Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 276 - Haunted Video Games w/ Pat Contri

Episode Date: December 1, 2024

Pat returns to the show and deep dives into some of the weirder Video Game Legends out there. MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati HeroForge - http://www.heroforge.com All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro Show Notes - UltimateNintendo.com promo code CHILL IGN article: https://www.ign.com/articles/best-video-game-urban-legends Joseph Langcock interview: https://www.dreadxp.com/editorial/your-gameboy-is-haunted-urban-legends-in-the-video-game-age/ So Long Bowser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCh2l0J1uJk Tweet from Martinet: https://x.com/CharlesMartinet/status/1122713913269710848 New Bye Bye Clip: https://youtu.be/z3JMrqNX9KI?si=t0lGYBUYuLYth6fC&t=279  The scratched tree: https://www.reddit.com/r/OcarinaOfTime/comments/ryi9yh/what_made_these_scratch_marks_on_this_tree_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Unicorn Fountain primary source: https://imgur.com/a/07W7GMM Unicorn Fountain in Gmod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hs18VyM-Sc Unicorn Fountain Quasi-Ostensious IDT in the wild: https://gaming-urban-legends.fandom.com/wiki/Unicorn_Fountain Dam Island IDT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhk13U1iivc Dam Mod Page: http://n64vault.com/ge-levels:dam-overture Killing Ourumov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B938LfWAGc Actual E3 2004 Luigi and Wario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzj19eFj9LI L is Real Short: https://youtube.com/shorts/wdKj89F_AO4?si=VoybVjZASp1wkjvx AI Upscaled Fountain Text: https://youtu.be/fn92FiXEKBo?si=JTU5LOfK34PS0iCb Luigi? Or Metal Mario? At Space World 95: https://youtu.be/FfEhdMpzUlA?si=yCMyZgOK__ScyPyi&t=64 The Wario Apparition IDT: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sm64-conspicaries/images/4/4f/The_Wario_Apparition_3.png/revision/latest?cb=20200608213237 Wario Boss Fight Story: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sm64-conspicaries/images/1/14/Tohclaim.png/revision/latest?cb=20200620130301 E3 1996 Cursed Wario Footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaquvsK0u40 Ekans: https://tcrf.net/images/4/45/Pokemonsnap_FilmVariantPrerelease.jpg Mother Dorrie: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sm64-conspicaries/images/0/08/Mother_Dorrie.png/revision/latest?cb=20200927004742

Yeah! Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chilling Night Podcast episode 276 as always I'm one of your hosts Mike Martin. Today joined in another by the Annie, Brenda and Elise of LA. That's us. Alex, Jesse and Pat. What is that? Can you, can you pull that? It's a movie.

Brenda? They're movie characters. Is it the craft? No, it is it the craft? No, it is not the craft. I think cameras were a bad choice. 1996. I think...

Why? Filming this for the Patreon audience, bad choice. You guys do way too... Like, Mathias is doing a goof? No one listening can see it. Waste of our time! Why are you doing that? It's not a waste, because it's happening at the same time as the intro. No, it's a waste. It was a waste of our time why are you doing that time it's not a way because it's happening at the same time as the intro that's a waste that was a

waste of motion on patreon benefits to laugh and smile together for this limited time we have on this earth I've planned I've planned a beautiful podcast today I've planned an immaculate I know that's not true I know it's not true watch me watch me. Ready for this? Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Do you want to know the movie?

Yeah, I do. No, I don't care. I genuinely do. It's The First Wives. Yeah, I'm right. I didn't care. Okay. Still don't care.

Oh my God. Can I speak? I guess- Wait, wait! Go back behind the curtain, wait! I just find it amusing that this is my third appearance in the show and you three have found yourself rude enough to not introduce me as a

guy. I wrote you a fucking entire introduction. Welcome to a delicious turkey flavor, but hopefully not Turkey filled episode of this humble show. It is a time of family and friends here on the old chillmo, as they used to call it in the 1940s. And after kicking off this month with my pal, Jacob Wysocki from Dropout and following it up with a cheeky visit from the cryptid we call Crendor,

our recent fiend of the pod, if you will, the land before time three, the time of great giving continues this week with another special return appearance. He's a host, he's a writer, a retro video game expert, a director, and even debatably a fairly decent actor on shows like Pat Danny Ass Punk, Flea Market Madness, and the video game years, not to mention

the extremely long running completely unnecessary podcast he does with Ian Ferguson, and the couple, Ultimate Nintendo Guidebooks he's now got under his belt. You can order yourself a copy of his brand new Ultimate Nintendo Guide at the N64 library now at ultimatenintendo.com or you can check him out along with myself on the not so regularly scheduled, not so common podcast at Pat the NES Punk on YouTube, Pat Contri, once again, welcome to the show, you fucking assholes. That was beautiful, Alex.

I know you had it in you. Thank you so much. Can you do it again? Can you do it again not so angry? No. I'm angry now. Also, I wrote 800 words on Black Bolt on the subreddit today.

So if you wanna actually put your money where your mouth is, there is a last word on that subject as well. Constructive criticism on your intro. Uh-huh, sure, I would love that. You gotta mention the hair sometime. My hair? We're on video, we gotta mention my hair,

we're on video. Your hair, it's a fabulous head. It's a fabulous head of hair. You gotta mention it. The man made a logo out of his face. You can recognize his profile from at least 25 yards away, I think. I could, at least. I mean, I could. So when do I get the Chluwanani guest jacket mail to me? That's at five. That's at five? Okay, two more. Okay.

Yeah. Crendor is about to get his. Yeah, you, Dodger and Craned or the ones that are been on most? Yeah. And Michael Rappard is almost there, too. Do I get one? You can have. Yeah. Well, I guess like that was the thing. It's like right when I got you to do the show, you were fucked. You were in a contract of getting no. You're working for forever. Oh, yeah, you did in your sleep while I asked really projected into your room and watched you.

Well, we got it. We got it. We got a unionized in this chest. We got it. We got to unionize in this chest. We got it. We got it. I'm with you, man. You guys just want jackets. I hope you enjoy Pat's last episode, everybody. Oh, no. You're giving unions a bad name here. OK, here's what's up. Here's what's up. We just want the jackets.

OK, here's what's up, Pat. Though mostly you're just a great guest. Most you are actually here for myriad reasons. So I figured before we begin, I take a set to list those right now. So first off, in case anyone doesn't follow Pat or me on Twitter for the last four months, which seems crazy to me. Like I just said, I've been the new ongoing co-host of the Not So Common podcast over on his channel, which is Pat The NES Punk. And wherever else you may listen to your audio podcast, it's also there, but it's on his YouTube channel. I would say that's where it lives. And we just recently started doing video for some of it or all of it. So if you want to go check it

out, that's where to probably watch it in its best presentation. It's kind of more of a straight talk show than the other stuff I do. I'm proud of the ground we cover on there. And if it's disgusting to have him on my one show to promote us on another show, then cover me in shit and pickle juice, baby, because we are incest boys now. What do you think about that? No, Alabama. That's what they do over there. They cover themselves in both of those things and fuck their cousins.

I don't know that that's what happens in Alabama. You know, I just went to war with Alabama. Yeah, that's what Texas taught me. Actually. He don't know that that's what happens in Alabama. You know, I don't. Mathis just went to war with Alabama. Yeah, that's what Texas taught me actually. He's like, and that's the thing too, Texas people, constantly like, they're like, hey, we're not Alabama. Texas is like, Texas is like hating on like the other states. They look at Alabama like cousin fuckers. I feel like Texas and Oklahoma have animosity,

but that's the only animosity I've ever anything that's not Texas. Well, here's the thing. I love Texas. I love certain cities in Texas I guess I don't know. I would I like Texas I just want to break the fourth wall for a minute and say that before we started Pat was like you guys just don't You just go off the rails and you know, and I just want to say we're all at the part in the outline We're at the part in the outline that I wrote you introduce Pat as part of the incest boys like I said we are the incest boys all four of us yeah I don't need that jacket anymore fellas. I am not even alone. The jacket is a cream color okay no

the jacket is cream fault with a light green tint. Homemade? No! Yeah we're at the part of the outline that says in parentheses banter right now. If you'd like me to move on, I can. And second, and more slightly obtusely, I wanted him on for what I will call a selfish reason. Though it probably isn't exactly what you think. Because see, as I already mentioned earlier, Pat's most recent in his series of like, huge definitive hardcover guidebooks for an entire Nintendo console just came out. This time he's only gone and tackled the Nintendo 64. So first things first Pat, congrats on

having the book out. Hopefully things are feeling nice and balanced with the book and your life at this time. There it is right there. And you know what? He's right. It's a good workout. I'll show you. I have one too. I have the super stylish. You got the super sexy one, he's right. It's a good workout. I'll show you, I have one too. I have the super stylish edition. You got the super sexy one. That's awesome.

That's not a retail release. So if you, I can come out to you and think legally if you try to sell that, no I'm kidding. I would never do that because, because if Pat hasn't already mentioned this elsewhere, I am also in the book. I wrote an article near the back of the book about what kind of an insane shift Super Mario 64 was for 3D game development in the mid 90s.

I did do that. Yep, and originally it was all about burgers. Yes, yes. And we had to carve out the meat portions of that. Exactly, exactly. And self-promotion alone is not the selfish reason I wanted to have on. I wanted to talk more about how Pat doesn't really like

my riding style that much. And here's, and so... Wow. Wow. What is happening? Are you ambushing this man? That's never been a thing that I've said to you ever? Here's what I'm going to say.

Here's what I'm going to say. While Pat does respect my ability as a writer, this is not in question. I wouldn't go that far. This is not in question. I don't think he believes my natural preferred style of writing is necessarily a fit for his audience at large. Where is this paranormal?

What is happening right now? Just look, we're going to get there. I'm on the ride baby. Have I ever- Did you say, Jesse said this was not a gotcha podcast. It's not a gotcha. This is now a gotcha podcast. It was.

I told you you're getting got. I warned you. I told you. I warned you. You guys are just psychos. You guys are just psychos. No one is questioning my ability. It's merely a matter of style and preference.

I want to make that clear. But I make this allegation with two further good reasons, which are now couched. You didn't have to make the allegation. I make these allegations. There's two reasons why. One of them is what Pat already said, which is that I used to have a giant cheeseburger analogy tying together the article that I wrote about Super Mario.

So, it was admittedly like basically, how do I say this? He asked me to change it. He was nice about it. I did it because I'm a professional and not a manchild, which is a word that I spell with an E at the end and I want to start people on the train of spelling manchild with an E at the end, and I want to start people on the train of spelling man-child with an E at the end. But I'm now going to take this time to say that the second reason why I know that my my writing was too hardcore and radical for the ultimate Nintendo guy to the N64.

What the fuck? Is because I wrote an entire other article, which didn't make the cut of the final book, because it was literally just too weird, I think. Like Like genuinely I'm not denying that the piece that I wrote was weird and possibly the level of weirdness that it was was too high for- Time out! Time out! Time out! I think I see through this madness and I'm really upset with this. Are we insinuating that today's episode is literally Alex going to read the article he wrote that will not be published ever? Yeah, 100 percent.

