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[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Happy New Year!
Also happy 250 episode!
Too Fitty!
Too Fitty!
Oh yeah!
That's a quarter thousand. That's a quarter thousand.
That's a quarter thousand.
Here's hoping that we can,
you can all enjoy another 250
of wildly, wildly varying levels of quality.
Yeah, that's, but you know, that's why you start with,
that's why you have to have the audacity
to start with the balls to put three digits, right?
Because you want to believe that you're going to go the distance.
Of course, when it gets to the fourth digit, then you're going to have a problem with the
list archiving purposes because the computer is not going to like it.
The computer just starts to jam it in there and he goes, oh, you mean episode 1000,
and now you mean episode one,
then episode two, then episode 2000,
or whatever the hell the fuck it goes.
Did you have a thing when you were growing up
about like new years where you say rabbit, rabbit?
Did you ever, did you guys do that? Does that um, okay. When I was young, I'm, I mean, let me move your
audio up a little bit so it seems like you're a little more quiet. There you go. You have
to turn, pat up. That's weird. Crank in you. Okay. Yeah. So I remember my mom had a thing
where she was like, yeah, like before the New Year starts, you say rabbit rabbit and
Like that's supposed to be
The first if you say that that's the first thing during the New Year, then that's good luck and
Someone brought that up recently and it unlocked a fucking thousand year of memories moment
Or is like, oh my god. I remember being like seven
Hearing about how you have to say rabbit, rabbit, first thing of the new year.
So there's a lot of lack of overlap
between our various upbringings.
Is this a cultural thing or religious?
So I didn't know whether it was or not,
because my mom brought it up, and I'm like, okay,
I'm learning about this in Grenada, and then someone, then I recently heard some whether it was or not because my mom brought it up and I'm like, okay, I'm learning about this in Grenada
And then someone then I recently heard some bring it up like on a podcast who was like just a American white person
And you know, probably not from great. So I don't think it's necessarily cultural
But I have no idea where it comes from but it's see but like it definitely is like, there's a few people out there who
might have heard of this. It's weird. I don't know, I don't know why it's a thing. I can't
tell where it comes from. Okay, originated in the UK coming, coming from Alice in Wonderland.
The farmer, the farmer's Almanac says that if you say rabbit rabbit on the first
day of each new month, it'll be good luck for the next 30 days.
The fucking farmer's Almanac.
Okay, I just, just quit Google.
That's apparently where it comes from.
The farmer's almanac. I
don't
My family didn't have anything new years was just like a holiday
So we had a family dinner and had some turkey was like Christmas, but not quite as good and
of
My my new home family
with my wife.
She blew some cinnamon through the doorway yesterday
for good luck.
Wait, like physically, yes, the powder in the air,
you put it in, I'm gonna read a direct quote,
we blew cinnamon through the door for prosperity,
then it last night was very important.
Humans are stupid.
We're so dumb.
What the fuck are we doing?
I don't know, man.
We just take things and just do things with them and go,
THING!
Important thing!
I'm gonna assume that this at some point had some kind of and- God!
Biter properties.
Oh, I mean-
Oh yeah, somebody in the chat mentions
Pork and Cabbage on New Year's Day.
Yeah, Paige's family also did ham and beans.
Apparently it was very important that you had had ham and beans on New Year's.
Oh man.
And all that, okay, and then there's that stuff
that goes into the category of weird grandma shit.
We fortunately didn't have any of that
because our grandma was the most out of SDAs.
You can't be superstitious in front of the Lord.
But I know that there's a lot of people that have the weird grandma shit
Where it's like like I don't know grandma will like spit in her hands and slap you with it
And that means you've got a blessing coming your way or it just seems like grandma wants to
Fuckin hit you with some spit or just you know what I mean. Yeah, just that witch shit just that like weird grandma powers that you can just conjure up good luck.
So as long as she fucking pulls a hair out
from your head and shoves it up your nose.
So I didn't have anything like that in my household.
I didn't have any traditions or any,
any like the things that we do in certain dates.
The I would only get like little whips of superstition
off of my mom at completely random times,
like it was the most obvious thing in the world
and you're like, mother, that is not the most obvious thing
in the world, what are you talking about?
Like I remember I was like six or seven,
and no I was like, it was like five,
and my mom was like bawling her eyes out.
She was having a meltdown because a bird got into the house.
Right.
And I'm like, Mom, why are you crying?
She's like a bird got in the house.
That means someone's going to die.
And I'm like, Mom, that doesn't mean someone's going to die.
I'm like a child.
I'm like, Mom, that doesn't mean someone's going to die
because a bird got in the house.
Also, dad got the bird out.
The bird flew, he opened a window, the bird flew away.
And she's like, you don't understand.
I'm like, okay.
And then like three weeks later, my great uncle died.
The one that I looked like.
Oh, I really liked her.
And she was like, it was the bird, the bird killed your uncle.elt your uncle of course and like like she's told me this story like like as a like a warning
sis and I'm like mom he was like 90 years old and he drank all the time
What do you it was not the bird?
He was just all this fuck I
I remember just I remember distinctly the time that my aunt or my cousin, rather, just we were all,
there's like a barbecue going on and my aunt just ran up to my cousin and grabbed him
and pulled him back and it was like, hey, step back over my kid.
And they're like, what?
And it's like step back over.
You stepped, you walked over the baby
and that means you're gonna stunt his growth.
So you have to, the only way to undo it.
Let's be what happened to me.
The only way to undo it is to step back over
and it's bad luck to step over the baby
because that's it.
And she was dead serious about it too.
She grabbed and she was like,
no, you undo what you just did.
And you're like, fuck this, man.
And you're like, fuck this, man.
On step over someone,
doesn't that just stepping back over them again?
It's like crossing the black cat.
If the black cat crosses your path,
you gotta fucking cross the black cat path
to cancel out the juju.
And it's just
the other thing the other thing that happened yesterday is that our new year's Eve on the 31st
me and Paige did all the laundry and we cleaned every single dish because you know you sometimes
you you might like be behind on dishes like no every dish cleaned, every single sheet washed,
like fresh pair of underwear on New Year's Day.
Yeah, for January 1st, but it's not because,
it's not because it's to get a great new start on the year,
it's because you can't wash anything on the new year,
because it'll wash away all of your good luck.
Oh my God.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh. Um.
God fucking damn it man. So tradition is very stupid.
Conversation in which I was like, can I wash my asshole in the shower?
Yeah, of course. What about the good luck though?
On me?
More than on my plates?
What about the good luck right in the crease?
I have a really sneaking suspicion.
So Paige is in the chat, hi, I honey, saying it's tradition.
And I wonder if any of these are just like your mom
didn't wanna do dishes on New Year's
Day.
So this is my problem and this is kind of what I was getting towards actually is like when
you hear about a tradition that we have and you're like, okay, why do we do this thing?
And it's like, okay, we say cheers and we click our glasses together apparently because
when two tribe leaders that didn't trust that
they weren't gonna poison each other, we're about to share drinks because we made peace.
We got a little bit of the drink and we spill our drinks together so that we drink of
the same cup and thus the poison's gonna get us both, right?
It's a trust or lack of trust thing.
In other words, you know.
Like putting your hand up and putting your hand on your heart, you can't have a gun
or a knife in your hand. No shit!
Visible.
I didn't know that.
That's wow.
That's-
Ah, so you-
I crossed my swear.
I swear.
I'm not gonna stab you.
Wow.
Look at the right.
That makes sense.
And I'm like, or you know, I was told-
I was told that by a Greek friend that, you know,
up, I mean, you break the glass and you break the plates and shit. I was told that that a Greek friend that, you know, oh, man, you break the glass,
and you break the plates and shit.
I was told that that's kind of like,
the idea is we're celebrating with this,
with this, a dinnerware,
and the time we're having is so good
that this should never be used again, you know?
Okay.
It's like, yeah, this glass that we just,
it was such a great time, fuck it,
this glass has hit its peak.
So this is what ancient Greek live-left love,
or, I guess, like nobody's watching.
But I guess the idea is like, yeah,
like this plate should never be used again.
This was super worth it for this time.
Bam, fuck it, oh, let's go, right?
And, oh, it just seems fun to say.
Yeah, yeah, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But anyway, the idea of that is like, okay, right, I follow how there was a thing,
and there was a moment in time where like someone, they know the- the king did some shit to everyone,
oh, the king did it. Maybe that'll be lucky if we do it too or whatever.
And it's-it's like, these things that like come from a place where you're like, I see how this-
we tripped into this accidentally, and now it's just for fun.
Fine.
But the shit where you're like, I'm grabbing a random spice and I'm just
shoving it somewhere or doing something with it or sprinkling it so that vampires can't come like,
what the fuck are we doing, man?
Hey, listen, listen.
Shit, shit from the pantry.
The anytime shit from the pantry is magical
It's some literally dumb wives tales. We're bored and we're coming up with which shit cuz we don't know what else the fucking do
I think my personal favorite that I've ever heard is that my mother told me
Not to walk under a ladder because it's bad
Mm-hmm, and that my dad told me, no, don't walk under a ladder,
shit falls off the ladder,
like what are you?
Like, just don't, just don't.
Literally just, it's just,
that's just OSHA, that's not superstition.
That's just good work, fucking policy.
Yeah, a million percent, man.
That, you know, like if you can just trace that tradition
back to the thing that was practical about it then absolutely, you know
God damn it all that and
So you don't have any of that in your household. No not really
And I also you know was hearing about the like then of the drink the the Salem witch
Hunts and all that that the idea of
A lot of the witchcraft could have been the fact that like the wheat went bad and people were getting essentially
I think man that has scraped your brain a little bit. It was the witch trials man. They weren't
The witch hunt. Yeah
I just I
Bad both in my mind
and I went for witch huts because it sounded cooler.
Anyway, the Salem witch trials up, like all of that.
Yeah, bad corn.
Bad corn, some fucking shrooms getting in the mix.
Makes like specifically like teenage girls, like go crazy.
Do some kind of hormonal thing.
God.
Yeah.
Anyway, so rabbit rabbit, oh wait, it's too late.
Rabbit rabbit.
Like when you were saying that,
I'm like the only guy, the only thing I could think of
that I'm like, wow, what's rabbit rabbit for my childhood?
I'm like, well my dad had a friend named Rabbit.? I'm like, well, my dad had a friend name rabbit.
And I was like, dad, is that his real name?
Like, no, of course not.
Like, well, why do you call him rabbit?
It's like, because he cheats on his white phone.
Oh my God, Jesus fuck.
And it's like, that's his nickname
and you're in your, in my dad's group of friends,
they call him rabbit, okay.
The funny part too with the whole grandma magic shit
is that like a bunch of the times,
like the people that are doing that are also like,
they super believe in like Christianity
and are like yeah, the Bible and God and all that good shit.
But grandma magic is just a little something different
than that works too.
Like it's not incompatible.
Who told me that birds kill your family
was also the same mom that was disappointed that I didn't go to church
Exactly
Despite not going to church herself. That's my favorite part
That's my favorite part the only time my mom ever went to church was to bring me to church and have me be bored
And as soon as I was like I don't like this she would not go herself because she would get bored.
Man, just admit that you think superstition is kind of cool and the world is more
interesting if that bird had a meaning when it flew in the house.
My mom just wants to get into heaven, that's it.
Okay, so like head your bets, cover all around.
Take, is it Pascal's wager. Yeah. Yeah. Um, anyways,
farmers almanac. There we go. All right. Farmer's almanac was like a very legitimate incredible
use for like like sewing crops and dealing with weather pattern and had had this shit.
And then what happened? Yeah. Where was that gradient?
When when did it fall off?
The tainting of search algorithms by AI screw up the father's Almanac.
Is it like when Playboy had to switch over to not being a titty magazine?
And it just and it and it they're like, no, we're reinventing ourselves. Did Farmas Almanac become all about the, the, the superstition and the spells?
Yeah, you don't know. Um, anyways. Almanac become all about the superstition and the spells.
Yeah, you don't know.
Anyways, yeah, so hey, there's a new year and I did a bunch of things.
We're in the future now.
We're now hitting one of those years
that was like widely used.
Jetset Radio.
What was the other one? Jetset Radio Future is Jetset Radio. What was the other one?
Jetset Radio Future is Jetset Radio present?
There's a couple of people referencing
2024 as like the jumping off point for a lot of things.
Batman Beyond. Damn.
Really? Oh my god.
I mean 13 centenels jumps all over the place.
We're like slappers, man.
Oh fuck.
Where's my slappers?
The distant future. Oh Irish reunoppers, man. Oh, fuck. Where's my slappers? Mm-hmm.
The distant future.
Oh, Irish reunification is this year.
Oh, shit.
According to Star Trek.
Okay.
Well, Star Trek also says that 2024 will be the year
that has the bell riots, which are when the disenfranchised
has the bell riots, which are when the disenfranchised poor Americans being shut into poor people cities rise up and enact dramatic social change.
Uh-huh.
Man, it really was interesting when the idea of 30 years in the future, like the world
is optimistic that we're just going to figure it all out.
So I want to be really clear about Star Trek.
Okay, so you're not a, you haven't watched most of it.
So if you watch enough, they talk about we're in the future,
and everything's great now in the Federation.
But then they also discuss that in between right now
and getting to that future, it got way, way worse.
Oh, okay, okay.
Okay.
It was like apocalyptic nuclear annihilation of Earth bad.
Oh, really?
Okay.
And coming out of that is where people
are like, probably making Utopia.
Interesting, okay.
I was kind of, yeah, I didn't know if the timeline was like,
we went from 1960s and everything just went up from there
until we hit class one civilization.
No, there was a nuclear war. There was the eugenics wars
Yeah
It was there was like all soldiers were like gene therapy freakus always being used for psycho drugs
There's always there's always the ability though to throw a word in front of the word wars in your sci-fi setting
Right clone wars though to throw a word in front of the word wars in your sci-fi setting, right?
Clone Wars, Gene Wars, just whatever the fucking your brain just has to take that and carry it
wherever it goes.
I still think the Clone Wars is the absolute most wasted opportunity ever because when
you hear the Clone Wars, I'm like, oh, what was it?
Like the clones of like some big monster man.
I was like, oh no, the Clone Wars were about our soldiers.
Clone troopers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It should be called the Robot Wars,
because they were fighting the robot.
Your brain wants to say something like secret invasion.
We're like, what?
A fucking whatever 20 or 30% of the planet Earth is all scrolls.
Which ones are human?
Which ones are not, right?
The human clones are among us.
And now, oh my God, a war broke out.
Yeah, you go to the, and it's like, no, actually,
it's just, it's one guy.
It's one Kiwi, and he got,
one Kiwi with a gun, copied and pasted over and over again.
Sometimes they didn't copy, past him good,
and that's why you get bad batches.
The bad batch, though. Yeah. Um, anyways, but uh, yeah, 2024 the
A couple a couple of things over here on on my side as far as how the week was spent so closing out 2023
with out 2023 with I went out to I went to my neighbors place and we played some board games.
Oh cool. Yeah, we had a good time. And I want to well, one point out just in case anyone
is is curious about it. But I've been largely I've talked about this game called Drop Mix,
which is a really cool harmonics card game
where you mix music cards together
and then you're using your phone or your iPad
or whatever the case, it'll like sync up with the machine
and then like you play a card game
and then you use instruments to make music
and it's all like licensed specific instrument tracks from like known songs and stuff.
So it's fun.
You can kind of just create your own mixes.
Really, really cool game.
Harmonix, I know it's not their fault,
but once again, just getting fucked over
because the publishing of it or whatever got bought by...
I don't know, look, who know?
Like Epic or EA or one of them fucks and they just
delisted the game so like it's basically in a limbo fucked state where you
can't get the app to play it at all anymore even if you have the hardware.
So if you've got a phone or an iPad with it good luck, you have it, don't
ever delete it, you can't re-download it, good luck, you have it, don't ever delete it, you can't redownload it, fuck you.
It sucks because it's such a cool game and it's now it's just like completely inaccessible
because of shitty publisher behavior. Are you gonna put it back out? Are you gonna release a new one?
Nope, we're just taking this one away from you and if you happen to already own it, it was a time-sensitive
game. It's the equivalent of a card game that's now like an MMO that started and died.
You know?
So you know what the weirdest thing about that is that people still use like, you know,
MMO is gone, you know, whatever.
It's like the big MMO is like fucking FF11 still going and it's going nowhere.
Right.
It used to be under the assumption that an MMO would last four to eight years at best. And now it's like,
well, I guess some of them is actually going to last until you die. Well, I think there's,
there's, but it can have two phases where it's like that MMO is dead, but we're still keeping the
servers online for people that want to still use it. So that would be FF 11. FF 11 is in maintenance.
Yeah. Like they did, it's still there.
And that's fine. But that's totally fine, you know.
It ultimately is best when you don't have to rely on, you know, the servers for that to happen
if there's a way to make things happen locally or line based or whatever in any game.
But regardless, it's an MMO, so I understand.
Oh, I'm being informed that FF11 has had, in fact, had new content in the past couple of years.
Wow.
Is it all, like, please go play 14?
Here's a great new sword, and when you use it, you get really cool things in 14.
Well, I think the funniest thing about that, by far far is that the answer is no
But ff 14's next raid series instead of near it's gonna be hey have you played ff 11?
You should go play ff 11 because it's gonna be
Return to vena deal. Okay. All right, so it's actually the opposite the throwback
He's like hey, did you know there was an FF11 you could play too?
That's funny.
It's free if you pay for it.
Yeah, I mean, again, I assume that just for social reasons, right?
I assume that if you go back to FF11, half of it is RPing now, right?
No.
No.
No.
It's just people chilling.
Well, they're like three of my friends that are playing FF11 right now.
And by right now, I may in fact actually mean right now.
Immediately.
Okay.
Hey, you know how MMO players are like diseased in their mind?
I didn't say it. Yeah, hey, you know how MMO players are like diseased in their mind
14 and then they run out of things to doing 14
Okay, it's like six months from now until till dawn trail so they go well
FF 11's right there. Okay. All right. See important. You're allowed to say that as an MMO player if I said that
fires See important you're allowed to say that as an MMO player if I said that fires
You know, I'll leave that to your assessment. Oh, I have the sickness
Yeah, so I also
So yeah, I got that that that shitty reminder about that game
I want a bump as well man and you found out in that context, that sucks.
We so out like originally Punch Mom
like went to try it out with some friends
a little before that.
She's like, oh, I can't really find it.
I'm like, huh, okay, whatever.
And they moved on and then looking into it,
it turns out, yeah, you just, that's it.
I brought it over to play for there.
But it's fine, we had some other stuff.
I brought over channel A, which again, I wanna to bump for anybody. That's looking for a fun
game. It's the game where you have someone plays the producer and they are listening to
you put together a bunch of cards with words on them, adjectives and nouns to create an
anime title. And you have to then pitch your anime to the producer.
It's really, really fun. It's a combined the cards to make the funniest outcome thing,
but in this case, it's also kind of about the pitch and how creative you are at like selling
the idea. And the pitch has to, of course, go with what the producer's particular
topical requests are. So they'll be like, this season we're looking for,
well, real example, this season we're looking for
high school girls and Cthulhu.
Yeah, right.
So then I was able to put together,
I think it was like cutie sailor noodle tan or noodle tan
that's good.
Yeah, and it's like, what's noodle tan up to? And it's like, I don't know, why do we call our noodle tan? Because our that's good. I like you know and it's like what's noodle Chan up to and it's like I don't know why do we call our noodle Chan because our
faces half noodles. And so on and yeah you just kind of play along with that. So it
was it was it was pretty good. Channel A is that game and then I got to learn about what was it called? Let me put it it it it was called
flame craft, which is a board game where you you shop in a little there's a little town
and there's shops and you do you in those dragons that go shopping and you help the
dragons. Okay, and you just help the dragons go shopping and you you put you place them inside the different shops and then you collect
meets and
Currencies, yeah
um, and that's pretty much it and the goal is to get a bunch to collect some fancy dragons and make the most hearts at the end
Basically, it's just it's a very cute game
It is admittedly somewhat complex on the learning curve.
So when you're first stepping into it,
there's many currencies to learn about,
many different conditions that lead to many types of states that can happen.
There's a checklist of things you can do on your turn.
A, if you choose option A, you have to go down this list,
or if you choose option B you have to go down this list or if you choose option b you go down that list and like it when we were watching on Slopstream there's
a skit that was about like this the most complicated game ever and all the friends are like what
the fuck is this why I don't understand what just happened and it kind of like it was
particularly pressy it because I had that vibe I forget what the what the skit was but it was definitely like no on one
friend is like no no no no you do this and then you grab the the the the the
tubbler that has the fucking bingo numbers in it you know and because it's
Tuesday and you said sure anti-donna yeah it was great really very funny I
love we love those guys me page of huge fans anti-donna, anti-donna. Yeah, it was great, really very funny. I love, we love those guys, me and Paige are huge fans of anti-donna.
So that was a really funny skit that kind of like was emblematic of that,
especially because right at the end where it's like, God, what the fuck was this?
Anyways, he's like, yeah, but it's screaming at each other about how awful it was.
Oh! But then, but then, uh, uh, the dude's like, yeah, but it's pretty fun once you get the rules right?
It's like, yeah, actually, it's pretty fun. Yeah, it was, it wasn't, yeah. So I was like, by the end, by the halfway point, I was like, oh yeah, no, yeah, it's pretty fun once you get the rules right? It's like yeah, actually, it's pretty fun Yeah, it was it wasn't them. Yeah, so I was like by the end by the halfway point
I was like, oh, yeah, no, I get it. This is a lot of fun
But that initial learning curve is like rule, you know, you got to be I guess and I and I definitely to I'm like
Reminded of every time I want to like any time someone's interested obviously in fighting games, right?
And it's like this is too complicated. I'm like, right, I'm hypersensitive towards
not scaring away the chipmunk.
That's parrism.
You know, that's-
You watch Parks and Rec?
Yeah, yeah.
Fucking cups and towns.
Oh, whatever the fight, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The insane game that Ben was playing, yeah.
