Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 265 - The Lost Lands of Lemuria

Episode Date: September 15, 2024

Jesse, Mike and Alex have covered Atlantis and this week they cover Atlantis distant relative, Lemuria. Is Lemuria an ancient lost land? Or just another myth to add to the pile? MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - ZocDoc - http://www.zocdoc.com/chill GhostBed - http://www.ghostbed.com/chill All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chaluminati podcast episode 265. As always, I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin. Today joined by the Josie and the Pussycat of LA, Alex and Jesse. Jesse is 100% the Pussycat. He knew, I knew that was, I just, yeah, I had a similar, I had a feeling. If there's one character from Fievel Goes West, an American tale that Jesse is. Yeah, that's a big truth right there. That's great.

Welcome to the show, everybody. Welcome. Who is it? Dom DeLuise? I don't know. I can't tell you because I don't know. I can't tell you anything. Jesse would be the only one who would know.

What do you mean by that? I think it's Dom DeLuise in there. I refuse to Google things. I'm pretty sure he was in it. Was was he the cat who then became sheriff? I think I think so. Personally. Sure. All right. In this alternate timeline. And I'm Josie. Yeah, I don't know. I just know that he's the problem. Josie and the pussycats. I'm just two other band members. Guitars and Marshall stacks. Yeah. And you're and you're just the lead singer, but I'm two band members. No, you're well, I called you a pussycat. Yeah. So I'm potentially the drummer. I think it's more of it.

I think I'm Josie from Josie and the Pussycats, but you're just a pussycat. Yeah. You're like you're you know what? You're just Tom Jones. You're I'm Josie and you're Tom Jones. Cool. Anyway, let us know in the comments. Patreon.com slash. Join for free to let us know if Jesse's the Tom Jones of LA. Yeah, I think her Tom Jones is the Tom Jones of LA. But do you know something? He's British. Damn, dude. Got fucked up. Is that fucked up?

Isn't that messed up? Should he not be British? He just doesn't sound very British when he sings. That's all I'm saying. I want to say for the record, I don't know what people at home who are viewing this on the video version see but I don't see Alex anymore So far is it widescreen or not? No, no, it hasn't been widespread for me at all It's been very like profile might be widescreen for the viewers. I see nothing. What do they see?

I see your microphone and even your microphone goes off screen. Just a little bit. What are the patrons? What are the patrons? Probably that probably angle. This looks great in 1080p. Okay. Yeah. When I move the monitor to force it to widescreen, I can see you fine. You're the rule of thirds. I can see what you're doing here. But when you're in good stuff, the people appreciate it when you're in our when it goes normal mode for us I just I'm gonna let you know this man I'm doing this because this man loves to do is like goofy faces and is like And I see him, but I don't see him. I don't see what's going on.

That's the best. It's cinema. I'm sorry. It's cinema. The patrons can see him. We just can't. That's the problem. That's so funny. If you make it a little smaller, like if you make your window a little smaller, you can get all three widescreen bang bang bang. Yeah, if you squeeze the top or bottom until it goes

wider and wider. I don't want to do that. I don't want to squeeze it. Like, if I have my druthers... I am perfectly framed. I don't want to do that. I don't want to squeeze it. Like if I have my druthers. Perfectly framed. I am framed perfectly 24 7, 8 days a week. But that's where I like, you know, sit in my underwear and clip my toes back there. It's a different vibe. That's where you get the Patreon super cut. We don't see it, but you do. All right. Touche. Yeah. Good point. Good point. Don't want to see that. Sometimes the best brand deal is organic and you I'm not. We don't see it but you do. Alright, Touche. Yeah, good point. Good point. Don't want to see that. Sometimes the

best brand deal is organic and you know, it just happens on its own and just. Yeah. And you know, you you know, you would be seeing what we're talking about right now. If. Yeah. If you were there. You were over on Patreon. Yeah, look at that.

Patreon.com. What a website. Boys, are you ready for today's episode? Shall we get right into it? This is the longest script I've put together ever. A single part episode ever. Not a multi-part, just single part. Well, so it's a long one, but I don't think it'll. What will it be long? We talked about it last week.

I told you we're going to do this week. I have forgotten. I I don't think it'll what we'll see if it ends up being long. Then we talked about it last week. I told you we're going to do this week. I have forgotten. I I don't pay attention to the sunken continent, the forgotten world. The Muria, the Muria. Yeah, it's coming back to me now. Nice. Nice. The reason I'm interested is because I'm just trying to imagine what two hours of lemuria is going to be. I'm just trying to I want I'm fascinated what angle you're going to take.

That's the thing I'm excited about. Here's what I'm going to take the angle I always do. So there's no aliens in Lemuria. This is all supposedly kind of the cradle of humanity in a lot of ways. This is some Atlantis shit. The reason I bumped this an extra week for myself because I found and I went through

and was able to detail the origins of Lemuria itself, where and when it started getting crazy and when it started to spiral out of control. You found the last tablets of Lemuria. You know, yes, exactly that. Found the ancient hovercraft of Lemuria. Dinotopia is real. Is that what you're telling me? Yes, it was real. Yeah. But before Lemuria was like a land of ancient wisdom, spiritual giants, crystal powered societies, all it was was actually a desperate attempt to explain why

certain fossils of tiny primates kept showing up in places that scientists said they shouldn't be at least at the time. We're talking the very late 1880s around the when this kind of all cropped up. It was what was just a zoologist search for answers spiraled very quickly into a the tale of the sunken continent cosmic wisdom magical nonsense that makes even Atlantis sound a little bit more sane with some of its explanations.

Do you know much about Lemuria at all? I know I've heard it mentioned so many times by so many different, like you're saying, kind of old-timey folks. Like it's almost like some hokum a little bit. Like it's like early on for sure. Yeah, it feels like a modern version of Atlantis or something like that is what I. It's interesting you say modern for it. We'll talk about it, but it's a different vibe.

What I think about somebody telling me about Lemuria, I'm imagining the fucking dude from the Wizard of Oz that Dorothy runs into right before she goes to us. You know what I'm saying? Like a fucking snake oil salesman telling me about it specifically, like Jules Verne ask people talking to me about Lemuria. So that's why I say more recent, not because it's set. Yeah. You know what I mean? Okay. I got you. More recently has the vibe of like it is we've talked about Atlantis so much and no one has

come forward with anything real. So have you heard about this other more important place? You don't know what you just did to my email. You do just by saying that I'm going to get so many angry emails about people who are so convinced that this is real. That's fine. I'm okay with that. The thing is though, I'm talking about like as someone who listened to Coast to Coast for years, who loved Coast to Coast, who really hasn't listened a lot lately, but used to listen to coast to coast all the

time. One of the things they would do on that show is they would for a long time talking about Atlantis. And then as it became more and more outlandish and weird and more likely to be just a bunch of nonsense, suddenly the Muriel became a thing and it was sort of a new age version of, well, Atlantis is not the real thing we should be talking about Atlantis. They are right. It is stupid. The real thing is Lemuria. And that became a big thing to talk about where it had this sort of new age vibe to it because it was instead of being, you know, ancient, and this city that was talked about by the Greeks.

Instead, it is a city that has crystal power and it is almost futuristic in its ideas of a society and that kind of thing where it's more like Alex was saying, something for today and more modern take on an ancient law society is the vibe that I got. They're probably like socialist and shit like you know what I mean? Like based on what values were popular at the time. It's definitely more modern than Atlantis in a lot of ways and a lot of what you're talking about. Jesse has its roots in the early 1900s, but really kind of spun out of control into weird nonsense in the 1970s is really kind of when it took off and like

reintegrated into New Age Society. There's a point in time where the muria was kind of like not dead, but really just not really much interest in that society from 1930s to the 1970s. The 1970s kind of re-sparked its interest with more kind of just lore added on top of it. So but we're going to start way at the beginning. We're really just going to go through Lemuria from its origins as a weird pseudoscientific

explanation for fossils all the way to the spiritual giants who rule an ancient kingdom filled with technology. Our minds could not simply comprehend. And we begin going back to the mid 1800s. Yeah, come on. It's like magic school bus, but for stupider shit. Yeah, one of those two things. Let me just shout out my sources at the very top here before I fucking forget, by the way.

The main source for this is a book by the name of The Secret Doctrine, which is extremely important in the future. If you go, oh, like, I know that book, then you're a little, you're a layer or two deeper in the occult than I think a lot of other people are out there. We're also going to be talking about Philip Slater's 1864 paper on mammals of Madagascar and a bunch of New Age nonsense as we go through, including Moo theories and the books about Moo written by James Churchward. There's a lot of just nonsense out there and I'm about to fill your fucking mind. The secret doctrine is like one of those like theosophical kind of like cycle cycle. That's what theosophists come from.

