Castle Super Beast - SBFC 265: Shameful Bowsette Folder (feat. TierZoo)
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Hi, hey, hey, ho.
What is up?
Are you there?
Mr. Zoop.
Yeah.
Hi.
How's it going?
We are joined this week by yet another guest who we have helped rise to meteoric stardom
beyond ourselves.
Hey, now.
You're really good.
Hey, now.
Let's start.
Let's start.
Let's start at the beginning.
Tier Zoo.
Tier Zoo joins.
Why don't you introduce yourself, man?
Hi, everybody.
I'm Patrick.
I run the YouTube channel Tier Zoo, which is zoology through the lens of gaming is how
you describe it.
Hi.
Yeah.
It's great to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Nice having you.
Yeah.
I mean, we're all pretty curious about like where the first idea came from, but really
like it was, I think, did you just decide to post that on our subreddit?
Is that or like, did someone link to it?
Like what happened there?
How did this, these wires get crossed?
Oh, so, so you saw it on your subreddit first.
That's how you found it.
No, somebody sent it to me and like back when like the first or second one and then I started
like retweeting all of them.
Okay.
And then people from my Twitter account started reposting it on our subreddit.
And then you, I remember you came to our subreddit.
I did.
Yes.
And talked in our comments.
Yes.
Your subreddit has been so nice to me.
They're honestly nicer to me than my own subreddit is at times.
I'm sure yours would be nicer to me as well.
So the first place that I posted a video and it was just like one video.
I decided to throw it up on our slash outside, which is very similar in theme and tone to
my videos, but it talks more about human life than animals.
But I decided I could, it could work with animals too.
So I noticed on the subreddit that it had a ton of subscribers, but it had hardly any
new content.
Like I looked at the top post and it was like six days old and I'm like, okay, so no one
is active on the subreddit despite the fact that it has a ton of people potentially viewing
it.
So I thought, oh, that's potentially a niche that could be accessed.
So I put a video on there and it got like 40,000 views in the first day.
So I was like, oh, I guess I have something here, better, better keep cranking these out.
And it worked.
And yeah, I guess someone from that subreddit sent to you and then that was the first time
that I'd ever gotten like a shout out on the podcast was when I started getting a bunch
of comments saying, oh, Pat, like, wow, Pat, like, just kind of sarcastic comments referring
to Pat.
I'm like, oh, how did they know my name already?
Like, what, where did this all come from?
And then I figured out, oh, okay, it's from some guy named Pat from the best friends.
Whoever they are.
Yeah.
Whatever the fuck that shit is here.
The LPRs.
So like did, I mean, at some point you might like, I don't know if you realized immediately
that you had gold or not, but like the speed at which your shit has grown is like Jeff
from Mother's Basement exploded, right?
But Jeff from Mother's Basement, Austin from Austin, yeah, but like your channel has exploded
to what a million in like a day.
It feels like two months.
You had gold, sir.
So it's been 14, I think 14 or 15 months since I started.
I started last July.
Really?
And yeah, but that, but still even as long as that seems, that's still the record for
educational channels.
No other educational channel has achieved that in a short timeframe.
So it's definitely been explosive.
And what has like the change to like, I would imagine perhaps your life and or time being
spent on full-time YouTubing I would imagine been like?
I mean, I really love it.
I liked my day job quite a lot too, but I of course quit to just do full-time YouTube.
I quit in March.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You look at those numbers and you go, yeah, time to fucking switch it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I was talking to someone and they were like, why are you doing anything else besides
this?
And I was like, I suppose you have a point maybe my time would be better.
This one liked his day job before he quit.
I really did.
I was a food scientist before I quit actually.
What?
That's cool.
That's actually cool.
I quit a not real job to do this, but that sounds like a real job.
You just poke like food with various forms of science like syringes.
Yeah.
Essentially.
So my job was to refine old products and design new ones for this meat company.
Really?
Yeah.
So I got to spend a lot of time like tasting and experimenting with food, which was really
fun.
I quite enjoyed it, but I enjoy YouTube more.
So I'm going to ask like a somewhat redundant question.
You went to school for some form of animal-based knowledge, right?
Yeah.
So I went to school for actually microbiology, so it's not zoology, but I didn't have to
learn quite a bit.
I went to Redfield where you did everything before you were 20 or something.
Wait, how old are you?
Ooh.
How old do you think I am?
We'll be your guess.
26.
I would say 26.
26.
Okay.
I'm 23.
Wow.
He is Chris Redfield.
Wow.
Geez.
Okay.
Yeah.
We hadn't even started this shit when we were 23.
This is the motherfucking thanks I get.
Yeah.
I actually hadn't even been at my day job for a year yet when I quit to do YouTube.
I graduated last May, so I'm still nervous.
When you just, when your idea is amazing and just carries itself and then you execute
on it, man, that's awesome.
That's a really cool instant turnaround story where I think everybody sees it and just like
video game communities, especially just immediately understand what they're looking at and just
fucking be like, I need more of this all the time.
How much can you give me because I will consume as much as you give me?
Exactly.
I was blowing off classes to fucking play games in my parents' basement when I was 23.
I was trying to play Animal Crossing instead of finishing classes.
Like I saw those, I saw like the photos of and tweets of like kids that were drawing
on, what was it?
It was like a kid that was drawing on a class school board of animals.
Yes.
A whiteboard.
Yes.
They were drawing dinosaurs with life bars on them and little damage markers.
Yeah.
I'm like, that is the cutest thing.
I love it.
That's me from 16 years ago.
It's amazing.
You know?
Like straight up like already getting that in there and the teacher like wrecked saw that
and was like, what?
Like, what are you?
Is that a tear zoo?
I know.
I love that.
That was like a teacher student bonding moment for them.
That's so, it just warms my heart really.
It just occurred to me that, hey, for anyone who doesn't know what tear zoo is, you should
probably give it a check.
Oh yeah.
I'm going to explain that it's a YouTube channel where like basically the does League of Legends
strategy meta videos for dinosaurs and cats and life in general and animals and the entire
basic like the game as it as it is described that is more or less the history.
I appreciate the like the contextualizing of the meteoric destruction of the dinosaurs
as a major nerf.
Yeah.
Precisely.
Yeah.
We're sick of them dominating the matter for so long at the recent like the number one
thing I think we all get asked is like, how do I start a YouTube channel?
Should I play Fortnite?
And you go?
No.
Absolutely.
Learn how to do the dance.
Well, no, I'm trying to sabotage them.
So you do that first as your opening statement like, yes, play whatever is popular.
That's the way to go.
And it's actually like, think of something that is kind of popular than think of a unique
spin on it.
Have a good idea.
You can do better than everyone else or you're pretty good at it.
Then get lucky.
Also that I mean, there's definitely a certain element of luck involved.
Like if I hadn't gotten that number one spot on that subreddit the first day that I posted
I might have thought maybe this isn't worth my time and then not need to see it ever know.
But I think the number one tip I would give to people is be your audience because the stuff
that I make is stuff that I would definitely watch.
If you wouldn't watch your own things, no one else is going to.
We don't watch our own things.
Yeah, no.
Also, really good advice, go back eight years ago and then start then.
Even though this guy is new, he's a weird exception.
If you're not super talented and you're not the best at it, go back 10 years.
If you can't be good, you can at least be first.
But like and then consistency, you know, like keep them coming.
Keep it coming.
Rolling that dice.
Come on, Kirby Lore.
Hope that hits gold any day now.
Roll that dice.
I thought you would never notice.
No, I don't think that's how it works.
I think the whole video series is one dice roll and you have to make a new video series
to get a second shot.
Yeah, unless there's some kind of massive Kirby subreddit out there.
See, the problem the problem is desperate for this information.
No, the problem is that the channel is not called Kirby Lore.
Yeah, it's not the ultimate one stop shop.
You're right.
Yeah, although Kirby Freakazoid's are coming down here and going,
what the fuck is a Naruto?
Yeah, you got to you got to make sure you're branded correctly.
People got to know what they're getting.
Speaking of branding, you got that like the like the rainbow look
and the icons going and whatnot.
The merch came together pretty quickly.
That's is that did you get like, did you do that yourself?
You got graphic designer friends that all came together pretty fast.
So if you go back to my first videos, if you go back to my first videos,
you'll see that I don't have the logo at all.
I didn't logo that I was using was like just trash garbage.
And then so somebody just randomly showed up on my Patreon page and said,
hey, I made this for you.
You should use this.
And it was the logo that I use now.
And I'm like, that's perfect.
I am sick.
I'm blown away.
So I was like, what's the what's the name of that person?
What's their email? OK, they work for me now.
Thank you.
I think you just cut off the call and then you jump in and hijack them
and have them do a bunch of stuff for your channel.
Because you take too long to ask them and then I ask them in the meantime.
That's how that goes.
Shout outs to Jeff.
His name was Jeff.
That's the only info that I have even had on it.
He didn't. So we're both home for anything, Jeff.
Yeah. Oh, he does work for free.
Is that what you're saying? No.
Even if they do work for free, you have to pay them.
You don't. Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Pay them, that is. Don't do the no.
No.
And I and I guess the the other thing I'm too curious to is that like
at this point, it's also like a as Matt would say,
self-perpetuating hustler's paradise because every video,
like even though I'm sure you have a giant list of ideas,
the suggestions are rolling in aggressively
exactly that you can't ever possibly run out of content.
Yes, that's very true.
I mean, there's there's every single like geological time period,
every single species on earth right now,
every single like continent I could do an episode on or like a region
specific like biome of earth.
So there's a lot of material to work with.
And that's one of the reasons I was so excited.
Eventually, the earth runs out, though.
Yeah.
And the universe hasn't been interesting in like
decades. Yeah.
But I mean, if that's shitty series life after people can make
like 200 episodes about like 200 or whatever the fuck it was
about like, what would happen to the city a hundred years from now?
Then like an actually interesting topic such as everything I think
can probably well, well, it did make a documentary.
I actually just watched that series just because my most recent video
was what would happen if humans were nerfed.
Yeah. And I thought it was a great series.
I mean, I love that show. Yeah.
I think they did a really solid job.
I mean, the cool thing about about what's going on, obviously,
as you describe these ideas here, guys, is that, you know,
the naming convention Tier Zoo just has the word zoo at the end of it.
That's right. But you could put any word there.
I could. I could do history or something like that.
Don't Tier Garden.
Don't you can you can expand all over the place.
Well, and when whenever you want to, it's crazy.
Yeah, I can kind of do what like what MatPat from Game Theory did
and just make film theory on the side.
So yeah, the possibilities are there, although the pun wouldn't be there
because I found out after I made the channel that Tier Zoo
contains a pun that I wasn't aware of.
Really? Yeah.
Because apparently Tier means animal in German.
So it's the best.
The best accident I could have ever.
Animals. No kidding.
Happy accident.
Yeah, I'm assuming that played little to no role in
like the success of a channel, but it's still fun.
Maybe in Germany, it blew up.
Maybe big German fans are like, like, all that's hilarious.
Right. I'll see if my German audiences is disproportionately large.
That would be interesting.
Right on.
So I guess we might as well roll into the weeks then.
Did you have a week?
Did you do anything with it, Mr. Zoo?
Did I have a week?
Well, recording this on Monday.
So I haven't done too much with my week.
Last week.
The past six days.
Come on.
OK, OK, OK.
Quit fucking with our balls.
You've existed for seven days.
And you know what?
Guests get to use like their entire life as their week
because they've never been on before.
That's true.
You wouldn't know if I was lying.
So that's that's a good point.
Excellent.
So one of the things I've been doing is constructing
a deck for Magic the Gathering.
I'm getting back into that.
I'm actually going to a tournament tonight.
So I built a mono green Magic the Gathering deck
for standard centered around dinosaurs, of course,
because what else would you do?
So I'm excited to test that out.
I've got some some sweet smash hitters that I'm hoping to.
Oh, my God, this makes so much sense.
Do you have an exodia in your deck?
Damn it, Willie.
Oh, what?
That's Beyblade.
Oh, shit.
Damn.
OK.
He did it to another guest.
Well, for real, though, the fact that you're way into Magic
make it's like it's complete.
It's the perfect time.
Yeah, Nana, of course, sideways.
You can just you can do that.
Apply those rules.
You just watch all of his videos and just imagine card card.
Exactly.
Also, but like you're also like the lingo of like understanding
how to make one of those videos.
Oh, yeah.
Comes from being super deep in the hole of something.
Yeah.
Like some game in there that you play to that level that you
don't know what that is.
OK, yeah.
So the game that that is, that's definitely Super Smash Bros.
All right, the newest rendition, which is Smash for Ryu.
I'm really excited for the next one, which is Ultimate.
Have I might have seen you at a tournament somewhere?
You over you ever stick your head in at Evo or anything like that?
No, I'm going to a tournament.
Relatively, one of the bigger ones.
I think it's called Frostbite.
That's next year.
So I'll be there.
But I haven't been to any of the majors yet.
I've only gone to local ones in Wisconsin.
There's one called God of Support, your local scene.
Well, if you're ever if you're ever swinging by,
come take a look at the, you know, anime and or street fighter side
of things, because I do attend.
I'm an FGC man myself.
He's like, we'd love to have you.
We are so glad to have where's my little blanket?
I got my blanket going right here. What's up? Yeah.
The the unbroken track record of guests who shower on this podcast.
Thank you, zoo. Appreciate it.
You said ultimate, not melee.
Oh, that's you said Smash 4.
OK, sorry. I thought he meant he did.
Oh, no, you had it reversed.
It remains unbroken, right?
I said it's now broken.
All right, let's do it.
See what I did there? I stole his gimmick.
OK, let's go.
Thoughts, Bayonetta, go.
Well, like, which one would win?
Do you mean or do you or do you hate?
Do you hate? Oh, I.
Well, I don't hate Fox, because Fox isn't that busted in Smash 4.
I'm sure he is in melee, but I don't play much of that.
Bayonetta Bayonetta is definitely frustrating.
Luckily, none of my friends really play Bayonetta,
so I don't have to deal with it that much.
But if they did, that's the saving grace.
I love that.
Yeah, a lot of my friends play like low to mid tier characters.
One of my one of my buds plays Toon Link.
One of them plays me sword fighter and I play Pit.
Shut up, son of a place, me sword fighter.
I know, I'm just kidding.
And you play?
I play Pit, the angel.
He's my favorite. Do you play Dark Pit?
No, Dark Pit's a sham.
Dark Pit's an alt skin.
I play the blue, the blue Pit.
That we prefer the term echo fighters, guys.
Echo fighters.
That's no, that doesn't apply to the old shit.
In retro, I say it retroactively.
It justifies their wasted slots, absolutely.
So you call like Dr.
Mario and stuff because they're not even classified as echo fighters.
And then yeah, yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
They're clones.
Echo fighters outside of their time.
You know, in retrospect, everything fits into categories.
But even Luigi's an echo fighter, really.
If you really want to, you know, don't don't you want to get real with it.
You want to get real with it.
What is Waluigi, then?
Not in Smash is what he is.
Thank you.
But is it would he be a double echo if he showed up?
He's the truest form of man.
We are all Waluigi.
Why do people care about by being a by being a reflection of nothing?
He's the only guy that doesn't get it.
He's the only guy that's not getting picked last to play on the baseball.
Yeah, everyone feels bad for him.
But I felt bad for him because I was always the last or not at all.
Sometimes the team would go, we'll just have one man less.
Wow, rather not have Matt.
And I'm like, yeah, get to sit here and play in game, boy.
Oh, it all comes together now, doesn't it?
Yeah. So what's the matchup with Pitt against?
Like, I don't know, let's say in Bousette.
Oh, God, we rolling into that.
I can tell you on that we had to.
Did you think it was not going to happen because it had to happen?
Listen, we use every part of the Bousette and I can.
And I, without knowing anything, without seeing anyone's timelines,
I have been out of the town the entire weekend.
This happened while I was away and I can immediately come in and say
and I can just feel the energy in the room is Pat is fucking sick
and disgusted of this.
And Matt, I'm not disgusted.
A folder that is auto downloading as we speak.
Yeah, no, I need to clarify.
I am in no way disgusted.
What I am is confused because I'm at 18 percent because this character
existed years ago, but now it is big now instead of before.
No, it's because of the it's because of the town.
But also I'm also confused at its it's unbelievable spread
and virus like attachment.
Did you not see the picture has all the hands colliding
and it says furry fans, fan artists, people that are just horny
and like every single hand and in the middle is the Bousette.
Zoo has your has your timeline been blessed with this just yet?
She's a dinosaur.
Peachette or Bousette.
Turtle.
Honestly, my timeline has been blessed with people complaining about it.
But I honestly haven't seen that much about.
I haven't seen that much of it myself.
OK, one guy on Twitter, his name is Parappa,
and he's just always going off on people who are talking about Bousette.
It's it's it's just hilarious.
Follow my Twitter for sure.
For us, we follow a shit ton of artists.
Yeah, so of course our feet exploded in this way.
But right now you are you are safely guarded behind Papa Bouser's hands.
They're protecting your eyes from seeing.
I mean, I definitely follow a lot of the Smash community
and some of them are into it, some of them are adamantly against it.
So can we get a last second Bousette for Smash, please?
Strop all other ultimate new choices on like,
take back Animal Crossing Girl and Ridley.
And she'll stab you over that statement.
Now, you have just unlocked a beast.
Whatever the fuck her name is.
Oh, it does get those costumes in the Bayonetta ports on the switch.
So maybe for Bayonetta three, they'll try to get sneak.
Oh, yeah, because Bayo does dress up in there.
It's true. It's true.
She puts on the fox thing and then when one of the one
of the main designers like, you know, fathers like
because lots of people have had their hands, one of the main
like fathers of Street Fighter is taking time out of his schedule
to just draw Bousette for fun.
That's when you reach global saturation, complete global saturation.
Although I can only think of, though, the fact that this is taking off
at the speed it is, someone posted a link about like the fan art level
is way higher in days than it was for the entirety of that Xenoblade.
Pyrra, Pyrra, right?
Exactly. And the fact that this is going off so fast, but like
Alpha Gambo is a get took off, but didn't have anywhere near as much momentum.
No, no one will, because I thought Shane Chompette would do it.
Chompette. I never even saw Chompette.
I saw I saw two.
I saw two or three different independent creations of Chompette
as I didn't see that.
It gets good.
But there's certain things where it just taps into something
that you were like waiting on.
And I think I feel like I feel like Bousette taps into that.
And you know what else does?
Shai Gao.
Shai Gao is also Shai Gao has the same level of like
like that.
It's just a sexy blonde with horns.
That's literally all it is.
To be fair, I prefer the red, the darker skin, red, redheaded.
That's actually more accurate.
Yeah, because why would it look more like Peach instead of more like Bowser?
I don't know, because it's when Toe Debt takes the fucking crown
and turns into Peachette, it just turns into Peach.
Yeah, well, that's because Peach is actually a Toe.
It makes very little sense.
And I'm sure we'll get into the mechanics of it.
However, your week just got hijacked by Bousette,
much like everyone's timelines.
But do go on, do go on.
Go on with with Bousette or magic.
No, it was magic.
The Gathering, which makes Oh, yeah.
We're talking about like to Bousette, because it makes perfect sense
that you're into magic, like it and or getting into the smash.
The smash. Oh, one other thing that I did.
I actually did this yesterday.
I beat the Spider-Man game.
Yes, that was really that was a great experience.
The Spider-Man game is super cool. No spoilers.
We were talking about it all last week.
And guess what?
My week is empty because it's going to be.
I played Spider-Man.
Yeah, I finished things up in it.
I already finished it, but I like it.
Yeah, I mean, you're doing it the opposite way, basically.
We are all part of the three point three million.
Yeah.
That that thing did in days, which is in no day one.
Insane, like not days, day one.
That fucking was a Forbes article that came out and said,
Spider-Man proves that with the right license,
license games can still sell.
It's fucking Spider-Man game.
It's insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And God.
And the camera.
But Insomniac has like a pretty solid track record.
Spider-Man is one of my favorite franchises of all time.
I'm really hoping Spider-Man gets into Smash.
I mean, really, Sony has a good track record of throwing money
at things to get in front of people's eyes,
because as pretty solid as a game it was,
like Sunset Overdrive didn't sell all that well
because Microsoft is bad at this stuff nowadays.
They're bad at like showing people games and letting them know.
And there's a lot of ingredients that go into like why this was such
the gangbusters hit it was.
But I really do feel one of the most important parts is straight up
like don't force the release date tie in with just let them do their own thing.
Let the movies like the Nolan movies come out,
be huge successes, then make a game just like how the homecoming
and his appearance in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is like now release to Spider-Man.
Don't release it during amazing Spider-Man to whatever you do.
