Club Random with Bill Maher - Killer Mike | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

Bill Maher and Killer Mike randomly riff on reverse interventions, Bill and Mike's excellent adventure in Atlanta, the etiquette of making it rain, the poetry of rap lyrics, what’s worse for you than liquor, how Mike’s mom encouraged him, and Bill’s college job.

Come and know. You know, people think I, uh... Smoked way more pot than I do. I found that I smoked, like Carlin said. He smoked less as he got older. It went from getting higher to right to jump to later on. Right in the jump, then coming back, you look like a little star like, oh, okay.

I'm the more I get involved with marijuana the longer I go into my career, the less I smoke, which is weird. Well, I certainly hope you don't become one of those pussy's who gives up entirely. No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm not a pussy if you give it up. People change, but like...

I like the old rosters, man. Like, if you sitting around and hang out with one of them, they'll fucking smoke and give you life lessons and shit. I want to be that old man. Yeah. Like, my friend Woody Harrelson has quit a few times. No. But we always got him back.

I mean, that's... But I'm done in it. It's like an intervention in reverse. Yeah, yeah. I've done it once myself. I know Willie Nelson did it because I know that's that famous story where something what he was trying to be good and good and good and then he finally, he's with Willie and Noan Wilson

and there's something and of course there's like these guys are gonna be smug about a pot and he couldn't wait anymore and he grabbed the joint and Willie Nelson just said, welcome home son. Welcome home son. I do three day things. Wait, were you having a drink?

I just, I will drink with you. What is that? This just your drink. Well, what do just, I will drink whiskey. What is it? This just your drink. What do you want? I drink whiskey. What? Is that this? Oh shit, I don't know. Usually I'll drink a giant whiskey. It says Canadian whiskey.

Well, can I even know what whiskey is? It's like a... I only drink about four times a year. So I'm not a whiskey drinker like I'm well-versed. You only have alcohol four times a year? I smoke a lot of marijuana. I don't drink marijuana. I'm well versed. Only have alcohol four times a year. Four times a year. I smoke a lot of marijuana. I know. You know?

I'm so, I figure you can't be fat. You can't, you know, can't like food with Guillain, where you got something's gotta go, so. You picked the right one. Yeah. Of all, I mean, of all the things in the world that are horrible for you, and there's many of them, but really there's nothing worse than liquor.

There's a reason they used to put a sculling crossball on the fucking bottle. But right now, I am so dry I could ball a camel. No, I have a drink with you. Richard Bells, you're my grandfather. But so what do you want? This, you want this? I'll drink to your drink.

I don't drink whiskey, I drink tequila. Is that Jack over there? I'll just keep a mask and go Jack. Yes, I used to be my drink. So I'll do Jack. You know that I drank so much of this. They sent me a deed to a one-foot plot of land on the taxi. So I could officially be a squire. It looks like I'm doing an ad for it. I'm just telling this story and saying, thank you, Jack Daniels, for that plunder plane. I'll have to visit it sometime. Speaking of the class of land,

you got a compound here. This is like the Godfather. This is a big shit. It's like, man, my wife is in a whole other house. We're in a club. We're in a club. You're in a club. It's cool, right?

I would have brought the girls from the plane hat. I know. We have to talk about that. Okay, we gotta talk about that. Oh, first of all, I love that place. I bet it's in trouble. I don't think, I think it's gonna be okay, but it's always, it's, you know, perpetually, you know.

Of course. You don't want to play football. I mean, Mike, such a stoner. I poured, what did I pour in here, Jack Daniels? You poured jacket. Okay, you want that with something? No, no, justoner. I poured, what did I pour in here, Jack Daniels? You poured jacket, okay. You want that with something? No, no, just ice. Just ice.

Ice brings out the flavor, pops out the sweetness in it. Oh, oh wow, you're pouring. Excuse me. Well, if you, well, we're not mixed. We got to tell me when he poured whiskey or ice from it. But you're not mixing it with anything. No, I'm not mixing it. Right, so I'm giving you more.

No baroque obama. So, are we talking about... We were talking about the truth, why it made me a trouble. Well, okay, but before we get to the trouble, I just have to say, you know, I've told this story now to a few close friends just because it was so close to my heart, this, you know, that you chucked me into a place.

I mean, it's so funny because when I said to a few people, I said, you know, when I'm going on Lennon, and Mike's gonna take me to, like, where he hangs out, breaks his new records and stuff. You know, that's where strip clubs are where records are where. Absolutely. Right?

So a few people said to me, oh, they thought they knew they're shit. You know, they were like, oh, I know. It's the magic city. Magic city, yeah. Okay, what's I also go through? Okay, but, they're shit. You know, they were like, oh, I know, it's the magic city. Magic city, yeah. Okay, what's I also go to? Okay, but, well, you said to me, we're not going to magic city.

And that's for tourists. It is, it's for tourists, and so, like, I'm not, I'm not gonna say, it was, first of all, the driver didn't want to go. Yeah, fuck you. I know. I guess he thought it was too dangerous. Uh-huh.

I never felt any danger. Because you weren't in any danger. Because I was with you, first of all. Right. I know. I mean, I thought the first one was very impressed. Yeah. I thought it was going to be a hole in the wall.

No. It was very nice. Yeah. Like, and busy, and, you know, like, it wasn't like one of those places with three girls. No. Broken down, you know, and a Marine with a heart on it and $4. It was like, you know, you did the thing with the reigning.

Yeah, you make it right. You do that to the stage. I personally accept that. But I do it to the girl's own stage. I'm not. No, not to me. To me, making it rain as a guy while you're sitting or standing there

is one of the most homoerotic things you can do because the money is, you're throwing the money for other guys to look at you. That isn't about the girl. So I tend not to be a money thrower. I just, I just tell you up at the end. And what? You, you, you got a stack of singles like this.