My my man. That's where theosophists come from. Yeah, like kind of like New Age, like the like. Do you know who the author is? Oh, you will when you hear the name later. I'm going to bring it up. Don't worry. The last one I want to shout out of my source is a website by the name of Biblioteca Pleiades dot net.

It's as hard to read as it is to simply say it. But it is one of those old websites that's just like a ton of just like archived information about all this shit just stored and blue text on a weird beige background. I love websites like that. Little gifts in the corner here. I'll show you. I'm going to, I'll call up just anybody go to the bibliotheca pliades, Google it, put it in there. But boys, there's your, uh, one is like a rabbit with glitter flowers and one's just like a static picture of a bouquet of flowers,

but the flowers are like sparkling. Yeah. It says happy birthday for some reason. Click on the goddamn link. Information's depot for the searcher. That's not even how you spell that. I mean, it is, I'm waiting for the information's depot for the searcher to start spinning. It's not for going to, because it looks like a geooCities spinning logo. And it knows links up top are going to take you all throughout,

like where you can learn all kinds of useless information. But that's yeah, those are the sources you want to seek them out. Please do. It's like a remote museum for like fringe topics. Yes. Yes. It's a yes. Very good way from that red hot chili pepper song.

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No emergency surgery for my cat. Okay, anyway, here we go. So we're going to start in the mid 1800s. Back then, fossil hunters were making a lot of discoveries across the globe, like constantly. And one curious finding, they kept throwing them off, was what we would know as lemurs, lemur fossils. These things, these small primates were found- Fucking Zaboumafu?

Yes, from Zaboumafu, correct, exactly. Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Chaluminati podcast. Episode 265. As always, I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin today, joined by the Josie and the pussy cat of L.A. Alex and Jesse is 100 percent the pussy cat. You knew I knew that was I just yeah, I had a similar kind of feeling. If there is one character from Fie five will goes west an American tale that Jesse That's

But yeah, we'll show everybody welcome. Yeah, who is it Dom DeLuise? I don't know I you're I can't tell you cuz I don't know I can't tell you anything Jesse would be the only one who know. What do you mean by that? I think it's I think it's Dom DeLuise in there. I refuse to Google things. I'm pretty sure he was in it was was he the cat who then became sheriff? I think I think so personally. Sure. All right. In this alternate timeline and I'm Josie. Yeah, I don't know what that means. I just

know that is the problem Josie and the pussycats. I'm Josie. Yeah, I don't know what that means. I just know that here's the problem. Josie and the pussycats. I'm just two other band members, guitars and Marshall stacks. Yeah, and you're and you're just the lead singer, but I'm two band members. No, you're well, I called you a pussy cat. Yeah, so I'm potentially the drummer. I think it's more of it. I think I'm Josie cat. Yeah. So, I'm potentially the drummer. I think it's more of a, I think I'm Josie from Josie and the

pussycats but you're just a pussycat. Yeah. You're like, you're, you know what? You're just Tom Jones. You're, I'm Josie and you're Tom Jones. Cool. Anyway. Let us know in the comments. Patreon.com slash join for free to let us know if Jesse's the Tom Jones of LA. Yeah, I think your Tom

Jones is the Tom Jones of LA. But do you know something? He's British. Damn, dude. God fucked up. Is that fucked up? Isn't that messed up? Should he not be British? He just doesn't sound very British when he sings.

That's all I'm saying. I want to say for the record, I don't know what people at home who are viewing this on the video version see, but I don't see Alex anymore. Me either. Me, I see his arm and like his shoulder. This man has moved so far to the left. Is it widescreen or not? No, no, it hasn't been widescreen for me at all. It's been very like profile. Might be widescreen for the viewers. I see nothing. What do they see? I see your microphone, and even your microphone goes off screen just a little bit. What are the patrons?

What are the patrons see? Probably that. Probably. Ken, go back to your own angle. This looks great in 1080p. OK. Yeah. When I move the monitor to force it to widescreen,

I can see you fine. The rule of thirds, I can see what you're doing here. But when you're in good stuff the people appreciate it when you're in our when it goes normal mode For us. I just I'm gonna let you know this man I'm doing this because this man loves to do is like goofy faces and is like bit. Yeah, we won't be able to react to it. And I see him, but I don't see him. I don't see what's going on. That's the best. It's cinema. I'm sorry. It's cinema. Patrons can see him.

We just can't. That's the problem. That's so funny. If you make it a little smaller, like if you make your window a little smaller, you can get all three widescreen bang bang bang. Just you if you squeeze the top or bottom until it goes wider and wider. I don't want to do that. I don't want to squeeze it. Like if I had my druthers. Perfectly framed.

I am framed perfectly 24 7, 8 days a week. But that's where I like, you know, sit in my underwear and clip my toes back there. It's a different vibe. That's what you get the Patreon super cut. We don't see it, but you do. All right. Touche. Yeah. Good point. Good point. Don't wanna see that. Sometimes the best brand deal is organic and you know, it

just happens on its own and just. Yeah. And you know, you you know, you would be seeing what we're talking about right now. If. Yeah. If you were there. You were over on Patreon. Yeah, look at that. Patreon.com. What a website website boys. Are you ready for today's episode? Shall we got get right into it? This is the longest Script I've put together ever a single part Episode ever not a multi part just single part. Well, so we'll see it's a long one But I don't think it'll what we'll see if it's possibly long one, but I don't think it'll work. We'll see if it ends up being long.

We talked about it last week. I told you we're going to do this week. I have forgotten. I I don't pay attention to the sunken continent, the forgotten world. The Muria, the Muria. Yeah, it's coming back to me now. Nice. Nice. Yes. The reason I'm interested is because I'm just trying to imagine

what two hours of lemuria is going to be. Well, I'm just trying to I want I hours of Lemuria is gonna be. I'm just trying to, I'm fascinated what angle you're gonna take. That's the thing I'm excited about. Well, here's the, I'm gonna take the angle I always do. So there's no aliens in Lemuria. This is all supposedly kind of the cradle of humanity in a lot of ways.

This is some Atlantis shit. The reason I bumped this an extra week for myself because I found, I went through and was able to detail the origins of Lemuria itself, where and when it started getting crazy and when it started to spiral out of control. You found the last tablets of Lemuria. You know, yes, exactly that. You found the ancient hovercraft of Lemuria. Dinotopia is real. Is that what you're telling me?

Yes, it was real. Is that what you're telling me? Yes, it was real. Yeah, but before Lemuria was like a land of ancient wisdom, spiritual giants, crystal-powered societies, all it was was actually a desperate attempt to explain why certain fossils of tiny primates kept showing up in places that scientists said they shouldn't be, at least at the time. We're talking the very late 1880s, around when this kind of all cropped

up it was what was just a zoologist search for answers spiraled very quickly into a the tale of the sunken continent cosmic wisdom magical nonsense that makes even atlantis sound a little bit more sane with some of its explanations do you know much about Lemuria at all? I know. I've heard it mentioned so many times by so many different like, like you're saying, like kind of old timey folks. Like it's like a, it's almost like some hokum a little bit. Like it's like early on for sure. Yeah.

It feels like a modern version of like Atlantis or something like that is what I, it's interesting to say modern for it. I will talk about it. But it's a different vibe. What I think about somebody telling me about Lemuria, I'm imagining the fucking dude from the Wizard of Oz that Dorothy runs into right before she goes to us. You know what I'm saying? Like, like a fucking snake oil salesman telling me about it specifically, like Jules Verne esque

People talking to me about Lemuria. So that's why I say more recent not because it's Yeah, okay Recently has the vibe of Like it is we've talked about Atlantis so much and no one has come forward with anything real We've talked about Atlantis so much and no one has come forward with anything real. So have you heard about this other more important place? You don't know what you just did to my email. You do just by saying that I'm going to get so many angry emails about people who are so convinced that Atlantis is real. That's fine. I'm okay with that.

The thing is though, I'm talking about like as someone who listened to Coast to Coast for years, who loved Coast to Coast, who really hasn't listened a lot lately, but used to listen to Coast to Coast all the time. One of the things they would do on that show is they would for a long time talk about Atlantis. And then as it became more and more outlandish and weird and more likely to be just a bunch of nonsense, suddenly the Muria became a thing. And it was sort of a new age version of well, Atlantis is not the real thing we should be talking about Atlantis. They are right. It is stupid.

The real thing is Lemuria. And that became a big thing to talk about where it had the sort of new age vibe to it. Cause it was instead of being, you know, ancient and, um, this city that was talked about by the Greeks. And, um, this city that was talked about by the Greeks, instead, it is a city that has crystal power and it is almost futuristic in its ideas of a society. And that kind of thing where it's more like Alex was saying something for today. And more modern take on an ancient law society is the vibe that I got.