Because he's like at the all time low of when people are like, I don't care anymore.
You know, you know what I'm saying?
The fact that a decade later, we're still bringing this point up
and like a decade of failure of tie in things that are forced to come out
on a date that they're not ready for and we still have to bring it up
because that urge to be like, no, but the tie in money is so aggressive.
And it's so like you haven't seen the history of multiple failures
and like and you're not you're not learning from that.
Like it's crazy.
I would say the reason for that is because it's the same 35 people
making those decisions over the past 20 years.
That's true.
Hey, how long do you think GoldenEye 007 on the N64 came out after the movie?
Year and a half.
Two years.
Yeah.
Fuck, because they because it's Nintendo and Rare who will delay to shit,
whatever the fuck.
And they're like, we don't care about this fucking movie.
Nobody cares.
Look at this game. It's good.
We'll just release it two years after the fact and it's going to be good.
So I mean, this goes back a long way.
Is it is how would you rank it?
Like as far as like like triple A open world game experiences go for you?
Mr. Zoo.
OK, yeah, that wasn't clear.
It's a good question.
Try to think how many open world games like that I've played.
It's definitely up there.
I don't think it tops like Breath of the Wild or anything, but well, that's not fair.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That's not a fair comparison.
I'll give you that.
But it's certainly it's certainly pretty high on the list.
One of the most seamless open world experiences I've ever ever played.
It's like I'd put it above like any Arkham game
just because I prefer Spider-Man and Batman.
I put it above the second two Arkham games.
I think our asylum tips it out, but that's just because I like structure.
But it's like undeniably super fantastic.
I I I mean, I had it pretty high up there.
Sorry. And then I got those and then I finally got to those challenge missions
and I fucking lost my shit.
And now it's like it went like three points up just on that.
The challenge missions you guys like we were referencing before.
I'm like, why is everyone talking about?
Holy fuck. Yeah, that's this is the best part.
That's what I finished over the weekend.
They're super, super tough, but they all make sense.
And there's a clear path to success.
But there's well, some of them, the chase, the drone ones are super difficult.
But the payoff was really hard.
The payoff is so fun.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, sure is.
Isn't it?
Where did you finish?
Oh, I didn't finish that.
OK, I didn't finish though. That's a good point.
I should go back and finish all of them.
I did enough to have the first like event encounter.
Yeah, I did that.
I got absolutely whooped in the first event.
So so the the biggest piece of advice I have for people with those
challenge missions is that in order to count them as complete,
you only need to actually complete them.
You don't need to get golds.
Yeah, that's true.
So if you just want to check the list and see what happened,
just do them good enough to cross that finish line.
For whatever reason, the most I ever got was like silver.
And I had like two bronze and like maybe one gold.
And I was never trying for gold.
I was just like, let me beat them because that's all I wanted to do.
Yeah. But just a touch upon it, I finished all the challenges
and like, I'm not going to obviously say, but I was I was a little let down
by the end of challenges.
The first challenge event is way cooler than the second one.
Second one, but it's still good.
It's still fine.
But I was a little let down because I was going to say about Arkham.
It's like I find Arkham's main story, Arkham City's main story
to be a let down compared to Spider-Man's.
Completely.
But but Arkham's side missions, all of its side missions
that feature multiple villains, much better than what Spider-Man side
content is. This game needed more Mysterio.
He is in there.
Yeah, for like a second.
Yeah, for like a second.
He's in there, but he's not.
It's fun.
Anyway, but yeah, like that's what I I finished.
Got the last two suits.
I got that suit that we talked about last week, the one to leather jacket.
I think now that might be my favorite suit.
Him suit.
I'll get it.
It looks so super cool.
Which one?
I used the the Iron Spider one from Infinity War.
That's a good suit.
I never used the legs that much.
I used it once and I was like, yeah, I'm not.
I did the same thing.
Honestly, I stuck with the web blossom for the whole game.
So they're they're just like it's the best.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
They recently said like it.
OK, so we may have overtook it.
It's kind of the go to.
It's it's the first.
It's the second one, but it's really the first one you get in the game.
And it's probably the best overall.
I was using it because I realized how broken it was.
And then I was like, if I want a little bit of advantage,
I'll just take Spider Bro.
That's what I was going to say.
So like I exact I kept blossom until Spider Bro.
And now it's like it's one or the other, you know, those for everything else
in that game.
That's fantastic.
The balancing of the suit powers is completely fucked
because a bunch of them are totally useless.
And then there's web blossom and Spider Bro.
And what damage which you get?
Quad damage.
Yeah.
Guys go down in single punches.
Thankfully, they now they let you put whatever power on whatever suit.
Oh, yeah, totally.
Which is brilliant.
Like that's a really good thing that like I think they knew they designed
a bunch of shit ones and then they're like, we got to move these.
We got to let people move these around.
I'm sure at some point in testing exactly someone pointed out like, hey,
can we just?
Yeah, cosmetics, please.
That being said, once I once I got quips unlocked, I never looked back.
OK, what does it actually do?
It you do a quip, but it also creates a tiny little pulse
that staggers everyone around you.
Like they're just. Oh, it does.
Oh, OK. Yeah, I for I try not to actually like use it on any enemies.
I just activated it.
It recharges by itself in like 15 seconds.
Yeah.
So it's both like, haha, I'm making fun of you, but also like get the fuck off me.
Every 15, 20 seconds.
Right. Nice.
So like maximum annoying Spider-Man.
Oh, they're fucking terrible.
The quips that you activate with the button instead of the ones
that are built into the combat are awful.
They're so bad.
That's why I need a catchphrase.
Get webbed.
That doesn't really work.
That's the quip.
That's bubsy.
Yeah. No, like they're they're Spider-Man's off day.
It's ratcheting client levels.
OK, OK.
Of like, I'm a cartoon character.
Let me try something here.
They legitimately sound like Parker like
workshopping his stuff for a fight with the Rhino.
Like against goons.
Anything else come to mind?
I got nothing else for for my past week.
I spent most of my time procrastinating for my last video playing Spider-Man.
So there you go.
That's how it went.
Welcome to the YouTube life.
Yeah, exactly.
Although he gets to make one fucking banger
and then just plan out the next one.
Yeah, but I imagine you have to actually work really hard.
Of course. It's edited.
It's highly edited content.
It's way harder than LP-ing.
Super. Totally.
Some people's highly edited content, I'm sure.
I spend the first week researching editing and writing.
Very easy to do, like mine.
My second week is just editing.
So yeah, it does take me a while.
So it felt like I was getting behind when I was playing Spider-Man,
which of course made it worse because then I was like,
oh, now I really don't want to do it because now I'm behind.
You should do a video about spiders because of spider.
I did. I made a video about spiders.
You already did.
My Halloween video last year.
Yes, but now it's Spider-Man time.
That is true.
You know, one thing I discovered is that
every time the channel Lucas the Spider uploads a video,
I get a ton of hits on my spider one because...
Who's Lucas the Spider? I'm not familiar.
Lucas the Spider? It was on trending yesterday.
It's this CGI animated cute little spider.
Okay.
Honestly, this YouTube channel breaks every single unwritten rule
about YouTube on how to get popular.
You're supposed to make long form content, make frequent stuff.
And this channel does neither of those things.
Their videos are 30 seconds long at most.
And this channel is releasing videos once every few months at best.
And it's still got 2 million subscribers out of nowhere.
So it's definitely possible to still make a YouTube.
The unwritten rule for YouTube was put Elsa and Spider-Man in your video.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
Where is that?
Or write the word prank.
I think we can respect that because we've been told by many a talented,
more popular YouTubers that what we're doing should not work.
Yeah.
And that, quite frankly, we're stupid for doing it the way we're doing it.
Yeah.
I think I was told you are the worst success.
But luckily, our way of doing it builds a rabid fanatical audience
that will do our bidding.
It was exactly as long as you know your audience will be fine.
Yeah.
I think it was like you couldn't have done it more wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's we continue to do it wrong.
Yeah.
But it's too late to stop now.
Yeah, you can't.
Sometimes you just got to see where it's going to go.
Can't turn over a new leaf at this point.
There's a point that we should have stopped at long ago.
But let's just continue to see what happens.
Matt, why don't you take it?
Yeah, man, what up?
Well, yeah, I just finished up the Spider-Man stuff and I started
another kind of open worldy action game, which was a dark shadow of the Tomb Raider.
I forgot its name.
Holy shit.
Yeah, because I was about to call it Rise.
That game fucking stuck with you, huh?
And it didn't stick anywhere.
It's sales wise.
I'm not sure we saw in the UK, but it's like it's sales are down 72 percent
over Rise of the Tomb Raider.
And that was on Xbox exclusively for those first couple of weeks.
So the thing that got me about shadow of the Tomb Raider more than the other two
in terms of like, huh, is that I didn't notice it released.
Because it released right before or right after Spider-Man.
Right.
That's why I didn't realize it got released.
You know, it's a bad sign for one of those big blockbuster games when people
whose entire job is to be obsessed with video games don't even know
where your game came out.
I'm kind of, but they're like, they're pretty aggressively marketed at least
in our city, like there's a lot of developed here.
Yeah, exactly.
So there's a lot of street.
We're seeing a lot of ads up on street corners and stuff.
That's why I was like, OK, I want to check it out.
Because yeah, the company that both me and Willie used to work for is like,
they're the main guys on it.
I'm like, OK, we know, we know those credits.
We know we know those names.
Yeah.
And it's pretty much the same of the Tomb Raider games.
The only new feature I played about two hours of it was Larry can
use camouflage now.
Like she can stick up against a wall that has leaves and no one will see her.
She put mud on herself a little bit.
That's all I saw that was kind of new.
One thing that was definitely new that I did not like is that we're going to say
this is a spoiler because this is the tutorial mission that sets up the story.
But Lara is the bad guy and that she causes an apocalypse.
And the bad guys like, what the fuck did you do?
And usually in these scenarios, like they happen in like Uncharted or Indiana
Jones is like, I got tricked.
Right. Oh, dude, don't do that.
Whatever you do, I'm going to do it.
Don't disturb the ancient order.
Lara is completely alone.
She's looking at this mural that's showing apocalypses will happen
starting with a tsunami, then whatever.
And then Jonah, who's like on her like Radio Com thing is just like,
Lara, you got to get out of there as people are coming.
And she's like, and looks at the the MacGuffin, grabs it and then runs off.
And then when she meets the bad guy, the bad guy is like, oh, you have that.
Oh, it's a good thing you have the other thing that links to it,
because that's what helps save the world.
Because if you just had one, that's he would destroy the world.
And Lara's animation, like this might not be good for for viewers at home,
but I'll try to describe it.
She, okay.
She goes, and she's trying to be like, is he lying to me?
And she's squinting.
And it's the, she's Larry David.
She's Larry David.
And he goes, you're lying.
You would totally do the same thing.
He's like, no, I fucking wouldn't.
I would have the other MacGuffin.
Okay.
And she's like, then she turns and sees a tsunami
and she wipes out a village of families.
And then they're like, let's go and solve this.
Got to stop the evil trinity.
I feel like.
And I felt this was handled really poorly.
I get putting a big responsibility on their shoulders.
But the fact that like there was no one around, she she made this decision
herself is like, I'm sorry, that's like you are a villain.
But did she become the two Raider?
She was becoming the two Raider for like six years now.
So I feel like that series, that reboot series is really
struggle to find its identity.
And this is the second game that has like a thing that happens in the
tutorial that like bafflingly fucks up the tone for the whole rest of the game.
I think it has an identity.
I think it's.
Yeah, it's uncharted.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like, it's that's not what's missing.
Remember when uncharted was called Dude Raider?
Sure.
This is Dude Raider with a chick.
Yeah, more than anything, like working the the the tomb aspect into it
more and more is the part that stands out because like she's clearly like
what is what part of that has to do with just shooting up like 80 dudes?
You know, what's weird about this is that they kind of have a line or two
that implies that why she did that.
Grab the things because she's getting overconfident and she's like, I know better.
But in the same like couple of minutes of gameplay, when you're just doing
platform and stuff, she's she's doing the same things that she does in the other
games where she talks to herself.
She goes, you can do this.
Come on, you can do it.
Push through.
I'm like, so are you super confident or are you super
unconfident and inexperienced?
I don't know what the game is going for anymore.
Fake it till you make it.
I guess.
But yeah, there you go.
I mean, this is the opening cut scene mission and it was in some of the trailers
and I kind of saw some of it where I'm like, oh, she caught something happens
and a big apocalypse happens.
OK, cool, but I'm just like, what the hell is this?
I'm like, I had to mention because I'm like, this seems really like bad to do
with your hero because the whole thing is like I want to become the Tomb Raider
or become like a really like person that helps people out or like I'm not fighting
for me or glory and I'm doing whatever.
I thought that's what the reboot was trying to do.
Old Lara Croft loves the glory, loves the Indiana Jones.
Probably the weirdest part about that game and its story is that they made
that mistake again, like the remember how much it was weird that Lara's like,
murder the deer, murder a person.
But I need its penis to attach to my bow so I can upgrade it.
Oh, no.
And then bang, bang, bang, bang, headshot.
Yeah, like they do the same thing, but like narratively here.
And then it's I just I don't know.
I don't get it.
I don't know.
I'm shanking dudes in the first few seconds.
I don't I was going to say, is there anything like new
distinctly feature wise that that it's doing the camouflage?
Yeah, that's that's that's just about it.
That's the two hours that I played.
That seems to be it.
And I do know that the game opens up until most open world style
where you have a couple of hubs.
Shadow was like that.
That's right. Rise was fuck God, I hate it.
I need to I heard that too.
And I played a lot of rise of the two rise of the Tomb Raider.
And I got like like 70 percent through that game.
And I stopped it for other stuff.
And that was kind of open world.
But there were sections you had to load into like other island
like areas or whatever.
I'm trying to remember what it was.
I fucking hate this naming convention.
I think it's not great.
I think it is the worst.
It should have been the reverse, especially since the name
of the last game sounds like the name of the second game.
And the name of the second game sounds like the name of the first game.
But they're but they're afraid of numbers now.
So it's like.
So what they're not, they're not afraid of numbers
because the last bunch before just had subtitles, legend, underworld
and all that. So yes, they're afraid of numbers now.
But they could just keep calling it subtitles.
But I'm saying they're afraid of numbers.
That's why they're not using numbers.
No, but like, no, what he means is is that instead of numbers,
they could just be using Tomb Raider title instead of bizarre phrase.
Right, right.
Originally, the Tomb Raider reboot, if you remember,
it was when it was a survival horror game.
It was called Tomb Raider Ascension.
Yeah. And then they stopped calling it that for whatever.
Well, I think I think part of that was probably because they
didn't want it to sound as if it belonged in the last franchise.
Right. So like, they just kind of took the name back, called a Tomb Raider again.
Halloween, Halloween, too.
Then Halloween. I don't know.
So in this case, that's kind of like what God of War did, too, right?
I mean, now the newest one.
Yeah, it absolutely did.
Exactly. With the difference between the two, I guess, is because like
this is the second.
So if they heard reboot of Tomb Raider, no, no, this is the first.
It's actually the first because when Crystal Dynamics took over,
it wasn't a reboot.
They just thought it felt like the same character, same world.
It felt like it, but story-wise, it wasn't.
Yeah. Even Lara's Croft side games are still the same thing.
But no, I guess I'm just thinking like, so if they put out something
and called it like Tomb Raider Ascension and then called it Tomb Raider Rise
or Tomb Raider Shadows or, you know what I mean?
Like that name and convention ends up sounding a lot like the older games.
Well, and it doesn't.
And it's perhaps something where they didn't want it to be less confusing
than what it is now.
Because the thing is, right, is like while like Tomb Raider
Legend was the first of the ones, but the new new batch, right?
Those were completely new engine, very new gameplay.
Yeah. Trivial, trivial attachments to the story, right?
The difference between those games and the old, the ancient ones
is about the same amount of difference as those games to the new ones.
So it knows just use subtitles to differentiate themselves.
I mean, quite frankly, all you'd have to do is just look at it with eyeballs
to see that it's completely different.
But on a marketing level to people who aren't paying any attention
to that close to it, it's like, how do we distinguish this?
Yeah, you know, put yourself in Paul's shoes.
But then Paul makes it so that you've distinguished it from the old stuff.
But now each game is indistinguishable from each other.
And also in the first PlayStation games, they stopped using numbers after three
and started just calling them subtitles the last chronicle.
And I fucking won't get most of those.
Actually, I mean, I don't know.
Underworld was probably the worst part is the fact that
if since the continuing convention is of the Tomb Raider,
it means the word you have to use is going to be one of those overused words.
Yeah, because storm of the two, you know what I mean?
Like it automatically has to become one of those things of the two.
Yeah, fall of the Tomb Raider.
Oh, blah, blah.
That one's the worst and it's going to be the next one.
Don, yeah. Oh, I fucking trailed off before
because I forgot what I was saying.
But yeah, the weirdest thing about this game
is they had an extended ending they cut after they put in the wrong ending.
Yeah, they put in the wrong ending in the game and they cut it. Whoops.
They had a bunch of stinger scenarios,
like little animations, little stingers after them,
the credits to set up the next game.
And apparently the game shipped with the one they didn't want to put in
or they thought better of it.
They shipped it with like you get a letter from an old villain.
And it's like, oh, an old villain from the original series.
And it's like, oh, maybe that'll go somewhere.
And then they patched it out on the first day.
And we're like, no, we we we we didn't we didn't want to go in that direction.
But you shipped it.
People saw it.
People beat the game every day and saw it.
It was implied it was a mistake, but it probably was more like,
yeah, we're not going to make another one.
Oh, at least for a while.
I get like I for some reason, because it happens in so many other franchises,
we're looking at right now, there could be some weird time we get to
where they just make a new announcement and go, we're releasing Tomb Raider 4.
And they just go with that.
It totally has happened.
It's like you're looking at it.
It's everywhere.
Like how many times have we ran theft auto?
Did that returning to the number as a sign of like pride?
Yeah, Devil May Cry did that.
That's literally like that's why I'm saying it.
Like we've seen it so much now.
Well, your mic is scratching up against your your chest really bad.
No, I think it's because it's wires a little caught.
Oh, no.
Or something. How useful this is.
Aside from that, I also watched a Nicholas Cage movie.
Yeah. Was it called?
It was it was called Mandy.
I saw you talking about that because I heard about it for like months and months.
Now, never saw a trailer.
All I saw is that it had like a 96 percent raw tomatoes.
I'm like, Nick Nicholas Cage.
Yes. A Nicholas Cage movie.
The man with the widest range in Hollywood.
So yeah, I watched it.
It came out in theaters and on VOD in the same day.
And I'm like, that doesn't seem good.
But whatever, they're trying new shit like this all the time.
I sat down and watched it.
Well, this is like, remember the director of Drive?
Nicholas winding Riffin or whatever.
And then he made all those other movies after and they're terrible.
Yeah. Only God forgives in the end.
He meant this is like if he went if he started making good shit again.
So I got I got a heavy recommendation from a friend to go check that out this weekend as well.
But like literally, I've not seen anything.
I've not heard anything.
I have no idea what this is in any way, shape or form.
And I don't know, is it better to just do it cold?
I mean, all I could say is that it's a revenge thriller that has Nicholas Cage in it
and has a really solid eighties.
I wouldn't say stranger things aesthetic, but like, you know,
the stranger things titles come at you.
They do some really fun things with the titles.
Is this his John Wick?
It could be. OK. What?
I don't know if it will be, but it could be because it was really, really good.
Very, very light on story,
light on characters, light on those sounds like a simple goal.
Movie go. Very simple.
Sounds like his John Wick from what you're describing.
What was it called again?
Mandy, Mandy. Oh, yeah.
If I could like relate to tone, it's a lot like hobo with a shotgun.
OK, I'm going to watch this. Is it funny?
It's funny when Nicholas Cage starts doing things.
OK, he's a bad. OK, OK.
I see, I see.
There's a scene where he just drinks some vodka.
Yeah, that's really hot point.
Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I highly practicing your shitty.
No, but when he does it, it leaves an impression on you.
Wow, OK. But yeah, I highly recommend it.
Since I've stopped doing the wanted scene, Matt's picking it up.
Kickass, you mean?
Yeah, wow. Yeah, right.
Can you do it?
You just did it great.
You did it great. You just did it great.
You just did it great.
This is better, though.
I'm afraid he hasn't done it in a while.
And it's going to be terrible.
Anyway, it was really, really good.
Definitely recommend it.
But, you know, if you're not into gore, maybe don't watch it.
OK, very violent.
She's saying. Very good.
OK.
T ask me. Cool.
Um, I didn't have much of a week personally.
Played more Spider-Man, I assume.
Yeah, played more Spider-Man.
