Chambers of the Occult - Episode #18 Unsolved Tragedies and Brick Walls: The Harper Family Murders and Preston Castle Hauntings

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

In this episode of Chambers of the Occult, we explore three stories filled with deception, hauntings, and strange disasters. First, Kai delves into the disturbing case of The Harper Family Murders, also known as the Vincent Brothers Case, which took place in Bakersfield, California. This tragic story involves a shocking crime where a father was convicted of murdering his wife, mother-in-law, and three young children. We’ll uncover the dark details of the case that rattled the community and left a chilling mark on those who followed the trial.Next, J leads us to Preston Castle in Ione, California, where the historic reform school for troubled boys is said to be haunted by restless spirits. J will unravel the grim history of this imposing structure, from mysterious deaths to ghostly encounters, and why it remains one of California’s most notorious haunted locations.Lastly, Alexis lightens the mood with the bizarre yet unforgettable tale of the Balloonfest 1986 in Cleveland, Ohio. What was meant to be a cheerful, world-record-breaking balloon release ended in chaos as 1.5 million balloons caused havoc across the city. Alexis will explore how this festive event spiraled into a surreal disaster with consequences no one could have foreseen.Join us as we uncover the grim, the ghostly, and the downright bizarre in this episode packed with murder, hauntings, and mayhem. You won’t want to miss it!Send us a text

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That's pretty cool. Yeah, almost at 20. This many. That's like a lot. I can't really do math right now, but that's a lot. Yeah. So, we're back with stories. No guess.

Because Alexis has the bonus story. Who are we. Oh, that's right. I am Jay Yeah, I'm I'm drifting alone in this void I'm Kai Okay, and I'm Alexis and this is chambers of your coal We talk Bibbidi Bobbidi women Okay, I Think we should get started. I do.

Because I don't really think there's anything to catch up about. Not really. I don't know. Stretch out a bit. Grab some popcorn. Grab a drinky drink or a snacky snack. I got my water. Yeah, hydrate.

No vodka. Just water. Just add water. H2O We're talking about mermaids now, yeah I'm talking about a true crime case. Yes. Yes starting us. Where are you taking us to that's the truth So Yes, where are you taking us to? That's the truth. So, I'm taking you to a very cool, very hot, very dry place.

Is it, can I guess? Yeah. Death Valley? No, but you're not far off. Oh, okay Actually, it's not really that cool. I kind of lied on that part But anyway, I on On Tuesday July 8th 2003 In Bakersfield, California

2003 in Bakersfield, California. Ah, officers from the Bakersfield Police Department would respond to a frantic 911 call by a woman named Kelsey Spann. She's laying on the bed dead. We're getting right into it. Yes, we are. Kelsey was best friends with a woman named Joni Harper. Kelsey was prompted to check in on Joni and her family in their home because she hadn't heard from them since the previous Sunday, two days before.

And they also hadn't showed up to evening church services that Sunday night, which was very uncharacteristic of the family, but especially of Joni because she was a very devout churchgoer. The officers responded to the call, they reached the home, and they saw something they had never seen before. They'd never had to deal with. On that Tuesday, July 8th, 2003, so that woman, Joni Harper, her two boys, Marques and Marshall, her daughter, Lindsay, and her mother, Ernestine, were found dead inside of their home. Oh, all of them.

Five people, the whole family, yeah. And? The house had been ransacked, left completely a mess, seemingly a robbery that had unfortunately taken a turn for the worse. It was determined that the family was killed sometime after 1 p.m. two days prior on July 6th, so that Sunday. So it was determined that the family, they went to

the morning church services that Sunday morning, they interact with Kelsey, Joni's best friend, they went home and they all had plans to meet up again that night for the evening church services and they didn't end up you know showing and that's when Kelsey did get a bit suspicious so they were determined to have been killed on on that Sunday thankfully Joni's husband Vincent Brothers was in North Carolina all the way across the country he was visiting his mother when all this occurred. Oh no. Yeah, you know the the pain he must have felt was unimaginable when he did learn of what had happened. BPD, Bakersfield Police Department detectives, they flew out to North Carolina that same night of the murders or of the call July 8th.

They flew out to North Carolina to inform him of the murders or of the call July 8th. They flew out to North Carolina to inform him of the murders, what had happened, and according to Jeff Watts, one of the detectives, quote, when I started to speak with him he started to scream. It looked like he was going to vomit. Yeah, I mean, oh, yeah. That's an entire. Oh, that's an entire family. Yeah. Yeah. Your entire family. Your your wife, your three children, your mother-in-law. Like, but why? You know, why did this happen?

Yeah. Place. What motive was there? That's of course going to be the question. And now there really, like, at first just wasn't, it didn't seem to be a reason. Of course investigators dug into the backgrounds of the victims. Joni, the wife, the mother, she was simply just a basketball official, a referee. She was a great mother. She was a devout churchgoer. Her mother, Ernestine, was actually a known civil rights advocate in the Bakersfield and sort of Kern County communities. She worked in a lot of the Bakersfield school systems to help promote that activism.

Now the children, they were too young to really be involved in anything. Marquez, the oldest son, he was four years old. The daughter was- Oh, that's tragic right there. If he was the oldest, that's four. Four, yeah. The daughter, Lindsay, that's tragic right there. If he was the oldest at four. Four, yeah. The daughter, Lindsay, was two. And the other son, Marshall, he was only six weeks old. Oh. All of them, or sorry, Ernestine and the children had been found all shot to death.

It was determined it was with a.22 caliber rifle. But Joanie, the wife, she was determined to have been stabbed to death several times. And after investigation, it proves some of these stabs even continued after she had already passed So this wasn't like a casual break-in there was like motive behind it. No not at all But was it a break-in at all When the Investigators went into the home to find to to look at the scene, of course it

was ransacked, it was disheveled, it was clearly a robbery. Maybe too clearly a robbery, because when they went to look at it, all the cash, cards, any other valuables were all just left in plain sight. Nothing had actually been taken. So they very quickly realized that this was a staged scene. And the murders were, of course, the intent, especially with a brutal stabbing to one of the five victims. That is something of passion. You know, that is something that's calculated, that's intended in a way. Now I mentioned that the husband, Vincent, he was out on a trip.

