Castle Super Beast - SBFC 271: DJ Khaled's Omnic Army Will Never Go Down

Episode Date: November 6, 2018

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Uh, this podcast is brought to you by Fallout 76, Bethesda Game Studios, the award-winning creators of Skyrim and Fallout 4, welcome you to Fallout 76, the online prequel where every surviving human is a real person, work together or not to survive. Fallout 76 will be available worldwide on Wednesday, November 14th, pre-order now at participating retailers and play the beta. Games play best on Xbox One. Alright, how's it going guys? Eh, what's up?
Starting point is 00:00:46 I got a little crick in my throat, so hopefully I'm trying to fight that off, and I want that. Cricks are hard to fight though. You know what I mean? Like that, like you wake up and you're like... The tribe of cricks, oh god, I'm sure that's some type of racist name in some country. We're able to find them easily. Well, you created a bunch of good ones in the Sonic one, right? I didn't know...
Starting point is 00:01:07 Oh no, we created one bad one. Spagos. I didn't know that Jiminy Cricket was like, potentially based on racist imagery, but... Oh, wonderful. But... He's a bug. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Everybody hates bugs. Well, what's the term? Isn't it like... Is it Moon Cricket? Be careful here. I don't know. It's an oldie. I want to say Moon Cricket.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Oh, this is dangerous. Oh, don't worry about it. Yeah. That's why we keep minorities on the payroll. Yeah, yeah. Talk to us from this. Like singing slave songs under Moonlight. Yeah, that's the word.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Is that the same thing as that fucking WB frog? No. I think it's... Yeah, plus he's more naked, so it's harder to discern what he's doing. Yeah. That's different. He's not wearing like chaps and like a little hat. Wait, no, he is wearing a little tuxedo hat.
Starting point is 00:02:01 That's different. Yeah. But how do we get here? You just... I started talking about like a crick. Crick. My throat. People don't say crick.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Yeah, I misspoke. It's like a crick in your bones. No, I mean, you didn't. Yeah, because that's like a crick. I didn't. Like my mom says that. Oh, she does? But it's just old language.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Oh, I'm old. But I don't know. Yeah, I got a little scratchy going on in my throat. That's fine. And you know... That's scratchy is not a risk. It's this weird thing where you wake up and you're like, uh-oh. You got to fight this.
Starting point is 00:02:35 And then it gets better over the day. And then you wake up the next day and it's exactly the same. You're like, am I beating this or not? You know, that means that they call them then reinforcements because the opening skirmish went in your favor. But while you're sleeping, you can't do anything. I know people say you heal during your sleep, but you don't. It never feels that way.
Starting point is 00:02:54 It always feels like while you were sleeping, whatever disease you had got way stronger. The defenses are down, even though that's not how it works. This is in fact the opposite. Yeah, but... All the uncomfort you feel is actually your own immune system. Yeah, I know. I always feel worse when I sleep. Is there any way we could defeat our own immune system?
Starting point is 00:03:11 Yeah, it's called antibiotics. It's quite literally an entire field of medicine and it does an amazing job. Well, for now. Well, we also have probiotics. Well, that just makes you shit, doesn't it? That makes Jamie Lee Curtis look as good as she does. But it also builds up the gut flora. She drank tons of that shit.
Starting point is 00:03:32 In your microbiome. Can't I just take somebody else's shit? Yes. Yes. And that will also diversify your gut flora. Yeah. I think we were talking about that as far back as the end of the Yakuza 4 LP. Yep.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Talking about taking your mom's poop and then putting it in your butt. Well, it doesn't have to be your mom. It should be someone as different from you as possible. It was like episode 28 or 29. Yeah. It's when we're going up the tower. One of the healthiest things... It's vivid memory in my mind.
Starting point is 00:03:57 One of the healthiest things you can do is put someone else's poop inside of you. Yeah. Science. But it has to be in your butt. I mean, as long as it gets into the right place is basically the goal. Yeah. Well, if it passes through your gut... Now, I know you're like, what's up with that?
Starting point is 00:04:14 Because you're like, you can barely believe it. It can save you. But it's based on the idea that... Trying to eliminate this last minute of my life. Well, it's based on the idea that inside of your intestine... No, I know. There's all kinds of little bug oids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:28 And those bug oids help you. They keep you alive. Yeah. They do all kinds of good things. They live in your poo. I don't mind bug oids, but I don't mind some type of obscure action figure line in my stomach lining. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:40 But sometimes... I don't know about the poop butt. But sometimes they're all like, they're too much of the same. It's like a little echo chamber inside of your intestines. They're all the same thing. They should really get nothing. They get used to the same ideas, and then they just kind of get bad at that. Biting off anything new.
Starting point is 00:04:56 They need new ideas. Yeah. So something new shows up, and then they're like, we don't know what to do about that. And apparently it helps from when it's a family member, because you share butt flora. But if you get someone way different, way out there, like there's this one guy that famously went to... He went to Africa, and he got it from like... Butt transplant there.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Someone from like an indigenous tribe. Yeah. And he did a transplant from there, and he got like a whole... Because that's a whole other environment. Oh, that's crazy. I can't handle this. Those ideas are too radical. Completely new ideas.
Starting point is 00:05:24 It's destroying my butt. That have nothing to do with your life down there. And so you have a really diverse butt flora population. I guess you cover all your butt bases. Yeah, you want your butt to be diverse, but not too diverse. It's pretty handy that butt flora works, right? As the same as gut flora. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:41 That's good. I suppose you really want that if you're one of those wanderlust people that literally just travel the world, like for funsies. Like I'm going to experience whatever the fuck's on top of that mountain. I'm going to go to the top of that mountain and take its poop. To be fair, that mountain is probably in a country where like drinking water or eating the wrong thing can fuck you up. I mean, I heard a pop song the other day that was basically like, don't eat the bushmeat.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Oh, is that that League of Legends song? Don't eat the bushmeat. Yeah, that's what it's about. That League of Legends song with the pop star. I have no idea what's going on. Yeah, there was a big pop song because Ebola's come to town. Ebola's in town, I think, is the chorus. And then they had to warn everybody not to eat the bushmeat.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Otherwise, you'd catch Ebola. And that's what League of Legends is about. Ebola seems like a very easily avoidable thing, which is that you can only really contract it at its source from eating these five animals or whatever it happens to be. Just don't eat those animals. You say that. Done. You say that.
Starting point is 00:06:50 But when you think about it, like the same could be said of like HIV and AIDS in general, Ebola is like all you really have to do is not like ingest or get blood from or fuck the thing. And then one asshole from Quebec is all it took to spread that around. So it's easy, but all it takes is one asshole. If you ever track back the history of patient zero, it's kind of insane. So it's a dude. He did it himself. Go find the guy chowing down on bats and shit.
Starting point is 00:07:21 He's not alive anymore. Well, fuck. You know, not only that, patient zero, it's crazy. One dude from this province was a flight attendant. And he basically, once he got sick, he just went, well, fuck it. And he just basically traveled the world because his job was perfect for that. And everywhere he went and landed, he just fucked everyone and everything. And that was how it spread.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And it's insane because it's like, he clearly couldn't have known how bad the thing was. I'm a little sick because it didn't exist, but he clearly knew enough and kind of decided, I don't care. I'm going to keep going anyway. That's a fucking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty nuts.
Starting point is 00:08:03 It's a lot of order episode about that. Yeah. Patience. Patience zero. Going back a second, usually I know what's going on in the terms of I saw a music video or heard a song on the radio. I'm like, this is subject A. They are a woman or a man or whoever and they are writing this song and this song is popular.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Yes. And this, that's it. And over the weekend, I'm gone most of it. And when I come back, I just, everyone is talking about some CG girls that may not be real. No, they're not real. But there's a real voice somewhere, I think. Yeah. And they're singing about League of Legends, but they're not.
Starting point is 00:08:41 That's right. I mean, here's what I got this weekend is I've seen the video tweeted out and I've never clicked on the audio button to hear the song. So I don't even know what the song sounds like. You're just looking at the neon girl with the cool girl. There's 20% of that video that I'm in love with and that's kind of all I'm staring at and my brain has kind of filtered out everything else. But I will say.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Sorry, I eventually listened to the song. The song's fine. It's a pretty generic K-pop song. I mean, the animation quality is nice because it's 3D, but it almost looks rotoscoped. So it's basically like mo-capped and it's really nice 3D. But yeah, whatever that video is, I like the 20% that looks like me. I enjoy that. That is a promotion for the opener or whatever, the League of Legends thing.
Starting point is 00:09:27 The international? Yeah, because I saw that and I'm like, huh? And then I heard League of Legends and I'm like, oh, right, Korea. Korea loves the K-Pops. The really wild shit is if you watched, I saw clips of this, if you watched the opening ceremony or whatever of the, whatever the fuck it's called. The League of Legends thing. The international?
Starting point is 00:09:48 The international. They had that weird shit where they had live dancers on the stage, but the broadcast also had the CG people with them teleporting around and being in the video was weird. It's really confusing because I'm like, I thought this was BlizzCon weekend. Three old men talking about shit. They don't know anything. Oh yeah. But you said you don't.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I guess it's not the international then. What is it? I don't know. It's the other one, right? No, the international's Dota, right? Okay, that's what someone said. Because I thought, I was confused because I was like, is this a BlizzCon thing? And then there was League of Legends happening.
Starting point is 00:10:23 I'm like, wait, no, that's a different thing. Worlds, worlds. Okay. Well, the point is that League of Legends, I saw a clip comparing like the CG dancers with the K-Pop group on the stage in this massive stadium with like DJ Khaled going, another one over, no, no, from the BlizzCon overwatch shit. And it's just DJ Khaled alone on a stage trying to get a board crowd hyped up. Like the difference in handling of those events is hilarious.
Starting point is 00:10:53 Yeah, it's crazy because Tracer eats pussy all the time. Yeah. DJ Khaled hates Tracer for this. Hates Tracer. Will not go anywhere near. Get away from me, Tracer. I guess. What if some juice gets on me?
Starting point is 00:11:10 I guess this is accurate. Teleport that shit away. Yeah. Just DJ Khaled and Cardinalo Fischal both on the side of the Omnics. The evil fucking. Is DJ Khaled an Omnic? Think about it. I guess.
Starting point is 00:11:28 I think. I don't know. Just a whole bunch of. An Omnic would do for you or you would do for it. A whole bunch of evil bastions and just DJ Khaled and Cardinalo Fischal riding on top of them, pointing them into war because they refused to go down on people. Yeah. That's a pretty good reason to go to war.
Starting point is 00:11:48 That's a war. Yeah. That's a war right there. We will not go down. Shushito game the Nintendo put out, which was about sushi or no sushi. That's no war. The go down force versus the don't go down force. That's a war.
Starting point is 00:12:06 The rise up force. Wait, are we talking about the fucking down force here? It's not gravity. It's down force. No. Okay. That's different. I mean, and the funny part too is that it's just old school hip hop because there's a very
Starting point is 00:12:19 old school hip hop thing about like not old school hip hop because nowadays that actually just means the nineties. It's times of ancient hip hop. There's a thing where, and it's more just like old street culture in a way, but it's like, yeah, going down is like, it's a bad look. It's not very masculine. And so he's just kind of coming from that place. It's not kosher.
Starting point is 00:12:41 I think his quote is like, I'm the king and the king decides. It's a whole thing. It's a whole mentality and idea based on that. What's going down? It comes from that place. And it's not me. That's what he said. But at the end of the day, yes, when Overwatch is assembled, it's to defeat those that refuse
Starting point is 00:12:57 that refuse to be good and bad. They refuse to take the knee. They won't bend the knee, will they? It's strong. Pretty all right. Not bad. There you go. That's how you start it.
Starting point is 00:13:15 Weird podcast start. It is, but hey, went to a bunch of very odd places. And that's what that's why that's why the people tune in. It's memorable. That's 13 minutes right there. Oh, wow. Wow. That's value.
Starting point is 00:13:25 The rest of what? Your week. Oh, Jesus Christ. That was a weird 13 minutes is how long you should spend down there. That's a good amount of time. All right. Look, we all have jaws and like we need to get worn out. I mean, come on, you know, you can.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Anyway, no, no, go to your week. I back off. Yeah, like when you started this now, no one wants to finish it because he said he put a time frame on it. Now you have to think about that and process it. You don't need to. You don't need to. You don't need to engage with him.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Just like you often shouldn't engage with me. Yeah, but I mean, the point of this two and a half hours is to engage. Two and a half. Are you fucking joking? That's how long you should spend. DJ Khaled's head explodes at the concept. Just what? Which is probably what he thinks will happen.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah. Anyway, not a very exciting week for me. I spent a lot of time dog sitting because my parents were out of town visiting my grandpa. So I had to take care of the dog who was horribly spoiled and can't be alone for a night. But while I was there, I actually went and beat Breath of the Wild, which I had never done. I had gotten to 118 shrines and then got pissy that I couldn't get the last like couple shrines
Starting point is 00:14:45 without beating the beasts because I wanted to do it like that. Right. I finally did the beasts and like they are the shittiest part of that game. What a bummer that I did it in that order. They're better than some of the dungeons in Skyward Sword. Skyward Sword has a couple of good ones, but I remember ones that I hated worse than any of the beasts. Did you have fun with Fire Blight?
Starting point is 00:15:09 I think that was the bad one. I forget at this point. Fire Blight? I forget. I just shot it with ice arrows and it died. It's been so long at this point that I don't remember, but there was one of them that was just really, really awful. And it sucks in and I threw a bomb at it and it blew up.
Starting point is 00:15:26 I kicked its ass in like two seconds. Well, it's good that you went back to it. I mean, the game has cool stuff. Yeah, it does. Yeah, but like I really, you should just bang those fucking beasts out as soon as possible if you're starting Breath of the Wild. Especially the flying one, Meadow, I think it is, because it gives you the fucking gust power, which Christ, I wish I had had that.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Oh, those beasts. It's not the Blights. Yeah, okay. Right. The beasts don't exist. Well, the Blights are at the end of it, but man, that Calamity Ganon boss fight is pretty fucking weak as a capstone to that whole game. I was hoping that the infiltration itself of the level, I was hoping there'd be more
Starting point is 00:16:12 areas like that over at the game. Yeah. Because it reminded me of Ground Zeroes. It's the coolest place in the whole game. And there should have been more of that. And then you get to Calamity Ganon and you just kick his fucking ass in in like a second. And then you get to Calamity Ganon round two and it might as well just be a cutscene. It's so easy.
Starting point is 00:16:35 I think like years from now, it's like for me like Breath of the Wild is going to be kind of like Pokemon Go for the first couple months where it's like everyone was really happy for a period of time. There's just this palpable sense of excitement. And when like all think back about it, like in 10 years, it'd be like, yeah, Breath of the Wild where it's like some other Zelda games or other games in general, it's just like, yeah, that was a game. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:59 But I just think about it and even like thinking about things I didn't like or whatever or just like, you know, whatever, I'll just be, no, everyone was excited forever. Yeah. For good reason. I mean, the game is not flawless, but it has. It's so like fucking fresh and good for the franchise model, right? And then outside of that, it also is open world in a different way from the other or the open world stuff that, you know, we're used to.
Starting point is 00:17:26 And even from most games. And those two things are worth praising. So I and so it's still a fucking excellent Zelda game. Have either of you two seen the the goofy shit people have figured out with like weapon switching? Those videos have been going around for like two years now or whatever. Occasionally still see one like a fresh one. There's every once in a while.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Yeah. Every once in a while, you catch a weird ass, crazy tweet with some physics nonsense happening. My favorite one so far is jumping off the temple, the very first temple that you get to outside the shrine of resurrection, bouncing off an enemy's head and it will launch you so far that you'll fly into the castle. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Yeah. And it's like, it's it's the benefit of building a systemic game, a game that's just built on a bunch of consistent rules because then people can fuck with those rules and goofy, goofy ways. I also tried trial of the sword. Don't care for it at all. At all. It's just.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Did I either of you guys give it a shot? I didn't. It's just a bunch of combat trials. It's like 45 combat trials. To be fair, fighting like Lionel's is super fun. Yeah. But it's it's what get into this area that has two moblins and you have no gear. So find a stick and beat the moblins.
Starting point is 00:18:43 And then round two is, OK, now the moblins are high up. So you need to use the fire to reach them. And it's it's just that over and over and over and it does get harder. But I found it like super, super dull. So something that I'm really happy that the games leaned into is I remember saying years ago that the best parts, my favorite parts of Ocarina of Time were the one on one Z targeting fights with enemies that could block and sidestep. Yeah, it was super almost new.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Stalfos and Liesalfos were all really cool, good fights. And to some degree, the the Knights as well. I forgot their weird name. So oh, they're they're nuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dark Nut, Dark Nut, right. We're playing the Darksiders things. And I noticed as soon as I locked on to the characters with the camera lock, you were like, oh, I like this camera angle.
Starting point is 00:19:40 And it's like a very one on you love that stuff. Well, it's just because like, you know, going through that game, you get like getting used to what Z targeting is. It takes a while to kind of really see, you know, like, like, like it's a new mechanic, right? It's like other games hadn't been using Z targeting. And you remember how awkward 3D was prior to that? What do you mean? And then that came along and made it feel really nice and smooth.
Starting point is 00:20:01 And you're like, great. And then you see these one on one fights. And you go, oh, fuck, like in the context of circling around enemies that are moving just like you, this becomes really good. You know, this is a really nice place for the camera. And those fights felt different from the others in the game, like especially when the enemies close to your size and not like a giant thing you're looking up at. Or being swarmed by like a bunch of random slimes or whatever.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Yeah. So all you have to do is slash or just do like a circle slash. I mean, to some degree, you know, because the game is so well designed, like Goma is a really great introduction because it's a spider on the ceiling that forces you to get used to this look around and this is a 3D world, right? Things are going to come from places you're not used to because you can't see everything all the time. And that's really well done.
Starting point is 00:20:47 And you know, the bosses you fight are forcing you to use the camera in these ways. You fight these guys and they're great and they're fun. And they lock on in such a way that they're your size. So that stuff gets carried forward in each game after that, right? Like that whole system of like one-on-one enemies that can block and strafe and move around with you further and Wind Waker Perry and Wind Waker where you would do the role and hit and then each piece of armor to the point that like all. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:11 So all the major battles in Wind Waker are like that. And then the finale is like that as well. You know. And so they realize, oh, this is one of the funnest things about the new Zelda format. So they kept that thing going. And like that's why I'm like in all the way down to Breath of the Wild, where they've had it in its most advanced form, like that combat is still a central focal thing. And I really like what they were the fact that they're keeping it.
Starting point is 00:21:37 I think so. I don't think I'd mind as much at the end of Breath of the Wild. I wanted more because every fight, especially against Calamity Ganon turns into a dodge out of the way of the horizontal or vertical strike with your appropriate sidestep or backflip and do the rush attack. Nothing is more effective than that ever. Well, I mean, aside from all the crazy weapon switching shield bouncing bullshit, but I'm talking about in the regular system, like throwing things at things,
Starting point is 00:22:13 using arrows in most cases, like, no, just wait for them to attack you. Like that's how I beat every Lionel in the game. Just like wait for them to swing and then dodge the side and just rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. It's weird because maybe it's like because you can get to Calamity Ganon with the basic whatever you need to get there. Maybe that's why it's like that. It's made so that they can't walk like advanced moves. Well, it's made so that you can Dark Souls it.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Well, you can't Dark Souls it too much. I have a friend of mine who went there immediately, like absolutely immediately. Yeah. And the main issue for the early game is that if you haven't destroyed the blights, the four blights, you have to go through all four before you get to Calamity Ganon. And it is difficult in the early game to actually bring in enough weapons to kill them. They fight you in the castle. Yeah, you'll go one, two, three, four, Calamity Ganon, Calamity Ganon phase two.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Okay. So like it is difficult. It's just like if you go straight there to have the actual amount of weapon durability and arrows that you need to get all of them. I'm sure speedrunners have figured out. Go here, get this, go here, get that, go here, get this. They maxed it out. But that's their way of working around that.
Starting point is 00:23:24 But yeah, you could probably get Ganon pretty fucking early if you wanted. I remember seeing an hour something thrown around like if you want to do it like somewhat legit. It's it's I think the shake up is is super cool. I'm I'm overall still really up on that game. I think like oh, it's fantastic. We could have gotten another thing sticking to the formula and they they shook it up a lot in a way that was fucking rad. I just wish I just wish I didn't dislike the the the the the centerpiece dungeons as it were. Like I feel are the worst part of the game.
