Castle Super Beast - SBFC 039: Buttered Poopers have a lot of Groundswell
Episode Date: May 6, 2014Better butter your butts! This week we're talking bout the Duty Calls of Warfare Advance, redundant Persona animes, old codgers banning arcades, and Zenimax trying to get back some of that VR money th...at they flushed down the toilet. Email questions to: superbestfriendcast-at-gmail-dot-com.
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Got a good mind share in the butts these days.
There's a lot of ground swell on butts lately, I find.
Of course.
A lot of ground swells.
What else would you be interested in?
Butts do well in the numbers.
When you put butts in your title, people tend to fall to it.
When you put butts on your title, you get butts in the seats.
Yeah.
There you go.
God damn it.
Anytime there's butts, it's a good time for everything.
Now you're thinking with butts.
No, that's not true.
There are tons of scenarios in which adding butts to it may get way worse.
Like what?
Like what?
Like dinner.
Which ones do you like?
Like dinner.
You don't want butts with your dinner.
Like 9 out of 10 doctors waiting rooms.
Fair enough.
The 10th is the proctologist waiting room, obviously.
That one's fine.
Is it?
Well, that's what it's all about.
It's unnecessary.
He's at least used to it, so.
Yeah.
Ugh.
Wow.
I want to work.
I want to be a doctor.
A doctor who 9 times out of 10 just has to pull the thing out.
Oh, God.
Every story about the things they find.
One in a million shot, Doc.
One in a million shots.
There's a way to believe how many screwdrivers were in there.
I slipped and fell and right in.
I just, I, hey, perfectly.
It's a lightbulb, sir.
Intent.
What?
I've got a toy train.
Cheese.
And a companying track.
But how?
It's a lot of hot wheels up there, Sarah.
You know what they say, lead in the way.
Episode 39.
I just got the most horrible image of that stupid crossfire hot wheels thing where they would
jump the track.
Going into a butt.
But it's jumping into a dude's butt.
Now I'm just thinking of Jackass3 where they have the train track and then there's a volcano.
And then it turns out it's not a volcano, it's just an ass.
Yeah.
And then it erupts.
I always hate when that happens.
Fucking Jackass, man.
Could be better.
Ugh.
Oh, you crazy kids that are like 40.
Yeah.
That was the moment in Jackass3, I think.
It all just broke for me where Johnny's in the ring with the bowl.
And Johnny gets his ass kicked by the bowl and then they're talking and he's like, oh,
I'm in a lot of pain.
And like you get to zoom in on his face in HD and Johnny looks old as hell.
He looks super old.
And now they're making videos about being a bad grandpa.
Yeah.
So they kind of learned.
Yeah, that's fair enough.
Which is an interesting way to like take that angle into like movie world.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, that's not bad.
That's kind of creative.
It's going to be really bad when we're all 40 and so playing video games like asshole.
Oh my god, dude.
Yeah, after playing video games past 29, there's something wrong with you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's really bad.
You're only being 80.
Yeah, I'm 28.
So yeah, I'll play video games forever, kids.
Yeah, never.
That's going to happen.
A lot of the big review sites that exist like GameSpot and IGN and stuff like that.
Or it's like staff that they've had on for since they started are getting to be fucking old now.
Dude, like fucking 10 years from now.
Dursman sits there.
Dursman's 38.
Dursman's 38.
I believe Dursman is 38.
They're still not moving.
35.
You know, the music's kind of okay, but it's a bit too fast.
Yeah, well.
I can't tell what that instrument was.
In the future, there will be no review.
So what happens when like Jim Sterling is like 65 years old?
Like think about it.
He'll die of high blood pressure.
Yes, yes, that's something.
But you know what?
Also, the industry is going to start finding ways to support the aging gamer.
Oh, geez.
Because they've found ways to support us now.
Early bird microtransactions.
Oh, yes.
Excel, Excel, Excel.
Oh, do you need DLC for goldbond medicated powder?
Oh, here we go.
That's what I'm saying.
I know.
What is that?
What's that mean?
I'm thinking of old people person stopping.
I'm kind of interested in seeing what old people games look like though.
Like brain age.
Is that just brain age?
Damn it.
It's brain age.
Damn.
Is that it though?
Is it just the same games but slower?
Yeah, I'm going to play my dad.
My dad played a bunch of the Wii sports stuff because he loves that shit, but at his speed.
Yeah.
Like once hockey games got too fast, like I couldn't play with my dad anymore when I was
a kid.
And you know, maybe just make a first person shooter.
It's just really, really slow.
No, it's a first person bird feeder.
Yeah, sure.
I was going to say, just mod DRS to have a gun.
Yeah, sure.
There you go.
That's awesome.
No one's dad holds record lap times in F-Zero GX.
Yeah, it's true.
We're going to suddenly feel way better about Metal Gear Solid 4.
Going to go back to that and then relate.
I think that's got a second life coming.
It's got a second life coming indeed.
What did you guys do with your not yet old weeks?
Those eagle eye viewers, or eagle ear viewers, whatever, saw my Twitter.
I was held hostage by eight females in my apartment.
Yeah, this happened.
This is the real thing, and if you saw something.
Okay.
Yeah, okay.
It goes nowhere.
Yeah.
You can't dorm and vege your own house, Matt.
It's not a dorm, though.
It was not, no matter how many togas you wear.
Oh God, is Matt starting a harem anime?
Yeah.
Is that where this is going?
When it comes down to that, none of us are cool or awesome enough to go, yeah.
Everyone backs down.
It's a fact of life.
So where is this going?
My girlfriend had over a bunch of friends for another girl's birthday party, and girls
love talking about their vaginas.
No way.
I did not know this except for forever.
Is it like a Tupperware party, but with vaginas?
No.
So tell us about the vaginas.
Vaginas in the Tupperware is what you're saying.
Yeah, a little bit.
Okay.
Keeps them fresh.
Yeah, sure.
I sent out tweets.
You gotta burp them, though.
I sent out tweets that sent stuff like, hey, there's eight girls in my apartment, what
do I do?
Please send help.
And I got lots of funny replies like, do a thousand push-ups.
Make a pillow for it.
Start talking about video games.
They'll surely like you.
Go stare out the window and just flex.
Oh, geez.
Not sure if you heard me flexing into over a thousand.
But it went well.
Zach and Jack were big hits.
All the girls liked Jack, my snake, which was, you know, that's actually my pet.
Yeah.
Jack, my snake.
That's not some sort of thing.
Wait, it's not your dick.
No, it's not surprisingly.
Okay.
Thought he was talking about his dick.
Yeah.
Wow, surprise.
That was really fun.
And that had an amazing week, actually, with my old friend, Spider-Man.
Yeah.
A friend that we met at Montreal Comic-Con that did us a drawing of Zubaz.
Yeah.
He was able to win super early tickets to Amazing Spider-Man 2.
And I went to go see it.
And it was pretty good.
If it didn't have what had happened at the end, it would have been a nothing movie.
Uh-huh.
It's ending this kind of what makes it, oh, okay.
Do you mean the, like, very, very end or, like, just before the very end?
Just before the very end.
Yeah.
I also saw that.
Yeah.
It was good.
I like that.
All I want to know is, is the sound effect for the snake really loud?
Anyway, no spoilers there.
Ah, yeah.
It's good.
But if that's there, all to watch it.
What is the thing?
It's like, this is Sony's entry now.
And they're all Sony's entries.
And what I mean is, but this is not a part of Marvel Phase 2.
It's just its own thing.
And X-Men Days of Future Past is going to be something as well.
God damn it.
How are they keeping up with Marvel films?
Well, like, in terms of dollars, this Amazing Spider-Man stuff is way, way behind Sam Raimi.
Like, they're kind of almost failures.
Shocking.
In comparison by, like, sheer money.
But probably also because people were, like...
A little tired.
Tired.
Like, they're making it again.
But this one did better than the first Amazing Spider-Man.
Yeah, absolutely.
It made, like, the first one started off with, like, $67 million.
This one did 98.
But these are all behind Captain America 2.
Yeah.
And Iron Man 3.
Okay.
And Avengers.
So they're, like...
But numbers aside, I was also wondering just quality-wise.
Yeah, it's better than Amazing, the first one.
It's definitely better than the first one.
There's, like, the thing that...
That's hype, right?
Yeah.
But the thing that is it that, for me, is that when I read Spider-Man comics, like, this
Spider-Man is funny.
He actually...
There's quick cuts where he's in a Fireman's outfit.
Okay.
Well, like...
It's wacky, which I actually like.
Here's a really answerable question.
Is it the best Spider-Man movie yet?
Because I like Spider-Man 1.
I actually don't like Spider-Man 2.
I think it's way too much.
Even?
Wow.
I think it's way too much in those with how loser Peter Parker has shown.
Remember all those scenes where he's carrying food and people are stealing things from him
and knocking him over and it's like, oh, I feel bad for Spider-Man.
I know what you mean, but Doc just fucking saved it for me.
And Spider-Man 3, the less said, the better.
Of course.
I'm gonna say, like, I think I liked the second one on par with the first one.
Yeah.
I think it's up there.
I don't know.
It doesn't have Bonesaw.
It does not have Bonesaw.
There's a lot more of the human element in it than most other superhero movies.
One thing I have to say, out of every superhero movie I've ever seen,
this amazing thing that they're going for, the new ones,
it has the best superhero-to-lady relationship.
Yeah, for sure.
The only one that I think holds any weight that you feel any sort of spark.
Stop being a superhero.
Yeah.
Like, the previous Spider-Man ones were no good.
Like, who cares who the fuck Batman loves?
No one cares.
No one cares.
It's a trove.
No one cares about who Bruce Banner loves.
No one cares about who Superman loves.
Bruce Banner completely forgot.
He even had a love interest.
It's supposed to be Betty Ross.
But all I know about Betty Ross is that she dated Freddie Prince Jr.
That's it.
Freddie Prince Jr.
Yeah.
And I played the game, which I think is also fine and good.
But like I said in my Spider-Man review, like, if Activision wants people to highly review these games,
give the developers enough time, enough money, and don't make them have to force a deadline.
No, it's the movie stuff.
Okay, what was the name of the studio of the publisher you mentioned there?
The movie's called Activision.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I just answered my own question.
Yeah.
Like, we've all been fooled by the rash of like comic book superhero games that came out
not alongside movies.
Licensed things that weren't alongside movies that we forgot.
But no, that shit's gonna come out the day the movie comes out.
Okay, do you guys remember that there was a Wolverine game that no one assumed would be any good
and it turned out to be really good?
It ended up being better than the movie was based on.
And the reason why they started developing it, not even knowing a movie existed and got to a beta,
and then said, hey, the movie's coming out now.
Turned into that.
Just changed the story of it.
Changed the loading text on one level.
Exactly.
That was still all right for sure.
Because it was a game before the fucking tie-in, you know?
I'm gonna go with Actacorp from now on, I think.
I like that.
Actacorp is gonna work.
Actacorp is gonna run with that.
Until they're the underdog again, in which case we'd be like, yeah, the underdog Activision.
Yeah, saving themselves from the Vendy.
Get on you.
How was your week, Pat?
Oh, it was fine.
I didn't do much.
I just...
Dark Souls 2 again.
Again.
Wow, congratulations.
Again, so much that when I went over to Pat's to record something, he had to double-click
on another PC game he just automatically clicked on Dark Souls 2 instead and went, what the
fuck?
Jeez.
Whoopsies.
Jeez.
But it's fine.
Did you beat it with the Covenant Champions on?
Oh, no, I didn't.
Oh, wow.
Because...
So...
Oh, it's another vanilla playthrough.
No, I did a different build.
I did a faith build.
Okay.
That's quite hilariously different and easy in some sections.
Although, fuck the Ancient Dragon.
The Ancient Dragon's fucking bullshit.
Anybody who's played that game and fought that boss, that boss is complete horse shit.
This is the one you were telling me about.
This is the one I was telling you about.
Yeah, it seems like this.
A boss that just instantly kills you if it touches you and can do area of effect attacks
that attack the entire arena.
Wow.
Okay.
And it's an optional boss.
And he's gargantuan.
It's an optional boss that is just complete horse shit.
Optional.
Yeah.
Okay.
And the only way to really get him is to cheese him out by abusing some mechanics
that I'm not sure were intended to be used for his boss fights.
I really hope you get some ridiculous fat soul loot.
You get a thing from him that lets you get another thing.
That's super sick.
That's pretty sick.
Okay.
Basically, it lets you fight a different optional boss that would otherwise be borderline impossible as well.
But it's just like the run to him is this horrible gauntlet of super tough enemies
until you find out that you should just run past them.
Well, yes.
Exactly.
That's how 80% of areas are.
That seems to be it though.
There's places where you're like, no, there's no shortcut to the boss.
You now you know what's there.
Just fucking sprint.
Yeah, absolutely.
Like, sometimes they clip you and you just die because they're strong enough.
And then you zone in, fight him for maybe 10 seconds, 15 seconds.
Die.
He does the wrong fire breath attack and you're in the wrong spot and you just die.
It's such a fucking mess.
You're saying how in other games they have optional bosses but they're designed one.
They're designed like bosses.
And there's an optional boss in this game.
Both the other optional bosses are designed like bosses.
This is designed as some kind of impossible challenge that only psychos would get.
But you need to do it to get a thing that you want.
Maybe it'll be easier to deal with them when you can shoot them with the gun and beasts.
Maybe it'll be easier when you can shoot them with the gun and beast souls.
Or whatever that means.
That might be a thing.
Maybe it will.
You're really jumping the gun there.
That might be a thing.
Yeah, that was pretty much my whole week.
I just got a lot of dark souls.
That's pretty good.
I'm going to start a new game plus today.
Congrats.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Did you beat it?
No, not yet.
I'm only just getting back to it because I suddenly have more time.
Oh, yeah.
Suddenly.
So yeah, Spider-Man 2.
I saw that.
That was a good film.
I quite liked it.
You saw the first one?
Yes.
Amazing.
I assume you also thought this one was better?
Yeah, without a doubt.
I don't really know why so many people are hating on it.
I guess so because the only real problem with it is that it's dialogue is very almost written
for kids.
A lot of people don't like Andrew Garfield.
I just waved it and told people why.
I don't care what anyone says.
I think he's just as good.
I have no problems with him at all, but I see a lot of people saying, wow, he looks like
fucked up.
My main problem with it is turning Spider-Man into the fucking chosen one.
Well, that's the thing.
I found that these...
Oh, through the whole Corp thing?
Yeah.
I have a huge problem with that.
Okay, I see what you mean.
They can't do the same exact origin story.
They shouldn't have done that.
For money.
Well, I don't care about their money.
You just told me, no, but we've got to make it out in time for the movie though.
So you're using the same logic because I'm just...
Oh yeah, but that's me being an asshole.
Now you're being an asshole.
See how it works?
And the thing is that the parents is always the variable.
No matter who's writing Spidey, the one thing about it is going to be Peter's parents are
going to have a different backstory that'll make him not necessarily the chosen one,
but he was important for some reason.
Yeah.
His folks were never just normal people.
No, they were around.
This trilogy would then be confirmed the best superhero trilogy ever, as if in the third
movie it's revealed that his parents are coming back and...
That's the close.
Yeah!
I love that.
I love that.
It just falls out.
