Citation Needed - Marie Curie

Episode Date: September 20, 2017

Marie Skłodowska Curie (/ˈkjʊri, kjʊˈriː/;[2] French: [kyʁi]; Polish: [kʲiˈri]; 7 November 1867 – 4 July 1934; born Maria Salomea Skłodowska; [ˈmarja salɔˈmɛa skwɔˈdɔfska]...) was a Polish and naturalized-French physicist and chemist who conducted pioneering research on radioactivity. She was the first woman to win a Nobel Prize, the first person and only woman to win twice, the only person to win a Nobel Prize in two different sciences, and was part of the Curie family legacy of five Nobel Prizes. She was also the first woman to become a professor at the University of Paris, and in 1995 became the first woman to be entombed on her own merits in the Panthéon in Paris.   Our theme song was written and performed by Anna Bosnick. If you’d like to support the show on a per episode basis, you can find our Patreon page here.  Be sure to check our website for more details.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I just worry about tokenism as a whole, you know? I'm telling you, dude, you worry too much. I know. No, I get it. I get it. But look, we have a smart science-minded audience and this is our first episode about a woman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:15 So why not Marie Curie? They, it's just, you know, look, dude, we're talking about a scientist and inventor fascinating life that not a lot of people know about it. I know I just wonder Look, you know, I just wonder if you know Eli and Tom are gonna actually be able to you know It's a Marie-Kery and I am also Mary Carrie And I am also Mary Carey. I see Marie, dust that blood come from my fridge or my eyeballs.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Oh, for who knows Mary, who knows? You might have a point, Cecil. But Johnna! Clever version of Hello! Hahaha! Oh, sorry. What's Elvish for Hello, I know it's Elvish. I don't speak dork, whatever that is. Welcome to Citation Needed! The podcast we choose a subject, read a single article about it on Wikipedia
Starting point is 00:01:40 and pretend we're experts. Because this is the internet, and that's how it works now. I'm Tom, and I'll be leading this sausage fest, but I can't do it without the meat heads involved. First on the girl tonight, a slow-cooked, brought worse than vegan tofu loaf, Noah and heat. Yeah, it's right, my meat is hard to beat.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Or at least she's usually unwilling. It's one of the, I think I like the former. I am also having a brat worst penis that I refer to as a lady. I'm not being vegan to do that. That was the order he said to me. He said Noah and he. Vito.
Starting point is 00:02:22 And also joining us tonight and ask your Meyer that was dropped out of barbershop floor and the mini pig in a blanket that nobody wanted. Eli and Seasals. Wait. Tom, I'll have you know that much like Pics in a blanket, I find that if someone is desperate enough, they'll give it a try. And you often get passed around at a party, but at least proud of what they did afterwards. Very so.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Not even his parents actually. So yeah. Oh, fantastic. And before we just send into the flowery, sent it, Lady Nis that is this week's episode and the septic tank that will be our attempts to make it funny, I want to take a moment to thank our patrons. You'd like to learn how to join their ranks, Be sure to stick around to the end of the show. Unless, of course, you promise your wife or girlfriend that she would just give this
Starting point is 00:03:09 episode a try because you promise they'll be better. This show is like anal. This is basically anal. In any case, you should pledge now before you start dividing up your stuff. The anal of pie also invest in loom. We'll stand out of the way? Tell us Eli. What person plays thing concept phenomenon or event? Will we be talking about today? Well, Tom, as you've already subtly hinted, we'll be talking about Marie Curie, scientist, inventor, and lady person. And Eli, you pick this topic in the desperate hope that people will forget how many penises are on this podcast. Four and a half the answer is four and a half.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Anyway, are you ready to give this feminist icon the respect she deserves? No, Tom, I'm not because this is citation needed. Gonna make fun of names and pretend to be a pervert. Our show works all pretend to be a smoker. Yeah. Thank you Noah in it to win it. All right. All right. So tell us Eli who was Marie Curry? Well Tom, she wasn't what? What? Good night everybody. I'm out. I mean,
Starting point is 00:04:13 she wasn't born Marie Curie. She was born Maria Salomea Sklo Dowska, which is Polish for clothes in the dark. I'm really glad this is taking on such a classy angle. This is great. Hey, space dark, guys. I have no idea what people were expecting Tom. We did an episode of our comedy show about the Donner Party. That is a fair assessment, continue. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:04:38 So, Nizel for Rizel, as she was known, was born on November 7th. I don't think 1867. I don't think you're doing the, the, the isle thing, right? It's not even close, nope. Oh, Rizzle Heath, Rizzle, then why did that guy look like Snoop Dogg? Let me pay him 40 bucks for lessons. She was the fifth and youngest of two teachers, Brana Slawa and Wattislaw Sklau.
