Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini - Jesse Reminds Us Time Isn't Real

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

Minisodes 177 and 178 What is time exactly...have some existential dread for the holidays! MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro

Hello everybody, my little Chaluminots and welcome back. Minnesota 177. It sucks knowing the camera's on because Alex and I just played to camera. We offered nothing to the audio listener at all. Oh, but you did come through for those $20 tier patrons. You know what? Thanks. Thank you.

I'd come through for the $10,000 tier they got a real moaning Yeah, I do or you were moaning. I didn't hear it. I hear it Minnesota Jesse you said I want you to start with you because you know left me with baited breath. What were you looking up? So as you know I am obsessed with time and the concept of time, not even being a thing. And, um, in the, uh, on the website, the conversation, Vivian lamb wrote an article called how logic may prove time doesn't exist. And, um, as, as we've discussed on this show, times, the article starts out by saying like, you

know, modern physics suggests time's probably an illusion and that, you know, for one observer, you might be seeing the future. Another might be seeing the past. Time doesn't flow from past to future. As we experience it, it's, it's all perception, right? Right. Anyway, go back to 1908 when J.M.E. McTaggart, an English philosopher, published a paper arguing, and this is 1908, arguing that really time wasn't a thing,

and it was really hard to quantify. And so I wanna give you kind of the example that was used to set this whole thing up because this is what people are doing right now. They're using my Taggart stuff to kind of look at it, but from more of a logical rather than philosophical way. And so I'll just work with me here. So imagine I gave the two of you or listener at home or viewer.

Imagine I gave you a box of cards. Each card has an event on it. We can say that, you know, one card describes 2024 and one card is the death of queen Victoria. I want the nine 11 one. I want the nine 11 one. Sure. You will give you that one, right? One can be the solar eclipse.

That's going to happen in 2026. Right. One can be the solar eclipse that's gonna happen in 2026, right? The cards get all mixed up, and then you go through and reorder them in a way that you feel represents time. How would you do that? So what you would assume from oldest to newest? Okay. Yeah, like in a line left to right.

Alex, do you have any suggestions? Left to right. Yeah, okay. Or whoever, you know, you know whatever sure sure but I mean like yeah, that's that's the in your mind What you've created is called the B series You pick one card you place it on the table place it on the floor place on the desk Whatever then you take another card and then you compare it with the one that you already have Is it earlier if so you would put it to the left earlier? If so, you would put it to the left.

And if it's later, you would put it to the right. Right. Like that's, it makes perfect sense. In order. Example would be Queen Victoria and then to the right of that 2024 and then to the right of that solar eclipse, right. That kind of vibe. Right.

And you repeat the process until all the cards are on the table, desk, floor, whatever. That's kind of what you're going for. Yeah, like a left. It's right. Yeah, I'm trying to what I'm trying to. I'm trying to I'm trying to see if I can get ahead of you. I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this. Well, I'm interested. Don't worry. Don't worry.

We'll come. We'll arrive together again. Time is an illusion. Is like our our our consciousness is getting all these events at once. And we're just like, so seeing them and we want to. I'm sorry. Is that one of the cards? Like this is the thing, though, because he asked. Our consciousness is getting all these events at once and we're just like so seeing them and we assume One of the cards goes like this is the thing though because he asked the objective was time to create Time and as you said they're looking at it What you've created is static

It's a static set of events One once the cards are in place nothing about them changes at all mctaggart insists you cannot have time without change, which is the ultimate measure of time. According to physics, it's the rise of disorder, entropy in a closed system is time. A hot cup of coffee slowly cooling over time as entropy rises. That is how you can tell that time occurred, that coffee got cooling over time as entropy rises. That is how you can tell that time occurred. The coffee got colder over time, which is fascinating to think

about right now because space in with the most recent discoveries that are our universe being like weirdly growing in different directions throws the idea of entropy at the level. We understood it out the window because it doesn't fit. With the model that we understand. Yeah, it's like even a clock which is made for measuring time really just measures change. The tick is just change.

It's pendulum swinging and it's like cogs moving and it's just the change of air quotes time. But don't you have to observe the change to, for there to be change? That's what he's saying is you need to observe, something needs to, you can't just put stuff down on a, on a table and say this is time. You can't do that.

Okay, how about this then? There is an order of events is not time. How about a comic book? So if that's the case, what now? How about like a comic book so that it's made to be read? So like, if you wanna go to page whatever you go to this, and it's more like, it book so that it's made to be read. So like, if you want to go to page, whatever you go to this and it's more like, it's here. It's just here.

I guess it is static, but it's here. Okay, so this is, this would be the A category. So I'll get, so remember the original thing is you wanted to represent time. And if it doesn't change, it can't be time. So there's something called the A series. And in this one, what you do is instead of creating a timeline, you're creating piles, past, present, future. And what happens is you are moving present to past while moving future to present

at a constant rate. You're constantly doing that because the presence can keep moving and the future is approaching. So you are slowly moving things between these piles. Um, the thing about this one though, is that yeah, you're clearly moving things Yeah, you're clearly moving things and yeah, it's it's time is happening. But according to make tagger the A series is too circular. Your hand is moving cards from the left hand pile to the middle and then to the right or vice versa.

So have you ever set up for your past present future? And then what ends up happening is. In order to be able to do this, and this is where the circular comes in, you need to be in time to perform the action. So if you already have to be existing in time in order to create the changes, it's a circular way of thinking and it violates the logic. Like you haven't created time.