We don't give a fuck we're doing this story.
Yeah.
Any other thoughts on it?
Fucking close.
No, good film.
If you liked the first Amazing, go see it because it's better.
What if I didn't like the first Amazing?
Did you like the first three at all?
Like the previous trilogy?
Yeah.
One and two were fine.
Three was...
Let's not talk about three.
I think two's worth your time then.
Yeah.
Because it's one of the better ones.
Do they do a follow-up first person web swinging shot?
There is a really...
Yeah, I think so.
There is an awesome shot where it looks like the camera is on Spidey's chest, attached
to his chest, looking up like under his chin.
Okay.
And he's swinging, and I'm not sure if you remember what I'm talking about, but it happens
very early on.
And I was like, that is a fucking shot.
You do a really good job of getting like a shitload of Spidey's poses.
Like all over the place, and on creation.
Every time.
Yeah.
Otherwise, I played Child of Light for about seven hours over the course of the week.
I'm sure a lot of people saw it in the stream.
Dude, I completely forgot I played that.
Thanks everyone for tuning into the stream.
How many of those seven hours were recorded?
Three.
Okay.
Yeah.
Child of Light is...
It's really good, absolutely.
Like it's a really strong like 7.5, 8.5 kind of range game.
And like the battle, it's a mix of like a really traditional like ATB system, but it's
got a little bit of real time going on with the little wisp you control and all kinds.
And that's a really fun mechanic.
And the battles are super engaging, and they feel good.
And like the platforming and exploration in 2D, and you can fly and shit, really, really
fun.
Now, no one's been really mentioning it because I just assume it's a given, but the art is
the fucking amazing.
Yeah.
It's great.
I'm thinking about it because it's obviously...
Yeah.
No, the art's great.
And what surprised me and compliments that is the music is also great.
Good.
It's fantastic.
Good, good, good, good, good.
However, I think the story's a little bit weak in the seven hours that I've been through.
Okay.
And you know, there's two elements to it.
Simple or...
Because it's simple.
It's very fairy tale classic.
Within what I've seen.
Yeah, it's a bunch of fairy tale and it's kind of simple.
And you know, otherwise people have said that, hey, the rhyming is great or hey, the rhyming
is bad.
Oh, it's really annoying.
It's really annoying.
The rhyming hampers it.
However, without the rhyming there, it would be such a bland story.
Yeah.
So that's not to say that it's good.
That is to say that there should have been a better core story in the first place.
Or maybe like one certain character, like maybe her herself Aurora should always be rhyming
or maybe the narrator should always be rhyming, but not everyone should be rhyming.
That said, they do some really fun gimmicks with the rhyming where like one of the characters
always fucks up the fourth line of the verse and the other character has to correct it.
Yeah.
So that was the only part where I was like, okay, I mean, you've kind of earned this one
thing.
But then they go back to the other characters talking and I'm just like, because a literary
device like that can't save a story from being bland, but it can definitely like brighten
it up and spice it up a little.
And exactly without this, it probably would have been pretty bland.
Yeah.
That being said, the game is good.
You're going to write a story using iambic pentameter and see if anyone catches on.
It's really good that they wanted to make like an accessible RPG to like not the most
hardcore people.
Yeah.
Speaking of accessibility, it's too easy.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Can you crank up the difficulty then?
You can either have it on easy or hard.
Okay.
And they're even changing the names of those to casual and expert.
Wow.
Okay.
And hard is...
Why?
They're going to edit that?
They are.
Yeah, they're patching that.
Hard is really quite hard.
Yeah.
It's pretty hard.
The stream will attest on normal, which is what I was playing, you never even have to
use the rest of the cast.
I'm getting...
I'm playing on hard and like that first boss like ruined my shit.
Yeah, yeah.
No, it's really tough.
I didn't have to ruin my shit.
It was a little bit after that where I was like, fuck this.
Well, the two.
The two boss.
The two.
Yeah, okay.
Because like I was saying like, is this a Strider situation or it's just like play it on hard
and that'll be it.
No, the problem is there's no normal.
It just goes easy, hard.
Too easy to...
Alien soldier.
Super easy and super hard.
Like that being said, like really fun design choice, having no penalty for swapping party
members in battle and like it's clear as you get further in the game that on hard, that's
how you're supposed to play constantly swapping characters.
But you know, from the two hours I played on hard, I just didn't find myself enjoying
it all that much and it's a shame because the game is really good.
But it's really easy if you're gonna play it on hard.
I'm probably gonna play it on hard once more and then get fucking completely destroyed
by a random battle and go fuck it.
I don't care.
I just wanna look at the art.
Sometimes that's what dissuades me from continuing on hard.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
I really wish it was a normal.
This is old people games.
Oh my God.
This is old people games.
Yeah, sure.
Just give it up and go to Easy Mode.
I can't wait for Child of Light 30th Anniversary Edition.
Back in my fucking day, you couldn't change the difficulty once you started.
Or you just got the difficulty you were given and you liked it.
Yeah.
Otherwise, Vita2000 comes out tomorrow or for you future people listening today.
I can't wait for that.
Everyone listening that this is a future person.
Exactly.
In fact, some of them are still far out of the future than it was yesterday or further
back.
Exactly.
Any fun.
And also, tomorrow for you future people on the 7th, which is Wednesday at 7pm, I'm
gonna be streaming Outlast the Whistleblower DLC, which I'm sure is gonna be fucking terrifying.
This is the only way you're able to play Outlast.
I've seen people watch it before and it'll be terrifying.
I was playing Corpse Party earlier and I was like, I can't play this shit anymore.
Corpse Party's got a little RPG Maker's cry.
It's scary.
Shit up.
It's got, like, buttering up your pooper.
Shit up.
It's scary.
Why?
It doesn't have that.
What are you talking about?
What?
It's party?
Yeah.
You don't?
How far did you get into Corpse Party?
I'm on Chapter 405.
Okay, because in Chapter 2.
Oh, yeah, I remember that joke.
Yeah, I do.
What's the butter in your pooper?
One of the girls in Corpse Party is like, man, my butthole is super dry.
Can you get me that stuff?
I'm gonna go butter up my pooper.
I forgot about that.
What?
That was so long ago.
I completely forgot.
What a scary game.
It is a really scary game, actually.
Like, for reals.
Yes.
And then they're like, oh, you with your dry butthole.
Wow.
It's a good game, though.
Okay.
But anyway.
You should like Corpse Party.
Butts have a lot of grounds well.
Apparently so.
Twitch.com.
Dry grounds well.
Twitch.com slash 2BF Liam.
I'm streaming out last Wednesday at 7pm Eastern.
Yeah, it's gonna be a good stream.
I'm streaming my dry butthole.
I'm gonna have to butter up my pooper for this one.
I completely forgot that was a game.
How did you forget about that?
I think that was the OT, like, title.
I played it back when it first came out for like the first three chapters and wow.
Yeah, you know what?
I did the exact same thing.
I should get back into it.
Yeah, I really want to finish it because the third one's like coming up.
Yeah, that's how many played the second one.
Exactly.
Isn't the second one like a weird sex one?
Why would you use butter?
There's so many other options.
No, no, no.
It's a lotion.
It's a lotion.
She uses the colloquialism.
The colloquialism of buttering up your moss.
That makes it so much better than I see.
Right.
What?
Good luck with your butter.
It's not sticking a stick of butter up your ass.
Come on, let's be classy.
You're stuck in an even like high school and there's ghosts and murder everywhere.
You're like, God, can't wait to just moisturize all up in here.
And she's also the super dumb comic relief character who is dumb.
Yeah.
Shocking.
Sure.
Yeah, it's a good game though.
Don't let that dissuade you.
What about you, Wally?
Don't let that intrigue you.
My week was mostly filled with stuff like buttering up your roof.
Yes.
That consisted of the entire thing.
No.
It was pretty busy.
That was Thursday to Saturday.
Honestly, mostly busy with stuff related to channel things that'll eventually happen.
So unfortunately not a ton that I can actually speak about.
You're under NDA.
I am.
I mean, I did find some time to squeeze in some of Portlandia Season 3, which is now
on Netflix, super slow, but it's there.
So great shit.
That continues to be really cool.
I also grabbed a 2DS, a former girlfriend and gave her 999 and said, go do it.
Do it.
Do the things for now.
Then you can have the chart conversation.
Well, I was kind of amused when I walked by and I was like, she had her notebook out
when it was writing down possible card combinations and number combinations.
I'm like, okay.
Yeah, don't say anything.
Good.
That's different from how I did it, but all right.
She was last award.
They give you a built-in fucking notepad to do that.
Nice.
And it works like shit because you're using your finger.
What are you going to beat that game already?
I don't know.
You know what you should also get for?
They can get it on eBay.
Get her a hotel desk.
Yeah, hotel desk.
That's a good two-up.
Trace memory is really good as well.
Liam, let me ask you something.
You told me that the endings for VLR, when you get to the true ending, that the pieces
that you got along the way, you just have to remember them?
Yeah.
Well, I don't remember them.
So what the fuck am I supposed to do?
Game facts.
Just quit.
Just game facts?
Just give up on life, maybe.
Back down.
Maybe you should just get a guide.
You should really just play the game.
Do it.
Just stop.
Play the game until you get to that point.
And I'll ask you when I'm confused because I forgot details.
Sure.
And in other weird week news, I had a dream in which I was heading up to a northern area
of Quebec with Liam.
We were riding a bus up there.
And it sounded like a dream.
And you were on the bus.
And it was the dumbest weirdest dream ever.
You were not on the bus.
Well, fuck you people.
And you were there.
And you were there.
But you weren't there.
I'm not good enough to be in your freakazoid dreams.
It was the weirdest shit because we were riding the bus.
We were going up north or whatever train or whatever vehicle.
And I had my bags with me and you had your bags with you and just packed.
And it seemed like we were going somewhere far enough that we'd need a big set of luggage.
And Matt was there.
And you were sitting in the front corner of the bus.
That's where I sit.
And to your left and to your right were these two dudes that were like kind of like...
There were a lot of weird guys that were just like having a conversation.
And then next to one of the guys was a girl who I think was your girlfriend, but maybe
wasn't.
It was just vagaries.
That's a dream.
You know, vagaries.
It looked like her face, but it wasn't her face.
And so we were having a conversation, Liam.
Right.
And whatever.
Exactly.
And then as we were talking, we were noticing that the conversation that Matt was having,
which we were totally not paying attention to, eventually led to you standing up and
trying to like...
You're talking to the guys, but trying to get the girls' attention.
Yeah.
And then you really awkwardly, like a guy that Pat, you and I, you know, awkwardly pulled
your shirt off.
Yeah.
But then when you did it, you were super duper ripped.
It was the weirdest thing.
How is that different than real life?
Sure, sure.
But for real.
And then like, I remember looking at Liam and being like, when the fuck did that happen?
Gee, you should have noticed that more.
And then just kind of like ignored it and whatever.
And I'm like, I'm not going to pay attention to that storyline.
And then we got off the bus and went towards our direction or whatever terminal.
And then I realized I lost my luggage.
Oh no.
And then I ran back to find that the bus was gone and then the dream started becoming
coming up, where the fuck did my luggage end up?
And then it went nowhere.
So did you wake up going like, oh, why do I want Matt to be so ripped?
I just woke up, but I, you know what, I explained it to my girl, like I had the dumbest fucking...
It was one of the best dreams though.
You know?
Yeah.
Because it's just like, is this going anywhere?
No.
The one sort of pointer and there was no point.
I had one earlier this week, the entire thing was I was walking around some kind
of convention show and lost my phone and kept not finding it for what appeared to be five,
six hours.
Yeah.
I know.
I know.
And that's the whole thing.
That's the feelings.
And every time I run into like an attendant, I'm like, he's not going to help me.
He works at a bus station.
Yeah.
He does nothing but run into lost luggage.
I had a really fucked up dream the other day because like I have this like recurring
thought in my head of I'm going to be really sad in the future when my hometown is like
ghost town.
Awesome.
Which is a real thought.
Which is a very possible.
That's going to be so cool.
Not solution.
Yeah.
A future.
Anyway, in my dream, I go to my hometown.
It's becoming a ghost town.
I'm all sad.
I wake up in the morning.
I'm like, what the fuck town was that?
That wasn't where I live.
Where was that?
We didn't have a Chinese restaurant.
Why do I feel these things?
Dreams are fucked up on your town.
Ghost town.
Can we go visit it and look for ghosts?
Yeah.
Of course.
Awesome.
Yeah.
No, let's do that.
We'll make a video out of it.
Dreams are stupid.
They're so dumb.
Busting the ghosts that are in your town.
Come at me, ghost.
I challenge you.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you see that buzz sign, you start to sign up the ghost shit.
Like what?
What?
What?
Hey, Willie, before we get into the news, I think you should pick up that little pink
box that's near the computer.
Okay.
So this has been this box the map brought.
And can I, am I allowed to?
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
There's instructions.
Am I allowed to?
There's instructions on the side, and I want you to read it on the side.
So it's a pink box.
What is this box?
It's a pink box.
It's for tea.
It seems to be tea.
Okay.
Yes.
There seems to be a British, like, like, cockat lady.
And Matt wanted you to read this, right?
Yes.
So, Nguyen Heng Chan, special urban tea.
Suitable for all ages to reduce weight and efficiency and safe.
Suitable for all diet person who can't reduce weight by any method,
have no exercises and can't control eating.
Preparation.
Just drop.
Tea in glass of hot water for 20 to 30 minutes.
Drink every night before bed.
You'll see results in one to two weeks.
Special qualification.
This tea is really best for the person with the fatty belly.
There is no lack of effect.
So if you've got a fatty belly, are you just like forcing new people to read that to relive
the first moment over?
Oh, see, it's that way.
My girlfriend was reading to me and it got to that fatty belly thing and like my face
fucking exploded out the back of my head.
I was laughing too hard.
This seems to be Thai.
Right.
And it's like down like the Thailand doctors that are like this um prescribed like their
fatty belly is a condition.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
It's on the list.
They will write that on the fucking prescription.
Nine out of ten doctors say, oh, I'm sorry sir, you got the.
You've got fatty belly and here's what you need to do to fix this.
You need a tea.
You know?
It's totally a medical condition.
This tea has been available in like English speaking markets for like 30 years and no one
ever corrects them.
I love that about these foreign products where that always happens.
Do you know that your thing is nonsense?
Oh yeah.
Yeah, we've known for 28 years.
That's where half the sales come from.
Herbal tea in King of Fighters 96.
Yeah.
Can't get that shit right.
No need.
Like I used to say just hire one guy.
Just one guy for one hour.
To make sure that the character's name isn't Silver.
Now you just need Google.
You don't even need the guy and they still can't be bothered.
You can still do it.
Not bad.
Okay.
Okay.
In gaming news.
Oh shit happened this week.
Shit fucking happened this week.
A bunch of shit happened this week.
No, we're just going to hijack it now.
Beast Souls.
Beast Souls.
It's happening.
We're getting a new Souls game.
Don't ask for reports though.
No, don't.
Project Beast.
Project.
Yeah, but the Dark Souls was Project Dark.
That's why people are calling it Beast Souls.
Ah, okay.
So Project Beasts announced.
No, hasn't been announced.
Okay, it leaked.
