Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini - Invisibility Shields Are Expensive

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Minisodes 175 and 176 Bending light with plastic.  MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty

Mmm hello everybody and welcome to another mini-soup here on the Patreon or free two years later whenever it comes out. Yeah I have to apologize today for people who are going to listen long in the future. Mine is very topical to about the next how many days the next 51 days after that I got nothing for you I cannot all right what why don't we what what what Alex I just said what what why don't you take us away Jesse why don't you date us immediately okay I can do that so we have on this show multiple times both on this part of the show and the real show talked about invisibility shields. How those would work. Well, gentlemen and folks at home, I'm going to send you a link.

It is now not just something that exists theoretically or in the movies or in science labs you can in fact purchase one for your very own use at home this is straight out of Mission Impossible on Kickstarter they have invisibility shield 2.0 which is a lightweight portable next-level cloaking shield Six feet is what the shield is. 300 300 pounds. You can move it with you wherever you go, if you can carry that much weight. No, no, that's how much it costs. 300 pounds for the full size one.

That's not. Oh, it is. It's expensive. I mean, not two different takes on that. Do you get a mini shield like a little tiny mini one for 68 bucks? Sixty nine dollars. The early bird is three hundred seventy seven dollars. And the full size mega shield is about four hundred fourteen dollars. And the early bird for the super duper ultra

seventy two by forty eight shield is eight hundred eighty dollars. It's cool. I'm more worried about the type of person who's eager to buy one right now. Well, if you're wondering what type of person their pledge goal was, $12,500. Their actual pledges are $117,000 right now. If that's where we're at right now, imagine if UAPs are real and the kind of light bending technology they might be using. This is 51 days to go. They're already at 117,000 and I assume most people are unaware this exists.

I'm letting you know right now. This is going to lead shenanigans over the next level. If unlike most things on Kickstarter, it actually becomes real. The footage looks good. People already own the Gen one shields. It looks great. I don't know what the fuck, how it's possible, but it really is doing exactly what it seems to be doing. Yeah, all the video footage, all the pictures, basically, they put the shield down and some magic way you can see through it. It's light refraction. There's there's angles of the shield where you can see it's it's actually instead of a what you would imagine as a sheet

It's actually a curved shield There are supports to the back of it and it is refracting the light and it makes it look like you can see through it now Here's the thing doesn't muddy the the image through. Yes Just like we talked about or we got great videos and feedback about when talking about this. If you look at it from different angles, it does become muddy. But if you look at it straight on, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Also, it's not like. It's not like the same tech like technology that we're talking about.

This is like just plastic that's like in a certain shape. Yeah. Well, yeah, but it's like built specifically. Yeah, but this this tech has been around for years now, but not really like consumable, like friendly yet. This is the first time I've seen prices where that, you know, it's actually affordable for people to buy. Yeah, this is consumer based tech right now. This is like military grade.

This is you can it's it's plastic. I mean, it's plastic. It's it's made in the UK. It's like it's wild. This is a very interesting thing that exists. That isn't you know, some things some dude posted on Reddit was like, well, what I made. This is a sellable product that they are offering on Kickstarter. Yeah, that's crazy. It's where we are. It's also funny in FAQ. It says that if you it's like the shield works both ways. So if you're on the other side of the shield, you can't see through it either. It's kind of funny. That makes it way less useful. You can't really know. I mean, if you're trying to hide something and like if you put something there and you walk away from a distance, it's going to be real hard for people to see. Like, if you're just there to hide something. if I was a city of Los Angeles I will put

these in front of those fucking like power things that are on the sidewalk instead of like trying to paint them to look like what's behind them you know what I mean like I know exactly what you mean yeah oh yeah I feel like this would be better for that but little metal yeah I don't know it's very neat but and for what it is it's quite cheap for the effect that it gives. It's quite cheap. But it's cool. I'm sitting here trying to. I'm sitting here trying to figure out what I would use it for.

I got one. What would I do with it? I mean, right now, I feel like it falls into the novelty category of like it's going to it would take again, like you said, if you can't see through it, then what the hell is the point? But this is the start of a thing. And if you want to get on the ground floor and mess around with it, I'm sure look as a creator, I can think of several uses for videos. Oh, yeah. See, I should have went in that direction. I was just like at home real uses. I'm like, what can I do with it?

Scare my cat folks like, you know what I mean? Like they'll go nuts with this. Right. Yeah. I wonder if there's a distance if you stand far enough back that you can see the person. Like, I wonder if it's like from a distance, it looks even better. No, I mean, if like if I stayed close to the front of it, but I had the person behind it walk backwards, I wonder if they'd eventually appear in the image.

I wonder if that's I don't know how it works. Like, I don't know. It's definitely just bending the light around a shield, like around a bubble, which feels like it's super simple. And I'm surprised it's been took this long. I wonder what made it take so long to get to the point where we can make it. No idea. No idea.

But it's really neat. It's probably like something weird manufacturing technique. He has a weird plastic or or whatever they use really cool They're strange Heart like my time that gets Maybe by the time it gets out there and this goes free for everybody Everybody'll have an InvisiShield for no real reason other than imagine if you could 3d print something it's potential that you could 3d print something Like this. That's right. Yeah wonder

I mean I don't know how it's built like it it's probably like bent in there, like whatever, like the the the plastic itself is probably like curved or twisted in some way. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I it looks it looks like they are rolling it up and taking it with them. No problem. Even though it's heavy. Or maybe it's not. Maybe that's the key is it's it's the supports are the heaviest part.

