opponent die like the momentum up until the last one is very very that's so weird so that then it was one one and then the last game well so it was supposed to be according to the original thing it was supposed to be Night Warriors right and I believe we were going to go that way
Starting point is 02:05:20 because that was the one of the it was like Vsav is the like the known and there's no competitive game but it didn't have Donovan in it so I think like you know I think we're kind of going to go that with Night Warriors because like it did but it's a very weird franchise where every game plays completely differently from each other and as I was describing like the weirdness of like the the later Darkstalkers games when you go into like some of the early ones characters don't even do the same things so like the character I was play I play like the fish Rikuo slash all bath he goes from being strangely attractive
Starting point is 02:05:59 Merman precisely he goes from being a motion character to a charge character like he just they just completely reinvent what he what he is and what he does that's why I could never get in a Darkstalker since every time I picked it up I was absolutely fucking baffled as to what was going on yeah um the rules change drastically from every single one of those games the only consistency you're gonna really have is like Dimitri and Morrigan are gonna be Shodos you know you can you can fireball soul fist and demon cradle all you want but then the weird but then when those two fireballs clash with each other
Starting point is 02:06:37 instead of clashing they push against each other and depending on the move properties and the duration and the strength of it it'll push one all the way until it hits you because they don't clash like normal fireballs clash because it's a weird game and it's a weird ass franchise Darkstalkers is nuts dude um yeah I that's fucking weird I remember like like when we like we we both we were playing and we had that moment where we saw them push up against each other and just we were both like what the fuck is happening like what it's like oh yeah no this was made when like they made a street capcom made alpha and alpha
Starting point is 02:07:19 was popular they're like let's just try to create the idea of what hypergames will be and change the rules entirely and things like that are happening you know anyway we were supposed to play Night Warriors and then um much to our surprise they decided to go chat's choice on that one oh no so they ended up doing a poll where me and Max just sat there nervously going oh god we did not we have no practice oh god what's this gonna be oh no and in the end there was a push that was going between Street Fighter 2 which I think that he would have preferred and he was mentioning and then Vampire Savior right which is what
Starting point is 02:08:06 the winning choice was they wanted to see more Vsav so alright let's oblige we jump in there and I'm like I have no prep and I'll do what I can I'm just gonna have to remember what Esteban Esteban taught me last time we did I get into fighting games on it and I could not unfortunately I could not hold out and Max picked well I can't I'm looking at the list here of Darkstalkers games yep because you said Vampire Savior and I'm like I'm not super sure which one that is so I'm on the website yeah and I still can't I'm looking at Vampire Savior and I can't even tell which one it is in what order of the fucking release
Starting point is 02:08:50 it is incredibly confusing I'm gonna do my best to sum this up real quick in Japan Vampire Vampire Hunter Vampire Savior right right one two three in English Darkstalkers Night Warriors Darkstalkers 3 Vampire Savior right yeah then in Japan only Vampire Hunter 2 and Vampire Savior 2 simultaneously released okay but on the list for the Capcom fighting collection it's neither of those it's Darkstalkers Night Warrior and then Vampire Savior without the fucking word Darkstalkers so the problem is that the subtitles this is already confusing and then the subtitles make it even worse because Darkstalkers the
Starting point is 02:09:51 original game is known as Darkstalkers the Night Warriors in English in Japan it was just known as Vampire the second game in English comes out and is called Night Warriors Darkstalkers Revenge Darkstalkers Revenge I guess it's a tiny little text so the subtitle confuses everyone because it's a different branding entirely this game in Japan is called Vampire Hunter then Vampire Savior comes out in Japan and is called the Vampire Savior the Lord of Vampire and in English they translate that to Darkstalkers 3 Vampire Savior of course to confuse even further Vampire Hunter 2 still says Darkstalkers Revenge and
Starting point is 02:10:37 Vampire Savior 2 still says the Lord of Vampire but the words used for one title are the direct title of different games subtitles this is way worse than the Final Fantasy 6 stuff this this is this is probably the worst one it probably has something this absolutely has an effect on part of why this franchise is also kind of unknown larger you know it's kind of like it's that other franchise where the morrigan comes from because they keep using morrigan right so let's let's say I casually played Darkstalkers back in the day like an average person not like one of us video game freaks yep this leads to the
Starting point is 02:11:20 situation of a friend of yours going hey you like Darkstalkers right I go yeah cool hey I got this new I got a kit collection let's play Darkstalkers and you start to play it and go what the fuck is this this is not what I played this is not what I played yeah and then you're talking your friend and you can't you legitimately cannot figure out what game you even played back in the day furthermore there's other things where the sequels switch out characters and bring in others because excuse me the animation was too hot too detailed on Pyron and Whitzel so they switch that out and then they brought in Donovan and
Starting point is 02:12:10 Bebe hood but then in other game like then they have to switch them back for Vampire Hunter 2 so like it's this weird thing where there's also character roster changes where the two character select screens look identical but two or three of the spots are replaced with different characters entirely for memory issues as well it's it's just it's batshit it's fucking batshit and like I want to say that there was an anthology game that was released where you could just pick the all characters all versions eventually but for some reason they didn't continue to just release that as the final game Dark
Starting point is 02:12:48 Stalkers because that's what they should have done is the moment they made that anthology edition it should have just been this is all we're porting from now on right Street Fighter 2 got that treatment Hyper Street Fighter 2 instead of porting World Warrior championship hyperfighting as an ST they just put all they give you the all in one here's every version of the character shut up what if you want to if you want to play hyperfighting just pick two hyperfighting characters done and pick hyperfighting for them and you're done so they had that for Dark Stalkers but they just didn't port those going forward and I wish
Starting point is 02:13:20 they did it would really simplify this nightmare you know but and anyways in any case that's what happens what version is nightmare Dark Stalkers the the nightmare Chronicles no no it is it is it is a literal nightmare but or figurative nightmare anyway so I don't even know if anyone knew what they were voting on but at the end of the day they voted and that we played Vsav and yeah Max's Wolf aka John Tailbane aka Gallon because don't forget that these characters also have names that are region locked as well if you thought if you thought dictator claw and boxer were bad right all back to this
Starting point is 02:14:06 Rick Huo Gallon John Tailbane Zabelle Lord Raptor and I got baby Bonnie hood versus BB hood Belletta I don't understand I don't understand Lele versus Hisenko like that's what that is yeah I thought Senko was like the sister title or whatever and then Lele was the character's name and I thought Hisenko was his was one of the ghosts and then her sister was Lele and it's like no that's not what it is that is also region locked naming it's so fucking weird man so yeah we say fish we say wolf we say you know whatever just keep it simple and that was
Starting point is 02:15:06 it that is terrible that is like remarkably terrible but that being said it's nice that like the chapter can be kind of closed almost in terms of like a rollback PC version of these old weird 90s Capcom games is now available so what you need to do Capcom is do a rollback PC version of all the non weirdo games perhaps perhaps but right this is this is the this is the weirdo batch to test right well it's it's it's more like you know it's to satiate it's to satiate the weirdos and we're we're out here there are some fiends that are like I don't give a fuck about any of these fighting games I've been
Starting point is 02:15:53 jones in for some puzzle fighter and those people are really happy those people are right also because puzzle fighter fucking rules it's really good it's really good and that new mobile one that came out no one we don't talk about that that weird thing some time ago I think I don't know if it's even still listed or not it's horrifying they went with like she be characters but they were like CG like like flat 3d it was it was God fucking but yes hopefully the next time around you can pull in some of the weird 3d fighting games that they had the tech romances and plasma swords and star gladiators
Starting point is 02:16:39 of the world the power rain the power stones you know those those need some love too so any power stone didn't age as well as it could have but you know we had some fun playing it the other day like I popped it in not long ago and it was like it's it's still pretty fun I like one way more than two admittedly so like I think like that's a big part of it but yeah so when it's soon I was done with dragons dog muck and he go on to make a new rival schools and then and then he can just go back to his home planet I know that they know because Akira and is assigned that they know and during Akira's announcement they kind of made
