Castle Super Beast - CSB 282: Capcom Saved the Rising Tackle

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 ["Sailor Moon Theme"] Hello! They, they, they actually did it! What's that? They actually, finally, made Rising Tackle cool. So he does the spin, and then I was like, it still looks stupid, and then I watched it again. I watched it again. and the final key pose of him doing Rising Fang, if he calls it Rising Fang, is actually Buster Wolf upside down.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Yes, and he's got, it's the dynamic aspect, if he's got the fist punching, you've got the geyser popping out the back of the head. And he's got his legs in that stance. The leg is in the twist. But he's bracing himself on the air above him. Right? And so you took this stupid upside down leg sticking out like an uppercut,
Starting point is 00:01:36 and you made it so that it's a spin that ends in an impact that the counter revolution of the way he's spinning, your body stops it and then the blast goes through you and you made this dumb spin actually cool. I can't believe you saved it. So Capcom saved the rise in tackle. Terry Bogard is coming to Street Fighter VI on September 20 something in just a month. And they showed, I read the PlayStation blog, I'm
Starting point is 00:02:05 sure you did. And he has every move he has ever had. Yeah, everything from all variations of his things. He has rising tackle and power dunk. He has his dash shoulder he's got power tackle he's got power wave close power wave far round wave anti-air ground right you've got the the fucking line shift system so I saw people talking about that I'm like dude he does line shift I'm like why does he do line shift and I'm watching it like he is jumping into the background Because one of his target combos has a side swap built in That's fucking crazy the line sway system is what set fatal fury and
Starting point is 00:03:01 real bout back in the day apart because you had the ability to jump into a background and avoid attacks. They kind of simplified it into a dodge in some of the other SNK games, but now he does it in Street Fighter and completely makes Luke whiff, which is nuts. A complete evasion. His animation on Rising Tackle is the same as it always was, but that animation is really stupid. So I went and took a look at it.
Starting point is 00:03:29 So that's his shoryuken. It is a direct shoryuken equivalent. It's pseudo invincible. It goes up at the same angle. But I'm like, the animation is so dumb that he crouches down and starts to tilt up and that's the hit. Like he's still on the floor crouching. He hasn't even moved into the animation.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the strike. That's what they've done. Because Rising Tackle's stupid. It's been that, right? But the flip upside down into the multi-spin, you know, was just always so dumb. And it's like they added that Wind up and hit at the end and it looks awesome. I can't believe it looks so cool. It's also have you
Starting point is 00:04:13 The so his ex power wave will fucking carry you carries you across Right and then he can drive rush afterwards and get a pick up Right and then he can drive rush afterwards and get a pick up He gets he puts the jacket on and you get costume to looking incredible and You're gonna be I'm gonna be costume to the whole the whole time. It's in crits super sick But his wind pose is he does the hat toss? But first he does a power geyser where he's standing and lets it erupt around him as he tosses the hat off Terry Bogard looks fucking awesome So I went and watched the Japanese trailer did you watch the Japanese trailer I didn't if you switch Terry to Japanese
Starting point is 00:05:01 Come on come on. Hey, hey. And he sounds just like he's always sounded with his terrible English. Perfect. Perfect. But it's weird because the character in World Tour and during his win quote will still speak like normal regular person Japanese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But all of his fight moves are all burnaku and shit. And you know what too as well, like all the stuff with the close-ups and everything from the teaser like I was wondering about that and it's like it yeah when you see it in action here with the hat and with the the hair which like part of his face is obscured he his face looks fine he's got a big nose he's a big nose dude and like you he's always had part
Starting point is 00:05:42 of this part of his face obscured, you know, as a detail. And I think with the hat on, or with the hair kind of blocking as well, and you see him kind of like in a lot of those poses, I think it looks totally fine. In action, the way the jacket sways and everything on him, like all the secondary animation, looks fucking incredible, man. It's the best he's looked ever So I said this a little while ago, and it was When we talked about how he looked and I said the way we care about his model is gonna depend entirely on how Tilted his head down is that's it and how much of his hat covers his face
Starting point is 00:06:21 And I'm looking at him in his idol right now and he is like got his head down and a lot of his moves have his head turn away. And it's like he needs to have a big nose or else his nose isn't readable in Street Fighter 6's like visual aesthetic. Yeah, the profile photo, the render of him on the official website kind of shows you that same profile as well. It looks absolutely correct. His eyes are almost never visible when he's doing his punches.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Yeah, so he's coming into Metro City because they opened up a Pow Pow Cafe. You can see- Took a cab. Exactly. they opened up a pow-pow cafe and you can see like took a cab exactly you can see a Blue Mary in the background you can see Joe Higashi there and I think you see Richard Meyer as well like behind the bar you know I mean that makes sense right so it's his cafe yeah he's hanging out looking awesome and you know I just realized he has unique animations for his two
Starting point is 00:07:25 costumes yes because you see him put the jacket on when he jumps and lands jacket up assumingly yeah yes like he totally only character I think that has separate animations I think it's the same I think it'll be the same movement but like the accessory will just behave differently on him whether it's hat or no or jacket, you know And something as well that they've managed to solve because his move set has always been this like very low very ranged thing across all these games Every character in Street Fighter 6 has a level 2 super that is a utility thing It's not just a damaging super it serves a specific purpose
Starting point is 00:08:02 Listen, this one's gonna go through fireballs because the level one doesn't go through fireballs. It has multiple applications or so right and here it's like okay we have a lot of moves to homage we need to homage Buster Wolf. A lot. We have like a enormous amount. Yeah so how do we do two for one here so it's like, you get Buster Wolf as his level one, and then level two, it's the triple geyser. But something I always loved and I was talking about it recently
Starting point is 00:08:32 because Capcom, because they just released SVC chaos, which is the game where you have to manually input and you can change the timing of each of the follow ups of the power geyser when you do 123, you know, or you can like hit it at different angles and here they go, you spend it as your level two to get that first pop. Then you can use three drive bars to get a second one or you the third, if that hits and then you use your third bar to get all three. So you can straight up like spend as you need need to to get one. Do you want like classic power power geyser? Which is the single pop or do you want twin guys are a power geyser, which is pop up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah, or you know, I'm I'm I don't know if the timing will be variable But because in some games he had like the pop-up bow and some he had boom boom boom So either way you get to spend your resources and they're not gonna send you into burnout to do it either you know they're switching from one cash-out option to the other so it's interesting to give them that you know and then yeah brand new move for the level 3 that just looks fucking sick and the thing is what we probably saw there is the regular level 3 version, right? So the critical art. Yeah, we never see the critical art in the trailer.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Yeah, what's that going to be? You know, like an even more crazy desperate version of it? Like do they block it midair and then he like forces his way through or slams you back down to the ground? I can only imagine they will somehow find like forbidden power, the way to get in there. The punch slams you back to the ground and then he drops on top Lost power. Yeah, yeah power. That's it. Maybe maybe you know find a way to homage the fucking Just have the move just have the exact sequence because remember when he fights Mars and he's like he flies up
Starting point is 00:10:21 Mmm, just have that sequence the sequence right before Mars hits him with that beam. Anything to homage those fucking anime movies. Whatever you can do, man. Yeah, so real, real happy with that. And, you know, we're going to see as well how John World Tour learns from him and what is his, I imagine every one of his sentences is gonna be just like a Bunch of ref like like characters and landlord whatnot being dropped But Yeah, is he gonna be a deadbeat teacher You know like like
Starting point is 00:11:01 Like he would like with rock or it's like okay. I'm on the couch most of the time Go get me some fucking pizza as my as my gift to get my hey Why are you what are you doing in metro city? Oh, I have a lot of credit card debt Yeah, look at work actually, you know if you could find it Yeah, no actually you know if you could find any yeah no that's that's rad even they said they mentioned though as well like you have like quick knuckle so you have bird you have the full like when you use heavy you get the full hands out burn it's almost like a smash brothers character in that it's like hey are you
Starting point is 00:11:40 holding the button yeah yeah one Medium is gonna be the regular where he doesn't do the hand extension. And then the one-two quick knuckle is that's a real bout thing. So here you're getting a fusion of real bout Terry and Fatal Fury Terry. And a goddamn fucking return to the line sway system. I never thought that,
Starting point is 00:12:04 it would be insane to have a character jump into the background and just stand there in a way where no one could touch them it makes sense that they put it into his target combo because it's it's functionally the same as that you like phasing through to side swap complete invincibility right is insane but then again if you think about how like claw Vega he wasn't shooting back in the day jumping on the wall and crawling around around on the wall which basically invincible and shit that's basically a line a line sway system you know so yeah I'm running into
Starting point is 00:12:40 the specific fighting game thing where every time a DLC character comes out I'm running into the specific fighting game thing Where every time a DLC character comes out? I'm oh, that's the character I want to play like they've really nailed it because like this the starting cast for Street Fighter 6 is really strong But then every time another one comes out. I'm like, oh man. Akki looks super good. It looks good Oh Akuma and I've been playing bison Non-stop and I'm like, oh my god, switch over to Terry? Like I'm gonna see that's there That's the right feeling with each one being like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right good shit I'm not gonna feel that way for Mai. No, like I don't like playing as Mai I like well the thing is is I'm not gonna feel that way
Starting point is 00:13:22 But I also it's gonna depend for me on how much air mobility she gets because I love my When she has like three or four different dive kick variation. Well, she has to have more than Jury and Kimberly. Yes, and they have a lot so the kof 11 my that gets the dive and then the So the KOF 11 Mai that gets the dive and then the butt diagonal and then the straight down knee cross up and like every possible angle and then off the wall as well, that's the shit I want. If I can move like that then yeah, I'm all about it. Oh and we got to see Mai's second costume for Street Fighter VI today.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Oh yes, yeah yeah I guess indirectly. So that's the other bit is you get the Mairo Noe trailer for City of the Wolves. So she's basically wearing a leather outfit that is not the Falcoon design I expected, but is actually, looks more like the Spy Girl from Maximum Impact, you know? It's with the kind of open shirt and stuff. the spy girl from Maximum Impact, you know? It's with the kind of open shirt and stuff. And they very quickly went, by the way, the old costumes there, don't worry. Don't worry, you know, don't get mad.
Starting point is 00:14:33 We still have the classic costume. But yeah, it's her with the updated look now, which I guess makes sense given like, you know, Andy got a newer look and such, and we're seeing a Billy Kane too, which he's one where I'm like, I don't hate it, but the bandana is so like crucial. And the new Billy Kane look as well, I kind of feel like it, it give me a bandana variation of that, you know, the outfit can change,
Starting point is 00:15:02 but him in a suit, or not, whatever the case is, the bandana is the part that looks cool. They change, but him in a suit or not, whatever the case is, the bandana is the part that looks cool. So yeah, they showed off Terry, there was the Mai release, and then at the end of that, they showed a thing that was like special edition. So the base game is going to have 17 characters, and then the first season pass will have an extra five. So 22 total and it's gonna and like it seems like you're kind of They're launching the base and dlc
Starting point is 00:15:36 Season one together But they're calling it special edition. It's confusing. It's really weird because there's no base. Yeah, we'll figure it out when it comes out Yeah, but there's but anyway So like the only version of the game you can get is the special edition which comes with that season Or whatever, but yeah, 22 is a pretty good starting roster count You know, I feel looking at you to XKO Or 22 is pretty good or hunter net impact, you know, it's not a team game though, right? 22 on a on a 1v1 is quite, that's quite good. That's quite solid.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Custom colors is fucking crazy because we used to get that back in the old days on the Dreamcast fighting games. You'd be able to color your own CVS costumes and shit. Just make the ugliest fucking piece of shit ever. It's a legitimate advantage. Butliest fucking piece of shit ever. It's a texture change advantage But it's part of the game, but it's like instead of instead of selling colors I like that. They're like not just make it like we used to do right um
Starting point is 00:16:34 They've always been really nice about that set so CVS one allowed you to go in and customize your colors And you kind of you were stuck with whatever And you kind of you're stuck with whatever the the set palette was if someone's like Nose highlight is the same as their socks then too bad. You're you know, you're gonna have to deal with it But I'm giving you the tool that we use to fucking make to make the game ourselves exactly, right? KOF 13 had a really smart one because it actually Isolated each limb and let you individually texture it so that you can do all that cool shit that makes the sprites appear like lit by the fire and pyro and stuff going off in the game.
Starting point is 00:17:13 So you can do these cool things like make Raiden look like he's wearing a full venom outfit or make it look like he's fucking topless and you know jumping around. You can have characters that have sleeves, have their sleeveless versions and things like that. So yeah, in this case, it's like here, you can see them putting textures on. Create your own DLC costumes. Why the fuck not?
Starting point is 00:17:36 Tekken has a bunch of customization like that as well too. So yeah, I think that's a really fun feature to drop in there and not have an extra charge for. Yeah, I think that's a really fun feature to drop in there and not have an extra charge for. Yeah I guess we're going to be seeing not just Mai but Elena as well in 6 eventually. That character is going to be made or make or break depending on what level healing is. You know? If healing is in fact a level 3 or CA version and it's just like the CA version is like
Starting point is 00:18:16 I'm back to 40%. You know what it should be? It should be a CA that does that does a hit Like it goes into a super comeral and then and does damage. Uh-huh and and at the end of it in animation She heals up back to I think you said 40% I think okay, okay She doesn't gain past 40% but she'll heal from wherever she's at to 40% and then when she's about to die does she get it again? Like the critical art version just heals her to full. Oh my god, so just make it kill resurrection Then why even bother? Yeah, you know at least you could hit him out of that fucking thing God yeah, it'll be that entire character will just is gonna live or die on on what they do with healing
Starting point is 00:19:09 anyway the Maybe that entire character is going to live or die on what they do with healing. This was all part of opening night live which just went off. Gamescom is happening right now in Germany and the Keely Night started things out. I have a quote that I've prepared. Let me see if I can find it over the thing that I think is the funniest part of that whole Jeff Keely event. Here we go. This quote is from February 15th, 2024. Verge talking to Phil Spencer.
Starting point is 00:19:44 You mentioned that Starfield and Indiana Jones aren't part of the four that are going to come to PS5 despite rumors, but will those ever come to PS5? Could you rule that out? I don't think we should as an industry ever rule out a game going to any other platform. We're focused on these four games and learning from the experience, but I don't want to create a false expectation on those other platforms that this is somehow the first four to get over the dam and then the dam is going to open and that everything else is coming." That was Phil talking about how Indiana Jones and Starfield are definitely not coming to
Starting point is 00:20:22 PlayStation 5 back in February. And how'd that work out? Indiana Jones is coming to the PS5 two or three months after the Xbox release. There you go. Which means they're working on it like... now? Yeah. I was streaming earlier and I said, man, if I had an Xbox I'd really be Um, yeah. I was streaming earlier and I said, man, if I had an Xbox, I'd really be disappointed. And then I froze because I forgot that I have an Xbox that I'm using as a fucking prop behind me.
