Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 263 - Imminent

Episode Date: September 1, 2024

Mike, Jesse and Santell discuss the recently released book by Lue Elizondo "Immminent"! Jesse, Alex and Mike finish up the UFO Gulf Breeze Sightings with a few suspicions about Ed… MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - GhostBed - http://www.ghostbed.com/chill All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com

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Alex is a busy man, he was recently married. So instead, a Mr. Michael Santel. We married him off, we got rid of him. We did it. We married him off? Well, Santel was more involved, was much more involved at least than I was. I saw him run up there and put a name tag on,

it was very funny. I did, I did unwanted bits during the wedding that were then quickly shooed away by people. I must stress, so many bits. I was not expecting as many bits at a wedding as this wedding had all the comedy chops of a LA based improv group. To be honest, the average LA based improv group? I would say the average LA based improv group or the average LA. But yeah, fair enough.

You know, I wouldn't know what to compare it to. So I'm going to let you know, I thought the bits ran out a bit of a I'm going to let you know that we could have definitely done double that amount of bits. But I'm aware I saw the bits were going to people wondering the wedding was great. So many bits, so many bits. The kids are doing bits. Yeah, beautiful. And all those bits are made possible because of you over at patreon.com slash jilluminaughtee pod were you that's true

I don't think that's I think so well he helps that they help pay Alex's wedding bills So absolutely you know that was it that was that was them doing and over there You can get video mini sodes video main episodes ad free mini so it's rotten popcorn and art and, uh, pre sales on tickets. And we do those all kinds of good shit. So go check it out. I am no shill like Alex. So I'll leave it there. Gentlemen, I'm excited for today's episode. Uh, cause last time we had Santel on, it was all gas, no breaks. There was no Jesse here. It was Alex. Alex was just like, I tried, baby. I tried to do a Patreon react and I got 30 minutes in before I had to get, I had to, I was like, I'll do more later. And I just have

never gone back because I'm gonna let you know it was too much. I am here to contain the wild beast that is the two of you, the two headed monster you create. I'm so excited for you to shoot down all of our theories with science and fact-based What we're doing today, I was it's a book I'm happening a book in the UFO world things have been moving along quite rapidly The election is certainly like I think muted a lot of what's actually happening in the back end But still things are moving. I mean one of the big things that I mean timeout real quick Is there a US election we're talking about?

That's what we're talking about. I don't know if you do. It was not not happening right now. Are we doing that again? We're doing it again, guys. It never ends, dude. Just never ends. No, I was curious if there's like in the community,

is there thoughts on like, man, it's tied down ever since the election. It feels weird that we're not talking about anymore. Are they trying to cover something up? Like, what's going on? Is this all lying? Are we trying to cover anything up? Are we? Are we?

Is this the lie? It really is. What it is in reality, yes, that's true. I think that is the chatter online a lot, but in reality, the UAP thing operates like the government speed, and when they all take a break for four months or whatever, nothing's gonna happen because everything's on pause. Like they were, they took a break

for like, what a month or two recently. And then the elections, everybody's running free election stuff. So everybody that can do these things. Do yourself a favor kids, um, pause the podcast, go, I'm sure you're on your phone right now. Pause it. Go just Google congressional schedule. Dude. Yeah. If you want to talk about conspiracies, they actually work a year because that is the highest conspiracy. I'm like, you barely there. What are you doing? Yeah. So that's exactly it. And as the elections happening, yeah, everybody who was like setting up meetings is off doing their own **** but it hasn't stopped some things and

one of the big things that was coming out is Lou Elizondo for those who are in the UAP world, the guy who was supposedly in charge of a tip and there's a lot of discrepancy there, but there's a leak memo recently. He wrote a book called time out. Yeah. What is a tip for those who don't know? I mean, I can tell. Why don't you take this?

Oh, okay. So it's changed several times, but it is anonymous. I'm sorry, anonymous, A-tip, aerial phenomenon, at which they then change to anomalous phenomenon, because it wasn't in the air anymore. Where's the T? The T is trans-medium. Is it trans-medium? Yeah.

Let me go look. I can just Google this. A-tip. But is it A-T-I-P or A can just Google this a tip is it a tip or ATP a Ati advanced aerospace threat identification program. Thank you. Thank you. I apologize You know some people might not know what that is Confused with the program before this which was awesome Which got turned into a tip under the hood by again, a bunch of over compartmentalized pieces of the government

that don't talk to each other. Just for your clarity sake, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was an unclassified, but unpublicized investigatory effort funded by the US to study UAPs or unexplained aerial phenomenon. The program was made public on December 16th, 2017. Remember those when the videos were leaking and all those like you.

That's that was kind of in junction with this. But the program began in 2007 with a funding of a measly 22 million over five years, which if you know anything about government programs, that's not a lot of money. Appropriations were ended in 2012, and the program began in the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency afterward. So it's like moved around under different umbrellas and was denied, denied, denied until it was like leaked that it was real.

Lou Elizondo says he was in charge of it, part of it. And then the Pentagon has said, no, that's not true for years and years and years. And then three months ago or two months ago, a FOIA requested memo got leaked to the guy who runs the black vault, which is he just a FOIA guy. He just FOIAs and documents everything. And he got it where basically there was the government not only naming a tip, but also naming Louis Elizondo on the memo. And he wasn't the guy who got the FOIA wasn't supposed to get it. It was an accidental send to him

from the person who was on the other end of FOIA. So it was like, whether quote unquote accident or somebody on the other side, because what we're also learning is like, there's basically the old guard, all the old fucks who are like, don't want to let go of any of the secrets. And there are some that I, you know, I agree for national security reasons. But then there's the new guard who's like, no, some of this fucking shit's insane, the public needs to know. And there's the new guard who's like, no, some of this fucking shit's insane and the public needs to know. And there's like a budding of heads.

And that's what this book essentially outlines his like his entire career from being recruited in the army through all of that. So for clarity, the old guard versus new guard is his assertion in the book, correct? No, not really. Or is that your vibe? That's my vibe. This is what the whole thing actually

is. That's my vibe on things. Like the way he talks about things is like basically the people who have just been clinging to, you know, the boomers, Grush and Luella Zando got to a place in the government where they can come out. Come out. Come out. Come out. Yeah. Imagine this is someone's first time listening and watching. Pretend Jesse. This is Jesse's first time really understanding.

The two people you just mentioned, Grush, who we've talked about before. Can you give us a little explanation on these two that you're talking about? The two that we're going to obviously one we're going to get into today a lot. Louis Elizondo specifically today. One year ago, I mean, I guess two years at this point, but a year ago, David Grush came forward, the individual that has super high government clearances, would walk to Biden's office and say, grandpa, time for the report. Very high clearances came forward and said that there's reverse engineering program,

we've clicked down craft, and we have found biologics from these things. And then there's a ton of stuff he can't get into. Yeah, that's where non-human NHI came from was initially Grush. And then it made its way into the Schumer bill that three Republicans in the house have blocked from passing. Thank you so much to today's sponsor, GhostBed.