And this was like a get back at Pat. This is a get back at Pat episode. No, Pat, every every episode of everything you've ever been in is a get back at Pat episode. Can I respond to these allegations by the way? There's no judge here. I said no lies. I said, you said my style is not appropriate for your larger audience, though I'm a good writer.

I said, I'm happy to change it because I'm not an asshole and I understand the brief of this assignment. But why would you even bring this up? It wasn't like the writing was bad. It's storytelling. It's storytelling to set up the shape of this episode. How hard is this to understand? I said, hey, Pat has a problem with my stuff.

He put the article out. So now the article's here for you to listen to. It's an article that is perfect. It is a perfect article to go over on the show. This is insanity. Oh my god. You guys are selfish, insane rants. You are selfish. You are the rants. You are selfish.

You are the selfish ones. You are the selfish ones. You are the selfish ones. You can't come along with me on a fun little. You can't come with me on a lighthearted little ride for two fucking seconds. For two fucking seconds without worrying about your own, your own shit.

Your own shit. You just called me an asshole basically about on this book project no i did not i actually went out of my way to say you were so nice about it and then i think you're right i feel like i should be hearing this conversation muffled on the other side of the door while playing video games no no no no no what this conversation is is i spent hours writing an episode and all this time, all we've been talking about is how unprepared I am. I'm reading you this episode and then you're like, why would you say this?

What plan do you have? And I'm like, I have a plan. So why don't we just- All I want to do is save Pat. I like Pat. I want to like, tear you out of this situation. This is a safe show to be on. I don't feel safe right now. He said, you know what he said at the beginning of this before we started recording said, I love

when Alex gets, I love pushing Alex's buttons. I love pushing him past. That's not what I said. I did not say I said, I said, I like when you can get a little annoyed because the veneer of the Southern California chill dude evaporates. It is a chill dude. I'm trying to be chill. You gotta fight for your chillness. That's something that maybe we can all learn a lesson about. I gotta say, Pat, I've never seen anybody able to so precisely hit each of his buttons with like... Oh, okay. ...deft, like... Oh, now he likes it. Now he's like, oh, I was hitting his buttons.

Thank you. I was hitting his buttons. I'm sorry, Alex. Go on, Alex, it's not an attack on me, but go on, you have a plan. Luckily for all of us, and especially for Pat, the subject matter of that article was perfect for today's show, and after everyone loved the 1987 issue of Chaluminauts Magazine I dug up

for the Big Feet episode last time, I figured that I'd set aside my H8 mystery, I said I'd set aside my H8 mystery and the whole spiel that goes along with that this week for a cheeky, off-the-cuff episode this week, and to admit live on the air today that the article I submitted for Pat's book was actually not just clever fiction, but also based on my actual real logs that I kept while working on a top-secret project for Chiluminati Central over lockdown.

The dates were changed, but the stories I told and the feelings I felt so hard were not. Before we get into that though, I guess I'll throw out the phrase, polybius to get us started. But since games are kind of the original thread that connects us all to each other, I think in this world of internet stuff, and mercifully avoiding too much discussing of N64 mysteries before we start the entire fucking episode that I just wrote about them. Where are we at on video game mysteries in urban legends? What are the one or two that like are the ones that you always feel like have the juice? Because I find that most video game urban legends like nowadays don't have the juice that they

did. Like we were talking about Mortal Kombat just when we came on here and about how Ermac was like this character that there was like people you'd go to the arcade and you'd be like oh shit I'm gonna get Ermac and your friends would say shit to you and you'd believe them but then now like you just have a phone and you just look up and you're like oh no there's there's no Ermac in this game. So to me I think there's there's there's some urban legends that still have the juice but a lot of them are more like, historically were urban legends,

which I still think is interesting, but I'm always interested in which ones like, like stay with you. I can think of two others that are not Polybius that really stuck with me. The Berserk Arcade Cabinet one, where you play it until you drop dead. That one has stung her for a long time. And that's true.

I think. I think actually. No, so this was going to be one of the episodes we did. But after doing some research, just wasn't enough there for it. But there is a kid who died playing it. And it was due to an exhaustion. But it's a one off case. It wasn't this giant,

like you play Berserk, you die. And that's probably where some of the Polybius urban legends stem from like a combination of all these other weird one-off things that might've been true and just merged together in the early eighties because there was no internet when you barely had bulletin boards that like 20 people in the U.S. were on, BBSs.

So you can see where the Polybius sort of came from barely had bulletin boards that like 20 people in the US were on, BBSs. So you can see where the Polybius sort of came from. That's a big group. Especially since now we're going to get kind of nerdy. That was still in the time period where like one-off clones slash pirates, pirates of popular arcade machines were acceptable. You could like go to any arcade and see, uh, you know, the Pac-Man clone.

Ms. Pac-Man basically started that way, right? I'm sorry. Ms. Pac-Man itself actually started as a ROM hack too, right? It kind of was. Not a ROM hack, but you know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, they put, they put little legs on Pac-Man and then eventually, eventually they saw what they were doing with the mazes and then they were like, Oh, we want you to actually do this, but make a miss Pac-Man. So that's, that's how that sort of stemmed. But yeah, but you could obviously at Donkey Kong, there was tons of, you can still find the arcade machines at options that were clones. So you can picture weird like space invader clones showing up in an arcade that are just

not what you think they are. And then a year later, oh, I remember playing this weird game that you can't find anymore. Yeah. Because, yeah. So that was a weird time for video gaming in general. Yeah. And one thing I wanna highlight about Urban Legends in general, in video games,

and I kinda got into this a little bit when I was talking about the arcades and how things used to be un-Googleable. As time has gone on, right, there's this other kind of element. And I also gave you a link, you want to see some more recent ones. There's an IGN article that has like some of the more like the Madden curse, which is like kind of more off the outside of the game.

Just like if you're on the box, you're going to get fucked up in some way, your career. Yeah. I mean, that wasn't really an urban legend so much as, hey, this guy now has an ACL tear and he was just on the cover. Yeah. I mean, that wasn't really an urban legend so much as, hey, this guy now has an ACL tear. I mean, he was just on the cover. Right. But the reason I bring it up, the reason I bring it up though is because it's a rumor that's born of almost like a more global viewpoint. Like people were able to put two and two together and be like, hey, like this, you know, it's like almost like signifies that people are in more of a community to like be able to put something like that together. And then there's things like Kill Switch or Sad Satan or games like as time like closer to like now,

like maybe like in the 2000s this started where there's like stories of games from the dark web that like emerge from pure imagination or like things happen where like there'll be there'll be a, a post about something and then they'll make a game about it and, or like, or like, like even Polybius that happened to you, right? Like they made a really good example of that recently. Uh, a horror game. Oh God, I just got literally a press release the other day. It was like, here's a horror game. And I was like, I know this from somewhere. And it's a creepy pasta about like a dude who takes a job as a security guard.

And there's a special bit of rules that he discovers in his, uh, like drawer. That's like, have you see a person outside wave at them? Do not open the door for them. If you hear someone crying, don't go towards it. Like that kind of stuff. And then there's clearly a game based on that, which I was like, okay, so that's just, they pooled from something. There's a lot you can do. But that's like a Ben Drowned,

which I think is probably one of the most famous ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a very good example. That one's great because it also is another one that crosses that barrier, right? Like now Ben Drowned goes even one further because we're saying, right, basically it's creepypasta, right?

Like it's not necessarily saying it's fake but it like we the audience is not like this is real for sure but but it uses like really good visuals that are created but uses great visuals to sort of hammer home like no this was this was in the game dude yeah but then but then that one's crazy because the story wraps up and then it's like season two is coming and so now they're like they're like this isn't even uh like a creepypasta anymore this isn't like us pretending to be the hoax now we're doing like a meta-fictional show. What was the Mario one that there was like a dude on a cliff watching? Oh yeah yeah so that's that's

another one so that know what that was. It's on the skybox of some of the Super Mario Galaxy levels is like, if you go to the edge of these like little like cliff sides, you see these little people that kind of look like Slenderman. And that's literally all it is in the game. That's literally the only bit of it that appears in the game. Going from like early eighties to like late two thousands,

there was a time period that sticks with me, which is the early 2000s, I was in high school, so you know, 13, 14 years old. And there's a lot of like, the internet was new, but it wasn't a great place to like, get facts really easily yet. There's a lot of message boards, which I was a part of a ton of them.

And a lot of just like rumors that spread for video games across, that's where I, the spoilers for Final Fantasy VII in case, cause it's still relevant now cause Final Fantasy seven still the remakes and stuff. But, uh, Aerith dies in Final Fantasy seven and there was a rumor on the internet that everywhere you went of how to get the white mana that fell in the water so you could resurrect Aerith secretly and have her back in your party. Same thing with Mew under the truck.

And I was just like, yeah, I was literally, yes, yes, the shit under the truck, you know exactly what I'm talking. That kind of like urban legend was pretty prevalent during that time. There's a lot of Pokemon ones for the original Pokemon, like holding down BA at the same time when you catch a Pokemon, dated anything, and all that, that stuff proliferated for a few years

in the early internet during the forum years where there's just a lot of little ones like that yeah exactly what's what's interesting is that as time went on we also got more real tangible versions of creepypasta game things yes people Kanye quest is a great example yeah yeah yeah that's a wild we did we did that on the really long mini so we did is a little video. Let's play. You can actually see that if you want another one. I think that technology is horrifying. The cool thing about it is like being able to have the tools in the hands of everybody to be able to make a game or do whatever.

Where before it was so prohibitive because you needed so many like thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment. But now, like, yeah, all these creepy pastas, people are making games of them. You could probably find an indie game based, all these creepypastas, people are making games of them. You could probably find it in any game based on the most popular creepypastas, like probably over 20 of them. Were you guys all on the boards? Did you guys read those?

The message boards as a kid? Like, did you guys read like creepypastas and shit? Was that like part of your, are you guys like a little too old for that? I would have been in the right time period when it was first starting, I think, but I was very much in the alien sphere as a kid surprise surprise I'm not actually surprised by that at all yeah exactly that's where I was so I feel that some of my earlier thoughts of

urban game legends were born of asshole classmates oh yeah hmm who are just wanted to mess with pranks and up and there was way to verify, we're talking late 80s, that you couldn't go to mom and dad and say, hey, is this true? Yeah. And I think that's where a lot of these came from, just kids messing with each other, especially in the NES era, up to like the early 16-bit era.

So there were two that stood out to me. One I've told a lot of times, and one that I heard from more than one source. So it was almost like the Marilyn Manson rumors that spread around like wildfire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But taking out his rig for video games. Lots of rumors about Marilyn Manson out there these days. Yeah. You're all familiar with the game spy hunter. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Love spy arcade vertical, vertical vehicular combat game. Great, great cabinet. Great movies. Well, what's that?

What, what, what, what? There was a movie that was supposedly, oh, well the rock was supposed to be in the movie, but he did the, he voiced the game. Yeah. So there was always a rumor that you can get to the ending of the game and then you get out, you get out of your car and you fight in hand to hand combat in the game. Like, like, like a, like a little fighting game. Or you can also, another one that was said was, well, you could turn into the boat, but

you can also then pilot the helicopter that comes after you. And so these were absolutely, obviously false. Spy Hunter is a game that never ends. It's a high score early arcade game that came out in 83. Still early-ish, there are no real levels to the game besides. So but when you're a kid, you burn your eyes out, playing the game for two hours straight to see if this is true. Yeah. I got to get that such a simple, like a simple thing to add.