Starting point is 00:24:06 And I think that the bird and the salamander are much better than the elephant and the camel. But I feel like that's because I got through them super fast compared to the other two. Like they're considerably less complex and just faster to get through because I don't enjoy that that type of thing at all. Like I think the shrines were a way better version of the Zelda dungeon because they're just one or two puzzles total. And they're completely self-contained, except for those fucking motion control ones. The big shrines definitely felt more like dungeons, more like old dungeons, I should say. Yeah, because the shrines were like just ideas that would be within a traditional Zelda dungeon spread out over like 12 rooms or whatever. And I mean, those were fun, too.
Starting point is 00:24:55 You know, that's all that's all the in there. The wait, so you were you were pretty much near the end anyway. Oh, yeah, dude, I was I was all the way at the end. I was just doing shrines and done everything. The only thing I hadn't done was the four beasts. OK, because obviously, like I don't remember what I had explored the entire map and gotten a hundred and sixteen or 17 shrines before I started to do the beasts. Because there are a couple shrines that are locked behind the beasts that you cannot do. There's one under in the Flying Village where the side quest to unlock the shrine just does not appear until you get the beast out of the way, stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Let's see, what else? I also play I also because I was playing mostly switch stuff. I also played a bunch more of Octopath went back to that. Boy, that game is charming. Have either of you touched Octopath since came out? Just only played the demo. I played. I played, I think, like I said, I got like two or three characters in.
Starting point is 00:25:57 You got in there. Who'd you pick? I remember I started with Minoth. I let us Minotharo. All right, you started with honey. Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck? This game.
Starting point is 00:26:09 And then it's thankfully just her. And then I went to I met the church girl. Ophelia. And then I met the library. No, the book guy Cyrus. Yeah. That game's great. That game's just great.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Like I went back and I was looking it over and I was just like. The leveling system is simple, but it allows you to minmax yourself into absurdity, which I appreciate. But it's also simple enough for the average person to just use as a system and just play the game properly. Battle system is a great mix of the SMT like break system and like a bravely default thing. And I went through a couple more of the character stories.
Starting point is 00:26:58 They're all great. Primrose's story feels completely at odds with everyone else's story in the entire game. That's the story that everyone, I guess, thought this game was going to be really dark based on. Well, yeah, because that was the demo, right? Yeah, I don't know if it was the demo. I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:27:14 I don't remember. Is Primrose the prostitute? Yeah. Well, no, she's a dancer who might have to hook on the side. Yeah. Because I remember that demo came out and everyone was like, oh boy, this game might be really dark or something. Her chapter one is all about like, oh, I'm a dancer, but I might have to be a
Starting point is 00:27:27 hooker sometimes and I'm going to kill everybody. And then round two is I need to travel to a secret whorehouse to kill the person who runs the whorehouse and free the whores. And it's like, wow, your life is just great, isn't it, Prim? And like, she's right next to, oh man, she's right next to characters that are like, I'm going to figure out how to sell onions. Yeah. And it's fucking weird.
Starting point is 00:27:52 It's still weird. It is a bummer. The only thing I can think of in that game, and I said it back when I first played it, it's a bummer that party interaction is limited to hitting the start button in between chapter quests occasionally. And then you get a couple lines of dialogue where trust is like, Prim, what's a what's a brothel? Oh, no, like, and it's like three, four lines of dialogue.
Starting point is 00:28:17 And it's because it's got to be every group has to be compatible and whatever. Yeah. And because the red area where the dev talked about how like they expected people to just get the four characters they liked and then beat their stories. And it's like, I don't know a single person that every single person I know did the whole circuit and got everybody. I mean, that's that's that's a stupid thought.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah, sure is. Curiosity would make anyone want to see the I want to see all characters and then I'll figure it out from them. I mean, even in like back in Chrono Cross, it's like you can get how many people to switch between a lot. You're fucking collecting as many as you can. It's more than Pokemon. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Yeah, no, it's like anytime someone shows up as like a potential playable character, you're like, OK, I want to know what you're about. You know, and then if you do that, if you get all eight and then you go straight to a person's story, you're wildly over level. It's called Octopath. That's correct. It implies eight paths. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Why would you cut half of that out to just go like I'm going to end it? I've mentioned to you guys on the on the podcast about the Octopath traveler fucking little Easter egg gimmick name thing. I think so. I don't know what you're talking about. OK, because there's Ophelia, Cyrus, Tressa, cool, got it. Ulbric, cool, etc. But if you play through their campaigns, the antagonists of each
Starting point is 00:29:43 character spell traveler as well. Interesting. Is there like I don't suppose the order you pick them up in like is somehow it doesn't matter. The only thing is, is that until you beat Saipik, Tressa until I finish Tressa's act for I can't pull Tressa out of the party. But once I do, I can't make it easier to remember those names from now on. Yes, that's a cool factoid.
Starting point is 00:30:08 And what else was on a podcast this weekend with some very British folk called the level clear gang. Yeah, I'm adding the word gang. They're not a gang. Yeah, they've they've gone a bit of all three of us. I think so. I Pete was apparently not there, but I hung out with Nick and Salty on Sunday and they're very nice.
Starting point is 00:30:29 It was a fun podcast to be on. Apparently that'll be up Wednesday. So I'll let y'all know on Twitter. Would you find that? What's that? Oh, we talked about some of the stuff I just talked about. We talked about soul caliber. We did a little bit of news cycle talked a good amount about the Diablo
Starting point is 00:30:46 three shenanigans, which I'm excited to talk about again today. Very excited. That was fun. Cool. And Red Dead and you know, the usual. Yeah, Red Dead slow. It's slow. It's very slow.
Starting point is 00:31:00 I'm slowly making my way through it. Yeah, well, there's I mean, obviously BlizzCon went down. So we'll get into it. But before that, Matt, what's going on? Well, yeah, kind of had a mixed weekend, you could say. But went down to Toronto with the Anna Celebrator anniversary, went to a place called Figures, Willie, which is kind of like a speakeasy. You walk inside and it's one tiny room that's wall to wall wallpaper
Starting point is 00:31:27 of comic book panels. And that's it. And you're like, there's no visible door anywhere. And the girl there is like, so what do you and you're like, can I have a table for two? And she's like, press the giant Captain America button. There's a Captain America shield on her pedestal and you slam your fist on it and a secret door opens up and I'm like, this is cool.
Starting point is 00:31:52 So yeah, we go in there and it's got like, you know, some comic book theme drinks like, you know, Super Soldier Serum, things like that. And they're all very expensive cocktails. But that's a speakeasy way. Yeah. I had a Donkey Kong thing that was on fire and it was in a Donkey Kong barrel. It was fun. And we went to like a spookatorium, like a haunt where, you know, like the
Starting point is 00:32:16 ones they have in La Ronde and whatever and people just. Is that different from a haunted house? Is that? Yeah. Well, I mean, zombie patrol and you walk in and there's just zombies in this house and then there's one that's completely in darkness. Okay. So they're all kind of themed.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Well, spookatorium. That's a that's a new one. So that makes me sounds. That makes it sound like a like a museum of scary things. Well, I mean, it's set up like that. There was a slasher museum. So they had like gigantic life like Michael Myers's and Jason's everywhere. And it was pretty standard except for the very end.
Starting point is 00:32:51 And I'm wearing a hotline Miami costume at this point. So I'm kind of like, yeah, I got my little plastic bat. No one can intimidate me. Right. But they can. It turns out because as I was leaving a guy that was basically my height but was dressed all in black and just had this creepy rabbit mask on was like following us and we're leaving.
Starting point is 00:33:09 We're about to go and it's in like a big open center. Like it's just like a big aircraft hangar almost just empty space like a giant parking lot and he's following me as I'm leaving and outside and going towards the Ubers and the taxis that are waiting and I'm like, OK, we're good now and I'm like, and the guy just stands as we're getting into the Uber and stands outside looking at me. I'm like, that guy give that kid a raise in the past. Oh, well, that's the thing is like, like I remember hearing about a lot of
Starting point is 00:33:44 these like higher level, like level two, level three haunted houses where the ones where you have to sign a waiver. The ones where you got to sign a waiver because you're like, I'm a fan of this stuff, but also I'm super desensitized to it. So you got to ratchet it up. That reminds me another notch. I think the second the second one, the second tier is like, you can touch me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Yeah. Right. Yeah. Red physically hurt me, but you can touch me and then there's like, you can not kill me. Yes, exactly. Right. Not grievously injured.
Starting point is 00:34:10 So I was telling you guys last time about the three t-shirts, right? Green, yellow, red. Yeah. Red is we might feed you things. Yeah. Right. That's a bit much. Vans will pull up and grab you like, but I've recently heard about, I don't
Starting point is 00:34:26 know if you know about this one, but it's like somewhere in the deep south, there's a like a couple of acres that this guy has and it's the weirdest fucking thing where you sign the ultimate waiver because they're basically just going to like not beat you up, but like people get their head shaved. Yeah. And like it's this whole thing and like apparently it you don't pay money. You pay with your soul. You give him three cans of cat food.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Yeah. No, I think it's other cat food or dog food because they run a kennel for dogs. There's something manner or a state. Yeah. And I read it. I watched a documentary that this one featured in. Yeah. That's that's the guy has money and he's the super weird kid.
Starting point is 00:35:08 And he's these weird kids rather that are that are like he hires like troubled kids to be performers and they and they straight up mccally manner something manner. Yeah. And it was definitely like fucking it from the sounds of it. The waiver is like we won't take your life and you can't see us like but we will put your face in water. You.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Yeah, you exactly will basically waterboard you. We're going to like make it and like the whole time too. It's kind of like like people are coming back for like repeat things to see if they can push themselves. Oh man. But it's like one of those things. Yeah. But it's a whole other level of it.
Starting point is 00:35:47 You guys see the the accidental I'm using huge air quotes crime at one of these things down down to the States or was a slasher simulator. It was like a haunted house that was supposed to be like there's a slasher going around getting your friends. It was similar to the one you're talking about. It was more extreme than usual and a bunch of a bunch of people are waiting outside and a creepy scary looking man ran up on them and said it gave one of the women a knife and said stab your friend stab your friend right and then
Starting point is 00:36:21 she stabbed her and it was a real knife and it was just some guy that showed up with a real knife. Oh, so careful that people tell you to stab someone. Maybe don't because she is she obviously thought it was like fake and they thought it was a fake knife like the ones that go inward or whatever. McKamey. McKamey man. McKamey man.
Starting point is 00:36:42 The person was apparently fine by the way in that stabbing but still like don't don't just stab someone because somebody told you. That guy tried to open up a place in McKamey Manor, tried to open up a place and the state just shut it down. They're like no and they had to move it somewhere else. But yeah ours was a lot less extreme because it's literally you know fake hanging body parts and the guy jumps out from the side and goes right. You didn't stab anyone?
Starting point is 00:37:04 I fortunately did not stab anyone. Like again I had a plastic little bat because Hotline Miami. Aside from that we also went to a proper escape room that happened to be Halloween theme for the night which was like two blocks away from our hotel. I read some amalgam on the plane. Did you? Yeah. New amalgam or old amalgam?
Starting point is 00:37:26 Old amalgam. I read I read the one-offs of certain heroes. So I read I sat down and actually read the first issue of Dark Claw. Yep. Wow. Super Soldier and Spider Boy. Oh yeah those are the three. I remember those.
Starting point is 00:37:39 There's actually a couple more. I'm like oh like I have the first issue of Speed Demon. I really want to read that. So Dark Claw is probably one of the worst things I've ever read. Shut up. I know it hurts. Dark Claw looks like the most money guy in the world. The Sparrow and the Jackal.
Starting point is 00:38:00 It's so bad and I feel bad saying this because it's written by Larry Hammer who created pretty much all of the G.I. Joe's backstory and all this. You know has a has a big long career but it's the most. It feels like when a TV show or some other type of media fakes a comic book and how it's like you know when Bill Watterson and Calvin and Hobbes would write the really gritty Calvin and Hobbes where he's using his imagination and he's like some guy that gets his vertebrae broken because he's got a gun and then it says see last issue and then Calvin's actually reading the comic.
Starting point is 00:38:35 It's so hopefully written that I'm like I can't take this seriously. Now I will say that Carol Danvers being in this and being melded with Huntress is a cool character. But Logan had his parents killed in Crime Alley then left to be with his extended family in Saskatoon. Yeah has a mutant healing factor. Totally. But is a billionaire artist too.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Like how lucky can one man get combinations of of the origins. I'm like I I can't. Matt. The sparrow is super annoying fault for pulling out the magnifying glass. Anyway, we left this where it should have been at the surface. You got in the kiddie pool and dived like Michael Phelps. And this is what fucking happened on the bottom. Let me finish though because then I read Super Soldier and I was which is a
Starting point is 00:39:33 combination of Superman and Captain America. Yeah. So it's Clark Kent. But he looks like Steve Rogers. He's got blonde hair. All right. Right. He was a regular dude.
Starting point is 00:39:43 Okay. I was just walking around or Clark like actual Cal L dies in the baby. Cal dies in his pod. Oh no. They get his DNA and they make the Super Soldier serum with Krypton DNA. You know what? That's fine. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:40:00 That actually makes perfect sense. They inject it into Clark Kent because there's no Steve Rogers and he wins World War Two and Lex Luthor. Yeah, you would. They say he wins it single-handedly. And Lex Luthor is on the surface like a super benevolent like millionaire who is actually like a secret Hydra guy and he actually made the Nazi war machine in secret and that is drawn by Dave Gibbons who drew Watchman.
Starting point is 00:40:29 So the art's super nice. And I was really happy with this. I'm like, this is really cool. This is a really nice combination of both origins and I enjoy it. And that sounds pretty solid. Jimmy Olsen is the head of the day of the Daily Planet. Yeah. He covered Clark.
Starting point is 00:40:45 He covered Super Soldier and World War Two is now old. Yeah. I'm like that's cool. And then I never even finished Spider Boy because it was the fucking worst. Oh no. Spider Boy looks awesome though. Yeah. His design is great.
Starting point is 00:40:58 He's got the web gun. But he's super annoying. His web shooter is a gun. Take the annoyness of Robin and the annoyness of, sorry, Robin, of Super Boy, of 90s Super Boy. Don't call me Super Boy. It's the first thing you can name a Super Boy. He also says call me the Iraq kid. Oh.
Starting point is 00:41:18 So I barely even finished that. That's what I feel about that. But yeah, during the weekend also got some not amazing news where Leanna's great uncle died over the weekend, sadly. So we're going to have to go to a funeral later today. My mom suffered a stroke out of the blue, which was super scary, but she's stable now. Like I talked about this a bit on my Twitter. She's stable now and she's in good spirit. So like I said on Twitter, she thanked everyone for the nice internet messages, which is the most mom thing.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Yeah, that is a very sweet being said. But after I got home last night from spending the day at the hospital and I hate hospitals. When I am, I don't think anyone likes them. Well, when I go to a hospital, I will thank for being in there and made me go, oh, I don't want to be in a hospital. I better fucking work out as soon as I go home and don't eat that when I go home or whatever. So it does always kind of give you a kick in the pants. But when I did get home, I booted two games up really quickly. Get my mind off things.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Dusk episode three. And that's officially going to be out of early access in December. And I've played dusk on and off whenever I got a new episode because they just been adding like much like shareware episodes. That that first episode of dusk, which is the first person shooter for those that don't know that like try to mimic doom and quake and does a good job at it. The first episode is all about the backwoods fighting hillbillies, guys with chainsaws and it's it's very cult like. And then the second episode is more military installations and has more like guys with guns. And this third episode called the Nameless City tells a lot more into Lovecraft and going deep, deep down into the earth. Did something happen recently?
Starting point is 00:43:11 What? Because I've a lot of noise being made about dusk now. They just announced how they're like exiting early access and it's going to be full fledging. They announced that they're going to have a switch port. So that happened in the last couple of weeks. OK, because I feel because I feel like I saw some people tweeting about it and then I saw someone else go. Why are people suddenly talking about dusk? Yeah, now you're talking about it.
Starting point is 00:43:33 So I'm just asking because the days are getting longer. Yeah, shorter, whatever, fuck me. So I played a few levels of this and it's still got such great fucking level design. A lot of verticality. Like a lot more verticality than doom or quake ever had because it throws a lot of unreal tournament in there with like jump pads and and and should like that. And like the ability to climb up walls with certain power up. So that game is really neat. I also played a doom to total conversion called Total Chaos.
Starting point is 00:44:03 And I saw the screenshots of this. I'm like, how is this running on doom? I don't understand. It's called Total Chaos, which isn't a great name. But imagine doom, but it's not doom, but it's a metro last light or stalker. What? Yeah. How?
Starting point is 00:44:21 Where is that comparison? So because you're in a very isolated mining community, it's very gray. It's very isolated. You have a radiation meter. You also have a lot of survival stats. I'm not a fan of like bleeding radiation and hunger. You have a stamina meter. It has a lot of melee combat.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Your first weapons of pickaxe. OK. And it's also a few in between. I found one enemy. My weapon broke while fighting him. Awesome. And I ran away. And that's where I saved because I was also getting a bit scared because it does seem to have some supernatural elements.
Starting point is 00:44:58 There's just like kind of like like kind of silent hillish audio interference and like video interference and enemies kind of blip on the screen for a second. And then just go away and you're like, but it's still super impressive that it looks like this. It's also got a big inventory system. So you're equipping things. There's a look at this. I was just about to see what the fuck this looks like. Total chaos. I was just about to take a look.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, it's not. Again, the name. I don't really understand it, but it doesn't sound like what you're describing doesn't sound like total chaos. No, I found one enemy very, very quiet. Yeah, it was. And it has really good audio design. You can just get it as a standalone thing on total mods. I forget the name of the website, but yeah, I was still really impressed with it.
Starting point is 00:45:44 I just I don't know how people can do it. What? That's a doom mod. Yeah. The guys got completely polygonal arms and weapons. It sure is. And lighting. I think it might be a total Doom II mod.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Well, it still doesn't make any sense. Doom II. Don't you mean Doom III? No. OK, well, this looks a lot better than Doom II did. So that sounds ridiculous to me. It's got lighting. Go to the description.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Maybe it's exactly. Maybe I'm misremembering. Doom II. I don't know. But yeah, like I wish this came out sooner because we could have done it for the shit stone. Oh, yeah, totally scary. All that enemy next year. Yeah, but anyway.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Anyway, so yeah, very impressive this. But yeah, that's me, I guess. Matt, did you play any Delta Rune at any point? I was I was gone for the couple of days where everyone forgot about Red Dead and everyone on all my timelines was like, fuck that Delta Rune. I forgot to actually talk about that. Will you play Delta Rune? I sure do.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Or Alert Nudes. Alert Nudes. I mean, I was I was so like Nude. I'm glad that I that like I caught that right away when the name popped up. And the Anagram nature. Yeah, and then because that then lets you do that for other things in it. Yes, it does. OK, look, OK, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Let's let's talk careful. Yeah, you've beaten it. Yes. OK, you're done. No, I didn't even like I had no I'm saying sorry. You said that's your week. I bet. Yeah, yeah, I'm done.
Starting point is 00:47:19 OK, so I guess I'll I'll jump in here. And did you beat it? I did. Did you beat it? It's not two hours. No, I was told two hours. You were super incorrect. I was told two hours.
Starting point is 00:47:33 And then later that night, I played it with Paige and then it took us almost seven. That's crazy. Yeah, because it's about four. Well, she wanted to she got every single item description in the entire thing. And we also unlocked the hidden boss, which is a fuck. Did you fight the hidden boss? No, they're a fuck. They're up there.
Starting point is 00:47:52 They're not up there with genocide, but they wouldn't feel appropriate. Is it that behind the door? In the in the basement of the castle. OK, you need three keys for. OK, no, I didn't do that. Um. Well, anyway, uh, I guess if we're starting there, we might as well stay on it. Um.
Starting point is 00:48:15 There's no way to talk about this game without without spoiling something about it. So let's let's back up a little bit. So you so Delta Rune came out undertale Twitter teased something that was happening last week and it didn't say what it just said. There would be some sort of survey. Yes. Check back in 24 hours. The name was all blurred out.
