Castle Super Beast - SBFC 001: This is Gonna be Terrible.

Episode Date: August 13, 2013

First show! In this debut episode, the boys discuss Dragons Crown, The Wonderful 101, Kickstarter projects, Salty Bet, collusion in the Fighting Game Community and more. Got a question? Send it to [e-mail]

This is gonna be terrible! Hey everybody! Uh, welcome to episode one of the Super Best Friendcast. I thought you were gonna fuck up the name. Nope. I thought you were supposed to say episode zero. No, I already did episode zero. I did it by myself. Episode zero is the one Woolly was talking to himself. No one listened to that, oddly enough. I listened to it in my closet. I was happy. It was fine. It was hype. Anyway, we're here. All four of us. Woolly, you are clearly here. Yes, I am Woolly, joined by Pat here. Matt in Liam here as well. Thanks for being here, Liam. I hope you're glad to be here. Thanks for inviting me for once. Oh, it's true we did. Oh, feel bad, everybody. Feel bad. I don't feel

bad. Not at all. Hey, Liam, you want to come out and get publicity for you? Of course. Okay, great. Today, we're gonna... We like creepy pillows. I like creepy pillows. We decided to do a podcast, everybody. We figured we have enough shit to fucking bore you with. Due to no demand. We decided to do a podcast. There's actually been, like, all over the course of two years, I've seen it, like, you know, as much as anything else. I've been by man. No, I'm just in person demand. I have things to talk about that are important. I don't know. This is a great idea now. And this is... To people. I'm picturing a mother, like, washing clothes by hand, listening to us. Yeah. No, I pictured that for regular videos. On the soapboard.

Oh, that Pat's saying stupid shit again. So, uh, we're gonna be... While I make my grittles. You can't make me grittles. Why are you washing my grittles? Hey, I don't know what all these do. Why is she using an old washboard to wash my grittles? With soap. What kind of mom did you have, man? A busy one. Okay. Anyway, generally, we're gonna be talking about cool shit and hype shit. Anything that we like. Usually video games. I like those a lot. A lot of those. We can't get enough of those. Occasionally some movies and shit. Maybe some anime. Maybe some wrestling. Yeah, because you try. Is there wrestling news left or are they all... Oh, no. I have new stuff today. Save it for the

nationals. No, save that shit for WrestleMania. Yeah. Can't burn it all now. What we're gonna generally be doing is coming down from the top. We're gonna go around, see what everybody's been up to. We're gonna cover some of the daily news and a couple of the other segments, like, what's happening in the FGC, what's happening with movies and stuff. We're gonna do World About to Be Destroyed next week. Tune in and find out. Or die. We're gonna do a few rotating segments that might change from episode to episode just to keep things fresh, keep you on your toes. We're gonna talk about what's happening on the channel. If you guys aren't fucking sick of that shit already. Oh, by the way, if this is your first exposure to us idiots,

we have a YouTube channel. Yeah. It's called Too Best Friends Play. You might want to listen to it. It's actually called The Switcher. The one is an eye. The eye is a one. It's really, really, really simple. You know what? I say Too Best Friends Play because if you punch that in a YouTube, you'll get it all. You'll get it all. If you try and botch The Switcher, which is the dumb channel, we'd say name it. You know what's easy to remember? What? Fight or PD it. No, it's not easy. It's easy to forget. Yeah, no, it's easy to remember, but it's hard to forget. Either way, either way, we're gonna be going through that stuff. And then, of course, at the end, we take some of your questions, which we don't have any this week. Nope, we got shit. So we'll give you

a thing for next week. We'll come prepared next time. Pretend to be a fan and just say whatever or just make up questions that you say people have asked you. Okay, good. Ray, we'll do that. When the fuck is the last of us going up? We just recorded it two minutes ago. No one knows that. And now they do. This will be up after the... It's up now. Don't go behind the curtain. It's up now. I thought that was the point of all of this. Breaking the fourth wall and the fifth wall. Today is Tuesday, August 13th. I can't believe you need to take your phone out tonight. I know it's not Tuesday, it's Monday. It's Tuesday, August 13th. It's Monday, August 12th. God, Pat. I know that because I have to make the... They go up later, things are great. I have to make

the thumbnail for WrestleMania and I have to put a big one, two for Tor. Meeting up with Pat on a Friday and he's like, it's Sunday, right? It happens every time. Oh my god. Wally, what have you been playing this week? Tell me. Generally, our answers are probably going to be the same. I have played... No, they're not. No, not. Okay, well, I've been enjoying the intro of Dragon's Crown. The intro's really good. I haven't had the chance to go through all those. How much have you gone into it? Honestly, just the first couple missions. It's... I'm feeling it out with my mage, Raistlin. Of course. He's fucking owning it. Dragon's Crown. It's awesome. Why?

But I heard you say the Liam, playing as a mage only, is actually not very good when you're by yourself. It's interesting because when you start out with... If you do co-op, which the first time I tried it with Liam was both of us, mage is a great support character, but by yourself, you're doing a lot of charging. Yeah, a lot of their skills seem to have really broad support applications for when stuff gets dicey, but as a single target damage dealer, they're not the guy. If you want to do that, you want to go the Amazon or the door for the fighter. Like fighting that harpy right off the bat. It's super hard. But the thing is that as the mage, I'm burning through teleport. Yeah, absolutely. Like crazy and doing a lot of charging. But what's sick is once you get

the lightning, an early lightning rod, that jumping charge lightning attack is a fucking screen clearing magic. Beautiful. I get the feeling from his gimps like nature right now, towards the end of the game, he's going to be rocking shit. I play with some people online and they're just blowing up the screen. I'm really hoping for something like Shadows Over Mistara. It's because you end up getting a bunch of skills ruined where you get. You can load up your inventory with four or five books that each have three uses that are just room clears. So you get like 15 retarded. Something like that. But you have to tone down on your gear. Big concern I had going in was this narrator might, I hope he is, he's not annoying. Okay, so there's a free piece. As I go,

I'm going to ask a quick question. I'm going to go around. Matt, you're about the same as him. Yeah. But you're playing Amazon? Yeah. How far have you gotten into it, Liam? I played like four or five hours. With the elf. With the elf. And you're locking it a lot. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so I beat it with the Amazon and boy shit. Does that announcer? Oh my fucking god. Shut the fuck up. Liam, you're right. There is DLC to change it to Japanese or any other character. But that's not going to fix the problem. The way to fix the problem is to go into the options and turn narrator down to zero. And then it just becomes subtitles. That's the only way to fix it. I'm okay with him talking when you walk into a shop or an area with a dude. But when I get back to the

map, I don't need to hear the objective. When you get to the mid game, when you get to the mid game, it's going to be, you have to get nine talismans. And every single time you enter every screen, he will say, you have four of the nine talismans. You must edit your like, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up. But I know, I know, but it's coming from a place where George Kamitami wanted to have the feeling of a DM. Right. Right. But someone talking to you. Does that make it good? But well, you're constantly running in. Of course. There's a room in the ghost pirate cave, which is like the sixth or seventh level. And there's a secret room that you go into. And every single time you go into it, the narrator bumps up and goes, they were being duplicitous.