Yeah, you, I do that. But the girls that are on stage, I'll throw money at them because when a girl is on stage, that's her, that's us on stage. That's her, and the way you give her a pause or laughs is to throw money up there and it encourages other people to throw money. So you do that because it's a tribute to her. It's like some goddess worship ship from 10,000 years ago. But if a girl has given me a lab dance, a lab dance of the five

dollars of peace, I just want you to grind in my lab for a while. I'll tell you, I'll get the end. Just act like you love me, baby. I mean, just, first of all, you know, I love your wife. Yes, Shay. I just do. How can you not? And like driving to the neighborhood, it's funny, from the East Coast, when we think of a bad neighborhood, I'm from New Jersey, New York. We had, certainly we're, we're then spitting this into bad neighborhoods,

where you know, you were Central Park, you know, Johnny Carson, these little jokes about the crime in Central Park every fucking night. It was fun, fun, fun, it's a fun city. So, but in the East Coast, a bad neighborhood, it's like an urban setting. So it's, it looks bad. It's grimy buildings, you know, dark streets. Not bad neighborhood. But like, I remember I saw boys in the hood. It was California. I was like, wait, it looks like the where I go. I look like I had, you know, why is this a bad neighborhood? And and that

and it didn't look like a bad neighborhood. But okay, so the driver did not want to go there. Yeah. Um, he was scared when he got out. Um, you know, I must say, you know, you're the king of Atlanta. I don't know. I think I, I, I, I, I, I'll let you out keep the key. I, well, you know, I am, I'm, I'm let T.I. keep the key. Wow, you know I am, I'm an honest man. Oh, you're a prince. Yes, you're a prince of the city. I don't know what you are. A princeling something in the royal family.

But I did see some hard looks. Some people looked at me like, you don't belong here. And then they realized who you were though. And they was like, oh, no, that didn't make any difference. No, no, no, I know it doesn't make any difference. But you guys are staying. You guys are staying using for white guys in there. He's in a trucker's hat.

And he's gonna get him a coat. And it's the day because there's a truck stop across. So the confused looks you get, weren't about who are you, we don't want you here. It was who the fuck's the white guy at night? Because usually, usually you would be there and you would be a Southern white man driving a truck. And you would have walked from the truck stop across the street.

But at night in the suit, they would try to figure out who the fuck is this white. And they were like, oh my fucking god, Mike, I'm going to be alright. And then I had to tell everybody, don't take pictures and don't shout them out. I remember saying to your wife, you know, she's like the girls. Like, I felt like I was in a cartoon. Yeah, I don't. I mean, the... Largeness of the Tits and Ass.

Now, that was, now, now, a lot of the Tits and Ass we saw that night was, it was like, it was Bondo to a car. Like, a lot of that was, no disrespect to the girls, but a lot of that... You know how you can have a car that's made a metal. You get in a wreck, you can have it repaired. You can have Bondo come on in. So a lot of girls fly down to Minnankr, Republic,

or places like Miami or Columbia. They get a little bundle. Right. And it's kind of turned into a look. But the girl that ended up dancing, you had a beautiful body. She was natural, all natural. She's one of my favorite dancers.

It's crazy, as I say, this is a woman that's looking like a fucking partner. What do you mean you're favorite dancers? I'm like, because dancers are entertainers. Like she, she's crazy as I say this, the women, they're looking like fucking parrots. What do you mean you favor dance? I'm like, because dance is under tainers. Like she, she's my speed entertainment. I can't, I don't need an answer to this in my bill. Also was interesting about that club is that the girls, like, there's no like a dance, they just start dancing.

I mean, they work hard for them, I mean. Yeah, they do. So hard for it, honey. Yeah, better and the street,. Yeah. Better treat her right. Oh, you better treat her right. I'm not luck with that. You though, I can say, handle yourself, pro as fuck you with steel. I was like, why doesn't he let the girl in the car?

You were like, you were like, you like, that's enough. And your wife was so funny. She's like, it's all about, you know, you with the singles and the throwing and she's like, come on, throw this and I'm like, you know what, I can't do that. I cannot throw money at people. I'm sorry, it's just, I know it's not

disrespectful in this setting. I just can't do it. And then the girl sat down. I said, let's just talk for a second. I know, you know, hello. How about hello? Because I'm just killing a knight with my body. I'm not looking for trouble or daving or, you know.

So, you know, and I always, if I'm in that setting, stroke of sending, I will always, first of all, make it clear to the girl. I understand you're working. Yeah. And give her $100 right away. Yeah. Just to say, like, I respect that this is your job.

Yeah. You're not here to jerk me off or, you know, listen to my problems. Maybe that's it. I think sometimes the earth they're obsessed. Day shift girls are more problem listeners. Therapists. They shift, yeah.

Yeah, they tend to be nursing students. And I'm like, I'm not supposed to. therapist. What they shift, yeah. Yeah, they tend to be nursing students and life. Oh, shit. Oh, is that what they tell you, Mike? You know, nursing students. I mean, when you got to drop them off the school next day. I've had some fun. But, I mean, and your wife, she looked up, she was like,

she saw that $100 and she was like, because she had been trying to get me to throw the singles. And I just said, I do it my own way. But you wind up spending like, a million times more than I did. No, I think I did. Oh my God, that stack. I may be spending more.

No. Because it was you. Really? Yeah, I may be spending more. It was a stack. But even that spending it right. I don't know. Because it was you. Really? Yeah, I maybe spent it. It was a stack. It was a stack. But even that is kind of a lot of money. Yeah, I mean, we're spending it a strong lot.

