Citation Needed - Pete Evans

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Peter Daryl Evans (born 29 August 1973[citation needed]) is an Australian chef, and former television presenter, who was a judge of the competitive cooking show My Kitchen Rules. Evans has been heavily criticised for spreading misinformation about vaccinations, promoting conservative political rhetoric, sharing conspiracy theories with followers and pseudoscientific dieting ideas such as the paleolithic diet. He lives in Round Mountain, New South Wales.

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Noah, thank goodness you're here. There's not much time, please. Hey guys, what's up? Hey, Tom! Which with the badge you're doing like a sleep thing? Sweet Noah, always with the joke. That's why I loved him. Somebody you want to tell me what's going on?

Oh, it's the pre-episode shenanigans. Tom's starving himself. Oh, God, that's horrible. It is, it is. I haven't eaten since noon. Ish. So you skipped dinner? No. No. We didn't. Look, none of that matters now. All of you come close. I have something I want to tell you. Anything. Sure, buddy. The cold open of this show is weird.

Like the sketch should go in the middle and then the first thing people hear should be the music and then the intro, you know? No, no, no, that actually makes sense. I can see that. I guess that's what they always say. And with that said, I can finally rest. Tom, you're literally eating right now. But what?

My lines were long, I got hungry. Hello and welcome to CitationDeaded. The podcast where we choose a subject where you read a single article about it on Wikipedia and pretend we're experts because this is the internet. And that's how it works now. I'm Noah, I'm going to be acting as this week's guru and like all gurus, I'll be damned if I'm going to do any of the work myself. So I've brought along a few disciples. First up, the man who did a lot of ketamine before I actually googling to see if that's even what keto diet meant. Eli Bosnick.

Why befriend a veterinarian if you're not gonna get at least a little ketamine out of the deal, you know what I'm saying? No, that's a little, that's fair. Man, we're also joined by the man who thought Paleo was a 50-slur for a Nordic person. Tom. Hey, hey, anything is a slur if the eye contact is right. Oh, white man's freedom.

And finally, the guy who doesn't need a diet because everything he cooks takes 23 hours to prepare, seesaw. If I have 12 minutes to eat left on the clock, I will not be in caloric deficit at the end of the day. I guarantee that. Okay, no, that's fair. And of course, before we get started, I want to remind you that purveyor of bullshit pays way better than skeptic or dog caster.

And without our patrons, it'd be way more attempting to act on that knowledge. Anyway, if you'd like to learn how to join their ranks, be sure to stick around to the end of the show. And with that out of the way, tell us, Cecil, what person plays, think concept, phenomenon or event? What would be talking about today?

Pete Evans. All right, Tom, you screamed at a Wikipedia article for this one. You ready to tell us what you were yelling about? I will. You know, there's a talk section on Wikipedia, but no grumble and bellows section. And that's just a lost opportunity. I know you hang out on enough talk sections. You'll find a feeling I was going to say, Tom, really dig in there. There's some definite crumbling and bellowing going on. So Tom, who was Pete Evans? And if you could please phrase your answer in the form of an autobiographical factoid that sort of weaves drunkenly around and then swarves into the point just when you least expect it, that would be great.

That would really appreciate that. Oh, would you expect something different? No, not sure. Just said it out, bud. Yeah. All right, in 2017, in 2017, I fulfilled a lifelong dream of traveling to Australia. A country I had wanted to visit and explore for as long as I can remember wanting to go anyway. And I was lucky enough to have this opportunity because I, along with everyone on this show, was invited along by the organizers of the Skepticon conference.

In fact, it was at Skepticon, that this show, this very show, debuted its first live show. One of the hallmarks of the Skepticon conference is the awarding of the Bent Boone, an award given to purveyors and popularizers of bullshit and nonsense, or as they put it's quote,

the proponent of the most preposterous piece of pseudo-scientific or paranormal piffle of the year. Nicely done. Now, I know, and we've been invited to skepticon, not in 2017, but neither 2015 or 2020, we would have been there for the awarding of the Ben Spoon to today's anti-hero. The only shithead to win this not to be cherished award twice. Oh, wow. Okay, so obviously I love the guys with skepticon and all, but you can't use pseudoscience

when you're doing pee alliteration guys. I mean, I got it. It does start with pee. Oh god. It's visual alliteration. The piece of pseudoscientific, paranormal. It's like me trying to write for Noah during vote, charity for charity. All right.