You're just existing in time going through motions, right? It's almost like you're you're more showing the your perception of time. You're dependent on your showing yours. Yeah, rather than time existing in fact, and that is another fallacy. It's another thing that's incorrect. So what this does, it brings us to today when you have these so-called A-theorists, which

are people who are trying to figure out how that time, sorry, the circular way of thinking may not actually be circular. And we can work with that. Or they're B-theorists and these people who are like, they have the timeline and they're like, look, maybe time is just a series of events. And that's the whole thing. There is no time, but it is a series of events. And that's how we market, right? And that's there. And then there's also see theorists now who go further and say that a line of cards doesn't have any direction. So literally, if you put a line of cards down, like you were doing before, you can look at it from right to left, left to right. You can look

at it top to bottom. You can look at it, like you can stack them all on top of each other if you want. Right. And there's like, yeah. And yeah, because there is no time. And so the idea that the year 2024 could go between the death of Queen Victoria and the 2026 solar eclipse. But maybe we're just so used to thinking of the death of Queen Victoria coming before 2026 that we don't even consider the other way around. And so the best way that they described it was think of it like planks on a fence. You can start from wherever you want and count those planks. Right, there is no order from what,

like sure someone might've installed the planks like one then another, but when you come later, you don't know what order those planks were installed in. You just see the planks and maybe that's the best way to approach it. So it's just everything is everything all the time, everything. And the only reason that it even we just don't know how to quantify it. But the only reason it even seems like anything to anyone

is because of who those people are and how they are able to perceive. It might be the way just our brains take reality and process it in a way we can understand it. Yeah, because that's the other part of it, too, is like we're not seeing reality. We're seeing what our brain is telling us is reality. We're experiencing what our brain tells us is time. The thing that passage of change.

Yeah. The thing that fucks me up about that. And this is like, you know, not anything new to us. But we were just talking about UAPs, right? And we were talking about John Oliver episode and all the things that we already know and how Grush

talks about them as like not necessarily not not extraterrestrial. the things that we already know, and how crush talks about them as like, not necessarily not really not extraterrestrial. So I think about like this, I think about like myself sitting at like a campfire. And we're sitting in the middle of, you know, I was just in Las Vegas, we're sitting in the middle of the desert. And we're sitting around a campfire.

And the fire's going. And we're listening to stuff, we're hearing like lizards out there. And they're sitting around a campfire and the fire's going and we're listening to stuff we're hearing like lizards out there and they're like small and they're running around through the bushes and there's a bird flying overhead that we can hear and it flies over and we see it and it lands and it's doing its own thing up in the air and there's like you know fucking whatever the fuck's going on over here a train going by in the background There's a fucking train the guy on the train doing his thing And there's all these people everywhere doing all these things all around us in 360 degrees and maybe underneath us There's a fucking guy on the other side of the earth taking a shit and his toilet on the other side of the planet or whatever

He's doing and we know about that guy because we understand where he is in relation to us but what if there's like a wilderness of like of perception around us as well where, you know, we're all in different perceptions of the universe? Like, what if there's a billion times as many more microphones? Yeah, I mean, I think we yeah. But I mean, like, it just it can be an earthly thing as well. Like before we even get out to what you're talking about, the perception of time between you and me and that shark that keeps showing up on Reddit. That's 367 years old.

That's been around since like the 1600s or whatever the hell that dude. His perception of existence is completely different. I would imagine even though he is a shark, but like, you know, what is 300 plus years of being a shark like compared to an average 80 ish for humans? You know what I mean? Like that dude is multi-generational for humans. And, you know, I think that's one of those things that you often see in sci-fi, where species or people that live forever are not in a hurry. They there's nothing to regard. They just exist. And time is the, usually they're like, I am the time Lord.

They like, yeah, time is not a thing for them. Time is another dimension. They've learned how to navigate. Exactly. And I think that's super interesting compared to, I think the reason why we're so focused on time is because we've got so little Of it in the grand scheme of the universe that we just like are constantly thinking about it when really what we're thinking about is a

Timeline and entropy and but not like what time is we're just like some things happened and some more things are gonna happen Oh that just happened like what is gonna happen tomorrow rather than like we don't have time to settle down and be like, what is the ethereal concept of existence? Like it's not a thing. Right. You like it's like the questions like the extrapolated question I have is like if this is true, like time isn't real. What is our so is our consciousness reliving time over and over again?

Like do we live a preliminary perception of what we perceive to be time? I think Alex is more right. And that we wouldn't understand even if we like we're in the wilderness and we like we can get glimpses of concepts, but we're still surrounded by a forest that's really hard to peer through. But dude, the real question is, what are I just don't want to go through the first 30 years of my life again. That's all.

What does it even mean to stop perceiving that linear flow as something that exists? Yeah. Do you even exist? That's something I feel like we're starting. Oh, yeah. But that gets to the minor breakthroughs we're having through all of science over the past few years, both quantum and outside of that with the CERN crashing things. It's just like we are learning on a subatomic level that, okay, yeah, time in like, relativity is utterly not it's nothing and meaningless like because quantum things can be the same no matter how far away they are apart.

Like the time does not matter to them. There's no time to send their signal to the other one before they're now the same spinning in the same direction as the other one you know the reason why we understand time on a personal level because we watch ourselves get older but that's not time that's just entropy and like cells degrading so at its core if you could prevent the cell degradation, then what is time then? If you're immortal, yeah, what is time? Like what I imagine. I mean, like if you shed your body and you become like a being of light, what is time then? But what if you just, what if you just physically stop yourselves for aging, but

you're still in your body? I imagine you would still experience time in a linear way. I think it would be, it would have to be a long societal change. Cause if we all just stopped aging. Right. We would continue to go through the motions of existence and things would happen. We'd mark dates and we do things, but it would take generations of people to be like, why even, why are we even doing this?

Like, why are we having another fourth of July? Like, what does it matter? Isn't that what we're already doing? Kinda. Yeah. Little bit. Like, what does it matter? Is that what we're already doing? Kind of. Yeah, a little bit. Like, are we aging? Haven't we already aged? Haven't we? Aren't we just something that aged?