They're probably like socialist and shit. Like you think, you know what I mean? Like based on what values law society is the vibe that I got. They're probably like socialist and shit like you think. You know what I mean? Like based on what values were popular at the time. It's definitely more modern than Atlantis in a lot of ways. And a lot of what you're talking about, Jesse has its roots in the early 1900s, but really kind of spun out of control into weird nonsense in the 1970s is really kind of when it took off and like reintegrated into New Age Society. There's a point in time where the muria was kind of like not

dead, but really just not really much interest in that society from 1930s to the 1970s. The 1970s kind of re-sparked its interest with more kind of just lore added on top of it. So but we're going to start way at the beginning. We're really just gonna go through Lemuria from its origins as a weird pseudoscientific explanation for fossils all the way to the spiritual giants

who rule an ancient kingdom filled with technology our minds could not simply comprehend. And we begin going back to the mid 1800s. Yeah, come on, it's like magic school bus, but for stupider shit. Yeah, one of those two things. Let me just shout out my sources at the very top here before I fucking forget, by the way. The main source for this is a book by the name

of The Secret Doctrine, which is extremely important in the future. If you go, oh, like I know that book, then you're a little, you're a layer too deeper in the occult than I think a lot of other people Are out there We're also gonna be talking about Phillips Slater's 1864 paper on mammals of Madagascar and a bunch of New Age

Nonsense as we go through including Moo theories and the books about Moo written by James Churchward There's a lot of just nonsense out there and I'm about to fill your fucking mind the secret doctrine is like one of those like the esophagal kind of like psycho Psycho that's what theosophists come from my hate my man. That's where the word theosophists come from Yeah, like kind of like new age like the like, do you know who the author is? Oh You will when you hear the name later, I'm gonna bring it up. Don't worry You will when you hear the name later. I'm going to bring it up. Don't worry.

The last one I want to shout out of my source is a website by the name of BibliotecaPliades.net. It's as hard to read as it is to simply say, but it is one of those old websites that's just like a ton of just like archived information about all this shit just stored on blue text on a weird beige background. I love websites like that. Little gifts in the corner here. I'll show you.

I'm going to just anybody go to the bibliotheca, please Google it, put it in there. But boys, there's your one is like a rabbit with glitter flowers and one's just like a static picture of a bouquet of flowers But the flowers are like sparkling. Yeah, it says happy birthday for some reason click on the goddamn link Information's depot for the searcher. That's not even how you spell that. I mean it is I'm waiting for the information's depot for the searcher to start spinning information's depot for the searcher to start spinning. It's not going to look like a GeoCities spinning logo and those links up top are going to take you all throughout like where you can learn all kinds of useless information.

But that's yeah, those are the sources you want to seek them out. Please do. It's like a remote museum for like fringe topics. Yes. Yes. It's a very good way from that red hot chili pepper song. It's like a database. From the bleh.

And he's got a big piece. Yeah, hang on. I gotta read this. My cats in the at the vet hang on. I gotta read this real quick and then and Dean can end this out. Will Dean edited out? We'll find out. No.

No emergency surgery for my cat. Okay. Anyway, here we go. So we're going to start in the mid 1800s. Back then, fossil hunters were making a lot of discoveries across the globe, like constantly. And one curious finding, they kept throwing them off, was what we would know as lemurs, lemur fossils.

These things, these small primates. Zabouma foo. Yes, from Zabouma foo. Correct. Exactly that. These small prosimian primates specifically, were found in Madagascar, India and Sri Lanka, but notably absent from the mainland Africa or anywhere in the Middle East. And at the time, biogeography was like a major puzzle.

This was like a major puzzle in the scientific community. Fossils were being unearthed that didn't make sense with their current understanding of how animals were distributed across the globe. Because this was all pre continental drift. They had no idea about continental drift yet. So they were kind of trying to fill in the holes as to how these lands were all connected with sunken pieces of land bridges and all kinds of other explanations trying to make sense as to why fossils were being found, you know, on separate continents,

separated by a huge ocean. Do lemurs have thumbs? Is that what it is? I don't know. I bet you that's what it is, because they probably seem a little bit more like little tiny people because of that. Well, they were just, they were showing up on areas,

like I said, India, Madagascar, Sri Lanka, but that to them, that means they should have also been showing up in Africa in the Middle East because of their landmass theory or whatever, but they couldn't figure it out. Right. In 1864, British zoologist Philip Lutley Sclater, who was primarily focused, I know, I know, it's a fucking mouthful, who was his primary focus was on ornithology, but he was so fascinated by biogeography

that he published a paper titled Mammals of Madagascar, one of the sources in the quarterly journal of science back in the 1860s. In this paper, he posited that Madagascar's unique mammalism fauna, particularly these lemurs, could be explained by a sunken landmass that had once connected Madagascar to India. And with the creativity of what I would consider, you know, any scientist, he named this land, what else?

But Lemuria, because he found lemurs everywhere. So Lemuria. So Lemuria is just named after fucking lemurs? Yes, sir. That is ex- Zaboumafou is the same as Lemuria? I get, yeah, in a weird way. Yes, correct. Did they know they were lemurs? Yes, they knew what they knew.

They were lemurs and that they were these were animals and they just couldn't figure out why they were where they were distributed on the land masses at the time. Yeah, his hypothesis was entirely about explaining the fossil distribution of lemurs. He this this this thing just to clarify like later wasn't talking about any ancient civilization or even humans at all when he brought up Lemuria. This was literally specifically him trying to put a hypothesis forward to explain the distribution of lemur fossils. That's all it was at the beginning. He wasn't making things up for fun.

He wasn't grappling with a serious puzzle that other scientists may have noticed as well. Madagascar as an island had been isolated for so long that it developed a kind of different ecosystem. There were animals, especially lemurs, that didn't fit into the usual biogeographic patterns. And lemur fossils or closely related species had been found not only in Madagascar, but like I said, in India and Sri Lanka.

And this all brought up the question to them how these primates ended up being in such far flung places without a clear migration path forward. So yeah, like I said, this is all pre plate tectonics. Then a man by the name of Alfred Wegener, who would later champion the idea of continental drift, wouldn't propose this until the early 20th century. So there are decades that go by that these sunken continents... The concept of... Nobody's, like, thinking about that South America and Africa look suspiciously...

Like they would fit together? Yeah. Yeah, no, not at all. So it was just... And it was going through the scientific community, like, kind of just... It was the best thing they had at the time. Then we moved to the mid 19th century, which was still kind of a weird time for you for geology and natural history. But Continental Drift had been proposed in the early 20th century. But in Sclater's time, it was still decades away.

Like I said, this is why the all the shit kind of popped up. So when Slater theorized a sunken continent connecting Madagascar and India, it wasn't new or strange to 19th century singers thinkers at all. This was just a very common trope in scientific and pseudo scientific circles back then. Landmass is sinking like boats. Some of the sunken land masses is like, you think it's great concept of how land masses are formed or did they know? And they just assumed, yeah, they just fall into the ocean all the time. I don't think they understood how land masses were formed yet. I think that's the plate tectonics is when they start to understand, you know, when they kind of crushed together, that's when land gets pushed upward. And that's how you get islands and shit. Right, right, right, right. So that didn't. Yeah, I don't think they at all thought. So never mind an island sat on the water. Yeah. And then it would sink. And then it would just go down. And that's what everything was doing.

Or maybe maybe oceans rose in that like kind of sunk the island. You know, maybe that's I guess if you're thinking if you're if you're thinking at baseline that all land is floating on the ocean, the idea of it sinking makes a lot more sense. You know what I mean? Like at that point, anything's possible because they are basically boats. And you're not diving, like no one's deep diving. How can we know? Right.

No, they're not. They can't. Right. So you can see the land a little bit, but you're not going out deep into the ocean where it's dark and then swimming down to the point where you can see that the land is still connected going all the way down. You're just like, you're in the water. Yeah. You're like on a boat, you know, wouldn't boat sailing across the sea for two months. And you're just like looking at lands like they just must float on the water. That's just what they fucking do. This

is all basically just me to say like this during this time This wasn't like a bizarre or weird theory This is just very common and it's just because specifically of the lemurs being in Madagascar like nowhere else So for a brief time Scalators theory actually gained some traction the geological community found the idea of submerged continents plausible and in the late 1800s a man by the name of Ernst Hackel, a German biologist. Why are there so many Klingons involved in this?