Pete Evans was born in 1973 in Melbourne, Australia, and failed entirely to do anything worth writing about in Wikipedia until 1996. When he and his brother opened their very first restaurant, and then, like, just a whole bunch more restaurants. Most of everything Pete does in his real adult life is pretty much a nightmare, but he got to give him credit for his restaurant thing. They open just a slew of restaurants all under the corporate umbrella of the Hugo Group, and they won just a shit ton of awards.

The Sydney Morning Herald Award at Restaurants in the Hugo Group, eight Chefs hat awards, 21 Best in Australia Awards, and in 2005, Hugo's actually won Best Pizza in the World, though it should be noted that that event took place at the American Pizza Challenge in New York. So pretty much anything a rat could carry in behind a pile of garbage bags would be to get out. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And it was cooked down under and delivered straight from an Australia in a box and a car, and it still set out for less time than a New York pizza. Yeah. And still got there quicker than a Chicago style

dying in order of course. I'm still waiting. I've been the last five-bedded Chicago in three fucking years. I'm still waiting on my people's flip. Listers, listers, Thom and Cecil are just jealous because pizza rat wouldn't take a picture with them when we saw him on the street when they was the man they was, name was.

He was awkward. He embarrassed. I was biased. I was garbage can. He wouldn't even come near me. He was ridiculous. Weirdly hot. He's really hot.

Right. Weirdly hot. But Pete Evans really became an Australian cultural icon when in 2010, he became a judge on Channel 7's kitchen game show, My Kitchen Rules. And this show was wildly popular, became the highest rated reality television cooking competition. It garnered two million weekly viewers. Evans also hosted a PBS show in 2014 called A Moveable Feast with Fine Cooking,

terrible name, which was nominated for an Emmy. Things were just taken off for Pete. They'll de-cracked, we're starting to show. During an interview, he were just taken off for Pete. No defects were starting to show. During an interview, he gave up what a typical Evans breakfast was. A nice tall glass of alkaline water and some activated alms. So look, Tom found a crazy chef.

Tune in next week where maybe you'll tell us about an atheist podcaster, he's not particularly good at admitting when they're wrong. Well done. And it's all of us on this show. No, when you have even a modicum of notoriety, you have to write a book. The three corners of us know that. Yeah, I couldn't even stick to a blog, Tom. And so Pete wrote a bunch of each one promoting not just recipes, but a philosophy that modern

society is living by outdated nutritional precepts. And since those precepts are outdated, then I guess something something eat paleo, the modern not outdated paleolithic diet. Tom, don't piss off the paleo people in our audience. Okay, they're all so close to a heart attack as it is. So the problem was that they weren't outdated enough. I got you. Okay. All right. Oh, and Pete goes real hard on the paleo diet, but he doesn't go paleo like your buddy

fucking around a crossfit like, okay? No. Pete Evans co-authored a book in 2015 called, this is the name of his book, Baba Yum Yum, the paleo way for new mums, babies, and toddlers. Yikes. How this book? It was not without its detractors, since it suggested among other things that babies should be fed bone broth. I wish they absolutely should not. And the book was criticized by health experts as, and this is a quote, extremely deadly for all babies.

She's that's quote. Also, keep your baby away from CrossFit because they do a totally different kind of burpee there. Yeah, she didn't. True. The controversial deadly recipes floated in Bubba Yum Yum or eventually changed. Bubba Yum Yum. Bubba Yum Yum.

And channel seven was still standing behind their celebrity chef ATM machine. Though we've been after the changes, experts noted that the recipes were still dangerous to babies, which sounds bad, but is admittedly a big stuff up from Deadleaf or all baby? Sure. Sure. You'd think it would be hard to pitch. This is how humans are supposed to eat and forget the stuff that comes out of your chest, what your baby needs comes from that fancy grocery store.

Sure. But somehow this dude managed it. So because I think that's what they ate in the paleolytic, right? Like, yeah, not like this new fangled brushed milk has a real, it's got what plants crave vibe to it. That way. And 2016, Evans took the Facebook offer advice to an osteoporosis stuff. Is advice?

Avoid calcium. What? Now, if you don't already know, osteoporosis is a disease of low mineral density in the bones. And calcium, well, calcium is a big goddamn part of that mineral makeup, but Pete suggested that, quote, most doctors don't know that calcium from dairy can remove the calcium from your bones. And quote, what? And in case you're wondering, no, it absolutely cannot do that.