He was nowhere nearby, but of course he was the husband. They had to interview him, whatever. Yeah, it's always the husband yeah yeah that's what I mean yeah like the first person it's always the husband right so like I get it you have to go investigate but you know he had a pretty good alibi he was on this trip so he was essentially rolled out immediately so they didn't wear So they did more investigation though. The detectives, the investigators, you know, they looked into the background of Ernestine, the, you know, the mother-in-law of Vincent and how she was sort of a community activist. And so she definitely I guess could have not really been in the

greatest terms with lots of the gangs and other like criminal activity yeah okay and so that actually turned into you know earnestly and being incredibly security conscious like she had a gun that she kept on her. She, um, they found out that the home was actually outfitted with a spiked fence. There were burglar bars on the windows and multiple locks on each door. So, so they were prepared, but that also further just proved that it wasn't a robbery because how would somebody have even gotten in with all of these measures? How did the killer even break into the house in the first place? The wounds on them indicate that, and them being in the bed indicated they were killed when

they were asleep. So there really wasn't much noise. There would have been something that was more obvious, I guess. They very quickly determined it was not a crime of, I guess, financial gain in a way. So the detectives, they of course looked even more into the background. They were stumped for a while, but the investigations didn't stop. They eventually started looking into just the relationship between Vincent and his wife Joni in the first place. And that's when they uncovered some things that would actually get this investigation rolling. Secret love affair.

Wait, really? Yeah, so. I'm a psychic. So that was not good. Vincent Brothers, he was widely known as a good man in the Bakersfield community. He was the vice principal of John C. Fremont Elementary School there. He held a master's degree from CSU Bakersfield. His bachelor's was from Norfolk State University. He was a well-educated, good man in the public's eye who really was caring for people.

You could say a pillar of the community. He kind of was in a way, yeah. And that really further helped him not necessarily being a suspect I guess in the first place You mentioned I didn't mean to spoil it I did not know yeah You're good. You're good so Vincent definitely was known to be somewhat of a ladies man, of a player. Charmer.

A charmer. And that definitely messed with his relationship over those years. Now, he and his wife, Joni, they were married, but that wasn't actually the first time they had been married. Ooh. Oh. married but that wasn't actually the first time they had been married. Oh. Yeah, so they actually originally married in 2000 but they had the marriage annulled in 2001 the next year because of his cheating and affair that Vincent was having. Oh damn. Yeah, so there was a lot of animosity between them in a way, but they got remarried in January

of 2003 when they learned that Joni was pregnant with their child. And so that would be Marshall, their youngest, their six-week old that was that was murder as well But you know that wasn't really where it ended I guess Even even before that he had been married before to oh, so it wasn't his first marriage No, it was not his first. He actually married four times in total He was incarcerated for a bit of time for spousal abuse Yeah, yeah, and he actually had a daughter from He had a daughter from his girlfriend or a daughter that he had with his girlfriend while he attended

California State University, Bakersfield for his masters So 1988 is when he was convicted of spousal abuse. He had a six-day sentence in jail Which yeah, that's not a lot he He was convicted of spousal abuse. He had a six-day sentence in jail. Which is very short. Yeah, that's not a lot. That generally feels like a slap on the wrist. It literally does, yeah. Which is insane.

His second marriage was in 1992, but in 1993 a year later his wife sued for divorce because she claimed that he threatened to kill her and was... So this wasn't like a one-time thing with the ex-wife? Nope. Like he had a history of this. In 1996, he sexually harassed a woman who worked at the school where he was the vice principal at. There's actually like the reports and the claim, the reports that she claimed that she visited his home and when she did he hit her but was dissuaded by him to file a police report or a complaint against him because he was quote a

respected community leader. So he was definitely leveraging his position and whatever his position was what was it again a Vice principal, okay elementary school Yeah, so he She didn't file a police complaint, but she did but there was an investigation that happened by the school They cover, you know, yeah, of course and I deny he was never actually disciplined for it But they just told him that it was a bad look pretty much I don't I will never get why you will keep someone like this on payroll No, no way

Except for the fact that it was Bakersfield in the fair. Okay. Yeah, I guess yeah Yeah Okay, yeah, I guess now we know better. So, of course, they're like, we've got some stuff. And they start to investigate more. They actually bring him in for more questioning. They bring him in for more questioning. They bring him in for more questioning, they start to evaluate his actual trip that he took. His original plan was that he was going to fly to Columbus, Ohio for the long like 4th of July weekend that was happening to go visit his brother. But he went to visit a brother that he had not seen in years, I guess. And so that was already one of the

first things that was kind of off. Like, why now? Why was the timing of it? So they had him in trial, they had him lie on the, or they had him speak on the stand, which was discovered that he lied many, many, many times. Got it. So, yeah, so he flew to Columbus and that's where he said he was. While he was being, I guess, tried and interviewed, he tried to further his alibi, actually, by saying that, um, by trying to provide, like, receipts of purchases from stores in, like, the Ohio and North Carolina areas,

but, um, later on it was actually found out that he completely lied about that and it was actually his brother who had made those purchases but had given him those seats. So there was lots of little things that like Vincent lied about on the stand while being questioned. And so they started to shift their focus back to maybe this is was a family annihilation. Maybe this was maybe Vincent is the suspect in all of this.

They did more research into what happened. They actually put together a belief timeline of what to have what had happened. So they he had flown from the Los Angeles airport all the way to Columbus Ohio but what they found out is that he I don't know rent that didn't purchase rented a rental car while he was there. And they believe that he drove all the way from Ohio across the country to Bakersfield,

murdered his family, drove all the way back to Ohio. And he was back in North Carolina visiting his brother and mother when it was discovered. So, yeah, Wednesday, July 2nd was when he flew out. They believe the probably like the third or the fourth is when he drove to Bakersfield. Sunday, the sixth is when he did murder his family. He drove back on the seventh and the eighth is when it was all discovered. They actually prove this because the drive from Ohio area to Bakersfield is roughly

around 2,000 to 2,500 miles. So they actually checked the odometer on the car. They figured out that he had put about 5,400 miles on this car. That's what I was gonna ask if like, it was a theory or if like they found evidence. So they found evidence. They did. It was circumstantial evidence. There was nothing like actually physical evidential about it.