Whatever you want to call it.
It's super legit.
It leaked out of 4chan.
But those screenshots were super legit.
Screenshots from software of working with Japan Studio.
Yeah.
Which is why there's a lot of speculation that this is going to be a Sony exclusive game.
Well, if they're working with Japan Studio then you have to assume.
It is no longer speculation if they are, exactly.
But no surprises because like there's been people teasing this for a while.
Shu was teasing it like how he wants to work with them.
Yeah, there's been all these weird little droplets in the pond.
There's been a lot of ground swell behind the idea.
From Soft making a Sony game.
Yeah, I've heard that for years.
There's even a Gaff poster who works at Sony who for the past year and a half.
For the past year and a half has been dropping the word beast in his posts.
GGS will be a beast of a show.
Like not a coincidence.
Yeah.
Where people are like, oh, I hope there's like another bombshell in addition to The Last Guardian.
And he'll say, well, I guess there'll be two beasts then.
And beasts will be capitalized.
Capitalized.
He's been saying this for a year and a half.
So this shit's super real.
And these screens, like how much money would it cost to fake that?
The Foggate one is the one I'm looking at.
That's like a lot of time to fake that fucking Foggate effect.
What I'm curious about is like, OK, so this is probably again Sony owned, like we said.
Yeah.
Are they going to go for a game that is theirs entirely, maybe at some point?
Because it seems like with Demons in Dark and Dark 2 now.
And beast, like these are all owned by a different publisher as opposed to being entirely owned by From Soft.
Dark is owned entirely by From Soft.
Well, no, it's owned by From Soft.
No, Bandai Namco publishes it.
Yeah.
But Dark 1, I think, was self-published in Japan.
Was it?
Oh, OK.
Then Atlas published Demon Souls in North America because Sony didn't want to do it.
OK.
And so Atlas has the part of the Demon Souls one name that Sony also has demon because
of some collaboration.
Was it with Japan's studio at the time?
Yeah.
No, Sony owns Demon Souls.
It's point to the line that this Atlas just published for Sony game.
Dark is from Soft.
It's confusing.
It's not the first time it's happened.
In both cases, or rather in all three cases, I just assumed it was publisher owned.
Yeah.
OK.
But then if they're working this one, I think it's calling this Demon Souls 2 rather than
a whole new thing.
Well, because it doesn't look like it is Demon Souls 2.
No, but you know what I mean.
I would imagine it's just because it's like...
They just call it Demon Souls.
I would imagine it's just because there's like a substantial difference which seems to
be...
Bioshock Infinite had nothing to do with Bioshock, but they slapped the name on it.
Yeah, but for this series, that word is not the first word.
It's the second one.
That's true.
As long as the word soul is in the title of this game, everybody will know what the hell
it is.
But we will see when it gets revealed at probably TGS and not E3.
Do you think?
Yeah.
It's interesting considering the...
It's just that when me and Pat went to E3 that they were like, it was a Dark Souls 2
show.
Literally, the Sony guy from NeoGav said it'll be a beast of a show at TGS.
He said that last year.
Yeah, but I mean like, I'm not gonna bet on E3.
I would assume it'll be out at E3.
I hope it's out at E3, but like...
Not out, but it's shown.
For anyone who's gonna...
Like, when E3 comes around and it's not there and they say, oh, it's fake, no, you're wrong.
It's just a TGS.
That'd be weird.
They hit leeks like this and then they don't show it at E3.
Wouldn't that be bizarre?
It would unless it was...
But it's a leek.
So that doesn't mean anything.
No matter what.
It doesn't mean anything.
It's probably gonna be at E3.
Like, I'm just vehemently fed up of the people calling it fake when it doesn't show up at
E3.
I can't believe the amount of people calling it fake.
I can't believe it.
I think it's because these things actually so rarely happen and that 4chan actually has
a thing.
Yeah, but Sony leeks like a fucking huge leaky boat in the ocean.
They leak.
Yeah.
They're not gonna keep...
I'm not good at metaphors and Sony's not gonna keep me info.
As far as like the specifics of what we saw goes...
There's a gun.
There's a gun.
A shotgun.
There's your beast guy, whatever character you're playing as.
It looks like...
It looks like fucking...
Cowboys, like Darksiders, like...
It made me think of Stranger's Wrath.
Yeah, exactly.
It made me think of Vampire Hunter D for some reason.
Oh, sure.
More Hellsing even.
All of the fucking above because it's dark dreary drab, everything we come to expect.
You're seeing it in a early 1900s era.
There's graves and gates and things like that that look too modern.
Exactly like the first Ganados you encounter in RE4, but he's got a hat on and a katana.
Remember when I was just talking about the other day, like, oh, how would you take the
Souls games into the future, right?
Or at least leave the Dark Ages behind.
This is how you do it.
And if they ever went further into the future, it would have to be a fucked up decrepit future
or a clean laser one.
Or at one point it was a clean laser one and then it became a fucked up decrepit future.
Yeah, shotgun's not even that weird.
When I think about how it works...
And how close you have to get to really be effective with it.
Like, there were spells in Dark One and Dark Two that are basically shotguns.
Yeah, the fun thing is you have to reload.
I forgot what it's called, but soul things that spread out as far away.
And then up when you're up close.
There's a dark spell that literally fires in a shotgun style arc in Dark One.
I don't know if it's in Dark Two.
I can't even remember.
I just didn't do magic.
I don't remember.
But yeah, it's not that crazy.
The only thing I want is like...
They've done guns before, so...
I know ammo would be lame.
No, ammo...
Ammo's gonna be lame.
There's arrows in the arrow now.
I still like having ammo for guns.
Well, and you know what?
It'll probably be like...
I'll just not use the guns then.
Yeah, just go full melee.
That's always the best way to do it.
More guns for me.
Not really, but whatever.
I would totally love to.
Do a wielding flintlock pistols as you get mobbed by everything.
Yeah!
But you feel like a badass as you die.
Four comparisons say the best weapon in Dark Souls Two right now is a gun.
It's the Avalon Crossbow.
It's like a repeating crossbow.
And if you play a PvP and a guy shoots you with it, you just die.
Oh, you can't roll, you can't...
No, it fires three bullets.
So they wait for you to do literally anything.
And then they shoot you and you just die.
Fuck that thing.
Well, whatever.
We'll see it tuned for minimum beast souls.
I hope so.
No, don't tell me to get good.
That's just bullshit.
No, get good.
Get a better shield.
No, the shield does nothing.
It could.
Get a better one.
No, I have a pretty good one.
Well, raise your vitality.
Raise everything.
No, shut up.
You didn't even beat the game.
You don't even know...
That's fine.
I'll have to tell you to get good.
No, you're not.
Shut up.
I don't know.
I don't think you can.
He's been in the game multiple times and you haven't beaten it once.
Get good at the things I haven't seen.
Oh, oh, I would be good except I don't have the time.
What do you want me to say?
I want you to stop telling me to get good.
Why not?
I know.
You can't complain to me.
Hey, Liam, get good with time.
Well, now I will be.
Okay, well, we'll see then.
How about you get good at telling people to get good?
What did I say?
Exactly.
Yeah, learn how to do without causing people to be like, you know what, I should get good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, we'll practice up.
Raise your vitality.
No.
Move it along.
You mean you're bigger.
Other leaks.
Whichever.
Other leaks from this week.
This leak all over.
It was the caudal.
The caudal.
We had caudal.
Now we've got caudal.
Well, it's not a leak now.
It's official now.
Yeah, it was a leak at the time.
What a good contrast.
This thing leaked and was the next day.
Four days.
Four days later, they're like, fuck it.
Here is it.
Trailer.
Some leaks are not leaks at all.
They're like, let's make it a leak.
Well, because they had.
This was a leak.
They had the.
The footage was super low quality.
And they had the Kevin Spacey, like, just his voice thing officially up.
But then at midnight was just the full fucking trailer.
They also were just starting to put out the vice things.
Yeah, the documentaries on.
PMC's.
PMC's.
Call of Duty advanced warfare.
Advanced warfare.
Yes.
Not modern anymore.
Not advanced warfighter.
Nope.
Not advanced warfighter.
That's what it was.
But I watched that trailer and I was like, that looks pretty high.
Okay.
So like first things first.
Looks a lot better.
Wow.
Sledgehammer.
Because super jumps and.
It's Sledgehammer doing it.
And fucking hover bikes.
Okay.
Super jumps, hover bikes, wall climbing.
Let's all remember that Sledgehammer is headed up like that show field.
The creative brain behind Dead Space One.
Which is pretty good.
And I was, I just finished off House of Cards.
So I'm in that space.
Yeah, I'm in the spacey zone there.
You know, I'm right in there and I'm fucking watching this like, oh my God.
I am carrying an uncomfortable amount about what I see right here.
I want to meet again.
Like do you think Titanfall really made them design it like this?
Because it's pretty, I don't think the time frame works at all.
Yeah, it doesn't.
I don't think it works.
Like Titanfall was only actually revealed last year.
No, I think it's more likely that going into this generation everybody just kind of sat down.
It's like, well, we burned the modern time.
We burned the modern time.
We got to go future.
And Black Ops 2 like already took a baby step towards our future.
And I mean, you know, in this case, they clearly just sat down and went, look, yes, everyone else has done this.
We're just going to try and do it good.
Yeah.
And remember now that they have given, they have the three Call of Duty teams now.
These games will actually get development cycles.
They're going to get better for sure.
But like, what is the fucked up cycle going to be now?
It's like, okay.
Sledgehammer?
Because hold on, because now the Treyarch's no longer the bad one.
Drax has a good one.
And Infinity War is the bad one.
And it used to be there the way, but now you throw in Sledgehammer.
And so you're going to get one off year and two good years.
But now, but now Infinity War is a lot of three years to not fuck up.
And it's really, it's really, it's really, really weird.
Neversoft.
Yeah, you see that?
Neversoft doesn't exist anymore.
Oh, wow.
Now they're merged into Infinity War and now they're just Infinity War.
It's really bizarre because the games have these changes that like, it's the way they're
developed.
And because the teams like little inner rivalry, there are things that they change because
they're like, no fuck those guys.
Yeah.
So like all the Treyarch games have the zombie mode in them.
And none of the other ones do.
So like, no fucking don't need zombies.
And Ghost has that alien extinction mode.
Yeah, instead.
And the weirder one is that in the Infinity War games, you have a slide and in the Treyarch
games, you have a dolphin dive.
And it completely changes the game.
Every time.
And no one can agree.
Like they can't agree on like what they want to do and the way that unlocks.
Like the games unlocks change every time.
Forcing them to agree.
I know, but like they're allowed to go their own way.
That's good.
And really making them like to do it.
Basically, you can only actually do a dolphin dive.
The slide doesn't work on like heavy grinding.
Like crumbling crap.
It doesn't.
But I don't think that's the point.
How are baseball sliding on concrete?
It doesn't feel like, say, these games are part of one series.
It feels like they're part of two parallel series that happen to be the same thing.
Like if Doom and Heretic kept coming out with sequels.
In an alternate world, they would be competition.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
But now there's a third one.
Which is only good for them.
And it's probably going to be good for us.
So it remains to see whether or not like Ghost 2 or whatever the fuck Infinity War reports
out is also garbage.
Okay, so hold on.
Did you guys, because Matt, you just explained it as well.
You saw the trailer and you're in same thing as me.
I was like, oh, okay.
This is interesting.
Did you guys have that same sentiment as well?
I didn't even watch it.
Okay.
Did you watch it?
I remember it was the armor design that sold me.
Okay.
On the first screenshot, right?
Does that make us, are we that shallow?
Yes.
You know what I mean?
The answer is yes.
Are we so fucking setting?
Yeah.
No.
You know?
Change of setting is a big deal.
Take any game and remove all the assets from it.
Just great characters.
But it's not so much the same.
I know it's Call of Duty and now they put a good skin on it.
But we as the guys that are going like, oh, brown shooters.
Stop browning more.
It's not.
It's not.
But that detail and a couple of other aesthetic tech things that are like, they had tech already.
Like you said, close to futuristic, but not fully embracing futuristic.
It was near-future.
Yeah.
So now that we go full-future, that's the difference between no and yes.
Going from like, because I feel it inside and just questioning.
Here's how it goes.
Okay.
When we had World War II fucking everything, Call of Duty 4 was announced and shown.
Everybody went, that looks great.
Even people that don't care about first-person shooters, they're like, that looks like an
awesome change of pace.
There's cool new stuff.
And we are now here again, where it is just like, and this one was way worse than World
War II ever got with the modern military stuff.
Especially because it's not even a different thing.
It's now.
It's also way more successful than World War II was.
And then more companies did more games.
Because the modern military thing, it wasn't just reflected in the games.
It was also reflected in TV, in movies.
We just saw it everywhere.
It was everywhere.
It was so boring now.
But now the future can be different.
And Liam and I were at work talking about how everyone can feel that a change of setting
has to occur.
And what if it was going to be World War I instead?
That would be terrible.
The balls that they'd have to have, you get two shots.
You would have balls.
You would have balls, but they would not be the smartest balls you could have.
They didn't have muskets in the 1910s.
They had swords still.
But were they not marching the line?
Yeah, but not muskets.
Okay, what were they using?
Old action rifles, like the K98 or the Mosin Nagin.
How many shots could you get out of that?
You'd get a clip of five and you'd reload it like a...
They were basically sniper rifles with no scopes.
Okay.
But you know what?
I'm coming from the place where they still had cavalry.
So I bet you there were dudes with muskets.
You ever see that video of the cavalry fighting the tanks?
No.
That shit's brutal.
Like, guess who wins?
Now the fact that you said video is already throwing me off, because that makes no sense.
It's a picture phone.
Yes, they had those.
It's bad quality.
They had the Mosin Nagin and so on, but there were dudes with muskets.
No.
Probably.
No.
No.
Muskets are like the 1700s.
Okay, fine.
I don't know if you should have...
I'm tired of this shit.
Yeah, okay.
You know what I'm saying?
This setting is important.
But I watched a trailer.
It's like Black Ops 2 had a different setting.
I was still like, eh.
But this clearly has dudes are doing super jumps and there's actual game scene.
What I would say there is that Black Ops 2 didn't use its setting very well.
Okay.
In a World War I...
The setting is the fucking same again with the characters and what they can do is super
different and that looks fun.
Like the hoverbikes.
Yeah.
They were fucking hoverbikes.
Is it hoverbikes?
Wall climbing?
Super jumps?
And super jump kicks.
The word PMC was thrown around a lot.
Everywhere.
When you throw around PMC, like I can't help but think of Metal Gear, which makes me want
to play your game, but just a little bit more than it can use it.
Kevin Spacey's character's name is compelling.
Jonathan Irons?
Yeah.
Come on.
As the manager of a PMC.
That's such a good, but stupid American name.
Future setting is perfect.
Because World War II always meant World War II.
Modern military always meant a very specific year of modern military from 2000 to 2010.
Future can be anything from 10 years from now like Black Ops to in the fucking space
with destiny.
Right.
Like with monsters and aliens and shit.
Yeah.
You can go to Infinity and Beyond.
Literally.
Oh.
Oh.
Jinx?
Yeah.
That was weird.
Download the DLC that's got Buzz Lightyear in it.
But as far as the past goes, we were running out of American conflicts.
