Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 281 - Cornerfest '25 Part 2

Starting point is 00:00:00 You're getting closer. You can feel it in your whole body. The fear. Calculating every detail. Heart racing as you move to the front of the line and tap to pay. We understand. When you're in debt, everything looks different. Like the fear of the cost of buying anything. At Farber Debt Solutions, we can help you see things the way you did before you were in debt. Farber Debt Solutions, licensed insolvency trustees. Get the truth about debt. Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati Podcast, episode 281. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Barnes, joined today by the Frank and Fiona Finnell of L.A.

Starting point is 00:01:06 Jesse and Alex. Welcome, gentlemen. Frank and Fiona. I don't even know what that I don't know what that is. So when Shrek turns into a man from the. Like a very attractive man with his like Frank Finnell is my name from the television show The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin from 1976 to 1979 from the UK of course three seasons of course how they were on a whole different level when that's the name of a show like that would never fly in America the fall and rise of insert name of guy no that's like name of man that's like the subtitle of like a, I don't even know, like a made for TV

Starting point is 00:01:48 movie based on a cartoon TV show. Here's the, here's the pitch. Sick of his marriage, his family and the daily grind of his job, Reginald Perrin comes up with the only logical solution for such a deep midlife crisis. He fakes his own death. After various attempts at creating a new life, Reginald adopts a disguise and returns to his old life to find That nothing much has changed even remarries his wife Elizabeth after wooing her at his own funeral and he gets a job at his former company where he manages his own memorial fund This this would this show be called old life in America Yeah

Starting point is 00:02:22 God Wait who's that fucker? Frank and Fiona then? I think it's the name of, I don't know. I don't know why that's what they're calling me. Is there real like their real names, the actors names, Frank and Fiona are married in real life. And then they were actors on the show. Is that true?

Starting point is 00:02:42 Rolls I'm looking real quick. What are you making this up? I'm just trying to tell you what Google's telling me about this. I'm just you have like a specific GPT that's just like a UK sentry. Not even using chat GPT. I'm not I don't use that shit. I'm literally just using Google. Fall and rise of regional parent. Yeah, I don't understand why it's called why the other two names are.

Starting point is 00:03:02 But your Google search term is like my favorite shows from the UK TV Like if Fiona Fennel the rise and fall of reginald parent I don't understand maybe the baby UK is just a weird place and that if you understand why these two names are Involved with this show where I cannot see their names, please tell me in this enigmatic situation. I'm definitely a Frank. All right Yeah, right. I mean like whatever I'll be Fiona Fiona. If you own I am the hot redhead after all Yeah, because let me be Frank. Let me just let you be Frank. Just let me be Frank Maybe that's his maybe that's his uh his like new life name and then that's what the show is called in America's Just let me be Frank

Starting point is 00:03:38 Just let me be Frank is that yeah, it would be she called that America. Let me be Frank Leslie show field was in this and he was in, he was an Imperial officer in a new hope. Okay. That's good. That's tied to your other podcast, Star Wars, new Canon book club right there. Yeah. Wow. Look at that full circle guys. Listen, if you're loving this interplay between these three hosts, head over to the star Wars old Canon Book Club where Mathis is replaced with Davis, who just in general feels everything that

Starting point is 00:04:11 he feels a little harder than all the rest three of us. It's very fun to like introduce a mind-blowing concept to Davis and watch his reality unravel in real time. Unless of course you betray him, in which you will never forgive you. Fair enough. Yeah. Guys... Telling him about quantum mechanics was a great night.

Starting point is 00:04:32 Yes. Guys, it's Cornerfest 25, episode B. What do you guys think about that? You guys ready? How are you guys feeling after the first week of Corner Fest? The internet seems to love it. I can't, I can't, you know what, even though I think you're mad, a madman from, from the lost minds of insanity, um, yeah, apparently they're here for it. So you know what? I'm going to take this ride, but I also am willing to settle on the fact that our audience may just be insane. I think it's just all about,

Starting point is 00:05:11 you know, following the right life path number, getting your ducks in a row, just focusing behind creativity. You tackle these things like Indiana Jones and he tackles them like Voss. Right. Right. I've always said Alex was a Nazi. Yeah. An obsessed Nazi. Yeah. I've said that about Alex for you. What are you guys thinking of? Cornerfest episode B. You remind me of a Nazi. You remind me of a Nazi. Yeah. You know what? I get you're right. You're right. Thank you. Thank you. Right. And he's named after the fucking Norwegian water. I'm just unforgettable, a forgettable girlfriend that gets thrown away at the end of the movie. So don't worry. Guys, here we are yet again with another entry in our annual festival of bizarre

Starting point is 00:05:54 mysteries from around the internet. That's right, folks. It's time for cornerfest episode B, the second in our four week festival of weird mysteries from all around the internet. And you know, it's funny. I mentioned last week that an ancient ruin had been discovered, left by an older, less practical version of our mighty order. And it's so funny.

Starting point is 00:06:14 But what they found from the writings and stuff that they've unearthed in that discovery, which we quoted last week, is that the Chaluminati actually used to do something just like this back in antiquity too, just like corner fest. Wow. Except it had like more of like an occult pagan vibe because it was older. And the whole point of it was just about being brave about staring into the void, because that's the only way to learn new stuff, etc, etc, gain new perspectives, life path number three, whatever, whatever, the Chiluminati actually is mostly just chill and not that sinister, blah, blah, blah. But long story short. Not that sinister, implying there's some still base level of sinister-ism built in.

Starting point is 00:06:53 If you have secrets, you're sinister. I can't do anything about it. Long story short, to just like honor that legacy or whatever, I have personally been authorized to share a quote from one of our most chill at rest who presided over the organization in the early to mid 50s. He is now for the continued safety of his kin, only going to be referred to as LBM in context. But here's Jesse with some of his most famous words of wisdom to get week two of Corner

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Starting point is 00:07:57 And with that, Cornerfest week two begins. Thank you all for listening. If you want our show artist, Studio Molector Molector to make a tour shirt for Cornerfest, find us on blue sky and let us know. Here's to a killer 25. I love you guys. Let's hop to it. Starting with the DMT laser experiment.

Starting point is 00:08:16 Oh my God. Surprises if you're looking at the poster. So you might just get on. I know we're about to get into. I love this thing. Can I just say when I first discovered this, it was fascinating because they were like, the video I saw started with like, we figure out a way to like level lasers against a wall and be able to see the code. So what you have to do is you have to like put the lasers in a particular angle, put

Starting point is 00:08:43 them against the wall, and then you have to take a hit Of DMT and I was like what? A science experiment and then hit me with and then I took a hit of DMT you fucking crazy person What but nevertheless you must admit you must admit that in the field of psychedelic research There is something to the notion that we are maybe altering ourselves in the same way to experience the ability to, you know, cross our consciousness to another state of being, which is not totally unserious, right? And just so that you're all boned up on what Mathis is talking about. A few months ago, I got a DM about this guy, Danny Gohler,

Starting point is 00:09:26 I think. Maybe we briefly talked about this topic on the show before. I don't remember possibly. Hang on, Jesse, are you familiar with this at all? I don't think so. Yeah, maybe we covered it in a mini-sode for like a few minutes. We definitely did not.

Starting point is 00:09:37 I don't think we've talked about this at all. I think you know, I know. Jesse's coming at this blind. It's amazing. I think at least you and I, Mathis, have like chatted about this. Well, you've probably talked about a lot of I do remember we were having conversation before one of our live shows. We were talking about this very subject

Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah, I was like they don't I wasn't message that and you guys were laughing cuz of course they wouldn't message me Cuz I'd be like nah, dude. No crazy. Yeah, of course. They only message you to write right? I remember this Yeah, so I follow up on the DM They lead me to an episode of the fucking Danny Jones podcast that came out really recently about the same guy, Danny Goller. Here's a link to that podcast. If you want to see it in the show notes, the host is not somebody who vibrates on my wavelength. Zero disrespect.

Starting point is 00:10:20 It's just not my thing. But the link is going to be in the show notes. If you want to see it, it's just not my personal zone. If you guys want to see it, show notes if you want to see it. It's just not my personal zone. If you guys want to see it, I'll give you the link. But it's like a fucking two hour podcast. So yeah, I'd be happy. But apparently this experiment he's been doing is that he's been asking people on DMT, just like Mathis said, to look at laser beams

Starting point is 00:10:37 that are on the wall, where, according to him, pretty universally in a way where like 15 people can all see and discuss the exact same thing at a party and it and one thing they always say is that it stays in relation to where their eyes are different than most hallucinations like relative in space all of them can move around it and see the same stuff there seems to be some kind of visible digital language or code written inside the beam that looks something like, but not necessarily exactly the same as, the Matrix. So here's a quote from Goeller for Mathis to read to give you a sense of what kind of

Starting point is 00:11:19 guy he is. And then watch this clip for a second, starting in about two minutes to like 2.25 and then let the people know what you're seeing. You want me to read first or watch this clip for a second starting in about two minutes till like 225 and then let the people Let's do that. We're gonna do that. We're gonna do the quote first, and I'll give you guys the clip Yeah, so like when I first saw phenomenon. It was like holy shit, but then it was actually like whoa What's happening am I losing my mind, but then I showed other people and things just kept getting weirder I showed over a hundred people and I kept asking myself How are all of us seeing the same thing where I take just moment finding over a hundred people to do DMT with you is Insane. That's a lot of people who are just like he seems like a pretty privileged guy. Let's put it that way. Okay

Starting point is 00:11:58 The laser was revealing numbers and letters running in a pattern It looked like programming code for centuries mankind has attempted to explore these psychedelic altered states, but we've never had a repeatable testable phenomenon to observe. Until now. I mean, like, take yourself through that. Like, I just made a connection that nobody made before, which is a simple connection. The claim is if you project a diffracted laser on a surface and you smoke DMT, you will see code writing in the surfaces. Yes, like in the Matrix. So there are a few possibilities. One, I lost my mind, which is the coolest losing your

Starting point is 00:12:34 mind ever in history. The second option is, this is the biggest discovery of humankind. If anybody asks themselves what it would be like to know you lived in the matrix for sure Well, I know for sure I'm convinced. So where do we go from here? All I know is it's about to get crazy Yeah And this this clip you should start at about two minutes and watch it for like 20 seconds and just tell everybody what you're watching Okay, so it's immediately just like it's a red. It's a project on a white door. They're projecting a red cross of the red cross is like a laser and

Starting point is 00:13:10 people who are on the empty get really close to it. Almost like pair perpendicular to the laser. They're looking at it and they're just like, Oh, well, my God. I see it. I don't, I don't understand what I'm. I'm watching a bunch of people on invariant 10 psychedelic. Right. Staring at a laser, they draw on a door or wall. It's a projected laser cross. And what are they seeing?

Starting point is 00:13:37 Like Matrix, like code Matrix code in like a sort of like in space, like into the wall, into the code of reality through the laser. It's like almost like making it easier for them to see on a different plane. It's a wild thing to record like this too, because like nobody who's watching the video is seeing what these people are seeing. It just looks like a bunch of people on psychedelics staring at a wall. Staring at a wall. Yeah. So I know is one of the top uploaded comments is Rogan will be all over this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's all I need the top uploaded comments is Rogan will be all over this

Starting point is 00:14:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's like that's all I need to know this is insane stuff So I don't know it does seem like lots of people are seeing something similar that is true But it's not like a controlled experiment like you're saying. It's just dudes looking at a wall It's just people saying what they're seeing it seems convincing enough. They're acting at least But it like you guys are saying there's a Rogan II mysticism energy to it that is like, unserious. And when I looked into this supposed supposed human behavior expert, an interrogation consultant guy called Chase Hughes, who they showed this to and he was like very gung ho about it. I thought he was like a guy that they were impressing because he's like a

Starting point is 00:14:46 scientific expert, which is like the vibe that they were giving. But like, this is the guy, here's his good reads page. Uh, so you can see this book and you can kind of just let the people know what's going on with his book. The passport is the name of the book and it's like the, uh, what is it? The David anatomy picture. Uh, but except it's very, it's just a square and a circle with a, what's a girl silhouette inside of except it's very it's just a square and a circle with a what's

Starting point is 00:15:08 a girl silhouette inside of it, but you know what type of book it is, right? Okay. Let me just read the descriptor to you. I hate this. This sucks. This it's called the passport. It looks like a passport and it says yeah for some reason though, it says

Starting point is 00:15:22 TM at the top when you look at like what it it just says TM don't know what that means but then it says live above other men what if there was a there were secret techniques to get any woman you wanted you're holding all of it you have to pick you have your pick of women when you walk into a room get phone numbers in three minutes flat, kiss gorgeous women within 15 minutes, get women chasing you today and in a literal N, have capital H, women trying to impress you, be the guy women leave their boyfriends for, make everyone wonder if you're a celebrity, never be put in the friend zone again. Here's what I'm gonna say.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Well, first of all, let me just also say if the people have to wonder if you're a celebrity, you're not you're just not a celebrity. That's just how it works. This is like alright. Yo, I'm just gonna mmm mmm okay. Dear everyone ever ever who has ever taken advice like this or listen to like an Alpha Bro podcast or any of that **** not listening to this podcast but if there is a reason. Yeah, of course not but share it with your friends there's a reason why they want you to still

Starting point is 00:16:29 like they can't sell you **** like this if you're not single and you're not kind of pathetic they want you in that state permanently so you will keep coming back so this isn't good advice this is advice that will get you perpetually not kissing any women and you will literally have to keep coming back to them because it's a con Please don't fall for this stuff. Don't listen to them It's a scam please as Alex said AK Voss in Indiana Jones in the great circle That's a little confrontation a little affirmation and insecure man are so easy to manipulate. That is Alex, it's really, really great. The bad guy has like a little subordinate bad guy, but he's like a super Nazi. He just really wants to be good for the fatherland.

Starting point is 00:17:13 And he's just like, he's such an insecure man. All he got to do is like hype him up and he's super into it. That's what you're saying is it's a compliment that I remind you of this Nazi. Um, no, no, he's still an asshole, but the topic is- Not the asshole part. It's the crazy architect into the conspiracy world part that you have in common, right? Those trains, right?

Starting point is 00:17:34 Anyway, he also used to offer, the same guy, used to offer a $19,987 four-day, quote, elite training workshop called the Black Course, which I've got an archive of for 2023 if you want to see this website. It's way cheaper to just get your own DMT, shine a laser on the wall and go stare at it. This guy is not that guy. This is just a guy that he was like, this guy knows what I'm talking about.