Starting point is 00:48:38 And then 24 hours later, a link to Delta Rune dot com was tweeted out with survey program dot exe. And it's and you basically install this program and it says warning from here on out, you will accept anything that happens. Um, so you install this survey program and then you boot it up and then it is a this is where this is where if you have any interest in finding out what Delta Rune is or going into this world or whatever this is, this is where you need to just stop listening because it's impossible to talk about
Starting point is 00:49:12 this without spoiling that stuff. It's it's meant to be something that's like cold dropped on everybody. And out of nowhere on Halloween. Yeah. And for free. And you're not supposed to know anything about what you're getting into when you get into it. So if you're late to the party on this and you want to be fresh, just stop
Starting point is 00:49:30 listening. I will before you stop listening, I would like to make an addendum to this that if you do go and download Delta Rune, be careful where you install it because the uninstaller will just delete the entire folder that the game is in. Yeah. So don't install it in a weird already existing directory. Just let it install into its own folder. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:52 Toby Fox came out and said, hey, don't use that fucking whoops. Yeah. Okay. So with that being said, we're going to talk about a little what happens after you finish the installer. Yeah. So you boot it up and then it puts you through this character creator. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:10 And which is not what I expected. And you you make your own frisk type looking character. Yep. And then it goes, yeah, that's cool. Who gives a fuck? Shut up. Shut up. You suck.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Your story character doesn't matter. No, we're going by we're going to do your you're not this. You're someone else. And then you enter into what is it? What appears to be a charming pseudo sequel? It is undertale. What what appears to be a modern day alternate reality with the same characters that you recognize in completely different roles with that whole.
Starting point is 00:50:45 What other stories are worlds have done this before? I can't think of American Horror Story. I have American Horror Story season to season is probably the most apt comparison at the moment. I know that there's better older examples. But here's one where you see like, oh, there's a cop and it's undying. But she's got both eyes. And she doesn't know anything about Alphys.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Doesn't know who Alphys is. Whatever. So you know what I mean? Like it's this this this complete type of world. Yeah, Majora's Mask is a pretty good one as well. Yeah, Majora's Mask is good. But in that case, the character you're playing knows about both worlds, but the worlds themselves are, you know, these weird mirrors of each other.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Majora's Mask not as much though, because there's a bunch of characters and things that well, anyway, the point remains is that it's an alternate world of the one that you recognize after that you go to another alternate world and it becomes a goddamn isekai. So you get trapped in some secret. I want to say the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe type of thing, right? We're almost quite literally you go into the closet and get transported to another world. You engage in a very similar to Undertale, shorter than Undertale game.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Well, the interesting thing about it is that when you're in that first initial alternate reality running around as Chris, yes, Chris, you are playing and whenever you pause it and look at it, you're playing in the Undertale engine. Yeah, the menu that pops up is identical. The sounds and everything are the same. And then the moment you enter this other Narnia type world, you get a brand new engine and you get a whole new system that is based on party gameplay and not one main character.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Yeah. So Undertale was sort of styled after the Earthbound types of, you know, things going on with one with one enemy on the screen in the first person view. Exactly. And in this case, you're looking at a more final fantasy style. Yeah, it's a little more RPG like looking the more final fantasy style. There's there's a lot that the that party system adds to the battle system. It does. And you can see that that's probably what Toby had as an idea. Yeah, to like go like, oh, we can build off of what I mean,
Starting point is 00:52:56 he talked about it after the fact, but like this is an older idea from 2013. But like the party system mixed with the Undertale act things and whatnot as a lot to it. And it's cool to see the updates too. Yeah, because like now there are there are multiple ways to win a fight without just acting and sparing. But like Chris can tell the other characters to act to get a bunch of different combinations of things.
Starting point is 00:53:19 If you tire somebody out by beating on them hard enough, you can pacify them with Rawls, a spell, stuff like that. There starts to become a game in the middle of it where, you know, you're going through the whole thing, but this is like like any other game where you've played the first version of it or you've played a pre predecessor. So you have expectations. You come in going, all right. So how do we passively get through this?
Starting point is 00:53:41 How do we have we right? You fight a dummy and you're like, how do I not hurt this dummy? Right. And then what you start to see emerge actually in your party of three or initial heroes is that one of your heroes doesn't give a fuck. Doesn't give a shit. And you're actually like there's a mini game system that comes into play where when it gets to that, your third party members turn,
Starting point is 00:54:05 she's going to murder everything. Yep. So it's your responsibility to actually warn and help out the enemy to be like, get out of here, man. She's crazy. It is awesome because it's like a turn based RPG equivalent of you doing the bank heist with that guy who's not cool. Sure.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Yeah. And you're trying to save. And you're like, okay, listen, Mr. Blonde is crazy. Don't look at him. I'm just here for the money, but we don't need bodies. Yeah, exactly. It's like when you're fighting a group of enemies in an RPG and like that enemy
Starting point is 00:54:37 has a countdown when it's going to do its big move and you have to just prepare you for that turn. You know what's coming. And so it's great. You have to you have to basically try and with you have to save what you can before she just strikes because she's fucking strong and like things are going to die. And like so to some degree, like if you don't solve the puzzle of like,
Starting point is 00:55:00 you know, it's not very complex, but if you don't find the way to like get the enemy out of the fight safely, then your genocide run would happen automatically almost. Well, but that doesn't, but this except it doesn't end. So I thought that would be like a way to go with this. And then, but it doesn't fully last. The game kind of has ebbs and flows, but what it ends up being is a really short thing where if this were a full, I mean, if this what we got here was a longer,
Starting point is 00:55:29 fuller thing, they could have had a whole like couple of hours of that style of gameplay, but they definitely just go through like three short acts and you get introduced to, you know, some protagonists, some antagonists and then a villain and, you know, you meet some charming characters in the same way that Undertale charms you and some fun people. And, you know, it's a good little adventure. It feels very much like a Undertale like remix. I'd say that it feels like something that a fan of Undertale would make as
Starting point is 00:55:59 a spiritual sender. Let me, let me, it feels like the Halloween hack of Undertale. Sure. Sure. And then you beat it and then you even get the same like, you know, go talk to everybody kind of thing twice even victory lap and you get your victory lap and then you get spit back out into that initial world. And this is where I was like kind of going, OK, that was a short, but I'm
Starting point is 00:56:28 done. And then that initial world was like, now you can walk around that whole thing, which is actually enormous. It's a giant town with tons of characters just standing around to talk to and it's really just a like hyper victory lap. Yeah. Because now you're just visiting faces you've known in an alternate world and seeing what's going on in this new town that you kind of recognize. And so then you do that and you, you know, you see some fun stuff and some
Starting point is 00:56:52 cool little nods and it sets up that world. And then it has a little teaser. Boy, that's good teaser. It's a good way. That's a strong ass teaser. It's pretty good. It's all right. I mean, I feel like I was I felt like I was leaning into it happening.
Starting point is 00:57:08 But the way the visuals of it are pretty cool. Yeah. Also, yeah, the Temi's art has fucking so good. Yeah. There's moments of really nice amazing art a couple of months ago, like maybe even the start of the year. I talked to her a bit online on Twitter and I said, Hey, would you want to like I have this issue with something I'm writing?
Starting point is 00:57:28 Would you? Can you help me out? She's like, never too busy. I'm like, oh, yeah, with what? And she says can't. I'm like, OK, that's weird. So I'm like, I guess she's busy with something like and I present to you something like I like no idea this game was ever coming out.
Starting point is 00:57:46 So I was like, this is must must have been so everything about this creating all this fucking art and its release is like the nature of this game's release is almost more fun to me than the game because like Toby puts up like screenshots of his of his folders for the game and he's like, yeah, I've been working on the script for this since 2012. Yeah, which is three or four years before the fucking undertale came out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:14 So the whole like not talking about stuff is like and like, yeah, he were helped work on home stuff and there's a there's a lot of parallel universe meta narrative shit going on. A lot of anagram stuff. Yeah, exactly. And like Delta and so the can get anagrams are fun. Yeah, people are tearing Undertale apart again. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:58:35 Define so and and and undertale is this kind of game that leaves a bunch of doors open with the gaster and whatnot. There is there is stuff that people have probably gone back and found in Undertale since this came out that relates to it. Interesting. In particularly in Sans's workshop in the back. Yeah. There was a picture of three people that for us does not recognize.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Sure. And says don't forget. Yeah. Which is the ending theme of Delta Room. So I mean the the the logo itself that both games share. Yeah. The Triforce like type logo. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Is is definitely that's the Delta Room. It explains it's more. Yeah, you kind of understand more based on what this guy. You're so lucky. The names you picked have fucking awesome words and titles that could be well. Well, so as soon as I saw it, I went to an anagram maker and tried to see what other cool things you can get out of it.
Starting point is 00:59:28 And newt alert is the winning gag that everyone ran. Yeah. But there's like two others that are still cool. But there there were there was. Yeah. And I don't remember what they were. Got to do it again. I'm going to have to do it again.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Um, but her ale, but it definitely had a couple other words that I thought I was like, oh, you can make a title with that in it. Uh, you got unrelated. You got nut dealer. Not dealer. That was it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:53 Good old nut dealer. That's November. Can't. Yeah. Oh, the cockles in my heart seeing that Toby McGuire a few Toby McGuire, Toby, Toby Fox a few months ago was like, Hey, I like those Street Fighter stupid videos. You made me and my brother quote that shit.
Starting point is 01:00:11 And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'd rather you be a fan of that than the shit we come out with now. Oh, no. That's real comedy. That's cool. But yeah, it's a it's a great little game and it came out for
Starting point is 01:00:25 free and it is labeled chapter one. Fun. And it's and it's definitely what the fuck is this? It's out. Oh, shit. Also, don't talk about it for 24 hours, but it's okay if you did unaltered. Yeah, I'll turn it's pretty.
Starting point is 01:00:43 That's pretty good. Yeah, excuse me. Oh boy. Anyway, the yeah, so it was good and what ended up happening was if I remember correctly, he then made a blog post where he basically was like, so this is a project I've had in mind for a while and I wanted to try out some stuff with it and it's a story that I want to tell, but I have no idea or plan
Starting point is 01:01:07 or team about how to go on making the rest of this, but this is chapter one of something that may get made or not. I don't know. It's really bizarre because it's like, do you want more of this? That's the survey. The survey is do you want more and I completely understand that because I super would do the exact same thing like that
Starting point is 01:01:23 type of thing where you're like, I've got this little pocket story and it's a little adventure and it might be a nice thing to lead into more if possible or if not, I can just get this off my chest. So we hire a team of 100 people right now. I mean, obviously, obviously like you could, you know, but right now he's just like, yeah, they're right now. There is no staff or team or whatever.
Starting point is 01:01:45 There's just the idea. So we'll see. So that's cool. Toby and Timmy. Other things, TNT there you go. They're dynamite other things. I did. I sat down and I took a look at
Starting point is 01:02:01 Naruto to Boruto Shinobi strikers. Okay. What is that one? That's the new one. That's the one made by team not team ninja by it a gacky. Oh, not Valhalla. They have another name. Oh, did the company went under again?
Starting point is 01:02:18 I guess they had. They had another name anyway. But yeah, the same people that made Devils third. Oh, the makers of Devils. A lot of people said some animations from there are taken from Devils third and I don't know because I've never played that giving my copy and you can play it on your Wii U. But I Suley Suley is the name of the company.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Really? Yes. So I took a look at that and I mean, well, you know, the footage will be up on only versus in short order. How is it? But it's I it's not what I thought it would be because from the looks of it, I was a multiplayer from the looks of it. I thought we were getting sort of pseudo fighter eyes of heaven
Starting point is 01:03:00 Naruto thing and actually what it is is Naruto overwatch. Yeah, yeah. And it's you do six v six battles or why don't they just put Naruto into overwatch? I'd save a lot of time. I mean, it would. Well, I mean, they put Naruto as a hot Fox lady into League of Legends.
Starting point is 01:03:19 That's who was dancing around in the in the longer. So so what you actually? Yeah, the genre is not at all what I thought it would be. And you basically when you go to make there's an interesting distinction to be made because you make a your own ninja, right? Yes, but in the process of making your own are you literally just leaving?
Starting point is 01:03:40 Oh, OK, because I thought you were just walking out a little cold at the introduction of the concept of a creature own Konoha ninja was Naruto. If I was going to walk out, it's the words Naruto overwatch. So but what it is is it's not even a create a ninja as much as it is a customized a ninja because this is something that it's a distinction that I want to make some games have character creators and some games have customizers.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Yeah. And what this is is absolutely the latter because you're not picking from original any things. You're just picking from existing assets of all the other characters, you know, so every hairstyle is a hairstyle of someone that is a character. Well, I mean, except you're picking your color with it. But there should be.
Starting point is 01:04:23 So you should have all the hair so as all the characters plus new one. Exactly. That's a character creator. Yes. Right. But that's not what this is. This is a mix and match all the assets that you're, you know,
Starting point is 01:04:33 so it's like soul calibers, alternate costumes. Yeah. So if you ever wanted to put Iruka's like face scar. I don't on Sasuke's hair. I don't and wear the robes of the fucking. Invert at Katsuki. I thought you're an expert on this stuff. Then well, I don't know what the fucking.
Starting point is 01:04:54 There was another robe. Who was it? Someone else's robes were in there and I was going to grab them. Wow. Caboose robes. If you want to do that, you can do that. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:03 And then your Jutsu are all you pick one of two Jutsu and they're also basically like existing characters abilities. Is there any is there any story or framing to all this? It's Bort world. What is that? Fucking me. Mommy, mommy, get me this license. You're in the hidden village of Bort of high interest rates
Starting point is 01:05:25 and it looks very different and I saw some shit and I was like, what? But anyway, no, come along. The game in the end at the end of the day, you know what it is like it's it there's some interesting ideas that are based on like, OK, pick when you're picking your Jutsu, right, you can choose between four classes. You can be a healer, offense, defense, sniper type of thing
Starting point is 01:05:49 and it should be like a weapons person like a hand to hand guy. Like, why doesn't it actually? Well, that's that's effectively what it turns into. What's a sniper then? In terms of long range. Okay. Right. It's called it's not called sniper.
Starting point is 01:06:02 It's called long range. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Right. That was confusing and you pick. So you yeah, you and your custom character can have those four loadouts and then the types of Jutsu and the type of
Starting point is 01:06:11 weapons you use are based on those things and depending on the game style, like if you're protecting the point, you'll want to defense character. What's the point? Like, is it actually just a point on the map? The point is a giant beast. I thought it was going to be like a pot of tea. No, it's like Gamma Bunta.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Okay. Oh, shit. Okay, right. And then there's two and then and then there's two other spots where they got to rip up the seal and then and then attack Gamma Bunta and if they kill him, then you lose. So if you're on defense, you want to protect those points. Other things are just team deathmatch.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Other things are, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, like Overwatch, you're cycling through different types of modes and different types of battles and then the Jutsu you pick, there's a, so like I said, there's a fun idea behind picking good synergy with your left and right attack because imagine if Overwatch gave you everyone's abilities as their classes. So all all DPS characters, all healers, imagine if they shared
Starting point is 01:07:11 a pool of attacks and you'd pick two that you liked and that's how it was balanced. Right. So there's some good thought behind that idea because yeah, but you know, I was testing things out and like one good thing is like you can do like a Sasuke lightning strike that like stuns people and immediately followed up with a Chidori, which takes a long time to charge, but is really
Starting point is 01:07:35 good damage and you have the time to run up to them and you can pick two abilities that work together well and have good synergy and stuff. So that was fine and you know, ultimately the actual, the movement in the game is pretty cool. It's better than the other, every other Naruto games movement. You can like air jump dash spin and like there's pits you can fall into and die, but at any point when you're in midair
Starting point is 01:07:59 you spend a lot of the fight in the air actually. Anytime you got that from the video, anytime you do a replacement technique, you kind of do the, you appear a couple yards away in midair and at any time you're going to fall, you can throw a kunai and then like it'll be like a zipline kunai or like a teleport and then you're running on the walls. So movements cool, mixing and matching those Jutsu are cool.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Everything else about the execution of this game is unfortunately just kind of whack and a lot comes to mind in particular, no dedicated servers PVP only. Oh yeah. Peer to peer means that there's no penalty for dropping. Yeah. Peer to peer means motherfuckers will just be like they'll just quit and that's the end of that.
Starting point is 01:08:43 How do you release an online game at all and not and put zero thought into this in this day and age? Fucking Tatsunoko versus Capcom handled this shit. Yeah, it was really baffling when DBZ fighters didn't have anything. Well, the more you play, the more it becomes evident why they did it. Why?
Starting point is 01:09:01 Because when you also you go into the game mode matchmaker, for example, there's no private matches, right? So you go into the quick match because that's that's how you play and you don't get to choose what modes you want. So if you want to do team deathmatch or if you want to do any particular type of mode flag or whatever, you can't. It has to be a random cycle. Awesome.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Right. And prior to now you could see the match you were going to get stuck in and then just quit until you got what you wanted, but they disabled that ability. So now you what you're in, you have to play the match you're in and remember there's no penalty for rage quitting and it's so that sounds like a recipe for success. They used to it used to derank you, but now it just does
Starting point is 01:09:42 nothing. So what do you mean it used to it? Well, you used to lose points in your ranking when you would quit a match or lose or whatever in this game did then they patched that out. They took it out and now they're now rage quit penalty. So now it's just winning gives you a lot of points. Losing gives you a little bit of points, but the more you
Starting point is 01:09:59 play, you can always just get it's whoever plays for most when did this game come out? Not too long ago. I forgot how long, but I love to remove features. Don't get it what you like then quit. So and instead of adding a fucking mode where you can choose what mode you want, they just remove the penalty and then
Starting point is 01:10:17 when you go and then you go to the ranking online mode and then you can't see the actual list of like leaderboards outside of the class you're in. Fuck yeah. So if you're in gold or silver, you can only see the number one ranked silver player. Yeah, one ranked bronze player. This game's great.
Starting point is 01:10:32 There's no other way to see what's going on elsewhere because you don't want to feel bad about how your placement boy. You're 200th of the bronze. That's pretty good. Don't worry about the rest. How many people learn gold a million? Who knows?
Starting point is 01:10:45 You have to get to gold to find out. So and then they and then the season's reset or whatever every two weeks. Anyway, all this put together is really stupid. And when you see what it's the reason why it's because it becomes painfully obvious. If you split up game modes and let people pick what they want to pick, they're going to just stick to one mode or two
Starting point is 01:11:03 modes and then other modes will not be populated and people won't be able to play. Yeah. Well, so a bit of that Titanfall issue, right? But this Titanfall shows you. It doesn't actually solve the problem. No, it just forces you to play things you don't want to play. But you dead.
Starting point is 01:11:17 But then it doesn't force you at all because you just quit. And then here's the other thing, right? One, it doesn't matter because you're stuck playing things. You don't want to play. Two, there's no penalty to quitting because they realize the entire ranking system is a bust and three, it's peer to peer anyway, because at the end when this game gets replaced with another Naruto game next year and they don't care
Starting point is 01:11:43 because it's a fucking annualized franchise. Make it make its money now. If they had dedicated servers, they'd shut them down next year and then that'd be the end of that game forever. Don't put effort into that. So instead by making it peer to peer, it allows it to last into the future because they wouldn't have spent the money keeping servers up beyond a year or two.
Starting point is 01:12:01 That's just great. This is an online game where your save file is local. So if you're if you get to whatever level or whatever unlocks, it's not like you're logging in and then that's where your shit is. Yeah. If you like, like you can just load up your old saver and you save or whatever and that's the progress you have.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Oh, yeah. Because it reads your offline safe online game. Heck, that's it. So doing this creates a self-sustaining baruto based economy. That's correct. There's zero economy. But bored it.
Starting point is 01:12:31 So, yeah, it's just an awful execution on an idea that could have been interesting. Awesome. And that sucks. I feel like people who make multiplayer games of this nature need to realize like, how do I put this? You know, every now and then there is a multiplayer game that releases and it's actually impossible to play because
Starting point is 01:12:48 no one bought it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like there's there's a step above that, which is the one you're describing Willie in which there's five different modes, but they know everybody's just going to all play TDM.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Exactly. Like, I think it is the responsibility of the developer to realize, okay, this is probably not going to be the most popular game in the world. We are just diluting the matchmaking by adding a shit ton of modes outside of TDM. Imagine if just put TDM in. Imagine if you booted up Fortnite and then you had to do
Starting point is 01:13:16 random quick play and there's a chance you couldn't get Battle Royale mode while the the and then everyone that wanted to play Battle Royale had to get stuck playing another mode that was not Battle Royale. Yeah. But at least put private matches because then people could just create whatever their own rules that they want to play in, but then have that other mode always be the cycle of
Starting point is 01:13:37 other mode if you need. There are many ways to solve this. Yeah, and none were taken. And in a team that's done this before you'd think would understand, you know, but yeah, just really dumb over sights. Devil's third is better than this. So at least it had a single player and it had a multiplayer with a bunch of fun dumb modes.