And the film is because the mini is literally what? It looks like an overhead projector thing like yeah, the mini is very small and does the exact same thing yeah Yeah, I don't know. I would get the mini just to like See what the fuck it is right? Yeah, it's all God help us all those dudes who make videos What's like I woke up in the future, and there's no one in the city Oh, yeah, that filter over your camera and suddenly the city's empty. Yeah Dude, that's probably it's a made of polycarbonate. Whatever the fuck that is. That's like it's like very durable

You know modern modern modern Crete. Yeah modern Crete. They go. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool though. That's cool It's it's very interesting. I saw it was like, this is so topical to the show that we do. Yeah. Alex, you take it. Yeah. So this guy, Dr. Sebastian Voltmer, was filming the night sky. This is according to MSN.com. He said, while I was filming the moon,

I suddenly saw a fast bright, something darting through the image. Uh, at first people said, oh, it's a satellite, oh, it's a space station, but it's pretty fast. Uh, maybe it's a meteor. It doesn't have a tail. So again, moving too fast. Uh, no records of shooting stars at the time, uh, according to the

international meteor organization, he ruled out dust or bugs near the lens. He said it would have been more than 500 meters away based on the visual data. But according to BILD, which is like some kind of org, he says, quote, I actually assume that it was at an altitude of 100 to 200 kilometers, i.e. in the transition to the so-called low Earth orbit, according to the Daily Star. It's hard to make out the exact shape because it's fast and blurry. It could also be space junk or a military object. But he said that he was surprised for how it looks, that there weren't more reports of it.

And here you go. Here's a tick tock. Give it a look. Let's see what the tish does. Yes, according to Nukes top look. Teach Tosh. Let's see what the teach Tosh says. According to Nukes, top five. Top five ghosts. So you can see it first on the little iPhone screen and then you can. The dark by instantly my mind was like bug, but but again, he's seeing it through his telescope.

It's pretty high res. Like when you when you really get to see this footage. Yeah, he keeps zooming in. It rips by at a very high speed. He says not the ISS. Yeah, it's interesting. This actually can go along with yours. It's not what I was going to bring today, but there was also a New York sighting last week. And I found this interesting.

Is this the cloud one? No, but I've seen that one, too. That was there was one today that was like looked like that one. I just linked to you in chat. This is New York, New York. It was a string of lights kind of dimming in a row. Could it have been a satellite? I'm trying to look at this damn thing.

Which one are you talking about? The one which won the one that from the one that Alex said, the got you got you. Yeah, this one is by super quick. This New York one, it's the one in Lowville, New York, LOWville from March 7th. It's it looks like a fucking UFO sighting from like. The Phoenix lights, almost. It also kind of like gives like Elon Musk vibes, I'm not sure, but like so.

I mean, I know what Starlink launches look like and that's usually not what it looks like. Yeah, not exactly like that. Yeah, but what I what was interesting. I think the one of the reasons rather this was interesting to me is because that remember that time. I told you on the street where I saw that for the last second of that orange light almost like dim to darkness instead of like vanish that it wasn't a string of lights like this, but the way they kind of vanish is exactly the same way I kind of saw it happen where it was like a dimming effect as opposed to an instant off. Not that I again, people told me some really interesting things that it could be. But like, yeah, yeah, it's just interesting. But yours is like way more interesting because through a telescope that's focused on the moon, really high detail, and this thing is caught and it goes by and even got Jesse trying to become a scientist.

They're both pretty damn good. Both of these both of these UFO footages, I would say are both like better than average. Yeah. I agree. By the way is by at Sebastian Valtmer. If you want to go look for it. Sebastian discover anything. Jesse, have you cracked the code? No, no.

I mean, I understand why they're considered mysterious. I'm trying to figure it out. But like it's yeah, this falls into the category of there's it's so something weird. There it's so the I mean the one math is sent I Want to say that it's like flares maybe but the way they go they kind of slither Yeah, they kind of like mm-hmm. It's weird They look like they're on a string to each other or or on the lip of some kind of like you know

mollusk looking ridge. Yeah, yeah, it's very, again, if you've ever seen the the footage of Phoenix Lights, it does remind me of Phoenix Lights kind of stuff. Yeah, I feel like it has to be manmade, but I just don't understand how. I have no explanation of how it could be, but it doesn't seem meant to you, AP. Yeah, it doesn't seem extraterrestrial. Just seems like something I've never seen before.

Yeah. And the thing on Alex's is just fucking it's interesting. It's just a it's just a rare kind of sighting. Let's put it that way. Yeah. I'll bring us to the end here with a little bit of science, I suppose. I shared this with you. I shared this with you earlier this week, boys, just personally.

But another nuclear fission breakthrough has happened this time out in South Korea. Scientists in South Korea have announced a new world record for the length of time they've sustained temperatures of 100 million degrees Celsius, seven times hotter than the sun's core during a nuclear fusion experiment. Sorry, not fission fusion. And what they say is an important step toward the futuristic energy technology. Nuclear fusion seeks to replicate the reaction that makes the sun and other stars shine by fusing together two atoms to unleash huge amounts of energy, often referred to as the Holy Grail of climate solutions.

Fusion has the potential to provide limitless energy. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So the most common way of them doing this is basically that donut shaped shaped reactor where they smash things together, essentially similar. Yeah, like that. They're using the KSTAR Research Center at Korean Institute of Fusion Energy, KFE, which set the new record. Sustaining these high temperatures was not easy to demonstrate.

