Castle Super Beast - CSB 285: #DEEKFREEKS: You Can Only Stall the Horf

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

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["Sailor Moon Theme"] All right. Hey, good afternoon, Willie. How are you doing? Hello. So, I see behind you is XBob. XBob, that's right. That's XBob. The Xbox Series X with the googly eyes. It's kind of sad that the Xbox has been reduced to promoting a podcast, you know?

It's pretty funny. Way to protect your legacy, Microsoft. I mean, really, it's just... Way to protect your legacy Microsoft. I mean really it's just yeah good job losers after all this time spent You know this is what this is what the Xbox the great Xbox console is reduced to it's just really embarrassing for the legacy To see it with the googly eyes on it That's what I think I'm missing something. I'm totally... it's flying right the fuck over my head. Do I have to put hashtag Deke afterwards? Oh my god that fucking asshole! That dude's such a piece of shit! You're talking about the writer of Days Gone losing his goddamn mind because the main character

of Days Gone is in astro bot So we talked about that dude on this podcast before I forget his fucking name did it come up before really? Yes, this is round two of it with an individual because we actually I had we actually spoke About John Garvin, so John Garvin My reasons why there's not gonna be a Days Gone 2. Yes, okay. Because he was the asshole that we talked about who was such a piece of shit on the team that Sony made him get anger management.

Okay, okay, okay. Because it's like, this is like, that's all basically the sequence of steps that start from this insane tweet that lead down to the full reveal of everything about the Days Gone franchise. Yeah, he was such an asshole during dev that he was slowing the game's production down by just being horrible to work with. So I mean to back this up to the beginning I guess for context Astrobot has come out and hey try to kill my ps5 Yeah, I heard some shit went down. I was hot that day and I overheated okay

Well, I mean the game is pretty hot is you know the consensus seems to be which again I'm not surprised because I mean even like seeing these little cameo gifts of like Characters and stuff showing up in it is pretty fun But that aside back on the psvr collection of games the astro bot VR game was like One of the best things on that entire collection right and incredible the playroom was just, it was so good for everything else. So like that stood out. And so it's not a surprise to see this come back

and be like, oh yeah, this is also good. And part of this is like a lot of cameos from different PlayStation IP characters showing up. One of which is Deke, AKA Deacon from Days Gone, who shows up in some artwork. And to which John Garvin, the writer of Days Gone who shows up in some artwork and To which John Garvin the writer of Days Gone and the former creative director of Ben Studio Was like Kind of sad to see Deke reduced to promoting other games well done Ben Studio way to protect your legacy

Bro, which everyone is like your PlayStation has ever touched is in that fucking game to which everyone is like you salty bitch Are you out of your mind? Sorry that I'm so mad that my fucking one-off character from a franchise that will never live again Which is just an insane guy on his motorcycle that just screams about yeah, brother Gets to hang out with fucking alucard and solid snake and the fucking blood-borne hunter and crash bandicoot as a fucking equal So this is where I have to check my notes here and go like hold on was this not the motorcycle zombie game? Yes, and like okay. Hold your pretty solid second. Yeah, okay brain Okay Okay, hold your pretty solid second. Okay. Okay. Do you remember the podcast where I described playing a game in which the audio for listening to the radio was set between being on your motorcycle and being on foot.

But if you were on the motorcycle, he'd be like yelling his responses to the guy on the radio because he'd be mad. But those still played even if the motorcycle was at a stop right so You'd be at a stop sitting to the radio, and then fucking Deke would just go on a fucking two-minute rancor I don't know about that Jim to like no one in the woods. It was awesome I mean, it's just like it's wild because I've seen people like talking about what they've enjoyed about days gone I don't know. It's good. You, but like that fucking salty bitch energy sucks, man, and I like credit to MightyKey for very respectfully just being like, the way he phrased it was, I mean this with no malice, but you aren't seeing the bigger picture.

Astrobot is on its way to being one of Sony's most iconic games, and it's a celebration of Sony games. Having your character in the game is something everyone wanted right like the most respectful way to say that and then Sam Witwer the voice actor for Deke He's like fuck yeah Astropod I'm gonna buy that Gonna buy the game now hashtag Deke so

Yeah, no, so mean I that's it so this is let that's that solid and everyone is there turn that around and so hashtag deke push it everywhere deek freaks stay winning good stuff but this has now led to people going oh they put Joker and smash oh Oh mad. Oh, Yoshi sucks or some nonsense like what the fuck um But like so from from this from the from this Yeah, I'm going I'm going with deep freaks to ease on both sides uh You then have the like

You then have the digging into like, what the fuck is going on and why would this dude be so upset about this cool thing that a lot of other games are participating in. You know, that's like a fun little nod to parts of the Sony IP, you know, and such. And that has led to, yeah, like all these other peripheral stories, like Days Gone sold well enough and was on slated to get a sequel, but Studio Bend themselves said no because they did not think it sold well enough according to their own metrics, despite what Sony said. So I want to point out a detail or two about that. So it did. So Days gone sold over nine million copies Yes, which is very impressive

however, the game launched as a total disaster and Most of those sales were on deep discount Okay Okay Well in terms of like you know, oh maybe they only sold two or three million Which is obviously not enough in today's economy Clearly and I guess somewhere along those lines with that John blamed the game also not selling well

Not just on discounts, but woke reviewers was apparently another point of contention here Listen, the wokes are out here to tell you that day is gone Was too fucking based to be played These blue hairs got them they take it could have sold at least 25 million copies if not for the woke police that's what happens clearly also that game launched like a pile of shit it was falling apart and so somewhere in there the studio was being treated like such shit that Sony made

him take anger management classes Yeah, no cuz he was he was like it was like slowing down development But he still harasses them every now and then or something to that effect so they started distancing themselves from him God was forced to take anger management has totally public melt allegedly I nothing allegedly it seems. And now there's some something with NFTs involved. Oh man. So hey do you have any Peter Molyneux shit in the docket? Not really. Okay I have one thing to say. If you, hey crypto AI bros or whatever if you you I don't know if you saw but Peter Molyneux is out there saying That AI is so advanced that soon

You'll be able to make your own video games with just a single prompt and if that isn't your fucking cue to get the fuck Out then then I don't know what to tell you because every single thing out of that dude's mouth the opposite happens He is the biggest liar that's ever fucking been. Yeah, so... It's really easy to just look at this cute little game that's like, Hey, look, love for these other video games you guys like, and just watch one fucking salty ass go raging hard and go like well yeah of course if that upsets you then things that are actually

upsetting would lead to my anger management like classes being required like the scale we're talking about it like I'm like it doesn't it doesn't surprise me to see that one behooves the other so That's wild and Good stuff to that end. I guess I'm looking and going like yo, I didn't realize that like I'm seeing like The it's not just Sony like cameos. There's like fucking Ryu and Kazuya and and and oh no Smash Brothers rule of hey as this character graced a Sony platform everyone's in there yeah it's nuts yeah

like I've seen the persona ones you know all like all the Warriors it's crazy so my god the fuck is going on over here so bad guy as well. It's fucking weird that Sony released a gigantic like a smash hit instant classic like mascot platformer featuring everybody is here before Nintendo. That's fucking weird. Um, I would have felt this way years ago, maybe before Smash 4 era, but they don't- Nintendo doesn't want to spend money on anything, dude.

Oh no, I don't mean like that. I mean, it's really strange because Sony doesn't have any IPs. Ohhh! Oh yes, yes, yes, of course, right, right. According to the CTO, there are no, there's not enough original IPs as company leadership. I mean, so that's, yeah, that's the shot.

The shot is Days Gone, Salt over Astro Bot, and then Chaser. Sony's like, we just don't have enough IP, Nintendo has. I was looking at Phil Spencer, and I was jealous of all the people like we just don't have enough IP, Nintendo has- I was looking at Phil Spencer and I was jealous of all the people making fun of how fucking stupid he is so I was gonna go and say something stupid too. Just can we get like, it's just like Spongebob meme of like lifting up the plate, the covers and opening up the doors to point to Bloodborne, God of War, Killzone, Infamous Jack, Ape Escape, Gravity Rush, Motor Storm,

Dark Cloud, Twisted Metal, Patapon. Sony has so many original IPs that they own and they have like a whole second tier of games that were not technically Sony's, but you associate with Sony like Symphony of the Night is like a really good example. I mean, it's, yeah, yeah. So there's those associations are very strong, right? And I mean, and again, the way that like, Kratos is Sony mascot man.

Oh yeah. You know, like that is his role. I think there is a weird like secondary thing to this though where like, as we've said, like Capcom has the most, like Capcom and Nintendo are like the beloved IP collections of sorts With Nintendo having that many They kind of keep their IPs alive by you know actually

Remembering they exist every now and then what the fuck are you talking about? Right like what name one Nintendo game about an IP that hadn't been around in a while and don't say Punch Out or Metroid or Luigi or... You know? And like it's... The thing with that is a lot of the studio... Okay, people in the chat are saying F-Zero. Yes, okay, actually yeah, no, that one.

F-Zero does... You got me on that one. Captain Falcon has been missing for in-action, except for punching people. But all this to say that, like, yeah, the main thing with that is they have their franchises and then they'll go out and have different developers working on these different things according to

whatever the idea is, right? And yeah, I saw this kind of point was brought up and it's a pretty good one. Sony has a hard time doing that because if they want to get out an infamous, then they're not going to get out a Ghost of Tsushima, right? They can't do Killzone until the Horizon trilogy is finished. Yeah, and it's kind of this weird thing where usually you take the IP and be like, hey, new team that has nothing to do with the old team, you want to make a Killzone game?

And they don't do that. They very rarely do that. Yeah. Which is kind of nice. But each of the studios that makes the thing, they make that thing. And if they make a more popular thing after the first thing was popular, well, now both things are locked into that one place and that one timeline.

You know, so. Like listen, do you want Jack 4 or do you want another Last of Us remaster? Yeah, now I. Obviously you want Last of Us. Now I don't think that means that like Bloodborne should be in the hands of not FromSoft, you know. But it does mean that like Bloodborne should be in the hands of not FromSoft, you know? But it does mean that like there are a lot of IPs

and things from the PlayStation All-Stars lineup that stay with dust on them over long periods of time because the studio's making them get really locked into bigger future franchises. Bro, that game had no support. That game was so fucking depressing. That had no support. Like I remember looking at it and being like, this game is cooked the day they announced

the Big Daddy for that roster, which is like a character that everyone associated with the fucking Xbox 360 Yeah, you have literally a hundred fucking Sony characters you could fucking include in this game Yeah, well, that's the thing is like the the initial answer of like who do people care about Versus who do they have on their roster? They're like, okay. Well, let's go for the bigger names as opposed to necessarily Lesser names that might not elicit the same response. It still isn't a Smash roster regardless. Hit me with that fat princess. Fucking yeah, Revengeance and Dino made it in there, right?

Sure did. But anyway, yeah, so it is a wild thing to have Astrobot drop and immediately follow that with a C-suite executive at Sony going yeah, we just don't have enough IPs. We don't know what to do. We got to figure that out It's our biggest weakness right now like that's fucking crazy Yeah How's that how how is astrobot it's good from what I played of it. It's really good peak. Is it peak? So I only got to play like three levels

And it was excellent. I only had one complaint and I don't know if my complaint is stupid or not Because as I said, I only played three levels And it also might be for babies. I'm not sure so maybe I'm extra stupid, but it is like It's it is piss easy it is so easy sure Yeah, that's a bit I don't know that I'm expecting a Massive challenge it from might be made for babies And that's fine

Could always be the Kirby route of like your first run through is like just you know basically a breeze and then Immediately after that is the go fuck yourself mode if you're what I would like that you're that dude. I would like that Yeah, I'm curious to see. I'm not sure yet. I want to see if I can find a way to pop it in and take a look at it this week maybe if there's time on the schedule. But it looks like a lot of fun and just seeing like, oh shit, Bloodborne Hunter bot is parrying you, you know, is like fun. And then...

Yeah, it's cool. I guess is doing a it's flossing and Then just getting wild out there, so I want to know Anyway yeah that that made big thing aside I suppose Fucking wild to be like hey, do you want your studio to have a follow-up to the thing? Okay, I man, I would like a different like team lead on that fucking game to come out and be like If we did another day's gone, we'd have to work with that guy again. And we were

all like, no thanks. So killed the IP. Wait, but would they though? Probably not. But this is my this is what I want to happen. This is all I want. I want the blame to be laid entirely at this dipshit's feet. Because that would be super funny. I, the, for, because again I don't know the details but it sounds like if a entire studio is distancing them from a dude who fucking like, like, basically verbally abused them and went nuts to the point of needing to get help over it, like I can see that like, yeah, there's no reason they'd have to work together with you know what I fucking love about this story is that like Sony forced him to take anger management and it obviously didn't do

fucking anything like seeing little happy robots on Twitter going OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hahahaha I bet gay people worked on my game AAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWwWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Well anyways, um, yeah, so I don't know I guess for this week, uh, I did a couple things. Played a bit more of Deadlock, uh, I streamed it. Oh really? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I saw it, I saw it, it's fun, that was so great. Now, I'll just say this. I've never participated, I don't think, in a beta where at 3 p.m. the gates were closed. I've never played a game like that.

I've only played games where they're like, okay, from midnight to 3 a.m. we're gonna do a quick server test and then we'll be back up at four or something. That was wild. But yes. Yeah, no, it was like a genuine thrill on top, like similar to like Yakuza freezing or Shadow of the Hedgehog freezing or you know, you falling out of a world in an ass ass and screw you or some shit to see you load in and then I'm like looking at the fucking

screen and I'm like, is the fucking game closed? It's game closed. Go home. Are you sitting in your chair getting ready to go and the games like now we're closed shut up. That's crazy That's good. I've never I couldn't But yeah hit till day go into the into the you know The settings and change you reach into Europe, and then you can play so you know valve games are fucking nuts That you can just hit tilde And just like I want to fuck with this um

But that's a weird thing that's kind of weird and crazy right like why is the game down at 3 p.m.. I? Don't know that's a dumb bad weird thing um if I had that doesn't make sense So I have a guess but as somebody who is in dev would have a better guess than me, but here's my guess those times Have slowly been expanding At every point every big patch after they get a huge population increase So I believe it's they want a certain amount of people playing at a certain time so that they can examine what gets pushed and what breaks.

Yes. So, I've been part of- Like they want to concentrate the population. So, I've been part of and have organized network tests that have had to go through before end of day so that we'd have things happen on a certain schedule and then basically you know, basically yeah, like lunch or so would be the turnover point and things. Like we've had those kind of set up and organized. But yeah, I guess that's like,

that's like a playtest type thing. And I guess this is that, but I, Oh, I don't know. But playtesting versus open beta versus alpha, like there's all, there's different words used here But they there are ranges thing there are for different purposes And I was not under the impression that this was like I guess that kind of play test. I thought this was essentially exposed I

Know food analogies are poison But I believe I can think of one that actually works here Your usual beta is like the soft launch of a restaurant, right? It's not like it's not the full opening and maybe not all the menu items are there, but you can go down and sit and have a meal, right? A proper alpha test is like going to your friend's new restaurant and the chef being like, hey, you want to try play to this fucking thing? And you eat it in the alley in the back.

Deadlock feels like you are walking into your friend's kitchen and they let you taste the spoon. Yeah, sure. Sure. And then they go back to cooking it. And, and again, I've had to organize these types of tests. So I do know that like there's a, there's a way that they're, they're, to organize these types of tests, so I do know that there's a way that they're taking care of. But the fact that this game has been openly in this playtest state, I guess for months? Months.

So that's the guess. And it's going to be in this state for like at least a year. Yeah. And usually what I would expect of something where you'd be like, okay, shut it down halfway through we're going to push them some new build out or something would be when it would be like, hey, we're doing this for a week or and then we're going to go away and then come back to you. Yeah, it's strange.

But also- Do you know what it was apparently like this? Every time I've booted it up, I've started playing and I've gotten a message up top saying, hey, new build is out. Oh, this thing updates every like 10 hours. Yeah, so their dev process is just like a bit unusual in how fucking live it is. It's this, yeah, so people in the chat are confirming that Dota 2 also did this. And it's just like, there's a very rare combination

of we're not worried about time, we're not worried about release, there is no rush, and you can also look at it. Like usually teams that are like, ah, whatever, it'll take however long it takes, are like big secrets until a certain arbitrary point. No, you can see the open kitchen. You can look right through and see what's going on.