Like, that's what fighting game look like to normal humans.
So I'm insanely like sensitive towards not overwhelming the new person in the room with stuff like that and like
You know, you have to just you have to be aware right which then leads me to so yeah, that was a fun time and got to
Have some fun games there
but another game that I played so
New years I went to go chill with
a surmy out and and boo shout outs to them. Cool folks. Please stop talking.
Did you hang out in his apartment? Yeah. Okay. I was like, he put up pictures of like
moving in, got the cat stuff. And I was like, hit with this wave of weird
anti nostalgia because it looked like he moved into my old apartment.
Okay.
It's like the wood, the Montreal attached wood.
Yeah, I know, I think I know which one you mean
because there is that vibe to it,
but it's a different zone.
But ultimately the, yeah, good hangs, you know, got to it, but it's a different, different zone. But ultimately the, yeah, good
hangs, you know, got to, got to chill for New Year's. And then we played, we played
werewolf, Lugaru. Any familiarity with that? Do you mean like you tape a bunch of dog hair
to your back and kiss or like, there's a, there's a game you play with a bunch of dog hair to your back and kiss or like.
There's a game you play with a group of people called Werewolf where you have to figure
out who the Werewolf is and who the Townspeople are.
And essentially, the short version of it is that like, I've only ever played it in
this, it's simplest form and that's what I know which is, there's a group.
And depending on how many people you are
You pick some to be where wolves and some are just townspeople and then every night everyone closes their eyes
You go to sleep and then like a DM will basically be like now the wolves open their eyes pick a victim and then the next morning
We all wake up. This sounds like you played the board game omogus. Yes, actually. Yes. It is 100% omogus in
sitting around in a room form, right?
And and that's that's my experience with it, you know, and a punch mom had never had never played before
but it's basically that deal and we were in so apparently like the crew that we were with, like, and meow and boo and everyone, they all were very used to this game,
had played it a bunch as kids,
and so they were playing with the,
I also only played it like just verbally,
like you just, the person would know and say the story,
they had like the box and all the little pieces and stuff,
and so outcomes all these extra roles and shit,
and it's like, okay, wait, hold on,
you, okay, there's villagers and there's were rolls
But someone can be the hunter and right when the hunter gets killed the hunter can shoot back before he dies
And then take someone else out with him right and it's like okay cool. You can introduce that okay
I'm like okay, and then there's the little girl and the little girl gets the peak during the night
But if the little girl gets caught in uh-oh, she's in trouble. So that might be one of the roles. Okay, and and Pudge Mom's like, okay, I guess we'll just have
to go along with it and see in these orders, the DM will take them in turn and say, all right, okay,
cool. And then there's the mystic. And the mystic during the night can choose someone's to reveal
their thing when everyone else is sleeping so that the mystic can see it psychically, know something about someone.
Okay, right, and that happens before,
the, and it's like, no, no, no,
what happens before that, there's the cupid,
and the cupid in the beginning is gonna pick two people,
and these two people are lovers,
and if one of them dies, the other one dies,
even if there's other people that may,
even if one's aware, we'll put one's a villager,
they might still have this connection
that the cupid forced upon them.
So that turn has to happen in the, okay, all right, cool.
Huh.
But then there's the witch.
And the witch can choose to stop somebody from dying
and also resurrect somebody, but only once.
And then they, and they're like,
man, what the fuck are we doing?
You know, it's, it got crazy.
Yeah.
And I used to think it was like anxiety or my own OCD or whatever, but as I've gotten
older and talked to more people, everyone hits a certain threshold of new information.
Man.
Just freezes.
It's just bad.
I don't, there's too much
that told me too many things at once I'm gonna die and this is all this is all
preemptively going in with me just playing the base level of the game and
again a punch mom who's just is not know or you know and so we're sitting there
and like like it like we're kind of just laughing because it's like all right yeah
but we roll with it that DM's gonna gonna guide us. It's fine. We'll just have to flow with it. And ultimately it is.
But like, it almost comedically, there was a point when it was like, okay, we can bring in more werewolves,
but for that, we should introduce more roles. And then someone was like, um, okay, well, there's the,
there's the fool, the town a fool. Let us wait. What? And there's like a whole bunch of other cards that were not out.
And then there's the town fool
There's the snake charmer and they're like no, no, no, not the snake charmer
That's too complicated because the snake charmer introduces a third entity from the werewolves of the townspeople that can win the game
And it completely separate and I'm like are you fucking kidding me like what?
How is there more and I think there's so much more there's a minute, and it just, it reads of like, okay,
people who have played this game
for the entirety of their lives
are so bored and aware of the normal version
that they have 18 different spices to stick into it.
You know, but onboarding, you're just like,
I, what?
What is happening?
It's one of those things.
Oh God, you games actually excel at specifically. What is happening? It's one of those things. Oh god.
You games actually excel at specifically.
So I think of a game that is very similar to this
and among us called Project Winter
that I played a little while ago with some of my friends.
And it's basically, you know, there's a...
There's a traitor, essentially, who's trying to kill everybody
and stop objectives.
But there's like 10 different roles, right?
And they all have different skills,
and they all have different things.
But the core of it is that when you load in,
and you either pick or are given your role,
it just tells you what your role can and should be doing,
and you will be working through that.
And yeah, does that mean you don't understand
what everybody else can do? That's exactly what it means. Okay. You mean you don't understand what everybody else can do?
That's exactly what it means.
You don't need to know what everybody else can do.
Your buddy can just tell you what the doctor role does
or whatever, and you can just drill down on your focus.
But when you're playing board game
and there, well, you've picked the mystic,
you can do this.
Well, you can't do that because the werewolf has four turns left, blah, blah, blah.
But in a game, it'll just go, or whatever, and stop you, and you go, I guess I can't do
that.
Yeah.
So, you know, if you boot up a game and then you're loading in eight expansion packs and
DLCs that have come out, and like they're all just stacking on top of each other, so that
the moment you press new game, it's like, okay, what the fuck is happening like I I I can't
You're not getting the normal onboarding process, you know, but again, it was just it was funny because it was fine
We played a very fun game and you know it all works out because the DM has to just guide you through it and go all right
If you happen to be the witch would you like to do this or how about that and then you just move it step by step
So that we avoid it, but there's definitely just a oh my god which would you like to do this or how about that? And then you just move it step by step
so that we avoid it.
But there's definitely just a,
oh my God, I can't believe how many,
what are we doing here, why?
And there's even more.
Information overload is the worst.
I actually had like a weird,
like somebody described it as a mind goblin dying
of old age.
Okay.
Yesterday, where I was talking about how I really love Siv,
but I've never finished one game of Siv in my life.
Oh shit, really?
I have played, I have played Siv 3, 4, 5, 6.
I have all of their expat, and I've never finished one game.
Wow.
Because I get to the mid game of Siv, and I've never finished one game. Wow. Because I get to the mid game of Civ and I start looking
at the text, tech tree and I start looking at the,
the settlements that I have and I start looking at the,
what the enemy is doing and I look back at the tech tree
and I'm trying to plan out the, the rest of the game and I,
I'm like, oh, this is this, this, this, this.
And I just, ah, and I can't do it.
And I start to panic.
And then I turn it off.
This, this, and.
Sorry, I'm doing it.
No, I'm just gonna ask, like, you like, nothing,
you're never, like, time is always passing
on your, say so, right?
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
So there's infinite time,
but it's just like you're looking at like 10 spreadsheets
very basically.
And then I was just talking with chat
and I'm like, wait a second.
I don't have to plan anything.
I just have to go to each thing
and just kinda do what I think would be the best for right now. And if I, oh,
if I didn't research the wheel earlier and I need it, oh, I'll just do it later. And
it'll go fast. And then somebody really put the nail in the coffin, which was like, yeah,
dude, the modern age of civ is about converting whatever situation you arrived in into a win.
It's just like, oh, do I have a lot of military?
Okay, well, maybe you should go for a military victory.
Do you have a lot of culture?
Oh, maybe you should try and go for the culture victory.
And I just like, oh, oh, I have to take pieces of the information out of my head and leave
them on the table.
Different wind conditions mean you can ignore the ones you didn't already go towards.
Yeah, okay.
Just try and do whatever is the best for the situation that you're like, oh, oh, because
I, so you know how I think I'm completely insane about how I think artists happen.
Sure.
Right.
Yep.
So to those of you who don't know, for the vast majority of my adult life, I thought that
everyone who drew a picture had the whole picture in their head before they started,
and that every musical composer had the whole music in their head before they started,
and so on and so forth, and that your skill as an artist of any kind was just how good
you are from getting it from the inside of your head onto a piece of paper.
Right, right. The printer line. I am. I thought that's how people played grand strategy games
too, where they had their their whole fucking master plan. Yeah. And then they were enacting
on it instead of just going, I want the archers, boop. And it's all it's all improvising.
It's like, I know what a human form looks like.
Let's make that and go, okay, maybe try this.
Oh, that didn't work, try that.
And you just, you do it enough times
that you've improvised the same thing
in a, in a, for it to look kind of competent.
You bullshit your way.
I'm gonna make a chat, asks a follow up question.
Did you think novelists also work that way?
Yeah.
That's why I've been so confused.
Why Grim can't just write the book.
He already had the whole story before he started.
So just take it out of your brain
and put it on the paper.
Now, okay, to be fair to you, writing is closer
to that insanity than other mediums are
because of the nature of text is chronological, right?
Well, yeah, I had the general gist of the story.
Yes, exactly.
This part didn't work. So I changed it. And then you detail and then you go back in and flush things
out and stuff. Exactly. You have sketches and then you detail your sketches. That's why Alan Wake is
a really bad writer because he kept improvising his pages page by page. The, the, um,
on you, Alan. Yeah, the, when you have the, um, when you have the, people have different writing skills, but when people are writing a skeleton format,
and then you just flush out the bones as you zoom in on each one,
you're creating a larger picture. That is, again, similar to the other pieces there.
But you are, anyway, you have your highlights in mind that you try to build and connect towards and so on.
Oh, someone asked a good question.
What did I think writer's block was?
Well, because of the way writer's block is,
I thought what writer's block was
is that you had the idea,
but every time you put it down on paper,
you're like, it's not right and it sucks
Like trying to make a meal and it doesn't come out the way you want and
So you trash it and try and do it again I thought it was like being physically blocked from writing the good thing
Apparently, it's not having ideas
Yeah, um, I
Mean it Yeah, um, I mean, it can in some cases, for example, like, be, if someone is writing really
good characters, they will often say things like the characters just, they say them, they
say these things on their own.
I barely had to make this conversation happen.
I just put them in the same room after these events occurred and the dialogue that happens
is like, well, this is, of course, what he would say and vice versa, right?
I'm reminded of, you know, when Weiss and Hickman were talking about their, their, you
know, their D&D campaign conversations.
It just plays out because, of course, this is the way these two characters would talk to
each other.
That's a really good sign for your characters and being fleshed out enough to, to be these
like entities that can write themselves almost
But sometimes that'll also lead to something where you're like, I this is the conversation
This is what plays out, but this is not what I'm actually
Like this doesn't work with where I want things to go. So I like you're like, oh, I have a problem here
And you have a lot or a larger structural issue with like, you know, different aspects of your story, not being compatible with each other.
So this whole conversation came out. I feel so bad for my wife because she had to have the real
version of this conversation with me where so Paige is a musician and a singer. She knows music stuff.
So I was watching a clip of Bradley Cooper doing his composer thing from his new movie,
The Composer.
And I was like, hey, honey, she's like, yeah, why do they need a composer?
And she's like, well, you get lost in the music and you need somebody to bring you back.
It's like a human metronome.
And oh, my store, that's the name of the movie.
And I'm like, why doesn't every musician
just play the piece correctly every time?
And then she gave me that look,
which is the look in which she realizes
she's being sucked into one of my nightmare conversations.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
It is, and what we come to realize over time,
that the problem is actually not the specific question you ask.
The problem is with your concept of how the brain
gets anything out of its idea into reality, right?
Your concept of converting thought into reality
and using hand or word to do it is completely fucked up.
So that any, any media discussion,
the end of that discussion was the fact that apparently,
I have wildly overestimated the level of skill
of every person who knows anything that I don't know
because I assumed that if they were good at it,
they could do it as good as they always wanted to
every single time without fail because that would mean to were good at it, they could do it as good as they always wanted to every single time without fail
because that would mean to be good at it
is they just do it right every time.
Yes, you plug the USB cable out from your head into reality
and then make it happen.
And there it is, what's the problem?
You just think of it, though.
Yeah.
God damn it.
Oh my God.
Like, I'm now realizing, oh, aren't it? Oh, oh.
So, so I thought all this styles existed entirely in their head.
Okay, so I have to ask then, like, have you ever had to confront edge cases to this insanity?
For example, the concept of a jam band who don't know what they're gonna play,
but they know their instruments and the general chords
and music well enough to improvise
while feeling what the other person's setting up.
I'm not parsley and counter to Janban.
I'm familiar of its existence.
I'm just figured they were winging it.
Because a whole bunch of people back in the day
could sit there and one guy goes,
da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da
and then other people can go, well, I knew that day. da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da A, and you realize A doesn't go with B, but it doesn't go with C or D, you go with something like C or D.
Right, and so none of that could have been predetermined
completely in advance in order to...
Yeah, it could have, they would have just written it down.
Right, but the whole thing of the improvised thing
is that they didn't write it down, right?
Well, yeah, no, but I feel this is tomatoes, tomatoes, it's like, well, they could have written it down, but they didn't, they preferred to not write it down, right? Well, yeah, no, but I feel this is Tomatoes, Tomatoes.
It's like, well, they could have written it down,
but they didn't.
They preferred to not write it down.
They preferred to do it on the spot.
It's more that like improvising
and to create the thing is a pretty good example
of like how a lot of other artworks where you're kind of like,
there's some winging it and it can't be perfect and ready to copy, you know
There's there's a whole lot of in the moment feeling it out that that goes into it and that with music in particular
That's what that looks like, you know
Anyway, oh somebody asked a more tangent example then why does any FGC player ever mess up any combo ever because they suck
If they were good they would never drop the combo ever.
That's why we don't hear about the bad musicians.
If they're a bad player, the combo should go every time.
The bad ass.
Just like there's no excuse for basketball players
to miss three throws.
If they're job, put the basket in the ball and the basket.
You hear that shack, you're garbage.
Oh, man. Yeah, that're garbage. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and was beating everybody by like 25 fucking strokes because he just played every single fucking course perfectly.
God.
And people like me went, yes, he looked,
yeah, you just do it good every single time
for courses in a row, done.
See, the funny thing about a lot of this though
is that like, I mean, you know,
it does actually lead into the whole like
wooly filtering life through fighting game stuff,
because it's like, when you actually learn
to do something like,
adeptly where you learn about the nitty gritty details,
you can see that in so many other things, right?
If there's ever anything in life at any point in time
that you ever decide,
I'm gonna really focus on getting really good at this thing.
Anything ever. You will start to see the smallest little details that make a huge difference, but they'll be impossible to notice from the ground level.
You'll only notice it once you're like way up here looking at like, ooh, an inch to the left or an inch to the right.
And like the amount of shit running through a Tiger Woods head when he's like swinging, right?
The correcting for wind, the type of, you know,
the iron, every little thing, the amount of times
he's playing it, yadda yadda, you can't fathom the list.
The checklist of things going off in his brain is madness, right?
Or I'll even take it a step further.
Alex Huddled, who did the free solo climbing,
the student that climbs crazy shit. And it a step further. Alitanol, who did the free solo climbing, the dude that climbs crazy shit.
Oh yeah, that's crazy fucking.
Right?
And has no fear receptor in his brain.
So he's just like, I don't know,
I just climb it and do it right, you know?
But like the amount of checklist you go down
are it's so granular to the point where
you couldn't possibly from the outside
understand or be aware of that.
But once you know that something can get this granular,
you can look at other people that are masters
of other things and go, oh my god, I get it.
You're that insane because you were able to go down
to an atomic level and make corrections at an atomic level
to make sure that every time you swing,
you're gonna fucking hit it perfectly, you know?
So this, this actually, this whole conversation,
the one that I had with Paige, the precursor to this one,
actually ended in like a really happy place for me,
because like, I have this tendency
that whenever anybody tells me I'm good at something,
I go, ah, I'm okay, right?
And the reason for that is because like,
well, I'm not good at it,
because I don't do it perfectly every single time.
If I was good at it, I would do it perfectly every single time.
So, I saw somebody go, hey, Pat, how come you miss TBN sometimes when you're playing Dark Knight?
Like, oh, cuz I'm not good at playing the game.
Cuz if I was good at it, I would hit every single time.
But if everybody else is actually not able to perfectly do everything like I thought good at it, I would hit every single time. But if everybody else is actually not able
to perfectly do everything like I thought they all were,
then I guess that's fine.
It is.
But what might be something fun to learn about yourself
is if you were to take a printout
of your mental faculties when you in particular,
well, too bad, when you in particular are playing a character action game for the first time,
or even better yet for the 10th time, the amount of things you're doing and the amount of skill you
have at linking one ability perfectly timed into the next flawlessly to
launch, defend whatever is about to come from off screen because you heard the audio queue,
switch back to the style to finish off this enemy and then get ready for the next one.
All of that is such a high level of function going off and it feels instinctual because
you've just done it enough times to know that oh yeah, whenever I hear that noise got
to watch out for that. But it would totally fit into this category of like,
oh, like the moment you hit this enemy,
you got to do a quick check for how much meter do I have.
Should I start holding for this?
And all those things are this exact discussion, you know?
You have a checklist that you're running down
that you may or may not be aware of,
but you do really well.
Yeah, it's telling a mental stack. Yeah, and that's a particular down that you may or may not be aware of, but you do really well. Yeah, it's telling a mental stack.
Yeah, and that's a particular thing
that you do really well at.
So you have that viewpoint at a particular place
that might be comparable to the...
Oh, the other part of this problem.
So here's this example is so perfect
because I've beaten DMD on all of them.
So like I've on the harder difficulties.
But I haven't like S ranked DMD on all of Devil May Cry.
So I would view myself as an okay Devil May Cry player.
And I would view Schmup-God Pat.
Right.
As a good devil-made cry player.
And everyone below us is below average.
Yeah.
In my idea, well, if I can reach this
and I'm just some dude,
then that means everyone less skilled than me is bad.
And I'm average.
And this is the problem of reaching the mountaintop. This is like what,
I mean, like it's literally what fucking vagabond is about, et cetera. But it's just like,
like, yeah, anytime. So you say that. And I took it a step further. When I learned about, um,
uh, fucking fly canceling and guard canceling in shit in shit and the inertia in DMC4 discussion broke my head open
to another layer of it where it's like,
oh, you're not even actually playing the game
until you start doing this,
it's another way to look at it.
Like if you're just using the ROM mechanics
and you're not doing it at this point to this level,
are you even really playing?
Are you even being stylish?
Because it could get so much harder,
but so much more stylish.
Right, you know.
So I'm looking back,
I might have been able to be like an artist
or a musician or something,
but like I would like try,
like you know when they gave us recorders
in elementary school,
did they do that for you?
Absolutely, we had to play,
Oh, Claire did I loon.
Okay, so I sucked at it.
And then like the two guys next to me were like pretty good. So I was like, I am a terrible musician. And then I put it down and I never at it and then like the two guys next to me were like pretty good So I was like I am a terrible musician and then I put it down and I never touched it again
Yeah
Marising myself. Yeah, this is terrible. I am now telling the story realizing that they probably practice that before getting to the great
six and and or someone went damn
I suck and then
they picked it back up and went
tt tt tt tt tt tt and then like
and then they went damn I suck and then they just you just keep doing it.
But if you can't be the best in the world at something why even get out of
damn it's why I love it's it's it's it's
God right failing means you shouldn't have tried yes
100% but also it's why I always talk about kicking the tree right the Rockley analogy
That is like hey man someone who actually is talented where in real life now
We kind of know that that in many cases is your parent decided to sacrifice your cut your own happiness to make sure that you were the best.
Shout out to Tiger Woods, shout out to Michael Jackson,
shout out to the Venus and Serena Williams.
Just the amount of, you don't see what happens
behind the scenes to create that entity.
But the idea of being like, I'm actually not very good
at this at all, but I'm gonna just do the one thing until I know how to do that one thing right.
And then I'll be really good at it because damn it, I'm, I, I, I, it's, but even in your
own example, Rockley isn't the best at anything.
Right.
Well, that's the, he, he, he gets really good at being the Tajitsu guy, you know, and,
and, and like, that's a pathway you can take.
And then, you know, his teacher can also fucking follow that path, et cetera, you know, and like that's a pathway you can take and then, you know, his teacher can also
fucking follow that path, etc. You know, but he is like the idea is that you can get really,
really strong and one thing if you decide to make that your discipline, even if you have no talent
for it. Um, where the fuck were we even going? I don't know, but anyway, we played some games, but yeah, anyways, that was a good time.
So, you know, shoutouts to Cermiao and Boo and happy, happy, happy fun times there.
Sorry for that insanely sideways tangent.
It was, no, it was an interesting discussion.
That's all there.
sideways tangent. It was, no, it was an interesting discussion.
That's all there.
A couple other things.
Yeah, I was really feeling really tense.
Had a new day, a new day, a new year massage,
just to fucking work out some of the things.
You need one of those and thank God
you can make those actually like tax deductible because guess what sitting in an office chair and or sitting down a lot is something that should be covered so that makes sense
and
Yeah, okay, there's there's an interesting video I watched that I want to I want to bring up
An interesting video I watched that I want to bring up that I think is worth checking out but I have caveats with it too.
There's a channel called Not Just Bikes and it's about urban planning and I might have
mentioned it in the past before because it's basically someone that lived in London, Ontario
moved to Amsterdam and kind of went holy shit.