And what did I get up to?
Like, I mean, I, you know, I was out of town like for a wedding.
Yeah, you got married over the weekend.
Yeah, that was that was the stupidest thing I've seen in forever.
I mean, I guess it's just an instinctual reaction
to a formal looking photo.
But that's like, isn't it like I?
OK.
Me and Paige were streaming and all of a sudden our chat
explodes with, well, they got married.
He just got married.
He got married just now.
And we're like, what?
So we go look at a photo and like your girlfriend's wearing
fucking pink.
And it's just like, it's a, it's a, it's a bridesmaid's dress
and she's holding flowers and I'm wearing a suit and it's just
a photo.
It's just a nice photo.
But it's kind of like a picture.
And it's just, it just, and I have a caption.
Yeah, the caption was, I think my caption was like, we clean up
OK, you know what I mean?
But like people just went, dude, oh my God, holy shit.
And I was like, what do you want?
No, no, no, no, no.
Your mic is freaking out.
It is hitting every part of your chest and screaming at us
through our ears.
I'm going to try not to move as much while I do that.
But, but the fact that the fact that like, yeah, that the
reaction came from so many people was just like, OK,
this is not a small thing.
This is many people getting confused because it just
looks like formal.
Your fiancee's wearing pink.
It's a pink dress.
Yeah, but that's like the most.
But what if, but what if we just decided to do it like
non-conventional and whatever I guess is the thought process?
I don't know.
But either way, when you and I went to Rocky's wedding and I
took a picture of me and my like tux, like people were like, you
got married again.
Right.
And I'm like, no.
That's an even more absurd.
I'm clearly at someone else's wedding.
Yeah.
People get invited to other people's weddings sometimes.
In any case, yeah, so it was a nice event.
We had a good time.
But there's also this crazy ass wine cellar celebration part
of it that happened that was straight up like a Game of
Thrones scene.
Like it was like in a out of winery in the basement where
the barrels are lining the sides.
Oh, the proper casks?
Yeah.
And then like a long dining table.
That's the first person shooter level.
Long dining table with like chairs for like, you know, maybe
50 and just candelabras going all the way down the table.
It really felt like someone was going to stand up at the end
and be like, you're probably wondering why I've invited you
all here tonight.
And the gas.
You know, like it really.
Oh, the wine was poison.
Ah, the wine.
Of course.
It felt like some sinister shit, but it was cool.
My fucking thing.
Yeah, I guess the only thing of note was just on, you know,
on the downtime, I got a chance to go through that
Mega Man 11 demo.
Oh, you like it?
Yeah, it like.
I wasn't super into it.
There's stuff I like and there's stuff I don't like.
What I like is I thought the level design was pretty clever
that they showed off.
Like it was a nice thing where you're like, OK, this little
segment of one stage here shows you thought about this stage
a lot, right?
Like they introduce enemies.
They introduce platform types and they get you used to these
things very in a very simplistic way.
And then they start to remix like the three elements that
you're introduced to early on in slightly more
challenging ways.
And then by the end, they have like the full, I hope you
understand these enemies completely because now if you
mess up, you die.
We're going to remix the enemies and stuff like that, I
assume.
It's not even a remix.
No, it's just positioning.
Just platforming, like, just platforming and positioning
of the enemy that you know how to kill now is in a place
where if you fuck up what you already know, you're dead.
Because the bullet is going to hit you off the edge.
And yeah, it was a nicely thought out level, so that
was fun.
I thought the new system of speed up gear and power gear is
interesting as well.
It's adding a comeback mechanic without like, it's
interesting.
It's like it's adding a comeback mechanic and it
doesn't seem like it's too too busted because you don't
really have them for super long.
But it recharges frequently enough that you can keep
using it.
There's moments of the game, though, where really
difficult things can be made a lot easier by slowing the
game down.
So because you have effectively a power boost and then a
speed boost where it slows the game down.
It doesn't speed you up.
And then when you're about to die, you can use them together
and have like a full crazy boost.
Like a Devil Breaker?
Like a DT, almost.
But yeah, and it gives you two demo powers that you can use
as well, like a little like kind of like a Giga Drill
Breaker kind of dash attack and then an electric spark that
goes along the contour of the level.
That stuff is all really cool and well done.
And I also praise the boss fight.
The boss fight was pretty awesome in the sense that it
does things that a usual Mega Man boss doesn't do, where
the boss has clear phases.
And a typical Mega Man boss just kind of jumps around and
does his pattern.
Does their order?
And does his full pattern at you.
And sometimes there's a little bit of a change here and
there, like they'll unlock a big move towards the end or
something like that.
But they're more or less just jumping around.
In this case, there's clearly phases and escalations of
what you're doing.
And it was a fun thing that I didn't expect out of a Mega
Man boss, I'd say, if you go through that demo.
But on the downsides, I'll say, one, the style is the art
style is fine, but it just feels kind of lifeless.
Yeah.
And it feels like, to me, the Mega Man EX transmission
platformer that was on the GameCube, where it's this type
of 3D that you're just not getting a max amount of
charisma or charm out of Mega Man or any of the enemies.
There's just something a little lacking with it.
It's funny you say that because transmission is a really
good game.
Yeah, I'm not even saying it's bad.
But graphically, it's not a game I even think about because
I honestly forget even how it looks.
But I got that sort of feeling that this felt like a Mega
Man spin-off almost, like a side game.
And it's just a little like, it's not too daring, I guess,
with the art style in that way.
And perhaps you don't want to take a huge risk, so it's
understandable.
They showed you how they thought about Mega Man's model so
much and whatnot, and that's all there.
But it definitely feels, it reminds me more of Rockman
Rockman and, sorry, it was called Powered Up Here.
Yeah, Powered Up.
Powered Up and Maverick Hunter X and stuff like that.
Was it called Rockman Rockman?
It was called Rockman Rockman.
And I had the Japanese version.
That's why in my brain, I just think of it as that.
But yeah, it was called, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know, I don't know.
But yeah, yeah, I always forget that because I just had the
Japanese one.
Maybe they were going for like Mega Mega Man.
Maybe.
Something, anyway.
But yeah, and it's fine.
There's nothing offensive about it.
But I was just kind of like, oh, yeah, OK, it's a little
ho-hum with some of the stages and stuff.
The voice is really weird.
It's just odd.
It's odd.
It's kind of, and I guess I'm just used to the Mega Man X4
voice, you know what I mean?
It's what I think of and like a high-pitched sort of, and like
also a volnut, right?
Trigger?
Yeah.
Like I think of Mega Man as that sound, that kind of age.
I'm used to Mega Man 8.
Teenager, in my mind.
I think of like, I think of teenager voice kind of thing.
And what we have, and what we're getting here in the 11
demos, like a much older voice that's not X, but just not
what I expected.
There's that.
And yeah, and I do like as well the fact that they let you
test out the power-ups once you beat the boss.
So you have a little demo thing now, and you can give it a
shot, and little things that should have been there.
But yeah, I guess I just feel like it, unfortunately,
aesthetically, is just, again, a little bit on the dry
side, and it's probably going to come and go when it comes out.
And it sucks because it's like, with a little bit more like
strength in the art, it probably would have been
something that people were like, holy shit, look how awesome
this works.
But here's the thing, is like, I'm super happy it exists, and
then it's coming out.
But it's like, right now, I'm really not that excited for it.
But I do think some of the boss designs are really strong.
There's one or two that they just showed, Tundra Man, and I'm
like, some of these boss designs are like some of the better
ones I've seen in like years and years, so that's cool.
But it's like, yeah, they get that same sort of feeling of like,
I think I feel like this is going to drop, and no one's
going to notice.
Blockman is fine.
And when you read it fast enough, I read Blackman, whatever I
select it, you know, which is fine.
It's time to shine.
It's fine.
The oil character was in the other game.
They had to change the skin color, by the way, because it was too
dark.
I remember.
They turned into like a blue later.
They made him blue, but those lips didn't change.
The popo solution.
However, yeah, but 11, that's the feeling I get is that it sucks,
because if this game came out maybe eight years ago, you know
what I mean?
Or so, it would have been like, oh, sick, it's back, it's great,
it's awesome, and everything looks really sharp.
Eight years ago, would that peg it around when Mega Man 10?
2010.
It would be around 2010.
Mega Man 9 came out 10 years ago.
So now you would want it to just look and feel a lot better
and crazier, and then feel is more or less accurate.
The feel is accurate to Mega Man, but you'd want it artistically
to just be like, holy shit, you know, and it's not really blowing
you away with anything visually, and I kind of would hope that it
would, because again, it's going to come, it's going to be nice,
and then it's going to kind of go, you know?
Because it's not like we're not asking for it to be like a fucking
AAA looking thing, it just has a more character and more going
on with the backgrounds and animations and stuff.
Because when I think of Mega Man 8 or Mega Man 7 on the Super
Nintendo, I think those games still look amazing, like in terms
of 2D art, and I think that this one looks a lot more safe.
Oh yeah, ever since 8 got that really detailed sprite, and then
you saw it again in Rockman and Bass and stuff, it's fucking,
that shit stands out to you, it's like, OK, this is an animation
game, like the sprites are really nice quality, you know, and
now we're moved on from sprites, so...
It also didn't help that when...
Let's make up for what we're missing.
Leading up to this demo, if you recall me saying I was playing a
lot of the X collection, so I'd like beaten a couple of them,
and I'd played a bunch of them, and then this comes out, and I'm
like, yeah, this doesn't, this kind of pales a little bit,
because all those games felt in the look.
Though feel, at the same time, you're like, it's X, right?
X is like, bam, zip zap, zoop, wall jump, dash, you know,
whatever, go crazy.
This is a very precise jump, slide, shoot, man.
I know, it's kind of like playing third strike, and then
playing like Street Fighter EX a little bit.
Yeah, it's a different franchise, it's meant to be, you know,
but again, it's fine.
I like the, I hope that the level design kind of like continues
to be what they showed off here, because that shows like a lot
of thought was put into that, and that'll be fun.
But maybe they can make up for it with like, some twists,
or some other playable characters, something fun.
Can I interrupt you there for a second, Walls?
Zoo, you're still there.
I'm still here.
I'm reading the chat on your Twitch page.
I don't know anything about Mega Man, I don't know what to say.
Feel free to interrupt us at any time,
because that's how it goes here.
Oh, okay, I don't like to interrupt people, but yeah.
I don't know anything about the-
You're gonna have to learn real quick.
Yeah, by all means, jump on in whenever.
I've never played Tomb Raider, I've never played Mega Man,
so I didn't have much to add to those.
No worries, no worries, but yeah, I Twitch chat,
I'm still alive.
We didn't give him the aggressive talking.
We usually tell people, we usually tell people,
interrupt us, please, any time,
but yeah, we didn't look at that point, yeah.
But yeah, that's Mega Man loving, you know.
So it sucks.
That's what I said.
Moving on.
Yeah, I didn't hit, I'll be honest,
I haven't touched it at all, and I've barely seen it,
and my takeaway from that is very not positive.
It's the video game, it's the-
So far, so-
It's not even an issue that's being bad,
or anything, it's just like-
So far, it's the video game equivalent of a safe sequel.
Yeah, it's like, I don't have time in my life
for a fucking another safe Mega Man.
Right?
Like, god.
Because, but remember when you're like,
remember the times, well, maybe not you,
but to other people, remember the times
of like, damn, Mega Man's dad.
What the fuck?
Yeah, no, that's what I keep going back to him.
Like, that sucks to be like, yeah, I'm not really into this,
when it's like what people have been screaming for
for like the last five years.
To the point that we had, you fucking-
I got-
Might of number nine, and the entirety of Inti Creates
was built off of the back of the vacuum that existed.
And felt very strongly about destroying that feeling
in all of us.
Yeah.
Mega Man should definitely like, you know,
stay, it's one of those things where it's like,
it's got to stay true to its roots,
but you also want it to kind of come out
and be like, yo, this is pushing it, you know?
You have 11, like say, mainline Mega Man games,
you know, countless spin-offs,
then you have like almost as many Mega Man X games.
So it's like, by then, it's like, yeah,
a safe sequel is kind of like, all right,
can't get too excited.
But the ingredients are there,
especially with the boss fights,
the ingredients are there for it to be like,
perhaps, yeah, you know what, when I said like,
forgettable, like, it really depends
on how those boss fights go down, I think.
Yeah.
If they play out a lot like what we got there,
it'll, I'm wrong.
It'll be more memorable than I'm thinking.
Cause yeah, the boss fight was done really fun.
If you take a shot at the demo, you know,
see what you think.
I mean, for us personally,
not to say it to anyone else,
like if this is, I know we're like a broken record on this,
but it's like, if they announced Platinum
was making a 3D Mega Man game,
Mega Man X game, let's say,
we'd lose our fucking minds to me.
That'd be so weird.
Yeah, Platinum sucks.
It'd be called never-contour.
No, it's just, it's just-
That'd be a good, gritty rebuttal.
I'm trying to say something.
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
It's just this many years in the Platinum Plus,
your favorite franchise thing.
It's like-
That's why I said we're sounding like broken records.
But I'm just saying, it's like,
it needs to be something like that to get us excited.
When they announced Platinum was making a TMNT game,
I fucking lost my shit.
Granted, it turned out horribly,
but it was still exciting when they announced it.
When Mega Man 11 was announced,
I was like, that's neat.
And then that's about as close as a car.
Like as badly as that, that was achieved,
especially for a Platinum game.
It's probably still like leaps and bounds ahead
of 90% of Ninja Turtles games.
Of course.
Probably, you know, so.
That's not even fair.
But that's the comparison in my brain is-
Oh, okay.
And to say that-
The comparison according to license.
So Transformers gets compared to the other Transformers games.
Fair enough.
Most of which are legendarily terrible.
Not that early PS2 one.
Not the first Cybertron one.
I'm thinking of Beast Wars, man.
That PS1, Beast Wars game.
But that's what I'm saying from Mega Man,
is that it needs to, instead of a safe sequel,
it's like cool developer that you might not think of.
And then it's like either a brand new universe
or picking back up Mega Man X or doing something.
It's just Mega Man 11.
We got nine and 10, and they were both kind of,
you know, it was nice to have them,
but they're also kind of safe sequels.
Yeah, I mean, they used the sprites.
Well, you know what?
They're basically the safest thing you could do.
Sometimes it's the time for a safe sequel.
No.
Sometimes.
Sometimes it is the time for a safe sequel.
Sometimes it is the time, yes.
Although, dude, I mean, really is,
so far is DMC5 safe though?
Absolutely.
Natural extension of DMC4.
Because I think the safest possible sequel
would have been like almost like,
we're sorry about that Nero guy.
Here's Dante all the time forever.
It's everything.
We're just, we're redoing three, but a little bit more.
Nero was about as safe as the new characters
they could have gotten.
He looked exactly like Dante, he just blew.
But I had a fear that the return to Devil May Cry
would have been a really like,
we're so afraid that we're just returning to three
and like four was like, yeah, kind of.
Four was massively successful.
But not according to Capcom, right?
Remember that weird whole discussion?
It was more successful than three.
That whole discussion about.
So returning to three wouldn't have made any sense.
It's that whole thing about like,
it fell short of their expectations
despite being more successful.
They wanted to sell 15 million units.
So I was afraid a dumb decision would have been made with it
and it would have been like.
There was, there was a dumb decision made with it.
Yes, and that like the sequel quote unquote
would have been like, let's just really, really.
This is literally go back to what actually sold.
With new, but like new character up front and.
Yeah, but they've also.
New mechanics.
And they've seen that like the special editions,
the more characters you add to these games they'll sell.
Yeah.
And you know, Dante's still there hanging out.
But yeah.
Be it old now.
But I mean, I'm just, I'm happy that this is
as much of a continuation of that.
Like where that trail left off there.
So I saw somebody use the term.
And I don't know if we, if any of you guys saw it,
but it's the term because we talked about it.
You and Matt and me in particular,
we talked about, is this the first reverse reboot?
But I saw people say, unbooted.
Unbooted.
I've never heard that term before.
Yeah.
It appears to be new.
So how familiar are you?
How familiar are you with a double my cry, Tier zero?
Oh, not really.
Okay.
You picked the right podcast to be honest.
I will give you a very short Cliff's notes version
of its history.
Double my cry one comes out and is a classic
and sells pretty well.
Double my cry two comes out and is rushed
and is a disastrous development.
It is, and it doesn't have any, the original team on it.
It is a sales disaster.
It is a critical fucking mess.
It almost kills the series.
The director of that game who came in four months
before the end of the project, Hideaki Itsuno,
and his team go, we got to turn this ship around
and releases double my cry three,
which is a smash hit in every sense of the word
and a modern classic and a game that we are
LPing on the channel right now.
Yeah.
Okay.
That gets a special edition, which adds a second character,
which sets the precedent for, hey,
add new, add more characters to your character action game
and people will buy it again.
Then four comes out and despite being kind of cheaply made,
like they've reused the stages twice,
introduces Nero as your new character
and is actually really, really successful sales wise.
It sounds like four or five million.
It does really great.
And then the Capcom big wigs go,
why didn't it sell as much as Call of Duty,
Modern Warfare two?
Yeah.
And at the time, Inafune was like,
because it's not Western enough
and it's got Japanese stuff in it,
we got to make all Western games.
And then gives it to Ninja Theory
to make DMC Devil May Cry,
which is a gritty, hard-edged, foul mouth,
sick burn reboot.
Oh, he swears, dicks out,
which did not sell particularly well.
It's all okay.
It's a decent game.
It's all like a million out the gate.
But the fan ire, was it worth it?
But it was very clear that the fans of the existing series
just could not stand the new guy
or anything about the new tone.
I mean, well, you brought it up in the DMC one LP perfectly
Dante was created as a cool character
who doesn't smoke and doesn't swear.
And you could be cool without being edgy, right?
Yeah.
And then they made him into a meth addict.
And it was real bad.
He was constantly shlinging his dong around in scenes
and just saying everyone to fuck you
and give you a little finger.
Well, it was what it was,
was they also included a scene nice and early on
where the new character makes fun of the old one.
Yeah.
Not a nice way either.
Not like a tongue in cheek, but like, ha ha.
So just a huge male finger to the old fans then basically.
Absolutely.
Well, in fact, in the very first interview about the game,
the director of the game, Tamim Antoinadas was asked,
hey, how do you feel about old fans' reaction
to the new stuff?
And the specific line is Tamim took a long drag
from his cigarette and blew it out and said, I don't care.
So like, it was a disaster for that.
Didn't they also say that quote when somebody said,
it was like, oh, if the original Dante was in our world,
he'd get his ass beat if he wanted to.
Well, we also talked about it in the MLK.
The slides in the presentation.
Ninja Theory also put the developers of the reboot,
put up slides internally of like, Dante is not a gay cowboy.
Dante is Tyler Jerton from Fight Club.
Dante is not a cosplayer from ex-Japan.
Dante is Rush.
I think it is the band that is pictured earlier.
Or no, they had a fucking Johnny Cash in one photo.
Yeah, and it's like.
And it's just, yeah.
It's fucking Tone Death.
Tone Death.
So, Devon May Cry 5 gets announced last year,
and it's like, shut up, everyone.
That reboot didn't happen.
All your favorite characters are back.
Let's just pretend that shit just didn't happen.
We're just truckin' along.
Hence the term ongoing.
And it is now like the best-selling game on Steam.
Six months before release.
Wow, okay, that sounds great.
I mean, I feel like a lot of fans would like that
with Star Wars.
Yeah, I'll say that.
If they unbooted last July.
I don't know why you said last year.
It was totally announced this year.
It was?
Yeah, it was this year?
We knew about it last year.
Oh, that's what, yeah, you're right.
But yeah, so it's the only game franchise I can think of
that got unbooted.
And so, with all of that trepidation
for so long after Four came out
and fans of the franchise, us kind of waiting
to see what would happen, for me in particular,
I think about how Four represented the introduction
of a new character and a new arc for the story
and a new place to go.
And then they dropped it for like a decade.
So I was scared they were gonna just drop it.
Yeah, I'd like to start over with this again.
Because remember when we were talking,
we were doing that we're being super tug-and-cheek assholes
about the sequel stuff, like a couple weeks back or whatever.
And a lot of people were like,
look at this asshole that he's talking about
while Devil May Cry 5 is up, it's a sequel or whatever.
It's like, it represents a new character's arc.
And I'm like, I'm so happy that they're not dropping that.
We've been waiting for since like, 2006.
I don't wanna say 2008.
2008 for like, what the fuck happened with Nero?
Yeah, yeah.
And when Nero's done, let's see whatever the fuck else
is going on, who's this V guy?
What's he up to?