Well, to that end, yeah, I mean, not much else to add on, but in playing that extra bit I was able to like try out haze and with with chat active, you know, got some some some nice backseat tips on a couple things and there. So I'll tell you for mobas chats like actually like pretty helpful. Oh yeah. So what complicated as fuck. So when I was when I was like going about the whole builds thing like updated like like, you know shopping and stuff It was like, oh, yeah, like folks were folks reporting out there like oh, yeah The defaults are super outdated like the recommended tab for what you see. Oh, yeah

You can't use that. You can't use those you got to go to the the on I got to go to the search and browse for the most popular one and then you know Favorite that and then choose the most popular one as the place to go and those are the recommended ones with comments from the people who make these playlists of are not playlists but yeah these skill like you know tabs and stuff and I was like oh wow okay that's a that's a whole thing to it and then that stays updated and like when the game updates as well new versions push so like in one case like The most popular version was not the one to go with but it was the one that was marked updated for yeah

You know September 1st or whatever and presets. Yeah, it was like okay. That's a part of this Do and I'm like do other is this unique to deadlock or do other guys no no dota is the same way you got there's a life preset browsing Though for dota there are so many goddamn people playing it so Regularly that I imagine that that playlist shit or the build list stuff is updated within like minutes of a patch going up. I mean it does certainly feel like, yeah, the diversity of everything involved is like, it is pretty drastic looking at it to go like, oh, a big passive healing of some kind or

a super jump that you can then combine with your character to use seven to jump over the group and then fry them with your altar or whatever. Hey, I'd like to respond to somebody in the chat who asks a really good question, which is I still don't understand how MOBAs are so popular. It's because they're fucking free. They're all free! It's an entire genre of free games that kids learned how to play when they were six years old for free! I think that's part of it. I think that's a big part of it. And I'm coming to a couple other conclusions which may or may not be correct

but I suspect as well that Also because of the RTS bones You know and like sort of the the the comfort of coming from if you were into RTS in particular and seeing all that gets streamlined in this way. Oh, yeah, cuz Go ahead. Sorry, I'm being quiet. I'm putting my hand in front of my mouth. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, no. That's okay. Yeah, so I think because it's and so because the the RTS bones kind of evolved in such a way where like if you had any comfort or familiarity with that, like this kind of feels like something you

can latch onto. You already have someestablished experience of this type of game as well. And because this replaces the RTS in many cases, there's an element to it which, this is where, I might be off on this one, but let me know what you think. I think that even though it's free and even though it can get like super Insanely difficult and thus toxic at the highest competitive levels and such No, you can get super toxic right at the bottom true true. I Think though that because

There's a main element of the game that involves PVEing. Oh absolutely, that's 100%. That's a huge proportion of it. You get ushered in gently. Oh absolutely. As opposed to getting your shit rocked and there's no other interaction

except for getting rocked. Let's take me playing Top in League, right? So Top in League has a lot of laning. Like you're laning for a little longer than everybody else and you're not so much fighting the other guy, you just wanna build up to like a steamrolling beast, right? I am not super good at like RTS MOBA combat, right? But I can lane okay.

Which means I could lane to the point where I am so much stronger than the other guy my lane It doesn't matter how bad I am at RTS games. I'm three levels higher. I'm gonna stop him into the fucking dirt I felt that thing inside that was like oh if I'm kind of nervous about challenging another player, I can still just fight the comp- I can be safe here a little bit. And it's- you still gotta get better at it. You still gotta learn to do the other things. But there's a thing to the game where you can lane, and that avoids the hardest part,

which is the conflict with other players that can beast on you. You know? So like, good, like, excellent players, right? They have- they're not using pre-made builds, they're alternating what they need based off of the impetus of the game, right? They don't need the build guide to be like, listen, if you got Hayes in your lane,

use this to counter pick them, or what active item you should use, right? They're just naturally going for a certain thing and they're reacting on the fly. They're also doing all the last hitting, They're also doing all the internal combat. But there are like four pieces that form the game's core gameplay. And like an average player can be good at like one or two of those things and bad at the rest of it. And if they're good enough at the one or two things, they can make up their shortcomings in the other ones. So you don't people that their brain fucking melts when they see that shop.

So they just use the pre-made build. But maybe they're really good at third or first person shooters. And so they don't feel like they're missing out or like having they're like they feel like they're doing something right away. You get that good feeling right away of like I'm participating and if I can't win this fight that's okay. The second person on my lane can jump in and fucking do that work and is good at you know getting the pick or whatever the case they can fight but I'm gonna do

this and this is a bit easier you know you are describing my experience because I play I want to push my lane yeah I want to live in that thing I felt it 25 minutes and I and to that end I would say I'm like, any genre that gave you some bots to beat up on as part of the main thing would feel better to get used to using your character and doing things because there's nothing hard immediately. There is a game that you and I have played that we both love that has implemented this exact difficulty slider for multiplayer. Prepare for Titanfall.

That's right. It's the same fucking thing. It's like, listen, are you getting blown up by Call of Duty Freak-o-soids? How about you just push the objective, kill every NPC on the map you can find, and build up the momentum that way? Now you can use the NPCs to build up your special abilities and use your kit to do stuff, you know, and even help your team blocking, you know, radar or whatever the case might be, you know, wall hacking, et cetera.

But, like, you can't win by just fighting the grunts. No, but I think it was Zempela in an interview for Titanfall when he was, like, at the very beginning when Titanfall 1 got announced, somebody asked him, hey, so what's up with the bots? Like why, why is the, why is the thing flooded with bots? And the answer was really simple. We want brand new players who are at a low skill level to never finish one of their lives without shooting one

enemy. One enemy. Right. Because that is really, that sucks. You feel something. that sucks you feel something yeah you feel something and so that that was a bit of a realization i had about the genre right and i'm like oh yes this makes something more inviting if you do feel like you've contributed in some way to the overall game which thus in turn means that the overall game is less about the fight and more about the overall map push. You know? Dude, you can help out so much in Deadlock or League or Dota and like not necessarily

like even fight the person that you're intended to fight. As long as every single time you realize you're about to lose Just go do something else that has a better return and so just like with Titanfall. I'm like I see that I'm like oh, that's cool. I see why that exists that makes sense It's not what I want. It's not what I want I'm in midair fucking running off the wall You know yeah like grappling up to you and shit. When do I get to the fireworks factory? You know, but I see why that's there and it makes sense. And so a lot of this has been, you know,

kind of seeing why, where that works and how that appeals to people. And then the other bit too was like, okay, and if you are gonna lane push, how do you make that, how do you do that efficiently, right? How do you get good at that? And learning about like, okay, so last hitting, we kind of talked about it a bit before,

like it's the mechanic where you get the last hit on one of the grunts and then you get the XP for it. But like what it means to do it like kind of efficiently is to ignore the fight that the grunts are having with each other or the creep, right, is having with each other and just pick potshots at. Yeah, just like literally leave them alone. Like, oh, that one's going to go right. That one's going to go pick potshots at the ones that are about to die while focusing on the main opponent on the other side.

So now now I get to bring up a term I never thought I would ever say to you on this podcast. Now you can move on to split pushing. Okay. All right, you wanna know about fucking split pushing? So that sounds like pushing a lane, but doing so with another person and. It's the opposite. But doing so with another person and...

It's the opposite. Split pushing is I'm gonna push this lane, I'm encountering any resistance at all, one lane over. Switch, okay. I'm gonna push both lanes at the same time. Right, right, right, yeah. And just every time I run into a problem, moving back over to the other one. I get it, I get it.

If you're not good enough to win the fight against oh, no, that's that's the dumbest part That's the hardest one because you have to be good enough to not die in both fights Okay, okay, because the idea is that you can you can suck up two lanes yes by doing that and And you know interestingly, because both people, especially at the beginning of the match, are kind of afraid, you don't wanna die early and fuck the whole thing up and such,

you're like, again, you're chilling back? And the whole game there is to now play some footsies and bring them up to your laser. And if you can fight with your laser at your back, then like, ah, I can get more damage up. But if I can pull you back to me and mine, then my boss can hurt you. It's a really strange genre, because killing the enemy is so much less important than not dying.

Yeah! Not dying is twice as important as killing the other guy. And that exists in the team, in team shooters as well admittedly I remember that was in competitive overwatch like with the team that was the key factor was like okay No matter what's happening. Just don't die right even if you think you're doing terribly on a given push. That's okay Just what just do anything you can to not be dead You know and like that because the And that becoming the priority was a mentality shift. Including just leave.

Yeah. Get the fuck out of there. Leave the team behind, but don't be dead. Exactly. It is kind of interesting because, well, okay, I was going to go as far into this as I could without, I guess, falling to. You got pretty good. You got pretty far in. Thank you, I could without I guess falling to you got pretty good

You got pretty far in thank you. I tried I tried but I'm out of language now, so I have I have to go to it there's the The way that Justin Wong talked about like playing In a certain cases where you play as if it's you're always one hit away from death Yeah, and so like that's a way of playing in anything competitively where you're like, oh, it's not just about me going in and stomping you and going ham, rushing that shit down, but you're afraid of getting touched. And you're just-

I must mitigate every potential loss as strongly as I can. Yeah. And I mean, that's my analogy. I think it works. It applies here. It works very well. And so anyway, I think the other bit too is like when your shop is up next to your guardian, then you can also get, you have to get good at shopping quickly in the middle of the firefight and then unlocking abilities in the middle of the firefight. And that's just stress. Unlocking abilities in the middle of the firefight and that's just stress. Oh, dude. It's like like

You're doing your footsies and you're his is he leaving to go to his shop? That means I can go to my shop Right sure paying it's like killing the enemy like fuck the lane. I'm gonna go shopping Yeah, I have ten seconds like deep down in my core I do hate the fact that you have to buy your ability to begin with at all Like I do that does bother me because you have to stop and shop on yourself and then in the shop But that is where the core of the build variety comes in Because for that first little while it's like I get to have one of the things I can do. Which one is it going to be? Yeah. I actually you would pick the one that is good against the person that you're dealing with. Yes. And it makes sense to that like

yeah that can be matchup dependent and or if you're doing a particular type of build and all this stuff, which now again though like just in the same way that having an enemy to shoot at that is not another player means that if I'm not that good I can still feel like I'm doing something. There's also the part of this where, and experience and leveling up exists, it's not just the raw decision making. Right?

Like my rook and my pawn can get stronger over time as the man as long as you are not just Throwing it away and so will increase in strength And so like in this so skill challenge can be mitigated with bots and skill challenge can also be mitigated with strength increase over time You know where you and ideally the matchmaking will help. Ideally, ideally, yes. But you as a player don't need to change your behavior that much to, you just need to unlock the stronger things.

And then the steamroll will come from having more stuff than your opponent does. So I'm not. It's not a knock, But it is like more friendly to a larger group of people. Yeah, because it does ask less of you initially So I cannot possibly get across Just how much so I'm not super familiar with dota 2. I played mostly league how much More fun it is to play deadlock

purely based on the priority character select Hmm. It is night and day How much more enjoyment there is between like I would like you to continue matchmaking until I can play as one of the three characters I actually want to play. Okay, see, I currently am looking at the thing where the entire game shares one character's select screen as a major blow to my fun. But I know that this is a part of the genre as is blocking and denying other people their ability to get their characters as well.

Yeah. Excuse me. Excuse me. And that's sort of shit. Are you OK? I usually just mute it. It was just like early for a second. But that serves to remind me as well that it's a little bit of that like,

yeah, don't get too attached to the character. It's the board and the strategy that matter the most and you are people on a team. But my whole thing of like, but I like a character and I like a character and a character makes me wanna play a game. It's like, yeah, and here that matters less, you know? But here's where I'm going with this, because I don't think you'll ever be able to understand just how miserable the league system is without personally encountering it. Hey, I would like to,

I have to go to fighting games as well. It's the best way. Tops are big bodies and grapplers. Like even 2XKO says the top is big body and grappler. Right? It's like, hey, I wanna play a big body and grappler. And it goes, well, in order to queue, you must also pick small, tiny, fast combo character as an option. And I go, I really don't want to do that. And they go, guess what?

That's the character you're playing. And I'm like, I don't want to even play this match anymore. Yeah, well, if you leave in the next 40 minutes, your matchmaking will be fucked, so enjoy playing mid. I mean, it doesn't matter what genre it is. To me, I'm such a character-driven person that it just seems crazy to me that you could be like no you cannot play your character That seems like such an insane thing. Yeah

Like why am I sitting down to boot this game? Yeah, you know so for for deadlock going listen We've got like 25 here are there three you would like to play And you go yeah, and then they go would you like to play one way more than the other two? Yeah, and you go yes, and they go we'll do our best and so far. It's actually worked out really well, so I'm I'm I'm hit or missing on some of these characters as I've jumped around them But what I will say is this worked for me in Rivals because when I was like, OK, someone jumped on Iron Man, someone jumped on Magic or whatever, who else is there?

And I was like, well, let me just mess around with a bit more of the cast and let me see. And everyone in that, I felt I was enjoying enough that I was like, yeah, let me learn Rocket Raccoon if we have no healers. Let me learn I'll pick up we have no healers, right? Let me learn You know, I'll pick up Thor or I'll pick up venom if we have no tanks or whatever and

That was just a case where like everything and everyone in that game just felt fun enough that jumping around Was not at all an issue, but it only works if you enjoy What the rest of the cast is doing. Yeah, you know In deadlock. I did hit some characters where I was like, I just don't feel this at all And those are never gonna go into your priority list. Yeah. Yeah It's interesting cuz like there's one case so like Hayes for example Who I used is like clearly one of the better picks that like people are using a lot because she she's the one that can Put you to sleep. Does she go invisible?

She goes invisible, yes. And she does Reaper's die die die. Now there's a jungler for you. But the interesting part to me is that with my perhaps misunderstanding of her kit, she seems to be an inferior version of Seven, the electric robot that I usually use. Oh, I believe that's because every single character in the game is an inferior version of Seven, the electric robot that I usually use. Oh, I believe that's because every single character in the game is an inferior version of Seven. Okay.

I think that is what you're encountering. Because, but like their kits are so similar to each other, but it's like, okay, she has a sleep that when you shoot the person, they wake up and start moving again, whereas he just stuns you, and you take all that damage while you're stunned. So more damage from the same disability, right?

Yeah, seven they both have the type of archetype that gets made and you're like the kit is too complete I guess cuz like her alt is she goes die die. It's the die die die Yeah, but sevens alt is die die die die die die die die die die die for like 20 seconds For twice the distance, and twice the time for twice the damage is die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die die When I did go to him, I was like, ah, the slowness and the gun kind of, I wasn't feeling it. The mobility was bothering me a bit too much for that. But obviously the sustain was pretty high. Yeah, so I played a bunch of matches with Abrams and the Abrams feel good moment is

he is the only character I played that could dive into a full pack of the enemy team with his rush and not just instantaneously die. Yeah. Yeah. Like I could actually dive into the whole pack and knock them all into the walls and get one and that is a win. If I can disrupt the the death ball and kill one guy, I have done more than they can do to me. That's a win. I won that encounter. Yeah, it is, like yeah, but so that is a pretty good reason

if again, if you can fuck that up. I kinda, I think as well just the other factor was I learning about sliding, right? Where you do crouching while rolling and then you slide on your knees and while you're sliding you have infinite ammo. So it's like, oh, who can capitalize on that? And it's like a character with a good gun that fires fast rate of fire that doesn't have a super long reload.

So yeah, and that too adds a nice little layer of combat complexity to the situation where you're like, oh, okay, even if you're good at shooting, you can always get better by, well, I mean, one, there's the melee parry game to it and such, which doesn't come up as often, but if you can slide and do something

tight and fallish for a bit, you can just lay in and not worry about ammo at all you know so there's there's there's definitely those those skill moments that feel pretty good but yeah and then of course so yeah we talked last time about like denial of XP and all that shit but I think that's that's overall just this is what I'm getting this impression of that it's like you get something that anyone can feel like they're getting, they're helping right away on.

Also I feel like I said it last time but like I think Deadlock being a shooter just immediately makes it a million times more approachable to almost everyone. And familiarity. Like it's so much easier to understand shoot the little dudes and there's a guy over there immediately makes it a million times more approachable to almost everyone. And familiarity. Mm-hmm. The familiarity is there. Like, it's so much easier to understand, shoot the little dudes and there's a guy over there, shoot him too, than all the RTS buttonography. Yeah.

So anyway, that's coming out this week on Woly versus and I might, you know, I might pop my head in every now and then. Have you gotten toxic? I have not gotten toxic. I have not. Then you're not playing it hard enough. I do feel though, like if I pop in for one game once and I don't get to play as the character I want, then I want to quit playing.

I do very much feel that because I'm not getting that same like, oh, I'll just go play Rocket feeling from this. So Chris Wolfhard tweeted this a little bit ago that was like his criteria for goodness on MOBA and it was like can you imagine a teenage boy sending his friend death threats over this game if not you need to keep working on it like that that's the bar that is the bar. That is the bar. Got it. Understood. Um...

