Club Random with Bill Maher - Stephen A. Smith | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

Bill Maher and Stephen A. Smith randomly riff on the thickness trend with women, why Stephen A. thinks Kyrie Irving was wrong, the two sports Stephen A. and Bill don’t care about, the greatest sportscasters ever, their mutual love of Barry Bonds, why athletes’ bodies are so much more fragile today and why they are babied so much more, the title of Bill’s imaginary book about medicine, Ali getting sent to Vietnam, why basketball players touch even after a missed free throw, and why Stephen A. doesn’t get married

Clown, man. I am thrilled you're here. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. What can I get you? Well, first of all, you already got it for me. I got the head of seeing a coke right here. Oh, okay.

They told me. They said, help yourself. So, I helped myself. I love when people are exactly who they are on TV. Like when you said that, it was like, oh, good. I'm glad he's that guy. Yes, I am. Be you.

It cannot get more down and dirty than Club random? Right. I hope you feel comfortable here. I do you. I'm good. I'm good. It's a good space, isn't it? It is, it's nice. I can smell it.

I mean, podcasts usually are like, I feel like deadly sort of serious. Yeah, I mean, you're just looking, you know. Yeah, and... Well, it can be the lines, then, for people that don't, don't either don't have anything to say, or scared to say what they really, really want to say, but if neither apply...

Well, I know you're not that kind. That's right, you write about that. So, and so you have a drink? Yes, sir. Can I get you anything else? No, I'm good. You know, I'm a water here. I got a drink. Play with the whankey weed. Yes, sir. Can I get you anything else? No, I'm good. You know, I'm a boy here. I got a play with the wacky weed.

Now you do it. No, I know I can't. I don't need your, there you go. I don't say it. I trust me. That's right. But like, that was never a thing for you. It was never a thing for me.

I know it. Growing up in New York, my friends, family, stuff like that. Of course, I had quite a few friends and family members who smoked a lot of weed and stuff like that, but it was never me. I was a step into it. I grew up in Howlers, Queens, right up the block for Rundy MC, Jam Master J, about five minutes away from LL Cool J.

You're looking at football, boy. One of my favorite records is doing it well. That's right. It's one of, it's... Represent Queens, he was made out of Brooklyn. my favorite records is doing it well. That's right. It's one, it's... Represent Queens, he was made out of Brooklyn. And I always found that, like, it's such a sexy record, maybe a second or almost none.

Yeah. He's made quite a few. Paradise, phenomena. Yes, but this one is particularly, I just love it. And the whole thing, it's like sexy, sexy, sexy. And then I'm from Queens and Jesus from Brooklyn. To me, Oyes like made me laugh. It just seemed to like come out of left field.

But what does that have to do with this fantastic fucking that you're doing? Yeah. Queens and Brooklyn. Well, if you grew up in New York City, I know. Here's the deal. In Hollis, I'm gonna just be real with you.

It wasn't really a lot of girls. They were in farmers. They were's the deal. In Hollis, I'm going to just be real with you. It wasn't really a lot of girls. They were in farmers. They were in the Bronx. They were in Brooklyn. They were in other sections of Queens, New York. But Hollis, that's not where you went to if you was looking for your girlfriend. They go, you just, it just wasn't what it meant.

And this is because why? The prettier girls were win other areas. US, I mean, that was just the truth. I mean, my sisters will go just but I can't speak for everybody else. I went to Cornell in the 70s. That was not a feast for a heterosexual male. I mean there were places we find ourselves in. That's right. And it is funny, like, you know, a good look to a woman is like, it's a double-edged sword. Because? Well, what does that mean? Well, I mean, it's, look, I, well, first of all, pretty girls are always complaining.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So there is bad, like, you know, you're a lot of, you know, the lowest say, I can't leave the house without getting hit on all the time. Like, boo fucking ho. You know, would you rather be a plain girl? And no, the answer, no. Okay. You know, because, you know, we can ugly you up.

That's right. But I tell you this, I tell you this too. I learned that beauty was in the eye to hold the one I was growing up and one of my best friends name was Pooley. His name was Rodney Cowan, but his nickname was Pooley. Everybody in the neighborhood knew him as Pooley. You could put Beyonce right in front of Pooley

and Pooley would look at you and go like this. What the hell am I supposed to do with that? Because if you were not 250 pounds minimum with blah, blah hanging off your arms and sell your light everywhere, and you weren't big enough to tilt a small car. Pooly was not interested in you. You were entirely too small.

What is that? What the fuck is that? With the love, I mean, it all of America now loves bigness. It's not my jam, and I'm not hating on it. To me, it's just oh, I'm hating on it. I'm hating on it, because I feel first of all, it's not healthy.

Okay. And second of all, it's tilting everyone toward this, you know, like, girls think it, you know, it's better to have a giant ass, and I'm not into a giant ass. Well, I'm not gonna deny. I do like, I do like some big booty guy in my life. Right, and, you know, there's almost a man to talk about. And this was always something in the black community, am I right? For the most part. And then like every, there are exceptions for the most. Right, but mostly right, that was where it originated.

And then like everything else, the white people in this upper stolen, because now, I mean, every girl wants a big booty. I mean, this, it a big booty. I mean, this... It is vastly appreciated by Black men. Every Black man I know. Pretty much every Black man I know. That's what we like.

And, but I'm saying, when I was a kid, when I was growing up and I was in adolescence, the last thing a girl wanted was a big ass. They wanted to be... See, I have no experience with that. Right. I've never, I've never been around a black woman that didn't want to have an... No, I'm just saying that this phenomenon of every girl wanting a big ass must have

come as very welcome news to a lot of white chicks eating hawkendas. Right. Because like... Who cares? This is... Well listen, what happened is I think that, listen, women are competitive just like everybody else. And you've seen, what I've seen over the years,

and with a lot of the white women that I have encountered, they've seen, they've seen black girl sisters with voluptuous figures, and they said, excuse me, yeah, I want that because I want to compete with them. And they have no regard, no fear, whatsoever competing with the sisters. For black men, I've seen it before.

Not with everybody, of course, but I've seen it. But you said a minute ago that your friends are like, yes, big. You said that wasn't your thing. No, no, I said it was his thing. Oh, it's always been. My thing, big one that have not been my thing. That's his thing.

I've always liked the voluptuous one, meaning that somebody with a big booty, no doubt about it. I'm still that way. I'm pretty pretty. Big booty, but not big everything else. Yeah, you got it. I see what you're doing.

Pulling, want you big, everywhere. I ain't. He wants you taking up two seats on the plane. Right. And if you're not, he's not interested. He's not interested. Halle Berry, Beyonce, J.Lo, the list goes on and on. Meg de Stavion, Polly, look at them.

What am I supposed to do with that? They do small. So he wants Lizzo. Yeah. And she might be too small. No. She might be too small. Okay. This is I'm telling you the truth Okay, I'm believing you. Yeah, I'm just saying yes, Mrs. Robinson this conversation is getting a little

I don't want to oh God. Yeah, okay. I you know, there is a health factor here. I agree. They're just as I agree especially in the day and age you mean I don't know what you thought of like the athletes who didn't want to get vaccinated and I don't want to get into a big fight about it because I will. Okay. But I was on their side because health is a case by case basis. And when you're a finely tuned athlete with a body that is perfect because you, that's your living. You put in that body only what you want to put on to keep that instrument. That is your instrument. The idea that joke of it was going to hurt anybody or Aaron Rogers and oh my gosh, Kyrie Irving, I mean, clutch my pearls. I was, I thought,

bully for you guys first and especially Kyrie Irving gave up a lot of money, although he'll get it back because he can play now, right? Yeah, he can play now, he can get the money back now. Not the money he lost. But it's only about 17, 18 minutes. Well, he's gonna play this year in no respect. He's gonna play to, this year in no respect.

Yeah, well, no respect. Okay, about 39 million this year. Okay, right now. He's gonna play to this year. No, but no, no, she's right. Okay, this is about 39 million this year. Okay, so he has, okay, 38 million. And then, so he has a great year, which I bet he will. Which he will, he's spectacular. Okay, he has spectacular. Yes.

So, after a great year, he's having it, you're gonna have an Aaron Judge year. Yeah. Then, they could offer him another big contract. So, he will have both his integrity for standing up to the mob, who wanted to insist he'd do something to his own body that he didn't want to do.

And he will have the money. Okay, you say we gonna fight about this. Okay, so let's fight about it. Let me be very clear. I don't disagree with you. That's not much of a fight. I'm getting it. I'm getting it.

So get to the point. Yeah, it's your body. And somebody is trying to tell you what to inject into your body. I didn't like it. I was very reluctant and hesitant about getting vaccinated. Me too. But obviously, we did. We did.

We did. Very, very clear. You know, you want to work here in these corridors. Exactly. You need to do that right. Exactly with me. That's right. Here's where I held it against Kyrie. It had nothing to work here in these courtrooms. Exactly. You need to do that right. Me, right. Exactly with me. That's right. Here's where I held it against Kyrie.