So, with the back story,
but yeah, we should have done that back story bit
on Devil May Cry probably earlier,
because we always just assumed everybody knew
what the fuck we were talking about.
Because we've been gabbing for years.
For years, right?
That being said,
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I played Spider-Man.
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Hey, what's up with Nero not knowing how to fuck his wife?
What's the deal with that shit?
OK, should we start there?
That's a logical place to start.
There's a lot of big news, and we
can go with the Devil May Cry news
because there's a whole lot of Devil May Cry.
But if we go into Devil May Cry,
we're going to talk about it for a while.
Yeah.
I'll try and keep it brief.
What's up with Nero not knowing how to fuck his wife?
That's fucked up, Nero.
Is it because of the devil arm?
I mean, have you ever tried with one arm?
It's not the easiest thing in the world.
It's probably pretty hard.
You don't have leverage and stuff.
Stuff.
Either way, Nero has an arm that appears to be just.
It's just in the right place.
A firefighter.
Just for curie.
Straight up.
But let's not start there, shall we?
All right, hey, Dante's trailer and gameplay
got announced and released.
Dante looks super cool.
And there are a shit ton of gameplay details
that I'm going to fire through as fast as I possibly can.
Style switching is back.
So ignore everything that I said about style switching
before this date.
You'll be able to play as Trickster, Royal Guard, Sword
Master, and Gunslinger.
Why did you lie?
That's a long story.
They said on record that he has more weapons
than he had in four, which means he'll probably
have more than three guns and more than three melee weapons.
You'll be able to set as many of them
as you want to your quick select.
So if you just want to have a DMC3 style where you're
switching between two, that's fine.
But if you want to switch between four
and just have them go in a set order,
like a more complex, Virgil, fucking go for it.
Yeah, that theory that you initially
had about it being simplified is wrong.
They've actually made him way more complex.
And he calls out the style switches as he does them.
It's all super in there for sure.
They also announced that during the game,
you'll have missions where you can pick your character in which
you can play as one of two or even one of three characters
with the VB in the third one.
Fuck, there's a lot.
A lot of the footage appears to be lies, story-wise.
Like what he, oh, Tierzoo, can you
turn me down in your background?
Yeah, it sounds like we're hearing a little bit of a lot
of questions.
Or use headphones if that's all right.
I'm wearing a headset, so it.
Oh, wow, I'm just that loud.
Oh, maybe the volume.
Maybe you're just talking that loud, Pat.
Oh, that's me.
Yeah.
So there's a lot was announced.
One of the big ones that came out,
without even really being officially confirmed in this way,
was the co-op multiplayer aspect.
And just kind of threw that act there.
Accidentally revealed by the store page.
Which, again, not the first time this has happened,
because Bayonetta 2 also had a multiplayer element to it.
But in this case, it's safe to assume
it's probably going to be a special mode or like a little,
I mean, definitely Cry 3 had multiplayer in the form of like.
A Easter egg, really.
Easter egg, yeah.
And four had, right, not four.
Bayonetta 2 had that extra mode.
So here, I'm thinking the extra mode is the way to do it.
At the very least, so the announcement or whatever
it was supports two, one to three players,
and it's on the store page on PSN, right?
At the very least, you're going to get the ability
to do Bloody Palace with your friends.
Probably each person can pick a unique character.
And the idea, as shown off in the trailer,
is one where we see Dante.
It's three players, Dante, and then hopefully Lady and Trish.
Yeah.
Also in that multiplayer mode.
I am uncertain about what I think is actually
going to happen with playable characters here.
Because they've already announced three,
and the three appear very different.
Story mode is definitely going to,
story is those three characters,
but Trish and Lady are appearing in perhaps
what is going to be the extra modes
is what people are guessing right now.
Maybe, that'd be cool.
What if there was a sixth character from the past?
What if?
So we have names, by the way.
So the new, crazy-ass fucking made for woolly ifrit
is called Balrog that Dante wears.
So I want to point out how this is the most made for,
like we've joked about items or characters
or looks that are made for woolly.
This might be the one that is the most ever.
Because not only is it Flame Gauntlets that are named after,
Flame Gauntlets and Feet that are named after a Street Fighter
character, and it does boxing, it also does capoeira,
but it even incorporates royal guards,
like armored design elements into the shoulders.
And has Bobbing and Weaving involved.
To be fair, I think since it's fiery,
it might be named after the Balrog.
Named after the King of Fire Hell, as it says right there.
However, the EPO moves that Dante is pulling off
on fucking everything is just, yeah, I'm spent.
I'm spent, you're seeing me days later,
like burnt out from just watching this footage.
It's good that you're spent,
because you're going to spend a lot of time in blowing mode.
Yeah, blow mode.
The best name.
So in the IGN footage that the guy uploaded,
he takes, he makes a point to confirm
the distorted real impact is in the game.
We see it at the end of the little footage teaser.
Yeah, but he does it with the life bar visible,
so you can see that it works like it did before.
He distorts it while he's doing it,
because we see real impact, yeah.
And you low profile, high moves with that,
so that's awesome.
That's great.
Does this character have anything to do
with the Lord of the Rings Balrog,
or is that just a coincidence?
No, no, no, no, you're on the same,
you're on the right place, like Fire Demon.
The Fire Demon Balrog is what this is named for.
That's probably the big guy that we see in the trailers.
You know the guy who puts a car into his stomach?
Yeah, probably.
What is that noise?
Matt, Matt was digging around.
Sounds happen sometimes.
The motorcycle is Cavalier,
which is a fucking great name for a motorcycle
that turns into two great stories.
It's the weapon that you get from the insanely
amazing looking bat swordsman boss
that you see in the trailer.
And my only question, my question is like,
how long can you stay on the motorcycle?
Apparently, so much like the fists and feet
have punch and kicks as separate modes.
The motorcycle has motorcycle and weapons as separate modes.
Sorry, Big Demon's name is Goliath.
Yeah, but maybe the weapon is called Balrog, right?
Cause like the frog guy wasn't called Pandora, right?
And Lucifer was the weapon that you got from Burial,
remember?
Mm-hmm, Neven.
In DMC three, they shared the name,
but in DMC four, they didn't.
They don't, yeah, okay.
But yeah, no, you can just choose to run it as a weapon,
or you can choose to run it as a motorcycle,
or you can choose to switch.
So you could just level the platform,
the entire gate, the entire level on the motorcycle
and just play it as a bike.
Your movement seems to change too
when you're on the motorcycle, it's nuts.
I imagine speed running is gonna heavily involve Cavalier.
Unless it's bad, right?
Unless it's a bad weapon.
It seems amazing.
Even the fact that he's just doing sick burnouts
and just hitting the group makes me wonder,
what's the downside of Cavalier?
So it seems incredible.
Interview came out, Cavalier is an unused weapon concept
from Devil May Cry 2.
I saw that.
The motorcycle he rides into.
Amazing.
And that's why the motorcycle into
is given so much attention,
but it never got used, unfortunate.
And that's the one that nobody liked, right?
Oh boy, it is a legend in bad.
Okay.
So how's the reception to this then,
if it's from the second one?
It's an amazing idea.
That never actually got there.
I see.
And there's things about two that are awesome.
Like the look of the characters.
Dante, the main character, gets an amazing jacket
and he looks really stylish in that game.
It's just legendarily awful gameplay wise
and story is pretty forgettable too.
And the other thing, like for example,
to your like the motorcycle idea is from two,
but into there's actually only one melee weapon
and it's just a sword.
So if that motorcycle weapon had been into,
you could probably kick an entire point onto that game
because it would have a different weapon.
Yeah.
It's unfortunately a game
where you can just mash the X button
and hold forward and beat the entire thing.
Maybe even not holding forward.
But anyway, so yeah, Dante is out.
He's got all his info.
That trailer showed off.
The, who we don't have a full breakdown on yet,
but we know that-
Rivers and leaks have said
that he is a demon controlling guy.
Well, he's, one, he looks like Kylo Ren.
Yeah.
Two, he's walking around
and he's seen holding the book much like Arkham.
Yeah.
And he can't run very fast.
The thought process is that, yeah,
he's probably gonna be-
In the end of the gameplay footage-
He does look like Kylo Ren.
He really does.
So in the end of the gameplay footage that came out,
he's trying to catch up to Dante
and he does in fact have a very pronounced limp.
So he cannot move very quickly at all.
He has a cane, yeah.
Yeah.
So it's soon, I'll put out, it's soon, I'll put it,
no, there's an interview with a student
that came out a few hours ago
and when she says the team and us,
like we design all these characters
and then we're like, yeah,
and then we went and watched Star Wars
and we were like, oh, fuck.
Oh, really?
So they were working on this before Force Awakens.
That's hilarious.
That like, it was completely unintentional.
And yeah, he looks exactly like Kylo Ren.
It's crazy, right?
His hair is really the same.
And like-
The hair is spot on.
And like, and then,
so what we see of him in the trailer
is him just kind of getting punked.
You know, a little bit like-
Great way to get your character over.
But we also saw that like him in the dark
or someone that's appeared to be like him
or dressed like him was ripping off the devil bringer.
So that is super not him at all.
Is it not the same cloak and cover?
Good thing the tattoos are missing, right?
It's very different and it has been confirmed
via eagle-eyed viewers that that is totally Virgil.
He's got, because the details on his coat
looked like a specific thing,
like the undercoat of Virgil.
Yes, people were able to like design details from his clothes.
But so that's the thing.
And I guess when we saw like V from the back,
you just assumed that was the same hooded character.
Also Daniel Southward, like a couple of days ago,
posted on his like social media page,
just now I'm motivated in a picture of DMC5's logo.
Yeah, okay.
So why would that happen?
Yeah, Virgil's gonna be an antagonist.
But the hooded unknown fake out is definitely that.
Yeah, it was supposed to make us think that it was V.
But yeah, it was-
This hooded character named V
that is clearly has motivation for ripping off
this kid's arm is actually not his.
That is my baby door.
Oh, it's him.
I love the progression of this trailer.
Yeah, yeah, that is a baby arm.
Of Dante's life.
Of Dante's life.
I'm starting up a business.
Wow, business is booming.
Ah, business is okay.
Business is a little slow.
There's no electricity on in my bar.
The water is turned off.
The idea as well of like Devil May Cry
having an expansion team in Nero's van is great.
Where it's like, yeah,
it's always been a bit of a shit show at the office,
but now we got a van on the road.
I just love like the one little shot in the trailer
of his, I don't know, broker or whatever,
going to see him.
The light is off on the front of the bar.
The lights are flickering inside
and he's like, the water needs turning on
and the toilets need flushing.
Yeah, yeah.
So this business where they receive no money
is probably not a great idea.
Fucking millennials.
And the best part about all that
is as awful as this business is going.
As the website describes,
Dante is a known savior of the planet.
Yeah.
But that doesn't get you paid, does it?
Exactly.
He's a hero to Earth.
So in DMC4, we saw that like Lady has her own business
that she does well in.
She would.
And it's the same outfit.
It's cause Dante has no marketing.
Dante also causes enormous-
I'm gonna start on YouTube channel or something.
I would watch Dante's YouTube channel so bad.
It would just be periscopes, honestly.
Pranks.
It'd be awful, awful periscopes.
And it'd be like confusing.
He'd be like the worst Vine account of all time.
Just blurry.
Check it out.
Oh shit, they can see me in the reflection.
Got some pizza.
So Ruben Langdon has a YouTube channel
and he puts up a ton of shit on there from the series.
Ruben, please do like a fucking shitty
Domino's Pizza review as Dante.
That'd be amazing.
Also Ruben cosplaying this weekend.
With his wife.
As Lady.
That was pretty incredible.
You wanna rework your sentence?
Ruben was not cosplaying as Lady.
No, I said with his wife as Lady.
So you said with his wife and I said as Lady.
Yeah, okay.
I made that bad, I'm sorry.
Wow, there's so much to go on with that we can-
We haven't even gotten to the news.
No, because so this new trailer looks incredible.
There's 20 minutes of footage in which you see
Dante fighting a boss and S-ranking a bunch of-
You also see-
And that boss is just a really, really cool fight.
It looks like Solzy.
Yes.
Before we get out of gameplay details,
I need to mention something.
The enemy roster in this game is fucking enormous.
It's all the enemies are back.
There are more enemies in that 20 minute like demonstration
than most of the Devil May Cry series.
Almost every enemy ever has returned,
including Nello Angelo as a regular enemy.
Did you see that?
Night type enemies.
I don't think it was exact-
It's got the horns, does it?
It's down to the horns, it's wild.
It's just a shitty Nello Angelo.
But yeah, it's enormous, it's crazy.
Cos yeah, you fought Puppets in one,
you fought the bug fuckers,
you fought the knights like all of the enemies
from the previous games appear to be in five.
Yeah, so-
All the warriors.
Yeah, yeah, so tons of great gameplay details
to skim over and-
There, that's around there.
Digest.
At least trying to find the Nello Angelo guy
that I was talking about on YouTube.
Yeah.
Here, you don't want to hand me the mouse.
Okay.
I'll find it for you while you talk.
Oh, well the next point was actually gonna be
about what came out with the microtransactions.
Oh yeah.
But-
Friendly, friendly microtransactions are pals.
So yeah, so an announcement came out as well
that DMC5 is going to feature the ability
to buy red orbs as microtransactions.
Much like DMC4 did.
DMC4 Special Edition.
Oh, that was only added in Special Edition?
Only Special Edition, I believe.
And yeah, so there was a, I see,
wow, even the purple cape and everything.
Yeah, you're super right.
It's very close, very, very close.
Like if you take-
Now he's like a jobber enemy.
If you take, here you go.
If you take a screenshot, his head is insane.
Yeah, that's that, you're right.
You're super right.
Absolutely.
So bosses from earlier games are now coming back
as regular enemies.
And he's even as tall too.
Anyway, so the, so yeah, the announcement came out
that microtransactions are gonna be into the game.
And yeah, a lot of, you know, negative attention
from that obviously because nobody wants to hear that.
You're making microtransactions.
Nobody wants to hear that shit.
Jim did his typical video.
And it sounds like red orbs aren't
like a cosmetic thing either, am I right?
No, they're XP basically.
Oh, okay, so you literally, that's your goal
to get in the game and you can just buy.
It's currency to buy moves.
To buy moves.
Yeah, okay.
You buy moves, you buy health upgrades, you buy-
So the benefit of spending money on red orbs
is that you would then be able to buy all the
like later moves right away and just get a full moveset.
Right, you just like blow through the game.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, of course, like having a full moveset
doesn't necessarily make you better.
It just gives you access to more tools.
Right.
But ultimately-
The main question is, are the orb rates fucked up
to make you buy them in the cash shop?
Yeah, like is it, are you incentivized to spend the money
because otherwise earning it normally is now fucked, right?
Is the worry whenever you hear about this type of thing.
As of the TGS demo, the answer is no.
And the reason why we know that is because dual shockers
did a little breakdown on the cost of everything
and how much X and how many red orbs you generally get
as you go through the game.
And it appears that it is actually more generous
than it used to be in the older games,
especially as me and while we played through
DMC one or currently playing through DMC three,
the actual numbers that I'm looking at here
seem actually easier to obtain than in the older games.
Probably because you're gonna be switching
between three characters.
So to break it down for everybody,
what it reported was that, yeah,
I saw the progression menu cost,
this is from dual shockers,
between 8,000 and 10,000 orbs of tier one,
tier two ability I saw cost 20,000 orbs
and the top ability of the Cavalier line
was 35,000 and items, 1,500 orbs will get you 30%
of your life back, 3,000 if you want 100
and so on and so forth.
Now permission, it says I started a level
with 43, 77 orbs and by the final boss,
I had reached 26, 8, 43.
Just by killing enemies and breaking stuff.
So killing stuff and breaking stuff,
you get about 22, 4, 66 orbs is what he got.
So yeah, you got a lot that you could then spend
around shit immediately.
And that's in addition to your ranking bonus,
which doubles that or triples that or quadruples that.
So finishing with the higher rank,
if you're extremely good,
you could earn twice that post mission bonus.
So a B rank provided 20,000 orbs
and you can get up to like 60
by tripling that with a higher rank.
So this basically feels like it is the equivalent
of the Tales games selling you a bunch of levels
if you're too lazy to actually just blind once.
And while it is.
It doesn't seem as bad
because it wasn't like at the start of,
no, not started DLC,
but very early on in the DLC,
like kind of marketplace last gen.
Yeah. And while it's the word no one wants to hear
at the very least, it's hyper-ignorable.
So. Yeah.
It's nowhere near like the Star Wars Battlefront II level.
Oh, not yet.
No, no, no.
So there are two things that I want to say about that.
One, these could change.
Yeah. This is not the funny thing.
Right?
They could just do last second.
I personally don't think that's going to happen,
but they could.
So we've got to have that as an option.
And as a person who's playing DMC three right now,
to get all of the moves in that game,
you actually have to grind like crazy.
Yeah. Grinding is, is,
like I spent like maybe five, six, seven hours
over the past couple of days grinding out moves,
just, just getting moves in DMC three.
Oh, have you been?
Yeah, absolutely.
You started right away.
Okay.
Yeah.
The airhike cost, by the way,
airhike does not share between.
So you got to pop 20K per each.
Each one. Okay.
Cause yeah, we had a little discussion
after our session last time about like,
are you going to grind that?
When are you going to, when are you going to do it?
That was in the session.
Yeah. So.
And the answer is, yeah,
got to get that whole move set.
Now there's one exception to the DMC five abilities
and there's a three million orb purchase.
That's a special taunt that lets you increase
your style rank more efficiently.
Yeah. It's, you know,
it doesn't want to talk about it.
He says it's a spoiler and it's a little surprise.
So it's probably some real goofy shit.
And again, I can see that being like,
very much in a game without microtransactions
still being like a, if you fucking earned it,
I imagine you get this huge award.
So if anybody knows,
go back and look at the halo cost for items in Bayonetta one
and see that there are items that cost like,
hundreds of thousands of halos in that game.
And it is legitimately fucking hard to unlock all of them
just through regular play.
Like in Bayonetta one,
I remember having to grind a lot to get that shit.
I'm wondering what the hell it could be.
I mean, chicken dance.
Like we've already got the drop kick.
We've already got the hood up, Willie.
We've already got the fucking shredding.
So, you know what I want it to be.
I want it to be that fucking dance.
I want it to be a taunt.
That's that fucking shitty two frame dance.
Oh, the fucking left, right, left, right.
That would be absolutely worth it
if they squeeze that in there.
I'm going to try and look this up
so tears who can know what the fuck we're talking about.
Yeah, put this on the, yeah.
DMCV dance gift.
That thing is, that thing has taken off.
Type in DMCV dance gift.
And the first two results are just all the characters
in the game doing this incredibly shitty
like one frame dance.
To the point where the, oh, it's on our subreddit.
Yeah.
To the point that the director of the game
like was doing it live action at a recent trade show.
Yeah, at Gamescom.
If this thing loads up.
It's having trouble.
It's having some trouble doing it.
But yeah, it is just this shitty little MS paint drawing
of all the little characters doing this one or two frame jig.
Yeah.
It is the ultimate catharsis of old fans being like, yay.
It's back.
It's back.
Yay, I'm happy.
That's it.
It's just a feel good little dance.
Anyway, so I want it to be that.
Oh, I see it.
That for the three million taunt would be amazing.
Yes.
That would be the best agreed, fucking agreed.
Co-sign that.
It reminds me of like when you're,
if you guys ever played RuneScape,
like the dance demo on RuneScape,
it's just like so simple.
And yes, so iconic.
It's like, fuck all those Fortnite kids
and their Fortnite dances.
Bring this in.
Our stupid dances.
Our stupid dances.
Our stupid dances are way better.
It isn't even animated.
It's just the, oh, you know what?
You can't do it in real life.
I need, dude, I need it to be like their model locks
into place and then it just twitches.
Clips frames.
It just, yeah.
No, no, because the version where he has to do it
like human like and normal with in between frames.
That's tough.
Hard, but way better would be the 3D model
actually not having in between frames
and just snapping from left to right.
It'd be great with a little bounce on it.
Anyway, so the microtransaction thing.
And now all I want to know is what that thing is.
Because if that's what it is, then boy, are they listening,
huh?
If that, if that's what it ended up being, oh.
But yeah, so ultimately not a problem.
Yeah, microtransaction fears are currently overstated.
Unless things change.
Keep your ear out, but we'll let you know.
All right.
You may think we're biased, but trust me,
nothing would bum me out more than for microtransactions
to fuck up this thing.
I spent like after so long.
God, what a stupid way to, you know.
Like a lot of people forget this,
but it's, you know, his last game that he put out,
Dragon's Dogma also has a shit ton of microtransactions,
but everybody forgets they're in the game
because they're so pointless.