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Starting point is 00:21:45 That doesn't even make fucking sense. Sorry, a government level artificial intelligence. What do you even mean? Like what? It's like made up. What sucks is like this is the exact same level of con as dudes selling pheromone perfume or cologne. Oh, big time. Where it's like, ladies will not resist you if you put this on. It's like, what are you talking about? It's based on like, you never asking a question after sixth grade. It's like, the kind of person that needs this. But yeah, it made me kind of lose steam on the idea,

Starting point is 00:22:14 like looking at the people that were involved and seeing this type of shit. And I was like, just kind of disheartened by it. So like I say, these things are all based on things that I didn't make episodes about in the end, right? But I decided to turn to the opposite type of guy, of that guy. I went for a credentialed theoretical physicist who's an expert at string theory and supersymmetry, and that's when I found a guy called S. James Gates. S. James Gates is currently the director of the Brown University Theoretical Physics Center

Starting point is 00:22:44 and the Ford Foundation Professor of Physics. He holds the Clark Leadership Chair in Science at the University of Maryland College of Computer, Mathematical and Natural Sciences Physics Department and served on President Barack Obama's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. That was back when they actually used to put scientists on that type of council. So here's a quote from a paper he had published in Physics World, this is S. James Gates, in 2010 about something called aden-cross, aden-cruss, which are geometric objects that encode mathematical relationships between supersymmetrical particles. Do you guys know what supersymmetry is?

Starting point is 00:23:23 No. No. No. So here's the definition from Wikipedia if you need it. Supersymmetry is a theoretical framework in physics, and I'm sure you're gonna recognize this, that suggests the existence of a symmetry between particles with integer spin, bosons, and particles with half integer spin, aka fermions.

Starting point is 00:23:41 It proposes that for every known particle, there exists a partner particle with different spin properties. That's what supersymmetry is. All right. So what you just described was the technical term, but I still don't know what it means. So anyway, here's a here's a quote for you to maybe illustrate it a little better. We were led first to graphical technology, something we called the Aiden cross. Yeah, this is a word that comes from traditional West African languages. But we've found these mathematical objects which sit inside the equations with the property

Starting point is 00:24:11 of supersymmetry. Then, second I still don't understand what supersymmetry is, then secondly, even more shocking for us, when we analyze these objects very carefully we found out that they have attributes of ones and zeros, in precisely the same way that computers use ones and zeros to send digital information. And in particular, the kinds of codes we found, which was the most shocking thing for us, is that there's a class of codes that allow your browsers to work in an accurate way. What?

Starting point is 00:24:42 They're called error-correcting codes. We found a role for error correcting codes in the equation of supersymmetry. And this was just stunning for us. In fact, it was so stunning that it was at least eight months before any of us would sort of admit how bizarre it was. Could it be that codes in some deep fundamental way control the structure of our reality? I still don't know what they're talking about. So supersymmetry is that thing about like, is there, is there a link between like particles that are like different from each other

Starting point is 00:25:16 that like is like universal across? Or is this just aren't like the three of us sitting around trying to interpret it? Cause I feel like this is what they think it is. And we're trying to interpret what they think it is. And I feel like this isn't what they think it is, and we're trying to interpret what they think it is, and I don't think it is what they think it is. No, supersymmetry is very established as a thing, but the point is that these shapes that they're, they're like mathematical shapes

Starting point is 00:25:35 that they're investigating, right? That these are dincrusts that are like, they are visual representations of things that you can then get. They can like interpret the data inside the shape as code. I don't even know that's true. OK. Hey, hang on. Now, this is OK.

Starting point is 00:25:56 I've never done that. You mentioned understands a quote from them, but I don't think they know what it is. I don't think they're smart enough to know what this is. And I think we're relying on their interpretation of it. This is I think they're smart enough to know what this is and I think we're relying on their interpretation of it. This is I think they're wrong. Let me give you this is an AI Eli 5 of super symmetry. Okay, we'll see if this helps. It says imagine a set of Legos.

Starting point is 00:26:14 You've got regular bricks. Let's call them matter bricks. And then you have special bricks that can connect things in different ways like those long thin ones or the ones with the hinges. We'll call those force bricks now in the world of tiny particles Physicists have found all these different matter particles like electrons and quarks and force particles like photons and gluons They're kind of like are the Lego bricks making up everything around us, but here's the thing physicists are curious They wonder if there's a secret connection between these matter bricks and force bricks Particles of each like maybe they're not so different after all that's where supersymmetry comes in

Starting point is 00:26:50 It's like a magic mirror that says for every matter particle Lego There's a hidden force particle Lego twin and vice versa these twins are called super partners So your electron Lego would have a select Ron twin and your photon Lego would have a fo Tino twin and so on it's like they're looking at the world where like there's for every particle another particle that it makes them more related to each other than you originally think two sides of the same coin and they said connected in a way we don't fully understand yet the reason this is exciting if supersymmetry is real It could explain some big mysteries in physics like why is gravity so weak?

Starting point is 00:27:28 Maybe the Gravidon the force particle for gravity has a super partner that's messing with it What is dark matter perhaps some of these undiscovered super partners are the mysterious dark matter that makes up most of the universe I said I completely understand what you're saying there. Like I get the concept. I'm saying The way they're describing it and the way they say then secondly even more shocking for us when analyze these objects very carefully We found out by the way, I don't know what we analyze very carefully means in their context We found out that they have attributes of ones and zeros Precisely the same way computers use ones and zeros for digital information and in particular these kinds of codes We found the most shocking thing for us was that the codes allow your browsers don't know what

Starting point is 00:28:07 that means. They're more accurate way they're talking about they're talking about. So what he's saying that has supersymmetry is that for certain math equations, right? He's there there these these cutting edge like Obama's guy for cutting edge theoretical string theory in supersymmetry is discovering a analog mathematical object like shape that sits inside the equation in supersymmetry with it. That's like a shape, right? And what builds up the shape is a structure of order that is can be interpreted as ones and zeros just like code, right? And so he's saying like in your web browser and things like that, to be accurate across all the different computers and systems that they're on.

Starting point is 00:28:51 There are error correcting codes that are built into code that runs websites and stuff to like correct errors in the processing of the code. Right. And what they're saying is that in these mathematical objects that are made of ones and zeros, they're actually perceiving error correcting code in the ones and zero structures that make up those mathematical structures that are super symmetrical with certain complex math equations in like, yeah, really, really, you're so smart. We're just real three smart dudes. I must say, I do not understand.

Starting point is 00:29:23 I like, I'm trying to understand what you're saying. I do not get it at all. I don't know why I think I do. And I guess I'm trying to figure out how this relates to the previous conversation we were just having. Sure. The experiment. Well, what I'm saying is, is there code that makes up reality and what this cutting edge string theorist is saying is, yes, they're fucking is

Starting point is 00:29:42 to the point that it even has error correcting code built into it and that's the guy who's cutting edge and credentialed. You know what cubits might be? But I feel like this whole thing is us putting that ones and zeros shit on stuff that isn't ones and zeros. So like, that quote that I read about the ones and zeros, that's from the leading supersymmetry physicist. No, no, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. I feel like though taking that to the next level is, it is us taking this information.

Starting point is 00:30:12 It would be like if we did this, like I don't think the other dudes are qualified enough to then take this high level information and say, this is what it means. Cause I see it on laser. Yeah, D&T man, what is D&T man's like history? Like what is his credentials? He's just like a guy on the internet who does. Cause I see it on laser. What is D&T man's history? What is his credentials? He's just like a guy on the internet who does.

Starting point is 00:30:27 That's what I'm saying. I don't. He's not connected. I just want to be clear that laser guy is not in any way connected with this physicist. Right, they're two different organizations. I'm just looking into the claims of this guy being able to see into reality.

Starting point is 00:30:42 I get you. By adjusting his perception. Like a rooted in actual science, potential connection that could explain what he's seeing. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying there's a difference between taking, like I was literally just talking with this,

Starting point is 00:30:54 to this with Crendor last week, about this exact same subject. And he was like, I don't get how computers work. And I was trying to explain them ones and zeros. And I was like, the easiest thing is the light switch. On is a one, off is a zero. That's it, zeros. And I was like, the easiest thing is a light switch on as a one office zero. That's a simple. Um, and that's what makes the Google's willow chip fucking scary. Yeah. And I can understand how you could take the idea of one zeros and extrapolate it on to reality. I get that completely. What I don't get is this the other guy, not

Starting point is 00:31:20 that person we're just talking about the other guy, the DMT guy being like, I look at a laser and I see ones and zeros like that. Well all there's one way there's one way to uh there's one way to get to the bottom of it that's probably not very expensive listen I said I'll do DMT one time before I die if this is for this for sideways I think we have to record it though we have to record the entire experience oh my god I'm so afraid what are we like what am I going to see uh we'll get gonna see? We'll get a nice share put to guide us. But the implications are almost like theological if you think about it, like what he's saying, right?

Starting point is 00:31:51 And in fact, here's Mathis with another quote from him, from S. James Gates on NPR's on being. In the mindset. With Christa Tibbet, he's taking a big hit right now, on how this could, how this information could unify the relationship between science and religion, since ultimately they both just strive to define our existence in a meaningful way, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:32:14 Wouldn't it be fucking crazy if I just took a hit of DMT right now, and just, the rest of me. If you just open your mouth and pure truth just starts spewing from it that blows our ears out, like Indiana Jones. Yeah. Okay. About the adenchrus and the codes, this blogger who to this day, I don't know this young man, read the article and he raised the question that if the equations of

Starting point is 00:32:36 fundamental physics are based on information theory and essentially information theory is at the very center of string theory, how'd you get there? And his implication is that indeed this is something for theologians to contemplate, you know, that was again, for me, a stunning assertion, and it still has yet to be fully studied, but it probably will not be studied by physicists. Right. And in fact, he thinks these concepts might end up being like discovering genes was in

Starting point is 00:33:03 biology, the adenchrus and the like coded shapes then stuff like that is like almost like discovering genes in biology where they put together that it's the genes that make the cells which make the life forms where adhinkras are like the genes of math, or even like the genes of the universe. And just to maybe try and break through a little bit again, here's another one more quote for Jesse to read about that. Let me find it.

Starting point is 00:33:30 Who is this from? This is from the same guy, S. James Gates. So we found some kinds of objects that are more primitive than strings that ultimately I expect are going to be the genes of string theory too. So we've found some fundamental mathematical objects that if supersymmetry is real are going to be controlling the math that describes our universe. And for me that's amazing because when I was young I always

Starting point is 00:33:53 wondered if I could find a magical piece of mathematics that was also an accurate description of nature. And so if supersymmetry is discovered, I would have done exactly what I set out to do when I was younger. I guess that I like that quote because one, it says we don't know if supersymmetry is real or not, but two, it really stresses the fact that mathematics is our way of understanding the universe. Yeah. And we're putting ones and zeros onto shit we don't understand. Like we get computers because we make computers. So we're putting ones and zeros on the shit we don't understand. Like, we get computers because we make computers, so we're putting ones and zeros onto things because that's how we understand math. And that's how we understand the universe. So when people talk about like, the universe could be the matrix because there's ones and zeros, well,

Starting point is 00:34:36 that's our basic understanding of what is, you know what I mean? Yeah. And so I think that extrapolating that to I see ones and zeros in a laser. I'm like, I don't know if I go that far, bro. But I understand the desire to take math and use it to understand better what's going on to create super simple. This guy, the notion of an elemental building block of math is very cool. Isn't that kind of like dark matter exists as a theory that we're getting closer to proving I think but it was a theory because math couldn't like

Starting point is 00:35:09 County Count on or what what the rest of the universe is made out of in our math our mathematics literally fall apart So there must be something and so they they mathematically or matter essentially Is there a difference between dark matter and figuring out new math? We don't know We might discover there's a whole new math. We have to learn Learn that shit might be what quantum is all about right learning some new exactly like that's what is really it's all new math Yeah, but that is the DMT laser experiment Yeah, the only way to really truly know is to do it ourselves honestly. Yeah, it's a date three days from now

Starting point is 00:35:49 Maybe three days from now. We may be in a three days. Yeah. If we're in, if Los Angeles hasn't completely burnt to the ground in three days, we'll meet and do DMT together. But for now, let's move on to one mark, Inc. Okay. That's the next installment in our one mark, Inc. Yeah. I know math is almost definitely a yes on this because I think it was actually you who sent me this mystery in The first place but are you boys at least somewhat familiar with well you will in a minute Are you boys at least I'm sure you are are you at least somewhat familiar with the Admiral Wilson? Dr. Eric Davis the Wilson Davis memo. Yeah, I'm sure math This could go on and on about this. It was a broad thing.

Starting point is 00:36:26 It was leaked. People thought it was fake for a long time, was confirmed to be real by the government like a year or two ago. Yeah, I here's here's a quote that is like very succinct about it for Mathis to read right here. The document, which emerged publicly in 2019, supports purports to reveal a secret meeting with the then director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, outlining a labyrinth of secret governmentdirector of the Defense Intelligence Agency outlining a labyrinth of secret government programs hidden from top officials in congressional

Starting point is 00:36:52 oversight committees about crash UFO materials and efforts to re-engineer the technology. The claims have been hotly debated among ufologists, but never corroborated. The DIA director at the time, Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson, has reportedly denied it all. Numerous national security experts and researchers have also dismissed it as a hoax, but one of the other primary individuals cited that in the document, astrophysicist Eric Davis has not directly addressed it in public, only feeling suspicions that there might be more to it. I thought there was more development on this last year or so, but maybe that's kind of what we're going to get into right now. So,

Starting point is 00:37:26 Oh, okay. Here's the Wilson Davis memo. If you guys want to see it, that's like the PDF of it, but the part that's really interesting now to having known that in like immaculate constellation, like is a real thing. Yeah. That's like, Oh, it underlines some of this stuff. Compartment, it's the compartmentalization. It hides a lot of the stuff that's over the years has just kind of followed the same like Lore as this but you know who knows yeah, it's not just this area of government That's over compartmentalized to you like not just the UFO world

Starting point is 00:37:52 It's just a great way of carrying out something without anybody knowing about it. Basically. Yeah, so here's the media. I want uh You want to go back and forth? Well the we're gonna do the whole thing So the part that's really important for us today comes from a Reddit post that you sent me, Mathis, on RUFO from user VelkaIsYourMom, which I'll link you guys that in the show notes. This was a while back. Yeah, it focuses mainly on one specific part of the memo

Starting point is 00:38:19 at the end of a letter written to that astrophysicist, who again is called Eric Davis, from Commander Will Miller, who is retired, who is from the US Naval Reserve, where at the very end, after discussing tons of crazy shit, which we'll talk a little bit more about in a second, he makes a very specific request with Jesse we'll read for us now.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Finally, I have a request. I'm trying to locate a company in Las Vegas, Nevada, which some years ago manufactured a specialized disabling pepper spray for the military and law enforcement. The company was called One Mark Inc. That's 2300 West Sahara Avenue. Uh, straight? Sweet?

