Castle Super Beast - SBFC 021: SKYCRIMES

Episode Date: December 31, 2013

Time to catch up on all the holiday gaming news! We talk P4Rgaming, ZUBAZ IN SHOVEL KNIGHT, Hacked WiiU Gamepads to PC, Japanese devs giving their GOTY opinions.Got a question for us? Send it to: supe...rbestfriendcast@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:00:30 If you see me on the internet browser on my Wii U all the time, it's because that's not a reading joke. Right. That's all it means. If my most played game is internet browser. Oh, well, of course. Pornography? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:53 If you can't touch it, your stylus and your finger are just not worn. Are you really watching porn? Yeah. You need to get into the community with your Oculus. Well, I do, but it reaches out to you. Don't judge. No. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Let's see. The Bible judges you. I love the Bible. Nice. What was the thing you said at the end of the last Bible 3? It was like, happy Bible in everyone. Yeah. Happy festivals is actually what I said.
Starting point is 00:01:18 No. But you said the Bible. Did I say the Bibleing? Yeah. I was saying like the Bibleing, the revenge, the something. Something like that. Now, all I can think about is how much I really liked the Bible from Symphony of the Night. And that was my favorite power room.
Starting point is 00:01:32 Yeah. It was the Bible that did the most good. It was super good. It was more than just the Bible. It would float around you and kick people's ass. That was a really old testament. Yeah. My family had watched a bit of the Christmas video, the Christmas games, and like, oh,
Starting point is 00:01:47 you're playing the cute little Mario game. I don't watch all of it, but I was about to, I was going to link it to all my friends because it looked cute or whatever. And I said, well, you got to wait because then I start throwing baby Moses into the grip. Yeah. Yeah. And my parents are like, what? I'm like, there's this game where it's like you throw baby Moses into the grip.
Starting point is 00:02:02 That's where he goes. And guess what? Good job, but you forgot baby Moses. It's how the story went, right? You're not allowed to do it like that. He flipped it. He had a basket. Well, baby Moses, his mother just strong armed baby Moses into the reeds.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Yep. And sick Noah animal stacking combos. I can't get a man with this baby. No. And my sister watched it. And when she got to the last Bible, she was like, we didn't leave you on the road on the way to Christmas. You were too young to remember.
Starting point is 00:02:32 And really right before we started this, I looked and says Christian Bale as Moses and Ridley Scott's exodus. And it's just Ridley Scott doing this. Christian Bale doing. Does he already have the crazy man beard? It's a little there, but it's not. It's no Charlton Heston beard. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:02:53 And I wonder what Ridley Scott will fuck up and cut out of this version, the parting of the Red Sea. Yeah. To be fair, that's Fox always cutting his shit out. Whatever. The place. I don't care if it's his fault or not. We've been really great as if the Israelites are all moving down the line to like go to
Starting point is 00:03:10 the promised land and some woman just falls over and then Christian Bale turns and goes, oh, that's fucking great. Oh, good for you. Yeah. That would be awesome. And like who are they going to cast as like pharaoh? Because you know they could get a ton of people that actually look like they would be a pharaoh? Avior Bardem.
Starting point is 00:03:29 Um, Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake Gyllenhaal says the pharaoh. He's like, fucking just cast somebody from Egypt. Cast the hot dude from the mummy. You know the one. You know the guy that's an ex. Fraser? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:42 No, just cast the mummy. The dude that's an actual Persian prince? He's cast the rock. Oh, that guy? No, that guy is so hot that he's out of like Saudi Arabia. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And he was too hot. No, I invited Aaron to Emirates. Just make it ODET fair. Oh, right. That's what I mean. Yeah, the hot guy. The hot guy. That dude's hot.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Yeah, he is. He made a hot Carlos Oliveira. He super did. Damn. Geez. Getting steamy in here, guys. Who's the wrong Carlos? He's a little hot.
Starting point is 00:04:11 He's different. I need some soy. Does that actually soy? This is soy chai tea. It's pretty tasty. Do we need to have an intervention? No. It's actually really good.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Anyway. Someone says chai. We were going to shut up. Episode 21. Welcome, everybody. Welcome. Chai. And I want to enjoy your chai.
Starting point is 00:04:28 Yeah, I will. Eggnog last week, and then wame chai this week. It's so not lame. What are we going to start drinking next week? Fucking oat milk for some bullshit. Goat milk. Buttermilk. Buttermilk is fucking fire, man.
Starting point is 00:04:42 I will never drink that. I can't believe Adam West drank 14 glasses of that to beat the Joker. Okay. What? I bet you Plague drinks buttermilk. I bet Plague makes buttermilk. Fuck. Let's not talk about that.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Yeah, no. Did you see someone say, like, I can't believe Plague is registered at CreepyFarmers.com? No, no, no. FarmersOnly.com. And I was like, what is that? And I went to it and you saw it. And you take a guess at what it is. It's online dating from Farmers.
Starting point is 00:05:10 A Farmers Only dating website. I was so happy. I have to love it. I imagine if you're associated with the farming community, you have to find someone that's also, also. Yeah, no. You want no cigarettes. I'm not going to hook up with any like.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Plague tried to talk to me about farming once. And it came. He's just telling me about others. This rich guy who was like four farms and then his tractor fell in a ditch and we all laughed. Like, okay. But to me, that's nostalgic. That's great.
Starting point is 00:05:39 I love finding out about these cultures that exist like. Some cultures. Some cultures that exist. Yeah. Like like the dating website for Only Farmers or. AzenAvenue.com. I can't get over that. Black Planet.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Or for Undertakers. Whatever. Dead Book. Or Dead Journal. Dead Journal. Dead Journal. Yeah. It's like.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Dead Book. Well, you know, for the goth, for goth people. Man, I'm just too surface for all of this stuff. God. I remember when Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. No. Zanga. No. Zanga. No.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. Zanga. I was like, you Zanga. Yeah. I'm sorry, I got you out. All of this is just making me think of that incredibly racist picture of the Muslim dating website.
Starting point is 00:06:33 And it's just pictures of Sub Zero and Scorpionist. Oh. It's not racist. Those are real. No. Some people may know. And that's why it was funny. Like the image macro joke is racist.
Starting point is 00:06:47 But that's an actual thing. I realize. I realize. God damn man. Anyway. What have you guys been up to? In general. You don't have to hide it.
Starting point is 00:06:59 We're done from the Christmas cast. We've had. We're recovering. We're all recovering. Right. And now we're in preparation for 2014. I had a Christmas and it happened. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:10 That's pretty much it. Yeah. I think we all kind of did. I had the biggest Christmas ever. Oh. Biggest ever. You seriously did though. I seriously did.
Starting point is 00:07:19 It beats all of the size of everyone else's Christmas. Yeah. My Christmas was small and disappointing. Yeah. Holiday cheer. They just hate us because our Christmas is bigger. Yeah. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:07:34 I went down to the country and did country things. Did you get those Cabela games? Fuck. No. Go back. Leave. I completely forgot. Leave.
Starting point is 00:07:46 We needed Cabela games for a reason. I know. Just cut to Liam hitchhiking down the road. They're just like sticking his thumb out. Yeah. No. I totally forgot that. That's all right.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Just spent, you know, shot the shit with my family. There you go. Once sledding. Now it's Christmas season. When you say shot the shit, did you actually shoot the shit? No. It's under the snow. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Because that's a possibility. I don't know how these things work. There was no shooting this far. No. We listened to Redneck Christmas carols though. That's not a joke. We had that CD in at my grandma's place every year. That seems like a CD that grandma would have.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it goes on right after the square dancing. Okay. That's also not a joke. Would there be any uncomfortable moments if I was around while the CD was playing? You got to think about that.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Yes. Yes, there would be. All right. For you and your family. Yeah. I just want to get this out of the way. If you guys don't eat these dessert cakes sitting here, I'm totally going to eat one of you.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Okay. You can go for it. Grab me off. I'm going to break off a piece of this dessert cake. I was going to work my way up to it. Whatever. You're still eating your soy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:49 You're eating your soy. Your soy lactose thing. You're eating your soy. Oh, I'm drinking this fake milk invented by hippies. This is so good. Because of bullshit. And I totally would have agreed until I tried it and it turned out to be this. It's the fake milk, milk by hippies.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Don't enjoy the thing. Don't enjoy it. Don't enjoy it. No. Snack it out of my hand. Stop liking the thing I don't like. How big was your Christmas? I hate you.
Starting point is 00:09:14 My Christmas is my family. They're usually very small. It's just my mom, my dad, and my sister and everything. But it's because we hate all our cousins. It's because all our cousins live in Toronto and I grew up hating them. Good. Not because they're bad people, but because all I would get for Christmas and birthdays is Toronto Raptors memorabilia.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Because they were like, we have a basketball team. What does Montreal have? The greatest hockey team of all time? No, but the Raptors shut up. Vince Carter. Right? Exactly. He's not even stupid.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Wow. Man, fuck your stupid cousins. Right anyway. Holy shit. I hate them too. In lieu of that. You can smell the Toronto. I can smell the dot.
Starting point is 00:09:55 You can smell the dot. I can smell the Scott Pilgrim on you. Even though it wasn't invented. Whatever. I went to my girlfriend's family's place for Christmas and this is, I wouldn't say a group, I would say a tribe of Italians of like their cousins, their second cousins, their boyfriends, their girlfriends, babies, whatever. And it was the most jam-packed, like they live in a giant mansion, but it was the most
Starting point is 00:10:21 jam-packed food every single second of the entire night. Eight course meal. Not eight courses, but just tons of hors d'oeuvres and entrees. And then like the actual things were like muscles and weird things I don't want to eat. I may be Matt McMussles, but I don't want to eat muscles. Were there feats of strength? There were almost, we all just tried to decide who was the guy with the most unbreakable back. I know it didn't work.
Starting point is 00:10:45 But really heated charades, angry blooded Italian charades where everyone's screaming, you can't change the rules motherfucker, you can't do that. And everyone cheats because girls play against boys, right? So girls think up movie names, give it to the boys, the boys try to act them out and vice versa. But everyone cheated. The night before, everyone went on Netflix and found the most bullshit, don't exist movies ever that no one's been on and my girlfriend was the biggest culprit of all. She would be like, the Europa report, it's a movie.
Starting point is 00:11:22 And then all the guys would be like, fuck you. It would just go on all night long. It was crazy. Did anyone break out brisk or scopa? No, just alcohol. Those are card games. Never mind. Oh great.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Brisk. I heard brisk. Yes. Well brisk going on. I flirted with the idea of apples to apples or cards against humanity, but no one was having it. This thing is 13 years running. There's a trophy, right? The new guy's not going to infiltrate with this new shitty game.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to go too far, but the first thing I had to do was the number 23, the Jim Carrey movie. I had to act out the number 23. You can't do numbers in this game. There's rules. I can't do 20 with my fingers or whatever. So I started doing this. What does that mean for the podcast, man?
Starting point is 00:12:14 Oh, okay. I started doing the hashtag. Oh, the hashtag handsome. The hashtag with your fingers. The hashtag handsome. Because it's also the number sign, but everyone was like, hashtag. I'm like, no, the number. Stupid Twitter.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Exactly. You should pretend to take a marker out and draw on your face because that's the post. You should have found that picture of Emma Stone that you had in your thing and started making out with it. That would have been a little far-reaching. Or you pretend to be like an amazing basketball player and then point at your chest. Ooh. Gotta think outside the box. Baller?
Starting point is 00:12:46 Michael Jordan. I don't get it. Anyway. No, but then I just, I got everyone to say number. If it's not Charles Barkley, I don't understand. Very limited knowledge of basketball. Horse players have numbers. But I got someone to say number and then I just pretended to madly read a book and then very slowly someone said the number 23.
Starting point is 00:13:07 And then I was accepted into the family. Oh, good. They don't have to kill you. They don't have to throw my, put me in concrete galashies. No, is that what you had to do to get the nod of approval? It was like from the guy's side. It's like if you do well at charades, because we have cousins that we hate because they suck at charades. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:24 So if you're good at charades, you're in. My approval getting into the family was rapping along to an Eminem song. It was what I had to do. That seems like a very, very weird. It's really, really weird because it turns out. That's really bizarre. Yeah. It turns out that the dad of the family really likes his Eminem and I was told this.
Starting point is 00:13:46 So he played the song and I was like, oh, I know this track. And he got really impressed that I knew the words. And I was like, holy shit, that's not what I was expecting. You should have asked you to do gorillas. Yeah. That's jarring. I've never been through anything like that. Totally.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Well, you didn't have a moment of like, how do you stack up? No, I just charm him to death. Okay. You tell them about Madoka. Yeah. You blow the sparkles their way. Exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:13 It's like dust. I'm trying to remember. What's the last time I met the family? That sounds awful. Okay. You know what? No, those have never gone well. One made me sleep out in a coyote-infested wilderness and a tent.
Starting point is 00:14:32 That's fucking awesome. I went to visit the family in the country and the dad says, he's not staying in the house. So he sleeps out in the yard in a tent. And then it's way out in the fucking eastern townships where there's coyotes and shit. And then the other one, all he had to say was how glad he was that I was white. That's a good impression. Which was like, oh, nice to meet you, sir. I'm shake.
Starting point is 00:15:02 I'm gonna go away now. And then the others I've met because of those experiences. Oh, all right. And Christmas was fine. Yeah. Nothing happened. Yeah, same here. Nothing happened.
Starting point is 00:15:19 I had dinner with my close relatives and it was boring. Though, with the time off on the break, though, I don't know about you guys, but I kind of just- Break? Well, not break. Right. I mean, you know, you know, there's a lot of us that have work and lies that we need to- No, I mean, like, I never take breaks. Oh, that just makes videos all day.
Starting point is 00:15:35 He never takes breaks, of course. That's why he's been playing Super Mario 3D World all day, every day, for like four days. Even on my vacations to New York, I don't take breaks. The hardest working man in the business. The hardest working man in this apartment. Yeah. Only, I could physically show you what my schedule looked like. Okay, well, you can't.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Anyway, you can just write it on a piece of paper. No, that works. I decided to, you know, play some fucking games. I also played tons of games. Did you guys play games? I think we all played video games. We played some games. We didn't play games last week because it was Christmas time.
Starting point is 00:16:09 That's not the time for games. But then we played a bunch of games. Then we played a bunch of games. Did we tell you about it? Yeah. Now, I have been introduced to the wonderful, amazing, amazing experience. That is papers, please. Yeah!
Starting point is 00:16:21 That's great. Fucking love that game to death. That game is the most fun I've had being miserable ever. Exactly. No, like everything that everyone says about it is perfectly accurate in that it's soulless. It is boring. It hurts you. It literally, like, it takes you inside.
Starting point is 00:16:41 It takes something from your soul. And it's the best. Like, the moment that it got me where it was like, okay, you are a border crossing. What do you call it? What do you call it? A border agent. A border agent. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:57 I count with a name. Immigration office. Immigration. You're the guy at the border who checks the documents. Right. And, like, the point where I was sitting there leaning on one arm, like, leaning on my cheek and just clicking with my hand on the mouse, checking shit for, like, 20 minutes, and then someone shows up without a passport and I'm like, why are you wasting my time?
Starting point is 00:17:19 And I was like, oh, fuck. Like, this is it. This is what it feels like. I never got too far on that because it reminded me way too much of my time in retail. Okay. Like, it was like, even though my job in retail did not even use a desk or anything, like, the procession and the frustration with people doing things in the wrong order. Not understanding it.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Yeah. Like, it made me feel like Friday night after I'd get off, like, at 12 hours it would go, fuck these fucking people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't deal with them. But here you have the backdrop of, like, basically, well, whatever, your fake land-to-stand style country. Astorca.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Astorca. Astorca. That's so fake. Astorca. And great glory to Astorca. Because everything you do is to, like, you want to stop the bad people from getting into your country. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:14 And your country is the worst. It's not good. It's not good. And everything is going to shit. And, like, you are basically just doing this so that your family doesn't die, because you don't get paid enough to heat the place, feed them, keep them from being sick, whatever. And, like, oh shit, oops, looks like you might need to be taking care of some other family members that aren't doing great either.
Starting point is 00:18:36 So now you've got more mouths to feed and everything is just falling apart. It's fantastic. And one time I did play for a couple hours, they all died by, like, the third day. Okay. They all died dysentery? Okay. Pretty much. Pretty much.
Starting point is 00:18:50 I'm making my way across. There's, like, 20 endings. I've gotten, like, four or five so far. I did the full month. How many days are in the full version? A month. So there is a full month. And to complete the story, it's 31 days.
Starting point is 00:19:00 I should play that one a day. Like a job. Sure. It's not, a day's not very long. If you like that game, you should play Cart Life. Okay. Cart Life is that. It looks similar to Papers Please in terms of, like, it's very retro, very, like, pixel-y.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Yeah. But not, like, 8-bit, like, retro platform or shit. And it is trying to instill the same kind of, like, this is a life experience feeling. The game will make you feel it, and you're not going to like it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. With new empathy for people in that situation.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Right. I mean, do you have an extra copy? It's a Steam game that costs $5. Oh, fine. No, I don't know. It's fine. I was thinking maybe you might have bought in the group pack or something. No, it's called Cart Life.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Sure. No problem. You can go download it for free off their website, I think. But you should just buy it. So there's, you mentioned that there was that gaff post that someone made. Oh, it was the best. Papers, please. It's like the worst game ever.
Starting point is 00:20:05 It's a horrible experience. I don't understand why people like it. I have never seen anyone be so right and wrong about why they're wrong. And I went back and I read it, and, like, it was amazing. Because, yeah, the dude was complaining about the fact that these are faces that just come in and go out. You don't make any connections with them. It's a drab, horrible world.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Your desk is too cramped. You can't move the papers around. You only see your family at the end of the day. I don't care about my family. They don't mean anything to you. They don't do anything. They're just mouths to feed. He's just going on.