Starting point is 00:05:01 You are killing these kids. Thank you. Who passed along to their young daughter a fierce curiosity and a stupid name meant to make future podcasters look bad so i'm gonna call them brownie and why and why god hilarious punishment whenever to worry about it so as i was saying they were both teachers well i'd
Starting point is 00:05:23 was the teacher of two Warsaw schools, but when he lost his position for pro-polish sentiments, the family may do by lodging boys in the house. A solution that's been shot down by my business partners several times as both a solution for our financial and leak-related woes, just saying. I told you, you're not allowed to write brothel in the license application,
Starting point is 00:05:46 they're gonna reject it and you wrote it anyway. Yeah, no one's gonna let you around young boys. I'd be surprised if you passed this screening to be a bananas foster parent. Just, you know, I try to buy a banana at the supermarket, sir, sir, you got to stop throwing alcohol and matches. No, no, no, torches, stop it, stop it. Well, okay, he was the one who wasn't getting into the spirit in my defense. Now, on the other hand, operated a prestigious boarding school for girls. She resigned when Marie was born and died when she was just
Starting point is 00:06:18 10 years old, just three years after Maria's old sibling, Zovia, with a Z because I can straight up fuck myself, died of typhus, causing young Marie to follow the tradition of all great Christian movies and become an atheist. Now unable to enroll in a regular institution of higher education because she was a woman, spoiler alert, that's going to happen a lot. What? That she's going to be a woman? Yeah, it will happen a lot.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Every damn time, Tom, every damn time. So instead, she and her sister, Bronislawa became involved with the clan destine flying university. Awesome. Yeah, sometimes translated as floating university, which is way less fucking cool than it sounds, because it was just a stupid, secret school
Starting point is 00:07:03 that lit women in. None. I bet their Harry Potter broom sport team was fucking pretty rad though. While saving money for school, Maria took a position as a governess, first as a home tutor in Warsaw, then for two years as a governess in a place that is spelled as Z, C, Z, UK, so I'm going to pronounce it, fuck you future podcast F**k you right in the bubble I think that's how it's meant to be pronounced It polishes the linguistic equivalent of our inner box
Starting point is 00:07:33 So quick size sorry while working for that latter family She fell in love with their son Kazimir Zorowski a future eminent mathematician Now his parents rejected the idea of his marrying the penniless relative, and Kazimirov went along like a bitch. But this side story has a happy ending. See, Kazimirov's wound up a mathematics professor at Warsaw Polytechnic, where according to the article, quote, he would sit contemplatively before the statue of Maria's Fortasca, which had been erected in 1935 before the radio.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Before the radio is the dude, it's not in the right number of syllables. That's amazing. Are anywhere there? It's just gloat. Why didn't she sit Maria Peterson? What? It wouldn't have been as accurate.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Which had been erected in 1935. I just rolls right back. He's not going back for it. He's not going back for it. He's gone. It's in the past now. I live life forward. I'm a motivational poster.
Starting point is 00:08:36 I'm a living, breathing motivational poster. On the 21-deck fix and I'm living my best life before the Radium Institute that she found it in 1932. So the point is of this little side story, if you think running into your ex's bad, try running into her statue in front of the school she found it has a real thing to it. Well, the back of the statues were all pretty much the only thing that you could beat off too. So, the lady says, he would have that off. You could beat off to other things and stat. Okay, I got to stop.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Hard. This is actually where the phrase bust a nut came from. But bust statue. Egg, eggs. Come, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs, while saving money and working, Marie continued to educate herself, reading books, exchanging letters, and being tutored herself. She studied the flying universities some more and began her practical scientific training
Starting point is 00:09:34 in a chemical laboratory at the Museum of Industry and Agriculture at Crack House. Yeah, but how much student loaned that was she taking? Yeah, that's the real question. And how is she planning to have her please a man? I don't think she's learning any. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Trust me, he's, trust me, he's, it killed her. Oh, God. He's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, and he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, and he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, and he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, he's like a, in late 1891, she left Poland for France in Paris, Maria. Now, Marie, because she got all French
Starting point is 00:10:06 a fad, briefly found shelter with her sister and brother-in-law before renting a Garrett closer to the university in the Latin quarter and proceeding with her studies of physics, chemistry, and mathematics at the University of Paris, where she enrolled in late 1891. Bucking immigrants. It's the all the good scientific breakthrough jobs from everyday French people. Exactly. Fucking Gulaschuk on every corner. Now like all college students she was suffering from cold winters and
Starting point is 00:10:38 occasionally fainting from hunger because Ramanudos and stealing your friends dining hall ID hadn't been invented yet. Ha, ha, ha. Also having your friend fake ADHD and getting a prescription for Adderall and then trading that friend, the drugs you sell for large fistfuls of the Adderall during finals, probably didn't get invented yet either.