It had nothing to do with the unvaccinated or being unvaccinated in my mind. What bothered me is that you are a superstar on a team that is a championship contender. And everybody is there because of you. Kevin Durant is in Brooklyn because of you. James Harden at the time was in Brooklyn because of you. Kevin Durant is in Brooklyn because of you. James Harden at the time was in Brooklyn because of you. Everybody's there.

It's still his body. I understand that. But I understand that. Well, I'm saying to you, it's your right. But I'm thinking about it from a competitive perspective. A lot of dudes in the NBA didn't want to do it. But you playing for a champion. Okay, but you can pile up a mountain of,

right, there is a mountain over there of reasons. That's all it was to me. But there's no going back from your body. It's your body, it's inside your body. And look, if I really thought, the, first of all, everything in medicine is playing the odds. Because we just don't know that much. I agree, even though they think they do. is playing the odds because we just don't know that much

even though they think they do. Yeah, they do, but they don't know. So since we're playing the odds, I played them with this vaccine because nobody can realistically look you in the eye and say we are a million percent sure. There's just no doubt that no harm can come. And I'm talking about down the road.

And there have been, of course, there've been many people who've had a reaction all medicines, high-reaction. I don't hold that against vaccines. Yes. We know that about all drugs. I hold against the people who like pretend that we can't even talk about that, but we can.

And I know, anecdotally, we all know people who got the vaccine and had some reaction, some minor, some not some minor. Most people did not, and that's the way vaccines work. It just more proof to me that our bodies are all individual. Some people, it does have an effect on, it does weird things.

Some, most people, it doesn't. Okay, that's fine. If I didn't think, if I thought it was like really deleterious and my body couldn't withstand it or 20 years from now, my gall blood is gonna fall out of my ass because of this thing. I wouldn't have done it, but you can't ever tell me that there's not some chance of that. or 20 years from now, my gall blood is gonna fall out of my ass because of this thing. I wouldn't have done it, but you can't ever tell me

that there's not some chance of that. And I, and especially, mean the down the road stuff. That was always my thing with vaccines, down the road. Yes, I know they work at the time, mostly, not always, but yes, they do what they're supposed to do. Lots of drugs do what they're supposed to do, antibiotics do what they're supposed to do. They also have a very deleterious effect on you.

Chemotherapy works. Well, you talk. So I'm just saying in 25 years, that vaccine that's in your body, in consequence with the million other things that we don't know how many X-rays you had, what do you eat, how many metals are in your body? Right. All these things could have a, we just don't know this. Cool. So I don't want to get cancer in 20 years. I didn't want to get COVID, but I would have rather have taken my choice. Mm-hmm.

Would have been rather to have risk COVID with this pathogen. Another one that was more dangerous, I'd make a different decision. Mm-hmm. Versus, I don't know, I'm trying to keep myself as pure as I can for cancer argument. Well, let me look at it this way. Let me retort with that.

First of all, Bill Maher says that, Bill Maher, and says he's looking things up and he's researching stuff and what have you. Chances are people are going to believe you. A lot of times he's happy to say, let me take some time and he do my research. You ain't doing a band-damn bit of research. Yeah, that's number one.

So let's get that out. Let's just get that way. And line that. Okay, that's number one. Number two, I brought up the championship element. That's number two, because that's a big deal with me, because 99% of the league is taking it and they've gone for the championship.

And you got one of the best teams in the league and they've assembled themselves in Brooklyn because of you and they signed up for it. That's something that you need to consider. That's just me. Number three, I had COVID. I was double vaccinated. I hadn't taken the booster shot yet. Damn thing almost killed me because I had an endoscopy prior to the acquiring COVID. I had doubled them on. Y'all in the, new year's Eve, it's 90 minutes before the ball drop, and the doctor's looking at me and saying, we gonna try this steroid with this antibiotic,

if this doesn't work, we got to call your family, we probably gonna have to put you in the respirator, you're in pretty damn bad shape. It was that bad, okay? So I'm very, I understand where everybody's coming from and I get all of that, but I also say this to you. When it comes to professional athletes, you know how much stuff gets put in their body

that they have no damn clue whatsoever what it is. Not all of them, yes. You're talking about pain. I'm just, it could be medication, it could be, I mean, when you think about the anti-inflammatories they put in their body. They're really saying that Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, and I could name a lot of other guys,

and maybe not the majority of the league, and the people who don't have the power to get what they were, but guys like that don't put anything in their body. I feel you. I feel you, there's exceptions. I'm just, but there's exceptions. Those are the exceptions. I'm talking about the rule, and I'm saying to you,

you got a lot of cats, they're not doing that bill. And they go to surgery. They go to a hospital for special surgery, for example, in New York or whatever. And they've had these surgeries. You're asking a doctor about the anesthesia. They're asking them about the medication specifically that they've given you chances are no.

You're deferring to the expertise of the doctor before you make your decision. Which is exactly the approach I do not endorse. God. I, because right off the bat, what do they always say? Get a second opinion. Right. So I'm relying on a man who, another man who has the same medical degree.

What if you, what if you got a second and third opinion built in all three, said the same thing? What you or third opinion bill in all three said the same thing? What you're gonna do then? If all three said the same thing, that would be great because then it wouldn't be an issue. They would have to be three different doctors, not like all from the same office, things the same way.

I would not want to be the victim of group thing. But doctors vary greatly. Now they don't speak out because in this country, you're only allowed the one true opinion, especially about medicine. They will literally throw you off Twitter and show you for things that, you know, like doubting whether masks are effective.

It's like, are you kidding? Yeah. Not only should we a bid for a say it, it's true, they're not mostly effective. Not the cloth ones and blah, blah, blah. There's definitely some manipulation that's going on in that regard and an absenter. And it's tripping a free speech.

I definitely am with that. What you're describing where somebody is like, well, I'm just gonna put myself in the hands of the guy in the white coat, he knows everything, he's my doctor, I like him. Okay, good luck with that. That's not the way I wanna handle it. I wanna hear a lot of different opinions or at least a few.

Well, I always wanna hear a lot of opinions. What or at least a few. Well, I always want to hear a lot of opinions. What I'm saying to you is that every damn place I turned, they would tell me the same thing. Vaccination, vaccination, vaccination. I was here, now I saw people on TV that was seeing something different. But when I went into actual doctor's offices from C to Sinai and LA, that HSSN, New York,

to my personal doctor, what have you, and Long Island, I'm telling you, they were all saying the same thing. And so ultimately I would get to a point where I would be like, okay, what about this? I mean, you said you got it after two vaccinations. Two, yeah. So, I'm not saying that it didn't work the vaccine or anything. I'm not saying it.

I don't know. Well, obviously it didn't work on you. Right. Well, let's see what they said to me. I mean, what they said to me was. You both got it. I don't know. Well, obviously it didn't work on you. Well, let me tell what they said to me. I mean, you said what they said to me was you both got it and you're at a bad, you're alive because you were vaccinated. That's what they told me. I didn't know that.

Okay. First of all, we don't know that. I agree. We absolutely, maybe you would have had, not likely, but yes, possibly, you would have had a better chance without it because possibly you're kind of a person where you're a natural immune system, or this vaccine didn't agree with you in some way. And I think that's gonna be first,

and that because I was opened up, once I got COVID, I think that's what compromised. Yeah, of course. I mean, health is always, the reason why holistic is a meaningful term is because if you think that you can compartmentalize the human body, which is what we do, specialists, the kidney specialist and this specialist, but the body works in concert. All of it is coming into effect with all of the other parts of the body, so you can't,

it's misleading, and I'm not accurate. What I want to make sure you understand is that I'm acknowledging I don't know what I'm saying is that I don't know and yet I'm here in this situation on one hand that telling me because I was vaccinated that's why I'm alive and in my mind a part of me is saying well then when I was double vaccinated I said I never got the damn thing and certainly you should not have That's why I'm alive. And in my mind, a part of me is saying, well, then when I was double vaccinated, I said, I never got the damn thing. And certainly, you should not have gotten it bad. You know, it's like, it's so self-serving

and it's so in the bubble like, we're not gonna examine what the other possibility is. We're just gonna keep doubling down on our story, which is the vaccine is the only way for everyone, no questions asked. So if you get a horrible case, it would have been worse without it. Maybe. Can I ask you a question?

Maybe, and maybe not. When you say this thing, I don't know who's story. Who's story? Who's story? When you say it's this story, that's the narrative that's going on. I've told you about the Western medical establishment. I've got it. Got it.

The doctor, Fauci, is the world, an honorable man, a smart man, not a bad man, but a bureaucrat for many, many years. And, you know, group think it's out there, man. It infects everybody. Medicine is trendy, like everything else. You remember in the 80s, when they were saying, Carbo up, it was like loading, Carbo loading, everyone was eating carbs all the, it's ridiculous.