Starting point is 00:20:38 This is awful. And this is why it's a bad game. This is why it's the best. Right? And then someone just writes in the third or fourth post, like, OP has experience that completely validates games existence. That has experience that completely reflects experience of being an actual Border Patrol thing.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Does not value the experience. It does not understand the value of the experience. And that is a bigger problem in that, like, let's take Wonderful 101 as an example. Why not? When we played it, we all went, yay, basically, as we were playing it. But video games could be more than yay. They can be. They, like, you know, when you watch Schindler's List, you don't go, wow, what a great movie.
Starting point is 00:21:26 I feel so good. Oh, but it was valuable to have that experience. Yes. And now as we're speaking about games that are things that can be yay, things can also be boo. Yeah. And the other thing I played over the break was Gone Home. I decided to see what the hubbub was about.
Starting point is 00:21:46 I hear people talking good things about that. A lot of people talk about Gone Home. It's getting on a lot of game of the year lists. It's indeed. It is. Have any of you checked out Gone Home? No, not yet. It's on my shortlist.
Starting point is 00:21:57 It's on your shortlist. Okay. So Gone Home is... We kind of played, like, a lot of similar games or in the shit storm. I guarantee that you haven't. Yeah, we kind of did. No, no, I guarantee that you haven't. There's some videos we didn't make that you didn't see.
Starting point is 00:22:14 No, but Gone Home... Okay, well, I'll take your word for it. Yeah. It's not even a remote-based game. The one thing that I know about Gone Home is that it blocks your expectations of what you think the game is. So here's the thing, right? You said there were some games that you played that were similar to this.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Yeah. Here's the reason why they weren't similar. They were games. Gone Home is not a game. Yeah. We're going here now? No, it's just... I'm straight up.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Here's the thing. So I played it and I thought that this is something that I would like to see more of. I want to see a new... Because it's a new sort of... Not new, but it's not new. Not new. Sorry. It is a medium that we don't see often in terms of, like, this is...
Starting point is 00:22:52 There's no gameplay here. It's just a narrative being presented to a person that can interact with it. Okay. Sure. Go on. Right. I think you mean you have similar things to say once he's done with this. And so what I would like to see is a world where there are experiences like this that
Starting point is 00:23:12 people that don't play games, that would have no interest in them whatsoever, can be like, yeah, I'll load up a virtual Hogwarts and walk around and read some virtual adventures about the Harry Potter War. Whatever. Whatever. Right? And you're like, this is not a video game player, but you just kind of... You're leading them in a little bit.
Starting point is 00:23:28 It's a thing that they are willing to sit and spend their time doing. Right. That being said, it's not a video game. Did you play Dear Esther? No. And I know that... That is the most not a video game. Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:43 That's what I meant. Why I loaded that up. Yeah. For the Shitstorm to see what was up. So this is... You're just literally walking around the environment... It's the environment. And counter gameplay.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Exactly. You're encountering story elements. It's a fancy screensaver. No, there is a plot and there is a story and there is... Well, now the one... Gone Home. Yeah. Gone Home has a series of events that unfold as you progress.
Starting point is 00:24:04 There is a middle, beginning and end. Okay. It's a fancy navigating and DVD menu. Well... It's a movie that they allowed you to direct yourself. You find... Exactly. And you have the story unveiled to you as you decide to go into this room or that room.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Yeah. Whatever. And like I said, I think there's a place for that in the future. So that people like perhaps your parents might be willing to play something that is like... No. Well... Not your parents. But the point I'm getting at is that there is a certain audience of people that would
Starting point is 00:24:38 again, never consider video games otherwise, that might consider... This thing should be at a place. It's funny that you mentioned that because ten years ago, my stepdad who doesn't play video games played a ton of point-and-click adventure games, which is all this is. Okay. But point-and-click adventures though, you can get stuck. Sure. You have to stop and figure things out.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Sometimes you have to have conversations. There's gameplay in point-and-click adventures. All I'm trying to say is there's a precedent for this. Sure. Yeah. Less. Less. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:25:13 I would find a visual novel to have like dramatically more gameplay than something like DRS or... Yeah. Just the ability to choose. There's a branch that you can actually follow in a visual novel. I would argue that's not gameplay. No. But in the same way you would say... Going back to DVD menu.
Starting point is 00:25:31 But in the same way... But you don't even... I think your adventure Goosebumps isn't gameplay. But in this you don't even have an alternate ending. Yeah, I know that. That's my point. It's like there's no variability. There's no interactivity.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Yeah. So... I think... And I think the reason why it's showing up on so many Game of the Year lists and what... Is it a good story? It's because of the subject matter. Okay. The subject matter is something that people would consider, you know, like...
Starting point is 00:25:59 Difficult or... Walking on it. Walking on it. It's a little bit touchy. But it like maybe a couple years ago. Not that much today. These days it wouldn't be good at touching. But it still hasn't been addressed by the people.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Well here's the thing. A game like... Without spoiling. A game like Dear Esther or Gone Home. Even though it's not really a game. If the... Like Dear Esther, I thought the narrative in the trip was interesting at least. So I didn't feel fucking robbed.
Starting point is 00:26:27 And also I bought it for $5. If I bought that game for $20, I would have been fucking pissed off. Now Gone Home, basically is it a good story? I feel like... Is it well written? Is it worth playing? Is it worth looking at? No, it's worth taking a look.
Starting point is 00:26:46 It's worth taking a look just to see this thing. There's a part of me that is kind of like while like... Again, there's people that this appeals to and I understand why it exists and stuff. There's another part of me that looks and goes, the story though in a way. It's almost like... You know how there's movies that are kind of like Oscar bait? Yeah. Oh yeah, it's like that.
Starting point is 00:27:07 It's kind of like that where it's like this is being touchy in a way that it wants recognition. Artificially touchy. Yeah. Try having an agenda. I don't... It's not... But it's not even that heavy. It's not even that heavy.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I don't want to say that. You know? Is the word like try hard? It's not applicable here. It's not try hard. It's not try hard. But it's just that you go through it and you're like, okay, that's a series of events that occur.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I see what happened here. That's interesting. I'm trying to make my thing deep. I feel like the writer was like, oh, by making this thing this way, the whole thing's super clever now. You've gone through it? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:49 And you know what the thing is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It makes it super clever now, but it doesn't. And it's... It's not going to end. It's just that again, it's the fact that you're touching on subject matter that doesn't often get touched on in this industry. Therefore, people are like, this type of thing needs to happen more and it needs to exist.
Starting point is 00:28:06 And that is true. It does. But that still doesn't stop it from kind of being like, but you want, like the recognition is kind of like, you picked it for that. You picked it to get that a little bit. Is it the video game equivalent of the smack my bitch up music video? No. No.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Do you remember that video? I remember. I do. I do. I do. The music video. She's doing, the person is doing all sorts of crazy stuff for the party and then at the end, oh no, it was a lady the whole time.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Oh. It looked like it was a guy doing misogynistic things and it turns out, oh. My expectations have been totally warped. No, not even that. It's not even like the old... Well, this doesn't even seem all that worth talking about. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you can't spoil it obviously, but this like, this reveal or thing is not even interesting?
Starting point is 00:28:59 No, it's just that it's... Without it, it wouldn't be worth playing the game. Basically, yes. I will say that. It's worth playing? Yeah. Yeah. But...
Starting point is 00:29:09 Without it, it wouldn't be worth playing the game and the only reason why, again, is because this is subject matter that is not touched on often. Yeah. That's it. It's all right. All right. If this were just a movie? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:21 No. It would be like what I just described to you before. You wouldn't... I saw Spring Breakers, which we were told was, it's way different and way better. And I watched it. It was like a two-hour fluff piece of nothing and no one. Yeah. And it felt like, why did you make this?
Starting point is 00:29:36 It looks pretty. You'd have... You wouldn't have much reason to go through it if it was just a movie or if it was just an essay, because there's tons of those things about this. But gaming is a young genre that has yet to branch out into so many different places. It doesn't actually use the medium well. Yeah. Or it tries to create a sort of hybrid experience.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Or charges, like if it was 20 bucks, like you said. But the thing about me is that, again, we play video games. We want games with gameplay. That's our thing. We enjoy the... I would go as far to say that all of us primarily for games enjoy mechanics. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Absolutely. And you will forgive that story. We won't. And totally. Yeah. It's a well-broad enough taste that a game like Shadow of the Colossus, which doesn't have the tightest controls or whatever, but it's going so nuts and so far that we love it anyway.
Starting point is 00:30:30 But more or less, I want a good gameplay system. But the thing is, is that when you look at... You go, again, movies are a medium, video games are a medium, books are a medium, right? For mediums to actually have large, spanning variations, that is, sorry, they need to have that in order to expand and to become further in perspective. Oh, I'm fully appreciative of the attempt. But they have just something great to actually make the set. So there's this thing that's happening in New York that my girlfriend wants to take
Starting point is 00:31:04 me to, the kind of thing. It's apparently, you go to this mansion and every room in the mansion has actors in there and you just walk through it and it's like you're in prohibition times and all the actors are telling a story. That sounds remarkably similar to the games you just described. Exactly. As you walk through, you can go any pathway you want to and as you arrive there, the actors that are there pretty much waiting, not waiting for your arrival, but when at 9.30, we're
Starting point is 00:31:30 going to do this scene. And if you happen to see it, you will see a part of the story. At the end, and they all clap and go, minute, oh. No, but you all pretty much come towards an end central area where it wraps up and the experience is completed. So you can have a real life version of this. Now that's not a stage play because you can interact in some sort of way, but it's expanding that idea into a different sort of art space, if you would.
Starting point is 00:31:55 So I'm like, there's a place for experimentation in video games and stuff. But yeah, what we're seeing here is just a different medium. It's more of a weird art piece than it is a game. Is this some sort of weird performance art piece? Did any of you guys play a video game that's a video game? Yeah. I was pleased with the video game, but after all of that art kerfuffle, shit. I literally played the two most video game video games and they're both indie games.
Starting point is 00:32:26 I played Ace's Wild, which I'm not sure you've heard of. Yeah, but I don't know what it is. It's a beat-em-up where you have a dedicated dash and parry button and you can do air combos. It's a beat-em-up mixed with bang-ioh. Yes. It's very cool. Parts of it bland, but it's very cool.
Starting point is 00:32:41 The character designs. It's sort of bland. The answer is bland, but the gameplay, plus the second level boss is a giant sheba. That bit's cool. But when you press start, it goes Ace's Wild. It's very sig-ar-kagan. It's very cool. I was enjoying that.
Starting point is 00:32:55 It was tough too, not a cakewalk. The other thing I played, I'm not sure you've heard about it, but I saw Gaff pop it up and it was like, what is this? Super Bro Force? Oh, yeah. That sounds awesome. What it was is that when they started, it was a metal slug type game in even Dominance Art style where you played as every 80s action hero, Mr. T, Terminator, Stallone, Steven
Starting point is 00:33:23 Seagal, whatever, and it looked like a really good metal slug. And when you get shot off, you see there's skulls and shit. You see there's skulls. It's like a lot of 2D love and work. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at the thread and they're like, all right, now we're in beta. You can buy our beta. Or not.
Starting point is 00:33:38 The beta was free. Early access. $5 beta. And then they're like, oh, but we had a big art style change and now it looks like every other pixel platformer. Great. God damn it. It still looks good, but I think the reason why is we were getting advice that we might
Starting point is 00:33:55 get sued because our metal slug style was they looked a lot like the actors. So now they're like, you can still tell that's the Stallone sprite, but his face is kind of blank. It looks like it's Super Time Force. Yeah. Okay. When the fuck is Super Time Force coming out? That is 2014 because guess what?
Starting point is 00:34:13 We were taking so long to make it at 360 and I know now it's 360 and Xbox one, but they said 2014. No PC release. I can't remember. Because of Microsoft. Eventually. Don't rush. Don't rush, Cappy.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Let them get it done. It should have been done. Let those giant rats do what they want. Plus we played it at E3 and it could have used a little work. It was still awesome. We played it for half an hour. We still couldn't play it. The EVO build seemed fine to me.
Starting point is 00:34:41 I played it at EVO and I think you're confusing like Polish with the inherent like nonsensicalness. Weird. Yeah. The mechanics are super. That's not going to change. If you're at the final, that's going to be like that. No. That's what the game is.
Starting point is 00:34:56 The game is Super Time Force. It's just that Heroes of Might and Magic was so much fun and straightforward that whatever. So I played those and like we mentioned before, a ton of Mario 3D World, which I was like, I can't stop. That game was really good. It was super good. So that was me. What about you, Liam?
Starting point is 00:35:13 I played Sorcery's Saga for like an hour and a half until like, it's a Vita RPG. Of course it is. Like Compile Heart. Is it only in Japan? No. It came out in North America, but it wasn't in Canada because it had no French. Of course. It's alright.
Starting point is 00:35:28 It's solid. I played it for an hour and a half before I realized I forgot my Vita charger in the city. So I ended up playing iOS games. That it dude. Boys that depressed it. That is the worst mistake. It's the worst.
Starting point is 00:35:39 It's the worst. Christmas is my birthday. It's actually ruined. It's actually ruined. Yeah. When you forget your game charger dude, fuck. Just do like me and don't go anywhere. I got to play 3D World and Wonderful and all of them with my cousins and stuff and that
Starting point is 00:35:54 was a lot of fun. Right. But for a while I was trying to play like Demon's Tribe, which is Sega's big iOS game and shit. I was trying to play a bunch of iOS games and people say, and people say Liam's never not making it. Yeah, people are never getting on your case for forever because you're never willing to shit on anything and then you just, wow that's shit.
Starting point is 00:36:14 One thing I'm willing to be negative about is all these iOS games that I see big publishers put money into and out comes this and I play Demon's Tribe and it's half loading, half trying to connect to a server, which half works for shit in the country and slow gameplay and missions that are like 3 minutes long talks. I'm going to imagine it was also overpriced. No, no, it's free to play. Really? Okay.
Starting point is 00:36:37 The only free to play, yeah this game is good, game that I've been like, yeah that's good is Puzzle and Dragons and I can't wait till Kantei Collection comes out, not in Japan and everything else, just man, all these free to play games, I just haven't seen good ones on iOS. I'm sure there are good ones but like, there's that Angry Birds. People seem to like that. That Angry Birds. Mostly not in Ancest.
Starting point is 00:36:57 We are in the Angry Birds kart racing game. I must understand. How about that? Angry Birds go. No, no, I'm not going to play kart racing. What about Angry Birds Star Wars on PlayStation 4 for 40 years? Oh, it's 60 on PlayStation 4? I'm not, it was $60 but it might only be 50 because it's 40 on PlayStation 4.
Starting point is 00:37:12 That's what I was going to say, it was like Angry Birds, I didn't know this but Angry Birds, there's a Star Wars thing, there's two. Yeah, there's Star Wars for a while. Star Wars is shilling. That was a big announcement. I'm so glad I'm ignorant of certain sections of the industry. Well the Star Wars company is shilling super hard now with Star Wars. The Disney Company.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Sorry. The Star Wars Company. Liam was right. That's $50 to buy the Angry Birds Star Wars on PS4 and Xbox One. Pro tip, don't buy it. Don't do that. That's gross. That's the only thing out for the system.
Starting point is 00:37:50 That game costs $0. The better version of that game costs $0. No, I guess the high point was my grandpa asking why the finale of Wonderful on On was so colorful. Wow, that's awesome. Why is this so colorful, kids? What did you answer him? Shut up, grandpa.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Get back in your grave. I just like, it's hard to answer to your grandpa, that kind of question, so I tried to answer it properly. Because it's wonderful. Well, I could say because it's wonderful, but he wouldn't get it because he doesn't know what it's called. And he'd be like, oh, that Liam has limited vocabulary. Like, no, I tried to answer it properly and be like, because it's this kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Because he's just getting it in. No, he didn't fall asleep. So he's not doing Euro time dodge combos? My grandpa, no. No, that's more my dad's. Disappointing. No, I didn't play any other video games, though. I tried to play Sonic, but I forgot my Wii U gamepad charger and it requires the Wii
Starting point is 00:38:46 U gamepad. Damn it. I know. I tried to play Sonic Lost World. Lost World. This is the Yoshi levels. Oh, right. They look cool.
Starting point is 00:38:54 I saw that it got staggeringly high reviews, considering, well, I forgot that it's free. The Yoshi things. Yeah. I was like, why are you getting like, it's one level. Like why would you get this one? Why review a free thing, though? Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:39:06 And I feel like, yeah, the other thing, I'll come back to it next episode, I think, but when I spend a bit more time with Gunpoint, I'm going to give it a go. Yeah, I got to get on Gunpoint. Yeah. Just spend some time and come back and give the... Very nifty game. Yeah. But so far...
Starting point is 00:39:22 Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking sick. But yeah. Yeah, I played Soul Sacrifice for four hours and forgot why I ever dropped in. Yeah. I had a similar experience with that. So over my holiday break, I only played two games.
Starting point is 00:39:37 I played Watch the Steam Sale, which everyone should always play, where you have to remember to wake up at certain hours so you don't miss the Flash Sale. How many did you miss? Two. Was the second game Vote? I don't remember. I don't know what the games I missed were. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Because I'm going to bed at 4.30 and then sleeping nine hours and entirely missing the entire fucking Flash Sale. Did you catch Guacamelee at 100% off? I thought it was 99.9% off. No, it was 100%. It was 100%. Was that a bug? It was a total bug.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Yes. Well, they got to honor it. Did you get it? No. Oh, I know. Did you get Left 4 Dead 2? You couldn't actually buy it. Left 4 Dead 2 is super free on purpose.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Oh, that wasn't a bug in the end? Yeah, no. It's still... I believe it's still free. It's still free? Did you get it? No. Get it.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Just click the button. It's fucking free. No, you saw it. It's free. I enjoyed it in 20 years. So I played the Steam Sale and then much like you, Liam, I picked up a game I haven't played in forever and was like, why did I stop playing this? Right.