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I can't talk about that. I have to talk to somebody. I have to talk to you in a skiff. The DOPSR is the one that does a lot of the okaying when it comes to books in particular. Rue Elisande? That's basically the government sensory board that reads through and says,

no, you can't put that in because that's classified. No, that doesn't. But an important clarity for what they do, they don't also say, that's a lie, don't put that in because that's classified. No, that doesn't. But an important, important clarity for what they do. They don't also say that's a lie. Don't put that in there. They just simply make sure anything that's secret or sensitive is removed. Anything else is not their purview. So they're not stopping anybody from writing straight up insane lies.

If that's what's happening, just to put that out there. I don't want you to think that they're also like, you can't put that in there. That's a lie. No, they don't give them. They're just making sure like since sensitive info is redacted. Right. So this adopts her office, right? So one year ago, Lou Elizondo says, this is what I want to say.

And they're like, hold on buddy. We got to read this. Take some over a year to read this, you know, because they're on vacation 90% of the time. So eventually someone did the book report and read it. And he is now also asserting that as they made their ranks up the government, they got to a certain level where if they never talked about this, they could continue to make waves.

But as they made waves about this to talk about it, they were told under no circumstances are we going to talk about this. Grush got fed up, left the government to talk about it, they were told under no circumstances are we going to talk about this. Grush got fed up, left the government to talk about this. Luis Elizondo has essentially done the same thing. And I want to make it the clarity for Grush is that he left and he was only made public a couple years afterwards because memos were leaked that he was filing complaints via lawyer. And that's when Grush became public because he wasn't attempting to be public.

He just kind of got forced because somebody leaked some shit. And we'll get into the breadth of the book, but basically from Lou's understanding, from him researching all of this, even though he's been unable to unearth this legacy program, this program that's been going now over 80 years, because Grush thinks that this goes to

probably pre-30s, that non-human intelligences are real, they are visiting us right now, they have been visiting with us for a long time, we do not know their origins, what they want with us, what they want with us or what their weird connections are with some of our military installations, specifically nuclear energy, nuclear powered boats and things in the water, and then also nuclear power plants and like missile silos and things like that. Right.

So yeah, this book, Eminent, that kind of goes through, like I said, kind of his early life into the military. Jesse, did you know that Luella Zendo's father was one of the Bay of Pigs dudes? He fought with Castro and then- He landed in the bay and he was like, come on guys, let's go, revolution. Castro took over and was like, this is my country,

and they're like, go fuck yourself. Fountain Bay of Higgs lost was in Castro's jail for two years while he was away. Lou Elizondo's mom, like, I got to change your identity. I'm raising you as Jewish. Dad was in jail for two years. Comes back, barely gets back together. There's some trauma, but his dad was a part of Bay of picks. Yep. Okay, sure.

Even military life his whole life. Like you can, that's all documented. That's all on paper. That's all shit you can find. I love the idea that he's like, he's released from prison and he goes back home and he's like, finally out of that communist hellscape and back in good old USA, where I could celebrate Christmas and they're like, oh, about that. His wife goes, oh, hey, baby, drops his box on the ground and his basketball rolls all over the floor.

He goes, Daddy. Yeah, that was it is crazy. Really. So what the book imminent is, just to give everybody an idea, if you are deep into the UFO world, it's more or less a chronological, like, compiling of everything that we can verify through government papers, essentially, and Llewellyn's own personal stories, some of which, if you followed, are not new. A few of them are, and a few of them even make me go, really, dude?

Like, I'm not sure. And we'll talk about them but it's another reason like taking you through this book Jesse is essentially just going to take you through the timeline that he lays out of like what the government's been doing. So he's a young man full of spit and vinegar joins the military and very on in his military career. He is recruited into Project Stargate. Project Stargate was the government. That's real.

This paper is the remote viewing. We have the CIA paper. Right. No one's talked about it. Yes. He talked about the crazy version of Stargate. Right. Like this version is just the CIA's research into remote viewing. Like that, which we know existed, but that's all they weren't doing. They weren't time traveling with a young Obama to Mars. Like that guy said he was. No, he's not saying that at all.

There's no blue avian people. None of that stuff. None of that shit. No. But this is where some other names that are going to come off. But in 1994, he was recruited, trained how to do remote viewing, was doing, was going to be part of the program. Then Congress pulled the funding. That program fails and he goes, okay, well, I learned how to remote view. I'll bring that into my work.

He gets deployed, gets deployed, does a couple of tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, specifically on counter insurgents. She was like in Iraq, like a professor X like, that cool looking or described. It's more like he would sit in a chair and be like, drawing pictures. It's like doodling breakfast. It's like going with whatever you're feeling. And he said he would rub his index fingers and his thumbs together when he would do it out of like, I'm feeling a little counter terrorist. He used the phrase on Joe Rogan.

And I don't remember the context for it, but he used the expression warheads on foreheads. So that's what he was doing. My dudes. I was so what you just said to me, you said first off the idea that he could say to Joe Rogan warheads on foreheads and Joe Rogan was probably like, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm asking you the question. What the hell does that mean? I need to know too. Cause I did not know the podcast. He was talking about the burden of proof that he has on these things. And he's like, for us to do a tactical strike on your house

where we put a missile only into your apartment, right? This is the burden of proof of information to put warheads on foreheads. He feels confident in what he has discovered that like yeah, I could if this was Iraq times, I could get a bump there because I could say that this was a threat to national security. Jesse, he was so successful in his activities. Well, so you're telling hold on. You're

telling me that. Burned proof wise, which by the way most of the time in the military and intelligence community, like 80% for a lot of people is good enough. You know what I'm saying? So this dude is straight up just like, on my word, we could launch a missile at someone, is what he's saying. Like if he said, I found the location, if he was like, and he put on Cerebro and he found the location of like, uh, the terrorist guy. And in this case, we'll say like more, he described it more like when he was using it more like I have a bad feeling about tomorrow. I don't

want my men to go in tomorrow. I just have a bad feeling about it. That's more. So then again, based on his word, they'd be like, no, we're not going to send them in. Yeah. Cause he was the commander of his unit. He, yes, he had work say that he could say no. All right, but he had like he had the power. I'm just trying to establish his power level here of what he's able to actually do versus like the fantasy. I feel like remote viewing comes with the pop culture thinking of like actually just walking around in a 3D space when it's more like he's like sidewalk. Okay, he's

got like good fighting ability, a light psychic kind of side to him. But right. Not a powerful like a Jean Grey or Xavier. Not at all. Who is right? Yeah. Fair, fair. Jesse, he was so successful at running these things. He then ran the rendition program. And I want to know. Yes. Yes. Yes. Are you kidding? Seriously? then ran the rendition program and. Yes, yes. Are you kidding me? Seriously?

No, Jesse. Real this. That's why these people are credible for a reason, because this this all can be tracked and documented. I don't know that makes them credible or not, but like, all right. I listen. He's not like a guy who's wasn't in the military, wasn't high ranking, wasn't heavily, heavily involved in everything, which could also be evidence that he's also a disinformation agent. Right.