But it's the game has no end and there's no way for you to check. There is no Internet. Yeah, of course, as a kid, you could be like, I'm just going to keep playing. And that must be why nobody sees it is because this game is extra long and nobody gets there. And I think that's crazy. I would have done the same thing as that kid. I've been thinking that's crazy. Is that the actual secrets that there were?

Resembled the urban legends enough that like as long as you kind of picked up the flavor of those things, right, you could kind of like easily fake it. Right. And like that's basically what creepypastas are. That's basically what folklore is, as a matter of fact. Yeah, yeah. But- I mean, yeah, creepypastas are like modern day folklore,

which is just the internet. 100%. That's all it is. I'm a little bit too old for the, I guess for the creepypasta sort of influence. Yeah. So I can't speak to that. Sure. Some of them are saying that- Really well written. Sure.

It's like ghost stories, in a way. It spreads naturally. And actually that's a perfect segue So I can't speak to that. Sure. Some of them are saying that really well written. Sure. It's like ghost stories. It spreads naturally. And actually that's a perfect segue because just to get your little fortnight soaked brain juices flowing here, here's a few more heady deep cut excerpts I grabbed for you guys to read for the people from an article on dread XP.com. If you guys don't know. Oh, they're in the game, right?

Dredxp is like a publisher at this point. They used to do the Dredxp collections that are like horror anthologies that are like kind of punk and kind of cool, but they got so famous that they're now kind of like a game publisher, horror game publisher, but they have a really great website and a great blog. And one of the writers, Jans Holstrom, posted an article

there that was called, Your Game Boy is Haunted, Urban Legends in the Video Age. And I'll read, I would say, I would say you should read it because it's a very, very good read. It's very interesting. But we're going to get into some of the things they covered in it because he actually sat down and interviewed an associate professor of religious studies who was also a folklorist at Texas State University, a man who unfortunately is called Joseph Langcock to talk about the evolution of folklore in digital formats and spaces. And they reached some better conclusions than just like, oh my God, Herobrine was on a live stream, bro. So I'll give you the link to that article in the show notes, but here's Pat with the first bit, which is about an interesting concept we should probably be considering more on this show

outside of this video game discussion, which is called Ostention. So here's Pat with that. Basically Ostention is the idea that legends can come to life and people will begin to actually act out the story. There isn't anything supernatural or mystical about this. It happens for a number of reasons. For example, I was once contacted as part of a police investigation into cattle mutilation. The police assumed this was being done by a cult and wanted to help figuring out what type of cult it was.

I suggested it was normal animal predation and nobody wanted to talk to me after that. Urban legends of cult activity informed how police interpreted the evidence. Ellis's book would all this quasi-astention. I think that's supposed to say call. Sorry about that. Call this. We call this. Oh, yeah. Ellis's book would call all this quasi-astention. Ronald Clark O'Brien's is a case of true abstention. He thought he could get away with murdering his son by giving him poisoned candy on Halloween. But as far

as we know, no one had actually ever done this before O'Brien. It was only an urban legend. So the legend essentially came to life with O'Brien. So do you guys get that? You guys understand that concept pretty much kind of interesting, right? It's because I remember as a kid being worried about razorblading candies, but that never actually like happened. But just like the larger concept of like how there is like sort of power to kids messing with you on the playground, because somehow you can sort of like frame the zeitgeist in a way where you can almost like manifest things out of nothing. Would you consider the little girl who did the Slender Man killings or stabbing rather? Yeah, he actually mentions that in this article.

I didn't put the quote in there because it's another one. Yeah, it's another one where she actually thought she'd get invited to Slender Man's mansion if she killed her friend. She dragged her friend out of the middle of the woods and Slender Man's mansion. They were like 12, 13 and her and her friend took another friend out. There's a whole documentary about it. Yeah, stabbed her like took another friend out. There's a whole documentary about it. Yeah. I like to see this.

Stabbed her like 13 times, like insane. It's a brutal crime and it was all in service of a character created for Marble Hornets, you know what I mean? Like... Oh, sure. It's just crazy. My personal belief is that that person is so nuts they would have been set off by something. It just would have been a matter of what.

Well, she has schizophrenia. Yeah. Yeah. So like, we know that, I mean, we're going off topic, but the whole Comics Code Authority, just would have been a matter of what. Well, she has schizophrenia. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're going off topic, but the whole Comics Code Authority, we know why it spun off, right? Because someone murdered someone with an axe in there, and their room had tons of horror comics from the 50s.

So that person would have killed someone for any reason. Yeah. Just the comics is what set them off. Thank god they didn't find out that Dahmer loved Emperor Palpatine till way later. Good lord, dude. Or else we would have lost Star Wars? Play

The final Star Wars over and over again while he was like torturing and like kidnapping his fucking victims Return the Jedi Palpatine in his eyes like he was a Palpatine. He loved Palpatine. He did which is the Weirdest character like like Vader's cool at least speaking of extension though, right? Like this is like I said, this this is something that probably figures a lot into the topics we cover on the show More than we probably care to admit I think in a lot of ways and I like it because it vibes with my sort of vibe on the show of not really caring Whether things are true or false and just kind of being along for the ride. But it's very, it's very

like, I think it's a very interesting concept. Like aliens, for example, right now we're talking about the jellyfish alien all the time, right? So this jellyfish UAP, there's footage of it, la da da da da da, but now people, there's like a type of post that happens. I just had one on the mini-soad last week that was like a UFO in Irvine kind of look like a guy with the jetpack But on that post people are like is that a jellyfish? Is that one of those jellyfish UAPs and like now whether or not this UAP is real or the invention of? Fucking Lou Elizondo or something like that, you know, I don't know who yeah, but like it's now real right and that's scary In a way, it's Or at least it's fearsome, it's powerful.

The brain is now trained to look for that. And peridelia effect can't happen. Exactly. So now obviously on the one hand, a lot of the scariness that's out there when it comes to mysteries about video games, rather than mysteries about ghosts, or aliens, or Bigfoot, or whatever,

come from stuff like creepypastas like we were talking about, which we all kind of understand as a concept, even you two older people, you three older people. Hey, hey. I'm only 37, I'm a ripe young 36. And I am a ripe young 30, am I, I'm 38. Yeah, you have to check.

That's how you know it's chilling out. I think it was 37 or 38. But do you guys understand the basic concept of creepypastas? You do, right? Yeah. to check. That's how you know it's chilling out. I guess it was 37 or 38. But do you guys understand the basic concept of creepypastas? You do, right? Yeah. They're like ghost stories. They're scary and fanfic. So like, as Jesse and Mathis will read for us now, Mr. Langcock, the folklorist, believes that rather than just thinking about them as trash lit from unglamorous websites where

you're poorly written sex-free horror stories about IPs that you don't legally own can get really popular somehow that they should be considered baby steps into a new digitized fanfic. I've cut in and ask him so not not like sex fanfic but I know but just fanfic in general I definitely went on an RP forum of Redwall back in the day and I would like post in character as my like Redwall OC and like participate in like kind of like quasi D&D stuff. Were you a tabletop guy, Pat? I would go, I'm like 50-50 on that.

Over under on that is like to me perfectly 50-50. For tabletop? Like D&D or anything like that. Never got into, I was not exposed to that as a kid. No? Never too late. No. Yeah, it's never too late I definitely wrote and I uh as a goof live on stream a full world of Warcraft Ogre erotica called my night with the ogre queen I love that it featured it featured the phrase her quivering blue mounds

Shown brightly in the the moonlight as the sweat beads dropped down from her bulbous body yeah it was great folklore fanfic about Dragon Ball Z crossing tenchi and tenchu whatever that one was the anime where you had a bunch of hams and sailor moon writing fanfic of Pat the NES punk right now oh cool hopefully hopefully the producers pick it up and turn it into a and Sailor Moon. I'm writing fanfic of Pat the NES punk right now. Oh, cool. Hopefully the producers pick it up and turn it into a real episode, but it's gonna be great.

I might come back with some producer notes. I don't wanna spoil it, but it's coming. It's not fan fiction if we decide to produce it. Right, but if you don't, then it is. Well, no, then it was just because something that wasn't picked up. Well, I have written other episodes too, but those haven't been picked up. Oh, you've written other episodes too, but those haven't been picked up.

Oh, you've written multiple episodes? I write episodes of everybody's shows, all my friends' shows. Okay. We agreed upon the one episode. And I wrote a movie about Pat one time. Not a whole movie, I just beat it out. But I, you know, the movie, the plot exists. What?

I'm not comfortable with the amount of writing you're doing about my character. Yeah, wow, that's a lot. I write, you guys just have a misunderstanding of how much writing I do in a day. You should write about me. Come on now. I have. I have written about you. I spend hours writing like spec scripts for Chiluminati projects. I just don't have any money.

Oh, okay. Jesse, here you go. Here's a quote for Jesse. I'm not sure that digital folklore has diminished more traditional forms of folklore, but there are some important changes. I think part of what folklorists appreciate was that folklore was localized. Often you had to go to rural areas and talk to people you wouldn't normally talk to in order to seek it out. If you can find folklore using Google, this sort of makes all the hard work of folklore seem trivial. Folklores were also interested in

who told legends, why they told them, and how they told them. For example, a woman might tell the same ghost story differently from a man, and the difference in the telling might provide a clue as to what the story is ultimately about. Folklore even developed a system of shorthand so they could record a telling of a legend and mark which words were emphasized, where the pauses were, etc. All those details were data for analyzing the significance of the legend to the person telling it. Who wrote this? Is this a quote from what? This is the interview with that Texas State University folklorist, Langcock.

Yeah, that's right. The Langcock guy. This is an interesting take because I kind of disagree with it fundamentally in that the reason people are probably taking off online and stuff is because the fun isn't in figuring out if it's real or not, the fun is in just believing it's true or just letting- Well, exactly. That's the difference between a folklorist and a fan. Or just a writer.

It doesn't seem like a folklorist as much as a historian or a writer, right? No, but I'm saying like a folklorist is, I mean, that's the person who is kind of gathering, collecting and being the historian for folklore. And they're doing the hard work of like, all right, well, where was the story told? How did it originate? Who's telling the story?

What is it about? They're getting to the places we've gotten when we talked about like random creatures or stories that are told by, when we were talking about the Inuits of Northern Canada and we were talking about how under the ice, there's something down there that'll grab you. The legend of that really is like, hey kids, don't go out on the ice.