There's a lot better way to do this than to just kind of be surrounded by like car, highway,
and like to be, like having a school bus that take your kids across a highway to school
and like having them be in a suburb that was just like an endless maze where the kids can't figure out
how to navigate through it and they don't have a sense of how to move around and stuff
was really interesting, right? I just clicked on not just Bikes' first recommended video and clicked on a random spot in the
video and I'm looking at that shit hole metro underpass.
So that's why I'm getting old off it.
So that's why I'm getting to this, that's why I'm bringing it up, right?
So the channel in general is, yeah, it basically talks about how you can do better urban planning.
And one of the things that first caught my attention with it was the discussion about
how when you're in a suburb that is like very like in a, it's like where it's like everything
is just like a grid and there's no real sidewalks and stuff.
If you're a kid growing up in that environment, it actually kind of kills your ability
to navigate and move around and map things in real life because you never really have
to use that skill and like you just end up being someone who's used to traveling by getting
in a car driving to school or getting in a bus drive traveling to school.
And you're just warping.
Left right right left.
You're warping to a location to location to the mall nearby, but everything on foot
is just not really something you can navigate.
Yeah, your star fielding.
If you were in a place where you could walk past a couple of mom in pop shops and maybe
a gas station here and you could recognize things, you could eventually navigate your way
to the little corner store and then back home and then you get a better sense of your environment.
So that has a detrimental effect on kids and stuff.
And so it was interesting to kind of learn about that stuff.
In that, then now Montreal has always been talked about
as like one of the most unique cities in North America.
And that it is, because it's the most European.
Definitely, yeah.
In design.
And so like there was recently a big video going into like,
all right, I went to Montreal and here's my assessment of it.
And it's quite an interesting video because like the, I feel that like he gives it a very
fair shake in that he's like, here's all the things that it does that are amazing compared
to the rest of the continent, right?
There's a lot of shit about Montreal that's really, really cool and unique that's not done anywhere else here.
Because of the initial, we're gonna try to specifically make ourselves a European vibe from the outset.
So that led to some better pedestrian spaces and walkways and stuff compared to the strobes of...
Hell yeah, one of these is just fuck Namor station!
But then it's like and he's like and if this were any
other urban planning video it would be like all right
and this is where I'd roll the credits.
But let's get it but like if they're gone
let's get into the real shit and it's like the thing
about Montreal and the problems are that you have
some of the best planned like pedestrian walkways
and walking spaces in urbanization.
Immediately to the left of that,
some really, really bad ones.
And then it shows off like...
Like some of the worst things you could ever have
for walking around.
And yeah, and the idea of the highway right next
to the fucking Metro, that is the infamous one,
or the idea of, so I was gonna go meet up
with one of my friends when I was here
And he said hey, let's go meet at orange julep and it's like what does that mean that means you're going to not murder
What does that mean? Oh God you get out at number and you have to cross a super fuck it was described as a a
Death Star trench to get across the to the fucking orange juice
You know
And it's yeah, so it's a, yeah, so it's a fun video
that I think gives it a fair shake.
And I think if you're interested
in kind of learning about what the situation is like here,
it does a decent job of it.
It also, here's the thing, drastic change block to block.
But something that I need to preface this with
is keep in mind though that like the he's also
as someone that is in the space of like I guess like other the other urbanist YouTubers and like he's
talking about things from the point of view of like here's Amsterdam and how amazing they are with
their bikes and their implementation of safety and all these things right right? That is like a million miles ahead
of the way a lot of North America does it.
And so like from that perspective,
you're looking at it and you're going,
all right, Montreal, it feels like you're getting a grading
that is like Montreal is Amsterdam minus 25, right?
It feels like a city that was like if it were a puzzle, it was made out of 10 different
puzzles thrown onto the ground of various different ages because like you'll have this perfect
pristine corner piece next to like a chewed up fucked up one that's like the wrong color.
And it's all in the same place, right?
And there's an interesting thing that Gahee goes into on that.
But what's, if you're like us living in North America,
it's also something where it's like, yeah,
Montreal is also like Ottawa plus 200, right?
Or I don't know, Spokane, or fucking Ron Concoma plus 80 or whatever that you know what I mean
But like it's a it's a comp like for the setting that is North America
This is exceptional in in the good things. It has for urban planning and and and pedestrian space and stuff
But by comparison to fucking Europe and Scandinavia
It's definitely doing wildbatch it in sane things, you know, too.
I have to say, I have to ask whether I'm scrolling through these,
I don't see it, is the driver,
is the Montreal insane driver
a part of this urban planning discussion?
Not so much because the way that this channel describes things is
basically cars bad under all circumstances, right? Okay, but there's some
cars are more equal than others. And so that's the thing is where I'm like, I
think that having more emphasized safety and having more walkways and having a
design that's based on that more than highways
and stroads as they're called.
Just is absolutely better and makes more sense.
But I do think that like the idea of being like there should never be access for a car
is too extreme.
I think you can live in a world where there is some, but it should obviously be more incentivized
for you to get there via the other means.
Right.
In a fantasy realm in which when you wanna go across
two or three countries, you can hop on your bicycle.
Like that.
Right.
Oh, I'm gonna go to France for lunch.
Okay.
So that's where I say, I think this video is pretty
interesting to check out if you're curious about Montreal.
But I think it's also something that is like a little bit
just too draconian at times about this point of view where it's like
The concept of like the concept of having parking at one point
It's kind of like dismissed as like why is there even any parking there shouldn't be any and it's like do you real like it living here
It's so insane if you just try to street park regardless and things could be definitely planned in a better way around that where
You you're not in the situation what you have to be in town parking
But the fact that we are means that having parking structures inside is the only way for it to be even slightly viable that the vehicle is in town
You know, I don't understand, you know
We'll go into town
In Vancouver and we'll find like, hey, we need parking
and there's like massive, massive super structures
for parking that go like 24's underground.
And we've never had like a, like we've never had a,
like a problem finding parking.
Like you do it for like 10 minutes or 15 minutes, right?
And we've been to Victoria as well.
And just like, oh, where are others?
And you find a parking place and you go
and you park your fucking car.
In Montreal, every single time I was ever in a car
in the downtown area, it was like a fucking
stressful anxiety experience.
Right, fuck, right?
Where are we going to park?
Driving is awful.
Is life a place?
Are those tiny little fucking shit lots
that block your car in?
And so as a result, there is the like decisions
that are made to try and alleviate that,
but that goes counter to the types of points
that you're trying to make here, right?
And there's other things too that are just born of like,
okay, now that I've been,
you're talking about a place that I know inside out
back in my hand, I've lived here my whole life.
And the perspective of like, yeah, and for example,
check out these like usage of roadways
where restaurants have outdoor seating
and it's pretty much just like a positive like,
oh yeah, and so they're using this parking space and you can have outdoor seating for the restaurants and shit not knowing the history of
That fuck who implemented that to fuck over downtown and not only cut into car drive space
But cut into walk space on the sidewalks and how that entire practice was horrible
Horrible for the city but from the outside perspective. You're like, oh It's more the western space. It's pretty therefore there should be more of that la la la la la
And it's like no you don't you don't know you don't know it's oh no right
So that is the part where I'm like I give a humongous caveat as as I recommend this
That bar on the corner next to fucking super little like the
That bar on the corner next to fucking super noodles like the
Station through the waiter's path
And they know and they give no fucks. They're just be lining it back and forth You're fighting people as you're going
Yeah, it's a bar that has a bar that goes to the sidewalk and then there's the sidewalk and then on the street, not on the
sidewalk at all is like tables and chairs and shit.
So as you're walking from like the most like when you're walking from a college to the
downtown, so it's one of the most commonly walked stretches of sidewalk in the old city,
you're walking right through a bunch of waiters going back and forth and people going into the restaurant to go to the
bathroom. The TLDR is that an infamous real estate fuck from the city basically
realized that if he put seating for his restaurants out on the parking space
in front of the restaurant and just paid for the parking 24 session.
It paid the parking fine every single day. It would be cheaper than actually trying to officially extend the restaurant in any way
and the city will just take the money for the parking and the people that sit there
and pay to eat while they're there cover the cost of that parking so it's all profit.
Easy.
Like one morning breakfast person probably covers most of the parking ticket.
And that property of the parking space extends halfway onto the sidewalk where the pedestrians are walking
It's insanity
but again to
Person from the outside walking in and just going like wow pedestrian good car bad
That's it. There's no other you know, so it's that, I just wanna make sure that if you're watching this
and you live in North America, just be aware
that this is the perspective you're kind of getting.
But I still think it's worth checking out
because it gives you a pretty good perspective
on what it's like to live here.
And it shows you a lot of the good and a lot of the bad.
And it also shows you something that I didn't really,
I never really thought about that much,
but part of the reason why things are so bipolar and crazy
when you go around town in some places are incredible
and some places are awful is because,
you know how they Toronto's called the six
because it's the six GTA areas or whatever, right?
Like much more.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Yeah, exactly, yeah. You have to.
Those of you listening to the audio version of this podcast, I made a jerk off
and a jack-a-lation motion with my hand.
Yes. So the channel is not just bikes.
And in this video about Montreal, they point out that it's like Montreal is made
up of 19 different cities, actually. Little boroughs that are all their individual
locations that control their own thing. And no, it's one city though, but it's one city, but it's not one
But it's not one city
Yeah, I was like them all tell that we're so fucking mad tell that to the fucking plow that refuses to go over here
Tell that to Westmount who will who will put up fucking soldiers and keep you out on Halloween night.
You know, like get the fuck out of here.
So it's at Montreal, it's split up into 19 different cities essentially,
and each one has different ways of governing itself.
So some are way more like pedestrian thinking and way more about setting up a
promenade so that people can walk and have a cool, you know,
experience while living in walkable spaces, yadda, and some are
just like fuck all this. We are doing shit. We want our highway
roundabouts. And so it extends to all sorts of things. Like
you're in Notre Dame de Grasse and you're like, oh, we want to
have a promenade for the all the restaurants and we're going
to pay local artists to put up gigantic 30 foot murals on any space of
Moral fest that you can and then you you walk a little further in a west mountain
Then they tell you to get the fuck out, and then you go south to point say yeah
If you're not here for a condo get the fuck out of here will kill you like like some of the nicest
Murals set up in amazing restaurants and fun just walking
there's a theater there's great eats joe beef that famous restaurant you know was is right down
there and you just walk across the water and you're in point saying fucking Charles and and and
and you know a lady approaches us and asks us if we're looking for a good time and then shrinks back into the fucking darkness from when she came back into the shadows.
It took a while.
It was a long, it was a long, de-loaded process.
You know, I once had to go like the sleep apnea place that I went to close down so I had to go to one in Westmount.
And so I'm standing in front of that like high school that like you know that idyllic high school that goes down
Sure book mm-hmm with all the greenery and beauty and I'm like waiting for my appointment out near the bus stop
And I'm looking around and like I feel like I'm in the fucking steppered wives right not supposed to be here like I'm trash
Yeah, yeah, and so but that's what it is right
Montreal was made up of all these different areas and they're all running themselves So if you're in an area that's what it is, right? Montreal is made up of all these different areas and they're all running themselves.
So if you're in an area that's run nicely,
you're gonna have a more pleasant time.
And if you're in an area that's not, it's gonna be batshit.
So yeah, just check that out and get a vibe for it.
And the places that I obviously try to stick to
and the shit that I care about is the areas where
you do have
it being really nice to walk around and you can enjoy the small shops, pedestrian life
and the ability to just vibe with the city and have fun festivals and all that shit.
That's the shit I care about, so I always want to be around that.
But when you get out to fucking just like, again,
it's like, it's not even off Island.
It's just describing as you leave the center
and you start heading more east or toward it.
It just like, it just becomes, it just becomes like,
like, yeah, death star trench.
It becomes a giant death star trench.
And then you split it across a couple of suburbs
and call it a day.
Anyway, so that's a fun video,
the relevant to where we come from.
I watched a movie called Godzilla minus one.
Oh, hey!
Did you?
No. Okay. I watched movies way out. I have a baby. Yep. Fair. So I watch movies in
tiny chunks if at all right now. Yeah
Okay
Godzilla minus one is fucking excellent.
It's a new Japan Godzilla movie,
not the Western style.
I don't know where I'll end up.
So we're doing it, we're doing it the old way,
we're doing fatty boombadi legs and thin head up the top.
We're doing Christmas tree, Godzilla proportions.
Very, very good. If I can, I, as someone who has only consumed
some Godzilla media here and there, but like, you know, like no massive connoisseur, I can say that
this is one of the most compelling and like fucking just emotional rides with the human side of the story.
That's not what I thought you were going to say.
It's a very human story and Godzilla happens to be there.
Oh cool.
Okay, so I'm going to spoil the first like three minutes of the movie.
I so I before we continue,
does this have anything to do with Shin Godzilla?
No.
Okay, that makes a lot of more sense to me.
I know is nowhere near this.
It's not connected to that in any way.
When I saw Godzilla minus one,
I thought that meant that this was a prequel
to Shin Godzilla.
That's what you would think because of the naming,
but it turns out that's not the reason for the name.
I'll tell you the reason for the name in a second.
Okay.
The intro to the movie is a plane.
Okay, first of all, the setting is Japan, 1945.
Oh, 45.
Yeah. okay. The movie starts with a plane landing at a base going in for repairs as the
Japanese war pilot gets out and they're like all right yeah something's wrong we'll go check it out
and they're like huh we checked out your plane seems like nothing's wrong with it'll go check it out and they're like, huh, we checked out your plane
Seems like nothing's wrong with it. What's up with that? Then the dude's like
Yeah, and they're like
So you're not gonna go do your mission, huh?
You're not gonna go do the kamikaze thing you're supposed to do and he's like
to do and he's like, uh, yeah, and everyone's like, okay. And then what a dude comes around and goes like, yeah, it's the end of the war. Go die honorably for nothing. I get it
fair enough, but also what the fuck, you know? And your main character right off the bat is just that, right, embodied.
And then, yeah, and you kind of, you know, continue down this road of like a
Kamikaze pilot who ran away from doing that. And I was like, oh, this is where we're going.
And I'm like, immediately I'm like sitting up because I'm like, I didn't know
anything. I didn't watch any trailers going. And I just like immediately, I'm like sitting up because I'm like, I didn't know anything. I didn't watch any trailers going
and I just went in completely cold hearing
that it was very good.
And when you see that, I go, okay, okay, okay,
I have a lot rolling through.
Japan is very touchy about acknowledging
and talking about its world warship.
And how much of that are we going to see here?
How much are we gonna actually acknowledge and peel open?
What's going to be kept back safe? Like, it's a movie.
But what do you actually get, you know what I mean? Like, there's a whole lot here.
That I'm curious to see what they're going to expose.
And so, you know, going into it, and then, you know, that character kind of following through his life and then that character
kind of following through his life
and then Godzilla's happening in the background,
it fucking really goes into just,
I was very concerned, especially
for the first half I'd say about depicting Japan post war
in a way where it's like, there, like things are more fucked
they can have than they can ever be.
It's a beyond insane state.
And like, are we going to, like,
do any kind of attempt to, like,
vary that over, not acknowledge how insane the Emperor
and like the Imperial Army was at the time
and any of that shit. And there's a
thing here where it's like there is a hesitation to directly get into some of that because it's just
not gonna happen. But there's also a very willing amount of like man, fuck the government though. That is not based that, and fuck the idea that like,
um, we're gonna show you how the system in place here
kind of created a person who was being, was hated
and treated like shit for kind of just not wanting to die.
And he was given orders to die and everyone's
societally expected him to die and his duty was to go and die.
And it's kind of like looking at it in that lens, right? to die and everyone societally expected him to die and his duty was to go and die and
it's kind of like looking at it in that lens, right?
I want to ask a question, but I'm worried I'll get an answer.
Because there's a thing I was going to, yeah, okay, go ahead.
Is America in this movie?
No.
Okay, because I just thought of the worst ending
to this movie conceivable.
So I'm glad that we're not going with that.
Okay, so America is not in this movie.
America is brought up in terms of like,
the in the post war situation, they are like,
they're basically like charting,
and then there's literally a like a Douglas MacArthur
like has words to say about the creature moment, you know?
But for the most part, they're like,
they're already in their tense beginnings of Russian tension
and things are kind of focused in that.
So Japan is kind of on its own to some degree.
And they've been demilitarized and they've been, you know,
and so on, so they don't have the capabilities
to do a bunch of shit.
But anyway, there's a lot of it where it's like,
essentially, it's like, how does the average,
or how does a citizen of this period feel
in a fucked blitz burnt down Tokyo in like like pulling up
in the rubble and all that.
And like, you know, and they and like the fact that they there's points where they legitimately
call to the idea of like, yeah, maybe we treated life a little too cheaply, you know, maybe
logistics and such, such killing off almost half
of the forces.
Then of course the idea of the suicide bombers and the kamikazis and all that shit was
insane.
And there's a point that it kind of is like how are we going to deal with this Godzilla
that's attacking us when we're here with like stomping on the rubble essentially.
And it's like the citizens kind of like get together
to do it their own because fuck the government.
We can't really rely on them to help us in this regard.
And it's, again, it's pretty brutal, right?
How these events all play out.
What I wanted to see, and I'm like,
I don't know if they're if I'd be so blown away
if a movie would ever do this,
that is paid for by giant studios and such.
But you're showing us the ramifications of the war
and the devastating effect it had on the Japanese people
from the government and from, of course, the bombs and from everything that ravaged
Tokyo and then the fact that there was no ground invasion but there was still the leveling of the city.
Are they going to show the effect that the Japanese Imperial Army had on other countries,
on everywhere, on what that looked like and spend. And we're not.
And we're not. And so I'm like, if we're going to take a saccharin tone here with like the
the victims internally, it would have been really nice to also not pretend that everything they did outside of those borders wasn't also horrendous and to acknowledge it in
some way, shape or form.
The responsibility of making a feature film pointing to a country's bad deeds dwelled
nearly exclusively in countries
that aren't the country mentioned.
I think the United States, to their credit,
is one of the only countries that regularly
puts out fucking movies that goes,
wow, we really fucked that up.
Right, right.
You've got, and you still got the Hurrah movies,
but you've got the, oh my my god the trauma movies as well.
And those are, I'm talking about this, yeah with the, with Punchwell actually, it's like there's a clear like the system
Fuck this over as individuals and I think like yeah in Japan is there's gonna be just an infinite more a much stronger
hesitance to get into that when you're criticizing,
you know, the harmony as it were.
But the fact that it's a Godzilla movie that's gonna touch on any of this is like, definitely
it's like, oh, this is not at all the venue I thought.
I'd be hearing about this in, right?
I did, like, despite the fact that it's like it's Godzilla is you know originally like the reminder of World War II and the bombs and everything about
the the the the origin of the character you know always hark is back to that so
this is kind of going full circle in a way but I'm like in terms of how
honest of a look we're gonna take it this time um I guess it's like I had to I
looked at it and I was like are we gonna get real and it's like, I had to, I looked at it and I was like, are we gonna get real?
And it's like, we're gonna get real. But we're also only gonna get real about the stuff
that we can comfortably get real about. No. Well, speaking of getting real does like,
like who's, who's the antagonist in this movie? Like, is it Gidora, or is it like Mothra, or like Desitoia, or...
Like, who's Godzilla fighting?
Yeah, the antagonist is Godzilla.
And Godzilla himself is the problem.
Are you telling me we are two Godzilla movies back to back
in which Godzilla is the villain?
And he doesn't punch a big dragon. That's correct. And like... Zilla movies back to back in which Godzilla is the villain.
It doesn't punch a big dragon. That's correct.
And like.
Why don't get it.
And the post war survivors are essentially
that the civilians are the heroes trying to figure it out.
And like the, I mean more like more than,
imagine stopping on like, you know, stopping on Mothra or like stopping on Gadora and all that
Imagine if instead of that Godzilla is stopping on what little to zero pride is left?
Of the nation in his god's own this time on the indomitable human spirit
The embers of the flame that are in the rubble. Godzilla is stopping on an already
destroyed Tokyo where there's nothing left, right? And so the whole point and the reason
why the movie is called is called minus one is because at the end of the war, Japan was
at its lowest point. It was at zero. And Godzilla then showed up and brought them to minus one.
They, like, just when you couldn't get any lower than zero, it's, like, it's insanely devastating
for them to have to deal with this now at this point.
Is the deal, and that's, that's kind of the perspective.
They wanted to be dramatic, they should call it the Godzilla minus two.
No, it'll be the sequel when there's two Godzilla's.
So there are these moments where characters that are
part of the protagonist team are also the same people
that say an echo these fucked up war sentiments at the time.
The idea of like doing your duty
and going off to die is the right thing,
is wild for someone on the extensible protagonist side
to say, you know.
Yeah, well, protagonistism is a matter of perspective. It is, but also there is the energy and the vibes at the time, right?
The ra ra, the fucking, you know, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, all of that is like, hey Grandpa, Shinchy, what were the vibes like during the Second World War?
Yeah, that, you know, the level of like,
like, you know, I mean, fucking brainwashing,
it got to a point where people were,
it was really insane and so they kind of have these moments
of like, okay, that's there and then we're going to try to find something human
inside of you that is also admirable. And then by the way, like, we can, again, we don't have to,
it doesn't have to always be a fight to the death. We don't, it's not about dying, dying for your
honor. It's not about dying to say face necessarily. So I'm just thinking about this. And I'm like part of the early story
or the characters like internal struggle is about
not being a kamikaze pilot, right?
Was part of that narrative being like,
we understand that you don't want to be a kamikaze pilot.
So take all of these methanphetamines.
So do you get super high and fly your plane?
Because that's one of those little, I don't want to
school details that has been kind of left by the wayside.
Is the kamikaze pilots were in general high is fuck.
Yeah, what they were doing.
I'm not going to spoil much more of the movie, but no.
That was not a part of it.
But it's just, it is definitely like a series of gut punches through the lens of someone
who is like, yeah, just trying to be trying to not die and then like around him is a society, culture, government,
system and everything that it's like actually you fucking should though.
Dying is sick and you're a loser if you don't want to.
And that's like, okay, all right.
And also there's Godzilla.
Damn it.
Also Godzilla is here.