Milk just sitting in your digestive system. Bring me your calcium. Yeah, bring it to me. Like some kind of turf, or about the fucker bird that calcium around here now. So this is actually a myth that some vegan communities get caught up in as well. And fun fact, yeah.

And fun fact, they never add the second half of that explanation, because it's fucking stupid. It's apparently because milk, milk makes your body to acidic. And it's my drain. It's what now the calcium. Okay. Sure. Ah, yes, the famed acidic properties of milk.

It's butter milk, maybe, but in 2017, Pete Evans produced and narrated the Netflix misinformation documentary, the Magic Pill, which suggested that if you eat keto super hard, you can help your autism, asthma, and cancer, coincidentally, the three less flattering nicknames for the scathing atheist cast. and then lead the three less flattering nicknames for the scathing atheist cast. That's it.

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Okay. Promoting, I guess, skin cancer instead. And if getting some rays directly on the skin isn't enough for you, he also suggested spending some time just, you know, looking right at the fucking sun like a US president watching the eclipse. Yeah.

Oh, geez. I'd be fair to Pete. He wasn't suggesting doing this acceptance sun rise and sunset, but also in the same spirit of that fairness, that doesn't really matter. And you could absolutely suffer permanent vision loss to it. Yeah. Hey, everyone. I'm here to promote my new Eaton handfuls of acorns and staring into the sun.

Die it. Who's with me? Way too many people see so like, yeah, they have their own God of all. Of course, our friend Pete also opposes fluoride in the drinking water. And at this point, you might be asking yourself, um, what credentials does Pete have other than guy who runs restaurants to be opining on so many important and complex issues of human buyout. Well, Pete, neither a doctor or a dietitian,

but he did go to some seminars a few times and he calls himself a health advisor. So some similar weasel language nonsense bullshit. And look, all of this is bad. It's quite bad. It's bad enough to win a bent spoon. In fact, in 2015, if you'll recall, but 2020 was right around the bend

and things were about to get much, much worse. Yeah. All right. Well, before we get to all that, I feel like I need a booster against stupidity. So we're going to pause for a little apropos of nothing. Nothing. Hello, I'm Dr. Warner van Hooperstein. Here to tell you about my wonderful new course, Shuttings of Fuck Up for Famous People.

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Why was just I was okay, okay Van Hooba stank shutting the fuck up for famous people because if you had good opinions, that's what you'd be famous for! And we're back when we last left off. Pete Evans was the fucking worst, and now he's gonna get worse than that. So how come? All right, Pete Evans has a history of being an anti-vax nut dog even before COVID came along, but COVID just ramped things up to 11. Yeah, he didn't believe in vaccines on vinyl. His vaccines have a warmer sound. In early 2020, Pete became an admirer of RFK Jr. Gross, he now independent, 2024 presidential candidate, and one of the most prominent and

prolific purveyors of anti-vex lies and propaganda. Yeah, he's also one of those arcade prizes where you shake him and they go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Pete was only too happy to dig in and help amplify this dangerous nonsense, though not without some pushback. Yeah, whenever somebody's whole thing is bragging about how many diseases they aren't immune to pushing back in both the physical and metaphorical sense is recommended, the former with an electrified rod or something with points.

Now, Harry Nespesplan, the national president to the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, took Pete on publicly saying that Pete should stick to you talking about activated almonds and leave vaccinations alone. Equip which got under Pete's skin like a needle full of nail. A big complaint that Nesplan's comments subjected him to ridicule, which it did and which he absolutely deserved. When Nesblan died of cancer, Evans in a very classy move took the chance to suggest

that Nesblan should have hocked a peat before he became ill, so Pete could have helped him. The problem with Bankriety Cancer is when people drink large glasses of pancreas, it pulls the pancreas out of your body. A by May of 2020, Pete was on YouTube, sharing videos by David Ike. Nice. You might recall he is an anti-Semite who believes that secret lizard men controlled by the Jewish Rothschild family are interdimensional beings enslaving the Earth's apartment for

monoatomic gold. And he's fucking boring. Right? Right, which, let's be honest, it's almost hard to do and that's your fucking starting point. But yeah, he manages it. I would COVID hit, I took you video. Push the idea that COVID was absolutely not real

and at the same time caused by 5G cell phone time. Oh. So this was the intellectual company that Pete was now. Keep to be fair time, you co-owned two businesses with Eli to different businesses. Hey, that hurts. That hurts just saying it out loud.