Starting point is 00:10:57 So I didn't people pass college that. I feel like you could go to a corner store and get cocaine though, so she didn't have, I can, I guess, yeah, right. I just, I guess yeah Like walking to do we read and be like and they were like here have some heroin So in 1893 she was awarded a degree in physics and began work in an industrial laboratory of Professor Gabriel Litman
Starting point is 00:11:19 Meanwhile she continued studying at the University of Paris and with the aid of a fellowship She was able to earn a second degree in 1894. So, for those keeping track, a woman who did not have enough food to eat earned two more scientific degrees than I ever will by the age of 27. Marie had begun her scientific career in Paris with the investigation of the magnetic properties
Starting point is 00:11:41 of various steels commissioned by the society for the encouragement of national industry or as the French say Sussex taid don't call us mo pull down the stride nass and ha no no very little of that so that same year Pierre Curie entered her life yeah was an instructor at the school of Physics and Chemistry or as the French say, not just to go to the
Starting point is 00:12:07 Yeah, the physique, the shimmie, the stride, and I be Stop, just do the So you're having trouble with English So they were introduced by a mutual friend who had learned that Marie was looking for a larger laboratory space We were introduced by a mutual friend who had learned that Marie was looking for a larger laboratory space, something that the friend thought Pierre had access to. Now Pierre did not have access to a large laboratory, but like any smart man, he pretended he had animal handling experience so he could hang out with a cute red head at the haunted house he was working in.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Thus, continuing the long and story tradition of French men pretending it's bigger than it is. Oh, oh, my laboratory. Shit. I've had complaints. I'm in a row. Come at me. I am, how you say, a grow-air?
Starting point is 00:12:55 Not they show-air. So eventually Pierre proposed marriage, but at first Marie did not accept as she was still planning to go back and live in her native country. Pierre however decided that he was ready to move with her to Poland, even if it meant being reduced to teaching French because his greatest discovery was that nerds fuck better. No, I, this is not, I'm a feeling this is not in the article again. Well, then they should stop banning me as an editor on Wikipedia. Yeah, man, the spectrum is where it's at.
Starting point is 00:13:24 The more timid the eye contact, the spectrum is where it's at. The more timid the eye contact, the better that's common knowledge. Jesus. All jocks ever think about his sports and all we ever think about is sex. Lewis from a vengeneres said that after he'd dark raked the cheerleader. Jesus Christ. Yeah. True story. Movies were disturbingly rapey in my childhood. Also churches. Marie returned to war, a thought where she visited her family. She was hoping she'd be able to work in her chosen field in Poland,
Starting point is 00:13:50 but she was denied a place at crackout university, because you guessed it, she was a woman. So Pierre convinced her to return to Paris to pursue her PhD. At Marie's insistence, Pierre had written up his research on magnetism and received his own doctorate in March of 1895. He was also promoted to a professor at the school. A contemporary quip would call Marie, quote, Pierre's biggest discovery, end quote, because
Starting point is 00:14:14 the phrase, baby man dragged into adulthood by a woman he wouldn't deserve wouldn't be invented until my father-in-law speech at my wedding. I don't know, you mean invented. I think you mean perfect. I'm sorry. Hi everyone, thanks for coming. Eli was Anna's safety school. Oh, kind of like NYU, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was the number one dream husband in the country. Go violence! Go violence! Did you think any way to go violence was making the fight stronger? All right, Eli, any more references to your wife. And this is a Valentine's Day episode. And besides Noah married his child bride back when dinosaurs ruled the earth. You don't see him talking about it all day. You get jealous of the giant bugs we could ride on. We could ride on giant bugs. The assholes.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Well speaking of marriage on July 26th of 1895, they were married. Neither one at a religious service because they were big old atheists and atheists are the best kind of people. Marie's dark blue outfit worn instead of a bridal gown would serve her for many years as her laboratory outfit. All right. Well, spring has sprung. Love is in the air and a mediocre man is about to get the credit for all of his wife's work.
Starting point is 00:15:29 It seems like the perfect time for us to take a quick break and for our women listeners to find the eyeballs that rolled out of their heads. In this section, we like to call apropos of nothing. I don't wanna. He's just read your lines you be the girl He do not fall into the lazy comic archetype of resistance to femininity, but it's meta cuz of this part. It's fine No, I'm being meta. I'm being meta fine Mad darling Marie how I love you Won't you help me with my homework?
Starting point is 00:16:06 Oh, Pierre lady voice to a lady. Gender is a concert fine. Fine. Fine. Oh, Pierre, I don't know what fuck. All right, I got it. I got it. I got it.
Starting point is 00:16:19 Oh, Pierre, no problem. My darling here. This is how magnets fit together, whatever. Bullshit, you're studying. Ah, fantastic! What a fantastic team we are! Yeah! Team, right? But my love, don't you know, my love for you is like the half-life of Rheadyham, which is... 6,600 years. Yep, yep, else, totally,600 years. Yep, yep, else totally 16 years.
Starting point is 00:16:47 100. 100 years, 100 years, I would love you. And we're back. When last we left Marie, she was doing her damnness to give her husband a piggyback ride in his scientific excellence. While sexist through rock's at her. Eli, where does our story pick up? Oh, I know this, the mythosist Milwaukee conference. Oh shit. Close, close. There's Jew hate in a second. Now we're going to talk
Starting point is 00:17:18 about another character entirely for a second. This is the book of Mormon of citation needed episodes of Eli. A new character. Oh, and there's this other character. Next thing you're going to tell me is some bullshit name like Wilhelm Rentschen. Only because you pronounced it first. No. That is the only reason I'll be saying that name.