5,400 miles was roughly enough to account for a round trip to and from Bakersfield, as well as another little bit of stopping and driving. But it definitely gave them more suspicion. It definitely gave them more suspicion, yeah. So that was one of the biggest things. Suspicion It definitely gave them more suspicion yeah, so That was one of the biggest things but once again It was all circumstantial evidence and the thing that's gonna like become pretty apparent with this case It's a it's not a long case by the way

But the thing that's pretty apparent about it is that there really is no actual physical evidence that was found for it there really is no actual physical evidence that was found for it. So they needed more, right? The detectives couldn't just go off of the odometer reading and see how many miles. So what they actually did, the Bakersfield detectives, they took the radiator and the air filter off of the car, the rental car, and they sent it to experts and doctors at the University of California Davis entomology department. So the study of insects and bugs. And the lead entomologist, they actually had her pretty much pick apart all of the bugs found on the

radiator, the air filter, and the museum director stated, quote, the insects we found were consistent with two major routes to get to California from the east. So it was determined that the insects found in this car only lived west of the Rocky Mountains and could, and a lot of them really were only found in sort of the Southern California region. So there was no possible way that these bugs could have gotten into the car, staying over in the Ohio, North Carolina area. So that just added on to more of this evidence. Now, there is, I guess, some evidence that was found, but really wasn't used actually in the trials or for the cases. Like I said earlier, the house was really trashed.

It was ransacked. There was laundry dumped everywhere and stuff like that. Part of the laundry that was dumped, there was actually a piece of a latex glove that was found and it did have DNA matches for Vincent's DNA, but of course it was his house, by the way, so it wasn't all too uncommon for his DNA to actually be there. There were witnesses, particularly there was a former student who said that they actually saw Vincent near the family's home during the time that he supposedly wasn't there.

You know, it was over visiting his mother and his brother on the trip. But the defense actually said that that witness was unreliable because in years prior, he had an injury that caused short-term memory loss. Okay. So it was unreliable. Yeah. There's, so all in all actually the jury saw over like a thousand different like exhibits, pieces of evidence, quotes and circumstantial things to help make up their decision. Yeah.

Um, on, on, sorry, when was it? So that was 2003 when this all of hap- when this all happened. And so, um, for a while a while you know at the start he wasn't considered a suspect then he was then for all 2003 they were investigating it but it wasn't until April of 2004 the next year when Vincent was actually arrested and then charged for the murders, the five murders of his family, as well as like a special charge because of the the mass murder. Yeah, okay.

Like a circumstantial charge for the multiple murders. Oh yeah. So it's believed that, you know, he used a 12-22 caliber gun and a, quotes, a stabbing weapon. Did they ever find the weapons Um, I don't believe they did no there's really not too much but No, yeah, there's nothing that I read that they found any of the weapons, but it was you know obvious. Yeah, okay

So spoon, yes, but like the no just That's a lot of rage to use this Yeah Rage room. Rage room? Hell no. You know what? Remind me to not give Alexis a spoon. Never. Never. Never. So, on...

So he was arrested in 2004 for those charges but it was pretty slow the Legal proceedings and the court and everything took a really long time Kern County really fucking I'm dealing with stuff for Kern County. Yeah, like it takes a fucking long time So it wasn't until May May of 2007 Three years later when his trial actually happened. Yo So yeah, so they actually brought they brought in a jury

the jury heard testimonies of 137 different witnesses Detailing you know seeing him in the area or his past Behavior you know other things like that And it was May 15th of 2007 when the jury did convict him of His five first degree murders of his family members May 29th is when The sorry May 15th is when he was fully convicted of that May 29th is

When the jury actually came back the verdict wanting to to punish him to a sentence. Oh, see. Yeah. So he was given a death sentence. Yeah. On May 29th, September 27th, a few months later, the Superior Court judge did agree with that jury's verdict. They did sentence him to death. He was also ordered to pay restitution for all the damages and everything that happened. And he was taken to the San Quentin State Prison where he is still serving out his sentence on death. San Quentin. Whoa. where he is still serving out his sentence on deathbed. Sanquan. Yeah. Whoa.

Now, I can't say I disagree with the verdict, because I don't. I think he's guilty. No, I mean. As fuck, but. Yeah, he does sound like, it does sound like he's guilty. No, I mean as fuck but Yeah, he does sound like it does sound like he's guilty

But all of this evidence is circumstantial like there is literally no hard evidence Yeah, actually committing these murders, which I think is the crazy. I know that's kind of crazy. Yeah, right All of it is tenuous evidence. There's the actual like methodology of him having to drive so far to make this murder work, having to plan that out. Yeah. And then there's the things that kind of contribute to the theory of like the theory of the bugs, the odometer, all those things. But once again, it's not like hard evidence. Exactly. And there are people who not necessarily believe he is innocent, but are like, hmm, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to have given him a death sentence without any real evidence type of thing.

And so, I did a little more looking into it and I found some like Reddit posts of people sort of getting into it a bit more. And a really great question somebody asked was, was there any CCTV footage of him getting gas? Oh, he had to drive so far. There was none. That's a big trip. There was none. There's no actual evidence. Yeah, because they also feel like that's a huge undertaking just trying to get CCTV from like multiple gas stations through multiple states and then I think it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack Yeah, it really is and

like one of the things that I was reading up about is just the actually like insane amount of I guess stamina it would take to drive that distance as well. Like sure he could have carried gas with him, He wouldn't have needed to stop whatever however, I'm birding sleep however it was about so so the timeline is He left either on like Maybe like the night of July 3rd or July 4th during the day July 6 is probably when he got there. Or that's when the murders happened at least. So that is like barely two days.

The drive from Ohio to Bakersfield nonstop is roughly 32 hours. So he would have had to drive nonstop. which means at some point, I assume at some point he would have an average no like sword like swerving or something in order to comfortably because that's crazy. Exactly like, yeah, like sure he could have had a decent amount of time, but that's still like a huge undertaking to actually go. And people are saying, you know, well, he could have been on drugs or something. That's what I thought.

I was like, he might have struggled getting there, but maybe on the drive back He was just full of that adrenaline because he just killed it and his entire family could also keep you very much awake and alert but ah So there was like no other suspects it was just like they focused on him exactly Yeah Damn It was just like they focused on him. Exactly. Yeah. Damn. No. They focused on him. He was pretty much the only suspect in this entire investigation.