Aren't we just part of one infinite moment that ate like that? That does it. You don't have that thought every fucking day of like, I try to consciously try to like perceive time moving in any way. But it's because like, well well if I break it down logically if time is moving forward then life is just a series of Infinite still moments that my brain is stringing together as like a thing that's smooth But I like you're already too late. Like that's the thing is like your eyes not even seeing the present dude No, like it takes milliseconds for you to process. So like everything is the yeah, you're always seeing the past

It takes milliseconds for you to process. So like everything is the past. Yeah, you're always seeing the past. Nothing is anything. Yeah, I know. If time doesn't exist, and everything's just there, nothing is anything, and everything's everything, even Neon Genesis Evangelion. But I don't wanna be like a red goop person,

you know what I mean? No, you are though. It's like we're all of this. It's more just that we're all the same, every literally, we're all of that. It's more just that we're all the same every literally. We're all literally the exact same thing. And I often wonder if like if time is like the thing where or rather our consciousness experiences infinite lifetimes

within this, you know, 80 years that we have here. I wonder if there's any minute differences like through just random little things that change is it always the same or is it chaos and Every time you go through consciousness cycle. It's like things can be anything I'm a young a podcast or this time, but I was a banker last time I mean like I don't I think the yeah, I think I was right. It's not a multiverse. Yeah, like everything's happening it's literally like

you are existing the exact same moment as Julius Caesar and like you are existing at the exact same moment as Julius Caesar and the exact same moment as John Smithington in the year 3000. If you think, yeah, if you think all layer, we're all layered on top of each other and there is no- Is time static then? Does that mean that that time has already happened? No, time is a quantitative measuring unit for-

So what you're saying is time doesn't exist. Time is a thing we created. Yeah, yeah, yes, it does exist. It just describes something different than what we're saying. So they describe the fourth dimension as time, but if time does not exist, does that mean the fourth dimension no longer exists or is the fourth dimension space time? Yeah, time. Like, I mean, I mean, the fourth dimension is like the nature of that thing that

You're talking to sure yeah At some point in our past a bunch of like You know thousands of years goes dude like the Sun goes up the Sun comes down That's a day And then they were like maybe we can measure the Sun like the Sun do this on the Sun dial and then over time we created time like we Out of things that were changing happening around us we created to measure

What goes on in our daily lives to measure our days to give us like we went from as we realize we remember this to Melissa We like to what is that like we got a really fine-tuned time. Did we even remember something that's? Right first we do a idea. I know right do we are even the same person that we were what I mean Is didn't know even remember stuff. Do we even have the concept of remembering stuff? Did we even realize that we had stuff to remember at first? You know, I mean there I will say eventually that became like our whole thing and my favorite history fact is that back in the day ancient Greek scholars were

Furious about writing they're like if kids these days You don't memorize things and they start writing. They'll never remember anything Say I love that. I think it's amazing. It's a very good fact humanity is the same no matter where we are Just I mean just think about the idea of not understanding time existing and Trying to figure out what remembering is it's not possible It's just what drives me crazy is that like what I want to know what the at that implies. What does it happen? No, but it's not what it does. We can never know. Again, it has demarcation things for us.

So if you think about a memory, your memory is the smell or the sight or the moment or the feeling. But then your follow-up is that thing that I remember happened in certain time. Yes. Yep. Because it allows us to sort of quantify things for ourselves. Star date.

But what it really does is it forces us to live within time. Linearly, yeah. Yeah. We have to perceive it as a sequence. But it's not how it should be, it just is what it is. If you were to ask Glippglorp... Our brain took the shape, yeah. Yeah, if you were to ask Alpha Centauri Glippglorp,

I guarantee he'd have a different concept of what time is. I'm just going to extrapolate onto something like, you know, like a lot of when people are slowly passing and they start seeing family members is very common amongst people who are passing. What if it's their consciousness just slipping back, back and forth, back and forth until there's no more time. Even if it's not as in depth as that, even if it's just endorphins or something flooding your brain to make you feel good before you die the concept that it

Pulls things from your brains like the image of your parents or something from when they were younger that you would have only remembered Talking to them. Yeah, that is it's all up there. So why? Don't you think about that all the time? Right? Like, there's a lot of like crazy stuff that goes on with project a hallucination when we want, you know, and that's your that's your brain. And your brain is doing all sorts of crazy shit that we barely even touch. We don't think about that. I know we don't find I think we're gonna find that the actual secrets of

the universe, that if they ever exist are like at the nexus, not just of like math and like existence and stuff like that, but also like imagination and language and like magic and stuff like that. And like what what you can do in terms of control and stuff because like, like the thing that you'll make the thing I'll just make the phrase perception is reality. Like, make more sense. If you think about perception as a moment measured in like a moment of entropy measured by a system

that the moment of entropy created and the moment that it, if time doesn't exist it just perceives a moment in a linear way instantly and that's all we are. Like what the hell is language to that moment? How does language work? There's some sort of divinity to it. There's some sort of, not something scientific

as we know it, but something that's scientific, but beyond what we can even comprehend as a quantity or an idea. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's an issue of like we have to, you know, conscious looking at like physics, physics, as we understand them, something that was such a solid brick we learn falls apart, the smaller you smaller and smaller you go you go, you know, unlike I want to go macro. Why does it go bigger than us? Like what changes?

Not just his exchange like is just the moment noticing itself. We are the universe experiencing itself. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine being a universal consciousness, so like, you know, everything, everything's you are like, there's nothing there to experience. How are you going to experience it? Then you're going to have to break yourself up and make yourself forget. But I mean, that's a theory, though, dude. That is 100 percent. I know the theory of like universal consciousness. Like if there's a universe consciousness, then every one of us is a part of it.

Experiencing something for the universe. Yeah, that is a theory that exists. Yeah, and I mean, it's a human scale. And so we're like reporting back at the end, like, yeah, so that was an experience, and the universe is like, cool, cool, thanks. We're not even reporting back. It just happens. The fact that we see it at all, the fact that we perceive it once,

it's a joke, it's not anything, it just happened. All of it perceive it once. It's it's a joke. It's not anything. It just happened. All of it happened at once. Sure. It's nothing. It's nothing. It's everything.

There's some sort of like solace I find in that, though. There's something about being able to not understand reality as much as it drives me crazy. Also gives me comfort of like this. There's things that like we just don't understand. And we will one day.