And you're like hearing it. I'm hearing it. I got to diversify my portfolio. We're so okay. You gotta stop. I'm in too much of it. I got to diversify my portfolio. We're so okay. You got to stop. I'm in too much of it. I'm in too of it. In October, Pete began to claim that he now had a seriously powerful tool in the fight

against cancer. You see, if you have rampant telomere replication in yourselves, what you have to do to cure it is to, quote, look through a holistic lens to embrace alternative medicine and get off pharmaceutical drug. It just need a holistic approach, the whole holistic approach, a whole, holy holistic approach. That's it. So you need so simple, but she didn't really pop off and blow up in Pete's face until the biocharger NG

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So worth it. Okay. So it's always like, you know what, on second thought, we realized that pretending a disease doesn't exist is terrible for people who sell fake cures fish shit. So, uh, so do over COVIDcharger and G sold for $15,000. Oh, for fuck's sake. And last time I checked, that's a hell of a lot of money for a novelty lamp. A regulators at the therapeutic goods administration took note, decided that this lava lamp knockoff wasn't anything really at all.

And so they find Pete Evans about $25,000 in 2020 and then another $80,000 in 2021. He also got kicked off a Facebook and Instagram around the same time for bullshit peddling and he got fired from his celebrity, Shafeg. Yeah. And as long as he didn't sell more than seven of his bullshit, plasma lamps, I'm sure he really learned his lesson. I did the math to Eli when I saw that. I know. And about this biochargers thing got me to thinking a little, so we're going to pause on

Pete and we're going to take a little detour because when COVID struck it, wasn't just biochargers from the mall, horse pays from the tractor supply store that was being hacked to the cure of COVID, we're going to take a minute to talk about a few of these. Well, well, Tom, you're not allowed to just switch topics mid essay. You're supposed to forget to talk about your topic until halfway through your essay when Cecil turns on his camera and waves a knife. Yeah, we have a format here, Tom, and ignoring the format is heat-spin. Yes, it's a format. Exactly.

It's part of our format. A fantastically popular Facebook post suggested that the color white had a harmful effect on COVID, even when it's on a handkerchief as suggested by the post. So, it's shockingly just waving around a surrender flag, turns out not to dissuade the virus. If it hated white, why did all those chump supporters wind up on ventilators? Riddle me this. Yeah. A USB flash drive.

We're being sold that we're said to offer protection from 5G. Just 5G, I guess flash drives can, out of course, interact with cellular signals, much less roll at D20 and cast the shield of protection around you. Because it's a fucking flash drive. And still these things flew off the shelf. Yeah. The guarantee to remove 20% of the G. Tom, I'm going to need you to stay in your lane and leave the D&D references to me and Eli. Okay.

I thought I got that right. Jesus. You got it right, which is infuriating. Yeah, it's upset. It makes me mad, it makes me madder. You got it right. On the dark web, a combination of nicotine, cocaine and amphetamines known on the street as a NOAA, which being offered as a DIY COVID vaccine. Noah was being offered as a DIY COVID vaccine. And just regular cocaine was said to sterilize the nose and prevent the COVID from, you know, hitting up in your suit. So this way, so much

traction that the French Ministry of Health had to put out a statement that cocaine does not infect protect you from COVID. You hear that mom? I was just really worried about COVID and college. I was really worried about COVID. Oh, and we were talking to our mom's mom to be clear, the nicotine cocaine amphetamine me as a thing of the past. I quit nicotine years ago. I quit. Also industrial methanol was said to kill COVID and while there's no evidence that methanol kills COVID, there is actually plenty of evidence that it kills you. And I ran at least 300 and perhaps as many as 600 people found that out. So in

fairness, after dying of methanol poisoning, COVID, not so much of a worry any. All the street, the rogan fans thinking these people are so stupid as they crush up some Ivermectin and snorted off their own bicep. And of course, there was the miracle mineral solution. This is a mixture of sodium chloride, which is salt, and then an acid of some kind. When mixed together, it produces chlorine dioxide, an industrial bleach and fumigant. Still this was and is still peddled, often by religious weirdos like the Genesis 2 Church, which sells this poison on its website and calls it a sacrament. It is not. It's fucking bleach. That's bleach. Right. But before they were pitching it as a