Starting point is 00:40:42 And I got really crazy deep back in the Monster Hunter. That's healthy. No. So I'm at 100%. I'm at 155 hours now and I just made a high rank Bracadio set and an Azure Rathalos set. Did you just continue with your last save or cat power or starting over? No. You only get...
Starting point is 00:41:02 You make one character and then think of Diablo and that kind of progression, except instead of skills, it's 100% gear. So it's not 155 hours since you've restarted. You've just continued. Oh, I pressed save. Oh, I pressed save. And that's my save. I hope you know that any time you ever call someone nerd, like what you just said, invalidate.
Starting point is 00:41:21 So if we could just pull out the YAK back and whatever those sets were, so here's the YAK back. I would vividly remember actively mocking people for playing Monster Hunter. Went on the podcast with some other time. Linda! Okay. I would mock her ruthlessly for playing with the claw on PSP. Oh, on PSP, okay.
Starting point is 00:41:44 And I remember in Dead Rising 2, we both had a good laugh at the expense of people playing Monster Hunter. What are you saying? Yeah, at some point, some zombie bro just dies and goes, I'll just go back and play Monster Hunter. And we don't lost our shit. Also, I remember waiting in the theater for a movie to start and you took out your PSP and I'm like, so I'm trying this Monster Hunter, right?
Starting point is 00:42:07 And I go, yeah, how is it? And he goes, it's fucking shit. And then you just turn off your PSP and put it back in your bag. And for me to come around so hard, so hard. I'm dead certain I've never talked about it on a podcast, so I just want to point out that game's learning curve is the most fucked up thing ever. You need to play that game for about 15 hours before you even know if you like it. No, I agree.
Starting point is 00:42:36 That is fucked up. And for somebody's like- It's like one of those dumb animes that's a million episodes long. It's like, no, you gotta wait for the cool part. It is. But it's exactly like that. You gotta wait for the guy that showed him how to power up. It is cool.
Starting point is 00:42:50 All you're saying is facts. It is exactly the same as all those things where you said make it through the first season. Yeah. And then the second one is good. It is exactly that. Because the first season of Monster Hunter is death. The first season of Monster Hunter is the most frustrating bullshit ever.
Starting point is 00:43:06 And then you break on through and then hit the realization of either this is a game I've wanted since forever and didn't know that it existed, or wow, I wasted my fucking time. If you're still playing it. Yeah. No, it's like, if you get to it and you're like, I don't like what this game actually is. You've totally wasted your time. Does anyone remember Yahtzee?
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah. Neither do I. But when he reviewed Monster Hunter, like, Try, like the original on the Wii, he was like, I played it for eight hours. Fuck this game. It's awful. And everyone in the- So you gotta play it for like more than twice then.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Everyone in the comments will land that something like, you need to eight hours. There's nothing. You can get through nothing. And he's like, fuck all of you. The only- There are only- Which is a fair assessment after eight hours of gameplay in any other game. But not in a hundred hour game.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Yeah. It's way more than a hundred. If you know a game is a hundred plus hours going in- You can complete Monster Hunter. Yeah. Completing it implies getting all the G-rank sets, which would include like two thousand hours. Let's say-
Starting point is 00:44:07 I would say finishing every mission. You've killed every monster. Yeah, totally. I would say that's an end. Yeah. Sure. I would say that's an end quote. End plus.
Starting point is 00:44:15 How do I put this? But you don't really- The Monster Hunter- There's only a couple of games like that. The Monster Hunter has a single player in which it does give you a final boss. And then the final boss in the single player is halfway along the road to multiplayer. Okay. And in multiplayer there's a whole sequence of quests that are one rank higher.
Starting point is 00:44:35 But you're also- Which would not be harder. Exposed to play Monster Hunter online. Yeah. Well, here's the deal. You have the first two that you can play a single player, and then the G-rank set you have to do online. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:45 That content only exists online. Yeah. So it's eating my life, basically. How's that story? What? How's the plot? There's- Do you know what the fucking plot is?
Starting point is 00:44:56 Kill monsters. Yo, dude, there's a monster over there. You should kill it. To be fair, that's the fucking title. Do they actually just use the word monster? Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's no like like planetary lore.
Starting point is 00:45:09 No. Yeah. You saw a monster. Okay. You get exactly what you pay for. There's a bunch of items. It's a monster fluid. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Monster Brock. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. All right. Now, obviously, it's been like last time. You guys should try it. Sure. No, I'm done.
Starting point is 00:45:26 I have the demo of it. You guys should try it for 20 hours. I should try it for 20 hours. See if I like it. So last episode was a bit of a just this like, you know, laid back, goofing around and whatnot. You weren't really talking business. We weren't talking shop. We got to catch up a little bit in terms of all the Christmas news, all the Christmas
Starting point is 00:45:45 news and all that jazz. How many people got fired right after Christmas? But first, something that I don't know how we haven't talked about it on this podcast yet that I kind of just want to drop and pay mad respects to P4R Gaming. They're the best. It's so based. We mentioned very briefly, but I love these guys. Like between today, what we were talking about, and the article I read yesterday, like they
Starting point is 00:46:10 put on an article called Irrefutable Proof that the Japanese can't make good video games because they didn't win video game of the year. And they just, they have like this, this graphic of like the last of us and all the GTA, the big crowd in front of them. And then underneath them faded at like 20% opacity in the Mario 3D world. It's like Revengeance. It's so great. Revengeance made no hit way anywhere.
Starting point is 00:46:38 No one. Awesome. Not even soundtrack of the year. You know what did? Oh, I saw that. That was a bullshit. You know what did though? Devil might cry.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Shut up. Where did it get anything? It got farther and giant bombs thing than Revengeance. Wow. Giant Bomber hacks. There's some. Jeff. We have evidence.
Starting point is 00:46:57 We love giant bombs. Jeff fought for Revengeance. Good. Then Brad ruined everything like he always does. And Divekick too. Yeah. I gotta fix this. So what's the rest of that?
Starting point is 00:47:11 Divekick got ahead of Revengeance? No. I think he fought for that as well. Oh good. Divekick is better than Revengeance. That's all to be honest. I won't. That's not to be honest.
Starting point is 00:47:21 But like, you know. Let's just lie. And Liam and I were just talking about like some of the other articles that went up over the time around ever and like the one you sent me today was Alcada Purchases Bomberman IP from Konami to prevent the series from dying. Perfect. Well, I always liked. I said to you.
Starting point is 00:47:40 That PlayStation accused of creating characters for PlayStation All Star. Sony denies creating new characters to fill All Star's Battle Royale roster. And Sega's Crazy Taxi in real life. Yeah. Kill 6 after 11 year old drives. Like, it's such a good site. I really liked that first article because it reminds me and we all have like little bits of problems with it.
Starting point is 00:48:03 But Jim Sterling would put out these articles one week says why the 3DS is factually better than the Vita? Then next week, why is why the Vita is factually better than the 3DS? And it would just be people. Most people wouldn't get it. They're like, fuck you, man. Jim Sterling's top 10 shittiest games of the year is the most confusing thing I've seen in a long time.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Oh, no, Ken. Ken's Rage 2's on there. Oh, man. It's shit. But I have it too. The reasoning he puts as to why it's the one of the worst games in the area is because the first one was so good. And that the sequel is so disappointing.
Starting point is 00:48:41 To be fair, it actually is true. The first one's actually better though. It's like, come on. It's terrible. Anyway. But yeah, no. That's good stuff. My favorite part of the articles is when you post them on Facebook and nobody knows.
Starting point is 00:48:55 People think they're real. It's the best. No one knows. It's the onion effect. Yes. Yes. People are getting their news from P4R Gaming. If you want a really good look at the onion effect.
Starting point is 00:49:07 It's not for P4R Gaming, but it's only for the onion. You go to literallyunbelievable.com, which is snapshots of people's Facebook feeds. Right. They react to onion articles as if they were real. Yes. And the other thing relating to that in terms of just people reacting to shit that's unreal or whatever. There was this thing that happened, I guess it must have been three weeks ago, but we
Starting point is 00:49:32 wouldn't get into it. There was a Facebook group that was like Tea Party affiliated. That's correct. And they posted the really horrible Bioshock Infinite opening banner where you see it zooms and focuses on Washington where we must fight back the foreign wars. We got the China man and the drunk Irish. The Irish man. And they're all super caricaturized and horribly racist.
Starting point is 00:50:01 And they posted it unironically on their Facebook page. Like yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. This game knows what I'm talking about. They didn't know it was from a game. Someone had to at some point. It was just a picture that got posted.
Starting point is 00:50:16 The image was, I remember that image got released cleanly with no logos. Yeah. I don't know why they would do that. No, exactly. In the picture. Yeah, so that's the thing. It's a beautiful image of an awful thing. And congratulations.
Starting point is 00:50:29 You guys are on par with Sky Racists. Good job. Sky Racism. You can be racist as long as you're in the sky. Yeah. That's basically the entire plot of Bioshock Infinite. Sky Crimes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:45 Dude's on a trampoline jumping and exchanging drugs and money. If you're in the sky, it's not a crime. But why don't you just go out into international waters? It's way easier. Is it? Maybe? There's pirates out there. So then Eagle Heart has to get a jet pack and like fly around policing the skies.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Anyway, whatever. Other important news. Do we have actual news? We do have news. We do have news. That's nothing. Important fucking news. The Baz Knight cometh.
Starting point is 00:51:18 Yeah. That is kind of... This is news that has been announced. We did it. Zubatius. Mostly me. Oh, yeah. It's only you.
Starting point is 00:51:26 The guy that fucking hates supporting Kickstarter's extensions. Stupid. Why do you say that? I probably have supported four Kickstarter's. No, no. Overall, the new guys... I have not financially. More than him.
Starting point is 00:51:37 In terms of not financially. No, not financially. I'm not an idiot. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. Zubatius is a secret boss in Shovel Knight. He looks awesome.
Starting point is 00:51:48 He's not a secret anymore. But I was like, we didn't tell you how to find him. Exactly. Or what that's going to be. No, that's the kind of people that freak out. That's like, oh, you told me there's an ice level in Mario. I never said that kind. So like, to be fair, I'm that kind of crazy person where if I'm super hyped for a game,
Starting point is 00:52:07 I don't even want music spoilers. Yeah. When you put the character in the game, Wally. Exactly. So no, we just have artwork and it's glorious. It's really good. It's awesome. Fucking...
Starting point is 00:52:18 It's such a good redesign. Yacht Club, man. Ugh. So happy with that. I keep bugging them. Like, is your game going to come out before 2014? Because I have a slot ready in my top 10. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:52:30 I'm like, no, sorry. I'm like, shit. Well, you can push that conflict of interest till next year. Yeah. Nice. I love pushing conflicts of interest. We've got fucking Sonochino-Saname Zelda showing up. Dude, she looks so cool.
Starting point is 00:52:51 JoJo Zelda. This is going to be a little inside. We're going to need to back up. All right. It's a bit too far. Sorry. So Zelda re-confirmed the first match. Zelda re-confirmed obviously for Smash Brothers and she's in full JoJo's Bizarre Adventure style.
Starting point is 00:53:06 To be fair, there's only one screenshot. No, there's two too. Do you mean the one with the knights? No. The one with her stand? The one with her stand knight is the one that everybody's like, oh shit, there's a stand. But no, her main art is her doing the JoJo pose. I know.
Starting point is 00:53:22 I'm the one that posted all the things there. Exactly. So there's two pieces. Yeah. But it's unconfirmed that some people are saying maybe that I think that knight's in the Cystrovy. I think it's in the Cystrovy. But it still looks like a stand. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:33 I really liked it. Dude, I think it's in the Cystrovy. I really, really liked that it's Twilight Princess Zelda and Skyward Sword Link. Sure. But Twilight Princess Zelda has become the new default of Zelda. Well, she's the coolest looking Zelda ever. I do like there's a Skyward Sword. And Skyward Sword Zelda is too much of like a, just a coral.
Starting point is 00:53:53 I hoped instead of turning into Sheik, she turns into Midna. Yeah. That's really, that is weird. Yeah, it is confusing, isn't it? I like Skyward Sword Zelda, but admittedly Twilight Princess Zelda is the one that like is more of a fighter with magic and shit. For sure. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:54:09 I understand swords. Well, she, you fighter is a fucking boss fight. She's awesome. Is there going to be like a cloak version of her costume? That'd be sick. Oh man. Right? Is that the big super reveal for like, well, we couldn't put more characters, but we could
Starting point is 00:54:23 give everyone alternate costumes. And Zelda takes off the cloak and it's cranky. Cranky come. Thank you. Damn. I hope you weren't expecting anything. I hope they announced nothing. You fucking fuckers.
Starting point is 00:54:37 And we got news from like a couple of hours ago. Oh my God. New news. Hot off. Apparently some dudes. You mean yesterday? Yesterday. Correct.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Apparently some dudes hacked the Wii U gamepad to stream PC games. Totally. Yeah. Dudes playing Ocarina of Time on it. Yeah. So the embarrassing thing is that you get better emulation out of this hacked thing to play on your PC for Super Nintendo N64 GameCube games than you can get on the Wii U because the virtual console is a fucking shit.
Starting point is 00:55:15 And the resolution is just like. Oh yeah. You can do all sorts of crazy bullshit to GameCube games. So yeah they found a way to like, I think the word was like make the controller independent from the Wii U. Totally. Yeah. That's exactly it.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Yeah. Yeah. And that is interesting if it has applications that mean you could do this without destroying your shit. Of course. You could soft-taste this. I still wouldn't brisk it. But.
Starting point is 00:55:44 I don't know. I mean I have some uses for like having a second screen in my laptop. Sure. But you would have to get either a second gamepad or brisk potentially breaking yours. Well again, providing it's not a huge risk. Okay. Like the Zelda hacks and all those things back in the day. Like you just were even risky though.
Starting point is 00:56:03 You took the risk. I did. I did. You stupid nuts. Hey man, the idea of running like Dolphin games on the Wii U gamepad is hilarious to me. And I want to try it. The idea of running Dolphin games is an amazing period.
Starting point is 00:56:17 The Wii U should be a Dolphin platform. That's it. Yeah. I will eyeball this story carefully. The other thing going on is they got 151 Japanese devs. Who's they? This was sad. Fam.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Four Gamer.net. Four Gamer.net. This was sad. I don't like the story. Four Gamer.net got 151 Japanese devs. Oh as they do every year. To give their votes quote unquote. What are your game of the year?
Starting point is 00:56:44 What are your personal games of the year? Exactly. It wasn't sad. I thought it was just informative to me. I think it was sad because I think a lot of those aren't honest. Do you read the translated ones when they come out every year? No I don't. There's so much good shit in these things.
Starting point is 00:56:59 This year Tomonobu Yurigaki is like double thirds 80% done. It's coming out next year. Wow. He's alive? Yeah totally. He didn't melt. Sorry? He didn't melt.
Starting point is 00:57:09 No he didn't melt. He's fine. The shades are keeping him together. They keep him youthful. Don't take the shades off. Those are load bearing shades. He's taking the shades off. Aerosmith just shoots out of his eyes.
Starting point is 00:57:22 So what did these 100 and whatever Pokemon say? Well 14 people chimed in and 14 Japanese devs chimed in and said the last of us is their game of the year. You know that game's pretty good. Yep. 12 went for Grand Theft Auto V. 12 went for Dragon's Crown, 11 for a Realm Reborn and then we just go down into mobile games from there. What were the really interesting ones that I pointed out earlier?
Starting point is 00:57:49 What were the ones you pointed out earlier? Rezo Gun and Killer Instinct. Nice. Neither of which is out in Japan yet. Good. But these are developers. Killer Instinct in particular is the one where it's like that's not an Xbox on top of it and it's a super American one.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Where was it? Where was it? Where was like in the list roughly? One vote. Both of these were one vote. They were the odd ones. Yeah. I really like the obvious juxtaposition of tastes for the Japanese taste towards East
Starting point is 00:58:20 and West. For number one is Last of Us, which I don't think anyone would begrudge that list. And then number two is Dragon's Crab. Yeah. No, it's not. Number two is Grand Theft Auto V. Oh, fuck everything. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:58:33 Damn it. My whole point is ruined. I know. I know. Exactly. The point here is that there's actually beginning to accept Western games is like holy shit, that's good. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Hold on. And the other bit here is that Nintendo is fucking nowhere. They've completely shunned out Nintendo. Well, to developers. With the exception of, if you want to call it, Wonderful101, way down here with one vote. See, it's from Hideki Kamiya. No. No.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Sitting next to Plague Inc. and gone home. I can totally understand that because Nintendo games are not interesting in terms of game design because they're fun to play and they're polished to a mere sheen. But they're more or less like running on the same mechanics they invented 20 years ago that they've been iterating on. There hasn't been a weird super nuts Nintendo game that blew the, what's that? Pikmin. Pikmin?
Starting point is 00:59:33 And that was, let's say, in like 10 years. Okay, so why is Grand Theft Auto 5? How old is Pikmin? 10 years. Yeah, okay. So how much has Grand Theft Auto changed? Why is it number two? Well, I mean, obviously the reason number one and number two are the way they are is because
Starting point is 00:59:47 GTA V and The Last of Us are just so damn good and these people only got one vote. It wasn't like a lot of places here, like Kotaku, they did it. You got to pick three games and first one got four points, second one got two points. Oh jeez, fuck that. But that's what I'm saying. That's why those got first place and Nintendo's nowhere to be seen, because they just weren't as good as The Last of Us and GTA V. And remember, these are textiles.