Starting point is 00:38:57 No. Sweet? Sweet. Sweet. 500. And I knew its VP, Mr. Joe Zuccaro. Any help in locating him and or the company would be appreciated. Best regards, Will Miller.

Starting point is 00:39:11 So obviously the main reason we're here today is to look into this weird ass company one mark because that's what the name of this fucking second is. I'm now remembering. But before we do before we do things like yeah, thanks to reddit's own user quantum cryogenics, we can at least start ourselves off by trying to legitimize ourselves

Starting point is 00:39:29 with a fairly solid corroboration of facts that I haven't seen anyone else mention other than in this thread. But to do that, I also need to go back and have Mathis read the beginning of this same Miller to Davis letter, which is supposedly from April of 2002, by the way, which goes like this and I'm sorry It's a chunker Mathis, but it's got a lot on the bone

Starting point is 00:39:50 So we're gonna go deep on this one. I'm gonna drop this one in the Twitter for you first I must ask you if you and or how would be interested in meeting mr. Bob Beckwith in Tallahassee, Florida the evening of May 30th Bob has been invited to meet with the head of the Florida of May 30th. Bob has been invited to meet with the head of the Florida Academy of Sciences and the director of the High Magnetic Field Laboratory for a roundtable discussion of his, Mr. Beckwith's, force model of the universe and his planned experiments in LTT, levitation, teleportation, and time travel, among other subjects. I believe that the meeting date is now firm, but that will be determined in a conference call Thursday, 25th of April. Next, let me respond to a few of your and Hal's previous questions. I would be willing to assist

Starting point is 00:40:30 you and Hal with your ongoing research into UFO crash retrievals and the entities within the government or outside of it that are involved in that business with the following caveats. First, there must be no, there must be MISB, it spells M-Y-S-T. Yeah. Yeah. Be absolutely no mention or association of my name with your work or investigation. I have absolutely nothing to gain from such an association at this time and possibly too much to lose. Second, I would charge you only for the actual time I spend in putting together materials,

Starting point is 00:40:59 references, or contact lists for you to pursue. I would expect that time to be minimal since that initial information would not take long to put together, probably less than eight hours. My standard rate for such work is 180 per straight time hour. Third, nothing I would provide you would be classified from a national security perspective. Although I have held a top secret TS clearance with access to special compartmented information SCI and other special clearances for other programs, special and other art in quotes, I currently do not work in the classified realm nor do I hold those clearances. As I discussed with you, only by means of working on a current classified government

Starting point is 00:41:39 contract and having the quote need to know and thus requesting my previous clearances be reinstated by DOD, would I again work in the classified realm? Essentially, he's saying in the end there, is like, unless you're working in classifications and anything, you've got no access to shit. Right, exactly. So, this perks some people up,

Starting point is 00:41:56 especially mention of this Bob Beckwith guy. But sure enough, according to this site archive from Beckwith Electric's website from February of 2002, William Miller, this guy that wrote this letter, really was working as a sales rep for Bob Beckwith. So here's a link to the archive site, which somebody just in the comments found. I'll toss in the show notes for you

Starting point is 00:42:17 to peruse at your leisure, but look at this stuff. That's the great thing about the internet is like, nothing truly disappears. True warriors found this. Check out what it says about their BER or Beckwith Electric Research Division. Did you link? Jesse's, Jesse's going to read that for us now. I'll give you the, I'll give the link in just a second. Okay.

Starting point is 00:42:35 Founded last year, BER is a division of Beckwith Electric Company that conducts research at the forefront of present day engineering and physics. Extension of the principles of engineering into the forefront of present-day engineering and physics. Extension of the principles of engineering into the world of science yields some surprising implications and is the basis for the newly established division. Yeah. So this stuff is officially unverified, so take it with a grain of salt, but if this is a fake, whoever did it must have been doing the homework because there's just tons and tons of actual

Starting point is 00:43:06 Concrete undiscovered ways that lots of this stuff just sinks right up and let me get you that link right now because it's kind of You might want to have it to look at if you have a chance So let me just grab that for you really quick. Hmm Because it's an archive site, it's this kind of shit that's like Makes this stuff difficult to follow unless you're really doing deep research and then when you do discover it, it makes you sound insane. Yeah, Matthew, so when you sent this to Alex, what was the implication? What was the thought process you had?

Starting point is 00:43:34 What were you like, dude, this is this? I don't even remember. It was such a long time ago. I couldn't even remember when I sent it to him. Yeah, this is about to get very specifically weird, but there's the site if you want to see it. Yep, there it is. They have this special

Starting point is 00:43:51 cutting edge research division basically. I think it was probably sending this to him because the Wilson Davis Memo was already known. Yeah. And this was coming out to prove that the Wilson Davis Memo had some weight behind it, that it wasn't like a weird made up thing. Because this was during the time where it was still just

Starting point is 00:44:10 a leaked rumor and everybody was denying it except for Davis who was saying nothing. Right, but just to corroborate this a little bit further, check this out also, kind of as a sidebar. Here is what is supposedly Bob Beckwith's report, archived from AmericanAntiG American anti gravity comm in April of 2008 Which is trying to become a hot button topic again and take gravity propulsion Tendentially just attached because like UFO world is just like, you know where I'm at

Starting point is 00:44:34 That's one of the biggest theories as to how the UFOs if they're real and not simple to move around is Gravitic like magnetic engine stuff that we have been trying to crack for a long time. We've been trying to fuck with gravity, like a magnetic rather engines type stuff for like 50 years or more. And we're starting to have some interesting breakthroughs. Yeah, we'll see. You can read over this whole thing in this website. It looks like the websites I dive into for like, this is a PDF. This is this is his actual report that was on the TTL or whatever it was, LTT, the like levitation, teleportation time travel thing.

Starting point is 00:45:11 This is that report. It's a nice chunky PDF, but here's Jesse again with just an excerpt of the review that came along with it by somebody called Tim Ventura, which is titled The Other Philadelphia Experiment. This website is so bright, like goofy bright. I want them to do a huge deep dive, maybe two episodes into Tesla one day.

Starting point is 00:45:33 Yeah, absolutely worth it. Is the classic Philadelphia Experiment tale really a cover for a more mysterious project designed by Nikola Tesla? Beckwith Electric CEO, Bob Beckwith, claims to have been a participant in the Philadelphia experiment as a GE engineer working on field coils for what he claims is a real test platform. A smaller vessel, oh I guess at the time this was the real,

Starting point is 00:45:59 okay. Yeah I think so. A smaller vessel named the USS Martha's Vineyard with naval designation IX-97. This 45-page overview, also available for $20 in hardcover, states that the Philadelphia experiment as reported by Morin Berlitz may have actually been a cover story for a project developed by Dr. Edward Teller and Nikola Tesla. This well-written book provides a great deal of historical data relevant to support Beckwith's statements. And it's worth a read just for the background on Tesla alone. Beckwith writes about far more than just Tesla though. In his story, the inventor is a key

Starting point is 00:46:40 participant in a secret experiment involving a naval minesweeper, dubbed the IX-97, which Beckwith claims himself to have worked on. Beckwith's story also contains photos, scans of historical documents, and security clearances to document Beckwith's credentials, and details on the Allied development of early naval stealth technologies. And about all those hats that were teleported into the forest. So many teleported hats. That's the thing though.

Starting point is 00:47:08 This guy is the guy who would be tapped to do this. He has the expertise. He has the research company. He is the guy that would do this. He's a very interesting guy, but he passed away just understand how the Philadelphia experiment where I'd act for a cover of something nobody already doesn't think nobody knows exists in the first place. He was saying that like there was there was a project similar to the Philadelphia experiment, but the Philadelphia experiment is like a like a fake version of it that occludes the real one basically. But he died in 2009. Here's his obituary, which I will put in the show notes. It's worth reading. But after just a

Starting point is 00:47:46 little while sharing his research online, he died. I'll share it with you. He seems to be connected to this in some way as well. But now that we've slightly legitimized the memo a little bit more, maybe with some real world facts and some figures. I'll leave it up to you if we actually did. But let's talk about this weird as company one mark now because this is some crazy shit. Starting with, do they have a website?

Starting point is 00:48:07 Yes they do, here it is, right here, it's still up. This was the thing I think was making me go crazy when I was coming across this, was like the fact that this, it was like, oh wait, this actually exists. We didn't have a talk about how all these websites that we link to literally look like they were made in GeoCities, every single one.

Starting point is 00:48:23 Same HTML1 as the Crossfire Gambit from the Sojo Anna book, though. In this case... It was a 1993 founded, like, company. Well, that's what I was gonna say, is like, this... The latest date anywhere on the site is 2011, which is a long time ago. So, for 2011 to have a website that looks like this is out of control. But like, the news page, the news page not updated since 1997.

Starting point is 00:48:43 Like, literally. Also, it's strange because they also seem to have had their business status listed as permanently revoked since 2002, which you can confirm with this link right here on opencorporates.com. And anyway, take a second look at their products page for a second. And every single one of them is super weird and seems super fake. If you into it though, most of them really do seem like they're real and That you could buy them and some of them still may be available One of them was like giving away as like a goodie bag item at like the Emmys or something one year

Starting point is 00:49:16 It's super weird. But like look at them. Look at what they like look at what they say. They're so fucking strange Like I genuinely have no idea. Here's the Pocket Pro. Pocket Pro R is our unique, 100% hands-free, directable and concealable LED. Pocket Pro directs light where you need it via an adjustable light arm all the while keeping your hands free to undertake any task. Pocket Pro is ultra light, weather resistant,

Starting point is 00:49:40 and has features that others cannot match due to its advanced design circuitry. For instance, Pocket Pro incorporates super bright LEDs and has a built-in battery saver feature. It is available with red, white, blue, or green LEDs. Pocket Pro uses two long life replaceable lithium coin cells included in the unit. It is so good it comes with the best warranty in the business. One year under normal use.

Starting point is 00:50:02 Pocket Pro clips into the pocket lapel. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. That's just they're all just like little shitty, like something that your dad would put in your stocking or something. So interestingly enough about this is it reminds me of and has the exact same quality as do you remember those? Are you an inventor?

Starting point is 00:50:20 Yes. Yeah. It has the same vibe as those people that would try to get you to submit their inventions to them and then they'd market and sell it for you. And this, because every single one of them is kind of the same but different. Like Vinny's Wild Whiffs, pet cologne. Big, catchy, key lime pie energy on Vinny's Wild Whiffs. Yeah, like, and then the Alaska Miss is, yeah,, it's Alaska Miss natural Alaskan glacier water that you

Starting point is 00:50:48 spray on yourself and we gave it out at the 63rd Emmy awards. Like what there's a there's a there's a and FAQ says, can we become a dealer or distributor and say, please call us at an 800 number. I want to call it real quick. Let's see what happens. I'll put on speakerphone just for the record. People who have called this number have reported one

Starting point is 00:51:09 ring and then busy. Okay, we'll see what happens. Uh oh immediately. It's like they just says call failed. Oh wow. Number done number dead. What's interesting is that it says other interesting sites and when you click on it, it's for the fine. Hold on. I'm going to all these finest real defense stuff. Nope. That one. The first one immediately sends that. We'll get there in a minute. Don't worry. Well, we'll cover all of those weird websites. Yeah, don't even we'll get there. So no longer works. First thing first. Yeah, that's because probably because they were there. So, first thing first, yeah, that's probably because they were, their business.

Starting point is 00:51:46 Yo! What the fuck, rabbit hole, are we going down? So this business, yeah. Dude, do not click these links, Mathis, do not click them. So which one? None of them. None of them, don't click, they will flag so hard for viruses, do not. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:59 Oh, gotcha. So, business license was permanently revoked since 2002 on this business, but their follow-up company, which seems to have existed only after 2002, hold on a second, it's listed only as a branch of the original company, but it is only seems to have existed after the company. It's called One Mark Consumer Products, Inc., where consumer products is one word in the title, but that was terminated around 2010. That also exists on that consumer website. You can click from the link I gave you to that one if you wanted to see it. But rather than the Las Vegas address that we've been seeing on the weird site, this one's address is listed in Ventura, California. I'm not going to say the exact address publicly on air, but you can easily look it up if you really want to. And first things first, the link to the documents filed regarding the termination of the company, which is listed as a

Starting point is 00:52:52 certificate of surrender by foreign corporation, and which I can no longer find anywhere. As it like it's not listed anywhere anymore. Like there's a link to it with the California Secretary of State office that's dead. And if you visit the new address for the California Secretary of State Office archive, and you put in the ID number, it says that no filing exists or no document exists. I don't know. But here's the crazy thing is the business itself,

Starting point is 00:53:21 if you visit the address now on Google Maps, as I'll show you right now, I know it's not definitive as evidence, but look what it says on the sign at the office park. What the hell? What does it say? Lockheed Martin? It does. So on Yelp, that unit where one mark is supposed to be

Starting point is 00:53:40 is listed as unit C. So it would only take me like an hour to get to Ventura and check if you want me to confirm that Lockheed is also a unit C. I would love you to. That's insane. But it makes so much so. I feel crazy. I feel crazy, Alex. Yeah. Also the Joe Zuccaro name from the memo that we read earlier. So that's the one mark business address gives you the exact suite and everything? The only thing I can't check is the suite. Okay. Without being there.

Starting point is 00:54:07 What's also really weird is that this area, there's like nothing there, dude. It's Ventura, man. That's the whole point. It's like that sort of faceless. Battelle Memorial Institute, like specifically, they're also in like just a nowhere part, like outside Columbus, Ohio.