Yeah, dude, that's crazy. Some people even say that there's like no motive, but I 1000% disagree and I think all of the investigators disagree as well. It seems, you know, Vincent was pretty much just ready for a new life. And that's how it is with most family annihilators. You know, they're ready to start over. They, they, they hate their wife or they hate their spouse. Yeah.

And they want to start over new, but also if there's children involved, that means that there's, you know, they'd have to pay child support. Yeah, especially if they want like a full fresh start with like nothing holding them back. Killing the children is not necessarily something they want to do but something they have to do in a way and you know Exactly not yeah Yeah, and not denying that but yes. Also, I think what helps to prove that is that everyone Was killed was was shot to death except for was there like Any records of like that they had like a big fight before he went to see his brother or anything like that

Lots of targeted anger that is so much hatred Um I'm not Too sure I know that they were sort of getting- Okay, so I think that would maybe contribute to it, just like not wanting to pay child support for three kids. They were sort of preparing to divorce once again, is what I believe I've read. Once again, it's not like hard evidence, but like, ahhh. 100%. Like he was done with it all and he wanted to move on

Exactly Yeah, there was So Joni his wife was stabbed a lot But actually his children were covered up with pillowcases when they were found inside of the home. And typically that suggests remorse or guilt. And they actually, when the investigators were going through the crime scene It actually took them hours to find the the youngest son Because of just how hidden he was under one of those pillowcases like it they didn't find his body until they finally were able to remove that

So the the guilt for the children mixed with the rage for the wife. Once again, it's all circumstantial evidence, but it all just contributed to to Vincent being arrested and charged and currently in prison. And so this case is pretty much, you know, received as the... the worst case of crime, the worst murder, the most infamous case in Bakersfield history. And it still is in investigators. Everything of Ali left in the house,

which kind of like just rules out that it could just be like a break-in. So, yeah. I don't know. I find family analyzers fascinating. So thank you for covering this one though. I Yeah, of course, um I Uh-huh was I was looking for cases and like I stumbled upon this one. I was like, oh my god like how have I not covered like I haven't heard about this in so long and I was doing research into it and I

Remembered really when I was reading about like how they did the testing of the bugs in the car. Like on the news, like the radio. It like unlocked a memory as a kid for me and I was like, holy shit, like I remember like hearing about this as a kid. Like this is something that I was, yeah. Yeah. I am still amazed by technology and all different like fields of research that in this case Like came together of like let's study the bugs Mm-hmm

No, seriously was gonna say yeah, it's that's so, it's so cool. Got an entomologist. Yeah. Like they actually sent that in and yeah, I don't know. Pretty cool. I mean, I wish she didn't have the reason to do so. Yeah. That's like the name that people know the case by. Yeah, that is the story of Vincent Brothers and the Harper family murders

Thank you, okay Yeah, the Harper family murders I know yeah, typically most people recognize like Vincent first the murderer However, I never to to like doing that. I'm gonna take some water. Yeah, for sure. And we will move on to my case. Which I would say that I hope it's like refreshing,

but I don't know how refreshing it's gonna be. Thank you very much. And I'll let you decide. Yes, we will. Yeah. Now for my case, my paranormal case, we're going to stay in California. I'm here for. Cool. But we're actually going to go up north.

And I know that like the three of us are quite familiar with California's historical landmark 868, which is the Winchester. Okay but What do y'all know about California historical landmark number? 867 oh, yeah Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay, so that's what we're gonna be talking about. California's historical landmark number 867 is Preston Castle.

Yeah. Yeah. And I know that I've like casually brought like Preston Castle up like in the past when like we we've hung out but now I get to cover it. Oh really? Oh wow. So Preston Castle was officially known as the Preston School of Industry and it's located in Ione, California in Amador County and originally the school was proposed and ultimately named after the state senator at the time which was Edward Myers Preston So that's where the name comes from

And it was just a cornerstone laid in December 1990 December 1890 And it officially opened in June 1894. So I'm gonna give you a little bit of a history lesson of what this building was, is, and the hauntings in it. And when it was open in June of 1894, there was seven wards that were transferred from, funnily enough, San Quentin State Prison.

Yeah. Now, when I say that there were the wards, I don't mean that there were just Cuban elephanters, there were miners. that they were the like awards. I don't mean that they were just like juvenile offenders. They were minors. During this time, the state would take guardianship for a variety of reasons. They could have been troublemakers. They were like perhaps in a bad household, homeless. There is a variety of reasons why the state would take guardianship of the kids. So let's just keep that in mind. like 1890s, different reason for people to be in here. Now the construction started in 1890.

It was designed to be a Romanesque revival architecture style. And now it's known as Preston Castle. It's one of the most significant examples of this style in the mother lode region. Which is what makes the place so iconic. Because technically I own California, it's just a small little town. And we'll get more into the town later, but the main source of like business is tourism because of the castle. Now when it opened up, it just aimed to reform young male offenders by teaching them trades and giving them a chance to rehabilitate themselves. And it's to be considered one of the oldest and best known reform schools in the United

States. Now, it did open up on July 1st of 1894. The school officially opened the doors, but history isn't always about the reform and rehabilitation because right from the start, whispers and rumors of like mistreatment and tragic deaths started to surface. So there is a little bit of true crime. I'm gonna try to do as minimum of that because Kai already covered that. But it's related to the hauntings. That's why I'm like, let me tell you why this is, yeah. That's why I'm like, let me tell you why this is. Yeah.

Um, so the first record of someone dying in Preston school was in 1894, just one year after the opening. Um, and the name of the kid was, um, Adolf Andron. Adolf Andron. Um, he was just a young kid and he died of pulmonary edema, which for his age was suspicious. It was rare for someone at his age to have this condition. But that was a first death.