Starting point is 01:00:10 And also, I would argue that in past years, like games like Last of Us and GTA V didn't even exist in the consciousness of many Japanese. So my first reaction goes like, how, like, it's like a game like Wonderful 101, it's like even if you're not into like the, you know, character action, like complexity and all that, like you should be able to still respect the craft and how well made it was and stuff like that. But then you realize, no, this is a few games and this is in Japan, but I mean, besides that these are humans too, like besides just how well it's made, they're voting on what
Starting point is 01:00:42 they like. Sure. But it's like, but it gets like one and Revengeance got two. Matt's looking pouty. We got to let him talk. Because I said like off the thing, I'm not sure if these are like a hundred percent really honest. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:54 What do you mean by that? What I mean by that is that like in the last like two or three years, like we hear from every Japanese developer, they're like, the Americans are just destroying us and we have to adapt. We have to do this. We have to like look at what they're doing or whatever. Like I don't know on like you guys, but I hear this at least once a month from some different Japanese development.
Starting point is 01:01:11 Usually in a fune, it comes up in a fune, I like to say it a lot and like I like when I saw that list, my first gut reaction is like, I just remembered something that's on this news list. Okay. I thought you were like you'll die when it comes up, but it's just like this, the sheer fact that like they're like, I just get this feeling that they're just like, well, we have to start letting the West know that we respect them and you know, these are individual people. I know there is not a collective of guys that got together.
Starting point is 01:01:45 I know that. I know that. But like, you've got to make the West feel good. Let's vote for the last of us. But no, no. And of course, I love the last of us is going to be in my top 10, but like I'm just saying like, I get this feeling that after all this time of Japan is going, we need to expand or our games are so insular, like it just strikes me as like they're, they want to like,
Starting point is 01:02:04 well, dude, hey guys, we're thinking about you. Sorry, I have to say that if you read this, not as a list with numbers next to them, but as 151 separate interviews, you wouldn't have had that because you would have had the guys feedback and his individual taste and reasons why I understood what the list was. So when you just kind of have a number, it might feel a bit more like an, like a sort of agenda is happening, but these are individual opinions. Hey man, we all love Japanese games, but there haven't been like that. Like the output of Japan has dropped calamitously in the past generation from the fucking front
Starting point is 01:02:41 runner where video games come from to like a territory like Eastern Europe, where gems like the Witcher come from, but most of it's kind of weird bullshit. How come 10 minutes ago we were saying it sucks that Revengeance didn't get anything? Well here, because it was like one of the best games of the year. Because it's lowest common denominator entertainment. Even if you go to Japan, they're still the same human beings we are, and I might know a dev or two or a lot whose favorite game this year was Battlefield 4. And I look at that and say, why the fuck would you pick Battlefield 4?
Starting point is 01:03:16 It's broken, it's not the best one, like why would you do that? It's just lowest common denominator entertainment. And as good as the last of us in GTA 5R, they're pretty lowest common denominator entertainment. That conversation that I had standing in the future shop trying to begin to comprehend how to explain to somebody that their opinion about Revengeance was wrong because they really just didn't understand. Like you don't have that conversation with GTA or Last of Us. Sure.
Starting point is 01:03:42 But when we're talking about Japanese developers, I kind of think that they wouldn't go for the lowest common denominator entertainment. They're still human, dude. And that's why I prefaced my 101 statement with like, I understand that they might not get all these intricacies that we are super attuned to, but they would at least respect part of the craft or something, but I was like, no, if you're telling them, pick one game, I guess. It's your favorite.
Starting point is 01:04:07 They just picked that one favorite and it's the big one. Again, when I see a list like that, it makes me think that maybe we're going to get even less Japanese style games. We are. Absolutely. That's what's going to happen. No, I'm not happy about this list. Yeah, no, I'm not.
Starting point is 01:04:23 That's kind of my point. No, I agree with you. You're going to get A, less Japanese games and B, less Japanese style games. And more Japanese games on mobile only released in Japan. That's why when you said, oh, here's this list, I go, oh man, I didn't like this list. It was poorly for my taste. You're going to get more quantum theories and what's the one with the demons tribe? What's the one with the jackpot?
Starting point is 01:04:46 Dark void? Well, that, to be fair, that was, well, it was funded by Japan. You're going to get more of that and those are going to go away and platinum will remain forever and Nintendo too. Platinum will remain forever on charity. And Sega Sammy. Quick, we have to save up money to hire Platinum. Sega Sammy's Pachinko Parlers will keep them alive forever.
Starting point is 01:05:09 From software, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? It's going to be A okay because you, because Capcom knows. God dammit. Capcom knows. I sent him this article like right before I noticed you were in the thread on that.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Going, what the fuck? Oh, shit. I had the third response and the second response going, what the fuck are they doing? Capcom knows the age of its fan base. What is the age of the resident evil people? Let me, let me. Well, you just said the Capcom fan base. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Are you different? I'm really upset. I'm really upset. Okay. This is the worst. So, yeah, in this, your annual sort of roundups and whatnot, Capcom had some news about a bunch of different things. Yeah, because they had the announcement, there's some fighting game related stuff too, we'll
Starting point is 01:06:01 get to later. But this is them saying the main resident evil fan base is in its 30s and 40s, says Capcom. Totally makes sense. Sure. Back when resident evil one came out in 96, if you were old enough to buy that and appreciate it, you'd be 30 or 40. I'm, and me and Matt are exceptions and that we played those games when we were way too
Starting point is 01:06:24 young to play those games. Yeah, they're awesome. And we're, you're 30 something, you're like 38 and I'm less than that. Not much though. Yeah. And there's the billion people who picked up RE4 and that was more like their first one. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Oh, well, there are a lot of RE4. No, no, RE4 starts at RE4. There are others. Yeah. I thought zero was the first one. Oh, God. That doesn't, that doesn't beat you guys as hard as it used to. No.
Starting point is 01:06:53 It's considering when Street Fighter starts at alpha two gold. Of course. Yeah. You think Castlevania starts at symphony or something wrong with this guy. Mega Man starts at soccer. So, so point one, the Resident Evil fan base is considerably older than the main game playing fan base. Which is not even all that accurate since like most people that bought RE4 and RE5 were
Starting point is 01:07:15 also new guys. Now, pray tell. Now that this data is announced, what do you think they'll do with it? So what you would think is they would say, let's stop catering our games towards 13 year olds with the dude's, dude's explosions, bro. Let's instead cater to this fan base who probably want slower pace, more survival horror games. What's Chris's partner called? Which one?
Starting point is 01:07:42 In Sheva. In Sheva. Piers. Piers. The Piers fans. But instead Capcom solution is that they're afraid that the Resident Evil fan base will grow out of video games, that they've been playing video games until they were 45. And when they turn 50, they will stop.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Yeah, that's the age you're supposed to stop. They will stop caring about Resident Evil. So they are going to target, they are going to redouble their efforts to target Resident Evil at young people ages 13 to 18. And they will help start the process. Who's going to help them? By helping do collaborations of Resident Evil and fashion magazines in Japan. One might say they're going to lame it out as if it were cross-tech.
Starting point is 01:08:27 Now, hearing this, they invented that shit. You don't think they're masters of lameing it out, waiting for you to get too old to care? This is the most transparent thing I've ever seen of they are actually throwing their existing audience under the bus. They're saying this audience literally doesn't matter to us anymore. Pat, when you sent that to me. In plain language. What did I respond to you?
Starting point is 01:08:54 I don't remember. I sent a single sentence. And it was time to stop caring and get on the evil within hype. Totally. Because it's done. To me, I don't interpret that that way. To me, I interpret it as we can't make these our main guys anymore. They're stupid, don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 01:09:11 But it's not you guys are worthless. It's you're not enough anymore. I need more in my life than just- No, I mean the idea is that they would be enough. But we're so afraid of losing you that we'll dump you first. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. And it makes- so you see this, and I'm like this is the worst thing ever, but then I
Starting point is 01:09:31 thought back and realized that this has been the thought inside of Capcom that I was able for a while. Like, must have been for years. Because I don't know if you remember how much weird attention to detail Leon's jacket got in R6. Yeah, I'm thinking that too. And how heavily promoted Leon's jacket was alongside the guy. It was a pre-order item.
Starting point is 01:09:52 $5,000 pre-order item. They pre-priced it recently. It's nice. They hyped the fuck out of that jacket alongside the guy. And when I was buying jackets from my saw not too long ago, I thought I want like Leon's jacket. It worked. Oh no.
Starting point is 01:10:08 The one that did. Yeah. God, so damn it. So oh my god. Now here's what I'm wondering, right? So here we have Capcom Bad Decision 101. Was this somehow like... Yes.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Exactly. And before you... No, you're right. It does. Before you continue and saying nicely into our previous topic, Capcom, people, developers have gone on record saying, we don't know what to do with RE7, but we're going to make it like the last of us. Yeah, I remember that.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Yeah. Like blatantly. They said we're going to make RE7 more like other popular games in the genre. And we're looking really closely at last of us. And there was a quote not too long or after that where it was just like they were talking to each other, like your revelations was kind of interesting and we were trying to experiment with that slower style, maybe that might, you know, whatever. And then to get this news is like the double like, fuck you.
Starting point is 01:11:07 It's amazing that so many things are going to be like, oh, we just want to do what the last of us did now. When really the last of us just told a fucking good story, well, hold on, and had really good and had some games to remember. Round breaking. They just did everything we knew. They just did it tight. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Like so suddenly, oh my God, guys, we need to make things the video game. Like the worst thing about the worst thing about last of us is that when your main characters can't swim. That's like the worst part. We have to innovate. They innovated good gameplay. Oh my God. Let me put it to you this way.
Starting point is 01:11:43 Remember when Call of Duty 4 came out and ruined shooters? Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. It was the best shooter in forever, but then it ruined shooters. Right. I remember how WoW came out and was amazing and it ruined MMOs, no one wants to be anything else.
Starting point is 01:12:00 Okay. Remember how Street Fighter came out and kind of ruined fighting games just a little bit? No, it created fighting games. Yeah. That's the one exception. It also ruined it. I'm stalling because I can't remember my third example. Oh, right.
Starting point is 01:12:12 Uncharted. Remember when Uncharted came out and now every fucking third person action game has to be Uncharted or Gears of War? Well, guess what? Here comes the era of Last of Us. Yeah. I don't think it'll be like as like Uncharted or bit it's like- No.
Starting point is 01:12:31 They're going to steal your game. Because Last of Us is a change on Uncharted where it's about scarcity and stealth. The era of- And violence. The era of stealth action games. That doesn't sound so bad. And you know what? But no.
Starting point is 01:12:45 With Call of Duty and the perk system and leveling up in a shooter, that didn't sound so bad either. In fact, it was awesome until you get to Battlefield 4 and I got to lock every fucking scope for every single gunfuck this. And it doesn't mean major changes for a lot of these guys. It means just making minor tweaks to their already existing gameplay, like minor crafting and picking up bottles and throwing them. Oh, you mean stuff that already existed in previous Resident Evil games?
Starting point is 01:13:11 That they just grew out? Because they didn't do it as good? It's- Or now it's- Hard frustrating. So a lot of things. No, the crafting thing. The question.
Starting point is 01:13:22 What did they get rid of the herbs? No, I'm talking about the ammo crafting in RE3. Yeah. Oh. Very specific. It was super in depth. So what I was going to ask was- Oh fuck.
Starting point is 01:13:31 Capcom. Goddamn. The idea, right, that a fan base gets old and a company then sees that data and panics but just goes, eh, eh. You know who's not old? Young people. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:13:48 So it's like, get on the boat, grandpa. Send you off down- Go to the grey havens. The timing for fjorns, right? And let's go talk to the new kids. Go to the elves with the undying land. Like basically, like are we going to see that like fear coming from other major companies? As we continue to get old because we can't fight aging?
Starting point is 01:14:11 Here's the thing. And the thing that's really, really bizarre and weird about it and that's that video games are less than 50 years old. Yeah. So as we know them. Yeah. The modern video game. 35 years.
Starting point is 01:14:24 Let's say the Atari. Let's start with the Atari, right? A bit more, yeah. The age group that they're talking about are the people who started playing games on the Atari. Yeah. And nobody knows that when you get to 80, you stop playing games. No one knows that.
Starting point is 01:14:39 Did 90 year old stop watching movies? Exactly. Exactly. It's the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest, dumbest shit. And it's so frustrating because it's like, do we stop having money and purchasing things that we like suddenly? But because the video games are still considered for kids and young people, young people, right? And the movies aren't, but-
Starting point is 01:15:00 Investors are afraid of uncertainty, sure. Which is the core of all of us. But as gamers, as a group age, like the stretch on how old people game is growing with us, because we're not going to stop. The only- You can't stop us. The only- You can't stop this validity here.
Starting point is 01:15:17 Thank you. Is that as people get older, they play less Twitch games. They play less, like, Icaruga or, you know, less care. We're going to play plus Icaruga when we're 50. I don't think we'll be as good at platinum games as you want. But we're not going to stop playing them if they're still alive. We will still play, but we won't be as good at them anymore. We might, like, want our more point-clicking, slower control.
Starting point is 01:15:43 Well, hey man, in the FGC, when you get your robot arms, we'll get there. In the FGC, they say that your peak is 19 and everything after that is downhill. Yeah. Yeah. The evidence fares that the fuck out, except for Alex Valle. Yeah. Yeah, no, but- He doesn't win anymore.
Starting point is 01:15:58 He's not at his peak! Yeah, he's not at his peak. He fucking took second place in K.I. the other day. That's because everyone else sucks! That's because it's K.I. But no, it's, yeah, and this revelation that- Like, Alex Valle's 80% I'm an old man shit is still better than fucking 95% of the people out there.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Of course. Of course. But no, it's frustrating that suddenly, not companies, but I want to really specifically target the data gatherers that work at these companies, the marketing groups, the people that actually put these figures together, are suddenly afraid of people getting old and they're not being interested in these things anymore. Hey man, Capcom has always been cutting the edge. I don't know when you guys get the impression of fear from this and not just like financial
Starting point is 01:16:41 security. What do you think financial security is the opposite of? It's not fear, that's- Yeah. No, that's certainty. Yes. And investors fear uncertainty. Okay, uncertainty.
Starting point is 01:16:51 No, but you get what I mean. Yeah, I get what you mean. I get what you mean. It's not fear. It's risk aversion. Yeah, exactly. But the risk aversion in this case pisses me off. Yeah, no, and it does be too.
Starting point is 01:17:02 Because it's bullshit. For sure. I just don't care whether it's risk aversion or financial security. You know what I hate? I hate risk aversion. Yeah. Let's all go have unprotected sex with hookers. I'm on a great way to end the podcast.
Starting point is 01:17:13 See you guys next week. No. I'll smoke it. Hey, you know what'll cheer you up about Capcom? Did you see the numbers for Geistcrusher? What's Geistcrusher? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Yeah. What's Geistcrusher and what numbers? What? What's Geistcrusher? The big new Monster Hunter thing for younger kids that they were trying. Take like the most generic super robot wars OG style main character with one glove and the lock of some kind of bullshit. Yeah, get it made like Treasure and make it a Monster Hunter game that's actually apparently
Starting point is 01:17:44 quite fun and you place nowhere on the charts. Well, because that shot was too much for kids. Dude, it's a lot simpler than Monster Hunter, but yeah, no sense. It's a weird UIP. It wasn't going to do anything. We were saying that like we'd like to think that Japanese kids are just getting tired of that Shonen style. That Shonen style, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:04 That style is just getting... It's not that it's tired. It's just not what kids these days like is what I'm saying. Right, sure. Whichever. Take your pick. They're all playing Puzzle on Dragon. They got too old.
Starting point is 01:18:14 But like what is the main character of Virtua Quest look like? A piece of shit. Okay. It's a kid with a psychiatrist with a blue bandana. Sure. That multiplied everywhere is hopefully on the down like decline because like... So that's the weirdest thing. You see stuff like that and it's like, well, they've done that for like fucking 15 years.
Starting point is 01:18:35 We've been stuck with that for forever. That's the total opposite. That's like year 2000. Now all the kids are into... It's 2014. Yeah. I see you. Ah, we're old.
Starting point is 01:18:52 Fuck time. Time sucks. Time lowers. That is my whole point. This is the opposite situation in which they're like, well, they're all going to grow out of it. So fuck changing it ever. You're like, oh, we're 15 years ago. Bullshit.
Starting point is 01:19:09 What he said is he spat his... Remember when you were graduating high school was almost 15 years ago? Closer to 10 but still. Nope. So kids don't look like the Shonen hero. They like Joel now. Well, no, they're all playing on their iPods. They're all playing on their iPods.
Starting point is 01:19:28 For serious, they're all playing on their iPods. Yeah. They're fucking depressing. The kids are playing on their iPads. Oh, it depresses me so much. Which makes it weirder because it means that your core video game market that plays games on consoles with controllers and on massive keyboard are 20 to 35. They're playing Kantei Collection, which had nine votes.
Starting point is 01:19:49 Candy Crush Saga, which had six votes. What? We're talking so much about Kantei Collection. And Line Pocopang, which had four votes. We don't even know what that one is though. Exactly, but I'm saying browser games from here on out. Browser games as far as the eye can see. Kantei Collection's good though.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Stop it. No, not bullshit. Bullshit. Did you see all the characters in that game? Liam? Go look up Shimakaze. No. Okay.
Starting point is 01:20:13 While we're on this Capcom train, there's some other Capcom news that might show you. Is it good? What? Is it about a fighting event that doesn't exist? They're already working on the sequel to Dual Destinies. Oh, that's rare. They're working on a new Ace Attorney game. They said they're working on a new Ace Attorney game.