Well, that's that that part is not lost on me in all of this. But he ran the guess he ran Guantanamo Bay, which I think was a personal fuck you to Cuba because he's like, my dad couldn't get you. But now I live here on this beach doing whatever I want to do. It's possible. It's possible. I don't so okay all right so this guy comes from a family where the dad was a military man so he has the background he joins up but

the way he joins up is via the projects started he just was a normal recruit that was something he was. He was recruited. So what's a to be? How does he go from? I'm a normal recruit to we're going to let you do mind war. Great question. I mean, I don't whatever they approached him and they're like, he was going into counterintelligence. Like these are always those steps that I find interesting words like, but why? Why was he? He describes it like you have a meeting. I want to meet with you. This guy higher up goes meet with me in this place in like two hours. Um, he shows up, he starts asking a ton of questions, kind of rapid fire.

He clearly did a background check and like, you know, he's kind of talking a lot and the it sounds super secret agenty. However, my friend, uh, who's a lawyer was, uh, targeted, not targeted, but was trying to be recruited by the FBI. And he went through something extremely similar. And he said how weird it was that they would just kind of be like, okay, you have a meeting with us tomorrow.

And they would ask things and know things that he had no like, he doesn't know where they fucking found this shit out. And they they were just he made it to like the third, I think, part of the process. And then he ended up backing out and was like I'm done with this like uh so like I like they do do that kind of thing it's just whether or not you know Lou is telling the truth so it's like men in black where he's like hey show up this time Will Smith and then he's like okay and then he makes Will Smith shoot aliens and stuff like it's not Kay it's some like really scary dude with a beard and like angry military

man. Kay was pretty scary until he got to know him. The dude with the beard ran all of MIB. We're not running an intergalactic kegger here. That guy was the beard guy. You mean Rip Torn? The incredible Rip Torn? So he, because of his work in counterterrorism and in working with the sort of messier side of the war on

terror. He had a ton of clearances. So in 2009, he gets approached by, and I want to say it's Hal Putoff at this point, correct? I think it is. I think you're correct. I read this yesterday, but I kind of like... So Hal just says like, hey, I want to invite you to work on this program. And I think that you'd be great for it because of the clearances that you have. And I think would be, I would love your eye on it. And he was like, great. Wait, can you tell me about it?

He's like, I can't tell you anything about it right now. We're having a very serious conversation, looks dead in the eyes and goes, what do you think about UFOs? And he goes, personally, I don't think about them. I don't get paid to think about them. I have other things on my plate to worry about than UFOs and how put off look directly into his face and said I think you need to give it a little bit more of a thought and I think that you need to Not allow your worldview to pollute your thoughts on this

And he said if you want to be a part of this, let me know. We can make things happen and then we will meet you in a skiff. So he talks it over with his wife. Now, mind you, he's not like, it's not like he's take, leaving his Guantanamo Bay job. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. At his government desk, he is working on this and he also agrees to be part of ATIP. So in addition to his responsibilities, he tells his superior, I want to be part of this thing. And they go, yes, we feel confident that you can do that. It takes about two weeks. He gets them approved. They go into a skiff. Mr. Mathis, if someone doesn't know what a skiff is, what is a skiff? Super private, no technology, no nothing

meeting between Congress members and our government officials that are just like super, super secret. And when they come out, you just kind of have to take their words to what they say because there's no fucking evidence. It's just like, it's all super top, top secret meetings, which Grush went into multiple times with Congress that we talked about in many so you know, in the past. Um, I don't know what that actually skiff stands for specifically special comart compartmentalized information. Like something't know what that actually skiff stands for specifically special remark, compartmentalized information like something. It's something that's sensitive compartmented information facility.

That's exactly what it is. The room built in the US government standards to prevent interception of sensitive information and outside surveillance. They are designed to handle sensitive compartmented information. The SCI a part of skiff and evolves a project. It's part of the intelligence sources. And I don't know if I said this to you, Mr. Mathis, at the wedding we just went to, that my realization

from this book is our government sounds like a secret society, like masonry. Like, you need certain levels to get into certain doors and we're kind of in the know, but you're not allowed to know unless you get into the room. But I wouldn't even say it's like a secret society thing. It's just like humans have this obsession. Like once you make things official and cool, like you start compartmentalizing

and compartmentalizing and once you start going, you start, you start making levels. Now you are just via security level. You're compartmentalized. Nevermind keeping the secret, like whatever fucking programs, not UFO ones, but maybe military missile ones away from this part of the government, but they might have like equivalent security clearances. It's over compartmentalized. It's the government doesn't talk to itself. And like, I think that's the part I get out of the book is like, it just seems like it's too many fucking heads trying to run the same body.

How much of that has changed post? I mean, obviously, when I say post 9-11, that's 20 years ago. But at the time they made the whole point of having like a, uh, Homeland Security Bureau was that all of it reported to one thing and I'm not sure what the vibe is with that right now, but I would say it's probably gotten worse. But like, you was trying to stop a UFO 911. And I said that in a text message. I feel like the whole point of this is being like the parts of our government need to talk about this.

That's what I was going to say is like, we talked about it in MKUltra. We talked about the origins of the CIA via OCS or something. And that's when I say things started getting compartmentalized because once origins of the CIA via OCS or something. And that's when I say things started getting compartmentalized because once that was created, we watched it via history. What it did with MK Ultra there, it was they were literally lacing and dosing their own government fucking members while they were working with LSD and weed fucking all the time. And they were getting that security clearance.

That was we're talking 60 post World War two, 60s, 70s, 80s. So into the Cold War, they changed the structure a little bit in the early 2000s. So when does all the stuff that you're talking about take place? So this is like 2009, 2009, 2010. But keep in mind, like UFO programs like aP have existed since the 60s, starting with Sure, sure. I'm just trying to figure out exactly like... Yeah, 07-ish is like where we're looking at, yeah.

Now they would deny that they have a program, but there's been a program. So as Lou has now been brought into this group, he then now starts talking with Cal... Cal... Kellen Hurt, what is his name? So bad with names. It's okay. These are the guys that were investigating like skinwalker ranch. So he's talking with these guys. They're hearing about all of their input and stuff like that and what they experienced there. And then he starts talking to how put off and in and in the book on page

45 of your hardback readers at home. He talks about how he doesn't know remember when his UFO kind of history started starting but the conversation that he had with how was well it all goes back to 1947. Wait yeah, I was real I askede looked at me clearly, weighing whether to bring me further into a circle of troughs. Yes, Lou, it was real. You mean to tell me that a UAP actually crashed and we covered it up? That's exactly what happened, he replied. I went quiet and let his words sink in. Howe went on to tell me something else that truly blew my mind. Four deceased non-human bodies were in fact recovered from 1947's Roswell crash. After processing that,