It was a trap by the thieves. And you need to make doubly sure. And he says the same line every single time you go into that room. And it's infuriating because you just always go into that room. Okay, Matt, here's my fuck the budget solution. If you ever look at this and you're like, how do we get this done? You run with bastion narratives over it. But bastion narrative is hard. It's crazy hard, impossible and expensive. But imagine that type of narrative on this type of game. Fuck the budget answer. You go with bastion. The way bastion is made, the way like how everything is set up, like it doesn't work for a side scrolling beat them up. No, but the point is a narrator, a narrator, a narrator that gets your actions and like comments

on them as you do them. Yeah, but bastion is like way more linear. You hit the boss. What a fucking scrub. Yeah, they ruined everything. I get what George was going on. You should have parried it. But that's so annoying. Not so annoying. That being said, he's awesome. Hold on. Yeah, so beyond that, other cool things, the wonderful 101. We've all played that demo. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of the demo? That's a fucking character action game. I wasn't gonna say it until Liam pointed it out a while ago. So like before the Wii U came out, there was an event just downtown where you could play the wonderful 101 and various Wii U games. Yeah, you called us up and said, get your ass down here. There's 101 down here. And you brought your ass down there. And I brought

my ass down there. Yeah. Anyway, so me and Woolly play it one right after the other and I look at him and I'm like, that's a good character action game. Woolly's like, it's not a, it's not a character action game. It's like, I was shut the fuck up. So anyway, there's some more footage later on. And I'm like, it's a character action game. Woolly's like, no, it's still not. We have a little stupid debate. And so Nintendo Direct on Camilla is looking swag and they play that seven minute amazing trailer. And I look at Woolly and he's like, it's a character action game. Oh my god. And for like a minute, I'm just looking at him like. That trailer, yeah, yeah, yeah. Liam hands up with the air, hands up with the air. Even before that trailer, Camilla's like,

yeah, I'm just putting DMC moves in here. Yeah, yeah. Here's my favorite combo and he does high time in the shooting. Look at the ass. Come on. Direct with the hand gestures. So when does the wonderful 101 come out? September 15th in North America. Yeah. Comes out like next week in Europe cue the logo rolling over into the logo again. Yeah. Yeah. No, that is a really fucking good game. And holy shit. And like that trailer, for me, the whole the big like breaking my brain moment was you can do multiple wonder wonder weapons at the same time up to five at the same time. Yeah, you have like three swords going on. You know what to do with them, but it looked awesome. Yeah, your brain is like, I can't even okay. You know,

yeah, I'm that's that's absolutely like a pick this up, pick the pick a Wii U up if you don't have one and pick this game up for sure. Are you gonna pick up? It was a bail box. Yes. It's a platinum box. It's a platinum box. It's a platinum box for two games. I will proudly decree. Yeah, that's well, that's what I've been up to. Right. I got my hands on with that demo as well, both the E three, where I played mostly you barely knew what we're doing. Well, yeah, I barely knew what I was doing. But at E three, I got my first hands on with the multiplayer but I was just dicking around and it was controller at controller pro support, which I really liked. And so when I got this demo, I started playing it with the pro controller, which is not the one

they're showing off. It's just this alternate control mode. It works way, way better. It works really, really well. No screen necessary. Yeah, no screen necessary, except for there is a segment about 10 minutes into the demo where you have to go into a warehouse and it does this bullshit like look down at the screen to see what's going on in the warehouse. Now look at the TV and you'll see the numbers. What does it do if you don't have a so if you have the game pad to your side, it'll say fucking look at it. And I'm like, I don't want to. That's why I'm playing with the controller. And the only solution work around is if you hit select, it will start cycling through different like picture and picture scenarios. It will do one where they switch and it will do

another in which it's picture and picture on both, but the frame rate shits in half. And like it's really annoying and it's shitty that I have to do that to play it, but it works. It's a workaround. I imagine the perfect solution is to put a worker on the game. It should just switch because really for the picture and picture, like you don't need a double render at that point. Nothing's happening on the main screen. We need to see the number on the main screen. Yeah, there are two things happening. And it just comes back to the thing that I ran into with Monster Hunter when I played a lot of Monster Hunter on Wii U. I also use the pro controller is that Nintendo seems to have mandated or done something to tell them if the guy's using a pro

controller, still make them use the game pad for stuff. I don't think so much that there's any mandate. I think it's just like you're building a Wii U game. It's the same problem across two totally different games in that like I'm playing Monster Hunter with the pro controller and it's like, hey, you want to use a menu, look over to the game pad, you've thrown into the garbage to your left. Like again, 99% of game developers and I can't I'm not criticizing them for this. They're going to be like, oh, we're making a Wii U game. What can we do with the game pad? Yeah, they come up with a lot of cool things and a lot of people enjoy them. And if Nintendo's over your shoulder as well, they're going to have something to say about it. Yeah, they're like second party.

They're like, hey, how's the multiplayer? I haven't seen any of that at all. I played some multiplayer actually. It's exactly what you expect. It's mission mode with other people? Yes, exactly. That's what it is and it's great. One screen, everyone running around? Yeah, the only thing that's kind of like a bit disconcerting and you get it after a few seconds is you're always one color no matter what weapon you have just to identify yourself. So when I'm using the sword and it's red, I'm like, oh, every player is a color of a certain kind of sword. So then your weapon should turn into a mix of the color that you are in the color's weapon. No, that's dope. It was the right thing to do, but for a second it's a bit confusing, but great, great multiplayer. How about that wonder

black? Yeah, wonder black. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. What is he saying? It's a kid that doesn't even want to be there. He just, he doesn't even want to be a wonderful 101 member. He's just like, he's like, eh, I guess they made him the tech guy to not look racist. He's playing SMT4. He couldn't be bothered with this. So playing SMT4. All of a sudden he just threw Luca in there too. Yeah. What's up with that? Right? Everyone loves Luca. Confirmed. Confirmed same universe. But no, because his dad, in the trailer, his dad dies from non bayonetta related injuries. No, no. So we don't know. We don't know. Wait till September to find out. We don't know. All right. Wait, what date in September? September 15th. Oh, okay. That's when it's coming in. All

right. In North America. Wonderful one on one. North America. Direct to you. To you. To you? Yeah. Matt, what the fuck have you been doing? I bought a brick with a screen. It's called a Vita. Oh, it's a very pretty brick. It's a very pretty brick. And I've been playing. Well, does it hold up your wall? What? No, not very well actually. You're the only person without that particular brick. Wow. This is the worst peer pressure ever. You should buy a Vita to play games you don't care about. Oh my God. I specifically bought it to play Dragon's Crown and to play Hotline Miami whenever I wanted. Right. And as soon as I got those games, all I wound up playing was Guacamele and Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max. Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max is a quality version of Street Fighter Alpha 3. I can't

even hate that. I've played a lot of World Tour. Double upper. Yeah, I've only been playing World Tour. I believe it's a game you forgot on that list. Dive kick? Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not playing that right now. But that was one of the reasons. That's one of the reasons when I got home. I'm just going to play on the PC too, whatever. I really wish we could have gotten those dive kick controllers. No. No, it was both Matt and I took our foray out into the Sony world recently because he beat up his Vita. I picked up my PS3 for Dragon's Crown and dive kick. Straight up, I just got one. Yeah. So we waited until now and I generally wait. That's weird, dude. Well, I wait until there's something that really composes. I know, but it's weird. My Wii was a

Smashbox. Right. And your PS2 was a Shadow of the Colossus box. It was a Shadow Box. I remember that. It was a Shadow Box. It is so weird that so many years went by without a PS3. That sounds awesome. You were one of those. I was playing. No, for sure. He was one of those weirdos who played MGS2 on PC. Yeah. And me, even as a big PC gamer, goes, oh, what the fuck? I did buy the PC. And Metal Gear Solid Integral was the king of VR missions. Yeah, it is. What are you going to be on VR missions? No, they're great. So how are you liking the Vita? It's the greatest, right? It's all right. My hands cramp up just as badly as when I played PSP all the time when I had to test PSP games. Oh, really? That surprises me, because for me, like, the 3DS is the one that

causes my hands. Yeah, I have the opposite problem. The 3DS cramps my hands up just as bad. I don't have that problem at all. Until you do PSP testing with the big, fat wire in the back, like, you don't know shit. Oh, I forgot about the wire. I don't know. I played PSP games primarily through TV out for years. Yeah, sure. I know. And the PSP never gave me those problems. The 3DS XL totally does. When you have tiny hands. I have tiny hands. Sitting at a shitty glass table under a flickering light playing Ghost Babel. Playing? No. Yeah. With a worm light that barely works? Yeah. Because it had an acid report. I thought you were talking about the PSP. So I thought they were going to say when you're testing PSP, like, when I had to play hours upon hours of Def Jam Fight for New York,

the takeover. The takeover. Right. But yeah, no other than that, like, it's good. It's not, it's, no, the PSP version is kind of weird. Whatever. The Vita's fine. Are you excited by the bubbles? After. The bubbles make you excited. They have anti-aliasing now. Yeah. The beautiful. And then they increase the sales? Yeah. Okay. On the 3DS and on the Vita when they added folders, sales increased the same week in Japan. Absolutely. So I actually forgot to check, but sales probably went up because the AA, the bubbles. Yeah, absolutely. The bubbles look way better now. They actually really do. After dive kick, I don't know of a single PSP game, sorry, Vita game that I even know of. And other than that, I was, I want to continue playing Saints Row the 4th, the 3rd, 1st, 4th.