Starting point is 00:54:23 Yeah. So also Joe Zuccaro from the memo that we read earlier, the Davis memo, Zuccaro with an A is not the same exactly, but close enough to the most recent owner of One Mark's, the name of the owners, it's Vincent Zuccaro with an E is the most recent owner of One Mark, but Joe Zuccaro is the character from the memo. So I think it's some kind of typo there. And even the parent company of the new one mark,

Starting point is 00:54:50 which is a company called Hotlines Inc, which is also out of Nevada was dissolved two years ago in December of 2022. So there is nothing left. And speaking of things that dissolved two years ago, that non lethal spray bodyguard plus on the one mark site from the best of what I can tell, based on the name of their ballpoint pen-sized Reliapen spray model, if you go to the products that One Mark sells and you read it, it says the Reliapen spray model, and then that's probably connected to this very poorly made site for a company called Reliapon,

Starting point is 00:55:24 which is in the other interesting site section on the one mark site, which is fucking weird. And on that site says the quote, we believe you will also find the following sites of interest, please visit them and see for yourself with three exclamation marks. And what's weird is that the rely upon link worked even the other day while I was checking this out for research. and now I can only access it through this archive from twenty twenty two

Starting point is 00:55:49 which I will share for you now so you can see the actual rely upon website which is not the weird mess that's there now. Yeah, do not go there now. Yeah. However, no. Yeah. Nothing on the rely upon website directly connects to anything else we've been looking at other than if you go to the about us page at rely upon. It says that rely upon was also located in Ventura, California. And when I looked it up, it was also located

Starting point is 00:56:15 at the same office park as One Mark and Lockheed Martin. So that's another thing that I found. They're all located in the same office park. And then another bizarre random connection is that there is one mention of a Joe Zuccaro as different from Vincent, except with the E instead of the A. So now we're talking about Joe Zuccaro and that there's only one connection with him and the One Mark website, also through the other interesting sites page, which is on a site called lovemainlobsters.com, which if you click it is still online.

Starting point is 00:56:47 If it's still online by the time this airs, which it was, I think, yesterday, it teases, it teases us with quote, the best of love main lobsters is coming in 2020. A fun new website is in the works. I must stress, I detected multiple viruses. So just be careful if you click that. Yeah, don't go to love main lobsters calm, but it's there. And then if you want to see Joe, head to the about us page on that site, where there's a message which Mathis is going to read for us now. And I'll just drop it here. So you'll have to visit it if you don't want to go for

Starting point is 00:57:18 the past 20 years love main lobsters calm dedicated self providing tantalizing main lobster gift packages of the highest quality. However, we now feel it's time for a change. The new site will be a little quirky and a lot of fun, so please come back and visit. And we would certainly be remiss if we did not give a big thank you to all our wonderful Maine Lobster customers over the past two decades. So from our family, pictured 20 years ago, to yours.

Starting point is 00:57:55 By the way, there is no picture. Thank you. Sincerely, Joe. Joe Zuccaro, president, lovemainelobsters.com. Joe at lovemainelobsters.com. Joe at lovemainlobsters.com. So the only mention of this guy on the actual One Mark website who's supposed to own the fucking company

Starting point is 00:58:10 is that he's the president of the about to relaunch lovemainlobsters.com, which somebody is still paying registration for. But anyway, yeah, there's also a number, which I'm not going to say on here, even though it's easy to find yourself, but if you call it, can confirm, just like several of the comments said, it rings once and goes to a busy signal. I'm not sure if that on here, even though it's easy to find yourself, but if you call it, can confirm, just like several of the comments said,

Starting point is 00:58:25 it rings once and goes to a busy signal. I'm not sure if that's the same number that you called, but mine definitely rang once and went straight to a busy signal. Also, according to a user called fuckingchuckclarke, there's a killer sushi burrito place nearby to this office address in Ventura, which to the best of my understanding

Starting point is 00:58:42 is most likely Pokeland at 1780 Victoria Avenue in Ventura. So you know, at least if I go over there and find literally fucking nothing, not even a sign that says Lockheed Martin anymore, I'll have somewhere tasty to try for lunch. And Ventura is kind of pretty sometimes. You could check out the Mission Basilica San Buenaventura while you're there. It's a nice relaxing monument to what was at best unchecked Spanish colonialism, but also a nice place to enjoy a bittersweet sushi burrito originally founded in 1782, which is much, much older than lots of other stuff around it. Hopefully, if it's still standing by the time this episode airs, Pokingland Inventura. Here's a link to it. So the implication here from from this story is that this is all part of like a cover up for UFO stuff.

Starting point is 00:59:24 story is that this is all part of like a cover up for UFO stuff. It's, it's a, it's a UFO, uh, reverse engineering and, um, advanced technology company that's mixed up in this whole thing with one mark. And that maybe the one mark with the dumb doohickeys is sort of like a cover for whatever business they're actually doing with Lockheed Martin. Sure. Sure. I guess the thing I don't understand is why you would create any products at all. Like why make a website to create products, just to be legit, just to have a paper trail.

Starting point is 00:59:49 Like why couldn't you just say I work with Lockheed Martin and we do testing. That's it because you're just some people do that. But I think that maybe just because of what the company needs to do, maybe one Mark move stuff around, for example, maybe they need to ship stuff. I mean, there seems like a lot of extra work. Probably just a shell company. There's just a lot of implications to it. That's the point. The point is that obviously there's an address

Starting point is 01:00:11 that currently says Lockheed Martin, one time said OneMark. Moving money through like contracts, shell company, they would do that to avoid raising any flags of them just giving the money directly from the government to Lockheed or Lockheed suddenly getting money out of nowhere that would flag flags of the IRS or whoever that's not directly involved in what's happening. So if you move it as a contract, I'd rather buy shell company. No one's going to love the fucking pepper spray for my troops and people.

Starting point is 01:00:42 Yeah. So the implication then is money was given to Lockheed Martin secretly by the government and then they used some of that money to create Alaska water spray to then give out at the 63rd annual Academy Awards. Wait is that what? Yeah to legitimize themselves. Yeah yeah. Like that's insane sounding.

Starting point is 01:01:04 I know but look like the evidence just connects them in a way that is super bizarre. Hey remember, in MKUltra, the government set up their own whorehouse, hired their own hookers, and like, used them and drugs. They've got some panache, these government types. Yeah, but like that had a goal, you know? Like the goal of that objective that they did.

Starting point is 01:01:23 Well, I don't know the answer to like, why these things are occurring seems crazy that they like the logical leaps of then this and this and this is connected. It all sounds shady. Shady is hell for reasons I'm not sure I understand. What do you think is like a simpler explanation? Oh, I mean, to me, it sounds like shell companies within shell companies to hide money laundering is what it sounds like to me. Yeah. But I mean, to me, it sounds like shell companies within shell companies to hide money laundering is what it sounds like to me. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:48 But I mean, I don't think it extends to UFO stuff yet, but it is the only reason it is super weird. The only reason it extends to UFO stuff is because it's being mentioned in a memo where they're writing about UFO stuff. There's nothing about the situation. That guy says I need to get in contact with that company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just very strange.

Starting point is 01:02:05 I don't know why. Yeah. And I was surprised to see that Lockheed Martin's current address in that office park, if it's still there, is connected to two separate companies that are related. Do we want to read through the memo? It's like a page and a half. No, it's not. It's pretty long. It's a big memo.

Starting point is 01:02:20 I mean, oh, well, yeah, that's true. But that's the mystery of OneMark. There's not too many answers. There's lots of specifics. It swerves into a lot of different flavors depending on where you look, but it just kind of gives me an uncanny, creepy

Starting point is 01:02:31 feeling in general. Makes me wonder feels not totally fake. That's the best I can say about it. And I bet you never heard of it. But that mystery before if there's something real going on there, I just don't know what the real is, but it's very weird.

Starting point is 01:02:43 It definitely seems like, uh, there's some bad people trying to do some bad things for sure. I just don't know what the real is, but it's very weird. Yeah, it definitely seems like there's some bad people trying to do some bad things for sure. I just don't know what. And if you've never read the Wilson Davis memo, go read it. It's worth the show notes. Yeah. Give it a look. Yeah, it'll be in the show. Next one is called Sticker Star. And this entry was kind of inspired by the episode we did recently about Nintendo 64 mysteries with Pat Contri who came on the show, friend of the pod. In that episode, we focus mainly on the concept that the Internet as a living, breathing entity can like create its own mythology where there was none before, based on a mix of like different people's opinions, an ongoing game of information telephone over the years, you know, lots of different beliefs, exchanging and you know, building up your own lore. But as we were doing it, another thing that became really interesting to me was this notion that like, aside from us the audience, having that

Starting point is 01:03:36 experience, little creative choices by like one or two people on a Japanese creative team, which is like even further removed from like the English speaking audience who's consuming the game. You know, decades ago, making a creative decision without any intent besides coolness, blossoming into like a real urban legend or something crazy like that. And just to give you an example of what I'm talking about, before I get into the little mystery we're talking about here, like take the deceased soldier that you find in the hallway on your way to fight

Starting point is 01:04:06 Kraid in Super Metroid on Super Nintendo. Obviously this game came out a long time ago, so for 21 years now, people have been walking past this guy's dead body without any answers, and just sort of whether or not they're being conscious about it or not, coming up with an idea of what they think this guy's all about in their brain. Something, they are contextualizing it in some way, right? So that's been happening for millions of people for 20 years.

Starting point is 01:04:32 And all three did that amazingly. And just in case if you want to see what I'm talking about, here's the sprite I'm talking about. And that's really all you get. But of course, to the audience, it's an unanswered question. Jesse, I think you were the one who told me about the tank, where it's like you're watching three tanks and then one of them leaves and you never tell anybody where it goes because it will be an unanswered question for years to come on the internet.

Starting point is 01:04:58 Yeah, it's what the Dead Space devs talked about in their talk they had about making games and they learned that from watching another team make a game. And that's why they included a bunch of like weird shit in their game. They just didn't ever answer it. Yeah, really interesting. And you know, players start to draw lines between things. For example, in the Super Metroid players guide, they're always talking about lost adventurers on the planet Zeebies who end up murdered by space pirates.

Starting point is 01:05:23 So that's now something that shows up on the Wikipedia page for this deceased soldier on the Metroid wiki because of course he has a page on the Metroid wiki. And then, you know, suddenly there's discourse about super specific stuff that seems almost too much, right? Like whether this humanoid creature might have sea cucumber blood to explains why he bleeds yellow. But just to show you I'm not messing around, here's Jesse with a quote to show you just how serious people take some of this shit. Another potential blood type would be iridium-based blood.

Starting point is 01:05:51 However, this would indicate that there is a lack of oxygen in the room, and therefore unlikely, although the yellow blood does appear to be more orangish tint than Samus' power suit coloration. Also, the dead individual would have to have died within days as iridium-based blood would be highly photosensitive and would degrade from orange, its oxygenated color, to green before finally reaching a deep bluish black, as the compound would take an atom of oxygen per molecule to change from its deoxygenated yellow state to a sullen orange, the reaction is not quite as quickly as say cobalt complexes. Thereby, meaning the corpse would have to possess a more convoluted

Starting point is 01:06:39 lung system than any human would be accustomed to. So I'm not sure if that's real science. I'm sure some people out there will let us know. But some people sure do love to go deep. And all that happened was some guy decided to put a dead body there. Right. It's pretty crazy. We star Star Wars is right with that kind of thing. Oh, sure. It kind of love Star Wars.

Starting point is 01:06:57 It's like they do it. And then like George Lucas himself was like, let's make a show out of that fucking guy that drives by. But then as another example of something similar, have you guys heard of the Hell Valley Sky Trees? I think we talked about them a little bit with Pat, actually. Hell Valley Sky Trees? Basically in World 5, basically World 5 of Super Mario Galaxy 2 for Nintendo Wii, or

Starting point is 01:07:19 even more specifically, the Shiverburn Galaxy level of World 5. At any point, if you use the first person camera to look at the sky box in the background of the stage, if you track the edges of the mountainous terrain, you'll eventually be able to make out the outline of some characters on the edge of the line that look just like this. I'll give you the link there.

Starting point is 01:07:40 There's three of them. There's one tall, two short ones. Yes, I've seen this before. They look like some kind of little ghost outlines. If you look at the texture in the game file, you'll see actually the texture is actually just two of them and that the second set is just positioned lower. You can just barely see the fourth head sticking up over the ridge.

Starting point is 01:07:56 If you look at it there. Yep. Though here's the isolated texture at full res. Like I said, this will all be in the show notes. You guys can follow along if you want to see this. There's the isolated texture of two of them, but nobody exactly knows what they were. Of course, only unified theory anyone can agree on about them is that they kind of remind some people of the Japanese tree spirits that are called Kodama. Although low key,

Starting point is 01:08:18 I think people are just kind of being reminded specifically of the ones from the movie Princess Mononoke and that that's why they're saying it it and they're not really talking about Kodama if you Google that shit. But the name itself, Hell Valley Sky Trees is simply called that because that's what the name is in the game files. The mountain texture is called Beyond Hell Valley Sky, all one word, and the little guys themselves are also all one word called Hell Valley Sky Tree. Right? And interestingly, a really similar figure showed up in 2021 in the trailer for WarioWare Get It Together, which appears during what seems to be one of the mini games in WarioWare Get It Together for the Switch. Here's a clip of this guy. And you can

Starting point is 01:08:59 actually if you want to see a moving clip of him, there's actually a clip from the trailer where he actually shows up. You can describe this guy. I think he looks pretty much exactly the same. I don't think it has anything to do with it, but I think he looks damn the same. Yeah, he definitely shows up in the background. He's there. Yeah. I haven't played that WarioWare game, but my brother said it was good. I love the idea of our listeners banding together to help us solve something. So let me know if anyone has the game has ever seen him. Okay. Would love to know what that thing's called in the game files if somebody's ever pulled the game files apart for that warrior game. Because maybe if that also says something about Hell Valley, we'd have some kind

Starting point is 01:09:37 of lead to go on right you know how it works. But that reminds me back to the main mystery that we're going to talk about really quick. It's a short one. First things first, it's kind of like these ones I just mentioned, but I would also say that based on its specific nature, that maybe it's a version of one of these. It's slightly more solvable. I don't know. I'm sure you'll have a theory on it by the end of this. But like for me, the coolest thing that could happen here is that we wield the power of the Chaluminati listenership as a mystery solving body in the style of like, unsolved mysteries, and solve this thing, right? And I know, because all of us here come from a background in video game content, there's a high concentration of gamers listening in to the show

Starting point is 01:10:16 right now. So the question is, do you guys as we go through this, do you guys have any insight to share on this mystery? Basically, it's just a one post thing was posted to our Super Mario. I'm sorry, our paper Mario by the user real told pills cough, who simply wrote quote, I can't stop thinking about this, and included a screenshot of a post from at Mario broth blog, aka supper Mario broth, which is a great website for obscure Mario content.