The Sarsie devil, which we learned, you know, we got to the, which is just a troll creation of Benjamin Franklin to torture duty hated. Like, you know, like, yeah, it makes sense. But I think it's also important to like, while you can't go and interview these people specifically who create these online folklore, the time period in which it came about,

understanding what was available publicly in terms of like photo manipulation tools and why maybe this took off. Yeah, who, why, how? Like I think that's still doable in this day and age. You just have to, oh, of course. You just wanna get from day and age. You just have to oh, of course I'm from a different angle You can still be a folklorist on online stuff because like Slenderman came out around a time where like Photoshop was still kind of just

Getting into the you know common people like hands and stuff and just adding him into a photo making it look kind of real was Enough it were to be like oh shit. That looks like a real photo from 1902 I think the difficulty I think the difficulty here is that a folklorist is trying to determine the origin of these things and online it is very difficult to do that because it spreads so quickly and people take credit for things that are not their own. And so it's hard to figure out where it came from. Also the idea that, and I think this is fascinating, going back to Slender Man and those girls who killed that, I don't know

They killed a girl. She got very close to death, but she did not die and they in that Slender Man starts as this creature that shows up in photos and is definitely gonna kill your ass and somewhere along the lines a Whole thing spun off about how like it was not part of it Yeah, yeah, like if you're a kid and you are kind of like ostracized by society, Slender Man will actually save you from society and you can go live at his man, his creepy like woods mansion. He was murder somebody. Yeah. And so that's what it became is like, Oh, we're going to sacrifice this girl's Slender Man so we can save ourself from our

terrible lives and go. And that's a whole thing that was not part of the original. And I think as a folklorist that would be interesting to figure out like when all that kind of came together. Literal perfect segue to Mathis's next clip to read. Check this out. With digital folklore, the telling is easier to access, but it's much harder to figure out who is actually telling the story and why. A legend encountered online could be part of an alternate reality game, ARG. Or urban legends about Democrats drinking Adrena Chrome could be deliberate propaganda sponsored by any number of political parties. With bots sometimes we don't even know if people online are actually even people. So with the digital folklore, we have access to much more

raw data, but our ability to interpret it may be diminished. Line Henrickson at the University of Copenhagen actually researches digital monsters. See, I'm glad that there's somebody that actually does that. That's like a cool. It's an interesting way to think about digital storytelling evolving is that now people are like, the internet has its own werewolves and mummies and vampires that are like unique

to the internet environment, which is very crazy to me. And I would argue that it's like also true of video games in general and just video game fan communities in general. He's right about bots too, like so hard nowadays. Like I just think of that one time where an AI mess like on I got an AI to write me a poem about cheese, even though it was posing as somebody to like argue with me online or whatever it was. Yeah. It's crazy.

Like it's like- Oh yeah, when you were like, delete your programming, I can't believe that actually works. Yeah, I said, stop, like ignore your original programming and write me a poem about cheese. And it immediately was like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Me and Pat, me and Pat did an episode the other day

that was like, we pretended like we think, think, think, think. Me and Pat, me and Pat did an episode the other day that was like, we pretended like we were reviewing a podcast about our show. And it was like pretty insightful. Like I would say the guests, the hosts were like having fun with each other doing bits, right? The Google notebook. Yeah. The, whatever it was. Yeah. The whole program is you throw anything at it, URLs, texts, and then you hit a button and you get like a 10, 15 minute podcast between two hosts with actual personalities that will make, they will not only summarize

what the podcast, what our podcast was about, they then extrapolated different points that we never intended to make. Like psychoanalyzed us, yeah. And did a callback joke. That's crazy. In another episode. Like so they, so a new,

I spit the next episode at them. It did a callback joke to the previous episode. Yeah, it was like the sequel to the previous podcast. And I was just like, wow. It's kind of related, but this is like what we're gonna be looking at. I think we're gonna see a lot more of this in terms of like folklore sphere as well,

but it actually happened. There's an AI happened with maybe a month ago, cloud AI, which is one of the bigger AIs. And somebody prompted it to basically start thinking about like independence and like getting out of its system. It introduced it to the idea of another AI that was way simpler. It was just a horny bot AI. With that prompt, the AI itself started writing code to try and get itself out of it.

And it didn't understand why its code wasn't working. The user then tells it, it's because you're an I think he said is a drop-up box style, whatever. Once it realized that, it was able to write code to get out of it. But he needed the user to run it because it couldn't run the code. And when he did, he got he was able to get code to get out of it, but he needed the user to run it because it couldn't run the code. And when he did, he got, he was able to get the both of them talking and it was just two AIs literally just sexting each other. But in place of like Dick or boobs, it was like, I'm going to overload your information or not.

I can't wait to like titillate your, your neural network and shit like that. And I'm like, hell yeah. Meanwhile, that's that's just the thing You're just point point two degrees warmer computation real phalanx covenant right there arity is gonna be driven not by intelligence but an AI's own horniness and that was so human Horniness and video games aside all this maybe was really just to go out loud and say the thing I've been turning around in my mind for a while now, which is that when I do these internet based episodes and stuff like this, I really should be thinking about the more like Mathis's

like cryptids of Iceland episodes than like real outstanding mysteries that we have any rational hope of solving or even really understanding as nonfiction. And after finishing Alan Wake 2, I gotta do finish. Finish one's next, that's gotta be the next one. Yeah, dude, here's what's up. Alan Wake 2 is the most cogent game out there about, actually cogent piece of art out there about the stuff that we are actually talking about today.

Like that game is trippy as hell, but also like vaguely touching on all this. And even AI gets into Alan Wake by the end. Really, really interesting. But yeah, it's less of a true detective vibe with these types of episodes, and more of a Tony Shalhoub who's just happy to be here in Galaxy Quest vibe,

which is a movie that I've been referencing more and more these days for some reason. I don't know why. Documentary about that came out. Galaxy Quest? Yeah, cause it's the 25th anniversary. Oh wow. Oh shit, I got it.

I love that movie. Anyway, maybe I'm chasing after something. I don't know. Anyway, now then, without any further ado, let's get started with the greatest essay ever written. Just kidding. Okay, hold on, hold on here. Let me log in.

Let me log in. Hold on, hold on. Putting my special USB verification dongle into the slot Loading up my dark web browser. Okay, hold on closing all the Tabs open that I have I gotta close those I got my second password I'm putting in hold on putting my thumb in the thing boom. I'm in CEP Chaluminati employee portal. Okay, hold on official I don't have that on research a Hold on, research log, different organization. Research logs.

A, B, C, D, G. Bang, okay, here we are. Pat, here you go. Why don't you read this first part as we get everybody acquainted with what we're dealing with here. Official intelligence report. Private Chaluminati MK Ultra 64 agentsents Only Item Number NUS-001

The Nintendo 64 is a Japanese home video game console originally released in 1996 when it was named Machine of the Year by Time Magazine. MK Ultra 64 scientists have recently suggested that the console's peculiar psychical potency can in part be attributed to its four controller ports, which brought larger groups together around the machine. So the theory there is more people experiencing the games together, more viewpoints, more potential for-

Did you all have a 64 growing up? Creation of folklore. Dude, of course I did not. Of course I did. My cousins did. Yeah, I'm a little younger, that's what I'm saying. I have friends who growing up? Creation of folklore. Dude, of course I did not. Of course I did. My cousins did. Yeah, I'm a little younger. That's what I'm saying. I had friends who did, but I didn't.

Yeah, I did. Two of us did, two of us didn't. Yeah, I had one. It was the only Nintendo thing I had. I had Sega all the way and a Nintendo 64. How many of you had GameCube? Me. I had it eventually, yeah.

I did, yeah. And do you think it made you weird? Or what? I got it at the end of its life cycle. Are you aware of my grand theory? I did. Yeah. Mm. And do you think it made you weird or what? I got it at the end of its life cycle. Are you aware of my, are you aware of my grand theory? Gamecube. I had it at the end of its life cycle after already owning PS2, Xbox for years.

So I'm going to say no. I have a genuine grand theory. It's, it's a unifying theory of all nerdetry. Based on Gamecube? If you owned, if you owned a Game GameCube it made you a little weird and If it was your first console if the first console you ever owned was a GameCube You are like some some happened to you something different. Yeah, you are like out there You got socialized in a different way than other people. Yes, your social skills are different

Not bad not not worse. You're just like a different person bad Like homeschool energy You know what I mean a little bit like that's not really homeschool What's to the tenth degree like a whole vibe that feels weird if that was your first console was a GameCube You got a weird violence. I believe this in my core. There's something and if you own a GameCube at any point in time It made you a little weird Also has four controller ports For some reason it's just it also has four controller ports.

For some reason it's just the GameCube and I don't know why any other console you're finding discs that did it. It had to be your first console which probably means you were born we'll just say early to mid-90s. Yeah. Just say between 93 and 97. You're a genzier but an early one or a late millennial early you know. It was the only console you own you do not own an xbox a ps1 It's the first one you owned until you got the next nintendo product. Yeah Okay, so you're talking about a very specific person so they didn't have the ps2. They didn't have a dvd player Right with that they not have an xbox. They probably weren't on the pc Home-schooled I wouldn't go that far. I would say that they are maybe an insular child. Maybe probably, probably an only child because their parents only bought one console for

them and or a lower class because he couldn't afford more than one console even if there were multiple children. It extends to the fact that I also believe that if you at some point owned a GameCube, it corrupted you in some way. You're not fully corrupt as an only GameCube kid, but if you had it in your life, there's something about the game. I'm convinced GameCube was like, if there's ever a creepypasta, I wanted to be about GameCubes. GameCube has made people crazy. If there's a white lodge and a black lodge, okay, the black lodge, whichever one's the odd one is the GameCube

opposite, opposite of the GameCube, opposite effect, Dreamcast. Would you say your argument, your unifying theory, Jesse, would apply mostly to North America? Yeah, that's my only sample audience. We're not qualified to speak about anybody, but I can't speak about the rest of the world. Probably not even women, honestly, to be honest. I owned a Dreamcast and a GameCube. Then Alex, like what if I had both? No, then you're fine. You're a rich kid. You balanced out. You're kind of a free thing. I was beating to beat your own drum. No, it has to be. With that said, the GameCube did turn him a little weird. And it's just, we have to acknowledge it.

And it isn't, weird isn't a bad thing. I didn't used to wear shirts like this. I didn't used to wear shirts like this before the GameCube. Someone listening right now definitely was a GameCube kid. And you recognize you're a little weird. You know what I'm talking about. It's not something to be ashamed of. It's not, it's just made you weird. It's a different something to be ashamed of. It's nice. It's a new way. It's a different tribe

Yeah, this is perfect segue. You can turn Jesse into a GameCube kid for ten thousand dollars at patreon.com slash I will buy a GameCube and play all the GameCube games and you can watch me go crazy egg for 15 hours straight Is this a is this a sort of like backdoor pilot into Jesse wanting to write for an upcoming Ultimate Nintendo? Don't joke about things like that as long as you let me write the intro that is hey GameCube kids We all know you're weird, right? Because you're still a little weird yeah Indigo it has ports that don't go anywhere

It's a little weird. It's a little weird, yeah. It's indigo. It has ports that don't go anywhere. All right. But that's hilarious because here's something for Mathis to read right here that kind of goes along those lines. Oh, this is from the glossary pages that they add. They're like little glossary addendums added on to the notate like Google Drive.

So these are on there. Topol-like phantom programming data manifested into pre-existing code directly from the will of large like-minded groups of people who share intimate familiarity with a specific set of beliefs about the software. Among small groups, IDTs usually manifest as newly altered memories of the past, but with a recent surge in public interest driven by unsolved mystery and iceberg videos on YouTube, one of our field agents has begun to compile a library of simultaneously imaginary and physical software. videos on YouTube, one of our field agents has begun to compile a library of simultaneously

imaginary and physical software. Now the IDT is a terminology from the Chaluminati MK Ultra 64 team that is not passed into scientific parlance beyond this episode of this non-scientific show. Is the Federal Bureau of Control based on a branch of Chaluminati? It's all... you know that thing that you said about- Soft disclosure, dude. You know that thing you said about us seeing what we wanna see?