Because I get to play it ahead of everyone else. But before you get, you're playing Guacamelee. Tell me about Guacamelee. Why is it good? I'll tell them about Guacamelee. Well, I mean, Liam already knows about it and Pat really knows a little bit about it, but it's got really good writing. It's always kind of funny. There's so many in-jokes. The fighting is like simple, but really fun. What is it, Matt? It is a Metroidvania game where you, I wouldn't need to need to know, tell everyone about a game that's a year old, but I guess I will. You came out on Steam two days ago. No one cares. Anyway, it is a Metroid game where you play as a luchador and you have to stop like the city, the guy of the dead. The luchador angle is so good. A lot of this luchador is like the

highest thing you can become in life. Everyone's telling you about your greatest hero. Look at you luchador. I like those posters in the background. Some of them are great, some are obnoxious. Some of them are awesome, some of them are the worst. Exactly. But they're still the best. Like the Megusta one, I'm just like, come on. I hate that. The Majora's Mask. That one's cool. The Majora's Mask one's cool, but Megusta and stuff like that, like give me a break. Like, Guacamelee's awesome. Love your drink box. There's only like two problems with it, and that it's incredibly easy and super short and hard. It's super easy. Did you collect all the collectibles? No. Okay. And the Metroidvania thing of it's not fun to explore, it's fun to beat the

levels, like that's the core difference, is that in Guacamelee it's fun to beat the levels, not to explore them. But the core difference of having to get all the hidden collectibles to get to the end of the game, instead of getting to beat the game and seeing everything, and getting a bad ending if you didn't find all the collectibles, that difference is a big deal. And unlocking the finality of the game is much more interesting to me than just an ending change. If you beat it under three hours, Juan gets, takes off his, oh it's a guy. It's a, there's six icons. So when you do find, when you can finally beat it, we can take your Vita and the Kinect and put them on a boat and send them off to a Valhalla set. When they get tired of dive kits. Which is fun. Which is

probably sad. We send it off to fjords, pining for fjords into the Valhalla set. We know they sent it in one video, but me and Pat's game of the show at E3, that we played was dive kits. And some people in comments on our YouTube videos was like, get the fuck out, dive kicks. So no one believed me when I told them I had the one. And here's the deal. I went to E3 and I got hands on Bayonetta 2, the game that is literally my dream game. That game is the most amazing. But you knew it was going to be good. Yeah, I knew it was. And then I still went to the dive kick booth and talked to Keats and all that shit and beat Dave Lang and dive kick and went, wow, dive kicks fucking awesome. Liam, what have you been doing? Just the wonderful 101. Straight up.

No, but I've played like Platinum Rankin. I've played, yeah, I've played like six hours of wonderful 101. Dang. How many tries do you have left on the demo? Actually, like 14. Oh, wow. You just, you literally put, no, I've been sitting there for hours. It's only demo like launches. If you just play it five times in a row, it doesn't care. Yeah, so I've sat there and played that at times. Which version has 101 tries into the demo? There was a guy saying the Japanese one, but that's not true. His lies. Which would have been rad. It should have been 101 trials. Other than that, I don't know, just watching like Attack on Titan and Free, which are the best. And you guys should all watch Free. You've been playing something else, Liam. I know that. Have I? You've been playing

a 3DS game that is nearly. Yeah, I've been playing 3DS. I've been playing SMT4 a little bit. Yeah, you have. Coming back to it, I took a break for some reason. I can't even remember. But whatever, let's get to your baby animes first. Baby animes for babies. Free, oh my god. Attack on Titan is not for fucking babies. You couldn't get any of those for other artist babies. I mean, those are the gorilla walking babies. Hey, just for, just for like, for the future, for clarity, let's just establish like a sick for Joe's, like a six week, like spoiler. I was just going to say, yeah. Oh yeah, six to eight weeks ago. We'll talk about it. But no, no, no, we're not going to get it to ever happen. Anything that happened last week. Just on the last week was sick.

No, just the generic. I haven't been excited about anime in a long time. Fuck it. No, that's not fair because you were excited about Jojo and that was last season. Well, yeah, but I was, but Jojo was that was just starting it back up. Exactly. It took, it took Willy, Attack on Titan and Free to get him back in. Really? I mean, I'm in on that. You're in on that. Stay free. We don't stop talking about free. We need to make sure no one knows about free. We need to actively push it down. So what you didn't see was the guy around the corner paying Liam for every mention of free. So from an outsider perspective, free is a anime for girls about taught young swimming men who swim and look pretty. I mean, never wear shirts. Never wear shirts. There's no time to wear

shirts. It is an anime for people who like good writing. Well, great, well developed characters and abs. Are there, are there, are there tones of Shona night? Oh, absolutely. There's a scene really early in the series where one of the characters goes to grab the other character from his house and he walks into his bathroom and he's in the bath, right? And the character gets out of the bath and he's wearing a bathing suit and the guy's like, why is he wearing a bathing suit? But exactly the guy was expecting him to be naked in front of him and he still went into the bathroom. And then all the fangirl swoon. And I did too. No. Okay. But yeah, it's great. Like anyone, anyone out there like anime free is actually a really good show. Oh, yeah. But no, no, in all

seriousness, beyond like the Shona night and stuff, it's actually good though. Like it actually is good. Yeah. That's like, you know what? I feel like that's like people saying the topic that we missed on Dragon's Crown, which is aside from all the misogyny and tits, it's actually a super great game. But in all seriousness, I'm not, I'm not like trying to be an apologist for it. It is actually a good show. Like, yeah, actually. Be an apologist all over. We need somebody. Okay, now we're on the street is SMT for us for fucking good. SMT for us pretty fantastic. Like I found out through Pat that it's apparently not as long as I thought the game over the weekend. It's really good. So how not persona is it? It's so different. Like, like, it's like saying the dark stalkers and street

fighter are the same game because they they're both like 2d fighters made by cat and made by catcom. Yeah, like that. That's the X. That's the winers. Yeah. That's the explanation I've been using. Like the persona focus has always been on characters. And the fucking SMT focus has always been on setting to fill everyone in because no, I haven't only played persona. Pat's favorite is persona for my favorite is devil survivor. Yeah, woolly and Matt don't like the series. Persona for arena. Oh, woolly likes persona for arena. Right. I'm still pure persona for arena is a valid choice. That's a valid choice. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, they were doing good. Catherine persona 3 spinoff of Alice. Vincent is in that world. Vincent's great.