I use, I average about 400 bucks. I try to, I'm trying to make sure. That's, I have a couple hundred bucks. You know, it's like playing poker. Yeah, you know, you're gonna lose it. It's just the fun activity when you're out. And you're helping the economy. I really do appreciate you bringing me into there,

into your world, and all with all that's going on in the country, I couldn't even think that, you know, yes, we've met a lot of progress, but like when you're on, I have the staff print out the lyrics. To your, I've listened to the record. Oh, thank you. Of course.

Yeah. But then I also want to read because I can't understand what any musician not just, you know, I don't understand the beachy. Yeah. I mean, I still don't know what the lyrics to Honky Tonk wouldn't are. I matter and then I'm all over.

Maybe this is all. I don't feel so bad now. But I want to read it, you know, because there's so much slang. Well, and references, right? Rappers, man, our grand delimit is, for people who consider dangerous and illiterate, we sure have to have a mastery of words.

That's what I'm trying to say. I'm speaking to languages, you know. Tia is especially great with words. Not just a rap words. Oh well. I just hung up from my high school principal who's 70-somethings birthday today. Shots out to Dr. Heel. But tip sounds like Dr. Heel to me. When I close my eyes, like, you know, enthusiastically and portically, like you just hear these words like, fuck, you were selling cocaine. How did you learn these words as a crack dealer? Just to share volume, if you print out a pop song, you know, anything before 16 words, you know, I mean, it feels like half a page.

You get very often, I've heard the Beatles talk about this and say, you know, if we couldn't think of a third verse, we would just repeat the first one. Yeah. Like they came up with like eight lines and they were fucking totally cooked on that. And so they just, and we don't care. But rap, it's like, it sounds like two pages. It's good short of though, but yeah, you're right. Like, fully typed and like lots and lots of verses

and all clever and, you know, I mean, it's just, it's not really comparable. I mean, there are great, of course, pop lyrics, you know, I mean, Paul Steinman, it's a great lyricist, Dylan, and sometimes, Len and McCartney, but not like really, some of them, there's a few people on that kind of level where you could almost read it as poetry.

Yeah, absolutely. But your stuff, you could always read this poetry. Yeah, it's kind of, because you know, rap is a, it's a weird little hybrid. You know, it's kids who weren't necessarily been given the best opportunity for educational standpoint, but because you had these fringe groups that were,

you had like the last boys, Gillscott, you had out of jazz, you know, the Scandinavian beat of poppin, you had story tales of people like Staggalee from the early 1900s. So if you look at Muddy Watership, a refund champagne, that song, it sets up for what would later become rap news. Cause in the blue, you're just kind of testifying

how crazy and fucked up. And my life and heart is, I think rap kind of did that. And James Brown was, is that a bridge? Is that a bridge? Kind of a bridge. I think one of the most sampled, if he used to be the most sampled artist in terms of taking his break, the break beats,

the music that we're playing between the verses and stuff for him to give him a break, to take those, man. Those have created public enemies, and we're cornerstone what Falka deli did, and the West Coast kind of teetering their sound on that is. It's been made. Curtis may feel really as a...

Curtis may feel as my favorite. My mom had me when she was 16 years old. And she got married to my non-bio dad. Sorry, I had two dads, I'm lucky. She got me two great guys as dads. When she got married, when she was 19 and moved out, my grandmother was just like, go learn how to be somebody's wife.

Don't worry about him. We're gonna... We're gonna raise him. And my mom left me these records. So I'm a young kid, but I get to play Curtis Mayfield. And Mayfield's lyrics, the music, the stories, all pull me in. And to the point where I start to get like one to wrap over the stuff. And you got artists that came out of South like they've all MJG and outcast that used that sound.

So wrap to me is a progression of whaling from the church, of blues, from the juke joints, of jazz and the speakeas. We are co-bination of that. And the Caribbean art of DJ and party throwing the cool hurt count of brought over. And then it got to the South and just became this hybrid

with the music we already like. So Curtis Mayfield. Yes. I think I have a few of his, is that push or man? Yes, push or man. That's super fast out. Super. Yeah.

That I can now that you mentioned it, I wouldn't have known it. But I mean, I've had that in my, you know, I use the old iPod. Yeah. I think what the circle wouldn't have known it. But I mean, I've had that in my, you know, I use the old iPod. Yeah, I did. Did I use that thick wood? With the circle. Yeah, the thick wood. And I will maintain until I die. It's, what?

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You're spending one of your few drinking nights. You are a friend of mine. I'm so thankful. I appreciate you. You were alive in the blow era. Yes. What the fuck was that like? I mean, I've been waiting. It was a lot like that.

Yeah. Okay. So as most things, I was late and misted. Okay. That explains why you're still here. I always wanted to ask that. But when it was over, there was a period where I did have a little flirtation with cocaine for a year or so,

and it was so not me, because it's not me. I'm like a pothead. It was at a low point, but I was never like, you know, I mean, it wasn't like, it was a flirtation and then I was like, no, this sucked, I was thought it sucked't like, it was a flirtation, and then I was like, no, this sucked. I was thought it sucked. And I was right.

But in the 80s, I mean, I've only heard these stories, but it was so early 80s, it was so commonplace and thought to be sort of benign that people would break it out in business meetings. Well, like, yes, I mean, Richard Pryor famously had. They can't all be lion. I mean, just, yeah, smell brooks, because he's still very sharp and still here.

I'm sure he would remember, like, blazing saddles. They were writing it together. And, you know, they would just break out a big rock and bounce it on the table. And this is the good shit. And I'm sure. I'm sure. And that was a writing session. You know, these people were living.