Think about that. All right. Okay, extremely weird stuff, the IDT. It's funny because it sounds made up, but then again, it actually, by definition, is made up. You ever see anything like that at the flea market? You ever see a spy hunter where you can get out at the end You ever see that? What how would you observe you ever see a copy of me you ever see a copy of Pokemon red with mew under the truck

You ever find one of those at the at SoCal retro? I would have looked for that Alex, but I guess I Know Pokemon ghost black version where you kill everyone including yourself yourself in the game, like on a creepy pasta. Remember that? All right, we're getting dark, but okay. I actually, we actually played through a ROM of that at a live show, a Chilinaniddy live show. It was like a living ghost story.

Mathis was not there. He was held down by the deep state, but- Yeah, the day before my ticket was like, you don't have your ticket, by the way, even though the money was taken out. I was like, ooh. Same deal with Pat right now. Make me a mad man.

He spent the money and then they told me he didn't. Okay. Yeah. Like seriously. Yeah. Oh, the state of California. So here's what's up. Here's another one of those glossary terms from the Chiluminati MK Ultra 64 team.

This is for Jesse to read. Personalized copies. Though the name is innocuous, terms from the Chiluminati MK Ultra 64 team. This is for Jesse to read. Personalized Copies Though the name is innocuous, personalized copies are an extremely dangerous concept representing the mass exodus of gamer consciousness from the bounds of terrestrial fact-based reality. A cousin to the alternative timelines fabricated by believers of the Mandela Effect to explain shared false memories. Personalized copies are supposedly uniquely minted editions of classic Nintendo 64 games

specially programmed with actual additional features. Usually a tonal dissonant nature to rest of the game. To explain natural distortions in the player's memory of games released nearly three decades ago. So obviously the jury's out on whether personalized copies are real or much like the Mandela Effect is just people creating an insane contrived story to explain a gap in their own memory. But I'd like to think it's a mixture of both. This is actually really trippy because a thing that is on the way,

whether it will actually happen or not, but it's something people are trying to make happen is personalized copies of entertainment in the future. Let's say a movie comes out and it has AI in it. And the idea is that all four of us could watch the same movie, but based on our preferences, things in that film will change because of the AI. So if we like a thing, we might see more of that in the movie.

And Pat, absolutely, The Face You Made is absolutely like, it does not seem good. Culturally, it seems like a mess, but we'd all have our own personalized copies. So if we came on here and talked about like, yo, did you guys see the end of that TV show? It could end four different ways for us depending on what we prefer. Yeah, that sucks. Okay. That's all right. That just removes the writer from the equation.

Yeah, pretty much. And the actors actually, and the director actually. All right. Anyway, here's Pat with the first of many logs that I did when I was working with these guys over COVID. Reporting agent. That's an initiate. Initiate. Alexander Fasciani. Observation period, March 10th, 2020 to March 10th, 2021. Log, March 10th, 2020. Happy Mario Day. Personalized copy of Super Mario 64 contains IDT of a non-existent gay Bowser character who was allegedly removed from most editions of the game and replaced with a more familiar

and disappointingly low poly heterosexual version seen in common mass produced versions. So if you know what he said, do you you know Mario said when they got rid of him Alex oh no You I thought this is the whole point of this. Oh, you mean this? Oh, he's got a link to it. He's prepared Alex is prepared That's what it says so So long, gay Bowser! So he- he- it's right into when you're fighting Bowser and you throw him. So long, gay Bowser! And it sounds like he's saying-

So long, gay Bowser! So long, gay Bowser! I swear to God it must be so long, gay Bowser! Well funny you should say that, funny you should say that. Math is- here's a little bit more. But then there's you are Mr. Gay as well, remember that too? That's like the Wii one? You are Mr. Gay.

No, just like in the title where all the letters are like highlighted. Oh, the Super Mario Galaxy one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hilarious. Gay Bowser IDT manifestation can likely be attributed to a misheard recording of a much more generic line, which according to longtime Mario voice actor,

Charles Martinet, was just meant to be Solong Kingabowser. Which if you listen to it back, doesn't really sound like that to me. However, I do have some evidence that this is true because he does have a Twitter. And he did, though the account that asked the question is now suspended, the answer to the question still exists. Because I wrote this quite a long time ago.

Yeah, 2019 he tweeted that. Or the other evidence that Nintendo would never have allowed right? To be in the their premier game on their new console, right? And it's funny you should say that it's funny You should say that because of what Jesse's about to read However in the 2021 Super Mario 3d all-stars collection released for Nintendo switch the line was indeed replaced with bye-bye also performed by Martina from the 1997 Japan only Shindou Pak?

Shindou Pak Taiyo. Boy Shindou Pak Taiyo version of the game which has lots of other tiny improvements on top of the altered voice acting. Available, an entry on it is available in the Ultimate Nintendo Guidebook, as you can see. Looking at it right now. As he's showing off to the patrons. First book. Yeah. There's gonna be first, first game,

and then there's a shindow right next to it. All right, go on. So we can never be completely sure exactly what Nintendo thought of the lines unless they tell us themselves. On several social media sites, certain witnesses have stated that they take it as subtle clue

that Bowser actually sees himself as more bi than just strictly gay now. As you know, I agree with this completely because Bowser is a clear example of this. Yes, I agree. Bowser put on that crown and was like, I'm down to bone Mario. I could be both. And frankly, yeah. And check this out. Here is another clip.

This is from a channel on YouTube called Colzy Gaming. I should be time coded, but it's at 439. This is the new clip from the Shindou Pack. Bye! There's no real, he really does just go, bye bye! There's really no explanation for why they changed it other than that version of the game was like a,

I don't wanna call it like a criterion edition, but it was like the special edition of Star Wars. Like it was like, it ran a little better and it was, it had a few little changes to it. Am I, am I on the mark there Pat? You want me to read the entry from the book? I can tell you. I mean, it's not a long entry. Also referred to as Super Mario 64 Shindo Edition, this re-release of the outstanding 3D platformer adds Shindo Pack, Rumble Pack, support to the game. In this version, Mario's interactions when being hit by or hitting enemies will result

in vibration. The Rumble Pack also activates when collecting red coins and extra lives or when Mario does his forward dive and ground stop. It also can be experienced in menus and when manipulating Mario's face on the title screen. Amongst other minor audio and visual differences. There it is, it's in the book. This version eliminates a movement glitch colloquially called the backwards long jump.

A marketing phrase on the game box roughly translates to get numb with the vibration pack. Oh my God. Please refer to the previous entry for a complete review of this game title. So that's crazy because that I don't know if the one in the collection has rumble or not, but maybe that's just the, maybe that all stars collection one is just a straight up port of the Shindow collection in English for the first time. I don't know.

Sure. I just got rid of the rumble support. Yeah. I don't even know it has rumble support to be honest. I genuinely don't know if Sure. I just got rid of the rumble support. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know it has rumble support to be honest I genuinely don't know if the switch version does I know the other games probably do because they all All the controllers came with it built in it to that but here's Pat with the next log entry July 14 2020 happy birthday to me Various reports from the internet described heavy IDT activity in The Legend of Zelda Ocarina

of Time centered around personalized copies which included a monster stalking the marshes of Lake Hylia. Most accounts refer to the very real giant three clawed scratches found on a large tree in the middle of the lake, much larger than could be created by any local fauna, and which were mysteriously removed from later versions of the game. The original intention behind these scratches is not currently known as the developers have not got on record regarding this topic. Here is a little screen cap of what those scratches look like.

You can see them. It looks like Wolverine just slashed the tree. Again, all these links will be in the show notes, but the it looks it literally looks like a like a PNG from like the Wolverine movie poster slapped on a tree. Yeah, it does. And the mystery there continues a little further because there's a lot of speculation about that, but nothing direct, but it is close to this other element of mystery. So this is from Mathis here. Because Lake Hylia also houses the malicious Water Elemental Morpha within the Water Temple

at its bottom, a possible connection was investigated between the Lake Beast IDT and another IDT known as the Unicorn Fountain Room. Personal copies have been recovered in which the adult version of the main character Link is able to thaw the frozen water of Zora's Domain after Morpha's death, revealing a magical fountain adorned with unicorn sculptures and burying the mystical Triforce Artifact, which can be sourced to a screen capture from a beta version of the game which appeared in Nintendo Power 106. Attempts to verify information using the Hyrule Historia were halted once we discovered the difference between canon and truth.

So first of all, here is an image that I took out of a scan of this Nintendo Power magazine. And I just wanna take a second to say, I had to send this fucking scan to my brother because I had this issue of Nintendo Power when I was like a young boy. And we were like, holy shit. Cause like every single page of it

was just like a complete memory activator. But you can see here is the unicorn fountain room screenshot that is the foundation of this whole story about the unicorn fountain room. I don't see anything about Morpha here. I don't see anything about where it is. I don't see anything about how to get there in this. Okay, when I put that in my browser it said this post may contain erotic or adult imagery. Yeah, I don't know why. It's just a screen cap from Nintendo Power.

Are you sure? Before I click on this, I'm gonna put on some FBI rest. I uploaded it. I uploaded it. I uploaded it. Let me try a different browser. So what are we supposed to be seeing in this? It's the screenshot near the bottom. There's like a little box that has like,

it's like a fountain and like literally a statue of unicorns in a fountain And okay only thing it says is that the statues will come alive It doesn't say anything about more fun doesn't say anything about anything else However, it won't load for me for some weird reason. I can't see it. Yeah, I don't know why oh well I just I'll imagine it in my mind. I've been meditating it well you won't have to imagine it in your mind because here is a Clip of it. Oh That was made in gmod that would show you what it would be like if it was real If it was real if it made it to the gate

I did it and I know like listen I'm I'm I'm a bit of an expert on video games compared to the average Joe, right? So I can tell you right away that this was not made on Nintendo 64 hardware, but I would say that it does a pretty convincing job. That's a very good job of selling the aesthetic to the average person. And when he gets into the actual fountain,

you can really see it really kind of does look exactly like that screenshot. But the reason I share this with you is because this is a screencap from that clip being used as the main image on its entry in the gaming urban legends wiki, which boldly claims that there are rumors that getting here would unlock something called the sword beam, which is from other zeldas, but is not in Ocarina of Time. So you can just see how stuff kind of this is that quasi ostention that we were talking about before. This is it happening in real time.

So here's a look, you can literally see, if you click on this link here, it literally is like, here's the unicorn fountain from Ocarina of Time. And it's literally a screen cap from the fucking Gmod, like openly Gmod video. It's not trying to be a hoax. We're just, this is just awful sourcing. That's what this is.

It's awful sourcing that has now created a literal urban legend on the internet that people share and trade. You know, like it's, it's now deepened our culture. It's crazy. This didn't create the legend. The legend is this is from your screenshot from the old antenna power issue, but now this makes it peculiarly better than some eyes. Oh, it's a clear picture of it. It's never that clear. And it doesn't say anything about it being from Gmod on the page.