Starting point is 02:17:26 implication to the fact that they know you know so we know they know it's just what are you gonna do with that they know that we know that they know yes but I don't know if we're gonna hit your layer four yeah anyway we because we definitely don't know that they know that we know that they know no and then of course the person who doesn't know anything wins the exchange yes rival schools what is that it's like it's like a high school soccer game yeah sure sure whatever whatever whatever so that's it you know it was a pretty hype show I'm glad we glad everyone enjoyed it people were very excited and a lot of
Starting point is 02:18:11 people were really happy for the the the bits or the the twitch chat points or whatever they made out on the yeah the bets and shit like that and I'm you know again happy to come in and and talk about old fucking old 90s bullshit any time old fucking Kosuga absolutely and you know that was that was a fun event so yeah again it's a five hour stream the archive is up there but I'm gonna try to get a highlight video out for those of you who would like to catch up on it to see some of the fun which you know it'll be ready hopefully sometime soon but that was the twitch rivals event and
Starting point is 02:18:57 yeah shout outs to the teams as well everyone good job good good hustle good business good work that was that okay last little bit DNF dual came out I saw and I've been playing a lot of crusader online oh he's actually not I'm surprised he's not over represented in my in my matches yeah but he's over represented in cool people Bible quotes yeah DNF dual is it's interesting because here's what I can say now that I'm looking at the final version and now that we have training mode you know and all that shit one if you release a beta for your game and you don't give people
Starting point is 02:19:56 access to training mode then they're going to find infinites on day one this is just what's gonna happen I saw I saw that like there are within hours broken ass parts of this game there are that there's like a an air floating infinite normal string that like striker does at one point there's some weird shit that they're gonna need to patch but this is a result of having only online beta tests if people can lab they find the stuff that you can fix in you know then the stretch between release day and day one between going golden grand day one but they didn't want to do that well this is what happens right so yeah some
Starting point is 02:20:38 infinites are in the game I assume those are gonna get patched the fuck out they're already banned or they'll patch new ones in so everyone every character can have them stay excited for that the things that I thought were oppressive about Crusader that I really enjoy that ain't shit because it turns out since they they didn't really adjust any of that they kind of made it so that you can't do as many reps they made it so that you flip out a little earlier in the hammer all combo that I do and I that ended up being nothing because 75% of that roster can lock you down for even longer than that and be more abusive in yeah tons of
Starting point is 02:21:20 ways it's crazy right so this is one of those weird things where it's kind of like remember Rising Thunder in how it was like one of the easiest to get into fighting games one of the easiest like introductions basic in its systems but yes then once people start getting advanced at that they find out how to abuse that system and of course you know be as efficient as possible and yeah because it was this thing of like well we need to allow the game to be easy to operate for anybody that's brand new so they can get into it and what happens is the people that are moderate to skill to take this easy operation to create
Starting point is 02:21:59 completely 100% full proof lockdowns that can't be escaped or situations that are easy to do that can't be dealt with so what you kind of end up seeing and I mean it's a it's a it's a move that like I think it worked in Rising Thunder's case and it's and it's it works in this case but you have to be ready for it is you put a mechanic in that just allows for what we call sauce to be applied at any point in time right you go okay the game is fairly fixed because being easy to execute and being easy to introduce and understand the systems means your your variability is going to go down but
Starting point is 02:22:42 you add one little wrinkle in there and in that case this is cancels at any point at any time with the as long as you cash in your grey life and that then allows you to do some long combos or long block strings which stall for time which lets you build up more mana which you can then cast to continue locking down and being really oppressive so my all this preamble is to say that currently I'm online I'm doing ranked matches and in the high diamond tier it is instantly become a like three mistake game so it's fun I just while you're talking I'm like I want to get a better look at this I go to a random
Starting point is 02:23:25 tournament footage that happened yesterday and I skim through let's find a random match and as you're describing a three mistake game what I'm seeing is hitman versus launcher and I'm seeing hitman just lock launcher down into the corner with a block string that's like 15 seconds long yep only for launcher to guess correctly and knock him out of it and then start locking him down from full screen yep for the entirety of the remainder of the match yep so that's what this game is huh yeah it's I get to play until you force me to stop and then you get to play until I force you to stop one-player game and if I interrupt
Starting point is 02:24:08 you at the right moment it's now my one-player game absolutely yeah and what a fucking weird fucking fighting game it's wild in that like there was some of that in there was some of that in the fucks it called Jesus Christ it's already gone for my brain Psygames whatever blue blaze blaze not not blaze blue grandblue grandblue grandblue grand be bluebly yeah grandblue had had grandblue had a little of that but nowhere near this amount this amount is way more like what dragon ball has right dragon ball fighters levels of oppression when you when you decide to spend all the resources to stay in on someone you know
Starting point is 02:24:58 it is yeah and like I'm playing a character like Crusader where like you can't just speed your way through things I'm seeing this shit in the loops even just skimming this that are just like what if I just did the same special six times in a row yeah if you've got them the MP for it right and MP as you take damage you start with a hundred and then as you take damage the less life you have the more MP cap goes up so right before you die you get to two hundred and when you have two hundred and you've got a big beam or some crazy missile in the air that'll track you can just keep throwing them out you know and so what
Starting point is 02:25:39 it comes down to on the defensive side is because there's no bursts you can either do a like an alpha counter or you can roll or you can do a DP you can do your dragon you sure you can that everyone has you know and that's it those are your options or just or just hold it this looks like a cross between Sailor Moon and Fist of the North Star Fist of the North Star is not the worst comparison because people do just go on forever with those combos absolutely the one-player game into the one-player game where we take our turns yeah yeah I can definitely say that that's a comparison
Starting point is 02:26:29 that works here I think I'm just watching Swiftmaster fucking start the match with this oh the rap yeah yeah just do it over and over and over for the whole match Swiftmaster is a character that's made for the audience to go you know like it's made for the rhythm yeah no everyone locks you down for 15 seconds everyone has insane oppressive nonsense and you I hope you're like patient enough to feel like you're ready to deal with that because that's where this game goes but when you start it as a beginner it is simple basic and one of the most beginner-friendly fighting games for sure I'm I'd put it out you know I'd put it
Starting point is 02:27:21 up there with yeah like I said like the rising thunders of the world you know there's even the ability to like if you press the tilt plus forward plus magic button you'll do your forward spell but if you do a Hadoken instead you'll do a forward spell that will recover just a little bit faster in terms of how fast you get your mana back so I like that because that gives an incentive to like to be able to do the spell on reaction yeah value yeah and it's not taking away it's not making your fireball a better fireball it's making your resource come back they're making the cooldown less lower you know similarly there's a block
Starting point is 02:28:03 button so if someone's switching sides and crossing you up there is a button you can hold to avoid that but the skill comes down to knowing when to switch to that button or not well this really is like every match I'm skipping to is is just like my turn no now it's my turn like that like over and over and over back and forth this does this game have neutral it has it does but it lasts for a half second and then neutral is over right you said like you said fist of the North Star has neutral Marvel has neutral but what that nooch ends very quickly nooch doesn't last nooch is fucking you know we we are watching the
Starting point is 02:28:47 winners final there was neutral for four seconds and I'm now watching combo into a lockdown now it's the other guy's turn yeah so Jesus Christ so it's kind of wild I'm in I'm playing I'm enjoying Crusader a lot so I'm curious to see where they go with this but I can't believe like something that was designed to be so accessible was also designed to be so oppressive at the same time this is so filthy it's it's massively easy and massively oppressive everyone feels like they're kind everyone feels like they're high in a tier list that you know ranks between s and a minus you know every character seems to be equipped
Starting point is 02:29:41 with the ability to elucidate the emotion what am I supposed to fucking do here and it apparently this is what dungeon fighter online is like oh yeah dfo which is the source game for this right is a online like beat em up mmo and you kind of have a lot of that feeling and the way the bar works and mana and spells are caught are a lot like that so they're being faithful while allowing aiding to create a fuck you know a reasonable fighting game out of that feeling that you get when you use those characters and that's important because if you really really funny if you main these characters in dfo and then you grab them here and