And there was a dual, what do you call it? Like narrative, like a dual personality of like the castle, the location, the school. Because while it did aim to rehabilitate those boys with vocational training, like they taught them to farm, shoemake, tailoring, carpentry, there was of course dark stories of abuse and neglect, especially in the early 1920s and 1930s. Yeah. There was lots of reports of beatings and like harsh punishments at the hands of the staff. And in 1907 there would be a shift because that's when California officially decided that the juvenile offenders should be sent to reform to schools like Preston

rather than other prisons like St. Quentin so this is when they were starting to have like a larger intake of kids come into the school. Now they did struggle with its dual legacy of like the reform and the abuse. So of course, they're like, there's more kids coming. Is that good or bad? Yeah. And then during, yeah, so during this period in the 1900s, the director that was in charge was C.P. Riddick. By now. The school became known as a pioneer in reform efforts because, like I said, people had mixed

feelings about it. There was both sides. And it's a huge building. This might sound familiar, just different numbers, but it has more than 46,000 square feet. That includes 200 windows, 77 rooms, over 40 fireplaces, 17 bathrooms, 10 chimneys, and 5 floors. It's a huge building. And they have expansive grounds as well. Oh my god.

That's so close. Now during the 1980s, something would hit Preston Castle. Very similar to, I mean, the global Spanish flu became a pandemic. It struck Preston Castle and nearly half of the staff and a third of the boys became ill. Yeah. But officially, there was no deaths that were recorded from the Spanish flu. Even though it's still kind of hard to believe considering like the unsanitary conditions that the boys were living in. But there was no records of any of the kids dying from the Spanish flu.

Now there was a few infamous inmates that stayed in Preston Castle. And I'll just give you a little rundown of who they were and why they were put there. One of them was Carol Chessman, who was later known as their Red Lightning Bandit. The Red Light Bandit. And he was sent there in 1937, and he made multiple escape attempts during his time there, which would just foreshadow his infamous criminal career. That's all I'll say. We can cover him later.

Someone else that stayed there would be in 1954, country music legend, Merle Haggard, also found himself at Preston after stealing a car. You were gonna say blank Shelton. No. What? Just kidding. Just like Chessman, Haggard tried to escape twice.

While he later turned his life around, this time at Preston left a lasting impression in him. So those are some of the infamous figures that stayed in the castle. Okay. But unfortunately, this castle was shut down, this institute to reform kids. By the 1960s, the Preston School of Industry closed its doors, leaving the original castle structure abandoned, and the state planned to demolish it. But it would be from 1960 to 1968 that a group of local women fought to keep it standing.

Oh, okay. So they were able to succeed. Yeah. But the state only agreed to not tear it down. They left it to decay. Yeah. So it was kind of like a sweet, bittersweet victory. Yeah. Now it would be. In 1999, the name was, the name of the newer facility was changed to Preston Youth Correctional Facility. However, the original castle remained vacant and it continued to fall into disrepair until

the Preston Castle Foundation leased it from the state in 2001. So, from 1960 to 2001, it just remained vacant. 40 years of the castle just being empty and just falling into disrepair. Yeah. That is crazy. Like, I know that like there was the women that fought for it, but it's like after fun and to disrepair. Yeah. That is crazy. I like, I know that like there was the women that fought for it, but it's like after like that long, why are you just letting it sit? Like, just tear it down. I think it was just them having trouble getting the lease from the state.

I see. Yeah. But like why didn't the state like, why'd the state just let it sit? I don't know the u.s. It's strange when it comes to historical landmarks and buildings But in 2011 just 10 years after they got that lease The Preston Castle Foundation was able to secure a 50 year lease From yeah, so that's when they began restoration efforts the Castle Foundation was able to secure a 50-year lease. Wow. Yeah, so that's when they began restoration efforts. And people were finally able to visit the castle.

Today, the Foundation's mission is to preserve, rehabilitate, and utilize the castle as a historical site. The Foundation was granted ownership of the castle the foundation was granted ownership of the castle in 2014 and also 12.91 acres of land as well. So that just ensured that the history of the school, its staff, and the boys who lived there would not be forgotten. Now, just like all of us, in 2020, the pandemic also affected Preston Castle. Of course. Because the entire town of Ione suffered because the only reason Ione existed was because the castle and the community that was there to save it from the demolition in the 1960s.

During the pandemic, they lost 90% of their income. Like, not the castle, the town, it was just horrible. The pizza parlor, coffee shop, hotel, other business remained open during the pandemic, but the state guidelines during this time just required that museums like Preston Castle to remain closed. just required that museums like Preston Castle to remain closed. So even though it was there, no one was going to Iowne. The fundraiser stops, renovation stopped, and there was quite a few break-ins that started to happen as well. Okay, so people were breaking into the Preston Castle. Yeah. That's crazy. Pandemic is happening, you have nothing better to do, let's go break into a castle. Yeah, fuck yeah.

Right away. Now, Preston Castle made its way, of course, into the pop culture and like popular culture throughout the years. It was used for a couple of things. It was used for the bleeding heart orphanage in the 1984 comedy film Bad Manners. Have I watched it? No. And the 2014 movie film, A Haunted in Preston Castle,

was set there as well. Have I seen it? No. -♪ LAUGHTER AROUND THE STREETS OF THE CASTLE- But even more recently, in 2019, the movie Apparition was also filmed at the castle. Have I seen it? No. -♪ LAUGHTER AROUND THE STREETS OF THE CASTLE- No. But there's also TV shows like Ghost Adventures and Ghost Hunters who've also like

like conducted their investigations in the castle. And of course the building is like known for its paranormal reports and it's featured in several episodes across different like paranormal investigation shows including the low files. Have I seen it? No. including the low files. Have I seen it? No. No. Now, this is where we get more into the paranormal aspect, the haunted reputation and the paranormal activity. Now, it is notorious for being one of the most haunted locations in California.

Okay. So the paranormal investigators flock to the castle all the time. They're drawn by reports of ghost encounters, strange noises, eerie apparitions. So let's take you through some of those common claims. Now, the first one is named Anna Corbin. Because Anna Corbin was a housekeeper in the school in the 1950s, but she was found murdered. Oh. She was bludgeoned to-

At the castle? Yes. She was a housekeeper in there. She was bludgeoned to death inside of the castle. Her killer was never officially caught, although one boy at the school was charged and later acquitted. So many people still believe

that her spirit lingers in the castle. Visitors often report hearing footsteps, disembodied voices, and even seeing the apparition of a woman dressed in old-fashioned clothing, and they believe it to be Anna. Okay. Now, there's also infirmary ghosts. That's just another hot spot for paranormal activity, the infirmary. So that's just where numerous boys were treated for illnesses.