But like me and Pat play like every SMT that comes out, right? In the recent future. I don't beat all of them. God, how many have you not beaten? Most of them. Most of indeed. I was pulled the dust off of a box of demikids at your house. And you know, and demikids is so bad. Getting to that actually is a big deal for SMT for in terms of most SMT games, people go, oh, man, I love SMT. And then you play them and you get like 90% through and you go fucking beat 20 plus hours. They're super hard. Yeah. And this one gets weirdly easy near the end. Apparently, like you get to 80% through and then you get a series of skills that allow you to just coast through the game. And I beat the final boss on like the first try with no restarts at all. And the ending's kind

of flat, but I got the chaos ending. So yeah, I'll go again and try and get neutral. I hear that one's much better. I was like, I wonder if you get neutral ending. And there's, there's law, there's chaos, and then there's neutral. Yeah. No, I'm at like 50%. And I've already started noticing there's a difficulty drop. You said about 50, the tower, right? You're at the tower? I just exited the tower. That year, about 60, 70. Wow, really? And it's gonna get really linear soon. At least it's not, but that's the best part of the game. At least it's not Tartarus. At least it's not Tartarus. Yeah. So keep us, keep us posted. So be super not Tartarus. Like, that's the deal. It's the huge overworld, all sorts of stuff. Okay. So let's jump into a little

segment called how far into Namco, not Namco X Capcom, into, um, uh, uh, Project Cross. Project Cross did you get before you stopped playing? I got 11 missions in. I got, I got a proud nine. I got to like 21. The thing about this subject is that we all bought the game. To support it hard. We stand behind you. We love you, Harana. That's great. And everyone's like, oh man, I'm having so much fun. I'm like, I bought this to support it. I didn't buy it to play. And everyone's like, you're crazy, man. You're stupid. This game is the best. I'm like, yeah, and I didn't really say anything. And then I didn't even know about this. I assumed it wouldn't count. Is your shrink wrapped? Because that's what you're saying? What? Is your shrink wrapped? Are you saying that you never opened it?

No, I opened it, but I didn't get past it. Because you would have won. See, man. The reason why you don't know that is because I don't know about Liam, but I know Woolly and I got super deep in a Namco X Capcom. I didn't touch it. And that's the same game. And we got to see it happen with everything else in that it's a really awesome game. And then you get about a fifth of the way through it, maybe, and you're like, I'm done. In my case, in my case, I remember I had my friend's PS2 and I couldn't turn it off because it was a slide card version. So I kept it on for the whole weekend. I got to mission 45. I still didn't see Captain Command or Mega Man or fucking Strider. And I'm like, what is going on? I'm 45 missions in. And for me, for what the fuck's the new game

called? The new one. Cross zone. It's so hard to figure out the title of this. I got to that mission in the saccharitizing series in front of their building where there's a billion xenomorphs. And I beat that one and the one after it. And then I was just dead. I can do it. I know you're like, get hype. It's cosmos. And then fights are 90 minutes long. Yeah. And then you got to deal with these stupid like ninja lawyers that are like original characters and the fucking chuckle fucks from OG and endless frontier. I was just going to say, because I actually like a few months ago, I was like, I'm going to try that game out. That girl, look at the size of that girl's sword. Swords. And then I'll try that game out. I started playing. I was like, wow,

this combat's really fun. Not like I know what I'm doing, but it's really fun. And again, the same sort of thing happened. And then you find out what you're doing. And then you're like, I don't want to do it anymore. I try. I'm still glad I bought it. It's a much better game than Namco X Capcom is. Yeah. The combat's a lot deeper. But the cross assault stuff is yes. Yes. Yes. On the technical level, that is true. Yeah. Namco X Capcom still had a bigger payoff earlier, though. It's like bringing you some cool. What had Mr. Drillard. Fucking Tory Hizo. Namco X Capcom also pails you in and fucking pumps you up. Yeah. Namco X Capcom also didn't have any involvement from Sega, which meant that it was free of the horrible pain

of Valkyria Chronicles characters that will never come out in North America. Valkyria Chronicles 3. Oh, shut up. And I'm sorry. You could say that it'll be the last appearance of Mega Man X ever. Of all time. Also, Mr. Drillard is in it. He's a fucking badass. Guess what? Mission 45. You still don't get him. Oh, wow. No. Jesus. So yeah. There you go. Yeah. And I got a good chunk in the project cross zone, like halfway. But yeah, fuck that. I dropped it. It needs to be shorter. Yeah. Okay. Now, you guys have obviously been kept keeping up with some of the gaming news going on recently. I read too much NeoGaft. That's actually it. Yeah, NeoGaft is the fucking stuff. That's where you stole all these news articles. No. This is no stick and destructoid.

Holy card. That's how they stole from NeoGaft. And I can point out the one link from Polygon just to make you burn. Oh, yeah. That one's going to hurt. What is it? The Dragon's Crown review? Let's not talk about that. No, no, no. Oh, fuck that. So what's going on? They made a review. So apparently, fucking visual sex game. Visual sex game? Yeah. Ghosts on. Per matching service. Per matching service. Ghosts on. That doesn't say visual sex game. No, it doesn't. But it is the visual sex. It's amazing. Now I know where you're going. Metroid inspired. It's super awesome. Metroid inspired game. You look at it, you go, this is a blade and rip off of Metroid. It's awesome. I fucking love you. Yeah. The reason why you say visual sex is because it's so rare to

see a Kickstarter game that looks like that. I believe he said, the creator said that it was Metroid and Dark Souls. Yes. That are his two primary examples. Also, the main character is very Mega Man. And when I look at it, it also makes me think of Marathon, the way Marathon's colors are. And the reason I think he said that is like, you look at it and you're like, that's fucking Metroid. That is Metroid. And then he says, and then it plays like Dark Souls and then you get your shit pushed in and you die and you go back to the thing and you try it again. When you click play on a Kickstarter trailer video, the first thing you want to see is gameplay and the last thing you want to see is gameplay. I don't want no fuckers sitting there talking to me. I don't want

to hear voices. I want nothing, but gameplay. Sometimes I want to see fuckers sitting there talking to me. In some cases, it's needed. If you're too early, if you're too early and you're doing concept stuff, I can understand. When it's, well, but the nothing sells me better than footage. Well, to me, nothing sells better to me than the person that I say, I want that guy to make games. And then they're like, here's the game I want to make. So when Brian Fargo sits down and says, hey, I'm going to tell you in five minutes why you should do Wasteland or Torment or when Avalon or Sawyer sit down and say, hey, man, you guys, you guys want an Infinity Engine RPG? That's what I want. Because I know in my head that gameplay for something like that is like a year away.

But when it's a dude guy that you don't know. Oh yeah, when it's a dude guy? Just show me some fucking footage. Show me you can do the next one. And that's why the Project Phoenix thing, they put some dudes out there, but like the fucking front page of that is like with music by Nibbo Omatsu. Like, and here's concept trailer shit, but with Omatsu on music playing. Because they're like, oh, you guys like that guy, I guess. Remember that the Shovel Knight thing was just gameplay. Yeah. That's kind of what it's all about. Yeah, absolutely. Like I never saw what any of those dudes looked like. So when I first showed this to Liam, it was that I think 5,000 of its 15,000.

Uh, Ghost Song? Yeah, Ghost Song. And then I was like, oh, that's that's not there yet. And I was like, wait, 29 days to go. Oh, never mind. Yeah, totally in the bag. So this is a 25K of 15K with 23 days to go. Yeah. And the guy straight up, he came out and said it. He's like, look, I don't know. We don't have our stretch goals outlined yet, but it's good to go towards content. So we're safe from repercussion here because this game will be fun day. It's done. It's there. Well, we're almost guaranteed to get a Wii U version on top of it. Like, oh, yeah. That's where I want to play my indie games. And the money is there. Like really good indie thing. Yeah. But I have a PC side. And there's a thing too. This is being made on Game Maker,

right? So not anymore. Oh, well, that's normal. I'm saying the money goes towards building it from scratch on other platforms. I think, yeah, it was Game Maker or something of the type, right? Those game making programs. Yeah. And now they're rebuilding it on Unity, exactly. Yeah, that's Oh, Unity is great. Everybody loves Unity. Exactly. Everyone should look at this. And that's a really horrible goal. The name implies everyone should look at it. It's true. Unity's thing is that it'll work on fucking everything. We should buy Unity, which is becoming more. Yeah, we should use Unity for this podcast. Our podcast is coming to Oculus Rift. Nice. Absolutely. No, but I look at $15,000 and I'm like, that is really humble compared to a lot of other Kickstarter's out there.