Yeah.
You know?
There's, what is it?
You only go so far back until you get guns that suck shit.
Yeah.
Oh my gun didn't shoot.
Oh, that's all right.
Unless you do the Time Splitters thing where it's like, no, it's magic guns.
Or you do what Sledgehammer was originally going to work on.
Which is?
It turns out that the game that got canceled was originally a Vietnam war shooter.
I read that too.
And it was going to cover some of...
Did Black Ops one heavily do Vietnam?
Yes, it did.
It did.
The secret war in Cambodia was going to be the main central stage for that game.
Wow.
And apparently they had some 15 minutes of gameplay that they made over the course of eight months
or so before it got pulled in, but there was quote unquote some interesting unique things
that this game had that others didn't.
Battlefield Vietnam was interesting and unique.
Magic of Vietnam was the best.
You had helicopters.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe the soundtrack would have been the most interesting thing going on there.
That's always the case with Vietnam games.
Yeah, no, you have to play with certain tracks.
The Vietnam games are always weird because it's the only modern conflict that is like
really morally ambiguous.
Like it's easy to shoot Nazis.
It's easy to shoot Russian nationalists and terrorists.
It's easy to shoot aliens.
Especially aliens.
It's a little weirder to shoot the communist Viet Cong army that's defending their country
after imperialist French occupation.
Yeah, it's a little weird, but hey.
Salad.
It sells whatever.
No, it doesn't.
Vietnam games sell for shit.
Oh, awesome, great.
I was going to say, but it's a lot easier when you're listening to CCW though.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, but like, so I think at the time though, like back before we were talking about the
original game that got cancelled, Shanghai's was the...
Am I...
No, Shanghai's Blackhorn.
Shit, you're right.
Sorry, sorry.
You're just war forever.
Yay.
Black Tusk.
Black Tusk.
Black Tusk, great.
Which is what I wish they were making.
I wish there, whenever I see the word Black Tusk, I always mistake it to mean this is the
co-name or the name of the game they're making.
Yeah.
Because it sounds like an awesome game name.
And those are cool words.
Those are fantasy games.
Those are cool words when you put them together.
They'll make years of war for the remainder of this generation and then that'll get passed
off to somebody else and Black Tusk will be making Kinect three games forever.
Yeah, when I first heard Black Tusk, I was like, oh, they're going to make like a Zelda
game, but for Microsoft.
No, I was thinking of a Tusk character.
Sure, sure.
Black Tusk.
What?
But no, they said part of what was going to make that game compelling was there was a
lot of like tunnel play.
Sure.
Because there's underground tunnels that use this part of it.
And that created a lot of dead space sort of moments that you could get from the underground
battles.
Dead totally makes sense.
Landmines.
Yeah, landmines.
All kinds of bullshit.
They blow your legs off.
That is interesting.
At once.
They're still there too.
Point away from face.
Yeah.
Front towards enemy.
Yeah.
Also going on in this week's news.
What's going on?
Did somebody leave Naughty Dog again?
I don't think they did.
Probably.
Yeah, yeah.
We just didn't hear about it.
Well, there's a P4G article that was, sorry not P4G.
Yeah, P4R.
P4R Gaming.
Oh, yeah.
Fuck.
Yeah, you're actually nailing it.
That has them going.
We have confirmed there is still one person working at Naughty Dog and the receptionist
is the person that is working on The Last of Us 2.
Did you read the article?
Yes.
Well, she's like, oh, I don't have a lot of time, but I'm learning the code.
I don't know.
She's not a very good artist.
I should probably get off the phone with you guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have eight years of man work, like man hours.
It was really something like that.
No, it's like, it is being worked on and it will happen at some point in the future,
but I gotta go.
I really, really need to get on it.
Yeah.
That's pretty good.
No, but not P4R News, but P4G News.
Oh, fuck.
What the fuck?
Yeah, it's weird.
They're making another persona for Animes, but this time it's based on the Golden.
So, Marie's there anyway.
No.
And it probably has a higher budget.
No, those are the two things they said.
Exactly.
Like, that's...
And maybe you guys can clarify this, but like, no.
What?
No one can clarify this.
There's no reason except money.
It's going to be the same amount of episodes, but with more content.
And with Marie appearing.
And yeah, with a completely new character added in, and it will have better animation
and no more Double Cheat.
So, are we just doing, like, Full Metal Brotherhood now?
No, it's the same.
No, it's the same.
It's more of the same.
It's like, oh, let's fix some of the mistakes and make it more accurate.
So, I'm really interested in seeing what the hell they're going to do.
If they're calling it Persona 4 Golden, and they're just going to know.
But it's just going to be the same episodes with Tust Up Animation and like, 3 minute
vignettes added here and there.
Or if they're actually going to bafflingly, completely draw the whole thing over.
No, not even draw, but like, different script, different events.
Oh, probably.
Why?
For who?
For the people that subscribe to Persona Magazine in Japan.
And that's restarting now.
The announcement was apparently a total clusterfuck, where they had the voice actors just dicking
around for like two hours or more.
It wasn't a clusterfuck, it was great.
Just English-speaking people didn't understand it.
Nor did I.
And how come all those animated gifs came out of them touching each other's penises?
Because that's how Japanese things go.
Oh, I guess.
Is that how press announcements go?
Hey, there wasn't a press announcement.
It was like a semi-informal, basically.
Oh, it's got ditched.
It was like it's voice actors sitting around a kotatsu announcing things on cardboard
cards.
Basically, it was super informal.
And Atlas has decided that every time they want to announce something, they're going
to troll a shit out of everyone.
Which is great.
So, when they did the original Persona 5 announcement, they had that fucking thing where they had
a reporter stand directly in front of the screen you were trying to watch.
And that took three hours, it felt like, to announce anything.
And this, they were like, there's going to be a huge Persona announcement for Persona
fans.
They did say anime-related.
Which is something that did not translate to any of the English websites because I guess
they're just, they want to ignore that word.
Yeah, I didn't get that part of the message.
So, what I found out is like the anime, again, kind of, maybe, I don't know.
So, there's probably a tone to like being a Persona fan in Japan that you are not aware
of being here.
Yeah, Persona 3, better than Persona 4 in Japan for some reason.
Well, I was going to say, think about how like Ono interacted with like fans of Street Fighter,
when you know the deal.
You're like, oh, what a goofball, whatever.
But to anyone else, it's like, what the fuck, what is he doing?
Is he announcing anything or not?
You know?
Like, what is this toy?
Yeah.
You know?
So, maybe it's like that.
I mean, there's so much more Persona media in Japan.
Like, again, they announced the magazine was starting up.
They announced the second movie.
I can't believe it's the magazine.
The first movie's coming out.
Is there any third movie or is it just the two?
I'm pretty sure it's just the two.
Okay.
You know, they even, like, there was a bunch of shit that showed off and it's just like,
Persona media is happening.
Because guess what?
It was an announcement for Japan.
Oh.
You know?
They should have announced things for us.
So, yeah.
That's all we got on that.
Maybe when we figure out what the fuck the differences are.
I hope they have another, like, huge fuck up with the voice acting again.
With the original animation, they put out, like, as one of the first press releases,
like, we're getting back all the voice actors from the game for the English dub.
At which point, the voice actor for Chiye and Teddy both went,
No, you're not.
Ouch.
Which I believe also happened for Golden.
Don't like that.
I think Teddy is as he was, but Chiye was a different voice actor.
Yeah.
Also, it's because people said that how in my Spider-Man video, the voice actor for
Spider-Man is the English voice actor for Teddy as well.
Like, he was Teddy.
That's cool.
He's Spider-Teddy.
I did not.
Yeah, I can see that.
You can see Teddy being Spider-Teddy.
Teddy just opens up and it's Andrew Garfield.
Yeah, there you go.
He's also, like, Flynn and Vesperia and Donatello in the 2003.
Yeah.
TMNT.
TMNT.
Now, I was, like, kind of devastated when I loaded up Twin Snakes and Mailing was gone.
Oh, yeah.
That sucks.
Yeah, I love racism.
It's a big change.
I really wish they kept that super racist accent.
Except for the, no, it wasn't racist.
It wasn't racist.
It was not racist.
She was a Chinese woman with an accent.
No, she's a Chinese woman with an accent, the group in California.
Okay?
Sure?
No.
That makes no sense.
But I know people like that, that we're born here, that have an accent.
If you're, like, putting a product out for general consumption and you're in this one
time, you're not going to do that.
It's dumb.
It's like, oh, these people don't exist?
We can't acknowledge or have anyone that might actually sound like a real person might?
What the fuck?
No.
No, that's not racist at all.
Enjoy crime times.
Sure.
Anyway.
What's your point?
My point was that that sucked.
But I can imagine in a game like Persona, or in a world of Persona where voice acting
is such a strong quality, that must be a huge blow.
Yeah, people are happy with the new voice acting.
People are still not happy with the new voice acting.
Deal with it.
It's devastating in a world where you take it personally.
Otherwise it's fine.
It's a strong point.
They basically said we can either make no new content or we can keep all the old voice
actors.
Which do you want?
We're making new content.
Suck it.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Moving along, we have a weird...
No way.
We have a weird...
No way.
I don't know what you call these, but like...
But article piece, like news piece.
Okay.
Just tip it.
Not opinion piece.
It's like whatever.
Look at these puppies.
Save the thing.
Save the thing.
No.
Puppies.
It's like...
I enjoy puppies.
You're getting me.
You're getting me.
Tell me about dogs.
It's not about dogs.
Arcades were banned for the last 32 years in Marshfield, Massachusetts.
Massachusetts.
You know what the reason?
Although they had no good nicks hanging around here, banned them.
Literally banned this thing that's going out of business on its own.
Literally people voting that have onions hanging from their belts.
No.
The oldest school in the stocking.
It was the stocking.
At the time.
Unbelievable.
They couldn't give you white arcade machines because of the war.
The only thing you could get were those big yellow ones.
It's such bullshit because...
Like for the last what?
20 years?
32.
32.
32.
And they had a vote on this back in 2011 and it still got shut down.
The majority...
So that was ridiculous.
Yes.
No.
Obscene.
Nobody knew about it.
And the only people that showed up to vote on it were the people that knew.
And were like, we're fucking arcade machines.
We're gonna ruin the kids with the Pac-Man.
You know, and they're like pulling quotes from like judges in the 80s that are saying
like, I want to raise my youngster in a place where I can instill my values in him.
Sure.
And it's hard to do that with all these distractions around.
Well, do I have to remind you that Kinder Surprise are like jailable offenses by bringing
me to the United States?
Right.
There's a lot of places in a lot of places, not just the U.S., that have weird shit that's
against the law.
The Kinder Surprise one to me is so unbelievable.
You will go to jail.
You can be put on a no fly list for bringing in Kinder Surprise.
I know, but it's unbelievable.
Just don't eat the fucking toy.
Jesus.
Yeah.
And the thing with this story is that like I have a personal stake in this bullshit.
Yeah.
You love going to play arcades in that town.
Well, more importantly is here in fucking Montreal, we've got like not that type of
law in place, but it's almost impossible to open up a new arcade.
What is that?
The only thing you can do is have it grandfathered in because they're still considered undesirable
elements in the neighborhood.
Which is normal for arcades.
Absolutely 100% because my buddy who was opening up the barcade had tons of trouble with getting
the arcade machines in originally.
Yeah, you just bring them in and just not tell anybody.
Yeah, and then you fucking get an inspector that goes, what the fuck's going on over here?
Is this a gambling parlor?
No, no, it's a drink table.
Well, no, if you have a machine set up and you're putting money into it.
Have them make a regular bar, but then have arcade machines under the underside of the
board and have a button that flips it every time the inspector moves.
Ah, that wouldn't be cheap at all.
Either I can only practice my frame traps when I'm inside the gears.
Yeah, no, Willie comes out on the other side and says, man, those gears really hurt.
I was going to go for a speak easy instead.
You go through the back door and you get led into the smoky den that they think it is.
Wait, you mean led into an arcade?
Yeah.
This story strikes me as the most out of touch thing ever because, oh, I don't want my kids
growing up with all these distractions.
Don't give your kids fucking cell phones.
Don't give your kids tablets.
These are the actual kids.
The amount of sources for children to get their hands on pornography is infinite nowadays.
You gave him a phone.
Congratulations.
You gave him all of Ben's books.
He's looking at butts right now.
Right now.
Yeah, no.
It's a small town, but the guy that pushed the whole initiative to get rid of this shit
was basically like, I was sitting and thinking, why is it illegal in my town to have fun with
my friends?
Yeah.
Seriously, what's the deal?
There's a bunch of states you can't buy booze on a Sunday.
Sure.
It's just really annoying though that, like I said, you have these things in place and
it's nice that this happened where they're like, oh, now we can get this going.
Yeah, now we'll get a local arcade.
But surely.
Surely.
This will fix our economy.
That's why it's so out of touch.
But the bullshit that continues here, like I said, is you can only be grandfathered in
unless you're a movie theater, in which case you just fucking pay or whatever.
Yeah.
Or some type of like restaurant, like a Chuck E. Cheese type thing or a family fun center.
David Buster's.
Like they're, yeah.
Just the, but what do you mean then?
You know.
There's a family fun center in Montreal where like all the video games could only be a certain
rating.
They could only have just one.
Just do what everybody else does and go see Big Tony and just pay him.
Yes.
And he'll make the problem go away.
Exactly.
That's totally how it works.
That's exactly how it works.
And the other thing I found out is that like Mahjong and like poker machines and stuff
like that.
Again, you can't have any new ones purchased and brought in there because there's a limited
number that exists here in the city and all you can do is move one from its location to
another place.
That's really weird.
That's cool.
And that's it.
But like the fucking thing is there, they're huge, huge money makers and like dudes have
shut down businesses and open to businesses just to get these things moved into their
places.
Scumbag stories have happened.
You just need to bribe the right people more.
Yeah.
That's it.
Remember kids.
It's cost of doing business.
I guess.
Back when I heard this type of story in relation to like grease banning video games, that
was one thing.
No, just bribe news.
But like fuck man.
This is such a specific honed attack.
Yeah.
Homeland attack.
It really is.
That shit needs to go away.
We need to write down these.
Well China unbanned video games.
Eventually.
Eventually they just did.
They just did.
They unbanned them like last week.
No.
But they're going to ban them again next week because now games that are sold in China have
to pass the...
What's it called?
The Chinese...
The values.
The values board or something.
The battlefield 4 is out as banned in China because of the Chinese.
Don't vilify China jerks.
But at the same time that doesn't really...
Like yes that happened, but they've been working around it for years now.
Oh yeah.
And there's games there that are just like labeled as other things.
But now it's less great marketing.
They've been working around it for a long time, but the big difference now is going
to be that marketing will have a foothold.
For example Microsoft and the Xbox One already has a marketing foothold coming into China
and there is going to be billboards and there is going to be market.
I don't know if you know this.
Great market.
It doesn't have marketing.
But the people who do actually release games over there, they're considered like this is
acceptable according to the government and so on and so forth.
Nobody releases games over there.
They're not games, but they're weird like half...
You mean apps?
Education.
Games.
All of the IQ and stuff.
Like the fucking King of Fighters Online Chinese game.
Right.
It's a game.
And everything the Tencent does.