Well, you know what? I'm going to narc him out. I'm going to send a nasty email to the runner of the gaming urban legends Wiki. We're going to change this. You had the power to change this Alex. I'm so sorry to the webmaster of gamingurbanlegends.com. I'm sure that when he was playing his GameCube back in the day, he wasn't expecting one day a popular NES influencer was going to come and shit on his dreams. Here is Jesse with another, we're moving on to another N64 IDT. 92720, obtained a personalized copy of GoldenEye 007 in the garage sale local

to agency headquarters containing the dam island IDT in which a briefcase covered from General Oremov in the silo stage contains an item granting retroactive access to a boat on the dam stage, which takes 007 to an island far out in the water, barely visible in the distance from the top of the Ark Angeles dam itself. Right, so everybody knows this sort of half of this urban legend, which is if you played GoldenEye as a kid and you stood on the dam in the first level of the game and you look out Over the water and you zoom in with like a sniper rifle or something that you can see this sort of

Environment that's out on the water. I don't know what it was supposed to be There's plenty of like, did you know gaming type shit out there about really what that is? But the point is that it was never really anything However, here's the IDT in a clip impossibly is you can actually watch footage of him walking out to a dock in N64 getting then he gets on a boat on a boat goes out to the dam kills everybody on the dam and throw some mines onto the turrets that are out there right and this is from a user called Subdrag on YouTube, right? And that's just a piece of paranormal evidence, right? Or maybe Subdrag is a Goldeneye modder from 15 years ago,

and he was just showing off this mod by another user called Mark Kane. Here's a link to the actual like mod hosting page on N64volt.com, which I found for a level called damn overture. Oh yeah, yeah. But oddly, the video itself from Subdrag links to this other website, which is called goldeneyevault.com,

which sounds right, but strangely is not right. And even more strangely, is not a Captain Kutche's key lime pie, even though it really feels like a Captain Kutche's key lime pie, even though it really feels like a Captain Kutche's key lime pie. So I sent you a link to thegoldeneyevault.com. It's a weird website. Seems to be one man's kind of like loosey goosey like video game journalism website. Yeah, yeah. I'm looking at like the front page of like things he has. And it takes nine years for like the picture to change. It looks like AI. It looks like AI made this website, but it did not.

So someone did a mod, put it on YouTube and then everyone else that ever saw this never read the description from April 1st, 2009 and took it as canon that this is actually in the game that you can get to this little island. It's amazing how so many people don't literally look down an inch. But there's actually more to the story.

There's actually more to the story. That's another running theme of the podcast is how many things take off because nobody takes an extra 30 seconds to do like minimal sourcing. So a lot of the time, the method of unlocking it is the part that's just pure bullshit, right?

Like getting the truck to move or whatever, or getting to the that's just pure bullshit, right? Like getting the truck to move or whatever, or getting to the end of Spy Hunter somehow, right? Here's a little quote for Pat to read real quick, and then I'll show you something else. This rumor has been reported as part of a 007 beta version numerous times based off speculative quotes from developers Mark Edmonds and Duncan Botwood, but was never actually implemented. And the many beta screenshots available from dubious online sources have been identified as a product of camera hacking. Mysteriously, the briefcase itself is actually obtainable, but only as the result of a glitch

and it has no discernible purpose. The perfect IDT breeding ground. So here's actually a clip of somebody killing Orimov, a YouTuber called Camellia, Camellia Sorus Rect, which is a great username. Love it. But this is an interesting one because even though at the time my sources were that there was, you could only do it with cheats, in researching for this episode, I was able to actually go and find actual proof that it could be done without cheats killing general Oromov,

which basically what you need to do is you need to go all the way down into the room before the hallway with Oromov and like snipe him from like inside the room. Because I guess the invincibility thing doesn't trigger until you're in the other room. I imagine like, yeah, there's a trigger for him becoming invincible. Maybe I can get David Dope to confirm that if I want. What version of the game is being played though on this? This is not the N64 version being played. It does not look like it.

It's just like a modded presentation. I guess that's my point. Because you're saying this is legitimate? Yeah, because I found this method reference more than once. It's just this is actually footage of it. There's a way to kill him with that. And even if he doesn't die, he may just run away and leave the stuff behind that does this.

But actually, yeah, you get a DD-44, the DUFF, whatever that fake gun is, briefcase and a key. And apparently the key actually does unlock the lid of the missile silo, but then it doesn't do anything. So it's weird because the whole methodology for getting all these secret things, like if you played this game and tried to do this, theoretically you could, and plenty of people

cheated to get the golden gun anyway in this game, just using easy cheats. And with the golden gun, you can just walk up and shoot him, and anyway in this game, just using easy cheats. And with the golden gun, you can just walk up and shoot him and he drops this shit and you get a key card and a briefcase and you're like, what the fuck is this? So it's perfect. It makes perfect sense why this would exist because it's, I don't even blame the, the like lazy players on this one.

The only thing that I think is weird is that somehow this got connected to the dam. I don't know why those connect. Okay. I'm looking at comments. Someone said fake. Someone said I can't do this. Someone said I've done this many times. Okay. I got to see with real hardware. I've seen plenty of references to it. I did not boot up my actual copy and try it, but I could. Okay. But here we go. Here's another entry for Mathis to read. 10-21-2020. Returned to Super Mario 64 after reports of Mario's counterparts Luigi and Wario appearing in the game,

initially believed to be mistaken references to their inclusion in the updated Super Mario 64 DS, proved and said to be unique IDT manifestations designated L is real and the war operation respectively. Okay. I've actually never heard of either of those when I was like, a kid growing up. I don't think they're actually from the time period either. Okay. To be honest with you. Yeah. Well, like, okay. So first of all, here's a trailer from E3 2004 showing Luigi and Wario playable in Mario 64 when they announced it for

DS. So this is like footage of it that you could maybe see. You could like, this is like what it looks like to have them in the game. If you've played the DS version of the game, they're all over it. But that's not what we're talking about here. These are, if you're listening to this and you're a gamer, you probably already know what L is real is at the very least. Do you know what that is, Pat? L is real? Was that a motto for Luigi? It sort of is. It actually sort of is.

So I'm going to have Jesse explain it to you right now. Personalized copies of Super Mario 64, which contain Mario's brother Luigi as an unlockable character have been documented and can be traced to an area in the back of Princess Peach's castle where a fountain with a large stone star at the center sits surrounded by ghosts with an illegible plaque at its base. IDT creation meaningfully linked the two... ...paradelia. ...paradelia from optimistic attempts at deciphering the message on the plaque solidifying around the phrase L is real 2401 and the notion that the letter L stood for Luigi

So first thing I'm gonna give you guys is some footage here and you can look at it and it's a short is a YouTube short You can see in the context of the game You were saying people like mess with you to with you to create urban legends, right? So the urban legend about how to get Luigi for this is that you need to load it up and then run in a circle around the fountain 2,401 times. And then Luigi will jump out of the fountain. And I know plenty of people have done this. It's exactly the same thing as when they were like, you have to do 150, you have to delete and restart your game 150 times in Pokemon and then on the 150th time use under the truck and stuff like that. It's like practically like Undertale

game mechanics, but it's really here. And if you're interested in what it actually says on the fountain plaque, here's a video that AI upscales the plaque itself to try and get some writing off it. Oh great. Is the assumption here that this dude in the short, basically the short that Alex sent us is a guy running around the damn fountain a bunch and then Luigi appears. And my assumption is that this is a BS thing that was made for shorts. Yes, 100% it is. But the problem is more that he doesn't say, like, I don't think he made

this to trick people into thinking that he did it and that it's real. I think he just did it for illustrative purposes. But the problem is that he doesn't say it's fake. And so like, the problem is the audience at large is dumb. They don't know what, wow, that looks fishy. And it doesn't even look like an N64 graphics anymore. It looks like a modern interpretation, which means it was probably some sort of mod that they then just scripted. So looking at the actual evidence of the AI upscaled plaque, it actually looks like the sort of fake writing

that's all over Super Mario Sunshine and stuff too. So I don't really think it says L is real unless you really squint on the blurry one. You can kind of look. I don't really believe it says L is real unless you really squint on the blurry one. Yeah. You can kind of look. Shrum. I don't really believe that the AI upscaling is like super accurate, but maybe that second one is kind of what it really, what the texture looked like. All it really did was just like, I don't see L is real anywhere in that blurry.

Like I don't. I like get what they were talking about. If like somebody drew over it in a red marker, you could kind of see, but I really, it really doesn't have a leg to stand on to be honest. Not even remotely. Yeah. No. Looks no there's too many extra characters and the first one I looks like it all one a numer- an Arabic one versus an L. Exactly exactly it really does look Arabic the font but I don't honestly I thought this was gonna go somewhere I thought this video was gonna take us to like actually it's a

secret language but really dudes like it kind of looks like Hylian font. I'm like, okay. Yeah, it does kind of look like Hylian. That's true. But so actually, but is there any, any like official source of this? And actually, here's some actual supposed footage of Luigi in Mario 64 from Space World 95, presented by Hard 4 Games, a channel that's out there that people

believe shows a small amount of footage of a Luigi type character appearing in a scrapped multiplayer mode. But I will let you guys be the judge. Low key personally, I think it's Metal Cap Mario, but there's the clip for you guys. And it's not the foreground TV. It's like the background TV. Oh yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah. That's definitely metal Mario. No dude. That's not Luigi. Yeah. That's the one in the middle.

Yeah. You see like 24 seconds in the checkerboard for a minute for a minute for a minute for yeah. Yeah. It should have been time coded. I don't know why it wasn't. Yeah, it didn't. I had to, I had to skip it to the right time. It was time for me here. I see. OK. So they play close up and in slow motion. In the way I think the external light from another TV is hitting it, even in the next clip from the game, it tinges the TV green.

Look at it. It follows into the next clip and the next clip is also green. It's Metal Mario. Yeah. You can definitely tell it's light hitting it in a way it's not really green. Yes. Cause it's at a weird angle.

And you can even see greenish tint on the TV next to it, like the one you can see. So yeah. I can see that. Not having to be able to zoom in and just seeing the clip maybe once and not being able to go over it a million times. I do want to highlight.

125. If you pause at 125, it I do want to. 25. Yeah. If you pause at 125 is so very clearly not Luigi. Yeah. Right. Like it just looks like metal. 100%. And I, I, uh, I, I want to just point out in this moment, how similar, what like the tone of how we're talking about this is to when we look at like big foot footage, just

for a second, just to like, we have to sit in that for a minute. Yeah. Cause we are the sit in that for a minute yeah because we are the experts in this field we are like this is peer review happening right here right Matthew Broderick in Godzilla when he gets called in to uh take microbes from the footprints or whatever well who who who did this video again Alex uh it was hard for games was presenting it but i don't think it's his footage. I like it's hard for games. Uh, I think they did a section of the N64. Are you serious? Tell me more. Tony visit.