I'm just trying to get to the point where they fucking tell you, OK. Yeah, so they sustained it for 48 seconds during the test between December, 23rd and February, December, 20, 23 and February, 20, 24. In the previous record of 30 seconds that was set in 2021. How can it resist that heat? How do they contain that heat? They just say they say I just scientists do what scientists do. I imagine they built some sort of layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of like metal and cooling.

And I don't I don't know, dude. How does it not just destroy everything? How could it be their ultimate aim is to sustain plasma temperatures of 100 million degrees for 300 seconds by 2026, which is what they consider a critical point to be able to scale up fusion operations and like be able to actually make progress with it. So like we're looking at like, I mean, nuclear fusion has always been like truly, like I said, the holy grail of it. This article CNN, but there's a bunch of other articles out there on other websites about the same thing. Dude, that is wild stuff. It's crazy. Like it's always been like a dream.

And yeah, it's under a minute that it's sustained. But still it's for it's not like it was a nanosecond. Like when we create those mini black holes where they only there for like under a second. But these are 48 seconds of sustained 100 million degrees Celsius temperatures. Hotter than the sun's core. You can see how you contain it. Yeah, it just would just burn everything like right. But eventually would dissipate because it's focused. Right. So I get like it's focused and as it gets away from the focal point it gets colder but but surely yes I'm saying like surely it would. clue. Maybe I just don't understand how there's like a lot of good temperature resistance on this earth, but I don't think so.

I maybe. Yeah, I mean, I always thought like that if you had any of that on Earth, like we would all just melt. Well, you know, we were talking about we were talking about a long time ago. I did the like one of those listicles that I did. That's like about here's the building of it, by the way, if you guys want to see the image of it. Remember that how how how hot was it? 100 million degrees Celsius for 48 seconds. Seven times hotter than the core of our sun.

That's just it's a lot. I sent you a link in chat. That's actually a picture of it, of what they use. Like that's what it looks like. Like that looks like I imagine all those pipes on the outside are like cooling pipes or something like the door that like leads into it or whatever that is, is like scorched. It looks like a sci-fi movie. Yeah, it does.

It really, really does. This is this is tripping me up because tantalum carbide TAC and half neom carbide TAC and Hafnium carbide HFC are These refractory ceramics and they are the most heat resistant things on the planet that we have created and that's 4,000 degrees Celsius We're talking about 100 million degrees Celsius 100 million degrees Celsius seven times hotter than the Sun's core But is it like because we're talking about microscopic.

Yeah. I hear they say that in the article. Let's see. I imagine it has to be small, like super small. I don't I don't like the focal point. It's that temperature. But I can't imagine around it is this because again, that sounds that sounds like that gets too hot, right? Like so in 2020. Again, that sounds that sounds like that. It's too hot, right? Like very hot to the point where it has to be the same logic as like a mini black hole, like because you figure if you create a black hole,

it's going to suck up everything around it. Just as you create the sun, it's going to burn everything around it. A black hole is a sun. Well, that's what I mean, though, like the opposite end. Right. But like. I don't know what it was. Caused them here. But what they there's they say in February that other scientists in the city of Oxford in England were able to produce

69 megajoules of fusion energy for five seconds, roughly enough to power 12000 homes for that amount of time. So this. But again, this is like microscopic. I don't stuff. This is microscopic. I just in the whole article doesn't mention the size or like the scale rather, I guess that which atoms are talking about, right? So like you have to add them. So it had to have been but the fact that again, it's the same thing with a nuclear bomb though, right? We are literally splitting a singular atom and look what it does. So you smash together two atoms.

I imagine it must be contained so tightly and so small. But still, they just still in whatever size it was, it was still 100 million degrees Celsius for 48 seconds at that size, which is like that's still a lot. Does it really matter? Like, at what point does the size of where that heat is coming from? Fucking matter. Oh, what the hell? Tokamak.

These things you're you're you're you can't. Those are the $20 tier can see, but the look of just bewilderment on on Alex's face. OK, to for clarity, clarity for everyone wondering the first atom bombs the the first one use was two trillion trillion fission events so and that produced the explode so it isn't just like one little atom collision is gonna cause you know well, that's calamity This is fusion sure sure sure but but this can be very very small and I leave no

crazy Like exploding a city kind of effects. Yeah You want to know the answer it's still producing that amount of energy, which is why it's so important like oh, yeah Sure, sure. Okay a tokamak is Bay. That's the thing It's called a tokamak. Yeah, yeah the thing that they slam the atoms to based around a donut-shaped vacuum chamber called a Taurus Within which gaseous hydrogen fuel is subjected to extreme heat and pressure until it becomes plasma an electrical an electrically charged hot gas Plasma is also found in the core of stars and is the environment that allows light elements to fuse and release energy. The hot plasma is kept away from the walls of the torus by magnetic coils that line the vessel. One set of coils generate

an intense toroidal field, while a central solenoid, a magnet carrying electric current, creates a poloidal field, confining the plasma particles. A third set of magnetic coils creates an outer poloidal field to shape and position the plasma within the torus. So it's like magnets... Sounds like the way they would... And I know this sounds nuts and just don't, don't, you know... But it reminds me of the way Lazar would describe

the supposed engine of the UFO that it would work on the magnet shit Oh When he like contains a little magnet ball, you know what I'm saying the Lord of magnetism Yeah, he's like so powerful the fusion process begins with the evacuation of air and any impurities from the vacuum chamber before the magnetic systems are charged up and The gaseous fuel is introduced an electric current is passed through the vessel, breaking down and ionizing the gas so that the electrons are stripped away from the nuclei, forming a plasma. Okay, so under these conditions, the highly energized particles are able to overcome

their natural electromagnetic repulsion as they collide, allowing them to fuse and releasing huge amounts of energy. And apparently, the fusion process is deemed inherently safe and a range of additional safety measures are built into fusion power plant designs. Even a cataclysmic breach in a tokamak would only create very low levels of radioactivity outside of the plant enclosure. How about that?