But it manages to be classified as not a game for whatever legal reasons.
No, it's just a PC game and they have it in Chinese.
That's it.
They release it in China.
It's on the internet.
Right.
They just release it on the website.
This is actually putting a box on a shelf.
But you know what I mean.
What I mean.
Kind of.
The industry has been there for a while.
Just in weird gray...
Yeah.
But the big difference here is now marketing's here.
Yeah.
There's a huge difference between allowing your purchasable game to be sold to this region
to actively pushing it.
I don't know if you know this.
It's going to be interesting.
There's a lot of people who live in China.
And people are...
Granted 70-plus percent of them couldn't afford an Xbox One or...
30 percent?
Still bigger than a bunch of countries.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
No, certainly not.
Just like how...
There's a lot of people in Brazil.
Absolutely.
So once you can't, just pirate shit anyway.
It's a regular way of dealing with things.
It'll be really interesting to see what happens for sure.
Yeah.
I would love to get a good handle on...
Because you know what a Western game feels like?
You know what an Eastern European Polish Ukrainian game feels like?
You know what a Japanese game feels like?
What's a Chinese game feel like?
Oh, a Chinese game?
You take a game, you bump it back to pre-alpha and you play it.
Oh.
No.
So it's like a Polish game times two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With the exception of American McGee, I don't think there's anything...
What was...
It's called American McGee!
I know.
What was the Chinese team fortress called again?
Do you remember that game?
I can't remember.
And Korean games are free to play MMOs with huge asses.
Yeah.
This game has fallen apart like one of our motorcycles.
Why would he be talking in this voice?
Yeah, Rodney Danger feeling from China.
What?
No, for a while I've been really wanting like a good Chinese developer to appear.
And like Epic China recently was like, oh shit, I hope...
Now's the time.
And Epic China is just making the most derivative shooter ever.
As with most Chinese products.
Why would Epic even have an office in China?
Because it's cheap.
Because it costs nothing.
Ah, jeez.
But it doesn't produce anything.
Well, no, they are.
Didn't you see?
They're making that generic shooter.
Oh, that shooter!
But that's what I'm expressing my disappointment.
You know what they do with their Epic Global Roundtable Meeting,
the guy in charge of Epic China is like, yo, you guys got 20 bucks?
Alright, good.
I'll see you guys later.
I'll bring the game back.
In a year.
That's it.
Precisely in a year.
You know, why not?
I hope that place shapes up.
Industries get big.
It's getting big.
And also getting smaller at the same time.
Oh, weird.
Oh, weird.
At the same time, I hope the Chinese video game development industry doesn't shape up,
so we still have jobs.
Sure.
And maybe one day we'll see Chinese games in Marshfield, Massachusetts.
Maybe.
Chinese arcade games.
That's how far we've come.
Exactly.
It's got a loop around, for sure.
Anyway.
Any Brazilian game, large game publishers, no?
No.
Speaking of looping around.
Oh, where is this going?
Mario Kart 8.
Oh, it looks like a video game.
It looks like a video game.
But you know what sounds fucking better?
You can turn that item blue shell off, fuck you!
Well, maybe, yeah, you can do that, yeah.
There's total item in.
You can do that.
I saw that.
Went blue with care now.
So now, you don't have to get good at Mario Kart.
You can just take off all your items.
That's your final destination.
Oh, maybe, or you could just get good.
That's also possible.
Get good at luck.
Now, everything.
Yeah, get good at luck.
Nonetheless, the Smash Bros. argument was so intense that it ended up going into Mario
Kart.
Yeah.
All of this is super irrelevant in the face of the fucking soundtrack.
Have you guys heard this music?
That spouser theme.
It was a fucking electric guitar and shit.
Moo Moo Ranch?
Meadows?
Meadows, rather?
Mario fucking cast?
Oh my god.
So, Nintendo woke up and went, oh shit!
The Mario Galaxy Orchestra is sitting there starving.
And they're like, hey!
We haven't fed them in like two years.
What are we doing?
Give them some music to do.
Oh, totally.
And they did it.
Sounds fucking great.
Man, I really was hoping you were gonna say, give them some music to eat.
Eat these sick tunes.
Why does Mario Kart visually look better than most PS4 and X-Bone titles?
Oh, because Nintendo's art style translates incredibly well to HD.
And you're being fooled because it's 720p.
I still think it looks better.
Oh, no.
No, it does.
But it's running at a lower resolution in an art style that doesn't really see the higher
resolution.
Also, same for 3D World, it's like 80% lighting tricks and they're amazing at it.
Well, 3D World's a little bit of a lesser thing, but it's like when the track goes
upside down, you see the entire arena upside down, you see like all the little flashbulbs
and every individual like individual character.
There's some certain stages where I'm like, why?
No, it looks great.
Nintendo's art style is super, super, super clean.
Well, I mean, like next gen is mostly lighting tricks, right?
No, I'm not saying that.
Because once we hit the point where poly count was super fucking high, all you've got left
is all kinds of bump maps.
Defer the lighting though.
Yeah.
Defer it.
The only really disappointing things, I mean, Liam talked about it, is that battle mode,
they just, it's the most pared down thing ever.
No more battle tracks.
You don't get individual battle tracks, you just get slightly reworked regular tracks.
Hey, you like Block Fortress?
Yeah.
No.
No.
Finally, unfortunately.
Yeah, that's Nintendo Direct.
That fucking title screen theme is a remix of the Super Mario Kart original theme done
orchestrated.
I think that Nintendo Direct was the best thing I've ever seen.
No.
I'd say it was terrible.
It was super creepy.
I was like on edge the whole time.
Yeah, I didn't like it very much.
They're playing it like a super, like, sincere infomercial.
And it was just like, ugh.
I feel like they were like, okay, we'll do it like the robot chicken, but it's good for
a general audience and we have shit actors and writers.
That's the problem.
You can totally do this type of thing.
If you have a game or a product that's like not like a family friendly.
It's a little better writing.
Oh, no, no.
Not even so much better writing.
It could have been, the writing should have been worse.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, it's like, it could have been worse.
It was that uncomfortable middle ground of pseudo competency.
Oh, Liam, do you know what they should have done?
They should have just redone that, uh, Laserdisc Nintendo promo thing.
Yeah, I was so good.
Did you see that?
No.
Someone found a Laserdisc, which like an hour of Nintendo, 1995 promos and commercials.
So there's this, that stupid jackass that worked for Capcom with the backwards hat.
It was like, my friend, Toby, they have the exact same type of kid.
That's like, there's something hidden behind these doors.
What is it?
And then like a Nintendo rep comes up.
It's the virtual boy.
And he goes, flow, what?
He goes, do other people have this technology?
And then it just has a quick cut.
And then I'm going, ha ha ha.
It cuts back.
No.
It is so funny.
It is too funny.
If they had done that, that would be my life.
I preferred like Iwata just standing there giving me the business.
Yeah.
Totally.
I didn't like the little comedy filtering those.
I say the, the closer we get.
Absolutely.
Cause it was a sacrifice.
Like, yo, here's the deal.
This, this, this done.
I'm a, I'm a doll.
No way.
I'm not, huh?
The closer we get to Nintendo Directs looking like the videos that play at your dentist's
office, the better.
Yes.
Yes.
Exactly what I mean.
Because those are produced for dentists and they love that shit.
These would be produced for us.
And we love that shit.
Just like all kinds of random teeth technology just blasted at you the whole time.
That definitely worth giving it a shot.
But I, yeah, I didn't like it that much.
The game looks great.
The game looks great.
What's up for another?
Like two weeks.
Oh, that's, that's soon.
Yeah.
The WiiU is saved.
Yep.
I said this before.
I saw, I was being a shit last week.
I'm shocked.
And I, I made that stupid comment of just that smarmy just like, oh yeah, that'll save
Nintendo.
And the fucking Mario Kart, they're giving away free games.
Yeah.
You get a free game.
And I saw a bunch of people on Twitter going like, I saw that announcement and all I could
hear was Pat saying like, oh yeah.
Yeah.
That'll save Nintendo.
That'll save Nintendo.
Give away free games.
I think you were talking about season passes at the time.
I don't remember.
But the important thing is that like just giving away free games.
Like just giving away free games with their big huge release.
It looks like really desperate, doesn't it?
Well, guess what?
It is.
Because if Kart and Smash don't do anything.
Kart especially.
If Kart doesn't.
Yeah.
Kart's the one.
We loved about.
Smash better.
But Kart's the one.
Maybe.
Didn't that sell like 38?
Kart sold way, way better.
But what I mean to say is Kart on the Wii sold in an environment where everyone was buying
games, where we have now regressed back to an environment where it's more core focused
as evidenced.
But Kart sold so much.
As evidenced by the sales on KS4 and Xbox One.
Ultimately, it needs to be both.
Yeah.
It can't be one of the.
I'm just glad that they're putting out a bundle because I said they need to put out all your
parts.
You're totally right.
Totally, totally.
I guess I'm getting Pikmin 3 for free now.
Good.
This is an awesome game.
You'll love it.
Maybe.
It's the best use of the game.
Then you'll appreciate it this time.
Liam, you said that I'd rather just buy Wonderful 101, get that again and just give it to someone.
Give the code to someone?
Yeah.
Because I have all the other games.
So yeah.
But yeah.
I can't get Wonderful 137 tracks.
And you can go listen to them all.
I'm linking to it in the end of the notes.
I'll listen to that.
I'll listen to like a few.
Yeah.
They've got the full list.
It's fucking sick.
Maybe.
Maybe what?
What?
Maybe we should all play Mario Kart.
Maybe we should play Mario Kart.
Maybe we should find an avenue in which to play it.
Maybe.
Or we can just do like, you know, Crash Team Racing or...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anything equally hype.
Little big planet racing.
Magnetic racing.
Is that what that was called?
Chocobo Racing.
People are going to get mad pissed that you put Crash Team Racing next to other kids.
Crash Team Racing is fairly good.
D-Con Racing.
D-Con Racing is amazing.
D-Con Racing was always in my dentist's office.
It was.
D-Dentist's office.
Yeah.
Mine too.
Same for my friends, but not on it.
Wait, what?
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Why?
The dentist...
Because they had an N64 in my dentist's office.
Yeah, I know.
Do we want to say no?
We couldn't have gone to the dentist's office.
No, I was off the aisle.
Yeah, you were.
No, there's no way.
Yeah, they had it.
And they also had PodRacer.
At a different time.
No, I had Mario 64.
This is what I call getting hurt in a dentist's chair.
Yeah.
We play PodRacer and try to ignore the screams.
Man, there is nothing worse than sitting at a dentist's office and just hearing it like...
I did.
It's just like...
And it's not fear and pain.
Fear and pain.
It's just terror and pain.
The sound of PodRacer is going by with screams in the background.
No.
And you're just sitting there going like...
I forgot how scary it was going to the dentist.
It's scary now, but it's a different type.
It's like, oh, God, I have to go through this bullshit.
When you were a kid, it was the most terrifying thing.
To me, it's never liked it, but since my stepdad was a dentist, I was kind of less scared.
Okay, yeah.
Not because he would do it all the time, but because I kind of felt comforting for some reason.
Yeah.
I never find it scary with the needles or anything like that, because that stuff doesn't bother me.
Yeah.
But what I always freaked out about more was when you go for the fucking x-ray part and
then the dentist hides.
Yeah.
And they make you wear a lead apron.
You're like, why are you going away?
Because they're doing that like 50 times.
And the little amount can add up for them.
But you gotta wear the lead apron.
Once every six months.
Oh, yeah.
You gotta protect your nuts.
But fuck.
You're hyping that up to be like the most sinister thing.
Wear this protection.
I'm getting the fuck out of here.
You need this armor.
I'll be back.
Wait, let me put this right up to your face.
That shit affected me way more.
When my dentist had it, they had this big fucking arm, like a portal shape.
Yeah, yeah, always.
And it was a cannon.
Yeah.
Point at your face.
At your mouth.
Absolutely.
The whole thing is, since they just aim it at your jaw and it's actually very well
aimed, it can't possibly hit any other part of your body.
What if it bounced off a part of the wall behind you and hit your nuts?
And that's why they make you wear the lead apron.
Because what if?
What if the radiation hit your nuts?
Terrifying.
You lose your nuts.
No, you wouldn't.
They fall right off.
No, you would just have bad juice.
They fall right off.
You'd have mutant babies.
Yeah.
Awesome.
What is not awesome is apparently the accusations that Carmack stole some tech from Zenimax.
Yeah, it did his head.
Okay, so I went way in there.
That stuff is so confusing because we are not part of the business legal world.
No, but what we do have is official statements.
Common sense.
We have common sense, but we have official statements.
No, we don't.
No.
From both sides.
I have common sense.
I'm the sensible one.
You're not.
Tell me another one.
That's the joke.
So the story goes that Zenimax basically is filing suit against Oculus because when
John Comrack worked there and when...
When he started the company.
And when the other founder of Oculus, Mr. Lucky, when they were involved, they apparently
were working on some VR tech for Zenimax and they're saying that they left and they use
that same tech to develop everything with Oculus.
The argument they're making is that they developed code for them, which stayed with them.
They developed their own new code, but they went on their own and came up with their own
new ideas, obviously using the experience, but you can't own the experience.
You can only own the experience.
That's where it gets really weird.
You can own the ideas and you can own the code produced.
You can own know-how.
But not the experience.
No, dude, know-how is a legal term in some documents.
There are companies that when you sign up, they say anything you develop or think of
or create.
Exactly.
When you're here, we own, even if you did it at home.
Yes, and I've signed documents like that.
Yeah.
We're specific to, again, what you develop, whether it's an idea, a thought, a concept,
or actually put into execution.
But the practice of a general...
Carmack's point is that you own that code, but you don't own the idea of VR goggles.
And yes, and what I'm saying is that the practice of a general experience you develop,
working at these companies that you can put into practice elsewhere is not something
they can sue you for.
If I am good...
It shouldn't be anyone.
No, it shouldn't be, but they can.
It's whether or not their lawyers are good.
They can try.
They certainly can try.
But that's not what that definition is supposed to be.
As someone who signed these documents.
On the podcast, I would say six months ago, he read the news that Carmack left in software.
And I felt it was really weird.
I remember making a comment how the press release was very...
It's fine.
He did minimal work on this.
Whatever.
Blah, blah, blah.
Really blowing off the creative genius behind this entire company and a lot of its engines.
And then said, we wish him the best of luck.
Yeah.
And then well after that, another three months, maybe more, it's like, hey, Facebook bought
us.
It's like...
Interesting timing.
Exactly.
But the timeline of events seemed to be that Lucky and Carmack offered a deal to Xenomax
way long ago saying, we'll give you an equity stake in the company.
And Xenomax said, nah, fuck it.
Because you got whatever.
We're busy making sure to regularly...
And as soon as they got...
As soon as they got the hottest girl in the ball...
As soon as they got on my Facebook, they went, no, we want it.
Zuckerberg in the prettiest dress.
We want it.
And now they're like, well, we offered you.
You didn't want it.
So just fuck you.
You don't make two billion dollars without you losing a few friends.
Of course.
Yeah, yeah, very nice.
Okay, remember?
Remember when...
Success took a shot at you, Frank.
What are you going to do?