Yeah. Uh... So that was Deadlock. Beyond that... You looking at a list? Cause I look at a list every week too. Yeah, yeah, I read a little bit. I can't remember what the fuck I'm doing. No, I need to make mental notes of things.

Dino Crisis. Still weird, huh? Still weird. Still old. Still fun. Dude, it's so weird. Seeing the way things are set up now, though it is clear that it's like, okay, the reasons why the dinosaurs are such assholes is because there's so much fewer of them

compared to zombies. Oh yeah, no, there's like fucking 25 of them in the whole game or some nonsense. There's way, way less, and as a result, they're just that much more of a fucking pain. It's a whole game of like mini nemeses. That can follow you into the rooms and all that shit. Overall, yeah, just still pretty old and fun and you know resource managing is all fine

and dandy but there is one abundant large issue that keeps happening and what's that it's just a matter of the aid the time and the age of the design of the game but this was a time when they were like, all panic is good panic that we can induce on the player. And if that panic comes at cost of clarity of what the game is asking you to do, then it doesn't matter. It's still good, right? If the rules- You have to flip the switch or you'll die where is it I can't I can't fucking find it I'm dead hey what a good moment we made

and and there and this is the first time a switch is in the game at all for example right and it's why I go back to it I said again I go back to that mass effect fucking window that you got to shoot but it's just the the thing that makes me like I get irrationally upset at this but like if it's just the thing that makes me, I get irrationally upset at this. But if it's an old game, I laugh at it. But the newer the game, the more mad I get. I'll never let it down.

Where they're just like, yeah, the rules just don't apply. They just change here. And also, we're going for a feeling that is you being confused. But if you're not panicking, then you still lose because you're supposed to be planning as a gamer. I I've brought up, of course, the The Walking Dead season two as the pinnacle example of high by loathing.

I hate I hate that. That game made me fucking despise the rest of that franchise. I didn't go back to it, I don't think. Like, it just really turned me off of the franchise because there's a moment in the middle of, I forget which act it is, in Walking Dead Season Two, where you get a bunch of zombies attacking you at the farm

and there's a moment where you at the farm and they there's a moment where you pull the gun out and you have like two bullets or so and You shoot those bullets and then you have none left and the zombies keep coming at you And so when I had no bullets left the zombies then rushed and killed me and I was like but I have no bullets left And then I did it again and I was like did I miss miss something? Am I supposed to shoot a gas canister? Is there a red barrel? No, you're supposed to fucking click on empty so that the cutscene goes. And you click empty and you do it even once and then it's like, no, you still just die. And it turns out the game wants you to dry fire multiple times to go, I don't know. Oh God, oh God, I'm panicking, and then someone comes in and saves you.

It's the most batshit insane stupid decision because I'm like, oh, I'm out of bullets, now what do I do? And I kept thinking that way. That should have been on an auto timer for the cut scene. It's crazy, it's crazy that they would actually let you die if you did not fire the empty gun and go, ah! You know, and like that just upset me so hard, if you did not fire the empty gun and go, ah, you know?

And like that just upset me so hard, like to my core, because it's just like, oh, you don't understand what panic is and how to make someone feel that in a moment. Like you completely don't get it, you know? And so what's happening with Dino Crisis in these moments is the T-Rex will show up. And every time the T-Rex shows up the rules change, right? The T-Rex is like should you shoot it? Can I shoot it? Is there anything to? And the answer is no

Well, maybe but it depends. Maybe there's a chandelier you could drop on the T-Rex Yeah, you know I say it's so like the T-Rex. Yeah, you know, so like the T-Rex, like the first time it shows up, it's like, are you going to waste all your ammo shooting at it? Yes, unless the mouth is open, then you kind of knock it back and then there's that moment of vulnerability, but otherwise it's just involved, does nothing, waste your bullets, which are precious, you know. And it's also- It's so wild that we went to dino crisis to with like

Hey ammo is functionally infinite and the only question about shooting a dinosaur is how many points it will give you man Yeah, that you said that last I'm like that is that is still just wild and nuts And yeah That's your ex with the instant kills and stuff because it just can gobble you up. And then the second time or so, no third rather, is you're on the ground and I'm like, oh shit, it's going down, right? And you're fighting the T-Rex in this burning like helipad and you just got handed a grenade launcher.

The game literally in the room prior to the walking out to the helipad gives you a grenade launcher. The game literally in the room prior to the walking out to the helipad gives you a grenade launcher and six grenades. And you walk and you're fighting this T-Rex and there is no point because there's nothing you can do. You cannot actually fight it. The goal is to run in circles for like two, three minutes. That's right. And wait for your friend to do a repair. But it doesn't quite indicate that immediately. You've got to try

to run to the door and he says, and he says, Oh, wait, hold on. I'm still, you know, and you've got to not fight. Then the moment. And it's just like, so do you want a little ticket of information? You made this moment where you just gave me the weapon and it's not, it's not actually a fight? This just a run and survive moment? Do you want a tiny little tidbit of information from this era? These games were balanced around wasting ammunition. Yeah, right, right, right.

That encounter is designed for you to get to use the weapon and see how it functions and waste all of it. All of it. All of it. Yep. Right? Because I'm like, oh, maybe I have to wait for the mouth to be open again, since that was what the rule possibly was established as last time.

Since it was like, oh, the rules go out for the T-Rex. Okay. What is there? The mouth is open. Maybe that's what we got. Nope. That's not it. It's just literally don't even shoot it at all. And so you're like, right, okay, it's just not really an encounter at all. It's a prolonged... It's a chase sequence. But it's happening in one room that seems like it is what it is. And so with that, I'm like, immediately I was like, how do you

what it is. And so with that, I'm like, you know, like immediately I was like, how do you get what you're trying to get across while preserving the danger of, Oh, running from this thing can be hard and like, it can kill you if you're getting fucked over in a corner or whatever. Oh, I tell you how there's a really easy way. You have a character, shoot it with a weapon inside a cut scene and go, he didn't even do anything. It's like, it didn't hurt it at all. So, so what so what is okay so that so what I did right after that moment I was like you know you have Rick who's there and it's just like it's like wow this thing's so tough like um okay there's no point we're gonna need to just get out of here but I just it's like stall for time I'm gonna do my best to fix this and then like while you're

fighting it it's like come on come on almost there damn it. It's not working hold on I gotta try something else, and it's like no wait hurry up And just little background dialogue you know and then wait almost got it all right Regina get over here. You know and just just that just that Contextualizer 1999 shut the fuck up. You know just that little moment. I was like oh That would be turned it into a oh fuck. Oh fuck. Oh was like oh that would be turning into a oh fuck Oh fuck oh fuck and it would be high tension and you would accomplish the same panic But you wouldn't be just lying to the player now by the strategy good

Yeah, yeah, so it's like it's like you could it's not even like you don't have to make that kind of moment You just need to not lie not lie to the play So a little bit for fun. But it is, that's it. So those moments I'm just like, ooh, ooh, the design is fucking hitting a wall here. And again, and again, right after the reward that is your big grenade launcher, mind you. But yeah, everything else, that's all fun and fine. I feel like Dino Crisis has like one really, really weird knock against it, which is like, so they wanted to do like the thrill 3D backgrounds, right?

So like that game is in 3D. And as a result, like it does control a little better than like Resident Evil 1, 2, 3, but it like visually looks way worse. Oh really? It looks way worse. Weird. Oh that's why the environment is like a whole lab, like the whole island is like a gray lab.

Yeah, I guess, again it was surprising for me to go back and kind of find out the timeline of this was simultaneous development because I thought it was like, oh, we learned all of our Resident Evil lessons and now we're doing this second franchise, you know? It's kind of like a test for Code Veronica kind of thing. But yeah, so I think I imagine there should be about one more session of that to get through almost done So that's gonna be this week as well Dino Crisis classic rebirth fucking panic panic game design dude is just

Lie to the player throw the rules out and introduce new systems for the first time and player throw the rules out and introduce new systems for the first time and if you die you also lose your consumable resource, you know? And yes, we need you as a player to run in circles and freak out and we have a microphone and if the microphone doesn't hear you panicking then you lose, you die automatically. It needs to hear your fear. And yeah, so beyond that as well. So hey, just a second, I'm sending you two screenshots of like what RE3 and Dino Crisis looked like next to each other from the same year.

Wow, it looks so much worse. Yeah. But you can move the camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it is full 3D. And that's also why you only fight like one dinosaur at a time almost ever. But it's not just moving the camera. It's like everything's pre-rendered in the background,

therefore you have much more model fidelity to display on camera. Oh yeah, no, RE3, RE1, RE2 have crazy model fidelity. Yeah, so it's just a knock-on effect. Camera rotation is a knock-on effect that degrades everything else there. There's also one bridge you run across where suddenly the camera becomes an action cam that's tracking. And they're like, whoa, this is so cool, dude.

And this is where the T-Rex is going to attack. And sure enough, yes, the one super dynamic moment, you know, as opposed to like the one awesome overhead camera from Silent Hill where it's just like, oh, it's just a random alleyway, but holy fuck, that was a really cool shot. Where you're like- The camera in Silent Hill 1 is so impressive for 99

that like they stole that shot for the movie because it's dynamic in a goddamn film. Great. So yeah, Dino Crisis continues. The other thing that happened this week, which is fucking just... Dragon Ball Fighters unhinged the Kusouge patch. I think, I can't give credit to where it's due because I don't remember who said this, but I saw it summed up perfectly as congratulations to Dragon Ball FighterZ for being the only game to ever escape being an esport. It was like, yeah, okay. It violently, violently resisted.

Yes. No, that is, so when we popped this game in, I said, do not go gentle into that good night. Rage and sparking burst against the dying of the light. It looks like fucking Eugen. It of the light. It looks like fucking you can it's the best crazy Okay, so For those who don't know Dragon Ball fighters the arcsis Dragon Ball fighting game is really fucking good And it has enjoyed You know some attention for a decent amount of time the main problem with it

for a decent amount of time. The main problem with it was that the rollback was not present, so net code was bad for a long time. They eventually fixed it. It was a rough process, but they got there. The other thing is too many gokus, and they added some more non-gokus, but at the same time. And then they added more gokus. Yes, but at the same time, that's one where I'm like,

yeah, but you know what? There's more people that want more gokus, so whatever. whatever people want the Goku. Yeah, I realize in that I'm like, I can't really I'm not gonna I'm not gonna set my expectations up For failure because a lot of people do want more Goku's and in fact see less Goku's as a problem so All this to say with the character variety really like the game was a blast It was a really fun, hyper-ass kind of Marvel-style fighter, but it was more or less getting to that point where there

was nothing wrong with it. It was still very fun. It was updated and being supported way later than anyone expected to, but there's just so many other really good games out that a lot of people that play fighting games moved on to Tekken 8, Street Fighter 6, and Guilty Gears Drive. It kind of is just a matter of like, yeah fighting games moved on to Tech N8, Street Fighter 6, and Guilty Gear Strive. It kind of is just a matter of like, yeah, the attention economy is only going to be split so far. There were people that were consistently participating and competing in it, and there were still events.

But it was just an awesome game that kind of was like, yeah, other things were coming out afterwards. So with that fading over time and no real outright like problem, what ends up happening with games like this is they probably just kind of hit that like sort of discord online status of like you can jump online and get games at any given point but you know it is what it is and it gets and it gets locked in at a version that is kind of like the final version and then you're gonna see that for years and in like, you know

And then you get into the weird postgame era in which it becomes declared as solved Sure And then we fast forward a couple years and then we go hey this year at Evo The throwback legacy tournament is gonna be Dragon Ball fighters and a couple of the people in the discord go. Oh shit Yo, let's go. Yeah, that game was great I remember that game. It was fun, right? So bad Babco says fuck all that We are not going gentle into the little fucking light in the in a quiet little boat The final patch as this game is going out just unleashes all limiters

Busts the shit open gives everyone the ability to do completely deranged cuz okay shit People can do touch of deaths for nothing you can pop sparking and just do special move into special move Everything that was a ranged of like button or attack is now just a full screen Instantaneous thing the game is crazy, and it's never been more Dragon Ball. It's cracked it open, and it's the fucking best I Will say one thing? never been more Dragon Ball, it's cracked it open, and it's the fucking best. I will say one thing. I'm gonna be a naysayer for one second, because I don't even believe what I'm about to say,

but I understand how people might feel. They looked at Dragon Ball Fighters, and they said, what if we turn this into a completely different fighting game that was way crazier and way more hyper. And they were right to do that. That was the right decision. But this is so dramatic that I can imagine a lot of people are like, I kind of don't feel it anymore. It's too far. And so here, so here like Street Fighter 4 on the way out had Omega mode, which was a weird experimental, wacky versions of every character that you could go pick.

And a lot of those moves ended up being shit that was a preview for what would come in five and six. It was an interesting mode, actually. People could still go to it and find out about what Capcom's thinking for future iterations of characters. But with Dragon Ball FighterZ, in this case, yeah, there were definitely tweets of folks

that were like, this is so disheartening, what the fuck have I been labbing all this time for? What have I been practicing for? A bunch of bullshit, dumbass. And it's like, yeah, that sucks, I hear you, but fuck that shit too. Hold this combo to Android 16 suicide bomb. You know?

Like, it's just... How is that allowed? So it's allowed because when he does it in a combo, it doesn't do full damage. It scales to like 50% of its usual damage. Still fucking ridiculous. It is. It is, right? And so the actual like, if everyone is broken, no one is kind of philosophy.

All right, Syndrome syndrome calm down in actual Application in this game is like the funniest thing because here's what's up, man. This game went from silence and Not being talked about to everyone's like yo You see this fucking crazy shit and like they're sharing wild combos all over again And it's alive again and everyone's like you gotta go fucking see this shit It's crazy and every character has tons of nonsense You know and this was without an announcement without any hint that this was gonna happen

They just one person inside just was like I almost imagined it was one person on the on the team Just going nah, fuck it and hit the button and just went like, we're not going out quietly, you know? Slash that shit open and make it more Dragon Ball than it's ever been at the last second, you know? There's also some like, stuff in there that is like, oh, well that's a practical cool thing to do regardless. Like, you know, giving, so Android 21 has a super

where she can eat you and then get like a bunch of abilities And like now she can pick exactly which one she gets as opposed to the random factor, you know But like things where you're like, oh Krillin can throw a Senzu bean out and it just gives him a free meter of super like You are your partner, you like shit it's just like yeah so like fuck it there's a lot that was anyone there that is just totally ridiculous I think the one that I saw that I'm like at a base level that I'm sitting here going what are you guys even doing is ultra instinct Goku's hard punch is the whole screen full Full screen. Full screen.

He just dashes up to you instantly from literally corner to corner. The command grabs that you can do as a couple of characters, including Android 16, just full screen trunks does a slide full screen. That slide is unreactable. That thing is like fucking six frames. It's crazy. Something that would happen often in Dragon Ball would be there'd be moves that go out one way

and then kinda come back the other way, like a boomerang effect, but they wouldn't actually combo you for two hits. It would be like you get hit once and then you could block the other way. A lot of that stuff, they made it like, no, it just hits you both ways now like Captain Ginyu can call out Raccoon I think who's like our birder who's like flying by and like now you just get juggled

You know in each direction like all of that you can take Yamcha and do his fucking spinning Wolfang fist right you know let's go like spin, into the spin, into the fucking Beyblade your way through. Like it's so fun and stupid and great. You know, it's the hype, again, the Kusouge patch. You turn this game into, and a lot of that stuff. You turn it into Sailor Moon.

But, and the thing is too, like a lot of that crazy shit is locked behind using your sparking mode, right? So the game has your kind of burst that lets you activate and get your heal, your life starts to heal and you can do a bunch of crazy shit and do way more damage. While in addition to all that now, you get access to doing like any move into any move as much as you want for the most part. I'm going to hit this button and I would like to turn my character into the Latin American Mugen version of this character for the next 20 seconds. Thank you. Yeah now

There's still some crazy shit you can do without sparking like you can do they made the game still crazy without it But with it everyone can do anything people have new moves that like Vegeta could just go Like for like 20 seconds, you know? It's wild. I saw somebody ask on like, the patch, and I was like, did they add Gohan Blanco yet, like as a joke? And like, fucking yeah, kind of. Basically, you know? I mean, the old, the first version of Dragon Ball FighterZ when it came out, like, Gohan adult could like, like put you in like almost like 40 seconds of blocking kicks You know and then they get they got rid of that and this is almost like well

We're not putting you back in that situation, but we're not not far from it Like you can just eat the same shit like a bunch of times that are row and the answer is yeah We'll do it first to them You know so God bless man What an awesome move on the way out to just leave on a high note and be like yeah It's a good move right like it for everybody that liked this game We're just gonna give you one last surprise over here And I just I know that like if you have been practicing and competing in your one of that small group of people that was

Keeping this game alive. God bless. I respect and understand that struggle, but fuck that shit, this is hype as fuck. This is the greatest. And this is how you keep something exciting, you keep it alive, man. I can only, so I have a single popcorn kernel of empathy for those people. Because I remember you and me talking, and you were like, hey Pat, add something cool to Virtua Fighter, and I was like, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

I just like put my foot in the fucking dirt and said no, I don't want to. Create a system for the new era. New colors, shut up. Two new characters that represent obscure martial arts. It's great. It's great. What I would even say is, in the future, I hope that people are taking notes and that we see other games go out like this and have their wild omega

mode you can even put if you would like a like a little version select if you want people to be like I want to throw back and have a nostalgic memory of what I used to play or so because the game was this for a Long time, you know But it's just such a great way to come back in the news with the game where you're like, yeah No new characters are usually you'd need a new character, some new stages, some new music, something tangible for people. Something dramatic.