Starting point is 00:17:37 So in 1895 Wilhelm Regan and Kichin. So close. Not really. I got the R. I nailed the R. I got W. It's pretty good. I got it. And then kitchen. So close. Not really. No, I, I, I thought I got the R. I nailed the R. I got W is pretty good. I got nervous. I got nervous because he just, it just rolled off his tongue. I don't want to do it.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Okay. Anyways, Willie R's discovered the existence of X-rays. Though at the time nobody knew how it worked. They were just like, hey man, stand near this. Now I can see your bones. So in 1896, Henry Bakarell discovered that uranium salts emitted rays that resembled x-rays in their penetrating power. He demonstrated that this radiation, unlike phosphorescence,
Starting point is 00:18:15 did not depend on an external source of energy, but seemed to arise spontaneously from the uranium itself. He did not note how often pooping blood came up in conversation after these experiments, but he probably should have Speaking of which how that physical go-y line This is state farm. We found traces of stool in your ass blood. That's That's an improvement It's a hard no, it's a hard no on policy. Also Keith, I asked you to keep that between you and me and our shared diary, so anyways,
Starting point is 00:18:57 influenced by these two important discoveries, Marie decided to look into your reigning rays as a possible field of research for a thesis using an electro meter invented by your hot trooper bottle like Traumater why is there no? Electro Got myself with that one. Good job. Wow.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I push it through. I'm a profession. Like, pro meter, using an electromagnetic, not a people don't know that. I work in bed. My husband and brother. She discovered that uranium rays caused the air around a sample to conduct electricity. Using this technique, her first result was the finding that the activity of the uranium
Starting point is 00:19:51 compounds depended only on the quantity of uranium present. She hypothesized that the radiation was not the outcome of some interaction of molecules but must come from the atom itself. Okay. Eli, look, I'm sure that Noah and Cecil are eagerly nodding along, but for everyone else at home, what the fuck does that mean? Oh, that's great question, Tom. Um, well, you see, people used to think that you couldn't split the atom and she took the first step in discovering they were wrong. Question mark.
Starting point is 00:20:26 She took the first step in discovering they were wrong question mark glances at no. No, I mean, she did that. Yes, from the next paragraph in the article, but I mean, that's not what the stuff you just said, man. Exactly. All right. Good. Yeah. Let's just remember who started all the nuclear wars?
Starting point is 00:20:42 Women, right? Yes. Okay. You know what, listen, you're damn right. And if you're pointing out, if you want to, if you're thinking to yourself, there haven't been any nuclear wars, keep in mind, we record in advance. So we don't know. He hasn't given the UN speech yet.
Starting point is 00:20:56 We don't know how that's going to go. So in 1897, Marie's daughter Irene was born to support her family. Kuri began teaching at the a cone or in English, the school normal superior. I translated that one to say, a little high school French. It's important to know the Kuri's did not have a dedicated laboratory. Most of their research was carried out in a converted shed Next to the school of physics and chemistry that according to the Wikipedia article was designed to fuck kill Pierre and Marie Curie Listen to this quote from the article quote the shed formerly a medical school dissecting room was poorly ventilated and not even waterproof
Starting point is 00:21:43 dissecting room was poorly ventilated and not even waterproof. They were unaware of the deleterious effects of radiation exposure, attended on their continued, unprotected work with radioactive substances. So what shed full of uranium was where they used to dissect the medical students. I feel confused by this. It was a wet shed full of uranium with a baby play pen in the corner, fish and price. Go in your cage in the corner and play with the quaddo coming out of your chest. Curries, systematic studies included two uranium minerals, pitch blend and torbanite, also known as chalcolite, all three of which are
Starting point is 00:22:19 names for Pokemon but should be. So her electro meter, not a people don't know that word, but it's pretty easy. Once again, show that pitch blend was four times as active as uranium itself and chocolate was twice as active. She concluded that if her earlier results relating the quantity of uranium to its activity were correct, then these two minerals must contain smaller quantities of another substance that was far more active than uranium. Fascinating, Eli. So she was sure there was something in the rocks. Spoiler alert, it's going to turn out to be Pallonium.
Starting point is 00:22:55 See Marie Curie killed Alexander Levin Yanco. Vladisov the hook. Vladisov the hook. When I first read that, I thought you were agreeing with how awesome Putin is not that he was innocent. I was like, laddies off the hook. I feel like having words, laddies off the hook somewhere in your internet history is going to like it might save my life. I might not. It's going to be good. V dog. Take them off the list. They are good. They are. It's fine. He's not for worry. All the sudden
Starting point is 00:23:28 that other citation needed shuts down and disappears. It's crazy. It's sad radioactive guy. His lips are falling off while he's talking. This week's episode is about came up therapy. It's a real bad people. At this time, Pierre was working on something with crystals, but he was pretty sure her idea was cooler, so he dropped that to work with her. Interesting passage from her biography here. The research idea was her own.
Starting point is 00:23:59 No one helped her formulate it, and although she took it to her husband for his opinion, she clearly established her ownership of it. She later recorded the fact twice in her biography of her husband to ensure that there was no chance whatever of any ambiguity. It is likely that at this early stage of her career, she realized that many scientists would find it difficult
Starting point is 00:24:17 to believe that a woman could be capable of the original work in which she was involved. She's just like stamping every page with her vagina. Hey, what's she doing there? It's not quarter marks. That was a quarter marks. Thank you, sure. It's a quarter work.