They're the exact same thing, they're just bi-currency.
We just need to talk a little bit about Lady
and then how her new design is the best ever.
Well, how about the fact that Lady
can't possibly have a bad design?
Nope, just great.
Every single incarnation of this character is incredible.
And her alternate design that is shown
in the pre-order thing is also amazing.
It's great!
It's just like, I'm like of all the characters
across any of these games.
It's like Lady is the one where she changes the most
and it always fucking works.
She's great.
And Trish is Trish.
Trish is there.
Hey, Trish.
Hello, Barb Wire.
Yeah.
Trish is there pretty much.
Yeah.
This is super consistent.
Except now she has like a human face.
Yeah.
Which I don't like.
You don't like her human face?
You know what she needs?
She needs like a Bowser tail and a shell.
Stop it, stop it.
Stop it!
She needs some spikes.
Stop it!
I mean, she's halfway there, right?
She's actually wearing something really similar.
Orange, orange skin.
Yeah.
I see you, I see you.
That's Dante's mommy.
Any other, is there any other news?
About Dante, is there any other news?
Or about Devil May Cry?
Look, look, look.
I mean, like the Capcast could continue
as long as we wanted it to.
Yeah.
But we should jump into the second biggest story
of the week.
Unless you had one more thing you wanted to say.
About Devil May Cry?
No, there's nothing else.
Okay.
Okay, what's the next news?
Don't wanna talk about the song?
The song.
Did you forget?
No, because I played it for anyone
who was jumping into the stream
as the loading fucking thing.
Oh boy, oh boy.
Little V, little V.
Can you save the world?
Yeah, so this is.
What are you talking about?
So, this is perfect, because we've got tears
in here and you guys don't know
what the fuck we're talking about.
So we have a real new person to talk to.
Okay, so the first trailer came out
for Devil May Cry 5 and alongside it,
they played a theme song for Nero,
the main character in that
and it was a really fun song called Devil Trigger.
And it's trashy and awful and it's the best.
We love it because it's bad.
Yeah.
And it's catchy and it grows on you
and you can't forget it.
And the lyrics are really lame.
They're really lame.
And you know, come to think of it,
Nero doesn't even have a Devil Trigger.
Doesn't.
No, he doesn't.
Anyway, so they then released Dante's theme
that'll play during his gameplay.
It's called Subhuman.
And it is bad.
So first things first, it tries to be metal,
but then ends up landing somewhere in Scrimmo.
It is very much Scrimmo, I feel.
Very Cookie Monster lyrics.
Yeah, like that Brian Posein fucking metal.
Yeah, that thing.
And it just, that's the main problem right off the bat
is just that it's not a good song.
It hit the internet and the dislike bar explode
and it is just straight up bad.
And when you compare it to previous, like,
Devils Never Cry, Lock and Load,
all the other battle themes that Devil May Cry has had,
it's like the weakest with a bullet.
And the whole series, like right off the bat.
Like an anti-bullet going down.
It's unbelievably terrible.
So there's that.
And then Capcom pulled the YouTube video down of the song
going, mm, maybe people don't like it.
And then like 12 hours later.
Well, no, it was before, actually.
Yeah, they pulled the song down before the news.
Oh, OK.
All right.
So then about, I want to say like 12 hours later,
but it wasn't even a day.
But I think they were getting whispers of it, though,
because the press really seems to imply it.
It comes out, it's like, hey, Capcom,
did you know that the lead vocalist of this band
might be a creepy sex pervert who creeps on underage chicks?
And Capcom went, no.
We didn't know that at all.
And they released a statement immediately,
like that day, going, oh, shit, didn't know about that.
We'll see what we can do.
And then the day after that, the song
was taken out of the TGS demo.
So now it's just devil trigger players.
And now they said they're going to de-emphasize it
in marketing materials, and they'll see what happens.
That song is gone.
There's no fucking way.
They spent the time recompiling the fucking TGS
bill to pull the song out.
And it just so happens that all of this news
is associated with a song that sucked.
Yeah.
So I'm listening to the song.
It's pretty bad.
It's really bad.
So it's like, so My Inner Cynic is really cynical.
And My Inner Cynic says that if the song wasn't universally
reviled, this might have played out differently.
It might have.
It might have just.
Unfortunately.
It might have played out going, we didn't know,
but song's done, so we'll do better next time.
Or whatever, right?
Or just don't push it, but leave it, but it's there.
The ensuing scandal almost gives them
get out of jail free card to replace the song
without actually having to say that they made a bad song.
Actually, yeah, that's a really good point.
Yeah, they can just pull it down just for that.
Yeah, furthermore, the day after, with all the news
that they announced, they also included information
that you can use any of the previous games music
as your battle theme.
Yeah.
They also announced voice packs for the ranking.
So the option to replace that shit
was there anyway.
And it's the same thing they're doing with Resident Evil.
They're like, don't like the game's current sound music?
Replace it with the old music.
Think we did a bad job?
Here's the old shit you don't stop crying about.
How's my driving?
Call this number.
So like, do you think that song will ever be heard again?
Marketing-wise?
Absolutely not.
Why would it not marketing-wise?
I mean, in game.
In the game, I don't know if they will yank it out
of the game, perhaps because of contractual obligations.
But it's hard to say.
There's a possibility the game ships with it.
I don't think it's necessarily yanked,
but I definitely think they're going
to see if they can put something else there,
get something else put together.
I think that they're all very happy
that they seem to have dodged the scandal with their quick
response and just nuking it from public coverage.
I cannot possibly see that song being
in the final game.
Well, I can't promise anything will super
happen through a source.
I was able to get Little V's stuff in front of Capcom
to hopefully see if anything can work out there.
So everyone give Little V-
Your energy.
Noted musician and cool guy-
Remixer.
Your energy.
Remixer of Devil Way Cry music,
more than capable of mainlining it.
To fix this problem for Capcom.
That would be fucking sick.
Little V, whose music has been featured for Street Fighter
5 on the main stage at EVO already.
His guitar solo is in killer instinct.
It's there.
The precedent has occurred.
And the fact that all his Twitter
said that day was, yes, I heard it,
and I'll see what I can do.
So I would like to give a little golf clap to Capcom
that for whatever reason, they actually
chose to do something.
Boy, they jumped on that real fast, didn't they?
I mean, right.
I mean, because even like, let's say,
before any rumors started coming up about the band
or whatever, it's like they can see at least
from the marketing perspective of, OK, we released this song
the first time you showed off the game.
It has 3 million views.
People love it.
And let's release this other song.
Who's like, I mean, to some people,
the most anticipated character, which is Dante.
I mean, which is I love Nero.
It's the classic hero.
It's the classic hero.
And they, again, see the dislike bar go up.
And they're just, ooh.
Remember what Itsuno said live on stage?
Which was?
This game will exceed all of your expectations.
It's the best game I'll ever make.
It's the best in the franchise.
It will kill your other games.
He really pointed at the fucking stands with this one.
He's calling out that home run.
And you have to assume he knows his balls are on the line
with it because he's promised so much.
There can't be a hideous, ugly blemish
on your perfect project.
Even the microtransactions thing is something that's like.
You can kind of wave that off.
And I mean, remember, he only for now.
3 was born from the fact that after he tried to save
but couldn't save 2.
I don't want to be the guy known for double make cry 2.
So he made a whole other game.
That was the best in the franchise up to that point.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, man.
It's a whole crazy thing.
But either way, goodbye, Subhuman.
Goodbye.
Never to be heard again.
Hopefully.
God, what a trash song.
Holy fuck.
I think there were like, yeah.
It was also mixed badly too.
Sure is.
The trailer mix is much better.
Like Dante is like, oh, he needs a heavy metal crunchy thing.
No, just make the same fucking stupid trashy song.
He already made.
Just make a different one.
Nobody's going to be like.
The way Cry 3 has like four or five different types of those.
Yeah.
And they're all garbage.
And I love all of them.
Though it's clear that their intention
is to have a distinct soundtrack for Nero
and soundtrack for Dante.
No.
That's different from each other.
Just go get them.
No, no.
But it needs to be character-appropriate garbage.
Just go get the fucking band that
did some of the old music.
Then just feel free to die.
Comedy class enough.
Comedy class.
Like that shit.
The fear in your eyes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, yeah.
And then call the old bluff.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, see?
Yeah.
That was much better.
And it was just as bad.
Like, Devils never cried.
Do you know how much fun it was?
Like, just every time you go back and watch that fucking trailer,
singing it, who doesn't sing along
to We Are Falling The Night Is Calling?
No one, no one, no one sings.
Or just the guys, because I know it's a different group,
but everyone that made music for MGS Rising
just fucking get that maniac agenda.
Maniac agenda.
They're good.
They're good at video games.
I don't know about regular music.
But just Lil V.
Just get it.
Who else is good?
Lil V.
Yeah, Lil V. Mills.
All right.
Fix it.
God damn, we drove on.
Yeah, but it's about something that really matters.
This Capcast has been interrupted
so that we can talk about one of the messiest company
shutdowns of all time.
Capcom Vancouver.
No.
Oh, that too.
That was this week.
Capcom Vancouver just dissolved overnight.
Oh, shit, you're right.
You're right.
Capcom Vancouver shut down, and everyone saw it coming.
Yeah, totally.
So before we get into it, because it's obviously
a bit more like to it, but I just
want to say that that really actually
sucks for Capcom Vancouver, because it's
like, I know publishing and developing,
like it goes hand in hand.
But it's like, it's smacks of Capcom.
Just make more dead rising.
Don't stop.
You should do these things.
Make what we tell you to make, how we tell you to make it.
Why isn't it selling your fire?
OK, make this awful rendition of Puzzle Fighter.
And you should do it like this.
And then it's like, well, these didn't sell well.
It's not cute enough.
It's a little different if the fact
that they own the company, it's Capcom Vancouver
for fuck's sake, but it wasn't for a number of years.
It was Blue Castle Games.
And I'm like, that that's a company working for you
for a little bit.
But then it's like, now it just became Capcom.
And you just shut you shut that section down.
It's like, I know Japan funding and they have very few
of these companies left, companies that are not in Japan
that work for them forever.
That's correct, actually.
I think it's the only one, maybe.
And I'm just like, you cannot find any other project for them
to work on.
They can't port anything.
They can do nothing.
So have you seen that that that gif of like the guy
trying to sleep in his bed and then there's a party next door
and everyone's doing the Devil May Cry dance.
Yeah.
And the music is like, it's like,
like the like that's Capcom Vancouver and the neighbors over
in Japan are just fucking doing the dance because we just
Capcom Japan is fucking flying right now.
We just talked for 45 minutes to an hour about DMC five details.
And then we forgot to put the shutdown of Capcom Vancouver
on and in that press release where they're like, man,
this is acceptable losses because Monster Hunter did so well.
Well, if Monster Hunter did so well, then can we not?
Like if Monster Hunter did poorly, they had no big hits.
That'll be like, oh, shit. Yeah, it turns out tough.
So if anything, times are turning up for you.
Here's how I feel.
This actually went down.
Blue Blue Castle and Capcom Vancouver,
Blue Castle slash Capcom Vancouver was acquired
during the Westernization push that Unafune was spearheading,
which also led to DMC Devil May Cry.
Yeah. Capcom a few years ago said, we're going to focus a lot
harder on internal development.
Yeah. In our Japanese.
Which is good, which is a good thing.
Which it did.
Capcom is now riding high like it hasn't since the fucking 90s
on the strength of their ultra Japanese or at least very early on
in the 360 era, where it was just dead rising.
Well, I mean, on the strength of their old IPs, right?
Like Monster Monster Hunter is about as popular as a Japanese game
has pretty much ever been.
So like with the way dead rising has been going and selling
and its focus and all that shit, it is on.
This is the flip side of us being super hyped about Monster Hunter
and Devil May Cry and all these classic Japanese Capcom things
is Capcom going, oh, look how much money the Japanese studios are making.
Just doing what we've always done.
Why do we even really?
Why did we even acquire this Western studio?
Oh, because Unafune told us to.
Yeah. And Strider wasn't a mistake.
Wasn't. Was not.
No, no, is one of the very few of like the last, you know, what five years ago now.
Yeah, almost where I was like, wow, that came out really.
Some of those Western projects panned out a bunch of them.
But it's like I was sick of dead rising at dead rising three.
I was dead rising and dead rising two.
Because dead rising two didn't live up to the promise of K zero.
But dead rising two is still a success and fine or whatever.
But it's like whose decision was it to make an Xbox one exclusive,
not Blue Castle? Very likely not.
Whose whose decision was to make a dead rising for an Xbox exclusive
timed exclusive and like recast the actor that played Frank?
Probably not Blue Castle.
I'm just saying what I assume.
But I'm like, who makes it like if you're a developer,
you kind of want to keep your ear low to what the fans are saying.
They want to Frank back. Cool.
Put Frank in there. That's cool.
But it's like, let's not take his voice actor and let's make him very different.
I mean, that game was almost a reboot.
It was so close to being a reboot.
Did you ever even play it before? No, it was.
Like they mentioned dead rising one as this mythical thing
that may or may not have barely happened.
And that's like, no, Frank is doing this now.
And then like it's so far removed from the first one.
And they tried to fix it all with DLC to put the time limits back in.
You can't do that. Yeah.
Lost Planet was always Japanese, right?
All of those games. No, no, not the third one.
First one was flawed, but fun.
Second game was really flawed, but fun.
And both those were made by Japanese developers.
Spinoff game was super Japanese.
And then the Lost Planet 3 was a trash fire made by a Western studio.
Yeah, who made it?
I don't even remember. I don't even remember their name.
Me and Matt, we played it at E3
and we got a piece of footage of me just staring at it
because it was so fucking ass.
And all it was like a weird first person segment.
Spark Unlimited. Oh my God.
Legendary, the box.
Yeah, shoot your griffins.
I think your chat thinks I died again.
Well, unless you know about legendary, they made Yaba.
They made Ninja Gaiden Z Yaba.
Don't die, Tier Zoo.
I'm really sorry if anyone if anyone is that used to work at Spark Unlimited.
Like because they died in 20, 20, 15.
But I'm sorry, I'm looking at your list of games.
You are jobbers.
Yeah. Call of duty fucking finest hour, turning point,
fall of liberty, those games game development is hard.
I know those games are great list of games.
You know what?
I bet they never got the time and money they needed.
And then the fact for the fact that those games came out bad.
Lost Planet 3 and Ninja Gaiden Z, probably.
My brain, your best game has lost Planet 3.
No, it's not about the existence of Yaba.
That trailer had some cool shit in it, though.
Liam and I got hype over.
I remember I remember getting hype for some cool shit.
But yeah, Capcom Vancouver is gone.
Sorry, guys.
Yep. All right.
So luckily, hey, guys, luckily,
there's plenty of open jobs in the game industry right now.
And there's no other big closures to take those spots.
Yeah.
Man, Stranger Things was about to get a game.
It was. Oh, was it really?
Yeah.
Telltale Among Us was about to get another game.
Telltale was making a Stranger Things game.
They're also making a Marvel game, I think.
But all that's shut down because Telltale's canceled and it sucks.
Zoo, have you played Telltale Games?
I haven't played any of the Telltale Games, but I've watched them
and they looked really fun.
I'm disappointed.
Well, that's appropriate, I suppose.
Yeah, because that was part of the news, wasn't it?
Yeah, none of the Telltale Games made any money except for Walking Dead.
And yeah, that's what I heard.
And there was another one, Minecraft.
Minecraft, the diminishing returns graph on every new on every new game
was hugely low.
Man, I did myself for.
Bigly shocking for the Walking Dead season two.
I would have thought that must have.
And what came up in a couple of these articles was that apparently
the the fact that people were watching along Let's Plays
since their very cinematic experiences, right,
meant that they didn't purchase the game and say to see the variants on their own.
The main actually makes a lot of sense.
I would like to actually put that issue up and not just because it's covering
our own ass is potentially responsible.
But until dawn did not have that problem.
It didn't. Yeah, until dawn didn't have that problem.
Because I view this as a design life is strange and have that problem.
Life is strange till three million copies.
First of a new thing, though.
Right. But every Telltale game is technically the first.
You're right.
But like the more accurate comparison would be like an until dawn two or three
and a life is strange two and three.
That's awesome.
The way that I see that's just sequels in general design problem
in that Jim puts a video today about Telltale's death.
And I think we can all agree that we all started to really see through the formula
real bad like the formula became like naked and bare to us after a while
because the writers left.
No, not just because of that, because of the design.
The design of having an episodic and the design of having everything
have to dovetail impact into itself.
And then the design of having three different franchises per year
that are always coming out, but I do think that's the writing
because Tales of the Borderlands didn't have that problem.
Sure. Right. Let me get.
Let me finish my point. Sure. Sorry.
You can compare for all their faults, all the David Cage games.
Life is strange until dawn and even that council game,
that weird council game you guys play.
Yeah, we don't know how that's selling.
That's not. Yeah, but they all have their formula,
but their formula isn't so obvious to the player as they are doing it.
That it you don't feel the need to go through it again.
So heavy rain.
When I first did it, I went through it again immediately to see what could change.
And it turns out not as much as you would think because but the illusion was there.
Right. For until dawn, there is actually no illusion.
There is actually a lot of shit you can change in that game.
David Cage says, don't play my games twice.
Well, he clearly changed his mind for Detroit because Detroit is wildly variable.
And we know that we did two LPs of it and they turned out totally different.
But the meme, your choices don't matter is a telltale associated statement.
It is a telltale problem.
Yeah. And I'm going to put that on two things.
One, just design issues they just they couldn't figure the way through.
And because they were so overworked by their shitty company,
they had to just bang these out.
And the second thing is the episodic format means that everything has to kind of
get to where it needs to be by the end of the episode.
It also gives them an opportunity to make money faster on these on these releases,
which is something that works out when it's doing when it's doing big numbers
right off the bat. It makes money right off when episode one does really well.
But what we saw in the closure was a lot of news came out.
A lot of a lot of messy things, a lot of really absurdly bad news.
But things that we've been complaining about for years now have an explanation
for them, such as why are you sticking with the telltale tool
when it's clearly technically a problem?
All kinds of bugs happening constantly over the course of multiple games
that and they're big, they're bad problems that don't get fixed.
Why? And it's because they were in a state of crunch for years for the pretty
much the entire collective memory of us as of the company.
They've been in crunch.
Now, I wanted to say like me and Willie, I think there might be like an episode
or two left of the last session of Tales of the Borderlands that we did.
And we hadn't the news hadn't broken out when we recorded it.
And I had said during it that like maybe now from this point on,
like maybe two, three weeks ago, the CEO or a head guy at Telltale made a quote
saying, yeah, you know what, we really kind of overdid it like about a year or two ago.
We were releasing way too much stuff and we were in a rut and quality went down.
And he goes, we're back on the road or something like that to your cuckoo.
And guess what?
For the final season of Walking Dead, I had only heard good things.
But that statement was contingent on this final season making somebody.
Well, and the second one wasn't going to do it.
It's not going to be this one.
Plus, there was that weird other one that we did.
Yeah, there are multiple weird other ones.
Yeah, there's three seasons and this final season is the fourth one.
There's more than that.
Then there's ones we didn't even touch.
There is Walking Dead season one.
There's Walking Dead 400 days.
Yeah, then there's the Walking Dead season two.
Then there's Walking Dead, a new frontier, which is season three.
Then there's the final one.
The final season is season four, but there's also the Mejoan side arc.
Yeah, which we didn't touch.
Yeah, yeah, it never bothered me.
Because it has to do with the product.
This has anything to do with like the fact that the actual TV show,
Walking Dead has really taken a tumble as well.
Yeah, they're trying a percentage for sure.
I don't know how much and not to mention that AMC just came out with there.
We want Walking Dead to live forever.
We're going to create more series and spinoffs insane.
But in a short rundown of all the bullshit that the folks who work to.
So we we need to really make a distinction to those at home
to make sure that it's clear what we're talking about.
When we talk about telltale sucks or whatever,
I personally am talking about the company and the way that it was run,
not the vast majority of the developers and the employees.
Because those people got fucked by the company they worked for.
Right, because it went bankrupt.
The layoffs are not eligible for employment insurance of any kind.
And so a bunch of them because they were technically contractors.
So nobody got severance either.
And people had relocated their lives to the place up until like that.
You said like five days ago.
They're like a week that they just hired a couple more people
like within this month that moved across country and a bunch of them
found out that they were fired from the article reporting on the shutdown of the company,
which this is sadly a thing that always happens becoming the norm.
And we'll continue to happen because the employee firing security thing
is always one of like we need to like basically last minute,
give this news to people so that they can not have to worry
about reactions beforehand while the company's still running.
I saw somebody talking about it's the escort out of the office.