I would like to understand what that meant, but. The chamber, wait, check this out. Can it explode the chamber in a modern tokamak such as the itare tokamak can typically contains less than one tenth of a gram of hydrogen fuel at any given moment. Should a disruption occur during a pulse the reaction immediately cools down and ends meaning that a nuclear explosion of the tokamak site like itare is not possible. of the tokamak site like I tear is not possible. I mean, like, think about that, man. Like that's that's like a crazy step toward energy, you know, just that idea of just such a small reaction to produce more energy than is like put into making it happen. It does. It does kind of make the idea of, you know, when we think about societies that have harnessed the power of a sun and they build like yeah, yeah that

Really what we should be thinking over the societies that don't even need the Sun because they can make make our micro Sun Yep And everything has a little baby Sun in it and you can just power everything like your phone powered by the Sun But it's a song created by the phone You know like that cuz yeah Cuz literally just two atoms and like it's such a little need. And if we can figure out how to magnetize, contain, it will get there eventually, whether we live to see that kind of stuff or not, who knows.

But I have a feeling that is not on our. No, no, probably not. Unless the aliens come out and they're like, we've been using magnets, bro. And I've been like, I knew it. I knew it. Magnets. Can you tell us how they work? That's it for us, everybody. Thank you so much for the support here at Patreon.com

slash IlluminatiPod. We'll be back next week with some more in the part two of Zodiac for the main episode. Goodbye. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the mini so many so one seventy seven. Oh, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I don't like this. I don't I don't like I don't like it. No, they pay for you. So they pay for it.

If this is what they pay for. That's what they pay for. If this is what they pay for. Yeah. That's what I call. That's what I call Alex's big bucks. You know what I'm saying? Alex's big bucks. All right. Yeah, that should be a new tier. Alex's big bucks here.

But it's like five million dollars. Five million dollars a month and I groan forever. You just groan for that one person. There's a button you press and when you press it, it connects to my phone and I've grown into my phone, just for you. I've grown right into my phone. For five million?

Sure. I've grown right into my phone. But you have to have. For you, patreon.com slash chilenityproject. You gotta have operating hours though. You gotta be able to sleep at some point, you know? I'm available only from nine a.m. to 9 p.m. PST. Okay, not too bad.

It's pretty, pretty, the number hours there during the day. You can get a grown-up at any point. That's a lot. It is a lot. That's more than a working day. Yeah. Welcome to the Minnesota, everybody. What do you boys bring?

You know what I have. I mean, if we just wanna talk about that, we can. I don't know if we'll take the whole episode though. I have a funzie. I have a funzie because it blew my mind. And I know we'd like to talk about this on here. And it was wild. I'm love I'm already in. What do you got? So you guys know, friend of the pod, Amanda. And she so she, we always send each other jokes and stuff on the phone. And she sent me this file the other day. And I thought

it was fucking hilarious. So I'm gonna just send you guys the file you guys listen to it first and then we'll talk about it. Okay. I don't. Okay. It's on discord. Jesse.

It's a chill song so far. The Green Guy. What? What is this song about? So it's some type of yacht rock about a groovy green guy and it feels like an inside joke I don't understand. Yeah yeah I'm trying to figure it out. It's like so yeah my friend sent me this thing and I just don't know what this is. It's kind of weird right? It's a song!

No it's just a song! I don't know what's weird about it. You don't notice anything strange about it at all? No it's a groovy rock, rock, I can't say it. Yacht rock song. Yeah. Okay. So this is some indie weird like. Yeah.

So this is Yacht Rock Froggy. And it's a song that was created by Amanda, Amanda and a website called Udio.com that does AI music generation. So that song. Okay.com that does AI music generation. So that song was made just off a prompt. I'm not sure if that's more of an indictment of AI or yacht rock. I don't know which it is because I noticed I was like, it's a yacht rock song. Okay. So I checked this out and it says Udio. It's udio.com and you can like sign up it's in beta still builds AI

tools to enable the next generation of music creators. We believe AI has the potential to expand musical horizons and enable anyone to create extraordinary music. udio.com allows users to create music from simple text prompts by specifying topics, genres and other descriptors, which are then transformed into professional quality tracks. So what's how do you spell this? audio, like studio, but just audio I have. Oh, okay. So I started fucking around with this thing. Because it's it you kind of sometimes

have to wait because it's in beta. So it takes a long time to generate stuff sometimes. But I, I've been working on the zodiac. So I asked for like a Beatles song about the zodiac killer. And I fed it. I fed it to the A.I. And this is what it gave me is a song called I hate this. I hate I hate this. This is where we are.

I did not write this. I did not write this. I just suggested that a computer make this. All right. I'm hitting play. All right, so it is a Beatles style song and music, but the voice is so stupid. It sucks, dude. I'm so glad it sucks. The yacht rock one was way more believable. The voice in this one's like, it's like, you can almost tell it sucks. I'm so glad. The Yacht Rock one was way more believable. The voice in this one's like, it's like, you can almost tell it's a couple different... It's a zodiac, man.

Yeah, it's kind of like a weird amalgamation of some voices. Okay, so yeah, so the zodiac one... It smells like he smoked like three packs today alone. Later on, there are some like background vocals that sound very Beatles. It gets wild. But the main vocal sounds like William Shatner reading instead of singing. Yeah, it's a weird British old man voice and it's kind of Beat Poetry-esque. Weird-ass song and I guess they can hear it, right?