Starting point is 00:24:32 So remember kids, Marie Curie was not just the first lady scientist ever. She was not remotely the first lady scientist ever. Actually, well, interrupting, rude, anyways. She is not just that. She is also the first lady scientist who wouldn't allow her husband to sign his name to her work like a toddler signing a mother's day card. But at least the parent made the toddler.
Starting point is 00:24:55 So she publishers her work as fast as she can. But someone beats her to it by two months, completely confusing anyone who doesn't work in academia listening to this podcast and causing everyone else who does to not along ruffly. But in July of 1898, Curianne or husband published a joint paper announcing the existence of an element which they named Pallonium, in honor of her native, Poland. On the 26th of December 1898, the Curianne announced the existence a second element, which they named radium for the Latin word for ray. In the course of their research, they also coined the word radioactively.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Radio, what word do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it?
Starting point is 00:25:43 Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? Radio, what do they call it? I mean that too. But in the course of the research, they also coined the word radio activity. And then France would have to wait 41 more years to get an element named after it. Like a bitch. Poland was way ahead of you. If you don't count gallium, all right. Eli for a thousand dollars and the promise to wear matching friendship bracelets for a year.
Starting point is 00:26:01 Oh, okay. Here we go. What element was named after France? Oh, please say white flags done. Please say white flag. Oh, white flag. So close. It was france. You might stumble into that one. I overthought it. I actually thought you might stumble into that one. I overthought it, I'll let you get in my hand.
Starting point is 00:26:27 I'm gonna say hand. Okay. So to prove their discoveries beyond any doubt, the curries sought to isolate polonium and radium in pure form. From a ton of pitch blend, one-tenth of a gram of radium chloride was separated in 1902. In 1910, she isolated pure radium metal,
Starting point is 00:26:45 but she never succeeded in isolating polonium, which has a half life of only 138 days. Slacker. But I mean, the whole time they're just going like, oh, if we can only get rid of these non-deadly bits, then what would it be? Exactly. So, polonium was to Marie Curie
Starting point is 00:27:03 as C. Monkeys are to heat. Exactly. I will eventually remove them from a stone like Excalibur. And I show rise victorious as King of the Britons. So, between 1898 and 1902, the Curie's published jointly or separately a total of 32 scientific papers, including one that announced that when exposed to radium disease tumor forming cells were destroyed faster than healthy cells, all while demonstrating on themselves that sifting through rocks for a tiny amount of polonium isn't so great for the healthy cells either. Look, ma, no hands. Now, I mean, I literally have no hands here. I need new sifters.
Starting point is 00:27:45 Help me. But Quattro has eight now. Use him. He's got it. It'll be good for a while. Right. So in 1900, Curie became the first woman faculty member at the at Colomar Super World stab you just do it in English.
Starting point is 00:28:03 School normal super as doing it in English. School normal super as we say in America. And her husband joined the faculty of the University of Paris. In June of 1903, Curie was awarded her doctorate from the University of Paris. That month, the couple were invited to the Royal Institution in London to give a speech on radio activity, but being a woman, she was prevented from speaking, and Pierre alone was allowed to, which considering she did most of the work, I assumed involved a lot of her coughing scientific terms at him from the back.
Starting point is 00:28:34 I like that they invited both of them, but they all look at the guy talk. Like what are they buying a new car? And the lady will have the discovering rodeo to start. Radium, boo. Sorry, radium, discovering a radium to start. We're gonna share that actually. That's what we're gonna do.
Starting point is 00:28:56 In 1903, in December, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awarded Pierre Curie, Marie Curie and Henry Bakarrel, they Nobel Prize in Physics. At first the committee intended to honor only Pierre and Bakarrel, but one of the committee members and an advocate of women scientists, Swedish mathematician, Manges Ghosta, Mitagla. He's not important to the story, because you do it in French actually? Could you do him in French? That'll be better. Le flam. Anyways, that guy alerted Pierre to the situation. And after his complaint, Marie's name was added to the nomination. Anyway, Marie Curie was the first woman to win a noble
Starting point is 00:29:39 prize or something. I don't know. I was pretty cool. And that's when the sciences stop being sexist. You can tell because in the 114 years, since four other women have also been awarded Nobel Prizes and Physics or Chemistry out of the 370 that have been awarded. Yeah, geez, no fucking rights. They got the Nobel Prize gap. They got the wage gap. They got the thigh gap.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Geez, women get everything. Right. Thank you. I think I speak for famous geneticists everywhere wage gap that they got the thigh gap. Jeez, women get everything right. It's everything. Thank you. I think I speak for famous geneticists everywhere when I say it's because all women are Muslim or some other women. Also, they're more neurotic and don't negotiate
Starting point is 00:30:16 as hard for Nobel prizes. And I'm fired from Google. It's a brutal joke. That's he wasn't speaking of the dead. On April 19th of 1906, Pierre was killed in a road accident walking across the root doffan or road of dolphins as we say in English. In heavy rains, he was struck by a horse-trawn vehicle, swerving to avoid a dolphin and fell in its wheels, which squished his skull, and that made him die.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah. And then we didn't know it at the time. That actually makes him the lucky curie. Yeah. Quick correction. Lucky curie was actually their grandson and coincidentally, lucky curie, like a dolphin, head flipper. Okay, but here's my question.