Yeah, for people who are not really paying attention to the game that don't kind of, to latch onto in a way. But in this case, it's just like, nah, a balance change can get everybody talking because what the fuck? Why is Android 16 or Android 17 Able to fuck or a Jesus Christ third time's a charm Why is 18 allowed to do a fucking like kick to the disk kick to disk kick to disk? Combo and then get wilder follow-ups that she ever could before you know

It's it's a fantastic move to go out this way on a fighting game like it's this I'm interested to see people talk about the balancing on this because like, Okay, well every single character in the game has touches of death now. How are we gonna decide who's better? Hey, hey, how about we look and we go, hey, you know Broly? You know Super Broly's pretty strong. Hey, how about we look and we go hey, you know Broly you know super Broly's pretty strong So how about so how about when his shirt comes off when he does his level three? Yeah, just now he just gains meter for free because that's oh, yeah, you know what yeah that reminds me of Broly actually that seems fair

Should Broly keep getting meter yes? Yeah, no that's perfect Broly should always be gaining meter. Yeah, he needs it It's great it's great Like it like the ones we've talked about are actually like it feels like they're like well What should what should go hon be able to do? He should be able to do this. Okay, put it in Put it put it in. Yeah. Yeah ultra instinct Goku should be able to do this. Okay, put it in. Put it in. Yeah. Ultra Instinct Goku should be able to close the distance instantaneously. Goku's really fast and Ultra Instinct blah blah blah. Fuck it. Just let everyone... Fuck it. That's it.

And as this game is a... It's not just a Marvel-esque hyper crazy game. It's Dragon Ball. And you know what I mean? Like surpassing the limits, going further beyond is all the most on brand you can get. Do you remember when Luke came out for Street Fighter V and there was a statement that Luke represents the future of Street Fighter and I said that sucks and I was super wrong. Right.

And the reason I was super wrong is because Alex Lee is super charming And I really think he's cool Yes, but they should come also because Capcom said it themselves. Yeah, they should the bandai Namco ArcSys whoever the drag Dragon Ball should come out and be like this patch represents the future of future Dragon Ball games. And use this as the basis for Dragon Ball FighterZ do. Well, the problem really is that I think Dragon Ball FighterZ do

is just that there is none because they're like, yeah, we made it. It's called fucking Kakarot or Xenoverse 2 or... They should make another one. And like, they're like like it's this is the this was a Dragon Ball game And then we made the next one and the next Goku game has come out. What do you mean? We've already had two hot sequels and sparking zero is on its way So the latest Dragon Ball game is on its way everyone get excited You're so right That I like I'm thinking like oh that sucks

they do that and I'm thinking about like no wait I just played a Warhammer game over the fucking weekend that's how Warhammer works also they go when am I gonna get Space Marine 2 and they're like there's a new Warhammer game coming out tomorrow it's a tactics? I wanted Space Marine 2 yes You think they see any distinct they're like our Goku game has come out What do you he's there? We put out six Goku games a year? You're crazy Geez these fans, you know you want eight codes for Dragon Ball the breakers?

But it's the same I'm going to guess you also got that email. Oh, yeah. I Installed it Fuck man. I've never I've never seen seen that ever. Just like, do you want eight codes? No, I installed it on the principle, on the strength, because the concept is still an awesome one that represents something that I would be asking for, which is what if you were a rando in the Dragon Ball world? Yeah, that's cool. That's an awesome idea, and I never want to pretend that it isn't, you know?

For everything that was, it was like, yeah, I respect the risk. Because you know what? That was one of six Goku games. So why not try something different? No, that's not a Goku game. There's no Gokus in that game. But like, there was like costumes to kind of become people for a minute. I think the concept is a little too strong for its own good. What would you do if Cell

attacked the city? I'd fucking die. I'd fucking die. I'd be vaporized while eating breakfast. No but like even in games where you like you're a survivor survivor right dead by daylight and all these things like there's there There's ways to make all that game of fight But like you still have to have something powerful people for people to do Right there has to be a way for people to you know get something in there and feel like they can do something so in this In breakers you can turn into a fighter a Z warrior for us for like a second. Yeah anyway, um I Have nothing but love for the fucking Kosoke patch on that, man. It was great.

I have one last thing to say about it, and it's the impressiveness of how far they were willing to take it. So that patch came out, and people are posting clips on Twitter. And I'm looking at these clips, and I'm going I Cannot tell which of these clips are fake and which of these are real and I was informed Eventually that all but one were real I thought I was looking at 50 50 of like this is fake. This is real No, it was just the one with Broly stomping in the air that was fake. Okay, I didn't see that one.

But, look man, if Goku's wearing a Supreme jacket, just because Lytharo put that on him, doesn't mean the combo's fake. That tech is real! You know what? Hey! Arc System Works! Good for you, helping Lytharo out. He's got so much more shit he can fucking make! New content released straight to Lithero's channel. Just right to it. Like here you go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. The other funny thing about turning that game on was when they implemented the rollback netcode, you can now, when you boot the game up, you select online and then you go, do you want rollback or delay? because the old netcode still exists and it's like well we built it and Might as well leave it in there. It's there and yeah and furthermore What if this one falls apart we need to give like then if it all goes badly like it did on launch Then we need to give people ability to go to the other one, you know, but just jumping into that I'm like, let me see and there was one person in the servers for delay based Dragon Ball

fighters that was hanging out they were in training mode it was a Goku and their name was gaming. They were gaming bro. I was like oh my god the last So I watched the Lay-based Warrior I sent you the fucking stupid ass clip that is the only fake one Okay, oh show your Momo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay show your Momo I'm like I'm not familiar with this dude. I don't know if this is not real A bunch of nonsense edits yes a bunch of nonsense edits coming out of this channel on a regular basis Yeah, it's a bro all of those dude that guy's pretty funny. They're great a Bunch of hilarious. Yeah, bro least doing the walk stomp in midair Anyway, I like how that that fake clip doesn't even do as much damage

It's some of the real clips The fake clip doesn't even do as much damage as some of the real clips. The fun, I mean, here's the thing, right? Anybody that like has been labbing for a while now has a whole bunch of new shit to go discover if you are a lab monster. Like it is there. And as I always say about team games, if there's a touch of death, at worst it just means one third of your team is dead. Right? Right. Touch of deaths can exist in team games. It's allowed.

The next character comes in and there's no... Everyone starts in the same place. There's no incoming mix up on the characters. So you have yeah bare minimum three chances to live Which is more than you can get in third strike if you're fighting the code It's like look there you go, right if you get touched three times But you know in with each of your characters then God help you because that's your fuck All right, and so yeah, beyond that, I've been kinda, just, I've been working on the last Joker in Ballotro.

Oh yeah? Like, there's one that is just like, make a hand that is a hundred million chips in one shot. That's rough. That one's brutal. And I know the strategy for how to do it, and I've been trying to, but like, fuck me is that elusive. So yes, I'm currently unable to jonkel.

So Wooly, I have a piece of advice for you about getting that last jonkler. So I stopped playing the latro the instant I heard that there would be a mobile port. So everyone shut the fuck up and plan your life around the incoming mobile port. What an awesome gist. Yeah, we know. We've been working on it. Productivity go down. I love that that trailer is portrayed as a nightmare. It's the

worst thing ever. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, is being portrayed as a threat to your life. It's crazy. It really, really is. Like going out, like having it on the steam deck downstairs is already a problem. Already, you know? And let's like, yeah, now it's always there forever. So just. Hey honey, I need to take my seventh shit of the day.

Excuse me. Ah. And they updated with some crossover like Among Us cards and Witcher cards and stuff as well like recently, so there's a couple of patches and stuff that's been dropping. But yeah, hey look, they finally announced Ballotro Mobile. And it's soon. That being said, I guess it's like,

very often I am a huge proponent of not losing my save progress and I hate that feeling in things. I totally agree with you! In this game? Who gives a shit? Yeah I'll do it again! In this game? Yeah fuck it! Let's go! Except for this instance where I have no issue whatsoever getting all that shit again because fuck yeah

it was so much fun to do it. It's great. Run it back. No problems whatsoever. Yeah no, Bellatro is the kind of game where you get every single achievement and like unlock everything and you're like I guess I finally beat it. Delete my file. Okay so I'm starting Bellatro! Load up the mobile version. Oh would you like to import your save? No. No. Oh load up the mobile version. Oh, would you like to import your save? No, no I'll import my mobile save back to my steam version now take that as that it that yeah That is my recommendation. That's how much I'm in I'm down to do it again

All right quick bathroom break yeah, I gotta go pee yeah, be our babe Yeah All right quick bathroom break. Yeah, I gotta go pee. Yeah, be our bait Yeah, so lufasa has passed away That sucks that sucks. I'm just sitting here getting ready to go back. I'm like, oh fuck this sucks Yeah, I mean it it what it's one of those ones those ones where I definitely feel like we've been hearing him less and less over the years and it's, you know, I'm not sure how old he was, but rest in peace, James. He's 93, so. Yeah.

Yeah. Rest in peace, James Earl Jones. Like, it's this very strange thing. As soon as you hit 90, as soon as you pass away, people go, oh, that's terrible. And then they hear the age and you're like, oh, but that's good. Well, it's like, that's pretty good. It's a full ass life is what it is. 88 is the average in Canada. It's 87 or 86 in the US. Like, as long as you beat that, you're winning. You know. And I mean, I don't think as well like he like I think he stopped working like

quite a few years back right in general like he. I saw Dick Van Dyke at the Emmys I think he's 98 and he's like I can't believe I'm still working by the way does anyone have any more work I'd love to do more work and it's like what the fuck Dick Van Dyke you're sitting in a chair with a cane going yeah i'll act fuck it um yeah he um he he did uh i want to say like they came up with like a solution for like there's a replace sound alike or something for for the um darth vader voice and then oh do you know who does the darth vader voice it's the guy who did a fucking Chad Vader day manager do you remember that fucking skit no okay so there was a really funny skit called Chad Vader day manager and it was about fucking Darth Vader working in a fucking grocery store as the

day manager and it was this guy who convinced the people at his grocery store to let him dress up as Darth Vader and do skits and he did Darth Vader for like Force Unleashed. Huh, no shit. Okay, so I mean I guess yeah, if you had people already on deck for games and other things then sure, because you you're not gonna get James for all that But I did hear that he also he had sold his like sound alikeness for digital recreation. So I'd heard that I saw there was some there was an article about that some years ago or at least maybe one or two back But yeah, and then he did do the live-action Lion King stuff you know as well so I know that they were there for those but I don't know and I know this

is a bit of an aside but I need to like those movies are not live-action those are not real lions I hate that those are referred to as the Lion King movies I are correct you are correct do you know how exciting that short-hand live action Lion King movie would be it would be the most exciting movie ever made your point at an independent film called Roar, which was filled with 100 real lions, that was one of the most dangerous movie shoots ever because the lions just constantly attacked everyone. Because they're fucking lions. It is absolutely not. That is correct. I think the photorealism shorthand whatever bullshit anyway. Yes all that to say

I'm surprised. They're making a second one. That's crazy I Guess it made enough money. That's gonna be about scars fucking bastard son again Well, that's what the straight-to-video shit was right like like the whole like the Disney sequel It is not at all surprising because they made up to Lion King 3 or 4 straight to VHS. That was par for the course with every one of these movies, right? Those Disney sequels were so awesome because every single one of them was like, hey, why

does Genie sound different? It's because all the really big actors said, I'm not doing that shit. Yeah. I mean, fucking Aladdin going to 3 or whatever on VHS. That third one's alright! But I'm uh It's more just like oh, there's a theatrical sequel they're doing so it's like holy fuck I guess that thing really did make money It's it's one of those bits where because it's so panned online and from everyone you know

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Alright, so baby update because the baby is the cutest thing ever baby update Number one baby is just deciding to stand straight up without touching anything and go ah Every time he does it Which fucking rules? deciding to stand straight up without touching anything and go ah every time he does it which fucking rules but no steps quite yet okay just victorious stand victorious standing baby has entered into the helping toddler phase which is your your ultimate proof that humans are inherently good, in which the baby will grab any item in his vicinity and bring it to you and go, yaa, and hand it to you.

Nice. Because he is helping. Nice. I would like to assume that, like, yeah, that victory yell is one of like, oh, just you wait till I can take a fucking step. You know, a lot of parents are like, Oh, I can't wait to see my baby walking or all it's

gonna be. And I'm just like, I'm sweating. I'm sweating. The baby can already make it to the pantry very quickly. Mm-hmm. You just gave him another level of trick, right? Like, the teleport has been unlocked. Because baby walking equals baby able to fall down. Yes.

I don't want that. Also shadow stepping. No. No. And in violently depressing news, the baby is still throwing food on the floor and looking for the dog So that makes me want to crawl into a fucking hole and die so that's where I'm at for the my emotional state as for video games

games What I play this week Play fucking space marine. Well, do you know about warhammer? Um, the codex estartus the emperor of mankind Then 50 stomachs organs lungs and nailed it you fucking nailed it you did it so spice marine 2 came out what what do you laugh what are you laughing at is there a kiwi accent behind this fucking so okay no first of all my accent sucks shit you know this the reason why I do that every time is because in Space Marine one you fought the orcs

Okay, and every single time you turned a corner there would be an orc and a cockney accent going or spice Marie like literally every single fucking time okay, okay? That was almost that was almost yeah also for Warhammer's British. Yes, okay, so you know The space marine 2 came out I got the game for free so everyone take that into account when I talk about it That is a really goddamn good game, and it is taking its subject matter more serious than its existence as a game. I have a really dumb basic question. I bet I have a dumb basic answer.

Okay. So you know how in the derivative property StarCraft... That's right. The preface is important. One human soldier is relatively the equivalent of two Zerglings, which is the equivalent of two humans to one Protoss. That's right, more or less. Okay.