German, how dare you? Oh, right. I know a German biologist, an early Darwinist, even endorsed Lemuria. Lemuria might have faded into obscurity had it not been for him actually endorsing it in the late 1880s. This gave it just a bit more life to it. He was a huge fan of Darwin's theory of evolution and used the idea of Lemuria to begin to explain how humans had evolved. And it's through Hackel that we start to see some of the more lore of Lemuria start to

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And this is how this is what he used to theorize why Lemuria was maybe the cradle of humanity. He imagined that racism and pseudoscience that'll never come back. I'm by this in the whole God. No, this is only back in the 1800s. He imagined that proto humans are earliest ancestors had lived on Lemuria and then spread out across the globe. He even went so far as to suggest that Lemuria could have been the cradle of the human race proposing that an ancient population

of ape men quote unquote live there before the land mass sank. It's important to note that his theories, though, like I said, were steeped in racial pseudoscience, like just completely. We're not going to go into the details of this shit. Is it because they were finding skeletons of people that were like, boy, this seems pretty old. And it was in places where you wouldn't think there would be people. There's got to be, they have to have come from somewhere else. Like there's like, well, I don't. Yeah, he basically sold Skeleton from Africa.

That's that does not. I like that. And aren't and aren't all men eight minutes correct. Yeah, but like this is until he was a Darwinist at the time. But get to keep like cut me. Do I not? They're trying to remember this picture. So the quote, quote, missing link, right?

Like trying to figure out where we got to, where we were at that time. And so Hackel took the opportunity to grab onto Lemuria as a science and a genuine scientific hypothesis. And he used Lemuria to fill in his blanks of evolutionary, his evolutionary theory, which at the time had a fuck ton of gaps in it. They were just still very much trying to figure it out.

And without fossil evidence of for early human ancestors at the time, Hackel's imagination and the concept of a sunken land seemed like just a logical extension of Darwinism to him. And this was how humans got brought into the land of Lemuria as just an idea. Unfortunately for Slater and fans of lost continents

as a whole, Lemuria as a scientific idea didn't last much longer. By the early 20th century, Lemuria as a scientific idea didn't last much longer. By the early 20th century, Lemuria started to lose its scientific credibility because Alfred Wegener's theory of continental drift proposed in 1912, which gave about 40-ish years to Lemuria being a continent, like as a sunken continent to kind of percolate through scientific circles.

This offered a much better explanation for the distribution of species across different continents. Wegener suggested that continents themselves have once been connected in a supercontinent, Pangea, which eventually broke apart. This movement of continents explained why similar fossils could be found on distant landmasses without the need for all of these sunken continents that should be fucking at the bottom of every ocean at this point Like what happened like like Magneto came and like ripped a hole in that shit, and it fell down I don't know what I don't know how it would have sunk like they don't I don't I didn't go deep into the Scientific theory is like so why they thought they sunk that was just enough for me

And once plate tectonics and continental drift became widely accepted by mid 20th century, the idea of Lemuria as a real place vanished from serious scientific discourse fucking entirely. However, by then it was already too late and the name Lemuria had been picked up by occultists and mystics alike. And one person in particular would give rise to the mysticism and the lore around the supernatural version of Lumiere that we know today. A woman by the name of Madame Blavatsky.

Do you know Madame Blavatsky, Alex? Yeah, that's what I said earlier. That was my guess. It's just one of those names that you recognize, because I used to go to the Psychical Research. Oh yeah, then yeah, you absolutely would have come across our Cult Religion section of the LA Library. If you are in Los Angeles and you want to have a good time,

go to the Central Library downtown. The downtown is kind of like not what you would expect in Los Angeles if you're not from Los Angeles, but that library has so many books just like this and Blavatsky is one of those things that you always see and that people are always talking about. I don't, I haven't really delved into it myself. I'm not really like a true believer or anything, but it's some interesting stuff. I will one day do an episode on her book, The Secret Doctrine. And I would love to one

day do a deep dive into her, but like that requires a lot more time and a lot more, and I would need Deanna hard on that. But we'll talk about her one day in great detail, because she is a fascinating figure in history and what she did to the New Age in like mystical cult movement. But for those who don't know who she is, let me just give you a very brief kind of synopsis on her.

Her name was Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky. She was a Russian mystic, author, co-founded the Theosophical Society in 1875. She was born in 1831 in what is now Ukraine, and she led a life shrouded in essentially mystery, filled with claims of spiritual enlightenment, travels to the furthest corner of the world, and encounters with the hidden masters of ancient wisdom.

And the hidden masters alone are such a fascinating part of her life, which we can't dive into right now. Whether or not these all these adventures were real is widely up for debate. But what's clear is that Blavatsky had a profound influence on the world of Western Esotericism, Esotericism and occultism. She was known for her flamboyant personality, vast knowledge of religious and spiritual traditions, and her ability to blend Eastern and Western philosophy

into something that felt both ancient and new by the magical art of bullshitting. The woman was so fucking good at just making up shit that could tie two seemingly disparate ideas together in a way that if you just don't think about it too hard, it makes sense in that kind of weird esoteric way. She was just, she was so like she was impressively good at it. You know, this may surprise you, but I know a thing or two about this art form myself. Do you? Wow, I thought you were just a man of knowledge and education. What are you trying to say exactly? No. Huh? What is the implication? What am I trying to say? Trying to say that maybe there's a line between entertainment and education and advertising that I like to call advertisement. You can learn more about that though. I think it's Pat Patrion, right? Yeah. Patreon dot com slash. So my part is a great place to start.

You could listen to the Greenstone. That's not real. Greenstone episode. Sorry. I think they're real. It's real. It's just strong together. You know, I had to do the work there. And also, you know, you could check out my the the the current episodes of my H8 octology, which are out there that you can find if you want to know. I don't. So all kinds of stuff, all kinds of exciting stuff.

It's as good. As you're saying, you I'm just saying me and Blavatsky, yeah, we're we were some kind of go. That's all I'm. Yeah, we're yeah, I understand this. This person just I get it. Yeah, yeah, you get her. Just say it. Listen, Jesse, I have a feeling when we do go deep into Madame Lovatsky one day, you I feel like are gonna resonate with her in a way you did not realize. We're gonna talk a little bit about her,

but not the dude, and she's a multi-part like deep dive. She's fascinating. By the way, I know we're talking Lemuria. Are we gonna get into the land of Moo at all? Yes, we are at the end. Oh, I'm so excited. Okay, absolutely. Okay. Um, so she, by the way, for those who are curious, as Mathis was saying earlier, if you do look up Lemuria, because he said we're not going to get into what happened to Lemuria and why it is that we are like, we are like how you're not going to go into the mythological reasons as to why the thing vanished. What I'm saying is, if you look it up, you're just going to see mythological reasons as to why a thing vanish Well, I'm saying is if you look it up, you're just gonna see the real reasons you're gonna see like yeah

No, uh content drift science determined that that was a lie like No real discussion on it that exists I have to go to bibliotheca pleades net to get the real truth, right? Right, right? It's the only place you can most Most of it is in Spanish though. Fair warning. Yes, it is. You have to, there's some English parts, but you just gotta navigate a little bit. Listen, it was difficult.

Let me, we've gotta get through this. So yeah, in the late 19th century, she really was huge in igniting the modern occult movement by promoting the idea that all world religions shared a common root of ancient spiritual truth. And it was up to the enlightened few to uncover it. And she's often credited as one of the early figures to popularize concepts like karma, reincarnation,

and spiritual evolution out in the West, though she mixed them with a hefty dose of her own interpretation. Blavatsky and her followers believed in the existence of secret knowledge, which could only be passed down by the masters accessible only to those who were spiritually awakened and that humanity was part of a grand cosmic plan directed by beings, higher beings. And all of this is the secret doctrine is basically

her giant like it's a dense two-volume book that attempts to explain the origins of the universe, the evolution of humanity, and the hidden spiritual truths that she claimed under lie all religions across the world from the beginning of time the book draws heavily on Eastern Philosophies like Hinduism and Buddhism Western Esotericism ancient mythologies from all over the world and brings it all fucking together to create a vast mystical framework of our understanding of the cosmos that only the most enlightened could truly Understand don't forget to breathe Most that only the most enlightened could truly understand don't forget to breathe There you go. You're in there my heart started going and I felt like I might actually like take a hit of your

Piece I felt like I was ascending in the moment. I just thought I was gonna go but get your head. Here's a mega simplified Super basic rundown of some of the key ideas of the secret doctrine. And this one day we are I will tackle this one day fully. First, you have to know the secret doctrine into the idea of the root races. Humanity evolves through a series of seven root races. Each race represents a step in spiritual evolution and these races existed on now lost continents like Lemuria and Atlantis.

This fucking Xenoblade Chronicles? What's going on here? It might be. It might. Might be. Well, according to just based on what you actually I think you're going to say it. All right. You may be. Oh, well, according to Blavatsky, we're currently part of the fifth route race, the Aryan race.