Starting point is 00:31:06 How do you get hit by a horse-drawn vehicle? Doesn't that just mean you got hit by horses? It's hard to remember. Testable claims, Patreon goal. So Marie was devastated by her husband's death because he did not have $2 million in life insurance. On 13th May 1906, the physics department of the University of Paris decided to retain the chair that had been created for Pierre and offered to Marie. She accepted it hoping to create a world-class laboratory as a tribute to Pierre. Yeah, a tribute to Pierre and maybe also to science
Starting point is 00:31:41 in instead of the gardening shed of doom that she was stuck in before. Perhaps, but either way, she was the first woman to become a professor at the University of Passenger. Yeah, but she was only like four parts out of 370 a professor or something. I'm not the ratio. The golden ratio.
Starting point is 00:31:59 So as promised, in 1910, Kurese succeeded in isolating radium. She also defined an international standard for radioactive emissions that was eventually named after her in Pierre, the Curie. Nevertheless, in 1911, the French Academy of Sciences did not elect her to be a member because she had a vagina
Starting point is 00:32:19 and wouldn't get their hilarious blowjob jokes. Okay, so sexism, scientific discoveries, but have you got any international intrigue for us? Oh, I sure do, Tom, I sure do. See, despite Curie's frame as a scientist working in France, the French didn't like her because they thought she was Jewish. During the French Academy of Sciences elections, she was vilified by the right-wing press,
Starting point is 00:32:41 who criticized her for being a foreigner and an atheist. Wait, hold on. They thought she was a Jew, so they pointed out that she was an atheist. I can't, the French were terrible at anti-Semitism back then. They've gotten so much better at it, it's true. They really created it now. Yeah, that whole surrender thing in 1940, super passive aggressor of the Jews. Jesus. See, but then in 1911, it was revealed that Kuri had conducted an affair
Starting point is 00:33:14 of about a used-eration with the physicist Paul Langevin, a former student of Pierre's, a married man, who was estranged from his wife, and five years her junior. So obviously since she was a lady sleeping with one of your married students was frowned upon because I mean, come on guys, only man are allowed to do that. Am I right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Well Dawson's Creek brought it back very tastefully in the 90s though. The lady sleeping with a student. Child. I wanna wait for a last to be in like four years, cause it's the early 20th century. And we can work with radium. Yeah. So this affair resulted in a press scandal that was exploited by her academic opponents.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Curie, then in her mid 40s was misrepresented in the tabloids as a foreign Jewish atheist home wrecker. When the scandal broke, she was away at conferences in Belgium, but on her return, she found an angry mob in front of her house and had to seek refuge with her daughters in the home of her friend. I mean, really seems like a reasonable reaction to a 35 year old fucking a 40 year old. An entirely genderless, there's no gender.
Starting point is 00:34:24 It's like you're the one starting drama here. Eli for you. Now, luckily, international recognition for her work had been growing to new heights. And the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, overcoming opposition prompted by the Langevingen scandal honored her a second time. Two for. Yes. With the 1911 Nobel Prize in chemistry, making her the first person to win or share to Nobel prizes and remains alone with Linus Pauling as Nobel laureates in two fields. That's not alone, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Currisis. Who made the law with a loan with a loan with minus five alone. I think we're alone. No, I'm sitting right alone because we're together. That's not a vacuum. It's just falling in a feather or in it with the student. It's all the same as the bully ball. It's not a vacuum, that's dumb. Kary's second Nobel Prize enabled her to persuade
Starting point is 00:35:21 the French government into supporting the Radium Institute built in 1914 where research was conducted in chemistry, physics, and medicine on the new street named Ru Pierre Corby. Where some young budding scientist's husband might someday get his skull crushed by a horse. That's the horse's name Albert Einstein. And now you know. I love it.
Starting point is 00:35:44 I don't think I do. Well, here's the cap, or now an Eastern European woman is first lady of the United States. Women are crushing it. Okay, award winners, the doctor is and double Nobel prize winner. Next you're going to tell me she led men in the battle and won the war on her own. Well, kind of during World War One, Kuri recognized that wounded soldiers would best be served if operated on as soon as possible. Wait, this was a revelation she had to come to. Well, I should we wait on now. I don't know. Now, now should now, now should know now, but now, what were they doing before this? Like, okay, wait, wait, wait, don't touch.
Starting point is 00:36:31 You got to let them soak like a dirty dish first. You can't just go and fix them right away. Right. So she saw a need for field radiological centers near the front lines to assist battlefield surgeons. Here's the quote from Wikipedia. Quote, after a quick study of radiology, anatomy and automotive mechanics, she procured x-ray equipment, vehicles, auxiliary generators,
Starting point is 00:36:54 and developed mobile radiography units, which came to be popularly known as Pate Curie, or Little Curies. And, Quote, that's what they also called the flipper-handed grandson. Call back, totally killed it. I just want to be clear. She was sitting around and she was like, huh, I bet mobile radiography units are thing
Starting point is 00:37:15 that don't fucking exist yet, but I bet that would be cool. Get me a truck, some poison rocks, and a copy of Grey's Anatomy. Boom, there you go, I'm a recurring. She became the director of the Red Cross Radiology Service and set up France's first military radiology center operated by late 1914. Assisted at first by a military doctor
Starting point is 00:37:37 and by her 17 year old daughter Irene carried directed the installation of 20 mobile radiological vehicles and another 200 radiological units at field hospitals in the first year of the war. Later, she began training other women as eights. Yeah, that original mashpile was super dark. You did not hit the top. Glow in the darkness.