I'll pass it along to Dean and we'll get it in there. Yeah, cool. And then the so then that that was another one that I just was like, write a song about the Zodiac Killer, right? Then I realized that you can actually write your own actual lyrics to. So I just off the top of my head, because I wanted to be true to the process. I didn't want to like spend time thinking about it. I just tried to write like something funny that came to my mind as fast as possible. And what I wrote about was a pill that you take that unclogs your butt when you get clay when you eat too much clay and get clay in your butt. Okay. Uh, I was I was sitting on the toilet when I wrote this. Yeah, well, I just want to you know, I want to know I kind of want to ask what the inspiration was. was sitting on the toilet when I wrote this. Yeah, I was. I just want to, you know, I want to know. I kind of want to ask what the inspiration was. And yet at the same time, I asked him, don't I?

I asked it for a 1960s triple a Broadway musical. OK. All right. Clay within. OK, sucks. Oh, no. within okay sucks That I enjoy it So besides the fact that you discovered this yeah, and it's like interesting Where are we going with this? Oh music is fucked. We're fucked thing. Where are we going with this? Oh, music is fucked. We're fucked. No, yeah, I figured the whole point was Alex is like, Oh, no, we are absolutely fucked. Nobody's gonna care. Nobody's

nobody's gonna care about songs anymore. This is it. Nobody nobody cares already. We were talking earlier today. I think in the episode or before the episode, we were talking about how nobody cares where stuff comes from already. Right? People just like songs because that's how you that's how you get music is in like four minute long snippets that somebody put out there for you to get. There's no context, you don't even you don't even know how it's made. You might not even understand about guitars

and microphones. You might not even understand. You might not even listen to guitars, you might listen to completely computer generated music, right? And then maybe if you can just generate 15 minutes of music that you like, maybe you'll just say, hey, instead, maybe I'll just start doing 15s. And if you generate your own 15s, it doesn't matter if you know who the Beatles are because you don't need to find bands

that are good because you can make music that's satisfactory to yourself. I'm not saying you're wrong music that's satisfactory to yourself. I'm not saying you're wrong and that this is absolutely going to rock the industry even further, but also there's still like no replacement for live shows, right? Like even Hatsune Miku, which is probably the closest thing to like an AI and I know it's a Vocaloid and people behind it, but it's not an AI, but like you can't go to an AI concert and see live action.

The Beatles step out and sing about clay in your ass. Mathis, that's just not going to happen. Can I can I get digital music kind of thrown at you? But if you want to go like experience live music, people still have to be involved. How many concerts a year, Mathis? How many do you depends on the person? How many you how many do you go to? Don't I I am in a unique case who did not listen to music growing up and don't didn't like music for the vast majority of my life.

Be the perfect candidate for Udio.com. If you just don't know, I don't think I am. You want to learn you want to learn about new you want to learn about bands and their history rather than just getting straight to the music you want to hear right away at the drop of a hat with the words you like. No, because the thing is, it's like, again, different. But my I have to like, it has to be like the song has to like, resonate with me on a personal level for me to enjoy. What about you, Jesse? How many how many live concerts a year that you don't that aren't like right now making his own musical right now?

That's part of that. That's that, you know, something that's not part of your job, like, you know, genuine, like I paid to go see a band that I want to go see. Like two, three times a year. Right. Like, yeah, there's just it's just as an example. The next one I've already paid for the one I'm next to go to is in August. Yeah.

So like that gives you an example of where I'm at concert wise. Yeah. So I think, yeah, sure. Maybe there's something nice about live music. Right. Sure. But. Yeah, so I think yeah, sure. Maybe there's something nice about live music, right? Sure, but More and more it starts to feel like you know, we're gonna be like the new Luddites you know eventually if people who care about the Beach Boys or you know songwriting or

Beautiful language or things that we used to need that we don't really need anymore Because we can just make stuff ourselves without without that's good enough. Right? Obviously, what is this website again? It's called udio.com. Udio. Obviously, nobody's gonna write, no computer is gonna write. There's a song on the front page for me that says my man shit in his pants at work. Yeah, that's the one that like got this, this famous. That's the first thing Amanda sent me that I, that I heard. That was just, there's a whole album of things that he made that are all about this guy pooping his pants. And they're all like fucking hilarious.

Yeah. It's wild. It's scary. AI like think about when we started covering AI a year or two ago and like how insanely fast it's blitz to where it's at. It's no, it's scary. And when I still worry when Sora comes out, the video making one like that's also horrifying.

Like, what's that going to do? Yeah, I don't know. I still feel like we're a ways off from like getting soul in art from a computer. Like, it's still that requires. I genuinely think that would require what the scientific field calls general AI. AI with true sentience, true ability to reason,

a self-awareness. Like data, yeah, like data, basically. Literally, exactly, like data, but the first version, like a huge computer that's the size of a building version. But that's like, I want to paint, you know, like that's something that I need to express myself. That's I think that's the that's when we'll get there. And the question is, you know, a lot of the times I'm reading up an AI

and it seems like we're still really far away from general AI. Even what Gemini is, Google's like more creative in what not and how fascinating it works on a neural net. It's still not It generally just seems like it's very good at pretending to be yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, you're I mean it's scary as hell I hate that all the one thing that's still pretty maintained consistent even though it's definitely gotten better is AIR is always just like so Not always but pretty obvious with like a

lot of how it looks. It's just not like two detailed cartoon cell shading almost. Yeah, it's all it's all very mid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all like very not pro. It's all very pro, but it's all very mid. Yeah, I for me, AI for me has been a great petty test of my friends. Like culture or culturedness. But the willingness to promise it will always hate it. It'll always work on me because I'm just so uncaught. Sure, didn't like I just I was so in.