Well, it's shadows of the Eternals. It is. You know, that's still ongoing. Yeah, I know. And it's not going to make it. Oh, no, it's not going to make it. He's trying. No, they're cursed, man. They're fucking cursed. You know, like, ahead of the project, it's like with child porn charges in between the two Kickstarter's. That's a Dark Souls note. Fucking cursed. There's no way they're ever going to get that money. I'm close. No, no way. But yes, $15,000, super humble. Hey, Pat, how does it feel that like your rage can actually solicit a response from Dennis Diak? I don't feel special because I think somebody just sent him my post about, okay, for background. A while ago on our Facebook page, I made a post about how you shouldn't give Dennis Diak money because he's not

trustworthy or at least does not appear to be trustworthy. And he wrote back on our Facebook page saying, hey, man, that's not cool. You guys should give us money. It was a full response. And it was civil. It was really nice and polite. And it's just like, you know what? Yeah, it was fine. It was fine. It was fine. It wasn't evil. Dicks weren't whipped out. Yeah. And the thing is, is that I am pretty sure that at that point in that Kickstarter's path, he was going everywhere that anyone was saying anything and just saying, no, man, we're good for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's his job. Yeah. Meanwhile, the party van was pulling up to his employee's house. Oh, yeah. Oh, cursed. So fucking cursed. And moving on right along down the Kickstarter bandwagon.

Just something that is not. Oh, it wasn't funded earlier today when I looked at it. But it's fucking funded now with 29 days to go. So it has a hundred Phoenix. 131,000 of 100,000 of 29 days to go. Now, for those who don't haven't read this yet, I find that Project Phoenix Phoenix is being billed as like the big Japanese first in DRPG. Yeah. Well, in collaboration. Yeah. And you go watch the trailer and it just drops some of the names of games that the staff have worked on. World of Warcraft, Diablo, Volcanicles, Stinesgate, and Haruhi, L.A. Noir. It's a real mishmash of people. FF3, 12, 13, 12 for 14. Oh, look at that. Those are good ones. Tentu. Blood Nests, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. An unnamed, very famous RJRPG that everyone knows.

Crisis, Halo, just everything. Everyone. And fucking Umatsu, Mr. Lost Odyssey himself. Mr. Mustache. Mr. Rockbound. I know. I did that for you. He's not Mr. Lost Odyssey. He's Mr. Funnel Fantasy. Yeah, and Assassin's Creed 2. You dirt shit. And fucking Metal Gear Solid 5 and Crystal Chronicles. Yeah, that's the weirdest one. But that's Dona Burke, isn't it? Like people coming out and saying, I, you should support me working on this game because I worked on this thing that didn't come out. But no, no, but isn't that one Dona Burke? Who is this thing? Yes, yes. And thus, she's already done her work on it. Exactly, exactly. So, we already know that she killed it. Yeah. Okay. Well, it makes more sense now. And we'll wrap that up with Super Street Fighter II Turbo,

HD Remix, and Deus Ex. Well, he was the community manager. He didn't actually like. Yeah, you're not, you're not going to drop like that as a, like, we made this game. Yeah. How was the community for Super Street Fighter II Turbo at the time? It wasn't great. It was first hand, it wasn't great. It was the beginning of Capcom Unity. It was the rough start when all the early sprites leaked, and then Ray Yaminez had to come out and go, okay guys, so here's how we put off the fires. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because all the artists came out with their red pens and started circling the art. Isn't that basically when everyone at Capcom USA decided that they fucking hated you, Matt? Yeah, no, the marketing team did. Oh, the marketing. There's

a story here. Yeah, a little bit. But either way, we'll get into that. But Project Phoenix, we don't know too much about it, because I just got really hype art, a really nice logo. They're saying they basically want it to be, like, over battle. Well, the key thing in here, the key thing here, it seems like... Let us clean together. Let us clean together, yeah. Let us clean together, because we're people of Lord of the Calvary. What they basically said is they want to take the money from the Kickstarter and use it to get the highest quality models possible from an outsourcing company who did Halo 4 and Crysis 2. They did good stuff. Yeah, high quality models. Is there a Crysis 3 out? Yes, there is. Yeah, there is.

Those things just blazed by me. You used the bow. Claim your badges, Liam. It's exclusive to Origin. That's Crysis 2, man. He did the modeling. His group did the modeling for Halo 4. It's exclusive to nobody and nothing. Nothing and nowhere. Halo 4 and Crysis 3, and they're not even paying formally all the other guys, since they're all such professionals. The numbers are going up, sorry, as we speak. Yeah, no, they're just shooting up as I'm watching it. So everyone's just working on it generously and going to get the money after the fact. Yeah. But they need the money for the models right here and right now, because guess what? The game's got to hold up. Who's heading that? Who's the face? I can't remember his name, but he worked on

Steins Gate. Is it some guy? Yeah, no, the guy that's talking in the video is Hirachi Hira. He's the founder of Creative Intelligence Arts and Eminence Symphony Orchestra. No, Eminence is serious business. What is it? It's a video game. They've done video games before. It's an orchestra. No, no, no. He's directed and produced. He's a director and a producer, and he has credit to our Diablo 3 Valkyria Chronicles, Hirachi and Steins Gate. Okay, Valkyria Chronicles gets a pass from me. Dude, three of those are worthy of recognition. Whether or not Diablo 3 is a good game is nothing to do with his producing ability on it. Diablo 3 is a weird game, because it's so good, and then one decision fucked up the whole thing.

And that was Jay Wilson's decision goal. We should put them in the auction house. It's interesting, though. I'd like to see a lot more Japanese people on Kickstarter. Well, I've read a lot of Japanese fighting games. Dude! Everything I hear about the Japanese indie game scene is that they're all separated, and they're all just trying to sell single-use copies of their games over in Akihabara, and that there's no big scene. It's all separate dudes, and Milky is over there. James Milky from Everything Ever is over there going, yo, you fuckers need to get together, organize, do indie shit, and this is all the indie development. And now we're finally starting to see stuff like Yadagurassu, which is also funded, I believe.

I really wish they had their characters. Extra characters coming in. No, but I hate the character designs. Yeah, my issue with, vote on the new ones. My issue with that game is I went to go pledge for it, and I saw that four of the eight existing characters are pallet swaps, or clones of other characters. It's still a step to the right direction. Now the interesting thing that I, well something I like to do is just kind of look at the, a number of backers and the amount of money it's made so far, just to see what is the average. How much are people pledging on average? For this game, they're throwing about 70 bucks at it per person. Sorry, for Yadagurassu or for

Prodigy Phoenix? For Prodigy Phoenix. And that's interesting, because if you can see a number that equals retail, or is approximately, you've got a fucking success. For Ghost Song, it's from the people I was talking to, just amongst us. It seems like everyone's going in at about 50 bucks. I haven't gone in yet, but I will. Okay. Yeah, it's stuff like Shadowrun Returns. That game retailed for 15. I gave them 50, because I really wanted it. Like Eternity is going to retail for like 30. Yeah. I gave them almost 200. No, I really want it. For Barkley too, I went in at like 125 or something. Yeah, and it's just, it's an easy way to calculate like, how much do people actually want this? This much money is how much I want it.