Starting point is 00:20:58 I think we said it again, but just like, if Hi-Fi rushes sequels find a way To completely sidestep the console of origin that would be bad shit. It would be really funny Yeah, no, it's Troy Baker Being being indie. I mean there was a bunch of shit announced But I didn't make note of everything because we don't care about all of that Secret level looks like it'll be really interesting. Secret level looks pretty cool. A series of shorts that, yeah, from the creators of, was it Love and Robots, right? The compilation of Death, Love and Robots, I think.
Starting point is 00:21:38 And a bunch of just shorts, but they're all based on existing properties. So the quick two second you see all these shots and then you get like a list of credits of like here's what's coming and you have to like a lot armored core concord crossfire Dungeons and Dragons Exodus honor of Kings Mega Man New World Aeternum Pac-Man PlayStation, PlayStation Studios, Sifu, Spelunky, Outer Worlds, Unreal, and Warhammer 40k are all gonna have short episodes. I bet you that guy who made Astartes is working on that. That's fucking awesome. That's really, what a cool idea.
Starting point is 00:22:18 I don't know if you saw but Keanu Reeves is gonna be the main character of the Armored Core segment. Oh, is that who that, I saw that clip, but I wasn't sure what I was looking at it did look like it from software posted about it for I thought I was looking At a cyber cyberpunk thing for a second also of note I don't know if you remember a long time ago Long time ago when we're doing the God of War LP and Kratos fell through that portal to hell Matt started yelling out modern Kratos is in the modern day in his short I saw that two second thing of Kratos close up, but I didn't see what our cars behind him. Oh my god. Oh
Starting point is 00:22:59 My god, okay. Well, I mean shit This is post shovel night. Anything is possible. That was supposed to be God of War 2 a long time ago. That's what Barlog wanted to do. Because the God of War 1 ending had like, and Credo stayed the God of War throughout all of times and that was to explain why war has kept on getting worse over the years. Man. war has kept on getting worse over the over the years and and again he has faced shovel knight he has faced killick and nightmare so why not here and is
Starting point is 00:23:36 this a persona like thing where every iteration of Kratos is guest inclusions is all canonical who knows because we all know that he can just walk over to the next like Pantheon right if you can switch from one to the other well why why I just walk over hang out the next one's gonna be Egypt I think and like that's a good that's a good one Egypt's cool but like does that just become the bit is like Kratos walks to the next group of gods and goes I'm gonna kill all these fuckers for some reason? No, he'll have some stupid inciting incidents. I feel it, well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Anyway, you know what? Having not played Ragnarok, it's hard for me to say what becomes of what, but I will say that like, it was an unexpected bit for him to like switch Lores and do this whole thing with his character reboot You can't keep doing the same trick trick, right? So if they find a really good way to write it then sure so what you got to do is you just got to have Kratos walking down the road and An Egyptian god stops him and goes, what are you doing here?
Starting point is 00:24:46 And he goes, I'm just walking through town and he's got his bag on and he's just doing John Rambo. And then the Egyptian gods arrest him for no reason and beat him up a little bit. And then you just redo first blood, but it's Kratos. blood, but it's Kratos. If we enter a realm where this God of War IP is just a new Assassin's Creed where we're guessing whether he's going to fight Yokai or Anubis, fuck everything. That sucks. That rules.
Starting point is 00:25:21 What are you talking about? That's like the... that's the end goal. Oh my god All right, like Kratos was supposed to be one of the three wise men that found baby Jesus What was that that was Jaffe's fucking stupid idea for the future of the franchise that he would team up with his Egyptian and that he would team up with his Egyptian and Norse counterpart and the three of them would go find baby Jesus and usher in like a world without war. Yeah, alright, sure. Fine, then. The d the Top Borderlands 4.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Oh my God, they expected, hey, I want to give a shout out to Germany. The Germans are a really fun crowd to have these shows in front of because the Germans don't clap or yell for shit. so you get Jeff and that lady shocks out and they're doing their bit and the crowd is fucking dead silent Just no pop it was a pet all there was supposed to be a pop when the mask gets picked up, right? Like well, yeah, it's healthy was supposed to be a fucking slam dunk banger the the the
Starting point is 00:26:46 trailer like the the you see the thing land on the ground and the mask is held for a dramatic reveal but there was no there was no big cheer of what yeah borderlands they were that was supposed to be the like hey man you you hot off the movie, let's go. Instead it was like, oh Christ. I mean to be fair, it could have been Fallout where they just had a hit show and then nothing. So they were planning a simultaneous release. You know, Fallout London is the most downloaded game off of GOG ever. I saw.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I saw. Yeah, that's crazy. And it's like, wow, Microsoft, if you had like had something ready to go, like literally anything, it would probably have done well. I think we all just to go back to for a second to secret level for two seconds, you see that what looks like a little Mega Man robot like kind of it's like I thought you see Mega Man it was a focus it flashed really quickly I thought I saw you see Mega Man and you see him turn towards his helmet oh shit okay I got to go back and slow it down then there was a lot of shit happening yeah that's Mega Man that's cool and who knows if that if that is a nicely done
Starting point is 00:28:01 short that can kind of like start to get some ground swell going. Maybe Mega Man can be saved from the moon one day. No. But not the moon of our hearts. The moon of Capcom's heart for that matter. Anyway, Tribe Nine looked pretty sick as well. That was the Danganronpa folks action game. That thing looked like shit, dude. I didn't, I thought it was. That looked like trash. I'm interested in seeing what's going on.
Starting point is 00:28:40 It was an action game, you know, I saw some stuff, I'm like, okay, let me see what this is gonna be you know and Feel like the Danganronpa art like turns off everyone's brains Like they see that that like that type of art and they go it looks good And it's like it always looks like garbage if it's gonna be if it's gonna be like Zenless tear just all, basic action, you know, then I can live with that if it's like, I'm not expecting crazy style, I'm not ex- it's the same thing, the same conversation I had with Zen-less, right?
Starting point is 00:29:16 Basic whale on the thing, evade system for the characters, we'll see what's up, you know? Yeah, I don't know. And I do remember the, yeah, I remember the initial artwork with all the Danganronpa looking characters and stuff, but I don't hate Danganronpa art off the jump. In fact, I'm fine with it. I like it. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:41 I have a, like like expectation set for action game That is not the peak of the genres that we talk about all the time, you know They showed off Cap and Winter Soldier for Marvel Rivals I that got me like the best belly laugh of a trailer in maybe all year When Capco's Bucky snap out of it and it just hangs and Bucky goes no no Yeah, no, I don't want to snap out of it might be the funniest response To a brainwashed character ever and his bionic arm is just tentacling everything.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Yeah, fuck it. Hey man, they want to go nuts with it. And then they said, hey, I was in the middle of saying, God, I hope they don't fuck this whole thing up with money shit. And then they say, hey, by the way, everything in this game, except for the costumes, is going to be fucking free. Oh, I missed the detail there. All characters at launch and forever gonna be fucking free. Oh, I missed the detail there. All characters at launch and forever will be completely free.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Ah, so just cosmetics. All cosmetic. That's a really smart move for a very fun video game. Very smart. That is... Nice. I feel like that just totally invalidates Overwatch completely.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Yep, yep, that's it, Dunski. I mean, I think there's a few, the only real move Overwatch could pull would be like an actual single player story mode bit, but it would have to just be a- Just cancel that. But that's what I'm saying, right? Like, yes, like the full on single player story mode thing
Starting point is 00:31:24 of the characters and cutscenes doing all the stuff Which could might as well be a different game You know, but that's it right that's not happening. Therefore. All right lunch taken Also quick shot of like cap running into battle shielding up and then deflecting the Iron Man up and then deflecting the Iron Man... uh... uh... Yeah, deflecting people's ults is really simple and it's a really good kit thing for Iron Man... not Iron Man, sorry, Cap, to just go, no! No, you're not gonna... Super, that's cool. Um, I wonder
Starting point is 00:32:00 like, does that, yeah, does that apply to all damaging ults of that nature? It probably applies to like anything he wants So Punisher starts just unloading and you just go nope and just aim it at the opposite right back at you buddy Yeah, cool cool interesting utility for the hero And then he gets the I can do this all day line mm-hmm And then he gets the I can do this all day line. Yeah, that Marvel Rivals looks hot! It looks ready to take Blizzard's lunch, man.
Starting point is 00:32:31 I'm telling you. Sitting down at the fucking table with the tray slammed on the desk really loud. Okay, I have not been paying a ton of attention as uh, as usual, but Cod Blob 6 came up and they showed off some footage of that and... Bro, I was sitting there and I was like, six? Yeah, that's so funny. Six? That's the number, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Okay. I played the first one. Is it? Am I just off entirely? Or did the... the but but me too So but the footage they showed of that looked worse Than previous stuff. I feel like the last Call of Duty stuff I saw was like much more like
Starting point is 00:33:16 Realistic looking and that they had like a very expensive budget and everything was very very high high high integrity And and everything I saw there looked like it was like a couple of entries back, which is weird. I would say that what you're seeing is them realizing that the single player for Call of Duty is a feature ad because Call of Duty is the multiplayer. Yeah. But like everything I saw, like even like, I mean, I don't know if Warzone or maybe it's just Black Ops as its own thing as opposed to the other. Black Ops has traditionally had super high production.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Okay. It just felt like, I'm like, this looks like AAA still, but for Call of Duty, I feel like it's looked better than that before. So Black Ops is the following things. It's got a single player story and the Black Ops ones usually try and have a gimmick. So this thing's gimmick was like you can choose your own path through the guided experience. It has a multiplayer suite. It has a zombie suite, which is what a lot of people are super excited for. And then they have the Warzone thing,
Starting point is 00:34:27 which is a completely separate thing. The multiplayer suite and the zombie suite are the focus, for sure. Zombies is always the push, right? Yeah. Yeah. But like, if something like Warzone is also a battle royale live service thing going on like
Starting point is 00:34:48 They're not gonna they don't offer up a multiplayer to this that replaces that at all. No. No, that's a whole separate thing now Yeah, okay, right So I was sitting there and I was like people were like when are they gonna just have the balls to do a 9-eleven mission Right because they love to do historical Goofiness and I feel insane because like When did Cod4 come out on Cod4 came out in? 2007 there's a 9-eleven mission in Call of Duty 4 Yeah, the final mission of Call of Duty 4 is called Maya High
Starting point is 00:35:26 Club in which you fight terrorists on a fucking 747 because they're trying to hijack the plane. Oh my god. Okay, we're there. Yeah. I think the like, I think like the history memes Reddit is like, if it's 20 years old, it can be considered like not modern history, you know, like it can be. So I think that there's a problem with that. And I think that that used to be the case when you were dealing with newspaper media as your primary form of news coverage. When you're dealing with the modern internet world of digital news, things are feel closer than they used to be. Because you have high def footage of it and it's all in super recent memory
Starting point is 00:36:09 and it's all like super duper logged and detailed to the second whenever something goes down. When you have a timeline construction that is minute by minute and here's multiple angles and viewpoints and cell phone camera footage, it feels, it's always gonna feel like it was yesterday. Like 9-11 to now is how far Vietnam was when we were kids. At the time, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:31 But because of the way that Vietnam was portrayed through newsreels and film. Movies, soundtracks. Hey, here's every angle of the whole war of Vietnam. It's, the time scale is different. Yeah, that's gonna get worse and worse as we go on, for sure. They showed that off.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Oh man, there was a trailer for Squid Game Unleashed, Oh man, there was a trailer for Squid Game Unleashed and this Squid Game... Capitalism has fully subsumed its critique. I mean, Disco Elysium stays winning. Even those who would critique Capitol end up reinforcing it instead. This might go down as the most, not even, I don't wanna say misunderstood, because most people misunderstand Fight Club, for example, classically, right?
Starting point is 00:37:31 We talk about like those bits of like, or Patrick Bateman and so on, like the, oh man, look how cool it is, misunderstanding, right? But that's not what's happening with Squid Game. What's happening with Squid Game is more of a like, I think I get, like some people are like, oh look at the death game, wow what's gonna happen next and don't really think about the point.
Starting point is 00:37:53 But then there's the level of like, I think I get what you're getting at, but I hate what you're getting at, therefore I'd rather this just be popular because ooh the death game though. You know? No, I have what's actually happening Who cares what you're getting at let's make some money. Yeah, yeah, of course That thought follows the previous one right I like the the I think I get what you're getting at
Starting point is 00:38:19 But I don't like it is is like you still have to confront that once It's extremely popular you know to which then the creator of squid game was like it, is like, you still have to confront that once it's extremely popular. To which then, the creator of Squid Game was like, oh yeah, no, that was totally a tale about modern capitalist society. I was absolutely getting at that, 100%. And the more you get the spinoffs, the more you get this game with the art style
Starting point is 00:38:40 and everything is going like, yeah, wow, who can survive? Someone in the chat, Mark Dalek, points out that Squid Game is the most flagrant, wow, cool robot that has ever existed. The Gundam Shot, right? Yes, yes, exactly. No. So, incredible. They wouldn't have to be playing the death game if they weren't poor!
Starting point is 00:39:04 That's the point! That's the whole point of the TV show! And hey, look, the billionaires want to entertain themselves by dangling a character that says you can be one of us. You know? Yeah, sure, totally. That's the... Psssshh!
Starting point is 00:39:24 Over the Gundam's head! Oh shit, yeah. Great. Great stuff. I want to point out a game that got announced that looked pretty generic. Oh, oh, let me not make the mistake of attributing to Disco Elysium what is attributed to Marx, excuse me. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:48 A game that looks fairly generic, it got announced called Unknown Nine Awakening, and I am like staring at this image because I want to try and remember it next week, but it's gonna go. I don, but it's gonna go. I don't. It's gonna go. I am in awe.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I have already forgotten what you did. I am in awe of the terribleness of this title. Okay, okay, so I do not remember this game or the screenshot or what you're sending here or any of this. It's already gone. If it was've like, it's already gone. If it was on stage, it's already gone. I would like to add this to the list.