Starting point is 02:30:27 you felt like annoyed with the translation that would suck that wouldn't feel that good you know so I like in order to for this to work I want all my bullshit and give everyone their bullshit so that's it everyone gets their bullshit and now everyone has to deal with everyone else's bullshit what was also interesting to learn so yeah this dude I knew back in the the old days on the wild old fighting game message boards this place called higher voltage was fucking crazy he made this video about like what an introduction to dnf versus like from dfo players what they've been playing for the last
Starting point is 02:31:10 couple fucking decades men has been into dfo for years so I've he's been telling me about it he's been like dude like yeah you should check it out there's some cool shit yeah that seems this kind of thing and I finally was able to understand what is going on with the name and the classes and the characters in the world of this thing because I was just like but what the fuck is happening and why is it so weird sounding and what the what kind of fucking name is dungeon and fighter and why is that like I'm gonna blame fate for this so not even know it's older and simpler than that back in the day there was maple
Starting point is 02:31:46 story maple story was popular then yeah I guess I think it's like next song or so okay whatever these guys came along and they're like yeah we're gonna make our thing but we're gonna do it and it's gonna be kind of inspired by shadow over mistara so we want to make a game that's part shadow over mistara part street fighter it's gonna be like D&D and it's gonna be like street fighter it's gonna be dungeons and dragons and fighter dungeon and fighter dnf D&D that's it they literally just cut the words in half and slap them together you know that's it right okay we've been saying D&D for years and we never thought twice about
Starting point is 02:32:33 it because it's older than we are so that's all it was yeah then the classes in the game that we have are not characters because they're there what you're seeing in some of the characters is not different potential characters that you pick you're seeing different end routes of the same character so there's a character called slayer it's a swordsman who has a possessed arm and that's a starting generic class you can choose to then advance his class to berserker and then he looks like the guy with the red sword and the bloody arm and he's doing all the blood moves or ghost blade is another job you can
Starting point is 02:33:21 advance to and they're both coming from the same branch character that is a weird way to do it yeah but it's fucking interesting because that means some of the characters on the on the cast for example you saw hitman right did you see the other guy that's a troubleshooter he has like did they both have a gun and a sword they both have like a kind of you know Zaddy features and you know they look all sharp and suave they both look like they could be easily modded to look just like Max exactly which they have been actually the amount of the mod is already out and they're both from the same original character the same base job
Starting point is 02:34:01 those are two advanced classes okay start from from the same starting class so that makes perfect sense in an RPG it just seems so bizarre when you apply that logic to a fighting game it is you know but like I like that I now that I understand why they look that way and what they're going for it's pretty fucking cool so turns out that crusader is like a is an advanced or promotion class from a priest right but the but the other thing you can do with a priest is you can become like an exorcist you can become like an Avenger which is like using the demons to fight the demons or you can become a monk which is that
Starting point is 02:34:43 same crusader looking Jesus guy except he puts the hammer down and uses it as an area buff and then just gets out his fists and starts punching shit dem C rolling and boxing alright and I'm like motherfucker like what are you doing to me by telling me about this class like I have never had this feeling of immediately picking up a toy and five minutes later throwing it down for the new toy that's not even out yet because now I need a monk you know it's so it's an interesting little thing like I like that idea of these different end results grappler looks like a Ryu man but he's not he looks like a normie roomie
Starting point is 02:35:28 Ryu man but he's a grappler but if you use his class which is the fighter class you can make him a striker kind of like the girl and he can do normal punches and kicks or you can make him more of a shoto traditionally you know and that's why that kind of gi look that he has is what you see on the grappler but you don't think you know anyway all that to say that what you're saying is there's a lot of potential for this roster to grow yes because there's 16 base classes okay yeah no that's that okay that's a lot that's plenty and each of them can expand into four you know sometimes so I think there's 60 total jobs so I want
Starting point is 02:36:12 to I want to I want to just pair this down to its basest explain it to me like I'm five essentials you have characters and one is Ryu and the other is what if Ryu found a gun yes what if you that's different what if Ryu embraced Satsui no Hado and then what if Ryu walks away from that and finds his own fist or whatever okay and then the last Ryu is what if he gets Sakura real preggers and settles down yeah all four Ryu's are advanced classes okay I get alright that's fucking weird yeah that is so goddamn weird I think it's cool I like it you know oh it's not bad weird it's just strange and so the results of
Starting point is 02:37:04 these so these characters are always gonna be that class name more than a like an names character yeah it always may it always whenever people talk about DFO I'd always they'd always be talking about it like oh man I just love brawler or sure yeah and it's like you mean your character no and then the other bit is that like the world is there's a the god of the world is called Carloso aka Carlos and and there's different realms and like there's like a like a higher presidium realm for where like some of the classes come from there's an underworld where like some of the underclasses come from the gritty there's like an ocean in
Starting point is 02:37:47 between them and it's all these different like vertical things stacked on top each other but then on the top top top level all the mages and all the magic comes from pandemonium which is just this crazy broken up city full of like like furries and mages and shit and it turns out that that's just New York City from planet Earth because long ago 13 artificial gods destroyed the planet and it exploded and sent the city of New York flying through space and then it had big space adventures where everyone turned into like a furry or like a mage and then different things attacked it while in space and they had to fend for
Starting point is 02:38:32 themselves and then eventually in like five years yeah or so give or take maybe two and a half yeah and then they that settles on top of the world of DFO so now New York City is just sitting on top there and that's where all the mages come from that that okay yeah that tracks tracks that that crazy witches from the Bronx I believe that yep I think I've met that person so this is DNF dual this is what's happening in this game good times good times I'm enjoying it I'm curious you know we may be in this fantasy world with all these goblins but at least we don't have as many rats they didn't make it so sick of the rats they were they
Starting point is 02:39:27 were left behind in the explosion or they survived and mutated and became the furry citizens of New York so who knows dungeon and fighters dual is yeah it's a I think you know what it's gonna be it's I think I'm gonna put this up as like the easiest way to feel what it's like to oppress people and be oppressed as if you were better than you are if you want to feel what it's like when you see those clips of like people doing crazy shit in like Marvel you know and your dragon ball even and you want to like get in there a little earlier you can do it pretty quickly in this game if you if you want to recreate the feeling of going to a
Starting point is 02:40:19 child's basketball game and slapping the ball out of their hands so that you can run up and dunk on them and then stab it with a knife and leave and so play DNF and so I think what happens scientifically is if you take some ingredients and you go let's take like easy to get into right accessible gameplay and put massive oppression just above the surface level you then train people to either oppress or be oppressed and people who are at that level who don't have the mental fortitude just crumple when it's their turn on the wall and this leads to a series of tweets with our favorite Bible quotes because rage
Starting point is 02:41:10 quitters cannot handle when it's not their turn yeah oh yeah this game is bringing out some fucking rage quitters that really just can't take it the you know it's like if you if you agree to the contract here you know what we're doing when it's your turn if you got to hold the wall and when it's my turn I'll do the same but you just can't handle it and you fucking rage quit if Tuesday's your day in the barrel you don't get to leave Monday night you know so they're gonna learn they're gonna learn and I have no problem using my my large account to fucking expose that shit and and and show those people to the public for
Starting point is 02:41:56 their their whiny baby ways I love it yeah good times anyway so that's pretty much that coming up on the channel we're gonna continue so yeah we've got Mass Effect coming in this week as well as Elden Ring and we're gonna have a we're gonna have a special stream on Friday too because coming up this weekend there's a tournament going on it's Ultimate Montreal Air Dashers aka UMED is gonna is happening great name great name great name so I'm gonna pop in see if I can you know do a little something something in some of these some of these games and that's happening on Saturday so we're not going to be