Starting point is 01:10:45 Really, genuinely, including this tweet, which Mathis will say for us right now. And I'll get that. I'll send you a picture of it. Nintendo, not Nintendo necessarily, but any as a kid, a video game mystery that you thought was real, that you spent hours and hours and hours trying to figure out if you could either do it or is there one that sticks out? Famous one, Ereth easy. Me too. The music is exactly what I was going to say. hours and hours trying to figure out if you could either do it or is there one that sticks out? The most famous one, Aerith, easy. Me too.

Starting point is 01:11:07 The music truck. That's exactly what I was going to say. Same era, pretty much. Yeah, well, I mean, it made sense because it was like, how can you get a weapon for Aerith after Aerith is gone from the game? Right. Yeah. And there's no way it's going to make any sense.

Starting point is 01:11:18 And it was just, you know, that being the case. Oh, they did it. Yeah. All right. All right. Here we go. In Paper Mario Sticker Star, a paper reading XD3RB8HH9ZR2FL16 can be found in World of Five-One. To this day, the purpose of this message remains unknown.

Starting point is 01:11:37 Despite being in the right format, it is not a valid code for any Nintendo service. If it is encrypted, the code is yet unsolved. Yeah. And also just because I didn't want to be made a fool of, I cross-referenced the Let's Play by Xcage game just to make sure it actually was in the game as they said. I linked the exact moment that he grabbed it. I'll have that for you in the show notes so you can watch it along with the boys who are going to watch it right now. If you guys want to see it, it should happen like pretty much instantly when you get there. And again, just as a reminder, when I say that something is going to be in the show notes,

Starting point is 01:12:08 that means it should be readable anywhere official in the same app where you're listening to the podcast in the podcast episode description. Can you guys see that? It's like it should happen like almost immediately. Yeah, what is that? It's you're in like, basically in context, this note is found in an area filled with piles of trash. And so you're like kind of in a junkyard. And there's like all kinds of scraps everywhere. And according to the Mario Wiki, the scrap

Starting point is 01:12:33 with the serial code on it in the trash area is just one of 45 different scraps of trash that Mario can dig up and read. And they appear randomly to Mario in no set order. So among them are tons of little funny notes that reference other moments in the game, six addresses for positions at a place called the Mushroom Business Association that says things like quote, Mushroom Business Association, General Affairs Division, Soda Branch, Section Chief, Toad. And they're all name tags for Toad, and it might just be like a bit that Toad is rising

Starting point is 01:13:02 through the ranks or whatever. There's two coupons for a 30 minute shoulder massage, there's preservation instructions for several unknown items, there's a letter from Parakarry from Paper Mario 1, there's two references to Kumbela from Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, there's a chain letter, there's five readings for the sticker horoscope, whatever the fuck that is, there's two sets of lottery numbers, and there's a bunch of generic cryptic slightly funny items and lines I'm not going to read them all but on the off chance that any of them relate to this one I'll include a link to the chart with all the slips on it in the I'll

Starting point is 01:13:35 include a link to the chart it's on the wiki page for world 5 one of paper Mario sticker star which is called Shy Guy jungle you can check it out right there there's a whole table with all these slips of paper on it. Most people also noticed that it's the correct amount of characters to be in Nintendo eShop code. And it should be mentioned that it could honestly just be a really obtuse fake eShop code joke or something like somebody already redeemed it.

Starting point is 01:14:02 Like maybe it was real, maybe it had 50 bucks on it or something and somebody just redeemed it like maybe it was a troll maybe it was real maybe have 50 bucks on it or something and somebody just redeemed it without telling anybody that's why it's in the trash yeah but according to Nintendo.com support o i and z aren't used in e-shop codes because they're too confusing and this code has a z in it so I doubt it's an e-shop code at all so that's all stuff we already know here's what we want to know though, or some possible lines of investigation, where I'm lacking the proper expertise of myself to solve it. First of all, does anyone recognize the

Starting point is 01:14:33 format of this code as anything at all? Again, that code one more time with dashes in between every four letters is xd3rb8hh9ZR2FL16. And so that's one thing. And then secondly, is that some sort of cryptography? Is there some sort of hidden message there? I've seen some people take a crack at it. I don't think anybody's made any real progress. I've plugged it into several cryptographic solve things.

Starting point is 01:15:06 I've had some brute force attempts to fix it, but I haven't been able to solve anything. I'm afraid I lack the ability to definitively answer either of these questions myself. But if you or anyone you know has any information that could lead to the revelation of this code's purpose, leave a tip on the official Chaluminati subreddit at r slash Chaluminati pod.

Starting point is 01:15:24 Boobaboo, boobaboo. Like seeing, knowing that it shows up in the trash, Leave a tip on the official Chaluminati subreddit at r slash Chaluminati pod boo boo boo boo boo, baby Like seeing knowing that it shows up in the trash I really like seeing all the other like notes you can get I do like the idea that it's like a used code that kind Of feels like a joke like any a lot of the other ones are it feels like it makes the most sense Actually now that you mention it something I would think of in context That's the only thing that I can conflict to make it mundane and pointless. That's the only thing I could think sure if I would think of it, especially now that you mentioned it. It's not something I would think of in context. That's the only thing that I can like to make it

Starting point is 01:15:48 mundane and pointless. That's the only thing I can think of, but I yeah today to make it boring like yeah, but it very well could be like also the notion of a secret code hidden in a random paper slip generator of trash is kind of

Starting point is 01:15:59 cool, right? And one interesting one more reason to love sticker star. There's a whole other thing as well. So the search through. One of them has a code, exact same format. I can't find any topics on it right now. And then someone said, Alright, where is it? Do you have a picture? And then there's no response. In what game? It says, uh, Mario and Luigi partners in time. Yeah, so that's another one. I didn't have the witch Mario 12 years ago. So yeah, interesting. I

Starting point is 01:16:40 was I didn't have the name of the proper Mario and Luigi, but that's another avenue. Like if somebody has that game, what say exactly where it is again? Uh, it's in the Shroob area in a trash pile. Same thing. Great. On Yoshi's Island. So there you go. There's a step. Try and solve this. I can't solve this code. I don't know what it is. I have no breakthrough, but that is the fact that this is supposedly another code. I want to see if we can get it that's the

Starting point is 01:17:06 mystery of sticker star up next yeah up next AI reporter here we go so this next one is probably the most recent entry on this list since it's only a month or so old and I actually found it on blue sky which did you know we're actually on blue sky and Twitter now you should probably follow us on both now. Anyway, this guy's fucking great. It's nice. I like the algorithm control that you have. But anyway, here is the skeet,

Starting point is 01:17:33 which Jesse will read for you now from Professor Archaeologist, Egyptologist and award winning writer of books, Dr. Sarah Parchek. OK. The skeet chapter one. Oh, skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet. Sorry. I thank you. Thank you. It's been in my head the minute he said it. All right. So I just went down a Lance Elliot rabbit hole. He's not real. He's AI. No one of that name exists in real life. There are Reddit threads dedicated to deep dives on him that show he is an AI. Someone needs to expose at Forbes.com for this total scam pre 2018

Starting point is 01:18:13 Lance Elliott does not exist. I know this story. I love this. So I don't know the story and I'm excited. First of all, who is Lance Elliott? Well, according to reality, he is an AI scientist and consultant. He got a BA and a master's in computer science from Long Beach State, and he got a PhD from USC. And no, he's not an AI. I watched a clip of him on 60 Minutes last year, an uncomfortable looking man, and he does not look natural in a very nice suit which he's wearing.

Starting point is 01:18:40 But he is not a fake person. He is not a computer person. You can check it out. if you have Paramount Plus, there's a link you can see the clip that he is in on 60 minutes to prove that he is a living breathing human being. But still, there is just something is a little off about this guy. And I'm just going to give you a broad strokes because like this is a very new story. And I don't want to like, bring too much

Starting point is 01:19:04 weird attention towards this guy or anything but there's just something off. Look how weird his article and book publications are on LinkedIn first of all, like maybe I just don't understand how all this works, right? But to me seems like 2018 since 2018 he's published 55 huge books, sometimes multiple times in a day. And it doesn't even list his publications going back before that. And I know he's published more books than this because I've seen them.

Starting point is 01:19:32 So if you look at this LinkedIn page, you will literally see these are all books. And you can see the page count 448 pages, March 20. Another one on March 19, 454 pages, March 19th, February 28th, just a few months before not even like a month before, 6, 592 pages, December 24th, like a month or two before that, 2023, 476 pages, April 2023, April, two books on the same day that are 400, over 400 pages. Just weird, weird stuff. You can scroll and you can look and you can see if you have a LinkedIn account. It's just bizarre.

Starting point is 01:20:08 And then while you're looking at that, look how often he publishes articles on Forbes and how weird his style is. So I'll send you one of his articles first. This one is just truly ugly in both title and prose. The title is, About that mysterious AI breakthrough known as Q ugly in both title and prose. The title is, About That Mysterious AI Breakthrough Known As Q by OpenAI That Allegedly Attains True AI

Starting point is 01:20:29 Or Is In The Path Towards Artificial General Intelligence. Yeah, AGI is the scary thing. I think that's what these people are working toward, which is like, they need not. Is AGI is general AI, it's a one that can rationalize, it's one that's supposed to be able to- It's not what we want. Thanks, it's scary.

Starting point is 01:20:44 It's scary. But check this out. This is, this just, it's one that's supposed to be able to think like us. It's not what we want. It's scary. But check this out. This is, this just, it just, the style with which he writes does not feel human. Mathis, take this away. In today's column, I am going to walk you through a prominent AI mystery that has caused quite a stir leading to an incessant buzz across much of social media and garnering outsized headlines in the mass media.

Starting point is 01:21:04 This is going to be quite a Sherlock Holmes adventure in sleuth detective exemplifying journey that I will be taking you on. This immediately just literally sounds like AI. Like it's amazing that you can just be like, yeah, that tastes like AI. Please put on your thinking cap and get yourself a soothing glass of wine. The roots of the circumstance involve the recent organizational gyrations and notable business crisis drama associated with the AI maker OpenAI, including the off and on again firing and then rehiring of the CEO Sam Altman along with a plethora of related

Starting point is 01:21:41 carry-ons. My focus will not particularly be the comings and goings of the parties involved. I instead seek to leverage those reported facts primarily as telltale clues associated with the AI mystery that some believe sits at the core of the organizational earthquake. We shall start with the vaunted goal

Starting point is 01:22:01 of arriving at the topmost AI. AI writes like I did in high school. Right? Where I discovered I could use words to create an image in your head. It's fucking, it just doesn't feel like natural word choice or sentence construction to me is what it is. Right, it is.

Starting point is 01:22:18 And then here's another quote for Jesse to read. This one is from the article that got him all the intention in the first place where people were saying he was fake. This article is from the article that got him all the intention in the first place where people were saying he was fake This this article is called holiday pro tip rely on chat GPT AI at your Thanksgiving table to ease polarizing arguments and achieve a peaceful celebration Man listen if we're gonna be fucked with a GI in our lives Yeah, can I at least see it in dwarf fortress first cuz I think that'd be kind of cool. That's true

Starting point is 01:22:46 You have such small needs and desires, but beautiful ones. Thank you. Thank you. All right. There are four key uses of generative AI to keep your family and guests on a even keel. One, notifications. Aids you in gently notifying attendees before about Thanksgiving serenity. Oof.

Starting point is 01:23:10 Two, structure. Gives you pointers on structuring the celebration around heartfelt gratitude. Big oof. Three, announcement. Can draft your pre-dinner announcement that firmly sets the tone. Four, conversations. Provides real-time conversation starters to avoid ruckus trouble.

Starting point is 01:23:29 Ruckus trouble. What's I'm saying? What the fuck word choice is that? Anyway, that even feels a bad word choice for AI. Like, why? Yeah, like I would as a teacher, the first thing I would do was either circle ruckus or circle trouble and be like, pick one. It's word sound.

Starting point is 01:23:43 Yeah, seriously. The first thing I would do was either circle ruckus or circle trouble and be like, pick one. It's word sound. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. Um, an additional means of leveraging generative AI would be for you to use the AI on a role playing basis to practice your diplomacy skills. Oh my good Lord. This is easy to do. When you get into your generative AI app, merely tell the AI to pretend to be a challenging attendee.

Starting point is 01:24:05 You would then try to placate or cope with the AI as it does all the polarizing antics that a person might pool. Think of this as your worst case scenario for what might happen during Thanksgiving. Practicing for Doomsday could aid in averting it. Just remember that you are dealing with the AI at the juncture, and thus you can stop the AI from getting heated by command alone. That's unlikely to translate into doing the same with humans. It just doesn't feel natural. And seriously, look at his contributor page on Forbes. It's nuts. He writes huge pieces on AI for Forbes,

Starting point is 01:24:47 like they're fluff pieces for Polygon. They're like, look at the up, look at the- So yeah, this picture of him is him, because I did look at that 60 minutes thing, and he's interviewing him. He looks like a man unable to cope with aging. He's just airbrushed as hell. But look at the pace of these articles. 18 18 hours ago, January 6, January 5,

Starting point is 01:25:07 January 4, January 3, January 2, January 1, he basically writes an article every single day. It's definitely being written by a article about AI every single day. And he puts out like multiple, like hundreds page long books a year about AI. But yes, as weird as they are, and as much as they smell like and taste like AI, there is not a single AI detector I can get to say that any of them used AI to be written. So I'm not going to say this.