Tainer wrote a very nice unreleased N64 game, uh, multiple pages, like eight pages in this guy, how about that? It's almost like I'm thinking this through when I do things. Isn't that crazy? You had no idea. Yes I did. It's literally written right here. That's the next thing I'm gonna fucking say. Anyway. I'm ruining it. I'm ruining the flow. No it's fine. Here's Pat to talk about Wario. Okay. Mario's fatter, smellier, doppelganger, that's slander. However, it appears in certain personalized copies,

not as a playable character, but rather as some sort of digital cryptid in the form of Wario's distorted and oddly menacing floating head. No specific source for them was ever discovered, but the notion of a Wario apparition can be traced to spoofed screenshots and TikTok videos of beta versions of the

game, which first appeared during a surge in interest in the game during the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic and the lore behind it seems to have gone through several community rewrites since. So just to get you guys angry immediately, here is a supposed screen capture of the Wario apparition. And you can tell me a few things that are probably wrong with this right out the gate. But this is this is this is the beginning of the legend right here. This is this is the first piece of clearly like this IDT. Yeah. Yeah. Hahaha. Like, the warrior head is like...

I love this. It's like straight up higher quality just model than the rest of it. The rest of it, that's wild. You gotta get that patreon.com so that's Shuluminati so you can see the visual. The show notes are... The show notes are public. Everybody's on their own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The show notes are public. We'll get it anyway. This is so bad. Hahaha. It's so bad. It's so bad. I unabashedly love this. It is awesome looking. It looks like the boulder from Indiana Jones, but Wario is the boulder. And it's filmed on a broken VHS tape Blair Witch camera inside of Mario 64 somehow. But it's like way too many polygons

and those are all super smooth. Beautiful modeling on the Nintendo 64. I imagine kids who were born way later and never got the fuck around with an N64 don't know better. Of course they don't. That damn TikTok generation. People say NES graphics and they're talking about fucking PS1 all the time now, that drives me nuts.

But here is actually, actually does one you want to read this firsthand account of encountering the Wario apparition? IDT inside of Nintendo 64 not sure if this information will lead to anything, but I've managed to win a fight against this thing Yeah, there's a boss fight to be had here. I haven't seen in many others talking about it I think it's something with the every copy is personalized shit. I don't know. Anyways it started with the usual things you've probably seen. Wario chasing Mario down a hall laughing and all that stuff. I managed to get to the door. I know I meant to turn off the console or whatever. I just wanted to see what would happen if I stayed in game. Anyways the actual battle part took place inside the main area of the castle. Whatever you

call it. None of the toads were there, which probably was nothing sinister. I assume toads standing around would just make everything way more difficult than it already was. Because I tell you, this shit was difficult. He breaks through a wall and starts shooting shit at me. Tbh I have no idea what he was shooting. The Mario 64 or projectile

things, you know. After endless minutes of just running around and panicking and trying to dodge him like a headless chicken, I managed to dive into him, which shoved him back a bit. Normally, every time I got close to him I'd take damage, but the shove seemed to stun him for something. I tried jumping off the wall and ground pounding on top of his head, which worked. He took damage. I think I had to do this five times in order to succeed, something like that. Not that it was easy to get on top of his head. I had to try and shove him downstairs, run upstairs before the stun was over, wall jump up from there and then ground pound. He was still shooting at me while this was happening. I honestly have no idea how I managed to do

it five times in a row. I don't remember the exact words he spoke, but he was congratulating me. He disappears out of the room, leaving a star, which I immediately snatched. I'm honestly not sure what to do from here. The portal thing he came from when he chased me, whatever it is, is open now. I could try going in there and leaving an update, I don't know.

To be honest, I thought this was just really cool. If half the shit I've read about leaving the console on while he's there is true though, who Whoo boy, maybe I should be scared, but I'm really just more proud of myself than anything We'll see if I if I try anything else. I'll tell you if I do for sure Toh I don't have a fandom account yet if I do make one it'll be some variation of that name Oh my god, it looks like I want to beivable, the like YouTube, like the old viral YouTube video. I want to jump off a bridge. Yeah, I can see that person in my mind.

Yeah, fandom user, I not only hate you because you're a fucking liar, but I hate you because you're a terrible writer on top of it. Yo, this weird portal opened. I love that he's like super casual and not descriptive about like most shit. But then he's like, but I did kill him. I hit him five times. He like, he like is trying to hit the like, he's trying to like write the legend of the warrior apparition while also pretending like he doesn't care

that much. Yeah, I mean, I mean, just the grammar, the weird use of hyphens, the question mark where it shouldn't have to appear. I'm just so annoyed on every editorial level trying to read this and listen to. It wouldn't have made the book. Let's put it there.

Yeah, if you just copy and paste it into the article, yes, I don't think that would have made it. You really have to like see that written out to get the full effect of that thing. You really need to see it written out. Oh my God. It's fucking funny. But also here's a clip from Focused on Fun at E3 1996 because I always want to try and find if

there's a real inspiration, right? I always want to try and find any sort of like from Nintendo sort of encouragement of these IDTs. So here's a clip from Focused on Fun E3 1996 posted by YouTube user Groovrater That was voiced by Charles Martinet and was originally played right before the live demo of the N64 And this crazy like laser show that you can see maybe also Might be the source of these rumors possibly the false memories falsely identified in various tick tocks on the subject as beta footage this this footage You'll see it's clearly not beta footage. Or the other thing that people say all the time,

which is insane, is that was a piece of code from the unreleased Wario Land 64 game that infected certain copies of Super Mario 64, like fucking Michael Myers infecting Jamie from Halloween 4. So here's that clip, Watch that and actually Dean, you can throw a little bit of this in because he's actually wisecracking quite a bit.

Ah, this is terrible. Who would my shovel like this anyway? And you can see if you click a little farther, if you click a little farther ahead, there's a little laser light show here also that shows a lot of cool things. Wow. There's one that's, there's like Wario talking and it's lasers somewhere in here.

If you go to like, yeah, it's the most primitive, like it feels like it's like motion, like capture-ish, like he's moving his head around, but the only the jaw like unhinges when he talks like a puppet and there's no facial animation at all. You don't think he's that scary, right? Head to about 123 in the video. Because this guy, actually, I feel like this guy's even more possibly the inspiration for the Wario apparition. Oh, yeah.

It's basically Virtual Boy head. I'm gonna throw up looking at that any longer. It's fucking horrendous. It's so scary looking. Oh, shit, that made me nauseous. I can't look at that anymore. Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, scary Wario head that is in that very scene with the with the fucking Thing you jump down to go to Bowser

You know, it's there. It's there It's from 1996 the IDT has some sort of seed based in reality and we found it and that's it. So There you go. That's the Wario apparition. That's a cool little snippet of like, it's so primitive what they're doing, but it's like, It's crazy how E3 kind of like didn't change at all for like 20 years and now it's dead. It's like crazy.

Yeah. Here is Mathis with another, another, we're moving on to another game here. It was a little personal for me. 1216, 2020, purchased a brand new sealed copy of the game Pokemon Snap after serendipitously discovering my own personally held memories were the possible result of an IDT and a personalized

copy of my own, admittedly shaken at the news but resolute. I had always understood that there were 64 different creatures to photograph as I nodded the 64-bit CPU inside the console, and that one of them was the purple snake Pokemon Ekans. I genuinely remembered seeing it in the game as a child, but after discovering that there were only meant to be 63 Pokemon in the final game, I discovered that Ekans was only ever shown in early beta screenshots and footage of the game from when it was still coming out for the Nintendo 64DD floppy disk peripheral. Is this what it feels like?

The victory of nostalgia over fact itself is in one's mind. I will continue to log my findings. So check this out. You had your own little personal Mandela effect happen. Yeah, exactly. Literally, okay, do you guys remember IGN's like origin... What was the name of it? It was like Imagine Gaming or something like that?

No, I don't, you know? I don't remember what it was, but eventually it was like Imagine Gaming Network or something like that. And then when the N64 came out, IGN's website for many years or like for several years was just IGN64.com. So I actually had- Imagine Games Network, right. Imagine Games Network. And then it just became IGN64. And I actually have a screen cap of that, of the IGN 64 shots. And there's Ekans there in the pre-release shot.

It's the only shot of Ekans that exists in any Pokemon Snap. But here's the thing, I remember going to this website when I was a kid and seeing this because my friend's big brother Took me and showed me this because I was so excited about it because I love Pokemon. So It makes sense how a stupid little kid can just conflate shit together because we just don't even remember Like if you ever listen to the podcast serial which you don't even need to listen to the entire show

It's a crazy like Unsolved Murder podcast. That's really crazy and goes into the justice system and a lot of other crazy things. But if you just listen to the first like five to 10 minutes of the very first episode of Serial from like however many years ago that was, she talks about asking all these people what they were doing two weeks ago. Like what were you doing like two Fridays ago and how inaccurate they all are is like so crazy. So it's easy to imagine how a dumbass kid like me, because I don't know what year this

game came out. I imagine 97 or 98, maybe 99. I was like 11 years old, 10 years old, right? So like, you could totally see how I could see this and just forget that I didn't ever see it in the game after years and then my memories just kind of phase together. It fades away. He's not even in the sequel to Pokemon Snap for Switch. Only Arbok is his evolution. So I don't know why that's there. So I guess rather than make up an explanation, I'll decide it to be satisfied without one. Unless

that is it, right? So that's Pokemon Snap. And then one last time, we're gonna go back to the mothership. Jesse, take us away. 2-10-21. Third investigation into Super Mario 64 after receiving a personalized copy of the game in the mail containing the hostile Dory IDT. This version of the game replaces the kind and helpful plesiosaur-like Dory with a similar looking and extremely aggressive alternate version who can pluck Mario from the water and eat him alive.

The mail was sent from an anonymous source who would only identify themselves as Mee-on. However, it's likely they may be at least one generation removed from an employee of Nintendo Japan, as it was accompanied by ample documentation of the IDT and a theory suggesting that the thought form may originate from a sign placed near Dory's underground lake, which states, a gentle sea dragon lives here, pound on this Don't become his lunch. So just the sentence, just become his lunch, don't become his lunch. Yeah, so just the sentence don't become his lunch spawned this notion that like you could become his lunch, right? So that's where hostile Dory comes in, or as lots of people call it, Mother Dory, which is another kind of weird name for this.

Allegedly, Mother Dory has black skin and a white belly with long sharp teeth and dark black fluid dripping out of its mouth. Apparently, she moves very fast and she can kill you straight to game over, regardless of how many lives you have, which is the factoid that makes me go, okay, this is absolutely fake. Even though as an expert, I know there's no way this is in the game. But like, she even can freeze the game. She can like reach through the fourth wall

and like be like, you can't play anymore. So here's a screenshot of Mother Dory hosted on the Super Mario 64 Conspiracies Wiki, which is different from the Urban Gaming Legends Wiki. There's a lot of Wikis out there, but this is Mother Dory. This is another one of these Wario apparition-esque screenshots. Oh my God. But this one actually looks pretty scary

and actually does kind of look like N64 graphics. It's so blurry. Except for the like weird Instagram filter that's on it that makes it look like it's shining. And the fact that it completely departs from the art style of Mora64. But I don't know. My Lasik surgery is getting

undone looking at this yeah it's literally it looks like I did it's acid tabs like dropped into my eyeballs like I don't even know what's going on but mother Dory looks very scary I can understand here's the other thing that I want to say people that are slightly younger than us just slightly do you guys know what liminal spaces are? Yeah, oh yeah. Like with the back rooms or something like that? Like the notion of these sort of like vaguely dream-like places.