Remember when Tim Schaefer made Brutal Legend and then EA?
Oh, no, is it?
Oh, God.
Sierra.
Activ...
Activision?
It was EA.
Who published?
Activision put it out.
Put it out?
No, no.
EA put it out.
EA put it out.
What were you working on at first?
Activision originally had it.
Was it Sierra?
No, no, no.
No, no.
Activision originally was going to publish it and they funded part of it.
And they're like, we don't want it anymore.
And they sold it to EA.
Yeah.
And then when EA went to go finish it, said, no, we own some of it still, though.
Don't put it out.
And EA went, what?
And Tim Schaefer got really pissed and said, well, if Activision liked it, they should've
fucking put a ring on it.
Should've put a ring on it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This strikes me as the exact same thing.
So that's what everyone is saying from no matter what the angle is.
I bet that's going to bite them.
Yeah.
And when they offered you a deal, guys, why didn't you take the deal?
Also, because it's not just outside speculation.
That shit counts in court when they go, yeah, wait, so they just got bought and now you
bring this on?
Yeah.
Also, I have zero empathy with Xenomax whatsoever in this situation.
Really?
Zero empathy with the patron saint?
But it goes back to even...
No, I always hated Xenomax.
Yeah, I know.
I'm mocking them because they're evil.
But I mean, when Karmac quit because he couldn't work on 3D stuff, and going back even before
that, Xenomax owns some of the foremost first-person IPs in the world, and they were not immediately
like Mrs. Elborn Oculus.
Yeah, like Rogue Warrior.
Like Rogue Warrior.
Doom, Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls, modern Fallout, like the list of everything.
That really sucks because this really makes me go, oh man, Xenomax is the worst again.
They're evil, but they're just quiet.
I hate them.
But I want to play that new Wolfenstein, actually.
Yeah, I know.
I'm pretty interested in that.
So we're going to have to see how this plays out in court, obviously.
But what makes me feel like they have less of a claim than they think they do is the fact
that Xenomax is putting out the whole signed document for the public to see as far as what
Carmack's contract was, and they have a giant statement about this, and they're putting
out way too much information that would usually be kept secret for the case, you know?
Because Carmack himself, he put out a simple little statement, and then on his Twitter,
he was like, it's unfortunate, but when this type of transaction comes out, people come
out of the woodwork and try to make ridiculous and absurd claims, so we intend to defend
Oculus quickly.
Of course.
And then Xenomax puts out their giant thing like, nuh-uh, here's the whole story, you
guys can see for yourselves.
And it's like, wait, wait, wouldn't you save that for court?
You're playing your cards too hard right now.
I think you can tell everything you need to know about this story by reading the Xenomax
like accusation, like legal letter, in which they say that working at Xenomax allowed Mr.
Lucky and Mr. Carmack to pursue their garage-based pipe dream.
Fucking Carmack started the company you did.
Actively slam the thing they're trying to get a piece of in the release.
It's really weird.
It's really passive-aggressive.
It's bizarre.
They don't even want it.
They don't even want the thing.
Like, this is stupid.
Give it, though.
It might be a thing, so we better get it.
Remember, we also want your brain extracted from your head and delivered in a glass.
Can you or genome yourself to us?
We're pretty sure legally you have the right to.
We talked about Facebook buying it, or like Facebook probably bought it because they want
to have all the new things, so they can be the new thing.
And now Xenomax is realizing like, oh shit, we should have done that.
That's the new thing, and we gave it away.
I fucking love the oh shit for the company ten years later.
The fucking oh shit from the Nintendo Password Skylanders.
The Nintendo Skylanders.
The FF7 one.
Do you imagine how big the Nintendo could be?
The retroactive oh shit is the funniest fucking thing.
Not necessarily, just any Nintendo.
Totally, but if it was just a one system, it might be sure.
But it's still yes, of course.
The reason why this is always hilarious is because it's a no-brainer to everyone else
on the planet.
Everyone else immediately sees what's up, and the one person that could be the decision
maker is like, ah, the no.
The one I can think of that's probably the most obvious is the Xbox One DRM thing, or
all the people that got to decide.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And everyone in the public, and from what I can tell, most of the people who worked
for Microsoft were also like, no, no, stop, just change the one thing.
Some of the best jokes in the industry are based on retroactive oh shits, man.
Like, the difference between Nintendo being a traditional, like, can be like, somewhat
not very thinking of the future sort of company, and Xenomax Evil, is that if Nintendo then
sees you become super powerful with Skylanders, they're not gonna fucking sue you for it?
They're gonna go, good job!
Yeah, if anything, they'll patch you on the bag and say, you sure got us!
Please enjoy this WiiU Skylander.
I'll take another price cut now, thank you.
Fuck, man, like, that's when you would expect to see people resigning.
You know what I mean?
In fuckups.
Like, Xenomax, head of whatever, bored, just, everybody just walked out.
You locked out the ultimate proof that Xenomax is just as evil, but they're quiet.
Who's the head of Activision?
Bobby Kotick.
Who used to be the head of EA?
Rich Spaghetti.
Rich Cicello.
Oh, Rich Cicello.
Johnny Patron.
Who's running Xenomax?
Rich Cicello?
No.
I don't know.
Nobody knows who's running Xenomax.
Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.
Like, who's actually sending this release out?
I don't know.
It's hard to grab onto it.
And the third individual in Kiev.
And the most evil individual is the one you cannot define.
But that also means they have no scapegoat.
They can't blame it on somebody and change it up.
They do for the shareholders, certainly.
Sure.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
So someone's got to shake their hands.
It's like Gygis.
Yeah.
A red blob.
You can't grasp the concept of it.
The shapeless evil that put out Elder Scrolls Online.
So everyone, please pray against Xenomax.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe the evil within will be good.
Maybe.
Do we have any word from our sponsor?
That won't as well.
That won't make Xenomax any less evil.
Yeah, we do.
We do.
Wait, hold on.
We got words from our sponsor?
We do have words from our sponsors.
Oh, my God.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
This week, the show is sponsored by Hulu Plus.
Ah, fine purveyors of Hulu Plus.
Good old Hulu Plus.
Yes.
That is what they are.
That's true.
That's what they are.
Yeah, totally.
Very good.
They are purveyors.
Everyone's a purveyor.
Well, I hear a purveyor.
I think of digital media.
I think of an old Monopoly man with a top hat and a mustache.
And a monocle.
Yeah.
And he's going like, look here.
I have, but it's digital.
So the analogy starts to break down visually.
And this time he's here with his iPad saying, here's Hulu Plus.
Yeah.
Try Hulu Plus.
Under the top hat, he's got a red mohawk and shit.
And he's really like, really hip and with it.
Yeah.
That's silly.
That's falling apart.
Yeah.
Well, now she's not working.
What does work is Hulu Plus, however.
Yeah.
So if you head on down to huluplus.com slash super, you can check out the wide, wide array
of things to watch.
Can you watch these on demand?
Any time, any place.
That's what on demand is.
It's 4 a.m.
I'm like just, I need to drown out the crap in my head with digital content.
And you want to do it on one of your many devices.
Yeah.
Or all of them at the same time.
If you so inclined.
Yeah.
You jump on the Hulu Plus.
You'll watch what you want when you want it.
So what are we watching today?
Today we're going to go through the backlog of WWE Superstars, Monday Night Raw, SmackDown,
NXT.
Yeah, NXT's the best.
If you need to get up to date on like who's up and coming?
Who's the new hotness?
Who's up and coming?
Paige.
Paige is on NXT.
You're obsessed with Paige.
Well, remember when I talked about her last?
She did with the page turner.
Yeah, the page turner.
Then she went on the next night to win the Divas title.
True, true.
It's almost like you're way in there, man.
It's almost as if I knew that result was going to happen.
You can even catch some of the live shows and dark matches that were recorded on Superstars,
right?
Yeah, sure.
The Superstars show.
Yeah, they're not dark anymore.
Yeah, no.
That's weird.
We're getting light and the light meter is going on.
It's like you have a dark match.
You just shine a little flashlight on it.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Put a camera.
That's literally what they're doing.
Yeah.
Camcorder in there.
Okay.
A little Fuji film camcorder.
That's weird, man.
Yeah.
That's weird.
It's fine.
It's great.
It works.
So yeah, you got to hit on down to huluplus.com slash super.
You get your two weeks free to stick all the WWE entertainment you can want ever into
your brain.
Entire eras at once.
That's a lot of Randy Orton.
It really is.
That's the most whenever you can get.
I think you could probably get like 24 hours times two.
Like if you just did nonstop.
Yeah.
No sleep.
You could sleep this for like a year.
You could do like a year.
You could.
Totally.
Mind.
Yeah.
And hey, you know what?
If it turns out you like it and you keep it even longer, you can do more than that.
You could probably slow down the pace then.
Should ya?
Should ya?
Maybe not.
I don't know.
At on down.
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How many titles are there to choose from?
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That's tough.
How many?
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Why is she a lot higher than I thought?
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That's a lot.
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And some of those titles include the works of Mr. Max Brooks, who you might have heard
of.
That's that guy that wrote that documentary about zombies.
Pretty much.
He just got his camcorder, went out on the streets and filmed LA.
Yep.
Yep.
I read the handbook.
It's absolutely great.
The zombie survival guide.
The handbook is so dry.
It is.
It's so biting dry.
It's perfect.
It's perfect, though.
The zombie survival guide is the exact, like you said, description of how to survive a
zombie apocalypse.
And then once you read that, you can go on to read the stories of how people did survive
in the original World War Z book, also by Max Brooks.
It is now like, I reread that book like every year, and it's completely ruined zombie fiction
for me.
Because it's way best.
Because of the amount of detail.
It's got so much like, stupid grit and nitty, tiny details that nothing nobody else like
actually gives a shit about.
Yeah.
And so now I was like, well, how did they get the bullets, though?
Exactly.
It's like how we talk, when we talk about like the best cop drama ever, it ruins other cop
dramas.
It's like that situation here, where you're like, how are you going to go with dumb zombies
after this one?
You know all the details.
Well, I always like the reason why you're unimpressive walking dead part two of the second
season.
You're like, Clementine, come on.
That's not how that would work.
I always like that one story in the World War Z.
I think it's the Japanese guy who's in his apartment building.
Yeah, and it takes him like a week to get out of his high rise.
Yeah, because he's safe, but he's got no food and shit.
So, climb down 30 balconies.
Climbs.
And it doesn't work.
Liam, you said World War Z, now they're going to be on to you.
Yeah, sure.
They know.
You can swap them however you want.
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It's a lot of audio books.
To choose from.
We covered how many?
How many?
150,000.
Wait, we covered two.
We covered two.
We covered two.
Yes.
Out of like 150,000 plus.
There you go.
There you go.
I'm sure they add more books over time so we can never get an exact number.
So we'll just say over 150,000.
Yep.
A shit ton of books.
Did you even listen to it in your lifetime?
You'd be dead.
Someone's got to do the math on that.
I don't know.
Somebody's got to check out.
Nope.
No, there's no way.
There's no way.
Nonetheless, thank you Audible.
Thanks Audible.
Once again.
Thank you.
All right.
What do we got here, Matt?
Yeah, what did you hand us?
We're doing a taste test of Oreo.
In the middle of the fucking pocket.
Yeah.
We're doing a taste test of Oreo 25th anniversary birthday cake ice cream bars.
So ice cream sandwiches have always been kind of our thing.
Yeah, but we stopped because we had to get out of the game.
Wow, that's a fucking great.
Pulling me back in.
That's so good.
Fuck.
It doesn't just taste like Oreo.
It tastes like a bit like cake.
It tastes like a birthday cake.
Oh.
It's a birthday ice cream cake.
Where's the ice cream from?
This is going to destroy me.
It tastes like an ice cream cake made out of birthday cake that's also made out of ice cream.
It tastes like happiness.
God damn it.
I have to buy these now.
No.
So I ran out of podcasts.
I'm going to have this on audio.
With man-sucking noises.
Yeah, no, totally.
I'm man-sucking the shit out of this birthday cake ice cream.
Mr. Christy, if you're listening, send us some of these.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not sure if it's Mr. Christy.
I think it's Nabisco.
Oh shit.
Nabisco.
Mr. Nabisco.
Come on.
That's my sugar for the rest of the day.
There you go.
All right.
We got some more news, bro.
Oh, but this is so good.
This is all the news I need.
Hey, News Slash is going in your mouth.
The most important extra feature in Ultra was just figured out today.
What?
And it was super fucking like no one saw it.
No one caught anything.
We don't even have video of it.
We have a screenshot.
A single screenshot and it's great.
What is it?
The most important thing, the death of the button chat.
What?
You press back on the character's left screen.
You fucking set your buttons.
You set your buttons on the character's left screen like a modern day fighting game should.
As a bunch of most vanilla games have been doing, we are finally there.
Yeah.
Wow.
I don't know where this was a thing.
We're still.
I thought they fixed it in Arcade Edition or something.
No.
We're not there yet, Liam.
Because in the first strike online, you tap to put the buttons where they need to be.
Yeah.
And here you still have to scroll because that's a Japanese thing.
Oh, fuck that.
So we're not there yet.
Because you need your multi-button thing.
Yes.
That sucks.
Why?
That's the dumbest.
It is.
Blame Soul Caliber.
Why?
And Tekken.
Hey, give me some of that ice cream.
No.
Of course.
I know it was really good.
You got to play in Japan.
And Seth Killian explained it exactly.
Basically, in Japan, besides the fact that they have a very specific way of doing things.
You got the ice cream on your wrist.
Oh, no.
On your wrist?
There's some on your crotch, too.
What?
No, there isn't.
You liar.
Did you look at your dick?
I did.
You got me.
I didn't want to look there, but you made me look.
And then it was explaining that they have that scrolling system because they always have
more features than buttons.
Right?
Yeah.
So when you want to map something, that's not just a combination.
If you want to map two together of an assortment, or some other way of talking.
You need to roam and cancel to be on a button.
That's why I say Tekken and Soul Caliber.
Because remember, Tekken, you have the four.
But if you were on a controller and you were playing King and you wanted the square triangle
button to be a button, you could put it on R1 or something like that.
Sure.
But as a six-button game and you have arcade sticks in this whole situation, they want
you to have those options in case you have to do some kind of weird hybrid controls.
That being said, I still think the tapping should take priority.
At the very least, when they make the North American versions, why don't they change it?
No, it's too much work.
This is the one thing like America is trouncing Japan in terms of fighting games.
Because simple options.
It's like a stubbornness thing.
Like Seth said at the time, he's like, look, I can talk to the devs and I get in.
But they're not gonna listen.
No, he's like, I get in only so much FaceTime per week and I can spend the week talking
about that and convincing them or something more important.
Sure.
We can't do that anymore, but at the time, that's what he was saying.
Now, Carmel Fiend tends to pick a fashion at the time.
And Carmel Fiend's gonna be like, yo, hey, guys, come on.
Like, that's his argument.
But buttons, man, come on.
If he does it enough.
We also got, I guess, well, the big highlight of Liam's Week, certainly, is that PlayStation
blog posts in which 12 new games were announced.
Yeah, that was a really good one.
I wouldn't say how that in my week, but that was a really good one, for sure.
The reason why you won the lottery was pretty good.
Yeah, I know.