I think it might have been Alpha Gamble,
but I'm not sure he might have just retweeted it or maybe my memory is wrong.
But it was somebody talking about how they were used to be in death
and they once learned that their team was getting fired
because the building manager was showing around guys in suits
through their office saying, yeah, this spot's going to be free in about three months.
There you go.
And everybody in Dev just poked their heads up went, fucking what?
Yeah. Yeah.
Sorry, look at we have the sales numbers or the steam numbers
which isn't the most accurate in the world.
It's what you have.
And it's also the timeline for all the things they put out, right?
Because here's the thing, right?
Some people like it's easy to forget some of the in-between releases here.
But like there was a point where when Game of Thrones and like Guardians of the Galaxy
were coming out and such, well, I can't say Guardians of the Galaxy
because I haven't touched it, but Game of Thrones, we did the whole thing.
That's a huge ass name from a huge ass like series.
But in the end, it wasn't really memorable.
It didn't do a whole lot because it was stuck in the formula
and stuck in a franchise that where you can just how are you supposed to emulate
and how you're supposed to innovate on the formula
when you're in your work in 16 hour days for a year.
So we're seeing this chart here that you can just let us hold on.
Visual on a podcast.
If you if you just do a Google search for telltale game sales
and go to images, it's the first results.
Yeah, is the the the the chart.
The steam cells.
It's between 2010 and 2017.
In that seven years, they released 14 games.
OK, that's impressive.
2010 was back to the future of the game.
Just over half a million copies.
And then we're not talking about like playing or just just in terms of purchases.
Jurassic Park, the game, less than half of that for 2011.
Then the next year was The Walking Dead season one that shoots them up to
over 3.5 million.
The Walking Dead is the hottest shit ever at that in that year.
Yeah. And it's an original story, right?
It's not the exact TV show thing, right?
They're doing the right thing.
It wasn't even connected to the TV show.
Yeah, except for the the Asian guy, forgot his name.
Glad he was only there at one for one thing.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Then Wolf Among Us comes along and is one third or less of Walking Dead.
Walking Dead season two is less than half of Walking Dead.
Then Tales from the Borderlands is even less than Wolf Among Us.
Game of Thrones is less than that.
Minecraft is what? Sorry.
So because so all those things you just listed, yeah, that was two years.
Yeah. So we were saying a game a year up to that point.
But then it was Wolf Among Us 2013.
Walking Dead season two 2013.
Tales from the Borderlands 2014.
Game of Thrones 2014.
Doubling it up.
But like, yeah, you get Game of Thrones.
Then you get Minecraft Story, which is half of Game of Thrones.
Half of that.
Then Walking Dead Michonne, which is the same.
Batman, which is the same.
Walking Dead, A New Frontier, which is the same.
And that's three games in one year that are we're talking like one tenth
the sales of Walking Dead season one under a quarter million, right?
Then you hit Guardians of the Galaxy and Minecraft season two
and Batman and I mean, within which whose graphs are so small,
they barely are visible on this chart we're looking at.
I want to say just as they're like 20,000 sales.
What is that? Like, yeah, that's that's not 100 as a personal thing.
It really sucks that Batman season two is like that low
because it was the best one up until I had played Borderlands.
I'm like, this is the best Batman telltale game I've played in quite a while
because it was pretty different and fun and interesting or whatever.
But I mean, looking at this story risks,
but looking at this chart and you're running this business, it's a freefall.
This is not a sustainable business model.
It is. This is absolutely you're working off
the Walking Dead season one money until the money until the run until the run.
Yeah, it makes total sense why this company went under.
It's not that cry.
So they have no one new.
So so somebody like you could feel it.
You could feel it.
Let's go back in time to Walking Dead season two,
and it's less than half the result of Walking Dead season one, right?
The company's decision at the high end was, OK,
if they're going to sell this much,
we have to double down and make tons and tons and tons of games
to make up for the shortfall when, in fact, what they should have done
was the opposite and focus on making bangers.
But here's the problem.
Yeah. Banger doesn't work out.
You're done. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, this didn't work out either.
Of course. But it's hindsight.
You know what I mean?
You bet on multiple numbers on the roulette table or you throw it all on double zero.
The only real thing that I have to say to that is that it's still not
a good correlation, but the games business is the only business
in which quality and sales are positively correlated.
There is zero correlation between sales and quality in movies and film.
Movies, plays and fucking books and all that shit.
It's only in games that good reviews correspond with good sales.
Now, that doesn't mean something that reviews well will sell.
And it doesn't mean that something that reviews bad won't sell well,
but it means that your best indicator to actually sell your game is to make a good one.
And that's unique to the games business.
You mean that's your best shot?
Yeah. Yeah. It's the it's the one thing you can control is how good your game is.
I'm thinking about that.
And yeah, I because I've never heard that before.
There were a couple of other mediums ago.
I'm thinking of other mediums as well.
And word of mouth is always word of mouth.
But it's also I guess the reason why that works is because like
games are the most consumer
like the consumers are the most conscientious of their purchases
compared to other mediums.
I feel like like I'd agree with that because the commitment is high.
Right. It's it's one of the most expensive hobbies you can have.
Like it's more expensive than, say, going to a movie once a month,
you know, so it's more expensive than buying a book or whatever.
It's ninety dollars or in some cases, one hundred and forty dollars.
And by the whatever frequency you consume the content.
Yeah, which is like very like varied across.
Yeah, yeah.
Looking at this graph, it's like there was a three year gap
between one walking dead season between two and three.
And it's like, I mean, looking at this now and hindsight is twenty twenty,
but I assume it's like focus on the walking dead ended at season three.
See how that goes and then maybe make decisions based on all these crazy franchises.
But it's like, I'm sure tons of people were knocking at their door.
See, make a game for us.
Make a game for us.
And it's hard when Marvel or DC or fucking Game of Thrones is knocking on your
god damn door like there's a million we can share and gain the past as much as you want.
Like there's a million ways to go like they should have they should have.
But that's why I said hindsight.
Yeah, you know, you know, but when you look at this, it's like.
Well, here's the other thing because I've never seen this graph before.
To just visualize it in my head.
Like, whoa, what a fucked up thing.
Some of them realized that some of these names are so big.
Yeah, that you really wouldn't have guessed they'd be under
like less than half of what walking dead season one released more home star
runner games. That's that would have saved them is that you point out
that if that banger doesn't do well in the company's done under.
So maybe you do make a ton of games.
The other problem is that running your workforce ragged for like five years
isn't a good way to make things in this kind of business.
And just for the running like a fucking coal mine or some shit just work.
Well, I feel like that's kind of industry standard from what I've heard is that
it's fucked up. So, yeah, you're completely right.
It's a shame that it sucks that that's such a common thing that you're here about too.
It's a shame they didn't have like a two studio set up like how Call of Duty
and the Assassin's Creed still manages to like, you know,
squeak out through because like someone has a year off or whatever.
The game's business is one that assumes that there's going to be a fresh batch
of new recruits out of university that are itching to make games for low pay.
So you can burn out your core team.
I'm squinting an eye here and like eyeballing it,
but it looks like the collective sales of every other game combined
combined is less than probably dead season. I believe that
if not like just around the same level,
it looks like the collective sales did not reach 3.5 mil at any point.
And yeah, I'm getting an alert here that apparently
Clementine's voice actress didn't know until the day either.
Yeah, despite being asked to record lines.
Oh, and here's where we get to the redder tweets about it.
It was here's where we get to the final, even best part.
Those of you who bought the season pass for the Walking Dead final season,
your money's probably gone because it's going to be really hard to get it back
from a company that doesn't exist.
Now, granted, they're on a skeleton crew of 25 people to continue their obligations
is what the which is Minecraft.
Yeah. Granted, looking at these charts, not a lot of you probably bought the season pass,
but certainly some people did.
Also, the season, the final season of Walking Dead will have its second episode.
It will release.
Yeah.
And I am fascinated by how that game is actually going to end.
If they're going to last second, change it to it'll be incomplete.
It'll just be incomplete.
That is the most depressing thing in the world.
It is really sucky.
Yeah, it's not like they're going to have an ending stinger
and then it'll have a black screen that says Clementine died on her way back to her home.
No, no, no, I'm expecting a little post credit scene,
like the Sandlot or something like this is what happened to all the characters.
To be perfectly honest, I'm expecting an art book and or a comic.
Oh, comic.
To just skybound to just come out and just show you what they already had.
Probably put something out.
Yeah, but I feel like you're just going to get a book at the same time.
Like when I mean how it ends, I mean, like literally the last the last thing.
Yeah, because it's obviously not going to fucking end with a trailer
for the episode that won't exist.
Right. Right.
So what is it?
Is it just going to fade to black and go the end?
No, seriously.
So the game industry has been responding to this quite largely with the hashtag telltalejobs.
A number of companies have all reached out and basically.
What kind of company?
Holy shit.
A lot of a lot of a lot of companies have reached out
and like Ubisoft had a thing saying, hey, if you're a former telltale employee,
come to this lunch we're having talking about jobs and multiple other companies are like,
yo, we're studio. We're hiring.
We're looking for talented people because that's 250 people in the California area
that suddenly need work.
So immediately, immediately worrying about.
Yeah, they're Randy Pitchford asking for employees on Twitter.
See that? No.
Randy Pitchford was out there going like, hey, everybody,
Gearbox is always looking for talent towards some intro.
They're always looking for a hit, too, with some intrepid Twitter user reply.
Thank God Gearbox could use some fucking talent.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
It's like, nice.
Suck it, Randy.
Ah, feels good.
You'd be great if you hired them and he's like,
Gearbox, sadly, is now going out of business like a week later.
But it's like, and he's like, I'm a magician.
Well, did Randy fucking run out of publishers to steal from?
Yeah. Allegedly.
Well, it's the fucking the peep, the peep,
the best borderlands product that exists is the one that is the one they made.
That's not true. It's borderlands, too.
But still, that one's pretty good.
I don't know.
I played a lot of borderlands, too, and I'm playing this
and this is more entertaining.
The best borderlands story that exists story.
OK, that might be the easiest trophy ever is the one that tell.
Yeah, I guess if you're debating on story,
I just played through the first borderlands game and I love a game,
but there's like no story.
And then the second one has a bunch of story and it's terrible.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, there was a there was a document that got out as well
with a huge list of like, here's all these companies that are hiring
game dev jobs, game dev jobs, if you're looking for places to go.
So there was a huge reaction to this happening.
And I forget their name.
Did you see the one dev who said, well,
can't do nothing with this anymore?
And he's essentially putting up his shit post folder from the work
of all the stupid shit they did.
Oh, I saw that. Yes, I didn't see it.
It's like Lee growing a thousand feet tall
and shooting laser beams at the boats. Wow.
No, I didn't see that.
So bad.
But yeah, like hoping a lot of these people land on their feet
and cool to see a supportive response from everybody.
Because, you know, yeah, management fucking just you dropped it on everybody.
Let's give that like the way it always goes.
That is the kind of heartwarming and passionate response
born out of the empathy of a bunch of people
who have also been fucked over and lost their job crunching like like
the reason why the games industry is responding so warmly
and so supportively is because the game industry is fucked up.
And this happens all the time.
Well, Matt, looks like we're out of easy go to filler games.
No, we still haven't played a bunch of them.
Ah, God, no.
Do the skeleton out of the fucking grave, dude.
Like it's just honestly, the fact that the fact that
that like let's plays even came up in the discussion really does.
It stings, though, because you're like, you know,
because there's so many times when it goes the opposite way
and it the less play brings attention to the game
that otherwise would not have sold at all.
Yeah, that's true.
And that's what we like are hoping for like every time.
Well, it's definitely not the chief reason there were a lot of people
that said, I'm not watching Fire Emblem because it looks so interesting.
I'm going to get out and buy the game.
That's not the reason why there's such low views and nobody watched it.
But that was the most common thing people said, like it looks really cool.
And I've always wanted to play it, but oh, I want to play it myself.
So I'm not watching the realest tweet of all time.
Yeah, was the guy who basically came in and said,
I'm one of those people that'll immediately vote yes to you playing
something on Twitter and then and then watch the first episode.
Back out and not watch the rest because I'm playing it myself.
It's like, thanks, asshole. Don't don't stop answering.
Stop telling us.
Anyway, I would like to think to real that because I remember back
the most overwhelming response we have ever received this type was that
when we did the Yakuza 4 LP, every single day that that LP was running,
Matt and I got messages going, I thought this series sucked.
I didn't know what it was.
Holy shit, it's so cool.
Can I get a copy?
And I would like to think that that played whatever small role it did
in getting people actually talking about Yakuza series.
Metal Wolf fucking chaos.
Yeah, you know, I feel a little more personal pride for Yakuza,
but you're right, it is metal wolf cast that you come on.
Like that's what it can do at best.
But when the game formula and what it's not a blaming thing,
but it's just like when it is this exact perfect storm of this is a
watchable, easily predictable game, we're hoping is going to be good,
but has often turned out bad.
People see that and go, I don't really care what the other choices were.
So they that's what I was there's no desire to go back and find out.
I was going to say those because to me, I still kind of think it's like
if someone watches you play Devil May Cry, they're not going to have
a radically different gameplay than you did.
They're not going to see things you never saw because it's a very linear game
with like, you know, story content wise.
Yeah, yeah, but it's like at least a walking dead game.
Even like you said, like some people I don't care about the other choices.
But I'm like, to me, when whenever we were playing one, I was like,
sometimes if they're a really good one, like, let's say Batman was like,
I actually kind of for Batman, like, hmm, I kind of want to see the other
jokes around. I want to know.
And don't forget that they embrace this to some degree by putting in the
community voting option were so that like streams could actually have
the whole chat voting on what options the character, the game would would go through with.
You know, so they, they, they even did try to embrace that to a degree.
But yeah, that does it does sting to see that associated, you know.
Yeah. Well, it reminds me of what happened with the Super Smash Bros.
developers. They decided not to make a story mode with cutscenes
and everything for Smash 4, because people had posted all of the cool
cutscenes from such a cemetery online.
And Nintendo was like, well, it's a wasted effort then because people are
just getting it from there instead of actually playing the game themselves.
But people fucking love it.
So yeah, people did love it.
Exactly. They sold really well and Brawl too.
Yeah, Brawl sold very big.
Like Brawl is like really high, one of the highest selling fighting games.
Well, the subspace emissary was just the most like you can't top that in a way,
you know what I mean? But like, and they, but they just didn't even try.
Like, yeah, never try.
But yeah, so the fear of used games has now become the fear of us, essentially.
Right.
And then when we all die, it will be the fear of Twitch or Mixer.
It'll be whatever the fear is.
That's not we did a bad job marketing or making our games.
It won't be the fear of YouTube gaming.
It's whatever it is.
No, seriously, we get it, get it together.
I forget that shit exists.
I legitimately until you said that, I forgot that I mentioned Mixer first
because at least Mixer kind of is the thing.
When this first hit the had like the Internet and stuff,
I thought like just seeing little whispers, I'm like, oh, they probably let go.
Like, you know, a chunk of a chunk of their workforce, probably like 25% of it.
Yeah. And then when I saw, I'm like, wait, what?
I got it from closing down.
I got it from someone before it was publicly announced that that that said
like, yeah, this has not hit the news yet.
But oh, yeah, I saw that same guy.
Yeah, he tweeted both of us.
And just like, yo, Telltale's about to shut up.
I'm like, what? That's ridiculous.
And I saw layoffs and I misread it and thought it was 25 people being laid off.
No, it was everyone but 25 people being laid off.
I it's really appropriate that we're finishing up an LP of like
what I think is like one of their best.
It is unquestionably their best.
In my opinion, not I would question that not sales wise.
You can question my question.
My unquestioning. All right.
You fuck this up.
You fucked up.
You fucked up. Fuck you.
I question that I fucked up.
You're a question.
Hey, you didn't close down.
You know, who didn't close down?
The Tokyo Game Show had lots of companies that didn't close down and we can go back
to Capcom as one of them.
Yeah, let's do that.
Let's get back to Capcom.
All right. Spent too much time away.
Yeah. So what?
Hey, look, remember that Game Boy Advance game from 2010?
Yeah, 2001.
That niche that niche Game Boy Advance game.
Was it 2001? Yeah, you said Game Boy Advance.
What? Wait, sorry.
Phoenix Wright.
Phoenix Wright, the first game was on the GBA in Japan.
Then they started pouring in them for the DS in America.
Dude, I was playing it on the on the fuck was I thinking I was playing
it on the DS in 2005.
Yeah.
So Phoenix Phoenix Wright, ace attorney trilogy coming to PS4
and Switch and Xbox One and PC and Steam.
Everything fucking.
Thank God, God.
It's about time because these are classics.
We were looking at those we ports.
Remember?
Yeah, we were always kind of eyeballing those we ports to give an easy
cinematic play through to people because I never actually went through them.
Yeah. Oh, really?
Only the first one and I never finished it.
I got I got a couple cases.
How long ago was that 2001?
That was that was all right.
Well, you forgot that was blue DS era.
Got good. You you've forgotten all the clues.
Phoenix Wright, ace attorney trilogy.
I was expecting something like this because a few weeks ago they said,
don't miss the fucking Phoenix Wright live stream from GGS.
It is unmissable or something.
So when I saw this when I saw this announcement,
like for a second, I was like, are they remaking it all with the new engine?
Hello. And then it's like now doesn't even use an engine.
Yeah, it's just art.
It's just yeah, a visual novel,
because the new 3D Phoenix Wright stuff looks really good.
And that would have been nice, but it's not really necessary.
I get it.
Do we have a release date on this?
Later, some bitch 2019 far away from us.
Cool. But yeah, so it's it's it's everybody.
So Capcom announced that they showed off
a new story trailer for Resi to.
Yeah, sure. Good stuff.
Biohazard.
So what's what's the problem with this one, Pat?
None. OK.
There wasn't a problem with any of them so far.
There are some details.
One, everybody who's upset about Ada's new looks,
shut up, you're stupid.
Her new look is great.
Also, she's clearly actually wearing her old look underneath it
because, well, if you scroll up, you can she's wearing the choker
from her old dress underneath her coat and scarf.
At some point during the game,
likely when she gets stabbed in the second boss fight,
you know, take that coat off
and she'll be wearing the iconic red dress.
I like the outfit.
We know it's really stupid if you're a big secret agent.
Maybe you shouldn't dress exactly like a mysterious secret agent
in trench coat and sunglasses.
The fact that she's wearing sunglasses in the pitch black darkness.
Hey, big girl.
They showed off more of Claire's stuff.
They finally showed off form two of Birkin.
I really like how he is just low.
It seems more incremental than like super dramatic than last time.
So he looks gross. I like it.
Yeah, you were trying to teach me about the Birkin eyeball thing.
And I still don't I still don't get it.
He's got a big eyeball. Got it.
Voice acting and general performance actually look super, super good,
which is shocking because I like the evil game.
I like how they finish the trailer just hinting at the alligator Chan.
Yeah.
And the other thing is that in that trailer,
if you look real close,
you can actually see that some of the games areas
are going to be played out of order compared to the original.
There's a shot of Ada and Leon walking towards the Kendo Gun Store.
But the Kendo Gun Store is the first room in the game
in the original.
And you only meet up Ada like a third to halfway through.
And you definitely never leave the RPD again,
except to go to the sewers and the labs.
So they are arranged for they are expanding and rearranging some of the areas,
which is to be expected with this type of game.
Game looks super good.
It's funny because every time something like this happens
and it's like, oh, things are changing.
It makes me think about like, like you're like one of the rabbit fans
and Max is one of the rabbit fans.
Yeah, me and Max are about as we're the one step below the rabbit fan.
And I would heard his name.
His name is CVX freak.
Yeah, yeah, he's the guy.
And I feel like, you know, the thought from you guys would always be
don't even change the level layer.
No, if you're going to change it, no, no.
If you're going to change it, remix.
So normally back in the day, back in the year 2000,
I would have agreed with you.
But then remake came out because some of the best areas of remake
are the brand new ones or the or the rearranged ones.
Yeah.
Remake showed everybody that you you should be remaking a game in its spirit.
That's the shot I'm talking about.
Yeah, the only saw in its spirit, not in its literal sense.
And that you can do better than nostalgia.
Yes, you can't. Yes.
That's a great sentence.
I'm glad they saw chief irons in there is I thought it was a plot point.
They might just like ax all together, replace instead.
They've actually expanded his role considerably.
And he is the scummiest motherfucker ever.
I also like how Sherry appears to be.
I don't know.
She's more realistic kid.
Yeah, she's she's like Japanese.
She seems very precocious.
Because I feel the way she's dressed.
I feel that when this new starts coming out for
Final Fantasy Seven remake, yeah, every single I hope my son can see it.