And of course, in in many cases they died. So people report hearing the sound of coughing, whispers, and even seeing ghostly forms of young boys walking the halls. Oh my god. So some investigators here in the infirmary have captured what they believe to be EVPs, which is electronic voice phenomena phenomena of children speaking or asking for help. Oh, I would love to hear that.

Yeah. That'd be so cool. And of course, it's a big castle. There's five floors. There's also a basement. And the basement is just a place of shadows. It's of course notorious for its, like many basements, oppressive dark energy. Don't know if that's how I would describe most basements or not, but visitors often describe feeling a

feeling of dread as if someone's watching them. Shadow figures have been reported lurking in the corners down there. And several investigators have claimed to be touched or pushed by unseen forces while they're down there. Pushed? Yeah. That's cool. Full on pushed. Not like a tap on your shoulder, just like pushed.

Like an actual push. I've never heard that before but that's cool um actually yeah there's also poltergeist activity some paranormal investigators have documented poltergeist activity at the castle uh with like objects moving on their own door slamming shut chairs being dragged um and of course items flying across the room being dragged, and of course items flying across the room. Now these reports are more frequent than we might think, especially like in the old dormitories where like the boys once lived. And investigators have even claimed that the objects will move in response to questions,

almost as if the spirits are trying to communicate So rather than like the flashlight method like they might move something in the room Like that's cool. I want to see that like I yeah Let me get more into it There's also records of full-body apparitions So like yeah like of full body apparitions. So, yeah, like full body apparitions. Like, one of the most chilling accounts involves full body apparitions. Several people have reported seeing figures that appear to be completely solid, only to vanish moments later.

Now, these ghosts are often described to be wearing old-fashioned clothing, matching the time period when the castle was still operational. And one of the most famous sightings is of a boy who's often seen near the third floor dormitory. And his presence it's often linked to one of the many escape attempts that ended in tragedy So Yeah, he probably tried to like escape from the third floor and it probably didn't go well. Yeah. Yeah now Preston Castle today. It's just a hub for paranormal investigators. It's a prime destination for many people and many like paranormal enthusiasts.

The Preston Castle Foundation even offers overnight investigations. We gotta go. We gotta go. So, the groups can spend the night exploring the dark haunted corners of the castle. Visitors are allowed to bring all sorts of equipment, EMF meters, thermal cameras, CVP recorders, just anything in hopes of capturing like paranormal evidence. Of course, they do tell them that they do not allow Ouija boards and they do not allow fires as well. So bring everything but leave those two at home or leave them in your car.

Got it. Yeah, so I think we should bring them in. Bring what in? Yeah. The Ouija board and the fire or just everything else? No, I... You take the Ouija board. Yeah. The Ouija board and the fire or just everything else? You take the Ouija board. Yeah.

Y'all can do that. But yeah, we can bring that in. We can bring a bunch of stuff in. You gotta bring in Boo Buddy. Yeah. Definitely. Obelisk, all those things. Now, I'm just going to go over a couple of the people that died in the castle, because

I already mentioned Adolf and Anna. But there's also Grant Walker. Grant Walker was another early death. He died of typhoid fever. Like many boys who lived at the Preston, he was just subjected to poor living conditions. So most likely could have been prevented, but of course it wasn't. Another person that passed away was Frank Ward in the 1900s. Frank was just 14 years old when he died at the Preston Castle. And his cause of the death was listed as paralytic dementia, also known as general paralysis of the insane. So this is technically a very, an extreme and unusual condition for someone so young.

So of course, it leads to speculation of what might have caused it. Perhaps untreated syphilis or severe trauma. The details just remain unclear, but he has another recorded death in the castle. Okay. Now, there's of course claims of death and abuse from violence, but there's no records of that. There's just like the medical deaths that were like reported. Eugene Monroe, he was someone that,

he was a ward at Preston Castle who was suspected for murder, but he's the one that got acquitted from the crime of Anna Corbin. And of course people say that there's like undocumented deaths. Of course. But the grounds, like I said, there's a lot of acres there. There is a cemetery on the grounds Okay. Yeah, and the cemetery has 18 documented graves. Oh

Okay, so of course that's gonna contribute to like, you know, yeah of the The the spirits and things that are supposedly see of course. Yeah Last I've heard People are not allowed to visit them like they're on the grounds, but like they're just not accessible to visitors Don't know if that's still the case or not But of course, there's also rumors that more boys died in the school. So like there's not a grave for all the boys Of course, they're just rumors Now if you want to visit Preston Castle, we are

able to. They do historical tours. They do daytime historical tours where visitors explore the architecture, learn about the history of the school, and they get to hear about the lives of the boys that were wards of the state. So you can expect that these tours are primarily going to focus on the Preston School of Industry, the founding from 1894 to its closure in the 1960s. The tour guides will take you through the castle. They'll explain the use of different rooms, the significance as a reformed school, and the architectural details of the building. as a reformed school and the architectural details of the building. Okay. Now, visitors will get to see the dormitories and the administration rooms, as well as the

kitchen and the infirmary, as well as a couple more. Not many areas are open because, like I said, the castle was closed for 60 years. It was deteriorating. Yeah. It also, during the pandemic years it was deteriorating it also during the pandemic it was deteriorating even more yeah um of course if you want paranormal things don't go for the day tours because they focus more on history than the paranormal aspect but they do offer paranormal tours and also they offer paranormal investigations. So they have public paranormal tours and they take place at night, obviously. They combine a little brief history of the castle,

but they mostly focus on the reported paranormal activity. Visitors are guided through the most haunted areas, which include the infirmary, the basement, and the location where Anna Corbin was murdered. So this is when visitors, like I said, are encouraged to bring their own equipment. But they also offer private paranormal investigations. And it's just private booking on their website. You just have to reach out to them. And they give access to exclusive areas of the building. What they are, the third floor dormitories, basement infirmary, as well as a couple more that are not the usual ones that people are given access to.

Once again, no Ouija board or fire. But even though there's five floors, like the top ones are not like restored and they're not safe. So even though they're there, they're not open for investigation search of the public. That makes sense. Give it a couple more years, 10, 20, um, they might open them up again. Um, but, um, Preston Castle also hosts seasonal events. Especially around, that's just around the corner, Halloween. Halloween.