Starting point is 00:40:32 I would like to add this to the list of games we can't remember. Number one, being a canceled MOBA from EA called Dawn Gate. Yeah, well, yes, because those are just the two combination words coming together. Awakening. And number two being the StarCraft ripoff called Storm Gate. Sounds good. Yep. Yep. Again the combination never fails. People are pointing out that I have already seen this game at different shows and made and said this exact same thing and it just I I bear no memory of these events. I mean I mean it's almost a little sad that we're not getting multiple entries anymore
Starting point is 00:41:19 each year of games that belong to the Dawn War Storm face legacy. You know, there's so much more we can do there. Unbelievable. But anyways, yeah, I have already deleted. This game is already a memory. There was a... Yeah, okay, so they shut off the episode I guess P3 reload trailer
Starting point is 00:41:46 So yep, we're doing the answer as we all knew etc But then they're dropping in a Joker boss fight. It seems so he should be 10 years old That like the time frame making what is it doesn't make it much sense But then again neither did it matter for for Nocturnes cross with SMT5 as well. But Joker is no fucking Demi-Fiend, is he? That's the thing though, Joker is cool, and it's fun to see like oh shit. There's our sand and then you the fucking transformation popping off, but That's that goofy kid ain't so like not a level man when you fought like um
Starting point is 00:42:38 The p3 and p4 protagonists and p5 it was supposed to be like them at their peak Right, but like a joke. Oh fuck, oh shit, oh god. Joker is a nine-year-old in the events of Persona 3 Reload. The dude should be in middle school. Yeah. I mean, again, even him just being there in form by himself, you know, I guess switching off to show the different personas in his arcana is going to be the main bit. I also want to point out something about Persona 3 reloads. I remember a long time ago we were talking about, not that long, SMT Vengeance and how Atlas says that that's going to be the last time they do a mandatory full re-release of
Starting point is 00:43:19 their games and that with Metaphor specifically they're going to be moving forward with DLC editions. And they did do that for persona 3 reload Right, they're not Releasing it with the answer And I'd like to point out that in the past When like persona 5 Royale would come out it would be a full price game at like 50 or 60 dollars and then I'd have to re-buy it, right? Luckily, luckily they're doing a DLC expansion pass for Persona 3 Reload, if I want to play
Starting point is 00:43:51 the answer, which costs $47 that none of the pieces can be split up. It has to be bought for the whole thing. So it's a good thing I can't buy a re-release of that on sale. You were spared your $80 re-release purchase. They're still doing it! They're still doing the literal exact same thing. They're just actually doing it as DLC. It's the same thing. Man, yeah, that's fucking stupid. The core point is you're buying the same shit again
Starting point is 00:44:34 and that feels bad because you're spending that full price and then if that's what they're pricing the DLC at. I mean, okay, so you're still getting your, you're not losing your save, you know, you're not losing your progress, I know, you're not losing your progress I guess but that's wild dude Jesus Christ, okay Um
Starting point is 00:44:54 Yeah, $47 for a DLC of an episode. I didn't like when it came out, you know what I'm good does it came out. You know what? I'm good. Does this new philosophy apply to just the Shin Megami Tensei series? They said that if they do an enhanced version of metaphor that it'll be DLC. See the metaphor, it's a metaphor for your wallet being empty. Yes, that's right. Oh boy. We complain now but we know we're going to be there day one with Metaphor because it's going to have those good menus. Yeah. Just sell the menus.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Yeah, you know what? Just package up a bunch of JPEGs and MOVs, man. Yeah, so they showed that off at the Squid Game pit. And I mean, you know, that's pretty much all that I noted. There was what I don't know what anotria was, but it seemed like, again, some Souls at Home bits where there was yeah it was early on in and don't know it there was someone that did a backstab that was a it was a from soft backstab oh you want to talk about what the fuck's it called myths of Albion no Peter Molyneux is fucking back son the god Yeah. Did you see how he's going to
Starting point is 00:46:25 tie? He bring the old team back together and they're making a game that's that's God. What was the phrasing? New, unique and different. And then he shows off that it's like taking place in fables universe and it's black and white. And the big thing is that you can zoom in and take control to like the character and It looks like a mafia city ad And like the zooming in to take control of the character is just running and swinging a bonk stick for like it It is like in it. It looks awful
Starting point is 00:47:03 It looks like a crypto scam. Um, yeah, he's going to keep, he's going to keep at it, man. Like it's gonna, it's the same bit. It's the same bit time and time again. And I don't see why we would expect anything to change. Went once again, shout out to Germans in Cologne Jeff brings out Mala Niu to nothing and they go he's back and like one guy goes Like like dead like stone-faced
Starting point is 00:47:40 The story nothing Yeah Hey, do you remember the the part in Godfather 2 where they go to the old country? No. I don't care for the Godfather. Okay. I agree with Peter. It does insist upon itself. Well, yeah, the A.O. we would go to the old country for this thing of ours.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Gabagool. I was sitting there watching that and that was the big stinger and I was just hit with like who gives a fuck? Apparently Europeans really like mafia. But I was just watching it and like the only thing that is going to make me interested in 1900 Sicilian mafia game or mafia 4 is if we get a sequel to that guy shitting his pants and his mom is yelling at him to go to the bathroom and he keeps saying not yet. The greatest, the biggest piece of mafia lore.
Starting point is 00:48:53 That to me is the mafia experience. Not yet. No I want it to sound, I want the characters to look at something act like like sopranos Jersey fucking modern Bullshit, oh that would be great in but in old Italian in old Italy context Absolutely like it makes go Paulie in 1910s a million percent. Yes, because the whole bit is Because in Godfather 2 they go to the old country for a bit and they spend some time and shit goes down over there and you get to see what the small life is like, you know?
Starting point is 00:49:30 But just, yeah, bring it for a full, full circle with the Gabagool. All of it. Big pussy hanging out. Yep. Anyway. Oh, also some news, do you know concord is out? Yeah, yeah, I saw ads. I saw ads There were ads for it. It is in fact out
Starting point is 00:49:55 That game is dead um And then there was the like horror horror farming Yeah, yeah, like what if I had it did a farm but also there was evil out there in the farm we harvest shadows which is apparently a good name by the way but apparently that's just farm life but spooky no no like farm life is like that oh like for real real yeah yeah no real farm life is you're scared of the dark and there's there's monsters
Starting point is 00:50:27 But farm life has you waking up in your barn and then there's eyes on the door Yeah, no, absolutely. Got it or so I've heard. Okay Apparently that's Ohio that's just Ohio. Okay. Perfect. Okay That's why the kids say that it's skippity Perfect, okay That's why the kids say that it's skippity But you know that oh yes people keep telling me to talk about Dune did you say did you see the MMO for dunk awakening um yeah, and
Starting point is 00:51:04 Like the moment I saw people walking on the sands and just hanging out and selling guns to each other I was like but isn't the whole thing that like like the coming of the sandworm can't be this big event and not this ever persistent threat you know if you if you can just run around a map and then occasionally cross that it cut type of area I am I feel like that's up. That's taking away the Fear of this thing that exists the entire time. So you're on the plan. I'm not I'm not a big old dunkhead Right. I don't know that much about dune So I was asking the chat. I'm like hey chat you guys know about dune isn't Arrakis like a 100% desert planet?
Starting point is 00:51:46 To which I was explained, yes, it is a 100% desert planet. And then I ask, isn't this a highly limiting setting for an MMO? And as I said that, they showed the map and the map had like a zone that was like yellow sand and then they were going to an area that had orange sand. You just you can't like it yeah it doesn't like it doesn't work it doesn't it doesn't work it just does like to make a thing where everybody can be playing in a normal setting and have all these activities and stuff you like it it needs to be well I don't like you
Starting point is 00:52:23 can't just design a casual thing of like, you know going and shopping here and chilling out like There there's everything about this is scraping for resources So like immediately the whole like like harvesting bodies and stuff bit gameplay wise Like it would probably feel bad and not that fun to always be scraping and barely Survival MMO so you're gonna be scrounging and and yeah and like at all times you should be terrified of a fucking worm like at all times like yeah, it just Yeah, I don't know. I don't know well Of all the types of games you can you can make here This feels like the one that's gonna have to throw out the feeling of that setting the most to create,
Starting point is 00:53:10 a functioning MMO, I suppose. Yeah. That's it, really. Yeah, there was some stuff. Goat Simulator Remastered, taking the piss. Hey, look, it's the cash grab penitentiary With the actually really liked with the the the games they were going with right then There was the GTA cell there was the Skyrim joke there was the Assassin's Creed
Starting point is 00:53:44 Screenshot background guy which was really really really deep cut What was the first one with the with the weird face of like the the fantasy setting? Character that was like blonde and their face looks all looked like Botox or whatever. Oh that was Arthas from Warcraft 3 that was Warcraft. Okay. That was what the armor forged Warcraft to look like shit. Gotcha, okay. The blizzard, the blizzard armor looked, yeah, that's that was the clue. Hey, man, if you don't know, are the characters shoulders five times the size of their head? That is a World of Warcraft character. Put it, but the problem is it is that it might also be a League of Legends. You're right. So they are the same after all.
Starting point is 00:54:21 of legend. You're right. So they are the same after all. Like I learned from a years ago that the giant shoulder pads are it used to be a short clip a short shortcut for Blizzard but it then became a shortcut for leading to so anyway. Yeah that that that's about fine. So I guess since we went backwards here... Umm... Weeks come second then.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Yeah, I guess so. Uhh... Uhh... What's up with you, man? W- Well, you go ahead. I'M ASKING YOU FIRST! Pfft. The fuck?
Starting point is 00:54:59 Do you- do you need- do you- is it- do you need time to formulate? I know. Do you need time? I'm good. Are you looking through something? No, I'm good. Are you looking through something? No, I'm good. What's up? All right, fine. I have not done much this week other than recover from.
Starting point is 00:55:17 So me and Paige and the baby are all COVID free. We got our double negative tests. Yay. And we still all feel like shit. We got our double negative tests. And we still all feel like shit. We're very sleepy. That's the number one lingering symptom for us is that we're very sleepy. I'm sleepy right now.
Starting point is 00:55:37 I could go nap time right now. I could have a big nap and it would feel great. We're going to keep it short. I played some backlog games in which I discovered games based off Egypt are fucking terrible. But I got to Dishonored 2's super famous level called A Crack in the Slab. And I have been hearing about this level for years because it is like a, you know, one of those like immersive sim like triumphs of design.
Starting point is 00:56:16 And I knew its basic premise and didn't think it could possibly live up to the expectations placed on it. A crack in the slab is the fucking most impressive level of anything I've ever played. It's crazy. And what's weird is that it came out like three or four weeks, I think before or after, effect and cause in Titanfall 2.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I was about to say that Titanfall 2's effect and cause level will probably stand the test of time going forward. Like there might be other things that hit similar beats, but I think we'll be always be able to be like, yo, that fucking level in that game is gonna to hit you if you're going if you're going back for a point. Okay, so apparently it was three months later after effect and cause. Okay, so is it hitting the same? It is hitting the exact same concept.
Starting point is 00:57:17 It is the same level being done by a different team in a different style of game. Interesting. So in Effect and Cause, you were flipping between a past and a future, which was an area that was a fully functioning research facility and a destroyed research facility, in which you're fighting goons in one and dogs in the other, and you were having to flip back and forth between them to platform and fight each other, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Yeah, it's crack. It's visually awesome and interesting just from a setting and like conceptual point, but then when it comes down to like, you can teleport in fights during the action is when it really starts to shine. And, fuck, I forgot what I was gonna say next.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Anyway, there's another comparison point. But yeah, that was really good. So in cause and effect, the basic setup is that you are investigating an abandoned mansion because the owner went crazy and you need to find out what happened there. The first thing that happens is they take all of your powers away. They power you down all the way down to your base move set. Like no more teleporting, no more time stop, nothing like that. Right? And then they give you a broken timepiece made out of glass and you hit a button to unfurl it and the left third of your screen
Starting point is 00:58:46 shows you what the manor looked like three years ago and As you move around it is fully showing you exactly what the manor looked like three years in the past You can fold it and unfold it at your whim, but it only shows on the left third of the screen Yeah, cuz you're holding up a piece of glass. In your hand, okay. Right, and you're holding up this piece of glass, and on that little part of the screen, you're seeing the three years ago
Starting point is 00:59:14 as you're exploring this demolished manor. You can then hit the left trigger and swap between the two states. And now you're in the old intact manner and you're looking at the destroyed manner through the glass. And the gimmick here is that you are doing like stealth level design with roaming guards
Starting point is 00:59:41 and across both timelines. And you are changing things in the past to open up areas in the future and solve puzzles. So I got into a sequence in which I would kill a guard and he would make a noise and then I would jump to the future and then pull the glass out to look at the guard coming to investigate, get behind them, hop back into the future and then pull the glass out to look at the guard coming to investigate, get behind them, hop back into the past and stab them. Your JoJo parts sevening them by hopping between the two realities over and over and over and over. The enemies don't have a chance.
Starting point is 01:00:21 You're looking at destroyed safes to find their combinations in the present. You're stealing paintings in the past so that architecture changes in the future. It's super impressive. And then you get to the second part of the level where you find the owner of the manor who witnessed something that evening and went crazy. And that's why the manor has fallen into disrepair. And you can steal a code to door you need off of him and everything stays the same, or you can kill him. And the instant you kill him,
Starting point is 01:00:57 the destroyed future manor turns into an even more destroyed future manor because no one is there. Okay. And it has fallen into rubble. Complete, okay. And now when you go back to do the second half of the level, the second half of the level has now swapped between the past
Starting point is 01:01:17 and a different future in totality. Right, right, right. But if you knock him out, instead, he never sees the thing that makes him go crazy, and you swap the entire future second half of the level with a the house is a little run down, but it's still being actively lived in and maintained version of the level.
Starting point is 01:01:37 Wow, okay. And you're swapping in between those two. Is that the most- As you go throughout it. Is that the most significant consequence from doing lethal or non-lethal? Oh, there's also changes in each version depending if you're going non-lethal or non-lethal. Huh, wow.
Starting point is 01:01:58 And then as you walk back out onto the street, out of the manor, the district that the manor is in has changed as a result of your level of lethality, as well as which version you went for. That's fucking sick. There are four levels layered on top of each other simultaneously that you are bouncing between as you run through this intricate stealth murder
Starting point is 01:02:25 look it's so crazy this is all just parallel thinking at the exact same time as Titanfall 2 that's interesting they it's it's I want to know what movie came out three years before those two games no that doesn't make sense you know like I don't know but like I don't know that anything was like hitting that exact note either right like Cuz yeah, it's like the console looper looper came out three years before those I just said looper but oh, sorry my mistake. I misheard you my brain turned off Yeah, I but like but like the thing is like, you know, like you're My brain turned off. Yeah, but like the thing is, you know, like, you're, the taking it to a gameplay element
Starting point is 01:03:07 towards like live switching in the environment and actively, you know, fucking with action scenes while doing two at both at the same time is nuts, you know? That's still something that not, that Looper didn't quite do and then same thing for other time movies and shit. The level is also like relative like compared to a lot of the sprawling areas in Dishonored 2 it's relatively small and manageable which is great because you're you're flip-flopping between overlapping sets of the level with different enemy routes that are simultaneous and someone in the chat informed me that the reason for that is technical
Starting point is 01:03:48 is because the way that they did it is they just literally have both levels loaded in simultaneously. Yeah. Yeah. And if they made it any bigger, the game would fall to fucking pieces. Only only possible with, I guess, that generation. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. I especially love how successful that and time, and effect and cause are because like two dimension gameplay is like kinda played out in the Zelda way.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Shadow World, right, stuff is kind of like, I'm like pretty over that. I feel like I was at that time, Metroid Prime echoes. Yeah, but it's different when it's fast. When it's instantly switching between the two, right? That's the fucking difference. Taking you, going to the Shadow World via a different hub and like, okay, re-explore the same thing. Itexplore the same area that looks kind of like the other area yeah
Starting point is 01:04:49 yeah yeah like no the instant switch makes a humongous difference it was novel you know early on the first times around yeah Chrono Trigger was fucking incredible with that but those games doing it in an action context are absolutely impeccable. Yeah man, good stuff. Wow that's that's fucking sick. Also one of the winners that came out of Backlog series is a game called Severed Steel which you might want to check out. That name rings a bell. So Severed Steel is a it's an action game. You jump, you slide, you do jump kicks, you kick doors to knock people down. It's made with voxels.