I fired off a slew of questions in head out mouth. Have we recovered non-human bodies from other UAP crashes? He looked at me as if debating on how to answer. It was clear to me he wasn't ready to tell the time when the UAP crashes, the man he's talking to is again his bona fides please. How put off was was a government CIA spy, which was also part of the remote viewing group. He worked with the original group in the seventies with, which is from the men who stare at goats, Ingo Swan, that original group. When Ingo Swan took, left the group and started his own group. He stayed with the government and I believe from this has been working in

these esoteric programs in the government because of his clearances for probably the last 30 years. So he's asking this dude and he's like, yo, it's all real. Yes. So as he leaves the skiff, he, Luis Elizondo talks a bunch about how he's not a Star Wars guy, he's not a Star Trek guy, he didn't play fantasy as a kid, he played GI Joe. He starts going on to the government servers and starts, so what Mathis was talking about,

how it's all compartmentalized, he would go to different servers. So he would go and look at the CIA server and go to Homeland Security. And on these secure servers, on weapon platforms that we, me and you do not need to know about, there are high quality, 4K, full definition, beautiful videos of strange, crafts being caught on these platforms. What he goes on something he mentions as well, which is interesting is he you know, he raises the question of the book

and it's something that we've asked on the show is like, well, is the president read in his Congress read in as the Senate read in and he's like, no. And the reason is they are seen by the CIA and whatnot as temporary hires. They do not need to worry about it because the CIA people are all fucking lifers. And that's true. Like they everybody works. There's lifers. The president, only the presidents who push are read in on the most basic stuff,

but not any more than that. And yeah, that's why when the Congress has been pushing recently, I'm going to say that's why, but you could use that as the reason that like when Congress pushes CIA is like, no, and they can't do anything about it. He gives a list of the people that he thinks it was. And it starts with in the fifties, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, George H. W. Bush, senior, and then nobody until Trump. Wasn't Carter? Carter, I think, as well.

But I don't... The Carter stuff, I don't understand. Nobody until Trump? They were like, this guy who talks all the time and can't shut up, we're going to give him info? And he didn't say anything to the public. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't that is nothing. Yeah, nothing sounds like immediate bullshit, but okay things I was like

Son asked him about it on a podcast and Trump was like it's that Roswell's very very interesting and then like He says about everything. Okay So he starts wait hold on so they gave it to Bush, Daddy Bush. Oh, Daddy Bush ran the CIA. Daddy Bush knows all sorts of secrets. That guy was into all sorts of crazy shit. But so that Herbert Walker Bush had it. And then they were like Clinton, nah. Nah. And they were like baby Bush, nah. Nah. And they were like Obama, nah. Trump though. But then they were like, Trump? He's, alright, and they were like Obama nah Trump but then they were like

Trump Well, all right. Okay. Well, we know from the WikiLeaks email and I also Agree with this that I think Hillary Clinton wanted to be the disclosure president. I think her team was huge working With WikiLeaks from those emails. We found out about Tom DeLong and was talking to John Podesta and was talking to govern. Did anything ever happen with good old Tom DeLong? Because I feel like that was a nothing burger. I would say no, but he got all of these people to start talking. I mean, I guess the problem with Tom DeLong is like,

he's like the most useful idiot in the world in that like anything anyone tells him. He's like, that must be how it is. And he's just like, he just is like, yes, is it to all weird alien things that like thinking about it. So he's kind of just not reliable, but he did create like a media company that ended up at least pushing things like Jeremy Corbell forward a little bit more and George Knapp's and shit like that.

It's a weird relationship. So as Lou gets into this though, the team warns him and goes, hey man, we just wanna let you know that we're very happy to have you part of the group. Weird stuff's gonna start happening to you now. We call it the hitchhiker effect. Yes, which I've heard plenty of times.

That when people start looking at this in a big way, it kind of follows them. It follows them home. It almost looks back like, oh, hey, we notice you. Jesse at Lou Elizondo's house, his wife, children, neighbors, the neighbor's kids saw green orbs in and out of walls, poltergeist-type stuff. The kids saw it and freaked the fuck out of them. The wife was like, hey, what is going on? And he's like, it might have something to do with my work

that I can't tell you about. He doesn't tell his wife anything! So, and you might go, and this is the part where I'm like, nevermind the green ball part, that to me is another one I'm like, I don't know, man. Well, I'll think about it, but like, it hard for me to swallow. Don't question the green balls, dude. Don't do it.

The part that gets me is like, why don't these people come forward? If all these things are happening, why don't they come forward? And he makes it pretty, almost like in hindsight, why wouldn't that stop anybody coming forward? You lose your pension, you get fired, you get removed. Everything you've worked on your whole life,

because you're a lifer in these things, gets taken away from you. Now you have no money, you have no retirement fund, you have no income, what the fuck are you gonna do? And that's like, oh yeah, no, that would, if like my, if I spent 30 years in this, and I'm like, I have so much evidence I need to come forward, and they're're like you're gonna lose your entire retirement

And we're gonna literally just fire you and let you go and like bit like cut you free completely What are you gonna? If you have a family? What do you do right? But by the same logic everyone who has come forward then you have to ask what was their motivation. They were already out Well, no crush was in when he filed his complaint like a pension is a pension like take that from right? Well, Lou, Grush was in when he filed his complaint. But like a pension is a pension. Like take that from you. Right. Well, Lou is not really- Everyone who has said anything does not then- So, for example, here's an aside, but it's also talked about by Lou.

In the late 90s, Admiral Wilson wanted to find out about the program and spoke with a scientist named Eric Davis- Wilson Davis memo, which we've talked about on the show. Thank you. And when that individual knocked on the door of the legacy program and said, hey, I wanna be read into this. I'm third in line in the government.

I should know about this shit. The person who he spoke to said, you will never get in this room. If you keep pushing this, we will demote you a star, which means the money that he earned, right? All of this thing, your retirement and stuff like that, goes down a notch and will bury you. Well, you'll never have a career again in the military. And he told Eric Davis about this. Eric Davis has a photographic memory, wrote a very detailed memo about all this in which

Admiral Wilson says hey if you ever tell anybody about this I'm gonna fucking deny it to everyone's face and I will never admit that I had this conversation Yeah, which but the memo was debated if it was even real for a long time until what was two years ago When Edgar Mitchell died the astro, yes He had files in a safe. There were some people that knew he had this from that. That's how this got out. After he died, it was found in his safe.

That's right. Yep. So it's like, oh, the memo is real. Astronaut was the one who was holding on to this. It is so wonderfully convoluted. All of it. Like it is like the best part about all of this is it's

Unimpeachable and that the minute you attempt to do anything with it. There's like 18 outs which I think is one of the highlights of like Invicts bullshit like a really good woven tail because you can be like well, it was found in the safe and you could ask Okay. Well, how do they find the safe? Well, they knew it was there. Okay, well, do they show anyone the safe that they cracked open? No, because it was a secret safe. Oh, okay, so the secret safe has the information. I don't think it was, I don't know.

But like, I know what you mean. And that's part of this as well. Like going into this and going deep into the UFO world, you have to like understand that they might be a complete fucking fabrication or it might be a sprinkle bit of truth mixed into a fuck ton of lies. So you don't believe it because and I say this with this is you can go back and find this in the 50s.