Starting point is 02:42:49 able to do our regular get into fighting game stream but instead on Friday I'm gonna have a special stream we're doing a Rumbleverse sponsorship stream so they're doing the what is it the play test they're doing a play test this weekend for Rumbleverse fantastic and Esteban is in town and so he's gonna pop on by and we're gonna just do some some Rumbleverse so instead of Saturday we're gonna do Friday get into fighting games and yeah come check it out should be a good time and and that's gonna be it cool I need to take a quick break yep me too BRB all right perfect okay a quick word from our sponsors this week this
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Starting point is 02:53:57 strongly into that second camp what's going on this week alright so a couple things one I got a five second news article for you sure hey everyone final fantasy 14 data center transfers are open no wait they are not never mind what happened they turned it on and it fucking broke and then they turned it off how fast did it break real real fast real fast that it turns out the the new system ended up DDoSing themselves into the dirt is there's no amount of time that will ever fully prepare them for any of these things on day one right it's just the rule is it has to break on day
Starting point is 02:54:52 one and then it's it's the thing of like listen they want to go like hey we want to have the ability for people to travel to any data center any server any location and we got all the service set up so it'll work and you know what I bet it did and then they got 15,000 requests per minute to do it and the system went I don't know it is in terms of money probably better to find the need to scale up desperately than the need to scale down after over blowing the features on something and spending very much on it yeah so that that makes sense to me so yeah we talked about try against that Peter ready the panel came
Starting point is 02:55:41 and and night I was on it and I'm glad he was there because it's one of those things that I make sure you want to see the creator there talking about what he thinks about this this new thing but that was not the only new announcement anime wise there was also confirmation that penny and stocking with Garter Belt season two is coming we're finally gonna get some more fucking Teddy Lloyd songs yeah so um penny and stocking is another one of those ones where it's fucking awesome and I'd never finished it wow you're lucky because it is like it is like a violent hateful cling cliffhanger in which they're like we are
Starting point is 02:56:30 so being cancelled right now oh yeah okay yeah I definitely has the audacity to say next time on season two I shit okay I didn't know that it though that yeah I very much enjoyed it of what I saw but that's that's cool so what's it been fucking 2010 yeah ten years okay I got through most of the first season I just think I just didn't finish cool so yeah they're confirming a season two and not much to say except trigger a triggers is doing it and as they're announcing their 10th anniversary celebration so good shit trigger what else is going on we got we got an announcement as well actually just before we went live that lollipop
Starting point is 02:57:41 chainsaw remake is currently in the works so the deal with that is I think grasshopper like got the rights for it away from their old publisher something like that not grasshopper actually so it's it was a weird little story going alongside the announcement for it because dragami games which was the publisher that so Yoshimi Yatsuda excuse me Yoshimi Yatsuda was the producer on lollipop chainsaw and he I believe like founded a company dragami games and they worked in cooperation with grasshopper but so they got the the rights now and they got the approval with Warner Brothers so it seems like it's happening with the
Starting point is 02:58:39 producer and a team that has some of the old members but it doesn't mention grasshopper specifically so that's super weird I super bizarre yeah big but it but like some of the people at this new company like 30 of the staff members are from katakawa right so like it looks as if like they're a different company that's going to be working on it that's mainly led by the producer but it's going to consist of staffers from the old project from that worked on the original as well so that should be fine but it ultimately doesn't necessarily mention like I guess like like Suda or James Gunn I believe was part of that too yeah right yeah but
Starting point is 02:59:24 it's a remake but they did say that they're also it's not just a complete remake there's going to be some content that's updated and changed as well so okay seems to be yeah the the the it's a it's a surprisingly like there's a the full letter that goes alongside of it is like surprisingly long and kind of just explains that they're like they didn't want lollipop chainsaw to be lost to like the pre the old generation and it's never and it was not ported forward at any point in a way that people play it lollipop chainsaw is like decent but I wouldn't like it's it definitely didn't set the world on fire it's fine
Starting point is 03:00:05 I I mainly know it for the popularity of its cosplay and like you know I feel like the the how big that got more than the game itself but yeah it seemed like seemed like it you know I remember you saying back in the day that was alright right yeah it was alright it's it's definitely better than shadows of the damned yeah yeah I bought that on release but the yeah so they're mainly saying that basically they're bringing it back because they want it to not be like you know a portlocked on old consoles and they're not going to be able to license the 16 songs they had for the old soundtrack but they're going to
Starting point is 03:01:00 figure something else out and that's coming out next year so this announcement also implies that it seems to be like already underway well that's good unexpected but sure sure I don't know anyone that hates lollipop chainsaw certainly I also don't know anyone that hates lollipop chainsaw that's coming this fucking story is great so you know how we often would talk about the legendary Nintendo shareholder meetings which yes would be in my head Iwata standing in the middle of the Coliseum like Spaniard in Gladiator and just yelling back at them as they just just why don't you charge people
Starting point is 03:01:57 three dollars to make Mario jump over the pit and just Iwata just are you not entertained to the fucking roaring crowd you know I feel like that's the image of these things and there's been a couple where there's either a transcript transcript or audio maybe it was just a transcript but I feel like I might have heard audio at one point because my brain is either remembering or inventing the exasperation of the answers to these questions that shareholders are asking where yeah why can't my kid spend my credit card on your Nintendo games the way my kid spends his credit card on all these other
Starting point is 03:02:40 phone bullshit you know and just like whatever that whole era so someone basically went I want to ask a question at a shareholder meeting and what is that gonna take it's like well you have to be a shareholder but you have to hold at least 100 shares in Nintendo to be at the shareholder meeting and you might not get your question it's not it's not like the the greatest barrier to entry but it's it's it's not insignificant it's not insignificant because the cost of at the time at least 100 shares was $40,000 okay so you would have had to have been a serious investor in Nintendo so it would seem
Starting point is 03:03:26 maybe not on the grand scale but definitely on the personal scale so a fan basically decided to invest $40,000 in Nintendo specifically to get the floor to ask a question about when they would be bringing back f0 now now I have to say that compared to the usual investor questions that we know of which are the awful awful when is Nintendo going to just become a gacha company when is Nintendo going to triple down on gambling when are you going to stop Rob what are you going to start robbing children and giving us the dividends line of questioning that you get from the investors someone just went in and said
Starting point is 03:04:18 I'm going to pay the cost to ask for a fucking sequel bag live at a meeting so the the wildest thing is like it's not even the worst idea in the world unless you think Nintendo stock is going to crash in the near future he's kind of safe Nintendo tends to do well in the stock market right so all like if he really wanted to he could put it in ask the question and then just pull it right the fuck back out you know I don't know what the number is but I do remember that there was that time when a Yamauchi said that Nintendo has the capital to run for 40 years without a profit yeah stay in business and I remember that
Starting point is 03:05:07 like that stuck with me because I'm like unless he was just lying which is not an impossibility because that man was crazy yeah that is a wild number which kind of also explains some of their like hesitation and like decisions to reiterate that around the Wii as well they said the Wii was so successful we could keep operating at some degree for decades and decades and decades without just making it pretty much any money at all yeah now that's not something you're going to hear often because that's not what shareholders want to hear when they invest in a company but the idea that they could be
Starting point is 03:05:48 a loss leader or you know and that they could continue operations without having to shutter is kind of insane thinking about how bigger companies have like fumbled over less you know but he asked the question specifically yes when would they return to franchises like F-Zero which hasn't seen a new entry since 2004 and it's no guarantee that every question is going to get answered but this one did and the president basically said it's realistically difficult to develop new titles and remakes including sequels for every Nintendo game that people request but we're grateful and we
Starting point is 03:06:36 appreciate the expectations our fans have for our games never the answer is never yeah now I mean 48 hours before Metroid Dread was announced that would have been the answer about Metroid as well right yeah so fucking wait and see that's it that's it it happens when it happens and it doesn't until it doesn't but when it does our shit yo Metroid's back oh shit it's really good dang cool okay send a copy to John Cena he loved it he did and we just get John Cena to ask for a new F-Zero is that a better solution no because it was still a solid decade between when he asked and when Metroid