Well, the reason why that's important to me is because Nidhogg is fucking on that one.
Yeah, Nidhogg on console.
So that's news.
Nidhogg is the shit.
Two more great Metroid, great looking Metroidvanias, a chasm and axiom something.
That had a whole thread devoted to it on the graph.
Now, everybody has no excuse to avoid getting the dick.
PlayStation is just saying, hey, Indies, come inside us.
Yeah.
We want you.
They want the dick.
They want the dick.
And they got it.
They got it.
They got the dick.
They got just the tip.
Yeah, they did.
Yeah, just the tip.
Yeah.
Narwhal.
Starwall.
There will be soon no excuse for people not to play Nidhogg.
Yeah.
Like, that's what?
Like us.
Yeah, like us.
Could there ever be too many dick jokes in a list of game announcements going on there?
No, no, no.
The answer is no.
We haven't hit a list yet where we were satisfied.
Yeah.
Here you've got two pre-made for you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not bad.
But there needs to be more.
Not pre-made dick jokes.
Just don't do it for me.
No.
No.
The other bit of...
Really cool, though, for sure.
The other bit of like new game news announcements, whatever you want to call it, is something
that I feel like both Matt and Liam, you guys should both have caught or have it on your
radar.
It's a strange overlap.
Mother Russia bleeds.
Yeah.
Mother Russia bleeds.
Mother Russia bleeds.
Streets of Final Fight and mix it with your hotline Miami.
But...
And just in terms of like extreme gore violence.
I was talking to Liam about this before you got here, but...
They were.
I watched them.
I was actually kind of...
You know what?
This looks great mechanically, but I'm not a huge fan of how this looks because it looks
exactly like Time Slaughter.
It does.
I don't...
Whoa, that sounds awesome.
It's not awesome.
It's one of the worst...
It's just this PC exclusive fighting game from 1934.
No, I know exactly what it is.
But if it plays awesome, yeah.
It plays awesome, but me and Liam also know like your character is addicted to drugs.
Game looks really great.
Yes.
But I was like, man, I don't want to be like injecting my guy with stuff every other minute.
But no, you're not in control of it.
I want floor meat.
You're a drug addict.
Yeah, but I want floor meat.
But it's not youth.
I know.
I know.
I'm gonna play it.
Me and Liam's probably gonna be good.
We wish this was more like aesthetically, a traditional beating them up and not trying
to be extreme.
Because if you're like, we love Streets of Rage and all those types of games, but we
got to do this.
It's like, no, you don't need to.
You know, because Haul on Miami just did it, and it's doing it again with wrong number
in fall.
Are you pointing at me?
And I'm like, because you're fall.
And the Chinese...
The Chinese showdown.
Whatever.
The Chinese throw-down.
Throw-down.
Throw-down.
Whatever.
It's a game that's like Haul on Miami.
Remember when we talked about the podcast?
Scott Dawes.
Oh, that one.
See?
The Chinese massacre?
Yeah.
When I looked at this one, like, I don't know.
I want to see more about it, because I want to make sure it's not trying too hard.
Maybe.
But it looks cool.
And the grab animation.
But guess what?
All indie games.
The grab animation, which was a nice, like, over-the-back throw.
Oh, the analysis you've already made.
Yeah.
The analysis.
What is it?
There's already that grappling's way better than most other games.
Okay.
And he did the toss-up at the end as well.
Because you have multi-directional throws already.
Yeah.
A neutral toss-up into whatever you want.
The biggest thing I'm waiting for is if you have an air attack that doesn't knock the
opponent down, how long is their hit stun?
That is to say, can they hit you before you recover from your attack?
Yeah.
Send Goku 3, motherfucker.
Yeah.
They're in free alpha now.
They said that they're going to have a crowdfunding campaign, and I'll look at a little more.
And I'll probably throw some money at it, but I wish it looked different.
You know, your lukewarmness, it's kind of funny in a way, because I don't remember what the
project was, but you guys came to me with something else.
I was like, wooly, this looks exactly like your thing.
Right.
And I'm like, eh, it's almost as if, like, whatever some case comes out, funny.
I forget which one you're using.
I don't remember either.
The only thing I can remember recently was Hover.
But it was way before Hover.
It was in the single-digit episode.
Yeah.
And, like, whatever there's something that's way too on the money, it's almost as if, like,
we were not going to be as into it as you think.
There's going to be something extra critical.
That's the thing.
It's like, you're actually completely right.
This is totally for you.
It's so much for you that you are going to find something about it.
That just breaks it for you.
Yeah.
I don't like being told this is made for me.
You can't put a label on a lifetime.
Because you know this is the game that you're going to get messages about all week.
Everyone's going to spam you.
Hey, did you see that publisher thing with the guy?
Yeah, I saw it coming.
You know what it was?
You know what it was?
It was Kung Fury.
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
We saw Kung Fury and we're like, yeah, you're right.
This is exactly our thing, which is why we're way so critical about what we're seeing.
Me and Liam, I think, were more critical of Kung Fury than anyone I think it was.
Yeah, I think so.
But, yeah.
But, like, it's totally that situation again.
You're like, the nail way too hard on the head.
For me, with Beat'em Ups, there's so many, like, little things.
Just like a fighting game where, like, there's one little thing wrong.
It permeates the whole game.
Whereas when an outsider happens to graze the genre.
Yeah, you guys were like, yeah.
An example for me is people were like, oh, man, Beautiful Joe's awesome.
Pat, you love character action.
You love Kung Fury.
You must love Beautiful Joe.
You must love Beautiful Joe.
And I just go, baby punches.
Yeah.
And that's the end of it.
That's the total end of it.
It's like, ah.
Yeah.
Like, what, really?
All these good things that you like with this one bad thing.
You're like, yeah, this happens to be the just right bad thing.
Exactly.
It's like, oh.
Yep.
Opinions, eh?
Just make his arms fucking longer, come on.
Like, twice as long.
Like, twice as long.
What you want, like, Sonic?
Yes.
Whereas arms are just dragging on the floor and it's Beautiful Joe?
Make his head a little smaller, too.
Whatever.
Beautiful forever, man.
Sick of shit.
And on that note, talking about the character action and the stuff that's super for us,
I found it really funny that this week Destructoid put out an article basically talking about
the shit we've been preaching for years, which is the best-
We preach about a lot, so you're going to need to do that.
Yeah, but this is one that's like, it's a tenet.
It's in our ten commandments.
This is a really good one.
Um, the best boss fights involve getting picked on by someone your own size.
Oh, seriously?
Yeah.
That's the fucking article?
That's the article.
Holy shit.
That's the best way to say it.
No, but-
13 years late, Destructoid.
Yeah.
If you want more.
But you know what?
At least other people are catching on to this concept that we fucking, like, live
breathe, eat, sleep, break.
The most recent DMC is such a good example, because that boss fight against Moondas is
fucking awful.
Yeah.
And the boss fight against Virgil is the best part of the whole game.
Well, and I'm surprised, and I'm like, could you imagine if Virgil turned into a giant
monster as the perfect example of not getting that?
That's the worst.
That's why Ocarina of Time, despite being one of the best games ever, does the order wrong.
And Twilight Princess does the order right.
Yeah.
Me, whenever I think about the fun fighting in Ocarina, I always think of the Stalfos
and Lizalfos and the Axe Knights and not the bosses.
Yeah.
Now, granted, we talk about that because we like fighting games.
Sure.
Yes.
So people that don't like fighting games want to fight the people.
But what the article points out-
That being said, talking about Dark Souls 2, you're kind of disappointed that you don't
have cool, awesome, big bosses.
There's way too many or dudes.
You have to have a mix.
You have to have many or bad, so...
Yeah.
But the thing about it that the angle this article takes, which is, again, a part of
what we say, is that the whole deal is because they're on your level, it's totally like a
fair fight.
And you are being bested because you are not good enough.
Yeah.
Not because bullshit size, bullshit hit boxes, whatever.
Or at least, that's the feeling that's conveyed.
They give a list as well, while they're talking about the stuff, and on the list is-
Who's number one?
That's all in there.
It's not a ranking.
Oh.
It's just a list.
And the first thing on the list is Gwyn.
That's a bad choice.
Sure.
That's a Dark Souls boss.
They don't know enough about video games.
Yeah, that's one of the worst bosses in Dark Souls 1.
But they do describe that Dark Souls, in general, does the boss vices right because-
Artorias is the pick up from that game.
Artorias or the King from Demons?
I'm saying that there's multiple in Dark Souls, and they say there's multiple in Dark Souls.
They show a screenshot of Gwyn.
But that's there.
It goes on to then show Virgil, of course.
Of course.
Because I'm Virgil.
DMC3 Virgil.
Good.
Good.
Because I'm reading this article, and I'm like, if he's not in this-
I'm going to close this fucking computer.
You made the right point, but I know you're not serious, or you made it for the wrong reasons
because you picked the wrong people.
Yeah, for sure.
I genuinely hope that Liquid Ocelot's on there.
Third is Yellow 13.
I love the Liquid Ocelot.
Sure, but it's not.
I mean, they're-
Ace Combat 4.
Oh, yeah!
Yeah!
That motherfucker!
Ace Combat 6, they fucked it up by giving the guys super spaceship.
But you could be an idle master skin.
And then they pulled one that I would have never guessed, but is totally right.
Star Wolf.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Star Wolf is fucking-
Star Wolf and the Star Wolf team is just you rivals.
They're rivals.
Yeah.
No, totally.
I forget because they're not humans.
Oh, I thought you were going to say because their series is dead.
Oh, God.
And then at the bottom of the article, you've got The Boss.
The Boss.
Yeah.
What are you going to do?
Fucking not have The Boss?
Fuck out of here.
It reminds- this kind of talk reminds me of a- I saw an interview with Kamiya when he-
There was an interview.
He was doing the LP for Bayonetta.
He made a Let's Play of Bayonetta.
Yeah, I remember that.
And the joy came about and the joy is the-
The Conan and the Boss.
The rival enemy.
Yeah.
And you fight three at a time and he was talking about how when they originally put joy into
the game, like they just gave the character Bayonetta's moveset.
Moveset.
And it was impossible.
It was like completely impossible.
It was this super God-like unbeatable and you would fight three simultaneously.
Right.
And so they just like, okay, tone it down.
Tone it way up.
Take eight percent of her moves out.
Yeah.
It's like shit.
I was going to say like, but then Jean and it's like no way Jean has her own moveset.
Yeah.
And I think that they took some of that and put that into the very, very final secret
super boss of the- Yeah.
Alphime is Bayonetta with her moves.
And I believe it's just like that, but just unlocked with-
It's impossibly hard.
Yeah.
It's stupidly hard because it's a character playing York.
It's the computer playing your character at computer speed.
Sure.
And the main thing with that is not even like if the AI is good, but it has that many moves.
You can't learn a pattern.
You can't fucking react to shit because it's cancelling on you.
You know what I mean?
Like what are you supposed to do to stop a cancel?
It's like the good old days of like Capcom and SNK bosses like reading your super motions.
Oh, your inputs, reading your inputs.
That fucking bullshit.
That was unbelievable.
It's like they're blocking on frame zero when the fireball comes out.
Because they know.
Fuck you.
Or you get DP'd the moment your pre-jump frame starts.
Exactly.
Honorable mentions on the list as well.
Go to Protoman.
Yep.
Shadow Link.
Yeah.
Jean.
Yeah.
Um, Fake Trevor.
From?
Sifa and Grant.
Oh, from Castlevania.
Castlevania.
Oh, yeah.
Fake Trevor, yeah.
Oh, that's a pull.
Yeah.
Castlevania has a lot of good human-sized bosses.
Fake Rector.
One of my favorite was Julia Sarra.
Crazy Rector.
Crazy, yeah.
Possessed Rector by Shaft.
Yeah.
I liked fighting, um, fuck, what's his name, in Portrait of Rune.
What an amazing, memorable boss.
You fight Rector.
Yeah, it's Rector.
Exactly.
Straight up Rector again.
Rector's at home.
Matt, are you stuck in one-liner mode?
Do we have to come over and reset your batteries?
Every time you guys go, oh, there's an amazing thing.
Oh, god, what's his name?
I can't remember.
We're old now, Matt.
Yeah.
What a memorable fight.
You do that all the time.
I do.
You do that all the time, old man.
I do.
You're the oldest person in this room.
Most experienced, I'd say.
Most knows the most about life.
It's okay.
Well, that is, wait, hold on.
Let me look around the room.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Any other group of people.
I'd be the worst.
It's fine, Matt.
You're buffing my dreams.
That's true.
You know it every night.
You're getting, like, just, I can see a debiant art page just
being created.
A worry with a thought bubble of Theo Buff.
It's canon.
It's not even fake.
I can't explain it.
You can.
I'm trying.
You can totally explain it.
Yeah, but I'd rather not because it's latter time.
It's latter time.
Liam, do the latter thing.
SuperBestFriendCast at gmail.com.
Nothing waiting to say in this week, folks.
SuperBestFriendCast at gmail.com.
If you had dreams about us being ripped in your dream,
send us a picture that you drew of us being ripped in your dream.
Also, let me take a minute to specify.
It's SuperBestFriendCast at gmail.com.
Not any other variant, not any other combination of the words
or any other show that we do.
We're not going to get those emails.
Because some people have been sending them to other people
who have similar but not identical to SuperBestFriendCast
at gmail.com.
Why are you sending me these questions?
Exactly.
So without even saying what those ones are,
don't send it to anything else.
There's a guy on Twitter whose name is AngriestMet,
and he's like, can you please tell people to stop?
Oh my god.
Yeah.
No.
Give me followers.
Fortunately, the person or people have been nice
and just been forwarding it to me,
and I've been messaging the people back.
But yeah.
That's how it happens.
That's when we don't have a special email,
like a website email, like at SuperBestFriend.com
or whatever.
No, but we say it twice if not three times every week.
So please, you know.
With that being said, Matt wants to know.
Yes, it's weird.
I want to know.
I need to know why you guys aren't working hard.
I'm working right now.
We're all working.
Yeah.
That's the question.
This is Zybat Sue.
I wanted to ask about portables.
Do you guys play your portables with pristine clean screens,
or do you really care about having a scuffed screen?
I care, yeah.
I have a cloth with me at all times.
I have a microfiber cloth.
Exactly.
In every case that I own for every handheld,
that all have screen protectors on,
and I have a backup Vita
in case the original Vita gets a scratch.
I care until the first scuff happens,
and then I don't give a fuck anymore.
Then I start looking for a new revision.
Yeah, I'm a man.
I'm waiting for the whole, I don't really care.
I'm not like a prissy person that loves to, you know.
Yeah, you know, he's not a prissy person.
He's got that black spot in the middle of his TV.
Yeah, you can totally tell.
Or the connect fell.
Yeah, you can totally tell that.
Hey, can you see the game? Is it there?
Very nice.
It's fine.
You know, fuckers all did testing.
You're all used to playing with grungy, destroyed equipment.
I think it too.
That was really nice equipment as well.
You would know I'm the one guy
who would grab my new 360 controller
that someone hands me, and it'd shit all over me,
and I'd immediately go to the bathroom
and fucking scour it.
Really?
Fuck that.
Too much dick juice on this.
Oh man.
You can feel it on the 360 controllers
other than any glasses.
Oh yeah.