Starting point is 01:20:29 Which, you know what? Now that you've moved it over to 3D, your goddamn better will should be. Yeah, you can do it much faster. That should take you seven months. And it's sold well and it'll be fun. You make the new character models and just drop the text. And that's the current Ace Attorney team. Shu Takumi, who directed Ace Attorney 1 to 3 and Ghost Trick, is also working on a new
Starting point is 01:20:51 game. They didn't say who it was, but he's like, and I think for Ace Attorney or something, we're going to reveal what our new game is when the weather warms, which is the most Japanese way of saying the second quarter. Which is... You wrote that in ink on a parchment. Which I still find, like, obscenely quick, too, considering when Dual Destiny's came out.
Starting point is 01:21:14 Well, like, do we need a new model for Phoenix? Do we need a new model? But why announce it in, like, less than a year? To make people not get scared. People are scared about Ace Attorney. When you're writing Ace Attorney... There's what? I haven't played this one yet.
Starting point is 01:21:28 Five cases, four cases? Four cases. Plus DLC cases. I imagine there's a ton that are left on the cutting board that are still, like, good. I imagine... You could probably turn that around. You know, maybe they want to, like, annualize it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:21:39 Which... I think they did that for the first three, when they came out on EBA. I just remember... Didn't sell, right? Didn't... Didn't Layton and... Didn't Phoenix Wright vs. Layton also get announced for the West? Yeah, months ago.
Starting point is 01:21:53 But yeah, it did. Yay! Early 2014, that's going to be good. Right alongside Bravely Default. I'm so excited for that. God damn it, Europe, you suck! I'm actually really excited for Bravely Default. For once, they got it early.
Starting point is 01:22:05 Yeah. With a shit figure. It's just like back in the days, when they used to get Metal Gear and Silent Hill games, like, super early. Wait, really? Super early? Yeah! Europe?
Starting point is 01:22:15 Yeah! I thought Europe would get... No, wait, it was just Silent Hill. It was just... Yeah, because Europe got so screwed on Metal Gear, that's why they put European... And that was the apology! They'd get Silent Hill games, like, two months early. They'd get all this shit.
Starting point is 01:22:26 I mean, it would be nice that, like, I could see if they had regular Phoenix Wright coming out again, and they could get some, you know, decent coin off of that. That'd be a good one for them. You don't want it to then become like, oh, part seven is out, and there's nothing going on. No, I mean, as long as the writing stays on that level of quality, keep doing it! I mean, the games that people say are bad, I still really enjoyed playing Phoenix Wright. Like, bad Phoenix Wright is still pretty good. Bad Phoenix Wright is still pizza.
Starting point is 01:22:52 Yeah. Totally. The thing about Bravely Default, since you mentioned it, is like, when I was reading the reviews of all the European versions, they struck me as so similar to the reviews of A Link Between Worlds, where it's like, yeah, does anyone remember Final Fantasy and how good it used to be? Holy shit! They'll all be me. This is the best RPG I've played in years.
Starting point is 01:23:14 That's why I'm so fucking excited. The only worry I have with Bravely Default is that I don't street pass ever. Ever. It's optional. I hope so. I hope so. How much is that going to impact your game? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:26 No, it's optional stuff. There's a town you can, like... Did you change it or was it a bit? It was always like that in the Japanese version. It was always like that in the Japanese version. Okay. Yeah. They probably mitigated it somewhat for the western release.
Starting point is 01:23:36 It's the same as All the Bravest. All the Bravest. Just fuck you. For the sequel. So no, they didn't mitigate anything. Oh, for the sequel. Fuck's the best that name. I knew Holy was going to be like, fuck that name, because anything that's...
Starting point is 01:23:48 That's the best name ever! But that's what I mean. It's such a good name. It's such a good name. It's a little guaranteed. I didn't even... I didn't even... When Final Fantasy All the Bravest was trademarked,
Starting point is 01:24:00 When Final Fantasy All the Bravest was trademarked, I'm like, that's it! We're getting bravely defaulted here, and it's called Final Fantasy All the Bravest here. But no, it was the biggest disappointment of last year. Of everything. Dude, I love hate those names. Like, I never want them to go away.
Starting point is 01:24:16 I want them to keep coming so I can keep hating them. What's the last blade to one, though? Oh, God. It's a poem. It impressed me. Really? Give me a minute to get to Wikipedia. I thought you knew it's too late.
Starting point is 01:24:29 You used to know the whole Fist of the North Star fighting game. Hokuto no Ken, Sindan no Soso. That was the one I was thinking about. Kengoura Suden. That game's awesome. Kengoura Suden. That was the one I was thinking about in the last game. Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 01:24:45 Fucking Just Cause 2 multiplayer is nuts! Have you seen this shit? Yeah. So these guys that are modders basically... This is a feel-good story. Yeah, these modders got together and said, Hey, Just Cause is cool. You know what'd be cooler?
Starting point is 01:25:02 Multiplayer. So let's do it. And then they did it and they showed it to... At lunch. At lunch was like... Not only is this the sickest shit we've ever seen, you pretty much have our blessing to go forward. Yeah, we'll add it to the Steam page.
Starting point is 01:25:20 We will totally show this off. Also, you're hired now. So they released a trailer for the first, I guess, public beta. It's bananas. And they show off 600 players running around on the island, playing together, like fucking skydiving, shooting jets at each other, going nuts. Having a war.
Starting point is 01:25:39 A war on an island. That is what I thought MMOs were in my head before I played MMOs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just chaos. Yeah. The one shot that always kills me in that trailer is all the guys in the jeeps coming around the corner
Starting point is 01:25:52 and after about 20 or like, yeah, that's everyone. And then they just keep fucking coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's like 60 jeeps. How come it seems like the games that really like, oh my god, that's such a good idea, multiplayer. They don't get multiplayer. And games that don't need multiplayer.
Starting point is 01:26:05 That's face. It gets multiplayer. Like, it's fucked up. I want to say because Just Cause was totally made for consoles as like one of the main pillars of the sales. No, I know. And so they really can't do that. No, they said in the interview, I think the guys said,
Starting point is 01:26:18 like, it's like, it's something we totally considered, but we just never had the ability to get done during the production cycle. I know. It sucks at the games that do get multiplayer ones no one wanted. It does. And so, yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:30 And then it gets even better because, so they basically came out and said, they're like, okay, so what's your fucking player cap? Like guys, how high does this go? And they're like, we think it goes up to a thousand. Right? We think it goes up to a thousand. Let's be clear.
Starting point is 01:26:46 This multiplayer is awesome and ridiculous, but it is also fucked up and broken. Super unstable. Unbelievable. Yeah. Like the reason why it's, I don't know how high it goes is because the servers just die. So they're like, we think it'll go up to a G
Starting point is 01:27:05 and they open it up, they let everybody in and they get up to 1,300. 1,300. And 1,300 people is where it capped out and just fucking died. That's awesome. And I think in Daisy, like if you get into it, like holy shit, you're going to have fun.
Starting point is 01:27:23 There's a new era of weirdly, gigantically huge online games that are not MMORPGs that is coming. And Daisy started it and this is pushing it forward and Rust as well would make it. No. No. Mag has a match.
Starting point is 01:27:42 Okay. I'm talking about, you go to the Minecraft model. Okay. There's the server. Yeah. And the server is a world, basically. Go to world. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:53 And the thing with this too is like, apparently some of the bugs that you get are like, things where they're just like, we're not going to fix this right now because who cares, but it just shows you how badly it's like stretching all the resources. The music, you hear like a note, like almost like once every 30 seconds or some shit.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Yeah. It just, the music is gone, basically. It's, I love the idea of like mods that go this far, where you just, you don't necessarily like change the original game around, you just throw in a whole new feature. Yeah. Fucking, if you care about Just Cause too,
Starting point is 01:28:27 take a look at that. Also going on, for once, they showed more than a minute's worth of footage of the Attack on Titan game, when they showed off the DLC. Well, I got, did you see any gameplay? Cause it is out. It has been out there.
Starting point is 01:28:44 Yes. Did you watch any like players? Does it look as cool as Freedom Wars does? No. No, it does not. They put out a trailer now, that's showing you the Levi and Sasha DLC. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:56 Sasha is going to be able to pull out a giant knife and fork and go on her little like, like bun hunting or put it, potato hunting. Potato hunting. Bun hunting is a totally different thing. That's what you do. And then you get Levi jumping around, doing his thing or whatever.
Starting point is 01:29:11 Being injured. Yeah. And I saw some parts of that, where I will say that like, there's the like, when you see them jumping from rooftop to rooftop, that looks kind of cool. Sure.
Starting point is 01:29:21 But then it gets into the gameplay and you're like, oh look, it's QTEs. I kind of like the freedom of control of zipping all over the place and all over the monster and just slashing them and cutting their arms off. Except that you're not controlling it. Maybe Freedom Wars is the one for me. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:29:36 Hmm. Let's all, let's all think that we're never going to get anything as in depth or as hard to control as that Attack on Titan Unity game. I pray. I pray. But Freedom Wars looks pretty close.
Starting point is 01:29:49 Yes. So do we just hire the Just Cause 2 multiplayer guys to mod Freedom Wars into Attack on Titan? Yes. Is this the solution? I don't think you're going to need to mod it. No. I have a really kick-start of the guy that
Starting point is 01:30:02 invented Spider-Man 2 last time. Oh yeah. Yeah. That guy. The game looked awful. Sure. Like visually. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:10 Why does he just do it? He should just do it. He should just do it though. For free. For all of us. Don't sell it. No, I just want reskinned Freedom Wars. It's all I'm asking for.
Starting point is 01:30:18 Just play Freedom Wars. Just play Freedom Wars. Freedom Wars really is your imagination. Freedom Wars really looks like the gateway drug to hunting action. It does. It looks great. Can't wait.
Starting point is 01:30:30 You look really pissed off because you like Freedom Wars. You look genuinely upset that you think a thing will cool. Think about it for this way. Let's say two games came out and there was a Bionic Commando game and then there was Grapple Man and Grapple Man was
Starting point is 01:30:50 better. Grapple Man was the one that played like Bionic Commando. Yeah. It's what Bionic Commando should have been. You gotta go where the mechanics are. Yeah. We just talked about how we hate mechanics.
Starting point is 01:31:01 I mean if you want you can play the Attack on Titan game. No. But you probably wouldn't be able to afford Freedom Wars then. Fucking Grapple Man. I like Grapple Man. I know.
Starting point is 01:31:13 We should push Grapple Man. Because Grapple Man is a symptomatic of like five different problems. The Bionic Commando shenanigans, the Spider-Man 2 shenanigans, the ongoing issues of getting a real Attack on Titan game. I love Grapple Man.
Starting point is 01:31:30 Guess what? Like all of these are the same gameplay. I love swinging. Why can't you give it to me in the method that I want? Because it's too hard for the common folk. It's pretty hard. I think I mentioned on the podcast how
Starting point is 01:31:44 they're making a new amazing Spider-Man game and they said now that we have the engine we're looking at Spider-Man 2 swinging mechanism. Please stop sending us poop in the mail. Fuck that guy though. We're not going to hire him back out. They probably don't need him.
Starting point is 01:32:01 We're going to be looking at his code and scrutinizing it very thoroughly. But fuck him. Wouldn't you if you were making a video game? Yeah you would. That dude sounds nuts. How about we send him an email because
Starting point is 01:32:11 he'd probably like very willingly come back and revisit that thing. Let's get him to make us do bad swinging. They're developing that in Canada. He's in like Los Angeles. It is baffling to me that we're going like how long has it been since Spider-Man 2 came out?
Starting point is 01:32:25 2002? It's like we're going on over a decade. Over a decade. Of swinging as a mechanic and like three games ever have gotten it correct. Yeah. And it's Biocom, the new one. The new Biocom.
Starting point is 01:32:42 It's the only good thing about that game and boy is it good. Yeah. The Spider-Man 2 and Biocomando re-arms. Yeah. Like for fuck's sake. It's such a cool ability for a character
Starting point is 01:32:55 to have. It's so goddamn hard to do. And you know what? I'll like halfway throw Lost Planet on that list. I was going to say. Lost Planet is pretty cool. I've seen the grappling in that and
Starting point is 01:33:05 that's some grappling. It's point-to-point grappling? Yeah it's still cool. Exactly. There's no swing involved but I ain't going to shit on it. Yeah. Remember when Lost Planet 3 almost
Starting point is 01:33:13 entirely got rid of that mechanic? God damn it. I saw Lost Planet 3 before. Talk about Lost Planet 3 around me. You know how I get. I saw Lost Planet 3 in store. Nobody bought it. I looked at the cover and I said I
Starting point is 01:33:24 don't remember this. And then right next to it I saw a copy of Remember Me. And you were like what's that? What's that? Just holding both of those games, having a mind melt. And then I basically was like didn't
Starting point is 01:33:36 Pat play this at E3? I sure did. Did it come out? Yeah I guess it did. I honestly couldn't believe it. Making a joke. It's just a frosted gun. It's just a frosted guy's beard is the
Starting point is 01:33:48 cover. It's just zoom up on his face and it took Lost Planet 3 and I'm like is this like one of those pre the game is coming out box arts? They just stuck some random fucking dude. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:34:00 Apparently he's one of the best parts of the game. Well that's awesome. Like he's written well or what? Yeah yeah apparently the writing is actually surprising in that game and that it's not trash at all. Lost Planet has had such a horrible
Starting point is 01:34:12 existence where it was created as a monster hunter for white people and then. Homage to Halo. And then it failed at that utterly and then it was created as a monster hunter with guns and it failed at that utterly.
Starting point is 01:34:27 Even though it was great. Even though it was great it still failed at it and then it was turned into Gears of War from Japan for white people. And then it was split in half. Remember it was split in half. One half became Lost Planet 3 and
Starting point is 01:34:41 the other one became EX Trooper. One went to the one that didn't sell and the serious one to the one that didn't sell also. They pulled a full metal panic on it. It divided it right out of party. We can't decide which one we like better. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Hey man PTX showed up in Tatsumoto. I can't wait for Dragon's Dogma 2 and 3 to go through the exact same process. 3 is going to have a sick Japanese one that's just like Berserk and nobody's going to buy it. Just fucking make a Berserk game. And you know what?
Starting point is 01:35:11 You should play Dragon's Dogma. We don't know anything about it. But fuck it. Deep Down is probably going that way too. But it's like wooly. But it's like wooly. I don't want to play Dragon's Dogma. Just have the Dragon's Dogma team
Starting point is 01:35:23 make Berserk. That gets all fair. It's really close. You can dress up as Griffith. It's so unfair. You get to put Kane and Razelle in Guardian of Light and enjoy that little
Starting point is 01:35:38 fan fiction world. It's pretty good. And we want to do that too. Me being a Legacy of Kane fan is so good for me. It's such a happy experience. Oh look. It's Nosgoth.
Starting point is 01:35:52 They can't put out any public publicity anymore because it gets fucking bombed like DMC got of every single person in the world going this looks like garbage. Even the comments that are like this looks good are falling by the statement
Starting point is 01:36:10 of like this looks pretty good. Why did you do this? They probably shouldn't have introduced it with a Sim developer talking to you. Probably should have just stuck to gameplay. They probably should have named it something else.
Starting point is 01:36:26 They should have named it Grappleman. You're really pushing this Grappleman to a lot. They should have just named it Vampire Wars. Blood Mask. Wait. That's a game that exists. Vampire Man. Which call did you vote for?
Starting point is 01:36:43 I forget. Mighty No. 9. Not the one that won. I voted for E. Call E. I voted for Call E. You wanted the other one. I forget which one you wanted.
Starting point is 01:36:56 When it came down to it, I went for Call E. You know, before that. Well, when it was the massive slide. I voted for E, but I'm still happy with F. It's been down to those three for a while. I voted for E as well.
Starting point is 01:37:09 F wins. It's fine. I can understand F winning. It's a more neutral design. She looks super baked. All the time. I love it. She looks so high.
Starting point is 01:37:21 What's going on? Robot Masters. What? As long as D didn't win, we can all live happily. Sure. But you know. Some of those were terrible.
Starting point is 01:37:31 I'm just deep. My only thing. My only thing. It looks so much like roll. That's really obviously roll. It's almost as if they like Mega Man. I know. And I know.
Starting point is 01:37:42 And I was kind of like, I'm like, look, Beck is not Mega Man. No. So I was kind of hoping we'd be able to be like, and Call is not roll. And the guys with the pylons on their heads are totally not mentors. You know what I'm getting.
Starting point is 01:37:57 Woolly. Mega Man. I know. Woolly, I get what you're saying, but you have to just admit it that Beck and Call and my number nine are just the alternate universe by necessity.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Mega Man. By necessity. And not by choice. You know what? The design is fine. You went through the wormhole and we're in the negative zone. We're in the bizarro Mega Man.
Starting point is 01:38:20 Yeah, we're in the bizarro world. And that's bizarro, Mega Man, and bizarro roll. It's literally like rock and roll, Beck and Call. No, I just, I give, I remember Beck and Call to Rock and Roll actually.
Starting point is 01:38:29 I give, but Rock Man sounds cool. It does. I give extra kudos to something that's like, you know, it's kind of like, all right, we're going to stand on our own a little bit.
Starting point is 01:38:37 Hey man, that's what happens when you let people know. And it's totally standing on if someone voted on shit. Absolutely. But yeah, I just think it's like, man, that's a heavy roll. So what you're saying is,
Starting point is 01:38:45 don't let people vote ever. No. No. But, you know, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's totally fine. For real, it's fine.
Starting point is 01:38:54 If there was a vote for Beck, I would have picked something different than what. I would have had less, I don't know, like coils on the arms. Less coils on the arms, and he looks like he's pissed.
Starting point is 01:39:04 The coils are there for a reason. I know. I love his colors. Nothing wrong with his colors. Blue and blue and blue. Like, no, and there's a little bit of yellow in there, whatever.