The Robertson panel was created and what the Robertson panel was created for was how do we control the narrative of the public? How do we make things under our control? And that is when they created the list, a four-pointed list of deny, deny, deny, make it, ridicule it, make everybody a fool who uses it, and like ignore it completely afterward. And that was created supposedly,

the Robertson panel exists, but that was created supposedly because of Roswell, and the really slapdash response, because created supposedly because of Roswell and the really slapdash response. Because if you remember the Roswell response was for two days, it was newspapers of flying saucer crashes that in the other till the military came in and went to the news station goes redact that that's not what happened. It was like a balloon, you know, that kind of thing convoluted.

But that part, the Roberts panel existing is true. Like in the reason it exists is real. But, you know, like, yeah, there's also a million reasons they could exist. But the fact that the CIA just may want to control the way that people perceive things in general, they might just find powerful and useful, which obviously they used. Sorry, go ahead, Santel. So he's investigating it. He investigates the Nimitz case, the go fastAST, the Gimbal, the TIC,

all of these things he is looking at. And then, you know, so people will go, well, you know, that's probably one of our secret ones. So he goes, talks to the guy at the CIA who's running their program. That guy goes, that ain't ours. So then he goes, talks to the other guy at this program. He goes, that ain't ours. Funny enough, the Navy and Army are very willing to speak to him, but the Air Force won't talk

to him for some reason. Nobody knows why. So he starts making all of this and he wants to get the program out of the Pentagon and under DOD. Is that what it was? I think it was the DOD. Yes. Or it was going to be, it got moved into the DOD? Is that what it was? I think it was the DOD, yes. Or it was gonna be, it got moved into the DOD afterward.

But yeah, he was trying to basically get the secret program out under the Pentagon's lockjaw and under a branch of the government he could at least work with. And his one saving hope was if he could get his plea in front of General Mad Dog. Is his name Mathis as well? Mathiasias maybe i don't know if it's mathis no what is his name mad dog the he worked he was in trump's administration he was his first

yeah secretary of state and google it oh my god maddox mad dog maddox mad dog madis yeah it's james maddis mathis i see yeah yeah he couldn't, but he couldn't just go to him. So then we go through all of this like government like bullshit like trying to get his name on a list and he's talking to all these people around him. But in doing so, he started to say very similar to the guy who was part of ran Project Blue Book. He had a lot of the same issues trying to get Air Force to talk to him. A stance, Friedman, Friedman, Dr. Friedman. He had a lot of the same issues in the 60s with Project Blue Book because very similar reasons continue. So he finds out as he's doing this research and he's trying to get it moved. He starts looking into these companies and he finds out that private aerospace companies Northwood Grumman,

Boeing, yes have all been part of it and are holding parts of it and that the company Monsanto when was purchased in 2008 by the bear company one of their offshoot facilities was holding the biologics from 1947. Do you see why? Bonsetto! Okay, so hang on, hang on, hang on. The Crap People? The Crap People! Who were literally bought.

It's insane too because it purposely sounds convoluted, but the reason the private companies have this stuff is because it frees them from government oversight. So the government contracts private companies is like, anytime we get the shit, you get it. Congress has no oversight over Lockheed, over Raytheon. They don't have to like look like report to them yearly like they would if they were in the government. And that right there is one of the big problems. One of the reasons why disclosure hasn't happened and what knocked the last bill off was these companies want assurances that they're going to be able to make money off of these UFOs because Boeing sucks right now.

They trapped those two people in fucking space. No, no, no. What the fuck they're doing. They clearly haven't done a good job reverse engineering glib-glops fucking space. No, no, no. What the fuck they're doing. Clearly haven't done a good job reverse engineering, glib, glops, fucking UFO. Do you think their stock would go up if tomorrow this starts coming out and they go, Hey, just so you know, we haven't been putting money into that, but we have been investigating a UFO, which we've had access to since the late forties.

And let's promise you if it based on society, if they had it, they would say, because the stock is the most important thing in the world to them. And I don't, I don't buy the idea. It's a lesson that does bring down the wrath of the government on them, the CIA and shit on them. Well, one of the things that disputed a UFO we Bob Lazar said is that basically, they take this shit off the shelf every decade and

See if anybody can do anything with it And if nobody can they put it back on the shelf for another decade so which I don't yeah I just don't think this stuff's been worked on like that. You got to think about I think about The what was the project for creating the nuclear bomb was the name of that project? Oppenheimer, the movie. Yeah. The movie. The movie. I don't know.

To split the atom, right? Like this, it was secret quote unquote, but it was like the most well-known secret in our country. They literally built a small town of the most genius people in the world. And like that was to figure out how to split the atom. If we truly have technology, we don't understand wherever it comes from. You would think you would need as many bright minds working on this, but if you keep it compartmentalized and only allow like a couple dozen

every few years to work on it, and they're like, well, I don't know. Fucking is you're never going to really make any headway on this thing. So why? I mean, like, why do it then? Doesn't make a lot of sense. Well, one of the some of the private companies don't want this fucking shit. The government's like, you're having it, you have to have this one of the companies contacted when Lou was there and said, we want to divest ourselves. We don't

want this shit anymore. And the government was like, we're not fucking touching that you're gonna hold it like a good little bitch till we tell you otherwise. That was part of the conversation of, uh, they was having with Senator Reed. Um, part, that was all part of that when they were trying to get this, the initial push back in 2017. And yeah, that was the, it's part of that. Like some of the private companies literally don't want it.

They don't want the shit. And, uh, to that point as well, the only reason why any of these programs even happened was because Harry Reid protected them, had them funding and prevented them from getting canceled. As little funding as it was. Las Vegas, Nevada International Airport Harry Reid? Hell yeah, bro. Hell yeah, bro. He is going to go in the history a as an ally to disclosure. So he names these companies, which math is I got the impression that he is remote viewing these places, right? Like, that's the

point of him telling us he's remote viewed Monsanto and like looked at the gray aliens in the jelly tube. Yeah, I mean, for some of it, I think, I mean, it's I don't know, man. That's the part I just am like, really, like, like, I don't know if I believe that I don't know if he remote viewed Lockheed or anything like that. I think I don't know if I think he just got read in on that shit. Maybe. I think he's literally got read in on it. There's a lot of this book that is just you have to take it on faith, to be honest.

Everything you're saying is like, I don't know if this thing happened, but like he said, it happened. So like, we got to believe it. Well, the other people in the room, I mean, that's the, that's the deal. I mean, look, that's his dad. That's the guy who was in prison. He was tortured. That's a real picture, Jesse. I understand that it's a real picture of the man. I'm saying that everything in the book so far is like, here's the thing that happened. Here's the thing that happened. And, uh, Monsanto's

has aliens and, uh, you'll never know that they. Here's the thing that happened. And Monsanto's has aliens and you'll never know that they have them. And there's nothing you can do to find out about the fact that they have them. So except that they have them. It's wild that I, okay. Well, let me, let's, let's talk about two more things and then let's get to why the book is called imminent. As he starts trying to move the program, he has to rustle feathers and kind of tell people what he's been working on. Now, we do know this part did happen because it was kind of public when it was going on.