The Blavatsky uses the term predates. No, the use of her turn, Rarian, predates its association with the 20th century definition of it. It was more of the old definition of it. Sure, yeah, no, sure, sure, sure, sure. But you can see how very quickly... Just like the Nazi swastika, right? The swastika wasn't a swastika before it was a swastika, but... Binging, but that's exactly correct, right?

But you're saying it has since changed. It has, it has, yeah. Unfortunately for everyone. Another core idea is cosmic evolution. Blavatsky posited that the universe is cyclical, with long periods of creation and destruction akin to the Hindu concept of the yugas. Everything, and we're about 450, I think 445,000 years away from the ending of our current yuga cycle. I'm sorry, how long long 445,000 years?

Oh God, I thought that was I thought I have to worry about that. Yeah. Well, you might maybe we'll figure out immortality before we die. We're going to have to do it. Yeah, everything before we die will live forever. Everything is if we don't do die, we'll live forever. Everything is...

If we don't do that, we might not figure it out. Right, right, right. Well, we might, yeah. You know what? You're actually very correct. To her, everything is part of a cosmic plan and spiritual building, not buildings, they could live in spiritual buildings. Spiritual beings, which she called Mahatmas or ascended masters, are there guiding humanity's

progress. And then there's the esoteric knowledge that Blavatsky believed that the wisdom of the ancients had been lost or hidden over time, but it could be accessed through spiritual enlightenment and esoteric study in the theosophical society aimed to recover and spread this esoteric knowledge. That's like the basic core three ideas of the book, the secret. Do we know what came before the Aryans in this? I...

Like, I'm really worried that we're gonna find out, like, the lowest level, you know, like, you know, it's not gonna be, like, comforting. Like, whatever you are imagining, I'm sure it's not gonna be great. First root race is known as... This is how we all started. This is, this is how we all started according to her, according to just Blavatsky. This has nothing really to do with the ancestors. We go through. This is the lowest form of humanity. Yes. So each root race.

So according to her writings, the seven root races that are on earth, each root race is divided into seven sub races. Only five root races have appeared so far. The sixth is expected to emerge in the twenty eighth century. And Francis Bacon, who whom Theosophy considers to be the legendary Count of Saint Germain and his work, the New Atlantis from 1627, describes a potential future. I've seen the show, Castlevania. You tell me, Count St.

Germain is surprising in that show. He he describes a potential future civilization which lives on a land called the Ben Ben Salam. But anyway, here's the mommy Ben Salam, Ben Salam or Ben Salem. I don't know. I mean, is the great deli. Ben's is probably Salam or Ben Salem. I don't know how you say it. Great telly. Ben says, yeah, it's like on Second Street. Great.

I'm going over the quick, the seven, the root races real quick. OK, first root race, the Polarians, they're the first. The first root race was ethereal. That means they were composed of a theory. They were ethereal. They were a concept of a race. I don't have a race. I have just a concept of a race.

Yeah. They reproduced by dividing like Amoeba and Earth was still cooling at that time. The first mountain to arise out of the storming primeval ocean was Mount Maru. The second root race were the Hyperboreans. They were they lived in the land of Hyperborea. The second or they lived in the land of Hyperb hyper Boria the second race was colored golden yellow and Included what is now northern Canada Greenland Iceland Scandinavia northern Russia and Kempchak the climate was whoa whoa I'm assuming She has accounted of course for continental drift and Pangea No, she was writing the ship before that came out. Otherwise, just

the Canadians were the same. You know what? That checks out. I'm all right with it. It does. It does. But the climate was tropical because earth had not yet developed an axial tilt yet. And the esoteric name of their continent is Plaxa. They called themselves Kim Pursus with and they reproduced by budding like a plant or laying eggs. The third, why did you say it like that? I don't know if they had a choice or just how many or the third race. Wait, whoa, time out.

Yeah, I will say if you want the inside scoop on this, go watch the Super Mario Brothers movie from the nineties. They lay eggs. They are hyper boring. Yeah, they literally are. I think. Yeah, that's pretty much soft disclosure. Oh, sure. Race.

The third race were the lemurians. These lived in Lemuria. Obviously we'll be talking much more about them. So I'm going to leave that alone. Then the fourth race were the Atlanteans. They obviously and had the habit of Atlantis. We talked about the race. We talked about the race.

We talked about the race. We talked about the race. We talked about the race. We talked about the race. We talked about the race. We talked about the. So I'm going to leave that alone. Then the fourth route race were the Atlanteans. They obviously had the habit of Atlantis. We talked a bunch about them about a hundred. Now we're more like, now they're banging and stuff, right? Atlanteans are like, they're more human-esque. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're banging and shit. They're not. And the, the Atlanteans had their seven different root races. I'm not going to talk about those. Uh, we'll talk about that when we do this book in full fifth root race

Aryan race. That's what we are now. Um, according to her, which the office believed to have emerged from previous, the previous three race. So we come from the Atlanteans about a hundred thousand years ago. That's, that's like where we come from. Then you've got the sixth root race, which has no name. According to CW Leadbeater, a colony will be established in Baja, California by the Theosophical Society under the guidance of the masters of ancient wisdom in the 20th century for the intensive,

selective eugenic breeding for the sixth root race. And then the intensive, selective eugenic breeding for the sixth route race intensive selective eugenic breeding will commence in Baja, California Because it seemed like a fucking chill place at the time and weed was very cheap and bountiful there It's then it's there in Baja, California that the master moira will physically incarnate in order to be the menu Progenitor of this new root race. He's going to bang everybody into giving up. Hold up. Is Baja Blast soft disclosure?

Guys, are we is it is Taco Bell in on this? And then the seventh root race, which hasn't happened yet either. This root race will arise from the seventh sub race of the sixth root race on the future continent that the sixth route race will be living on. Are you Marjorie Taylor Green's campaign manager? What is going on? Alex Fossiani right?

This part you doing? Is that number this Alex create the seventh? Like it feels like is that? Oh my God is Alex leading us us what if all of his stories going to unite where he's like I am the leader of the seventh tribe of the six whole thing is just a giant drag quest for yeah he is the Manu I'm the master mold he's gonna take us to uh the continent so a continent is gonna arise out of the ocean for this race. And they're going to call it push Kara push.

Kara rise. And my children. Oh, we're evolving. Alex, what are you wearing when you when you take over the world? And nothing. Oh, yeah, fair enough. Baja makes way more sense now. All of it's coming together. He's going to go to Baja, Manu it up and then come back

400000 years later and you like you on Manu. Rise my island. Yeah. This race will be the very last race to appear on planet Earth. And theosophist Scott Ramsey predicts that any sexual differences among humans will cease to exist and conception and birth will become entirely spiritual. So we'll have fully ascended. Um, what's the people in my child be a spirit? That's a, I mean, that's a great question for taking care of a spirit like kids Yeah

Do you think that's what the engineers in Prometheus Prometheus in that movie. Yes, they're the seventh root race. We brought no because the engineers created humanity Look, yeah, that's true. Why would you want to start the cycle again? True. And then this Scott, Scott, Scott Ramsey also wrote that humanity will have a great spiritual development saying, quote, everything that is irredeemable, sinful and wicked, cruel and destructive will have been eliminated. And that which is found to survive will be swept away from being

owing, so to speak, to a karmic title wave in the shape of scavenger plagues, geological convulsions and other means of destruction. And of Ava, is that what's happening here? We were talking about the space between us all and the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion. After we become the spiritual like new being, we will be migrating off of planet earth to the planet mercury I'm vibing with other than the Aryan shit. I mean I'm into this other than I'm into this I'm into the idea of mercury. I miss the idea of an uninhabitable mercury

You love that's right, and you're gonna lead us there.'re literally the one who's taking us there it's in to mercury my babies and yeah and our spirits will sort of glom on to you glom my babies glom all the way to mercury you'll launch like a rocket up to mercury yeah right out of my butt glom on glomom my children, glom, glom like you've never glom. That's how I realized the word glom sucks. Now that I hear it so much, I'm like, you just realized now that that word is popular. Glom is the moist of attaching yourself to someone. One extra word you've got, I mean, one extra letter rather and you've got glomping. Glomping, I don't know what that is, but I like it.

You're going to get glomped on, dude, by a bunch of weebs in the early 2000s. So they hang on you and like gnaw like gum on your sleeve and shit. So nasty. Oh, go on. And there's glamping. Where were you in the early 2000s? Dude, I was I was probably making out with girls. OK, actually here.