Starting point is 01:25:37 I'm not going to say this man is AI. But damn. The man is definitely not AI. He's weird. He's weird as hell at writing. He uses AI maybe. I realize he's not AI. He's weird. He's weird as hell at writing. I think he uses AI maybe. I realize he's not here to write for beauty. I realize he's like a scientist

Starting point is 01:25:50 just trying to explain concepts in a way that the general people can understand and that can be very hard with something like AI. I'm not trying to like disparage the man if he's just a real guy trying his best. But you gotta admit that there's something strange about the tone the vibe the situation But I just want to know like is that intriguing has your mystery taken flight like does he seem like a con man?

Starting point is 01:26:12 What is going on there? And if he doesn't seem like a con man dare I suggest the romantic story We're all already imagining a little bit where he's an AI expert Who's created his own AI to write all his articles for him so that he either never has to work again or one day can reveal his triumph of AI to us all. You know what's crazy? I'm looking on here and I'm on Reddit and this guy is like, you know, obviously going down the rabbit hole a little too far, but he's talking about how Google is constantly recommending him the articles. And I just want to say, if we're going to

Starting point is 01:26:49 do conspiracy theories, I would love it if we could do a conspiracy theory where remember that dude who got fired from Google because he said Google made a living AI and that's disturbing. And it was sentient. What if this is it, dude? Just putting it out there. Fun. I'm telling you, if there's a guy who's qualified, It's this guy. He's got all the books. He's he's an AI expert What if any expert and he's an AI just saying yeah It's like still like so bad at what it's supposed to do like Google uses like forces AI on you when you do Google Searches because it has that like summary. It's still so fucking bad Can you turn it off? Can I just get an extension? Can you I would love to if you could I don't if it is is AI on you when you do Google searches because it has that like summary. It's still so fucking bad.

Starting point is 01:27:25 Can you turn it off? Can I just get an extension? Can you? I would love to if you could. If it is, I'm sure you can maybe in the back end. I don't know. The worst part about that is it will give you wrong answers because all it does isn't smart AI.

Starting point is 01:27:36 All it does is it takes from websites and then gives you the run down. It's like, by the way, I'm out of your own. The problem is a lot of the times websites just incorrect information. Yep. Yeah. Super sucky, but Lance Elliott All love but like what's going on man? Just let us know if you're just like super prolific I would just even love to hear from you Like I would love to hear what you think about people. Oh my god. Is that right?

Starting point is 01:27:57 I would love to hear what you think about the episode weren't on that fucking show Did Google AI fuck me over and give me like wrong characters for the wrong show? I didn't even think about that because it doesn't just gives me like top. I just took it at the top. Yeah, it literally just tells you what a website says. Did you get AI, bro? I got AI. Dude, who knows?

Starting point is 01:28:19 But yeah, that's AI reporter. This next one is called Walker and Rodas. In late 2023. Record of Lodoss? Record of Lodoss, record of Rodos war. Walker of Rodos war. In late 2023, I happened upon a video on the YouTube channel, Koop. Honestly, lots of his more recent videos

Starting point is 01:28:37 are pretty in line with the type of stuff I cover on here. And there's a lot of crossover between stuff that we've done. Koop, you said? Yeah, Koop. Lots of stuff that we've done, various dark corners, internet mystery episodes and things he's done. There's some crossover there. However, he's not a huge channel.

Starting point is 01:28:51 At this time of a recording, he only has like 5K subs. And this video I found of his, which I'll include in the show notes, despite his slightly disappointing telegraph politics and some slight adherence to right-wing disinformation talking points in the script. It doesn't have anything to do with the topic. You can completely sidestep it. But it's only 1000 views or so on YouTube. But here's a link to

Starting point is 01:29:15 that video, which will be in the show notes. But don't bother looking at it because I'm just gonna tell you everything that happens in it. So let's talk about how the accidental death of Paul Walker and Roger Rodas might not have been an accident at all. Ready? Here we go. Okay. Here's a quote from the forum. I'll be honest. Not where I expect to go. Right. Right. Here's a quote from the forums on the weird truth or site, Godlike productions that got this whole thing started for math history.

Starting point is 01:29:41 That's just like somebody posted this just a rando post of this. Paul Walker and his friend were killed shortly after they discovered a conspiracy to supply victims of Typhoon Hyen, Typhoon Hyen? Typhoon Hyen, I don't know why that's. Typhoon Hyen, okay. With a prototype permanent birth control drug hidden in medicinal supplies and food aid.

Starting point is 01:29:59 They had a damning recording and they were on their way to rendezvous with an ally who would have helped them get in touch with the right people. Turns out they were betrayed and someone rigged their car's brakes to malfunction after a certain speed. Now that the loose end has been tied up and the recording destroyed, the people responsible have nothing to fear as this will become another quote unquote conspiracy theory that no one will take seriously. So of course, the poster's username was mysterious sounding. All lowercase unknown one was the name of this user. But strangely, when trying to go back and search that user to see their post history, Coop couldn't find any record that the account even existed on the site other than the one

Starting point is 01:30:40 post. There was even like when he did a lookup, there was an unknown one with a capital U, but no lowercase one exists in the database. And this is the only time that username ever existed, which means somebody typed it in as a temporary username, they didn't even comment a second time on the posts for page long thread that is bond, they just did the one post and then they were out. So let's break it down, see what the vibe is. As far as the claim that they would be involved in

Starting point is 01:31:04 providing aid to the victims of Typhoon Haiyan, that's probably 100% correct. In fact, they know it is because in the wake of the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, Paul Walker actually founded a nonprofit called Reach Out Worldwide, which is such a Paul Walker name to bring aid to victims. And the org did in fact go out to the Philippines when typhoon Haiyan hit, where it hit as one of the deadliest ever typhoons ever on record in the Philippines. And that's a big deal for the Philippines because Philippines is one of the most naturally disastered places on the planet.

Starting point is 01:31:37 That happened in November 2013, by the way, which is the same month where Paul Walker passed away. And the same month where this post was made. So then in the coupe video, he turns our attention to something that was originally pointed out in the comments of that original post from an anonymous poster in Canada, who was mad at another anon from America, who was like lull to the whole story. And Jesse's gonna now bring that poster to life for us through the magic of theater. Why didn't that? The magic of theater.

Starting point is 01:32:07 There we go. Yeah? This has happened before in 1996. I wish I could beat you to a what? Wow. Wait, what? This is you to me when I'm talking about aliens. Let me take on this bad boy. Yeah, this is happening before in 1996. I wish I could beat you to a bloody pulp.

Starting point is 01:32:31 Yeah, that's the type of he was like a joke. You think this Paul Walker murder conspiracy is a joke? I wish I could kill you. Anyway, he also posted a link to a 1996 article from a newspaper called The Interim, which is an interesting newspaper from Canada, who Jesse will similarly personify by reading this excerpt from their About page just to give you the correct idea of the article's tone. Oh good, can't wait.

Starting point is 01:32:55 Oh, that's a big boy too. Goodbye voice. You don't have to do this, voice. No, I got it. No, but I have to. When The Interim began publishing, there were many then who said it would not last. In some ways, we wish it hadn't. For the primary reason the interim exists is to report and comment on the many offenses against human dignity

Starting point is 01:33:17 our society has experienced. Abortion, euthanasia, infanticide, contraception, sexual promiscuity, the decline of the traditional family and the rise of radical environmentalism and animal rights agendas that put non-human matters at the center of public concern. The debasement of human beings over the past 40 years was a great tragedy that went utterly unnoticed by some in mainstream media, while other media outlets were actually cheerleaders to such change. By and large, media have viewed those who stand for traditional values and the sanctity of human life as archaic. We are glad to be such an anachronism, a proud though lonely journalistic defender of the sacredness of human life.

Starting point is 01:34:16 We hope to be around for decades to come, for even when abortion is turned back and our country returns to the principles that respect human dignity, there will be a need to celebrate the culture of life as well as stand on guard against a recurrence of the nightmare that has claimed more than 3 million unborn Canadian babies eh? Since 1969. In the meantime, as our motto used to say, Semper Fidelis in the interim.

Starting point is 01:34:56 This man, a huge rant all because he's mad about abortion. I love when people are like, radical environmentalism and animal rights, radical giving a shit essentially. That's the about us section of this newspaper That's the about us. That's insanity. I must my favorite part about rants like this is like no one will let us talk everyone tries to sign The minute I said I said chat just got cut off. They're listening. They're listening. Dude, I just got the minute I said that I got cut off. Oh my god.

Starting point is 01:35:29 What timing, bro. Damn, dude. The interim is paying attention to this podcast. That's literally a newspaper with that vibe. So anyway, then you can imagine what they think about modern medicine. So anyway, the interim posted an article in November of 1996, called former population control official affirms Philippine vaccine scandal. So take this quote math is going to read with salt to taste. But this is what they

Starting point is 01:35:55 reported. And I don't think it's totally inaccurate, though. Editorially, I can't vouch advertised as a national vaccination effort. The program involved the lacing of anti-tetanus toxoids with a sterilizing chemical known as HCG. Thousands of Filipino women between the ages of 15 and 45 were inoculated by the tainted vaccines. Only through the efforts of the Catholic Church organizations was the tainted vaccine brought to public attention. Mr. De La Reyes has said government officials at first denied the accusations and later suggested the presence

Starting point is 01:36:31 of the sterilizing agent in the vaccine was an accident. This was a massive vaccination campaign involving at least three to four million women, Mr. De La Reyes said told the interim. Quote, many of these women had immediate side effects and we still don't know if the sterilizing effect of the injections will be temporary or permanent. Meanwhile, Human Life International, a worldwide pro-life organization, called for further investigation of the program to uncover the full extent of the scandal. Mr. De Los Reyes had first- of population control efforts, not only in the Philippines, but in several countries throughout Asia.

Starting point is 01:37:10 He detected a pattern of governments bowing to pressure from development organizations, such as the World Health Organization, to introduce contraception and population control programs. Often development aid was extended to these governments only if they agreed to the population control programs. Often development aid was extended to these governments only if they agreed to the population control measures. Yeah, so like I say, this is definitely being politicized. I don't know how much of the intent is correct, but it does seem like there was a situation where some HCG was found in vaccines in the Philippines.

Starting point is 01:37:42 I, as best as I can tell, I don't wanna to say that that's true. But this is the the evidence that this YouTube video used to back up the claims that Paul Walker and Roger Rodas were fighting the good fight in stopping the Philippines from getting sterilized. But this doesn't seem like it's bizarre. It's always vaccines will cause I know, but here, so, but here's the, yeah. If this took place years ago, you think we would have seen, if they got 4 million women, you'd think we would see some. Well, this is just like when people

Starting point is 01:38:13 said that getting the COVID vaccine would kill you, yet everyone who got it's still like, I'm still kicking baby. But big agree. Like, we're still here. I'm not dead suddenly. According to the video, this also likely happened in Kenya. And I went and found a paper published in the open access library journal in October of 2017. And here's a quote from the abstract of that paper for Jesse to read. If this legitimizes any more or less, I don't know. By November, 1993, Catholic publications appeared saying an abortion,

Starting point is 01:38:44 an abortifacient vaccine was being used as a tetanus prophylactic. In November 2014, the Catholic Church asserted that such a program was underway in Kenya. Three independent Nairobi accredited biochemistry laboratories tested samples from vials of the WHO tetanus vaccine being used in March 2014 and found HCG where none should be present. In October 2014, six additional vials were obtained by Catholic doctors and tested in six accredited laboratories. Again, HCG was found in half the samples. Subsequently, Nairobi's Agri-Q Quest Laboratory in two sets of analysis again found HCG in the same vaccine vials that tested positive earlier but found no HCG in 52 samples alleged by the WHO to

Starting point is 01:39:34 be vials of the vaccine used in Kennedy Campaign, 40 with the same identifying batch numbers as the vials that tested positive for HCG. Given that HCG was found in at least half the WHO vaccine samples known by the doctors involved in administering the vaccines to have been used in Kenya, our opinion is that Kenya Anti-Tetanus Campaign was reasonably called into question by the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association as a front for population growth reduction. Pretty crazy. I mean, yeah, I would love to know more information than just besides what people paid by the church said. There's a whole, there's a whole, how much was found because it wasn't found in all of them. So I'd like to know how much of it was found.

Starting point is 01:40:14 I understand it's a paper, but I'm saying like, I want to be clear. He's pretty one-sided. I want to be clear that I still think that in general, people should trust vaccines. Um, though there is, though there is a legitimate concern that in countries that, uh, need the vaccines and have no choice and no sway over world politics that may be some lesser than vaccines are sometimes used in those areas because who cares is the, is the thought. So one of the things that's not mentioned in this reading this again, there's not one bit of quantity listed. Right.

Starting point is 01:40:48 That's what I'm saying. They're finding like a little bit in there. It may not do anything to the human body. But also like, yeah, like that's that's that's exactly the that's exactly the point is like, I do want to point out that this is a guy who uses the word plandemic in his video. I want to point out that in both cases that we brought this up that we're talking about Catholic Church doctors Association Which is like, you know an organization that like I'd like the Catholic Church is often against

Starting point is 01:41:12 Stuff like this. I don't think they're sure I don't think they're against vaccines officially, but you know, whatever whatever now I should say also this is the exact type of thinking that people exploit to make people mistrustful of the concepts of vaccines in general. Coop himself even flirts with the idea of connecting this story with the COVID vaccine as a global sterilization attempt, which is psycho. But luckily, I think eventually he saw sense as he never like seems to have made that video that he said he was going to like blow up the COVID vaccine or whatever.

Starting point is 01:41:46 And this weird anti-science truth or vibe has not been a part of any of their other more recent successful videos that I've seen. This one only has a thousand views, the other ones are like gangbusters. I don't know if it has anything to do with that, but it could. So okay, now that the situation maybe seems slightly more possible for something that's just dead ass mentioned in a one-off anonymous truth forum post, maybe the single worst place to get reliable information that I can think of, actually. 4chan.