Starting point is 03:07:27 Dread actually came out but they did send him a copy I'm I'm just gonna it's kind of like fucking us choosing whatever game to play next right it'll just it'll it'll happen and if it happens then it'll be like oh shit it's happening that's that's about it if anybody wants to give me $40,000 to play F-Zero I'll bring F-Zero back for you I promise if you would like to invest in Woolly versus as an institution to get your LP we will hear your question I promise you that is accurate we will listen to you we will hear your question guaranteed
Starting point is 03:08:15 yeah no it's funny but it's also like yeah I guess he just keeps the investment you know that's in and that like that's why Nintendo could be much more there could be much worse companies in the games business to invest in for example some companies are like allergic to money yeah that's possible due to their own you know who knows dinosaur like qualities but Atlas for example one such famous company has a collection of IPs and Sega is exploring live-action TV and movie adaptations of things like persona and they didn't specifically say SMT they said persona but it looks like they're considering
Starting point is 03:09:14 the live-action world seeing as a Sonic the Hedgehog moved forward as well so I think that that is a great idea and they should go ahead as fast as possible you know there's a lot of stuff out there that is a terrible idea for adaptation right you're not gonna get you're not you're not gonna guess where I'm going with this there's a lot of stuff out there that's terrible for adaptation however you still have a little thing inside your head that's like but how would it look I kind of just curious what it would look like right
Starting point is 03:10:02 it would be terrible if they committed to it but what would it just look like and this is where the magic of the Japanese stage play comes in do you remember when Phoenix Wright and persona and your ha and all these other big game franchises in Japan got stage plays and they were do high budget and they had really cool like screenshots of like the scenes and then all the actors in costume and you're like oh fuck take a look that's what live-action Phoenix Wright looks like look at Edgeworth oh shit right and trip that article with the picture of all the actors that's what you want you don't want persona live-action
Starting point is 03:10:52 TV show what you want is to look at those pictures of the characters in costume for the look like them that's an acahiko right there wow look at me they nailed it and that's it you might think you want more but I promise you don't so this is where the play should step in and just give this the franchise a little a little release for that curiosity and then go ahead and just not make it that be great your alternative want them to make it I actively want them to make it okay full-on yeah cw style persona drama and I wanted to take place in America yeah cw yeah okay and you're watching the relationships like build but like
Starting point is 03:11:51 every once in a while a UI appears over the screen to tell you like that the relationship leveled up and the arcana pops up I want I want oh god and just a bunch of like actors from like the arrow verse can just show up yeah yeah okay all right perfect there we go okay now how do how do how do personas work because remember in they're just a gun oh okay the evokers are just guns yeah they're like they pull out my evoker and then they put it at their head and then energy goes from their head into the gun and then they just shoot the gun okay okay because have you heard of the spake Kishi be Rohan I have heard of it so
Starting point is 03:12:46 there's the anime series but there's a live action Rohan series that's in Japan that's airing I think there's a at least a second season or so and it's a live action Jojo Rohan series just like the movies you know and there's no stands oh good yeah why would why would they well because we're not stand users he just has the ability heavens door but there's no stands in the actual thing yeah well I mean we wouldn't be able to see it we're not stand users so yeah it's it's kind of made so that if you're a Jojo fan you'll watch it you'll see what's going on but like my understanding is they also want it to just make sense that
Starting point is 03:13:29 if you're just like a Japanese housewife that's trying to watch TV and you want to see a spooky mystery like he you can still enjoy it without thinking about what that little kid with the hat that's half transparent is so heavens door is just his ability but there's no stands involved in the process you know yeah totally alright fair as long as we're on the same page Aaron we got to get away from the Titans and then we don't have budget for horses so hop in this car or this helicopter CW persona it's good it's great I want that and you get and you just you're not gonna get out of season
Starting point is 03:14:24 one without your main protagonist having at least one of those scenes where you know the Kira cry you know that is actually a thing that exists in a lot of art and in a bunch of live-action stuff I've seen that has like these just these moments of main character freak out and you're gonna have your P4 you're gonna have you know Rikami having a moment yeah you will yeah before the credits roll is that what you want yes okay alright that is what I want okay alright cool cool okay like Halo wasn't bad enough Halo should have been much worse I just I'm like I'm mashing together a bunch of like like moments
Starting point is 03:15:37 where things have to get really dramatic in live-action in you know like whether it's like like any it's it'll happen in like a Kamen Rider series it'll happen in like a GTO or in some of the movies that like I catch its fan chaser sometimes we're just you're doing anime things but it's in real life so it starts raining and then like two characters are turning away from each other while they're talking and it's like it's just anyway alright alright alright the world always needs more cringe will a commit all the way to it got you 100% I'm just waiting for you to talk about the podium one
Starting point is 03:16:34 podium one oh you're not gonna talk about the podium one it's a multi-chain console for web 3 gaming and it has a blockchain wallet button on the fucking on the fucking controller yo and it'll let you play games on Solana, Ethereum, Immutable X, B&B, Harmony, Wax, Polygon, and EOS what games games on those languages blockchain stadia yeah and if you if you go to their website at their their Twitter you'll see that what they the first thing they had to do after announcing the the fucking console was clarified that they did not in fact steal the Gamecube logo oh god okay I saw that that
Starting point is 03:17:36 thing that looked like a Gamecube logo and I didn't know what the logo was for of this thing okay it's totally not I just searched Google for Polyon one and Google is like are you trying to learn about polio yeah good enough you know my favorite part of every NFT or crypto thing that is we know it was a mistake we didn't steal it is the follow-up saying don't worry though we'll get a new logo soon of course why would why would you need a new logo if you didn't steal it you know you have to stop and think that if they didn't have that to begin with which led to this being discussed like they never heard of it
Starting point is 03:18:25 exactly they got what they wanted right now every time someone comes out and is like what the fuck was it this is the official Metabots fucking NFT collection and then they fucking vanish in like two seconds later it's because like you're gonna talk about it because you're like wait what is that actually real and it's like of course it's not unless you're keiji in a fune and then it's super real and you have you have a solid like 10 minutes of plausible deniability and god damn it there he is on video in front of us telling us that no this is totally happening hey man the important thing is that when I see this
Starting point is 03:19:07 thing I see it being laughably late because graphics card prices have normalized to the point where Nvidia is actually kind of fucked I don't know if anybody follows this but they are running into a problem with their distributor because they ordered like X amount of chips for the 4090s they're gonna come out and they're not gonna be able to sell that many 4090s because crypto is dead so they're trying to like defer the shipments like six months to a year out and their distributors giving them a hard time because they're like you told us you needed this many fucking chips good just keep pulling that rubber band
Starting point is 03:19:53 back you know that's how that works yeah someone dropped a message the other day saying hey I finally was able to get my 3080 and I'm just like holy shit like that's fucking awesome when like normal people can get them again when when that crash happened like three four weeks ago GPU prices normalized within like four or five days they're back down to MSRP sick that is awesome love to see and it turns out like oh wow like most of the demand for video cards was from crypto freaks well I don't know what that does to Nvidia but with the next line that's obviously a problem it's bad for them it's great for you okay good shit good
Starting point is 03:20:43 good shit so speaking of bad for scams over in the Netherlands apparently they got together to push for lootbox ban good all the all the major parties are putting a motion together which they support which will excuse me very likely move forward to classify loot boxes as a form of gambling that children in video games are manipulated to purchase and as a result it's not signed in yet but they're likely going to pass that and it's going to follow after yes the Dutch legislation will be following after Belgium did the same thing fucking sick I kind of realized something as time has gone on with this