It's not maybe it's not like something that's nothing magic, but like this is beyond our understanding. It might as well be. But it would. It sounds slightly insane to say it, but like it begins at the idea of what you were talking about. Not being like you can't control it. We can't like it's why worry about it. Why stress about it. But then if

you keep going down that that path, eventually it leads to like, all right, well, if you can't control this thing, then it can't get to you. And if it can't get to you, then you block up, like you free yourself from that. And eventually you're literally at like matrix levels where it's like, you don't need to dodge the bullets. You can just stop them. Yeah, because you're literally at like Matrix levels where it's like you don't need to dodge the bullets You could just stop them. Yeah, because you're literally just like and I think that's the process of yourself from time Which is just like I don't I don't exist It's impossible in the world. We live in mind you might just like you know Yeah, but maybe it's the answer like

What is time bro like who knows we, but maybe it's the afterlife. Like, what is time, bro? Like, who knows? We'll never know. It's amazing how those kinds of concepts, even at a higher level, always come back to, the point is to just live in the now because that's all that's real. All that's real is right now.

The seconds that Jesse just talked, they're not real. And like, you process them as real. I've already forgotten them. They're not real. You remember them as real, but they're not here now. They're not, it's like, and that's what's frustrating about time is like, but I'm. And that's the biggest, I think, downfall for most people is the moment happened.

It's over and I'm going to stress and be upset about it and be furious about it. And I'm going to think about it and I'm going to do something stupid about it. When in reality it's like that moment happened. There was nothing you could have done to stop that in that moment you have to let yourself go of that because it's gone it like passed that is the most freeing thing i think to learn growing up is the idea of like you actually can control so very little in your life but you can control how you react to how life happens and your reaction based on just this logic is like, yo, let that shit go. Like let it do each other.

Enjoy life into the ether because it is it's gone. It is literally gone. You're not going back. There's no time machine. Taste some chorizo, bro. Have a fucking blast of gin. Yeah, vibe out. That's that's what I was like when I said I like tan shit

It's like the idea time not being existing beyond like the implications of living your life It's also fucking cool like I don't explain it. It's just like reality is fucking wild It's impossible fact that doesn't make any that there is Reality right yeah, he's trippy as shit like Then what if we're just a simulation? You know, there's that. Doesn't matter. Trippy as hell. Yeah. Like, I can't believe it exists.

I can't, you know, I'd be a part of it. Descartes. Is that wild? Yeah. There's a simulation that can give me emotions. That's fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah. How do you how do you follow this story? I got I know. What do you got, Alex? I was going to end it there. I just said I'm fine with that. You know, I have nothing that's worth talking about after that. I know what do you got Alex? I was there

I have nothing that's worth talking about after that we talked about everything just now yeah, no that was like Everything that ever existed we just talked about it just now yeah, yeah, and I can't wait to see what more things we discover I think we solved it experiment. I think we solved the whole day We fit we solved zodiac and we solved reality. Yeah, dude Get fucked. This is the best You just got a the Martian your way through life. Yeah, and be good to everybody be one step at a time Minnesota what is it 177 77? Yeah, go done mini 177 crew. I was there. What's up? Let's up. We're there. We're changed people now now we're all changed people we'll see you next week thank you so much for your patreon.com slash jilluminaughtic pod goodbye everybody bye

mmm mmm hello everybody, welcome back my little children of starrysod 178 I can't fight you guys cause I'm chewing on candy this is terrible I gave you a countdown boy I gave you one alright it's delicious British candy I couldn't help it to those who can actually see the video you guys like my new little background it's a birthday present from some of my friends.

Little alien guy? It's a little cow being abducted by a UFO. That's your dream. That's a solid dream. That's coming out of, you wish you were that cow. Touching your head because it's coming, kind of coming out of your head is your dream. It is, it is.

It's unfortunate. It is more of my mind's creation than reality. Shout outs to anybody who went into a store and purchased that for you and like got it like mounted or whatever they did on the wall like that. That's great. That looks fantastic. I just want to say, I think we have the best backgrounds

in podcasting. Alex has a dragon head in the background with like weird crafties. I love that. Yeah. Mathis has his UFO thing. I literally have a sign that says fuck to death. Yeah, that's true

We are we are doing it you can't do it right comic collection to tell that I have a serious problem It's nice. It just seems like a sensibly size Too far Ladies don't haven't been in that room. This man has a comic obsession. There is two walls I just read a lot filled with comics I've read them for a long time and so naturally after a while you tend to they tend to pile up. That's all cool I think that's like not this essence games collection Yeah, it's the same thing here and I have another whole ass room with the collection of like SNES stuff

And I have a love that CRT TV all set up I was playing I was playing a link to the past last night actually hanging out my cat. Yo, yo Yeah, I love your little library of comics. So many. If you ever... I know I can reach out to you and be like, I have a comic question. You're either going to know or even own the comic of what I'm asking.

If any mutual out there wants to come read some comic books, please, it will make me feel better about my life choices. So if you're my mutual and you follow us on Patreon and you're listening to this, call me that that's gonna be a patreon new goals a new comic book podcast. Would you open a comic shop Alex? Would I? Yeah, I think I would be great at it. Oh my god, what if we open one and then we have a podcast place

in the back or we do the show dude. It's not a comic book shop in studio combo. That's kind of coffee coffee action Maybe yeah live shows there. Yes, don't bring the coffee near the comics But well that sounds like it's so expensive to do but God that would be a movie I'm just saying could we change to move to LA that would move me to LA. I don't know that we need Man, I'm just saying could we Change the ridiculous $10,000 thing? Yeah.

Instead of Jesse believing your nonsense, it's like you have paid in to the greatest comic book shop, Chiluminati podcast center ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're you're you're tripping into a dream. The Chiluminati, it's just called Chiluminati is really what it is, because that's a great name for a shop that sells like comic books and has podcasts in the back. And like, maybe you can do your laundry there. Maybe there's a coffee counter. I don't know. Something like that. We need to become millionaires. Our ideas are good. We're good. And sound. And we'd have to have millions because I don't know if we'd make rent.