Starting point is 01:42:13 Yeah. Let's break down the event. At least 4chan, some people aren't freaks. Like on a truth-er forum, the point is that you're there because you know everybody knows you're wrong. And you're like trying to yell with people who agree with you. So, I think it's even worse on a true good form. Really quickly, really quickly. For the listeners out there who know more medical stuff, I did a quick Google search and I would love to know where we have some crossed wires here or maybe this again, this dude who's posting **** is just lying but either way, I'm on the internet right now looking at how they tell if you are pregnant. And they're literally saying that in the first four weeks of pregnancy, HCG levels double every two to three days. So the more you have in you, the more likely you are to have a child and the less likely

Starting point is 01:43:00 the more for miscarriage. And the only, I guess I don't understand. I don't know anything about how that works. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like if you're injecting people with HCG, they would more likely be ready to have a baby. Yeah. The whole point is that I, the whole point is that I want to lay this out as an argument as was presented so that if I'm, if it's wrong, that like somebody can come explain it and then I can actually if it's wrong, that somebody can come explain it and then I can actually tear it apart appropriately because I did my darnedest to delegitimize this. And this is the best that I could come up with

Starting point is 01:43:36 was just that it said this in these articles, which should be peer reviewed, right? Yeah, here's the last thing I can find. It says the HCG is not a component of any birth control methods. Pregnancy tests detect it, like Jesse said. They said a vaccine that targets H.C.G. has been developed as a potential method of birth control. The vaccine is made up.

Starting point is 01:43:56 You're supposed to want to have it, according to the what I'm reading from doctors. Yeah. The vaccine is made up of H.S.D. linked to a tetanus toxoid, which is what we're talking about, or the diphtheria toxoid DT. The vaccine has been shown to be reversible and has not caused any notable side effects. So there's those words right there. And it's involved in a vaccine that targets HCG. It doesn't inject HCG. Yeah, HCG is almost by the placenta during pregnancy. Straight up, he like. Well, he's not lying.

Starting point is 01:44:31 He's reporting exactly like these. As to what it does, he's lying. What I'm saying is he's not the one lying. He's reporting back what he found articles say, right? He's Catholic church. Yeah, the problem is, and this is why I wanted to bring this up and explain what the interim was is that like the shape of this mystery seems to be

Starting point is 01:44:50 a anti-vaccine COVID mystery that co-ops the story of Paul Walker's murder. Death to do to push their agenda. But yeah, let's crazy. But crazy to like go in a whole other rabbit hole there. Yeah, this is the same vibe as people trying to stop like IVF not But yeah, let's uh, but crazy to go in a whole other rabbit hole there Yeah

Starting point is 01:45:05 This is the same vibe as people trying to stop like IVF not understanding what IVF is right or terrorists killing babies I'm like, is that what you think it is tariffs? But uh, yeah, that's the thing is uh, you should be forced to take an economy 101 That's it now that I've nestled this in in reality, even though maybe the facts aren't exactly clear, let's imagine that there's a conspiracy that Paul Walker and Roger Rodas are about to blow off its hinges with a recording as they're leaving. And I'm going to give you guys a events of the day of the crash and see if we can find anything compelling. Okay. So according to the official accounts, it's about 330 PM November 30th, 2013, Roadus was

Starting point is 01:45:45 driving Walker back from a Typhoon Haiyan related reach out worldwide charity event, such a Paul Walker name, at a car shop that they owned nearby called Always Evolving, another very Paul Walker name, and when they came to a fairly quiet stretch of road that's popular for drifting, in an office park on Hercules Street in Valencia, which is actually not too far from here, right by Six Flags Magic Mountain between two of the absolutely horrible fires that are currently burning,

Starting point is 01:46:13 completely uncontrolled here in the Los Angeles area, where the only crazy machine that controls the weather here is actual real global warming, so welcome to it. But anyway, they were going 85 in a 45, which for our metric listeners is like going 140 in a 72. When road us lost control of the car, which quickly crashed into a lamppost and two trees. Both men were knocked out in the impact died fairly quickly and were quickly burned beyond recognition. No drugs or

Starting point is 01:46:43 alcohol were found either of their systems. They were wearing their their seat belts. There was no sign of mechanical failure or damage within the car or pre-existing bad road conditions. There was a video of it from surveillance cameras on some of the office parks, so we know it wasn't some kind of drag race. And again, according to the official story, the high speed of the car and the fairly old tires, which probably were ready to be replaced were the main reason the car crashed. And old tires, which probably were ready to be replaced were the main reason the car crashed. And it was like a Porsche. It was like a Porsche.

Starting point is 01:47:08 I forget exactly what kind of Porsche it was. Maybe we said it or maybe we didn't, but it's like a 2005 Porsche. So it was like only a few years old at the time because it was 2013. And it was just maybe about time to change out the tires. But, you know. Let me just tell you, let let's get Toyota Corolla. Yeah, you're gonna go racing one of those 100% reliable. I have a

Starting point is 01:47:31 Scion basically Toyota Corolla. Yeah, same thing. But the video raises a good point, which I cooperated with a with a quote from an article about the crash in the epic times, which Mathis will read for us now. Why isn't it working? There we go. Oh, why isn't it? Sometimes it doesn't copy paste, but there we go. There we go.

Starting point is 01:47:55 There were skid marks in the area of the crash. So many that authorities thought at one point that roadists may have been drag racing with another car, but there weren't skid marks in the part of the road right before the crash. Why not? Sources at Always Evolving, the auto shop co-owned by Walker and Rodis, told TMZ that they saw evidence

Starting point is 01:48:17 of a steering fluid leak, including a burst in subsequent trail. The lack of skid marks before the point of impact, a tree appeared to align with the steering fluid leak, the sources said, but officials later said that there was no evidence of a fluid leak, leaving the lack of a skid mark a question mark. Yeah, and furthermore, why wouldn't a near pro level

Starting point is 01:48:39 racing driver like Roadus hit the brakes anyway? Like genuinely, if some good driver wants to peep the area over there in Valencia and tell me a good reason, I'll unsolved mystery style update it. If you can tell I've been flirting with the idea of doing an update episode for a while now. Yeah. Or, you know, we can call it sticker starring it.

Starting point is 01:48:57 If we solve the sticker star mystery, whatever you want to call it. But he wouldn't be a worried, like, like, like, okay, like you're, imagine you're Roger Rodis, right? You're like, uh, like, I think you're a financial advisor. You're Paul Walker's best friend. You know that he's shooting fast seven right now. Are you really going to like take his life in your hands and like be crazy on the steering wheel? Right. Valencia. You would think not. Yeah. The movie hadn't even wrapped,

Starting point is 01:49:28 right? And that, or B, are you not going to try and stop the car when you realize you're out of control? Like, are you not going to just hit the brakes? Right. So what could have happened if the car wasn't broken according to the police inspections, there was no mechanical failure and you've got a quote, gentlemen racer at the wheel that would result in no skid marks. So according to Coop, it's time to crack open WikiLeaks, or more specifically Vault 7 of WikiLeaks.

Starting point is 01:49:56 And just in case you don't know what that is, here's Jesse with an excerpt from that old flame who's been looking better and better again these days, Wikipedia, something good which no rich asshole should be able to buy. Here you go, here's a little quote. Vault 7 is a series of documents that WikiLeaks began to publish on 7 March 2017, detailing the activities and capabilities of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, CIA, to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare. The files dating from 2013 to 2016 include details on the agency's software capabilities, such as the ability to compromise cars, smart TVs, web browsers, including Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Mozilla Firefox, and Opera, the operating systems of most smartphones, including Apple's iOS

Starting point is 01:50:44 and Google's Android and computer operating systems, including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS and Linux. A CIA internal audit identified 91 malware, malware tools out of more than 500 tools and use in 2016 being compromised by the release. The tools were developed by the operations support branch of the CIA. The vault seven release led the CIA to branch of the CIA. The Vault 7 release led the CIA to redefine WikiLeaks as a non-state hostile intelligence service. In July 2022, former CIA software engineer Joshua Schulte was convicted for leaking the documents to

Starting point is 01:51:19 WikiLeaks and in February 2024 sentenced to 40 years imprisonment on espionage counts and separately to 80 months for child pornography counts. Well, there's a whole other thing. That's us. That's the thing that tag at the end there. Fucking wild. Like it's like, but it's also weird. It's like, did they hit him with those? Like did he go down? Like they put him in for 40 years. Why 80 more months? Uh, I don't know why he's got the CP. That's like that's no good. Specifically to explain the OP's claim that quote quote that Alex

Starting point is 01:51:50 I don't know CP. Yes, no, I'm not into that stuff and I don't think you should be either. What do you say about that? I know it's yeah, that's a pretty I know it's brave, but I would love to direct all of you to an article that I think would be super interesting. Okay. To

Starting point is 01:52:05 read. Um it's the drive.com and this is written May 3rd, 2019 by Matt Farah and it's called the truth behind what caused Paul Walker's fader crash. This is from an automobile website that is like an auto magazine. Okay. And literally he's like,

Starting point is 01:52:21 hey, here's the deal. I went through it. I drove the same places. I did the same things. I looked at all the information. Here's what did it. Uh even though the tires they had only had 5000 miles on them, the tires themselves were over five years old and tires wear out and they're the only thing keeping you connected to the road. So an old out old dried out tire will you will die crumble. Yeah. And he's like going 85 on a turn. He's like I've done that turn a bunch of times. You should be able to do that. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to do that unless you have shitty tires, which is what the skin marks indicate. Again, this is just this one guy's interpretation, but I tend to believe

Starting point is 01:52:56 he's probably correct. Yeah. I mean, that's exactly what the official story is, right? But specifically to explain the OP's claim that, quote, they were betrayed and someone rigged their car's brakes to malfunction at a certain speed, here's an excerpt from WikiLeaks own analysis of the documents for Mathis to read. As of October 2014, the CIA was also looking at infecting the vehicle control systems

Starting point is 01:53:21 used by modern cars and trucks. The purpose of such control is not specified, but it would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations. Yeah. So, yeah, in some ways it almost feels like I just saw a UFO in that, of course, there's no evidence or sign of foul play if it's true,

Starting point is 01:53:38 and everybody around me is like a fucking, like right-wing, like anti-s science asshole nut job who hates vaccines and loves QAnon. But broken clock, you know, is like, you know, it happens, but it just, you know, yeah, in another way, in another way, every detail is so much more plausible than a UFO abduction in some vectors based on things we already know about in the world that even if we're only looking at it this way, because some weirdo on a weird website online, isn't it crazy how believable it sounds? It's weird. I think it's only believable in the fact that trust for government is so

Starting point is 01:54:12 low. That's real. That's real. Right or left or whoever you whoever's in power, you just don't trust them. Like for example, right now, not too thrilled about Trump. However, if I was a Republican, I would not be too thrilled about, you know, anyone else. I would say I'm not too thrilled about Biden either in like a normal way, you know, but I just elected an old man that has fucking like cancer to be running the head of a committee. Yeah, that's the left and dumbasses too. I mean, it's been that way since the 70s and we just done nothing. And now we'll never be able to know if Paul Walker was murdered because yeah, that's exactly correct. People just cover it up with their politics.

Starting point is 01:54:49 But yeah, that was Walker and Rhodes. And to close us out today, we got one more. It's South 32. Here we go. Do you guys know the number 23, that movie with Jim Carrey where no matter what he does, he keeps running into 23s everywhere? That's kind of like what this last one for today is like, except instead of the number three, it's the phrase South 32, which to most people is just the name of an innocuous, but

Starting point is 01:55:11 very wealthy and therefore baseline slightly evil Australian mining company spun off from the even bigger and more evil mining company BHP. But to a certain type of weed smoking internet bridge troll, which are not the same as normal internet trolls, thank you very much. Not at all. It is also the name of one of the craziest trailheads out there on the internet today. And the wildest thing by far is that everybody's method

Starting point is 01:55:33 of stumbling onto this shit is totally random. So like take first this example of the six year old post on starmen.net, which describes OP, someone called Agent 004, randomly doing stupid internet bullshit with a friend and searching random phrases as URLs until they get to the phrase Iwanttodie.com and it took them to an extremely bizarre site, which looked different than it does now, but still played a big long annoying audio file using a lot of the same phrases as back then. Now if you want to go to Iwanttodie.com, go for it. But again, be careful. These are internet mysteries. It's not the good stuff.

Starting point is 01:56:10 Like, don't go any deeper than the first page. If you go anywhere, it's immediately abrasive and upsetting if you go to Iwanttodie.com. If you want to put a clip of the audio, Dean, just for a second, just everybody can hear. But it's pretty funny. Like I mean, I'll just click on this once. I'll just click on it. Australian men and women have you been raped by BHP mining, Rio Tinto mining or South 32 mining? There's just there's just a lot going on. And it's like poor South 32. And it's pictures of getting out there to these pictures of women getting railed. There's like it's like pornographic, it's fucking weird. And if you want, okay, so yeah, like I say,

Starting point is 01:56:49 don't go to any of the links. I'm not gonna put that many links in the show notes for this one, just because of the nature of it. And you'll see why soon. Everything seemed to be leading to South 32, the phrase in this website that he found. So they tried that as a URL as well well south32.com. And what they found was a living breathing version of the same exact stuff as before. It didn't used to be as rape

Starting point is 01:57:12 heavy as it is now in terms of the messaging. But that's exactly what I mean by living and breathing. Like if you go back and look at the archive version of the site over the years, it goes through tons of versions of dynamic text updates, image changes, sometimes even in real time, day to day changing, but always, always, always some variation on the same basic unhinged theme of South 32, Australia, BHP, all that kind of stuff, with the goal, I believe, of simply being very upsetting to your sensibilities and unpleasant to experience,

Starting point is 01:57:46 or at least that's what it seems to be on the surface. Or if you want to come to it from another angle elsewhere, like a horror movie sequel, also six years ago, a small mystery YouTuber who runs a show called Elders Vault, and who is personified by a giant turtle and a top hat and monocle, which is hilarious because I think it has to do with how their voice sounds, discovered it while messing around with Google's translate function, which I don't know if you've seen this,

Starting point is 01:58:10 but if you choose some of the more obscure languages on Google Translate and type like absolute gibberish in the like obscure language side and translate it to English, it will like give you hyperlinks and weird phrases and snippets of English. It's really bizarre. But Elder's Vault was messing around with Mongolian and letting it spit out whatever

Starting point is 01:58:31 it wanted in English, when suddenly it literally led him to a random website called sentana.com or sentana.com or something like that. I don't know. I think it's sentana.com, but don't go there. It also looked different than it does now. Still, nevertheless, also covered in all kinds of crazy South 32 propaganda. And at the time still had a message up asking for investors of some kind on a film project, featuring a two hour long video of strange people saying bad things about some companies