Do they want it a lot? Are they coming, are they, are they putting their money where their mouth is when they say, I would pay $100 for a blank, blank, that's never going to go. I would like, people saying, I'd pay $300 for Shenmue 3. I think, I think if I add up all the money you guys have spent, it does not come compared to like what I was going to say. Yeah, you're an idiot. William, Matt, how much did you want new Skullgirls characters? Because I wanted them 100 bucks much. I'm not even talking about Skullgirls. No, when it comes to Kickstarter, when it comes to Kickstarter, like Matt is the creepiest ahead of us. Yeah, I love supportive things. I'll take second place on that. So what have you guys spent your Kickstarter money on? What did you guys,

where did you put it? Skullgirls. Kaiju Combat. It was going to be Divekick, but those are awesome. They are. Those are all awesome things. I went in on God, I don't even remember what it's called, but it was like Project Cool Game where you get your superhero guy. The one that didn't go through the open world and 3D projects. Yeah, I know. But whatever. Project Awakening. Awakening, thank you. I'm glad it didn't make it. Wow, jeez. Fuck. Way to put yourself down. Anti-dollars, you know? Yeah, no, because it looked awful. And I saw the thing from two years ago where it still looked awful.

I thought it was cool to have powers. I'm supposed to be the negative one. I was interested in having powers. I guess I'll just have to go and play the new Second Son game. That was like the worst pick you could have changed. No, no, no, no, but that's the first entry in the entire fucking series that's interesting to me. The only one I played was like, I played the first one a bit because it's the first one I bought. And then you stopped playing and you could play Prototype instead. No, I never touched Prototype, but I played a Festival of Blood because it was dirt cheap and that was great. I am shocked that there is another person that feels the same way about that because... Why would you? So I played Infamous and Prototype like damn near back to back.

And it was such an obvious thing of, wow, Infamous looks better and has better controls and has better production and clearly more thought was put into it. But you run faster in Prototype, so that's the one I'm going to play on. Also, you could do a shitload of things whether in Infamous the first one. It was like you're kind of limited. It's one of those weirdly specific things where like every other aspect of the game can suffer. But in this particular case, if movement is better in one or the other, that's the one I care about. And the winning thing in Second Son at least seems to be teleport into building, arrive on top of it. Getting around your navigational problems. Honestly, everything just looks sick. The chain is the weapon even. Just everything

looks great. And they run in the ability with their character. It's like he can take any powers that he wants. Skylar or whatever. Do whatever he wants. Okay, moving on a bit from that, let's take a look at what's happening as far as like Atlas sale. Oh, here's the deal. What's happening at Atlas? That's the rumor first. Okay, so it is Atlas is a while ago. Not a rumor. A while ago, Index Corp bought Atlas and they said, Atlas, you make the games you make forever. Who cares? Yeah. And Atlas made games and was easily the most profitable best run part of that company. Then it comes out that Index Corp's bosses were doing some really suspicious banking. They were your coos of six. Really creative financing. Matt, have you read about this?

Yes, no. Around this stuff. And when this gets found out, it also gets found out that the company has no money and is fake and is going bankrupt. What's this? The guy that funded all this money? He's called the Dragon of Dojo. These guys are weird. And so Index Corp in its entirety, not separately as its partner divisions, gets put up for sale for like 250 or something. That's what they're asking for. Yeah. And 20 large corporations in Japan, primarily in Japan, I think there's a couple Western ones, have bid on it and said, we want that. Including the likes of Sega. Sega's the only name. Yeah, bitter. That's the thing. Yeah. And Sega's bid, I think, is like 201 million dollars. One of the higher ones. And this is terrifying to me. I think it's

terrifying. What? You don't like how Sega treats its publishing properties? Okay, so here's the deal. Sega, internal, makes really good games. Their development studios are top notch. They can make good games. Well, not the Sonic games. No, they regularly make good games. The Yakuza negotiation makes good games. No, no. Yakuza, Sonic recently has been great. Right. As much as you're going to laugh, Project Diva is undeniably a good rhythm series. I'll refuse myself from the discussion. But Sega makes good games first part. Sure. But Sega, a while back when they had their fucking bullshit, like reorganization, when they lost all that money, they killed Sega USA. Yeah. So nothing comes out here anymore. The only stuff that comes out in North American Europe

is stuff that's made in Europe for the PC. Also, they fucking mistreated Platinum. They very brutally... Okay, you fuck with my boy and you fuck with me. I'm really waiting for you after school in the yard. The idea that Sega would buy Atlas would mean that they'd have another niche RPG series of titles that skew way harder to Japan that has a really talented U.S. localization arm that they would then gut because why wouldn't they just gut it their own internal one? I actually totally disagree. I think if they buy Atlas, they're going to do one of those things where it's like, okay, Atlas, just keep doing what you're doing and you make us the money. I don't see... What evidence is there of that at all? What evidence is there that Atlas USA would disappear

when there's a huge market for Persona here? Yeah, but I understand that. There's not a huge market for Persona. There is more of a market for Persona and SMT4 and the like, niche as it is, than there ever was for the Yakuza series and the Diva series out here. Honestly, that is accurate. I think it's smart to say that if they jumped in, they'd likely jump in and do one of these, we're not going to touch anything, just do what you guys do and we want to cut. No, I see them throwing Sonic in Persona. I see them trying to... They can leverage things like that, but as far as I think the Atlas running the way it does, like Atlas is doing fine otherwise. Yeah, so let's why try to fuck with the formula. I guess this comes from a difference of perspective in that I really

care a lot about a lot of Sega franchises and Platinum. So I've spent the past like five years cursing Sega every day for their design, their inability to localize anything. Okay, and what you don't know is that Liam has a Streets of Rage tattoo on his back. I have seven. Yeah. It's a mural. Like everyone knows about the use from Sega more than Liam. What I mean is like every day is a day to wake up and curse Sega, not localizing something. So when you see the news that Sega may or may not buy a niche Japanese oriented like product that you desperately worry about getting localized, you go, ah, shit. So Pat, you said what the ideal scenario for... The ideal scenario is that somebody like Gungho or some faceless Japanese corporation that none of us have ever

heard of that are not familiar with, just like index was, buys them to be like, oh, we buy for 200 million over five years. This will make us 400 million. Atlas does good, great, whatever. Leave Atlas alone because the worry is that Atlas USA would die, which is the core to this argument. Now, I'm aware that anyone in Europe right now is like cursing at us because they don't have Atlas USA. They are in this situation already with Persona 4 Arena. Did Arena ever come out? You know what? I'm just going to say no. I believe it's coming out. Let's just say no it didn't. People who own copies in Europe look at their hands and the copies just disappear. Devil Survivor 2 recently had to go through a Kickstarter-esque start-up versus a change.

Did you guys hear about that? Which? Devil Survivor 2, they said will only put it out in Europe if like 1,800 people... I think 2,500 people had created it. That's how bad the European policy situation is. It's atrocious. I was reading comments on some of the videos of Scribblers actually where dudes were like, look P4 Arena because I don't have it here in Europe. Videos like these are all my hands. Please play the game. I'll play it myself. We should get William to play the story and Pat to play the gameplay. Anyway, so please Sega don't buy Atlas. But just one last thing. I don't think you can totally assume that Atlas USA is shut down. And I respect that, but I think there's certainly room for... There's an ideal world

in which Atlas USA takes over Yakuza 5 publishing duties. Exactly. But that's not real. Honestly, you never know. Project Diva's coming to America. No, but is that not a valid point? No. Project Diva's for you. Wow, you guys are taking my fucks. They don't even know your mind. Sega walks into the cafeteria and sits down at the table. Pat fucking gets up with his tray and walks off and throws it. And Liam's like, I'm not going to talk to him, but I'm not going to get up. I'm going to see if he goes nuts first. I'm going to ask him when Streets of Rage 4 is coming. Never. I'm going to sip my little... Streets of Rage 4 is probably one of those titles. I asked him about the two other Streets of Rage games. Streets of Rage 4 is like a title that they