Yeah. And also there's Godzilla. Damn it. Also Godzilla is here. Yeah, so it's a very interesting watch and go into it, I think, like, you know, knowing
that and then I think as well.
But like, and like while you're also like, oh, wow, Godzilla is going here, huh?
But there's a there's a cap on how real we can get.
And, um, and, and that cap is exactly at the border of Nanking.
You know, like that cap is that collection of ears.
Is there a, is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there?
Is that right over there? Is that right over there? Is that right over there? Is that right over there? Is that right over there? Is that right over there? is made by people in the government if they can figure out a way to divert
God's Ellis path to China or Korea. I mean if we could just get him to walk
through Korea actually. Oh my goodness. Ah. Two birds one stone. Am I right? Yeah.
No, they that's it. They kind of do that, it is a, it is a, what the fuck was wrong with us look at the time, but through
the lens of like, almost persona like, okay, don't criticize too hard, but the internal
trauma here is real and it's fucked. And the idea is that I feel like a Western movie would like show you more of the institution
destroying the soldier.
Whereas here, it's all happening inside, you know.
But it's very good.
It's very good.
So I'll definitely recommend it.
I feel like there's others.
The American movie would have King Kong show up
and beat up the Godzilla and then have
the Adam Boms be cover for the destruction
that Godzilla caused.
And then they would drape the American flag on King Kong
and then he would stand on an aircraft carrier
and beat his chest.
I mean, the most important thing is how quickly people
get over the concept of Godzilla standing
there and how quickly it's about the other threat that he needs to save them from now.
You know, it's kind of hilarious though that we're getting this and then like an immediate
like other western Godzilla movie to compare it to.
You know, there's this is a.
No, we can beat this one Kong. Oh, no, we got this Godzilla and then they do a little fist bump compare it to, you know, there's, this is a, no, we can beat this one, Kong.
Oh, no, we got this, Godzilla.
And then they do a little fist bump and pick up sticks.
With their backs towards the camera, doing the pose,
like getting ready to do, doing the, yeah,
funny, doing the, doing the Goku and Vegeta.
Yeah, well, anyways, I definitely want to recommend it. And yeah,
and it has, and it has a more to say that is closer and vein to the times I've
talked about the Dan Carlin podcast, supernova in the east and post word Japan and
like, like the idea of what, what led up to what led up to what would have happened in the event of a
grounded vision and the madness of that.
So check it out.
And also Godzilla's there.
Would this be like, it would be like the movie would actually be called like the shame
of the heart featuring
God's-
Oh!
Uh, that-
I guess starring!
That-
I'm- I'm-
That's over my head.
I'm just like the idea of Godzilla being in like a sitcom tag line as featuring.
I don't know how many other God Godzilla movies have like the human side of
things be like legitimately interesting. I assume it's like a Transformers bit
where you're like where are the Transformers? Enough of the humans where are the
Transformers please. But Transformers are. But this is one of the cases where I can
say this is probably the best I've seen of the human story, you know.
At least one?
Okay.
Anyways, I'd say at least one probably.
I think you saw it.
I think it was God's shinghanzilla.
Yeah, that was a bunch of office people, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and
music, play him.
Um, anyway.
So, uh, uh, that's a recommend. Yeah, and so I finished up a dredge and I did the pale reach DLC.
Oh, I have done the pale reach DLC. How is it?
Uh, you know what? Like, it's, it's, it's okay.
Uh, I was hoping for more. It's a new area. Okay, so first of all, Dredge, the finale of that is fucking phenomenal.
I really love the ending. Both endings. Both endings. Yeah. Super good. A way to wrap that
up. And I realized I think a little too late that the stone, the obelisks were about
lore.
I didn't know that going through the game,
so I missed a bunch of that background detail
until I found out way after it,
and I'm like trying to go back and get what I could
because finding out about some of the background context
behind the Elge Rachorra is pretty cool.
But at the same time, like, man, that ocean.
Like that's kind of the story. Yeah, it is it is
And and the sequence of events that leads to the you know the the final
One or two choices is is fucking incredible. It's such a good a good finale for what it is
So the the DLC the the pale
The pale The DLC, the pale reach is basically an ice continent pops up in the south and there's
all kinds of ice fish and ice things down there.
Let's go see what's happening.
And yeah, it's cool in that, like you go down, you get some new mechanics, you get some
new equipment, some new types of fish to collect, some new quests, all the things you would
expect for that.
And then there's like a little bit of a plot to the area that you kind of put together.
And it's very similar to the area of the where you're in the, like I think the mangrove,
the swamp, where you're like meeting the pilots and like kind of trying to, you know, take
out the little, where you're, you're trying to take revenge on the, the, the aberrations
that are growing in that water.
It's almost like that, there's a little plot
to the area that you go into and play through.
And that's pretty cool.
And then there's an aspect of it that's like,
again, very much coming from the,
the, the, the, the eldritch, the, the, the big,
the stuff that gets referenced at the end of that game,
it ties into that a little bit.
But ultimately, it's really quick and it's like, I was hoping for a bit more, you know?
I thought it was real, I liked what was there. I just thought there wasn't enough of it, I guess,
is what I mean to say. And when you kind of get expected DLC to, you know, not just bring you a new
area, but like, you know, bring another like part of what? I just like, I loaded up the
steam review and the first negative review is I beat this DLC and under an hour.
If you book, if you be line it, I could see that. I can see that.
I could see that.
Yeah, it took me maybe three,
took me about three hours or so to go through it.
That's, and it's, so that's the kind of thing is like,
it's very quick, what's there is not, like, it's an interesting story they introduce to you, but it's just,
there's just not enough of it going on.
And you wish that there were a couple other beaches you could land on, a couple other NPCs
to talk to, a couple other things you could discover in the journal to like, fill out
what the story was, you know, because it's a cool, eldritch, ice horror thing happening,
but you want more details on it,
you want it to be fleshed out
because when they do get into that stuff,
they do it really well.
And then yeah, you end up getting some new abilities
and a new power that is just a better version
of an existing power.
So that's kind of a bummer.
And the payoff is essentially just like that plus a new category of fish is introduced that you can catch now.
Yeah, it was less than I wanted, but it was still very good.
I just felt for being a chunk of paid DLC, I wish there was more to it.
Game is still incredible though.
And...
Yeah, Dredge is great.
It's a bummer about the SteelSeed though.
Yeah.
And it is cool to do the lore tablets while you're there
on the new area.
The lore tablets from the new area
are pretty fucking sick too as well.
But you're just reading some text
about the exposition of what's going on.
So go play some Dredge.
Anyway, so yeah, that's, that's, that's, you know, a bunch of stuff I did.
But we continued over on Wollivarsis with sacred and terrible air.
We are probably going to be wrapping that up in one more stream.
It continues to be horrifying.
So tune in to that.
It's these disco-ellysium story we're reading.
Oh, goody.
We did some slop streaming.
I described it as hard sloping before the new year
and a number of...
Yeah, I saw that and had an internal bodily reaction
to that phrase.
A lot of people on Twitter were very confused.
The Steve over at the video games was like,
hey, yo. Ho, ho, ho like hey yo you hit me with one
of those but yeah good stuff there and yeah also I got a new podcast versus
wolves that's me and I patch wolf challenge in each other to some shit every
month tune in should be. I hope you enjoy.
And yeah, we're going to be coming back this week with FF9.
I thought we were going to finish it up, but unfortunately.
Oh, I thought you did.
I thought we did too, but it turns out there's a,
there's some cool shit and super bosses
waiting at the right at the end.
Sorry, like, oh wait, did you beat like the game
and you just didn't get to the extras or-
No, no, no, the extras are right before the finale,
so it's like to get to the extras,
you gotta, you should probably go go leave
and go do this or go do that.
So I'm like, ah, right, fine.
I don't know if you wanna do that.
I decided to do it.
I decided to do it.
Yeah, it was really hard.
People really like this video game, so I, you know,
with, as a beloved classic, I want to make sure I see the things that they, they, they loved and, you know,
uh, uh, then I can find, I find out why.
Um, although, yeah, I get me, like, we do have some thoughts, definitely on like, huh?
I can see why people love this game,
and there's some stuff where it's like,
how long has it been since you guys played this?
Cause there's some stuff that's like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been a minute.
But yeah, we're coming back to that to wrap it up proper.
And Thursday, trying to set up, I'll let you guys know, so check
the schedule. But I think I'm going to grab, I'm going to try to check out this lethal
company, I believe it's called. Oh, my little company. Yeah, my friend, so Esteban,
I've hold back to block has been pushing it my way. And we're gonna jump on, do one of those with him,
as well as a 2D day,
who's another one of the FGC chill folks
that is from around here.
And I've told that before getting into it,
check it out as little as possible.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
So going in with two people that know the deal
and me and Reggie are gonna join them
and see what's happening and that's going to be our Thursday.
So FF9, lethal company and then yeah, we'll be back on Saturday with probably some
fighting games as well for you guys.
Check that all out.
We'll leave versus on Twitch, on YouTube and yeah, versus Wolf's podcast as well.
What's going on?
What's going on is we need to take a break
because I need some coffee.
Fairs.
I'm starting to yawn and look like an asshole.
That's fair.
There was a lot.
I had a lot going on.
Yeah, the RP.
Right.
Something that I came to mind actually,
I just want to say one more bit on Godzilla minus
one.
Yeah, just I think to elaborate.
Well I was thinking about how, you know how there's, we've talked about how there's
a, almost a history with mental health in Japan being such that before you look outward, turn within, and that's where, and by doing so that's where the answer is shit will lie, and that's how you can solve what's going on.
It almost feels as if that philosophy taken to a large scale when you zoom out is kind of what's happening here, by being like we're going to focus on what's
happening within in this moment of crisis for the for the nation of sorts. And with that, I am also
when I was talking about the idea of like how what are we going to touch on or acknowledge or
mention anything of like how they affect it outside countries and such. I'm not necessarily saying
that because I expect that the movie is going to travel to other borders and show you what
was happening in these places and getting into the atrocities in those details per se, especially
if the narrative of the story is meant to focus internally on this one person in this one setting
and the struggles they're in. It's more along the lines of like the,
like how much of a depiction of self-criticism
are we going to acknowledge here?
And while they do talk about like and criticize
the imperial government a good bit,
something I remember thinking
while I was watching is a number of the people
that the, you know, the citizens that we see. Like,
are we actually going to see anyone that is representative or emblematic of the imperial-assed
world conquering insane people that were around at that time, you know, that were like not to the
death. We got to go kill it all because we are the superior ones that should rule the world.
Like, are we going to touch on, are you gonna see any of that inside of like the
the population of people you need in the movie? And you don't necessarily, you know?
So like those people are kind of, or that that part of the government is kind of referred to,
but there are people who are ex-military and who are just regular citizens
and such all kind of coming together.
And they represent more like the good people
from within this diseased sort of system of sorts.
But that's part of what I was kind of wondering about as well.
So just to not put out there that my expectations
are Godzilla is gonna get into shit that it has nothing to
Initially, it's not that it's gonna go into things that it never sets out to cover
But more like within what it's decided to cover which is this topic of Japan and post war
Are we gonna look at the people that are here of these citizens and the people that are fucked up amongst
Disgroupe of people while there are the victims and the people that were just like pushed along with it to die for no reason, you know, I hope that clarifies.
Yeah, I feel like I just I hope that clarifies because I you know, I can see anyway anyway like that being a misunderstanding. So, um, no, it's not going to cover that shit at all. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. And that's simply because it's immensely uncomfortable for a designation for them to do so
and they're brand new. That's not the venue for it. I do imagine there are, there must be like,
there are, there must be like, you know, probably indie, pendent productions and things that are more about the actual historical documentation,
unless about Godzilla, that will go into that, that are not going to be also main line films that are produced by Toho and, you know, like, featuring massive budgets
and such. But yeah, anyway, just felt I needed to say that.
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Okay, remember last week when I was like,
I'm gonna buy a bunch of steam gazing on sale
and have a little goofy thing where I run
steam games in front of a timer.
Beat the refunds. See if I refund them.
And I'm gonna call it defeat the refund.
Yeah, I just did that again,
and I'm gonna do that again this week,
and I'm gonna do it again next week.
Why is that?
Because it's fucking fun.
You're spinning a wheel.
Okay.
It says video games on it.
And people don't know where the wheel is gonna go.
It's that mystery box vibe.
It's just mystery box again.
Okay, okay.
Feels like it.
But also like 90 minutes is like a usual like
good get your ankle into it. A amount of time. Damn near anything. Now I'm assuming that there's somewhat of a tone here which is like if it's a very good game and you do manage to hit that
two-hour point and you're like this is this is well done. You let that grace period kind of float, right?
Well, yeah, so it's 90 minutes specifically because I usually
take 10 minutes to set up video settings in any particular game
before I actually stream it.
So if I had a two hour timer, it would literally always go over.
But I have kept most of the games
that I have put through on this list.
All right.
Though there is, there's a definite trend.
I'm learning about my own tastes as we do this.
And I have learned that the worst possible first impression you
could ever make for any game is not good controls. There are like six or seven games that didn't
make it to 10 minutes. I see. Because I started walking around and doing whatever the thing and just going like,
oh, this feels like shit.
Okay.
So the challenge needs to account for fall starts that don't make it to the 10 minute mark.
Yeah.
Much less challenging to the to the.
I don't know if it's a challenge.
I think it's just like, I'm willing to give these games a shot.
And if they hit, like, I'm limiting myself to a certain thing.
So for example, last night is a perfect example where not only did
both games easily, easily when the the I keep it award
But I flew way over time on one of them
Before you get there is it
Yeah, Tim it fuck me I had the question and then it just looked all this great good question while it while interrupting to especially Yeah, that's that's fucking fantastic. Yeah, that's me. I had the question and then it just looked all this great. It's a good question. While interrupting too, especially, yeah, that's that's fucking fantastic.
Yeah, that's great. Thank you.
Oh, yes, sorry.
I'm going to assume that by you saying that you did it last week,
you're going to do it this week, next week, and the week following that there
were a decent number of people who showed up interested to see.
You could say that.
You could.
Hey, you, hey.
Little interesting.
Hey, interesting number of people showed up to.
So I forget, I forget who was it.
If somebody can remember the specific chatter who phrase the term, but they, they, they, they, they, they terms what I was doing, chemical-based gaming
because I'm just spinning a big wheel and constantly, constantly, constantly just new thing.
For the drinks, for the consumers. Yes, I've, yes, I've gamified buying games.
Yeah, yeah, yes, I've yes, I've gamified buying games
All Python why thank you well now you need now you need to gamify the effects on the stream so that it gives you all the good feels every time The game gets selected oh, we already did that oh, okay, there you go. Yeah, all right
No last night. I was like I was like you know guys
I'm running out of games to play for that because I I had that huge batch that I ran out of yesterday.
And then somebody in my chat had the great idea
to donate the exact cost of the game they were recommending.
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, oh, well, now I have to play that one.
So, yeah, that's the system now.
Want something to go up against the refund timer.
Just buy it for me, and I'll play it for 90 minutes.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, all right, endorphins freeze.
And then if I hate it, I'll just refund it and pocket it
and just be like, why do you send in bad suggestions?
Does that person then have the endorphins come crashing down
and then they feel horrible?
We'll find out.
We'll find out soon.
Okay.
Like, I don't take it lightly when you basically say,
so I'm clearing the table.
Oh.
Oh.
Okay.
All right. pretty popular stream.
Well, here's the thing though, I didn't have anything for January.
Because I legitimately did not know what to do for the entire month of January because
fucking infinite wealth that's coming out at the end of the month.
Have you considered gambling?
infinite wealth that's coming out at the end of the month. Have you considered gambling?
So the first game I played last night was called Dicey Dungeons.
Oh, it's a road bike about rolling dice.
Oh shit.
Okay.
Okay.
Was Ashley Larry there?
No.
And Dicey Dungeons is also available on your phone
for a cheap price there.
It is probably one of the best rogue likes
I have ever played in my life.
It is absolute top to bottom stellar.
The music is incredible.
It's made by the people who made super hexagon. Oh
There's a pole so I don't know if you so I talked so I've been talking a lot on my stream particularly
Running through all these games back to back about good chemicals the people who made yeah
hexagon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, activate
AXagon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, activate your good chemicals. That was good juice. That was really good juice for a mobile game. That was incredible. So dicey dungeon knows how to activate your good chemicals.
Um, it is really, really simple. You are going through a rogue like with like turn-based RPG battles, and
you are starting out with two dice, and as you level up you get three or four or five
dice. And my dice, I mean a six-sided regular...
A D6.
Yeah. And it goes, well, you're going to start your turn, and these dice are going to roll,
and then you are going to use these dice values and plug them into your attacks or moves or heels or items.
And certain weapons will require even numbered rolls or certain spells will require odd
numbered rolls.
And there are classes.
So the starting class is the warrior who is dumb and normal and straightforward and strong.
So the warrior's special ability is that you can reroll three dice.
You can just reroll any dice three times in a row
or three separate dice.
You get a bad roll, so you go, no, I wanna try it again.
Do enemies roll?
What's that?
Do enemies roll?
Yeah, enemies also roll.
Okay.
You're both using the same system.
Okay.
So you're just like, well, I don't like these
rolls. I'm going to reroll them to be stronger. Bam. Done. That's it. Right? I then unlocked
the thief at some point. And the thief is fucking bizarre because the thief wants all
low rolls. All of the thief abilities and moves use low rolls multiple times. So where warrior would have like a sword and you
want to put a six-sided dice in there because of course you do because that will make the most
damage. You'll do six damage. The thief has a dagger that you can only put one, two, and three into,
like four, five, and six will not fit. But you can reuse that knife over and over and over. And they also come with the ability to split dice into smaller dice.
Okay.
So if a thief rolled a six, you would actually split it in half and use the three
twice on the dagger.
I have to ask in a game that is primarily about the dice, what actual control do you have?
Is it like the RNG will be the pass-fail state and that's all there is to it?
Um, you have a lot of control. Or can you...
The long and short of it is that you're playing a turn-based role-playing game with turn-based
RPG battles. Uh, and you are moving your, your, your, when you get a weapon, it, you can only
have like six slots in your inventory and different weapons and different items take up different
slots, like kind of like a attach a case thing.
The only difference between this and your regular turn-based RpG is that the dice rolls
happen before you act. Mm-hmm. So if I was playing FF9 and I had Zadane steal,
the game would then roll a fake dice
behind the scenes to tell me
whether or not the steal worked.
Here, I roll the dice first and I go,
oh, well, I have a six, that means steal will be effective.
I'll put it on steal and then I have to make do
with my other actions with these.
Right, okay.
But in general, like you're fighting normally
and picking the right options to do enough damage
and or cast and such,
so that you're not fucked by just like the RNG,
and that's all there is to it.
I got fucked once or twice by the RNG.
Okay.
But every character has a way to manipulate the RNG and that's all there is to it. I got fucked once or twice by the RNG. Okay. But every character has a way to manipulate the RNG
to your advantage.
It's incredible.
It's Dicey Dungeons.
The music had me actually like bobbing my head
and like stamping my foot the whole time
because it's the same person who did the music for VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV was one of the original humble bundle ass in the Indies though, you know, so anyway, yeah,
okay, they know what's like.
Yeah, good, good presentation, excellent gameplay, fantastic music, um, tons of content.
You can play it on your phone.
I'm going to download it on my phone.
Incredible game.
On sale for five bucks.
Uh, it's, uh, yeah, it's on sale for like three and a half dollars right now.
The fourth or seventh?
It's the perfect example of the concept.
And everyone is happy.
People didn't know about Dicey Dungeons.
And I gave them the gift of now knowing about Dicey Dungeons.
See, it's influencing.
Plus one sale right here.
Uh, the second game that I played last night.
I'm going in reverse order because I guess this is how it's going to work.
The one that went horribly time over and I'm going to finish on stream probably tomorrow
is pony island.
The original, which pony island, I started that part of the stream by like
pony island is eighty seven cents on steam right now
it would have to be a wild piece of fucking shit
for me to even bother going to click the refund button
okay you
played inscription obviously and you and new of pony islands before this.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I like pony island way more than inscription.
Way, way more.
The main reason, it's the same kind of general, hey, it's a game, but it's not the game.
It's not really about pony island. You know, that kind of general, hey, it's a game, but it's not the game, you think, it's not really about pony, you know, that kind of thing.
The difference is, is that within about five minutes
of pony island, you're playing what pony island actually is.
Does that make sense?
It gets in action, you are playing a game
and you really liked it,
and then it turned into a different game
and you may or may not have liked it nearly as much.
Yes, because the narrative swerves are meant to be the appeal.
I am apparently on the final level of the Pony Island,
at which point I say there's no part of Pony Island
in which I said, wow, it sucks that they made this part
of the game
bad on purpose, like they did for inscription.
Right, okay.
Ah, yeah, I think, I think inscription is like,
I imagine the creator is like,
I'm a fan of all of these types of card games,
and I want to give them all a shout out. And it just ends up being
that they're not all as fun as each other. So I saw people talking about that the robot
section is like an intentionally bad card game. I I the types of players that would make
that kind of game. Yes, of course. No, the no more heroes' jobs are intentionally bad
to really feel the mundanity of Travis
having to do day-to-day life.
We joke about the no more heroes thing.
That is a direct quote.
Like, Suda was like overt
that the mini-games and no more heroes
want our bad on purpose.
Oh, that makes it make sense, then.
That's cool
That glad glad to know good. Thank you for clarifying that
I disagree with that
All of it all I disagree very strongly work is supposed to suck dude. What's the problem?
You need to be-
I'm playing a video game, so...
I'm playing a video game, so...
I'm playing a video game, so...
No, man, you gotta feel that grind.
That soul crushing grind that I feel.
That's what I'm trying to communicate to you
as you play my game.
What are you talking about, Soda?
You're making works of interactive video art.
What's soul crushing grind are you talking about?