Starting point is 00:37:58 So in 1915, Curie produced hollow needles containing radium emanation, a colorless radioactive gas given off by radium later identified as radon. To be used for sterilizing infected tissue, she provided the radium from her own one gram supply and it is estimated that over a million wounded soldiers were treated with her X-ray units. In spite of all her humanitarian contributions to the French war effort, Kareen never received any formal recognition of it from the French government, not.
Starting point is 00:38:30 And those assholes gave medals to dogs and horses and shits. It's just only one of the many ways Marie Curie is like Chubacca. He dies a radiation poisoning in the next movie. I just, I didn't know. He's just standing in the shower and the I just I didn't know he's just standing in the shower and the drain clogs from all his fallen out here. He's a fine on his friend's shoulder, landau carcinogen. I'm stall hairless and shaky Chubank. Can't get insurance, spent like four million on a
Starting point is 00:39:01 two million dollar policy and premiums are a podcasting for a living, spending his his 30th birthday to fundraiser New Jersey instead of dead like he promised himself. It's really sad. Don't watch that movie. It's sad and it never ends. All right, Eli, not that this isn't all comedy gold, but did she ever get the recognition she deserved? I don't know, man. People write me nice Facebook messages and stuff, but I'm just I see them like twice a month. I see you once a year, but it's just a lot of me and a desk. Oh, you met Marie Curie. Sorry. Oh, so in America, she actually got recognition in America, Tom. The country that loves women. Finally, in 1920, for the 25th anniversary of the discovery of radium, the French government established a stipend for her. Its previous
Starting point is 00:39:51 recipient was Louis Pasteur. In 1921, she was welcomed triumphantly when she toured the United States to raise fun for research on radium. Uranium bake sales, very popular. It's the original easy bake oven you just put this rock next to like whatever and it cobbels whatever so in 1921 US president Warren G. Harding received her at the White House to presenter with the one gram of radium collected in the United States, which was a very nice gesture at the time and is a Finally throw in give her a blunt Yeah, I'm no back then though. It was just radium was just wedged in between porcelain and lace on the anniversary list
Starting point is 00:40:40 Fucking idea. I just see him like smearing it all over his palm before shaking. Now in 1922 she became a fellow of the French Academy of Medicine led by Curie the institute produced four more Nobel Prize winners including her daughter Irene Jolakurin and her son-in-law Frederick Jolakurin in August of 1922. Thank you. Thank you. In August of 1922, Marie Curie became a member of the newly created International Commission for Intellectual Corruption of the League of Nations. 1925, she visited Poland to participate in the ceremony that laid foundations for the Radium Institute in Warsaw.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Her second American tour in 1929 succeeded in equipping the Warsaw Radium Institute with Radium, not sure what they were doing before then. It seems like there was a four-year period where they were just like pew pew! It was to play some ping-pong. Anyways, it was opened in 1932 and her sister, Bronis Lawa, remember her for the beginning, became its director. In 1930, she was elected a member of the International Atomic Wates Committee, where she served until her death. Her death of, I assume, too many medals.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Yes. Well, sadly, Tom, no. On July 4th of 1934, she died at the San Pelements Sanatorium. From a plastic anemia, believed to have been contracted from her long-term exposure to radiation. You think? At which point she looked almost exactly like Jeff Sessions right now.
Starting point is 00:42:17 And that's the important thing to remember about her life, her physical appearance. That's the important takeaway of this whole essay. So we're not. Remember about her life her physical appearance. That's the important takeaway this whole essay. So for now so As we have been both delicately and Honourably hinting the damaging effects of ionizing radiation were not known at the time of her work But they're bad which had been carried out without the safety measures later developed She carried test tubes containing radioactive isotopes in her pocket. She stored them in her desk drawer, remarking on the faint light that the substance gave
Starting point is 00:42:48 off in the dark. She also said the same thing about her teeth. She also exposed to X-rays from unshielded equipment while serving as a radiologist in the field hospitals during the war because of the levels of radioactive contamination. Her papers from the 1890s are considered too dangerous to handle. Even her cookbook is highly radioactive. They are kept in lead-lined boxes, and those who wish to consult them must wear protective clothing.