Yeah, they offer a full haunted house experience. Sick. And it's themed for paranormal nights, yeah. So, this events are designed to raise funds as donations for the ongoing preservation of the castle. Now, would you all like to know a little bit about this year's haunt? Yes. So if I'm correct, this will be their 13th year hosting a haunt.

Nice. Coincidence? Coincidence? And it's themed 1920s traveling circus. Oh my God! Coincidence? And it's themed, uh, 1920s Traveling Circus. Oh my god! Coincidence? Um, so they turn the whole thing into like an immersive experience for thrill-sickers. That's really cool. It's really just the biggest fundraiser that they have each year.

So, yeah, so from their website it says, step into the sinister world of the 1920s, haunting traveler in circus, where a malevolent ringmaster recruits from, recruits from the haunted halls of Preston School of Industry as shadows deepen, whispers of residents among the boys echo against the ringmaster's dark ambitions. Will they define his sinister allure or become haunted specters in his macabre parade?

The dates are from October, well they're October 11th, 12th, 18th, 19th, 25th, and 26th. So that's their biggest fundraiser. It's just a few hours. Something that I really like from their website is that they actually post recent success with like restorations and things like that. So they started with like that they acquired the deed of ownership from the state. They also mentioned that they installed electrical service independent from the surrounding state property. They installed water and sewer services separate from the surrounding state property. They rebuilt the center section of the castle's fourth floor and it also helped stabilize the walls.

They got a new roof on the castle, colonial, and the visitor center as well. They landscaped the grounds. They installed new fire hydrants with water systems in the front of the castle. They greatly expanded castle tours. They passed a brick shear test that proved that the castle's outside brick walls were structurally sound. That's cool. I know.

As I was reading through this, I'm like, this is a lot of like, I'm like, I'm into this, yes. Completed strategic plan. They began working with outside expertise, including Mike Garavilla who's a historian, a historian preservation architect and structural engineer to guide restoration activities. They installed improved gutters and

down sprouts. And they also completed core historic structures report, created vintage farm museum, they retrieved original Pelton wheel electrical generator, they showcased vintage printing equipment, hosted successful well-attended events, redesigned the website to include online donations and ticket purchases, and they installed outdoor lighting and replica street lights. That's really cool. So I love how they're just here for like the restoration, the history.

Let's share that with everyone. And that is Preston Castle in Ione, California. Wow, thank you, Jay. So I'm just saying we need to go up there soon. Yeah, you should have like told that but in a southern accent. Are you gonna tell your sir with a southern accent? No, I'm not gonna do that. I can't do that.

Not with that attitude. But I do have a question for you guys. Do I like bacon? No, no, no. Okay, here's my question. So have you guys ever witnessed a world record attempt or wanted to do one yourself? Like a Guinness World Record? No, really.

I don't think I've ever seen someone attempt one or wanted to do one. I mean, I've seen YouTube videos of people attempting. Yeah, I've seen YouTube videos, but not like in person. You guys have never wanted to attempt one yourself? What would I attempt? Yeah, what? I'm like, yeah, like what would I attempt? What? I'm like, yeah, like, what would I attempt?

I used to watch this show. It's a Disney show called Kicking It. And they have an episode where the main character breaks a world Guinness record for breaking a certain amount of cylinder blocks or yeah, cement blocks, cement blocks. And I don't know why, but like, I thought maybe I could do that one day when I, when I originally watched that episode, I was probably like nine. Oh, good luck with that. Still going at it, you know? But anyways. So, in Cleveland, Ohio, 1986, there was an organization by the name of United Way.

Okay. And... Like the airline? No. But they had prepared a charity event and they had a goal, a really brave goal. It was to set a Guinness World Record for releasing the most balloons simultaneously. They had planned to do it with 1.5 million balloons. Now as cool as that sounds, rest in peace our environment, bro. I've heard of this. It did not end up being that cool.

So, tell us what happened, Alexis. Yes, I shall. That's what I'm here for. Okay. So, the idea was really cool at first, you know, a lot of people thought it would be really cool to witness really simple to they originally planned to fill up and release 2 million balloons. But instead they were like, no, let's stick with the 1.5. And they envisioned, you know,

like a sea of colorful balloons coming down, like a cute little moment that would make headlines on famous newspapers. And it would draw attention towards the community and the charity and their cause, you know, not gonna lie It did end up in newspapers Yeah, it did just not in the way that they envisioned So the entire balloon fest is what it was known as balloon fest 86 was coordinated by a Los Angeles based company And the head of the company was Treb Haining Fest 86 was coordinated by a Los Angeles based company.

And the head of the company was Treb Haining. They spent a total of six months for preparation of the event and they plan to release them from the terminal tower onto the Southwest quadrant of Cleveland's public square. The day had finally come where all their hard work, all that preparation that they put, it was finally going to pay off. It was Saturday, September 27th, 1986, and it was about 1.50 p.m. when a crowd of over 10,000 people gathered in downtown Cleveland just so they could witness this event. Okay. There were, yeah, there were about like 2500 volunteers mainly consisting of high school students, inside the building. And they were filling up the balloons with helium, which I feel like is important

because goddamn, they would be out of breath if they had to do that with just their mouths. And another important thing, but the volunteers, they had worked very long. They were extremely tired of course, but still excitement was in the air. They had begun their countdown, building up the anticipation, anticipation, oops, and then they finally released them. 1.5 million balloons had been launched into the sky, and that sea of colorful balloons came floating. Now the United Way, and as well as that Los Angeles based company, they had prepared and

planned for those six months for pretty much everything that they had thought of, except for the weather. There was a cold front that day, there was a rainstorm coming. So when all those balloons were released and the temperature dropped, it caused the balloons to start floating down, descending descending instead of floating away. Yeah. So what started as beautiful balloons going up into the sky, ended up creating a really big disaster once they met the ground. Yeah. Suddenly thousands of balloons were coming down, clogging up the traffic, causing all kinds of accidents

and even getting tangled in power lines. Now, then the balloons eventually ended up in the local airport. This of course caused a lot of delays, disruptions, and it distracted those who were also already in the air. The balloons even made their way to Lake Erie, causing water pollution, and as a result, there were many volunteers, locals, residents, and city workers helping clean up the mess within the city of Cleveland, as well as Lake Erie. So again, what was meant to be a celebratory kind of like charity event just turned into a literal nightmare. Yeah, for everyone.