God. You got to make a game where a guy, What's Soulcrushing Grind you talking about? God
You got to make a game where a guy
Otaku jerks off his lightsaber and becomes a cool assassin. What are you complaining about Soulcrushing Grind?
Say what you will about Shenmue. There's many things that should be said infinitely bad dumb stupid terrible things about it
But when Rio went to work, he worked playing Lucky Hit
and you got to play the game Lucky Hit to make money.
That's a fun way to make money.
It is.
So, Pony Island and Dice Dungeons are absolutely
a fantastically stellar and I cannot possibly recommend them
enough, especially considering the current steam sale.
It's stellar, absolutely fantastic.
I'll be playing, and you know what's got else
great about Dicey Dungeons?
It doesn't have any flashing lights or fast-moving graphics.
It's a low stimulus game.
Oh, I see.
So I'm going to be reviewing a damn near everything I play
for the next like two years or three years
Based off of do I feel like this will fry your child's brain?
Tipety tip fucking top is vampire survivors might as well just throw your baby in a dumpster if they see it
Okay, I think this is this is if baby is in lap, is this a good idea?
Yeah, it is.
Right.
It's questionable.
Right, right, right.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Like, are you sitting there with a beer in your hand,
the baby on your lap and playing vampire survivors?
You should be arrested.
Give it a couple of years.
Um.
Alright, I'm having it.
Oh man, I have to go down this list.
Alright, what else?
Have you ever played the Taylor's principal?
I want to say I bought it in a bundle and then never installed it.
You probably should have gotten to it before the refund time
ran out.
No, it's really good.
I just hate it.
I'm running into a lot of games during this series in which I'm
like, wow, this is really good.
Excuse me.
And then I go to main menu quit.
And then I go to uninstall.
And then I go to get this off my fucking computer.
Talos Principle is a very interesting
and well-developed puzzle game that's kind of like portal,
but instead of using portals,
you're using like gates and jammers and avoiding danger.
And it made me feel very stupid when I was playing it,
and it has a bunch of hidden secrets that are really hard to find and made me feel stupid stupid when I was playing it, and it has a bunch of hidden secrets
that are really hard to find
and made me feel stupid trying to find them.
And it has like a theological, like humanist,
like narrative instead of a goofy fun narrative.
It gets discussed a lot whenever we talk about the witness
or missed or driven.
Okay, so they're not fully climbed into their own whole asshole
like J Blow was for the witness.
But only partially then.
Only a little bit.
Yeah, just the foot, okay.
Right, which is okay.
It's okay, right?
But the witness, the foot, okay. Right, which is okay. It's okay, right? But the witness, the witness is one of the only games I've ever played in my life in
which I felt like the developer was talking down to me.
I still, I had a great, I had a great time playing it and I didn't go back and then I just
like having not gone back to it and like actually gotten, I think to the core of its mysteries.
It's been interesting watching the narrative outside
the game evolve over the years.
But for what it presented and what I played of it,
I was like, oh, that's a clever thing to do.
Okay, I see what you're setting up here.
And in the end, I ultimately, I'm like, if you make
the proposition to teach someone a language from the jump, it's a little less annoying
than halfway through the game, ala Fez, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. So yeah, Talos Principle fits right into great game, probably beloved by many.
Get it away from me, please.
I see.
Which, that's a, I mean, I don't know about you, but like, I feel like that's been a part
of personal growth for me as a human of like trying to acknowledge that things may not be
bad just because I don't like them.
Yeah.
Like, I still think pickles are the devil.
I think anyone that eats a pickle is insane.
But that's probably me.
Mm-hmm.
I've said at many times that I don't have the capability to run to handle RTS.
I just can't do it.
I respect what's happening.
I did!
I did back in the days when they were really simple.
I have tons of respect for people that are able to do it.
And it's a really cool way to manage the battlefield
from afar and do everything quickly.
And I just don't enjoy it.
It's too bad when everybody was trash.
RTS is like when Warcraft 2 came out
and like the first 10 minutes of Starcraft.
Yeah, I could play RTS.
And then everyone got really good and brooded it.
And now I can be put on scrub quotes.
I'm sick.
Yeah, you know when playing RTS games was fun,
in the fucking six months after Starcraft 1 came out,
but before Brood War came out.
Right, right, right, right, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you didn't know the error the basement King time
Man, like it's just you know the moment you become self-aware
But I also I also had that moment and you people like you people see me with this with like ATB man
Like I I have a specific way of enjoying things that are turn based that is like time should not be a factor
I like the the fact that there is time being a factor creates a type
of stress that makes me-
Sack of energy says fucking get good loser.
I enjoy the game less as a result of that being there.
If I want to more relaxing experience,
I would like it to be where time is not a factor.
My decisions are it.
That's I'm always gonna have that.
Okay.
All right.
Then I played Caltic.
Have you heard about Caltic?
No, sir.
It is a boomer shooter.
It is a came put out by 3D realms.
Actually, I did not know 3D realms existed with the same logo and everything. Yes, same logo and everything.
It is an extreme boomer shooter, which is pulling its influences from blood. I don't know if you
remember blood, but blood was the game that had the subtitle I think was on the expansion called one whole unit of blood.
Okay.
But its second inspiration is RE4.
It feels like a boomer shooter made in the vein of RE4.
Everything feels chunky and heavy.
There's, it just feels fucking good.
Yeah, okay.
It's great, it's just great.
Dusk and that other one,
what's the one that's not ultra kill?
Ultra kill, the one that's not ultra kill?
That's also like a boomer shooter
that is sending it up in a really
Overtway
Ah, it doesn't matter whatever. It's a new blood game. It's fine. Bloomwood
Is it hexin? Yeah, and is ancient man. No, no, no, it's not
Turn over kill amid evil amid evil if you're thinking of hex and you're thinking of a medieval
But yeah, this is...
It's good. It's cool. That's it.
No, no further discussion needed. It's really good. If you like booming and shooting and being old
Weirdly enough the game uses voxels for it's it's 3D.
I don't know why it's it's old-fashioned sprites and voxels.
That's so weird with the gun reloading.
Sliding past like, yeah, okay. You're reloading at a framerate lower than the action in front of you.
Oh yeah, no, no, you're reloading like the like four frames a second.
reloading like the like four frames a second
Cuz it got to be chunky and grimy man
It's from a fake
1997 That could have when you had a computer that would run voxels. What the fuck?
What is 3D realms up to I had no idea cultic and
Ghost runner I guess.
Oh, are they all, what?
No.
I clicked ghost runner.
I clicked on their name and I see under the list
of things they have is Kingpin Reloaded Ghost Runner.
Shadow Warrior.
OK.
Let's see.
I played a, I played a cobalt core, which is a, it's FTL with cards and furries.
Sure.
Moving like taking actions on your FTLhip is with cards. Steam has recommended me a shit ton of card games
because I'm playing Midnight Sons.
And it's like, you love card games?
I'm like, not really, actually.
Well, the whole off-court.
I think it's important to specify,
these are not just furries, these are space animals.
Oh yeah, there's, well yeah,
because I said FTL, right?
Because they're space.
So these are star foxes.
Well, I don't mean to be rude,
but you know, star foxes are furry, right?
Yes, yes.
It's also, but it's like first and foremost,
it's a Jim Hanson space animal in my brain.
And then it goes to that.
What's Robin Hood from the Disney movie Robinhood in your brain?
Are they a Disney creature or are they the start of something sinister?
The same folder as Minerva Mink.
Yeah, Cobaltcore is good music, good presentation,, good everything except I can't stand the gameplay at all.
So, back it goes.
So, you know what?
This gut feeling of like, oh wow, overwhelmingly positive reviews, beloved by all.
Wow, this must be really good. And then you play it and you're like,
ah, beloved by all, who like the core concept. I was so, yeah, I was gonna say that like in
playing some of these and I assume you're just taking suggestions as well, right? Like,
I am, yes, I'm taking suggestions. Yeah, so you're definitely gonna be getting like the,
you know, the final level of the genre evolution when people go down the road of being super into X or Y.
It's gonna evolve past three or four different titular games and become like this thing, and now you're jumping in here.
And I hope you like or understood the pathway that we took to get here.
I don't know why I need to do all this violence in my fighting game.
I just, I just, I joined this to walk around Metro City.
I mean, Christ almighty, if you can certainly go that way.
Or if you get into like the,
the final stages of the post wipeout, wipeout like games,
where it's like you can
invest in a garage setup and
Play a game that is at the speed of human recognition to turn corners You know, and that's just rad as hell, but I'm like I'm incapable of driving this
But that looks super cool
But if you played wipe out and fucking every one of those card games and just went nuts the entire time and loved it
You're like give me more speed.
I want my nose bleeding when I play these games.
I want more speed.
All right, next up that was Altman.
That night, the night that I'm rating you off was like a bloodbath.
It was terrible.
Like, Caltic, great.
I also played two other games called Road 96 and Control Out Ego.
Control Out Ego is a immersive sim where you are swapping between different robots
and is apparently fantastic, except that every single thing about the controls feels like complete
dog shit. Every single thing just moving, moving and shooting and picking up items. Which one?
Just awful. Which one? A control out ego. Okay. And like part of it is intentional because
when you start the game, one of the difficulty options is like a motion sickness toggle for the
Slidiness of your poorly controlling robot
um
And I'm like oh, I get where you're going for go away
Go away now
And I also played road 96 which was uh
Now and I also played Road 96 which was a I
Don't know how to describe it. I feel like it's somebody trying to make a fucking
Rogue like life is strange game
In which they just rapidly throw you in a bunch of different scenarios like cinematic scenarios
evolving hipster scenes that are different every time you revisit them. Yes.
And like it's it.
It just felt so pretentious.
I feel so awful.
I like the sound of that.
Like I I was playing it and like I don't know how to just so you know like there's certain games where you play them for five minutes
You're like, oh, like actually like just like oh this
But then there's the other ones where you're doing it and you're playing it and you're just completely stone faced and you don't have any thoughts
And you don't have any emotions
And you're just like you hit a point, what am I fucking,
ugh, what am I doing?
Do you,
so when you grab a suggestion from the pile,
are you getting it with a note attached to it at all,
or are you just clicking the link and just going in?
Like,
I'm trying to do as little research as possible.
Okay, you're getting, yeah, just blindsided.
Okay.
I want to get in there and just be hit with it full force. Good or ill.
Cause there's a, there's like, I'd kind of enjoy having a little bit of
context to know what type of brain to be in. You know what I mean? Like where
to the only things that I'm seeing are the what's on the page as I go to add to cart and
what's in the options menu on the main menu as I set up the video settings.
Got it.
Okay.
So yeah, that shit was a fucking horrible blood bath, very depressing.
Which one is that?
That was road 96.
That's a name that kind of blends in.
It sure does.
I've had that on my wish list for like two or three years.
And I was like, oh, I'm getting, oh, I'm, oh yeah,
it's on sale, I'll pick it up.
And then I was, oh no, no.
No, sometimes, it's on sale. I'll pick it up and then I'll know. No.
No, sometimes, no, like to give you an example, chat thought the game had AI voice acting despite the fact that it came out before AI
became a thing. Like that, that was like the level we were, we're
dealing with and like oh this
yeah overwhelmingly positive um
you know
the overwatch and picks our proportions to
you know yeah yeah
all right only one more to go and by one more i mean three
uh...
have you ever heard of american arcadia and one bunch of awards but i where I heard of it was on the show. Okay, so I saw that American Arcadia won a bunch of awards,
and I was like, what the fuck is that wife I never heard of it?
So I picked it up for the segment,
and American Arcadia fucking rules, man, it is great.
It is two games.
I think that's what I was thinking.
I was like, what the fuck is that wife I never heard of it?
So I picked it up for the segment, And a Mariner Arcadia fucking rules man, it is great.
It is two games and I'm not going to talk too much about it because it's very experientially
spoilery.
Part one is limbo slash inside, side scrolling, navigating the environment, doing puzzles.
The second part of the game is in first person, navigating an environment and solving puzzles
for the character who is side-scrolling.
Okay.
And it takes place inside like a city version of like the Truman show.
Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting.
So person one who is trying to escape is going left to right.
And person two who is facilitating their escape is moving around in first person and sneaking
behind things to get the materials or hacking doors or breaking into people's offices.
I think the orange yellow brown stripe aesthetic is pretty cool.
Oh, the aesthetics fantastic. Oh, yeah, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and funny are considering all the areas that are in first person have a predominantly blue
aesthetic. Like the room that you are in right now.
Hmm.
I made this trailer might be giving away some meta elements of the story.
I don't know about that. Like they kind of pulled a curtain back within like half hour.
Okay.
Like it's not like, oh, what could be going like it's the first thing that happens.
Mm-hmm.
Um, it's, yeah, it's fantastic.
Uh, it's stellar.
Out of the blue games.
Oh, that's a good name for a game that I didn't hear about
until one and a half.
Oh, sorry, developer.
Yeah?
Uh, let's see, what else we got?
I have to do this in a big list
because there's no other way to do it.
Oh, did you ever play Gun Brella from Devolver?
No, but I've heard the name. Ah, it's side scrolling and you shoot a gun
through your umbrella and it's a,
not quite Metro-Idvania, not quite adventure game,
but it's just, it's excellent.
You shoot the guys with your little umbrella gun.
It's great.
It feels good, it jumps good.
It's got a weird story,
it's got an incredibly strange color palette
for a 2D game.
Yeah, somebody in the chat mentions it,
it feels like Celeste with a gun.
Celeste with a gun, absolutely.
Because I was looking at the cut scene,
I was like, oh, that's pretty.
And then gameplay starts and it's 100% Celeste with a gun
Yeah, that's great
And last but not least was oh
Man this game is so cool. Have you seen little goody two shoes?
Will they little goody two shoes this thing?
This is the absolute peak of RPG. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
I won a couple of weeks ago, I think, I think we talked about it. I want to say we brought
it up. I talked about it upcoming, but we didn't
ahead and played either of it. Not after it dropped to no. What a cool attempt to like recapture a specific moment, you know, like it's not that
I've played it for about an hour and a half.
It successfully captures that incredibly, incredibly specific moment.
Hell yeah. the filters and use of color and overall
curvy nose design of the pointy anime girl
is 100% on point.
It is a time management dating simulator.
Sure.
Mystery horror game.
Released for the Sega Saturn in limited capacity.
Now in between Lunar and Lunar 2.
Yes, and it came with a giant special edition
that has a poster and a fucking
doll and a mousepad and a little clock.
Yeah, and now you can buy them for like 900 bucks.
It is extraordinarily charming. It's visually beautiful. I did not expect the game to be
about like managing your time. Like the game is like primarily like the town portions
of a persona game. Okay. And like, oh, which, like it's super gay.
It's gay as hell.
Yeah, like these sad little anime German girls,
like you little goody-tooth shoes.
90s lesbian anime core.
That was, even that is a hyper-specific aesthetic,
like Sailor Moon. Like, are these these pictures? No, they're frat
They're good their roommates
Well the beyond the original five sailor scouts now we're getting into it
Once we once we start hitting the outer planets
Shit gets a little frisky
It's, shit gets a little frisky.
Gotta call Mr. Loanfall up in this bitch. Like, it is, it is just, it's just a joy.
It's like everything about it is just like,
like well thought out and crafted.
And I was very shocked that it's actually an RPG Maker game.
Like it is, it is doing, that's incredible.
Yeah.
So much more than your average RPG maker game
Like anything that like visually is because you can you know, you know
You've got cutscenes anywhere and that's fine
But more like the running around and and you know platforming and such just to be expected
But there's shit here. I'm seeing where there's many games and
Completely outside the realm of just picking text and moving your sprites around,
which is usually what RPG maker ends up being.
That's very impressive.
And like, it's also very of the era,
and then I walked up to a closet,
clicked on it, and it just said,
you have unlocked zero of 10 endings
and gave me a list of question marks
in like the starter starting room.
And I'm like, oh, nice.
Oh, it's so like that, huh?
Okay.
No, I'm glad to hear we're nailing it.
Like, it seems as if the, I feel like some time ago,
we were talking about like, you know, okay,
everyone appreciates the era of, of, of, of,
of Mega Man 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog
and everyone appreciates Castlevania and that style of, of Sprite 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog, and everyone appreciates Castlevania
and that style of Sprite Art and Shit.
But like, who's gonna be holding it down
for ugly ass triangles for the launch N64 titles?
Who's gonna be making a bunch of fake working designs games?
Right, who's doing it for the fear effect type
cel-shaded era of the PlayStation 1?
What are the where are we gonna get specific ass reference, fear effect type cell shaded era of the PlayStation one.
What are the where are we gonna get specific ass
reference, you know, to fake ass PlayStation one games
that I'm gonna be playing this week of that nature.
One in particular, I don't wanna give it away too much,
but I will, is what if there was a third and 64 castlevania game that wasn't a complete piece of shit?
Incredible, incredible, love it. Yep. And I mean, obviously, the other one recently
was the what if there was another Zelda CDI game? Yeah. So just these very precise feelings that like,
it's one person takes it on themselves to like match that and
Hopefully if you get what they're going for you can see the like
Insane lovingly attention to detail. Oh, yeah, dude. Hold on. There's so yeah, there were two shitty and 64 Castlevania games
One of them had a werewolf. They're terrible. Oh the. The werewolf one was better than the other one, apparently.
It was, but that's relative.
That's like it was, those kings are terrible, oh my god.
Oh, and that was it for the games I played this week.
Oh, one last, I talked about, uh, one piece last week and how long it is, right? Or was that something I talked about One piece last week and how long it is right or was that something I talked about on stream you talked about it last week at two
Yeah, yeah, I it's really long
Just on the on the specific game genres. I would love to see someone take a crack at
early
DS not like 3DS, early DS,
like brain age and health style products
that I don't think were far enough away yet.
Are we too close to it still?
Because there's a vibe.
There's a vibe to those games and their clean layouts
and the type of 3D they used for like,
you know, the doctor coming down to tell you, here's what you gotta do in shit.
And like, it's such a vibe from that
or pulling out your specifically, your clean 3DS,
or your DS light, you know,
and doing your daily activity for the day
and then closing it and putting it up for street pass.
20 years since the fucking Nintendo,
the, the touch generation shit, yeah, man.
That I feel like there's gonna be a place where people,
some people might appreciate something that hard leads
into that direction and does something fun with it.
Oh, and last but not least,
was that I played a ton more midnight suns,
which I feel like I can now speak on that I played about 10 to 15 hours of midnight suns.
Boy, that game got fucked over, man.
That game is great.
That should have been in people's runnings for Game of the Year last year.
It was one of the other one came out. I was wondering if it was Elmer and Kima. She's just like, it is incredible.
Like, I spent hours just wandering around trying to fucking solve secrets and find hidden
bullshit in the open area around the abbey.
I played video games with Blade and talked to him about his emotions.
And I talked to somebody else about how much I didn't like Carol Danvers.
Who's, who you got the highest relationship with?
Tony and Pete.
Yeah.
Tough quote.
Yeah.
I want to play Iron Man inspired.
Spider-Man.
You got any cool cards?
I got some cool cards. Spider-Man has a bunch any cool cards. I got some cool cards Spiderman has a bunch of cool cards
That if you if you knock a guy out you can go again with a spider-man. Oh damn. What's it shiny?
No, not yet. Oh, no, I got a shiny. I got a shiny card with blade actually come to think of it
What was it was it to? It's oh right? Yeah, I got a shiny card with Blade, a legendary golden card with Blade
that consumes all the bleed prox that Blade put on somebody to do heaps of damage.
So you can build a blade deck where he causes lots of stacks of bleed and then he caches
those stacks out.
Okay.
Dude, that game is incredible.
What a strange twist of events.
Like, your character is like,
completely customizable,
and they're completely customizable
over and over for the whole game.
You just go into the menu and go,
I want to change what my character's,
you can change everything,
but your facial structure. And gender, You can change skin tone hair, eyes, tattoos, shitty accessories.
So I'm flying between like gigantic mallet and handlebar mustache with aviators and glowing green
satin eyes with a bunch of face tattoos so that when I'm talking to fucking Steven Strange
about how we can fucking keep the demon inside the abbey
settle down with the emo kids club that we go to at night
with Menoru and fucking magic.
I look like such a stupid, stupid asshole in every cutscene.
This might be one of those games where,
because it was like this,
even though the confusion of the marketing
was like made us not know what it was,
it seems like it's being reviewed positively.
Like, I could be one of these games
where the second one comes out,
and it's more clear about what it's about
and everyone that knows the good one initially
was the first one would just be able to...
I think Square Enix has just killed this game.
I think that's what happened.
But like, okay, but Square Enix Avengers, that would affect like, I mean, they had
Guardians going with, with, uh, Idaas as well. Um, this with fire axis like, different
company, different deal, different possibilities, you know, and Somnac is doing their whole
bid. Yeah, but Guardians also died despite being a really good game. You remember that? Different deal different possibilities, you know, and so I'm the act is doing their whole bit
Yeah, but Guardians also died despite being a really good game. You remember that?
The Guardians of the Galaxy game. That's what I remember being told the Marvel fatigue hit video games first
Weirdly enough also there will never be a second one of these
It was a huge flop and the director a guy guy named Jake Solomon, like left the company after
its failure. So like I feel really bad for him because him and his team did a great job, a great job.
I mean, you would assume they would just go back to X-com and Siv.
He was also the guy behind X-com. He directed X-com and X-com too.
guy behind XCOM. He directed XCOM and XCOM 2. So damn, so that sucks. It's really weird playing a game like this where you, hey, it's Spider-Man and of course it's Peter
Lohanthal. That's not as nice. Yeah, it's, yeah, we love him. There you go. And you're
like, wow, that's Spider-Man.
That's what Spider-Man always sounds like.
And then you go over and talk to Blade,
voice by Michael Gai White.
And you're like, that's who Blade sounds like.
And then you walk over to a fucking whoever the hell
they got to play Carol and Tony.
And they're doing their best Brelarsson
or Robert Downey Jr.,
but they're not doing that good of a job.
And it's just like, I wonder if Marvel's strategy
is to spread out, try a couple different genres,
and get the genre masters to convert their formula
into one that has Marvel characters in it.