But it's not what you're right. It's not convincing you. You're not. I guess not. No, I guess you're not. But I'm saying I guess you could you would be able to fool me with it. Like the first song I did not know until you told me what it was that it was a I. Yeah, same big same. I was like, okay, what does this mean? I just really quickly want to jump in here with with mine because it very much relates

in a way that I was not expecting. But I feel like we should talk about immediately about fraud. Please. In Japan, they ran a study about AI personalities evolving in game theory and what they did, I'll just break it down for you. It's a game theory, like their own game theory in game theory. Yeah, they put them in a game theory scenario.

I see. And basically they're using in a game theory scenario. I see and It basically they're using prisoners dilemma. I'll just break it down So the research utilized the prisoners dilemma game to evolve AI personalities showing that AI can adopt Cooperative and selfish behaviors and then AI was given genes Encoded with natural language descriptions of personality traits that give them more nuanced behavior. And then what they did was study what would happen, right? And trying to get it to mirror human social dynamics.

Basically this Japanese team using a prisoner's dilemma wanted to see what would happen. And so they reported to scientific reports that essentially the AI systems were object, like their objective was to try and obtain virtual currency, virtual gains, basically doing game theory. And the dilemma, if you know prisoner's dilemma, consists of choosing whether to cooperate or defect with your partner. And in this scenario, the AI, if they chose to cooperate, if both of them did, they both get $4. However, if one defected and one cooperated, the

defector gets five, the cooperator gets nothing. And if they both defect, they receive $1 each. The idea of prisoner's dilemma for those who do not know is imagine two rooms and Mathis is in one room and Alex is in another room and I am interrogating them. If they both decide to be like, well, I wasn't there. I don't know what that is. Right. Or they both can say, yeah, we, we, we did it. Or one can say it was all Mathis, or one could say it was all Alex. And the other one could, and those are the various outcomes. And, you know, it's one of those things where in this case, the result is instead of me saying, well, if you cooperate, boys, I'll only give you each four years in prison.

But if both of them are like, it wasn't us, it wasn't a, maybe I could send you to prison for one year, but you both, if you both knew to do that, could get one year. But if Mathis is like, it was all Alex, the math is off Scott free. And Alex goes to jail for, I don't know, the rest of his life, right? Forever. And so that's the prisoner's dilemma. That's how we go. And so they made these AI do this. And what ended up happening is because they instilled these sort of genes in them with diverse personality traits, sort of genes in them with diverse personality traits, they began to evolve over the course of this experiment so that they would sometimes be more selfish or sometimes be more cooperative. And in certain AI models, different personality traits took over.

And so it's entirely fascinating to see how this works. And they're trying to observe became the way for everyone. It became the person became their dominant way of acting. Well, so there's different AI, different like AI. I don't know. I want to say people because that's not right. But imagine AI people and they each have different personality traits. They're funneling into them to see what we'll do what. And in the end, they, they come up with like, basically that, um, they're in order

for AI to contribute positively to human society, they need to design guidelines for AI to mix in with the human population. And this is kind of like the, all right, we're learning what would work and what wouldn't and where an AI might be a little more selfish than an AI who's willing to cooperate with human and, and, and like work with society. And I think it's super interesting. It's probably like a great way of making sure we don't get like in order to save humanity, I must kill humanity. You know what I mean? I thought you were going to say that the, I thought you were going to say the AIs assimilated

the cops and took over the police station. I mean, I feel like that's the fear, right? But this was just like a personality test thing. They run a bunch of simulations and it's super interesting. The one thing they did say, they uncovered an instability inherent in AI societies with excessively cooperative groups being replaced by more egocentric agents. And the funny thing about that is even though they say AI societies, I feel like that's just that society in general. Yeah.

There's math to society. Maybe all cultures are the same. Maybe wouldn't that be crazy? I don't know. Maybe all cultures are the same. Maybe. Wouldn't that be crazy? Wouldn't that be crazy if dolphins like understood all our societal structure? Wouldn't that be insane? That'd be really wild.

I mean, AI's scary, man. Yeah, when you look at it from a cultural level mimicking us is probably the worst thing we could get them to do. Literally. Yeah, I've always thought, you don't want them to be like humans, man. We're the fucking worst. They should be, we should base it on fucking Pikachu.

That shit would be fucking, that shit would be excellent. I mean like, because like, at its core, I think every human understands what society, civilization, humanity should be, right? We understand the concept of like our humanity. Yeah. But in reality, it is not at all the case. People are self-centered and fearful beings that will do whatever it takes to make it another day.

That's like really what it is. And then AI, I would pick up on that shit instantly and be like, what are you doing, Alex? Like that? No, thank you. Maybe we should feed it Superman. We should feed it Spider-Man. Doctor who all the like super. We need to feed it Superman.

And then it becomes an else world story where he goes evil. No, I mean, like if you said it's Superman, then the AI would be like, well, I have to protect you. You know, like it's always like a monkey Paul genie situation where it's like, I want to be, you know, I it's always like a monkey Paul genie situation where it's like I want to be, you know I want to live forever and then you're just like an old husk like The matrix is coming real man the matrix coming through real

Coming realize the wrong way to phrase that but you know, I mean It's I'm scary I'm scared for the day that we actually did do generate sentient AI And I'm I'm genuinely curious if we'll even recognize it when we do We definitely will it will be so fucking scary It will be because I mean like we won't see it publicly first I imagine what what would they if like researchers would realize what they've done imagine encountering it imagine Imagine talking to the computer and it actually does feel alive. Imagine it doesn't feel.