So like what are the orcs up to and like in 40k given that the human space marines that are no longer human are these fucking insane beasts of creatures? Like, does the average space orc hold a candle at all in the same proportion? No! No, fuck no. Absolutely not. No, no way because you know how like in the not 40k An orc is a bigger stronger more Let me just say the next or human

Everyone in the chat who's a massive fucking nerd that read the Horus heresy can correct me if I'm wrong Which you will I know you will chapters in Warhammer 40k of space Marines like, like the specific chapter, the armor color and their organizational structure, is 1,000 dudes and they'll send half of that to fucking take over a whole planet. That's the fucking math scaling you're going on. Okay. So the Marines are not even remotely a metric to compare to anything else? No. A Warhammer 40K space

Marine is going up against the entire StarCraft map. Yeah, okay. Okay. It's ridiculous. Do not think of them as advanced humanity even. No, no. These things are deific god beings. Yeah, okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. So, to answer your question is like what are the orcs up to? The orcs are up to reproducing via mushroom spores. Orcs are just, in 40k, are just dust. They're like toe fungus that just lands on the ground and grows into an orc. Okay. So there's a lot of them. Okay. Is the deal. Because, yeah, I ask because in every property that I'm familiar with, or even vaguely familiar

with, orc is a shorthand for, you know, big strong monster human. Yeah, bigger dumber guy. And then you can have little goblins that are tiny, sneakier little guys. Yeah, that's right. Then you can have elves that are like agile, fast, and pretty, and whatever, but they're all just like, you know, character archetypes that you modify and then you have your human as the balanced 50-51 and so on So like in this in this space context like orcs are no longer than the biggest like no no orcs are a numerous swarm race

Thing yeah, which is why they made a really good antagonist for space marine one that came out like ten years ago so now we're on just mmm but they still are the big threatening thing relative to the regular humans in the future just oh yeah no regular humans are like tiny little bitches by comparison right and orcs are also weird in that like they just get bigger the longer they're alive with no upper limit Okay It's a it's a whole thing Warhammer 40k is like an entire universe that is existing entirely on the rule of cool Like every single concept exists to make you convinced that your $85

make you convinced that your $85 plastic miniature that actually costs two cents is worth $85 and then you can all... It's a privilege to paint it. Of course. So Space Marine 1 came out like 10 years ago and was made by Relic, who's the guy who did Dawn of War, which is an RTS. And it was basically what StarC Ghost was supposed to be it was like hey, dude What if you were on the ground in a real-time strategy game, and you were doing that? And as a result it was

Really good. It was weirdly good. It wasn't perfect, but like it was it was solid 360 right I think that drop yeah, yeah Space Marine 2 comes in and goes listen Do you want to play Space Marine 1 with better graphics? and I go um Yeah, and they go okay, so here's what we're gonna do We're gonna have the same main character despite the games taking place hundreds of years apart. We're gonna have the same basic gameplay, mission structure, and multiplayer, but instead of the orcs, it's gonna be the Tyranids, the bugs that are not the Zerg. Now, you may look up the word tyrannid and go, that looks like

the Zerg, to which I say, shh, no, shut up though. Well, hold on a minute. Didn't everything from Warhammer come first? Yes. That's... Yeah. So, what Warhammer... Penny Arc it's one of your blacks one of your seven black mouths sing the song that ends the earth yeah you know so space marine 2 is like hey do you want to play gears of war with no cover but a really good melee system okay that's what that game is. There's no cover, but there's a really good melee

system. Do space barines need to cover? No, they are the cover. You are the cover. Yeah, okay. Okay. So you are having a basic encounter, like a normal room, is like you and your two boys against like 150 bugs with like four or five officer type bugs. You are using really good third person shooting. I'm like genuinely surprisingly good third person shooting with a full melee combat system that includes dodge rolls and parries

Yes and multiple melee weapons As well as a really cool mechanic where if you parry like a stronger monster or knock them over the heavy attack You can shoot your gun and it'll zoom in on you taking your pistol out to just blow their fucking brains out Does this make the game play more like an EDF than a shooter? No, no. I... Okay. It's like less

complex God of War Ragnarok on the melee. Okay. And it is like a solid third person shooter on the shooting. Like and you are constantly doing both at all times. Um, you're, I guess if the army or the thing you're shooting at changes from, you know, soldiers shooting at you from different distances to bugs and creatures then. Well don't worry, the bugs also have guns ah Just certain kinds of bugs

Have guns that makes sense there we go the bugs have snipers too crazy even though. They're just dumb bugs Yeah, are they just fucking ass spitting it at you. I guess no they are holding guns that are smaller bugs and the bugs that are the smaller bugs that are guns are shooting even smaller bugs as bullets. Dead seriously. I am so serious. They're essentially like, it's like a fucking, it's like a fucking, it's like holding a rat that vomits. Yeah, you yeah bugs all the way down. Yeah, no bugs

Okay, the dog that spits out the gun that shoots the bees So this is a game That has a really solid campaign with a story that has this awesome bell curve of person who doesn't really care about 40k will find this story like boring and uninteresting because 99% of all dialogue in this game is brother we must destroy the bugs for the emperor Ah! I hate the bugs, brother! And die, bugs! Ah!" It's like dry wrestling banter with a pro-Roman God Emperor fetish. It's super dry. Okay. Are there any parts of this, or rather much of this is there is there like essentially?

Reading pages out of the fucking no no no it's it's super super Utilitarian huh it's like you're on your ship, and you talk to the chaplain and your commanding officer The chaplain tells you that you aren't shit and that they think you're into chaos Then your commanding officer says you're you guys are fucking dumb you got to get down there and kill every bug ever and then you go down to the elevator and the two guys that hang out with you go I know about all these bugs are you sure you don't love chaos and then you get on the planet and you go we're gonna go here and kill the bugs then we're gonna go here and kill the bugs then we're gonna go here and kill

the bugs and then we're gonna go here and kill the bugs, and then we're gonna go here and kill the bugs for the Emperor. Okay, they're not really taking you on a journey through the lore. There is not one smile in this entire game. I mean, fair, it's fucking Warhammer. Yeah, but like, you know how it's like, oh, the Marvelization and everything's jokey? Like fuck that, no, this is about killing bugs cuz God told you to but I like that beance like that's that's always been like Are there smiles to be found ever anywhere in 40? Yes, there are yeah with Space Marines Very rarely and this this is so I'll get to that later

Yeah, fuck it I'll get to that now the game has a problem right off the bat. And this is a problem that only somebody who's tangentially, or at least a little bit into Warhammer 40K would have. So you've probably seen footage of Warhammer 40K Space Marine 2, and you have noticed that the Space Marines are blue. Say yes, you've seen them and they're blue.

I'll do so in about a second. Yes, they're blue. They're blue. This sucks a lot because the Ultramarines, also known as the Blueberries, are the boring main character not quite Roman faction of the Space Marines they are the Ryu without any sauce faction okay the default soldiers they are as default basic as it gets so So all that fun stuff that people talk about when it comes to the crazy factions and stuff, like that's all the extra fun free characters. Yeah, so they're not the space wolves with their focus on feasting and hunting and their cool fur coats. They're not the salamanders who look like the devil from a rock planet but they're actually for coats. They're not the salamanders who look like like the devil from a rock planet But they're actually really nice

They're not the raven guard who just look really fucking cool and they're all about justice I see someone yelling They're cool. Okay. It's like if you have to say okay at the end of that Yeah, like are you trying to convince yourself? They're not the blood Ravens who have like a secret dark past and like a blood range thing with magic No, ultramarines are I'm a fucking space marine And I love the Emperor and we have a vague Roman tint to some of our aesthetic, but it's They're the generalist

normal stoic space marine normal stoic space marine. So are there space marines that are that have a smile? Yeah actually totally you could have put the the salamanders or the fucking the you can put the salamanders or the fucking harlelequins? Is that a thing? Nah, that's a elf shit. Okay. Or the fucking space wolves or the... I forget, but the Primarch looks like Genghis Khan. White scars.

And he's super jokey. Yeah, no, there could have been. Right? But no, we got the fucking... That's the white scars? Okay. Yeah. We got as default as it fucking gets and as an extra point of massive fuck annoyance you start the game as one of the most interesting space marine chapters the death watch which is all the losers and criminals that have been kicked out of their fucking chapter and then you

segue into playing as a sp- as a ultramarine for the whole rest of the game. Okay, now, when you say no smiles though, it's like, are we talking about unhinged, crazy cultist smiles or are we talking about like, cause you were saying Marvel Quips- Oh, the villain gets to have a laugh. The villain has a good laugh. Okay, okay. Cause Marvel Quips is, is, I would never never expect things that that energy to show up in now franchise But I will tell you

You might have noticed that I said the villain gets to have a laugh, but I talked about bugs the whole time Well, you see Wully as this is a space marine story. It must follow a completely exhausting progression from the really interesting enemy that you are excited to fight to the Chaos Space Marines which you are mandated to fight at the end of every single fucking 40k campaign ever. Is that a bad thing? So the problem is is that the okay so the the bugs and the the Chaos Space Marines are mechanically different which is good. In the first game the orcs and the Chaos Marines were mechanically very similar except for the chaos marines

just shot you way more and was very annoying. The issue is that the bugs are more fun to fight than the chaos based marines. Okay. Like their enemy roster is like actually more fun to fight. Okay. Okay. So you get to four and a half missions in and the game goes full new New enemy roster and you're like, that's awesome And it's actually really appreciate it and they're not like much worse to fight But they're just not quite as fun to fight as the bugs Because you're getting like just soldier versus soldier tech battle. Oh, no. Well, so here's here's where they did a massive upgrade So in Space Marine one you fought, I don't even know if they have like a specific chapter. You fought like generic ass Chaos Space Marines. They were

Chaos Marines, but they were evil. Evil Space Marines. Right? In Space Marine 2, you fight chapter which is one of the weirder ones called the Thousand Sons which is a chapter of Egyptian themed dust mummy marines okay that are all just automatons filled with magic corpse dust okay um when you're fighting different factions in the Warhammer I I don't know if this is the case or not But in my head I imagine that you have like all the soldiers shooting and going nuts with each other with the armor But then whatever crazy fucked up. God they worship is also making shit happen With their faction so space marine one didn't really do that But space marine two totally actually does yeah

And like god play is happening amongst the soldiers is what I imagine it's like Yeah, okay, that does happen so complaints aside I Don't care for the ultramarines. That's that's my biggest complaint possible The campaign is fucking awesome. The story is whatever who gives a shit is an excuse to shoot bugs and chaos The narrative Who gives a shit? Really who gives a fuck really space marines are cool, and they're gonna kill chaos. That's that's the narrative

Okay, we're hitting strange what it is is an excuse to engage in the most bombastic large-scale Outrageous set piece shit I have ever seen You have to understand as an outsider yeah when you go You have to understand as an outsider. Yeah, when you go What story fuck that shit in a war hammer 40k context? And I'm like you mean the thing with the longest most detailed Wikipedia's I have ever seen with the densest most insanely Specifically that is right story ever remember. We're hand waving the the thing that's all about the lore

Absolutely a hundred percent. So here's the thing here's the thing every single Wikipedia detail exists to make a little plastic toy look more valuable than it is All of it right and warhammer So there's a lot of warhammer games and when you make a war hammer game you get To do something really fun. Which is look at a roster of like 400 different enemy factions lore is a story right and go I Want to fight the rats this time or I want the thousand suns. That's a cool chapter Like that kind of thing right so hey I'm gonna spoil the gist of the plot for Space Marine 2

sure okay get ready the bugs are there but chaos was also there and it was a secret and Chaos wants to do evil chaos shit, and then you have to stop them That is every single fucking Warhammer story okay ever exist ever ever are you ever is it ever it? But is it like because they're evil or is it because that you do it for the fucking emperor? So They are there because they are evil everything that a chaos space Marine does is because they love evil They love it They love being evil. It's their favorite. Okay

being evil. It's their favorite. Okay. They get up in the morning and they're like I love evil. And you, because you love the Emperor, hate that. Okay. Yeah, I guess I also peripherally was under the impression that there's no real good anywhere. It's just different degrees want to hear something really different degrees of I guess blood and blood thirst and you want to hear something really funny there is one faction that at one time was good huh so I don't know if you've heard of the Tao oh that name had rings a bell yeah so the Tao are a Asian focused aesthetic race that is about the greater good. They're kind of like a Maoist, like communist thing, but with a lot of Japanese robot aesthetic.

They're aliens. They're like aliens that have an Asian aesthetic and they have a lot of robots. And their whole thing was for the greater good and their society was about Benefiting for the greater good and they were kind of like weird that they were like good guys that they were actually trying to make like a good anything and Then they got retconned into that being actually due to the upper class having like mind control into that being actually due to the upper class having mind control. Ah, okay.

Okay. It was like, oh, you can't have good guys. No, you can't have good guys. You can't have them. There's no good. Yeah, okay. Got it. The closest thing to ever have a good faction in the entirety of 40K is the Salamander Space

Marine faction because they actively try and minimize civilian casualties. Okay. Like, that's as good as you're gonna get. So I saw something about like some mocap of ASL in the game as well. Uh, no, that's a different Warhammer thing. So here's the thing, I streamed Warhammer, I streamed Space Marine 2, so now the subreddit's gonna be completely flooded with Warhammer shit for like a year Mm-hmm because Warhammer people can't help it because there's so much. There's so much. There's so much Oh, yeah, I mean no like on the slop stream. I watched a video about the orb once

I think and that that set off an era so yes But anyway, the floodgates are open temporarily. Who gets the fucking shit about the story? Whatever. It's a fucking excuse. But that excuse is to have big cool battles, right? In that respect, Space Marine 2 has the biggest, coolest battles in a shooter I've ever seen ever with no qualification. I'm going to have minor encounter spoilers for the last two levels. So of six levels, they're the last two I'm going to talk a little bit about. Okay. So you beat two. In the very beginning of the game onwards. You beat it. You will see a horde of bugs coming at you.

And like, you know you see a horde in games, it's like 20 to 40 to 50 enemies, like zombies or whatever, like think of Left 4 Dead. In like one of the first big set pieces in Space Marine 2, you see like 4,000 enemies running at you. And then you realize that those are real enemies that you are going to fight. And it just kind of escalates from there. It is like it is actually nailing the whole horizon is an enemy force coming to fight just you. That's great. And you beat it. And it is like absolutely crazy. Like it's why you have a melee option in addition to shooting.

Like you shoot like hundreds. And then you get and you're just kicking and fighting. It's awesome. It has Doom's glory kill system for regaining armor, that kind of thing. I was gonna say I'm imagining the Doom cover, right? Yeah. So, you're doing, they're using the tech the team made

for World War Z to just put just shit millions of enemies on the screen. Okay, the swarm. So you're doing that with the bugs, and just the amount of bugs is escalating and escalating and escalating and you're actually encountering quite often the situation where you have completely run out of ammo. And that's why you're in melee because you are at zero bullets.

Okay. Because there are just so many. But for the series of finales, they do something that I wasn't expecting, was the whole game has been three Marines versus like 10,000 enemies per encounter. And what they do is they give you a couple of little showpiece moments of like, well, what kind of encounter would 20 Marines fight? And you get to fight, what would 20 Marines fight in scale? What would it be like to hang out with a gigantic robotic tomb robot called a Dreadnought

and fight that fight? What would it be like to fight alongside like a high tier unit or like a captain or a hero in your army. Planetary scale. And it just like escalates and then the next level escalates and it escalates. Nice. And it escalates so high that at one point you are just like doing a firing line into hell for multiple minutes. Holy shit, okay, that's pretty fucking sick.

And like it is impossible to, to like, and like the enemy force is functionally infinite. Wow. And you're doing it. You're actually playing and doing it. Yeah, okay. That's fucking nuts. And like as a result, like yeah, who cares about the story? The story is we have to stop chaos, right?

Bro, you fight a lot of bugs and chaos Like it is fulfilling the the one that it is fulfilling Starcraft ghosts dream To the nth degree of being the a single unit on your RTS map Okay, okay. Yeah Also, the final boss is awesome Also, the final boss is awesome. The final boss has a lot of melee parrying Virgil shit. It's not what I thought it was going to be. It's awesome.

For those of you who are actively in the 40K world and are painting those miniatures forever, forever. How much story takes, how much of the world is lore of previous events and how much is currently ongoing developments in an active story? Like, is it 99 to 1? It is 99.9%. can you believe that shit happened? It's all the books. Yeah, okay, okay. Can I find the Horace Heresy chart? I mean. Is that, is that? If I type in Horace Heresy chart, will I get it? I've, I get, I do, yeah, there it is!

I have wound up on Wikipedia entries and just I've read really long pages Fuck that you want that you want the chart without a look at all what happened or what I was reading Okay, okay, that's the Horace heresy chart Okay, you want a hazard a guess as to what that even is? Gotta zoom in here. The Horus Heresy timeline. Okay. So are these the book, various books, and the wars that they cover?

These are novels. These are novels. Okay. Every single one of those is a novel. Okay, so yes, this is the active forward-moving timeline. That represents like hundreds of thousands of pages. To sum up, the emperor's son Horus turned bad and made Chaos Space Marines. Okay. Well, you know, as someone who read all of Dragonlance and then I read the spin-offs and then I read the second in the age and then the, you know, the shit going back to

Ishtar and all of the, you know, all the sort of supplemental material, I've probably read about maybe somewhere between 10 and 15 books. Yeah, so. I get it. I get it. I get it. The purpose of Warhammer's story is so that when I'm playing Space Marine 2 and I see that the Imperial Guard, which is the normal human army, like regular normal humans with like regular guns and tanks, is the 8th Cadian regiment. And they yell out that Cadia broke before the

guard. I go, huh, that's cool. What does that mean? To which someone in chat will say, well, when the planet Cadia was attacked by chaos, the planet literally exploded into chunks and the guard were fighting demons on the chunks. Damn. Thus Kadia broke before the guard did. And then I go oh those are the guys I see those are the regular little humans Damn standing in as NPCs in this mission that is the purpose of Warhammer story So that there is a cool-ass Factoid to go along with Jerry the army man that happens to be in front of you are the games Covering events that are known things kind of like Halo Reach? No, no, those games are almost exclusively like brand new side events.

Oh, okay, okay. Because yeah, it was like Halo Reach is like, oh, what happened? We heard about Reach. What was the thing? Yeah, no, no, no. Oh, here it is. They're their own thing. Gotcha.