Yes. But it just, it sort of didn't dawn on people that it was bad for a while. I don't know. They were lying. But what people don't do is why would co-cate. Like, didn't know I'm trying to put my mom on my 16 years older than me,

but I live with my grandparents in her house. It was like our weekend retreating in my sisters. And her house was calmer like your basement. At six o'clock Friday, it just became a club. And because my mom was a florist, so she was with interior designers, artists, and that's just like a, this Bohemian-ass living room in this middle class black

neighborhood, because she lived further out in Decatur. We're like, ex-Brave's picture field, Niko and she lived. And it's just like a, this Bohemian-ass living room in this middle-class black neighbor because she lived furth out in the cater. Like X-Brave's picture filled Nico on shit and lived some mom was doing pretty good. You know, Phil Negro, quite a reference. I hate that he played for the braids, bro. Yes, he did. And he lived there? Yeah, he lived out in the cater at the time.

Like that's really throwing me a knuckleball on. Yeah, the white flight happened. And that's when I wondered where all our white neighbors went. There were two white brothers I played with next door to my mom and I came home when they were just gone. I was like, damn. What the fuck happened to the homies then? I found that later about white flight.

I was like, the homies probably had the girlfriend for sight. That was not lit. But cocaine was something that I saw, not in the fucked up of foulacresy way. It was just a bunch of young artsy people running around my mom's house, coped up, free basin, having fun, party and dancing all weekend and shit.

And then I noticed like her wife friends were still able to kind of get up and go to work on Mondays. I was like all the black folks, sir. It's not, it's still here, my mom. This is not going as well for them. That's when I said cocaine probably shouldn't be something. No, it's, it is, that is the worst.

I said like a little while ago. And for your white cocuses, you guys turn assholes when you do it, so don't think it escapes that. Like, you know, I hate that three o'clock in the morning call from your co-cat, white homie, who's just like, man, I wanna fucking kill myself. I'm gonna fucking kill you. Man, I'm sitting outside, man, my girl's in there, man. I think she called a cold, I'm gonna fucking kill. Man, I'm sitting outside.

Man, my girl's in there. Man, I think she called a call. I hold on. Oh, oh, oh. She's not dead. Is she? No. I'm like, OK, OK, we can continue this conversation.

I wear a friend's with a guy like that. I'm in there. Because you're a musician. And your friend, even if you aren't the closest to friends, you just form friendships. Of course. And then your friend who's an amazing. That's amazing. You're such a man. You're like, you're like, you just form friendships. Of course. And then your friends who's an amazing... That's amazing.

You're like, I promise you. Comminions on it. I will never call you up in the middle of the night and be saying that. First of all, I'm just too old. I just can't happen at this point, which is, you know, kind of a relief. No, I just, I don't think Coke is different. There's just too much to like Coke, yeah. But the Coke era, that era was why you guys had to have an author.

See, I'm a celebrity in a very safe era. You can't say crazy shit to women, safe sexists. I think about the whole sexual career has been condoms for us. You know what I mean? We didn't get the fun raw dog in this shit. Like, you guys have, you were the last great era. You, my parents' area, you're the last great era.

You don't think a lot of people are having sex, raw dog at this point. I mean, now, you know, they kind of fell back on it, but we were scared as to. I think all the young people do the same thing. I'm sure I did it too, which is the first time you're with somebody, you know, like, we don't know each other, we need to use a condom.

And then after you fuck them once, you're like, well, I know you're not. Now that we know each other so well, I'm just not good friends. I don't know what. After all this time of an hour, the plan we're doing, I've still, I'm just plainly. We have a bond.

Only Damon and Pithius were closer than we are. What is your name? And you have a name. But yes, Coke, kids, whoever's... Don't do that. ...don't, that is worse than liquor. Because at least liquor is somewhat watched over. We know the ingredients are poison.

Yeah. But Coke, they can put anything in it and they do. It's never, I would love to know what pure cocaine is like, because I don't think it's like the drug we did in America. No, I don't, because yeah, because there's shit over here. Like by the time we as little kids start selling Coke, in terms of like trapping with T.O. to the world with trap music.

That was just whatever cocaine was supposed to be in a bunch of baby laksid. Yeah, but maybe yes, baby laksid, which is why I used to put my diapers. Yeah. Baby laksid, if you're lucky, and then when you get to drugs like acid, Timothy Larry himself, you know,

who that is. No, Timothy. Okay, he was the guy who introduced acid in the 60s. He was a Harvard professor. Yes. Who he said tune in, turn on, drop. I've seen that picture of him with that. Yes, he was quite a counterculture hero to many, but you know, it did some sketchy things, I think, but I knew him at the end of his life. He was a lot of fun, and wise, you know, I mean, he was on to something, and there hasn't been acid, what he did is acid, since almost the 60s. He said there was this one batch made by this one guy. It's very hard to make, Al's Lee, I think, and like the one, the Beatles, and Dylan, and everybody did, and the 60s said there was this one batch made by this one guy. It's very hard to make. Elzli, I think, was the, and like the one, the Beatles,

and Dylan, and everybody did in the 60s. He said, you know, because a jar of it was like thousands of hits. It's one drop, you know, acid. And he said, whatever your think is acid, it's just what somebody made. It's speed plus some, you know, ketamine or whatever. I don't know what that is. See, that's why I've bought it until I did it.

No, it's terrible. I think this kid's name might have been Steve. I took Washington high, so I went to Frederick Douglass and I took drivers at it and watched you, too. He was looking for weed and couldn't get weed at whatever part of North Fulton he lived. It was easy for me to get weed in my neighborhood. And then he started telling me about what David do.

I said, so what the fuck, you know, y'all doing up there? They were doing acid shit like that. And he had told me about his kid who was a skater and they skated with a bunch of what was stamped for tabs and his back pocketed. And potentially you wouldn't from what the story said soaked into him. Say the kid got all fucked up thought he was an origin. Jake they had to fucking commit them. That was all I need to hear. I was like, yeah, I'm never doing that shit.