Starting point is 01:39:18 It's gray. He's a big green eye. He's a blue guy. He looks more angry by default. That is true. But no, I actually really like Beck's design. He's the blue exploder.
Starting point is 01:39:30 He's fine, but I kind of feel like a few tweaks I would have voted for that. He looks way better in the 3D mock-up show. We'll wait to see what he looks like with all his different powers that he gets from the
Starting point is 01:39:41 robot rulers. Well, all you have to do to really see how he's going to look is buy a copy of that memorable shit-action game that you don't know the name of. Yaiba.
Starting point is 01:39:56 Yaiba. Yaiba. Didn't know you were going with that. Yeah, it's got my Yaiba. He looks sick in Yaiba. He looks sick in Yaiba. Totally satisfied. He does know.
Starting point is 01:40:04 He looks so silly. It's great. Yeah, it looks great. Yaiba plus call. Wait, like, Rock. Beck looks great in Yaiba. He's so fucking silly.
Starting point is 01:40:13 I was hoping, I like to see a call version in Yaiba as well. Just to see it. I wonder if she'll be told to give a suck. Take a suck. Whatever. I forgot the offensive word.
Starting point is 01:40:28 There's none. Actually, it's just the implication that makes you feel bad. Next subject. The less said about Yaiba, the better. Okay, we all voted for either. Yes. Alright.
Starting point is 01:40:38 We're going to argue about Yaiba. Ad nauseam once Yaiba actually comes out. That's why we can't wait for that. I bet we will. I will argue about Yaiba. I've seen intense arguments about Yaiba. Yeah. Please be excited for episode 29.
Starting point is 01:40:52 Sure. Yeah. Expect killers dead to come up a lot during that argument. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyone like Half-Minute Hero? No.
Starting point is 01:41:02 Really? Actually, it's great. Okay. Just checking, because it's really good. Yeah. It's not about premature ejaculation. No. So they just announced the 100 turn hero.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Oh, what? Yeah. Oh, you didn't catch that? No. He's working on a sequel, but a new game. Gis will platform. Vita? He doesn't know.
Starting point is 01:41:23 No, he doesn't know. Sorry. He's got it. He's working on the drum roll. No. And actually, look. Liam, you clearly know. You should just say it.
Starting point is 01:41:31 Why don't you just say it? Smartphones. Uh-oh. But guess what? That usually then means that more people play it. Mock and fruzyism is only, like, for smartphones. When? Half-Minute Hero originally was just a PC thing.
Starting point is 01:41:43 No. No. PSP. PSP thing. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. PSP 360. Okay, everyone. Stop caring.
Starting point is 01:41:51 Go play Jakandia on PSP, which is a game that's just, like, similar to Half-Minute Hero, but it's different. Oh, that's a hero. PC's pretty good. It's also, like, 90 cents. Yeah. You might see this someday. No, never.
Starting point is 01:42:05 I deeply, deeply hope we do. It would be awesome. Yeah. So you have 100 turns to finish the mission. Cool. Yeah. Because no, like, I mean. Actions, rather.
Starting point is 01:42:16 It went from PSP to, like, PSP to the LA same stuff. Yeah, exactly. So, you know. I'm sure you don't have it down there, but I saw it announced today. The other thing was yesterday that the guy that made a gunman Clive announced, like, I had sold 275,000 copies worldwide. That's pretty good. The majority on the 3DS.
Starting point is 01:42:33 No, well, that was really old news when he first gave the numbers. Oh, no, but now. This was very recent. This is, like, that final number is, like, yesterday. Okay, okay. But he also, like, he didn't, I think I, because I think that game's cute and it's priced well. I enjoyed it. I'm not sure if you know, but he's, like, now working on my Zelda-style game.
Starting point is 01:42:53 Yeah. He's shown it a little bit. One piece of art, one piece of screen, it looks really interesting. It looks nice. The art design's a bit, you know, bland, or whatever. But you know, I'm looking forward to it, because the gunman Clive was really good. And 8's art design was really bland, too. It was.
Starting point is 01:43:07 It was bland, but it was charming. He also noted that, I think it was almost half, I can't remember if it was almost half or more than half, but, like, a significant, around 50% was from Japan on 3DS. Oh, really? Yeah, specifically. Ah, cool. Which was published by Arc System Works, I think. Wow.
Starting point is 01:43:22 Arc does a lot of localization. Yeah, sometimes they do. They did Nano Assault Neo. Oh, really? Yeah. They're in there. So, Steam Controllers. I won one!
Starting point is 01:43:31 God damn it! You certainly do. You can't get one. And you can't get one. But, fuck! Shut up. But you can check out, there's a channel where this guy got one, and he's just playing a bunch of different games, showing you camera on the controller, camera on gameplay.
Starting point is 01:43:45 That's incredibly useful. How he's going through the configurations and what it's like. I would have done that if I had one. You see his hand the entire time. It's pretty cool. Check it out on YouTube. His channel is Trial by Game. That's a good thing for a channel.
Starting point is 01:43:58 Yeah, Trial by Game. And he's just like, here's me playing StarCraft. Here's me playing fucking whatever. In fact, you just said StarCraft is incredibly impressive. Can I just ask real quick, I assume you watched one or two? Yeah. How did StarCraft and those kind of games hold up? As well as Could Be Expected?
Starting point is 01:44:14 Yeah. He's moving the cursor around with very little issue, little, very little problem. The clicks are on. He's got them set to the back triggers and macros everywhere, of course. But yeah, no. I think if you want to get more info on what the experience is going to be like, check out Trial by Game on YouTube. That's a fucking useful channel.
Starting point is 01:44:33 A couple of useful channels on YouTube. Into fighting games, unfortunately, some bummer news. A player known as EMP Remix, Nelson Reyes, has died. How? I don't know the circumstances. He has passed away. He played Marvel 2, he played Marvel 3. De-listing it killed him.
Starting point is 01:44:55 Dude was super duper sick at the game. And I remember watching him play one of the craziest Sentinels I had ever seen at a tournament once. Just kind of showing me, not me, but in person. I was watching one of his games and I saw his movement on the screen. And it was ridiculous. It was super dominant in terms of his control over the screen and stuff. He was a great guy, great player, and all around just a very good member of the FGC. It's a really tragic thing.
Starting point is 01:45:25 So I kind of just wanted to give a shout out there. And if any of you guys are part of the FGC as well and you kind of want to help, his grandmother is taking care of the funeral costs and there's a you-caring kind of fundraiser going on right now. I'll put a link to it where you can kind of help support the costs if that's something you'd like to reach out and do. But yeah, no, it's just a shame that, you know, really chill guy is kind of gone and that sucks. But yeah. That is bummer news.
Starting point is 01:45:56 It is, it is. Anyway. It's okay with that. They're there. Yeah. No. I mean, okay, what can you do? Capcom, also in the news that I was there last year,
Starting point is 01:46:11 earlier where they gave all that shitty news. That's hard to segue off of. Yeah. Okay. So what's up with Street Fighter? So they said they're going to be making forever. The audience is now younger. They're reducing it to a four button system for younger people.
Starting point is 01:46:26 That's a thing that's actually happened. And they're doing it again. Too close to home, Liam. Welcome to Marvel. The fourth button is X Factor. We are announcing our partnership with fashion magazines to give us insight into how Street Fighter 5 should be. Are you now wearing a leather coat?
Starting point is 01:46:46 Yeah. Which you can buy for $5,000. Unprecedented content and deal with Style Savvy. With Cosmo. They capcom to reaffirm their presence in the fighting genre next year. Obviously, part of that means Ultra is going to drop. But that implies more. Yes, it does.
Starting point is 01:47:09 Yes, it does. Otherwise, they would have just said... Watch it not. Oh, it's just going to be sick. Wouldn't it be great if we announced nothing? This came within an announcement of three things at the same time. So it did imply more, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:22 In particular, we know already that Ono is working on something. And that What's His Face Wants to Make? Rival Schools. Yeah. But that could really go for some more rivals. That doesn't mean it's going to happen, but he'd love to, I'm sure. I was thinking about that the other day. What's that?
Starting point is 01:47:38 Rival Schools. What about it? Is that it's awesome? Yeah, but if you came out with that, would they still be in high school? Yes. Who cares? Capcom, when it's Capcom, they don't fucking care. How many years has Eliza been pregnant?
Starting point is 01:47:52 She was pregnant for one game series, and then she gave birth. How many years in real time has Eliza been pregnant? The duration of Alpha. No. No. Way longer. And then the Super Turbo, I thought. Isn't she totally pregnant before Super Turbo?
Starting point is 01:48:09 No. Isn't she totally pregnant in some of the Street Fighter 4 storyline? No. No, no. Yeah, Mel's born. Absolutely. Because Mel is punching Sean in the nuts. No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:48:20 He's right. Street Fighter 4 ending. She's still pregnant. But Street Fighter 4 happens obviously before. Yeah. But that's my point. Anyway. She's been pregnant for 15 years.
Starting point is 01:48:30 Wait. What was that? How long has Sakura been in high school? How long have they been in high school for? Right. Sakura wears the gi. She's not in high school anymore. Okay, fine.
Starting point is 01:48:40 They can all wear it too and still not be in high school. They all got help back. Who gives a fucking shit? Who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? I want persona treatment. What, you want a new hat? Are all those characters?
Starting point is 01:48:51 No. You get a bunch of new cool guys that are students, and you get a bunch of alumni that are like middle school veterans. No way. That's what a small roster. Right? Not a roster like rival schools. Akihiko and Mitsuro.
Starting point is 01:49:05 Mitsuro are totally not students anymore. There's like 13 characters who are so full. Yeah, Teni's a veteran as an alumni. I really hate to be a downer, but it's not going to be rival schools. Probably not. I don't see why. It's going to be dark stalkers so dead. Like rival schools at least makes financial sense.
Starting point is 01:49:22 No, it doesn't. Why not? Because they weren't financial. How do you sell a game in Japan nowadays? You put schoolgirls in. Yeah. Hey, wait, hold on. Let me backtrack.
Starting point is 01:49:31 How do you sell blank in Japan? Doesn't matter. People will buy it. It's got Capcom on it. Everybody likes schoolgirls. Huge ginormous success. Guess what? What has the most popular heroes of all time in there?
Starting point is 01:49:44 It would probably have a bunch of new characters. Spider-Man, Avengers. Like Iron Man. Are you saying those aren't popular in North America? Yeah. No. I'm just joshing in. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:56 You're doing a good job. You're right. It could be anything. You don't know what that's going to be. I hope it's something completely new. Capcom fighting all stars. Yeah. If it's not rival schools, I want it to be a completely new fight against them.
Starting point is 01:50:07 A Turkish wrestling sim. I would love that. But it's not going to be. Well, the thing that Ono said before that was something about like a more real fighting series or something. A Turkish wrestling sim. Hakan's three stories. Oil wrestling.
Starting point is 01:50:19 Yeah. Sure. I'd go for some of that. No. Remember like, oh, you make a Hakan running game? Yeah. Right? He's sliding around.
Starting point is 01:50:29 So many Hakan games. We went over. Character action. Runner. It was a Hakan runner where he's sliding on his stomach. And you have to collect his daughters throughout the level. They're all getting all over the place. You guys never do any work at work.
Starting point is 01:50:43 No. You just think about Hakan games all day. That's why games come out broken. Thanks, idiots. Yeah. Hey, when you get your Hakan game, it'll be great. You won't hate it. We can die happy.
Starting point is 01:50:56 Imagine the job I don't have and not do the one I do. And the other weird thing that came out that I didn't talk about last time was Rock Paper Shotgun. Yeah. Made a really weird article. I didn't talk about this all the time. Oh, boy. I mentioned it to you.
Starting point is 01:51:12 Which article is this? They wrote this weird ass article that basically just shows that, I mean, otherwise there are usually a pretty good site. A lot of people like Rock Paper Shotgun. Yeah. Especially if you have a PC. They're funny and informed. And they write Ultra Street Fighter Ultra 4 Ultra.
Starting point is 01:51:29 And then they're just like making fun of the fact that Ultra Street Fighter 4 is coming out. Hey, here's the deal. Going, you know, like, oh, the latest entry in this garbled series is going to be Ultra. It evolves to the next level. The new Ultra OK KO system, online bathing, and new special moves. Like, I have an answer to this. Rock Paper Shotgun is a PC gaming website.
Starting point is 01:51:54 It's the, your alternate, it's like the destructoid of PC Gamer. Sure. For example. But it's way better than destructoid. Okay. Um, PC gamers don't have fighting games. Okay. They have never had fighting games.
Starting point is 01:52:08 Sure. There have been a fighting game here or there. But the Capcom release schedule of a fighting game doesn't exist on a PC. So that excuses the level of ignorance in this author's... It doesn't excuse it, but it does help to explain it. That is bullshit. But that's total bullshit. Because if you don't want to be a complete hack writer, you don't do this.
Starting point is 01:52:30 I'm not saying that they're not being complete hacks. I'm just explaining where this hackitude is coming from. I disagree. Because a lot of PC games have a lot of expansion. Thank you. The whole thing with shitty, stupid, like, dudes posting on forums, getting mad about Ultra coming out and other types of expansions to Street Fighter coming out. Are these people are console gamers that are not used to the idea of expansion packs
Starting point is 01:52:53 and things like that? If anything, PC gamers would be more attuned to the idea of Ultra coming out. Which is bullshit. Exactly. That's my point. It proves that they're hacks. I'm agreeing with you. Fuck your agreement.
Starting point is 01:53:07 You're agreeing angrily. You're just saying A is dumb. And I'm saying, well, B leads to A. And you're going, no, but A is dumb. Yes, it is dumb, Pat. But at the very least, does anyone have an explanation as to why it's not even funny or clever? Oh, because whoever wrote it isn't funny.
Starting point is 01:53:25 Oh, but it was tremendously funny to all the people who don't get it. Who didn't get it? Yeah, that's the danger humor. All the people. I just want to clarify this. We shit on Capcom all the time. We did it 20 minutes ago. We'll probably do it in another 20 minutes.
Starting point is 01:53:41 We'll get a question that says, how much does Capcom suck and just go off? When a new fighting game expansion like this comes out that has five new characters and a handful of whatever the fuck, that's probably what it's going to suck. That's totally the exact reason this article was created. Five new characters and whatever the fuck. But exactly. That is content that people are asking for, the new characters and stuff. The sentence missing here is that the fans demanded it.
Starting point is 01:54:10 The people that still play the game wanted this. Wooly. I know. Don't let the facts get in the way of your funny article. Well, yeah. Very well. You tell that, you let John Walker know. John Walker.
Starting point is 01:54:28 John Walker. Pack writer of the month. Unfortunately, so. He's probably fine, but he fucked up on this one. He was probably one of the ones who voted Fulbright Corporation as a company of the publisher of the year. Possibly. We can click on his name and find out.
Starting point is 01:54:44 No, don't do this. Nope. Not now. This is too personal. Not now. Not now. But yeah, fuck that shit. You're our games journalist.
Starting point is 01:54:52 You can, well. That's brutal. That's brutal. You just burst in the laughing saying the word games journalist. No, no, different ways to take that. We went from you getting like kind of hurt at me slamming game journalism three weeks ago to you just bursting out laughing at the mention of games journalism. Dude.
Starting point is 01:55:23 Context man. He wrote the own punchline. You wrote his own punchline. Yeah. He turned into his own camera shot and delivered the punchline. Hey guys. Hey guys. Hey guys.
Starting point is 01:55:34 Have you seen it? Yes, I have. Have you seen it? No, but have you seen it though? No, I haven't seen it. What is it? Okay, wait. I got to post more.
Starting point is 01:55:42 You guys got to see it. Guys, guys. We can't keep doing this. Like, it's like, yes, I get you're annoyed, but you sound like a bitch. Yeah. You sound like an annoying girl. You're right. You're right.
Starting point is 01:55:56 You're right. But will it make this point that someone likes to post some news on our Facebook? All you need to do is take your thumb and scroll down like. What? Like, everyone has a nice sound like such babies. Just roll that much. You guys sound like babies now. I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:56:10 I don't know, man. Like, having this discussion once, fine. You have it every week. You have it every week. It always happens. Where's the wolf among us? Where's the wolf among us? You're right.
Starting point is 01:56:23 Where's episode two of the wolf among us? Yeah, okay. No, it's fine. You're right. You're right. It's fine. I'll take the shit. But that being said, Kung Fu, it looks fucking awesome.
Starting point is 01:56:31 It looks great. Okay. I definitely think, like, we should back this. Yeah, I already did. I think I'd like to see more of this. What I've landed is the king. Now, that being said, though, there are some things. There are some concerns.
Starting point is 01:56:46 There are some things, right? I'll let you Matt give yours and I'll give my piece. I'm a huge fan of this type of stuff. I'm like, we all are. We're like blood dragging. Blood dragging. It's blood dragging the movie, basically. And samurai.
Starting point is 01:57:00 Streets of rain. Yeah. All these types of stuff. Do that headband. It's really great. That being said, I really, really prefer it when someone picks something and runs with it rather than do way, way, way, way, way too much in one sitting. So the Viking thing was unexpected because it's like, whoa, what, Vikings?
Starting point is 01:57:24 But then it turns out they're Scandinavian. So that's why that's happening. Yeah. It just has to do with where they're from. And that's not really what you're doing anymore, what you promised at the start of the trailer. I don't know. I love the Viking twist. It makes no sense.
Starting point is 01:57:38 I agree with Matt. That's my favorite part. It's like, it's like, it's what it is. They kick a police car with the skateboard. That was great. That was great. And here's where, I understand what you're kind of getting at. Like, there's not, there's no such thing as too far because the whole point is going
Starting point is 01:57:55 too far. Yeah. I'm confused. I don't know what a Suez Rath doesn't know how to do it properly. Yeah. It's a little bit of like, okay, like Hitler is like... Like that also I checked out. Now the Hitler one was too far.