Starting point is 01:05:33 It's very like neon shiny. Its main gimmick is that holding the left trigger puts you into slow-mo and you get a lot of slow-mo. You get like 10 seconds of slow-mo and when you shoot somebody and kill them, you get three seconds of slow-mo back. Okay. So it lets you be constantly running,
Starting point is 01:06:01 wall jumping, diving. Yes, yes, yes. And just every single time you want to shoot someone, go into slow-mo, shoot them, and you'll get it back. And it also has fully destructible environments, so you're like blowing through doors, sorry, you're blowing through walls to slow-mo, dive, kill people, it's awesome.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Ghost runner. Oh, it's way. Ghostrunner. Oh it's way better than Ghostrunner. I'm okay because I remember this when I was I think I was talking about Ghostrunner and I think Get to the Orange Door. Yeah this feels more like super hot but just more you're controlling the slowdown instead of moving. Yeah yeah big super hot even Even the font is super hotting too. Yeah, because it says something like destroy the vents or get to the generator in giant block test text.
Starting point is 01:06:54 This is the people asking again, it's called Severed Steel. Pretty. And it has two modes, a story mode, which is a ton of levels, and then a rogue mode, which is just randomized levels for you to play forever. Super hot with an anime girl in bright colors.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Yeah, I don't know. The anime girl is for art purposes only, I think, on the main menu because everybody in this game is shiny, reflective voxels that don't look like people. Shout outs to the marketing team that can take a first-person game and like even though there's nowhere in the game to show it you're like, ah, anime though! That's the girl, that's the girl that you can't prove otherwise. It feels like, thank you for reminding me, it feels like Fear. I don't know if you ever played fear No, but the way that the way that the gunplay feels and the way that bullet ricochets work and the the Particle effects coming off of everything. It feels like fear. Mmm
Starting point is 01:07:55 Yeah, okay. This is pretty this is from a couple years back Yeah, it's awesome. I'm glad it was recommended to me and that's pretty much it for Pat this past week. Been mainly just trying to rest up and get back to normal. I'm going to be streaming, did a lot of streaming today including today's podcast. The next one is going to be Friday where I'm going to do the wheel, will beat the backlog. Then I'm going to try and finish off Dishonored on Saturday. So if you go down to twitch.tv slash PatStairsAt you can check that shit out. Okay. Yeah, here.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Let me just take a quick one from our sponsors and then I'll jump into mine. When is the Xbox thing tomorrow? I didn't even know there was an Xbox thing tomorrow. Yeah. No, it was... I always, anytime, anytime any type of game shit is coming out or whatever I'm like, oh the whole world is on top of that. I'm not and I was Once come to find out y'all are rolling out of bed and catching this shit
Starting point is 01:08:58 Well, I mean I roll out of bed at 6 to 8 o'clock in the morning any take because I got a I got a stinky dog dumb cat cute little baby to take care of. And you know, I'm getting up. And you gotta you gotta get your energy back. Oh, you know what? Before we leave, they announced re animal and then re announced Little Nightmares two, sorry 3 and they look like they're the same fucking game. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So I saw the Little Nightmares, I saw the Little Nightmares bit, reanimal, yeah, just
Starting point is 01:09:35 like kids running around from monsters chasing them, the genre. But like, is it at all related or the people or? Little Nightmares 3 is not made by the team who made little Nightmares one and two it's being made by a different team and Reanimal is being made by the little nightmares one and two team Gotcha, and they look exactly the same except reanimal looks a little better The same except Reanimal looks a little better. People are saying one is owned by Namco and the other isn't. Well there it is.
Starting point is 01:10:11 Namco owns the name Little Nightmares and so the Little Nightmares people wanted to make Reanimal but they didn't want Namco to own it. So Reanimal is Little Nightmares 3, really? Kids running from giant horrors. What if the sheep had too many arms? What if? And Kid gets a great sword for a second in that other one, but.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Okay. Did you see? Did you see? Did you know that that Blark will appear in the upcoming season of the Grungle Man and Binkus? I did not know that, Wully. Can you tell me more? Yeah, that's it's big news, you know, blark, the fan favorite. You know, I mean, I remember when the show was just called the
Starting point is 01:11:16 grungle man. But they updated the title. So now it's called the grungle man and binkus. And yeah yeah press release blark is blark is gonna be in it Real I can't I can't tell I can't tell Is this Star Wars What is happening here? I got a I got a I got a screenshot for you send me send me a screenshot of this I don't know what you're doing yeah yes that's you could just Star Wars is so fucking stupid oh man oh fuck Star Wars oh man it's just there's an announcement you know Zeb will appear in the Mandalorian and Grogu. Someone just quoted it. Blark will appear in the
Starting point is 01:12:17 Krukl fan. Oh hey I want to give a shout out to Xbox our friends at Xbox for Finally getting Genshin impact on the Xbox four years late Sick job after they told Genshin to go fuck themselves back when Genshin wanted to make that game an Xbox exclusive Yeah, there was a bunch of hoyo stuff that got dropped there too. Yeah. All right. This week, the podcast is sponsored by HelloFresh. Hi. Food keeps you alive.
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Starting point is 01:16:56 to crash the stream right now. Yeah, hold it. And then load it back up right as I'm about to get into the good stuff over here So I messaged you I messaged you that your powers are increasing in their Vitality and range to which you responded with I think you just said fucking lol I think you just said fucking LOL. This uh... Woolie, I have so many questions about you beating Yakuza 0.
Starting point is 01:17:32 There's really just probably a single answer I imagine. You know? I don't, I, okay, one, wow man, even the game is trying to extend the length of that LP. Like, absolutely wild. That is, I remember when you restarted that, I was very much like, yeah, Wooly's lost his mind. I don't know what he's doing. He's crazy. And then you kept going, and I'm like, I'm stupid! You may be crazy, but I'm stupid, clearly you should have kept going that was a great idea But the game disagrees the game disagrees
Starting point is 01:18:11 Yeah, yeah, so I finished off yak is a zero and the finale will be coming out shortly this week on on wooly verses and It was it's been a journey, you know, the journey that started four years ago. Now, albeit that is a disingenuous way to frame it because there's a giant hiatus in the middle, nonetheless. Nah, man, it took you four years. Just like game development. No matter what.
Starting point is 01:18:36 You restarted it, yeah, but I mean, to the consumer, they see four years. An entire presidential administration has occurred. Yes. How do you feel about Oda and how he was so cool? Oh man. I mean that like, it's this again, the entire ride through the game and the way morality is handled, right? It's just, it's not even the like anime Naruto thing as much as I'm like, is this just, what's the director's name again? Nogoshi.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Nogoshi making it so that he can look back at his actual Yakuza friends and have them nod in approval and go, yeah, that guy wasn't't he wasn't a good guy buddy it he was serious about his bit about the life and he went out the way really feels like as long as you stick to your guns and stand up and fight at the end no matter what well yeah a wano wano was such a cool Yeah, he shot those women for literally no reason. It doesn't matter how many bullets you put into the innocent woman right over there, to make your point, it's all about standing your ground
Starting point is 01:19:54 at the end, you know, and making sure you go out. So I'll let you know, Nogoshi's gone now from the Yakuza series, and I will tell you that Yakuza, so when you play Infinite Wealth, here you can go back to a bunch of places and reminisce. And there is one for Oda in which you go to Cafe Alps and go, you know, I met a guy named Oda here and he taught me all about business. And then it has a line break and it goes, I never liked that guy. He was an asshole.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Interesting. So it took them like 10 years. But here you does walk it back and go, no, you know what? That guy was a prick. So the way that Oda gets introduced though, is like, you're like defending this dude who's hanging he's the last you know person in this empty building and they're trying to pressure him out and he's like no I'm not gonna go I'm staying this is where me and my family live and then they have the squatters that are trying to
Starting point is 01:20:57 pressure him out. I'm gonna take this big ol' wad of money and slap it in your face! And he bitch slaps him with the wad and you're, whoa, this dude, he's like that, right? And it's this weird moment because you're like, oh, look at this fucking asshole, right? Look at that swagger. And then the guy that you're defending goes, ah, I've been waiting for this payout. And then completely scums it out.
Starting point is 01:21:21 And you're like, wait, you're the guy that I was just defending. Where's your integrity? And he's like picking the money up off the ground and being the exact opposite of what Nogoshi's friends would like. They're back there going, oh, no, fuck that guy. So then you're like, oh, so then Oda was right
Starting point is 01:21:40 to be mad here then? He was right, he was right. And then it's like, and he's working for Tachibana and then you get the whole bit and then you learn about the, you know, the full on backstory and all that. It's like, yeah, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm dying.
Starting point is 01:21:55 And yeah, yeah, okay, so I sold some people into sex slavery. Come to fucking find out the bat tattoo is the same that he's rocking. And the literal, like, the main character's trauma point is because this guy just snatched her up and was like, ah, going about his business, you know? And now we can all just move past that point.
Starting point is 01:22:22 And like, and as soon as that moment is discovered and you blink the pieces together less than five minutes later It's like hey, he's gonna do his last stand and everyone's like no, but wait. What about him though? What about trafficker could? You know and I'm like this is the third trafficking fucking asshole that's been given The right of way because we were just like a couple minutes out Crazy the pleasure king who also is like Trafficking woman and you're like, yeah, but why don't you join my real estate gang though? You're you're pretty good at what you do. Um, and then there's the side story
Starting point is 01:23:03 I told I talked about where it's like the visa pizza bit, you know, and it's like, oh, the trafficker found his change of heart when Kiryu beat him up. And he's actually in love with the woman that he's been trafficking and he's hoping that he can turn his life around. So yeah, he had a rough go just play that music, man give him a chance so you're like fully through a full Yakuza game now and so now I can like dive into I've talked to when I played one and zero and seven and eight I talked about how like these games are so Kojima is like giving a TED talk about how he feels about a bunch of subjects right like Kojima is like giving a Ted talk about how he feels about a bunch of subjects, right?
Starting point is 01:23:45 Like Kojima is just like just spouting from it. And the Yakuza games are like a Dragon games. They want to like converse with you about all these topics. But like the dudes writing it are like old fashioned criminal friend having Japanese guys. So you're like, it feels like you're talking to a guy and he's like, man, sex workers deserve respect. And just because they're not on the up and up, that doesn't mean that right. But he, he, he's like, you know, that friend of yours who has
Starting point is 01:24:15 friends and those friends terrify you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so like he'll, but he's like on the level, but they'll be like, oh, you know, can Jimmy come hang out? I'm like, Jimmy's a rapist. No Jimmy can't come out with, hang out with us. Who invited that guy? Yeah, no, I don't think it's a conversation though. I think it's like a punchline from a Manzan comedy duo is, you know, as we graze over the topic
Starting point is 01:24:44 of each of these things, like, Hey, remember when you were a kid and you saw your first nudie mag? Ah, ah, ah, yeah. Wasn't that wild? I remember that's and that's it. That's the end of the thought, you know, and you did like what if you had to insert himself into that? It's like, listen, is it better to give like a 10 year old a graphic pornographic magazine out of a vending machine or
Starting point is 01:25:09 To destroy his faith in adults, right? Hey, you remember the old days when you used to go over to the telephone club and you'd call up all the girls on The phone and then you'd get into these wild saucy raunchy, debaucherous tales on the phone at the telephone club and see if you could meet up offline? That's the ultimate goal. You remember those days, right? It is wild because Kiryu is beloved. People love Kiryu and Kiryu is like a great hero in his own narrative. But I have never in my life read any work,
Starting point is 01:25:47 watched any show or played any game more than Kiryu's games where Kiryu is like, I'm gonna do the right thing. And I'm sitting there going, no, what? That's not the right, what the fuck, that's wrong. You're doing the wrong thing. You're wrong. You're doing the wrong thing. You're wrong. You're actually doing something objectively bad.
Starting point is 01:26:10 But if you have the spirit though, if you have the spirit and you just, if you keep your head held high and you say it with your chest, then at the end of the day it was the right thing. Cause the organ music is backing you up. Like one of the weirdest takeaways is like, is the secret Korean saga is like, listen, there might be Koreans hiding among us at any time. And we can't be looking over our
Starting point is 01:26:39 shoulder for the secret Koreans. Because even if they are evil, I can beat them up when they reveal themselves. And it's like, what the fuck? How is this the takeaway? This is super weird. Yeah, again, just as long as you have resolve and conviction, your actions are correct in retrospect. We can sort out the details later. Incredible.
Starting point is 01:27:13 I think the whole time I don't really know much about Majima except he's the knife-licking rival. Oh, I'll tell you what. Like 80% of his total characterization over the series is in the game you just played Yeah, well, so as the thing that I know of the crazy, you know Leopard jacket man going. Yeah, can you chat? You know, I know that he pops out of the trash and he's the rival right? it's just it's interesting because I Seeing him the first time he walked in with the suit and everything at the cabaret. I was like, oh, whoa, what the fuck? Who's this super suave? His introduction is incredible.
Starting point is 01:27:55 He's like the lord of, you know, of not Maharaja. Anyway, his cabaret club is incredible. The Grand. The Grand. And I thought that there would be a sort of descent into madness to create the character we know. No, it actually happens entirely off screen between the ending and the post credits. It's just, he's just super weird, right? But I mean, even when he's saying goodbye to Shimano like he's um
Starting point is 01:28:27 not Shimano anyway to the other dude um he's like I put on this jacket because fuck it you know he loses everything and he has he spiritually gets broken and then he finds some determination to come back around for Makoto's sake but he kind of just like uh yeah Sagawa um but he kind of just like yeah sagawa but he kind of has like there's like there's the there's the other crazy guy that like dies in the jail that he clearly emulates and like the spirit of that dude's madness go into him like he breathes in so the death fumes and goes a little bit more crazy I guess you get just tiny little pieces here and there. In one and two, you get to hang out with him a lot as a boss
Starting point is 01:29:08 and as a recurring antagonistic force. In four, you get to find out how he lost his eye. And then in five, you get to find out about his ex-wife. Oh, wow. But like, yeah, no Zero was like building us up to like, all right, when's he gonna decide he just wants to go ape shit? And the answer is off camera.