We would never do that. Yeah, they would do that now. It's crazy. They would do that now, but like you talked about it, you said groupthink. And the bottom line is the reason why you're so popular is because you think for you.

And so what happens is, is that whether I agree or disagree, when you say something, I'm opening up, when you say something I'm opening up, I'm researching, I'm thinking because I'm thinking about what you said because I know your thoughts are not bought and paid for. Unfortunately, we don't know where to head to turn. And I feel the exact same way about you.

Thank you. That's why I watch you. Because like sometimes, I mean, I certainly am a red-blooded American heterosexual and with, who was raised on, me, I was raised on, that's a little, and baseball and basketball. Not hockey, that's not American. Only thing I know about hockey is that the puck is black.

And that is cold and each arena. I don't know a damn thing else about hockey. Really? But I keep promising the commission again. I'm gonna go to a game with him. So you could keep your job and not know shit about hockey. Hell yes. That's bullshit. Oh wait a minute. Wait a minute. See that's the problem. That's got too many damn people lying about what the hell they know and they don't know. I don't know hockey and I don't know NASCAR. No, I'm not interested. Period. And I'm not interested.

I'm giving you props for that. Because usually, if I went in for a job or anybody in sports and they would say, so obviously you know about all the things we cover, which, I mean, you'd have to know, and all these other guys, I think, they know about women's softball. They know about all this shit. Please. No. I couldn't tell you a softball play in America right now.

No. All right, and it wasn't up until a few years ago that I could tell you NWNBA plays, but I'm proud of what they're doing. I just didn't know. I didn't know. Right, right, right. And that's your right, yeah.

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You might find this amusing. Bob Costa's tonight always had this running argument about steroids. Okay. I'm on them, he's not. No, right. No, no, that's a lot. No, no, no. You know, he's a purist and, you know, I mean, I love him. He were good friends and I think he's a... It's one of the greatest efforts. One of the greatest efforts.

One of the greatest efforts. I'm so glad to hear you say that. But I mean, you just gotta give it up for him. He's an idol. And I still watch him do games. You know, he still does games unlike the Major League Baseball Journal. He should be doing it until he's ready to drive.

And he does it on a level. I mean, I think the broadcast partner who doesn't understand half the references he's making, you know, he does a much more air you die calling of a game with jokes and what is his and some dry and never losing track of the game. Never, but okay, so my point of view, I'm listening especially during when the steroid thing

you know, Mark McGuire and Bob was like cheating and I get that and it's cheating. My point of view was first of all, it's entertainment, to see a guy jacked up and launch one That is cheating. My point of view was, first of all, it's entertainment, to see a guy jacked up and launch run, lead to a road triple Z next to the LaVitra sign. That's right, that's fantastic. When it's a pawn, like Barry Bonds was doing for use.

Yes. One of my favorite sports quotes, Barry Bonds, can I just be good? Yeah. Can I just, and he was also... That's your favorite quote. My favorite quote from him is, you still come in to see the show?

Mm-hmm. That was my favorite quote from him. I love Barry Barnes, and he could stop with the asterisks and... I saw him at the NBA finals, go to the state basketball. And I walked right up to him. He saw me, we had never met, gave me a big hug,

I hugged him back, yeah people, he's a cheetah and first words out of my mouth was kiss my ass. I went hit out. I said, this man was walking into the hall of fame before steroids, we ever became an issue. He was better than Maguire, He was better than Socher. He was better than them all in you guys, because they in 98 was trying to resurrect baseball

because the World Series had been canceled in 1994 and the fans were reluctant to come back to the support. Y'all rode their cocktails, received all of that money, all the ratings, all the popularity, okay? Then you want to bring up steroids after they deliver all of this for y'all. Right. Barry Bond said, oh, that's what we're doing, because I'm better than them now. But because they smack and hold runs, you think they're better than me.

Well, let me show you what I can do. And the brother went out there and was smacking hold runs all over the place, and y'all want to condemn him. But you can get back the money. You didn't get back the ratings. You didn't get back the revenue that the ratings generate. You didn't do any of that.

But you want to put an asterisk next to his name and then keep him out of the hall of fame and act like he never existed. But you didn't give any of that money back. I'm gonna repeat myself, they can kiss my ass. I don't want to hear that. Barry bonds one of the greatest ever. Ever. Ever.

I would say that in his, you know, athletes usually have a high noon from about 27 to 32. I think he, his was a little later, because I think he peaked a little later. Not that he was, he was a seven time MVP, right? I mean, okay, it's a base. He was sensational. I know, is that, but when he was at his prime,

which I think later into the 30s, I don't think there ever has been a hit or as dangerous. Like, never. Right. Listen, here's, let me give you a piece of evidence, sports. Something came out called the Mitchell Report. When they had all these guys that supposedly used performance and answer drugs. A, Barry Barnes was not on that list of the Mitchell report.

B, 103 names were on the report. C, none of them hit 73 whole runs of the same size. Well, I mean, we're not pretending he wasn't on steroids. That's right. I know that. You could see him how skinny he was. Right. And then, you know, one year he came into camp, he was a lot heavier and he said, you know, I'm out of shape. But who puts on weight in the mandible?

That's right. How about that? How about that? You're absolutely right. But I'm just saying. Okay. As 103 names, all I'm saying is none of them hit 73 homes. And I have a potential. Here's my point.

Here was my steroid argument with Bob Costas. Okay. My side of it was, okay, it's cheating. But there were things in every era that players did. First of all, you can't compare them to players of any other era. I mean, in this era, they used steroids, and that jacked up their numbers.

I think that, if I had to choose between that or playing where the players only had, like, literally a mitt, I mean, it was called a mitt, because it wasn't a big basket glove. That's right. That's how Baybrooth hit 342 lifetime. And he wasn't playing against black players. And that was my next one. He wasn't playing against black players. And that was my next one.

He wasn't playing against black players. No night games, no jet lag, no relief pitchers. I mean, the game, because people change so much, that you just can't, and so steroids was, I mean, Willie Mays was on the juice. Right. It was the green juice that they drank, which was like speed, basically.

I don't mind an asterisk next to any name because what you're saying with the asterisk is that there's a story to be told here we're going to tell it. What offends me is that you keep them out and try to act like they never existed. And you want society to forget what they brought to the table and how people reap the benefits of their exploits. That insults me. Yeah. That is just wrong. And I hate the fact that baseball gets away

with doing that. I would even say Pete Rose. I mean, I agree. It's been a long time. Yes, it's the ultimate sin he bet on baseball, but I don't think he bet against his team. So there is a ring of hell that is closer to the fire which is betting, but against your own team.

He's that would be a traitor. Well, two things. Two things. Not only did he not bet against himself, there was never proof that he bet as a player. He bet as a manager, and he bet to win. And I'm saying, all Tom hits leader, 44 game hits. Of course.

All the stuff that he brought to the table. All the time hits. All the great things that he gave. It's a game about the two things. All the good thing in the hits. And he's got one of those. All the things that he did for the sport. And you want the world to forget him.

You know, it's not right. How about just, it's not right. Fuck, they pardon Nixon, you know. How about just saying, it's been how 40 years or whatever before he croaks, let's fucking give him, you know. And yeah. It's, I totally agree with you. We with it we agree totally on a lot of things Yes, I wouldn't watch it. I really

I don't want to turn the team in man But I got a great oh I have a question. I want to ask you sure so Why do you think This I thought of this when we were talking medical I think this, I thought of this when we were talking medical, actually, but I want to ask, why do you think bodies, athletes' bodies are so much more fragile today when supposedly we're healthier. Again, I don't want to make everything about Western medicine, but like we're supposedly so healthy and yet Pictures used to pitch complete games without breaking down

Warren spawn and one Marishow Bob Gibson or maybe it was Bob Gibson Maybe it was Gibson and What one of those dudes, whatever it was, one marriage, okay. Pitched a, it was, no score after 15 innings. Both started, we're still in. Wow.

I mean, that is just so unthinkable. Yeah. I mean, Christy Matheson in the 1905 World Series, I'm getting this because I'm friends with George Will. It's cool. So, George Will. He's in the story and everything about everything. Everything.

No greater authority. Absolutely. Amazing. No dispute here. But Christy Mathieson pitched, in the World Series, pitched three times each on one day rest, all shut out. I just, and these guys, nobody goes nine innings, it's very rare, and they're always hurt.

How do you explain that we're supposedly healthier in the modern era and yet? Well, here's the thing. So, advanced technology, you put stuff in your body A that strengthens you, but also shields you from the level of attrition. This is just me speculating. The level of attrition that athletes will want subjected to. So, in other words, it's like a boxer that never stepped into the ring. If you step into the ring and you're practicing your craft

and you get knocked upside your head, you get used to it. Now too much, you'll be walking around like a vegetable eventually, but you get used to it. The point is you've never had to subject yourself to what the previous generation of players had to subject themselves to. So once a body encounters that, you don't know how to handle it, but here's the biggest thing in my opinion.