Every single not the same thing is going to be hated by a lot of people.
Because because because because like
Resident Evil has already gotten a remake and Final Fantasy has never gotten
like a big remake of like a love title so far.
Well, they have but they've all been trashed.
They've all been the phone.
Yeah, but that's what I mean.
Yeah, FF 15 got remade.
So one last thing that I want to say,
Matt, you're not the only person to say that they tease alligator champ.
I don't think that's what that shot actually is.
Well, that looks a lot more like the sewer that you reach
after going after beating Burke in the first time.
Yeah, but it could be all remixed and different.
Also, it is not with you when you do it.
But you're right.
But why tease a shot of Burke and we've shown Burke and the show here is the other
thing is that the reason why a lot of people think it's the alligator is
because there's an air view out there.
They go, we don't fucking know if we want to put the alligator in the game
because the alligator is actually it really stands out in a photorealistic
looking game like this as a goofy Jaws tribute, which it is.
So then you might you might see it.
Then replace it with a different creature.
Yeah, I love even care.
Any love for the old zombie games zoo?
The Resident Evil ones.
Oh, definitely. Yeah.
What's your favorite?
Four. OK, that's that's I thought he was going to say
about Chronicles was really that's a good choice.
That was the first one I ever played.
Put it in a friend's house.
That's the first one.
Oh, of course, because you're twenty three.
Because I'm twenty three.
Calm down.
Are you guys still? I think I lost you.
Are you still there? No, we just lost Pat.
Oh, OK. We're fine.
OK. Yeah.
Yeah, I played that one at a friend's house that I loved it.
But I was definitely not good at it.
I heard that that one has this adaptive difficulty thing
where it makes it easier on you when it does.
If you're bad at it.
So I think that that was triggered quite a bit.
So what happens is enemies begin to become a little less accurate
and then enemies just start to disappear from the level entirely.
Hey, Pat. OK. So old, guys.
Hey, Pat, twenty three means nineteen ninety five.
Really? Ninety four, ninety four. Ninety four.
So you are. Yeah. To what words you could do.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, when you were two, it was a pretty good game that came out.
I was called Resident Evil.
OK, I've seen I've seen videos of it.
I'd never played it.
Videos of that shitty game.
This is hitting me, though. Ninety ninety eight.
Ninety ninety eight.
You were four.
The one of the best games of the best years for video games of all time.
It was when you were the tiniest of babies.
Damn, son. OK, old people, whatever.
He says, is he fortnight dances away?
I know you don't have it.
I actually tried to learn the fortnight dance on time and I couldn't do it.
It's too hard. You failed to learn it.
They're hard. The original one, the original one
that's like based off of Turk from Scrubs.
Yeah. Yeah, the left. That one is extremely difficult.
It's like we can do like the
what's the one where you like wave your hands back and forth?
Oh, you can do the thing like, yeah, the plus those are all piece of cake.
But like the original one, I tried to learn that one.
I'm sure it's like a four step thing. Yeah.
This is like talking to Spider-Man from Homecoming.
It is. You guys know that really old black and white TV show called Scrubs?
It's from that.
Yeah, no, when I was watching it.
In that really old medical drama Civil War.
It's like that old movie from Star Wars.
Right.
I know you don't have in the docking.
You don't even have to cut to a thing of it.
But during TGS, they announced they're remaking Oni Chambara,
like a new Oni Chambara game.
You know what, Mike, you're rat.
I do not have that on the box.
That's fine. I just wanted to say rat.
They're they're remaking it in a brand new engine
because it's like they're remaking the budget, simple 2000s, like first release.
And I'm like those games, those games took about 15 years for it to get
to become a bad devil may cry like the the PS4 entries.
It took about 15 years to get to be a shitty one.
So like it'd be nice for them to start off on a good foot like that with a new remake.
So the end of the cap personally, anticipating the end of the cap cast news.
This is just a small thing that they're making an arcade cabinet for Street Fighter 5.
They're also making that dojo mode, that crazy dojo thing.
Yeah, that's weird.
The customer wanted to know what you guys thought about.
There is this new story that's flying around on Reddit
that I'm curious what you guys think about.
If you guys you guys know about old school RuneScape at all.
I have only the most passing familiarity.
Oh, OK, OK. So what happened was there was this mod
who, I guess, was stealing money.
So like a Jagex employee, the people who make the game
was stealing gold pieces from people,
like literally deleting it from their banks and putting it into his own.
And using and using it to like make his his clan
in a better position to win tournaments.
That is wild.
And they they busted him for it.
And I guess he like fled the country.
Oh, man.
You need to do D trick. Wow.
I thought that was unbelievable.
That's the next.
I grew up playing RuneScape and why not just create the gold?
That's what I was wondering, too.
Like, why steal from people?
But I get maybe it was because he was like killing them in the wilderness or something.
And that's how he stole from people.
I don't know.
That's a fucking hustle.
But I thought it was a ridiculous,
like dramatic story out of pretty obscure.
That's awesome. That's legit.
Awesome.
Has anyone been murdered about Eve online lately?
I was about to say my mind immediately goes to
Eve online's insane shenanigans and the friend that I have
that like used to Skype people while pretending to be other people
at the same time to verify exchanges just to just to fucking get them
to scam them out of their money.
Like, he'd literally be online as one person and then jump on another Skype
and put and fake his voice and pretend to be someone else
to fucking get this person to make a shitty scam sale or whatever
because Eve online is crime online.
It's just crime.
Yeah. So this is custom Shadow Lou Dojos, huh?
And it looks like from descriptions here for Street Fighter V
sounds like it's almost a bit like the the dojo concept they had for
that game that has.
I'm sorry, all we can all I could think about is the customized music
and Kokudo Chojin. That's fine.
But I'm thinking of, wow, that's not a good sign.
It's the game that it's it's it's third person.
It has fighting. It has parries.
It has focus attacks. It has dodging.
You pick one of three styles.
You put a mask on. Everyone's got a mask.
Absolver. Absolver.
I was just about to say, as soon as you said mask on,
but you also got there at the same time.
So and Absolver had dojos that you could join in schools.
Like build your own stage, more or less.
OK.
And you put a bunch of stupid crap in it.
If you want to fight casuals only,
if you want to meet like-minded people and hang out,
focus on the same character fighting in the house of an animal crossing villager.
Yeah, that's a fun idea.
Yeah, get people to group up together based on whatever like topics they're
interested in.
I'm interested in Bowsette.
Can I fight you in Street Fighter V?
There will surely be a Bowsette stage
available on Day Zero.
I bet there's a bunch of Warframe dojos that have Bowsette in them somehow now.
And you can create and manage your own dojo.
But yeah, so there's there's Capcom.
Yeah, Capcom. Good again.
Makes me happy.
Capcom is alive.
They're full of life.
Unlike the Vita.
There you go.
Matt called it.
A Vita's dad Vita production ends
that in 2019.
Yeah, you shoot that zombie.
I'm kind of shocked it was still being produced in Japan, too.
In Japan, it doesn't shock me.
Well, I mean, just generalized production at all.
I mean, in America, that was down on rival.
Hey, there's still lots of kick starters
that had yet to cancel the Vita ports.
Yeah, I saw Kamiya Tweet.
I don't know if it translated correctly,
but I think he was he was he was quoting.
I want to say he was quoting it sooner or someone or Hashimoto.
And it was about final fight.
And it was something along the lines of like looking at the new
the new beat him up collection.
Yeah, it's something like no longer stuck with the PSP or Vita or something like that.
Because I think I think some of those games
might have been like the last the last release they were on was maybe in some
obscure some obscure Japanese.
I can think of as like power stone on the PSP.
That was locked there for a while.
But the Vita TV still getting lots of use in my house.
It's a good it's a good little device because, yeah.
And that's a my girl is using that to remote play
from another another room onto my PS4 while I'm using the TV.
And, you know, that gets that gets played a lot.
The place the PS what you call it persona for the golden, right?
Like was a long time ago.
Only place to play that sure was a long time ago, man.
Well, anyway, it sure was.
Well, anyway, this is the farty end that we all expect.
I was just stating the like the only real reason
to bring up the Vita a lot of these days is if you want someone to get a chance.
I had a good time playing Hotline Miami on it.
That's probably my best memory.
Well, to be fair, I'm sure Liam's got a huge list of awesome games on it.
I'm sure he does. I don't particularly care about.
He would have a probably like definitive list of awesome games on it.
I would assume at this point, if not composing one right now.
Yeah.
We've got alongside the death of one type of PlayStation.
We have the birth of a new one.
The PlayStation classics coming.
It's very obviously a Nintendo classic, but a PlayStation.
Cool.
If you had 100 bucks to spend on a Vita or a PlayStation classic,
which would you buy, zoo?
The PlayStation classic, absolutely.
Yeah, he's right.
No question about it.
Probably will I'm snapping out of the future.
They announced five of the 20 titles, three of which are bangers.
The first one they announced is Final Fantasy Seven.
There's also Art Ridge racer type four, which is fantastic.
Tekken three and Wild Arms and jumping flashes.
That's my second favorite Tekken.
Like,
yeah, that everything depends on the list of inclusions.
The problem is that there's a lot of Final Fantasy,
so I'm going to snap that one up right away.
The problem is there's like lots of third party ones that like
I don't think would be on there because they couldn't get the rights to them again.
Well, you're only going to have to wait for the day before my birthday.
Two months, December 3rd, and it's going to be 100 bucks.
It's weird that they don't have the full list when it's only.
They're going to roll it out like every two weeks.
I'd be like, look, two included controllers.
That's really nice.
And they're not miniature controllers, I assume.
They're bigger than the console.
Yeah, they are. Yeah, you're right.
And and who knows how this is going to get ripped open and fucking
like hacked for bouset art, like because they found a way to do that
with the nest when they put all kinds of other shit on that.
But yeah, man, no, it says it's a it's basically just
PlayStation going, hey, Nintendo fucked up the production of their thing.
We're not going to.
We're just going to do our own version of that.
We're going to do it.
What do you think the other 15 games are going to be?
Sony first party games or or or not.
Spyro or not.
No, I was hoping for I was literally going to say both of them.
Spyro and crash are going to happen.
Yeah, you don't think so?
No, then it eats into the sales of the collections that they released.
That's true. If they have not even asked.
If I don't have to lay to like next year, if they have seven on there,
it would not be surprising to me if they also had eight, nine in tactics.
The problem is they're not going launch window.
They're just going like they have to take from everything.
It would be shocking to me if there was not at least one
outward core game on that system.
Yeah, like I'd put Toshin and then on there.
But then again, I'm an idiot.
I would like to see Symphony of the Night on that.
That would be nice. That would be nice.
If you know this, but the PlayStation one had a escape a couple of games.
The number one fan requested game right now is obviously Metal Gear Solid.
That feels like that feels like an obvious pick.
Yeah, I feel like Metal MGS one.
Yeah, I don't want to play that.
What are we getting?
R.E.1, Jet Moto, Silent Hill.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how.
How can I be would want to play.
So Silent Hill would have been asked for and Konami would have gone.
What if there was Contra 3 on the Super Nintendo classic?
So maybe they would characters from PlayStation all stars in their games, right?
Yeah, like Bioshock, Harappa, Bioshock, Dante.
I'm Jammer Lemme.
Wait, did you just say Bioshock?
Yeah, you said the classic character from PlayStation all stars.
Yes, the character of Bioshock.
That's what I call him.
Soul Blade. Yeah.
Yeah, the Soul Blade would be cool.
That could be interesting.
But either way, we only have five for now.
So that's that's cool.
That's a good announcement.
And I can't wait to see Microsoft's Xbox Mini
with the Xbox original and one if it had like
Mech Assault and Halo one and a toky.
Oh, a lot of from soft games.
How about this? How about this?
It's the it's like the controller is just the whole thing.
Yeah. Yeah.
So a portable.
So I had it basically.
And you just like it.
Yeah. And you just there's your Xbox Mini.
See, like with an HDMI out.
But it's like now it's like I don't even care about that weird
Genesis one that Sega hasn't really even like did they say
whether they're actually making that?
Because a lot of people said they're just contacting some weird
Brazilian third party maker that's like been making these things for years
and they're going to make it.
But regardless, they're coming out with that mega Sega Genesis
collection that's on disk anyway.
I had actually really like a Dreamcast Mini
that would be like a smaller, better controller.
That is a lot of those games have not got ported to anywhere else.
It would be a Naomi in my pocket.
Yeah. And that would be my favorite.
So the problem with that, Matt, is that when you say a lot of those games
haven't gotten ported to anywhere else, the fact that they haven't got
because they can't be is likely because they can't, which would mean
they wouldn't be in the thing that you want. It sucks.
Like the Dreamcast is my fucking Capcom arcade box.
And that's why it's the most important to me.
And that's why you have 10.
OK, we've got to roll through the news because there's a lot and we're running.
Are you sure? We're running. We're running late.
I'd like to hear you talk so much.
I'd also love my dad, guys.
No, it's cool. I just I just don't want to.
I mean, hopefully we don't want to keep you too long.
I was teasing him.
If you if you you got you got nature to analyze.
He has Bowsets to rank.
Hey, you want to get the top search of the viral shit?
He's got he's got Smash Brothers sound effects to edit into
like live action discovery.
Exactly. That is what I have to spend my time doing.
That's what I'm going to be doing tonight after the magic tournament.
They're well. They're well synced up, sir.
Thank you. Valhalla has a sequel coming out.
Announced. It's called Nirvana.
I guess I was trying to I was going to die.
One word. So that's V. A.
One, one, Hall A, the sequel is N.
One, R. V. N. A.
So cool.
Escape from Valhalla's Glitch City to St.
Elisha and Idyllic Paradise with a bar called Nirvana.
And it's a cyberpunk thing.
And it's basically just more more cyberpunk shit,
more of your cyberpunk cool shit from
your cyberpunk bartending action.
The most game series specific conceivable niche ever.
Yeah. Yeah.
I got a couple hours in. Never finished them.
But it's a really it is a fun, relaxing
like autoplay autopilot game.
Almost.
So yeah, Valhalla is getting a sequel.
Get a sleepy.
The end of Eternity.
Oh, my God.
A. K. A.
Resonance of Fate.
The game no one ever finishes.
You fucking talked about it like what a month ago,
or just like no one finished it.
HD 4K edition announced coming out.
Now all of you can not finish it again.
Yeah, for Kate, except for that guy
who sent us the trophy list of his friend.
I have a friend of mine who made it his life's goal.
I can photoshop things to do it.
It's like good for you, sir. You did it.
I think I think the fucking response we got back
was you quit at that statue shit, man.
You have no idea.
Oh, boy.
Oh, that's yes.
Zephyr, Vash and Leanne.
That's the fucking characters.
I forgot their names.
But yeah, Vash, Nolan North is a...
He's just a jump in flout flippin' Terry Bogard with guns.
It's a fucking cool game.
That is really just a momentum fucking killer
from the moment war, from moment one.
I'd like to make an addendum to something we talked about,
I think last week where Last Remnant
was getting pulled from shelves and storefronts.
That's because the Last Remnant HD remaster is coming out.
That looks fucking terrible.
It looks way worse than the former PC version.
Like it looks like total shit.
It looks like a generational downgrade.
Well, I hope you guys got it before they delisted it.
Yeah.
This, watching this trailer for Resonance of Fate
makes me think of like some of the...
It's like some of that mid-game stuff in Lost Planet.
Oh, not Lost Planet, Lost Odyssey.
But Lost Odyssey ended up being so fucking great in the end.
And this, I'll never know where the story was going,
despite their fun gunplay, guncatas.
Yeah, I played it for about five, 10 hours
and I don't know what the fuck was going on.
You can subscribe to channels on YouTube
that play games fully from start to finish.
For you!
You can watch them.
Wow.
Resonance of Fate, 4K.
Really quickly, you don't have a Tales of Vesperia thing.
I do not.
Really, really quickly.
Yeah, I saw this, this is a power.
Troy Baker, who played the original main character
in Tales of Vesperia when it was released over here
on the 360.
And everyone else in video games.
He wasn't that big back in 2008, though.
This is one of his breakout roles.
And when now this new version in Tales of Vesperia...
Oh, I saw this, I saw this, yes.
Has a lot of extra scenes and cut scenes of significance.
And in Japan, they never translated the game,
so he never voiced them when that was released on the PS3.
And now that this remaster is coming,
he's like, oh, there's a remaster coming?
I didn't even, no one contacted me.
I would have loved to have done it.
And apparently, one of my favorite characters.
The dubbing in the scenes is very clearly not Troy Baker,
which is bizarre.
It's either it's like, we're where this is at,
Cheaport, and we don't want to pay them.
It's like if you were watching a video of me talking
and then Matt's voice just started to come out,
but only for like one-tenth of the time.
It's that weird thing where the voice actor,
when fucking David Hader was like,
I kind of feel sick hearing it,
because it's just like, you just never hear about it.
You don't even know, you know?
He says pretty gutted, that's pretty...
Because you imagine there's gonna be characters
they care about and characters they don't.
But if it's someone they really identify with,
and they're like, oh, I really like this character
and I love playing them,
then when this kind of shit happens,
it's like they just, yeah, they just said fuck it.
Who cares?
Now, luckily Troy can drown his sorrow in his new character,
the man with the golden mask.
Oh, right.
That's true too.
From Death Stranding,
where he summons a Cthulhu dog bot hole monster.
Hey, did you know that I really think this character's money?
Like, well, if I wanna be 100% honest with myself,
all the characters I've seen up to this point,
I'm like, yeah, that's the actor
that's kind of in army fatigues.
And I was never really blown away.
There was not that spark of imagination,
like with the base character designs
that like I know from Metal Gear,
but this is just straight up a Metal Gear boss.
Hey, look, it's Satan wearing a gold mask.
The mask.
That's a skull.
That's a tentacle dick monster.
Yeah.
That also wears a gold mask.
He's fucking rad.
I think.
Do you have a name or is it just Troy Baker right now?
Does this make you wanna play the game more
or make you wanna play the game more?
Much more.
More.
Okay, same.
I think his and her name is the man with the golden mask.
The man with the golden mask.
And he does some video game shit,
which is all I'm looking for at this point.
Yeah.
I was about to say, I've been worried
that this might not be a video game.
I'm like, oh, look, a boss fight.
Right?
What is obviously a boss fight?
Right.
Yeah.
There's a one minute and 20 second death stranding trailer
where Troy Baker's character jumps out,
does some cool shit,
and jumps away.
And it freaks out Norman Reedus
and then just fucking vanishes.
And then drops a boss on him.
And yo, that's some video game stuff.
Also, the big boss thing has an asshole for a face.
But underneath that, over on top of that,
it's a gold mask that splits in parts
and he's got a million tentacles.
And it's really threatening looking.
But there's an asshole for a face.
An asshole for a face.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
So like just looking over like this cast,
you're totally right.
Everyone else is-
An actor in army fatigues or a suit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Guillermo del Toro is just Guillermo.
Mads Mikkelsen's character is apparently like
his Japanese voice actor is still a secret.
What?
I don't know what that's about.
Oh, but you know why?
I bet because if you knew what voice actor it was,
you could infer if he was a good guy or a villain.
If it was Norio Wakamoto, you'd be like, oh, he's evil.
So Guillermo will not be voicing his character.
I think I ended up seeing.
Oh, really?
Is that he is lending his likeness.
That's just the model.
Got it.
Because I'm like, that's a lot of commitment
for Mr. del Toro.
He's also not an actor.
I mean, I'm sure he could do it fine, but like.
I see.
Well, yeah, yay for the bread crumbing of this fucking.
But I kind of need-
The ultimate mystery of our generation.
I kind of needed this because after the last gameplay thing
where we're like, so you're walking around.
So yeah, I was talking to a buddy of mine
my buddy Striden and he's looking at this trailer
and he's like, this is going to be Sony's Homer.
And he made a shitpost about it that I retweeted.
But it's like-
Hold the video game for the modern man.
How much did this cost us?
Eight hundred and sixty million dollars!
It cost it!
Like, no, seriously.
Like-
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
Because what we're looking at is the Kojima game
made for Kojima with no oversight.
Yeah, unfiltered.
Right.
No rein in.
This is uncaged.
That's what it is.
But will it sell?
Maybe it doesn't care.
What if Spider-Man's in it?
I mean, it will sell crazy.
What the fuck?
Well, maybe-
The license!
But will it sell, it's not will it sell,
it's will it sell up, will it sell enough
to meet expectations?
Metal Gear Solid 5 sold really well,
but maybe not enough that it cost.
Yeah.
But Andrew House's face looks so-
Andrew House is gone, dude.
But the eye, look at his eyes, the glow.
What if Andrew House left because he's like,
I'm not gonna be responsible for this shit?