Starting point is 01:29:34 It just happens. He's just like, and like, you're like, oh he's kind of faking it. Yeah, cause you know, the whole bit is like, I'm like, aw man, I wonder how they're gonna meet. I hope it's a really cool moment because I'm a huge fan of like when two characters Have a long build-up and like their first meeting as a thing But then again, I'm also like, oh, but I'm sure in the first game
Starting point is 01:29:56 There might be a scene that might get retconned if you fuck it up by going no It's not it's just like you have an introduction for Majima in the first game and he's like the first guy you meet Okay, so Yeah, so I was waiting to see what would happen here if anything, you know, and then it ends up just being like Actually, we're building up the idea that like oh two ships in the night, you know, which is fine. Um what's interesting is that so Yakuza 0 came out after 4 and 5 and After 0 came out when you run into him, he's faking it less. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:30:31 Interesting. Okay. Okay. Like you can see that there's like a time to turn it on and time to chill out. Because it feels as if the game wrapped up and then they went, wait a minute, some people are gonna be really upset and go, what the hell, they never meet?
Starting point is 01:30:51 So they put in a last, last scene where he goes, Kiryu-chan, and he goes. I think it is awesome that they literally meet for one line of dialogue at the very end of the game. But it makes no sense contextually There's no reason for that ever. How would he even know it's him? Is it happening as the first time and or and the post credit are like a year apart? Okay? Okay, because the because it's just the thought is like
Starting point is 01:31:20 Does he know that that's him and if so, where is that coming from? You know? It's just this kind of like, moment of like, okay, we have to do this because what the fuck? You can't have this whole game go by and not put it in there. But it doesn't make sense, right? Anyway, so.
Starting point is 01:31:39 Don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, I'm not. But I'd like. So. But that's the thing is, I thought that that what they were setting up here was going to be this kind of like degradation into the character that that's nuts. You know, you want to get the offensive zero are like really bad for for Majima. He sucks for him. It does. And when he's at his lowest, you
Starting point is 01:32:01 know, like you that's a real that's a real moment. He's going through but um all the bits After the facts are still these like no you're a pretty fucking stand-up guy And in fact the last bit he does with Makoto with the watch is fucking gangster like Incredible what a boss, you know, so you're saner than ever by the end of that And then it's like and Okay. All right. Here we go, you know So yeah, that was not what I expected them to do at all and that's not the way they went with it and
Starting point is 01:32:41 I guess the other bit is like it's cool It is nice seeing the styles come together to be you know The styles that they're known for that is a cool thing for for both of the legendary styles It also is nice that when you get those styles, they're like they're the game isn't ready for you If you have like they're so overpowered it though It does just though it does suck that like curiou's journey to legend is So much drier than the Cabaret path. When I got to-
Starting point is 01:33:09 Well, that's because you like the Cabaret mini-game. Yes. If you hate the Cabaret mini-game, you would be in hell. Oh, fair enough. The Cabaret mini-game was phenomenal. It was so much fun. But also even- but they put more love into it. Music, makeover, dress up. That's because the Cabaret mini game in some form is going to be in every single game. Okay. But like you, I'm like even objectively, if you're into the real estate, they just made
Starting point is 01:33:38 less to do. They made it drier. You know, there's just not as much going on. And like both games, once you know how they work and you're going through the motions of it, it's just, you know, a simple rote mechanic. But, you know, the Cabaret mini game, you still have that feeling of when you're getting really good at a beer tapper style game, you know, managing the customers coming in, output, input, etc. And like, yeah, the entire time, the money you're doing in the real estate stuff is just so background passive.
Starting point is 01:34:11 Go waste time and then come check back in while the bar fills up. So let me ask you, you've started the Like a Dragon series with Zero and you've now completed Zero with an estimated play time of four years. Now these games come out on average every ten months. So what's the plan for the future for Wooly in the Like a Dragon series? Why does there have to be a plan? Why can't I just live today in the moment? Why does everything have to be a plan? Why can't I just live today in the moment?
Starting point is 01:34:46 Why does everything have to be a big thing? Well, the main reason I ask is because I think you're like a third of the way through seven or something like that. And I remember you talking it up that you really liked it. Yeah, probably less than that though. It was only like 10 hours or so. You know, no, I really enjoyed it. But I realized as like as, you know, over over time, it was like, I was like, Okay, let me see what's worth
Starting point is 01:35:12 seeing. It's not going to be every side quest, but let me see what's what's entertaining. And I had a really good time with a lot of those the really like the the biggest lull was truly just the real estate stuff to get that fighting style. Everything else I did not feel and I was not as annoyed by, but man, that was a huge slowdown in progress. Yeah I don't know. I guess it was a surprise to me as well to discover that you guys did a bunch of shit off camera and just didn't go for the full bit on camera. Well, that was back in the episodes a day time, right? That would have been a year on the old timing.
Starting point is 01:35:56 That would have been way too long. So when the game is good and I enjoy it, I like to see all the good things it has to offer and I do feel as well some obligation in the sense of like a let's play should incorporate those things. It should also be like I'm not going to be able to get like every variant of every path or whatever, but at some point, like with Disco, it's like you're sticking to your choices and going and getting what you can to see as much as you can of the good stuff, but Yakuza, when you have one left
Starting point is 01:36:33 random turn might have you walking into a hilarious Michael Jackson side quest that you can easily just miss. And that's a really fun one you wanna catch and it would be less fun to not get that, but it would be more practical. It sucks to have to be like, ah, this is good, but I don't know if we should do it. It's extra fun because characters like
Starting point is 01:37:01 aforementioned Miracle Johnson, and I think he's in Zero, but Korean drama actor Il-Yu-Jin show up like over and over and over and over as like legitimate side characters that Kiryu just happens to run into. So yeah, that guy's from two onwards? Okay. We've talked about how some of the other games are shorter as well and so on. But I know that this game definitely presented a problem where I was like, I'm enjoying the
Starting point is 01:37:39 main and I'm enjoying the sides and there's just too much game. And this is like while ignoring stuff that, you know, it was like, you can gamble, you can have fun, you can do all of that stuff. Do you want to do the bug mini game with the women? Christ. It just, yeah, it's just too much. And there's no way to properly get all that without having to cut corners somewhere. And choosing where and how to handle that is like it sucks, but it's like okay if I ever did have to go back I would have to create a list of side quests worth doing
Starting point is 01:38:12 knowing exactly where to go to get them and how to keep it on a tight schedule because The the the fun of a game like this in its ability to replace Shenmue is that you can wander through Tokyo You can wander through these two living neighborhoods and just kind of like experience them, you know? But for the purposes of like, yeah, like let's playing it. It needs it has to be on rails. Like there's no but I should mention when I asked you what's next. I didn't ask what's next for wooly versus I asked what's next for wooly the person, the individual. I don't know, man. I don't ask what's next for Woolly Versus. I asked what's next for Woolly, the person, the individual.
Starting point is 01:38:47 I don't know, man. I don't know, I did really enjoy my first 10 hours of seven and I know I could go do that. I also know I could get started on the rest of those games at some point in some way, but yeah, I mean realistically, I'm not gonna play them off-camera if I do come back to the series it'll be on camera and if I do and if I do come back to the series it'll be with a definitive list of side content that's
Starting point is 01:39:18 like worth seeing and how to do that within a like reasonable time frame and structure why do have a piece of mandatory side content for you if you and how to do that within a like reasonable time frame and structure. Well I do have a piece of mandatory side content for you if you ever go back to the Yakuza series. It's called Binary Domain. It's a sub story that's weirdly long, has a lot of shooting in it. Okay, but it still ends with the guitar
Starting point is 01:39:40 and the little note that says end at the end, right? Yeah, actually. And you get your completion points, good, good, good. Yes. Yeah, so that like, I just know that whatever I came back to, it would be planned. I'd be looking at like, okay, here's how long it takes. And if you do mainline it,
Starting point is 01:40:01 and then here's the stuff you do in between, and here's exactly I also Need to go and be like I know that from this point forward You can no longer do this or you will no longer have this access to this side quest or so on Like it would take some of that discovery and you know Fun out of that the the the unknown and such but yeah, I think as well when I When we kind of started out, you know, when Reggie joined and we started doing like these things, there was a discussion and I kind of looked at like how many times we can have a double blind LP versus a semi blind,
Starting point is 01:40:38 right? Semi blinds are always great. Those are historically a really good way for somebody to experience a brand new thing while the other person's able to guide it and keep it on the rails. Double Blind has worked out pretty well so far in the more recent arc of stuff, but here's a franchise that absolutely hits a wall on that. Because it's just, the whole game is about how much there is to it as As somebody who's now gone through all of them. I think the only one I haven't finished this judgment to The ability to have somebody in your vicinity or a trusted person in you know online To just be like this is worth doing. This is not worth doing. Yep, yep, yep. Is stupid vital. And yeah, and again, as people that watch me,
Starting point is 01:41:30 you're kind of used to seeing a, you know, not completionist, but main plus extras, right? If we're going by the HLTB time requirement. Then yeah, I don't wanna have a game where where I'm like I'm cutting out the side shit We're mainlining it or anything like that, you know, so it would just be like alright I know that when I do see this stuff, it'll be great regardless But I'll know exactly What's getting started at what point and when to go for it?
Starting point is 01:41:57 Then it'll just be a point-by-point thing and I like I can give you a really good example Kiwami won, right? The rec's equal to zero. There are like three side quests of value in that whole game. Because in Yakuza 1, 99% of side quests were bump into a guy on the street, he will now try and scam you. When the scam doesn't work, he'll try and kill you. Like that is the same shit like over and over and over and over and over work, he'll try and kill you. That is the same shit over
Starting point is 01:42:25 and over and over and over and over and over and over. It's crazy. It's nuts. How many of them are that? I think that like, yeah, I mean, no matter what, like I said, I'm going to be taking a break. I've had my fill of Yakuza for quite a bit. But of all the compromises you'd have to make to either concede content on camera, time, or in this case just, I guess, foreknowledge of what's coming to some degree, I think that's the least damaging.
Starting point is 01:43:03 And yeah, I wouldn't want to either have to do a like off, because in Elden Ring, the whole last time on Elden Ring bits are kind of like fired. I could just screenshot moments and end up with the okay. Well it's not narrative. Yeah. It's not little adventures. It's like hey, let's check out what was in this cave.
Starting point is 01:43:21 Fun lore and cool boss fight tries, you know? But in this case, it's like an entire build-up of a side quest of a character You're never gonna see again. So yeah, that just doesn't make any sense to do the off-screening shit or whatever So that's how I'm going forward I will say one thing and as this is this is something that I've run into as Somebody playing the games on or near release I have seen this happen a bunch of times with people who grab the games on sale or they've heard people talk it up and they play zero and they're
Starting point is 01:43:52 like, holy shit, this shit's amazing. I want to catch up. And they run into a really strong problem. And that is the like a dragon games are Annual they are annual they'd like they may not come out every year on the dot but like they come out every 10 11 months and They are Mechanically like pretty much the same game over and over for like 17 years. Okay. Yeah When you go like hey, I'm gonna do zero, now I'm gonna do one, now I'm gonna do two, now I'm gonna do three, it kind of feels like
Starting point is 01:44:30 you're playing one game that's like 17 times the size of a regular game, and they all ask you to do the same kinds of side quests and the same kinds of mini games and the same kinds of stuff. They're really similar aside from their narratives and their side quests. It is super easy to burn out and all improvements are very incremental. Yakuza 4 was like, dude, you can go on rooftops and come roadshow now. Whoa. Right? Like, yeah, I also feel like the shit was gonna say not the length, not the older stuff. Oh, yeah, the fighting is like, not every style is built equal.
Starting point is 01:45:25 The combat's like, the combat's pretty goofy at times, you know, sometimes it works well and it's flowing and it's going. Other times it's like very limiting and kind of weird, but overall you have a lot of options and it takes a while to build up the money and get them and sometimes you're going down a pathway of like, these are all money being spent on an incremental point that I don't care about to get to something I might. But if the version of the combat in Zero is like one of the later and thus more refined ones,
Starting point is 01:45:55 I know that going back in time means a rougher version. I will tell you right now. A rougher version. The combat in Zero is the best yeah that's the best series ever got that's the thing that's what I'm thinking of the whole time I'm like this has issues and this is the refined version of it I can feel that the this like the last judgment I, is the only one that gives it a run for its money, but like, right up at the top.
Starting point is 01:46:29 And like, then you get into really weird things where Kiwami 1 is like a worse version of Zero's combat, but then Kiwami 2 is an improved version of Six's combat because it was a different engine and then three is Just three from like 2006 and is now the worst playing of all of them And because of the way the remakes and re-releases went as you go numerically you're bouncing between times And it's super weird. It's super fucking weird What about the action in like the last curiou sides game? Guidance yeah, it's good, but it's a little goofy because they're trying weird weird stuff that that is a DLC Like it's not a DLC. It's a full release, but
Starting point is 01:47:24 It's better it's probably the best that the Dragon Combat has been outside of Judgment. Okay. Yeah. And you know, there's always, there's always, yeah, again, I'll see how I feel in the future. But I also know that there's also left field possibilities as well. You know, I've discussed and been told about a couple of different options, but besides the, there's the Kiwamis and the threes and fours and all that stuff, like the wild possibility of going to something like, what was it?
Starting point is 01:47:58 It was the PS2 version of Yakuza 1. That could be interesting that people have not seen. That could be an interesting way. Woolly, I need to stop you right now. Whoever told you that was fucking with you because the Yakuza PS1, that's the game that came out in 2004, sorry, PS2, came out in 2004, that's the first one I played. There's two things going on in that that is going to make you lose your mind. The first of which is holding R1 to lock onto an enemy and dash to the side was invented
Starting point is 01:48:39 for fucking Yakuza 2. You're locking on and you're blocking. You have no evasion at all. And the second thing is that every single random battle you will ever get into in Yakuza 1, you will have the guy be like, I'll beat you up. And then it will cut to like the thugs or Yakuza Clan Syndicate or whatever, that title screen. And then it will load the game for 20 to 45 seconds while the battle music plays that's that's a that's and That is that's rough every yeah
Starting point is 01:49:10 single time you get into a fight mm-hmm yeah, I mean I think Knowing there's some some bullshit that gets fixed in Kiwami It could be into like I'd go feel it out first if I ever were to take a look, for example, to see what all of that felt like in action. But I do know that it is interesting because a lot of people only have seen Kiwami, for example. So it'd be interesting to see the thing that most people have not seen, you know, it could be a, could be a fresh take on something that people know, but don't know.