Yeah, probably be parties. I was playing rock music, bro. Yeah, Ed of cowboy bebop Ed Glomps constantly the way Yeah, I know what you're talking about We gotta go Blavatsky Central to her so obviously central to her cosmology was the concept of the root races and the Lemurians were one of them So as it falls away from scientific relevance so enters Blavatsky's Central to her cosmology was the concept of the root races and the Lemurians were one of them. So as it falls away from scientific relevance, so enters Blavatsky's interpretation

to start kind of gaining more traction. She described the Lemurian race as giant, androgynous, spiritually advanced beings who lived millions of years ago when the earth was a very different place. She wrote that Lemuria had existed across the Pacific and Indian Oceans, encompassing parts of what we now think of as Australia, the Pacific Islands, Madagascar, and even parts of Africa.

Whoa. OK, hold on. I'm going to imagine Garry's Ficarion. Sorry. Hold up. What the hell does this content look? So you're telling me it starts in the Indian Ocean. Yeah.

Then goes to Australia, then up sort of like to Southeast Asia and then into the Pacific. Yeah. Yeah. I look like Alfred E Newman's face if you zoom out. That's that's why it was able to have huge civilizations just disappear because there was so much land that was like connecting at all. It sounds like the opposite. That's like it was no crazy. Her there was no this like Miria wasn't a simple land bridge. It was now the cradle of spiritual humanity where the first truly sentient, intelligent beings lived. But this place was huge.

Wouldn't some of Southeast Asia and Australia still be considered land from that? Or did it come later to Jesse is understand that reality is from the perspective of the person experiencing it. And while you look at a map and say that seems impossible, us, us who have opened our third eye can see reality for what it is. Is malleable. History is written by the stoners, my man. Sounds like alternate facts. I don't know that I like it. That's the best guy because they're customizable to your needs. Right. Right. Right. We can change them up when needed. Easy.

Which again goes to how reality is merely perceived by the one experiencing. Give me whatever you want to be. We'll get to it when we talk about the secret docking one day. Yeah, just blow and fuck the people's minds. So according to Blavatsky, Lemurians started as that androgynous beings both male and female and reproduced through egg laying. As they spiritually evolved, they eventually became more sexually distinct and took on physical forms that were far more solid quote unquote than their earlier more ethereal selves. The Lemurians were, according to Blavatsky,

deeply connected to the spiritual realms. They had psychic powers, including telepathy, and were in touch with cosmic wisdom. However, they were also less evolved compared to later races like the Atlanteans and eventually modern humans, particularly in their intellectual and technological development.

Jesse, did I cut you off before you were about to say something? I thought you were about to gear up to say something. No, I'm always geared up to say something, but please continue. Yeah, in Blavatsky's telling of Lemuria, Lemuria didn't last forever, because that would be too simple, and she needs time to create 100,000 years or a million years of war. No, Lemuria had to meet also a tragic end like all good lost civilizations have to. Over time, the Mirians allegedly began to degenerate, moving away from their lofty spiritual pursuits and into more material concerns.

You'd I degenerate all the time, bro. It was sounds a lot like humans, right? Right. So that's the moral then is what we're getting here is that at one point in time there were spiritual creatures and then they generated into like physical beings that needed, you know, like a nice house.

They became so obsessed with the physical world that they lost their psychic powers and fell into moral and spiritual decay and that's what you tell people who join your society that if you go back to that, you will gain the psychic powers that I possess that kind of thing.

Yep. Bingo. Jesse, see, you're gonna, I think there's a lot of Scientology though right now. There's a world where Jesse is Sir Blavatsky out there somewhere. There's a world where if the evil version of me would use all I know, I must stress, if there was some sort of like I as a me now transport back to 10 year old me and get to live my life over again. God help everyone. I would be a monster. I would use all I know for evil. All the morals of a 10 year old. Oh, it'd be the worst. It's yeah, that would be bad. Yeah. So she painted Lemuria's fall as a cosmic warning. Jesse bingo.

When a society prioritizes materialism over spiritual growth, it is doomed. And eventually Lemuria sank beneath the waves, not because of some geological catastrophe, but because the spiritual failures of its people. The land itself was said to have broken apart due to volcanic activity and floods sinking into the ocean as a symbol of their decline. It has it has some resonance with a lot of what we see even today, where if you want to say what's wrong with society, you just say we lost our spiritual way. Yeah. And the more you say that, like, how do you defend against that? Because you can just say vague things all the time that are true. Like just hint that you had was better in the past and that you're trying to make it better now than it was then. Maybe. But that's the thing is like, it's always as progress moves forward,

there's always going to be things that are left in the past that people miss. And if you just tune into that and you're going to get some people to be like, yes. And so absolutely, I can imagine the scenario in which she got people involved, where they saw all the different problems with their lives. And then she was like, if we just returned to if you gave up all your physical things to me, I will give you the spiritual power you need. It's very Lameria great again. Right. As it's sinking. Yeah. So make Lameria float again. So we're gonna dive deep into Lameria as a civilization of giants. And this is really where crazy new age Lameria

is it kind of takes off. She, Madame Blavatsky kind of turns Lemuria into a place of unlike any land you'd imagine. And of course, your imagination is permanently set to cosmic fantasy like hers. It gets fucking pretty fucking crazy. So according to Blavatsky in the secret doctrine, the Lemurians were not merely taller than humans, but gigantic. They were half ethereal. They stand they stood between 12 and 15 feet in high

Ethereal why are they a height well? They're they're a mix they're they're like partially ethereal. They're like somewhat physical somewhat ethereal like a four-head ghost Right, I feel like you know at the end of the movie yoda's they're all different heights, but they're all spirits. Yeah, yeah Okay, that's all right. Yeah, It's a good way to describe it. All right. I think spirit Yoda would be like, he showed me like seven feet tall. I am bitches. Yeah. Like, I am huge. Yeah. Um, their size was meant to symbolize their spiritual superiority and closeness to divinity and they were not yet weighed down by the dense materialism that would later characterize

humanity. This idea fits into a broader framework that we'll talk about one day else. One of the most unusual aspects of their society was as described by Blavatsky is that they were initially androgynous. That is, they possessed both male and female qualities physically and this reflected their status as beings who were still close to the divine essence which in itself is asexual. It has no, it is not either male nor female. But

as they evolved, but as they devolve, they begin to split into male and female question. Does this in this society's belief there is no biblical origin story or there is no uhal origin story it is right up just like this is it all that other stuff lies. Yep. Correct. Yep bingo She believed in their early stages of the civilization the lemurians reproduced through a process of a sexual reproduction Liking it to like I said budding like a plant or egg laying process

Seen in plants and animals so animals. So the first two groups. These are the whatever this is still the Lemurians, but early version of Lemuria. But I'm saying like before that you were saying that the other there was the like ethereal beings split. And then there was the people in Canada who became buds or laid eggs. Like there was. Yeah. And then moving into a process like in a process. Now we're still that we're still in bug bud egg laying territory, but we're still there. Just forming dicks. Yep. Yep.

Exactly that. Um, as, as they evolved spiritually and physically, they eventually split into sexuality, uh, sexually distinct beings, uh, and reproduction became more of what we now know as for us human beings. The Lemurians were not only physically giant, but they were also giant in terms of spiritual power. She described them as possessing psychic abilities and intuitive wisdom far beyond what modern humans could possibly achieve. Their connection to the spiritual planes was strong,

meaning they could communicate through telepathy rather than spoken language. And in fact, Blavatsky's Lemurians had no need for speech in the early stages of their existence at all. They transmitted thoughts and ideas directly through mental projections. And in Blavatsky's view, the Lemurians were intimately connected to the earth in a way that modern humans are not. They understood that the planet's natural energies and rhythms and were capable of manipulating the elements through sheer will. They're like Storm from the X-Men. This wasn't-

Oh, Cetra from Final Fantasy seven. Yes. Yes. This wasn't done with any kind of technology, but just through mental and spiritual power. Their relationship with the natural world was was symbiotic. They were stewards of the Earth's energies rather than exploiters of its resources. Blavatsky and subsequent Theosophists often discussed that the Lemurians is having powers beyond the physical plane as part of their connection to the spiritual realm. they were thought to be an adept at astral projection.