Yeah.
And then pretty much expect it to be a one and done
unless it becomes like a blowout
and it's like insane popular thing like Unsomniac
and then you're like, all right, well now this is flagship, right?
And that's more Sony pushing it for years, but...
Mm-hmm.
I think the saddest thing about it is because you're...
So a couple things are really strange about this game.
Number one, they clearly made a set of animations for the hunter that were the
girl animations and at some point I this is all out of my ass if prop Marvel
probably told them to make it a boy or a girl and now the male character also
shares all the female animations so he's swinging his hips when he's walking and he's posing.
This is a player character or an original player character.
Yeah, a player character.
Okay.
Yeah, it's really funny.
It's really funny.
He's very sassy as a result.
Hell yeah.
Get Kojima in that fucking quiet cutscene.
You also get a player control in from a studio that has literally never allowed you to walk around in a game ever
because they make XCOM and they make fucking sieve.
And the what moving around is so weird.
It is a first attempt all the way around,
and I don't know how to describe it.
Like you accelerate too fast,
and your top speed is really fast.
And the camera's a little too close to your back.
And then you talk to the characters,
and you zoom in on their faces,
because it's personal,
but it's the XCOM model makers. So zooming in on their faces is a
bad idea.
They all look great on the field in their costumes, but when you're like sitting and talking and you're like, hey, and you zoom in on
Carol's face, you're like, fuck that looks like a goddamn PS2 character.
character. Someone has pointed out before it and it's true. Do you mistake PS2 generation with PS3? Sometimes we're like, I think we're really old.
Well here's the thing, here's the thing and here's the problem because the PS2
was so long ago,
but it had such a wild variance in quality.
If I said these look like PS2 characters,
you would then go Pat,
that doesn't look anything like a PS2 character,
and you would pull up an average PS2 game.
And then I would say, actually,
it looks significantly worse than a PS2 character,
and then I would pull up Silent Hill 3.
And then you would be like, oh right, yeah,
every single character face in the entire 360 generation
and some of the PS4 generation still looks worse
than the face models in Silent Hill 3.
Here's Tech and Tag 2, yeah.
And it's also a 10 year generation,
so that shit does wildly very.
But the funniest thing about it is I sat down with my social link with Tony,
and he starts telling me about Tony's grandma's pasta with lots of garlic,
and we're just shooting a shit about his grandma's pasta.
And something happened that made me re-upset about every Marvel movie in which you're having this conversation with Iron Man at the bar
and
He describes that he had to change his grandma's recipe because his grandson's mom's recipe has vodka
Uh-huh
That's why when he joined the midnight sun Sons, he mandated that they have a
dry bar when he arrived. And you get to talk to Tony about his rampant alcoholism. Wow. And have a
conversation. It's not too long. It's like four or five sentences. But you get to talk to him.
And I was just like flooded with like, oh my god, he died before the one thing anyone ever knew about
Iron Man that gave a shit was demon in a bottle.
Yeah.
And they just refused to do it.
Didn't do it.
They just refused to do it.
Never touched it.
And then you get to all the things where you walk up to,
you walk up to who was it.
I forgot what character it was. I walked up to them.
It was magic. It's Colossus's sister.
And she goes, hey, I don't know.
I saw Tony and Carol arguing in the other room
and they were talking about if you could see the future
and see who would do a crime before it happened,
whether or not you would arrest them.
And Carol was like, yeah, I'd arrest them.
And Tony said that was stupid.
What do you think?
And I'm like, isn't that the fucking,
isn't that the fucking civil war storyline
that everybody hates Marvel over?
I'm sorry.
I'm just, I've been,'ve been I'm very very distracted. I
somewhat said and I don't are you familiar?
Are you familiar with the term serving C word?
In the context of I could probably do the little dance. Yeah. In the context of...
I could probably do the full dance.
Yeah, right.
I have it.
Just...
Exactly.
Just, you know, in that drag energy cut.
So, your character with those animations walking around serving C and X Tuesday to the
deans.
Yeah.
Um.
Oh, fuck. Yeah, I think. Yes. Um.
Oh, fuck. Yeah, okay.
All right.
And you can tell people who really gave a shit
about these characters made it because I was customizing
my shit head dirt bag to be look like the biggest asshole
I can think of.
And somebody asked me if I had unlocked a shirt
to wear around the hub,
and I'm like, you're full of shit, that's not in the game.
And sure enough, I was sent a screenshot
of the main character hat wearing the Magneto was right.
Teachers.
Oh, actually in the game.
Oh my God.
Oh wow.
And someone replied to that with the follow up t-shirt
you can also unlock, which is the Cyclops was right t-shirt?
Okay, I was gonna say the other one
is the Cyclops did nothing wrong, yeah.
Yeah, and it's like, oh yeah, no, they really,
they really need things, they really care,
they really give shit.
Oh, those are the two, those are the two.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Damn. They really give fuck. Oh, those are the two those are the two
Damn one of your party members magic is a fucking X-man and you can go hang out when you go fishing with magic and talk about
Like the emo kids club wearing a magneto was right t-shirt
That's so fucked up in world. Yeah, okay.
It also does something really interesting
from a story perspective.
So, oh, the mother demons, Hydra, they're evil.
They're gonna do a big magic evil.
Whatever, that's the plot, right?
The subplot is really interesting because it's about boomers.
Okay.
Because the team is split halfway between people who are usually Avengers and people who are usually midnight sun. Plot is really interesting because it's about boomers. Okay.
Because the team is split halfway between people who are usually Avengers and people
who are usually Midnight Sons.
And so you have Tony and Carol and Steve and Avengers, right?
And then you have Nico from the Runaways and Magic
and Peter Parker and young people who are constantly clashing
about how to do literally everything.
And the old people being so stuck in their ways
they can't actually get anything done.
Or is the kids have novel solutions to the problem at hand
but aren't taken seriously?
Right.
So there's a very early on, you're trying to track down Venom
because Venom's all huffed up on demon juice
and tearing up New York.
So Tony and Carol are like hijacking satellites
and fucking doing also their science shit, can't find them.
And a strange and the caretaker,
who's a character made for this are casting
divination spells like where could Venom be and it doesn't work and then it
turns to like the new ghost writer and Nico and magic and they just pull out their
phones and load up social media and go Venom is on Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah.
He's fucking broadcasting his location.
Did he hit right?
Nice.
Here are here are.
Yeah.
Here's the live Twitter feed that is following Venom around New York City.
Cod.
Yes.
Yes, Xavier.
But can cerebral figure out why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
That's pretty good.
I like that. So can crunch. That's pretty good. I like that.
So you can use, it's fantastic.
I think midnight suns is absolutely incredible.
If they're leading into the memes,
can I hang out with Soron and find out
why he wants to only turn people into dinosaurs
instead of curing cancer?
So maybe there would have been a sequel
that you could have done that.
Cause that feels like a move.
But instead, will you can only hang out with Peter Parker by the pool and confront him
that he is hoarding food in his room.
And you're like, Peter, why are you stealing all the food from the kitchen to hide it in
your room?
And he's like, because I'm poor.
It's crazy. You guys have all this food.
That's great.
Damn, broke Peter's rules.
I got used to the bathroom.
Yeah.
The air bait. All right. Before I move completely off that, I do have to go over two more details.
One is, if you do buy midnight suns, get the legendary thing or whatever, it just comes
with every suit and comes with the four DLC characters, especially now that it's on sale
and it's on the humble sale right now too.
Because if you don't do that, then you'll be sitting there going, boy I wish I had Venom.
And on that note, there is one of the strangest fucking decisions I have ever seen in my life
about a DLC character.
And it's about Venom.
Venom is the game's first boss. And for the first act of the game, he will show
up in missions at random to like really make the mission a million times harder because
he's a fucking supervillain and he's all juiced up on demon shit. But you can also get Venom
on your team because he's the second DLC character. So the DLC came out and the assumption
was that you would get these DLC characters in the end game or the post game or a new game plus
But he just unlocks like five six hours into the game you should go get him
So then you've got venom on a mission and oh here comes fall in venom. Okay
They get they made no attempt to make it make sense. No attempt. I see
Here he comes.
I mean, it's like,
I would have fucked.
I guess you could say like he's blocked,
you could block your character DLC character
from being used until that part of the story is resolved.
But except that would be like way, way, way, way.
Way too deep, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Also Deadpool is the first DLC character and he's a not annoying version of Deadpool I like him he's he's not
overplaying it what do you mean like he you mean he's not hilarious no I mean he
is pretty funny but like I don't know I feel like Deadpool's like really easy to
overdo the fourth wall shit.
Right?
Do you know?
I guess I'd have to see the, yeah, like what examples I suppose, because I mean, I feel
like the ones I know are the one in his own game from the Deadpool game.
Okay, I know the movies, I know Marvel, and I know the one from the Deadpool game. Okay, I know the movies, I know Marvel and I know the one from the animated movie, the
Avengers movie that he happened to be in.
Well, it's all in the room.
So, like, it's the guy who voices the Deadpool in all the video games.
Okay.
Also, what I don't know, I don't know how much of this is gonna be in there, but like the DLC cast
was decided long before any of the movies.
Oh yeah, I believe that.
So the second DLC character that you get,
and I'm going to get soon, is one Michael Morbius,
the living vampire, because apparently Morbius
is the actual character in the midnight sun's comics
But I don't know I don't know what the overlap but of time is
so like
There is a not
zero percentage chance
That you can ask him about morphing up all those guys.
Because I don't know when he came out versus when he was written.
The thing, the version of him from the comics a billion years ago,
that's just the pale vampire man that goes, that's it.
That's him.
Yeah.
That's him, but there's no chance that they're not.
There's a morp joke. They're not, there's no way they're gonna ignore it dude. There's no way yeah
It's currency at this point with this many people knowing primarily morbid more than that card from the fucking
Fleur ultra collection in the 90s
That's they're gonna have to morbid up
That's great.
You gotta fuse them, you gotta take the original character
and then give them that one little gag
of the current reference thing.
That's great.
That game's great.
Ask Blade about paying his taxes.
See how he feels about it.
Let's see, that's it for me.
If you wanna see more defeat the refund,
go down to twitch.tv slash pat stares at this week. Also, starting this Friday and continuing
for as many Fridays as we can possibly manage it is the return of a video segment that I like
to call beating your wife at video games. At video games. Page came up with that idea long ago.
at video games. At video games.
Page came up with that idea long ago.
Uh, but yeah, no, page is back on the show on Fridays.
Uh, we have a, uh, a, a, a, arrangement with a consistent babysitter.
The wife beat hour.
Yeah, the wife beat hour. Right now on my schedule, it's called beat wife open bracket video game.
Yep. Yep, correct. Uh, we don't beat wife open bracket video game. Yep.
Yep.
Correct.
Uh, we don't know what we're going to do so far.
Uh, we are going to be going back to DMC three at some point, but it won't be this week
because, uh, Paige has not played that game in like six months.
So like, I, will he, would you be able to, okay, you would, but can you imagine a normal
person jumping back into like DMC three?
Yeah, that's swell.
That's not, that's, yeah, that's not feasible. No, that yeah. It's really not
It's a bit much
That's it for me for now
Cool
All right, so
Over in the news a couple stuff happened. There was no news this week.
Not a single thing.
You know what?
I actually like, here's how, here's how I enjoy this story.
I saw the YouTube channel Collider,
who usually they make, you know, just VFX videos
and like little tests and wild things like that, high budget.
They uploaded a video called SteamboatWilly
and I was like, oh, I wonder what they're gonna do to that.
And you click on it, and you watch it.
And it's just Steamboat Willie.
And it takes a second, and you go,
huh?
It is the first of January, 2024.
And the original Mickey Mouse cartoon
has just been uploaded in its entirety
and there's no joke, it's just the cartoon
that he comes from, mother fuckers,
that shit is public domain.
They couldn't fight it off any longer.
I think people are misunderstanding what
public domain means
because I'm seeing a lot of like Mickey Mouse,
Steamboat, Willie Fanart, and like, I've posted the mouse.
And it's like, you could always do that.
You just couldn't sell a shirt with him on it.
Make him a shirt with him on it.
It's the making money part for sure.
It's the making part.
Or just like Winnie the Pooh, you make a horror movie.
And you get it ready in advance so that the moment it's the clock strikes fucking January 1st.
I'm coming out, Steve Mulay.
So Mickey Mouse Trap has a trailer ready to go and it's probably going to be just as
shitty and dumb as the fucking Winnie the Pooh one, but they had it ready and waiting
and they released that too.
So, man, you know Disney,
Disney has been single-handedly fighting copyright law
and they've been the ones holding back
this day from happening.
And it seems really interesting to see
it just like, they've been fighting it our whole lives
and pushing it back and pushing it back and pushing it back.
And they've hit like the actual limit of being able to,
like whatever structures are in place
that they bribed or pushed or nudged.
95 years past the death of the author,
whatever the fuck it is,
as far as they're gonna be able to make it go.
It, they paid off and greased all the palms they could have,
but it seems as if eventually this happened.
I really assumed they were gonna just permanently change
the rules.
I thought Disney had enough money to make it.
Just kick it back every time.
Yeah, they're one of those powerful companies on the planet.
I just figured they would be unstoppable in this regard.
So the fact that it actually happened is wild.
So it starts with Steamboat Willie and any of the characters
and that, and then in theory,
it goes on to every other thing that came out
in release order there.
Steamboat Willie was 1928, so it's not a hundred years since that release, but it's actually...
Well, anyway, whatever the...
Ten or four years until Superman!
Yeah, it's gonna be, I think that we're gonna see some sort of corporate defense put in place to stop
the oldest of these characters from being just monetized by any other company that wants it.
Because it's hilarious to see like random small group of people selling a dumb horror movie
or making a dumb thing and selling a t-shirt like you said. But when rival company of equal size says our movie now has your character
in it, this MCU movie now has Superman in it. Now what? Like that's when it starts to really
get fucking dicey and it's like, oh no, what is the point of these mergers if versions of
these characters? These mergers are anti-compete. Sure.
That's the point of every single merger
that has ever existed.
But the world,
but like the sweat behind all these attempts
to delay copyright law and to delay
these countdowns from happening
is mainly so that rival companies
with massive budgets can't just grab the character
and do whatever they want,
more than just the individual Twitter post.
Well, I mean, the original intent of copyright law has been inverted.
The original intent of copyright law is to make sure you could get 20 or 30 years of
value out of your work, but that it would end so that you would have to do a new thing.
Like that was its original intention was to force you to have to constantly go and make new
things because your shit couldn't last forever. Is that so? What about patents? So then when they kicked
it up to like fucking 95 years plus the death of the fucking whatever,
it is now inverted to be make a thing
so you can live off of it forever.
The estate permanently has the, yeah, has the thing.
Anyway, so that was interesting.
Another legal battle came to an end, not quite as storied, but the sinking city, Frogwares
has now become the sole publisher after the long legal battle.
So that was just pretty much as of this morning.
They're going to be updating it on Steam and on Epic Games, G.O.G. etc.
They got their game back that the publisher stole.
Yeah, and their own version, that is to say, too.
Yeah, is it effective immediately?
Someone asks, yes, it is effective immediately in terms of legal and purchasing.
However, they will have to update the versions on Steam
and Epic, which is going to take a few weeks.
And they have said, like, the versions are now so different that it will break all your
saves.
So the sinking city story from a couple years ago was that in 2020, we first were talking
about it.
There was a dispute between the developers, Frogwares and Nikon, the publisher.
There was essentially a breach of contract
where the publisher was basically
holding money in royalties,
falsely implying that they owned the IP
and a bunch of other bullshit.
And then they parted and had a legal battle with the devs.
In 2021, they then...
Part of that legal battle was them taking the game and putting it on storefronts without the devs
permission in 2021 they stole the game and took a pirate version of it shoved it on steam and basically said that this is the this is the real game
without Frogwares obviously and
That was a big no-no you can't fucking do that
So they've been fighting that and then it seems like it's been wrapped up and yeah, the dev-
Good for frogwars.
The dev one, so.
Um.
That's so crazy, man.
That's so nuts.
Just like, we just took it and we were selling it and the money's ours, each shit.
Yeah.
Shoutouts cave story
Shout outs every other fucking predatory publisher moment where it's like you made this I made this it's mine
Thanks, and then in comes the money
Although when you wait that long to it it's like, well, it's a
cthulhu game, so, you know, hopefully it's it's anyway, it's one of those bits
from like the game from fighting the legal battle over the course of multiple
years means it can't like whatever updating there they've been putting put into it
I'm sure are minimal at best because money spent fighting the battles. No I can tell you right now I played that game the
day came out. Jank is fuck. So like that that's where kind of some of the drama is because
you go to the steam reviews and the steam reviews are like vitriolic they're like why
won't they update this fucking game. In the answer is they can't.
They literally can't.
But also, they're the Sherlock Holmes people, aren't they?
Yes they are.
So that, you know, I mean, those games are also jammed.
Before we got into this world where Frogware deserves to get their work not stolen from them.
We were in a world where, oh my god, Watson is teleporting. What is happening?
But yeah, there's a wild difference between a day one jank and like a year three jank,
where it's fucking weird instead of being actively broken
Mm-hmm
So yeah, there you go congrats to them
We got to find out some more details about metaphor
Refantasio showing off the setting and the world and the characters and all those big old details and guess what?
Calendar system hanging out with friends. Yeah, yeah, you can
Of course, of course, man, right? Of course, but it's a fantasy setting, you know, and it's not quite school But it's ultimately like yeah, you're gonna be you're gonna be just that's just persona sense. You're just as linking it up
but
but the thing with this world
is a quote unquote that it is a mysterious
and exciting story unfolding where people
must fight their own anxiety.
Hehehehe.
The inner shadow that I, you would have to fight in the persona world if I had to fight Wully that was just a little more mean and horny
Fine fuck it. Let's go. I got this fighting
Anxieties I'm done. It's over
Ten zero matchup you lose who the fuck is beating their anxiety? That's brutal.
That is a way worse concept.
Premise for the crew. They've already done that. That was persona 4.
You're gonna run up like the art out, aren't thou me?
I don't like taught. It's like you're gonna talk to
fucking shadow, Jinbo or whatever,
and he's gonna be like, I don't like talking
in front of crowds.
And they're gonna go, no, I love talking
in front of crowds.
And then they're gonna turn into a big boss fight.
But I, like the thing is, I don't know if it's just
like the version of you that you're denying.
Like that's more palatable.
That's like more of a thing you can challenge and wrap yourself around.
The idea that it's like the actual incarnations of that which you fear
manifest to get front of you is way more terrifying.
It's also a fantasy kingdom with all these tribes in touch
and like they're being infested with these unknown, weird, dangerous, mysterious beasts and monsters called humans.
That's... that's pretty good.
I don't know, I don't know.
Yeah!
Okay.
Right? Okay, but...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, these dangerous horrifying creatures
But then you see some of the designs they have for them
And let me see if I can grab one here
Here is
Give me a human yeah, yeah, I'm gonna know what a human look like. I'm gonna show you what a human looks like.
Uh, gross humans.
Ugh.
And on the way you get to see like the UI and it's all of its glory and just, you know,
being the fucking best.
Um, is it an eat, oh my god, so many of the chats asked if it's a EDF human? Oh my god the no no
giant frog monsters that this is a humid
yeah right over there I'm looking at right now yeah I Yeah, I'm gonna throw the link in the chat and in the show notes.
How the fuck? So you can check this picture out on the show notes if you go to the podcast page
and that's Scotland. This is a human. That just looks like the collective unconscious demon form of Scotland.
It is fucking wild and weird and creepy and it's great.
Super cool concept there.
Yeah, there's body parts floating, there's ideas, there's concepts.
There's a flagpipe, like a fleshy bagpipe being played by little tiny people.
There's a part of the monster.
An egg being hatched and and just yeah.
So those are the most dangerous and horrible things and we have to defeat the humans.
Um, but this whole game is like the collective unconscious, isn't it?
Your anxieties are coming to get you. What are you gonna do about that?
Me, I'm a fucking run.
That's so insane. That's such a fucking terrifying concept.
Yeah, and then it goes on about the setting in the world, the different tribes and your characters and stuff.
But those two elements in particular I found to be fucking strong.
I didn't think the name of the game was so literal.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
It's not metaphor re-fantasio. It's metaphor RE-fantasio as in...
Replying to...
A fantastical metaphor for...
Yeah, regarding.
applying to. A fantastical metaphor for.
Yeah, regarding.
Man.
It's so crazy how email.
That's really blunt.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's also amazing how email threads have led to Japan internalizing an aspect of English
that nobody in English actually thinks about.
Yeah. Are E.
Colin, as in just replying regarding this, you know,
a telegram language thing, it just,
it's become such a fucking titular flourish.
I really expect a villain in this game to be an old man named Carl,
at this point.
villain in this game to be an old man named Carl at this point.
Mr. S. I mean, I don't know like looking at the rest of the screenshots and everything like that, like it is very, very much a like it's leaning as far away it can from like downtown recognizable Tokyo, but that's probably because the final thing that happens will be downtown Tokyo blooming out of a flower.
You know, you know what would be great, you know, it'd be great.
Is you're just doing all this nonsense shit, and then you meet a guy and he's a guy and a fucking wheelchair in a red suit and you're like, who are you?
He's like my name Stephen. Mm-hmm. What are you doing here, Stephen? Oh, don't worry about it.
Uh, you doesn't interact with the plot at all at all in any way shape or form. In any way, you were talking about Carl J.
I thought you meant Carl S. My mistake. The hell is Carl S?
Sagan? Oh, what? What? I-I-I-I- my mistake the hell's car less um saygon oh what what i i i i know carol young of the
a collective unconscious in the creator of the term persona correct if this was a space
thing you could see the carl saygon which it the billions and billions and the pale blue dot and all that.
Yes.
Which it is not.
And then it goes into these concepts of, there's igniters and igniters are the ability to use your magical powers to defy
archetypical convention.
Wait, an igniter?