So, yeah, that campaign's a trip. That's hot. One slightly minor campaign problem. You see Ruin, and you know what, I'm gonna... They build up to like you're gonna fight a third enemy faction and then you don't and it's like, aw. But maybe that third enemy faction will come in DLC, who knows. So that's a really cool campaign. And then they have a multiplayer mode, which is 6v6 shooter. Oh shit. Capture the point. Deathmatch. Pretty normal. And before the game came out, I said, hey, I want this game's multiplayer not to be excellent, but to be pretty good.

And you know what? I nailed it. It is not excellent. It is not a fully featured Call of Duty Battlefield multiplayer suite. Not the focus of development. It is a really solid 6v6 shooter that has space marines in it and a class system and it's pretty goddamn good it's not gonna set the world on fire but when I finished that campaign I

went man I would love to shoot some fucking Space Marines and multiplayer and then I did and I had a really great time okay so you're looking for a last of us multiplayer mode more than a Metroid Prime 2 or a BioShock 2 multiplayer mode. Yeah. Still an afterthought, but some fun to be had. So what's not an afterthought is the game's other multiplayer mode. So you can play the whole game in co-op and that's cool because that's why you always have two other guys with you so that you can play three player co-op through every campaign mission. But throughout the whole campaign there is another team of

three guys that are doing the other half of your mission. So in a mission where you're like, hey, we've got to fight a lot of these bugs. Can you guys flood the area area with propane and blow up the bugs and they go got it and then you never fucking see them again they're going on the secondary mandatory co-op missions that have a full perk leveling system that is unique to it and a whole class system that is just for these like Left 4 Dead style multiplayer maps. Cool. And there's six of those. Interesting. And it's really good. It's not the best and it's not as bombastic as the campaign.

But like there are bosses that you don't get to fight in the campaign because they're in the co-op campaign. to fight in the campaign because they're in the co-op campaign. Okay. Like, you never ever fight the final boss of the bugs in the main campaign. That is in the co-op campaign. Chalice Dungeons only. No, they're not Chalice Dungeons. They're like full proper missions.

But like a full boss encounter that you would not experience if you just played the story. And I've only like poked my toe into that and that's also pretty good. So the way that I described it on Twitter was like, this is three eight out of tens combining to make like a nine. Because all of the pieces are really good. They're not the best, but they're all really good. And they're the most like, they do the best job of like the fantasy of a space marine. Like in war, and seeing Warhammer from the dirt. Like from the ground.

Are these the same devs behind the first game? Nope. Okay. Is are these the same devs behind the the first game? Nope Okay, the devs behind the first game made Dawn of War 3 which was terrible Because I'm looking at Saber Interactive here, and I'm like they made World War Z Yeah, but I'm it's all they've made of like there's a lot. This is a very active company, and I'm like how Is I guess I'm just like this I feel like I'm like, how is, I guess I'm just like, I feel like I'm missing out on something, are they like a support studio that, you know? Just be honest, I have no idea.

Cause the amount of shit they have upcoming and the shit that they're credited on is just like, extensive scrolling back through this list and they're working on the Kotor remake. Scrolling back through this list and they're working on the Kotor remake They're on Descent there are and then like going back from Warhammer. I'm seeing like Anyway a lot halo in there besides World War Z and and so on. Yeah

So of note is that at some point I think maybe this year early next year they are gonna come out with a horde mode which is like the absolute most mandatory mode for this kind of game against huge amounts of enemies they're also gonna add new enemies but nobody can tell if that's new enemy like factions or new enemy types it's's probably going to be new enemy types and not factions, but who knows. And last but not least is in the multiplayer, the co-op missions and the PVP, you know, you can go and customize your little spaceman. Yeah, you can. You can you can bro you can fucking yeah you can nuts on it so I mean right off the bat here's every chapter I have ever heard

of colors available yeah it like Gundam Breaker 4 right just just that just dropped with the with the like every gun plot option You should ever have ever is gonna be in this thing and like yes for a miniature a series about miniatures It makes perfect. Yeah, you you could paint your boys. Yes, correct So yeah, no, it's super solid. I really like it Super solid. I really like it. I'm very excited to go through the co-op campaign and I also am very excited for the horde mode and I'm just plunking away at the PvP because it's just it's chill. It's fun. I like it. It's good. It's good to do. Optional modes that are like just as fucking solid as that are good.'s a rare like these days like back of the 360 era is like well This one has pack in multiplayer and you're like, uh, and then like one out of ten. We're like, oh wait

This is actually really good Like you you boot it up and you see like a different studio name and then like the frame rate is immediately different You know and like it just starts. Yeah. You're like, why are these buttons not the same? And what is? Yeah. I get it. Yeah, no, it does have some of that because like the way your character functions in between the three modes is different in all three modes. OK. I mean, shit, man, we spent a lot of time working on the

Tomb Raider reboot and it was like the multiplayer version of that versus the single-player. It's like just wildly different controls sometimes, you know and anyway, it's very clear that different people were handling these things but But yeah, no, it's super cool. It also looks great, but man Like it doesn't run the best and it's because there's 400 fucking thousand bugs on the screen. Like it's like chugging sometimes, but then you like look at what's actually happening on the screen and you kind of go like, ah, all right.

It's a lot. It's a lot. It's the hoard from the mobile game ad that's rushing your tower except you actually have to fight them Yes, yes, it is absolutely that Yeah What else the fuck did I do? I played astrobot It's pretty good. I tried to kill my PC in My PS5. That's what I tried to do.

I'll get back to you on Astrobot. Keep that thing in a ventilated space. No. Okay, well... That's cool. Yeah, that's it! This week, you can go down to twitch.tv slash Pat Stairsat. Gonna be playing a ton of shit this week. Satisfactory 1.0 is out tomorrow. Holy fucking shit. I may be suffering through the fucking depths of despair, but I will play with my little

toy factory and conveyor belts. It's it's actually Done. Yeah, 1.0 1.0. You should try that game that games fucking awesome I'm also playing the Castlevania. Mm-hmm. What's that? Sorry seems dangerous it's it's Yeah, no, it's got that it's got that one more one that one more thing going on with it. I could just optimize these conveyor belts just a little bit. It could be a little cleaner. I'll be playing Hollow Body this week, a code provided by a publisher that looks interesting.

It's a horror game that looks kind of silent hilly. I'll also be taking a look at the Castlevania Dominus collection Because those those are the best Castlevania games they are shut up All right Yeah, so Not much I mean the main things we got into right away, but like everything about Astrobot and Days Gone and then the Sony IPs were fucking hilarious were the meat of the The the news this week, but they're gonna do a PS 5 Pro thing tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. It's like Tuesday event

Let me let me speak for all of us when I say fuck off Let me speak for all of us when I say fuck off. Hey, did you guys enjoy being able to buy a PlayStation 5 if you felt like it? Well get the fuck ready for that to be over. Now you can buy the shitty PS5 when you feel like it. But that good one's gonna be sold out. The good ones coming. I expect a bunch of VR2 stuff as well.

Because that continues to be a thing I don't get it because like I haven't run into even one PS5 game which I'm like, oh this is this is really chugging But that's cuz I don't play Oh, yeah, I'm about 50-50 now Cuz I still appreciate the like simplicity simplicity of just not thinking about set up stuff. But I also know that if I have a bunch of stuff that is like, the hard drive space is the biggest problem. Once I have to start deleting too much to reinstall a new thing, then it's like, all

right, fuck this, this is annoying. VR is in a weird space because I feel as if like as much as everyone has checked out I think within the next perhaps single digit years like I feel like people can be convinced to return if a super crazy killer app to use that old term drops that is like a really good VR experience that also doesn't make you vomit like but it it needs you're adding a lot of qualifiers on yes yes I am I am but I think that like essentially a revisit to this like 3d like you know like the 3d TVs or what like their shit that's just

gone and gone and dead forever. But I think VR tech, if something comes out that is a humongous step forward for that, it can bring some attention back to it. And I could see myself picking something up and taking a look. But lots of qualifiers, as you've said. I think you're wrong. You think it's done.

I don't know. I don't think it's done. But I don't think it's gonna be in single digit years. I think you cannot possibly overestimate how much of a fucking wall VR headsets not being a pair of sunglasses is. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Like the cables or anything that puts weight on your head at all. So, there's two things, right? There's a new piece of hardware that's easy, lightweight, and completely not cumbersome. But if you had the same level of like interface and apps and games that you have currently like

That's only gonna go so far before people are still just like kind of bored and or still feeling sick with it or not Just thoughtfully invested Whereas like a you know the other like the thing that I Think the the app or the game or whatever the case is that's like a really good experience can pull you in as like something novel to have, but it doesn't mean you're gonna keep using this device, but you'd be willing to dip your toe back in

to see what this particular thing is about. I think the form-fitting version of this current existing hardware would just, it would be interesting, but not enough, because there's still just not enough interesting things to be doing with it you know yeah so I think that we've seen a killer app with VR we saw Alex Alex was an example which is awesome right and then you bought your VR headset and played Alex and then you got to play fucking nothing for years.

So I don't think any killer app is good enough unless it's multiplayer. That could like something as big as as Counter-Strike has to come out and only be VR. I don't know that it has to be multiplayer but it needs to be a persistent thing that you would play over a long period of time for sure but the the the Inception of this feeling is though is that like a lot of peripherals and and things and gimmicks come and go in the game Industry and I feel like VR is like Sony's still trying right now

And there's other stuff that's going, and it's clearly the interest is waning, but I think it's not gone in the rear view mirror completely after this, you know? I think it's kinda hanging in there in this weird space, and something might come along that could, people are not completely checked out on the whole concept if you can fix those problems, essentially.

I also think there's something we really need to focus more on. So I just typed into Google.com, how many people get sick playing VR games? Everyone over time. It's a chart that goes straight up. The most up-to-date statistic I can find going back to September of 23 is anywhere from 40 to 70 percent of all people will eventually get sick and eventually is within 15 minutes. That's too high. I've had it go, the game depends, right? Like I've had way more, I've had the ability to use it

for like an hour using Google Maps, you know? Do you fucking hear yourself? But the, what? That that's so that's so nuts That's like the weakest shit ever. Oh, you know I could last like an hour if I was looking at a still image I'm not running defense. It's fucking garbage. I'm not defending this shit. I'm not talking about defense It's just like the thing you said is like legitimately crazy It's so nuts that they haven't been able to fix the fact that these devices you want to fucking throw up No, and like the end certain games just like you that yeah that number decreases the games

I want to play the most are probably the worst for it fucking res and beat saber and You know fucking wharf simulator. you know like you're just yeah it's it's it's gonna be rough the whole time and then that is a like every human being over a given amount of time will eventually get sick that is a thing that needs fixing whatever the whatever the solution be anyway anyway anyway like if it comes like if it comes back like listen it comes back and they're like, listen, we got the VR down into the sunglasses, like it's a pair of sunglasses with like 100 extra grams.

Wow, okay, it's wireless, amazing, and Fortnite 2. Coming at you, VR only, right? And you you're like everything's set up. Yeah, and you know what it's 300 bucks, okay? Oh wow, huh makes 25% of kids under the age of 18 vomit within half an hour So fucking dead in the water you start moving in that whatever that whatever that platformer was that I first, that I tried, where you're moving around at video game speed and not human walking speed and you just, your stomach just turns upside down

in seconds. And like, I don't get motion sickness ever, okay? And like, I've played a couple of the bad, like less well put together VR games and yeah, just oh Like it's just a violation of like your proprioceptive space Your brain hates it it might it might be a technological dead end Like the biology may not allow this technology to hit mass popularity. Hmm.

Yeah, so I know that like, the investment in, like, all the shit they did in Eagle Flight or whatever was like, you know, things to make you feel a little less sick by focusing on the beak, by having feathers to look at, by having, you know, peripheral speed lines, and there's all these little tricks that do stall the eventual horse from happening like you can You can stall it you can stall the horse you really you know But like yeah, I'm sure that's that's the number one like golden problem is like how do we not make the clientele barf? eventually it reminds me of like like so people in our chat or people listening at home on the pre-recorded version of the podcast many of you never got to actually use a

virtual boy I know you got to use a Virtual Boy. That thing lives on in my memory like a beacon because that thing had a 100% debilitating migraine rate over like 10 minutes. It was it was unbelievable. It made everyone who ever used it sick right away. The craziest part was that like the it didn't even need to be VR because there was no gyro to it. All the visor did was add depth to the game you were playing. It had one layer of parallax. But it was not like anything where you're like, oh, I'm looking around and then the gyro is,

is tracking my head movements. Therefore a fake world is making my brain think that that's where I am and thus I feel sick. It's just locking you in this dark red room for all you gain is a sense of depth and then immediately feel fucking gross. Like it cannot, if you have not personally used a Virtual Boy, it cannot be overstated

how instantaneously physically painful it was to use it within, you can feel the tingle in your fucking brain, seconds. But the difference is that you felt it in your eyes and head and not in your stomach. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just just it was like somebody just it was your eyes Touching me it was your eyes that felt it. Yeah, I still can't but like of all the stupid video game shit We talked about it's the thing. I'm most surprised actually was purchasable ever

For a half unbelievable Yeah, so yeah until until VR discussions Ever. For a half second. Unbelievable. Yeah. So yeah, until VR discussions become ridiculous to compare them to the Virtual Boy, until that comparison is stupid and unfair, I don't think VR is going to pop off. I think the end result is still gonna be VR slash AR device where seeing the real world around you with a bunch of shit on top of it means you don't get sick. Well, then we're running into a different problem

and it's a problem that Apple's running into with their thing, which is, hey, do you want a VR slash AR headset? Yeah, sure. Are you willing to look like a like complete fucking stupid piece of shit? Yeah, I don't know we not Like every like they do an Apple ad thing where they're not look I'm living my not the vision But the was he lifestyle and you look at them you go that person looks like a fucking piece of shit

yeah, as As wild as it is like it would have to return to the direction of the Google Glass, as opposed to the Apple business. Yeah, that, I mean, that had its own problem, which was, it had that beta release, which meant only the worst people in the world had them on. With scouts walking around Silicon Valley. Like, hey, look, that guy's got a new piece of technology and because of the way it rolled out It's attached to the most annoying person. I'll ever talk to in my fucking life. Oh god. Everything is being captured

This is all being recorded right now great. You know yeah But like that direction of like it's a it's a like it's eyewear And you're not using like a giant weird like even like Jordy LaForge glass Like like things are like okay at size and and relative scale, you know You look like an asshole, but the putting your fake AI eyes on the see pass-through thing is like yeah No, that's not you can't there's nowhere to go. That is a dead end. There's nowhere to go with that It was a style anyway But yes, so beyond days gone and the

The the and band studios inability to protect their legacy which Anyway, I keep coming back to that because that phrasing is like protecting legacies is often not a great you don't have great marching orders even if there's just one game that's not a legacy but well I can tell you that the Minecraft movie has a legacy to protect and uh, I don't know if you saw the trailer for that but... Bro that looks like shit! It's really funny because I feel like I've seen memes of like, you know how there's always like, yo hire this man now, right?

And Mario and Sonic running around the unreal world. So there's always in the movie version So there's always been the like what if Minecraft was real? And it's just like these fucked up renders of like Minecraft creatures and animals with realistic textures on them And they actually just committed to that like they the bit is like what if Minecraft was real is exactly what the movie is essentially. I think that we have hit in record time the fucking total failure point for a movie like this which is people working on it going it's not for you guys, it's for kids.