It's just that Sony ones get really bad.
You can hand it to a 360 controller
and you're like, oh, is this one of the old ones
that was like not matte?
And it's like, no.
No.
This used to be matte.
And now it's fucking gloss.
No longer.
You know, it's a problem.
Disgusting.
Oh yeah.
Either way, yeah,
especially you know what's going to happen
on your portable screens with no cover on them.
Whatever.
Even my fucking Neo Geo Pocket Color Case
has a microfiber cloth in it.
Everything's got to be clean.
I can show you my 2DS right now.
It is Christy.
Sure.
I looked at the 2DS that I just bought this week
and I'm looking at this and I'm like,
this is pretty cool,
but a couple pocket pulls later.
Ah, see, that's the trick.
I don't let my portables into my pockets or anything.
You don't go outside.
They go into the case
and then the case goes into a backpack.
The backpack is put in a commemorative tote.
Ah, so that's the trick.
You have to be out of your fucking mind.
See, folks, it's not that hard.
It's my DS in my pocket
because it's closed and the screen doesn't get nothing.
The DS light was the only one I did that all the time with
because it was perfect.
Exactly.
But the fucking 3DS has flaws where it just scratches
its own screens.
It scratches its own screens.
It's garbage and the Vita doesn't fit in your pocket.
And if you've got a GBA micro
and you're not wearing it as your belt buckle,
then what's wrong with you?
What is wrong with you?
That's fine.
Also, PSPs go on your chest.
I feel like the GBA micro thing,
Game Boy Micro,
is just like an excuse to like,
hey, why don't you play this Game Boy Micro
down on my belt?
Oh, you'll have to get down there then.
Hey, Astro voice pretty good.
So, aggro, or rather argos.
Argo.
Argo.
Argo.
Asks, actually a question that we've already answered before,
which was,
if you could rescue a game from development hell
or cancellation low to B,
but I'm going to change it.
Last Guardian.
I'm going to change that
because we've already done that.
I'm going to change it to,
if you could bring back a dead console.
Bring back a dead console?
Yeah, in terms of like,
the company that made it,
like making a new version of it,
or something along those lines.
Nintendo DS Lite.
Well, I mean, obviously it's a Dreamcast too.
Let's go with the three companies
that are not active right now.
Like, excluding the three companies
that are active right now.
Neo Geo.
I'd bring back like the Neo Geo.
Yeah.
Does that mean SNK gets to live?
Yeah.
Oh, I do that.
I mean, they get to bring it back
and start selling it.
So, if it's a good product,
they really do.
Probably because I don't have a lot of intense love
for all the failed consoles.
I'd bring,
I'd go for the Nomad.
Sega Nomad.
That was the shit.
That idea, though.
Dude, that was just a portable Genesis.
You couldn't even beat Comic Zone on it.
That's the idea of a portable
like main console like that was pretty cool.
But you can buy Genesis games on like other things.
But the idea, again, of like the port...
You mean like a PlayStation portable?
Well, if you could give me a Vita,
and then I could plug controllers into the Vita
and plug the Vita into my TV,
that would be the shit.
You can!
Well, with a separate product.
Not an actual Vita.
But that's what I'm saying.
Which we only are now going to get our hands on.
No, we're not.
If the original product was the handhelds console
that also doubles as a fucking console console,
that's awesome.
I'd love that.
That's exactly what I was saying Nintendo should make!
Yeah!
We didn't agree with it.
It's a great idea.
Bring back the termographics.
Why?
Why?
Because it was a good console.
Wasn't it?
Walk died before his time.
I played it as termographics.
And you look on it now,
YouTube people are like,
here are all the amazing things about the termographics.
It failed because they didn't have any marketing.
It was actually a good machine, though.
I don't know if you've ever like...
Yes!
Maybe?
No, I don't know.
Well, you say I guess,
but like you're defending the nomads.
No, I'm not.
Give us something.
No, I'm not.
No, sure.
I mean what?
The MSX had metal gear
and Sega CD had snatcher.
Everything's got a thing.
You know what I mean?
Whatever.
Bring back the Sega CD.
I'd still just go Dreamcast 2
because Sega was at like
a really high point of good game development.
And when you look at all the early Xbox Sega games
that were just fucking stolen by Microsoft,
like the Dreamcast 2.
How did they steal them?
How did they steal them?
Well, you could probably tell it better than I did.
No, the Sega published them.
They did.
They did publish them,
but like there's rumors about
how the whole situation went down
when they were first making their console
and what belonged to who and stuff.
Right, but ultimately it's still
Sega's like sort of...
Yeah!
They made the decision.
When you have a full developed game,
you don't just not publish it.
Yeah.
So they had a bunch of games.
No, sometimes you do.
What company was that that makes disaster report?
Yeah.
Why?
No, no.
The company that doesn't exist anymore
because they didn't publish their game?
No, they still exist.
I thought they did.
Oh, no, that's a different company.
That's IREM, I think.
Yeah.
They're gone.
They're gone.
Or tell that to Shenmue online.
Yeah.
Sure.
Fuck!
That was the first game
that I could remember seeing the trailer
just like immediate reactions like,
that's not coming out.
Yeah.
Like the first game I'm like,
Yeah!
Yeah!
I totally doubt you.
Yeah.
You feel the cancellation.
Nothing about it.
Yeah.
Like that's...
No.
That's...
Oh, man.
Yeah.
It's like, we're announcing are you?
Really?
Really?
Just announce me.
No, you're right.
No, you're right.
All that will remain of this game.
Brad wants to know,
what are your wallpapers on your desktops?
I think it's still Kill a Kill right now.
Because there's a lot of good fan art floating around for that.
So it's just one,
I have a dual screen set up,
so it's just one of Satsuki on one,
and Ryuko on the other,
and they're fighting.
Cool.
Mine is that awesome...
Yours, Jesus.
Awesome.
No, no, I don't do that anymore.
Mine's that awesome piece of fan art that,
I forget his name,
so start with Z,
with you shooting the lasers?
Yeah, I'm shooting the lasers,
and I'm holding two fetus,
and Liam's in a princess dress,
and we're all fighting much zombies.
I really, really like it.
That was a good one.
Yeah.
Right now, it's like one of those
1080p screenshots of Smash that came out.
Yeah, those look good.
Samus and...
Samus.
It's some zero suit
and regular suit,
Samus just comes in there.
Oh, and she's wearing the bunny thing,
the bunny hood, right?
No.
No, just the two of them.
Oh, you changed it then?
No, your brain just did that.
Yeah, I changed it.
No, because you had that one before.
No, I didn't.
And what about you, William?
Mine is Korra from Tron...
Legacy.
It's been that for a couple of years.
I don't see a reason to change it,
motherfucker, do you?
I guess not.
I can think of a hundred.
Are you thinking of strands of hair?
Which is best?
Yes.
From Patrick.
Which is best?
Yes.
Sundare, kudare, yandere.
Yandere.
Yandere is like the funnest thing ever.
Sundare is the best.
P.S., your wife who was shit.
Oh, yeah, it is.
That's the ultimate.
That's it.
That's it.
What's his guy's name?
What's his guy's name?
Patrick.
Yeah, fuck you, Patrick.
It's like, hey man, hey man, which band do you like?
I like this band.
You band sucks!
Yeah.
The band you like.
My wife likes you.
I like you.
That's my favorite ever.
I hate the band you like.
It just encompasses everything.
It also has to be yelled at from like a long distance away.
I hate you.
I hate the band you like.
It's everything.
It's all men's complexity.
I love my wife when she loves me, so your opinion doesn't matter.
But yandere is funny.
Liam, you're going to have to show your power level and explain what kudare is because I
don't know what that is.
I thought my head edged on.
Oh, okay.
Wow.
Whatever.
Damn, stoked.
I don't know what's going on with yandere, but I don't know this and all these motherfuckers.
The worst thing is I've heard it a million times, but I just don't care enough to look
into it.
It's like yandere is way more interesting.
It's the one with the hat.
It's some other form of obsession, like figuring it out.
Hold on.
Hold on.
All right.
Well, we can't.
You keep going.
No, I've got it.
I got it.
Because it's probably just they like you, but they don't actually.
That's tsundere.
No, no, no.
No, a kudere is the is a tsundere type character that different that switches between, no,
that's wrong.
That's not accurate at all.
TV tropes.
Fuck you.
Go to this other side.
Wait, you're you're yelling at TV tropes.
No, it was it was a.
Urban dictionary.
It was Urban Dictionary.
Oh, that's what.
Come on.
Wow.
It is a kudere is like snow.
It can be cold and harsh at first glance, but also what keeps autumn seeds warm and safe
until spring.
Oh, I see exterior warm interior mood swinger.
It's literally the ice queen trope.
Yeah.
But with Ray mood swings back and forth and the picture that they use is Raven from Teen
Titans.
Well, not that then.
No, that's not the best.
That sucks.
Shit.
Anyway, tsundere forever.
Yeah.
Fuck you.
Yeah.
Fuck you.
Do you have another question?
I hate the wife's.
You lie.
I hate you.
I hate the wife.
I love how you can change like two letters there and it becomes like really vicious.
Yeah.
And it's like, I hate your wife.
Like what?
Who's your wife?
This girl.
I hate your wife.
I hate her because she likes you.
That makes her dumb.
Getting personal.
This one's, I can't pronounce the first name, so I'm going to just say Marquez.
Okay.
Marquez.
I'll say Marky Mark.
Oh.
Okay.
Alex here.
Wow.
It's so hard to pronounce.
No.
The name of the toss is.
The name at the top, the from, is different from the actual body.
Well, you don't have to explain how you can't read now.
Read the letter.
No, keep pushing it.
It's cool.
Yeah.
I stopped pushing it.
Now you're pushing it?
No, but then I back down from it.
Yeah.
I was going to read the letter.
It's all back down.
Like when you asked me to read the fucking tea this early on, that really was nothing.
No, wait.
No, wait.
You read it, you read it right.
It was for perfect English.
It was for perfect English.
It was for perfect English.
It was for perfect English.
It was for perfect English.
It was for perfect English.
Perfect.
Perfect.
All right.
So what's Al want to know?
Al wants to know.
Or own, work for, burn down.
Own, work for, burn down.
We're going to play again.
We're going to play again.
We're going to play again.
This time around, the three are Sucker Punch, Naughty Dog, and Rockstar.
Sucker Punch still exists, right?
Yeah.
They made infamous.
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
Okay.
So I find it's Sucker Punch, Naughty Dog, and.
Rockstar.
Rockstar.
I find this one's kind of pretty easy.
Own, Rockstar.
Yeah.
Work for Naughty Dog.
No, no.
Don't work for Naughty Dog.
Work for, work for Sucker Punch, and burn down Naughty Dog because nobody's there anyway.
I agree.
Like I'm burning down this empty warehouse.
I agree.
I agree.
Okay.
I'm going to flip that and say, own, Rockstar, work for Naughty Dog, burn down Sucker Punch
because.
Yeah, that's the same here.
Because something's probably going wrong with Naughty Dog, but until we know exactly what.
I like Last of Us more than I like Infamous.
Infamous.
So let's assume.
Yeah.
So yeah, I'm with Willis.
I'm with the same thing, but like I really feel like Rockstar is like, it's sticking out
in this situation.
I totally agree because it's fuck because you know if you own one of them, you should definitely
own Rockstar.
I would much prefer.
You want money?
You do want money.
How much?
As much as they can give me.
That's a good one.
Yeah, that's always fun.
They need to be closer.
Yeah, if it was Insomniac instead of Rockstar.
Oh, burn that motherfucker.
I burned that too, but yeah.
What is that?
What is this pointing you're doing?
I was doing hand motions and then we all decided to do dumb hand motions.
Plays really well for the podcast.
I really agree.
Really well for the audio listener.
Rebecca wants to know Pat and Liam.
Yo, what's up?
Hey, we're here.
Rebecca.
I'm Liam.
I'm Pat.
Have either of you guys played Persona 1 or Persona 2?
Yeah, I have.
Absolutely.
I do not like them.
I mean, they're perfectly good, but they're really dated.
They're really fucking dated.
It's really hard to go back.
Yeah, they're good.
They're so cheap nowadays that if you want to give one a go, go for it.
It's one of those things where it's so dated that when you set your character to attack
a monster and that monster dies, then that character's turn comes up.
They attack the empty space and you miss.
I did that once.
I'm done.
Well, if you really like Persona, I think it's five bucks on PSN.
Oh, they're dirt cheap.
Give one a go.
Yeah, because it's a perfectly good game.
I should really play in a sense in one day so I can fight Hitler.
Yeah, you should.
You can fight Hitler.
And you get to kill him.
They give him sunglasses on the North American version.
Yeah.
Let's do what it's at.
This is not Hitler.
Yeah, he's the leader or whatever.
Sure.
A master D.
Yeah, if you want.
He fights you with the sphere of destiny.
That's the weapon to fight someone.
What?
Yeah.
If you need to go into a fight, that's not a bad thing to pick up.
Yeah.
Fucking Lance and Longinus getting some play.
Imagine if they never back down, they threw that element in there.
There are plot elements in the middle of this fucking cool O.C. fight.
Yeah.
You pull up the Lance and Longinus.
There are vague Christian overtones.
There are some plot elements that are in the Persona 4 Arena series that could lead
Hitler coming back in Persona 5.
God.
You could fight Hitler once again.
Oh, I hope so.
Now he's back down to christening.
You're right.
The blood of Christ on your heads as you back down.
What is coming up on the channel?
This week?
Our channel that we have on YouTube.
It is a channel.
Oh shit, we gotta put videos on that.
Yeah, we gotta do that.
This week, we still have lots of RE4 left to go.
Yeah, we do.
We have some more one-offs to put out there.
Don't forget about the Nuzlocke.
Don't forget about Nuzlocke.
There's also, obviously, Friday Night Fist Cuffs.
Well, when is that?
That's coming up some Friday.
Oh, it's on Friday.
This week, it's Friday.
This week, it's Friday.
I forgot.
I forgot.
Nothing out of the ordinary this week, but lots of fun one-offs.
Yeah, I mean again, if anyone's interested in streaming outlast on Wednesday at 7pm Eastern.
Yeah, if you want to help Liam, not be a baby anymore.
Yeah.
You can go look at him being a baby and he'll help you.
Liam on Twitch.
Oh, and if you guys happen to see some days where more than one video goes up.
Don't be surprised.
Don't be surprised.
Yeah, could happen.
Or be pleasantly surprised.
Yeah.
Unless you see the second video and you're like, oh, fuck that.
Yeah, in which case, say that.
Then wait for the second one.
But at least we're letting you guys watch the first one.
But do go option select in those cases.
Option select your videos.
Option select your videos.
I like that.
I like that.
I like that.
You can just click your left mouse click.
Yeah.
Just get a different video.
But you click on it and then you wait.
And then you wait.
You don't release?
You don't release until the second video comes up.
So you can negative edge the second video?
Exactly.
And if you like what you see in the second video, then it confirms that.
Shit, that's tech.
Yo.
That's ridiculous.
We in there.
We in there, son.
Freaking work.
All right.
That's fine.
That's all we got.
I'm sitting here thinking like, wait, did we just finish the podcast?
Yeah, we're done.
That's fine.
That's fine.
Later guys.
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