Would you say that that is evoking something?
It almost might be evoking something.
An archetype is a primordial secret power
that awakens by facing your anxieties.
Oh my god, it's...
Who on the nose?
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know yeah I'm dumbed to my own shit
I mean this is the most subtle game of all can't wait the fucking yeah that bird is on
the stoop with it's with the same fucking card can't find a new joke and I'm like, nah, I want to hear it. Let's hear it again.
Um.
And all of this through the delivered through the subtle lens of Lotus Juice.
I don't know but he might be.
You never know when a lotus juice might pop up
Is he there wherever show G's around a lotus juice might flow?
He might pour some out
You know you're having a you're having a nice moment you're having a nice fucking meal and they just added no
Rock body, body, body.
Stop making fun of Lotus Juice, he is trying his best.
Never!
I will always make fun of Lotus Juice.
No, he's trying really hard.
He's trying really hard and sometimes he makes the song better,
and sometimes he makes the song worse.
I was enjoying the dorm theme.
I didn't need him to come in and tell me to rock my body body.
You remember being jump scared by Lotus Juice in Jojo Part 2?
Oh, when?
Joseph gets into the plane.
All of a sudden, Lotus Juice is there.
I doubt, I fucking doubt.
Oh, it was weird.
It was so weird.
Man, I just remember like what one point Schmupcott Pat was describing a concert where like
I forgot her name, but the vocalist is fucking killing it and you know
Megaro's organizing it and conducting doing the whole thing and everyone's there and like when the when Lotus just comes out
He's so out of place and he just kind of like like like, fulks his way on stage and starts spitting
and getting into it and you're like,
he's weird in the office.
Concerts.
Anyway, people are pointing out that the dorm wrapping
was actually off a sample CD.
It's like a stock sound.
Slaped into that, really?
That was a sample.
Wow.
Weird. That's why it sounds so fucking weird and out of place
Oh
Coming out again soon dude. It sure is and I haven't listened to a lot of it
But about hair most of the music it remix is great
But I did catch Brennan describing the mass destruction remix as ballless
And I need to go find out if that's true or not
That's wild.
Like mass destruction is like,
So, let me see if I can find it.
Did you do a sponsored stream for Persona 5 Tactica?
Yeah.
Okay. So, in that sponsorship,
they had the disclosure stuff about like
streaming guidelines
And I can't remember what they were, but I remember looking at them and going
This is much better than usual. Yeah, it was it was actually I remember looking at I mean like this seems legitimately reasonable
But I thought I saw that and took it to be like,
that's how much they care for this particular title.
And in another title that's much more main or important,
they might get more draconian again.
Well, we'll see.
We'll see.
It was like, please don't stream the end game in 2023.
And afterwards, please put a spoiler warning in your title,
which like considering that came out like end of November or December,
like that was actually like, okay.
And I think there was pretty long.
I think there was also a please avoid this entire section of the game period
There's a there's a until a certain date, but it was like it was like it was like the post game basically
But I'm not gonna have faith that the Stegosaurus has learned from its ways, you know, yeah
Here's hoping
They've they've relaxed it for P3R.
Maybe they'll face their anxieties and fucking, you know, it's really strange.
Awake in their archetype.
A way can their art is like legitimately a brand new persona game, right?
Like there's a new persona game coming out in a week or two, right?
And it looks gorgeous, it'll have new music, et cetera.
Sure, it's the plot that we know,
but that's a good plot.
But I'm just sitting here going like,
man, I would stab like a third of those social links
if I met them in.
Like they are, like people don't remember
that like part of the original context
of, like, building your links with people
is that, like, a bunch of the people you make friends with
in Persona 3 are garbage.
Oh, terrible.
You actually make friends with fucking Satan businessman,
like, Bobby C-
You make friends with the biggest,
rhubas loser in the world with moon, trying to get you in was fucking MLM cult
And you have to keep at it
I
I forget a bunch of them, but I'm like to me. I'm like yo, there's like dying man. There's there's fucking
There's well, I mean there's there's who, you know, is there and, and the kid, um, and isn't there old lady?
Isn't there like a nice old lady?
No, that's P five, that's P four.
Okay.
Before the death or connoisseur has been right, right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
Yeah. Um, you can, um, you, yours, oh, hey, hey, Kenji, what's up?
I want to fuck my teacher.
Okay. Cool, you yours. Oh, hey, hey, Kenji. What's up? I want a fuck mark T- Mark teacher. Okay, cool, Kenji.
Um, that's good. That's cool. Maybe calm it down. Oh, I love her. All right.
Okay. Um, and then if you play as Femm C, you're like, Kenji, what's up?
I'm banging the teacher and you're like, cool, Kenji.
That's, mm-hmm.
All right.
Ken, and then also, and then Shinji becomes a viable dating option.
Enjoy it.
Well, it lasts.
Well, it lasts.
What you call it, is Tartarus, Tartarus is still Tartarus, right? They didn't, they didn't smooth that out in any way.
I brought this up though, I don't know what it was.
It was like an Xbox show or whatever where they showed a P3 trailer.
And I was like, are they gonna fucking change Tartarus, man?
It's the one thing. It's the one thing.
And then a trailer came on in which you
they, the Tardarus had wildly different visuals and had an actual design to a ton of the floors.
Hey, okay. Stuff's happening. Um, they know. Yeah. It, because it's just like making it look
prettier and do more interesting things is good, but like there should
legitimately be like conversations you're having as well like
If you just took it made the fights more interesting made the sets more interesting and let the characters talk to each other like we did in
Mementos, then I think that's fine
Is it 150?
Cause I wanna say 200.
I can't remember.
At damn, at damn.
Oh my God, hair.
It's 200.
It's 200, yeah, there you go.
It's so many more, you would think I remember feeling like
you would think it would just be 100, but it's actually not.
Wait, it's, people are saying like 250 to 260. So like it would, be a hundred, but it's actually not. Wait, it's, it people are saying like 250 to 260.
So like it would, I remember hitting a point
in which I'm like, this dungeon has too many floors.
I think, I think most people would accept 100
as the sign of like, there's a lot here,
but that's also a number that is supposed to signify
the commitment to a lot.
When you go past that and you're at like 115,
120, 120, and you're just, you know, like why?
Yeah.
Well, the issue was not the amount of floors.
There's a lot of people that fucking play dungeon crawlers
and dungeon crawling is fun.
The issue was that all the floors were functionally identical.
They were identical.
They were the same. Yes, fair.
It's a little darker this time.
You know, I am looking at a video now.
Okay, this is already significantly different.
I'm looking at a staircase inside Tardarus in one of the floors.
Because it's the part that it, you know, it's the least discussed because it's the most
forgettable. The walls are moving around. So breakables in the environment. And I just, I realized
in recommending this, you know, to punch bomb that it's like, yeah, you prepare yourself for
a grindfest that is going to be not at all anything with the characters talking or having fun
or doing anything. you just gotta-
I mean, it's still gonna be a grindfest.
That's part of the game is, hey man,
you wanna grind this shit out, but this looks like the step up,
like from, you know how the procedural dungeons
have all gotten more complex every time,
from three to four to five.
This looks like the sixth incarnation of whatever that is.
And I don't think, you don't have to hold on to the legacy of that and be like,
no, this is what it has to be.
And like, come on.
You can make this interesting.
You can make these fights have relevance.
You can make these settings and moments matter while still having their gameplay that you're
used to.
You know, I wonder if they're going to keep...
if they're going to kick up the boss a notch. Because the final boss in that game was not just
insane and ridiculous. It was also a boss that most people fought without control of their party.
I would not be surprised if they straight up gave it another phase entirely.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Are you?
Are you...
I would not be surprised. A little something for anybody who knows what to expect to be a little bit a little, a little, a little weight.
What the fuck is happening?
You think they'll just go for all 22 then?
MORE!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, so the answer will never be back ever again.
The answer was a mistake, though some of the supplemental material in like P4 Arena has
like referenced the answer just a little bit.
Do you think...
Metis has gone forever?
Do you think they're gonna have the balls to change it?
Look, the options are.
It never happened, we don't talk about it ever again.
Or it happened off camera and it's a paragraph you can read about no I mean like
the ending oh no
No, no, no, no, well no, no, no
You could but that would suck
It's the best part of the game
This is the best part of the game is ascending.
Why would you change that if you did that would suck?
I'd find that rule.
So that they could have Persona 3...
Tactica.
So that the kids can continue to have their adventures like all the other current kids
are. Yeah. Fucking, I don't know grab another fucking kid
I don't know do something if you need to
Nah, man
I I would like to think that they know the strength of each of those games
They know that the strength of three is that ending the strength of four is your culprit The strength of five is the crew heist, you know.
You need to make sure that is the biggest part of what you emphasize when you go back into this.
You God, you could fuck that up if you were to try to just redo it or change it. I don't imagine so.
What about persona three strikers?
Or scramble?
So on the three strikers, or scramble.
Ha.
Hey, I have a silly question because we were talking about a metaphor earlier.
What's metaphors color?
It doesn't have one, does it?
No, it's all over the place.
It's bright red, it's bright, it's aqu's aquamarine, uh, there's a bright orange, a bright blue, the colors are all over. A lot of the mud is red and blue mixed.
So character has the red and the blue on the, on the stuff.
So there's, there's screenshots on the pause screen of your character with blue hair and a blue background with a giant red
selection option on your menu. And then there's a red-haired character with a rabbit with big red eyes
and a big blue background. So, you know, you and what you have big blue hair and a character has
big red hair and someone else has white hair. So it's it's because I made a bunch of games back to back to back to back that had like,
this is the game's color.
60% of all things in this game will have this color to some degree.
And it's interesting to see what that team can make outside of that like self-imposed
constraint.
Yeah. Just scrolling through what they released. outside of that like self-imposed constraint.
Yeah, just scrolling through what they released, honestly,
it's red, white, and blue.
That's what it is.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, the characters represent red, white, and blue,
and the menus are all red, white, and blue, together.
These colors don't run.
Over the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I saw I realized that one of the clips inside that trailer
is the bag, the flesh bag pipe off that monster you showed,
being like the boss fight, just the flesh bag pipe.
Yeah.
Yes, red, white, and blue, totally America, not like 15 other European nations.
I don't know if we ever talked about this, but the tri-color flag is dog shit and everyone
should have a cool flag with stuff on it.
I think a stuff is cooler than not has not a stuff.
I think Ireland and Italy should have a boxing match or something to figure out
who gets to keep their existing flag.
Because they're too similar.
I like that we're like, yo, we got leaf.
Leaf is our icon.
That's dope.
We had maple syrup, it's delicious.
Shit rules, man.
Sick.
I like that, you know, it's like, yo, check out this planet.
It's a planet like Brazil.
It looks like it looks like a planet.
I thought it was stars.
Is it?
Maybe.
I love there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Just destroy the entire conversation immediately.
Just destroy the entire conversation immediately. Oh, it's there in a circle.
I thought it was a blue planet being depicted and then the text around it.
Well, damn. The curve of the... It's got a good it. Well, damn.
The curve of... It's got a good one.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
The curve of the text going around the circumference
also makes it seem like the spherical aspect of that
is being called attention to.
Good flag.
Yeah, good flag.
Good job, Brazil.
All right.
So some of that going on,
okay, here's a particularly fun one.
Tekken 8,
Harada has talked about the color blind accessibility modes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, man, this is great,
because I spoke at length. Yep
With somebody about this who has color blindness. Okay. I
Mean shade. I mean, I know men usually can weigh in and let us know how he feels about these these features when they pop up
So I saw this and I was like, oh look at that. That's there. There's a there version of it. That's cool.
And retweeted it.
And then I saw the Twitter discourse pop up following, which was like, why does this have
to be like so horrible to look at in dog shit, right?
Oh, you're talking about Erie.
You're talking about a person that I spoke to.
Right.
Okay.
So that then became a part of the conversation.
And then I saw like that evolve into like the different versions. There seems to be like a version that's just Matt color I saw that evolve into the different versions.
There seems to be a version that's just color overlay.
There's a couple different options they've had.
Now, ultimately, I will straight up say,
seeing that option where it was the take on me filter,
I was like, that's not at all,
I street fighter six day, this is very different.
And I do not look at that,
expecting to know or understand why it is the way it is.
I just assume that I'm like,
I guess there is a condition that when you consult
people who do media for treatment for this,
this is what they suggest you do,
and therefore that's why they
did this, right?
So, like, I just, that's, no, that, right, but just as to like why I just retweeted it
and went like, oh cool, okay, and moved on, because I was like, yeah, because I was like,
I assume that scientifically this is the right thing to solve a thing that I'm not
too sure how the ins and outs of it go, but I always knew that the different color blind
settings where you just change between the four or so different modes.
A couple of games have done that, and that works,
and Min has been happy with that setting.
The best is, the best seems to be when you let people
choose their own, and choose their own patterns
for what they want, so that you can have the game look normal
and then only specific things are emphasized in that way.
But when I see something like this and I go,
this looks weird to me, huh,
I've never seen anything like this.
I just assume that there's someone in a lab coat
that has figured out that this is actually
what would be helpful for people that need it.
A kind interpretation.
And that's why I was like, oh, cool, okay.
All right, so I'm gonna try and paraphrase as best as I can.
However, of course, I don't have color blindness.
I have incredible vision.
Wolley, you did not have color blindness, right?
I do not.
I'm checking his head, no.
I love how I started to say, I don't know what I said.
Like what fucking code phrase I said that Wolley said,
okay, I can start eating now because I'm not gonna talk for a bit.
But okay.
I think it was the words paraphrase.
No, it's because you did the thing where you went.
Okay.
And then that indicates that you're gonna go for a bit.
Okay, yeah, all right.
It's fun finding these things out.
Sure.
So, I don't have color blindness, but I luckily know people
with color blindness, well, in particular, but I luckily know people colorblindness,
well, in particular, one of my mods is colorblind and was the person who made the thread complaining about it,
which is Erie, who's in the chat, Hey Erie.
Also a way better loop player than I am on anything player in Street Fighter 6.
So they love fighting games, so this works out perfectly.
So they love fighting games, so this works out perfectly. So, before we go, the tweet that Willi's talking about
was kind of fucking tainted from the very beginning
because the person said, why is no one talking
about the colorblind features in Tekken 8?
And then posted a video of the low visibility filter
and not the colorblind options.
Right, okay.
All black and white, with one character
having vertical lines all over them
and one character having horizontal lines
over them, right?
Completely.
And then the background was take on me filter.
Yeah, that's not a colorblindness feature.
That is for people
who are visually impaired, completely blind,
but still technically have some vision.
That's kind of what I was thinking,
because I'm like, this is not turning greens and reds
into more distinct shapes,
or making them more distinct from each other.
This is probably someone who has a hard time making most
of what's happening on the screen,
apart from each other.
So I don't know if the terms are used nowadays, but when I learned them in school,
you would describe somebody as having sand blindness and stone blindness to determine
extremely impaired vision and basically no vision at all, but not completely blind.
It would be for these people.
People who are, got glasses thick like bubbles
from Trinaly Park Boys.
You know, it's completely blind versus completely blind.
I can see light, but that's kind of it, right?
Moving on to the color blindness features.
Now, this was something that I had always wondered about
and it was interesting to talk to people who actually do the color blindness features. Now this was something that I had always wondered about
and it was interesting to talk to people
who actually do have color blindness,
which is I always wondered why when I turned
a color blindness filter on,
it actually removed colors out of the scene
because it seems what those filters tend to do is go,
oh well, you can't see those colors,
so we're gonna remove them from the scene
and replace them with something else,
which according to people with color blindness
often works really badly because it does
like a palette crush, right?
So one of the examples that Eerie used in the thread
was Halo always did great
because you could just pick what colors the enemy team was.
And so you could pick wildly contrasting colors that you could see in the options and go,
I want them to be purple and me to be orange or whatever the fucking happens to be for your
particular color blindness. And so the tech and options basically represent like, do you
have this? So you can't see this see this we're gonna now crush the palette and
kind of turn the game into like
A soup you can see all the parts of the soup now
But all the contrast is gone and the idea is that a really good color blind option would actually be to have a game
Either as an option or as default, have wildly contrasting colors so that
they would stand out more readily instead of removing colors.
And I would also imagine giving some freedom so that people who specifically have different
versions of color blindness or are impaired in different ways can pick the version that helps them over the default, right? Yeah. The weirdest part is there's a, there's
people with monochrome color blindness, which is crazy. They see in black and white, like genuinely.
And so the monochromatic color blindness option filter for Tekken 8 turns the game monochrome.
But it doesn't seem to actually increase its contrast and it doesn't seem to actually put edges on anything.
It just makes it black and white. So it's almost like
if I wanted to simulate having monochrome color blindness, I could turn this option on.
But I don't know what it's actually supposed to do for somebody that actually has monochrome color blindness, I could turn this option on, but I don't know what it's actually supposed to do
for somebody that actually has monochrome color blindness.
And so, but yeah, from seeing that footage,
from seeing the one with like the characters replaced
with a single color silhouette, red,
or rather yellow and then blue,
and the background pulled back out and such.
It seems as if it's like,
if you have one of these very rare conditions and this is making the game information more clear to you, then it otherwise would
be like you might be in a situation where it's either this or you cannot see it at all,
right? Versus, I can see the game, but some of the features are just not as distinct from
each other as they should be leading to confusion, And I guess then I think that's what, again,
I'm in as my frame of reference
because he's the one we often talk to about this one.
He's like, I can play Mario Kart.
It's just red shells and green shells look the same.
You know, that's significantly different.
So yeah, the option would be like,
can I turn green shells to yellow shells?
Yeah, and then the rest of the experience will be more or less the same.
I know that artistically there will be times where it's like, oh, but that means now
this scene of the leaves becoming going to summer, you know, changing is kind of lost
artistically.
And it's like, yeah, that I suppose does happen.
But in a lot of cases, having the crucial option for gameplay be something that is, yeah,
selectable would probably solve the thing.
But I would like to know, though, when they have options like this that pop up in Tekken,
if they are just like, this looks like a bad, this is something that's like, this doesn't
help the person who has the issue or so, I would like to see what the logic is, and
or where the source studies were to break that down, right? Because I'm reminded of, remember how
we talked about Nintendo being afraid of the seizure causing flashes ever since their Pokemon
episode? I do remember that. So I, when I used to read the Nintendo
lot-check guidelines for their games and they would bring that part up, it would tell
you about what you can't do. It would tell you about what you can't do.
It would tell you about the exact frequencies and speed
with which colors from this range to this range
should not be intermittent with each other
across this frequency of speed.
And so on, there's a whole specific thing.
But in breaking down those regulations,
they showed you some of the information that they basically were
referring to a research study to go like, here's why, and here's what it results in.
So here's what we're trying to avoid so that you understand where that's coming from.
I'd love to see something like that with this, because again, as I said at the beginning,
my assumption when I see something new like this for the first time is that, oh shit,
someone who figured this out that deals with this knows that this is probably a better way to go that I've never thought of.
I think about when I went to Japan and I saw the bumps on the ground in the train stations.
And I was like, what are these bumps? What is this? And it's like this is to help someone who's blind, feel their way through everywhere from the subway to the sidewalk to the building they're going to.
And it's for like using your, you can feel your way through the city and stop at every intersection.
And it's like, oh shit, I've never conceived of this.
That's pretty smart.
Okay, cool.
Got it, you know.
So I just take that for granted, I think here.
So there's some more fun things, particularly now that you mentioned epilepsy.
So before I forget, we have Eerie Colorblind person
in the chat pointing out that there are global standards
for colorblind accessibility, but those are primarily
for TV and other informative media.
They're not for games, right?
Because games have different design sensibilities,
I suppose, and standards.
There's also this wonderful R's technical article
in which EA games is head of accessibility.
We'll have to tell people stop sending me that tech and shit
because it was causing them debilitating
migraines, a nausea.
Pfft.
Pfft.
And there was some discussion that the accessibility thing for low visibility people,
which is the stripes and the white background, is violent to a lot of people's perceptions
and can make you sick. Huh. So that begs the question,
who on the team is the accessibility consultant
that basically said this was a good idea?
Cause sure, like, they don't just wing
and pull that out and go, here you go.
This is what we're gonna, like,
there's gotta be someone there referencing that was like,
this is what you should do, there's gotta be someone there referencing that was like, this is what you should do,
and this will help, right?
It would be wild to think that without an actual consultant
that was referencing any of these documents,
they just winged it.
Technical people pointed out that this particular
low visibility feature is so extreme
that it's probably going to cause people
to discover their epilepsy.
This striped version. And the Ars Tactical Idol specifically mentions
Porgon, the Porgon episode in 97, as the last example. And again, I've seen it from other people,
but also from Iri and the chat that they had a friend who had a seizure looking at this Twitter
clip. That's insane.
Jesus Christ.
This high visibility colorblind filter, okay, I'll turn that on and you may in fact have a fucking
seizure as a result.
It's not just like incompetent.
It's irresponsible.
Yeah. it's irresponsible. Yeah, and Barra's mentioning that this appears to be one mode of like the many different
things and features they've put in, and I don't know like if any of those are equally
as dangerous or if this is the worst of it, but yeah, there's a lot of people that are
saying that effectively this doesn't help, or if it does help for some people, it's potentially dangerous to others.
So this is a weird...
Like, you've seen this clip with the stripes.
It's unpleasant to look at.
Yeah.
I suffer from migraines quite often.
And I can tell you right now that if I had to look at that for more than 45 seconds
I would probably start to get violently ill
So that's it. I just I'm like I'm like that's that seems like a this is the first time I've ever seen an attempt at
accessibility like kind of land in this place where it's like oh this is this is actually making it worse for a lot of people and
This is actually making it worse for a lot of people. And you would just assume that, yeah,
there would be enough documentation to point back to
that they can explain why they tried to do this or so.
Or...
This whole conversation's just so fucking...
It was framed in the worst possible way because like,
wow, look at this color blind people and color blind people
Oh, it's hurting me and it's like oh wait, it's not for color blind people. It's actually for like semi blind people
And it's a completely different thing
And then and people without color blind as go wow, this is really great. Oh, it's hurting me too. Oh
hurting me too. Oh, oh.