Lots of cool after after alcohol made me sick and the McDonald's parking lot. I was like, yeah, I'm never doing that shit. I was like, oh, cool. After alcohol made me sick and the McDonald's parking lot, I was like, this ain't for me. I didn't smoke weed at first because even I tried it with my friends, I smoked a little in high school just to be cool with the homies, but I didn't smoke weed

or become a stoner until I smoked with big boy. When they were, when outcast was recording. Oh, man. All right, different mirror. He, they put me over to change my Oh, man. All right, they're from your, he, they put me over to change my life, M&D, you know, and DJ Swift, like they changed my life. This guy, is that right? They, they, they were mentors too,

when you were coming up, that's right. Yeah, my first record, I was big boy. He's little brother James and his veteran C-Lo's punk, punk ass on, boy. I remember when they were, you, Vegas. You, you, man, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, punkass on the way. I remember when they were the biggest. Yeah. Man, and then they were just... They were just...

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then 10 years ago, they won the album in a year. You got rappers argued about even being nominated. Yeah. They made... Mrs. Jackson was like a very big crossover,

like maybe the biggest record of that year. That one. That one. That one was so dope. And so good. And it's so poignant. And like every baby's father in the world fell down. So, and you still friendly with them? You still see that?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they're like, like, you know, when I say someone or call someone brother, you know, even if I haven't talked to you in 20 years, like I still see your review that way. And we happen to talk big and I talk very often, as way. And we happen to talk, big and I talk very often, as we're still in the same city, Dre and I talk often. So Dre is out here making movies, and he plays a flute now,

and he does some other cool shit. He's rich as fuck. That's what I call white folks rich. So they ain't like they gotta be on the scene. I got to be able to go to the flying with me last year and that was fun. Oh. That was fun, that's fun. I well, you know, anytime you need a wingman,

I got you. I think they asked about you. Who does? I'm from the owners of the girls. DJ? Really? Yeah, it means something, man. You coming through there meant something.

Oh. Well, I mean, it was the front of this time, ever. I took a couple of athletes by there who are, you know, the teams tell them, don't go in that kind of shit. I get them in the back door, let them have a good time, let them see. You know, it's just a black neighborhood. It's just a, it's just a regular middle class.

I am, I am in. Yeah. It's like Tony, if you've asked Tony to pronto. It's like, it's like the bottom being. Like it's just like it's the neighborhood spot. Exactly. That's it. Nothing more than nothing less.

Yeah. And the guys who own it not even guys. So that's the beautiful part. People just can't help themselves from just making stupid shit out of, I mean, it's just, it's like when people try to say to black people that they're wearing. You guys though,'s like when people try to say to black people, they're like, you guys don't,

you're not afraid to go to Stone Mountain? You're like, where there's a 95% black stone mountain is that mountain that, it's a mountain mountain. It's the hill that they have to confederate generals carved in. Right? Of course. Now, it used to be a predominantly white enclave. You know, I'm sure some people had had the lineage all be back in the Confederacy.

Now it's just a bunch of black people. But not just regular black folks. Immigration from across the world, the diaspora is there, East Africans there, Caribbean into there, West Africans are there, high Indian populace. You got all these people, it's one of the most diverse cities in Georgia. So when people act at land, it's like, you are as afraid of what the fuck are we gonna see?

Our cousins from from from from from from from. And the people there, I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong, that right, B? I'm guessing that the people there look at the mountain or if I've seen it, and are like, yeah, that's wrong and what's for dinner? Yeah, you know, like, okay.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, what would they do? They would demolish and get hard to take down a statue, but hard to take down a mountain. Yeah, I've heard people, there is a running suggestion from butter ATL shots out to that website. They're a really cool kid named Brandon Stargate. There's a push to put outcast on the side of it

in like, Usterloops. That's what you do. Just change the features. Now, tell me to the scene right as Stonewall Jackson or to that view, Mason. I honestly just, man, I'm more concerned with that the next 20 years of city contracts to make sure some black contractors can get it. That's what, you know, I like to see a guy named Omar Ali get more contracts than I would necessarily care to argue over in my surgical stuff.

Because the practicals get changes. Have you ever seen or been to Mount Rushmore? No, I'm not going to buy one. Well, but so, I thank you for that. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. Hey, have you ever seen or been to Mount Rushmore? No, I'm not going to. Well, but so, thank you, Jesus. No, I would be upset if you had. Uh, many Yellowstone in, um, the rank hanging.

But I have. So what do you think? It was so interesting. I was doing a HBO special that year was 1995, and it was in Minnesota, and I wanted to go somewhere with my girlfriend at the time after, and we took a little vacation to the heartland, because we thought it was corny, too. And it was, but it was also sort of like, sweet in a way. You know, I mean, like, Mount Rushmore, I was was just thinking if they even tried to do it today,

now of course it's pointless. There's no reason to do it in the first place. Let's put that right on the table. But the fact that in the depression, they were able to like, muster the amount of organizational skill, courage and engineering and get it done in a reason amount of years.

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And introduced me, Roxanne Chante, the man, the first generation who wanted to dub his female rappers and rappers ever. My mom was going to New York to party and hang, probably to do deals. And met Roxanne Chante right before she went upstate, I think, what come up from a foster care facility. And she gave me a signed picture of her.

That was just a real picture, not like a headshot and a record. And I told her that. And when they premiered a movie, I mean, she cried like fuck. She cried, I cried. I was like, man, I'll drug dealers ain't bad. My mom, of course not. I'm fine.

Well, your generation, so your generation, I hate that you guys lose hope because you were the hope field. It's because I had this cool, last young mother who was willing, I told her I wanted to be a rapper. And she's like, yeah, fuck it. You can be a fucking rapper. Let's do it. You're going to go to her fresh fast.