It's devastating, it's a disaster. But. Could you imagine being like in a building at that time and you just like get swallowed up by balloons? Like, what would you do? Genuinely, what would you guys do if you were in that situation? Move away from the windows. Cry.

You just see him crying in the corner From the window I get my sword There's too many of them Too many of what balloons They're everywhere Balloons! They're everywhere. Anyway, go on. That's literally what I'm saying, guys. This is scary.

But anyways, here was, I'll say all jokes aside, Raymond Broderick and Bernard Sololtzer, they were two fishermen. And on September 26, they decided to go out, you know, out in the sea. Yeah. But on the day of the event, their families had reported them both missing. Oh, hell no. There was a Coast Guard search and rescue and even helicopter rescue crew that was ordered after rescuers discovered the fishermen's boat anchored west of the Edgewater Park break wall. But there were a lot of search and rescue boats in the lake. Yet due to the amount of balloons that there were,

it was difficult to see if anybody was in the water. So the Coast Guard, they decided to suspend the search on September 29th. And then the fishermen's bodies washed up on the shore. The wife of one of the fishermen decided to sue United Way of Cleveland, as well as the company that coordinated the event for $3.2 million. The lawsuit was settled on undisclosed terms,

so don't know who won, whatever, and how much. It was settled. Well, yeah, it settled. Yeah, so they got something out of it. Yeah, they got something. But I just don't know how much. Yeah. However, the Search and Rescue Program Manager for Coast Guard District 9 Roger Rice, Roger Rice,

I think that's a sick name, anyways, had stated in an interview he did this year, 2024, that Balloon Fest did not have anything to do with the unfortunate deaths of both these men. Oh, is there an explanation? No, that is literally all that he states, sir. OK, sir. No, dude, what? I could say the same thing about everything. Yeah, we a minute.

I think they were also just trying to cover up everything. Like, you know, oh, they covered it up with balloons. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this was kind of like a once in a lifetime opportunity for the media to, you know. Yeah. So this was kind of like a once in a lifetime opportunity for the media to, you know, this is a pretty crazy event. So they made headlines like, quote, the great balloon disaster and Cleveland's colorful

calamity, which I think are great. The event was known as world record quote largest ever mass balloon release, end quote, in the 1988 edition of the Guinness Book of World Records with a count of 1,429,643 balloons released. And I assume that they no longer try to break this record? I hope to God not. I think so. They did end up getting the record though.

Okay. Yeah. There was also a short documentary film made called Balloon Fest in 2017. But this was a really short case. But I really wanted to share it with you guys because balloons. You're good. But yeah, that was the Balloon Fest. I think there's videos out there as well, right?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. There is. It's actually, hold on. I'm going to send a few pictures for you guys to actually. Okay. Because it's actually insane. It looks kind of, it looks really scary.

I don't know. It looks fine until you see them come down or like wrap around a building and then This was not a good little fun thing and then it's like, oh no, it's not Yeah, so the weather was no cooperate that day No, but I mean like like like even if the weather was fine who Like, even if the weather was fine, who thought it would be a good idea to release 1.5 million balloons into the air? The Guinness World Record book? No, whoever, yeah, no.

United Airways. United Airways. Like, you know how bad it can fuck up our atmosphere? Wait, for like, look at that. What, dude? It did. Crazy. Water pollution, everything, brother.

Oh my gosh. Dude, it did. Crazy. Water pollution, everything, brother. Oh my gosh. I love how we just kind of moved on from the two guys dying. And we're more so like haha balloons. That's what I'm saying. Dumb. Two people died because they, I mean, I don't know if it,

I don't even know if the balloons was necessarily the cause of their death. But it was It was like correlation and all that stuff It was the reason why I was so far too hard to find their bodies Yeah, yeah it contributed to it was it the main reason No, I don't think so. All right not sure you know I guess we'll never know Not in this reality we'll never know

Right, dude, that's a lot of balloons. Yeah, I know that I don't know I I I will never release a balloon into the air ever again Yes, yeah I don't know if I ever previously have, but yes. Yeah, yeah. When was this again? 1986, September 27th. So like they didn't care about like the environment back then. Not really.

There was a few people that probably like said something and they're like, ah, you're crazy. No, please, don't do that. Think of the birds. Oh my God. How did they even like hey, I'd like to order I'd like to get some balloons. Oh, you're blue. How many do you need all of them? And then can you also order more yeah and also order more we need about a one

1.5 million the fact that they originally wanted to do 2 million is crazy. It's insane Like like like where do you think all that plastic and shit is gonna go after those balloons pop? Like, there's just, there's like hundreds of pounds of balloon waste. I generally don't think that they had a plan for a cleanup. Did they have a plan for a cleanup? No, I doubt they did. They did have a cleanup.

Okay. Oh, okay. But still, I'm just like, can you at least tie them all to like string so you can like pull them back down? Oh yeah. We're gonna release the balloons and then bring them back down. Anyway.

But they decided not to do that. It was like, but without the house. Anyways, thank you for listening. Yeah. So we'll wrap it up with that. Yeah, we will. No balloons at my party. No balloons, no fun.

Make sure they don't go bye bye. Fair. Yeah. No fun make sure they don't go bye-bye Yeah Technically already have a little no no sometimes they don't Just straight up I'm just being no ribbon you're being I thought this was gonna Anyways, thank you. You guys Thanks guys. Thanks for tuning in. Yeah, a bit of a shorter episode today, but

That's okay Yeah How many spent another half hour just talking but we're just gonna do you wanna hear hear that though, so Well We'll sign off you want to hear if you want to hear more of us talking We've got a bunch of other episodes to listen to, so like you can definitely do that too. Yeah, and if you want a specific episode, I mean a specific story, let us know. Yeah. Oh, and let us know if you try to untamed any world record.

Oh yeah, or like if you'd want to, like what's the time that you think you could break a world record oh yeah or like yeah you'd want to like what like what oh yeah but you think you could break a world record yeah yeah and if we should break a world record most people on a podcast at one time I don't know how would we do Most um... Most murders at once. Most what? Ever. Don't worry about it. Um... cut that out. Cut that out.

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