Here's the biggest thing in my opinion. It's not that injuries didn't happen back in the day. They played through it because they had to make money. They had to continue playing. These dudes are getting eight nine figure salaries. And so guess what? It's guaranteed you could sit out, the money is still coming, and you want to sit out

to ensure that you get a new contract that's gonna pay you even more than last longer. Yes, some of it, they just couldn't play through. Right, some of it. Some of it. Right. So you're saying it's a mental thing. You're saying they were just tougher

and there was like rub dirt on it and get out there. Well, it's not just that. It was more on the line. They had second jobs But so you're saying what wasn't the only source of income, but if Max Sherser Petched three games three complete games With one day rest between each he would have a dead arm. Yes, that's true. Okay, but apparently these dudes didn't How do you explain that? I can't.

I know it's a great guy. I can't, but I will tell you this. Even though you're right about the analogy you provided, they wouldn't need a full four days off and pitching every five days if they had to pay, they had to play for that check, and they would have to go out and get a second job when the season was over.

The money encourages them to wait until they could get to 100% or close to it because you have to understand. These guys signed a contract and Bill, the first thing they're thinking about is the next contract. How do I make sure that I position myself to get more of this paper before I walk away? I'm not blaming them, but I'm just saying that's what it is. No, I know. That's what it is.

Well, I can't sign onto that. And there's something physical. Yeah, I think you're underplaying the physical. There's something actually physically different. And it could be the food we eat. Who the fuck is that? That's what we call it with the sugar. Sugar, sugar, that the sugar.

Right, and everything else. And we've got no money again. It's just these things. I always say, if I ever write a book about medicine, I'm not going to. But it would be called, Now you tell me. Because they're constantly not knowing something,

giving you no information or bad information, and then telling you, and so do I think we will someday get the answer? Yes, I do, of why the athletes today are so much more frail, and I'll do some, and I'm gonna do with things we do to ourselves today that they didn't back then. It could be metals in our body, like mercury and, you know, I mean.

Well, remember what you mean, Chris Rockwood said. The money's in the medicine. Right. So, that too. And then what happens is you feel pain, you feel discomfort, you go to those Western doctors that they tell you about, that you alluded to rather than they tell you, you feel discomfort. You go to those Western doctors that they tell you about, that you alluded to.

Well, you need rest. And they tell you, you need rest. You need this surgical procedure. You need this medicine. And you listen, because what you're after is longevity to position yourself to get more paper. That's how I view it. That's not the entire tool answer, but that's how I view it. That's not the entire tool, but that's how I view it.

Oh, no, I think it's, I mean, when you think about, I think it's a more descendancy, please, too. Yes. When you're thinking about what ice. Good. When you're thinking about, like, what people used to work for. I remember when I was in high school and Oli Frazier was on the cover of Time Magazine, we got Time Magazine in my house, it was

a big splurge, you know, it's probably 95 cents a copy, it was something. And it was, I think the cover was the $ million dollar fighters because they were sharing a purse of three million which was like amazing. 1971, 1974. Yeah, I think it was 70, but it was not Ali for anyone. And you're, and I'm guessing you're at big Ali. Yes, and... Malta Maito.

All right. Well, I have quibbles, I must tell you. To what? I have quibbles I must tell you. Okay. And by the way, when I was like a kid, I thought quibbles, I must tell you. To what? I have quibbles, I must tell you. Okay. And by the way, when I was like a kid, I thought he was awesome also. And he is.

I mean, it's like maybe the most charismatic athlete, if not human. Right. But one, did not like the way he treated Joe Frazier. I agree. That was gross. I agree. That was gross. I agree. I'm friends with his daughter, Layla Ali.

And, you know, we never talked about it. But that was the one issue that I had with him. Oh. As a black man, on one hand, you absolutely positively idolized him because he was willing to take a stand and fight for what he believed was right and fight against the system, which is something we always appreciate.

On the other hand, Joe Frazier was a black man too, and to ridicule him that way. Especially after when it was done. It wasn't working. Joe Frazier lent him money. Yes. I mean, it was, yeah. I said the money, yeah.

Absolutely. The other thing, I mean, you mentioned stood up. Yeah, she did. I remember, you know, I said, liberal kid in New Jersey and like we were like, yes, he's the heroine who'd go to the war. I also, in later years, could have imagined a soldier in Vietnam in the rice patty

with the bullet-wizzing past his head thinking, wait, he's the brave one. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I feel you. I could see a guy thinking that. But they would be, not that they would ever, you don't ever want to call a soldier, particularly soldier-surveyed out country,

but what you want to say is this, he was saying they shouldn't be over there. You know, like, no vehicle. No vehicle. I'm just saying that. I'm absolutely. It wasn't like he was saying, I'm not over there. You know, like no Vietcong, I called me so he was saying that. It wasn't like he was saying, I'm not going to hell with y'all. He was saying they shouldn't be over there either. You doing stuff right here in this country that's egregious.

But it had the added virtue of not actually having to go to Vietnam. Yes, sure. Which I can't deny, I could see, if I was him in that, if I was a great boxer in that position, it's ridiculous. But I could see my Machiavelli and my in picking, oh, I can kill two birds with one stone here.

I had one of these birds is not going to be at no. That's right, hell no. Hell no. It's a, I look, I think it's smart. Going, you know, letting yourself get tend to be at night was. Well, let's call it what it is. I mean, listen, I was born in 1967.

And so when you think about certain things, particularly as it pertains to our government, on one hand, you wanna revere, celebrate, and show appreciation for our soldiers, our men and women who go and fight on our behalf. On the other hand, you look at our country and you look at the nation's capital and politicians who are making this decision. And none of them deserve to be trusted. None of them. And they're the ones making these decisions about what we're going to do, how we're going to do it,

when we're going to do it, et cetera, et cetera. And that was back in the day when there was some level of civility and you thought you could find compromise. Not when everybody is saying that I'm on the right side or I'm on the left side. And so you're going with this side because it's the left and that's the way you're supposed to be. But you're going on this side because'm on the right side or I'm on the left side. And so you're going with this side because it's the left and that's the way you're supposed to be. But you're going on this side

because it's the right side and that's the way you're going to be. And the other bullshit that's associated with it is what's disgusting most because there's no way on earth that you agree with everything. But you can run across people who are like mine and they don't agree on everything, but they've tried to convince us because of this two-party system we're dealing with that you're

either on the right or you're on the left. And you can't be independent as I would tell, as I would applaud you for being an independent listen. I know you're a liberal, I know that, but I can't emphasize enough how much I applaud the things that you say when you call out either side. Because the fact of the matter is in this day and age, when you look at all of these channels, Bill Moore, I could make a legitimate argument that you're worthy of more trust than almost anybody on television. I second that opinion when it comes to politics. Absolutely.

Yeah. You're actually worthy. I mean, you're totally right about. Because you'll call them both out. Yes. And I'll just say what's real. I mean, that's my brand. That's what I'm selling.

But I know from politicians who come on the show, I mean, whenever they present me, you know, in a staff meeting with like upcoming guests, you know, if I can, yeah, you're naïve. You know, like always, anyone who's a sitting politician is always an eye roll for me. And sometimes we have, why, man? Because being a sitting politician,

you're going to be talking points full of shit, not necessarily full of shit, but you just stick to your story. You're not having the, they're not talking like we're talking. We're just fucking talking. Absolutely. That's okay.

And we don't have to worry about votes. We don't have to worry about remaining in an order. We don't have to worry about catering in a stitch list. We're two guys. We're gonna be in a nightclub. Yeah. We need to stick to it. We're two guys. We're going to sit in a night club. Yeah. Okay, we're in the VIP. We're in club random.

We're drinking. We're smoking. That's right. Okay. Just smoking, but I'll get it. Okay, this is the opposite of what you're going to get. Yeah. From a politician.

I get it. They're there, not for me. They're there for them. That's why they don't even have the time to try to answer the question. The first thing they learn is, don't answer the question, say what you want to say. Exactly. So that's not, that's not fun for me. You know, it's fucking without a dick.

It's just socks. Well, I wouldn't know that. No, I wouldn't know what that's like. Well, I didn't mean that. But it doesn't sound good. Okay. Right. So, you know, the second they're out of office,

or retiring, suddenly they're 50% better. And he is completely better. I think you and I have this in common. You have your show and because of your show and what it's branded on, you may elect to interview them. Fine. I do. Right, fine.