Starting point is 01:49:47 But yeah, none of this would be done without generous amounts of research either way. But that was something that was put on the table as like a, oh, okay, I see how that could be different. But all this to say, yeah, the last sequence was pretty fucking tight. It was a lot of fun getting it always is Getting that final, you know arc with both characters going through and I feel as well that's what I was really coming together with the styles and the style switching and Using them for every environment. It was a whole lot of fun
Starting point is 01:50:21 I got the counters in the right place and started to really feel it out And yeah, man on the last QTE Fucking against Shimano no shit. Yeah, God not as a no The glasses guy not a wano not koozay, but she Something sh anyway, she was our he It's been a while. The glasses guy, not Awano, not Kusei, but Shibusawa. You're going into that fucking sick final of the witches, there's more than one dragon, and the fucking game crashes, dude.
Starting point is 01:50:58 And I'm just like. It's pretty easy to forget characters that never come back. Oh, fucking. RGG team Sega, I don't know. So my mistake, the load time between battles is 13 to 20 seconds. Awesome. Not 20 to 40. Boy, I play. Hey, as someone who played King of Fighters for the PlayStation 1
Starting point is 01:51:29 Where between each round it had to load your character in that's wild Because you know what I think the shittiest game to ever have that problem is Final Fantasy 6 on the PlayStation 1 Oh Requires like multiple seconds of loading to get into every single random battle Chrono Trigger Chrono Trigger as well on the Chronicle collection. It's just like, oh my fucking God, why did you even bother? KOF where you have to wait the length of an entire round for the character to load in for the next round. Anyway, yeah, I just, there were bugs that I ran throughout, that happened throughout
Starting point is 01:52:03 the LP, including the item save bug where like your save would get corrupted and your item inventory would be filled up with junk and shit you didn't own. Oh, I never got that one. Holy fuck. Happened multiple times and apparently is a common PC issue. You can just really, you can shut the game down and reload an old save to get to avoid it. But it happened at least two, three times on camera.
Starting point is 01:52:23 And then I want to say the game crashed once or twice off camera as well, but that is the absolute peak worst possible. I think that's the worst one in the history of this let's playing thing I've been doing for as a career. Yeah, I think the last PC port that they did that was like kind of iffy was Kiwami 2 and everything after that has been like rocks all over. A crash on the last moment after an hour of fucking play You know with no saving because it's the point of no return understandably is just absolutely batshit and
Starting point is 01:52:54 I felt like Robbed in the way I felt like when you had to I don't know if you remember sort of the berserk on the dreamcast But like the finale of that game similarly has a last hour that's really fucking hard and you die and you have to restart the whole sequence and there's just no way around it. In this case it was also just like late and it was a matter of time, but a couple people were just like, no, go, go, go do it, go load it up. And I'm
Starting point is 01:53:26 like, fuck this, we're going to YouTube. What about, what about Shadow the Hedgehog? Shadow the Hedgehog also did this to you. That amplified the LP. That was destiny. It couldn't be any better I mean one of the greatest pop-offs of all time at shadow the hedgehog just Just dying The best the fucking best. Yeah No, if it were any sooner than that fight It honestly would have been worse because then I'd have to like not experience a fight which I want to. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:06 So at least it was like hey gameplay is over now just watch the rest and so that's what we did and I guess I'll never get that clear achievo on my fucking account. That's fine. You're not itching to fight Amon are you? I'm good. Is that the secret boss? That is the secret boss. I hear he's lame and terrible
Starting point is 01:54:25 So that secret boss was relegated to the side quest dimension permanently all the way up until Infinite wealth where he entered himself into the main plot as an unavoidable story character That's funny and made it canon that carry you in fact had beat up a mon And made it canon that Kiryu in fact had beat up Amon Okay, the whole time on problem on that note It is silly that like the money that you're fighting over in the plot is just a regular shakedown Of which you've quintupled many times over by that point Well, remember you're still flip-flopping between the nonsense direction. Yeah. Also, it sucks that there's no resolution to the
Starting point is 01:55:05 shakedown stories. They just kind of go on forever. No, they got the money and they went to space to become the world's strongest creature. But like you keep running into them and they just have their last line of repeating dialogue. And I was hoping for some like side quest end kind of thing. But you know, anyway. That's all said and done. Yeah, that was great. I get it. It was absolute nonsense. I look forward to the further adventures of compromised morals and ethics
Starting point is 01:55:38 that exist here. It just seems so insane when you listen to when you're playing the game through the lens of the director and writers speaking to you, you know, as opposed to the actual characters. There is some like they have built this series in such a way that it's like really fascinating because as you go through it now, characters will flip flop because the games you're playing are released in a strange order. Like Kiryu in One is like kind of a fucking brute. Like he's an asshole. Okay.
Starting point is 01:56:11 Like there's that anime to give him just slapping the fucking shit out of Haruka. Okay. She's not even talking mess. Like she's just like, she just won't shut up and he's like pow. But also every game make sure to include something really emotionally resonant from two or three games ago. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:56:36 So like, like three for the longest time was like, you can just ignore three. You can just pretend like nothing in three will ever come back. And then Gaiden and Infinite Wealth were like, we're going to use the core of three story as like the mandatory emotional narrative for this whole game. So if you didn't play three, figure it out, idiot. Everyone who is face captured and performing is incredible. All the Tojo bosses and that crew are just fantastic. A lot of them are comedy actors, which is really funny. That's wild, yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:23 I mean, again, I would expect that, or just dudes from actual yakuza movies You know like the guy who plays kusei has a long history in yakuza film exactly that makes a ton of like you can Just see the face. You're like. Oh, yeah, you've also bro. What is that like seven boss fights? Kusei takes all the beatings for the whole group like a wano gets it once Shibusawa gets it once kusei takes all the beatings for the whole group like Awano gets it once Shibusawa gets it once Kusei takes like five Yeah, yeah, and I mean he's great though, he's great. He really you know, I don't mind it. He's awesome It's like oh man when you were in your 20s
Starting point is 01:58:01 You were where I am right now 20s you were where I am right now but because you're a tough-ass old man but then to just have him and them standing next to fucking Lao Gui just evil zombie resurrected from the depths you know I want you to know that PS one face Chinese version I know yeah cuz a zero I saw after was replaced they have a they have a they have someone else's face there Yeah, it's another guy. It's not like a super like young hot kpop star or anything You know like it's just another guy, but it's a real person's face with a mustache Evil Chinese guy over here. Oh my god, and then same for
Starting point is 01:58:40 Shimano the evil boss of over Majima who's just absolute like zombie kingpin madness you don't look human it's insane how unhuman they look yeah yeah big old fat evil good stuff good stuff I like it when my shit doesn't crash. Shout outs to the fucking the worst one in my entire LP. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Beyond that, you know, the it should be done as of today. But yeah, man, that to XKO Alpha Lab was a lot of fun. It was cool as well towards the end. I saw Sean Unconquable, the director, jumped on and was in the lobbies playing some games
Starting point is 01:59:34 and I got some matches in against him as well just to see and like yeah, cock fucking, you know, got swept properly and I'm like, okay, okay, take in notes to see what the potential is here. It is cool to see that the spirit of Rising Thunder's patch notes continues to be clear and transparent here because the patch notes in Rising Thunder are always incredible because we talked about how they would tell you what they changed, why they changed it, what the original move was supposed to be, where that fell short, and what the changes now encourage. Awesome. Loved that about them. Like this is what our intention with this and this is what had actually happened with this.
Starting point is 02:00:20 So we're gonna tweak it down or up or whatever. And so as they've been, you know know getting the feedback from people that are like hey this is rough for beginners that don't know what's going on and what are we gonna do about touch of deaths and what we how do we feel about balancing and some of the characters and where that's at. Touch of death is fine but I think everyone can agree that Ari's like combo chain is like it just you're just sitting there. Exactly. It's a long time. A million percent. I would prefer her to kill you in one loop. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:47 Than the nonsense she has going on. She has the worst of it, so that's going to get adjusted for sure. Apparently, she's been reworked a couple of times, and this is the version they arrived at. But it's still like, it makes you, like if you're like an old Marvel player, and you played like Storm and characters
Starting point is 02:01:03 like that with lots of flying and everything, you kind of enjoy that. But for the most part, it gets way too long for a regular bread and butter to do the same amount of damage. Yasuo... It's like there's a timeout consideration at certain points in the match, and that's ridiculous. Yeah. Yasuo has some really long combos as well that are like high execution, but like nothing
Starting point is 02:01:20 on her level. And in addition to that, to like her assists, it is... Is broke. It's actually like not working correctly. It doesn't scale damage when you use it in a combo and it's the only assist that picks you up off the ground as well. So people can do just a full regular bread and butter,
Starting point is 02:01:38 get that pickup, do it again. She gets, yeah, it's nuts. She's gonna get continuously reworked, I'm assuming, and touched again, so we'll see. They more or less acknowledged that. They also kind of were saying, because they put a video out, the point I was getting at is that like,
Starting point is 02:01:54 they released a video to go like, hey, we're in the middle of the alpha lab right now, let's talk exactly about the feedback we're getting on that stuff. And that's good transparency, I do appreciate that. You know, there were some people that were like oh you guys like they just said nothing but I'm like no they're giving you an idea of like where the philosophy is behind what they're changing and why, where this
Starting point is 02:02:14 is going and it gives you an insight into it because something that has been a longer standing issue has been lack of transparency with where our game is going and what the decisions are from time to time. So they pretty much confirmed that like yeah something like a touch of death is expected to be in the game and is there by design. Oh yeah. But it's supposed to cost a whole lot of resources to do and be... If you want to blow all your tags in every bar of meter in a tag game you should be able to kill somebody with the touch of death.
Starting point is 02:02:45 Yeah. So they should be rare and expensive. That's what the intended utility is. And in a tag game, a touch of death is ultimately okay compared to others because you still have another character that jumps in. And this game removes incoming, which is that moment the character jumps in and you can position yourself to hit them immediately. that doesn't exist here, right? So it's much more fair to have one of two team members get blown up for all resources
Starting point is 02:03:14 and then you still get a chance to fight back, you know? But yeah, there as well, you know, that tutorial was just explained nothing, was super basic, they're gonna have to rework that and how to explain to people like, you know, that tutorial was just explained nothing was super basic. They're going to have to rework that and how to explain to people like, you know, what's going on with the game. There's a million features that I didn't know about until like the last possible second I found out about like, like training mode has a bunch of cool stuff in it. But there's even things where like if you have your character to that you want to practice with, you'd have to always do a reset position and then switch to that second character.
Starting point is 02:03:49 It'd be annoying to have to go back to the character select screen just to swap the order. If you hold the tag button and then press the reset button, it permanently swaps them. Oh, that's nice. Little things like that that were just like not clear at any point. All of that needs to be explained and upfront
Starting point is 02:04:04 and the game needs to fucking tell you what's going on. There's abilities with the fuses that were not explained either, like double down, which lets you go from one super into your second character super is also the- Bro, the phrasing on that saying it goes from one character's alt to the other character's alt made me think that it exclusively worked with level threes right but it doesn't know they mean it means supers but I alt is is league and overwatch terminology right so yeah Q is that the button or is it E no it'd be R it was an
Starting point is 02:04:41 R okay one of them yeah so you you have here where that lets you let someone start to do their super and then you can switch to your other partner if they're on screen. Yeah, that's the one I use. And like other fuses don't let you do that. That's the only one that does, you know? It's really strong too. Yeah! Like the scaling on the supers is really Forgiving damage was amped up for this alpha so that they could like see what rounds were like if they were faster You know because you do have yeah turn it turn it down well, so something that's unusual about about to XKO is you
Starting point is 02:05:19 Fight both characters you win and then that's the end of round one and then there's still around two and three and most tag games like Marvel or Dragon Ball have it be like well when all characters are dead. The whole match is your characters. Yeah yeah yeah so here there's a full thing so like yeah having the damage be high is also what the thought of like oh well you're gonna go into the other rounds and carry your resources over there's a bit of a balance around that too. But if they can fix those things and if they can make that front end less cluttered and smooth it out, because yeah, I feel like the front end
Starting point is 02:05:54 is very alpha as well, they got some good shit going. I think we talked about how great the lobbies are, but you go from this, oh God, not these little avatar lobbies again. Okay, let's see how it, and then the spectating feature just turns the whole thing on its head.
Starting point is 02:06:10 Yeah, and then actually walking over to your setup, you know, with your little avatar is actually very satisfying. And you really do have that feeling of like, oh yeah, when you're standing in an arcade, there's an element that's not just playing the game you wanna play or or, you know, queuing up your quarter, it's walking around
Starting point is 02:06:28 and just watching people play. And they- And what are people doing over here? Yeah. Oh, that Darius is crazy. And it seems so obvious, but it seems like this is the first fighting game that's like remembered that part of it, where it's like, you know,
Starting point is 02:06:41 when you're walking through and you look at a match and you're like, oh shit, and you stop to watch behind the shoulders of people playing, that experience, it, where it's like, you know, when you're walking through and you look at a match and you're like, oh shit, and you stop to watch behind the shoulders of people playing, that experience, it's real. That's a thing worth preserving and putting into the game. And so that makes this type of lobby feel way better. And it also loads those replays and spectating matches in so quickly.
Starting point is 02:07:02 When you want to spectate in Street Fighter VI, you have to fucking queue up on the machine. You have to do a whole bunch. Get the loading screen and then fast forward in crazy speeds to get to the active point of the match. And that's one of the better versions in recent memory. Here, it just automatically is playing on the big screen. And then if you walk up to any other cabinet,
Starting point is 02:07:24 it just within Six or seven seconds turns the main screen off and loads up that replay So the fact that you can just watch other people's games and what they're doing and how that's going is as humongously fun It's great and it captures another element of arcades that you know, yeah was lost So good stuff from this alpha lab very good stuff from this Alpha Lab. Very good stuff. Very impressive, Alpha. Yeah. Something I was thinking about from the last conversation we had was about how, you know, we're looking for the freak picks and how the current cast is super safe, right?
Starting point is 02:07:53 They're really safe. I remember that when you brought that up. And something that hit me after the fact was, do you remember when we were talking about Rising Thunder's death and how it was like, oh damn, people just wanted a cool human, but instead they got these weird robots that they don't care about. I do remember that.
Starting point is 02:08:13 And even in the robot. This is the opposite. This is the correction to the overcorrection. Even in the robot context, all those robots were super normal. But them being robots was enough for people to be like, I don't want to fuck with this weird shit. Okay, you're right. You're totally right. Like, at the same time, this is coming like they want to get that league audience in and the league audience wants their freaks. Like the people if they don't see Cho'Gath or Kog'Maw or Fiddlesticks or Nautilus or
Starting point is 02:08:47 Teemo, they're gonna lose that, like, dude, there are people in this cast that could, like, Cho'Gath is the fucking Xenomorph. Yeah. Like... I think that, like, it's, I can look at a robot and be like, oh, that's a fucking Ryu robot. That's a main character as robot. That ain't that's fucking Akira from Virtua Fighter. That ain't nothing special.