COVID cure, they were telling people to give their kids animals with it. So if you think about it, this bit was actually a harm reduction. No, probably yeah. And Eli, I can only apologize for yelling blow it up your ass at that salesman so many times. I saw it light up the face and I said it. You had no way of knowing. Thank you. And now we do have to return to Pete. Now you might be be thinking, Tom, things really seem to have gotten bad for a guy who started off as a successful restaurant tour and celebrity chef, so surely it cannot get worse. But it does, it really, really does. Because of course, Pete couldn't resist tweeting out a one-shot cartoon of a caterpillar

wearing a mega hat, telling a butterfly you've changed, to which the butterfly replies we're supposed to. I know, it's had these stuff, very funny. Oh, also there's some Nazi shit in there too. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah, I miss when caterpillars just ate fruit in a sending order. You see, on the butterfly's wing is a son and rat,

or a black son, a symbol adapted from Norse symbology and used by himler and later white supremacists and just, you know, Nazis in general. Now, just so you don't think there might be any possibility that good old Pete didn't realize the symbol was straight Nazi shit, that symbol was prominently displayed by the shooter at the recent Christchurch massacre. And when someone online pointed out that the symbol in his cartoon was there in a comment, Pete replied, yeah, I was waiting for someone to notice that.

Yeah, also, you don't need secret Nazi shit in a comic when someone's wearing a MAGA hat in them. That's right. Yeah, well, not see shit. A little redundant military intelligence. And notice they did. And Pete, who had lined up a role for TV's reality show, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here was out of there. He was fired from this gig before it even began. And soon, pretty much every major retailer and advertiser who had contracts tied up with Pee Devons began to cancel those contracts

and to fire him. Well, I belated kudos to their ethics, I guess. They come in there like, look, man, it was one thing when you were just murdering babies with bone broth and lying about a deadly pandemic. This really doesn't stop too far. It's over the last. Pete pretty much fell off the map for a while, though, not because he was reformed, but because he was banned from most social media, and he had his not-he-hast canceled.

In 2021, he bought a wellness retreat for true believers, and he charged a small fortune for guests to swing by and look at his plasma lamp and skip cars and get sunburns on their eyeball. And just recently Pete took telegram to promote his latest scam, a fasting retreat. Some cavemen were slower than others, this track. Okay, I'm getting it. Now, for the low, low price of $2,500, you can hang out for five days at the Pete retreat. Probably feeling weak and shaky and low blood sugar while you chant a bunch of dumb shit in a year pretending to have a spiritual experience in a performative display of your physical and moral superiority and discipline. Literally sounds like Penn's like war.

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which you absolutely should not, there's live Bitcoin updates there. Of course. Because of fucking course. And if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence, what would it be? Buy handkerchiefs. I don't know. We get it under a Uh, by hanker chips. I know.

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I got one for you. What would be the best way for the Australian skeptics to give Pete his bent spoon award? A, shove it up his ass. B, shove it up his ass, but sideways. C, shove it up his ass, but sideways, but further or D first, you sharpen the tip of the bowl and then Cecil edits out the rest of your suggestion. Well, I think we'll be lucky if Cecil doesn't edit out the entire question. So I'm going to go with D. It doesn't matter if I see so.

So yes, you are correct. Yeah. All right. Tom, what are they saying every morning to start off their day at Pete Evans starvation retreat? Hey, the stars and stripes forever. Okay, I like that one. That was good.

That's all right. That's all right. B, here comes the sun. Sure. It's a pun. Here's a bad one. Get ready. C, singing in the not allowed to eat grain

That one tries so hard Hey, I don't think it does. I don't think it tries very hard or D help He brought it back to the last of brought a bag and he brought it back in I believe that it is help Yeah, oh no, no, it's not. It's singing in the not allowed to eat girl. Oh, I don't know what I mean. I thought it was boo. Fuck me.

It's really good. Boo. But, but we will allow you to have the win regard. Yay, I want to see Celessa. I figured you might. All right, well, for Celela and Tom, I'm Noah. Thank you for hanging out with us today. We're going to be back next week.

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Oh, yeah, way better. Yeah. Hey, hey, what if next week we like didn't do the opening sketch and just open through the host intro as, as like a call back to the joke we made on this show? Yeah, I feel like we're just, yeah, we're kind of stuck with it. Okay.