I'm the kind of guy. I don't want to talk to them. If your ass was lining up for four years, eight years, 12 years, 20 years, however the hell are you as often. I don't want to hear. And by the way, my position is consistent because doing sports, right? You've got people who want to be in television. And you know what I say to them? Your ass was quiet all of those years. You never had a damn thing to say. Why the hell should I want you on TV now? No. When you had an opportunity to be substantive and say some, say some stuff while you were in a position to resonate, you passed. So don't come to me now wanting to be on TV when you had nothing to say before. That's a big deal of

me. That's just me. I don't know. I mean again, you might be a little different. I get it. I respect it, but that's just me. No, I'm that's just me. I am you. Yeah, you know, I mean I got my show first I'm Spartacus. Yeah, you're Spartacus. I got my show first take on ESPN every week day morning. I'm like this right now they ain't coming on hell no They ain't say shit before and you're not learning about hockey No, that will not I'm telling that will not have that I Love Gary Batman. I'm gonna go to a game you are issues that's different, but them and I ain't discussing No, I'm not you are I don't know anything you are a bad man. You are a bad man. For doing that. Really. I'm not lying.

It's a very studly move to not learn about hockey. It really is. I think you should get the NAACP men. You're a reward for not learning about a hot mascot too now. I'm like, who the hell is it? Who the hell the bright driver? Who is he? It should be an award.

Right. What's the other big award show that's essence? The S.B.s. The essence? The S.B.s. Yes, the S.B.s awards. S.B. awards. Right.

Well, S.B.s sports. Yes. But I'm talking about the award for not learning about stupid white shit. That would be the essence. That would be the essence. Right. And that was it. Yes.

BET award. Yeah, all that. No. You just... And what do you think? I hate this sound so trite, but like, you're doing a podcast now. It's not sports. That's right.

You're obviously a guy who can talk about anything and you do, and the way you even sports a butt like that punter. Right. No, sports, a butts politics all the time, because sports issues become political. Yeah. Look at the vaccine and Kyrie Irving him. I mean, they can't race racial issues. I mean, you can't avoid it.

No, again, that's... So, you're kind of a political commentator already, if you were a thoughtful sportscaster, Howard Coseell was? That was my idol. Himbob Costas of Brian Gumball. I gotta tell you, I had this thing I came across that I obviously pulled out of TV Guide 1971.

All right. And it was an ad for ABC TV, local TV, this was TV guide, it's the New York area, so it's a jersey. So it was the team, the ABC sports team, right? And it was Coast Salon to other guys. Dan Didolf. Yeah. I don't know who the other two guys were former players. Yes, they were and it said two guys Frank Gifford and Dan Ditto, hopefully two guys who made it because they played ball and one guy because he never played ball

It's right Howard goes down. That's correct. And I framed it and gave it to Bob Costers Wow, I'm never regretted every day So I'm never getting another one. Yeah. No, I thought he, you know. Well, let me tell you some Bob Cossack's is an authoritarian and he is a guy that is one of the most brilliant broadcasters that has ever graced his business. There is nothing. I repeat, nothing when it comes to sports that he cannot do.

No. He is absolutely phenomenal and he said, just he was one of the people that he cannot do. No. He is absolutely phenomenal and he said he was one of the people that set the standards. The shit you'd have to learn if you did the Olympics. I mean, can you imagine the like I'm guessing I've covered the Olympics. I covered the Olympics in 2000 and said the Australia and 2004 in Athens, Greece. And I never want to go back. Right. And I've never been back. It's a nightmare because I didn't have to tell a vision right.

So I'm sitting 20 minutes away, 20 feet away from the athletes with a tape recorder sticking my arm out. Try to ask a question. I'm never going back. No, I should be a more patriotic Olympic watcher than I am. I don't watch the Olympic. I know this is some great stuff.

Some of the most moments. Somebody should and probably has, right together, a, you know, make a two hour documentary on every Olympics. Yeah, I would totally watch that. Here's, we boiled it down to two hours of great stuff. That's right. But to have it on the whole day,

for two weeks long, right? You wanna hear the big name and you wanna see the actual event. Here's what it is. Let's say for example, there's a swimming event or even if there's a bobsled event You want to hear the big name and you want to see the actual event. Here's what it is. Let's say for example, there's a swimming event, or even if there's a Bob's sled event, or if there's a track event or whatever. What you do is you turn it on right at the moment that event is coming on, keep it on there for two, three minutes and turn the damn channel

and get back to doing what you were doing. Unless there's a basketball game or whatever, boxing is an absolute joke in the Olympic Games. Too much work. Also, too too much backstory. Yes. You know, he was mauled by a player in Curzistan. Yeah, I don't care. And now, you know, his brother is his biggest fan.

Yes, we knew. Very nice. Very nice, very good. You know, it's just, I want to get back to what you said, though, about political commentary, because I got a confession to make to you right here. Your show, Real Town Will Billmore, is the one show in my entire career. I've never wanted to get invited on

because I was scared to death. You got to be like this. I don't, like, We've invited you many times. That's how I know that true. Let me tell you something. I mean, I will come on now that I'm sitting across from you, but I'm just saying for you,

I know you know what the hell you're talking about and you're not about the BS. And so for me, I know what might be going on in a moment. I know what I read, I have a perspective, but I never, ever, ever try to come off as an official notto. I know basketball, I know boxing, I know sports. But not, I know what I'm reading, but I don't know. And so that's a big thing to me.

Well, I mean, I think you're first of all selling yourself a little short. It's better than being arrogant. And also, like, it doesn't have to be, we've always wanted you to come on in the beginning, which is a one-on-one thing, and especially when it was in your willhouse, because there are these sports issues that are very prevalent in society in general.

I mean, look how much Jackie Robinson to use the paramount example of sports changing society. But you're related to everything, and that's the important point. If you were talking, we just finished talking about Kyrie Erwin. That wasn't about sports. That was about a sports figure involved in a very real life issue.

What I'm saying. And that's what you do. And so for me, it's like it's... You're gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. But I tell you that I what you do. And so for me, it's like, it's, it's, you're gonna do it. What I'm just, I'm gonna do it. But I tell you that, I tell you that. I suggest. But what I do with, especially what I'm happy I got a podcast is because I got my opinions

and I'll express it. I'll do my interviews. But to me, my gift, one of my gift has always been, this is who you should listen to. That's who you should listen to. That's who you should listen to. That's who you should listen to. That's who you should listen to. It's about pointing people in a direction where they can get real substantive information.

And that's where, to me, because a lot of people, when you work in non-the-five or whatever it is, like most of the world is doing that on their grind and just trying to survive, they don't know where to go. They don't know where to go. And so when the fact that there's a younger demographic, for example, that gravitates to me,

that 18 to 34, that 25 to 49 demographic, I've a lot of times, I'll tell them. Did you see, did you see, did you see, you know, new rules with Bill Mar, did you see, did you see Wolf Blitz and what he said? Did you see and yes? I will say did you see a shone head of you somebody and what this I go back and forth back and forth Right just to let people get both sides and let them know all right Here's where you go to get that perspective. That's just me. I always

Like it when you like give the younger generations who are acting a little fragile, no quarter. None. That's one thing that really... It tracks me to your commentaries on stuff. Right. Like... It's a real world. Well, like, after a foul shot,

we always have to hit everybody's hand. Yeah, why? Even when you miss. Yeah. I think if you miss, what must I be a handful? Got that when you miss. Congratulations.

You missed. Is it? Especially in crunch time. You know, we need you to hit these damn free throws. Right. No, no, I'm not pat you in a back like this. Damn it, make the shot. It's obviously such a chore for all of them too.

They just seem to do it ritually like this. Okay, if I don't, like Phil will be hurt by what the fuck is this? And then you sense it up to the crowd. They're booing. I mean, we go out to you and we work as hard as we can. God damn it, you can't pay for that. They fought me and I. I'm such a, I think they, well,

I'm trying to hit at. Get it done. That generation needs such constant I. I was such a... I think they... You don't try to hit that. Get it done. That generation needs such constant reinforcement. That's what that says to me. That's the way they were raised. Yeah. Hey, high five.

You just missed a foul of shots. Try another one. If you miss it, well, high five. You know what you're right. And I wouldn't have as nearly... I don't blame you for laughing because you're right. I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with it if the real world was like that.

But the fact of the matter is, is when you get away from your cocoon where y'all are doing that in your respective profession in the moment and you go out there in the streets or you go out there in corporate America or you go out there in the real world. That is not what's going to happen. So why are we encouraging, what is just phoniness as far as I'm concerned, I don't think

is the right way. But you know what the answer to that is, or I shouldn't say answer, that's misleading, the response. Yeah. I don't know which is right, because I've made the same point that it's not going to be like that in the real world. Right. And I never heard people say, except that generation,

they're changing that world. It becomes their world. Like, a good example of that would be returning to work. You know, they don't want to do it. Right. They like staying at home and they're good job. They're fucked up because that's not the real world. But if they in mass refuse to go back to the office,

which is happening in some places, corporations have no choice, but to what are they gonna fire everybody? You can let the ass go and get people who want to come and to work out some money. But can you, if the entire generation is like that? I don't think that the entire generation is like that? Maybe you can. I don't think that the entire generation is going to be like that because I think people

live in the moment and the potential cost to them. At that time, there's always be divisionist. Some people are going to accept it. Some people are not. And by the way, who the hell said that you have to like everything your boss is one But listen you think listen. I've been very blessed and fortunate. You think I like everything my bosses want from me Right, and I like everything my boss is request from me hell have the time and get on my damn nurse sometimes

But it's the job and if I signed up to do the job I got an obligation to deliver what they asked me to. Well, I mean, in all fairness, A, you're paid a lot and it's a fun job. Now. So like the combination of money and fund, that's if most people would be more than happy. And that's why most people want to be influencers. You should like that. I mean, like a staggering number of people under 30 when asked the question, what do you want to be when you grow up? It's influencer.