Astral projection is the idea that the soul or consciousness can travel outside of the body and navigate different dimensions or planes of existence. The Lemurians, according to these myths, could project their consciousness across great distances, even communicating with higher spiritual beings or Mahatmas who lived on the higher planes. Some esoteric traditions expanded this idea, suggesting that the Lemurians could travel through dimensions and even shift between realities. This power allowed them to move through time and space in ways that is just like superhero levels of ability to bend shit. Lemuria itself, as imagined in theosophical lore, was a vast, beautiful land that stretched across much of the Indian and Pacific oceans. Blavatsky and later occultists claim that it spanned parts of modern day Australia,

Southeast Asia, Madagascar, Pacific Islands, the Kauai and Easter Island. Lemuria was a land in rich natural resources, and its people were said to live in harmony with nature, unburdened by the material concerns that plague modern societies. Although Blavatsky didn't provide extensive details on the architecture or everyday life of the Lemurians, later theosophists, people of her teachings and occultists, built upon her ideas, describing Lemurian cities as being vast and grand, though not in the technological sense. Instead of using physical tools, Lemurian supposedly constructed their cities using

psychic forces with buildings that were often described as crystal like structures that radiated spiritual energy. So all those shops. Yeah. Yeah. It's like crystal shops, but you just make them building size and everybody's fucking peace and love and everywhere and just mostly naked I'm gonna imagine destiny. Okay. I haven't played much of destiny. So I'm gonna picture the dreaming city of destiny How about that? Okay, you know, that sounds nice. That's where I'm going in my head. Okay Some accounts influenced by the Vatsky's teaching describe Lemuria as a place where everything was in harmony with nature Their cities weren't built to dominate the landscape, but rather to exist in perfect

balance with the natural world. These later interpretations often blend Lemuria with esoteric ideas, adding details like temples of crystal, vibrating energy centers, and places for spiritual enlightenment, like buildings specifically where you go to become spiritually enlightened. The Lemurians had no need for physical tools or technologies, instead they just used their psychic powers for everything. They could even communicate with animals, control the weather, and teleport at the peak of their ability. They could fucking just teleport all over the place. Now we do have an idea of like what they ate apparently. Another interesting detail in the mythology surrounding Lemuria is the idea that Lemurians were vegetarians,

or more accurately, they subsisted on a purely plant-based, plant-based spiritual diet. What the hell does that mean? Ethereal plants too? That's a fascinating question, because she didn't dive very deeply into what this meant. But later, theosophical writers kind of came in and tried to like translate maybe her nonsense a bit.

And they said that Lemurians lived off of the natural fruits and energies of the earth absorbing what they needed directly from the ether. Some even described the Lemurians as needing very little food at all since their bodies were ethereal and light not weighed down by the densest the densest form of physical matter. This idea of nonviolent peaceful existence tied into the larger narrative of the Lemurians were more pure and connected to the cosmos

than the later fallen civilizations like the Atlanteans. When Lemuria went down to, I forgot to mention this when we're talking about it's going under the ocean initially, not all the Lemurians died. There were those who survived, and those who survived were the ones that would end up becoming Atlanteans and moving into Atlantis. So like Atlantis came after Lemuria sank. According to Blavatsky. How do they you know what? I'm going to ask. I was going to ask how do they get to Atlantis?

Yeah, it's a lot of a lot of Lemuria might have been just very long and thin. Like very long it went from the Indian Ocean all the way around Listen you can do a lot with long and thin nothing wrong with that just saying out there in the world for the aliens I feel like this is for the aliens. This is just for me. It's for me. All right. I'm long I'm gonna break like a tiny little pencil like it's just it's painful As time passed Blavatsky described how the Lemurians did actually begin to lose their spirit. Stop shaking your head. I will continue to shake my head at you.

As time passed, Blavatsky described how the Lemurians began to lose their spiritual purity. They became more physical, their bodies became denser, and their spiritual abilities weakened over time. Really starting to feel Scientology. Yeah, a little bit. Yes. Really starting to get this was reflected not only in their psychic abilities, but also in their society as a whole. The once androgynous giants became more focused on physical reproduction and

worldly concerns, which marked the beginning of their spiritual decline. I mean, sex, you know, they got a taste of sex and like, you know what, like powers. Pretty cool. I must admit, I would love to know in this version of the origin of man, what the first, you know, their spiritual beings, their, their ethereal, what was the first smooch like the first time any of these people had sex where they were like smooch. Were they just like grossed out? Like what's the vibe here? Yeah. I probably know they wanted to do that. Did someone fall on top of the other? And then it like, you know, like, Whoa, that's like, what was the vibe? You got

peanut butter, my chocolate? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just like peanut butter cups. Yeah. This shift in their nature also led to changes in how they interacted with the world around them no longer able to simply project their will onto others or onto nature. The lemurians have developed more physical tools and methods for building and survival. The telepathic powers would then it was like a never ending cycle of their powers weakening. And they began to rely more on tools and then verbal language.

And their decline is portrayed as both a biological and spiritual descent into materialism. Teaching that lesson, like you said, Jesse, the very beginning is like, was this all about material? Yeah, exactly that. For Blavatsky, the Lemurians were more than just a lost race though They were a crucial step in the evolution of humanity spiritual journey as a whole to the seventh root race She believed that each root race represented a new phase in the cosmic development of the human spirit and with lemurians serving as the bridge between purely spiritual beings and of the first root races and the more material

humans of the later root races. So like in other words, Lemurian symbolized a point at which that they became both because Lemurians were kind of both to begin with and then they be slowly became physical. They're like the missing link of the root races connecting the spiritual and the physical versions of themselves. This idea of Lemurians as giants wasn't just about their height, like I said, their spiritual stature, and as they began to condense physically and became shorter, so too did their spiritual stature and no longer were they able to reach the cosmic highs and talk to Mahatmas and all these other things that we're able to do.

Now, we talked a little bit about the downfall physically of what happened to their society. As described by Madame Blavatsky, this was not just a simple geological event, as we said, it was earthquakes, it was floods. It was about the spiritual degradation of the Lemurian people. To Blavatsky, civilizations like Lemuria fell because of the degeneration. At the heart of Lemuria's fall was a spiritual descent. And in the early stages, the Marians were again, the highly spiritual beings as time went on as they became more kind of connected to the spiritual the physical world. All of their spiritual growth just stopped entirely like no,

they were at least while they were still falling into their more physical forms. There was still spiritual evolution was still kind of happening in the background. She says it isn't until they're fully 3D and they are now like sexual, they're humans essentially in all of all ways. Um, are they are spiritual growth now completely stunted and it isn't until the Atlanteans also will fall that gives way to our race, which is the ones who are reconnecting with the spiritual world and ending this physical reliance and hopefully moving back into the higher echelons of higher spirit forms.

Get it? Got it. Easy as pie, dude. This is my shit. Yeah, easy. Easy as pie. Blavatsky's view of Lemuria's fall was deeply tied to her ideas about karma as well, the cosmic law of cause and effect. Lemurians shift away and they get punished accordingly. And according to theosophical teachings, the earth itself responded to the spiritual decline of lemurians. Plovatsky suggested that those natural disasters that eventually destroyed them were not random geological events, but events that were born specifically under the earth for rejecting what they did.

This is the plot of a Final Fantasy game. Like there was an ancient race of people and they were with the and then they devolved into the generosity and the earth itself killed them and they returned to the lifestream but their deadly souls have returned to the form of icons and those icons we summon in a freight and like it's just like absolutely a Final Fantasy six basically this is one yeah they were in the last bit of it is, of course, the trifecta volcanoes also were a huge part of like they erupted and just fucking separated the land. All that shit just all came together to sink Lemuria over time.

Not all of the Lemurians were said to have perished, like I said earlier, but lots of you suggested that some of them survived by migrating to other lands where they would later revolve into the Atlanteans, the fourth root race. This migration marked a new chapter in this cosmic story of human evolution. Some occultists went further suggesting that the Muria survivors eventually became the ancestors of certain indigenous people in places like India, Australia, Africa, and so on. Though these claims have been obviously discredited by actual

science proving way more troubling than helpful as their pseudo racial aspects are kind of racist in origin. And they transform into what is the Atlanteans. And as much as I'd love to go into that, we talked about Atlantis in a two episode part. If you want more Atlantis, feel free to go back and like that's that's what they become. So you know, we all know Atlantis, like at least in some respect from. Yeah. Some pop story you've heard. Yeah. Yeah. MCU or whatever, even Disney. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Milo. In some versions of the story, Lemurian survivors are said to reside in Mount

Shasta in Northern California. No, that's become a hotspot for new age and occult beliefs. Let's go to these legends. Yeah. According to these legends, the Lemurians live in massive underground cities, still wielding their ancient knowledge and psychic powers, waiting for the right moment to reemerge and guide humanity back to spiritual enlightenment. Like you know, just casually hanging out underground.

We actually know a place that does some pretty good breakfast sausage out over by Mount Shasta. Can we like do a Chiluminati trip, but we just invite fans and like you guys can go look at the mountain and eat sausages and I'll be at the camp doing like a little cult smooching with everyone. Yeah, we'll get my tent and we'll be like, in order to experience transcendence, you gotta kiss me or something. Like, wouldn't that be fun? That's wielding, that's wielding authority. I think that'll get you cancelled then, Jesse. And then I have to replace it.