Starting point is 01:13:55 That game had too much content. And it and it and it's the saddest part and the saddest part, like I said, is the fact that there's some cool ideas in it, you know, and and like when you're running around like, yeah, the movement, you're like, oh, this is pretty loose and you lock on to somebody. Like it works. Yeah, you I mean, the soft lock is not great at times,
Starting point is 01:14:14 but when you do lock on and you're kind of moving around and avoiding and having your thing, like, yeah, it does work, you know. So anyway, I should mention, I said like take modes out that you don't dilute your multiplayer basis. And I'm aware that games do probably get docked points or like people get mad when there aren't more modes. People get a lot more mad when they're unable to play
Starting point is 01:14:36 the modes they want. Like people are going to get way mad at lawbreakers because they can't get into a fucking game rather than lawbreakers having 10 modes. So you know how like there's there's hard fast rules that you come to learn that are like, don't do this. Don't do this because it makes people playing your game not enjoy it.
Starting point is 01:14:54 That's right. Right. Uh, like one of those rules is like, um, denying people like fucking with respawn times is a really like touchy thing. It's delicate. Don't fuck with that a lot. The the for honor one based on the skill thing, I
Starting point is 01:15:13 understand. And that sounds fine. But a lot of the times like they overwatch has patched out abilities based on them making you unable to move because it's not fun. Oh, what's May's new? Does May retain her freeze then? Right.
Starting point is 01:15:28 They I they changed stuff about May based on that. Because that's like a cardinal rule is like other people's abilities that make you completely unable to act is the least fun in the world. Exactly. Right. Not being able to play the game, not fun. So, uh, they basically have there's there's ults
Starting point is 01:15:45 that make you die for longer when you do it on your respawn time. Are you serious? Yeah. That's outrageous. And and when you're dead, there's two screens. There's like a like a follow your player screen and then just like staring at the map screen.
Starting point is 01:16:01 And when you're staring at the map screen, you can't change your loadout. You can't change your your thing there. You can't check the score. You can only do it like when the game is going active. So there's these weird down times where you can't do anything but stare at the map and you're like, oh, I died for this special move.
Starting point is 01:16:19 That makes me lie. That makes me die harder. Oh, right? It's a weird thing to do to kill me. No, it's my respawn. It's it's gara gara's sand cow coffin. When you die with gara's sand coffin, you you you takes a longer respawn.
Starting point is 01:16:34 That's the right one, I guess. That's awful. Yeah. So you have to do it. Uh, you don't have to do it. But in any case, I hate that. So you logged in 600 hours. That's right.
Starting point is 01:16:46 600. No, Billy, Billy did actually. Of course he did. Of course he did. He's got a problem. But yeah, so I did that. Um, I obviously spent a fuck ton of time playing Tetris effect.
Starting point is 01:17:00 Yeah, I heard you got 18 fucking point line things. I came out Tetris. The demo, the demo came out. Right. Okay. And the demo ends. It ended right now. Actually, right like right now.
Starting point is 01:17:12 It ended right now just as you were speaking. Um, and the full thing is going to come out this week. So that's fine. I hope my saves carry over because this is fancy Tetris or what it's fancy Tetris. Uh, I feel like I can say that this is the first Tetris since Tetris DS. That's better.
Starting point is 01:17:30 Oh, wait, pending. You mean since Tetris sphere pending with a little asterisk and the the asterisk is because Tetris DS has a versus mode and a full on like multiplayer suite. Uh-huh. And I don't know if Tetris effect is going to have that. But actually it's coming out like now then barring that be able to see.
Starting point is 01:17:54 I mean, we'll see. Right. Like when they did the Tetris world championships recently, I was like, they did them on separate console. There's no grayed out multiplayer menu on the demo. Didn't see anything like that. But there were some question marks. Right.
Starting point is 01:18:05 Uh, right now it seems to be like there's like it's likely not likely not going to be in there. There's a lot of like leaderboards and like, you know, sort of like score attacks with other people, but there's no direct like Tetris attack style. I'm a drop some shit on your screen multiplayer. And that was that was a lot of the fun that we had. Um, but this is looking like it's going to be.
Starting point is 01:18:32 Yeah, just as far as raw Tetris goes, like the best one since DS and that's a big, big fucking wall to climb because Tetris DS is like perfection in my eyes. Um, why? Well, two things. Uh, one, just the aesthetic nooks and crannies are obviously through the fucking roof, right? And the feel and the little, you know, the little fucking
Starting point is 01:19:01 the bumps and the vibration and the rhythm and the res and the Tetsuya Mizuguchi of the whole thing is just great. Uh, just bursting with Miz bursting with Miz. Um, there's also the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, which you would call it. Yeah, there's a, there's lots of options for like, like Tetris things that things to become part of the, there's a Tetris kind of compliance, right?
Starting point is 01:19:27 There's a rule book of like this is what an official Tetris game has to have. And, uh, this includes like a lot of like toggles for turning those things on and off, uh, over the years, for example, we've come a long way since the Game Boy Tetris, right? Yes. Um, and some of those console and some of those things, uh, over the years, people have gotten very like some, some
Starting point is 01:19:47 traditionalists have gotten upset about, but overall the stuff that stuck around has all made the game way funner to play and way better. Uh, and it's made it easier in ways, but it just means that the skill ceiling gets higher. Right. Right. So now, for example, when a Tetris block lands on the, on
Starting point is 01:20:03 the, when you drop it in the well, you can actually still rotate while you're down there. That's a big change. Makes things a little easier, but it means that the skill ceiling is, yeah, it means you can do goofier bullshit. It means you can do more, right? Um, in this, and in the same way you see the, the ghosts, right?
Starting point is 01:20:19 Of your, of your, your, your drop, your piece that you're going to drop your tetramino and the same way that you see the next, the same way you see hold, that all changes the game so that you're actually playing with three tetraminos at once, not one because you have a hold and you have the next and that is all actively a part of what you're, you're figuring out and what you're playing with. Um, so all that stuff has become a staple.
Starting point is 01:20:40 The new thing that the game introduces is called the zone and the zone isn't in the snitch and the, the zone isn't in the classic notes that there, uh, but it is that where you go to buy coke in the journey mode. And so what it does is effectively it's meter. You have meter and you build bar, right? Okay. And depending on the, the rate you build up difficulty, I
Starting point is 01:21:06 want to get the, then you summon in, I haven't figured out the exact rules on how much meter you get, all your tetraminos completely, but depending on your difficulty, you get like a quarter meter for, let's say eight lines cleared or two tetruses, right? Okay. When you build up a bar and you use it, fucking time stop. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:26 Really? Right. And so what effectively happens in time stop is it's a little like when you do those clutch combos and touches attack and you get time stop literally for like five steps. It might as well be Zawaldo because the colors basically invert Alelitha League.
Starting point is 01:21:43 Oh, Jesus. And oh, well, you are now in the zone and what you do in the zone is any lines you clear get moved to the bottom of the stack and, uh, they and, and until the time resumes, they all clear together. Okay. So to get what they've been pumping up as a deca, deca Hexatris would be getting 16 lines cleared within one time
Starting point is 01:22:10 stop range. Yeah. Right. There's a lot of gimmicky shit that gets added to Tetris over different games and, you know, Puyo Puyo does this and Tetris fear did that and we, you know, and even Tetris DS has like the Donkey Kong mode or the Metroid one where you're spinning it around and shit, a lot of wacky modes
Starting point is 01:22:27 that don't really, they come and go. They don't mean anything. You know, this looks like it could stick around. I feel like it could stick around because you're building up your bar and you're building up like you're trying to get four or five Tetris's in a row and you have to build for it. Right. And yeah, and you, and you have to get, you know, you
Starting point is 01:22:48 have to, it takes a lot of skill because something that also, for example, the old Tetris never had was old Tetris had actual random on what the next block would be, which was fucking horrible because if you played skillfully, you have to play risky and stack yourself up and then go for multiple well clears like Tetris's. The new rules are that there is a random based on scarcity. So you will always cycle and through the pieces.
Starting point is 01:23:14 So you haven't gotten any lines and like 10 pieces. You're probably going to get a line, right? It's, I think it's like six or seven, but it's like you're going to do the cycle. So that means you can play, you could, if you can fill for time for five pieces or six pieces, you're going to get what you're looking for. That increases the skill a lot.
Starting point is 01:23:31 And cause, so doing that combined with the ability to stop time here and do this plus one other factor, which is the goals to move on to the, to beat the level like clear 30 lines or clear 40 lines, whatever those numbers don't go up when you clear them within the stop time. Okay. So what this means is you can get more points than you should be allowed to get.
Starting point is 01:23:51 I see. And that's how you fucking S rank and double S rank. So you're actually clearing 60 lines in a 30 line space. And the game goes, that's fucking crazy. You're at your crazy S rank. How'd you get double the points possible? Yes. And so that's what I was trying to do all weekend was get
Starting point is 01:24:08 my S ranks and I got, I got my double S's in VR and also not in VR. Correct. You can play it VR or not VR. Should have that. Yes. And they're both, they're both great cause the VR like hurts my eyes after an hour.
Starting point is 01:24:21 Why is it wood? And then you need to play Tetris for another 11 and then you take it off and you're like, oh my God, there's all this crazy shit happening on the periphery that I wasn't looking around at because I was in the zone because this game's fucking going fast and hard and I got to focus on it, you know. So yeah, octotris and decahexatris and whatnot.
Starting point is 01:24:41 That's all fine and dandy. Once you go beyond 16, you get what I got in my first game, which is perfect. Trice. That's pretty all right. That's fucking money. It's super good. And I was like, I didn't capture it or save it or
Starting point is 01:24:57 anything because I was like, we'll just have to believe you. Well, it's on the leaderboard. You, you know, you can see it and I was like, oh yeah, that's that's fucking sick. But at the end, it's pretty good, but I thought and I thought like, okay, and let me see if I can do better. And then I never got it again and I was like, oh my God,
Starting point is 01:25:12 that was a big deal and I checked the world leaderboard and I was like one of 200 people that had ever gotten that and then you see what's beyond that and you can get 19 and then 20 line is the 20 line clear is the whole screen and it's called ultimatrice. Oh, that's great. Right. Ultimatrice kind of like perfection is way better.
Starting point is 01:25:32 It should have been the other way around, but ultimate means final. Yeah, I get it. It's like killer instant combos. They stop naming them after a while because you can't get better than God likes. So don't try it. It like ultimatrice sounds cool, but perfect.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Trice is the best. That's really great. It's fucking cash, man. That is very cash money of you, Mr. Gucci. So all in all, seeing how this feature was not just thrown in for wacky random sake. It actually has bearing on the score that makes sense. I could see the meter and the zone sticking around, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:05 and I remember back when I was in QA when we had when there was a Tetris game that was going to come in, there was like, here's the Tetris book of rules. You have to learn, figure out, get used to this shit. I could see them incorporating this into that just alongside the other like official things. Like the colors have to be consistent. You got to, you know, you got to have this type of block
Starting point is 01:26:25 rotation and so on and so forth, having two buttons to rotate left or rotate right and so on. Anyway, fuck. Yeah, man. It just feels great. And even if you're not all the way in, even if you're just like, I just want to play a fucking puzzle game. I have a casual Tetris because I'm going in.
Starting point is 01:26:38 I'm going in super hard on this. But to be perfectly honest, it's fucking Tetris from the people that made red. So I'll tell you what, you remember how big Luminaz was for a while? Yeah. I remember playing Luminaz and being like, this is pretty cool, but I wish I was just playing a Tetris version of this.
Starting point is 01:26:55 Sure. This is what I'm looking for. Yes. Yes. Yes. And the three stages plus the marathon mode stage are all the songs are all fucking good. The music is all fucking good.
Starting point is 01:27:07 And then you look at the map and you're like, there's going to be like 40 of these or 50 of these and they're all these really immersive. So what is this on PS4 only PSVR? Okay, because this is the first game that I can think of where I'm like, they should really put this on the switch because it's Tetris. But yeah, but the VR part, fuck it.
Starting point is 01:27:28 Yeah, but it doesn't play in VR as well. Also, I can see the important in like a year or something. It would it would not work in your hands. This would be a bad idea in your hands. Really? Gameboy Tetris and DS Tetris work okay, but this Tetris has you zoom the fuck out because the art that happens as you play needs room to breathe.
Starting point is 01:27:53 Okay. So when the big res whales are flashing around and exploding into fireworks at the end of the day, you and I played a bit different, but it's like people do play their switches on a big screen TV. Yeah, certainly happened. But at the moment you unplugged it, your Tetris well would be way too small.
Starting point is 01:28:11 Yeah, sure enough. Um, is it coming to PC as well? Should somebody okay? That's a possibility is for PCs pretty common. Um, yeah, man, then when it comes to PC, people can add their anime girls into it. If you just want to play the most basic puzzle game you've you've known from childhood combined with amazing res music
Starting point is 01:28:29 and visuals go for it and innate that child of Eden shit. It's the good shit. So there's a lot of puzzle games on steam that are just called cube or shape or whatever they have the word hentai in front of it and it's just a puzzle game. So hopefully Tetris can squeeze through without having a steam hentai moniker stamped on it. Yeah, shout outs to enhance games.
Starting point is 01:28:52 Those guys and fucking Tetsuya are just they're killing it right now. Um, releasing it's coming to PS4 PC and the Woolies brain. Ah, I see. Platform get a really good combo. You get a hentai etrics. So, um, fine, whatever I tried. Yeah, antitris.
Starting point is 01:29:11 Yeah. Sure, sure. Uh, I have some questions. Okay, because we probably don't have answers. But what are your questions about? The other thing I it was that I was that I'm that one fucking weirdo. Yeah, you are.
Starting point is 01:29:26 I'm that I'm that guy that me and Matt are two on occasion. I'm that guy that watches the Castlevania anime. Yeah. And then says, hmm, let me let me go see what this Dracula's curse was about. Okay. And then I went and that's not weird at all. But it's like this old nest classic.
Starting point is 01:29:44 It's beloved amongst the things like Mario 3 and Mega Man 2. Uh-huh. Is is like a thing that I'm getting around to now to see where you want to go to the hardest Castlevania ever. Is it because that's what I my questions are, right? I've never actually played Dracula's Curse. It's the hardest one. I was because my first question is one.
Starting point is 01:30:06 Is it like this all the time? Is it like this all the time? Because it's really, really, really hard. Oh, it is. And I've made it a good ways in at this point, but it's kind of nutty what it what it asks of you at times. And my other question is, is that classic Castlevania as someone who's an outsider to the franchise, a lot of the
Starting point is 01:30:34 times when nest games were difficult, they were difficult in a way that like Mega Man, for example, this is fucked up. It spawn like like Ninja Gaiden, for example, spawns a bunch of bullshit at you and just keeps it coming because the screen is the way it is. It's almost a bug. Mega Man has levels that are like requiring you to make these tight platforming jumps, you know, disappearing blocks and
Starting point is 01:30:53 split second left and right movements. But your character is capable of making them, right? Yes. I felt like and having played the new Curse of the Moon version of things. Yeah, Bloodstained. Yeah, I was able. I went through that and was like, oh.
Starting point is 01:31:12 Bloodstained. Easy. Yes. And it felt like I'm like, and I was like, oh, this is cool. Yeah. And it feels like I had no questions about like precision or movement or whatever. Going back to this, it felt like 75% of the difficulty was
Starting point is 01:31:25 based on the fact that Richter and or whichever your protagonist was. Trevor. Excuse me. Just watch the anime. Trevor and I'm sorry. I'm not. Trevor, Cypher, Alucard and Grant, Dinesse.
Starting point is 01:31:38 Yeah. So far I got Grant and Alucard. Okay. It feels like the difficulty is coming from them being really slow to move and do things. Yeah. Yeah. That's Castlevania.
Starting point is 01:31:52 Okay. So like in other words, in one, your jump has a defined arc. Yeah. You're stuck in it. Your attack takes like a full second to strike. In this too. Same thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Same thing. And that's why I was like, I was like, if you could actually, I was like, if the game responded to my inputs, it would like. No, play in pre-cognition mode. Also, what are you playing this on? Yes. Like an actual, the actual hardware.
Starting point is 01:32:18 Well, it's a ROM. But so what are you playing it on? My computer. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. So I'm like, I was like, oh, I didn't realize this, I guess, because like the newer ones that I'd played and definitely
Starting point is 01:32:34 like my understanding of it was like, you know, you have, you're pretty nimble on your feet. Your jumps can be precise. You can attack as you need to. But the enemies are just, they're coming at you with some shit that needs you to dodge nimbly and be careful. And in this case, it feels like the enemies are coming at you with some shit you need to dodge and be nimble with.
Starting point is 01:32:54 But you can't. No, it's the enemies are coming at you with some shit that's the same every time. So learn it. Right. And the way they crouch or they go up and down is just enough for you to miss it with your whip, for example. There's points where you get to the top of a stair and then
Starting point is 01:33:14 Stairs are a problem in general in Dracula's Curse. Much more of a problem than in the other games. Am I allowed to say that they're awful? Yeah. Okay. Stairs in all classic Castlevania's are awful. In Dracula's Curse it's worse. Because I'm definitely, like I said, I'm coming at this going,
Starting point is 01:33:36 okay, there's some, this is old. There's some date here. Yeah. And I don't know how. The system they made was not planned for stairs. Because some people are probably like, this is what makes it classic. And I'm like, yep, those things suck.
Starting point is 01:33:50 It's why it's so fucking mind blowing that in Castle, Castlevania IV, you can just fucking throw your whip straight up. Now, fuck it. The fact that Grant can control himself in the air and you can't with any other character means that it's a deliberate decision. Like you should be taking these characters based on the
Starting point is 01:34:08 problems that you are having in this current room. I think it's always what they're kind of going for, but you can only switch at certain times, unlike Bloodstained. No, you can switch anytime. You can? Yeah. Select switches them anytime on the spot. Game pauses.
Starting point is 01:34:24 You get a nice five second and then your character comes in. But the stairs are unbelievably terrible and ever present in this game. And you get to the points where there's enemies that attack you low, for example, the the knights that roll their axes at you or the fucking, you know, the monsters that swoop up and down the bats and shit.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Yeah, the motherfuckers. And you got a crouch to whip them, but you get to the top of the stairs and you can't crouch because it down makes you go back down the stairs. There's times when you get to the top of the stairs and you have to turn around to make the next jump, but turning around moves you forward a pixel and you drop and die because falling onto stairs isn't, it's still a pit.
Starting point is 01:35:15 Yeah. And I mean, I remember, I remember that always. That sucks. Yeah, I remember I remember always seeing that about the old games, but like I never quite realized what it was like room to room back to back. How utterly in the night is a fucking jet plane compared to he's a fucking f 16 compared to his every other version
Starting point is 01:35:36 of it's kind of nutty. Yeah. And so that's all it is, is that, you know, like we're talking about things where you're like it's when you want to make someone in a game like Overwatch, like you don't want to punish people by making them not play and things like that, right? I'm a firm believer in make your player character.
Starting point is 01:35:55 This is super old. So it's the way people learn this. Yeah. But it's the idea. They did learn it for sure. Because the next Castlevania they made is like one of the easiest ones. All right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:36:07 The idea of like, you know, you have a character that can do tons of shit, but the enemies are just better than you, right? And that's what makes your your your super hard games like you're even your devil may cries and you're what not like the it's you're still enjoying it because you're like I have to rise to the occasion and I still have all the tools versus like the enemies are normal or slightly above
Starting point is 01:36:27 but you are underwater. You know, you are bad. You are not a you're a bad. You're a survival horror like main character. Yeah. In a way, you know what you'd probably like to try after this is bloodlines on the Genesis. I tried the first stage of that because I because of the
Starting point is 01:36:45 intro to Symphony of the Night, I wanted to go see what it was based on. Well, bloodline and Chino rondo. Exactly. We're not going to play it. I know. But I went to load that up to see if it was because that's what it said in the corner of the screen, even though
Starting point is 01:36:58 they lied. Yeah. But I was like, oh, is it this? And then someone said, no, the game lies. That intro wasn't actually bloodlines. It was the second or on day. Yes. Rondo of blood, which never came out here and then
Starting point is 01:37:13 eventually did for the PSP. Yeah. But now did again. Yeah. Because bloodlines is like it's a it's a bit harder than Super Castlevania. You have two characters you can pick. They're vastly different.
Starting point is 01:37:24 You can't whip in all eight directions. It's a level based thing. So it's a nice little mix of like not, you know, the classic style with like a little bit of variation and where you're going and who you can be like the prequel to Portrait of Ruin is the sequel to that. But the reason why I went to... Because of the Netflix.
Starting point is 01:37:45 Exactly. So I wanted to see that stuff. Yeah. You don't get much story out of the game in general. Yeah. And I ultimately didn't know how much I was going to get.