In other words, I just want everyone to look at me, like me, and want to do the things I do, and where the things I wear. What a great job. But don't you get annoyed at people who look at you and what you accomplished, and pay no attention to what it took to get you there. You ain't lazy?

No. You didn't sit up there and just pop up on the screen and all of a sudden, you know, you bill more. Hell no. You have to put, you have to be on your grind, you have to put in that work. And every star that I've known has had to put in work. And so for me, one of the things,

I got this little pep even, I had this discussion with the Wayne Wade one day. I want to put in work. And so for me, one of the things, I got this little pet peeve and I had this discussion with the Wayne Wade one day. I wanna talk to him. He's a really interesting guest. I love him. He's a good dude. He's a great dude. Great dude.

Like that. I had this conversation with him one day when he was on my show. And he said, you can be whatever you want to be. I said, no the hell you can't. You can be whatever your gifts allow you to be. Right. And only then if you put in the work, this notion that you can't. You can be whatever your gifts allow you to be. And only then if you put in the work,

this notion that you can just wake up, well I asked, well, damn it, I want to be an NBA player. Bill, I want good enough. I want good enough. I could ball, but not to the level of these Catsca ball. It was good enough to get a scholarship. It wasn't good enough to go pro, period. Also, there's one really key thing that would proclaim you from being a basketball player

No matter how good you were Hi How about that? How about that? Not always don't you need I mean karees illogist six one need hi karees illogist six one He's spectacular. Okay, he's a superstar. He's six one is pushing it, but doable. Five eight. I have to send with six feet. Five eight is not. Okay.

This is what they have. They have the world and nothing else. They've had a few. They've had a few. It happens for a little bit, but it's an operation. But it's an operation. And it's always such a liability on defense. Fair enough.

That it doesn't, it can never last. You ain't last it. You ain't last it. It ain't a long fruitful case. I've read that you you go ahead and it's been a while since we had one That's right. Nate Robertson was the last one. They just gave up on the constant for good reason especially now It's a yeah because the game has evolved where you got catch you three is all over the place Oh, yes, what if you short it ain't like you can defend against them So they got an open path to the basket in terms of their visual,

and they're not worried about you and stuff like that. So the game has changed and really has hurt the short of God. I must confess to you, not you, but I'm using you as a controller like I'm in church. I almost want to jettison basketball watching sometimes because the referee, because, you know, if you're invested in it, even though I fully admit watching sports is the greatest single waste of time in my life, the things I could have done, the plays, I could have written, and I'm not even like a crazy sports fan,

but I watch football on, you football on the days it's on, usually at least partly, and I watch, I try not to watch baseball to the playoffs, but the Matt Semberian was involved with them. They go into the playoffs, they got a chance. Yeah, they got you. They better win the division,

otherwise they're gonna lose in a postseason. They better win the division today, and take the dodges to the NLCS. And I love the basketball playoffs. Yeah. But first of all, this, when you're approaching the basket, you, there's no amount of just running without dribbling.

Right. I guy, like 10 feet from the back, it just like shuffles his feet and is traveling. Right. But then they like, does that mean with the strikes on either change the rule, it bothers my anal mind. Like, just it bothers me that it either change the rule to fit which, the reality or let me take something that you may have missed about the world of sports as it pertains to

basketball, but I want you to pay attention to it because it's gonna be very interesting and I promise you you can bring this up on your show. Gambling. Gambling. That's where the officiating has really come into play. Remember, in 2018 Supreme Court gave the OK for states to engage in sports gambling.

Supreme Court gave the okay for states to engage in sports gambling. Because of that, you have football, basketball, baseball. All of them are going to be in a position to get the piece of the action. If you know nothing else about owners, understand they greedy. They want to get paid. They want extra revenue. And so what happens is, is that if you're a league, how do you do that while making sure that the integrity of your sport

is cemented to such a degree that you can bring gambling in and it doesn't compromise the integrity of the sport? You do that by being a stricter about the rules, which the referees have to enforce. They're not, it's the opposite. No, no, no, no, no, no, that is not true. But they don't call travel.

Oh, listen, you can say they don't call traveling, but they make a lot of calls that they didn't use to make. That's true. And it's like, it's become a lot of times you see these guys. It's got about 30, so the 40 free throws again. It happens. become a lot of times you see these guys got about 30, so the 40 free throws again. The, the, the, the, the, the, the drawing fouls by pushing by falling into somebody and all that, all that coast play.

That's right. They try to eliminate, it's like, they're drawing the offense of fouls and, and, and, and they try to eliminate that, but in the end, come on, man. That, that gambling pay attention to that, because you talk about, you talk about, but in the end. Come on, man. That gambling, pay attention to that. Because you talk about Billions. You talk about Billions.

It's just Billions. I think people just don't remember a time and I do when there was one place in America where you could gamble called Las Vegas. I mean, when I was a kid, I think that was the only place. And because I remember Atlantic City opened like late 70s, something like that, and that was like, oh wow. Now the East Coast has their version.

And of course it never went anywhere. Good. Governor Chris Christie was pushing for gambling in New Jersey. Roger Gidell and the NFL resisted it. And then now they realize he was right. Well, what he was pushing for. Who was right? Christie.

He was talking about. I see, right. He was saying this is inevitable. It is. You could try to ask if it isn't, but it's coming. They should, I mean look. So first it was just Vegas, then Atlantic City, and then like, you know, like, okay, we're on a river boat.

Like, why do we have to like go to this? We're on a river, so we're not breaking anywhere. Like, please. How does Jesus find that place? How about this horrible? I don't get it. I don't get it either. Okay, so, but then, so then there was that.

And then, states had lotteries, and then states of any place that was like, economically challenged with petition, hey, if we had a casino here in the cat skills. Let me tell you something, I don't buy that. You ever been in Atlanta City? Halloween's last year. We played every year.

Man, it's bad. I know. It's bad. I know. And all they got is casinos. People lose the money every day. It's so sad. But it's so sad that one,

they could not have made it a version of Vegas. It's not a secret sauce. You have to know how to be a showman. And Vegas does, and like nobody in Atlantic City ever even tried. Well, the thing about Atlantic City in my opinion, is just an opinion, looking on about Atlantic City, in my opinion, is just an opinion looking on the outside end that they've never gotten about Vegas.

Vegas is not just casinos. It's a show. That's what I'm saying. It's exactly what you're saying. It's a show. Exactly. They have shows just as much as they have casinos. I have.

Okay, they have the shows at the casinos. The fact is Atlantic City, when you think about, I live an hour away from Atlantic City. Atlantic City, when you think about Atlantic City, you think about gambling. You don't think about shows. I'm not saying shows don't exist. But you don't think about it.

You think about gambling. You think about casinos. Vegas, you think since City, everything goes. They got everything. But you also have in Vegas The wow factor that's what they do. Yes, it's and to me it's very often not a wow But you know, I do have one to see them Circus a lake shows and I'm telling you they're pretty wowy

Especially the one with the water. It's, you know, it's like- Hey, listen to this one. And I went to Circus Delay, I mean, I saw it, that was great. But here's the interesting part, think about this. Jerry Jones, the owner for the Dallas Cowboys, has a stadium, AT&T stadium, that seats 100,000 plus fans. And then one of the biggest jumbo

trunks you could ever imagine. And people have passed that up to be at a T-Mobile arena that seats about 9,000 to 12,000 people. Think about that. What do you mean in Vegas? In other words, you could have an event in Dallas in all in Tentexas. Or you could have it in Vegas. And they have it in Vegas anyway. Even though it only seats 10 times less. Because the others in Vegas.

There you go. That's the whole point. And I remember that when Steve Winn, oh God, was this the Bellagia, I feel like? Did he own that? I don't know. I feel like it was at hotel, but it was definitely Steve win. I met him in 2015.

Steve what? Yes. You know who introduced me to? No. Donald Trump. I'm sure. I was in the restaurant, of course. And they told me don't leave.

That Donald Trump saw me and he wanted to say hello. Yeah. And he brought Steve win over to meet me. Oh, that was Donald Trump before he was president. Always charming in person. Always charming in person before he was president. No. And probably now, I've never met a system

of playing this character. No, I mean, he's definitely been transformed. Yes. But anyway, so Steve Win, I remember he had this thing for years, the great art of the world. And he spent something like probably half a billion dollars buying or at least renting on loan, like the paintings that Joe Blow knows. You know what I mean?