Yeah, well I felt that immediately watching it. I'm like, oh, this is super not for me. This is for anyone. But like, hey, kids deserve good movies too, shithead. So here's the question, right? What is the gain and loss in making it like an actual, just animated full Minecraft movie that looks like the thing versus the live-action marketability and faces and actors and kids and star power

I can tell you so kids don't give a fuck about Jack Black they look at Jack Black and who's that old guy that's not Steve well it's Jumanji man children it's Jumanji man though he's he's funny Jumanji Man. I don't think kids are watching Jumanji. I think Jumanji was a pretty big fucking mainstream hit. I think Jack Black is in there because somebody who sits behind a desk and commits Hollywood crimes went, We need a big star for the fucking Minecraft thing. Who do we? who's good? Kung Fu Panda. Jason do the, can Jason do it? Jason's a silly guy. What about Jack? That movie is being

made for an investment portfolio and like all movies are, but like, like, look at Sonic trying its best, doing Sonic shit and having Jim Carrey as Dr. Robotnik and you go, oh yeah, look at that, they're gonna shoot that little girl in that new movie? They're doing it. Hmm. Okay, everyone seems to be, alright, then if's if kids don't know I thought then then you fucking whatever was Popular with the kids, but it seems like most people think no so all right fair enough that is from Some time ago, but I'm like what else has Jack Black been doing that people would that kids would know Kung Fu Panda you hear his voice, but you don't really know that that's him necessarily Kung Fu Panda you hear his voice, but you don't really know that that's him necessarily

Yeah, I guess not then I don't know I assumed that's why they signed someone like that up for that type of role in whatever Oh, he was Bowser. He was Bowser, but do kids know that he's Bowser? You know I Mean there's that but like but the in terms of like do kids know or is the question and it's like I don't think kids Know that I Think saying that this movie is just for kids, bro Chill out is like, you know Minecraft kids are like hyper fixated little freaks, right? Like they're gonna pick your shit apart like crazy Like they're gonna be much harsher to it than fucking adult critics would be

Like they're gonna be much harsher to it than fucking adult critics would be. Think about how fucking mad children would be. Also, if Ringo or George Carlin didn't play Mr. Conductor in a Thomas the Tank Engine movie. Also, hold on a second. Again, I might be just completely off my fucking rocker, but like, peep kids that are into Minecraft, Minecraft kids are also much older now because Minecraft blew up as a thing

that was popular with kids 10 to 15 years ago. So the Minecraft movie that's made for kids. When Kumajii came out. So aren't you talking about the same relative timeframe that the kids that were into Minecraft as kids were getting into the thing That when Jack Black would have been known like what the fuck you talking about then Is that no it would like Minecraft is currently okay, so here's the thing

There's two things happening right now one is dude It's not that big of a deal this movie's made for kids But if the movie's made for kids then why'd you include Jack Black which would appeal to people who are over 20 years old? Oh, because people who are over 20 years old grew up with Minecraft. Well, then the movie isn't made for kids, is it? Because you're including a famous actor who would be primarily known to adults. So it's actually made for everyone or people in their late teens or 20s. So you saying, oh, it's just a kids movie as the people making the movie is you're admitting that it's fucking shit off the bat

and that kids deserve shit. And it's like, you think Disney goes, oh man, it's just a fucking kids movie. We don't fucking, hellfire, whatever. We don't fucking hellfire whatever I I'm surprised that I thought that I didn't see it But I thought that the Jumanji newer movie was such a big crazy fucking hit that that's why Kevin Hart and Jack Black and and the Rock and all that are just getting put in tons of shit And that was just no they're just kind of getting in everything like they're in but I thought that was the reason why I?

Thought that the newer Jumanji movie from a couple years ago was the just the beginning of that big thing and was such a big Impact in Hollywood that I gotta admit Willie. You're the only person. I thought so Jumanji to me in with your voice in like 25 years. So not, of course, of course not the, not the Robin Williams one, right? Yeah, no, that's the only one I've ever talked to a human about. Okay, so I'm talking about the one from like 2017 or whatever it was, so. Okay. I was under the wrong impression then. it seemed like a humongous deal You know what they're saying when they were making inside out

Fuck it. Let's let's phone it in. It's for the kids whatever They did not say that I should probably see inside out too cuz like apparently that's the most money movie ever money ever made money Shulonji welcome to the jungle 995.3 million USD Was this a Anyway, whatever was it Anyway, whatever. Was it impactful in 2017?

I don't know. Why so much news about, sorry, why so much news about Jumanji now? I don't know. I have no idea. I'm like, I think I'm like I think I'm like like Jack Black was like Tenacious D guy and then he hit like school of rock and then like he still was in a relatively weird space and like the Hollywood mind and then Kung Fu Panda and that thing were I

Was under the impression. Oh, hey kids kids you want to go see Minecraft Steve's played by that guy who turned off the lasers with his penis when he fought the devil that happened I remember that okay yeah not I'm not not hyper focus I'm just like I feel like I'm being gaslit and I had a weird like I experienced something and now a bunch of people are telling me it didn't happen so I feel like I'm being gaslit and I had a weird like I've experienced something and now a bunch of people are telling me It didn't happen. So I'm like Okay, I guess I had to Mongey came out right now years ago and had Robin Williams in it Like this this might be one of those bits were after the fact someone pulls some shit up and then you guys read it

And then you see what the details are but I'm just like, okay I don't know I got I didn't fucking watch it But I think our audience may just not be into Jumanji. Perhaps, perhaps. But Jumanji 3 was the 10th highest grossing movie of 2019, okay? Sure. It's fucking insane. Like I don't- Anyway, whatever.

Okay. Where are we going? This is wild. It's fucking insane like I don't anyway, whatever okay Where are we going this is wild anyway Should I watch Jumanji I have no idea I assume it's bad. I have no clue Beyond that Jesus Christ I fucking lost right So How about How about the first thing you do after getting out of jail for defrauding everybody and trapping them on an island is let's run it back. Firefest 2.

Confirmed. So I'm going gonna be blunt. Everyone who goes to this island and gets eaten by cannibals or wild bees or something deserves it. So Billy McFarland went to jail. He was a sentence of six years, did four, and has just come out and immediately has announced FireFest 2 will take place in April on a private island. And yeah, it's kind of one of those moments where it's like, okay, so because it got so popular from how fucking horrendous the first event was and the fraud and everything that occurred, it's like, but we have an opportunity to turn this moment around. You see, all doesn't like all press is good press. And so I've been

this is not true. Yeah, no, all press is good press. I disagree. There is such a thing as bad publicity. He had four years in jail to think about the plan and now as he's out he's putting it into action. Where is Ja? I have no idea. I'm sure we'll find out but never mind Ja. What about Andy King? What about Andy, the guy who had to get the water. Does anyone remember the guy who had to get the water? Andy? He got the water.

I don't know. I gotta be real, if you go to jail for four years for some kind of white collar crime, you're stupid as fuck. Isn't the whole point of committing white collar crimes that you don't get fucking caught or you can fly away or some shit I mean the real point is is that you do two thirds of your sentence because he got out in four instead of six at the end of the day did he even make any fucking money Okay. Did he even make any fucking money?

In any case, it is happening next April and you bet your ass that the spectacle, what a million percent will get tons of people to check it out to see what's going on. And they're already saying, yeah, they want to get 3000 people and yes, they're going to have cheese sandwiches and they're going to be super deluxe gourmet expensive cheese sandwiches and it's yeah just the ultimate right? Anyways good stuff. Alright so I'm gonna say it again before any details come out or the news reports any of the deaths, you're a dumb ass, you shouldn't have gone, what were you thinking?

Thank you. And I would say as well that, I'm sure this is, as this announcement just comes out, it's like, okay, it's gonna bump around a bit, but as this ramps ramps up in addition to again people like Andy who had to get the water what about all the fucking employees that were working at the first event that never got paid that were essentially just fucking completely defrauded of their work and services and everything as they peeled

out and never paid them for everything as they destroyed the island and Who knows So cool Fun it's very similar to when the bored ape dudes got all blinded by that shit, and you're like Okay That's fine. So do you think you'll be watching the Super Bowl next year? I think I might.

You think you might tune in to see what's going on? I think I might. Any interest in the scene who makes it? I have a small interest in football. Yeah, you know the funny minor curiosity The funny thing is that the NFL has announced that this the the Super Bowl will take place during a Kendrick Lamar concert Really bold bold timing you know to set it around the concert. But a game will take place before and after Kendrick Lamar plays to a stadium.

I don't think anyone's ever been as owned in a public media, non-killed fashion as Drake is. The Super Bowl, the whole world is going to dance along to the Drake is a Pedo song. The whole planet. Like literally the families, all the like the children, everybody for the world. And how many times do you play it? I don't know. We'll see right, but and this is the audience that like You know that like is the yeah notorious Super Bowl shows over the years like are they gonna let him just play the entire thing? Uncontested like on set I was recently informed on Twitter

I don't know if you you also were added in the message but somebody was at like their nephew's birthday party for like six-year-olds and they had a DJ who was playing not like us and just mixing out the swears manually sure but it's like that's that's dire but here's the thing even if they do censor it it's like it's not like the stadium won't be yelling certified pedophile. Oh, all he's got to do is hold the camera out. Sorry, the microphone out. Hold the mic. And the entire stadium jumps in anyways. So yeah. Kendrick Lamar confirmed to be playing the Super Bowl show next year.

And the funny part about it, of course, is like, you know, of course all this because Drake couldn't hold it. Sure, that's great. But there has been recent rumblings as Drake has kind of implied like gearing up for a round two he's act like there's been some posts and some subliminal weird you know some little IG stories and hinting at like oh we're gearing like oh that yeah round one would got us in the first half you know but he started to start

to get the energy going to see if there's any response to like, okay, but watch what we come back with though, right? To which in the promotion, Kendrick is just there using the pass machine saying like, I'm going to be replaying the Super Bowl and I hope you all pull up. You know, there's only one opportunity to win a championship. No round twos. Oh man, like the audacity of Aubrey to actually be like yeah okay, alright, but watch what we got coming up next though, it ain't over. Like, ugh. You had all this time to internalize the lesson. You're right, Drake. You unsuccessfully defending yourself from the allegations that you touch kids means

let's go in again. Man. You know what? You know what? You know what you know what Kendrick should do at the Super Bowl he should just walk up and play the fucking background music and just hold the microphone and let the fucking crowd do the whole song like at the Kids Choice Awards when they just played the instrumental

and the crowd of kids were singing along with the lyrics just let the crowd and the crowd of kids were singing along. Just let the crowd do the whole song. So that, so yeah, the thing is these a couple of weeks ago is when some of these like round twos things started to, you know, start rumbling, start rumbling around. And like, of course he wouldn't have any reason to say or comment or post any shit, but it's like, you know what? I'm going to be announcing that I'm at the Superbowl.

So let's take the opportunity here from the space station to speak down to the dirt, I guess. It's crazy. It's crazy. And yes, that did actually happen. There was a Not Like Us instrumental played at the Teen Choice Awards or whatever it was and hey listen listen if anybody needs to hear not like us it's the people at the Teen Choice Awards if they need to be aware man the incidental dismissal while announcing your Super Bowl show is fucking crazy. But there you go. Good stuff.

You know what? Drake would earn a little tiny piece of respect in my heart if he was at that goddamn Super Bowl and they could cut to him watching the song. If he had the fucking balls to go and fucking sit in a seat. No, because we already know he went to like other parties and events where they couldn't play any like they had to be careful about the music played. And it wasn't just not only that song, but anything from the competing labels or whatever. There's a there's sensitivity

about what would be played and such. You know. And he's been putting out other genres of stuff and people around have been like, oh yeah, he's doing good, he's thriving, he's, you know, moisturized, living his best life, I'm sure. And you know you're unbothered when you start talking about trying to get that round two off.

You know? Dude, it's been months. Damn. It's like, come on. Mogh beat the allegations in time. Isn't that fucking crazy? In the time that this entire thing. Mogh, the lord of blood.

The lord of blood. Beat the allegations. Has successfully defended himself against the allegations where Drake could not wild timeline absolutely fucking bananas oh man all right um hurt some good shit Oh man. Alright. Heard some good shits coming to Baldur's Gate with the final patch. Well, so okay, first up, they're like,

jokes on you shitheads, this isn't the final patch. We lied, there's more. More tweaks are coming. So, there are two main things, sorry sorry three main things with this patch. The first of which is they gave every single origin and the Tav the most evil fucking ending ever is now available for all of them. So I heard that the like the evil endings that are now possible are un-streamable? They are so fucked that the nudity, explicit nudity button in the options has been changed to the nudity and explicit scenes option.

Jesus Christ. has been changed to the nudity and explicit scenes option. Jesus Christ. They are big murder and it's everybody gets one. Everybody gets one horrible fucking, oh I want to go maximum shithead. Wow. Yeah. So that was part of it. I guess that's Dark Urge related?

No, that's everybody. Oh. Every origin gets one. Okay, okay. And then they also introduced an official in-game mod browser. That's right. Do you want to guess what the day one full front page of that mod list was. I bet you think you can guess, but I don't think you can. Hold on. What's um... Okay, I mean obviously fucking loose dongers and big busts aplenty is gonna be high up on that list, but... Probably like hairstyles?

So... You are way closer with the hairstyles. Okay. Okay, day one. Full every mod on the front page. What if this character was a gnome? What if instead of Minthara it was Minithara? What if instead of Lae'zel it was Lil'zel? Lil'zel! What if Aststarion was a Shordian? Oh, race changing.

Lil'zeel! Specifically gnomes. Specifically gnomes. Small. Wow. Didn't expect it. Cute curiosity and fetish on display. Yeah. Damn. But the

single most popular mod is hey better interface so like more tooltips and shit like that and the second most popular mod is removal of the party limit. Do you want to roll with the whole game all the time? Oh my god. All the time. Wait and does it like work? Does game? Yes it does. Really? There were two points in the game that would freak the fuck out if you had more than four people. Every long rest, which was a problem. And the boat from the Underdark to Grimforge would go nuts if you had more than four people. But those bugs have been fixed in the mod. There might be a couple issues hither and thither with it. But yeah, no. Do you want to roll with like 10 party members? Go for

it. What happens to like incidental conversations and like just it picks one of them and it just grabs. Okay, it just grabs people. Yeah Wow, also some characters have like a higher priority to do certain conversations I'm sure it's come also It's probably completely impractical from like managing updating and keeping track like like lovely like all that shit Let's just take a billion years to go through everybody. Absolutely But if you want to do it on the other hand the game is a joke Like, all that shit must just take a billion years to go through everybody. Oh, totally. Absolutely. But if you want to do it.

But on the other hand, the game is a joke. Yeah. If you have ten party members. Every fight has, yeah, like ten people, and you have every possible skill to just dump on everybody. So, what they're doing is the people who made the adjustable party limit mod, it's called, this September they're putting out a new mod which is a difficulty tuned to having every party member

in your party at all times. Whoa. That's advanced, okay. But for now you could just kick on honor mode and just fucking throw yourself at it, right? Yeah, that's pretty sick. Okay, so they like, cause that's a fun idea that just feels like it's like,

you accept that this is impractical and it's probably gonna bork up many times as you go. But fucking. But yeah, yeah, hey guess what? Even, dude, even making the party limit six is like a Big fucking deal cuz six is six is the classic party limit of like these types of games So like in Baldur's Gate 3 one of the only things that's really annoying is that you cannot have a fighter a cleric a rogue rogue, an archer, and

a mage. The five main ones. You can still only have four. And usually you would have two melees. So I'm assuming that also- And a rogue, and a ranger, and a divine, and an intellect spellcaster. So if you're uncapping that limit, you can also probably hire the like, you know, hirelings. Yeah hire I believe I believe The number goes up to 16 Which is like wildly Gang

Just gang rolling through the fucking story Yo that that means you are going into most fights with more characters than there are enemies What a curb stop the adventure that's fucking that's crazy, man Yeah, pull up. Oh here. I have a photo of it of how fucking stupid it is This is the usable party Wow one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen oh My god, we're gonna save Baldur's Gate. Brought the hood with me. Brought the whole hood. Damn.

Also, there is a very, very minor change to the Dark Urges thing that is of note in that patch. They have made it that if you play as the Dark Urge, the bard will actually join your party and Be selectable controllable and level up a bowl for a small amount of time as opposed to Not being selectable or controllable or level up or an or any of that Okay, I don't think I saw any of that but

What else there was one last thing oh This is of note to everyone who ever wants to play the game with split screen They have changed the way split screen works that split screen will now Split and combine. When you get close again, which is great. That's really cool. That's a fun little... Huge improvement.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, man, I just, I want to see 16 people stomping on an owlbear, just fucking JoJo part five in it, into the dirt. That's incredible. Okay. Yeah, and then they were like, hey, by the way, that's that's incredible okay yeah and then they were like hey by the way that's not the final patch they're going to be working on a photo mode next and there are a couple little things they want to polish off before they're done lol we lied so like every time they do a patch they go this

is the last one and then like the day the patch comes out they go haha and no idiots we're gonna keep working on it that's sick and and the yeah no internal internal mod browsing and stuff is that's like streamlining it that way too is pretty good as well oh dude it's so much easier Baldur's Gate 3 before this was actually a massive pain in the ass to mod A lot of like, folder juggling and Yeah, you had to do a bunch of shit. Yeah, okay, okay Does that imply Wait, no, you can't make crossplay mod

things Oh, cross play's coming. But like, I'm like, would there ever be a way to like, have a mod list that was on a, that was from PC but over on a console that was like- Oh absolutely, because mod support's coming in all the consoles. It's just not ready quite yet. So you make a mod on PC, you upload it

to the library internally, and then it's available in the console shops. Yeah, absolutely. It should work. Wow, that's amazing. Okay, if that's actually what... Yeah, that's incredible then. Because modding on consoles is never a thing. You'll need to make sure that everybody has all the same mods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, console modding is literally just never a thing. Oh yeah, totally. Though console modding is gonna be a little little more restrictive.