Starting point is 01:37:54 But now you appreciate how difficult Trevor Sifu and Alucard's quest was because it's very hard for them to jump normal. I'm appreciating that the difficulty of these games really a lot of it is based on the levels and the... Because ambushes are good, right? I like a good ambush that you've got to learn and
Starting point is 01:38:14 then work your way through it. But control and stair platforming are just awful. Yeah. And... Castlevania 1 is about learning every single placement and like do you have the cross? Throw it. Throw it before the enemies on the screen.
Starting point is 01:38:31 Do it. No, you know an enemy is coming up before he's on screen. So you pre-throw the cross. So when you walk, you scroll the screen until they get... Like that's the type of memorization there are requires. But before the last enemy is dead, the next one
Starting point is 01:38:44 is spawning forever from that same corner of the screen. These are game because the bats, it's like if you kill the bat too fast, another bat is immediately on its ass. It's weird that you decided to talk about this today because last night I was just happened to be watching AGDQ run of Rondo.
Starting point is 01:38:59 Yeah. And you see the guy not walking because that's stupid. Yeah. He's jumping backwards which is faster. And he knows every single time a bat that just got killed, another one spawning. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:12 And there's ways around it but that's... Yeah. Sometimes there's a random chance they'll spawn in the wrong place or sometimes the zombie will turn around and fake you out. Because they say like, oh, I'm going to get a bad pattern here. The flea men are going to give me a bad pattern
Starting point is 01:39:25 and they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like Wolves, going along at that point, it is actually interesting that you brought this up because it brought me to a realization because I streamed a RE2 Clare B last night and I beat it in my best time ever.
Starting point is 01:39:39 Woo, under two hours. But I'm thinking about it because you're talking about games that your movement is bad and enemies are more capable than you in a lot of cases. How that feels bad, right? Yeah. Resident Evil, like let's say, let's pick
Starting point is 01:39:53 RE2 is the one I'm the most familiar with. You don't get more skilled at Resident Evil 2 ever. You learn it. These are games not to gain skill or mastery. But to gain proficiency. You learn proficiency. You learn them.
Starting point is 01:40:07 Yes. Like when you play Castlevania, there is the correct way, which is you walk five steps, then you swing the thing. Exactly. And to be fair, you know. You have to know how many whip hits a night takes.
Starting point is 01:40:22 Yes. And to be fair, the first time you play a Souls game, everyone would love it if they didn't have to worry about stamina. If you could just swing forever like every other game, you know, but that's not what this is asking you to do. And that's definitely understood, but
Starting point is 01:40:35 it felt not like this was... It didn't feel like those imprecisions and slowness were design decisions. It felt like they were just... Well, the whip is definitely a design decision that it takes like a full second for it to come out. But like some of those things felt like
Starting point is 01:40:52 just this is how it was built. And unfortunately, I felt like some other classics built around the same time were tighter on controls. Oh, they were. You know. But yeah, this is ultimately Old Man yelling at Cloud from...
Starting point is 01:41:07 Ancient Cloud. 20 years ago. Cloud's gone 30 years ago. Not only is the Cloud old, but the Cloud changed into what you wanted and then died. Yeah. So I'm then sanely late to the party,
Starting point is 01:41:18 but I just wanted to know, you know what I mean? Because like I said, if anyone doesn't know, I've always been on the outside of the Castlevania franchise. I've played Symphony of the Night and I played... Probably a random DS one.
Starting point is 01:41:32 Maybe, but not... I played all the... I played the Game Boy Advance ones for a couple hours, but I didn't get much further. And then, you know, I dabbled in here and there. As a classic beloved franchise, it's
Starting point is 01:41:45 always been floating around me because everyone I know is super into it, but I never was. So I definitely just wanted to sit down and, you know, after that anime kind of see what was up. And yeah, these are just my 2018 conclusions.
Starting point is 01:41:57 From a game from like 90... Years ago. Three... I don't even know when Castlevania 3 came out. Yeah. Castlevania 3, it would have to be 1990 because Super Castlevania 4 came out in 91.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Okay. So either 89 or 90. So you're 18 years late to the party. No wait, you're 28 years late to the party. Castlevania 1, I'm pretty sure it came out on the NES in 87. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:24 Fuck. I mean, it's a beloved franchise and it definitely, I guess, kind of just kept going and got better as it went on. You didn't get the Requiem collection, did you? No. On PS4? Okay.
Starting point is 01:42:40 Because that's a good place to play Rondo. I'm probably not going to. You know, if you actually want to play the prequel to Soten, that would be it. Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. There's a feeling I got over the weekend when I beat Calamity Ganon.
Starting point is 01:42:55 This weird nostalgic feeling. I talked about it on Twitter of like, for these, what I would call, like, Err antagonists, like Ganon, Dracula, and Ridley, it's like, there's something really satisfying about putting them back in the ground again. Like you have over and over and over
Starting point is 01:43:12 for 30 years now in some of their cases. Like, it's, ah, it's sweet. Like how, like, it's that bit from SpongeBob, you know, where they're yelling old man, like how many times we got teachers, less than old man. Like Dracula, how many times we got to put you in the ground?
Starting point is 01:43:30 You done vampire? I get that. But I also want more. So when Mario Odyssey was like, here's that Bowser, and then you're like, wait, then there's some bullshit afterwards. And you go, oh fuck, this is great. It made me love it more.
Starting point is 01:43:45 Yeah. Because I like to see it go even beyond. Extra, yeah. You know, I like to see it go beyond. Exactly. This is what it means. You know, so anyway, that's what it is. And I'm glad I did it to understand.
Starting point is 01:43:57 And I'm probably going to go until I beat it. But like the fact that you're, you're, you're like with these crippling, crippling just disabilities at times. There's a reason why these games change, man. And you're taking as much damage as you are. And then there's like a boss fight that is like actually three in a row.
Starting point is 01:44:13 And you got to run gauntlets on these bosses because they start getting phases. Yeah. And you're just like, you're just, you're like, how is this? How is this actually? You getting your value out of your $90 nest card? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:28 Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. That's what it is. Right. That's absolutely what it was. It was, I was really surprised at,
Starting point is 01:44:37 at the, the levels of clunk. And it is nice to see that, that, that clunk got ironed out as time went on. But it took some figuring out. So we've always prided ourselves on the ability to go back and appreciate stuff. But like we're starting to hit the edge of like, there's only so far you can really go back
Starting point is 01:44:55 before you're like, oh. Hmm. Hmm. Right. And like, cause the early nest is now 30 years ago. Hmm. That's a long fucking time. There's a lot of little accessibility things
Starting point is 01:45:08 that we got used to. Hmm. That are like 15 years old. I was, I was fully prepared for, that's a classic you fucking madman. Yeah. What are you talking about? But I'm, I'm hoping to meet some like.
Starting point is 01:45:25 No, no. Yeah. No, dude. Yeah. No, those games are fucked up. Yeah. It depends on the franchise. It's been like, it's like,
Starting point is 01:45:35 you can go back to play Mario three. And it's like, I did like a year ago on my Mario, but that was like the ultimate of the NES. And it was like in the last year of its life cycle. But then like, you know, you go, you go back to like, yeah, Castlevania three. And there'll be a lot of rough edges, but it's like, well, you also,
Starting point is 01:45:52 when I bring it up and I bring it up often, I'm like, hey, well, he's so, you know, Jet Force Gemini, you're like, no. I'm like, it's not. No, no, no, no. It's the bit, man. It's the bit. I know.
Starting point is 01:46:07 But you also refuse to play it. But I do, I do. Yes. Firmly and staunchly. But when it comes to Castlevania, I feel like I'll always be an outsider on it. And there's a lot, you don't always have to be, but there is an enormous amount of games to even like,
Starting point is 01:46:25 say you wanted to be an insider on that thing. Yeah. I would say play one third or one quarter of the game. That's what it would come down to. That's still like five games. Exactly. That's what it would come down to. There's a shit ton of them.
Starting point is 01:46:36 My interest for it and its content like is, it's just not as high as it is for a lot of other like Metroid, for example. Yeah. Well, a lot of the handhelds are very disposable. Like they were either written out of Canon or they're just not worth playing. It's unusual for people that live in the world of games
Starting point is 01:46:56 and what like we do to not be into Castlevania. I'm the only one of my friends. I know that's just not like what I would, what I would do for you if you actually really cared. Go talk to Liam because he's a castle thing. I don't. I don't. Okay.
Starting point is 01:47:10 Well, go talk to your friend who's a Castlevania nut. This appears to everybody, right? Yeah. Have them give you the list. Yeah. That list will be massive. Yeah. Now go to your friend who doesn't care as much about
Starting point is 01:47:20 Castlevania. And cut it down. And have them go, yeah, you don't really have to play this one or this one, this one. Yeah. And they'll give you a list of like three or four games. Like I'd probably say Order of Ecclesias on there, Don Soros on there.
Starting point is 01:47:30 Lord of the Shadow 2. Lord of the Shadow 2. Yeah, Lord of the Shadow 2. It's honestly like it's half. Not one. It's half driven by curiosity, half driven by FOMO. Because it's just FOMO is so strong with us. It's just FOMO.
Starting point is 01:47:42 It's just, yo, guess what? Everyone's into Castlevania. I am. And I'm like, how bad is your FOMO? Because I'm playing, I'll be playing a new release and having FOMO about other new releases. Yeah, yeah, yeah. FOMO's bad.
Starting point is 01:47:54 FOMO's real bad. But the honest truth is I only cared about, I was only even curious because of the anime. So whatever. Let's not tell people what FOMO is. Yeah. If they don't know. If you don't know, then FOMO. Then you don't know.
Starting point is 01:48:07 You don't know that FOMO. That's what I said. There you go. Hey, are we about to jump in the news? We're about to take a break from our sponsors. Can I take a five minute break? I gotta run to the store because I'm falling asleep. Okay.
Starting point is 01:48:21 Yeah, sure. Give me five minutes. I'll be right back. Can you get me a white guru? White guru got it. Thank you. Big one or the other? Small, small, small.
Starting point is 01:48:29 Do you want to talk more about Castlevania? Well, we should just pause it. But what are we doing for the live audience? Oh, we could. Tell them to play with their dicks. Should we pause it or talk more about Castlevania? Whatever you like. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:48:40 This is a podcast. You're the host, technically. You know what? Let's just see if we can keep it going. Let's just see if we can keep it up. Let's experiment. For an extra five minutes. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:52 I think the other thing, too, with... There's some weird shit. So, Alucard, in the game in particular, is you're throwing your ball projectile out and then you get your upgrade unless you throw two. And then you get your next upgrade and you throw three. You can turn into a bat as well later. Yeah, he has the bat and that spends your thing. One, and this is going to be some like...
Starting point is 01:49:15 I'm going to just expose myself hard. Please. You break your lamps. Yeah. You get hearts. Yes. They're not life. No.
Starting point is 01:49:25 It's the only series where hearts are anything but life. And I'm like, what are these things? The only time... Why am I collecting hearts? The only time it's reversed is in Simon's Quest. So, Castlevania II, where hearts are not ammo. Yeah, man. I'm that guy.
Starting point is 01:49:44 Hearts are ammo for your special weapons. Yeah, I'm that guy. I haven't played these games. I'm that guy. I'll never understand why they didn't even as a kid. I'd be like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
Starting point is 01:49:54 The only thing that can repair damage to your body is meat that you find in walls. Hidden in walls. Wall meat. I accidentally blew a wall up and went, oh, that's where the life is. They're everywhere. Because otherwise, I thought you had to go through the game and never healing. Yeah. Because you only heal at the end of a boss.
Starting point is 01:50:10 So, you get to the boss, beat the boss flawlessly, and that's how you get life back. That was my impression of the game until I three or four levels in broke a wall down and saw some meat. Just think about this. Let's say in a Castlevania I, II, or III or whatever, you have like five weapons, you know, holy water, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, okay, so what's going to be your ammo to replenish these weapons? Because you have a variety.
Starting point is 01:50:31 We're not going to make different sprites for every weapon, for every weapon bit of ammo. So what are we going to do? Yeah. Like what would be in the candle? Yeah. Bullets? I don't know. And they were just like, it's going to be hard because hearts are your courage.
Starting point is 01:50:46 You need the courage to throw the cross at someone. That's what it is. Well, if you, some guy was in an alley and the only weapon you had was an iron, like, like fucking crucifix. But it would come back to me when I threw it. It would come back to you. Then. I mean, if you catch it.
Starting point is 01:51:03 I don't know how much courage I'd have. It's scary. And holy water, too. But the fucked up part is in addition to being super casual and then being like, wha wha with that was even if those hearts that you broke gave you one pip of life, everything hits you for five. Yeah. Like nothing does one pip of damage anyway.
Starting point is 01:51:25 No. You do one pip of damage to other things, but they do five to 10 to you. So it's not like it would have made it easier. Like you would. You would go around farming those hearts, but ultimately you'd still die in two, three hits. And Simon's quest has the day night cycle, as you probably know, what a horrible night to have a curse, a block, a box appears and it goes to night.
Starting point is 01:51:50 Okay. And night zombies come out, but all stores are closed because there's it's an open world game. So you can go all straight line, okay. But stores only sell you things during the day. So when it's night, there's nothing you can fucking do. So you're just fucked. You just have to wait for day.
Starting point is 01:52:09 Okay. And that's like one of the main things. Castlevania II. I only learned about this on AVG and episode. He explained how some people have modded Castlevania II to try to repair all the damage it did because a lot of it's like Zelda II where you go and someone will give you a hint about where to get a spell or something. And in the original NES version, it was like it was a men hate garlic at night.
Starting point is 01:52:32 Yeah. That's your clue. Yeah. And then people have rewritten it says drop a drop a thing of garlic in this graveyard. Like please do that. And then a guy will give you the item uni and they have to try to reconfigure it all to make fucking sense and it doesn't make it into a fantastic game, but it makes it like better. I had a moment after beating that boss that gives that fucking Grant shows up in.
Starting point is 01:52:59 Yeah. And it was it was it was like it was a rough journey, you know, through the clock tower and then you fucking get around and you beat it. And then the game's like, cool, you beat the boss. Yeah. And then the cutscene shows you like an opening where you're like, great, we're going to move on to the next little. And then the game's like, no, go back through the level and get to the exit.
Starting point is 01:53:18 That was the entrance. And I'm like, why? Fuck you. Just move to the next level. We need more time. We need to play the game more, Willie. It was some shit. I was like, wow.
Starting point is 01:53:28 In Rondo, they have this neat feature every time you beat a boss, the boss will have like a death animation and then it'll get in one last one last kill. But the one last strike, no matter how low it doesn't kill you, except for one boss, one boss's can. I think it's either shaft or death. I forget because it's such a cool feature. Yeah. Of the moon.
Starting point is 01:53:51 Add that to it. Add that. Yeah. And it didn't kill you. Yeah, it also didn't. But it was really cool to learn how to dodge it. Oh boy. Or get it the first time.
Starting point is 01:53:59 Fuck him. Love Rondo because Richter's like my all time favorite. I think he's the coolest. Richter's great. Yeah. His design and his brainwash design is fucking great, but are you going off of like design and move list or is there like, is there dialogue? Well, in Rondo, there's fully animated cutscenes that are voice acted in German because that's
Starting point is 01:54:20 what they should be saying. I think it's German or characters speak German in the real country of Wallachia. Yes. I think it's either in German or certain characters do. So like he had the most personality you could have gone at that point in in Castlevania in general. But there's just him and Rondo, especially when you get him in Rick get Richter mode once you've beaten the game.
Starting point is 01:54:42 And he's got so many fucking fighting games, special moves that they put into Smash and other things. I don't know. Most of Simon's move set in Smash is actually Richter's move set. Yeah. Yeah. Because Simon doesn't have a lot for Simon's God. I did the whip and then I threw the thing and then it's horrible night to have a curse
Starting point is 01:55:02 and twirl his thing. And that's about it. Dude, when I found out hearts were hearts like fuck. What? Hearts are hearts for your weapons. Oh, well, you know, you know that hearts are hearts. They're like that and fucking sympathy in the night, dude. I know.
Starting point is 01:55:19 But that's like because that's the only other game where that has happened. I don't even. Yeah. Hearts are your ammo. And like that's the thing is like even if you chicken is hard, even if it gave you one pip, the game is still taken five to 10 off of you. So who gives a fuck? You know, it's nutty.
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Starting point is 01:58:14 I'm sure we have a lot of spectacular news. There is, actually. Quite a few. Quite a few. You should expect spectacular news from this podcast. We had busy weeks, though, so it took a while to get to it. Usually not, because we do on Mondays and we miss a bunch. But it worked out in our favor this time.
Starting point is 01:58:34 Do you guys want to start with BlizzCon? Yes! Sure. So I want to just say off the bat on BlizzCon, it's like Warcraft 3 is one of my favorite games. Didn't know that. You're right. Favorite games, like, favorite 50 games.
Starting point is 01:58:51 It's somewhere there. I fucking love it. And I wanted to do a thing with it a little while ago where I'm like, hey, I'm going to play Warcraft 3 again. Super glad I didn't, because they're doing, like, a remaster of it. Warcraft 3, single player, is one of my favorite games of all time. It's amazing. It's super good.
Starting point is 01:59:06 So first things first, Blizzard announces Cosplay, live on stream. The sequel to Cosplay. Blizzard attempts to fight off, no, not, November early with Bob, the robot. So a nice, affordable, down-to-earth costume combined with someone's going to spend $100,000 making an accurate metal suit, Cosplay costume. So Ash joins the roster. Ash is a weird thing, because it's almost like... Calamity Ash.
Starting point is 01:59:44 It's almost like Pearl and Marina, where everyone immediately goes, fuck that character, look how great this character is. But then, very quickly, a group of people go, no, no, that character's super good. So it's like Pearl and Ash. Now Ash already has a defense force to fight against the overwhelming popularity of Bob. Is there a defense? I didn't notice. I didn't notice.
Starting point is 02:00:10 I didn't catch any of that. On my timeline, at least, I see everyone going, like, no one cares about Ash. It's all about Bob. That's ridiculous. People on your timeline are crazy. All I've seen is hype for Cosplaying Ash. So Ash, one, I think her design is probably one of my favorites of all the newcomers they've had since launch.
Starting point is 02:00:28 And two is her kit, looks awesome. Her kit is the character that I want to play. Shoot shit out of the air? No, it's shoot. It's not a sniper rifle. It's a rifle. Midrange. Like, the difference is vital to me, because that's the weapons that I used to like.
Starting point is 02:00:45 It's not point blank, and it's not sniper range. It's midrange. She has a shotgun to push people back to the range she wants. And I love ults that bring in ads. That's my favorite type of ult. 76 is, like, isn't he about the same range in terms of getting out of the fire? Yeah, but it's an assault rifle. I'm talking a rifle.
Starting point is 02:01:02 I'm talking, like, a pop pop. Cool. Also, the fact that the white hair and the cow, oh man, that is my jam right there. Ash, she's cool. And she's old. How? I know. I said that to everybody.
Starting point is 02:01:19 Yeah, she doesn't like it. Just the blizzard overwatch woman again. Because what they do is they show her in like a flashback with McCree or whatever, and she looks like more youngish, like diva-ish or whatever. And then they flash for you, like, oh, I guess she's like a year older than that, maybe. She's supposed to be 39, yeah, right. How hard is it to shoot the TNT out of the air? Because in the...
Starting point is 02:01:47 Probably not. Yeah, I imagine... It probably has a hitbox similar to, I don't know if you will know this, Willie, but Matt maybe not. You know, the old Unreal Tournament gun that would fire the big orange blob, a big purple blob, and then you would shoot it and do a big explosion. Probably has a hitbox similar to that. So it's really generous, is what you're saying?
Starting point is 02:02:06 Yeah, it's probably really generous. And her alt is she calls in her big robot buddy to basically fucking uneven the teams. Like, yeah, it makes me think of, god, damn it. Another Overwatch character or somebody else? Apple seed. Makes me think of Apple seed. Also her coming out and talking about the Deadlock Gang and all that stuff, let everybody know that Blizzard's writing is super dumb because McCree has now three different ages.
Starting point is 02:02:35 McCree founded the Deadlock Gang a hundred years before he was born. But then also joined it at 17 or 25, depending on when Blackwatch happened. And then had the Blackwatch part of his life. And then... Does any company that I think has this huge fucking Bible and everyone reads it before they make a character backstory, it's this fucking company, but apparently not. It's absolutely absurd how much they don't give a shit. But then they talk about how they give a shit, it's like, just admit you don't give a shit.