Starting point is 03:21:46 the stuff which is just it's it's obviously like where we have talked and covered pretty much the entire encroachment of like micro transactions transactions in mini buys getting normalized yeah we've we've been here for the process and now in everything that we know and except it's just it's part of business and you don't even really think twice about it some people I know that are particularly young are they've never known a world without that kind of transaction so it's be normalized it's just standard fare knowing that even like something that I know I've always hated but I've watched
Starting point is 03:22:30 myself get accustomed to so thus it's normalized to me as well like any steps to like be like fuck that find another way to to to make your video game work anything like that is a good idea because I realized that like you cannot actually stop the normalization process otherwise you know like that idea of like the outrage that'll happen with every new game that comes out with a stupid loot box system or a horrible battle pass or some scum fucking drop rate is now it always has to go to the extremes and then get brought back down but it nothing will ever regulate the the overall normalization of that
Starting point is 03:23:15 process to bring it back to what it was and I understand that the world changes once you put you once you open Pandora's box and you realize how much profit can be made from a loot box these the it's too much it's too incentivizing the companies can't help themselves kind of like these crypto initiatives but what just what's interesting to see is whenever a given random government goes yeah no fuck that we don't care I'm under the I'm under the expectation the reason why some games are moving from loot box to battle pass is the worried that they're gonna get caught during their games lifecycle with their ass out
Starting point is 03:23:58 and the the entire business model is just gonna be made illegal in like most of Europe or something like that at the drop of the hat mm-hmm mm-hmm and you know I'm I'm the thing is is that at what point though does it become a question of like okay what's better for us let's not we can either not release in these regions or we can change the what we put out and make sure that it's more compatible if more countries are like yeah fuck it we're not gonna accept your game if you if you have this in it then they're gonna have to make that movement but if it's only a few initially then they
Starting point is 03:24:36 can probably just be like and take the hit we'd rather still yeah bulk off of FIFA whales you know every every time every time this happens in any region that's just a little piece of the pie that's gone I don't think the US whatever ban it but I mean the US too much money in back rooms exchange and hands on that but the US isn't the whole market it's a very significant part of the market obviously but yeah what I think that won't happen but what I think will happen well there will come a day sometime in the near future when someone goes like way too far with like all of the bullshit we're describing and also the target
Starting point is 03:25:24 demographic being like I don't know like fucking Peppa Pig or some shit so I was literally just thinking of Peppa Pig yeah and Peppa Pig is playing a game where you like take care of your household as a little child and then they're like did you know that your mommy and daddy are going to fucking die if you don't give me $10 and I think that ridiculous example will hit the news cycle and create a momentary a momentary what the fuck is happening in mobile games moment wait no no no no that happened that happened that was a harry potter mobile game
Starting point is 03:26:09 okay in which like Hermione would be like at the end of the day being strangled to death and it asked you for the gems to keep playing so yeah save her oh fucking sick perfect yeah just put in the quarter to stop hacker was wrong okay it was wrong choking to death yeah okay it was like don't you want to save Ron from dying excellent um yeah that like there's there's gonna be that moment of just like above and beyond anything anyone will be is willing to tolerate that will hit the new cycle I feel like Star Wars hit the new cycle a little bit but it was still
Starting point is 03:26:55 barely mainstream news kind of like a more so um um it was like it was like more so gaming news you know things like Diablo immortal are not going to hit mainstream news but like something eventually will because it'll be straight up be like hey child gamble and that'll get you know American news stations on board with that I just thought of like the most vicious microtransaction of all you're playing League of Legends wild rift on your phone and you get to the end of the match and you are poorly rated and it tells you that if you don't pay five dollars for a mute function that your phone is going to start blasting out
Starting point is 03:27:47 everything the other people on your team have been saying about you really people on your team have been saying about you right now at full phone volume we've saved them we have them we say we saved it we're going to text to speech everything they're typing in the postgame chat right now it's going to be it's going to blow your phone speakers out I can detect that you're on a train or a bus or a metro your GPS is moving yep yeah no it it's it's at the box is open there's no there's no putting it back in but the closest thing you can you can do is just shit like this every once in a while you know here's hoping you can
Starting point is 03:28:40 you can fucking stop this encroachment it's and this was specifically specifically caused by FIFA 22 I should know of course it was yeah the most the most in listen I think it's genuinely appropriate that soccer a.k.a. football a.k.a. footy is responsible for the absolute most damaging form of gambling for kids considering the sport of soccer a.k.a. football a.k.a. footy is responsible for some of the most corrupt national shit to ever exist hey you want to have the World Cup in a you know stadium built by an unironic slave labor here you go it's totally appropriate yeah I mean we there's a new word that needs to like
Starting point is 03:29:44 it's sport religion that at a certain point you can hit I mean there's a there's a there's a in psychology there's an incredibly clear phrase for it and it's just the in group versus the out group be it be it race creed color culture taste region background like whatever yeah in group versus the out group I was just listening to like like yeah someone was saying like that there was a like in Europe there's a lot of places where you ask if you some people there's always like the hardcore right you've got the the all the ultras as they're called you know and then listen I need to I need to get my chain to go to
Starting point is 03:30:40 the footy game and you've got that as well in fucking Canada absolutely haps fans to the extreme and all that but like there's a lot of people that are in the category of like okay what's the team and then they go like hey do you know any current players on the team and then and they absolutely don't but that doesn't matter because it's it's identity right and it's like it's it's what it's what the identity of the place is tied to and especially in a lot of like older like unlike you know North America where the countries are relatively new in some of these places where like individual cities have been around for hundreds and
Starting point is 03:31:19 hundreds of in some cases thousands years like you're looking at that unique identity to that specific place and all of that gets put into football matches because there isn't war between these places anymore you know so it's it's intrinsically why you shouldn't let people play for teams they were not born in every single sport should be world-based and down location based down to the nearest major city hmm that would be nuts that would be really crazy the results so no trading allowed the Olympics would be okay fucking awesome here's a question though then what happens with salary caps what do you mean like salary caps exist
Starting point is 03:32:18 so that like like the under under my system the the the organization of let's say global football ticket prices are put into a big puddle and then distributed to players evenly okay okay so you can't so the Yankees can't exist as yeah yeah I don't think anybody who that doesn't live in New York City would be sad to see the fucking Yankees go just a rag tag team a couple of knock around guys well it always it always because I remember like you know much old Montreal Toronto would have all this tribalism over their hockey teams right mm-hmm and it's like dude there's like three guys from each respective city on those fucking teams
Starting point is 03:33:17 right now like these are just the this is just the fucking team some rich dickhead bought franchise the franchise business it's fucking nonsense sports as a whole like has is is about that and that's why I mean but that like that franchise business side of things making it like a profitable thing that the whole goal of becoming a general manager is excuse me to trade in better players create value by winning the championship and then sell the team again like the goal is not to win the goal is to sell the team as high as possible just like we talk about CEOs who sell off the companies when they come in that is what makes sports as big
Starting point is 03:34:01 of a deal as they are today to begin with you know it would have been much more niche if it stayed honest now I know just about the sport now I know I come up with my example and then people go well what about new immigrants what about people who were born in such and such a location or on a plane or whatever and to those loopholes I say I don't care also shoot them all full up of drugs before every match mandatorily I want none of them to feel any pain that's the most humane way to do it right right that's humane so they don't feel anything well it's not something that doesn't understand part 8000 yeah what do you
Starting point is 03:34:50 think you're tuning in for buddy and then after the end of it all the players that can't walk to the locker room okay get wheeled into the into the into that thing they they throw cans and horses into turn them in a dog food oh so blood sport yeah blood sport okay got it took a minute to get there so I want to point out that the historical precedent of the losing team is murdered does exist yes yes there have been countries where upon landing back at home they've been executed for losing there was also a minor league baseball team in the United States in which you get to keep playing games in the minor leagues even