Starting point is 01:58:58 and good things about a movie and about a person. After the Eldervault video, many of the websites changed to include the title of his video. YouTube channels were formed in an effort to sync his videos SEO that are named South 32, and titled things similar to his video. They even posted an offer on some of their sites for a $1,000 or $100,000 reward to locate him identifying not only his name elder, but also calling him a mob style enforcer with an Australian accent. Or like a bad threequel to a horror movie five years later, just one year ago, another newer smaller mystery YouTuber who you should check out who was called

Starting point is 01:59:38 swanene, heard about it when a friend of the pod, YouTuber Nexpo, cryptically tweeted in March of 2020 that another mystery in one of his videos was South32like. And Swenene simply Googled the term to see what it meant. Swenene's video, by the way, like none of these internet mystery guys really do the most in-depth research, let's be honest, like they're not like going deep in the way that you can with research, not for lack of trying, I'm not trying to say they're lazy or something like that, it's just that like, they're not, like going deep in the way that you can with research, not for lack of trying. I'm not trying to say

Starting point is 02:00:06 they're lazy or something like that. It's just that like, there's not a lot of like, academic style research going on with some of these things. And there's some reading comprehension, reading comprehension issues where like, like I say, I will be like reading this shit, and I will go and I will read the same exact sources as them. And people will be like, Wow, you're so in depth. And I'm go and I will read the same exact sources as them and people will be like, wow, you're so in depth. And I'm like, I just read the real fact that they

Starting point is 02:00:28 missed. They just missed. Like, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. But Swinene is pretty good. And it's the most research based of all the videos about something as weird as this. And he's got a nice big big paste bin of everything that he used, which is really cool. It's a great resource if you're trying to look into this yourself. But again, try not to click on too many websites or use a burner computer or something that you can like wipe. Yeah. But yeah, it's cool because the video that

Starting point is 02:00:56 he made was pretty short, but he did include all these links anyway, which I thought was neat. So what is it? What is South 32? Well, other than the giant mining company, the next things that pop up for South 32 is a bizarre low budget movie from 2016 about a girl who was bullied her whole life and then the murders that came from that. And if you want, there's a whole thing on IMDB.com, the full disclosure, there's boobies and blood in there, so be warned, but I'm gonna put it in the show notes. Boobies and blood. Because you can do it. But more important than the entire movie is just the movie's IMDB page itself. And for example, just check out the video that they have uploaded on IMDB as the trailer for their movie. Make sure you unmute it. Oh my god, so loud immediately.

Starting point is 02:01:39 Just give our viewers a summary of what you're seeing. Imagine the most blurry, insane looking, it says mafia, mafia, and then a bunch of what you're seeing. Imagine the most blurry, insane looking, it says mafia, mafia, and then a bunch of, I don't know what the hell. I think it's someone filming the screen is what it is. I do not understand what this is. Yeah, it's playing like all kinds of audio clips, it's like kind of laying it, like have you ever read,

Starting point is 02:01:59 have you ever, you know the Toynbee tiles that we did a while back? No, yeah, yeah, yeah. How the cadence of the typing and talking was kind of nonsensical, but kind of centered around topics and keywords. That's kind of the vibe of this. I don't understand, so this isn't the trailer though?

Starting point is 02:02:15 No, this is the trailer. It's not related to the movie, but it is there because the movie placed it there. So the main one. So yeah, so the main complaint that is being made in these videos and these strange videos is that the Australian company, South 32 is bullying someone claiming to be the owner of the original South 32 website south 32.com. And one of the claims is that

Starting point is 02:02:41 they use a who is lookup, you can see it in the video, for a domain name. And so we did a who is lookup through the domain name, and it leads us to the first time in this mystery to the name Luigi Beyond, who is listed as the site's owner, and which of course not only shows up in the IMDB credits for the movie South 32 as the executive producer, producer, and supervising producer, but Luigi Beyond also has a story by credit in this in this movie. So yeah, digging deeper into Luigi

Starting point is 02:03:12 Beyond and his alter ego carry beyond, which I honestly think after reading it so many times is actually of reference to pirates as in of the Caribbean, because it's the name of his straw, it's the name of his film studio. And he's Luigi Beyond, and it's the Carrie Beyond film studio. And you'll see why I think he's doing pirate stuff in a minute.

Starting point is 02:03:34 It starts to make sense how many threads all lead to the same place when you see this, because Luigi and Kari and a business he's listed as the owner of, which is a confusingly two word named thing called Los Angeles News. These three entities, four entities, own 74,000 to 80,000 different strange URLs, just like Iwanttodie.com or Santana.com or LaTime.com,

Starting point is 02:04:04 like not LA Times, but like LaTime.com or Santana.com or la time.com like not la times but like la time.com or milk baby.com or Hollywood.com but like wood is in like some girl named Hollywood and it's like a porn site. Like so many of them are porn sites like sex horse all these crazy ones. And now and but there's but there's thousands and thousands, tens of 1000s of them. And now we're there's thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of them. And now looking at the situation, he appears to be some kind of nut

Starting point is 02:04:29 who buys up URLs close to the names of large brands for cheap and then illegally sells them back to the brands at heavily inflated prices. Like latime.com, latime starts to get bothered by whatever bullshit he puts on latime.com, some kind of porn or whatever shit that it links to, so they buy the domain name from him so that it stops. It's that type of thing. That's the racket, right? And from that, we can infer not only that Mr. Beyond is upset with South32, the Australian

Starting point is 02:04:55 mining company, for going with South32.net as their official website, instead of paying him the $10 million that he asked for for South32.com as he likely expected they might and indeed just to prove that that actually happened. Jesse will read for us now an article from smart company.com slash AU that proves it. So here you go

Starting point is 02:05:18 get ready. It's crazy about looking up South32 is yeah the mining site is the first thing 100 and that's not how it was. This is a mystery from 6 years ago. So sure, sure. It is something mining giant BHP Billiton is discovering this week after an emerged the direct domain name for its spin-off company, South32 is already taken. BHP Billiton spent a long time deciding on a name for the spin-off so long that the name of the business became

Starting point is 02:05:45 commonly known as Crap Co. Finally, BHP Billiton announced on Monday the company it intends to create through its proposed demerger will be called South32, but the main South32.com is owned by a US company, Carey Behan Film Company, and currently features a video loop of a woman's tongue. According to Fairfax, the California company has attempted to sell the domain to BHP for the sum of $10 million. A spokesperson for BHP told Smart Company this morning that BHP had looked at South32.com as part of its due diligence, but decided it was not prepared to pay the price demanded

Starting point is 02:06:23 by the owner. Yeah, so they were like, we're just being fucking held hostage here, fuck you, we're gonna go with.net, eat a dick. That's basically what they said. But strangely, when I looked further into claims of cyber-squatting as sitting on a domain like this is sometimes called, I learned a couple of things. Firstly, Beyond actually did own the domain South32 for six years prior to the Australian company existing, which to their credit, they did cite as supporting evidence

Starting point is 02:06:49 when they denied the claims of cyber squatting. But I also found links to other random URLs that they owned like 31South.com and Post47.com. And suddenly a little scenario comes into my head, which is this. Maybe they were these weird domain pirate barons that they just grabbed a bunch of sites at random in a similar style, and just waited just in case somebody made a website that was called

Starting point is 02:07:13 something like this. And they just randomly ended up as the owners of a website called South 32.com. But when an Australian company randomly decides to name their company that in order to dodge previous scrutiny that they've received in the past for similar behavior of cyber squatting. Maybe they made an entire production company and wrote, cast, shot and edited a movie named the same thing instead of making a fake website just to prove that it wasn't domain squatting because South32 is such a big scary company that they don't want to get sued by them. Since at the time when people look up LuigiBeyond,

Starting point is 02:07:47 he looks squeaky clean, he's a movie producer, it's all good, and so, you know, the idea is they say, hey, listen, we're not trying to be illegal cyber squatters here, we really have a production company called South32 to make our movie, we've been doing it for years, what's wrong with you, get off our back, I'm just a movie producer.

Starting point is 02:08:03 But then, somebody realized that Luigi Beyond's actual name is not Luigi Beyond but is actually Said Yamtobian and here's a quote from an entire Wired article from 2003 about Said Montobian from Mathis to Rome so this just gets wilder and wilder. The Zooper toolbar that is plaguing so many internet users is the work of the father and son team, Said and Daniel Yomtobian. Yomtobian, is he saying?

Starting point is 02:08:36 Yomtobian. The Yomtobians are well-known spammers who have been accused of hijacking other people's mail servers to pump out solicitations for porn sites. The payer is also skilled in setting up stealth websites and has spent much time in court for deliberately constructing URLs in a way that encourages people to arrive at one of their websites accidentally.

Starting point is 02:08:57 Users typically stumble on this scam when they enter a URL that's slightly incorrect and are whisked off to a gambling or sexually explicit site rather than the well-known domain they had intended to visit. Court records indicate the New York Times and Los Angeles Times have both had their URLs co-opted by the Yomtobians. That's a very early 2000s scam. I don't know if you remember the Zupyter toolbar, but that shit was actually evil. I think Wired actually called it the most evil thing on the internet.

Starting point is 02:09:27 It's pretty funny. But yeah, if you notice, they also name checked Said's son, Daniel Yomtobian in that article. And you can also go back and peep the IMDB credits again and see that same guy, Daniel Yomtobian, no fake name, also listed as an executive producer on the South 32 movie. Um, and now here's Jesse with a huge, with an excerpt from a huge. Buzzfeed news article from 2020 that is all about Daniel Yom

Starting point is 02:09:56 Tobin and actually has like its own assets that were made. How big of a report it is. It's like a fucking expose on the man. Advertise.com, which Yom Tobin founded in 2001 as abcsearch.com, bills itself as the world's largest privately held keyword pay per click PBC network and reportedly had $35 million in revenue in 2012, the only time Yom Tobin appears to have publicly disclosed

Starting point is 02:10:23 financial information. Advertise.com says it can deliver millions of visitors and clicks thanks to traffic that can't be acquired anywhere else. It claims to have served more than 10,000 clients since 2001. It's one of many such businesses that trade in web traffic, a significant and shady sector of the online advertising and publishing industry. The publisher might buy traffic to hit goals it promises to an advertiser, or to increase ad views and therefore revenue.

Starting point is 02:10:51 YomToBiAn at times generates traffic in ways that force people, or their browsers at least, to visit websites they had no intention of viewing, while disguising the origin of these visitors to trick analytics software and fraud detection services. In one example of the Ontobion Chrome extension behavior documented by DoubleVerify, a user clicked a link on a website in their browser, but instead of loading the correct page, a new browser tab automatically opened and loaded L.com. This registered as a visit to the L.com website for which the site's owners would earn money from ads on the page. So you know those you know those pop under ads that open on like every porn site that

Starting point is 02:11:33 you've ever been on that like you click and it opens like a thing. Sure. That's Daniel Yomtobian. He did that. That's him. Pretty crazy. So yeah, that's that's all that's his thing and the alleged ad fraud schemes and Accusations of cyber squatting continue unabated to this day, but even as the basic answer takes shape

Starting point is 02:11:54 That guy is trying to make an unpleasant noise So loud that South 32 finally decides it's worth it to pay him to go away I think it's like the vibe right but the question remains like remains, like, who is doing this? And to what end? And how exactly are they doing it? How deep does it go? It feels like it goes on forever. And nothing really feels fully just like somebody's scheme to get money from South 32. Because if that's all they cared about was money, they obviously wouldn't work this hard to do it. They would just put like a fuck, they put like a fucking ass on the screen or some shit like that. And this is like trying to disseminate weird information.

Starting point is 02:12:28 Like this is Luigi Beyond's YouTube channel. Like the man's digital footprint is not small. There are so many places to go like investigating. This last, like his last video was from like a year ago. And it's him like putting out a public announcement that a dirty bathroom needs to get shut down. Like it's wild stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And going back to the elder vaults video as he dug deeper and looked closer

Starting point is 02:12:55 There were things that look like coordinates on there that there's some sites that would download Files to your hard drive without asking and when you unzip them would link you to even more websites There's passwords this is websites with just password prompts So much work and the man fucking records in vertical. That's what I'm saying. There were purposely SEO bombed sites with hidden information just on specific sites that you'd have to like know to look for with links. There was tiny messages in low resolutions hidden in some of the videos I just linked to you on the web page. Here's Mathis with a quote from Eld vault the video to close us out with so much South 32 nonsense already being in the search engine with the mining company in the movie maybe some one or some organization decided to put their underground information through these sites under the guise of South 32 with so many different access points it would be almost impossible to notice a pattern essentially what I'm saying is they're using Luigi Beyond and and South32 as some sort of cover up for the spread of their information and aren't who

Starting point is 02:13:49 the websites say they are, registering under fake names like LuigiBeyond and CarrieBeyond. This means, this does make sense, but they would have to have had to work incredibly hard to put up the facade that they were Luigi, Saeed, or Carrie Beyond. Well, the whole thing doesn't sit right with me. It's just part of the like, most of the time scams seem like so much more work than just like doing a job. It's so unhinged. It seems it's like if you, I mean I know we didn't really look at a lot of the web pages and stuff involved with this, but if you go to the YouTube channel you can kind of get a sense of like what they look like, all these weird.

Starting point is 02:14:27 It's purely unhinged. Watching, I'm looking, watching the videos right now, it's madness. Yeah, it looks like ransom notes. Like if you go to the website, it's like immediately abrasive. Like, and like south32.com is pretty safe website. If you want to just go to the main one, it's like the main web and it's got, even it has like all these crazy videos everywhere. South there is a big it says email on like a little sign on both sides a big

Starting point is 02:14:51 red gradient. It says South 32 CEO fired all employees dead production. It's like I don't know. There's just it's so much. It's so much and I just don't understand. I am absolutely convinced what's going to happen is is people are gonna go to his YouTube respond and say that we talked about it and then he's gonna make videos about us. I'm convinced of this. I've never been more convinced of anything in my life. This guy is a full on scammer and I'm looking at it right now and I'm like ah expect Chiluminati spelled differently to be a website that he's gonna be like if you want it there's things on there We don't have a website so like you know, but he's gonna be looking for us at any comm we got no way I'm telling you right now. I've never seen anything quite like this. This is Great. Yeah, it's hardcore

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Starting point is 02:16:09 Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night, enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom, so I stepped back inside and after a few moments I hear my wife go, Holy shit, get out of here. So I quickly dash back outside. She's looking up at the sky in awe. I look up too, and there's a perfect line of dozen lights traveling across the sky. So Thanks for watching! you

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