Starting point is 02:03:06 You're doing it like a fighting game. The story doesn't matter. And then they also show off someone that's not Athena, that looks like Athena. Who's Athena? The computer voice robot that Winston talks to. Yeah, apparently they changed her to be more like a weird human face. So in the prototype... This looks awful.
Starting point is 02:03:24 Honestly. The prototype art has a design of like, you know, like something that looks like the character we saw here, but is not... I forgot the name of the new version though. But in any case, here's like, how the actual... How root 666... How root 66 happens. 666, sorry.
Starting point is 02:03:45 Yeah. Order 6-6. Yeah. Echo. Echo is his name. Yeah, so that's cool, man. That's the new character. And...
Starting point is 02:03:56 I kind of want Junk Queen now. Well... In a while since Junk Queen was... Well, the next hero would be a guy, as they've hit 50-50 with the roster now, so they're probably going to do 1-1-1-1-1-1. Sometimes you make Ash, sometimes you make Moira. Yep. You know?
Starting point is 02:04:14 Yep. That's kind of what I'm trying to say. I was... While we're looking at this, I was trying to remember, what's that other character they added before Hamster, Paul? Who was... Moira. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 02:04:27 I was saying to myself... Oh, yeah, right. Right, Moira. Yeah. I'll also take the moment to take my cowgirl OC and throw it in the trash, because... You need to start making this shit, man. People are beauty-doodle to every punch. I wish I could play Overwatch.
Starting point is 02:04:41 I'm so bad at it now that every time I attempt to hop in, it's a miserable experience. And with my new couch and new house set up, I have an even shittier mouse and keyboard situation. I need some kind of arm thing, some kind of lap thing that's not Corsair. So alongside this, there was an interview where Blizzard talked about a bunch of stuff. The Lucio Serial. Lucio's is real. This is true.
Starting point is 02:05:12 It's amazing. There's not going to be any Borutoes anytime soon. No Boruto Serial. Probably not, because it would be... You said the Shinobi Shryker thing was like an Overwatch. It'd also be a bunch of metal bolts, and that wouldn't be fun. What was interesting in the interview they did as well was they talked about the fact that they're willing to retire characters from the roster.
Starting point is 02:05:41 That's absurd. They said they don't have any plans at the moment, and that it's not like they intended. They have... But they are willing to, if the situation calls for it, they will retire characters. That is completely absurd. They said it. That is outrageous. Yeah, but I think they said it just to say it.
Starting point is 02:06:05 I hope they refund people all the money they spent on those characters. The idea of... I think it was based on a balance question as well. If I bought 8,000 credits worth of shit for Roadhog, you better give me four times that back in real dollars. The money for Roadhog, particularly, is based on the random boxes. Exactly. So assume you bought it with credits, and then quadruple it because credits are worth
Starting point is 02:06:38 one-fourth of a dollar if they did do that. It would be a hell of a discussion. They know. You can't sell items for characters and then remove those characters. That's outrageous. You can't do that. You can't have, if someone has spent a certain dollar amount on a character, it's not like they can institute some type of system where you get to keep them, but everyone else can't
Starting point is 02:07:05 play. There's no way you could ever logically do this. You can pull characters in a sequel. Unless they were only retired in ranked modes. No. You can't pull them. You have to rework them until they work in the new system or whatever. But imagine they just pulled Ryu right now from Street Fighter V.
Starting point is 02:07:27 It'd be nuts. It'd be nuts. No. You know what's a better example? They pulled Chun-Li, and you lost the money you spent on the 35 costumes for Chun-Li. You'll flip their fucking shit. Let me get, let me see if I can pull up the exact quote just to get the accurate thing for you.
Starting point is 02:07:47 I don't know, he's just saying, because it makes no sense. It's just like, we'll take this, just patch the character if you're not happy with them. You've been doing it for like three years. Re-work it. Yeah. If you want a character to have an entire re-work. It's like you look at MOBAs, and what happens is, is they don't patch characters out. They just don't update them, and the characters become really bad, and then they might as
Starting point is 02:08:10 well not exist anyway. Oh, really? So that has a precedent. Yeah. And then, eventually they do do re-works, and people are unhappy because they like the way the old bad character played. Yeah. So, does Blizzard have any plans to retire characters in Overwatch?
Starting point is 02:08:28 We don't have any plans to do that right now, but it's certainly on the table. It's mostly if we feel that it's overwhelming, or we feel that the game would be better if people had a different meta going on. We talked about a rotating thing, or seasonally, but we don't have any plans. We don't have enough heroes where it's there. God damn it! They just balanced the game! It's something where, with Torbjorn and Symmetra, we re-worked them, we look at characters
Starting point is 02:08:51 every so often and ask if there's something we need to do with them, or with the competitive meta, we're really close to that with all these characters, so retiring them would be like, well, how do we do that? Exactly, but that's why it's a concern of players, as the interviewer. Like that's ridiculous, instead of retiring characters to change up the meta, just balance it. It sounds like there are other she is. It sounds like they're very much like doing what you're saying.
Starting point is 02:09:18 They're like, no, let's just re-work them, like Torbjorn and Symmetra, as she's saying, but it's more just confirmation that it's not off the table. I can't think of anything that has ever pulled a character under a circumstance like that. Any of you guys think of a game that you could drop a dollar on a character that that character ever got pulled? In a game where characters are sold piecemeal, or not sold piecemeal, but when aspects of the game are sold piecemeal, no. No, right?
Starting point is 02:09:48 No. Because people will riot. Like way to make people nervous to ever spend money on Overwatch ever again, if your character might get fucking taken out six months or not. Card games? Card games get rid of cards? Card games get rid of cards, and you buy cards. But card games, they get rid of cards, you keep the cards, and then they rotate on a
Starting point is 02:10:06 season. But that's different. Those are cards. They're not, like, character. I can only imagine if your game is shitty and doesn't have that many people playing it, and you take away a character, it's still gonna be, you're still gonna get an annoying backlash on your form. If someone got rid of a fucking Overwatch character, they would never hear the end of
Starting point is 02:10:25 it. Yeah, it would be like Pluto. We're seeing that Winston doesn't have a lot of playtime, so what we're gonna do is remove him from the game to shore up other defense. Like, get fucked. Yeah. Get fucking fucked. It would be, it would be a really, it would be a hard sell, but uh...
Starting point is 02:10:44 It's an anti-sell. You can't sell me on getting rid of my character. But I can't think of any examples where someone's been retired from a game, you know? I wonder if BobBob is based on the Bob platformer on the Super Nintendo and Genesis. I'm sure it must be. Oh, I assumed it was Bob's over Baghdad. No, I don't think so. That seems silly.
Starting point is 02:11:06 That's something like a thing that Overwatch would have. God, that is the coolest character. So also from BlizzCon. So Ash, Bob, thumbs up. BlizzCon. Thumbs up for Ash and Bob. Good BlizzCon. Good.
Starting point is 02:11:21 Good BlizzCon so far. Also from BlizzCon. BlizzCon. BlizzCon. BlizzClose. There's going to be a Warcraft 3 remake. Yeah. A Reforge, in fact.
Starting point is 02:11:34 Uh... So we're going back and rewriting shit to make it more in canon with World of Warcraft is the worst. Because we all know that the source material, World of Warcraft, has shaped the universe. So we need to get every other Warcraft game in line. We need to snap them into line. Until they break it again. And we just talked about this company has no idea when fuckin' McCree was born.
Starting point is 02:12:03 You want to talk to somebody who's frustrated? Go talk to a person who's a big wow nerd and knows all about wow lore and how often it's been retconned and redone and just fucked around. That being said, Warcraft 3 is the shit. The game looks fantastic, like visually. I remember studying the shit out of those cutscenes because of 3D Studio Max. They're unbelievable. And the other thing is that one of the details that I caught out of this, which was just
Starting point is 02:12:29 completely wild, is this will have... This is compatible multiplayer-wise with Warcraft 3. Warcraft 3 will get a patch that will just update it to play on this. That's pretty cool. Which to me says, does that mean Dota is also going to move over to Warcraft 3 Forge? And what Dota will that be? Dota 3? Man I gave it such an honest college try.
Starting point is 02:12:57 I really did. Managing your hero and creeping while doing base management is super hard. And then people decided they would rather play as just the hero, thus. And here's the thing, that was clearly at a point when the genre had gotten that sophisticated. You know? I just wasn't there though. And I was like, man, I tried. We got a differentiator from Starcraft.
Starting point is 02:13:21 I tried. It can't just be Starcraft with... You know, remember when Starcraft was just... My question since it was like the third game in the series, they wanted to do something now. Couldn't fucking handle it. So that's happening. They also announced...
Starting point is 02:13:34 Oh my god, I didn't see that tweet. Experience the epic origin stories of Warcraft. Well, that's not that bad. If it said epic origin stories of World of Warcraft, that would be a retching noise. Yeah, but that's what it means. That's what it means. Also, that's not the origin story. The origin stories of Warcraft 1 and 2.
Starting point is 02:13:50 It's true. It's true. But most of the characters... Which are based on the hit live action film. Stop it. You stop it. Of course. You stoop.
Starting point is 02:14:01 We all know. All the main players in World of Warcraft all spawn from Warcraft 3. Hey, Willie, you talked about games that are like tough to go back and play, like Castlevania. Warcraft 1 is unplayable. And it's unplayable because it doesn't have right click to attack. You have to hit A and then attack. Fuck that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:20 It's unplayable. Uh, so yay, thumbs up for Warcraft. Yay. I like Warcraft. There's a new Diablo and it's called Diablo Immortal Immortal Immortal Immortal Immortal. And everyone's really happy. I want to break down exactly how this went down because this is a big story in my mind because of all the cool though, all the seems pretty simple to me, right?
Starting point is 02:14:48 But the reaction to it is more interesting than its actual announcement, right? So they get up on stage and they go, hey, Diablo's coming to your phone, basically, right? This is met with just fucking booze, just straight up like boo, which makes the people on stage very uncomfortable. The people on stage who are uncomfortable respond with what may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on a video game stage ever, which was what? You guys don't have phones, which is met with more booze. That's what set it off.
Starting point is 02:15:25 That's not what people wanted to hear. So going into this BlizzCon, there were rumors that turned out to be accurate that there was going to be a new Diablo shown. And at the end of the BlizzCon opening ceremony, they went, and just one more thing, we're giving the Diablo license to NetEase, maker of pieces of shit Diablo ripoffs called, one of the one that pops into mind, will they go to YouTube and pull up Endless of God? Everybody listening at home. But logically, someone that specializes in Diablo ripoffs must be pretty good at making
Starting point is 02:16:03 Diablo's. Yeah, click on that one, mute it, and everybody at home, go look at your phone. Endless of God dungeon gameplay, Diablo mobile. That is the person modifying the title of the game, to, of their video. To just be Diablo mobile. So go ahead, skip anywhere through there. That's a good point. So that's Diablo.
Starting point is 02:16:22 Yeah, we're looking at Diablo on the phone. Almost every game that looks like Diablo looks like Diablo. So they basically took the Chinese company that was already making ripoffs of Diablo, and just said, here you go. This was then followed by the most uncomfortable Q&A ever. Which was, there are two people of note, one guy got up and said, hey, any, there's some features here that people have been asking for, for a long time, for Diablo 3. Is there any chance that this is going to come to PC in any form, which I should mention
Starting point is 02:16:54 is the primary gameplay platform of almost every single person of BlizzCon, which replied, no, no, man, we're going to bring this to all mobiles, everywhere, disappointment. All by the, rather, I personally think it's hilarious, the guy gets up and asks sarcastically, is this just an out of season April Fools joke? Hey, who's this guy that asks it? Some fan, some guy. Oh, some guy, they did the Q&A. They did a live Q&A afterwards, dude, which was also not smart.
Starting point is 02:17:23 Just think about all the money you're going to get from these children. I know, right, and it was, and the guy responds with the uncomfortable line of like, no, this is a fully fledged Diablo experience on the go, which is like, oh. I mean, I brought it up, but you know, Mr. Fields accurately said it's like someone in a conference watching your BlizzCon announcements probably isn't the kind of person that is going to care about mobile game announcements. And it's like, you look at this and it's like Activision wants Blizzard games on mobile because they will make money, and this will make money, right?
Starting point is 02:18:03 But the BlizzCon audience, the people who are going to buy a, I don't know, 50 to $100 ticket to go to a fucking celebration of fucking World of Warcraft or Starcraft or whatever, that are going to fly out to Anaheim, I think it's in Anaheim, or drive out, right, to get fucking pumped, don't want to see a fucking mobile game that they're not going to play and they're not going to care about. I do think it's a little gauche to go to your favorite publisher ever and just boo a product. Yeah, it's not the product you want, but it's not like this is, I get it if this was Diablo 4.
Starting point is 02:18:37 Well, they said Diablo 4 exclusive mobile phones. So what we're, I'm looking at the article, I don't think anyone had an impressions article here that that is also mentioning that expectations for a Diablo 4 were also high. So apparently it's being rumored now that Diablo 4 was going to be shown. And then it got pulled to show just this for some reason. And also they came out afterwards going, Diablo 4 is in development, it's in development guys, chill. So yeah, let's, let's take for example, Matt, you, you watched the Bethesda Conference,
Starting point is 02:19:10 didn't you? Yes. You remember what they fucking did there? They showed off fucking Elder Scrolls Blades, yeah, that fucking oblivion phone shit. Then they immediately showed a video saying we're also making the new Elder Scrolls. And it was nothing. That video was nothing. It was literally just, by the way, don't worry.
Starting point is 02:19:29 Kotaku just published an article 58 minutes ago saying sources Blizzard pulled Diablo 4 announcement from BlizzCon. Why? So everyone would have been happy. So it looks like it was actually a thing. Everyone would have been so happy. So what, so what the whispering about the game existing, where'd that come from? It was real.
Starting point is 02:19:49 No, no, no, there's been rumors for months that Diablo was going to be on BlizzCon. But they come out and say something about after the fact or they can't in the interviews talking about the rage. They're like, yeah, we're working on stuff. Okay. You know, don't worry. There's always going to be more Diablo 4. But also before every BlizzCon, whatever game has not had the most recent sequel will always
Starting point is 02:20:11 be rumored to have. And usually it's accurate at this point. They've been pretty good the past couple of years. So it's like there, there's two aspects to this. Are people getting pissy? Like too pissy? Yeah. Of course, people are getting too pissy, right?
Starting point is 02:20:26 People are getting way too pissy. They're getting rageful, but even more uncomfortable than that personally to me is I see a lot of people on the internet going like these entitled fans are children for booing and it's how shameful this behavior is like, fuck off. If you go to a show, if you go to a band and the band sucks, boo them. That's different. Why? It's if you go to your band and it's the only band that's there.
Starting point is 02:20:56 It's Blizzard is the band, right? That's right. If they play a song that people don't like, if they boo that just there's other good songs that they are going to play. If I went to a fucking stare, if I went to a goddamn Led Zeppelin concert, I don't even know if they're alive and they're like, okay, we're gone. And somebody's like play stairway and they go fuck off. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:18 Get booed. No one said fuck off. Yes, they did. So here's the source. Here's the source. No one said fuck off. Here's the source. It was called Diablo four.
Starting point is 02:21:27 That's a fuck off. Here's the source of the hype, right? Hold on one second. Sorry. If they did exactly what you said, which is show like either probably smarter to have the announcement beforehand should have been early Diablo four is coming, we're working on it. Then that's it.
Starting point is 02:21:42 Even if that's it, no one would have booed this mobile thing. You're right. Because they show they would have been like that's why they booed. And I understand. Here's the thing, Matt. It's like, I don't know because I bought tickets to I bought online tickets to the Final Fantasy shows, the Final Fantasy 14 ones. This type of event is not an E3 press conference, right?
Starting point is 02:22:03 You are buying a fairly expensive ticket and for a lot of it is for that show, that opening ceremony to be a show. It is their responsibility to entertain to entertain me or make me happy that I cared enough to support them. The rest of BlizzCon is obviously a thing and that's kind of why you're buying a ticket, but it is absolutely a show and for the show to end on a wet fart and then the follow up to the wet fart being weird interviews where they're like there, people are asking them about monetization and like, are you going to just free to play this shit to death?
Starting point is 02:22:40 And they're like, you should look at the track history of Blizzard. It's like, but Blizzard isn't fucking making this motherfucker. It's true. Like probably making all the decisions I think it is totally appropriate for a guy to stand there and be like, look, you love this mobile game as he pisses on you for you to boo and make fun of. There's, I think it would be better if it was just fucking silence. I think that's a lot stronger than here's what happens.
Starting point is 02:23:04 No, here's what happens. Here's what happens. I would have preferred silence when something gets announced, right? And it's not what you want because it's the inverse of what you want. You now have an outlet for your disappointment and it's all the audience is all fans as opposed to the lack of an of an announcement. You just have waiting and then nothing and then it's over and you go, bah, but it's over at that point.
Starting point is 02:23:29 Yeah. But when the bad thing happens, you have a, you have a thing to react to now. Yeah. There was if nothing, there's a stimuli, there's no Diablo, right? Yeah. But instead they got the opposite. The other thing that I want to say is like, let's, let's remove all right and wrong from this, right?
Starting point is 02:23:47 What the fuck did they think was going to happen? That's the ultimate. What? I don't know. That's the ultimate. Yeah. There was some articles coming out. The ultimate point.
Starting point is 02:23:57 The final point. The producer did not expect this level of backlash. Like, are you guys fucking stupid? Yeah. That's a vulture. You structured your show for maximum backlash. Yeah. And that's their fault.
Starting point is 02:24:05 That should have been the first thing. But also as an aside, I'm at this point in my life where I, if I go to a big, big Capcom show, let's say, and if they, they have a Final Fight logo and then it says Final Fight Mobile, I'm at this point where maybe five years ago I would have booed that. But now I'm just happy something exists. Diablo is in a different space because Diablo is going to exist forever. Yeah. And there'll be sequels forever.
Starting point is 02:24:29 So that's the point where I'm like, well, there's going to be a Diablo four. You can boo this. I mean, I wouldn't, but I'm not the biggest Diablo fan. It's so stupid. I like Diablo. The only possible thing my brain can accept is because people, we haven't been that loud about how, about mobile bullshit recently. No.
Starting point is 02:24:47 People have just kind of accepted it. It's just what it is. And no one's like, because they're not, because it's not even like it's like, oh, they're a threat or whatever. It's really just, it's a thing. They exist and they suck. And that's that. Right.
Starting point is 02:24:58 So it's just become an accepted thing. So I think the quietness has been replaced, it was mistaken. For acceptance. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There was a blog post on Blizzard websites. Like it was, it was, you can go back and read it now.
Starting point is 02:25:14 And it's like, taskly, like we all love Diablo, get excited, but don't get too excited. That's what I'm trying to bring up. And it feels like this whole thing feels like a man in a chair said, this game's going to be huge. It's going to make us tons of money. Show it off at BlizzCon. The source of why expectations were raised was because on October 17th, they said, there are multiple Diablo projects that we can't wait to tell you all about them when the time
Starting point is 02:25:42 is right. We all are, but good things come to those who wait. Yeah. Right. So effectively, like they're soft confirming the game. So this feels like they had a Diablo 4 ready to show and it was going to be after this, like it was supposed to, right? No, it should have, it should have been before it because people still would have booed the
Starting point is 02:26:03 initial review. Well, I think the reason they booed it is because they set it up as the last thing. Oh, it's true. So if they said, Hey, here's one more. And then they went, but don't worry, we have something before we leave before we leave. We've got one more surprise for you. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 02:26:21 But before we leave today's Smash Direct, we have one more character. In fact, let's just, you want to just move right into that because that's perfect. That's, that's hilarious. Because I think that's it for BlizzCon announcements in general, but it's like when, when a fallout shelter was revealed, there was, there was enthusiasm because they should also because they showed whatever fallout, I think I guess it was fallout for the initial showing of it. They showed it before.
Starting point is 02:26:51 I think I can't remember now, but like no one was booing that or maybe it was because it was a bunch of E3 actors that were paid in the front. But also it looked decent. Yeah. And it was out at the time. So people were playing. It was out that day or something. That's true.
Starting point is 02:27:05 So, uh, Smash Brothers Direct basically announces, announces one part of the big leak and then proceeds to shit on the rest of the league. So you know how they said this is what the character select screen is going to look like when you start a character that it should have just been Kirby. It should just be one box. It's a Kirby. No, it should have had eight boxes, but they all be Kirby. Smash Brothers Ultimate announces one character and all the rest are deleted.
Starting point is 02:27:37 So here we go. Why does Ken look better than every? Versa can ever because Capcom's having a hard time. They're having a hard time. You know what? Landing Incineroar on that list means someone's got their ear to the ground in the West at least because those Japanese reaction posts are still. Oh, I didn't know what's wrong with it.