It was part of the news cycle as quickly as it would come and go. But this part was happening, where this program with Harry Reid and everything was trying to be brought back and moved so they could actually do something with it. While he's making these bumps and talking with people to make this happen, he gets on the radar of CIA and also the operative who is working with To The Stars Academy, Jim Simevan, who is legacy CIA. He's now retired from the CIA, but still has clearances and still works with them.

Side note, he has now come forward and said that beings, paralyzed him and his wife, went into their bedroom. He has not spoken about what happened, but he has had a encounter of the fifth kind, if you will, and has stated that this is very, very real and has not elaborated more. But I think that is why he is a part of all of this. So he put Jesse's mouth is just a game everybody doesn't know what to do. I don't know. You just, again, this is a series of bits of information that are completely

unprovable, but also not disprovable. Like there's no way that I could say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he says, hey, I want to, we have someone that we think you should meet with. To be, okay, here's what I would say as in the book itself as evidence of these places being real. He lists them within the book, but they're redacted by the DOPSR, like blackout redacted within the book itself. So like at the very least, these places that he's naming very specifically, he knows the locations of, and has to be redacted from the book

because they're so specific, which he might be doing specifically to get redacted from the book because they're so specific, which he might be doing specifically to get redacted. So as evidence that you see it, but the DOPSR also publicly did say they went through this book and that's, that's all like, it did have to go through this and redact shit. So like that's part at least of the, like the locations that he's speaking about are real in that, in that degree. So as this is going on, he talks with him and says, we have someone that you should talk to. He was like, okay, I might be open to it.

They're feeling each other out. They're talking like coded speak. They don't wanna like tell exactly what they're working on. And he goes, we want you to meet with somebody. That somebody makes a schedule, schedules a meeting. And that person is Christopher Mellon. And Christopher Mellon says, I want to be read in on this program.

Read in basically means you are part of the team. We're telling you all of our secrets. You are in the know. And now you're also locked into the same secrets that we hold. And Lou goes, okay, if you want to be this, here is a list of tickets and tickets are clearances. And he said he gave him a full page of clearances

that he needed to get to even be in the room. And he's like, unless he was like, the list of clearances he said was basically very specific. Like unless you were somebody with a high rank, you weren't gonna get these clearances. One week later shows up, says, hey, I got the clearances. Lulazana goes, bullshit.

Looks at it, all of the clearances are there. He then calls these individuals at these government offices and they say, absolutely. Lou says it's the best decision he ever made. Christopher Mellon is also part of the To the Stars Academy. He was worked in Clinton's government as part of high levels of intelligence. He was the ones that specifically knew what servers the GoFast, Gimbal and Tic Tac videos were on. They were non-secret servers, but knew where to find all of this stuff. Yes, Mike?

Well, I was gonna say, he was Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense from 1998 to 2002. And he was part of Security Counterintelligence, Information Operations Strategies and Integration. And then he entered the private sector afterward working with Minority Staff Director of the Senate Intelligence Committee,

John D. Rockefeller from 2002, 2004. Like this man is all fucking military. And his family is like, he won his dad as a judge. Oh no, kids. The melons are Carnegie melon. He comes from I didn't know. Oh, he's comes from money money. And then the stuff that Jesse will put poo like why do all these

fucking rich families? Why is there fingerprints all over the whole? Never put this. This seems completely money because we live in a capitalist society and money is power. I would never poo poo that. That sounds exactly right. So Lou gets all of this

body of evidence he finds out that the government is paying that servicemen in interacting with these UFO and UAP crafts have gotten hurt been a radiated and that our government is paying disability for a number of different soldiers and he also indicates that there are people that have

died because of these craft. Yeah from silver something that we have talked about before. Yes, the the radiation stuff that that was all documented stuff. I think it was Alex's episode that specifically talked about the guy with the hooks that flew out and he had like all this burns and shit. Yeah, like that kind of thing.

The program doesn't get moved. He starts getting clamped down. They're not gonna release any of this stuff. And he goes to his wife who he doesn't tell anything and he goes, okay, I'm gonna tell you some stuff. And he decides he's gonna leave his career to go public with this stuff. And he talks about leaving and then we literally pick up at Leslie King's book UFO of the New York Times article, the 2017, the three videos and all of the information that has come from

that to this. Him leaving, doing all that doing all that what yeah gave us all those videos and That's where that's where like the evidence of like he actually doing something, you know is there It's just a lot of the things he also claims is kind of fucking wild in and of itself But the book imminent. Yeah, he specifically he titles it and go ahead and send tell no, this is the great segue imminent He titles it and go ahead, Santel. No, this is the great segue. Imanet, he leaves open-ended for us to interpret what it is. But one of the things that he talks about is- He gives his opinion. Yes, and one of the things that he talks about

is he is fairly confident that there have been crash retrievals in other countries. And one of the things that he is fearful of as an American person who worked in terrorism and stuff like that is that other countries will not have the same morals about these things. And his fear is that China or Russia might make a breakthrough on some of these technologies

because they don't care how many people they irradiate and kill. So they are going to be putting thousands more man hours than us. And whoever makes the breakthrough with this technology, that is the ace in the hole. That is the thing that then gives you supremacy over the other countries. He also, there has been some allusions. I don't think so much in this book,

but wondering if our government has made deals or some sort of agreements with these non-human intelligences. I feel like that is, they keep alluding, they wanna know what has been said between these groups. And that our sensory systems are now to the point that our service people are in danger. They're running into these things. This is what David Fravor, this is specifically what Ryan Graves had said that when they started- That's where the tech video came from and...

When they started updating their flare systems, their targeting systems, they said they were running stuff like this every single day. And people are reporting this within our government and it is getting squashed. And that is part of the reason why he is trying to get these different entities to talk to each other. Yeah, he also talks about the the The phenomenon itself and that he believes it's like one of three things in his opinion one They're they're benevolent in that they're like maybe here to help us or like guide us or whatever

He doesn't particularly believe that. He thinks the other one is more his thought line and military focus that this is like, if we were a country looking to invade another country secretly, what would you do? You would send probes, you would check out the like how they live, you would want to know their medical records and how they what they eat and how they need what they need to how they need, what they need to survive. And if these things are coming in and probing all of those things,

his thought is like invasion, maybe they want the planet and we're just like, life in the way or whatever it is. And he's like, he doesn't know if that's the truth, but his mind being the military goes that way. The third one is more where I lay where it's like, if this thing is real, it seems very indifferent. It just seems like it doesn't give a fuck or like, it's just kind of watching out of curiosity. Or its morality could be like humans.

Some of it's good. Some of it's bad. Yeah. It can take resources that they want to. But these things do interact with people because one of the stories he tells in the book is that a doctor from the department of veteran affairs pulled out an implant out of a guy. And as he was operating on it, the thing tried to get away from me is what the doctor said.