And man, we've lost that hope. You know it's like. So you're not encouraged yet. That's awesome. Because usually when kids say something about going into show business, it's like, oh, let's hope it's a phase. He gets over and then he comes to his senses

and will sell Kenny Shoes for the rest of his life. That is what makes a person. So, you know, that was my bio day. Like, whereas when I was thinking about becoming a comedian, that's all I was doing, thinking about it, because I was too afraid to say it out loud to anybody. I thought, first of all, unless you are a comedian, you're just gonna be mocked.

I remember one the first year my post-college life, and I was living in New York in a shitbox, and was home for Christmas. And at one point I had to, my parents were like, well, you're at a college and you're having told us what you do. You know, because I didn't ask for, you know, I was very prideful. Yeah.

You know, so no money. I was selling pot. Yeah, that was how I was selling pot. That was how I was getting my... Of course. College and the first couple years of comedian, I mean that was essential to my... That's beautiful.

You know, not the kid should try it that way. Anyway, well, it's really, it's like a fling of... Yes, it's a little real deal. A little real deal. A little bit, oh, absolute. Man, it's good to know I'm in a league. It's a solid strategy. Oh, yes.

Oh, no, no. I, it's good to know I'm in a league. It's a small authority. Oh, yes. Oh, no, no. I mean, I had, thank God for that to keep me afloat. You know, when... You have a drug deal as with a bouchie, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, by the time you get to the end of the deal, or saying it all, you're fucking weed joke, isn't as funny as the first one of the year.

So you got that about you. He's the fuck out of here. Give me my 100 bucks. He's the fuck out of here. Give me my 100 bucks. Here's your ounce. Yeah, that just looks like. No, I wasn't hard to get customers. I mean, college kids, come on.

And then comedians, like being in the club was perfect. Yes. Like, you know, the bass player in the house band was a good customer. And before Imentioned Richard Belzer still owes me about $1,200. Let's pay a raise, don't be a dick, let's get him. That's okay.

Just may have paid. Richard Belzer, such a magnificent comedian, and was a mentor to me. Yeah. Like, he was like the big act when I got there, and he kind of took me under. Y'all are a real community. I've really, so I got to shout he kind of took me under. Y'all are a real community. I've realized some of them.

So I got a shout out like Ryan Davis is a brilliant young comedian coming up and Ryan is my friend. I've met him, I found him on Instagram, followed him and we just built the friendship. Like Ryan comes to the land, he comes to my house, stay as long as he needs to. But this motherfucker has walked me like into

between him and my friendship with Dave Shapale. I've got a chance to kind of be in y'all's community. You can just kind of shut the fuck up in the corner. Hey, you guys are an amazing community. In terms of willingness to help one another teach, learn, and you unlike rappers. You know, rappers make the songs the best fucking record. Fuck you, me and y'all like, I did.

You know, and the whole time on the inside, you're like, man, God damn, this is shit. But you guys put your insecurities out with yourself in the front of the people. I told Ryan, I said, I wanna do this shit. He's like, if you come to my show, then I'm gonna put you on stage. And I'm like, nah, he's like, nah, I'm for real.

And he put me on stage, I did it, let me mess it, what you think, guys, where you say you funny, you should have did five, right? I saw, I was like, okay, I gotta, what you think, I thought, where you say you funny, you should do five. Right, I saw all of a sudden, I was like, okay, I got a gold of five, but TIP recently took up comedy. TIP and started doing it. And it's, yeah.

And your community, the community has really shown a lot of love to rappers that have popped. And it's not like, you think you're gonna ever be. Mike, you got, you're told me this in Atlanta. Remember, and I said, I think, first of all, you think you're gonna ever be. Mike, you told me this in Atlanta. Remember, and I said, I think first of all, you're an antelope. Oh, yeah. You know, and that you should do it.

And just tell me how I can help. Yeah. Am I gonna sit a dry? I kid, you know, from Kidding's life, you know, Chris, right? He was, I kind of started him and because I could tell, he's, you know, hysterical. And he has made a great living, you know, the kid in play actually play a lot of dates now, too.

Yes. But there was a time when they were kind of wandering in the wilderness. And, you know, he's a fantastic comedian. And he was on my Hawaii tour this year. And, you know, because the same thing with rappers, you know, sometimes people are in professional comedians so you go, oh, they could be. Yeah.

There's a couple of actors that way, like Tom Hanks, is not a stand-up comedian, but he could be. Got you. You know, Michael Keaton was. Really? Yeah, absolutely. And you can kind of see that. But you can tell when people like some actors who just

or some singers, they're just mouthing the word, not mouthing, they feel they amote, but they can't. They're not like, you know, a lot of performers are just, it's very, their intelligence is very artistic and instinctive, but I feel like rappers in the comics has to be a lot going on up there. May not be savoring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like rappers and comics has to be a lot going on up there. Many other people's savoring. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But a lot of them. Something. And there's dumb comics too, and I'm sure dumb rappers, but basically, there's a lot of energy that you have to excess something with, and we make it our art. Yeah. That's where it is. something with and we make it our art. Yeah, you know, that's really good. I mean, how do I, how have I always from the beginning written material

by doing this? I never once, maybe once tried to sit with a yellow pad and purposely, it's like, no, what comes out when I'm like doing this with my friends? Luckily, I'll remember something, some of it that moves good. Yeah, you know, if I had a nickel for every like good when I left on the floor, because I was like,

I'll remember that in the next day like, ah, like what were we talking about? Outcast DJs like that, DJ cut master Swift. Swift is, Swift was born a comedian. I pray, I pray that I'm just like any show I booked that's near where I can put you as a co-host right now You're gonna be there. Let's put together a comic

Rapp Super Show I do it in a heart You're right, and you can do yeah, you can do time, you know comic time and then That would be actually a pretty good show. I have figured it out or we're very high That would be actually a pretty good show. I have to figure that out. Or we're very high. I can't be that. I know with studios I can pull it off. I camp a Jacksonville that lay on it.