That's what I'm like right now. I'm already kind of just Like, you know, I make rent, you know, it's good. I say we have the money. The laundromat still. If you paid your laundry every time, you're you're you're a real one. I did that for the first six months. I was living out here like you just got to sometimes you just got to. I love you. A little chaluminati shop. Maybe not impossible in another five or 10 years.

We'll see. We'll see. You got to keep on the show a little bit. I have I have a story from our UFOs that was posted today and I thought was just so good that real quick, real quick before our UFOs. OK, we have to tell Mathis this because it's so disappointing. We went to do another podcast that Alex and I do at Star Wars Day. We went to a bookshop. I did a whole podcast. That was so much fun.

But next door to the place was a coffee shop themed around Sasquatch. First of all, shout out Golden Apple Comics. Second of all, we're not gonna mention the name of this coffee shop, but it is themed for Sasquatch. Yeah, and went inside, many coffees, and one of them was called a cryptid coffee. Cryptid latte? Yeah, it was a latte. It was cryptid latte. I was so excited. I was like, what is in the cryptid latte?

Literally, the dude just goes, food coloring. He was like, he looked right. He looked Jesse right in the eyes, like sweetly and was like, just food coloring. Oh, I was so upset. That's so sad, bro. Yeah, it sucks. You got to do something special, like a special blend or a little bit of a flavor mix food. I do.

I do want to say that it hurt my brain to go into Golden Apple after so long. I haven't been there. I go to the comic book instead. I don't it's not a rivalry thing. It's just which one is closer to my house thing. Yeah, convenience. But it broke my brain because I first of all, it used to be a lot larger in a time when people actually did buy print magazines

in Los Angeles. It was like double the size that it was that is now. But the thing that was fucked up was that like, they they alphabetize everything together, like all the comics together. Not genre separate or? Like Marvel, DC, independent comics, just A to Z, which like you gotta respect in a way, right? Like you gotta respect that from like, if I was like a ancient librarian,

I would be all about that. If I would understand. Before like a browsing standpoint, that makes it so much more difficult. It just messes me up because like those comic publishers name their comics in a way that makes them easy to peruse a lot of the time, at least a little bit. And they just it just looks wrong. And if you want to know what

it's like to be in a nice clean, curated comic book shop, come to my house mutuals come to my house. Please make you a reading list. Please tell me what you want to know about and I'll teach you. What if it was a coffee place that just had comics? You're trying to help me monetize my giant comic book collection? I'm just, you know, I'm putting out, I'm not putting out ideas. Is it the biggest one that you've seen in real life? Collection of comics?

Yeah, by far, by far. Everybody's like, COVID is wild, man. COVID was a wild thing. That's all I'm saying. I mean, it was it was very well. It's like when the bulk of my game, my PC game collection really grew. Yeah, absolutely. So what happened on our UFOs? Okay. This one's called My Brother-in-law Just Experienced Contact of the Third Kind. Okay. This is by Sonic do scar. My brother in law was on his way to Joshua Tree National Park, California recently, and finally mustered up the courage to speak about this to my husband and I tonight when he came over to drop

something off to my husband. He hesitated because he was scared that we'd think he was crazy or making things up. But he's honestly never the person to lie. He's the most trustworthy, the most trustworthy person. And in all of the time I have known him, he has never once kept anything from my husband and I nor told any lies. And he has no reason to. He was genuinely so freaked out to his core. And we know he's telling the truth. He's never had this look on his

face before. He was driving alone in his car to go star gaze late at night, late at nighttime. He's an astronomy buff. When everything flashed, when everything flashed, and he saw a very close, super bright white light hovering maybe 200 feet in front of his car. He slowed down. And again, this is in Joshua tree, which is a particularly flat sort of desolate, Martian looking desert with those Joshua trees everywhere. And as he got

closer, he realized what looked to be a metallic cigar shaped object. Once he speeded past it, he noticed that it began to slowly follow him from his rearview mirror stopping at times before zigzagging closer and closer as if it were stalking him like prey slowly getting ready to pounce. This reminded me I had a fucking UFO dream last night and it was about a fucking tic tac UFO. Did you just like pull this like hold your brain just now? You just like you just like reminded me because I woke up today. Well, the thing I remember about it is it wasn't smooth.

The plating was like layered. It was like a layered metal plating across the like Howells Moving Castle. Nothing like nothing like how they actually are described. It just felt like, yeah, weird, like layered metal hammered chunk, like hammered tin or like Disney's Avengers. More hammered tin. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, very interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting. But yeah, completely like has nothing to

do with how tic tacs usually look what will tell it save the dream if you're thinking of it. So you don't forget. I mean, I remember that's pretty, that's pretty much it. But yeah, good. I was a Joshua tree. And there I was there. I was playing a video game last night, so that's probably why. Oh, yeah. He said that he felt super freaked out at this point and everything in his car suddenly felt charged with a huge amount of static electricity out of left field. All of his hair was sticking up, head, arms, entire body, and when he would touch his dashboard or other parts of the car, he would get shocked.

He said he felt like he was being watched and followed. He'd never been so scared in his life. And he immediately knew that this was not something of this earth. He went from full on non believer to legitimately believing that he was going to get abducted, but managed to convince himself that he was crazy during the encounter. It was as if an energy got lassoed onto his car and felt his car shaking and almost getting pulled towards the hovering object. He was struggling to get his car to move fast enough, but he was finally able to get it to stop acting weird.