Sorry. What? I think it was like, yeah, yeah. As he was doing the surgery, the, the things started moving through the body. Matrix. Yes. Yes. Exactly. As he was doing the surgery, the things started moving through the body. Like the Matrix? Yes!

Yes, exactly! Like the Matrix, Jesse. This object, when he pulled it out, was metal, but had a membrane around it so that the body would not attack it, and it could move imperviously through the individual, AKA the matrix. Yep. I, okay. I mean, again, there's no, we can't do it. I know we can't prove it. I think in the picture of the implant, actually. Yeah. Jesse, how could you disprove this picture right here?

That is the implant with the fatty thing around it that is protecting it and is moving through the person's body. In a little Petri dish. Yeah. That's a real picture, Jesse. It's all real. I mean, it is a real picture of what?

I'm not sure, but it's a real picture of something. Here's a picture of Lou Elizondo with the Wilson, I'm sorry, with Eric Davis and with Hal Putoff. He knows them, Jesse. This is all happening. Again, the biggest problem with all of this is that- This is the day Lou Elizondo met Tom DeLong. He got it in a picture. It's a real thing.

I could equally take photos with people and be like, this guy told me about aliens and He works with the government and he's in top secret organization and he can't talk about it But he told me about it under Extr-extreme situation a friend a and now I'm telling all of you because I believe so much so in Saving the world that I must get this out there. Like again, that's what Gresh said. Like you can't, the funny thing about it is you just can't, like the burden of proof to say that it's a lie

is on someone like me compared to him just being like- No, I disagree. No, Michiokaku told us all. The difference now between any other time is that the burden of proof is now on the government and you now have military people and academic people in Gary Nolan who has been working on these things and being like yeah I'm analyzing this stuff. It ain't from here. Right, right, but I'm saying but I'm saying the the burden of proof of to disprove and like I

would assume some of them are not being truthful and the burden of proof of to disprove and like I would assume some of them are not being truthful and the burden of proof is on someone like me to figure that out but it's impossible because like again I can't disprove a story that is then said it's classified or the government's lying to you or if the government wants to tell you the truth like it's it's you know layers of conspiracy that you just can't derail. I disagree with you. I don't think it's a burden on you to disprove that. I think, oh, I don't intend to disprove it. I'm going to sit here and enjoy. Yeah. Well, yeah. But I think it's, if like, if they want to be, if any of these people who are saying these things want to be taken seriously, it is on them to provide the proof of it. And with Lou Elizondo, while he certainly hasn't provided evidence of everything he's claimed, there is a body of evidence over the past almost

10 years now of him having done these things, having released these things, having paperwork suddenly finally get leaked a couple of years ago that confirms he was with a tip no matter what the Pentagon said, because now the F FOIA document got released. Like that's where- The Pentagon said when the program stopped going, they deleted all of their emails. We don't need them anymore. They're not working here.

So they got rid of it all. But then funny enough, every couple of years, some of the stuff comes out. Yeah, it's weird how it's not actually deleted. Like, yeah, so you take what has been true that he says and measure it against a lot of the stuff that he said. And yeah, that still leaves me with I don't know about the remote viewing thing. Right. Like because the way he talks about the UFOs is more nuts and bolts than kind of wooey,

because they have theories about how these things are moving. He tries and bubbles. Basically, what he what he explains is like in the best way that he can is like they're essentially they're not breaking theory of relativity or physics what they're doing is essentially uh and yeah oh man i gotta talk about something after this by the way uh all right for those those are curious who are not seeing this triangle visual version of this uh santel is showing me images of bubbles that i assume are ufos so yeah so basically what it does, they theorize the way this thing works, is it actually is like bending space time in a way. So essentially the way time bubble around a ship.

Yes. And that's why when you get too close to it, you have missing time and stuff like that because it hurts you and your body. It's like more of a just like, like it's you standing next to a furnace and getting burned. Like it's just what happens though, the reactions, whatever happening. So basically what they're saying it's doing is like, it's moving so fast to us. But in reality to them on their inside their ship, everything outside is just moving very slowly as they're moving a normal speed to them because it's just the theory of relatively faster you go the slower time goes like that's just how it works in science. And so they're able to create it by the theory of fuel that they're using is hydrogen potentially. And it's one of the reasons they might be on earth is because water there's so much fucking water they can just pull the hydrogen atoms off of the water to use it to hold because

if you split like a hydrogen atom because that's why they have underwater bases Thank you, Jesse We haven't even gotten to usos yet. Okay He talks about bubbles and that you know a ufo craft The reason why it appears to us to be a ufo is because it's inside the bubble But then if you have a triangle craft, uh, if it's a smaller triangle craft You'll have a bubble on each of the sides, the three lights. But if it's a

large one, then you'll have those and then one in the center. And if it's a boomerang shape, then you'll need to have bubbles all along the end, all along the side of it, i.e. the Phoenix light situation, where you can clearly see the wing and the lights on the side. Well, then those are all like the lights, yeah, they're creating the bubble, basically, they're part of the energy creating. And so when you get close, that's why you get radiation burns.

That's why people get really fucking sick after because it's just the warped space time. And it's like you being phased into two timelines at once, one moving really fast, one moving really slow. In part of his investigation, he had a dinner with a bunch of people from Brazil and met a Brazilian general who brought out a file that had the Brazils photos of an incident that happened, not Virginia, it's the other one, not Ubatuba. What's the, it was in the... Oh, I don't remember man. No, no in the in Brazil. It's the other big case.

They talked to witnesses. He saw photos of these things and it was jaw dropping to have another military person like say these things and be like, oh yeah, they're also looking into this and like throughout the book to like even just names he's talking about like names. He's talking to, like right here, I remember, uh, you just, they, the DOPSR just censored the name of the person. So like, he at least knew the, the security clearance needed to know name of these people

that he's supposedly talking to. And it's like that, that secondary evidence paired with the stuff like he leaked the videos, he, you know, the leaked memo, all this other shit is like, all right. So how much of what you're saying is true? Because are you just crazy with the remote viewing stuff or is there something to it? We know that the government researched remote viewing. Those papers were eventually released via FOIA. Like that was something that they did.

But like, I don't know. It's weird. But go ahead, Santel. I'm sorry. I keep cutting. No, no, no, no. I was just going to say. It's weird, but go ahead, Centel, I'm sorry. I keep cutting in.

No, no, no, no. I was just gonna say, his ultimate thoughts, I feel like, is that this has something to do with consciousness. And our consciousness and the consciousness, the way that you control these crafts, that the skin of the craft is also part of like, it's a biologic thing. Yeah, like it is the thinking thing

and that thoughts happen faster than the speed of light because I'm just thinking it and that that is somehow involved in the moving of these things. I just want to provide any of that. He just simply says, Yeah, this is my thought. These are my thoughts. I just want to say for the record that what you just said, our dear friend Crennore and I send each other tick tocks all the time. And one of them is a man who literally goes, I'm thinking at the speed of thought. I'm ahead of the curve. I see the future. And I want you to know that man is genuinely crazy. And so what you just said we were like

Thought is faster speed of light. I'm like, yep, we're in full crazy territory right now. They are listen I Struggle with this everyday Jesse how much of this shit can I believe and how much of like a normal life can I leave? The deeper you go and the more you learn, the less you can speak to a normal human. Yeah. You're just not relatable anymore. You're just, you're like, I know more than you. I am so intelligent.