Starting point is 02:09:10 You know, Chell is doing the show to moves and it's very basic. But it still was enough that just on aesthetic, there was a lot of just mainstream complaint that what people were just not that interested in the game, you know it wasn't a like My little pony Friendship is magic style thing before them fighting her even but it still was enough that like we talked about How the the like ah if this just had a bunch of cool humans, you know
Starting point is 02:09:42 People would have latched on onto that a little bit more. And I mean, it wouldn't have been the difference between a massive popular explosion and not at all because there's other games out there that, I mean, Killer Instinct is a fucking fantastic game that's got people in it. It's just launched on a system that people weren't fucking with at the time and even later after the fact when it's really, really good, it's still limited by that. But all this to say that I think the safe group you see here is the kind of the bones of rising thunder shooting past
Starting point is 02:10:13 to the opposite direction of like, okay, here's the safest and most widespread appeal you're gonna get for now. Yeah, that is a fish man. Look at it. That's a fish man. Look at that. That's a fish man with a little hat. He's got a he speaks with a Cajun accent. His name is Tom Kinch. He's gotta get in there. So, somebody in the chat points out that Riot has actually come out and said that for League of Legends, the
Starting point is 02:10:37 cool, attractive, human-looking characters are by far the most played and then that means I'm wrong and that people won't riot when the freaks aren't there. I think there's a difference between most people prefer the normies which is obviously true and there are people out there that appreciate the fact that not every single character on the list is a normie? Yeah, that's a fair distinction. We got an interesting message from somebody that I looked at earlier that was a comparison of the most popular characters in League in North America versus the most popular characters in China. And it was like... They're different. Yeah. Well, there's some overlap, right. And
Starting point is 02:11:30 the overlap is like, whoa, forever. So like, um, attractive, cool, young, you know, uh, hot girls forever. Um, And- People like attractive women. Attractive people. But attractive, cool, modern aesthetic, you know, that's all to be expected, of course. Same thing for the guys as well. The list for China in particular was like mainly just the Hot Anime Girls. The list for North America was Hot Anime Girls, a couple of Hot Anime guys, and some monsters and beasts, but the edge freak cool beasts.
Starting point is 02:12:14 Such as? Can you remember any off the top of your head? There was, well like Thresh was one of them, right? Thresh is like weirdly popular. I think it's because he's got the box. Thresh has, remember that robot in Mecha Break that could put you in the box? Thresh puts you in the box,
Starting point is 02:12:32 and putting people in the box is fucking fun. Okay, because yeah, I think any characters that look like a badass World of Warcraft thing, big armor glowing with energy and runes all over it and a big cool weapon. That's gonna do well in North America, you know? You might need the like the Kum-Hei-Hyun version in Japan to have like, oh there's a cute girl underneath the big armor. To be like, oh yeah there she is.
Starting point is 02:13:04 Now that'll be that'll work but that would that's though That's the main difference between the two top I think top 20 characters or so on both sides, you know So yeah, that's gonna be a big part of it But like I like we said not to have the whole conversation again They said they're looking for those Venn diagrams to not overlap and so we can expect They said they're looking for those Venn diagrams to not overlap and so we can expect them to not just pick everything safe. So the only thing I'm worried about is how tall Braum is. Because Braum is like a tall person and he's almost touching the life bar.
Starting point is 02:13:39 There are two or three characters, like I'd like to see Nautilus or Mordekaiser, but Nautilus or Mordekaiser would be like PX 40 from Lost Planet size. Oh shit gold light hand. Would Blitzcrank be like the biggest? Blitzcrank would also, Blitzcrank and Nautilus and Mordekaiser are all like Aghanous. Gotcha. Fucking huge guys. Yeah and Nautilus and Mordekaiser are all like agonos, fucking huge guys. Yeah. And I would like a enormous, gigantic big body character.
Starting point is 02:14:15 Make it work, yeah. They'll get instantly overheaded, everything will fuzzy them, and build for it, you know? I absolutely am on board for that. We'll see how nuts they go. But that moment when everyone looked at Abigail and went, can you jump over him? Yes. But it's like there was a- It's going to look weird.
Starting point is 02:14:38 But there was a moment where the thought was maybe not. And yeah, I want to wanna return. I wanna be in that place again. Like I would be, like I've mentioned PX, whatever the fuck, from Lost Planet, from Tatsunoko. I would love if they're like, you know what? Nautilus gets to go in and he is the only non-tag character. Okay. He's just fucking big. Tatsunoko did do that and it did bust that game up because
Starting point is 02:15:08 the Giants were more fucking god tier by comparison. It was insane. It was completely insane. But yeah. I hope that we, and I expect that they're gonna continue to be like pretty transparent about how that the game's coming along So just close your heart to it and you'll you'll see it at some point But I'm not my heart will not close until I see Timo and his mushroom bullshit Hidden bombs on your HUD bombs hidden in your in your life in your I think the goofiest thing is that Timo's poison mechanic already has a fighting game analog because Timo can cash out his mushrooms so he could work like Aki okay my only I only know him from from
Starting point is 02:15:58 Runeterra's version so it's like if you could put a mushroom bomb or whatever on the assist and have it not activate until they call them out the next time And then both get by I think I'd be fun the most Toxic way you could possibly use Timo is that he has a move that puts a mushroom on a random Special move and the next time you do so that if you use that special move you will just explode Shit, okay Is that kind of his kitten league? So that if you use that special move, you will just explode. Oh, shit. Okay. Is that kind of his kit and league? His league is about hiding mushrooms in the lane so you don't know where they are.
Starting point is 02:16:31 You just walk on them and you go, fuck! His kit in the card game is you put the mushrooms on the cards, but you don't know what cards the mushrooms are on. Okay. Being faithful to the original would mean screen pollution, which we which we... Invisible screen pollution. That's testament. Yeah, he'd be like testament. Yeah, very very very... Or an out-of-the-waying archetype. Yeah, anyway, so we'll end up seeing but shoutouts to Hold Back to Block. Just put out a video on the designing of the characters
Starting point is 02:17:07 from their original moveset and then turning that into the fighting game moveset. It was cool to see how Illaoi's original tentacle play got brought over and then Yasuo and stuff. Illaoi's is super accurate. It's insane how faithful it is. You see the big slam and then the tentacles pop out of the ground and then the summons And it's like oh, yeah, that's all It was like I'm gonna use the tentacles placement to do area denial and make combos and her shit in the fighting game
Starting point is 02:17:34 Is I'm gonna use it for area denial and combo and when the tentacles out it makes the things I'm doing better You know like super cool, and it helps your partner, too You can even find ways to incorporate it into your team. Yeah and Darius' kit got maintained really well. It's the hook into the dunk. Does Illaoi do the dance? 100% she does the dance. When you press forward at the round start, her taunt is, she does a little jig. Yeah. Anyways. And then Ari's like normal. That's her kit.
Starting point is 02:18:07 She's like one of the first characters they ever made and she's there. Oh, so she's not maximum annoying zoning? No, she's a mid. Okay. So she is zoning and she has her charm, but her charm is part of her level three. Yeah, I'll have to see what more there is to it, but I guess personality-wise and outfit-wise, I'm like, oh, that's just like a cosplay character. That's just a person to get drunk.
Starting point is 02:18:37 Oh yeah. Put some ears on, put some Naruto cheeks on your fucking face and call it a day. Anyways, anyways, 2x KO. Yeah, so Elden Ring continues, Shadow of the Archery. Not much to it, but I got to the Shadow Keep. That area is complicated. Some people are starting to make moves, you know, we're starting to see some NPCs do stuff. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:19:05 So you got to see that wonderful text crawl that's like, hey, the rune broke. And everyone just starts to act like a massive fucking asshole. Well, immediately I just like I said, the rune broke and then a seal broke. And I was like, okay, I know where one of these two things is that you're talking about, but I don't know where the second one is. But I had found the door that opened up already. Oh yeah, that's a good door, that's a good area. It's a cool door, it's a cool door.
Starting point is 02:19:33 It is funny to see, you know, in these games, and again, we're at a point where everyone is probably playing with the internet up and browsing on Discord or chatting with people as they're playing, so decisions mean a little bit less. But so far, everything has been like, anytime an NPC asks you a question, there's been nothing too deceitful.
Starting point is 02:19:52 Being generally nice to people tends to yield the expected reward. But it is funny when Lita is like, hey, should we go kill someone? And you're like, let me take a second to go chat with them first. And then you do, and you come back, and she's like, yeah, I made up my mind. You know? All right, Lita, you're, all right.
Starting point is 02:20:13 Cool, thanks. Makes sense as to why Mikala used mind control on your shit. And then, yeah, and then there was that brief moment where, you know, say, don't, don't, don't go over, well, again, we might see more that brief moment where, you know, say don't go over, again, we might seem more or less, I don't know, but Moog's servant kind of made the implication that like, you know, he was ensnared as well. He was bewitched. I want you to understand that he was not the Moog Lester.
Starting point is 02:20:44 He was the Micka Lested. It not the mogul Esther. Yeah, he was the Mickel ested It was the other way around his mind was abused first right anyway, oh The way I read it was like a moment of confusing implications. So I just kind of was like, oh is that confer? I wasn't sure if it was certain or not and it was it was awkward totally certain Yeah, it was a bit it was a bit like I didn't internalize it when I read it or so but like yeah that seems to be what they're getting at there so whoopsie-doodle Mikala's mine is mine and mine alone enough beat the allegations it seems
Starting point is 02:21:19 yeah yeah out of all people and was Mo mogue the lord of blood hey, man That's my that was my fucking favorite boss fight, so I'm I'm you know let's go Let's I'm ready to celebrate. I got my fucking R. Kelly album ready to play outside the classroom like a fucking asshole God fuck I can't believe people Anyways um like a fucking asshole. Oh god, fuck. I can't believe people did. Anyways. And we got that one corner where like we see some people doing the blood magic with the thing in their hands
Starting point is 02:21:55 and then they make reference to the formless mother. So I guess we'll find out a bit more about his deal hopefully. But yeah, that's all continuing. So a little more time with the Elden Ring DLC over on the main channel. And yeah, we also have a slot. So currently doing my research and kind of seeing what to jump into. But definitely feel like doing a couple of shorter things before anything super long and committal gets dropped in there
Starting point is 02:22:27 again. It would be a good time to get some short things out. Yeah, that's when I finished the last thing and I did Dawn Trail and Elden Ring and I was like, that's why I'm like faffing around and dishonored and like the next thing that I'm going to really put my foot into is like Space Marine in like two weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. I mean, you know, it is, though it was fun to get a little live action intro for Yakuza Zero and then to do another, we got it,
Starting point is 02:22:55 we did a second one in case you didn't see it. Like we did the first one, but then after the Friday night one, there was a Breaking the Law, Breaking the World intro we did as well. So, good shit. a breaking the law, breaking the world intro we did as well. So, good shit. Gonna do a quick little pass through a game that I never got around to playing called Dino Crisis.
Starting point is 02:23:21 Dino Crisis one? Yeah. Dino Crisis one and Dino Crisis two are so different, it's so weird. Ah, cool. Well, turns out there's a Dino Crisis classic rebirth PC release. So you can play a version of the game on PC with really 4K textures. And it's been optimized in some other ways. So yeah, we're going to go take a swing and play as Regina or Regina, however, I guess
Starting point is 02:23:51 I'll discover how you say it. I believe it is Regina. I'm not 100% certain. Yeah, Classic Rebirth is what it's called. It's on Archive.org, I believe. You can just go get it right there, you know, for the future. Prosterity, It has been preserved It's really short game right so, you know, it is it all those old several horror games are quite short. Mm-hmm
Starting point is 02:24:15 So yeah, I've always it's always been a blind spot. I've been curious about so yeah, we're gonna take a look at that I think it'll be about maybe two sessions or so should be Unless those puzzles trip you up. I remember the puzzles in Dino Crisis being tough. But I was also like nine years old. Yeah, well, so. But it's an old, you're young, but it's also an old game, which means it could have been built worse, you know?
Starting point is 02:24:38 So both things play against it. Yes, you were younger, but they also didn't figure out how to not make things as dumb, You know, so we will see. And Donna crisis aged in a really strange way because the environments are all really simple. But you have to remember that it was like nine to 2000 or 99. And so you're like, Oh my god, the environment's moving. Holy shit. It was after what was the last RE when they dropped it? I want to say two or three. I think let me go check that. I imagine I imagine after three.
Starting point is 02:25:21 Donald crisis was 99. So it came July. So I think it came out alongside three between two and three whoa already three was no not 2020 that's wrong yeah so re3 was September Donna crisis was July okay that's yeah back when things were a matter of months and not like years oh man I was talking about that on social media the other day and like Somebody there's a tweet going around them. I was like, hey you remember when you could get like all three Mass Effect games on like one console Mm-hmm, cuz they were you just Two years time for another Mass Effect game. Yep. Yep. Yep. And I brought up the fact that like, okay
Starting point is 02:26:03 So I'm born in 86. By the time I finished high school, I got to see or play every Final Fantasy game up to 11. But if you were born in 2003, when I graduated high school, you got to play 12, 13, 15, and that's it. But 13 gets broken down into fucking three games. Yeah, whatever Yeah, and then and 15 was really 13 versus Yeah, but it's like no 15 is really also 13, right? Yeah
Starting point is 02:26:37 Don't like people don't get it with people are like wondering why us old people have these like super intense feelings towards these fucking like old franchises or companies. I brought up um like the time that we went to high school Blizzard put out the best game that had ever come out every year and like Starcraft came out in summer of 98 and then Brood war came out in the winter of 98 We do this we do this we do this once a year we do we do we do the 1998 rent every year, you know Only bit I'll say this time around is that back then those releases were also the ones where it was like if the game was 25 hours it was like holy shit. There so much oh my god that's crazy there's so much game so you know now things have
Starting point is 02:27:33 to have that that extra long filler and fluff and and so on you just so yeah sure oh you know before we get rid of news a bunch of Silent Hill 2 remake stuff came out Ah, like I like 45 minutes of total footage. I was I was I wasn't done. Oh, sorry Sorry mistake. Well, I just wanted to so yeah, I'm gonna do We're gonna be doing Dino Crisis classic rebirth next should be about two sessions and then right after that we're gonna jump into another series that I have wanted to pull a bandaid on and I think I'm gonna probably have to relax my throat to Get enough
Starting point is 02:28:17 Rest for this one can't you can't I'm doing it. Don't you I'm doing hold on. Let me let me type it to you I'm doing it You are not doing this Yeah, I'm doing it. Don't you? I'm doing it. Hold on. Let me let me type it to you. I'm doing it You are not doing this Yeah, I'm doing it. Oh No, your throat. I'm doing it. It's gonna hurt. Oh It's gonna really really really hurt. Oh Don't do voices. It's I hey don't do voices. You're gonna want to do voices. Don't do voices. I've done the thousand-year door with voices I've done all of ff9
Starting point is 02:28:53 With voices and I've read an entire book on stream. I've worked my muscles up. I Think that you Wendy oldbag will kill your shit. We will find out. We're doing Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ah, it'll be, we'll have to just rest up and you know, I'll have to make sure again, have lots of water. But yeah, we're gonna go right into that. I make Reggie do Wendy. I
Starting point is 02:29:32 Save yourself I will I will I will take the brunt of the the weight on voice if need be but This is a yeah. This is a game with a lot of talking. So I'm gonna give it a shot and we'll see. At the very least, I know that the first game is, it's about 22 or so, maybe add more for the wooly time. Depends how smart you are. We will. No, you're not gonna have trouble.