Let's be asked me out. Let's do it on the moon. Let's have a comic rap show on the moon. You can't alone deal with that promoted. And let's watch that documentary on the fire first. I don't want to get up to the moon, and there's no toilet. Why haven't you done a cartoon yet? A cartoon?

Yeah, man. For the venom you have for children, you've been amazing. I do not have venom for children. Well, you don't have a lot of eye care to involve myself with. Oh, that's totally true. I want them nowhere near me. That's that's right.

That would qualify. That's a venom. That's totally true. I want from nowhere near me. That's not really right. That was qualified. That's just personal. No, no, no, no. That's just not venom, Mike. That's personal taste. Gotcha. Gotcha. You know, I mean, how are your kids?

That's what I meant to ask you. But you know what I mean? My children are great. My children, I have a... I want the kids, right. They're great. That my kids let me know, that, hey, man, your kids get all your personality, not just the parts you want. No, right? They're great. My kids let me know that, hey, man, your kids get all of your personality,

not just the parts you really want. No, how are they? I have 27-year-old boy named Malik. I have a 24-year-old, doing a name Anaya. I have a 19-year-old boy named Pony Boy who we're waiting to kidney for. So you guys make sure that you're donating kidneys out there. He's on dialysis and just a trooper.

He calls the check on me. I was scared to tell, you know, how it affected my ecology. I mean, from a psychological standpoint, and then I realized he was still smoking weed and banging chicks for a while. And I had to say all he can't. You can't bang, but you can't be smoking weed.

He's son. But he's good. And he has a 14 year old sister who played her first year of JB Ball and we all cheer for and talk shit to, you know. Wow. So 27 to 14. Yep.

I started as a kid. I should not have been having children. Do not have children with teen. I, I, I, I, you're talking. Yeah. But, you know, I feel like when are you gonna do it? Like, when am I gonna talk to it? You got to do it.

Oh, sweet. You got at least do like the rich white Hollywood people thinking like a top of black child. Sweetheart, if I had a, if I got to do it. You got to do it. You got to at least do the rich white Hollywood people thinking like a doctor black child. Sweetheart, if I had a, if I got someone pregnant tonight, yeah, and I'm going to try. No. I mean, I'd be like 82 when they could get out of high school

or something, is it? You don't ever get compelled to just go like adopt a kid, like a, like, just, man, fuck it out of half. You don't like it, you know? No. It would have you know? No. It would have hit me by now. I'm 66. I mean, and by the way, in life, you see,

as you're old enough to know, who traveled on the path of life. Yeah. Some things change radically, and there are turns in your life, right? With this one, me and not liking kids, it is a steady line like... All the way through it, you know, is it's as flat as the earth, according to, okay, so... Yeah.

I wish more, I wish more, I tell my children, and I tell my boys in particular, don't have kids. I had a good one. We've done, and my tell my boys in particular. I don't have kids. I had a good one. And my girls just they laughed. I didn't like kids when I was a kid. Yeah, really. I didn't watch cartoons.

I thought cartoons were childish when I was like, Really? Yes. I've heard you say it about comic books. I went on comic books also stupid. I would never read them. I would only watch film shows like Superman or the three stooges that I felt was up to my level of sophistication when I was five.

That's a good all. Cartoon, my friends still make fun of me. They're like, mention some cartoon character and they're like, well, who's, you know, I don't know. The crazy shit about the film is. Daffy Duck and I'm like, he's a duck, I know that, and that's it. You could get so much more in with a cartoon. I, as a kid, I like cartoons. I like my family guy.

My boyfriend's talking about it. But before you get there, like, you can get things to Animaniacs and Pinkie and the Brain could do that regular TV couldn't do at the time it can't do now. In terms of the messages they could say. You know Aaron McGritter? I talked to Aaron two days ago. Hopefully I'll get to see him while I'm out here. Yeah, I really, I really want to see him.

So, so Boom Docs, my Brad Boy, who's a former Fullton County prosecutor and later a judge that really helped a lot of kids get there, their life straight. Brad is a friend and mentor of a master's, I was like 15. Brad comes in, I was sat on a board, I was on the children's section of a board, called the Atlanta Fools Commission on Children and Youth.

And Brad and I were sat on the same board together. And Brad brought a newspaper, because he would come to our Thursday meetings. So the other adult saws once a month or a quarter. Brad was see being every Thursday. We really built a great relationship. He said, he put a piece of paper and he said, tell me what you think of this.

And he brought it in the next couple of weeks and not. And before you know it, I was hooked on it. And I was telling Aaron that I recognized that the people who read the paper, the strip, the comic strip, like, you may have read the comic strip, were different from the audience that watched the TV show.

And he was talking about how times have changed and just like how people on them stand, you can't just slap that show back on television. Justin, a new one, she has to rethink. It was amazing to me how much thought he puts into it and how much he cares. And I've seen this like resurgence of it, like my 14 year old knows the show

and now wears the hoodies. Now they're selling, you know, you can go to anywhere and play you can buy Nike. It was, it's, it's, it's a state of the art. Yeah, it's crazy, right? So cartoons, I think have the potential,

which is why, like my, my non bio dad introduced me. My dad was a police officer for a short time, but he was built to be that. Like, he struck, he really stood up when a military. But, you know, he had children at, but he was built to be that. He really should have went in military. But you know, he had children at 19, shouldn't have in the 19.