Starting point is 02:27:55 So remember the reaction posts to, um, Captain America, Captain America, Ridley. So the reaction posts got posted for the, for the latest and it's a lot of weird, weirdly a lot of people just going, when are they going to put Saber in the game or some other character from fate? Oh, yeah. And then another big group of people going, when are they going to put Toho characters in the game? And it's like, fucking never.
Starting point is 02:28:22 Are we in touch with the same reality hero? I think it, and it's just a weird thing of like, okay, so no one seems to be like getting the part of this where it has to be at least tangentially related to Nintendo. Has there been a Toho game on it? I'm sure there's at least been one. Possibly. It has been. A tangential relation, anyway, uh, the only one that doesn't really count was Cloud when
Starting point is 02:28:49 he was first shown and now he counts. So he's got games on Nintendo's system. No, he was, he was on theater rhythm. He was. All right. That was, yeah. Remember, he was in theater rhythm. That's true.
Starting point is 02:29:00 All right. And they really stretch the rule to get people in there. Yeah. Well, I mean, Richter is clearly from the fucking Sony PlayStation. No, he was in Dracula X for the Super Nintendo. He was. Ah, um, so I want to talk about this real quickly. The FMVs for this smash in particular, nothing gets me actually more like nothing in Tekken
Starting point is 02:29:25 seven gets me excited as like little Mac fighting Ken and getting smashed into a video wall. Yeah. Like there's something about these in particular for this match game where I'm like, holy shit, I'm so high. Well, I mean, to be perfectly honest, since Brawl, their, their cutscenes have all been on point. That world of light because it's ultimate, that world of light cutscene, allowing us to
Starting point is 02:29:48 make like dedicated tier lists or who, who, who withstands an invincible annihilating force the best, allowing gifts of a villager with boxing gloves, just getting super hype, getting in there, ready to box. I've rewatched that world of light cutscene a bunch of times to figure out, okay, Link has the highest defense of any smash. His shield is the only thing that reflects a laser. He takes four hits to go down. That means his shield is stronger than Mewtwo's psychic abilities.
Starting point is 02:30:23 The stupid, useless, we fit trainer pose. Her is an eye frame. It's her. She's trying to dodge the laser because she can because that's the move, but the laser has a long hitbox. So it doesn't actually make sense in game. I'm like, oh, that's dumb snakes just hiding in the box, except he takes multiple extra seconds to get hit by the laser, which is because it can't find it because it's working.
Starting point is 02:30:52 Dude, like they do things that make sense in the world of smash and it's it's which confirms these are hard tier and it's amazing because like it's like Captain Falcon, like the fucking what's the name of his, his, uh, the blue Falcon. He's probably faster than an R-Wing, but Falco can get to the R-Wing way faster clearly. So we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but I, but, but let's just stay there because I want to, I want to get hard confirmation. We know that Shulk sees what's up, but we don't have hard confirms that he cast speed on Kirby.
Starting point is 02:31:26 We do what I am now thinking. He looks at him because the camera drops down Kirby to kind of imagine in the, in the pan away as he warns just Kirby. Go have no hard confirm. Or maybe he just looks at Kirby and he knows that, oh, he's like, Kirby, or Sakurai loves Kirby and it didn't matter. And the whole, well, because he's the reason that pal exists. Yes.
Starting point is 02:31:52 Well, I mean, woolly has an entire fucking video series on why Kirby is top tier. Please check out Kirby lore to understand why this is just another day in the park. The fact that in like a two minute video of all of your, all of your friends are dead. We're getting like hardcore complex tier lists. We're like Greninja, Lucario and Bayonetta are fucking top tier evasion. What you can't see when that camera pans and you see Kirby's back looking at the world of light is how unimpressed he is with this unknown God. Yeah, he can't see his face because he's fought so many.
Starting point is 02:32:26 It's just another day at the office. You have the render up of Ken on the screen right now. Let's get to the announcement. This picture of Ken looks more like Ken than Ken does. This is the most street fighter to Ken. Yes. We've seen. It's amazing.
Starting point is 02:32:40 They even say in the video, they're like, we're basing him off super turbo. And that's the thing is every new Ken after that started chasing the dragon that was the anime. Yeah. Because alpha fucked everybody up and gave you all the, it gave you the Bishi Ken proposal and everyone went, oh man. The GDD. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:32:57 And everyone, oh man, we got to go in for that Ken. But like, nah, street fighter to Ken is still here, but he still has a shin Ryuken. Yeah. And he still has a shippuden. After the versus series, because that's what the Smash Brothers series does. And he does shippuden Ryuken when you're point blank. Awesome. You know, all the, he's got a focus attack.
Starting point is 02:33:16 He's got all the shit that makes him Ken, but he's cool. He looks super turbo. Yeah. And links get away from my Zelda. Yeah. Like that's, that's, that's one that was pretty easy to guess coming. So you know what? The art leak is the exact same positioning.
Starting point is 02:33:33 It's crazy. So despite the other announcements not making any sense, that one was dead accurate. That's so strange to me. You know, all these little bits, like you just said, like, like get away from my Zelda, like all those little bits that they do with the in game models when they're showing off a character, like, oh, they're going to do this silly thing. Yeah. That stuff is, they used it for the, that the spirits battle where they, how can we
Starting point is 02:33:57 make this Otacon related, put Dr. Mario in there and put a giant Rob because that's a metal gear. So all those little vignettes you see when a character is introduced, let's make a whole mode out of dumb scenarios like that. Let's also figure out a way to use JPEGs to put every single video game character that's ever existed. God, if you, if you looked at the actual list. Metal combat Falcons, revenge is in there.
Starting point is 02:34:21 Yeah. Do you think they just... Tsubasa Oribe is in there. Yeah, she is. It's amazing. Well, we'll get the spirits in a minute, but do you think... Schneider Bel... Sorry.
Starting point is 02:34:31 Schneider Belmont from Castlevania fucking 64 is in Smash Brothers. Did you see that the guy from Disaster Day of Crisis... Brahmin Bryce is in Smash. I've wanted him for a while, but I'm happy with that. So sorry. Everyone is here. Here. But only, but people only want Miller.
Starting point is 02:34:49 Because that's what you need on your side. Miller's in there. Yeah. And Ocelot's in there too. The fucking dank... And liquids in there. The fucking dank meme of like disembodied voice of Kazuhiro Miller like following you around telling you to buy like cheeseburgers is one of the funniest things I've ever
Starting point is 02:35:04 seen. Do you think they're lying about this being the final roster list? Yeah. Well, the DLC list. Well... No, for the starting lineup, no. I'm pretty sure they're not. You think they're just...
Starting point is 02:35:16 Yeah? No, they're not lying. It's a 75. Because they said the rest are going to be... They said pretty earnestly sounding that the rest are going to be the DLC. I do... Like, I know it's like still it's like Nintendo announcing a season pass, which is very un-Nintendo like, but...
Starting point is 02:35:30 And we don't even... Now I'm going to tell you what characters there are. But I do like their dedication being like, we are not working on these even yet. I bet. We're going to do it when we're done the game, which they should be done now because it's like a month off. I bet. They were going to put Piranha Plant in as the sixth and first character of the season
Starting point is 02:35:49 pass for 30 bucks. And then they were like, now people aren't going to fucking buy the season pass and fucking Piranha Plant is the first character. Japan was very confused about Piranha Plant because by the rules of popularity, there's a lot of characters way more popular than Piranha Plant, including Isaac. I was like, huh, for Piranha Plant until I saw him do a fucking drop kick with this pod. With the little feet running out underneath it?
Starting point is 02:36:13 Yeah, that's the shit. I kind of would have preferred if he was PD Piranha, like he was a small PD Piranha because that's more of a character to me. Like at the end of the day, I care more about Piranha Plant as an enemy. I get it. I care more about that he's in a pot, but... It's the coolest Mario 1 enemy in my opinion. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 02:36:32 I don't agree. We're not going to put a Goomba in there. Yeah, I'd rather have a Chain Chomp personally. I've always liked the Piranha Plant the most as an enemy. I don't mind him. Of all the enemies they could have picked, I foresee the DLC roster being mostly guests. Mostly third party characters. I want Urban Champion real bad.
Starting point is 02:36:55 Yeah, and now the big league game is in full flux because we're in that... How much of that leak list was true, but it was for DLC. Yeah, I'm really not a fan of these months of a Smash game coming up and league games are in their maximum thrust because it just gets the worst of all fan bases out because it gets a whole bunch of really shitty people out there for attention just coming up with elaborate hoaxes. It's just not funny anymore. It's just a waste of everyone's time, but now there's things going on about, oh, there's
Starting point is 02:37:32 going to be a Grand Blue fantasy character. No, there's not. Right? But that's what Japan is. But you don't know. There's a Japanese leak that's going on about that, for example. Akira is in this game. And the fact that...
Starting point is 02:37:44 From rival schools. And the problem is that... From that are alive. And you have to remember, this is one of the only franchises where every confirmation is a deconformation that makes people upset. Because Isinoror and Piranha Plant make, even as a DLC list, that leak completely null and void. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:38:03 If any of them happen to be in the game, that was actually coincidence. And now we're back to it being anybody ever. We're back to people are creating elaborate bullshit photo shops. And it was so elaborate. And I'm going to stand by it. The moment you see Gino, check the fuck out. Gino's been de-confirmed because he's a spirit. Check the fuck out.
Starting point is 02:38:24 Fuck. You know what I don't... I really am actually not happy with is like, really, we can't even get an arms character as a DLC. That's wild. I could bullshit that. And they show them in the end. Now is also like a spirit, like no.
Starting point is 02:38:40 It's a fucking fighting game franchise that Nintendo holds. Nobody gives a shit about arms at Nintendo. And I don't give a shit about arms either, but I'm like blown away that I didn't get one wrap for a half second when they were introducing spirits. I thought they were going to, like, I thought they were going to say playable assist trophies. No. It was, there was a second there where it seemed like they were building up to me. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 02:39:03 Is Goku a spirit in this game? That I don't think so. That means he could be a DLC. I don't ever want to talk about Goku as much right up until Goku shows up. Yes. Here's the thing. I'm vowing. The rule set I think from every single character that's playable is that you are a video game
Starting point is 02:39:22 character first. Are any Smash characters were in one other media and then got turned into video games like Goku? I don't think there is. Depends if you consider a game and watch game of video game. I do. Okay. Then yeah.
Starting point is 02:39:40 Rob the robot. Because I think that there's any rule. Oh, Rob the robot's not a game. Rob the robot's not a video game character. He's a toy. He is a video game though. He's related because it's a Nintendo product. He is a toy.
Starting point is 02:39:50 But he's not actually in. He only interacted with video games. But he is a toy. Yeah. You're okay. He's very specific. I think that's characters like Goku or whoever that originated in another like form of entertainment. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:40:06 All these fucking Negan picks. Yes. Everyone's got a Negan pick. And I'd want to be wrong on that too. I'd love a stupid Negan pick. I'm just, I'm really just. It should be Goku. It's getting, it's draining me.
Starting point is 02:40:20 It's draining me man. And the other problem is you have to constantly have this discussion. Every time Smash is happening, you have to talk about everyone's high picks and then you go, no, it has to make sense with the consistency. It's really weird because Smash has the most. And then Smash will go like, yeah, but we don't really care that much. And you're like, okay, well then I don't know. Some, some things, you know, some things are even better and more potent when they are
Starting point is 02:40:44 assist trophies. I would rather Gael be always ducking and blocking than be playable. Yeah, I agree. He is more effective in that role. It's a way better bit. Yeah. Giles is this trophy that can't stand. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:40:59 Because he can only down-crouch. Why would you jump? That's hilarious. Why would you jump? And I feel bad for Sakurai and the Smash team because we're like, we're not huge Smash fans. We're all casual to normal average Smash fans here, but like everyone is ungrateful because as like, we've been given, we've been given so much, I'm going to put a little pin there.
Starting point is 02:41:23 I'm going to put a little pin there and say, I've always thought I was a huge fan of Smash Brothers until the world opened up and showed me what that really means. But my love never, I don't smell you. It never, it's in the same place where I've thoroughly enjoyed the video game, but it just turns out there's a lot more room for basic best for Smash. There you go. You're not a real Smash fan unless you're cursing out Sakurai for being lazy on Twitter. Right, I'm being gatecapped.
Starting point is 02:41:52 But there are, there's definitely, shout outs to people gathering comments and or putting together compilations of people going, of the shittiest people, people going, what a lazy game, or like they didn't bring the character I want into it. What a waste. So yeah, it's like, think, like, Marana Plant is character number 70. Yes. 70. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:42:18 It's a game that we, it's going to have been out of cloud versus fucking Richter Belmont and Mario. Ken. Like, and Ken, like, how ungrateful do you have to be? While you're fighting the girl from fucking Fatal Frame is taking pictures of you. And then Kero will fight each other. We are the most ungrateful, selfish assholes at all times when it comes to stage shows and us not seeing announcements we want and shit like that.
Starting point is 02:42:44 We're really unreasonable at times. We are at the point where we're like, OK, guys, just lean back and let the game be what it is. It's insane, right? It's, it's, I feel that the only reason, because we know he's exhausted. Yeah. We know he's tired. I don't think I'll ever get a break.
Starting point is 02:42:59 That, no, no, it's not that. It's the three seconds of silence before he said it. Yes. He was like the pregnant pause. Yeah. Swelling with birth. The fact that there's still a list of DLC coming, I really do believe he's trying to make everyone exhausted.
Starting point is 02:43:17 The only way to win is not to not play, but it's to give you so much food that you can't eat anymore. So with, with. Feed you till you die. Smoke that whole pack. I think you said, like, I want the commercial from Yoshi's Island where the guy explodes. You like smoking, son? I do.
Starting point is 02:43:35 I'm going to sit here and smoke this whole pack. I hate that. Like down this whole bottle. We're going to have 75. Did I do that, Tom? Yeah. We're going to have 75 with DLC. We're going to hit 80.
Starting point is 02:43:47 Everyone character. That is Mugen. That's Mugen. What is, what has the second highest roster? Is it MVC two with 56 of a not a Mugen type game? Yeah. I think it's MVC two, MKR Mageddon and KOF 2002 or any of those even break 60. No.
Starting point is 02:44:10 No, I don't think anyone breaks 60. MKR Mageddon might. I think it might have like 62, but I don't know. Tenkaiichi three. Oh, fuck those games. Oh, no, those count. They have like 100. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:44:20 But they all have the same movesets. It's true. Xenoverse and so on. Not Xenoverse. What's the fucking one? Yeah. Xenoverse. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:44:28 Xenoverse two. But, but I really think that the goal is to make everyone like, how do you, what number would it take for the most unreasonable person to still be like. So I'll tell you what? I didn't get my pick. Fuck this game. It doesn't matter because they didn't get their pick. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 02:44:45 Do you think we could get to 100 and still have somebody go, so fuck this lazy game. I didn't get what I wanted. Do you mean, is it unreasonable when a person says that because how could like, let's say the number is 100, how could 99 of those characters not be someone you like? Exactly. But the other thing. Because that makes no sense. Okay, when you get the roster up to 100 and there's still no Waluigi and you're going,
Starting point is 02:45:14 but I want Waluigi, the fact that the roster number is so high actually makes it worse because it's, I can't believe this. They've added 35 new characters since I wanted Waluigi and not one was Waluigi. I'm going to swerve crazy for a second here, but are you guys familiar with the movie Shutter Island? Yes. You've seen it. Yes.
Starting point is 02:45:34 Okay, so we don't have to take, spoil it or anything. Got it. I fucking love that movie. I know you do. Because of the premise of it. Sure. Right? So think about that in the context of this now, right?
Starting point is 02:45:45 Take the most unreasonable person and give them everything they're looking for until they have no choice but to confront their own ridiculous needs and at what point do they turn to themselves inside and go, yeah, that's enough characters. Never. You don't think it's possible? No. Not with the limits. I think we can see how far it goes because expectations are a madman's game.
Starting point is 02:46:15 Yeah, but your wants can increase faster than they can add characters because it takes months to add a character because let's say someone is familiar with cloud or, you know, Bayonetta. They're like, yeah, sure they're in it, but the character I really like from this game series, I really liked when I was a kid, Sabre is not in there. Sabre is not there. Yeah. So what's the point of this?
Starting point is 02:46:41 Where's Isaac? Nintendo versus franchise. Because there'll always be someone that's like, I don't care for any of these characters. I'm either too young or I'm too old where they're like, I didn't I didn't play any of these things or I don't care. Like, watch, watch. And maybe this is my own naive like just mindset as a whole going through life. But I feel like everyone has a point like or at the most I feel like most people not
Starting point is 02:47:07 everyone because there's people that are just like completely you got to write them off. But most people there's a threshold where even the the unreasonable will get to a point of like, dude, I'm telling you the higher that roster goes, the angrier people are going to be. The more it'll be because they're going to be there's a hundred characters and I still didn't get I'm way I'm even more angry. They're going to add they're going to add fucking doom guy as a DLC and they're going to be a shit-sillion people complaining that it's not James Bond because because your character
Starting point is 02:47:40 that you need in there is way more Kirito is infinitely pop more popular than Piranha plant. Obviously. So why the fuck isn't Kirito there? We can get 125 characters and fucking Kirito can't get a break. That's ridiculous. Fuck this game. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:47:54 So awful. This keeps up. Yeah. I mean, you would like to think it would be very easy to just show that person a mirror at the very least just go like you're like, yeah, show the person a mirror and as they're leaning forward to see their reflection, punch through the mirror. Like, I yeah, but I just I I I it would warm my heart to know that Sakurai's goal is to exhaust everyone because it's the only way he could get peace.
Starting point is 02:48:19 No, he's only a piece because they can't make another smash like this again. What I mean is that for Brawl? And they they kind of didn't sort of. Yeah. Now with everyone here, it's like kind of what we've been saying is that the only way you could do this again, another smash, especially if it's still going to release on the switch is like it has to be a complete overhaul of the game. I don't think they're going to release another one for switch.
Starting point is 02:48:42 I don't think so. I don't think so. Next next next. And it'll be another everyone is here with 10 extra characters. Maybe he's also trying to exhaust Nintendo so that quite frankly, he's allowed to hang it up because he's going to exhaust Nintendo by making them a shit zillion dollars more like when they when they go, all right, time for a new one. And then he can go.
Starting point is 02:49:01 What do you think I can do? Like what really look at your product? Look at the product. And you tell me where do we go from here? There's because there's there is nowhere to go from that's when someone says, well, let's make the new type of Smash Brothers game. Yeah. I said it last week, I said it last week, the same type of Smash Brothers just had like
Starting point is 02:49:22 just take him off and just add more roster. This game has clearly become about the roster. Make it a platform. Yeah. Well, whatever. Guitar hero it. Fuck it. Rock Bandit.
Starting point is 02:49:34 It's like it's it's that that shit didn't even last that long. Yeah. But whatever. Like people expected this to be a port and it's clearly not like fucking port this forward at 10 new characters for next year. Who cares when this first had its big unveiling at E3 and we saw like exactly what it was and there in Nintendo's E3 was all about this. I was initially, if you recall, like kind of disappointing.
Starting point is 02:49:53 I was like, oh, really? It's just smashed again. It looks very similar. This is a port. But like ever since its first own direct, then that's when I was like, OK, wait, they actually put a lot more work into it and every subsequent direct and this one finally the only thing during that during that direct where I'm like, that kind of sucks is like spirit seems to be the big single player mode.
Starting point is 02:50:13 Yeah. And I'm like, I now have like on a personal level, like why would I ever complain about this? Look at this incredible adventure mode. Yeah. That has this amazing premise. It's exactly what I wanted subspace because I hated the Smash 4 one, the stupid board game thing.
Starting point is 02:50:28 I hated that shit. Yeah, sure. There's a there's a I'm happy of Doc Hunts in the game. So if he stays in there, I'm happy. Nintendo has a power. Nintendo has a power platform in that every other video game company wants a part of smash, which is weird. No matter what platform they're on, no matter what they do, they would love to be in that
Starting point is 02:50:51 are included because it's even Sony because it's a prestigious platform to be in. Yeah. Right. So if they went back to the start after this game and then made something that was intended to not just include Nintendo, but literally anybody that's willing to get on board if you pay it off already knows what, right? I don't know what the dealings behind the deal of the scenes would be, but it creates a thing where you could get your Kirito or you could get your saber and then Nintendo
Starting point is 02:51:18 just takes all the money from that and Nintendo takes all the money from that. Then that would be like a massive thing for them in the next generation. Where's Fortnite, man? So like Smash has its soft rules that we all have in our brain at this point. And then if you reset that and just open it up to madness, you can still cash in on that. But for real, though, like the assets are all 1080p now, right? They're all HD assets. You could easily actually just port this forward, make it nicer, put more anti-aliasing on it,
Starting point is 02:51:49 whatever. Add characters, update the single player modes, add more. There's nothing stopping them from just mooring this game, like safe-sequeling it. But it's like, it's like Sakurai, it's like, just imagine me like I don't heal. You can say no. He's not saying no for whatever Nintendo does, either pay him money or just like plead with him like please you gotta. But it's like he can say no.