Like, will we live in the world with the lemonade that kills you
and the car that tries to run people over
and the body lotion that attracts spiders?
I don't know if you know about that one.
And now the video game that makes you throw up.
I guess so.
I just like, this is the first time I'm seeing
accessibility bad actually. and it's like oh
fuck you have to be careful how you implement this shit to not make it worse yeah
who's the right person to talk to to get the correct thing because I you have
to imagine like with we when it came to multiple games and and studios that
it's like there's someone here that's like going to make suggestions
for what you guys program and implement into this.
What Street Fighter 6 there absolutely was someone who did that to make sure the game could
be played blindly in it.
So, there's a big problem with the context of who do you talk to because typically when
you're making some kind of capital product you go all right
We want to do something for the blinds. Let's go get us a blind person
Okay, what do we need to do singular blind person?
Okay, we're gonna implement all that shit. We did it
right right right right right and Okay, we're gonna implement all that shit. We did it.
Right, right, right, right, right. And over time, there were eventually,
there eventually there were things like able gamers
and various like organizations that were like,
hey, we've figured out some accessibility guidelines
you can follow if you wanna implement them.
We've wrote them down here,
and if you wanna consult with them. We've wrote them down here and if you want to consult with us
We can do that like those things do
Exist now and are much better, but
Were they consulted here? How did this come to be who the fuck knows, you know, but yeah
Good try sorry you ended up hurting people on it. Maybe take it back in.
Try it again.
And try it again.
Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, when they were making accessibility options for people with
extremely low visibility, switched it to sound. Instead of trying to somehow reach people that can basically barely see the screen,
because those options are horrible.
And I guess, yeah, for me, I'm just like, okay,
well, maybe the next time one of these features drops,
like I look at it and I go, damn, that's crazy.
I don't know who that's for, but I guess it helps.
I hope that's good.
It's like, okay, let's check to see if anyone
who has it in the target audience is like,
actually, this doesn't help, it hurts.
Also, I will say, because people,
the tendency of non-disabled person
is to look at the resources that goes
into disability accommodations and go,
well, I don't have that shit,
I'm gonna fuck about that shit.
Let the guy crawl up the stairs
and drag his wheelchair behind him, I don't give a fuck.
But disability accommodations, even in video games, tend to be good for everybody. And if you want an example that has made
damn near everyone, I've ever spoken to about it happy is fucking having an option in the
menus under accessibility to change rapid tapping of the button to just hold the button.
Yep, always. No need to, no need to mash. Mashing's done. I changed that every single time I can find it.
Um,
and subtitles. Subtitles, the all time fucking go.
People are going to need you to aggressively describe the spiders.
Oh, yes, the four put out a fucking body lotion that
causes wolf spiders to attack you
Sick didn't catch that one somehow
It's cuz it's got spider-fair mones in it. Uh-huh
We're and I suppose we we found this out due to a couple of consumer reviews consumer reports. Yeah, okay. All right. Yeah
Yeah, just lots of consumer reviews and people talking on social media going is anybody noticing a lot of spiders once you got this in the mail
Shout-outs to Charlie on here at
Say in a fill in a humidifier with Pinarra lemonade and closing the garage door
Oh, yo buttons had some of the pen error lemonade Recently was like it's actually like kind of bland and you would expect that the lemonade that kills you
Would be like super flavorful and it was like a big discipline
God
All right God! Alright, um...
Anyway, uh, good shit aside. Uh...
There was a... Just a little, just a little, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, actually, this one's for me just to just to just to just to get the the the the the water off my back for a bit, but
yes, there is a documentary
About reboot called reboot rewind that's currently in the works and the people behind that documentary Jake of Weldon and
Raquel Lynn
found the digital master tapes of the 3D series reboot.
We got them, we found the tapes, we got all of them.
And they're trying to figure out how to copy them
over and D1 machines are not easy to find.
And if they can.
They're tapes, man.
Yes.
And I've been talking to Raquel about this documentary
for some time, hearing about how things are going and it sounds pretty cool
and there's going to be some good developments and stuff. So yes, I've heard of it and yes,
it's exciting and yes, I know the people have halved it. Did people still have the audacity to come
up to you and be like, will you, have you heard about this reboot thing? Every single day.
Will you're writing 50, 60 reboots a week for the internet at large? Every single day.
60 reboot. That's a week for the internet.
A large, every single day.
You know, but that's cool.
Well, that's cool.
So shout outs, Rick L. and everyone check out reboot rewind when it's ready to drop.
And then another, another for me, little thing has happened.
But the slightest bit of news, someone crossed paths
with Takahiko Innoway and asked him, hey, that big basketball movie that happened was
pretty cool, would you be interested in seeing other stuff that you did, turn into movies,
and he basically went, yeah, actually, I need to resume real the basketball manga and
a vagabond, those are both kind of, they stopped, but I'd like to go back the basketball manga and a bag of bond.
Those are both kind of they stopped, but I'd like to go back to them and I do want to I
know I still feel like doing it.
So sorry about that, but he's indicated that he feels like he wants to do something with
it.
That's interesting to hear.
And if that means nothing, if it's all a lie,
if he's actually like, you know what, never mind,
so be it, that's fine too, because I've said it before,
but the place it leaves off on is one that I can understand
that feeling.
And like, having just went, having gone through it again
not too long ago, just like remembering remembering how and why he feels so bad about
where it goes. I get it. I get why he feels like it drains him so much and stuff. But there's
a spark of a hope of a thought that maybe he might return to drawing some vagabond and reel,
which is out of serialization, mind you. So it's actually or back in serialization. So that's
officially supposed to happen. Um, anyway.
Hey, that new KC Edwards Devil May Cry theme song is for pinnacle of combat.
Womp, womp, no shit.
But doesn't matter because it's still KC Edwards and it's still with the vocalist, uh, the previous tracks as well.
And it's still a Dante and Virgil theme song. It's
supposed to represent them both lyrically and stylistically and it's called fire
inside and the song is probably still gonna fucking slap. It's just you know
it's it's for the mobile. Looking forward to the music though there's no reason
there's no reason that the track itself can't be fucking sick
Yeah, it's if it's any excuse to get more KC Edwards music man, let's do it
Do music for dragons dog, man, I don't care how much it doesn't make any sense
KC Edwards should do the new fucking pop song for dragons dog with two
sequel to into Free. Come on. Well, I mean, it could have been worse. Instead of getting Casey Edwards on the job, they
could have just gotten some AI to get it together and take a crack at it and see if they could
emulate one of those, one of those tracks and oh no don't I people were like I can't
prove that it's not stolen because we don't know where it's coming from wow
this time Dante has a mustache and we didn't put it there intentionally So, oh god, okay, so first, Xbox put out a Christmas themed postcard for ID and Xbox
promoting indie games.
And it was seemingly just a little like, hey, what are your favorite Indies and kids playing
around a little Christmas sled and an Xbox snow themed thing is going down.
And then when you zoom in closer, you can see the children are maneuvering the sleds and
the cranks are attached to nothing.
And you can see that people are fishing in the snow, but there's weird black tendrils
that are hooked onto nothing.
And then there's a dude playing with a handheld, but he has his top lip that's just made up
of teeth.
And then some of the kids jumping in the snow
have moustaches.
And it's just,
I don't even know about this.
It's fucking wild.
And like the thing that people are pointing out is like,
it's really, it's dumb and shitty enough
when like it's an Xbox, you know,
AI-generated picture here and it's fucking ghoulish.
But this is from ID and Xbox,
which is particularly marketed as like the human facing team
that handles the Indies,
and they always come out with the T-shirts,
and they're like, yeah, we're working on getting the right,
funding to the right small groups,
and there's much more of a human element
inside of the giant megacorp, you know, that is Microsoft. So like,
of all the places for it to come from, coming from ID at Xbox in particular is just a little bit of
extra fucking sting on it. It's funny. I thought you were going to talk about something totally
different about AI. Well, there's a second part of this. And that's the part where mid-journey is now a part of a class action lawsuit being brought.
Why is that?
Because it turns out that stability, AI, deviant art, and mid-journey, the, the, you know,
everyone involved in the process, has been keeping a list of artists.
I mean, this is pretty obvious, but it's like they found the smoking gun.
Everyone knows what this is.
A little little document myself.
Everyone knows when you see the props that say, uh, uh,
fucking art germ Stanley Lau, what that means.
But regardless, um, yeah, they found the actual list of artists who they're
referencing.
They found the discord conversations between the devs in particular who are
talking about training.
It on the 16 or so thousand artists coming from the list, a devian art of course being
involved as nuts because they're the site that has the archive.
And then someone in the same dev discord makes reference to conveniently forgetting the
sources once it's learned and been trained on them. So, you know, not only...
Not only bad Discord DMs to get out.
Right. Not only here's the people we should train it on, the styles that they call them
and all the artists by name, including the ones in the lawsuit who brought it forward,
but straight up the adheres how we delete the evidence after the fact.
And then when people were looking at that for a couple days, they were all and then deleted
the Google Doc, which is like you dumb idiots. It's so too late. You fucking morons. You
just adding more crimes to your existing crimes. So, uh, yeah, class action lawsuit starting this month,
or rather started in January of last year, excuse me.
There's a huge smoking gun, big one, it a big one.
Also, fucking New York Times is suing Microsoft
because open AI, which is Microsoft's,
just steals entire newspaper articles
and post them as if they were answers.
Uh, and New York Times put out like a 200 something page,
like fucking legal brief that's like, here's how the robot steals
every newspaper article you've ever seen in your damn life.
And they're just word for word copies
as if they were like generated
results.
So yeah, this particular mid-journey one in the next 10 days or so is going to be having
its first motions and hearings and stuff.
So it's fun that we have moved on to the point
of digital technology that every couple of years,
we are inundated with the new scam.
Crypto to NFTs, to AI.
And watching a bunch of companies run by boomers
that don't understand the fucking phone that their
grandkids told them to get, making decisions that affect everyone's digital life, and just
buying into these fucking scams over and over. Like fucking Square Enix is still on that NFT shit,
they're one scam behind. Yeah, I think the push towards what do they call it and Capistan?
The push towards ad Capistan is in full effect.
There's never been a clearer concerted effort on all fronts every single year. Let's see where these lawsuits go.
The idea that DeviantArt2, that's kind of wild because I didn't know that DeviantArt was actually
behind it. I wasn't paying attention that I didn't catch that like the place where all artists upload their things, the catalog itself, the, of course, are the ones who are using it this way, you know.
Um, so it goes like to me, I hear that and I just like, like your AI generating pictures
and you've decided to scrape deviant art. Like, do you know what you're
putting into your robot? I mean, I just like, like, I want to see the
challenge, the real, here's the real challenge, okay? Using mid-jury, create a photo
realistic hedgehog. You can't, you can't, it will, you can't create a photo realistic hedgehog. Oh no.
You can't.
You can't.
You can't create a photo.
The word hedgehog will never create a realistic one.
Yeah, there's no such thing as a real hedgehog.
There's no such thing.
It's been sorted.
It's done.
It will be inflated and it will have spikes.
All right. will be inflated and it will have spikes.
All right.
I feel like the shock value on like pumping up Sonic as a balloon
has like allowed what must be an extremely niche thing
to just enter into all of our lives and be unescapable. I mean the thing that I like about it is that a lot of this like
the threatening nature of some of the the worst of what we've come across on the
internet requires you to be need deep in need deep in it, so to speak,
right? Look around and go, oh god, oh no, where am I? But this particular flavor, all you need is
a Sonic character like Rooosh and then a little gas-cadester-
Stet- or a bicycle-pump. Just next to her. And that's it.
All you need is just the character
and then an inanimate object in the frame
and the threat is already there
and it's never been more dangerous.
It's cursed already, just the basic object.
You know the deal.
In my Alan Wake streams, I would occasionally
pretend that I was Alan writing Sonic fanfiction and the vitriolic
response that I would see in chat was so it was like maybe the most extreme I've ever
seen the audience turn against me and I'm pretty sure people started to leave.
Which only made me do it harder because it's so funny to me.
Oh damn dude.
Yeah, there you go, there's your challenge.
Let's take some letters.
If you want to send in a letter, send it to castlesuperbestmail.gmail.com.
If it's a short letter with a good question, we're
much more likely to answer it than if it's a long letter with a shitty question.
Alright, we got one coming in from Luke. He says, Hey guys, what is the most underrated
but impressive strength of feet you see in media? For me, it's always the dead hang or
a wall climb while holding someone else. Before I was an athlete, I never understood how hard it would be until I progressed to my
first pull-up.
Now the idea of someone holding up a cliff side with one arm while holding onto another 200
pound person is insanely impressive.
Yeah, no, you know when somebody's hanging off a cliff and they pull themselves all
the way up, like holy f-
Madness, complete madness.
Honestly, just jumping onto a surface that's at least like shoulder height
is wildly impressive.
I think sometimes I see in a movie,
somebody is running and they run for like a minute
and then they don't get tired.
And then they're not breathing heavy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Oh, fuck.
Oh, man.
Whoa.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's wild. Um, I guess it's not well, it's not really a contrivance,
but it's also like the impact it takes to hit someone either from the front or from behind and
knock them out for sure is not an easy guarantee. There's a lot of places you can hit that are just gonna cause a lot of damage
and have the person go, ah!
Oh, you know what?
You know what I have one, genuinely.
You know when you see somebody, like you're watching like a fight scene or whatever
and somebody grabs somebody, it does like a judo throw over and then they
just run on their back.
Yeah.
They just immediately jump up.
Yeah, it's about its back.
I'm like, dude, I mean, that happened to me.
I can't even imagine like anything other than trying not
to piss myself.
It hurts so bad.
It hurts so bad.
And all your wins shoots out and you get paralyzed.
Yeah, I think, I think if you've been trained for it,
you have the instinct to fall properly and do the hand spread so you diffuse the impact so that might help somewhat.
But yeah, I'm going to also go with the thing I only see in anime is knocking people out
by punching them in the stomach, right?
The soft way to be like, I'm not gonna let that girl go into danger.
So I'm gonna go, ugh, and she's gonna go,
ugh, and then pass out.
And it's the gentle way.
And it's like, I mean, I don't know if that's true or not.
I haven't hit many women in the stomach.
That's insane.
How would that not just have the,
what I just said to any women in the stomach?
Like, can I roll that back?
He didn't done. Rolled back. Okay. Okay. Alright. Yeah. Um, how is that not just going to
be fucking barfing up lunch and just immediate like horrible, horrible damage? It's wild
that they did. They picked fucking punch to the stomach as this is a soft way to make someone fall asleep.
Wow.
Anyway.
All right.
Here's one coming in from Wallace says, Hey, Pooley and watch, shortened
simple. We see alpha gameplay and trailers all the time bullshit.
You don't. short and simple. We see Alpha gameplay and trailers all the time. Bullshit. We see companies
talking about access to Betas, pre-order, Yadiyatta, but will you have an actut of experience with
this? Can you actually explain the difference between marketing alphas and Betas and actual alphas
and Betas? Thanks in advance. Before you go into this I my only piece is that every time you see pre alpha gameplay on a trailer
It is it's like it's hilarious now that's pretty off me
Yeah
Pre alpha on the trailer is just you can't blame us for everything you see this is so so so far in advance
It's not even close to being done even though it looks super duper polished shut up.
It's real simple. There's big, you can go into the, every different studio has different specific versions of it,
but broad strokes are such that a game will at first have a prototype, which is just the concepts of the
of the game being tested, the main things working in some sort of test environment, nothing to it.
There'll be a vertical slice, which is testing out
the actual production pipeline to see if you can make
a full level, full music, full assets,
full design elements, and put it all together
into one piece of the game, usually a set piece
or something like that to make sure you can get
from top to bottom for this.
And when that type of thing works and gets greenlit and people like what they see, you
can begin pre-production.
That's just putting all the ideas for the entire thing together.
And then yeah, when it comes to alpha and beta and all that shit, it's real simple.
Alpha means your build is code complete. So it has everything that makes it functional in it,
even if the graphics are missing,
even if sound is missing,
the code is all there to make the character
do what it needs to do to make the gameplay work
in the way it needs to work
and make the systems work in the way they need to work.
So alpha is just code complete.
Beta is content complete. So now all those missing
assets are expected to be there. You know, the stages are supposed to be lit. You're supposed
to have, you know, all the art and music and and and everything cut scenes, et cetera,
that we're missing now come in to dress up the code so that it's now content complete.
And then after that, they polish until you get a release candidate.
The release candidate is exactly what it sounds like.
It's what you submit to Microsoft Sony Nintendo
to make sure that the game is ready to launch.
And it's supposed to be final.
And then when it is, you get the gold master,
which is the release build.
So that's as simple as it is.
What about when they say, hey, do you
want to play the open beta?
And it's two weeks before the games were
Stayed
Yeah, those are called lies actually it's such a fucking pile of shit. It's so embarrassing the games being shipped to stores and trucks man
So funny yeah, so you get your release build and then sometimes you go back and you say, nah, this is late
beta.
You're like, motherfucker.
This past submission, what are you talking about late beta?
It's game coming out in two weeks and it hasn't been delayed.
It can't be beta anymore.
It must be released candidate.
Pre-alpha.
For fuck's sake, pre-alpha is like a fucking gray box pile of shit that doesn't work.
The characters you see running around in Twitter environments inside of like just unity,
that's all prototyping. And then, you know, when you see like the number of stages segmented in
the number of moments pop up, but characters kind of just like teapots their way through the cutscenes,
that could be co-complete alpha, you know, but yeah, the everything that looks and sounds kind of pretty, that isn't just a vertical slice, it's just you're being lied to.
At the same time, if a studio is particularly, you know, has the time and budget and such, what you will see is a game that hits content complete, and then enters round one of 80 polishing phases, right? And so there
are times where a game will just be like, yeah, we're polishing for the next year. You know,
a rock star game is going to polish for the next year or two. When you when you're at a
certain scale in size, like you just you your production pipeline becomes much different.
You finish the game off early and then you spend the whole time polishing,
and while you're polishing,
like literally updating references
and script and changing things and making jokes
and all those bits and pieces to keep it somewhat relevant.
The only thing I can think of that,
like most people would be able to grab a hold of
and be like, oh, that's what it's like.
It's like, Hades was in a beta state for like a while.
Like, not all the content was in the early access state, the ending and the postgame was,
but like that first part, like up until the Hades boss fight was done for like a really long time.
And then they were pushing this and fixing that and cleaning this and just giving it that polish
All right last one coming in from Jay says hey dudes when you first started dating
How long was it until you broke the fart barrier?
My girl doesn't believe the fart barrier is a thing
You try and keep that going until you're married if you can.
So I established, personally, I established, the far barrier, before how much you're
going to let it rock in front of your partner. I have a courteous and stern but fair system in place,
which is I try every time to move away.
I will get up and move away, I'll take it elsewhere,
I'll go, if there's a bathroom, whatever,
I'll keep it away from you because it's an attack.
It's an attack.
And because of the courtesy of that,
I'm gonna try to be like, yeah,
I'll just generally go over there and keep a distance.
However, if warfare starts, not only will I escalate,
but I will end it.
So unless it is in a time of war or unless a fucking,
or unless a particularly funny punchline calls for it.
I'm gonna be courteous enough to try to move away
so that you don't feel attacked by the gases,
but if you wanna fucking throw down,
you're not making out of this battle alive.
I will throw down and you're not gonna like the results.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I forget how long it was, but I went like a year or more, and I would leave.
And Paige was like, dude, where are you going?
I was like, nowhere.
Okay, okay.
And eventually she's like, it's too much,
you're gonna get sick or something.
Just chill out with the farting.
And that was the biggest mistake she's ever made in our entire relationship.
Um, because now that I let go of that anxiety,
you can't put the, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
That's where.
Uh, and that being said, um, uh, there's, there's dating, then there's marriage.
Uh, and there's like discovering the brooms that you are and are not allowed to.
So, um, and you could just throw. So, it's a day.
And you can just throw that whole topic right out the window after the baby shits all over you.
Yeah, okay.
Because your standards and your context
has changed dramatically.
Okay.
Ha ha.
Fair.
I mean, just for what it's worth, you know,
I maintain a civil diplomacy.
Things are generally peaceful, but every once in a while, when someone gets uppity and a little bit rude,
and might try to start some shit, there is a very, very thorough
countermeasure.
We do not negotiate with terrorists.
We come in guns blazing and we turn it into a parking lot.
This is what happens.
We have almost, we have gotten into an argument
about this so intense that we almost flew off
the side of the road at one point because arguing it was happening and retaliation was occurring.
Not in the car, not in the not while driving.
Car being my wife, the side of the retaliation wasn't enough And so she used the driver's side window buttons
and locks to trap me.
Okay, while operating a massive megaton vehicle,
like we're on the highway and like the windows are rolling up
and I'm like, I'm just gonna open the door and then the
doors lock and I'm like you psycho. This literally that is that is a death wish that is apps just
to have anyone in the driver's seat get assaulted and have their senses just a just a real like oh yeah, yeah
situation. Oh God. Yeah, okay. There it is and and and and and you know
like I Get I've described the analogy for at a at a certain point when baby learns that baby's not the only one that can create a stink
when baby learns that baby's not the only one that can create a stink.
Yeah.
I tell you what though,
having a tiny little baby man around
is completely contextualized as everything,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever, parent stuff.
But it changes one thing.
You remember when you were a kid and like younger
and like just farts were the absolute like peak hilarity
because the funny noise out your butt.
When you get a baby, it's back in the style
because farting and going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yes.
Hell yeah.
It's so funny.
And what's better than...
Give them a kiss like, hey man, what's up?
And then he laughs in your face? Laps in your face?
And when it's babies turn to be on the receiving end,
you get to watch a baby fighting a ghost.
Just, yeah. Ah's right, a hundred.
Oh, there you go.
All right?
All right, there you go.
Have a good day, everybody.
Good bye. Thank you.