He should have went, he had made a great soldier, but he's very structurally had to be his dad, his dad died when he was 10. My non-violet dad, his dad lived until I was in the second grade. My grandpa was the one to work for a whole steel. His dad allowed his boys just to be counted as boys. So my dad was there to fucking toy cars, puzzles, comics. And it was because I had these two different kind of men

in my life that gave me like a year in a year. The real kind of heroic qualities that other kids would have to find in places that weren't savory. I had right there in front of me and the two guys. And my non-biodeant let me read comics. Now, when we went to the comic store, it was don't see the like 70s, 80s book stores. So I'm in the comic section of Das von Poorn.

He still gets some comic books, but I'm just like, I was like, that's when you're getting the fucking playboys. You know what I'm saying? So I really got a freedom of that, but I started to see the same type of morality plot talk that my grandmother would read in the Bible, what the Samson did lie to me.

Was kind of the same thing I was seeing in Poison Ivy and Batman. And I got, I started as a kid, what I was able to do was kind of see what, what, what, what, that, their commonalities in human literature in terms of love, hate, romance, that type of thing. You saw it in there?

I saw it in there. I saw it in comics early. You know? That's interesting because I've heard people say things like that before. Yeah. You know, I could understand how you'd miss it too. But you know, as a kid, that's what it is. I just feel like it's appropriate when you're a kid.

It's just not appropriate when you're an adult because like, I've heard people. Okay. Like, yes, when you're a kid, but I've heard people... Okay, like, yes, when you're a kid, but I've heard people say like, because I got into trouble once, you know, with Twitter and those people, when I said blog, you're something about Stan Lee,

when he died, you know, it wasn't mean about Stan Lee, it was just saying, you know, are we making kind of a big deal about a guy who wrote comic books? And it was like, Bill, like 40,000 Twitter followers, immediately dropping. Like more than for any other issue. So, and they were like, Bill, you know, I learned everything about social justice

from the comic books. I'm like, great, but now you have pubic hair. You know, Reed James Baldwin, you could do it in you know, you could do it in an adult way. One of my favorite art. Right. I mean, you know, I mean, the plot of the Godfather is resolved differently than the plot of a comic book movie. Yeah. It's not with people shooting rays out of the end of their fingers. Yeah, I can say I can't defend the movies as much. Logan, I thought was incredible. I like the last Avengers, but the movies, the movies P.G. and dumb down a lot of what I feel

like the illustrated novels give me. Let me say that. I didn't like all comics, I just liked, you know? Well, who I liked. Also, you know what, I mean, there's like, what are they calling them now? There's something that's like in between a comic book and a real book.

With the illustrated novels. Is that what it is? Okay. I mean, I'm sure that there are more, I thought, yeah, there were some sophisticated in a comic book, right? Yeah. Okay.

I mean, in some comic books, like, you know, I've always been a little more head-y too. Methic man is a reader of comics, and an expert. You should. Everybody is, but me. I'm just, I don't know. I don't know what a comic book is. I'm just, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm, I'm,

I'm things I just fucking feel like they it's not be about. And you walk and kiss my ass. I mean, I don't really give a fuck to you away. A very comic, a person who reads them and you like them. What?

I do stupid things. Just, I feel about reality television. I don't watch that either. Oh no, really? I don't give a shit. television. I don't watch that either, but you know. Oh, no. I don't give a shit. No. I don't give a fuck. No, I don't feel cast-free.

But maybe sometimes. I have to amend that. There is a show that you're going to talk to people. I'm going to punch me. It's called Temptation Island. I know. I'm talking about it on my, on real time, really. You don't escape it though, you know that.

I know. I know. That part of your brain that needs some ratchet shit. It's just, you don't escape. So temptation. I love it. It's like 90 day fiance or cheated. No, it's better than that.

It's like, I'm going to say, you know, it's Mark Wahlberg. Okay. Not that one. The other, okay. He host it. And like, I know. I know. I know. I this is like a, you know, it's Mark Wahlberg.

Okay, not that one, the other, he owes it. I'm like, I'm gonna say for a job that is like, you know, this is a step above playing piano in a whorehouse. What? Ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he He doesn't so well. He's a hosker in a whorehouse. But he does it so well. I swear to God, there is a skill in an art to being the host of Temptation Island. It could be done badly.

So it's not that. It's not that. It's not that. Never get a Kennedy Center honor for this. I mean, this is a overlooked video. He catapies, join the club. But yeah, it's, he does the job really, really well. And the premise.

What's he doing? Well, the premise is they take four couples. Oh, have been together for a long time, so that they're appropriately tired of each other. Okay. And then bring them to an island, temptation island, where the women are separated and go to live in one house

with a bunch of hot guys, and the guys live in a house with a bunch of hot women, so they're tempted, and then they go on dates with these people, and they literally almost prop up their penis and say, here it is. So we see what happens. The four couples, you know, and they, of course, they're evil.

They film your date with the person who's tempting you. Show it to the other person. It's like, rock fighting, you know? It's like, it is hilarious. And then, like, at the end, it is who stays together, who broke up, like, this last season, there was a guy who lasted like one day. I mean, he got to that house with the chicks and he was like,

you know what? I'm not gonna make it through this anyway. I'm most we get laid on the first night. You know, other people make it all the way through because they resist temptation on temptation island. Again, I don't know why I'm like promoting this show. He said, you asked me about guilty pleasures. I mean, we all got to go. Damn, I'm not gonna watch this. Well, I think I'm back to my real job.

Oh, I love your respect, sir. All right, thank you so much for doing this. I did it. We're having dinner. We having dinner, come back. I'm trying to do it. I'm doing it. Do you need this?

No, I'm fine. I got it. Hey, you. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it No, I got it. And your drug dealer friend gave me a lot of the money for it. It's a legitimate business in California. Thank you. you