I want to know what that's like, but then I want to put it away forever and never live in that world. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's extremely scary. So you know, yeah. Oh, you want to end with something a little less scary? Yes. What is it? Is it the impending invasion of our earth from invention?

No, no. Dimension. Did you read the impending invasion of our Earth from no dimension? Did you read the I read the entire thing last night? I was not. I did not have time to read the other things. I was cracking out Zodiac. But yeah, so here's what we got, Jesse, because you don't know. You have no idea what it is. I have no idea. A 56 page document was declassified by the U.S.

about a secret, a potential secret project called Kona Blue. Now, before we get into what all this is, there are people that are saying this is a smoking gun. It's not. But it is important because it takes rumors that we have been hearing for years and actually gives us evidence that they were true. So the story goes, I heard this on a podcast years ago. And the story is like back in 08, 09,

Senator Harry Reid and a few other people were trying to get what was A.A.W.S.A.P. at the time, special access program classification. That way they from the people that were coming to them and, you know, whistleblowing behind closed doors, if they could get that classification, they could then reach out to private companies that supposedly have these things and start bringing things in. That was denied, and then they were told to like,

repitch it as a separate program. So AAWSAP closed down, and then about a year later, Reed came forward and pitched something called Kona Blue, which was a potential secret access program project exclusively, and the entire 56 page document is the history of Kona Blue, it being pitched, letters back and forth, emails back and forth, talking about what the whole project's plan was,

why they're doing it, and it basically confirms that everything that they were interviewing about back then about this thing being pushed and trying to get it going in the back end without giving any details was true. And you see it actually takes place over the course of 2008 to 2012. It takes forever for them to even hear back about their application, about things that they wanted to do with the program. And according to the same story from the interviews from these people on podcasts, they had one private company ready to work with them. And that was Lockheed. They were ready to divest some of their materials that they couldn't do anything with,

and they were ready to give them over. And they just needed to wait for them to be approved as a special access program. They were preemptively approved and a few other things throughout. And then at the end, when it came time to give them the yes or no, and they had been partially funded as well already, somebody, Lieutenant Lynn, I think his name was in the papers, asks some questions, asks if the personnel that they're asking for is even enough for what they want. And when the interview was over, he immediately told the told his whoever is working for him to terminate the SAP that they were applying for.

And that's what this whole 56 page thing is, is the declassification of those papers from 2008 to 2012. And the in between with a lot of redactions, of course, of them trying to get this program moved in what they were basically trying to get this program moved in. What they were basically trying to do was create a special access program and basically pull the materials from other places that they could

and have it all in one place. They've been talking about doing for 75 years. Yep. Yeah. Yep, exactly that. And they got pretty close and then shut down with this here. There's a fascinating little- But that's what I understand that it's kind of

a make the best of a situation where they still had this funding to spend, right? They didn't have the proof. They did, and that's where, and so that's where Bisholo got some of his, the 12 million that he got, because they asked for 22, and they gave him 12 million upfront.

They redact who it is, but they leave the acronym BAASS, which is Bisholo's Aer aerospace aeronautics study, whatever other is like in there. It's a huge document and they also put it up in a PDF that can't be word. Like you can't do like specific searches in it. It's like an O I forget what the name of the formatting of the document is. But there's interesting quotes that are within it. And one of them, one of the big parts of it we're gonna go over a small piece of it is just like What the plan was what they were trying to do with this office and they break down like Some of the stuff yeah Alex. Oh, yeah. Did you read any of it at all?

I read the quotes that you sent me and then I I threw out there Yeah, and then I did a skim of it and I was like oh shit but it's crazy so yeah I'm gonna go over the plan with what they were trying to do what they pitched basically on page 13 for 13 pages in they talk about bringing in aeronautics NASA and a bunch of others to help with the research including the consciousness centers which I had to google to see I didn't know those existed, but they do like studies. They study consciousness and they say, quote, to conduct experiments to determine baseline parameters for physical transport across dimensional space time barrier, as opposed to communication and data transfer only.

Like the bottom of page 18. Yeah. Under the justification of need for basically why this needs to be an SAP program, they say, quote, for recovered AAV technology, which is advanced aerial vehicle technology, exists and is accessible only within an SAP construct. Pages 21 to 22 say quote, they look for records, reports, raw data and threat analysis pertaining to but not limited to advanced aerospace vehicle tracking by any agency or armed services within the continental U.S. All data from low earth orbit lunar and mars associated data both historical and contemporary from NASA and all data historical and contemporary pertaining

to interaction sightings of advanced aerospace vehicles at missile sites nuclear weapon storage facilities and at air force bases in the continental US. They continue on the next pages, extend remote communication programs to communicate and retrieve data across dimensional space-time barrier, which is not something, that's not new to the CIA. They've been studying remote viewing since like the 60s,