Starting point is 02:30:02 The fifth case, the bonus case, that's diabolical. But that can be really tough. And before any commitments to the future of the franchise or anything, I'm gonna do this one, I'm gonna see how it goes. I've been working myself up towards a game like this that I can handle the talking on. Remember that I've also said publicly that I'm interested in playing fucking... not Pathfinder. No. What was it? I'm playing that right now. We would just all die. No, no, no, no. A Planescape Torment. Yeah, that is a game that has about as much words in it as Disco Elysium. I've talked about the desire to do that as well.
Starting point is 02:30:50 So I've worked up my ability to talk a little bit more and so we'll take a crack. Because yeah, I've always wanted to do Phoenix Wright. The re-release did not add voice acting unfortunately so That's coming up Right behind right behind dino crisis as well, and I think If worse comes to worse and I get like Two and a half to three hours into a case and my throat is just fucking killing me Then we will be ending the stream prematurely.
Starting point is 02:31:27 So me and Paige have both done Ace Attorney streams and we both got two hours in and went, fuck, and gave up. But, but we were so low during those streams. We didn't have a Reggie. There's that, There is that. Use him for everything he's got. Just ring him out like a rag.
Starting point is 02:31:53 That came off different than I anticipated. That's a bit much. Yeah. I read the entirety of the fucking disco novel. You know what I mean? Like with the right prep I can do I can I can do it But it has but I've had to fly back to train the muscle, you know when I originally played disco Not voice acting in addition after an hour playing on my own. I absolutely tapped out
Starting point is 02:32:18 But we it's really funny how all three of us had the exact same thing where we're like this game looks so cool Let's stream it. Oh, fuck. Maybe they'll add voice acting one day. And then they did. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tap out if I start, if my throne is punishing me, you know. I ain't trying to fuck up my future career for the, for fucking Phoenix Wright. That ain't happening. But yeah, so that's the plan for now. So check it out. Woolly Versus on Twitch and career for the for fucking Phoenix Wright that ain't happening but yeah so that's the plan for now so check it out wooly versus on Twitch and on YouTube wooly versus the algorithm the side channel as well we have the big special yeah the best of year two is out now so go check it out over there if you want
Starting point is 02:33:02 to see what's been going on Crabtree put together an awesome compilation of just all the best bits of the second year and yeah it's about half an hour of just just good lulls good fun. So go peep it, subscribe there as well if you haven't and that's that's that's where it's at. Okay so last little bits you were talking about Silent Hill news? They put out a lot of footage. It wasn't even news. It was like, hey, okay, here's like 45 minutes of gameplay footage of Silent Hill 2. And all I can think about is that it's going to be impossible to live up to the expectations of the old voice acting. And I think that by doing those cutscenes where we saw people talking was maybe the
Starting point is 02:33:52 worst way they could have possibly shown the game because they showed off these long stretches of footage of James wandering around the creepy town. And that part, the vibes are correct like it's got that good like okay ominous but not too threatening feel and that stuff looks fine okay and this this remake looks like it'll probably be competent but with complaints like the outfit change for example, mm-hmm and It just feels like I Was thinking about what you often say is how? We would just be had the the perception of this remake would be so different if you could just readily play Silent Hill 2
Starting point is 02:34:54 No problem original and you are comfortable in the fact you could just play Silent Hill 2 whenever you wanted Instead of this game replacing it You Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You, yeah, I guess the... Because the overall fear the entire time I've been hearing from you and Silent Hill fans has been just the, like... The idea that, oh, my God, this is not the team
Starting point is 02:35:17 that understands it, and there's a lot of missing the mark that... Yeah, I mean, you can get super nitty gritty and be like, the reason it was done this way was because of this, and they didn't do it this way because they didn't get it. Right. Now, there's always room for the fact that Silent Hill, as one of the most beloved
Starting point is 02:35:35 silent survival horror games of all time, has been left up to over analysis. And there will be things that were just incidental and unexpected and unintended that have been interpreted as masterstrokes of genius that are just not going to carry over. And again it's not like Bloober team didn't mean anything to inspire confidence with their previous entries right. But I guess if overall the feeling is not like, oh my god, you destroyed and fucked it up like
Starting point is 02:36:09 you did with the collection. There's still a place you can land where it's like, all right, but why? You know, why? Like, why like this? And it it sucks that like, you have the collection where everything is so garbage and fucked up and it's worse than it used to be. You have this place you could land in where it's like okay it's not 100% but there's things that you are doing that you are missing the mark on. But now you have a comparison point like Resident Evil 2 where you're like they changed it and made it better in every possible way. And you had the ability and time to do that and you just didn't do
Starting point is 02:36:49 it. Like I talked for a lot. And they gave up on games overall. About Resident Evil 2's remake, right? And we're both nuts. So we were going through and chatting about every single little detail and we'll be like they missed the mark on this or this was Important and they didn't include it and whatnot like me and Susie are both of the opinion that like the single most Interesting room in Resident Evil 2 is a room called the marshaling yard, which is not in the remake It's just not there at all. Mmm, which room all. And that's a massive bummer.
Starting point is 02:37:25 What's that? Which room is that? It's a room in the, so did you, no you didn't see Claire's campaign. And the marshaling yard is the area when you come out of the sewers and you find the tram that descends into the underground lab.
Starting point is 02:37:39 And in the remake, that room does not exist. Okay. That whole area just does not exist. And it also has one of the best pieces of music in the game. And so we're both like really, really bummed. But overall, like, yeah, no, Resident Evil 2 remake is a really cool, interesting like redo of that thing in a much better, more modern context, but also there's never been any problem buying RE2 ever. You have never been more than 15 feet away from a copy of RE2 for your whole life.
Starting point is 02:38:15 They're everywhere. And I would say that with RE and now with FF7, you can definitely be like, hey, play the original, and then this remake has stuff to offer you, you can definitely be like, hey, play the original. And then this remake has stuff to offer you, you should play that as well. You know? Is this going to land in that category? You know, I don't know. I, I, I'm trapped because like every single cut scene they show, I'm like, I don't think any of the dialogue and any of the voice acting is hitting the same way the original did
Starting point is 02:38:46 And granted I'm seeing it out of context in trailer form or little bits and pieces So maybe I'm but you know Yeah The biggest tragedy would be a whole new audience of people being introduced to this beloved game for the first time and getting a milder Milk-toast version of what used to hit fucking hard, you know? Yeah. So, no re-release to even point to. So maybe I am just a hater, but I'll try and...
Starting point is 02:39:11 No, I get it. I get it. Having played the original and seen at this point what was going on there, it's like, you've taken away the ability to be like, at least just go get this original version, because it's like, at least just go get this original version. Because it's like, you can't, right? You got to put work into it that a lot of people are not willing to fucking do. I mean, it's easy enough to get- Apparently, they're going to take that Metal Gear collection and they're going to upgrade
Starting point is 02:39:39 it to 4K at some point via some patches and fix the remaining sound bugs and if they do that, hey great, who could ever complain about MGS Delta? Yeah, I guess we're still just seeing the not just the wrong approach that they've taken in the past with the franchise but the fact that Konami tapped out of video games for so long and is coming back around now, you know, with it as kind of like an after, well, it was an afterthought and now they're gonna try to pick these IPs back up. But, you know, has their time away? And then, you know, I guess the amount of money they're willing to spend on it, like, just forever compromised it in such a way that like whatever you get from Castlevania Go or this or MGS at some point
Starting point is 02:40:32 Coming out for Dead by Daylight any rules Cool, but like can I get a goddamn Castlevania game? There might be the end of the thought is there might be an asterisk behind anything you get You know coming out of them from now on you know so anyways um Yeah, the love Dracula All right, let's Let's just yeah, let's take some letters. Yes, I'll send in letter to castlesuperpeacemail at gmail.com. That's castlesuperpeacemail at gmail.com.
Starting point is 02:41:12 So yeah, Chris, sure enough. Hey, Willy and also Pat, my partner and I watched the Yakuza Zero ending crash and wanted to share our own horrible fuckup. We were trying to beat the secret third form of the final boss from Tales of Vesperia. The first attempt, we didn't have the right items to trigger the third form unlock so we had to go back and try again. The second attempt, my sister's boyfriend tripped a breaker and caused the power to blink and shut the system off. The third attempt, my dog jumped up and managed to hit the eject button on the Xbox.
Starting point is 02:41:45 That's great. That's fucking great. We eventually got it done, but it was a miserable slog to get there. Have you had any other horrible game crashes? I mean, I have one. I was at a mutual friend's house or a former mutual friend's house and we were playing KOF 11 and I was playing as K and
Starting point is 02:42:17 I threw my sunglasses all the way from corner to corner and They hit and I started up the super combo that would and this fucking dude got up and fucking kicked the PS2 off so that the round didn't win. And then we got into an argument and he's like, dude it's just a game. It's not that serious The the IRL rage quit is wild that's good. That's that like to be in the room You know to look home, but then I'd look around yeah, I also remember that was also the pioneer
Starting point is 02:43:03 He also pioneered the tech of the rage power off, but like not with but like just quietly power off, unplug console and place gently inside of the garbage bin. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, it was just a it was a gentle power down unplug and into the garbage you go until I'm done with you until I until I change my mind But for now, that's where it is Powerful I had a buddy of mine who used to play a lot of Gran Turismo and he would get into the
Starting point is 02:43:38 He would get into like the 24-hour Le Mans races Rismo god, okay And power outages would ruin his shit. Oh, fuck. Yeah. No, if you're doing flight simulator, like training, you know, with real flights, like I get it. That sucks. Yeah, no, I mean, again, Shadow the Hedgehog hedgehog I think like the greatest crash of ever But I'm also fucking horrible noise. I'm also a huge fan of the though the Naruto Gekken Ninja Taisen to four-player Sasuke cursed seal. Mm-hmm. Everybody spits out
Starting point is 02:44:23 The fireball super and just makes the GameCube die. Yeah, that's good stuff. Huge fan of that one. Alright, and yeah, I had, I mean, it wasn't quite a crash, but I have told that I was on the last, I was at the end of Golden Sun and I was saving before going towards the final area and the power on my Game Boy died as it was saving and corrupted my save. And that was the end of my Golden Sun Adventures. Yeah, my FF7 original memory card was a generic cheap ass 24-in-1 memory card and it annihilated my North Cave save so I had to redo the whole fucking game.
Starting point is 02:45:26 Man. Yeah. I've told the story about my brother deleting my save when I got out of Midgar and it took me a really long time to do. I just lost progress. Drives me absolutely nuts, man. Yeah. I also, one of those shitty memory cards, I think it was a Liang number one, or Tomi, back when they were making the garbage fucking secondary or third party market cards for N64. No, it was performance. It was a performance fucking memory pack with a K.
Starting point is 02:46:02 And we had a season of Madden 64 going for a Really long time me my brother and my cousin because that was back when I was playing The Madden games every year and yeah, we had a fucking like months long multiple months long season save that just got corrupted and I Just I remember that title screen music but it at the end as the pack error message is on the screen because we all just stared at it and just fucking died and left it on that screen and like walked away as I was playing the music and it just kept playing for a really long time
Starting point is 02:46:42 because a fucking shitty memory card Corrupted your save, you know having to trust a third-party piece of hardware with your shit Because the real ones are too expensive that era was garbage. I hated that You know as much as I hated that I will say there is one worse era of save games. And it was the Wii U. No way to transfer your save off the Wii U in any way ever under any circumstance and those fucks Invented the tech to store data on a we mode, but they only used it for transferring your me's There's literally storage space on every single we mode that can be used
Starting point is 02:47:39 But no, they've just decided me transfers only Every single time and we had to fucking record a Wii U game somebody had to bring in their fucking console piece of shit man they could awful they could have made those controllers actually store shit for you if needed be yeah yeah yeah yeah all right and one here from Joel hey beastie boys I recently downloaded the demo for Aero GPX. It's an indie successor to F-Zero with a soundtrack by Myron. This got me thinking about how a drift stage will never come out. We managed to get an all-time soundtrack, probably immortalized
Starting point is 02:48:18 behind Willa. Yep, that's on the wall over there. Shout out to Myron. Did an incredible job on the soundtrack. Are there any other games that managed to leave something great despite never releasing besides maybe prototypes that got reworked into newer games? Keep on keeping on. I remember hearing that that Phantom Lapboard was actually pretty good for the Phantom console that never came out. The Phantom, Infinium Labs. Yes, yes. I remember hearing good things about the lap board way back in the day. I feel like We Shall Wake was an awesome high octane character action game that was an indie thing for a while. It was on Patreon and I remember
Starting point is 02:49:01 I was contributing to that for a while hoping that it would come along and I think something got put out but overall the project just never really fully finally released. I might be mistaken on that but I think it ended up kind of going ghostware, vaporware. But it was really cool because the footage of it was just the fastest most insane like a character action shit, you know, and at the time it was like You know this was the era when it's like the only other place to get that level of speed and nuts gameplay in combat was like
Starting point is 02:49:38 Fly canceling and DMC for you know and inertia and shit like that, but by the time five dropped, it didn't have all that, but the insanity of what you can do in DMC 5 does replace the need for these other in-between character action stuff. And when you look at some of those incredible, I mean, the classic Virgil combo by... Fuck, god damn it. Incredible replay Twitter account. No, okay. Anyway, when that came out, it kind of replaced the need for these
Starting point is 02:50:21 kind of in-between wilder games that were leaning into the faster pace soon high legend Thank you So yeah, we shall away kind of comes to mind on that I feel like there might have been one or two other things that like prototyped ideas that never you know never got used but then got re absorbed into other stuff But yeah, man drift stage best soundtrack for a game that never came out
Starting point is 02:50:45 Shirt that I had was pretty good, but then it disintegrated. Yeah. I still have mine. I still have mine. It is pretty fucking awesome. Alrighty. That'll do. I'm sad about Drift Stage.
Starting point is 02:50:58 Yeah. vinyl's car-shaped vinyl so you know hey you can just go listen to Peter Mullen you again oh my god you want you want to hear the stupidest thing I was actually sitting here being sad I'm like I think I'm gonna go watch that fucking terrible I'm like, I think I'm gonna go watch that fucking terrible

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