Starting point is 00:43:17 And just Gordon Ramsay, doing an episode through a wall with lead gloves yelling at people. It's burned, it's burned, everything's burned. Gordon, everything's burned. And although her many decades of exposure to radiation caused chronic illnesses, including your blindness due to cataracts and ultimately her death, she never actually acknowledged the health risks
Starting point is 00:43:40 of radiation exposure. Yeah, it's so hard to see when it's right in front of your face. And when you're near blind, I mean, it's hard to see that you feel like right in front of your exposure. Yeah, it's so hard to see when it's right in front of your face. When you're near blind, I mean, it's hard to see that you feel like right in front of your face. Spare helps if you're glowing though, if it's glowing. That's what you're supposed to be. If both of you are glowing, that helps.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Yeah. She was intern at the cemetery in Skack. That's it. Oh yeah. That's it. That's it. Skack. Skack. Skack. Finally nailed one right at the end. That's it. Scared. Finally nailed one.
Starting point is 00:44:06 That's it. Finally nailed one right at the end. That's angry scaporn. That's what that is. Is there not angry scaporn? There's probably cod one. Oh god. Oh god.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Oh god. Alongside with her husband Pierre, 60 years later in 1995, in honor of their achievements, the remains of both were transferred to the Pantheon in Paris. She became the first woman to be honored with internment in the Pantheon on her own merits. All right. And if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence, what would it be? Women can't control their emotions. Oh, Jesus. All right. Well, that was just terrible. Are you ready for the quiz?
Starting point is 00:44:47 Like an ice-a-talk to a cantaloupe. I don't. Does anyone know what that means? Any guesses are all English. One words in an order. They rhymed. Yeah. He rhymed him.
Starting point is 00:45:01 There you go. All right. So I got a question for you here. Like before we discovered its ability to give you fish babies, radium was a shockingly popular consumer product, which of the following actual real consumer uses for radium in the 1920s was the stupidest. Was it a radium toothpaste to give you a glowing smile I'm not making any of these up. I feel like it has to be all the above
Starting point is 00:45:33 So we know well you yeah, right wait till I get to the end here be Radium infused chocolate Under the brand name chocolate Was it see radium suppositories? Okay, that's a way for a warm asshole, I guess. Or other things. You don't have to put it in. Or was it D, we're getting there, was it D, radium infused wax rods inserted into the urethra to treat impotence.
Starting point is 00:46:07 I'm gonna think it's the first one. I think it's radium toothpaste to give you a glowing smile. You don't think it's sticking it in your dick. You do not think that's the... I do not. No, I'm sticking to my gun. I guess you... Final answer. Well, I guess you're right then. I'm sticking to my gun. I guess you final answer.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Well, I guess you're right then. I'm surprised to learn this. Sticking in your dick was smarter. What Eli just said. Okay, I got a question for you too. Which of the following is the most popular section of Marier Curier's radioactive cookbook? Was it a eat ray glove? Was it B, Italian ice tops?
Starting point is 00:46:53 Was it C, Asian fission? Or was it D, I have full body cancer. My blood is burnt catch up and I'm not hungry. I'm gonna go with eat ray glove. That's correct. Eat ray glove. All right, I'll give this a whirl. I peered to credit for virtually everything Mary did until he died and then suddenly she won every possible award and metal. And I think she became the king. I don't know. I wasn't paying a lot of attention. What other world achievements did Pierre try to claim as his out? Hey, inventor of the Sibyan.
Starting point is 00:47:30 B, first man to ascend to the moon without oxygen. Let's see, he threw a football over those mountains. Well, Dean, he took the red pill, she ball. All right, let's see. He's not a famous atheist, so it's not D. If it sports, you wouldn't know, and you can't get to the moon without a snorkel. So I'm gonna go with A, inventor of the Sibian. Yeah, sure about that.
Starting point is 00:48:01 All right, Eli, last question. Hit me, best friend. Marie Dittel, Marie did a lot of dangerous things throughout her life like carrying radioactive substances around our person. What other dangerous thing is this woman famous for? A, traveling to a rubah alone. B, dipping her French fries in pleuricy. Delicious.
Starting point is 00:48:21 C, being a child beauty pageant queen. Whoa, problematic. We're D. Listen to the ground to pinpoint approaching state coaches. Oh, I know what's question. See so you tried to lure me in with the answer C and you know what? It fucking worked because the answer is C. No, no, it was a top more topical answer, traveling to a Rubo alone. Sorry, sorry. Okay, Cecil, you stumped
Starting point is 00:48:54 your best friend, which means still means you get to choose next week's essay. Well, I'm going to choose my real best friend, Heath, to do it. I think that's who I should choose. I want it to be as hurtful as possible, actually. Yeah. Let's shine in front of this school of netcher out. Splowneck. Splowneck. Splowneck.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Splowneck. Now, I'll toss it over to Sarah for last week's Twitter answer and this week's Twitter question. Thanks, Tom. Last week's question was, what was the name of the apocryphal clown that supposedly tips the Eastland over and what was his act? The answer comes from shebear mailey on Twitter with, OB clown Kenobi performing his popular force push Friday. This week's question is, what would be the title of a romantic comedy about Marie and Pierre Curie?
Starting point is 00:49:46 Just retweet her Facebook share this episode with your answer for a chance to be next week's winner. Back to you, Tom. All right, well, for Eli, Noah, Heath, and Cecil, I'm Tom, thank you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week and by then, Heath will be an expert on something else. Which we now and then you can participate in bi-weekly hilarity with Cecil and myself over a cognitive dissonance, or you can join in the grumbling about movies, religion, and politics
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