Starry, Starry Night, you know, Vincent Vincent Van Gogh, the stunts, just everything short of the Mona Lisa. But things that like, you know, the average person, and it was a wow thing that wowed people, and these people didn't come, they didn't, oh great, we're gonna go to a museum, but they made a museum into a hot ticket because it was like the greatest hits of art through history, you know. I think it was a lot of progress. Yes, I'm not a pro. I'm not a pro. I'm not a pro. I love his hotel, though. That's one of my favorite places to stay. The win. The win hotel.

Not the Trump. Yeah. Trump Lausel, but the win hotel in Vegas, one of my favorite places to stay. But that's what Atlantic City never learned. They never learned to make it a thing, and they also, in the bigger tragedy, they should have lifted that poor neighborhood, that city up front.

Absolutely. And it just shows you that whoever's in office, the graft, the corruption, it's so deep. It's corruption, no question, because people go up in there and there for themselves. First of all, let's call a couple of things. You fly in the Vegas, you're in Vegas, and you go to your respective hotel

as a casino at every hotel, blah, blah, blah. You fly in, when you go into Atlantic City, most people ain't flying to Atlantic City. They fly in the Philadelphia, they fly in the Newark International Airport, and then you gotta drive about an hour to hour, if it's in the Atlantic City. They bust them in the city.

To Atlantic City. Is that what? They bust people into it. To hour, 15 minutes. They bust them in the city. To Atlantic City. Is that what? They bust people into it. Exactly, so that's problem number one. Number two, well, problem, excuse me, that's because the population is so much bigger than what's around Vegas. What's around Vegas?

Nothing. You got to really go out of your way to get there. Atlantic City is feeding from Philadelphia. The Jersey suburbs, the New York. I mean, you've got tens and tens and tens of millions of people. Yeah. This is a obviously not enough, right? You're making money.

You're in a state where no state income's access. Let's pay attention to all of that stuff. The shit matters. No, Jersey has no state in it. No, it's in Nevada. Nevada. Right. Yes.

All of these things play a role in the adage, the mantra, since city, what happens in Vegas, days in Vegas? It gives you the veneer, the impression. You do anything here. And it's all right, you go back to the real world when you finish. You know what I'm saying?

Joe, you don't give you that. No, I'm sure there are many people in the Midwest who many especially men who think I'm going to Vegas. I'm going to the strip club. That's exactly where I'll be. I'm a gambler. I'm a wince of money. I'm gonna give me a strip where I'm gonna get loose. I didn't add to that and I'm gonna go home like none. That's what they think. That's that's the plan. Okay. They ate the real world but damn it is a fantasy, that Vegas sells very, very good. I have read that there's sexual intercourse allowed

if you buy a bottle in the champagne room. You know, I mean, I think they're then very disappointed, but Vegas is, I mean, I love it. I play there like six times a year. Yeah. I've been at the Maraud. I'm gonna go see one of your shows I would love to have you I would definitely come you have my word I would definitely come my last special adult thing you left your ass okay that's on HBO it's just on I'm sure you can find it on HBO man I watch it but I want to come to you one of you

absolutely in person I want to be there went I don't really play a lay much but I want to come to you one of your... Absolutely. In person, I want to be there. I don't really play out lay much, but... I'll find out the dates, I'll come to you. If you're vague, especially if you're vague. Let's do vague. I'll find you. I'll probably... I'll definitely come fly out with me. Yeah, I'll definitely come through, man.

It's a great deal with the Mariahs. I guess. Yeah, your room. Yeah. I'm good. Well, I'll be there. I always have to. I'll be there.

And it's a very quick trip, like I will fly Friday, no. Oh yeah, Friday. They will be Friday Saturday. Yeah. Yeah, we will fly Friday night, we'll be home Saturday night, after the second show.

So I only stay over one night. Yeah. That's the, to me that's the way to do Vegas. I love Vegas, but not a big dose. That's right. Not a big dose. I like to get in and get out. Right.

That's how good about Miami. You get in? Yes. It's spectacular. Miami's great. Get in, get out. Vegas, get in, get out. Vegas with a beach.

That's right. But you got a lot to say, man. Is that a haunt of yours? Say what? Is that a haunt of yours? Say what? Is that a haunt of yours? Miami in a place you're in? I love Miami. You do. It is special.

Why? Because you're... I've had a good... I've had a lot of good times, man. I've had a lot of good times. I've had a lot of good times. Look at your face. Yeah, it's just great.

Miami is never very good to me. Yes. That is true. Wow. That is true. Come on, stuff. I... So you're... Sounds like you're not married. No, I'm not. I'm not. Eventually on, Stah. Come on, Stah. So you're, it sounds like you're not married.

I'm not, I'm not. Eventually it might happen. Um, I was, you know, I was a guy that was on a roll for 250 days, 200 to 250 days out of the year. Sounds like a perfect way to marry. I didn't even marry because they know when hell I'm going on my marriage of vows and I'm on a roll for 250 throughout the year.

And so, you know, I have no shame in saying that because I think that'm on a row of 250 throughout the year and so you know I have no shame in saying that because I think that you have a lot of married people who Violate their marital valves and I'm proud to say that I'm not somebody that never did that. Hey enough about Adam Levine Everyone's piling on for fuck sake give the guy a break I have no comment on him. I was still I was saying this to Jane, but Everyone's piling on for fuck sake give the guy a break I have no comment on him. I was still I was saying this to Jane, but Dara Hall from Hall of Notes was here a couple weeks ago. I love him and I Provodized great voice. Provodized man

Great songs ever private eyes. Yeah. Yeah, my favorite song's ever. Amazing record. Absolutely. But I asked him about, you know, it must be so hard to be a rock star and be faithful and he just went impossible. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, people, it's not popular for people to say that and it's like, right. Well, wait a minute.

You know, I'm 54, so my attitude is different now, but when I was young and on a roll, 200 to 200 days out of the year, it was a different animal. And it wasn't even about, oh, you with this one, this one, that one, it was about, you knew you wanted to be. And you knew that you would if you had the opportunity to. So why would you go and get married and commit to somebody knowing that your mind was someplace else?

No matter what you did or didn't do, your mind was elsewhere. And a lot of times you see America tries to teach folks, well, you know, do this because this is the right thing to do. Was it right to lie? Is it right to cheat? Is it right to violate vows that you may shut the hell up? If you're a house, say you're a house. Yes, I'm saying, I mean, if you're not, you're not. I mean, you only have to be a whole, say you a hoe. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if you not, you not.

I mean, you only have to be a hoe. If you aspire to be a hoe, you don't need to be married. And so, I mean, it's really that simple, but once you become a dad, which I am, and you know, they change. Right, yes, I never get that either. But that was my main reason why I never got married. It was like, I just can't ever look someone in the eye.

At some point, and honestly say, you are the only person I ever want to fuck for the rest. It's just, it's just. It's hard. It's hard to say that. I mean, damn it. To be honest, this whole, it's just hard. I mean, we try to do it, but they're in an 80's.

Okay, so let's break this down. Yeah, if you can't honestly say that, but you can't. And then if you're in a relationship, you are there, just as Sherlock Holmes would say, eliminate the impossible, I mean, the improbable of what's left is the truth. You have to lie. Let me say.

You have to lie. You do because you can't say to somebody, if you're gonna get married, you have to lie. Right. Right, that's true. You have to lie. But I will say this to you. You have to.

You do get older. And as you get older, here's what I will tell you. It's not that you ever want to, I mean, especially as men, you always have an aspiration to go out there and then it, so your wild oats, be loose, whatever, whatever phrase the all of you want to use. Women are so attractive.

They're just, they're just, they're just stars. They're just stars. But when you got a beautiful one, okay, and you look at yourself and you go like this, now here's the key, nobody wants to ever admit this bill. But he stayed with me on this. You see, you don't always have a problem when you weren't getting any.

When you were somebody that damned and struggled to buy some. Okay, because people just, women just didn, because people just women just didn't want you They just didn't want you But but but if but if you are somebody that that was not an issue You do get to a point where you learn to value That one person that's in your life because you've been to the circus as they say, you've done it and you can't have them all.

I've heard that forever and I don't. Now, does it stop you from wanting others? I don't get it either. I mean, because what you're saying is this been to the circus, I've heard that. And it's like saying, you've had a lot of great meals, but so just stop eating. That's true. But, you know, you've had a lot of great meals. Right.

So just stop eating. That's true. But I've had a lot of great meals, but I'm living now. Let me tell you, living now. Can I speculate about you? Not on the front.

No, no, can I speculate about you and why you're, can that about why your mentality may be different than most? Yes. I'm gonna go back to health. Oh, I think we're going back to my life. You take, listen to this.

You take care of yourself. You talked about obesity. You talked about people too heavy, the unhealthy. I remember when you gave a new rules, sir, on folks that are not healthy. I remember that. That was a great, that I mean, you were on point. You didn't say shit wrong.