Starting point is 01:58:09 That's what I'm saying, right? And like, yeah. And if you're going to do the Hitler joke, you do it like that's your whole thing. Slightly two on the nose. You don't go straight on the button. You back it off a bit. You do Nazi werewolf women of the SS. Or have Hitler be a surprise at the end.
Starting point is 01:58:23 Sure. Right? Robo-Hitler. Right? Because it's what, where do you go from there? Right? Kung, sorry, the Kung Fuhrer. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:32 That's the big, that's the punchline. Yeah. You know what I mean? The reason I'm not a huge fan of that is because I really appreciated the first couple minutes of the trailer where there was that razor focus on that vague 80s feeling. And I love that. Me too. And then the moment he appeared in Scandinavia, I was like, no, you lost me.
Starting point is 01:58:50 And then, and then Thor, and I was like, what? Like Thor, and then it was to Kung Fuhrer. The moment he goes to the Viking thing, I was like, oh, here's a neat gag. No, that's going to be the move one. Yeah. And I was like, oh. But that being said, when I saw the holy shit action, when he's kicking up the car, not even kicking up the car, like he's on top of the car shooting down at them.
Starting point is 01:59:13 That was awesome. That was fucking sick. And when he's on the rooftop doing that awesome, like beat him up character style pose, I'm like, okay, I would absolutely fun to see more of that. I think like Matt and my main concern is the film's a half hour long. How much of it's going to be Scandinavia and Hitler? And how much of it is going to be city blowing up shit, beat him up, awesome 80s stuff. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:59:38 He rides the specky. It's sick. He's riding a specky. I don't know if you caught that. Would you stop saying fucking specky? Well, never say the specky. You're not British. The British people appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:59:49 I don't care. So yeah, I expected some pieces yet. Shut up about the specky. Okay, grapple man. It's a piece of shit that people only care about because they didn't know any better. What mate? The specky, the state of it. Allow it.
Starting point is 02:00:08 Allow it. Yeah, no, like I really like the whole like start of the trailer, but like I at the very least I hope this is success and then they can make more things. If I get to see more of that ridiculously awesome action, you have my money. And I'm super, I'm totally backing that because I want more of that. The reason why like Blood Dragon was so consistent with its own universe, the new war, like the what it wanted to do in the one specific era. If they made more Blood Dragon but made it like a Scandinavian Viking thing or a werewolf
Starting point is 02:00:40 Nazi thing, that'd been awesome. It would have to be its own contained thing. But when you mix it too much, you lose sight of what you're trying to. The mix of all three in a half hour film is too much. If you pick any two of those elements, you're totally golden. See? Right. Reboots, T-Rex and Tank.
Starting point is 02:00:58 You're better. I don't know because I think the Hitler thing was a little too on the nose. But I really like the fact that it's totally manic and schizophrenic and all over the place. But the thing with that joke in particular, like we just said, nothing wrong with going with Nazis or the SS or something over the top like that, but you don't go straight to the furor. You make it the punchline. Sorry if you haven't seen it yet.
Starting point is 02:01:21 I agree with you, but I'm here a lot of Viking complaints or worries. Or it's like when I was super on board with the original and I was super on board with the dramatically weird change in tone. I love that weird shit. Okay. So the thing that you're all worried about is the thing I want more. Sure, yeah. But for an hour and a half movie that might work, but I don't see it working for 30 minutes.
Starting point is 02:01:48 I see it working more for a half an hour long thing. I want every scene to take place in a different movie. Fuck it, man. Again, like if they deliver that action, that's all I care about. Yeah, absolutely. Like for me, if you're going to go nonsense, I want it to be total nonsense. I want no cohesion. None.
Starting point is 02:02:08 I don't want it back to the future three. But back to the future two. Like I said, sometimes... Which is an hour and a half. As you rightfully said, sometimes you can be a little too on the nose. Yeah. Or sometimes you can just... Hitler almost always is.
Starting point is 02:02:23 Too on the nose, yeah. If you put Hitler in a thing, you may have gone a little too far. It was kind of the other thing. Hitler's wrath is right. That's basically... When Hitler was in his sir's wrath, that was really too much. Why'd they go there? That DLC was awful.
Starting point is 02:02:37 That was really weird in Dead Space when the moon turned out to be Hitler's. Dead Space. Hitler, why doesn't your moon face look like your fewer face? Okay, now we've gone to nonsense. We're now entering... Yeah, absolutely. That being said, I'm still going to watch it. Yeah, no, absolutely.
Starting point is 02:02:54 That trailer is fucking amazing. Are you not watching it with a fuck? I'm sure if I'm personally going to back it, but that trailer is my favorite thing of the new year. Who are you if you are North American and do not watch this film? Right. I bought Deadliest Prey on DVD from the director. It's still on its way though, I'm getting kind of worried. It was probably Deadly Prey's snail mail.
Starting point is 02:03:21 No, the DVD is just waiting in a tree. And I'm walking by it any day and I never see it. You got to earn it? Yeah, I got to earn it. Speaking of snail mail, it is letter time with emails. Speaking of regular mail, here's email. Yeah, here's email. You know what's fucking faster than snail mail?
Starting point is 02:03:44 Emails? All right, if you got a letter. Sure. And you got to send it to us. And you want it to get to us fast. Like super fast. Like the speed of light. Seconds.
Starting point is 02:03:57 You could send it to superbestfriendcast.com Now where is that light speed letter address again on the internet? Super bestfriendcast at gmail.com And then we might read your letters but not at light speed because that's hard. No, you wouldn't understand it. And plus you got to make them about hair so Willie will read them. Yeah, there you go. No, but if we read them about hair.
Starting point is 02:04:18 You got your hair thing for Christmas. I did. That hat's never coming off. But there right now. Oh, he took his hat off on the podcast. Turn the camera on quick. A lot of people ask that but you stupid just watch the fucking Pacific Rim video. No, did you hit the helmet on in that one?
Starting point is 02:04:39 No, we were playing with the action figures. We were talking to the camera and no one remembers that video. And that video had like 200,000 views. What the fuck? No dude, it's like everyone's like oh my god, I have no mouth and I'm a scream. It's the first video with no mat in it. And I'm like you fuckers forgot about attack on Titan. And everyone forgot about the other one we don't talk about.
Starting point is 02:05:00 What? Not only the only people didn't forget is YouTube's content ID system. Yeah, exactly. The other one we're really... Letters. Letter time. It was one mistake. It was a big mistake.
Starting point is 02:05:12 It was one huge ass mistake. It was like a baby. I've made a huge mistake. Remember when you had a baby and you were like oh, this was stupid. Can't just undo this. Oh, you can. Bunch of other valid criticisms but one big honking hole. Well, he wants the email.
Starting point is 02:05:29 Mimi wants to know. Simple question. For your machinima episodes, does Two Snacks come up with the intro himself or do you guys come up with the ideas and talk to him? Two Snacks like I think I would say 95% of the time comes up with things because like he's good enough to do that. Yeah, we'll say we need a thing and then he'll just do it and we'll go that's so good. I think sometimes when I just have an idea that pops my head like oh yeah, I'll just
Starting point is 02:05:55 tell him and he'll either do that or do it better. But yeah, he mostly does them by himself. He's a genius. He's a genius. Jake wants to know, hey Zybatsu, you said a lot of great things about the wonderful 101. It's wonderful and I'm picking it up. Before I start playing though, I wanted to ask you guys, which control scheme do you
Starting point is 02:06:13 think I should play with to get the optimum value out of the game? Pro controller. Okay. Game pad. I'm going to say game pad's fine. I wanted, I was originally like fuck this, let's go pro controller and then I dealt with it. Let me ask, let me just ask you a question.
Starting point is 02:06:30 Did you guys draw on the screen or did you still use the analog stick to draw the wonder line? I drew on the screen but I have also clocked like eight hours with the pro controller. It's just as good. It's fine. I would say I prefer the pro controller and you guys prefer the game pad. I would say whichever you feel more comfortable using. But I will say as to why I recommend the game pad more is because the dual screen
Starting point is 02:06:52 minigame things work better with it. Yeah they are. It's a big reason why I hated those sequences so much because I had to look over to my side to see that. I'm going to, I'm also exactly, I'm going to have to go and say game pad for the other reason being that like there's content you will miss if you do not have a picture going. If you don't have a picture going. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:11 Straight up. But I suppose between the two and Mara 3D world, I whatever is in my hand. Yeah. I was playing on the game pad and then I picked up my Wii U pro controller and I played it like, like, I have so few limitations. I spent the first half of the game drawing my shapes with my thumb stick and the second half drawing it with my finger. Well, basically use whichever one you want and if you're a crazy person like me who hates
Starting point is 02:07:33 the Wii U game pad then don't use it I guess. That thing sucks. Enjoy wonderful 101. Yeah. Which you will. Write back to us when you beat it. We'll never find the email. Never.
Starting point is 02:07:47 But we'll appreciate you sending it in. There you go. Nathan sends in what he considers a genuinely solid question. I don't believe him. What is a really great game that you've played but never completed? Oh, she's a billion. Like what he says your favorite like like a billion. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:06 Like the most recent. Yeah. That's applicable and I know I'm never going to beat it. This state of decay where I got about halfway through and then they introduced a heavy zombie type which is just bullet damage and it's the least fun fucking thing in the entire game and it totally takes you out of it and I don't want to play it anymore. For those exact same reasons I'm going to say Odin Sphere. Odin Sphere is a masterpiece until you hit the final stretch of the game.
Starting point is 02:08:33 It's a boss rush. It's called the Armageddon whatever. And what. Aragna Rock. You. Sorry, sorry, sorry. It's been fucking how many years? Ragnarok is so cool man.
Starting point is 02:08:43 Come on. It's been 15 years. It's been 15 years. Yeah. So you have you switched to all the characters and then at Ragnarok you have to go back to whatever item state you left them in and if you didn't have the right equipment to deal with these bosses again, you're done. And guess what?
Starting point is 02:08:59 I didn't. So it's over. Infinite space for me. I played like 15 hours into that. It is the. That game is fucking slow. It is the space odyssey of the generation and I'm fucking disappointed that I can't plod through it because it is also by Platinum to a degree.
Starting point is 02:09:14 It's the only miss in my head of Platinum. It's not even a miss. It's just so. They didn't even develop it. They solved it. Bad pacing. Yeah. It's a co-developing.
Starting point is 02:09:24 I'm pretty sure Compile Hard did it. Bad pacing is bad pacing. Yeah. It's unfortunate. It was everything else but that game's awesome. Yeah. It was either Compile Hard or Nude Maker. Like I'll shut up Nude Maker.
Starting point is 02:09:35 That's not real. You've never heard of that? No. That's real. Nude Maker. Damn it. God damn it. But they don't do what you'd expect.
Starting point is 02:09:44 Okay. For me Metal Gear Solid 3. I got to Vulcan and just kind of stopped. Whatever. That's a shame, man. But that's your favorite Metal Gear product. I know. I'm actually kidding.
Starting point is 02:09:52 Thank God. I wanted to see if Willie would flinch or his head would explode. No. That's clearly not true. The best part of the game comes right after that. Metroid is yet to come as it were. Metroid Prime 2 and I actually had no reason. No.
Starting point is 02:10:09 I actually had no reason. I didn't hit a slog where I was like what do I do or like I'm getting tired of this. I just stopped playing and I wound up selling it. I had a reason. It was Form 2 of Emperor Yng. You stopped playing because of Osmosis. You learned via I guess you and me. Pat and me.
Starting point is 02:10:29 No. No. I was playing it before I knew. No. I just gave back. I met you during Metroid Prime 2 when it first launched. You literally met playing the game. Yes.
Starting point is 02:10:43 Exactly. Multiplayer. You both reached for the controller and touched each other's hands. So romantic. Oh my. And then we're like what is this garbage multiplayer? Awesome. Into a kiss.
Starting point is 02:10:53 Okay. Anyhow that's enough of that. Wow true. Stop empowering the shippers. Yeah. Never stop empowering the shippers. And killer shippers. You're just mad because you're so often in them.
Starting point is 02:11:02 And killer shippers. Killer 7 is so long and so hard so I never beat it. The end of Metroid Prime 2 has the shittiest, dumbest, most ridiculous quest you've ever had. I had no problem with the Fests quest but the Emperor and boss fight kicked my ass so hard over and over and over. I couldn't believe it. I'm good at video games and that fucking boss fight is a nightmare and I've never heard
Starting point is 02:11:26 anyone else complain about it which makes me super confused. I heard of people complain about other bosses that I didn't have the boost ball guardian or whatever. Maybe I was just off for like five days in a row. Didn't. No I really don't remember having a problem with that. It was just the Fests quest that reminded me that was basically Wind Waker-esque in terms of like see, bullshit.
Starting point is 02:11:49 For me. But then stack the Metroid Prime 2 difficulty on top of that. See for me all those Fests quests and games like Metroid Prime 2, Metroid Prime 1 also has a similar one, Assassin's Creed 2 has one. Those never fuck with me because by the time the Fests quest gets to me, my horrible completionist nature, I already have 95% of the items. So they say go get the one item and I go okay. Yeah but Metroid Prime 1 and 2 you can't do it.
Starting point is 02:12:18 You couldn't. Yeah exactly. Metroid Prime 2's Fests quest was invisible items that you had to wait for a cryptic message to be described. That's weird. Metroid Prime 3 had a Fests quest where you could have done most of it and then had to do like maybe two more. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:34 Only because they realized. Which is great when you go to the guy that's like you need to go, oh shit. You have the stones. Well. You already have the legendary artifacts. Well done Tavus. Pat on the shoulder. The baby.
Starting point is 02:12:51 You brought back all 12 crystal babies. Never has that stupid joke been more applicable. Chris asks, this one's from Liam. Oh. Hi there. Wow. After making the mistake of purchasing Goddess for the PC, I found out that it was just a Facebook slash mobile Cal clicker game.
Starting point is 02:13:12 I realized that I got maulinued. Again, how can you continue to defend this hack job? He promised to change my life but all he was able to do was reaffirm my hatred of maulinued. Well he promised to change the life of the guy who won the Curiosity thing. That is true. Sorry about that. Technicality. For not winning.
Starting point is 02:13:29 I haven't played the game. It's early access so I say it later. It's only in early access so I'm not touching it until it's at 1.0. As far as it being a cow... I mean, I haven't played it. It looks like... Early reports suggest that it's maulinue again at his old tricks. Sure.
Starting point is 02:13:47 How do I defend him? I don't know. I'd like to play the game first and maybe I'll be able to... Defend him later. You know, like his games, as much as they're not what he promises, Fable was still a good game. Fable wanted to do it pretty good. Fable wanted to do it still really good.
Starting point is 02:14:01 Fable 3 has a really neat... He's a really good artist. Yeah. Fable 3 has that really neat idea of you becoming the king and that shitty thing. It's a shame it has the worst menu system of all time. Exactly. It's a shame the game is kind of bogged down by everything. Milo was a really fucking cool idea.
Starting point is 02:14:16 That I'm not convinced was ever real. Did you read the really long call of the whole thing? Really interesting. But just on Goddess, we don't know yet. I don't know yet. I looked at it and I'm like, oh, he made populace, he made black and white. He can do this genre. So I'm sorry if you didn't feel like it was validated.
Starting point is 02:14:33 You can send me your PayPal address and I'll give you a dollar. Don't do that. I won't give him a dollar. Don't send it. I buy that same token. I feel the same way about DayZ in that it's up on sale right now for Steam and Alpha. That's no textures. I don't know if anybody remembers what DayZ Alpha as the mod was like, but it was shit.
Starting point is 02:14:59 Don't climb the ladder, the server will crash. But in all seriousness, yeah, I guess I'll keep that in mind when I go to play it finally and I guess I'll make sure to talk about that when it comes out. Sure. Good for you, guy. Don B. That's cool. What's your favorite old TV show or series that aired before you were born?
Starting point is 02:15:24 Oh, that's easy. It's all in the family. Yeah, for you. You've always talked about that. And let's say, to make it interesting, like completed, completely started and ended before you were born. I didn't watch all of all of the family, only so it's pretty easy to just grab something from our target.
Starting point is 02:15:40 No, no, it started and finished before you were born. Oh, it's like something from before you were born. I only watched like four and a half seasons long ago. I remember really when I was a kid, I remember still really liking Adam West Batman, like a lot, like more than I should have. Even though even at that age, I was like, this is fucking bullshit. Yeah. But it's awesome.
Starting point is 02:16:01 But it's awesome. And like old first series, Doctor Who, like the one that you... Not first, but you probably mean like... Scarf. Scarf. Yeah, exactly. Because first is like... And you probably couldn't even get it.
Starting point is 02:16:16 You go back to the war to the ages. Oh. I'm not sure about when it finished, but Faulty Towers, which is... That's definitely before our time, yeah. Which I fucking love. It's hilarious. Okay. Very British.
Starting point is 02:16:30 You guys like them British? Well, let's continue that train, shall we? Why do I like British shows? Because my family's from Britain. Oh, I didn't know that. That explains why you sometimes pronounce words completely wrong. What, like Zebra? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:43 And why everyone's... I think that's a joke. And everyone says that we have no accents, but Liam gives it away the hardest every time. No, for me, I'm gonna kind of cheat, but Hitchhiker's Got to the Galaxy, 1978. The radio series. Not a TV show, but I... You have a TV show? I was going to...
Starting point is 02:17:02 I was going to... Then I'm going to list the book. I was really... No, it's a radio series. I was really worried that Liam was going to say re-vote. No. No, that's just wrong. I know.