Okay all previous Bethesda games have done that. I see. Yeah okay I didn't know. All right cool. All right let's take some letters. Hey if you want to send in a letter send it to castle super beast mail at gmail.com that's castle super beast mail at gmail.com. All right hello Alright, hello chewy meat and fuck you got a strong jaw face. I don't know who's who. Dylan asks, not me, I don't have a strong jaw. Dylan says, I hate steak. This is because growing up when my dad made steak, it meant a skirt steak, which is a tough cut unmarinated, seasoned with generic bottled steak seasoning and cooked over the grill until the entire outside was black and the inside was dry

I'll fuck that I would drown it in ketchup to get down Enough that my parents would let me stop eating it This has given me an aversion to steak in general My question is is what foods or things do you hate that you think you would have liked if you had experienced a good version first? It took me 25 years to be able to eat lamb again. Because my grandmother would make lamb and the lamb could only be described as covered in slime,

which is not how lamb is supposed to be. And so it took me like decades after the last time I ate lamb to eat it and not have like a violent internal revulsion. Yeah, it's funny with the steak that like like I've fortunately didn't have anything like that lamb is is is great, but all it takes is the one time. So I've already talked about how like my dad with the well done steak shit is insane.

And then similarly, what the fuck was up with that fucking generation of dudes? So and I did the same shit Reggie's mom as well though Like and there's a thing with like West Indian parents in particular being anti blood Right blood in the meat is just no and it's not just for Jesus, right? And it's not really blood It's actually like it's a it's like whatever It's not really blood. It's actually like it's like whatever The name I feel like people like nerds saying that the red shit dripping out of my raw meat Isn't blood is the most like well Actually, but it's plasma shut the fuck up

It's fucking blood but the point the point being that like the thing that the parents are afraid of in this case is not even the thing you know And it tastes fucking incredible this case is not even the thing, you know? And it tastes fucking incredible. But like, yeah, so that insanity, I was able to escape and Reggie's had to do the same thing. It's weird. It's wild with that. Yeah, obviously, you know, the old egg salad fucked me up.

Oh, I fucking hate egg salad. That's never going anywhere. But I mean like, I mean, I think there's probably some other stuff that like, I'm like, if I got this in the right context, I might have been into it. You know what? I have one. I was talking with Paige about this in the car like last week and I was like man I fucking hate tequila I fucking hate tequila not only does tequila taste like shit but it always

has literally always represented a bad time for me. Something shit is going to happen if I'm drinking tequila. And so we went out to dinner a couple nights ago and I was like, you know what? I like this place. I'm going to order a tequila drink. And I had it and it was nice. And I didn't go fuck this tastes like shit fucking tequila. I was like this is a nice drink so tequila is one of those ones where Shit tequila is so disgusting and great tequila is so nice That it runs an extremely Extremely diverse gamut of quality compared to a lot of other boozes Yeah, the gamut between like dog shit vodka and the fanciest vodka ever is like that's a little better

It's it goes smoother or it goes a little harsher You know a little smoother, but but what I will say is whether it's tequila whiskey gin fucking rum Whatever you pick your poison everyone at some point in their early years fucking gin Everyone has that one night that's the bad one where they don't know their limits and they hit a wall and they fucking wharf it up and then you wake up tasting the raw ingredient. You wake up tasting the potatoes or the wheat or the barley. And then that flavor in your mouth creates an association with the sickness that you'll never forget and then the smell of it makes you go,

ah, get that away from me forever. But that is, you pick, like for some people it's tequila, but for some people it's vodka. But you always, you create that and that is meant to exist so you're known to not go to that limit anymore. Everyone has to have one of those nights I've I've seen it happen countless. I had my own like it's just there. You know But yeah, um tequila in particular it really really changes when you have a good quality one. Yeah, it was a nice drink

I liked it Even though was tequila I'm sorry tequila. I was mean to you Yeah, yeah, anyway. There's a bunch of foods that I'm just like not enthused about but like Having it bad the first time. Yeah. Oh, that's just disastrous like having the trauma like Cuz you're a kid and your parents might have cooked something like shit and maybe that'll haunt you for a while But then you get to be an adult right, but there's something about being an adult anything over like 22 23

We're like, you know what? I'm gonna try this new food Oh, it sucks and I wasted my money on finding out that this food sucks That is a that is taint. That will taint that shit. I did. So growing up not allowed to eat the porks and the meats that were sinful or whatever. Cold cuts were always these weird things that I was like, yeah, everyone's eating this for lunch every day. It's a super normal thing, but I don't know what they taste like. And when I finally did get to taste them as an adult I was like this is so fucking overrated and gross to

Baloney and ham and all these things. I was like this doesn't taste like this is not worth the hype No one's out here fucking glazing cold You're saying it's overrated no Man some sliced bal, can't wait. Eventually, a really nice like, you know, gabagool, a capycol like piece is really tasty. Some smoked salmon is, I count that as a cold cut. You know, there's shit out there that's really, really nice.

You lost your fucking mind. That is one of the most insane things you've ever said. You don't like smoked salmon? You think salmon is a cold cut it feels like a cold cut it's a cold slice of meat that you can eat cold yeah that's crazy it feels like smoked salmon is a cold cut it's it's like other cold cuts? No? That is insanity. Okay. All right. That is like pat level categorization insanity. Does the cut have to be a pork? It has to be. Okay, so I will actually explain this because there is there is a there's a real answer here

The smoked salmon I get is sliced like the cold cuts I get and it is it is cold You can eat it cold like hold on hold on before we go down this hyperbolic route. What's going on? No, I'm serious There's a there's a reason here. So a cold cut is a processed meat so a cold cut is you took like ten pigs and you turned the you fucking boiled them and shit and you turn them into a fucking ham cube that is like abomination unto God. Like your parents are right. It is on. It's fucking horrible. Right. And you slice that unholy ham amalgamate, right? You don't do that with salmon.

Salmon, you don't get 100 sammons and combine them into the salmon cube. No, it's just a cured meat that you cut from a normal salmon. Yeah, you can smoke it a certain way. No, the cold cut is from the nightmare. Okay. Smoke it a certain way. No the cold cut is from the nightmare. Okay Okay, I Did the words cold cut I go the meat is cold and it is sliced and that's how you serve it

Therefore I'm pointing out dude. What the fuck is roast beef. It's the exception that proves the rules guys Come on like like is like cold cut describes the process of what you're getting therefore. I I'm like this that what is yeah? What is considered a cold cut you know we're gonna look this processed meats are considered sausages known as cold cuts lunch meats any type of meat that is formed in the symmetrical shape after being chopped and seasoned is considered Formed in the symmetrical shape after being chopped and seasoned is considered Or as manufactured a matter yeah examples of cold cuts created using sausage manufacturing salami hot dogs Oh hot dogs a cold cut under what fucking system. Oh, it's not even cut. Oh, oh wait a minute Hot dogs are cold cuts now. This is Cold cut no wait you didn't maybe.

Except hot dogs. Were you allowed to have hot dogs? Yeah I had hot dogs but there were like beef hot dogs. Okay. But like, so beef hot dogs which are not cut nor cold... are considered cold cuts now? Because processed meat- That's crazy!

I understand there's a large overarching category of that includes, yeah you grind that shit up and it's a processed meat. And then from that, sausages, you put the meat into a sleeve and you twist and you have the thing. But the word cold cut, I assumed, was just the process, not the categorical, you know? I don't know. This is one of those things that you feel like a definition in your heart and you're willing to die over it and then you

Just get proven wrong and that feeling doesn't go away Like I just want to stamp my feet no Well, you know what I have I am NOT dying on this hill because quite frankly smoke salmon is better than fucking lunch meats Tasting can't no shit smoke salmon. Yeah, so I like it doesn't need to be in that category the sun is in the sky yeah moon is in the heaven like I was I was I was disappointed when I tasted a lot of a lot of cold cuts as an adult that being said I had some great cold cut sandwiches mind you but whenever it's like I just like a deli or a place where you can go to get a sandwich, and it's like, hey, do you want like, turkey sliced up into a panini?

Or do you want some roast beef? Yeah, you know what, hit me. Or whatever these things are. And then, or do you want like, a cold cut version? And I'm like, why the fuck would I want that when I could get like, the ripped meat? Yeah, if the meat in your sandwich looks wavy that's good. If it looks flat that's bad. That's and so like you get those offers at a lot of sandwich places and it's like but why would I ever pick that one? That's the that's the worst of the meat. Yeah it's like.

Who wants a turkey cold cut when you can get like turkey? A chunk of turkey. Yeah. Why get sliced up ham when you can get pulled bro? We got somebody in the chat who got Listeria from fucking sure hot dog. Yeah, Jesus. That's shit, dude Okay, don't get Listeria. I work at a deli will you are wrong? That's okay. That's all right I'm I mean listen. I thought the process of cutting something cold was a cold cut like that's fine That's okay. Let wait hold on that is actually like insanely not Not something cold, but I thought if you if the meat if you ate the meat cold and sliced and it was presented That's how you kind of you know anyway

I thought that salmon would apply to that because you get it in the same kind of and I stepped in handed out matter or whatever Sammons just good old fish, man Whatever. Salmon's just good old fish, man. Salmon's great. Who's hating on salmon ever? No one. That's right. Thank you.

Salmon is great, but like I will say it's great. But you gotta you gotta prepare it properly. There's a lot of fish that that is very bland if you don't prepare it properly. Alright. Let's take one over here from... Oh, we got a salmon hater in here. What the fuck? Okay, well... Takes all people in this world. That's unfortunate.

Yeah, we got a Matt who says, Hey, Pat and Woolly, Matt from Alabama here. With Concord shutting down after being out for two weeks, I was reminded of this amazing double announcement tweet for the global version of Love Live School Idol Festival 2. Oh yeah, this thing. Miracle Live. Global launch notice.

We are excited to break the news to you that the global version of Love Live School Idol Festival 2 Miracle Live is launching soon in February 2024. However, we also want to inform you that the global version will close its doors on May 31st, 2024 and cease in-app purchases accordingly. We appreciate and love the support you've shown and we're committed to making these last few months an unforgettable moment. Both the announcement for the release and shutdown date are in the same tweet! Oh yeah I guess you didn't see this when it happened. People were having a blast with this fucking thing. The JP version had been out for 10 months prior and had it shut down announced around the same time. Oh

Man, that's number one. Oh, wait a second. Wait a second How long did that game last in the global version one month February to March? No, February to May March. No, February to May. That's three months. Oh, that, yeah, to May. That's true. That means it lived for six times longer than Concord.

Man, like, I saw, I saw, what was, it was like a housefly lives longer than Concord. Way longer. Way longer. Up to 30 days. Fuck, man. Like just, yeah, the comparison point. You know, a fucking fly outlasted Concord, bruh. So let me ask you, Gene retweeted this. The weekly cutscenes that Concord was supposed to have, did you see any of them? No.

So they're so expensive looking. Like they are using the highest end mocap possible. It is bawing with money and you watch it and it's a bunch of it's a bunch of cardboard cutouts you don't give a fuck about saying nothing to each other for 90 seconds and there were months of these built up and this where a huge amount of the budget went. Spending all that money and still releasing the characters that way in that art style Bro, is the most... I can't wrap my head around it

Like, it's not like it was like, oh shit, we were starved for time and money, shit was rough, we had to get somewhere and we greenlit this It's like, you had all the time, you had all the time, you had all the money, you have a fucking episode of Secret Level, like, oh They really really really iterated enough and committed to that so You know Like games come out and they have like DLC plans and then they just kind of fall apart and like maybe the DLC doesn't come Out or you know, they're ah, it's a bummer. We never got to do this with the game kind of fall apart and like maybe the DLC doesn't come out or you know There are it's a bummer. We never got to do this with the game kind of thing, right?

Concord has like months of the most expensive cutscenes ever produced for a video game That are just dying in a drawer and will never be watched. Man. I would not be surprised if this was one of those cases where you look at the concept art and every single thing on the cutting room floor would have been better. Oh, do you mean the thing that people have been doing? Have you not been seeing people pulling the concept art

and being like, this is the same character and it's like a million times better? Oh, well fucking there you go, like like every version that the artists took to get to this final step Would have been a better exit ramp than the place they got if I can find it that was a million percent Yeah, let me open up this image and send it to you This is the the big doom lady like linebacker character look at the fucking difference here. Oh my god Yeah Okay, okay in Concord concept art and that's what they were going for the fantasy old

Sci-fi sort of art style. Oh my god. Yeah, so Concord I feel like I think Gene was saying this, but I can't quite remember. But I'm fair. Everyone seems to be in agreement that someone said you got to do these cut scenes. It's got to be realistic. And that just killed the way the game looks like outright. Because it's like, it feels as if you had a, you know, like an art sort of artist made all those. I, you know, like an artist made all those designs. I said it last time, an artist made these character designs and then they went, okay, but the character creator we have here is like a wrestling game and we've got to fit

it on this body, on this shape and these are the proportions we're going with and we're going to use these facial things and too bad, you know? But this character needs a really square head and jaw in order to make this face look Yeah, fuck that make it work with one of these seven You know, so weird afro lady just has to be weird fucking afro lady because everything is stuck in the the you know The the character creator that they built I think I think the the the fat lady wearing like Oven mitts might be the shittiest looking character I've ever seen in my life. Do you know the one I'm talking about?

I'm not sure but just like you can totally do like a fat lady body type in like a Fucking video game and have them be a cool character, but like the fucking coat with the oven mitts might be oh, yeah It's fucking unbelievably shit It you know you like like I it's weird okay whatever fat guy with you can do a fat guy look at Roadhog it's weird because you always have like it's like yeah these are these are modeled to be this way direct to final but it feels like a game where you're like, no, you're limited by a creator. I don't know. Anyway, alright. Yeah. That's... It's expensive cutscenes and we're not even talking about the fucking show.

I also agree that people saying that the regular looking white guy looking like he's wearing fucking paintball shit is the worst one. That guy is... John Concord? Yeah, no, we will soon be talking about Concord for longer than Concord was alive. Oh, Christ! Like, between... Haven't we already done so? One more conversation or so. Christ! Eat ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the fucking skins premium skins now yeah did you see that no no no no no no no oh hold on a fuck don't tell me don't

tell me they would have saved it oh fucking wish oh take a look at this fucking shit oh they what were you gonna charge take a look at these fucking things ah you had to there you had to pay for They're even worse! Wow! Wow! Oh my god! You know what you're looking at?

The lady in the dress looks good. The Asian girl in the dress looks good. Okay, yeah. And then the guy right afterwards! What the fuck? With the strutty neck and the doom helmet and the green t-shirt. You're looking at fucking, hold on let me see, you're looking at a bunch of characters

who none of their body proportions can change at all because they're all tied to super expensive mocap data. That's that's whatever yeah that's that's it. So you can only change their clothing. super expensive mocap data. That's, that's, whatever, yeah, that's, that's it. So you can only change your clothing. Like that, that's exactly what I was getting at with the, yeah, your character creator type limitations. Like you know that fucking pink Mercy skin that was like the most popular fucking thing ever? That changes parts of her fucking model.

Like... Over budgeting leading to less quality as a result. Changes parts of her fucking model. Like. Over budgeting leading to less quality as a result. Oh yeah, if this game cost of one quarter, it would have been way better. Man. Also, I read Gene's review of Concord and something we never talked about because we didn't get to play it and we're never going to get to play it is that the game's primary mode, like it's its fancy mode that had all its gimmicks in it,

sucked. Oh really? So the core mode, I think it was called rivalries, but I might be wrong. The idea was that you played one character and if you did well enough with them you would earn a buff associated with that character and then you'd switch to a new character, and then you would earn the buff from that character and be like, kind of like you're playing different characters and swapping a bunch to build up like a deck of cards. And it was super complicated and was putting you into a match on the assumption that when

you play this mode, you're going to play like five fully different characters over the course of the match which is weird because it's a hero shooter which everyone has figured out by now that when you play a hero shooter you're loading in going I want to play as Spider-Man. You lock in yeah. Right? And I was struggling to think up what that was and I realized the problem with that mode is that it's Virtua Fighter 3 team battle. Oh 3 TV It's like yeah, listen I know you only want to play wolf

But what if I forced you to play four other characters that you didn't want to play okay in order to be the most effective Weird okay and much like Virtua Fighter 3 team battle it sucks I Okay. And much like Virtua Fighter 3 Team Battle, it sucks. Also with the whole limitation by the mocap data, it's like, yeah, but isn't that basically what Capcom went through with the RE engine and with converting shit over to hyperrealism and they managed to not have this happen by having you know why right because Capcom's got like a hundred years of making the coolest characters that have ever been in video games but like the whole thing with

Concord at this point is like it's not like they were lacking time or budget you know they had resources it, they just greenlit that. Anyway, anyway. There's gonna be, I'm sure, a no clip on this at some point. That can fucking... And here's the part where we say, you know, Daigo Ikeno could have saved Concord. Daigo Ikeno could have done it. Outro Music