He leaves, he leaves the government. They try to ruin him. He loses his house. He's having to live out of a trailer. Two Stars Academy never finds its funding. His wife has to work at Target. He's still like super poor right a trailer. Two Stars Academy never finds its funding. His wife has to work at Target. He's still like super poor right now.

Like he's all fucked. Yeah. And he feels that just like nuclear technology, you and I can't Google how to make a bomb. We're not allowed to buy plutonium, but we are allowed to know that nuclear energy is a thing. And that this is what we can do with it. And they feel that that should be also, that is the thing that you know, hey, if you don't want to say that you have secret spy satellites in Russia and stuff like that, that's fine. You do need to tell people what you found and that you appear real. We are not alone. We really

know what they are. We have no idea where they're from, who they are, what their intentions are with us, other than the wealth of knowledge, or not knowledge, I should say, the anecdotal conversations that people have said of interacting with these things. That's it. That's it. I mean, I mean, I mean, everything else is, there's more stuff in between. He meets a lot of people. And the thing that I see and a lot of people that popo this book is that we're seeing the same names. Hal Puthoff,

he doesn't mention Kit Green, but I think he alludes to him. Eric Davis, we're seeing the same people show up in program after program that are saying that it's not that this is evil or demonic. Oh, he talked about running into the Collins elite within the government, Jesse, and the people that literally within the Congress and Senate and shit that are like old, like old boomers who are hyper Christian, who are like, we don't want you looking into this. We already know what it is. It's demonic.

It's the deceiver. Stop it. You're fucking with the devil. Stop it. All right, but how do we know that they aren't just crazy? Well, that's the thing. But they, those people have the power to cut his funding. Yeah, he's like, listen,

you can believe whatever the fuck you want to believe. I'm telling people this is happening. They need to know about it. Okay. Yeah. Jesse, what do you, how do you feel after learning all of that? Jesse, now that you've now been told the story of imminent, what do you think imminent means? I mean, I think it's the same thing we've said every time we have on his conversations

that some guy somewhere heard a thing, saw a thing, is aware of things. And what does it all mean? Well, it could mean we're going to be invaded or they could be friendly or they may not care. But I don't know, but I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to find out by my book. Like that's roughly the vibe of every single one. And again, I can't be like liar. Like I don't have evidence to accuse anyone of lying. So I can assume that it's a good tale being told. And I don't know. I, you know, I, I don't trust the government enough to be like, Oh, they're definitely not hiding things. Right. But I also don't trust this dude enough to be like, he's definitely 100% telling the truth. So I don't, I don't know.

Honestly. Similarly, I lean more in like, I think, I think I like sort of believe a lot of what he says because of the body of evidence he's built over the past few years. But some of the more wackadoo shit still makes me go, are you just like, I don't, that makes me question it. But maybe, I mean, like if it was real, I would react the same fucking way.

Right. Like you like only way I can do to start to remote view myself and try to fucking figure that out. But yeah, there's no way to know. And it's that's where it's frustrating. It's a book for those who are interested in it. If you're really deep in the UFO world, there's not much new there for you. It's much more of a a pride, I guess, a really good primer on the deeper stuff that has happened that we know and definitely know

have happened. And then stuff that he says has happened. It very much sounds like everything else. And also the politics. Yeah. Yeah. And that's basically his big fucking argument with is like the politics of it all is like, what's preventing it. Everybody's just preventing each other from doing everything else. Cause everybody else says no or yes, and they just don't

all talk to each other. So it's, yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say that is what he is comfortable with saying. And then the question I asked myself is, am I in the Grush camp or the Greer camp and the Grush camp says, listen, they don't know what to do with this. No breakthroughs have happened. They don't, they can't do anything with it. And we are losing out technologically to other countries

that are moving ahead with this. But the Steven Greaves of the world say, they've already figured this shit out. We have alien reproduction vehicles that some of the UFOs are theirs, but some of this shit is ours. And that's some of the UFOs are theirs, but some of this shit is ours. And that's some of the illegality of this. I think that people have been killed

when they show up to find these things in fields. Now, let's say it's theirs or ours. Let's say it's a UFO that we had. Some dumb guy shows up. Some dude shoots him in the head and was like, sorry, commander. I thought he was going to go look at that thing. I think that's part of the illegality of some of this. And I think that's why people have been killed. I think it's dumb dudes on back roads that go missing

because they saw something they weren't supposed to do more than this, like conspiracy. That being said, I there's been proven fact that there have been disinformation camps about UFO people that have gone made them go crazy Richard Doty talked about it in the documentary Mirage Men where they this guy thought he was seeing UFOs The government was like tell him he is seeing UFOs. He went crazy and then I'm killing himself Yeah And that's all part of the Robertson panels like not to kill himself but to like make these people like make it amplify the insanity

Make the crazies crazier and have them be the dominant through line when anybody ever thinks about UFOs. It would just work. Obviously, we talked about it. They had to rebrand UFO to UAP. That being said, that's the end of the book. But we got to end with one last thing because it's driving me crazy. And I almost am mad that it happened to me because of it almost like worse that happened. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Should we say this for the bonus episode?

That's a teaser. That's a teaser. Oh yeah. Okay. We'll say it for the main site. Ladies and gentlemen, did Mike the Mathis, Mathis see a UFO? I'm sorry. UAP. Did it happen? Find out over on where there multiple witnesses. Does he have it on his cell phone? Stay tuned. Everybody finally happened to him. I have answers to everyone. It's true. Well, and I believe that

if you want to see that content, you got to on over to thepatreon.com slash the Chaluminati. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, Chaluminati pod. Bam, you got it. You're better than Alex. Thank you so much. Listen, I know the way Alex does it.

I know how to chill around here. I like coming on this show. All right, we're off to go do a mini-sode. Thank you all so much for listening. Thank you, Jesse, for being the voice of reason in this episode. I try so hard. We will see you guys next week. We appreciate it.

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I don't know who they are. There's two. What? Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer. No! Neo and Trinity. No! I don't understand and I probably never will.

Let me just tell you right now that there's two. Leon Kennedy and Claire Redfield. I'm telling you, I think he literally just looked up famous duos. Cheech and Charles. And has been going through the list ever since. I'm trying to dig deep. Which one of you is Dick Powell? Me?

Your name's Jesse Cox. I want your love, dear I want my, my baby I want your love, dear I want my, my baby I want your Illuminati I want your Illuminati Hello everybody, welcome back to the Jaluminati Podcast. As always I'm one of your hosts Mike Marhen joined by Alex and Jesse. actually a UFO. you