Starting point is 02:17:15 When the question was coming up, I was thinking, when Willie was still reading it, I was like Gargoyles, and then he said, before you were born, and I'm like, Gargoyles? No. I kind of thought he was going to say, like, full house. Gargoyles was 94 to, like, 97. 97. You still know, then. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:33 I thought you were going to say, like, full house, or like... No. Something like that. Full house? That's just terrible. I had a good idea. I thought he was going to say it. But Uncle Jesse's hot.
Starting point is 02:17:42 Well, I know this. But it was tricky to even just come up with that one that I really do like. Wavewind asks. That's not their real name. Watch him show us his passport next time. That's he was... Jerry Wavewind. Well, your parents were a bunch of hippies, weren't they?
Starting point is 02:17:59 Northwest is a real, you know, that's a real person. Is your name really Tyran, Whisperwind? Yes. Yes. Wavewind asks, when you guys pick up a fighting game, new or old, what's your process for picking a meme? Grappler. Dad?
Starting point is 02:18:17 How cute they are. No. Bar and Ganondorf. Can I just expand online a little bit, play every character in training mode for a while? And you used to be, like, 99% of the time, there haven't been that many fighters that came out that recently. So it used to be go hang out with Willie and Matt and play Casuals for six hours. And then we'll all have it figured out.
Starting point is 02:18:43 Yeah, that. But usually I end up going for the heavy guy who's not ridiculously heavy or just pure... Well, I don't know. Because Hakan, I fucking love Hakan, Ganondorf, Ganondorf all day, but I would never pick Potemkin. Yeah. So I don't know. I guess I played them all.
Starting point is 02:19:00 Because I go chip in guilty gear. So just play all the characters. That's the opposite of that. Just play all the characters. I have a preferred archetype in terms of the aggressive rush down boxer type guy, whatever. But regardless of that, it's always just strictly aesthetics. I don't care. Like, with going on nothing, if I like the look of that character, I'm going to give
Starting point is 02:19:16 them a try. Even if you can't play Bronco well. With the exception of... Really? Really, Liam? Do we need to pop it in? Anyway, lose again. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:19:24 When's the last time you got a round on me, motherfucker? We've done that. I remember when Daniel kicked your ass all the time. Oh, yeah! That was great! Sounds like trouble and burdens. Oh my god. I've got to give people some content.
Starting point is 02:19:41 This motherfucker comes to my house. I don't know. He's like, we're running low on time to fuck it. I need to tell this stuff. I'm going to keep dragging the fuck back. I'm really sure. But this motherfucker comes to my house. He's a compulsive liar.
Starting point is 02:19:49 It was me, you, Daniel, and you were made to people of whatever, everyone, and you were made to people of whatever, everyone. Dude plays against me. He picks his bison. Dude's ass. I dust him like 15 to three years or something like that. Please, you and I, everyone in the room blew him away. Like, he had no place being there.
Starting point is 02:20:15 And then he gets up and he goes to talk to my roommate in the next room over. Down the hall. Down the hall. And he's like, oh man. With it clearly with an earshot. It's been a while since I've played Woolly in a fighting game, but man, he's really rusty. I'm so disappointed.
Starting point is 02:20:30 I really thought he'd be doing better, but I just destroyed him. And I can't believe he's so bad at Street Fighter. My roommate, like not only with an earshot, but like he can like lean his head out the door and see the score on the screen that says 15 to three, where like fucking Blanco wins doing the, like, graphic and just dude just mouthing off. And then I just said, okay, you know what, I'm enough for this guy. And then he died. Well, yeah.
Starting point is 02:20:59 Challenged him to a money match, which he never showed up to. Oh yeah. That was great. The end. You made a Facebook event was this guy is a shit. It was. It was. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:09 What's his name? Do this. Call him out like you mean. Do this a punk bitch. And his lies are full of shit. And now he's going to get me paid. And then he never showed up. He never showed up.
Starting point is 02:21:17 But yeah, basically. I invited everyone up. We all gravitate towards our archetypes so that usually like affects our first choice on the very first time. But then you play the whole roster and you'll play like for me, it's always like who like I love grapplers to death. But in Street Fighter 4 vanilla, I ended up playing boxer more than Zangief because vanilla boxer was crazy fun to play as.
Starting point is 02:21:43 Yeah. I think like I have a stubbornness to my character picks. Like I have the character loyalty, whatever you want to call it where it's like you struggle and struggle and struggle. It's called the anti Sanford Kelly strategy. Exactly. Don't pick a top tier. Pick who you're faithful to.
Starting point is 02:21:59 It's the Mike Ross strategy. He's like if you stay loyal to Honda, Honda will be loyal to you. Eventually you'll get a game in which Honda's good. Yeah, that's such my good nuts. Yeah, it's such. But like the idea is that it's the Japanese mentality. They barely if ever switch. When we got a third strike coming out where Corota was playing Q and making fools out
Starting point is 02:22:26 of the American players, like staying loyal to a character long enough and intensely enough often does play dividends. Like for me really quickly, like I just kind of go for like play through the roster, whoever has special moves I really like and whoever has like a personality that kind of clicks with like whatever. But then there's some characters that I hated as a kid. Then when I played them back in like he's awesome, like I hated Andy Bogard so much in every Fatal Fury and every King of Fighters.
Starting point is 02:22:53 You're totally right. I also hated Andy Bogard. And now Andy Bogard's fucking awesome. Same thing with like Jago in Killer Instinct and when I played Killer Instinct two like much later, I was like Jago's awesome. I think it's your tolerance for finesse went up as you got older. Like it's easy to appreciate Ryu and Terry and Kyoh when you're five. There's been quite a few times I can remember though, like not with the main games where
Starting point is 02:23:16 I'm like okay I've been playing like for a long time or whatever, where I just went straight on like this guy looks like a thing, I don't even know what he does and then you figure it out later and then you just make it work. The one that comes to mind for me is like K-dash. I had no idea what to expect off of like from that. K-dash is so fucking awesome. I didn't know what he was going to be but I'm like sure and he's weird when he first came out.
Starting point is 02:23:40 Oh yeah. Iron Trigger and shit. You're like what? This is not like Kyoh or Yuri. And then it was like fucking rocket. And then now it's like yeah man he's really good. If you and like back, I never really gotten a KOF before 11 but I knew that KOF existed and was awesome and I knew most of the characters but if you had told me that my favorite character
Starting point is 02:23:58 in all of King of Fighters was going to be Kula, I would have said we're nuts. That is insane. It's a little girl, weird, half-shodo combo mix-up character. I don't play those characters but Kula's awesome. Yeah. No, I mean like dude in KI like just looking at thunder makes me happy so I'm never going to switch no matter how bad it is. I said this to you that KI, the new one is the first game where I'm like this is my main.
Starting point is 02:24:25 I'm never going to switch. Okay. Till he gets nerfed next year. But yeah that's basically it man. Fighting games are cool. They are. Long live fighting games. Uh, okay.
Starting point is 02:24:41 This one I got to address it. Just read it. This is for read the question. Cody, yes. Oh yeah. Cody says a while back some of you guys said you didn't let Gundam or Gundam Seed or Gundam Seed Destiny. I know what this is.
Starting point is 02:24:54 Yeah and I've been marathoning a bunch of the series what was wrong with those two specifically Gundam Seed. Gundam Seed Destiny. I'm sorry. This is on you guys. Yeah, on me. No, it's on me. No, it's on you.
Starting point is 02:25:05 And I got to take a minute because Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny were, these are series that were like garbage in a way that it was part of what ruined me on anime. I fucking like loathe. That is huge. I saw like maybe 20 episodes when I was young and I was considerably younger than you guys. You were a little baggy man. I dropped it. I dropped it when it was on TV because it was a generic anime.
Starting point is 02:25:29 Okay. Yeah. Because I had seen Escaflowne and I had seen card captors and I knew it got better. And Escaflowne was good. Yeah. It was great. Um, no. This was during the era where I was just clicking on shit and watching it and, and like they
Starting point is 02:25:42 just going like, yeah, okay, this could be a thing. This could be, you know, and giving everything way too much of the benefit of the doubt. Especially considering like, you watched Wing, right? We all, you know, you knew what that shit was and then like, I had friends that introduced me to the UC stuff, which is the older original classics that were like, holy shit, that's solid. There was always a show, maybe not for Liam because you're so much younger that like maybe you didn't have that period in which anime sucks for like five years, ten years.
Starting point is 02:26:11 But I know the three of us, we all hit a point where there was a show that we just said fuck this entire medium. I am gone. I am done. And for me, I am really ashamed to admit it was Bleach. I watched hundreds of episodes of Bleach before I realized, dude, what the fuck am I doing? I can't believe you got, you went past the first filler arc. Like that's where it tapped out.
Starting point is 02:26:37 I didn't watch the filler arcs. I didn't watch the filler arcs. No, you did. If you went more than a hundred in because, uh, no, I skipped all the filler ones. Oh, okay. Okay. People talk about it. There are charts.
Starting point is 02:26:47 There are absolutely charts. So I'm going to get really specific with this zone out if you need to, but I need, if you don't care about whatever Gundam's seed or seed destiny, like, dude, one stock footage in both destiny and in seed are the worst. You can call these series Gundam stock footage and Gundam stock footage destiny if you need to because they had no fucking plan for what they were going to do. They barely, like they had their budget and they blew it all on voice actors. It's garbage.
Starting point is 02:27:15 It's well-known voice actors? Well, as well-known as you get when you're a, they got a whole bunch of different, like, top lists, say you voice actor guys to come in and like basically they're like, because we have all these top list voice actors, we don't need to write characters. We can just rely on the voice actors to cover our asses. Your main character, Kira, nothing he does makes sense. The only thing he wants to do is go, I want to protect my friends without killing people. Then he gets the ability to, he gets a suit that lets him do that at episode 34 out of
Starting point is 02:27:44 100 and then he spends the rest of the series doing nothing because he has nothing left. I feel like Wally can make Plinket Red Letter Media style reviews of this. Okay. He survives being blown up for no reason. Chapter one. Nothing happens. They don't explain how he survives, but he just comes back except for maybe he's the son of Christ and then he shows up and is like, I'm basically Jesus now.
Starting point is 02:28:05 The only thing I'm going to do is tell you you're all bad for going to war and stop you by going to war with more war. Him and Lux, the girl that he's with, basically end up running a military that is the Earth's army by the end of it. It makes no sense. It's completely stupid. The other main character, Atherin, that's supposed to be like his- Are you reading like a thing with your throat?
Starting point is 02:28:27 I made notes. I made notes to it. I'm sorry. This thing is absurd. I noticed he was scrolling down because too. Okay. Atherin has character development by the end of the first series and then they reset it because they don't know what to do with him.
Starting point is 02:28:40 So all the things he's learned by the first one become nothing by the end of the second one. He's talking about this all day at work. It was- Okay. His- Dude, you need to calm down. All right.
Starting point is 02:28:50 I don't- He needs to calm down. I don't put notes into my rage. I need to get this out there. I'm sorry. It's in me. Okay. This character, Kigali, is an awesome, super tough, like military leader.
Starting point is 02:29:03 She runs her own group of- I mean, people, whatever, no, we're fine. We're fine on time. Trust me. Right? She runs her own group. She runs her own group. She's scrolling back the big subjects again. Pat, you need to shut up about Blaster Hunter so that I can talk more about this anime
Starting point is 02:29:18 I don't like. Imagine if Tank Girl in the second series became a literal princess in a dress and the first or second episode, she gets kidnapped. Oh, you would hate that. And becomes a damsel in this house the rest of the show. Don't watch Sword Art Online. Okay. It's the worst of that.
Starting point is 02:29:35 The worst version of that I have ever seen in my life. The biggest disappointment. You go from strong and powered female character to literal tentacle attack. I can't fucking handle or deal with that. Designs were handled by Akatu and Okawara. These dudes, they're really, they're good guys that did a lot of great Gundam designs over the years, but whatever they did did not translate into animation well. You got flat, lame bullshit, and if you go compare their artwork or anything done by
Starting point is 02:30:04 Hajime Katoki at the time, you will see what real Gundam detailed artwork should look like. The real Gundam. It was garbage. Don't, don't keep talking. I'm fine. It's just your bad guys made no sense, they had no motivations. In the end, dude, just go watch Stargazer, alright? Unicorn.
Starting point is 02:30:21 But Stargazer is part of the seed world. It's three episodes, each episode is 15 minutes long. It takes 45 minutes to undo the garbage that a hundred episodes of Gundam see big of this one series called Stargazer. Okay. Okay, that's it. That's it. I'm, I'm tapping out.
Starting point is 02:30:37 I have so much more, but I'm tapping out. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This Gundam seed pisses me off to no end. Or you could, or you could watch something good like Cowboy Bebop, Fooly Cooly, Evangelion, Kill the Kill, Grinlogin, etc. Yeah. But if you're into Gundam, you're into Gundam for a reason.
Starting point is 02:30:51 So watch Code Geass. Is it actually pronounced like that? Did you just, it's, I don't know. Geass? Yeah. It's gay. Geass? Yes.
Starting point is 02:31:03 Okay. All right. Sure. Dad, you want to see my Geass? I'd love to see that. Oh, she killed him. Yeah. Whatever.
Starting point is 02:31:11 What's the next question? None. I'm done. You need to detox. Just, if you have rants you need to get off your chest, you're allowed to do them from time to time. Or if you want Wally to ranch at you. I'll, that's fine too.
Starting point is 02:31:30 But holy shit, if we hit a trigger topic, it's going to happen, all right? You had your, what was it, a second, like, you know, like you guys, oh man, that, what's the persona cue as taking the most bullshit way out of all its plot holes ever. They're saying that the way, the reason all the characters stay the same is because they have time traveled out of the middle of their respective games to do persona cue. Within the timeline of their game. And then they'll probably be memory-whiked and go back, like, oh, it's so gross. What are all these scars on my body?
Starting point is 02:32:10 It's basically a dream, man. Some of those characters should not be there. Should not be in another game ever again. Some of them, some of them might be holding the door closed. It's a dream. It's a dream, man. Liam, there's a character in Gundam that becomes a good guy that's a bad guy only because his toys weren't selling.
Starting point is 02:32:27 Really? In seed destiny? In seed, specifically. Diago, this guy. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Anyway, all right, what's, what's happening on the channel? I'm going to, I'm going to just shut up.
Starting point is 02:32:37 We're starting our Gundam seed, uh, destiny play through with Woolly. So Federation versus Zafter will be the first episode. We got more disaster. We got more yakuza. We have more. I have no mouth and I'm a scream. Benny! Benny, we, we, we will have completed Benny.
Starting point is 02:32:56 We completed Benny. Well, my next part. Yeah. It's off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, get ready. Eventually I have no mouth and I'm a scream will put me into a state of literal shock and be almost unable to speak.
Starting point is 02:33:08 I picked this game for a reason. I'm so glad I did. Wow. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Matt, who are you stalking this week? Uh, today I, I, I wish I was going to say Santa Claus, but no, but, um, I already kind
Starting point is 02:33:23 of like sort of have a stalking person that I already did last, not like the last podcast, but like, oh, I still be reviews. I'm going to do a little thing with them on their video podcast, always reaching out there doing a little bit for them, very, very small, but it's really fun. It's they, they do a little segment. It's the best name for, let's take a break and let's answer a question. Let's have a trivia question and it's called the ad break questionarium is just the best name for like, all right, let's just stop talking about rustling and let's, and the answer
Starting point is 02:33:57 is always a joke that you can never answer. So I'm just doing a little voiceover for that. That will be coming up like, you know, the last couple of weeks, but super cool guys. It's just like really random. Like, Hey, you know, well, on this podcast or whatever videos we do, if you mentioned someone, sometimes they hear and reach back to you and say, let's do a thing. I'm always calling them. Hey, if you're a cool guy and think that we're cool guys, you're a cool lady and you think
Starting point is 02:34:21 we're cool guys, or if you think we're cool ladies, it happens, we're the coolest ladies. Message us somehow. You're lucky. We can do a cool thing. You're lucky. I told you that they posted a comment on the page. Well, this is a, this is a different comment. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:34:37 Okay. Yeah. I just happened to notice it this time. So I hope lots and lots of cool guys talk to us during night fest. That would be pretty cool. Get some cool stuff going. Cool guys. Do cool stuff.
Starting point is 02:34:47 Hey, guys, you want to come over to do cool stuff and I'm going to tell her. Hey, Stamper, do you want to come over and just don't invite Stamper anywhere? Might to be cool. I am terrified of Stamper. What if he does it in real life? He's done live action videos and it's too real. It's too. It's still real to me.
Starting point is 02:35:10 Damn it. Stamper's still real to me. Stamper's not dead. When you find out Rebecca's a real person, what? That's not true. Okay. I just had like, what if you did find out? Yo.
Starting point is 02:35:28 You don't laugh too much, but during our walking dead episode of on Machinima, we were like, oh man, fuck Rebecca. And I went, I hate you, Rebecca. I didn't know how to respond. It was too good. Okay. Speaking of, that play through will be coming eventually. Eventually.
Starting point is 02:35:44 It's being delayed by shenanigans. Yes. Also, excuse me, for everyone who's asking, like, well, a couple people are like, oh, when's the best friend's game of the year? I think I'm going to go down. It wouldn't be the super on time top 10 if it were actually on time. Yeah. It'll probably be more on time than last year.
Starting point is 02:36:04 Yeah. Because we're having this discussion now instead of in March. Exactly. But in all seriousness, the year's not over yet. Yeah, it is not. December games need time to do. This gives us the time to get all the way as far as we need to in the future to beat the games.
Starting point is 02:36:24 Yeah. Exactly. They might actually get on the list. There's a couple of games I really want to put on my list. Shut up. But I am nowhere near beating them. I go behind the curtain like that. Don't go behind there.
Starting point is 02:36:38 This is bad things. This is bad things behind the curtain, guys. You're going to ruin the show forever. The magic is gone. Thanks for watching.

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