This is when he floored the pedal and went Autobahn speeds out of there. For a little bit of context for the casual reader who does not know, and this is just Alex talking now, hello. The Autobahn is a freeway that doesn't through urban legend does not have a speed limit. The static electricity flowing through his entire car then slowly subsided. It's in Germany. All night. He still felt he was being followed and watched even with the craft far out of sight and long gone. I went there for a month when I was 18 because my girlfriend was an exchange student. When he

arrived back home, his car began locking and unlocking itself throughout the night in his garage, making the lock, honk and unlock honk for hours. I got an ear infection that almost caused me permanent deafness. And I came home after a month on New Year's Day. It was one of the worst months of my life. His keys were literally on his bedside table and he was not pressing it. He went to investigate and could actually hear and see the door locks

clicking up and down. It got to the point where he bent down and checked under and around his car for any possible tracking devices. Nothing. This girl also went on a class trip and broke up with me via text and then left me on read for the entire class trip and then her mom came and told me.

His car began doing the same thing suddenly when he was at our place telling us about it. My husband got so freaked out that he tried to end the topic of conversation. Now he's asleep and I am unable to. This freaked me out to the core and we now genuinely believe that my brother-in-law is currently being monitored by whatever it was he encountered that night. Also, her dad had cheated on her mom recently and so he was downstairs with a parrot named Jacob and so it was a it was a

weird situation in the house. He's too terrified to report as of right now. We're trying to get him to. It all happened so fast that he did not get any video evidence. He said we was on fight or flight mode and that he is still traumatized from that. We told him we knew he was telling the truth and believed him. He sighed with relief. But by the end of his story, his face was pale and he looked like he had the life completely drained out of him.

My husband and I also saw a bunch of fireballs hovering in the sky a few months back and have not seen that or been able to explain it since either. And I don't know if you guys know this, but if you go to the doctor in Germany, you know, they're not going to speak English probably, which is probably a scarier thing than you imagine. And when you, especially when you're 17, like me, uh, anyway, I don't know what you even want to say or do, I guess, other than tell the story.

And I tell you that this is all very super real and it's very horrifying. He's telling the truth. It's time for disclosure. That's where the message actually ends. But I want to just continue and read and edit here real quick because I thought. I was going to say, what are the comments on that? So edit one. It's sad to see a lot of the people in these comments telling me that this is just some

made up story. It sounds like fan fiction just because it's written well. Your words. It goes to show how society is taking steps back when people are more likely inclined to believe someone with less literacy. I am a writer. It is my writing style. I know how to organize my sentences.

You people in specific saying these things are the reason why more people don't come forward with their stories. This is written too well. It must be fake. Do you realize how horrifically dumb that sounds? I don't expect everyone to believe me, but I swear by all that I have that this story is true. It did happen, and I am also going to be able to be... I'm also going to be posting this in other subs that I did not know existed until reading the comments. And then edit number two. Thank you so much for those who didn't dismiss my brother-in-law's story. It truly brings me hope again.

I'm going to continue to share this story and get it out there. As for his reporting the encounter, he's unsure about what he wants to do yet. I'm gathering as the hours go by that he may possibly have some sort of trauma from this experience. I don't wanna push him to do anything.

So I'll let him make that decision on his own. As for the dash cam footage, I'll do my best to grab that from him and share it. I didn't expect this post to blow up, yada yada yada. No word back yet from OP about that footage. But this is young. This is from today. So pretty interesting. The only thing I have a deline that makes me go huh, is that he doesn't want to share it, but she's willing to like blast it

on Reddit everywhere. And if she gets the footage, you know, putting that out on out there feels like the opposite of well, I mean, at least he doesn't have to relive it in that case, right? Sure. Just looking at evidence. And honestly, don't get me wrong. Yeah. And honestly, like I just the thing I appreciate about this story that was fun for me is that it's just like a full on one. Like they didn't try to write like a like, more human, like less cinematic one. This is like if you imagine

an alien showing up behind you and trying to lasso you with a with a tractor beam, this is exactly what it would be like, which is awesome. You know what I mean? Like if that happens, it's very, very cool sounding. Like it's interesting. And again, it's it did bring me back to Betty and Barney Hill when they are car came back and they like the sister came over with the compass and put it on and like it would just spin because it was like a little like static charge. But yeah, sorry. Go ahead, Jesse. You were really quickly just want to say you can attack things and discredit things based on like what it is. But don't do it on the quality of the text, because this is this is what I deal with when I go through it all the time. And I saved this from last night because even though there's nothing to with us it was hilarious and I was like, oh my god an actual post

Where someone's complaining about like the unamericaness of some people in this country? Another they have a favorite president. I'm not gonna get into that. But anyway, this person says those sites that prompt their lazy un-un space-merican-god-space-less imbeciles spelled e-m-b-a-s-e-l-s what once only to be taking to be taking care of we the people will enjoy sending themselves to a constitutional Re-education 101 that's a post someone made and I just want to let you know Then I feel like is what we're doing when people are like you write like a book I'm like, no, no that person writes like a person who like learned to write

Is your favorite president Andrew Jackson? Is that what you were going to say? That's what I was going to say. Andrew said my second guess was going to be Biff Tannen. Is that right? I think actually President Biff Tannen. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's wild. And I agree. It's just like and also it's impressive that that man or woman who ever wrote that comment could write it like that with a literal phone that is a computer that will go out of its way to fix. Auto correct.

You're like, you know, it's funny. How did that happen? You know, it's funny, too, is like, you can go after this guy for being like erudite in his writing or like have like good syntax. Or maybe it's just a way to make him feel bad because you can't read what he wrote, you know? But at the same time, you turn around and you come to shows like this one, uh, where

another guy who is just a guy, me or Mathis or Jesse, like takes the time to write out like as beautifully and as eloquently as we can write out an outline to like tell you a story that you then I assume are listening to because you want to know what happened. And you're respecting it because it's easier to listen to and better written. So what do you what is the what is the what is the logic there other than that you feel dumb because people are left to reading it in their own heads and giving it The connotation and intonation that they think it has when it does it it's like almost goes in my topic I'm very I'm very hard

Let me let me just let me break that mine's a very quick one. It's a classic throwback. This is a goal a security cam video Ghost thing that is actually very impressive. So this is coming from a Texas hotel It's an old hotel called the Jefferson Hotel and this is on their YouTube channel from two weeks ago. Is the Jefferson in? San Antonio Think so me check is this the one that is famous because the Roughriders stayed there No, I that's a different one. I stayed in that one. Uh, let's see. Did Jefferson Hotel, Texas, sorry, not the DC one, there's multiple. Historic Jefferson is in Austin, Texas. Austin, okay.