No, I believe that, I believe that it's called transcendence. And I will be seen as a future leader into the next phase of human evolution. Sure. Sure. That's probably what your sausages and climb mountains. I under the influence of certain drugs that I will I will expand minds and and smooch lips. Like, what is wrong with that? What is wrong if there's some sausage around and

it's available? You want me to grab it for you? No, yeah, I probably get hung with all that. It builds up a powerful hunger in you. No. Yeah I probably get hung with all that It builds up a powerful hunger in you right right right? I'm no fool of course. I want the sausage yeah, yeah So and if you're out there listening to this and being like wait I think I have powers in the sense right well There are theories out there that there is modern humans that carry Lemurian DNA theories out there that there is modern humans that carry Lemurian DNA and they're still walking around with them now. Oh, like when you go to Toy Story and they have Nathan...

What was I about to say? Nathan-drol? Nathan-drol? Nathaniel Richards? Oh boy. Neanderthals is what he's getting at everybody. That's what I meant to say, yeah. But Nathan-drol sounds like a character again from a Final Fantasy who definitely was Lumierian.

After Matt and Blavatsky passed from this earth, Lemuria became a favorite topic in New Age circles and the myth just continued to evolve on its own from there. During the 20th century writers and mystics expanded on the story of Lemuria adding layers of alien intervention advanced Technologies Cosmic mysteries Lemuria became a land of everything kind of like Atlantis did. And in the 1930s, a man by the name of James Churchward published a series of books about a similar lost continent that he called Mu, which he claimed was the true birthplace of humanity.

Mu was basically just them rebranding Lemuria. That's really what Mu ends up being at the end. He just kind of took the M.U. in the middle of Lemuria. It was like it's like an apocalypse cult that just kind of like the day passes. So they come up with another day kind of. There's also a South American element to it. I don't know if it's Incan or Mayan. There's something going on there where they like went there,

found information. And again, like you're saying, we're just like, yeah, the M the you move. Yeah, that's very, very silly. It is. Moo, other than being a rebranding, they also had like a dash more of sci fi flair in there. They really like spice it up and make a little more exciting. He claimed Churchward is claimed rather that Moo existed in the Pacific Ocean

and had been home to a highly advanced civilization before it too sank beneath the waves. According to Churchward, Mu's people possessed technologies far beyond our understanding, including devices that could harness the power of Earth itself. Like sound familiar that the people in Lemuria can do the same damn thing with their brains? Yeah. As the decades went on, Lemuria and move became a central element in ancient astronaut theories. Some proponents of these ideas suggested that Lemurians weren't

just spiritually advanced. They were in contact with or even descended from aliens. Lemuria in these versions of the myth was part of a broader galactic network of civilizations and its downfalls tied to the cosmic conflicts. And really, if you want more about this, the episode we did about the 12 alien races and shit, it like goes in that direction. We're not going to fucking talk about it.

You want to know how far it goes? I believe the Queen of Moo escaped its destruction and ended up in Egypt as the goddess Isis. Yes, correct. Yes. So that's how this goes. If you're exactly how that goes, dude, that's your yes. Yes.

And then there's the version. I love move. It's wack. Yeah, we could probably do an own episode on move is used a lot in video games. I don't know. LeMurion not so much and not so much like Atlantis sometimes, but move for some reason is used a lot in video games. I don't know, Lemuria not so much and not so much like Atlantis sometimes but Moo for some reason is used a lot. It's in like Falcom games and shit. The concept is in Chrono Trigger. That's right. One of the characters is called Moo and then

the Kingdom of Zeal is like a Moo based society. That's right. So many places are basically Moo in JRPGs. Then there's the other version of Lemuria where Atlantis didn't come after Lemuria, but Lemuria and Atlantis coexisted at the same time. And in some versions of this myth, the Lemurians and Atlanteans not only coexisted, but with Atlantis rising to power as Lemuria was declining at the same time. And depending on who you fucking ask, the two civilizations might have even gone to war with each other with their conflict being big contributing factor to both of their downfalls,

and they basically like that and sunk each other. You know what? I like that. That's fun. Yes, I actually knew about that version before the other versions hilariously. Atlantis tends to get a lot of the attention of pop culture, but Lemuria has its own dedicated fan base out there in the new age and esoteric communities where Atlantis is seen as a place of technological wonders in Lemuria is seen

as the opposite spiritual utopia. The two one crashes while the other rises every final fancy game, literally every final versus modernity. Are you kidding me? Let's go Yeah, and it was technology versus like that in that and they go to war with each other I bet this time what is technology just like fucking steam engines like they can know like sci-fi tech with a little bit of magic Involved like spiritual nonsense, but like yeah, the Atlanteans were more material focused than the others If I could be mirroring it's incorrectly, I read a lot of bullshit. It is so again, it is so video gamey where it's one group has gears and shit, but that does the magic and one group just says a thing or uses their mind and that does the magic.

But they both do the same thing, but one's like the robo version and one's like the spiritual version. But yeah, they're both future powered. Yep. Yep. That's exactly correct. Like that's how it is. Um, and like I said, even today, the idea of Lemuria hasn't even completely faded in certain new age circles. There are people who claim that they are Lemurian descendants. They believe to be carrying the DNA of this race. Some claim that Lemurian spirit guides that communicate with them from other dimensions, offering wisdom and guidance. I bet you there's so many on tick-tock.

If you just click on the right things for the algorithm, you'll probably find a bunch of people who think they're Lemurian descendants. It's the ultimate evolution of the Blavatsky's original vision of lost continent spiritual evolution and hidden knowledge. And even though Lemuria sank beneath the ocean, the story didn't end with total extinction. Like I said, Blavatsky and later theosophists believed that not all Lemurians perished during

the cataclysm. Instead, a portion of the population survived and migrated across the world. These survivors, while still retaining some of their spiritual knowledge, began to evolve physically and spiritually into a new race of beings, the Atlanteans, who then became the fourth root race. In the theosophical system, Lemuria's survivors were thought to have migrated westward, finding refuge on the new landmass

that would become Atlantis. And Atlantis, as Blavatsky described, was a more advanced society than Lemuria, though still tied to many of the same themes of spiritual evolution and moral corruption. The survivors of Lemuria brought with them some of their psychic abilities, though they were already beginning to lose those of the same themes of spiritual evolution and moral corruption. The survivors of Lemuria brought with them some of their psychic abilities,

though they were already beginning to lose those as it became more material and intellectually focused. Then that's the other part too, when we talk about it, the idea of the secret doctrine in Blavatsky is to let go and stop being so mind and intellectually focused and be more intuitive and spiritually guided. You know, let go of your intelligence and be guided by reality as malleable and unknowable as it is. That's really beautiful.

I think so too. I think I got to give Jesse say his brain is currently made rebooting. No, it's just like if we cut through all the bullshit, it's just so scammy because it's decided again, it's just using people who are like going through some stuff to make a book. Well, again, we'll talk about her one day. But yes, especially after she dies, especially after she dies and people take over her shit. Yeah, Atlantis though, just like Lemuria did would eventually fall victim to the same moral decay and material excess that there that led to their downfall sinking Atlantis beneath the ocean just as Lemuria had been submerged before it Another thread in the story of Lemuria survivors involves the idea that some Lemurians didn't even migrate to Atlantis But instead settled in other parts of the world becoming the ancestors various indigenous people like I said

But those goes in layers and race racial nonsense There is a spiritual legacy that the Lemurians leave behind. Beyond physical migration, the idea that Lemurian survivors passed down their spiritual knowledge has been central to the later expansion of this myth. According to Blavatsky and her followers, the spiritual wisdom of Lemuria didn't die with the continent, but was preserved through secret teachings passed down through the ages by esoteric societies. These teachings were said to survive in ancient texts and oral traditions,

accessible only to those who were spiritually advanced enough to understand them. Some occult traditions suggest that the ancient Lemurian knowledge was encoded in religious and spiritual systems around the world. For example, certain mystical practices in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Final Fantasy 6, and Final Fantasy 6 are sometimes linked, without evidence, mind you, to the supposed remnants of Lemurian wisdom. Yoga, meditation, and other practices

are often portrayed as ways to reconnect with the higher spiritual abilities that the Lemurians once possessed, thus giving you access to the ancient Lemurian knowledge that has been lost to time. This has the exact same vibe. Every so often on the show, we cover something along the lines of like,

look, we're just not seeing the big picture, but this insert random, either native or like ancient society or whatever, they knew what was up. And it has this big vibe of like white dudes who didn't do a lot of reading, but it seemed pretty cool. And they heard about it once and they're like, whoa, they had too much money and power and they just like trying to explain it like, well, like the Indian guys, they figured it out, because they got all sorts of cool stuff over there. Karma, that's pretty neat. What's that about?

And they just take it. They got spices, dude. Oh, like when we talk about Native Americans and it's like they have suddenly magic in some people. It's like, what? What? What? What?

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