I think is like the first ones that got declassified. And further down. Is that the movie about whatever with George Clooney and stuff? Yeah, the men who talk to goats or whatever speak with goats. Stereotypes. And goats and this page 51. Since the advanced aerospace threat and identification program, that's a tip and study were first commissioned. Much progress has been made with the identification of several

highly sensitive unconventional aerospace related findings. Given the current rate of success, the continued study of these subjects will likely lead to technology advancements that in the immediate near term will require extraordinary protection. Ultimately, the results of ATIP will not only benefit the U.S. government, but I believe will directly benefit the DOD in ways not yet imagined. The technological insight and capability gained will provide the U.S. with a distinct advantage over any foreign threats and allow the U.S. to maintain its preeminence as a world leader." Which is they really basically go into that, the pitch of Kona Blue, why it has to be SAP, why they even say like they don't

want to be they don't want to be able to have to publicly say what they're doing, like just lie about it. And they basically say like, we need to keep this super compartmentalized so that other countries don't see what we see, which confirms what we already been talking about is one of the problems is that like, if this is happening, it's so over compartmentalized amongst different branches. What's fascinating in those papers too is at the very beginning, they're pitching it to the DIA. Then they got to go pitch it to the DOD. Then they have to repitch it as Kona Blue back to the DIA. But with the caveat that Congress would be the one that gave them oversight.

So it's like a constant different governments can also different sections of governments can give you classification as an SAP under their jurisdiction. But those SAP are not privy to the SAP of other government branches. So DIA SAP and DOD SAP are don't talk together. And so they were like, you know, we don't think you need to be here with the DIA SAP and DOD SAP don't talk together. And so they were like, we don't think you need to be here with the DIA. You should go to the DOD. The DOD is like, you need to repitch it. It's literally just evidence that it's all compartmentalized. It's all just chaos. They don't know what the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. And they give money and then they're like, actually, we're going to say no, but you already have the 12 million. Give us 36 papers.

Give us the data you have. They made 36 reports, handed them over, and then they were like, they got debriefed. It says it in the report. All the people of the potential SAP program were debriefed, but no papers and no records were required. It specifically says that in the thing. So there's no papers or records of what those debriefs were. We don't know. And that's really what this is.

It's just confirmation that these rumors and stories that we had heard years ago weren't bullshit. Were actually true. They weren't bullshit. These were all actively happening on the inside of the government. Regardless of what was literally going on in the program.

Right, it was all happening and it was taking place. It was taking literal years, like five or six years before they finally got the final no. After they got partially funded, partially approved and moved forward. It's very weird. It's very bizarre. Read the whole thing. I really highly suggest. I read all 56 pages, like top to bottom. Read it. It's fascinating. There's some really interesting tidbits in there.

They even show how like there's a little diagram where they show they would interact with the private companies, like company X would give it to this program. This program would give it to the DOD, which would then give it to this company to research. Like they have it all outlined in there and shit. It's just fascinating. You know what I would be really interested to know about this is like how common this is compared to like how the rest of the government all works. Like, is this like fucking weird or is this like? I just am like a baby who doesn't know anything about how stupid the

how often the government works, like how often does a project ask for like 22 million and then get 12 million pushed along and then get to the final bit where they have the final interview with their final presentation and then can it. And I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't like I have no idea how that out like how often that works. But also we may have nobody who can actually give that answer because they're special access programs. Like I can't imagine anybody in the public actually can give you an answer as to how often this happens is for SAP's. Because there's not one single person who knows. Couldn't we look and see what other government

organizations have had something similar where it's like only if they've been declassified. Yeah, I just would love to know this is declassified and these this is from almost 10 years ago. I just want to know somebody who knows how this is. I just want to know how weird this is, how how wild this is, because it sounds wild to me, because there's words in there that are crazy. And like, the number of millions of dollars is a lot, right? Or at least they confirm that report to that the government and they use it as a touchstone. They use that the government has

over 200,000 reports from their own personnel of UAP sightings and encounters that they use as a database. So we know that they have a database of over 200,000. Like that's crazy that we got to pull. But we kind of already knew that, I think. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Alex, I cut you off. No, it just is interesting. And I just I wanted to be a little bit more contextualized because it's exciting because it's like it's a declassified

UFO document kind of thing. And so it's exciting stuff. Still censored. Yeah, but I just I just I just need it to be contextualized for me a little more because like I should talk about I like advancing technology within gravitic quantum, like stuff that's not just fantasy, like stuff that we're doing now. I just want to know, like in terms of like how this was handled

and stuff like that, like how the government is functioning here, if it really is something that's like super strange, because I know we have tons of totally legit SAPs that come and go like this all the time. So I'm just wondering if this is just a feature or if it's a bug. Like I want to know how long does it take to declassify stuff? Cause this is 12 years later. I just want to know how exciting this is actually. Other than the it's not a smoking gun. Yeah, exactly.

The only thing it's a smoking gun of is that, OK, the government is very compartmentalized. Got it. Like it makes sense. And that confirms and that these meetings and the put in like funding did happen. We now confirmation that Bisholo did get funded by the government to like do skinwalker ramp stuff, which is, you know, kind of what he's known for now. Yeah, it's just a fucking fascinating paper. Again, I urge everybody who's interested, read the whole thing. You can find it online.

You can look up Kona Kona blue documents, the 56 page PDF file up on the government's website. Go check it out. It's very weird. Yeah, please do. It's fucking weird. But yeah, it's all I got is just like another weird like UAP update. So with that in mind, I'm sure it doesn't really change my opinion on anything. It doesn't really move anything like in terms of the needle, but it does confirm like some things that people were like, well, it's only rumors.

And you're like, you're right. It is only rumors. And now we now we have that on that. We're out of here, guys. We got a bounce. We'll be back next week with another mini show for you all. We love you. here guys. We got a bounce. We'll be back next week with another mini-show for you all. We love you Appreciate you Jesse brought his laughter and the tales Alex dropped the mysteries they unveil

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