Austin, Texas. Okay, so I'm going to send you guys a link to the video in the chat here. And what we're seeing here, they just post it and there's, they say it's poltergeist activity and disembodied voice. He's going to see a security guy working on something late at night and then he hears what he thinks, he says his footsteps and then you're gonna hear a voice. It's all gonna happen within 11 seconds of the video.

So just about, so here is the link. Where's that link? There it is, okay. I don't know what he's working on. Okay, so he's like at his desk here. It looks like he's working on like an old timey robot. What? Okay, so yeah, he's working on something. His reaction is the best.

His reaction is so realistic. Like just here's a system. So so basically he's working on something that looks like I don't know one of those batteries not included little robot droids and he's sitting at a desk and there's a bunch of equipment on that desk. And one of the things on the desk appears to be either a tube of cock or bottle of glue, a bottle of glue. And there's a noise like, oh, and then the bottle of glue falls over. And that's really all you can see. Yeah, it sounds like hello or some other word, but it's really like it's too muddled to make it out for sure.

Whatever it sounds like, it might be saying it sounds like a little kid voice. And again, he turned he says what he heard footsteps in the hallway. Maybe that's why he was there. Yeah, that's exactly why he turns around turned he says what he heard footsteps in the hallway and maybe that's why he looks there yeah exactly why he turns around because he said he heard footsteps in the hallway and went to go check there was nobody there because he's overnight security right now this is like late at night the reaction is million dollars like yeah the reaction is a legit I like that is how I react to things where I if something weird happens instead of freak out. I just stare it like Yeah, and his head turned to be like what he froze for like three seconds He slowly turned his head and then he slowly got up and like looking around and it's the most realistic reaction

like something like this happening that I've ever seen on camera the guys just like The only the only kind of problem I have with this, the only thing that works against it for me is number one, like I could fake this very easily. Yep. The glue camera. But also, like every other video on this YouTube channel is evidence of a ghost also for three. I have not looked at it. in its videos. So honestly, like, I was talking about today when Dodger was on the show about the nukes top five test where you just want to show somebody like a middle of the road sort of like horror clips channel to see how they react and see what kind of Jedi they are. But like, the thing that's

so funny is like the biggest convincer for me for like paranormal footage that's like from YouTube is when the channel is like not a Haunting channel like when it's not a haunting channel when there's like a thousand videos on the channel of somebody Driving around America and one time in the woods. They saw fucking ghost that shit is scary as fuck I will say ten times more scary to this channel's credit Is it seems like it's very irregular. Like the last video was four months ago.

Then it was six, then seven. Then it goes. They're definitely not like trying to hit an SEO. They're not a YouTuber. Yeah, no. Yeah. And there's the oldest one is three years ago. And that's right down to the bottom.

There's not that many videos. So it's so it's not something they're like pumping out like PR. It seems like it's just whenever something weird happens on their camera footage, they throw it out there. But it is a channel exclusively of weird shit that's has supposedly happened in their own and old hotels are basically the original ghost YouTubers anyway. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So that was a great little is like one of the better ghost videos I've seen in a long, long time. And that guy's reaction really it's a reaction a whole Percent and if you guys can see me acting all weird right now I just if in the video version of this my neck is just killing me. I'm so sorry. I'm gonna be okay Don't worry. We're just creaky old tree men now. It's okay We're gonna make it All right, Jesse take it out of here, okay, what you've got so

Yeah, all right, Jesse. Take us out of here. Okay, what you've got so This this is an article by Thomas Hendrix that is in relation to something called Catastrophizing and why people do it and I love this article. I'm just gonna like use quotes from it all the time I think it's so neat People with high anxiety do all the time So catastrophizing is the act of fixating on the worst possible outcome in a situation, even when that outcome is extremely unlikely. Now this isn't something that is like anxiety or depression. Like this is something that most people, I would say all, but I can't say that for sure.

Most people in their lives, this will happen to you and It's something you can't really control Maybe you can I don't know that's kind of the articles getting at so I wonder if it's like you know part of it is Like an evolutionary thing of like oh alive, so we always are thinking of the worst But now we live in a society where like that aspect isn't needed, but it's not evolved out of our brains yet So it's still all cycle. It's this article is great. I'm just going to like, this is really cool.

So the author writes that his brother and wife had separated and that his father tried calling, but when his brother didn't pick up, the father convinced himself that the son killed himself when really he was just out with friends, right? Yeah. One of the most common things on the internet today is people to post on Reddit,

which we're just talking about my girlfriend or my boyfriend went out to the club with their friends and I just know they're cheating. Right? Oh, yep. Yep. And they're like ditch him, hurt him. Yeah. And everyone's like, Oh, what a scumbag. And yeah, rather than like have a conversation, you know, um, psychologists studying this topic, emphasize techniques to control our negative thought spirals on things like this. We're told to acknowledge that bad things do happen, but to inquire into their likelihood. We should make ourselves consider a variety of outcomes in the situation, not just the one that depresses us. We should stay specific and try to avoid generalizing or exaggerating.

We should stay in the present as much as possible and avoid dramatic leaps into the future or the past. Sometimes we should just tell ourselves, stop. So, you know, maybe exercise or sleep or whatever, attend to other body needs. But like, why do we do this? By preparing ourselves for the worst, Thomas Hendricks writes. By preparing ourselves for the worst, even if it's in some far-fetched fantasy, we ready our psyche for the shock that is to come. When those negative expectations aren't fulfilled, we experience a mild satisfaction, a win of sorts. When they do, we, you know, like

great example is when they do happen, perhaps the dreaded fourth quarter collapse of our favorite sports team, we've already gone public with the prediction and the prerequisite emotions. So you're like, I knew I knew this was going to happen. Yeah, you've already done it. You've gone through it. And so and so it lessens the impact on it. You're not blindsided because you made the hot guess that like I knew that they were cheating on me. I knew he died. Oh, like you're in there already. And if you if it doesn't happen, it's a win.