Starting point is 03:35:40 though you were on death row as long as the team kept doing well I was back in the 40s I think wait they would stay your date of execution yeah yeah oh yeah oh oh yeah that's the good stuff that's what mmm mmm that was the death row inmates forced to play in okay it was earlier on a hot let's see Wyoming in 1911 yeah stakes for the convicts wins they were told meant time off their sentences losses however came with consequences individual errors that cost the team the win would result in death this is the penitentiary all stores in Wyoming they played four games winning all of them because of course they did
Starting point is 03:36:58 I mean why would all of these movies about future death games have to be in the future of course this already happened in the not-so-distant past so you you may all think I'm crazy but I mean I read my history Aztecs would kill people with the sports also think about how motivated a normal baseball team would be if they were playing against death row inmates that were all convicted of heinous crimes hey hey guys if you beat that baseball team every single one of them is a rapist and a murderer and you get to see him get electrocuted on the field all right let's play ball truly truly ball is life yeah ball is
Starting point is 03:38:10 literally life okay um what I don't know anyway last bit here not that surprising but remember Niantic yeah so it's been a long time since Pokemon go um they've been trying stuff but seems like it hasn't really been panning out because Pokemon go was a big old phenomenon that right place right time right franchise I would say was about as hot as anything I have ever seen get in terms of like instantaneous explosion of interest so they just announced that they've had to cancel four projects one was a Transformers game that was going to be a Transformers AR style game they just they have an NBA one that just came
Starting point is 03:39:17 out but then there's three other projects Hamlet blue sky and snowball which all had to get dropped and they had to lay off 8% of the staff because they're they're having a really hard time re creating getting getting that Pokemon go era started again I mean it hit at the perfect time and now we're dealing with a global pandemic and a move to met for many to work from home right like it's like it's it's again a confluence of events led to it being a massive hit and that same confluence of events is now leading to it being the thing that's just not going to work anymore and also none of those are
Starting point is 03:40:03 Pokemon yes the idea to walk around and capture Pokemon as well is the biggest brand incentive to you know go out there I still remember the day that I was downtown and discovered the absolutely unsafe wrong directly in front of the Montreal Children's Hospital that was like blocking traffic and it was like three four thousand fucking people because there was a really good spot to catch stuff on the street directly in front of the Montreal Children's Hospital in in Turcot Park so eventually like the there's a this there's a spot downtown that had three on the same corner and that got more sane as they kind of like
Starting point is 03:40:52 planned for larger groups there was an area with a tent and seats kind of laid out yeah and I remember going by there a couple times and just seeing it and it was like okay like there's a there's a church nearby that had like water and like granola bars they were handing out to people and they basically like they managed to make sense of it after that initial insane first couple of days you know and and it eventually it became it became it was a cool time but yeah it also like in some cases like literally people's houses and backyards had people hopping fences and shit and you know there's a shiny elective bus in your
Starting point is 03:41:35 yard oh fuck it I know there's a dog in there but I'm gonna risk it and the ability to request the removal of a stop was not immediately available so took a while for this this whole thing to come down to where it got to but yeah it was an error now when I look at this company and I look at like what they do you're like what other franchise could even halfway approach nothing what Pokemon nothing good and nothing can it is a property that has a absolutely 1 million percent perfect synergy with the type of moving around and and acquisition gameplay and the people you're appealing to everyone who's into
Starting point is 03:42:18 Pokemon is also into the idea of like going out and finding these animals in the wild like that is linked to the brand that's a you know and then collecting the fun fake animal and all the power and all the fighting in the RPG elements that's all in there but like yeah there's no other franchise that it was is better suited so they can never recapture this magic I don't think I don't think so if they did a Digimon version you could you could get some people coming so wait so for example we got a guy in the chat saying the cemetery where their father is buried has so many Pokemon go spots it is a
Starting point is 03:42:57 mixed feeling mm-hmm yeah no there was some weird weird shit that happened here I remember there was a scandal because people were like flooding the Holocaust Museum because it had a gym at it so you had all these fucking dweebs show up to the Holocaust Museum to play their phone games like get the fuck out of here yeah so not appropriate so that I think we all found out that like it's because Ingress hot spots which Niantic made right beforehand a different map game AR map game had spots just using like data lots for travel exactly exactly so basically the first game they made was called Ingress and with that
Starting point is 03:43:44 game they figured out what intersections and hot spots were traffic points that would be ideal so then they use that same data for where they put the hotspots for Pokemon go and then of course unintentionally created a bunch of bullshit that need to fix doodle yeah yeah some of that happened and all kinds of that again you could go back to 2015 and go look at the video people recorded of just people being where they're not supposed to be and bad things as a result of that but eventually the ability to say hey can you take this hotspot down please I live here or this is my business or whatever the case is we don't
Starting point is 03:44:20 want this and they're like yeah okay fine and then they allowed them to do that all this to say that they're not making any money and it doesn't seem like anything else is going to work AR wise with these brands that are working on Pokemon hell no god so yeah massive layoffs and it's looks like the company is going to just be downsizing and try to figure out how to streamline yada yada yada I can only I see the only path forward for this as a person doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about AR tech is still really cool and is still something that can and be used in you know limited applications in
Starting point is 03:44:54 different ways they would probably need to pivot towards being like an AR support company for other projects that are not necessarily about getting people out of the house and playing on a giant map yeah also I mean we're still in a pandemic so the idea of like go to this spot where a bunch of other people may be standing like shoulder to shoulder with you right is not going to appeal meanwhile the inverse of that which is kind of like the Mario Kart at home course that I got where you can set up a Mario Kart AR game and drive the toy around your house and AR and it is great it's a lot of fun if you can
Starting point is 03:45:37 use AR to turn your house or wherever you're staying into a fun thing that you know makes isolation a little bit more fun to deal with that would be the perfect thing for the climate we're living in so now would be the time to find a way to you know do the in-house version of that Pokemon go at the right time at the right place 2015 moment I have a different idea for how they can make money have Pokemon go but it's pornography that's it that's the whole idea okay now do you have to go down go down to the outside and yeah and yeah and you whip it out the dankest feet pics around but you got to whip it out
Starting point is 03:46:31 while you're out your phone yeah you have to whip out your phone and you have to simulate rubbing the phone like that fucking monster moose may game on the Vita good okay it's good make sure make sure to keep that exact bullet point to play it back for the judge later yes no game I promise yes Pat incurred you're encouraging folks to go to various hotspots wherever they may be phone out pull your phone out yeah the phone mm-hmm you know there's a lot of hotspots in parks you know true playgrounds that's accurate yeah okay well anyway best of luck to Niantic I hope you can pivot AR one of those ideas they're free AR is
Starting point is 03:47:43 cool but you got to you got to figure that out boy let's get some letters I'm being admonished for what might be the most bizarre factual error I have ever made I just saw someone in the chat says please Pat you know there was more than one Vita game in which you had to jerk off the handheld and no I did not know but I'm not surprised it's not just monster moose may because I really thought it was I guess it's not I guess there were a bunch I I did not know that okay I know that there's Doki Doki Majo shinpan which is not a Vita game it's not it's a DS game and I know that it has that sequel where you're helping swimming guys I think it
Starting point is 03:48:44 was oh whoa vaguely brings a bell but I'm not remembering sure all right all right well perfect here I hate this bam what I've done well here we go check this out what we got one coming in from professor X if you got a letter you can send it to castle super beast email at gmail.com professor X wants to know about horniness settings dear marvelous Canadian thought leaders inspired by dueling articles over the amount of horniness and Xenoblade Chronicles SRB Peggy Saro and whatever other organizations gang up and force you to come up with a solution to control the horniness in games guns to your head piles of money