Oh, I'm outta here.
Yeah.
I'm outta here.
Enjoy this, Billfuckers.
Like, he swooned and fucking,
like he talked up Kojima,
and got him, took him out on this romantic date,
and then he saw Kojima order what he did,
and he looked at the bill and went,
no, I'll go to the bathroom.
Kyle's face.
So Sean Layden comes in, he's like,
Kojima, we gotta talk about the money.
And he's like, and Kojima's taps on the desk,
and Sean Layden holds up the contract,
and says, Andrew House gave you infinity dollars
to make this game.
He gave you a magic bill that just replicates
all over it.
I'm legally prevented from even suggesting
you use less money.
Hey Koji, take a seat down there.
Are you just hiring actors you like?
Yes.
And they're expensive?
Yes.
Okay.
So we got that.
Did you hire Brad Pitt to do one line?
Yes.
No, I hired him to do many lines.
It's very expensive.
Couple of the things, let's just get through them real quick.
Sekiro had a new trailer as well,
underground gameplay, that's Shadows.
A giant snake monster.
Shadows died for it.
I'm excited for that.
Yeah, that was great.
Looks super dope.
12 minutes.
New fan from Soft.
There's also a half hour clip out there somewhere.
There's also tons of From Soft sound effects
you hear in this trailer.
So go check out this 12 minute Sekiro gameplay.
There's gonna be monsters in this game for sure.
I can just feel it.
With the giant snake.
Yeah, but I mean like a yokai or something.
There is the announcement that Castlevania Requiem,
Symphony of the Night and Rondo of Blood for PS4.
Fucking yeah, Rondo of Blood.
Coming out soon.
Hey, good, good.
So, PS4 getting all kinds of shit
dropped on these days.
Those are good games.
We need to play Castlevania,
because I've never, I'll go ahead.
Symphony of the Night's a good place to fucking start.
Yeah, it is.
It's not, but yeah.
It's a good place to start.
There's the new Smash Gear.
Better to go through the evolution of it.
Wow, you're okay.
Yeah, you gotta go learn the matchup, right?
Exactly.
Get ready for Simon.
Gotta start at alpha two goals.
Well then start with Rondo of Blood,
because that's the old style.
Yeah, you can certainly start with Rondo of Blood
and because they're acting, it's the prequel to.
They tied in directly.
Okay, there we go.
Sorry?
Rondo of Blood's really hard though.
Yeah, so either way it's easily available
coming out when the fuck is that.
Later.
No date.
No date.
No date.
Later.
Dragon Ball announces Android 17 alongside Cooler
for September 28th.
Remember kids, all leaks are true.
So apparently some people are angry
that it's not his standard costume.
Of course it's not.
No, it's a super.
It's a tournament of power.
I know, but people are angry,
but he appears in his regular costume when he's with 18.
And assist, yeah.
Yeah, so that's why people are angry.
That makes perfect sense.
No reason to get angry about it.
This is the version of Android 17
that can hang with Blue Goku.
Now you get both.
I know, I understand.
Oh no, I totally agree with you Matt.
Those people are silly.
That is silly.
Okay.
They're not real Dragon Ball fans.
Now you get both.
Not like me, who's never watched Dragon Ball.
They're actually like the realest man.
It'd be cool if you could get costumes quite frankly.
Yeah, I feel like this game would do well with costumes.
I bet it's like they're leaving costumes
until like way later,
and then they can just gouge people in costumes forever.
And last but not least, Space Jam 2 is real.
Wow, that is, huh?
This is the least.
Really?
Space Jam 2 is real.
And.
There's a really shitty teaser thing.
LeBron is attached.
It is LeBron.
It is LeBron.
And.
It's a reboot.
It is not a sequel.
It is a reboot.
Oh no, I want a sequel.
So is he gonna pull out Michael Jordan's head
and goes not in a million years.
So he comes it out.
And Michael Jordan has not,
they have not worked out the details yet.
However, he did say something along the lines of,
hopefully there'll be a role for Michael if he wants it,
but Michael Jordan is Michael fucking Jordan.
So it doesn't matter if LeBron calls him,
he's gonna do what the hell he wants,
which he has earned the right to do.
Michael and LeBron are not gonna sit around
talking about Space Jam.
Doesn't that just show how much of a much bigger get it was
to get Michael Jordan in the original movie
than LeBron now?
I think the idea is that LeBron James doesn't want to be
considered a sequel to Michael Jordan.
Did you see that?
He is.
Well, well.
Even I know that.
Well.
Well, did you see that the Onion article
or like little byline for this?
Yes.
That's so good.
Absolutely.
Kevin Hart just assumes he's in Space Jam 2
until told otherwise.
Show us up at the set.
Just a whole Onion article about Kevin's fucking,
Kevin Hart just be like, yeah,
pretty sure I'm in this.
They haven't said anything yet, but I'll be here.
We have to remember this so that when he's announced
we have a celebration.
But they teased it with a screenshot,
not a screenshot, but a little promo picture
of like all of this.
The most nothing you can do
to basketball while still doing something.
The locker room lineup and it's got Bugs Bunny
next to LeBron James.
Wow.
And the director and producer as well.
Wow.
So that's happening after all this time.
Despite the fact that there was all kinds of hiccups
and bullshit.
Despite the fact that this movie would have been
more relevant 15 fucking years ago.
I hope they have the same website.
Yeah.
I hope they have the same Bill Murray.
Yeah.
If you've got an email and you want us to answer it,
you can send it in too.
Hey, Terzoo, you want to take this one for us?
Yeah, why would you do that?
Stop it.
We do this to every guest.
You can't single him out.
He can do the second one.
But we only keep it.
What do you want me to do?
Exactly.
You can feel out in advance whether it's a work or not.
And you knew it wasn't going to work.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, I did.
Pat's doing the thing where it's like, oh, let's
see how much the person knows the podcast or not
by seeing if you know the email that we tell everybody
to send a letter to, which you don't and you do not have to,
sir.
It is fine.
Hey, if you want to send an email in,
you can send it to superbestfriendcast.com,
that's superbestfriendcast.com.
Matt, big, I mean, Pat.
I've got to guess that.
Dang it.
Pat, bigger channels than us don't have time for our petty
bullshit.
What?
Larger channels with high momentum YouTube returns
have no time for our bullshit.
I'm very proud of you, Tears.
You've done a great job.
He doesn't need your pride.
Yeah, I was saying.
Let me have a fuckin' moment.
I do really want to say thanks for promoting me
when I was a tiny channel.
Yeah, you're welcome.
I don't think I would have gotten this far without you.
You're welcome, man.
This is great.
Fuck you, Willie.
Don't forget where you came from
as you try to pull one of those.
What?
You try to tell Tears who?
Don't forget the hood.
No.
You try to tell him, don't forget the hood.
When you're big.
Really?
When you're big.
When you got that Netflix show about animals, you remember?
He done sold out.
No.
He don't want nothing to do with us no more.
Man, he's pulled his pictures down,
pulled his posters off the wall.
We ain't Tears who no more.
He forgot where he came from.
He forgot his roots.
That's what you're trying to say right now.
Don't forget there are other pets in the industry.
Fuck out again.
Podcast question, read only if that you
talked about Creepy Bowser Peach.
We did.
So go ahead.
We did a lot.
Dare Wooly football, Patrick Boyman, and Matt McNugget.
These are pretty good, actually.
I could go for them.
I hope you only read this if you talked
about the Creepy Bowser Peach comic,
since this just adds to it.
What does it mean creepy?
He doesn't get his dick hard over.
I have to be a nerd and point out
that everyone's naming him Bowsette automatically
because the original name is Peachette.
But the name is just a cross between Peach and Toadette.
So Bowser cross Peach should not have been Bowsette
since he, she has nothing to do with Toadette.
It's just like Sonic the Werehog all over again.
This is the Pouser person you were talking about earlier.
Or as I like to call them, heathens.
So just to add a question to this rant,
has anything viral irked you like something simple
that no one cares about but you?
Thanks from Tim.
I was never a fan of the guy with the music instruments
banging on them.
And the girl's like, oh, no.
A trumpet?
Yeah, I was never into it.
Bongo cat's fine.
Well, it's the same meme.
Yeah, but it's totally an echo.
It's a cute cat though.
Of course you fucking like Bongo Kirby.
It's better.
You'd like Kirby Kirby.
It's wholesome.
Kirby Kirby meme.
Look at it.
It's Kirby.
It's not even a meme.
It's just Kirby.
It's a meme.
Kirby's a meme.
Kirby exists.
Kirby's a meme.
Angry Kirby is a meme.
He absorbs other memes into him.
Are there things that irked you about things
that other people don't care about?
All right.
Zoo, any memes you can think of that get your gears?
One of my buddies sent me this meme
and it was just the letter E.
Oh, yeah.
I had no idea.
I don't get it.
I want to say that.
I had no idea how to respond.
I saw that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had to look it up and I got it even less.
The other thing I would say is the loss thing.
You can miss me with that meme.
Loss is the best.
No, it's so.
I've been trolling friends of mine
with hidden loss comics for years.
I missed out on the explanation of what
the big B was about for a long time.
Big B?
There's a B icon that people use in text when they're typing.
Oh, yeah.
And it's a big red B. And it's a white B in a red box.
OK.
And they just replace random things all the time with it
and letters of certain words.
And I found out later on that it's
because they're emulating like bloods and crypts
and how you're not supposed to use the letter C
in certain things.
That's what that is.
So it's straight up just doing the whole like bloods.
You know, like what up blood?
What up cuz?
That thing.
You use Bs in certain words because it's gang culture.
So it's making fun of the crypts and the bloods.
OK.
So yeah, there you go.
That's the meme.
That's not a meme.
Big red B.
That's terrible.
It requires so much setup and knowledge.
It's an inside joke.
Well, the fact that no one else here,
like I thought one of you guys would have gotten that,
but none of you even got it.
No one would have to fucking read homework to figure it out.
I like simple memes.
Thank you.
Like a cat bongo.
Yeah, the cat play a thing.
You're cute.
Yeah.
Dear podcast, is there any games you can play on autopilot
better than you can consciously?
That's a great question.
That is a really good question.
Tetris.
I remember a long time ago, there
was a certain level of drunkenness
in which I would be just dramatically better at fighting
games, and that only lasted for like six months.
Tetris, for me, on autopilot, when
I'm doing something else or listening to something else,
I play way better, I think.
No, that's not true.
That's not true.
It's not way better, but I can just not think about it
and just naturally slide things into place.
And I think when I'm trying to think about it,
I try to do tea spins and bullshit
that I don't need to do.
So very contextual, but I guess fighting games, too.
And I just remember this.
I don't know if Willie will remember this,
but I think we went to the old FUNZO or whatever
when Killer Inc. sent launch, and I brought my Xbox One,
and I've been drinking, and I'm sitting down.
And we're kind of, some people were showing up
and just grabbing the arcade sticks or whatever.
And I'm playing.
I'm playing against Willie, and I'm like, I remember being drunk.
I'm like, wow, I'm doing pretty well.
And I think of one.
And I was like, yeah, yeah, and Leanna's next to me.
And she's also drunk.
I'm kind of making out with her while playing.
And you're just kind of like in the game, like going, yeah.
Focusing.
At the focusing, and I'm like, yeah, that's great.
Mama, that's perfect.
And I won a match or two.
And I was just like, oh, cool, awesome, that was great.
And that's it.
Yeah.
That's the only thing I can think of.
Zoo, autopilot?
Well, I think you can really only play the game
RuneScape on autopilot.
I haven't played that in a while, though.
To some extent, Smash, at least if I'm not
trying to play it at top level at tournaments.
But if I'm just playing with friends,
if I actually try to think about it, I get whooped.
But if I'm autopiloting, yeah.
Hey, man, we should trade friend codes later
so we can play in Smash Ultimate.
Let's do it.
Yeah, friend codes.
I'm definitely playing into the breach on autopilot these days.
I saw that.
Now on my switch, my switch save is now
past where my PC1 was.
Already?
Yeah.
It's absurd.
Yeah.
Oh, I did a really good run of dead cells.
I have zero deaths.
Oh, wow.
I have zero deaths on it.
It's nice to start a new file and have a perfect file.
It's fucking great.
I had a really good dead cells run,
not paying attention to it at all.
And when I really pay attention to them.
Yeah, I had that happen with Gunjan and Isaac,
or I was just kind of lackadaisical,
like listening to, hey, Zoo, man, you're still there.
Hey, I'm still here.
All right, we're good.
We're good.
OK, cool.
All right.
With that, let's wrap that up.
What's coming up?
What's coming out, guys?
Let's get out of here.
OK, let's see.
What's coming up?
Well, Zoo, are you working on any particular video
that you'd like to tell any people at home about?
OK, all right.
I'm going to give you guys the inside scoop
I want to work on here.
Well, you're also.
So I'm about to cross that one million mark.
Oh, god.
And so everyone's like, oh, you got to do a face reveal.
So what I do, what I decided to do
is I bought a 360 degree camera.
And I'm going to put it on my dog.
And I'm going to kind of make that look like a video game.
And then I'll just be in the background somewhere.
Hey, what kind of dog you got?
She's a Australian shepherd and a colleague mix.
She's so puppy.
That sounds cute.
But she's the cutest.
And I'm hoping that it's going to turn out well.
I haven't tried it yet.
But that's what I'm working on.
Put pictures of your dog on Twitter
because dogs are cute.
Good call.
Good call.
I'll do that.
No, I just want to see your dog.
All right.
So hey, Tier Zoo, where are you at on the internet?
Yeah.
Where am I at on the internet?
Oh, I just got a fucking chat.
I got you.
OK.
OK.
Yes, you can find if you search Tier Zoo on YouTube.
Or I think if you even just like YouTube slash Tier Zoo,
it might even work.
I'm not sure.
So I have that.
I also have at the Tier Zoo on Twitter.
It's the Tier Zoo, not just Tier Zoo,
because some chump stole my handle.
And I can't get it back until I get a patent or something.
I don't even know what I need to force someone off
of their own door handle.
Cool.
But yeah, it's the Tier Zoo.
Follow me on there.
Aside from that, I did make some merch.
If anyone is interested in that, you
can find links to that on my YouTube page.
You also have a Patreon, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, good call.
OK, I do have a Patreon.
I feel they should see my videos first.
If they haven't seen my videos, no one's going to like, oh,
yeah, sure, ask me for money.
But it would also be weird to sell merch for people
that haven't seen your videos either.
So you're fine to mention any of it.
Point taken.
Sure, well, patreon.com.
Slash Tier Zoo as well.
You can find me on there.
Cool.
I have a Discord server that's accessible through that.
And I also post videos early and let you review scripts
if you're curious what I'm working on.
So that's where you can find me.
I'm glad.
Cheers.
Thank you for joining us and for hanging in
for a really long time.
What are you guys up to?
Don't work at twitch.tv slash angrilyspat.
Sometime during the week, I'll stream some bullshit.
I don't know.
Maybe Spider-Man, maybe something else.
Who cares?
Matt?
Yeah, I did take a look at Tomb Raider, like I said before.
So a video of that's going to go up on the Flophouse this week.
And also, probably, I have a video coming up
that has a little cameo by one VatiVidja.
Oh.
What?
Yeah, it's not.
I love him.
Yeah, like, this is really stupid, though.
We've only seen it, it's dumb.
He got it in there.
He got it in there.
And I'm just like, I just hope he knows I exist with the Kirby.
I hope he's not mad at them.
I don't think he would be.
I hope he's not mad at Kirby.
Don't worry, buddy.
I'm sure he has no idea.
Oh, no, people spammed him.
I'm sure he has no.
I sure just auto-deleted from his mind.
No reason to be embarrassed.
I wrote Prepare to High.
Speaking of Kirby, hey, well, ah, no.
Wolves, what's going on over at the Woollyverse?
Actually, not Kirby.
More near is incoming.
You notice you're trucking.
Yeah, I just, I'm in play through C.
Mm-hmm.
Whoo.
Yeah.
Hey, fuck.
It did that thing you like, didn't it?
Fuck.
Didn't it do that thing?
This game is so good.
Yeah.
Holy shit, this game is good.
God fucking damn it, and you're on a mat.
It just fucking, ugh.
Wow, that game, yeah.
That game.
It's going.
Would you say that it slaps?
The shit out of you?
Yes, it is.
It is absolutely fucking going hard right now,
and I'm enjoying the shit out of it.
Me and Liam are playing that over on Woolly Versus,
and once that series is wrapped up,
I'm also going to be, well, whatever,
I'm going to be switching back to Naruto, Ultimate Ninja
Stone 2.
It's on Naruto.
Back in with Reggie and Billy.
That's continuing as well, so.
I saw you talking about it on Twitter
that LP has gotten super weird.
It's gotten really weird, but it's gotten great,
because it's a half, let's play half, let's watch,
let's literally just go watch Netflix, Naruto, bullshit
clips, and fucking analyze them as we do.
And it's just, I don't know what it is at this point,
but it's a good time.
So come on, check that out at Woolly Versus.
And of course, on the main channel.
On the main channel, we have Devil May Cry 3.
We tricked you.
It's never been more obvious who actually watches the video
before they comment.
Yeah, yeah.
It's never been more clear.
I enjoy the occasional balls out on stream moment
for the commenters that just rush to the comments
and write before they watch anything.
Well, we got a lot of you real bad.
Or sometimes when it's like it's not.
Or a string of edits on their original comment
as they finally decide to start watching the rest of the video.
It's 904.
There's no way.
How could you have possibly?
Yeah.
And there are people who pointed out
that if you just moused over it and saw the animated thumbnail,
you would see that it's not DMC2.
Or YouTube's game recognition or a bunch of other things.
Hey, look, we're playing Devil May Cry 3.
Guess what?
It's great.
That game's awesome.
What else are we playing?
We got you guys doing Borderlands?
Tales of the Mortal Lands.
We got a couple of miscellaneous shenanigans going on.
And of course, this October, coming soon,
that's in like 10 days or whatever.
Yeah, Mecha Week.
Mecha Week, all month long, October.
It's the same week four times.
I don't know if that's meant to be Shade or not.
It's OK.
No.
It's just the amount of people.
When does Shitstorm start?
It starts October, dude.
Right, every year.
Yeah, it's asking me.
It's the seventh or eighth year asking me.
I was about to say Strider Week again, you know?
Like, I just randomly roll a dext in my head
about what can I throw out there, and I just
pick Mecha Week for whatever reason.
So stay tuned for all of that.
Yeah, I just want to fucking go watch some Tier Zoo, though.
Yeah, quite frankly.
Dude, thank you so much.
You'd be great if he left.
Yeah, well, I feel bad for keeping him this long,
because we ran long on this podcast anyway.
So fuck, I didn't get a hold of if humans were nerfed yet.
So I'm going to go watch that.
Yeah.
Ooh, thanks for watching.
Oh, you're quite welcome.
Like, dude, thanks for everything.
You're like, you're shit's amazing and hilarious.
Yeah, thanks for stopping by.
You know, thanks for cracing us with your big YouTube
repressence.
Please leave.
Please leave some coattails as you leave.
Just drop your coattails off right here.
All right, we did it.
Podcast over.
Goodbye, everyone.
Bye.
It's your father to fight.
To his son, the light will shine.
From being still for us memories.
And just living that you are visually.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Now you've really crossed the line.
You wait for me to find.
My love here, she'll suffer.
By the crafters that cross me.
So it's more of a warm one.
It's no use.
Not for tying my tights.
I'm prepared for use.
Let's say no more.
It's time for you to make your move.
Move your gears so everybody will.
You go tomorrow and drink your bride.
So we leave for debate or for undenied.
To the teacher, I feel tossed around.
So you're in my eyes.
How I feel about you now.
Feel your father to fight.
To his son, the light will shine.
From being still for us memories.
Let's discuss with him.
You are visually.
We are falling.
The light is golden.
Tears inside me calm me down.
Bless me with the leaf of a tree.
On it, I see the feet of rain.
Midnight calling.
Mr. Grizzled me.
Me with the puberty leaf.
Praise to my father.
Let's buy some water.
Let's go.
I was born to be a father man.
Yes, I'm born to be an innocent.
The ways of life are true.
I'm a man.
I'm a father.
I'm a man against the fear.
I just trade for more to feel.
With innocent hearts, it makes me squirreled.
The gold before me seems to satisfy.
The wisdom in death has suffired.
But just in touch, it moves me astray.
We are falling.
Mr. Grizzled me.
Me with the leaf of a tree.
On it, I see the feet of rain.
Midnight calling.
Mr. Grizzled me.
Me with the leaf of a tree.
On it, I see the feet of rain.
Midnight calling.
Mr. Grizzled me.
Mr. Grizzled me.