Most things interesting. Oh, yeah. Or if it doesn't happen, you obsess over it until you self-fulfill it somehow, I feel like is another way I mean. But I think that's more of the like anxiety or like it's more of a psychosis that actually. Yeah. Where if you obsess over it, like most people, they'll have a thing, anxiety or like it's more the psychosis part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Where if you obsess over it, like most people they'll have a thing, they'll be an outcome and then they're moving on.

And there are many people though that like it's still a thing that is, you know, a lot of people who get obsessed, like what is your partner doing? It's cause a previous trauma affected them in such a way that they, that's all I can think about. It's like, what is my partner doing? And so I think that's interesting. But, um, most things we do connect to our understanding of our own identity. Hendrix writes worrying and complaining are at one level ways of drawing attention to the self and secretly asking for support.

How does this translate to people who make crazy predictions in the such things we've talked about on this podcast? Um, if you're talking about the end of the world or the collapse of the economy or whatever, we tend to think of catastrophizes as these like lone malcontents. But typically they issue their warnings to others, ideally so that they then receive support from people thinking like, yeah, no, you got, I'm with you, I'm with you. And if the worst does occur, they want to be remembered as someone who was ahead of the curve and they predicted the things that transpired. Really, it's just people looking to establish bonds with like-minded thinkers in these scenarios. And what if a group, you know, developed around, and this is actually really funny. I love

this, this bit. What if a group developed around the concern of vaccinations and how they might be dangerous to children? Right. That might lead to meetings that share information and plan strategies and formal ties, including friendships might develop. The group might formalize and spread its influence. Leadership positions might occur. And then other recognition. The thing that we kind of all want comes from that. And then he goes on to say what we had a whole episode on it. It somehow leads to project 2025. Yeah, what happens to groups that their direst predictions, you know, the end of civilization fail to occur? As Leon Festinger and his colleagues argued in a classic book, the failure prophecy

leads to cognitive dissonance, which we talked about. The misalignment of cherished beliefs. That said, humans were far too ingenious to be trapped by logic. Just because we predicted a thing and it didn't occur doesn't mean it won't occur, right? That's why we say things like a divorce that happens 20 years later is still a divorce. A heart attack can still be a heart attack waiting to happen. And so we just, we set ourselves up to lessen pain basically. And that's what this is.

And we're like too tough, we're like too hard to like just be real about it. So we just like kind of do it in like a casual way so that we don't have to like admit we're scared really. Yeah. And what it does a lot of the time, you take your fears, you make them public. And then other people have the same fears. Now you have a friend, you have like,

oh, we can talk about this and it makes you feel better. It's the same reason why a lot of people are most dangerous thing about the internet right there. Yeah. Dude, I was going to literally say, it's one of the greatest and most dangerous things about the internet is that people who were in like, say like, you know, hyper anime lovers, like, you know, time where the Internet didn't exist and it came to and you finally find other people that, you know, you didn't grow up around sick, but also it amplifies echo chambers on all sides where you can just fall into a hole of just yes men and not realizing that's what you're surrounded by. and not realizing that's what you're surrounded by. Yeah, I mean, it's- Look at every canceled celebrity who like goes away

and like gets new friends that like suddenly they turn alt right or some weird thing. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah, I mean, it's, everything that you see online, especially like QAnon stuff, is people had some ideas, they had some worries, they were freaking out about like, we don't like this.

And then more people jumped in and more people jumped in. And then suddenly they're reading codes in messages from random and they're just completely bought in to the point where you're like, do you not understand how absolutely crazy that is? But they don't because this is the first time they felt respected and the things that they have concerns over are being addressed. Yeah. And, and it's comforting to people in a way that I don't think we ever think about. And so instead of just being like, that person's crazy. It's like that person was just like in need of some support and we all failed

that person and that person found support and a place they shouldn't have. And that's what makes it extremely easy. It's like court a lot of times because they're vulnerable. And that goes to that cult thing where like the, the other part of it is, you know, the cult always has the answer. And so they do the opposite of what you should do and they have the answer and then they look for evidence that the answer is correct and confirm it instead of doing the other way around of looking at all the evidence, everything, and then looking at that and coming to a conclusion.

But if you already have the answer, then you can hold on to that in a comfort, secure way. And you can look for reasons, no matter how out there or like, you know, one out of a million or whatever it is, like they are. And that goes into the cult mentality. And I feel like that's a key moment in switching from, you know, community cult is when that becomes your thought process instead of critical. It's like a retreat from reality. Because reality is scary.

Yeah. And it's core. We all stress over stuff. All of us. And rather than yeah, rather than sitting there and stewing on it, if you can like let that out in some way like go for a walk like close your eye like chill instead of stressing let me recommend also like punk rock music not even necessarily chill things yeah yeah yeah yeah ways to box

stress yeah yeah i'm like doing my thing and like playing playing through Lincoln Park was like 14 year old me like Taking over my body and just being like Raging so hard like other ways. There's other ways it feels different. I've got me through a breakup. I'm just letting you know That's so funny Lincoln Park got me through a breakup. Oh hell. Yeah, bro. Which one meteora hybrid theory hybrid first Incredible life, man Yeah, bro. Which one? Meteora, hybrid theory, hybrid theory. All of them. Hybrid. Yeah, the first. I read it. Incredible. Life, man.

What a ride. Just enjoy it. That's all. Don't don't don't. You don't need to look for answers. Man, it's just that many so's are deep. Deep in the real. These last couple of ones have been pretty serious. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of cool fucking reality shaking scientific discoveries have happened to. Science rules, man. It's cool.

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