probably made several times and they're like, no, it's not good enough. Well, it had like some of the like, Leeds Streets of Rage 4 stuff is like, I wish I had that game. Time to go get another tattoo. Yeah. Okay, so when's Marvel? What's happening with the FGC? Nothing. Well, this is... Yeah, salty bed. That's the only thing that's going on right now. Okay. If we're not going to get into Street Fighter for another 18 years now. In 2018, I'm sitting. I am ready. But no. Okay. I waited like 10 for fucking 4. Yeah. Okay. So salty bed, right? Yeah. This is the new shit. This is... These guys fucking advertise. The most time... The most... The first time people heard about it was on the Evo stream for a lot of people. That is correct. Because they advertised on that shit. And everyone

was like, wait, what gambling with the FGC? What are you guys doing? Fake gambling for real people. You didn't know, right? So you go check it out and what do you see? A fucking Twitch TV stream with Mugen and people just talking random shit. So if you don't know what salty bed is, salty bed is some geniuses. I think it's just to handle salty. I thought it was one guy. I hope it's one guy. Anyway, he is set up... He or she has set up a Mugen setup on their PC that just runs Mugen matches between CPU characters at all times and has a built-in betting phase and website set up so that you can bet fake money on broken ass Mugen characters. Therefore making the saltiest bets. And it runs 24 hours a day and never stops. So here's the thing

now. As somebody, as one of the fucking OGs of the Mugen community, you can't... Everyone knows Woolly from Mugen. You can't even begin to understand my pain. The salt? Because it was just... It was this... Mugen was the divine fucking gift from the gods. This could be the future. Because there was Fighting Game Maker, there was some other random... There was Fighter Maker of course, but that barely came. And people have desecrated Woolly's evil eory model. Oh my god, right? No, but there was Fighting Games Makers that were all garbage. Electbite made this great thing. They put it out there. It was the best. And it could be the future. There was the golden age. It could have been something awesome. A programmer named the Necromancer invented parries and

reflectors and all kinds of crazy shit. This other guy named Shin Ryoga drew Mario in an awesome 2D style. Evil Ken. A lot of people have seen Evil Ken footage by Ryu. There's a lot of good shit that was there in the early days. And then a bunch of fucking Dragon Ball fiends just came in. Stole everybody's code. Yo dude, but Vegeta does the Final Flash? That's sick. SSJ6 BroLinks. Yeah. Okay? So that fucking... That was the plate that wiped out everything. The creators of Electbite disappeared, but before they did, they left Win Mugen. When they did that, everyone kind of kept it going for a while. It's like the ending of Sword Art. And then eventually, the bleeding, dying age of Mugen started... It was congruent with the startup of YouTube.

That YouTube inception fucking shot new life into this thing. Yeah, because you could type in Broly vs. Mario and get something. Or American Dad vs. Homer Simpson. Yeah. And you would get a match. And it was fucking... It wasn't a real match. It was collusion. And all the shitty Dragon Ball characters and dumb shit that people were copying and stealing over the years. It became even worse, but it was like, you were watching it on YouTube, so it was funny. Look how bad this is. Holy shit. This is hilariously fucking terrible. That's when I got into Mugen. Exactly. And from being the fucking joke of YouTube... Boys in a joke. It now all comes to a crescendo with Salty Bet. Of it's such a joke that now it's serious. It's gone full circle. It's in the worst possible

way. It's not golden anymore. Or the best possible way. The golden age arc is done. Griffith has already fucked that pooch and flew out the town. How much fake money was there in Mugen before? Salty Bet saved the fake wallet. When I first went on to Salty Bet, I think I just... I think I lost a whole day. Fake gambling. I think it was Saturday. And I just... Because you're chatting with people too. No, I wasn't. I'm reading the chat. Okay. And I'm talking to people on other shits because I'm not interacting with the stream monsters. And I'm just watching. It's like, every character is different for hours and hours and hours. And the time of the matches are just long enough. And the betting phase is just long enough. And it's just got this really

good rhythm. It's got that thing where you could just like when you used to turn on Discovery and like how it's made is on. And it's on for 12 hours. Right. So just watch it. Like Pachinko. Like Pachinko. And the fucking worst thing is that now the worst the character is, the better it is for your stupid Salty Bet. Well, because you're gonna get Salty Bet design terrible characters. Explain to me that because of the way Mugen works, if you make a really bad character, there's a likelihood that they're super overpowered. They're gonna win every time. Because there's no hitboxes or they're they're they gain meter for no reason. Omega Bob Saget. Omega Tom Hanks. And yeah, you know, and for the longest while,

Psycho Shredder was the thing. But then dudes with fucking full screen hitboxes. And the thing is what bothers me is I remember a time when a guy actually created a shmup in Mugen. Yeah, player one was the ship, player two was the stage. There's a remnant of that in Mugen, in Salty Bet right now. And it's alien queen, I think. Okay. And alien queen is a character that's the entire screen. Yes. And it drops in alien sprites from AVP. And as as separate hitboxes, as like beat them up characters, and every round that it loses or it wins, I forget, it's super confusing. But the number that you have to kill goes up. And it's become unbeatable. Because just get stuck locked into infinity. Right. Yeah, it's no, I'm like one of the

hypest things from a video from back in the day is M. Vison versus Mario World one one. Yeah, fucking does a psycho crusher all the way to the fucking castle. Like the thing about Mugen on YouTube is always pissing me off when you're actually looking for something legit. And you're like, no, I don't want to get out. I need to steal this footage. Okay, so that's Salty Bet's the heart that's what's going on with the FTC money. That's, you know, exactly. There's no collusion. Nope, no collusion whatsoever. Legitimacy is key. Okay, look, collusion, we have to get to collusion collusion in one sentence. Honestly, it's okay. It's really, really fucking simple. Don't collude. No one cares what you do with your money off the stream. If you're on stream at

Grand Finals, you can't just do this. You need to explain what the fuck we're talking about. All right, so look, we've been following the FTC. Explain what collusion means for starters. Because a lot of people don't actually know. I got a YouTube message that thought we were making up a word. Are you guys trying to say collision? Because I had a teacher that said collusion. The art of collusion, basically, is when two people collude. You can't use the word when you're defining it. Oh no, let me fucking get to it. Plotting. Plotting. Get to it already. Steaming and just, like, spooking the pot. Collusion is when two people who should be against each other work together. Yes, so they're mutual gain and the mutual loss of everyone else.

What this means in the fighting game community is we're both going into Grand Finals. There's a lot of money on the line. We don't want to risk it. We agree beforehand to just split the pot between one and two as an even split between both players and who fucking cares what happens with the match. We're just playing. Yeah, let's just stick around to training motion. Exactly. Now, here's the thing. The first part of that is obviously really scummy. No one likes it because it's fucking cheating, right? No, straight up. The cannon brothers that run EVO have been vehemently against this shit for years and they've been running it a long time. Oh, it's stream death. No, but it's the second part. That's the thing. You see, there's pot splitters,

but then there's the pot splitters that are not smart. So the main offenders have been Chris G and Flocker, and there's been Justin Wong, unfortunately, as well on that train where they go in. All dirtbags. They go in. Justin's a cool guy, right? He's a cool guy. Not when he's colluding. But not when he's colluding. This is Justin on collusion. And what makes no sense to anybody is that, like, why don't you just play the match? No one would care if you just picked your teams and played it out. You win the pot. It's like, yeah, you do what you want with it. Do a channel, shake hands, and don't care. It's still immoral, but don't ruin it for us. And so, like, despite the fact that he gets a lot of, like, undeserved shit, Wolf Krohn is a really cool guy. We're no bad