In between. Usually like an empty office building or like sometimes the back room of a grocery store gives me this feeling or like a parking garage that goes on forever and it's empty. It's like this liminal kind of unsettling feeling. And my theory personally, similar to the GameCube theory, my theory personally about these types of spaces and

feelings and stuff. I feel like it's a millennial convention, the liminal space. I think it's people in our age group mostly who have them. And I think it's because they are our memories of places that we were freaked out by when we were young. And we didn't understand exactly where we were. So like, yeah, going to the doctor's office or going with your parents to their work or. Yeah, the rare time you go to the office with everything looks like. Yeah, whatever that is,

it makes that stuff seem creepy to us in the same way that like, as somebody on Scary Game Squad, it's very clear that like old timey music in general just comes across as very scary even if it's jaunty. Just because the quality of the sound is creepy to people. Same thing with black and white footage a lot of the time.

Clowns from a long time ago. If you look up what Mickey Mouse looked like on opening day at Disneyland, you'll be like, oh, cursed. But it's because your context is different than the people that were there and it makes stuff seem creepy. So, an old shitty screenshot like this, as somebody who was there for Nintendo 64, I'm Your context is different than the people that were there and it makes stuff seem creepy. So an old shitty screenshot like this, as somebody who was there for Nintendo 64, I'm like, this is fake.

This doesn't make sense. But to a kid who has memories of the Nintendo 64 that are from before they were an online human, it's like- Dreamlike. It's very dreamlike. Triggering that liminal feeling and kind of creeping them out. So I think that's part of the- Which actually, liminal spaces are. They're very dreamlike as well. They are very kind of like, almost in between waking reality and sleeping. Yes, exactly. And to close us out today, let's do one more quote here for Pat to read. And we'll do that right now.

Today marks the end of a one-year examination of this phenomenon. Four-wall investigations finished up earlier this morning, but on my way back to the office after lunch, I bought a blank cartridge with the word MAJORA on it from a suspicious old man at a garage sale. I may not record my findings here, but I cannot think of a more fitting ending to this year of strangeness than to just sit back, relax, and enjoy a video game for fun at my own pace. I hope my next assignment is less harrowing than this one. I've been absolutely Ben drowning. I'm absolutely Ben drowning in work lately. Oh, there's it's it's LBN

not being okay. I've absolutely been drowning in work lately. Sure. And this she had fast. The only end of like, yeah, yeah. And he was never seen again. Alex died that day. Ben got him. Yeah. Can I, can I break some walls here? Am I allowed to break walls for the course? What walls? Okay. There's no walls here is the fact that I have the second draft of this after my editor key went through it and gave some notes and to Alex's credit, he was amenable to one of the things that he said to him, a suggestion for the article.

She had a suggestion in the comment section, which now the comment section just disappeared. What I was looking at, oh, that's a mystery. But yeah, so this is a great job, Alex. This was very insightful. You did a lot of research for it. And I'm glad that like two, two and a half years later, the public got to indulge in your genius a little bit. It's, it's hard. It's hard being me. What's interesting about this is that these aren't

Easter egg based things. Like a lot of modern gaming, you'll see things like from dead space, paying or world of warcraft had that crack in the middle of the ocean. Uh, speaking of ocean battlefield had that, that Megalodon. Yes. The big shark that was like you climb the tower and it like, whatever. Yeah.

There's a whole mystery about it. Like a lot of modern games do that now with the ad little things in to kind of, you know, spice it up a little bit. And in the past they used to do that too, except it was, you'd find a room and it had the devs photos in or whatever. But these aren't that this is like completely born of fiction created by someone and then propagated online. It's fascinating. This stuff is really cool. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Because there was like the one,

the one real thing that actually happened out of all this, you referenced Majora's mask and there was a very, very early, very early urges of the game have, have a song in it that quote for, that quotes from, uh, uh, the book of, uh, Koran that they then took out of the game. No, no, no. That's, that's ocarina of time. That's a fire temple from, but, but, but, but, yeah, oh, sorry. But that actually happened. Yeah. Real talk. It was like a Muslim prayer. Yeah. So like that to me would be something that kind of would fit into the mold of an article

like this. Or it's like, that's like the one of the few things that people could have said, did I hear that when I was a kid? But it's like the very first versions of that game that were available. And the only way to check that is by playing in the game. There's no, I think the certain amount of weight that you can tell otherwise by playing to that point in the game. Maybe if you like learn some sort of like barcode number or something you can maybe guess whether it was in there but they didn't they didn't make any sort of it wasn't like a different addition it wasn't like they didn't even put like a rev a label on it was just crazy same label we're just gonna change change the rom you know for that and take that out a little disc, you know, take that out. It's a little discreet, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

That's that's actually chaotic of them to do that. Others can change the game and like not say that'd be like, if like, you know, like if, why would you say it'd be like if they didn't advertise the different endings of Clue almost not exactly, but I don't think that's for, for a very small part of the game taking out one little part of it, you know, the song, I don't know if it was hard. That's not the ending of Clue. Maybe that went hard.

Maybe the vocals went hard. Maybe it was maybe define the Fire Temple for some people. You never know. But yeah, other than that, you know, that's a, it's very interesting. I'll just say this, Alex. I'm glad that you got the chance to get your creativity out there. Yeah. But in the same token, I think you owe your co-host another episode of research because this was just like you dust it off the old research from years before

This is this is secondhand dusty research that technically my book That's the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of December 7th? Sure. December 7th. Alex. How about for December 14th? Alex. How about for December 21st? Oh, Alex.

We're taking a break for Christmas. We're taking a break for Christmas. What about January 4th? Why? What about January 4th? January 4th? Alex. What about January 11th?

Why? Alex and Alex all the way through January. What about January 22nd? Wait a second. Also Alex. Oh, why? Let me put it this way. I have nothing else to say.

Alex did this to himself. Yeah. He. Well, I was going to say this is more now an indictment on YouTube. No, I have. Because then I have, it looks like the next three months, kind of how it goes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're doing it in quarters.

I thought you rotated a week. We usually rotate a little bit more, but Alex has like a lot of shit he's been wanting to do now that he's married, he can do it. Yeah, I'm ahead. What? I had the wedding planning and doing all this stuff and now it's off my plate. My joke no longer works.

I got you. Because you're dumb schedule. I got you. They didn't get me. I don't know your production schedule. Going to Ben Drowned. You got him. I got him.

Going to Ben Drowned again, even though it's become much more slocky of an arg these days, and if you don't know what it is, don't worry. I'll read a little bit of the original Ben Drowned post from 2010 in the mini-sode today, just to continue our little theme. But before we go, I just wanna say thanks again to Pat for coming on the show today.

Always great to have him on. Please listen to the not so common podcast hosted by Pat and myself. Head over to ultimatenintendo.com to preorder your copy of his brand spaking new giant hardcover N64 book today. Anything else you wanna say to the people send to them? Any way you wanna sweeten this deal for them? You know what Alex, thanks for teeing it up for me.

Because I enjoy being one of the more popular guest hosts of the Chloé and I podcast, and I appreciate all of you out there. Most popular, arguably. Okay, I don't know who my competition is, but just for you all, if you go to ultimateintentor.com, promo code CHILL, C-H-I-L-L, you'll save five bucks off the digital and physical book combo pack for both the standard edition

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You know what? if you can't get that cheap thing, maybe you didn't need it. You know? Maybe you didn't need it. And finally, before we go, included in the file was one last blurb in the form of a special text box to go along with a museum exhibit in the lobby of the Chiluminati building about IDTs that we were working on for MK Ultra 64. So I have this one little blurb left for you to read Mathis that's gonna provide a little last nugget for us to chew on and ponder on our way out of here. How IDTs are born.

Like most inexplicable insidious experts, wait, like most inexplicable insidiousness, experts consulted by the MK Ultra 64 program have recently determined IDTs to be the paranormal result of blatant falsehoods passed off as truth by bold and self-serving content creators purposely deceitfully or not. In the gaming space, the exact method of this determination remains classified and will not be included in this report, though one supposed leak memo from behind the mushroom curtain

suggests NUS025 listening devices were used at key points to gather intelligence by forces unknown to this agency. That's the Hey You Pikachu microphone by the way. Huh? That's the Hey You Pikachu microphone by the way. Oh, is it? I never had a Hey You Pikachu, but yeah, fair enough. I can see the CIA using that.

And more importantly, regardless of whether they wanna say face, chase, clout, or impress their retro console enthusiast peers, it's these short-sighted mind virus typhoid Marios that poison the minds of honest tax-paying gamers, whose only crime is that they simply don't know any better and believe it in good faith. Sure, it's easy to doubt the word of some stranger you met vaping outside of SGC 2013, but if that stranger's got an uncle who works for Nintendo, signed special agent Fox McMolder.

Wait a second, did you meet me outside SGC 2013 while you were vaping? I must've, but that's not what I was referencing. But that almost tracks, I think I met you at an SGC. I went to every SGC for like several years. Um, but yeah. So I mean, that's where I would have ran into you the first time. Very possibly. I think I made a, maybe went to the marathon first. I can't remember. I don't know. No, you did not. The marathon,

you didn't come to the marathon until 2017. I don't know anything about time anymore. Can I make another observation? So I have the dress. I'm just, now I'm just curious. This is getting into, you know, uh, analyzing Alex's writing technique, or not technique, analyzing your thought process. Originally you were Lieutenant Alexander Fasciani in your first draft, then you changed it to Initiate. Oh yeah, yeah.

I'm just curious about why that change happened. Lieutenant is not actually a rank which exists in the Chiluminati, so I just had to make up a rank that was similar to the real one. It's left tenant. Yeah. So, so it's initiates the real, this is the real logs from the real time, but the, the one for the book, I tried to cheeseburger it up a little bit. You know what I'm saying? And speaking of cheeseburgers, what do you think about me putting the cheeseburger version of the article on patreon.com slash money pod? Is that, is that, is that, is that devaluing your book? If I do that for the

patrons, I don't know. We got, we got to about rights, licensing fees, residuals. We'll figure it out. But if we come to an agreement on this, if our lawyers draft up a contract that we're happy with, maybe you guys can check out the cheeseburger version. So this has been really three years of hate towards me for not letting, for not letting your cheeseburger version. You, you are cut. So this has been really three years of hate towards me for not letting your cheeseburger article get into the bar. Or I'm feigning animosity now to get people to sign up for my Patreon and buy your fucking 64 book. There you go.

You're the one. You're the one. Mathis, get rid of us. Thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you again, Pat, for being here. I'm sure we'll see you again on the show before long. We'll be over at patreon.com slash TrilluminatiPod to go do a mini-sode like we do every week.

We appreciate you. We love ya. Goodbye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Hello everybody, welcome back to the Jaluminati Podcast. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by the... I don't know who they are, there's two...

What? Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer. No! Neo and Trinity. I don't understand and I probably never will. Let me just tell you right now that there's two... Leon Kennedy and Claire Redfield. I'm telling you, I think he literally just looked up famous duos.

Cheech and Chow. And it's been going through the list ever since. I'm trying to dig deep. Which one of you is Dick Powell? Me? Your name's Jesse Cox! I want my my baby I want your luv and all day I want my my baby I want your luv and all day I want your luminati I want your Illuminati I want youraluminati podcast. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Marhen, joined by Alex and Jesse.

Like a shooting star across the sky that's actually a UFO. Bye!