Starting point is 03:49:31 you need to to to ensure your cooperation it's got to be credible and yeah what okay you can provide options such as a simple on and off toggle for low medium-high slider for costume horniness full-on menu page with boob sliders and other individual horniness settings or whatever else you can think of they don't care what you pick but they want someone who's not there to make the decision for them best of luck finding the solution all right so right off the bat there's a problem here because all the most absolute degenerate shit gets made by people that are just squeaking under the line just like oh
Starting point is 03:50:15 yeah we can't show this we can't show that okay fuck it what can we do what kind of fucked up awful metaphor how do we work around this um I think this is fucking poet it is I'm gonna write like 3,500 love letters to my girlfriend about her farting in my mouth I think it's real simple oh yeah God who is that oh no no no Reggie was telling me about this shit it was a famous author yeah wanted it stanky was it James Joyce okay James Joyce there you go perfect yeah all right yes yeah yeah classic literature dirty as it can get filth yeah so look I think you simply you know like you can have your ESRB rating is kind of
Starting point is 03:51:05 already doing what they're describing but we can just refine it and make it a little better and make it a little more detailed so you just go yeah on off switch for for the horny right so bam you have a little sticker right on the front might be whatever you know green or little dot thing that just says yep um make and train trace it may contain traces of titty you know whatever this thing is it's got it's got the horny this game has the horny mode on and then on the back you have like an ingredients but on on any can of food you go okay contains yeah I got a list you gotta list it all of it right what is what we
Starting point is 03:51:41 got uncovered titty ass but covered bikinis yeah um okay uh adonis vein lines yeah right bare chest sweaty chest yeah um big makeouts detailed lots of tongue depicted um you know and jiggle physics generous sure yeah that's what this game I would like to see that applied to to I would like to see that apply to film and just see the absolute like fucking shit fit that Tarantino would would fucking throw down as every single one of his movies gets rated like oh f for foot freak well that's the thing is you get to put the dot on it and you put the green light and then when you flip it to the back it says feet
Starting point is 03:52:30 and then in brackets like no really though you know like it's there's feet in every movie but like for here that no you there's not feet in every movie like there are feet in every movie like this is like no really though feet right and that's that's one of the ratings so you go okay cool what that that's there you go bam just get all your tags lined up right on the back of the box you know exactly what you're getting what I want what I want is a rating system that is a percentage and it is a is a team of individuals decide what percentage of the value of the project is horny mm-hmm so if we were to look at
Starting point is 03:53:14 each on Bora mm-hmm it'd be like 85 90% right if you were to look at Xeno blade be like 20% right and it's like is this just trash with tits or yeah cool thing that happens not have it's not the rating boards job to decide that it is not the rating boards job the rating boards job is to tell you that there's nuts in this can and that it may contain traces of dolphin I think it should be up to the developer to provide that percentage and I think that it would be really funny to see devs actually in artificially inflate the percentage past what it actually is for more sales okay okay Xeno blade 3's got 90% of its value is
Starting point is 03:54:06 horny and you're looking at it doesn't look that horny but maybe it really maybe it maybe if I buy it and I look at and maybe it'll be really filthy I mean well if there's options if there's you know unlockable costumes the the bikini armor or jiggle physics that you control right you just you mentioned like in brackets like yeah option on option off you know you can you can get all fucking as detailed as you need I'm I'm surprised that hmm so Mortal Combat Netherrealm has developed a very unique proprietary system in which they use the X-rays to do really detailed supers that's right that's that system
Starting point is 03:55:01 could be co-opted by other video games that's true that would then need additional tags and it listed on the ingredients that go on the back of the box that's that's that yeah that's accurate we got one coming in from Phil who says Phil dear soda pop hustler and big goblin rustler oh oh your your name is a little further okay well I used to love short lived hustle or scam segments on the
Starting point is 03:55:50 podcast because I always wanted to write in so I thought you guys might enjoy this hustle or scam I used to work as a pizza delivery driver for my mom and pops pizza place when someone would call up and deliver we'd always tell them that it would be however long the delivery would take plus 10 minutes for example if they took 10 minutes to make the order 10 minutes to deliver we tell them to take 30 of course it was mostly reasonable it was mostly to account for traffic detours and any other problems but when I first started working I noticed I was getting tips almost every delivery I don't live in a country where
Starting point is 03:56:27 tipping is that commonplace I later realized that the person that I'd get the reason I'd get tips so often is because people thought that I was always early most of the time I was being told to keep the change but somehow they'd throw me a five or a tenor not that bad for a shitty pizza job maybe a little duplicious but they what they don't know can't hurt them so what's your verdict is that a hustle or a scam that is going to take to fix the engine yeah about eight hours yeah okay yeah yeah what do you mean Jordy how long is it going to take you I told you eight hours and you told them the right time you gotta give
Starting point is 03:57:11 it twice so that when the captain asks for it you look like a miracle worker that is a hustle that is a pure hustle absolutely applauded hustle great because it is legitimate your reasons are sound and they do exist for a purpose that makes sense which is if there is traffic you have estimated for it everything else is just bonus if someone feels nice because the perception is that you did an excellent job what's the problem as long as long as your estimate follows a simple formula like you described and you're not picking out numbers like it'll take an hour to get there and you're there in seven minutes
Starting point is 03:57:53 that's absolutely completely legitimate there is no problem yeah there's no reason to inform people the way it works yeah you're not genuine they're being genuinely generous out of fast service exactly they're happy for the result you're not fucking them over they're happy to for the the improvement over their expectations yes those actions are unclouded indeed there's there's no ambiguity on this one nobody's ever going to be mad that you got there with their pizza too early right and you're not giving them deadlines of light will it be an hour wink right no it's it's easy it's that that's absolutely also
Starting point is 03:58:44 delivering pizza sucks so like good for you Oscar says dear Pat and Wolsey their pat hair and woesley excuse me okay what all right I was watching Vinnie Caravella play through Gabriel night two and I was reminded of a famously bad puzzle in Gabriel night three to my amusement I found out that it was such an infamous puzzle that it has its own Wikipedia page I'll paste this synopsis here in mustache fucking shit yes yes the puzzle appears in Gabriel night three blood of the excuse me of the blood of the sacred blood of the damned during
Starting point is 03:59:26 which the eponymous character is required to impersonate another man detective Mosley and take his motorcycle rental to do this Gabriel must collect a variety of items he creates a mustache using masking tape a piece which he puts on a shed door then he uses a hose to spray a cat on top of a fence causing the cat to run through the shed door causing part of the cat's fur to become stuck to the tape and rip off which he then takes Gabriel must then distract Mosley by getting him to come downstairs using a piece of candy to distract him causing Mosley to bend over while he outside of his room allowing Gabriel to steal his
Starting point is 04:00:00 passport Gabriel then heads to Mosley's room to steal his gold coat and don it along with the red cap he finds in the lost and found to hide that he was not like Mosley he then uses a packet of maple syrup to attach the fur to his face creating a fake mustache using a magic marker Gabriel then adds a fake mustache to the passport to obscure the differences between their faces he then returns disguised complete and is given Mosley's motorcycle rental to sum it up you have to go through a series of convoluted steps to make a mustache to impersonate a man that doesn't even have a mustache this is famous for a reason it is the it is
Starting point is 04:00:44 the absolute most asinine of a point-and-click game logic in which there is no logic it is just know what the developer wants you to do just know I mean that is the single dumbest puzzle game puzzle I have ever heard I think ever and I don't think it's accurate to call that a puzzle like because there's no way to intuit it like this is this is stretching down the logic of like there's like I talk about that monkey island moment where you have to put the bass at hound in your pocket and yeah like what and it's like that's like that's the joke but it's also just like shut up we're gonna get stuck here too bad and
Starting point is 04:01:31 it's someone who loved that bit taking it to the extremes and I've as I've never played Gabriel night I just remember my brother got a copy of sins of the fathers and it was like an eight or no it's a 16-disc game I think it was back in the day and we never fucking installed it and now I kind of don't regret it it's not a good old days one oh boy good stuff alright that was pre-internet by the way no most importantly great fantastic but complete fucking bullshit there's a reason why those games died off well and then we're reinvented as like to not have any puzzles as telltale
Starting point is 04:02:22 conversation games because conversing is the thing you want to have fun with yes exactly yeah here alright folks that'll do it everybody have a good week stay safe out there bye you

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