Starting point is 02:52:14 And eventually I'm like, I'm not even interested in making this anymore. I don't like I think the only reason why he does it is because he knows there's so much expectations and fans and stuff. Fans, I hate him and say he's lazy. I'm sure you can pass the reins off to make a safe sequel and get that roster up to 100. Who's Steve? I don't know. Oh, Steve's Minecraft man.
Starting point is 02:52:35 Steve is Minecraft boy. I still don't understand the Grinch thing. I don't I don't understand Grinch. Everyone's saying Grinch. I think it was because a certain like leak list and had pictures of the Grinch on it. Why would you ever believe that? Yeah. You specifically don't care.
Starting point is 02:52:50 All right. Smash is awesome. Everyone is here. I'm very excited for this game in one month. Do you know what I could see in the future if they don't want to do the exact same thing but still want to keep all these assets? It's just like do Nintendo versus someone. No, you can't even say that because then you limit it.
Starting point is 02:53:08 You do. You have to create the new platform that's built around every other company trying to make it get into a Nintendo game. But I still want like and you ultimately are advertising for the other companies. But regardless, but I want Nintendo versus Capcom. Crazy baffling to me. Nintendo would get cash money. Especially considering that it was helping develop this.
Starting point is 02:53:26 Still no. Hey, Hotch, you're Kizuya. I would have expected them to be a guest or assist trophies at the very fucking least. If Akira is a fucking assist trophy in Guile to be Akira. Yeah, that's you. You should have got hype for that. I did, especially to the right of Kira. Yeah, I'd be fucking V.
Starting point is 02:53:42 I'd be so angry if it was fucking VF3 Akira. And I I I racked my brain trying to figure out where Akira appeared on Nintendo console. You know where it was. I should give me a second. Give me a second. Virtual fighter project cross zone. Virtual quest.
Starting point is 02:53:57 So virtual quest is the right answer. Damn it. That would be first. That's GameCube. OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then later on project cross zone. The the Namco seems Namco seems to be content with Pacman or they don't have any
Starting point is 02:54:13 sway fucking forgot Pacman's in a game. Oh my God, this roster. Yeah, or they don't have enough sway, even though they're the ones making it. Like they're not any more prioritized than anyone else. Oh, man. I think is there a major Japanese company that doesn't have a character in there? So Bomberman would have been the pick, but he's an assist trophy. He's Konami and Konami has.
Starting point is 02:54:36 Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, well, because technically Hudson Hudson. Yeah, but Konami bought that. Yeah, yeah. So it's a weird thing. Tecmo has a fatal frame character in there now. Titus. The Fox. What Titus Fox.
Starting point is 02:54:52 What is not in the game? Who owns Titus the Fox? The company Titus. Is that a Japanese company? Pretty sure it is. Pretty sure it's European. Oh, then I'm wrong. But maybe I'm wrong.
Starting point is 02:55:04 I don't know. Atlas, no Atlas characters. I'm just saying, is there a major like company like like a Capcom or a Namco? Arxis, Nys America. Arxis is up there now because like Square is there like SNK. SNK. Yeah. SNK could get someone in there.
Starting point is 02:55:25 SNK is getting characters into everything nowadays. Who would it be? SNK is a big one. Who would represent SNK? You know, for on an intent on Nintendo, right? What? I mean, there's been KOF games being released on Nintendo platforms since the Wii.
Starting point is 02:55:41 Hi, Omaru. Hi, Omaru. I mean, Terry's been on Nintendo platforms since the 90s. He sure has. I want to say like, if I can get a metal slug, I think that would be more fun. Marco or or Tarma. I feel. But no, you bet.
Starting point is 02:55:57 It curry worries. You could just get Ralph and Clark in that. Yeah, but not in their fighting game. It would have to be Marco. But but quite frankly, for the for the pop, it would have to be Terry for the pop. I could. It would have to be Terry for the pop. But I don't think they picked Terry.
Starting point is 02:56:13 They pick Final Fatal Fury one Terry with the long sleeve jacket. You know, they would. Anyway, they're they're picking like Mega Man, one Mega Man, right? Like, yeah. Anyway, powered up version almost. So yeah, Ben. And then, of course, World of Light and stuff. It's all fucking crazy.
Starting point is 02:56:31 It's all in there. Looks awesome. Yeah. You know, you know, the the direct was quine for nothing when they're like the options menu. Well, it was a 40 minute one, so they really want to get everything. You can change the brightness. Or we just get geese and noctis and just start stealing fucking Tekken.
Starting point is 02:56:52 Yeah. Anyway, I will say this, like it needs to be more villains. There's no villains, I find. I'm glad that by overwhelming everyone, people are happy about this game again. Of course, there's going to come the time when it's out and everyone's used to it. And then the turnies are all they're hearing about. And then it turns back into salt. Oh, no, this is broken.
Starting point is 02:57:20 But we're but we're still in that. I'm going to boo Ken players from now on. But just remember, remember that right now we're in that magical pre-release time frame when things are exciting and you guys feel good about everything is great. OK, everything is great. And everyone is here and they're all dead. Just keep it in mind.
Starting point is 02:57:36 Put a pin in it for the future. OK, four hits to take out Link. That shield could have done it. He does a way better job. Reflect is useful. Everyone does what they can. Seeing that within couldn't do it. Seeing like seeing like Zelda do her like invincible reflect and and Palatine
Starting point is 02:57:57 and putting her shield up and just like the beam doesn't even slow down. It just flies right through them. It's like, fuck, they are wrecked. And it's wipeouts in this big wipeouts. And it's not and it's not taboo. Someone said that there's a symbol is symbolism that references some old religious imagery. And there are people are reading into it hard and figuring shit out.
Starting point is 02:58:17 So you don't need to read it. How are all you have to do is put immigrant song over this intro? And it's amazing. Oh, yeah. Well, you could. But the song that plays is from the same person that sings the Japanese anime intro to Kirby. So there's no. Oh, there it is.
Starting point is 02:58:31 Because Kirby. Yeah. So did you get a little rise in your heart when you saw that Kirby was the one? I did. It wasn't a little rise. OK. Like, you know, those, you know, that it's not, you know, it's like not a lump in the throat, but you just get a little chest like. Yeah. I got one of those. It's like called Angina, though. Yeah, because you're like, he didn't die.
Starting point is 02:58:57 He popped away. And then they're like, you're watching everyone die. And you know, they're not dead, but they're still dead. Yeah. Everyone's fucking dead. And then he does it and you're like, Kirby is the one to make it. And then he eats shit on the dirt. And you know that it's Hal and you know it's Sakurai's baby. But regardless, why?
Starting point is 02:59:14 Who else but fucking Kirby, you know, you can copy your power. Like, like, and the lyrics. But Mario like could do it role wise, but he couldn't have escaped being on a warped star is the only way you could have. I think the only I think the only thing that was missing is that we should have seen Mario doing a bunch of jumps to avoid them. Yeah, it's weird that some characters didn't even get a look in the laser fight. Maybe there'll be a longer version that plays in the base.
Starting point is 02:59:43 And I mean, here's the other thing is that it's the obvious choice without being the obvious choice, because Mario is the obvious right. Or any other like. It's like Kirby crosses dimensional rifts and space and shit. I mean, Mario kind of does that too, but. But then you go back to all the subspace emissary cutscenes and you see Kirby being the boss. That dragoon drop is still the coolest thing in the entire franchise.
Starting point is 03:00:11 Like, never forget, he takes out that ridiculous cannon, you know. I like how every smash direct is like a new wave of memes. Like when it showed the Splatoon inklings like looking and has a smash logo, like how long did that last? Like for like a good and solid other reflection. And now it's it's it's clips of clone high where Kennedy's getting blasted by the way. Shout outs to the other comment that was fucksack or I I really, really, really
Starting point is 03:00:38 hate that his stupid baby Kirby is the protagonist. Why can't Wario save the world? Oh, because Wario smells, dude. I think when they put Wario in the game, they were very concerned with how ugly and smelly he is. And they weren't sure if they smell bomb attack. If they weren't sure if they wanted to add him. We were not we're not confident in this character.
Starting point is 03:01:05 There's other small. So here's a good example of how to do one more thing in this world of light. And this is like, oh, man, and they kind of watched a little bit with Piranha Plant. Yeah. Yeah. OK, save your coolest thing. It's a good thing they didn't end end on Piranha Plant. They ended on this. Oh, yeah. It helped out save the coolest thing for the last second.
Starting point is 03:01:25 Heartstrings, even though it's just an it's an advanced board game adventure, but it's I mean, it looks more traditional. Matt, what? By the way, it's a 412. Yeah, so we're going to we're going to we're going to wrap up. OK, I just want to get into the Sega renewing Virtua Fighter logo trademark for Battle Genesis. That's a cool name. But don't know.
Starting point is 03:01:50 Nintendo re-ups the trademark for Sandy effects every year. So but Battle Genesis was also trademarked for coin up, point up, point up and arcade game use. Hey, Sega's bringing back House of the Dead, so. Come on, Virtua Fighter, you're a good game. People like you. Battle Genesis is a cool name. Fudo can go back to his true love.
Starting point is 03:02:12 He can. He can return home and get no money for it. They should have like they should have brought it back like three years ago when like fighting games just started to like, you know, Tekken Seven and everything. Castlevania third season confirmed. Yeah, yeah. Easy confirmed. Like how they do this where the show comes out and it's after like two days and they're like, oh, yeah, OK, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:02:38 And this one will be 16 episodes. Yes. Hey, Wully, have you seen the Kirby Pillow? Yes, I have. Thank you. He owns it. It's in his ass. Thanks, guys. Yes, I've seen it. And why would his ass be in it? He puts the whole pillow in his ass. And Ubisoft is working on a child of light adaptation for the movies.
Starting point is 03:03:00 So that's interesting. That can make a cool animated movie. I'm sure it'll be terrible. You're right. Take some quick letters. Hey, we got any corrections that aren't actually corrections this week. We have. We did get we did get corrections. And if you want to send in those corrections that we will debunk,
Starting point is 03:03:17 send them into superbestfriendcast at gmail.com. That's super best friend cast at gmail.com. Oh, God, I'm sure someone will correct us on that. Devil May Cry stage play. Is a thing as well. What was it called? That's a weird name. It's called Mother. Something hacker. Mother, father, the live hacker.
Starting point is 03:03:32 I don't know what the fuck that's about. But anyway, all right. Mother. We got one coming in. And it's called Correction. Oh, yeah. Mother. Hey, guys, sort of a correction. The Parable of Bible Fellowship is still making more comics. They're worth the time, all the best.
Starting point is 03:03:50 Jesse, I don't know. We say that it wasn't. We talked about it. I don't think I'm right. Yeah, but Parable of Bible Fellowship, he will update once in the blue moon, like once every two months. That's fine. They're pretty good. They're not quite as good as the old ones.
Starting point is 03:04:03 And I don't know if that's because they're not or because I'm older. They're super best miserable pile of secrets. Oh, yes. Last week on the podcast, we discussed a Netflix castvania series and mentioned how Grant Denasti was left off the cast. That's his last name. Holy shit. I didn't say that. I know, I know, I know.
Starting point is 03:04:19 It's just it's kind of, yeah. I thought you were making a rap joke. His name is mistranslated from the actual family is based on whatever. Yeah, that's a hell of a mistranslation. This is actually going, goes way back to an animated Castlevania movie that Ellis was writing in the early 2000s that became the Netflix series. There's an article that talked about how he. Where is it?
Starting point is 03:04:47 Yeah, one of the final updates on the game trailers, Castlevania retrospective series back in 2007, mentioned this, the Castlevania Netflix series, where they're like, Warren Ellis is apparently working on this, but we don't know anything beyond that. The TLDR is that Ellis hated the name and he thought pirates were stupid, especially in a landlocked Eastern European setting like so the concept art for the movie is pretty cool, though. But yes, Grant was specifically like sandbagged by Warren Ellis.
Starting point is 03:05:14 OK, we'll see. That's that's neat to know. Yes, the three people who defeated Dracula for Grant. And we got one coming in from somebody that didn't needs to remember to send it to super best friend cast at gmail.com and not any other version or very. So how'd you get it? Because sometimes people are nice.
Starting point is 03:05:35 Oh, wow. And they forward things that don't go to the right place. Wow, you know. Hey, super mega plus woolly blue here. And I was listening to the podcast and noticed that Pat was praising RDR two for the same reasons he was bashing Shenmue the week before. Even down to the extremely slow gameplay that would bounce off that he would bounce off immensely.
Starting point is 03:05:55 Does he just like it because it's new? No, the there are specific issues with Shenmue. My main issue with Shenmue are very different games is not the things take a long time. My main issue with Shenmue is that you go to do something and it has to be at a specific time. And if it's not that specific time, the game tells you to fuck off, go home. Oh, but you can't sleep in Red Dead.
Starting point is 03:06:19 There's nothing locked behind a day or night timer or anything like that. You mean like missions can be done at any time? Yeah. And in worst case scenario, it'll just teleport you to the right time of day. That's true. Got me thinking about games where you like that that play like games you don't. For me, the Digimon series and the SMT persona series, I guess I just like Digimon more as a whole.
Starting point is 03:06:44 But I couldn't. I don't get it. I don't know. I haven't played Digimon games. Also, you can shoot people in Red Dead. You can't fight people in Shenmue pretty much. I mean, you eventually eventually you can get takes a minute. For most of Shenmue, it's a really bad time locked adventure game. Uh, yeah.
Starting point is 03:07:03 So we'll leave it there. People care about Shenmue. What's coming up, Matt? The most successful video game kickstarter in the world. Is it? Yes. Really? Pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Star Citizen. Oh, wait.
Starting point is 03:07:16 Star Citizen didn't do Kickstarter, right? They did. Plus, it's not it's a scam. Well, Shenmue might also be a scam. My idea. Hold on. Hey, Call of Cthulhu continues. It's either that or bloodstained. Call of Cthulhu continues. Call of Cthulhu does continue.
Starting point is 03:07:33 That game's great. That's a pretty interesting so far. But I had some people telling me get ready for it not to get interesting. Yeah, like immediately after we started back up again, it's going to be apparently not interesting. Fun. But that's but that's still like I'm I'm pleased with it. So far, I was kind of worried about the voice acting while it's not perfect and still has a certain chance.
Starting point is 03:07:54 Six point three million is considerable. Yeah, Matt's going to take take me through. Some more of his aesthetic. Some some some, let's say a definitive aesthetic. Joe Mattiverse. And yeah, there'll be another. There'll be another at least two videos. Yes. So. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 03:08:21 That's interesting. Wait, two. It's pretty early for that, isn't it? DMC four will obviously continue with me and Willie. I believe as of where are you guys at in the current date? We're going to be switching off controls in either today or tomorrow as of live feed. Yeah. Yeah. For me to play Dante's section, which will only be a couple of days because boy, that shit flies. All of them seemingly have.
Starting point is 03:08:47 I haven't started the one the LP that we're going to do effort. Not really sure what we're going to do. Just really forgot to do a lot of cool stuff. Oh, well, you did cool stuff. DMC, too. You forgot to do one. OK. Yeah, I went all right. And yeah. So, you know, that that goes on.
Starting point is 03:09:04 Stick around for more Dante action. And then we've got to know Cthulhu. You guys finished it up. Yes, we did. But it's still coming out. But it ends strong. Certainly does. You know, I didn't even catch the fucking fact that Eric Sparrow is just Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk. Yeah, I didn't even catch that.
Starting point is 03:09:29 Did you see the guy that made the list of the actual cost of the World Destruction Tour? No. Someone wrote it out. LP and wrote like an estimated cost for like how much a trashed room in a hotel, an average room would be in Spain. A bull inside of Marguerita's bedroom. The numbers don't match apparently or something. It was a pretty funny little bit more than four million. Yeah, it was one more.
Starting point is 03:09:54 The World Destruction Tour was not a success. Give or take. All right. And what's going on on personal shit? Yeah. Matt, what's up? I took a look at Pandora's Tower, one of the last Wii games ever released. Oh, that's the black box, right? Yeah. In Japan, it's a little in the black box.
Starting point is 03:10:13 The one where you feed your girlfriend pulsating meat of beasts. Hell, yeah, you do. And it had that weird dating sim. No, to Pandora's Tower. Damn. Because it was like a weird Castlevania like game. But then when you meet your girlfriend, you have to shove meat in her mouth to keep her happy and give her gifts.
Starting point is 03:10:30 So it's Castlevania meets a weird dating sim. So you meet her and then you meet her. Bam. Yeah. So yeah, I took a look at that and we remember that will be uploaded later tonight. You're about meat and greets. Here's a meat and meat. That's just meat. Meat all over. Meat squared. There you go.
Starting point is 03:10:45 That should have been the name of that game. Damn it. Pat, let's see. I'll stream at some point during the week, though I'm probably going to be busy for a lot of the middle of the week. So expect something towards the weekend over at twitch.tv slash angriestpat. And I'm going to be streaming tonight over at twitch.tv slash piece alive with Paige, because today is Elmo's birthday.
Starting point is 03:11:05 Elmo is turning 11 years old today and we will have a birthday party stream for our cat over at twitch.tv slash piece alive. How does that 11? That's one more than 10 years. Yeah, how does that approximately 55 to 60 for cat? OK, so he is getting up there, but he is strong and he is very healthy. Good. And he is soft. Good.
Starting point is 03:11:29 That's pretty much it on my end. Doesn't hate black people. No, he doesn't. Good. He likes everybody, to my knowledge. Over on Wally versus Naruto, Toboruto, to Woolzuto. Oh, you stop it. You fucking stop it, you motherfucker. That's awful.
Starting point is 03:11:47 Get ready for create a character in the game that you just trashed. Yeah, hell, yeah. Guess what? First half of the video, make your fucking ninja. But isn't it really basic? Yeah. Good answer. It's coming. Oh, that's. You look really thrilled.
Starting point is 03:12:14 Fucking game. All right. Well, that'll call it. Make sure to check it out at superbestfriendsplay.com and all that. Good job. No, that's not a website. Well, it is a website. We had a portal. It's a portal. It's true. Because someone said, asked me, where can I support you on that website
Starting point is 03:12:31 that you have? I'm like the one which one we have a website. No, no, no. But he's like the one that has all your videos. I'm like, we don't have that anymore. And they're like, what is it? Oh, I meant to support you on there. But I never got around to it. Well, it's dead. You can also go to youtube.com slash best friends play
Starting point is 03:12:46 or the switcher with the one I believe that link still works. Vimeo.com slash S B F P Wow. For our old videos and check out the level clear podcast on Wednesday featuring me as a guest. I will retweet that shit when it happened. She's a man on a car rising up as a chorus. The souls find a voice flickering through the void. He knows she knows she'd be.
Starting point is 03:13:58 She's a man on a car rising up as a chorus. The souls find a voice flickering through the void. The souls find a voice flickering through the void. Colors weave into a spire of flame. Distant sparks call to a path still unnamed. Bear this torch against the cold of the night. Search your soul and reawaken the undying light. As fate spins, a thread will found end.
Starting point is 03:14:49 New life draws its first breath. Blossoming in a soil reclaimed from the past. Where destiny holds fast. Hattakai majiwaru subete no hito tachi. Tachi agari umidachi de asue susumi yuku. Ikeru mono ga kasukana. Throwing water as it calls to unite. Yuu-kyuu no kanata made.
Starting point is 03:15:25 Rising slowly, stirring heat from the core. Toridori no iro tachi ga. Distant sparks call to a path still unnamed. Hateshinaku tsuzuiteku. Die for God, you won't have any hope tonight. Ikeru mono ga kasukana. Ikeru mono ga kasukana. Rising slowly, stirring heat from the core.
Starting point is 03:15:59 Yuu-kyuu no kanata made. Rising slowly, stirring heat from the core. Toridori no iro tachi ga. Distant sparks call to a path still unnamed. Hateshinaku tsuzuiteku. Die for God, you won't have any hope tonight. Tachi agari umidachi de asue susumi yuku.

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