player. Yeah, nobody's fucking, he's awesome. And, you know, like, he's a really chill guy. We've hung out before. And like, he has had shit given to him because Justin blew up at him for not splitting a pot one time. And, like, the twist was weird at the time because it wasn't explained fully. So Justin kind of made it sound like, oh, Wolf Krohn agreed to a deal and then backed out of it. You know, but now we see the truth is, no, Wolf Krohn was like, it's dishonorable. No, I'm not going to split the pot. Why are you just splitting the pot, man? So the sickest shit happens where this happens. I just punched Justin. VXG, a recent tournament. And once it goes down, all the tournament organizers in the fighting game community get together and go,

fuck it, it's done. We can't have people, like, new viewers seeing this shit. No, I envision a dark, like, chamber where all the fighting games, like, it's sealed. It's sealed. It's having a cabal. Absolutely. That's awesome. They're all robots. And we may or may not have an ear in that chamber. But anyway, you fucking get these guys getting together, and they're like, that's it, we're doing it. Mark Mann gets in there and goes, all right, any Madcats players to do this, you're suspended immediately. Broken tier, suspended immediately. Furthermore, any tournaments that are running this rule, basically, you all have to agree to run it at your tournaments. If you don't, we will not cover you on Eventhubs, we will not cover you

on SRK. You will not be covered anywhere, your stream will be invisible. Third, if you do it, you're banned from all participating tournaments for at least minimum six months. Which is going to be everybody, so it's going to be everywhere. So you're fucking done, your career is done. So don't do it over with. It's great, and it's basically a yellow card, red card system they were thinking about implementing. And we've needed this for the longest while, because we need to grow the FGC. How does it work? So what fucking happens? First fucking week, okay, down in New York, Spooky's running his stream. Spooky noted fighting games streamer again, awesome dude. The best fighting game streamer.

The hardest working man in the FGC. He's running his stream, and Chris G, notable Marvel player, the best. And Scumbag. And Sanford Kelly, the king, as you know. Mr. Picketop tier, if I remember correctly. And Mr. Sentinel doesn't suck until I say so. They both get to the top and they're like, whoa, you can't force us to pick a character. Who are you to tell me to pick my character? Right, like we can do what we want as players, and like, Arturo's on the stream like guys, don't do it. Arturo's Spooky's brother. He's not as okay with Shuri, Spooky's brother. They're both kings of poverty, so that's fine. And then they're just like, fuck it, they're playing, and they just pick random stupid characters in Super Street Fighter 4.

The pinnacle of what this whole thing is trying to stop. Just to say fuck it. Just to say fuck it. Spooky fucking gets up. Spooky's going nuts. He goes, that's where it comes from, right? No, that's not where it comes from. But it might as well. It should, right? Spooky fucking gets up, goes, is this a button check? Is this a button check? They're not playing? Get the fuck off my stream. We're not running this bullshit. And Spooky is 100% in the right. That is his job, and they're dicking around and ruining his fucking job. Every time Spooky gets pissed off, it's the most warranted thing ever. It is super justified. He's amazing. Ah, touching his, touching his computer. Don't touch the man's equipment. Don't, don't, don't do it. And that,

but to yell at that volume. If I want, if I, you're going to look at that top right now. If I just started slapping it and trying to pull up websites. You would choke slam. And this was live. And 100,000 people are tuned in. You'd be sponsors. You'd be pretty fucking pissed off. Rule number one. So that fucking happens, and they get booted the fuck off the stream, and everyone goes, yo, this is serious shit. And then third place wins. Yep. That's it. Done and done. Marvel final hop, Marvel finals happened right after, and ain't nobody fucking around with that. They played out. And Christy's in there, right? He was in the Marvel finals. Yeah. And he didn't fuck around. He played it. He probably won. The system worked. It was.

So that was collusion in one word. In one word. Yes. In one word. But I just want to point out, there's a lot of people bitching about it. And it's like, what the fuck is wrong? Like, we're just, let us be dishonorable. No, no, no. It's the dumb, it's the dumb argument from the player perspective, who they just like to argue about the fact that how can you force me to pick my character? You're taking away our rights. And the response is, you know, when somebody is not playing D. The idea is from the player perspective, is that I am everything. When the real thing is that the player or cyber athlete, or whatever the fuck you want to call them, is an employee of the person watching the stream. Yeah, no,

I totally get that. But it's like, you're not being a friend. No, they're stupid. That's just, you know, they're dumb. You know when you're watching it and you know that someone's not playing to win. It's the same thing as if you're at a friend's house and you're watching your friend, and your friend is playing their little brother, their little sister. Yeah. And you can see how it really got me. Oh, geez, my move didn't work. Oh, Phoenix Wright. Oh, he's coming out. Fucking objection. I'm inside on that. Anyway, so let's just wind it down a bit with this week's Matt Watch. Hey, Matt, who are you stalking this week? I'm stalking two people this week. Let us know. Lean into the mic. Let us know. This week, I'm stalking Brian Singer, the director

of X-Men 1 and 2 and X-Men Days of the Future Pass. Is he coming back to save X-Men? Yes, he is because I got to see no one's seen this yet somewhere. I got to see an early trailer of X-Men Days of the Future Pass because I went to a cool sort of talk about his career or whatever. For cool people? For cool people only. So you guys weren't there. I wasn't there. It was actually really, really interesting. And I forgot like he directed certain things. I forgot he directed Apped Pupil, which was an awesome movie. And I forgot that Ian McKellen was in there too. So I'm like, oh, that makes sense that why he got him to play Magneto in X-Men. Is App Pupil the one where the guys are crazy Nazi? Yes. Okay, Hitler teacher. Yeah. And it was just really awesome.

And he showed the trailer like a couple of times and it's the same type of thing. He's like, oh, I love this town. Oh, it's great. All you people are awesome. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So he was really cool. And I was just like, okay, now I was interested in Days of the Future Pass. But now just after seeing everything, I'm like, well, he's a really cool guy. Peter fucking Dinklage. The imposition. Yeah, he plays all like Trask. He's Trask. And you see him like in the trailer and he's just yucking it up at a podium and he's probably saying, all right, we're now releasing Sentinels. I'm so hyped that like he's now the premiere, like Dwarf slash midget actor. Yeah, no, everyone else is out of the job. I'm not fucking

Yeah, every other guy that the guy that was the what was the the midget guy and Seinfeld Jerry's friend. Oh, yeah, Jerry's friend. He's never didn't work again. It's over. He's probably dead. And the other person I'm talking, of course, is Aubrey Plaza this week. Parks and Recreation of Parks and Recreation Scott Pilgrim versus the world. But it was mostly because I started watching Portlandia and she's in there and she looks so super cute. And I just like, whatever. And then we just I just went down the rabbit hole of looking at every interview she did ever. And she's super funny and she's super cute. That's basically it. So Aubrey posting videos on everybody's Facebook. If you're listening, give me a call, whatever. It's been a while.

All right. And then finally, this would be the section where we take a question from you guys. But instead, it'll be the email address that Aubrey Plaza can hit up matter. Yeah. So if you if you want to hit on Matt and pretend to be Aubrey Plaza or ask us a question about stuff. Yeah. What's the email address, Willie? The people should send questions to superbestfriendcastatgmail.com. What's that again, Willie? Super bestfriendcastatgmail.com in September 15th. That sounds like a really good email. We're going to assume every question is directed at everyone unless you know otherwise. So if you've got a question for Liam, be like, exactly. Exactly. How dirty is your pillow? You look good. Just washed it. There will also be

generally there will also be a video showing some of the show notes with links to the shit we talked about. We'll throw it up sometimes to let you guys know that, hey, the podcast episode's out. And if you throw a comment, a question in the comments down there, I might check it out and I might answer that one too. Well, we have we have two sources for two sources. All right, two time, two time. Okay, so that's pretty much all the time we have for today. We have more, but we're tired and we're running out of film. We're filming this. Just the audio flipping around the tour. I want to go home. I'm scared. Yeah, so that was pretty hype, guys. Yeah. Thanks for tuning in to the super best friendcast. See you next week.

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