You didn't say shit wrong. I totally't say shit wrong. I keep it real. I totally agree with you. Right. Unsubjects, nobody else will. That's right. So because you were pointing out how unhealthy we are as a society, your bill, there's a whole bunch of unselfish folks that I'm sorry, unhealthy folks out here.

Right. And so a lot of times we don't want to admit it. But when you want to settle down, you're looking at your own mortality. And you're not just thinking about, damn, there's some, there's a new honey I want to hook up with. You're not thinking about that. You're thinking about who's gonna be there for you when you sick, who's gonna be there for you to minimize the stress because you got shit you wanna do. You think about all of that. And I'm saying you, you Bill Ma,

because you take care of yourself, you ain't walking around on a quarter quarter healthy. You can afford to have a healthier attitude towards your soul. I say what you say. Yes. The sick thing is, that's my speculation. No, I think, again, don't know the furniture.

I think you're, I've thought that point a lot about the sick thing. Like that is a common thing people say to you about when they're urging you to like hook up with someone permanently. They're like, don't you want someone there when you're sick? And I'm like, that is the time I most want to be alone. When I'm sick, I don't want people around when I'm sick. First of all, you can't have fun with them

because you're fucking sick. And you're gross and you know it. And so you're like a little self-conscious. And like why have someone there? I don't, I mean. I can answer that. Well, I can answer that. You know what it is?

If she did for you then, she did for you in accounts. So you know when you better. But what is it she can be there? Because, like, well I'll say she's she's gonna be there for you. If she could save me from dying, I would totally get married because like yes, if you can put nurses and doctors for no actually stop me from dying. Like because that helps because that's what I most fear right. And that is what I will be doing alone. Yeah, I see this one. About how much a woman is behind me,

she can't stop me when stop that happening. I know you're interviewing me, but I gotta ask you a question. I'm not interviewing anyone. Well, I got to do it. We have an conversation. We have an conversation. But I mean, club random, I get it.

I got this question. I got this question now. Are you scared of dying? Well, it doesn't throw me, yes. I would say that that's one of those things. I think it's probably deep in our unconscious. Every once in a while, I feel like something reveals that, oh, unconsciously, yes, you're probably,

that's probably a stress point for you. Because, you know, I mean, it's probably a stress point for you. Because, you know, I mean, it's gonna happen to all of us and I'm now in the, you know, age range where it starts to happen more. I feel exactly the same as I always have, but, you know, you're aware that your body is, you know, aging. You can't stop it.

So, yeah, I mean, mortality is as heavy as it gets. I can tell you this about me. I have no fear. I should say no. I have one fear. I want my daughters, I got two daughters. I want them to grow their teenagers. I want them to grow older.

We're there're okay. That's it. Really? Outside of that, I don't care. You say that. Let me tell you what I care about. Let me tell you what I care about. I care how I die.

I don't want to be in pain. I don't want to be ravaged with cancer. I don't want to get in. I don't want to get in the live. I don't want to die. That get burned alive or something like that. But I really, really, really, me person, I'm just telling you me,

I don't have any fear outside of my daughters. I have no fear. Cause I'm gonna say this, and you know, I'm not somebody that cusses too much on air, but I will tell you, I think this world is fucked up. I really, really do. Well, I will tell you, I think this world is fucked up. I really, really do.

Well, I don't enjoy being a part of what I'm witnessing transpire. And so for me, personally, yeah, I'll make the most of it. I ain't going to kill myself when anything like that, but I'm telling you, if my daughters are okay, and they're gonna live a healthy, fruitful life, and I've set them up nicely, which I believe I'm doing. I'm good. I'm good. I don't want to, it's how I die that I'm worried about,

not dying. I'm not concerned. Well, then we're different. Yeah, because, I mean, how I die, yes, I definitely think getting eaten alive. Yeah, hell no. Would be better than like a long drawn out one. Did you ever see the movie Legends of the Fall?

Yeah. Really? No, I mean, I don't remember. It was years and years ago. But I did my favorites. And Brad Pitt, spoiler alert at the very last frame gets, you know, when it's all, he gets eaten by a bear and the Indian is like, it was a good death.

That's right. And I think that, I think. I ain't going that like, that ain't kind of like, I don't want that neat need though. I don't want that neat need me, I'm sorry. I know. I'm sorry, I don't want to do it. I don't want any of it. I'm sorry. I know. I'm sorry, I don't want to do it, I don't want any of it.

I want to die peacefully. Yeah. That's it. I lived a good life, I never tried to hurt anybody. No. I told my truth. I tried to be as fair-minded, I got into an argument with just a player that the ankle says name,

but I was saying to him, you know, you disagree with something that I said a professional athlete, and I'm like, yo, I was fair. I picked up the phone, I called you as, you weren't available. Other people were, they gave me a perspective. I said it because it rhymed with what I felt, period, but I'm always fear.

As long as I'm fair and you made, I sleep well. Yeah. And I'm good. I'm really not, I'm not somebody. I don't wanna live tall, I'm 120. I'm 120. I find this disingenuous, I think when people, when these people, I don't wanna,

when you get there, you'll want one more day. Fair. You'll want one more day. Fair. You'll want one more day. Fair, fair. My example is always George Harrison of the Beatles. Okay. Because he was the spiritual Beatles member. It was all about the next life and Harry Christian.

And I owe my sweet Lord. I can't wait to meet you. I can't wait to meet you. Well, when he got cancer, suddenly he wanted to wait. But why, Bill? Why did he want to wait? Because we all want to live. Okay, let me ask you this question.

Is it that you want to live or you're scared of what a weight you want you die? Both. And I'm sitting there. Why do I have to choose? Well, why do we have to live? Because like, I think in this lot of time, I'm like, oh man, if I die, I'll miss the playoffs.

Like literally, like, it's like, I will, I will, I could give it a nice, I mean, look, I'm out of a lucky life. We're doing a job, I like, I'm doing friends and blah, blah, blah. It's been bumps in the road and hurts and lots of bad shit, but generally, there's a lot of things and I love being this age

Because you're more in control, you're wiser, you know, I mean, you just don't stumble over as much So like there's lots of things in my life that I like You know and some of them are very most of them are probably you would think Monday dinner with friends Okay, and the playoffs and my music and. And I don't wanna miss that, because I can never listen to this song again. That's crazy. It's very minor, but I could live forever. That's cool, we brothers.

We brothers, but we brothers from a different mother. So let me say this to you. Well, let me say this to you. Respectfully, that's the white perspective. That's your perspective. Let me give you the black perspective. World of shitty. You constantly scratch and imploring

just for equality. You think you get to equality and then the rules constantly change back to what they once were in a different way change back to what they once were in a different way, but back to what they once were to remind you you ain't on an equal playing field. You still feel that way? Hell yeah.

So then you go through that, right? And one day after another, after another is a constant scratchin' and chlorin' and battling. You got people now. Shit, you can bring up the cool cuts clean. They'll even tell you, we ain't botherin'. Those folk let them kill themselves. Let them call each other salouts and combs. Let them divide each other amongst themselves. Let them figure out, let them be as

clueless as they can be about what's going on. Let them kill one another. Chicago, St. Louis, let's go on and let them do all of this shit. Well, let them sound passive. I mean, what I'm saying is that they can afford to be passive because what happens is shit is so much stuff has happened. They looking at us and they say let them be, it's all about gun violence and Chicago. Everything, everything.

Talk about all of that. Black on black violence. Right. Just like this white-on-white violence, it's like a Latino-alatino violence. I understand that. But we don't want that make up 13% of the population. The census bureau, if it's...

The census bureau report doesn't say that we're gonna be 30% of the population in 2030. Like they say about the Latino community. But much higher numbers of violent crime. Right. It's a problem. Okay. And so when you think about that,

I'm just making the point to say, when you talk about wanting that tomorrow, I'm not saying we don't, what I'm saying is that the value on life, for us, one would argue at times at the very least, is a little bit less than it is for the folks, because other folks see lights at the end of the tunnel. Black folks a lot of times, more often than not always,

but more often not, we don't see light at the end of the tunnel. And as a person that's achieved a lot, that sees the light at the end of the tunnel, even I get to a point, I tell you this, and I gotta confess this to you right here right now. I'ma say it to you in your podcast. I write it in my book, my memoirs coming out in January, Straight Shooter.

And in the book I say, my daughters are the greatest blessing that I've ever had. They're also the greatest curse. I regret bringing them into this world. I think this world is that fucked up. And it scares me. What they'll have to deal with it. What they'll have to encounter is bad enough

when we have to encounter. But it gets better. You don't think so? Do you think so? I don't know. Look at, come on. I don't know. Wait, wait.

I don't know. You don come on. Come on. I don't know. Wait, wait, wait. I don't know. You don't think America looks very different, 2022 versus, I don't know, 1982. Pick you were 15. I do. I do think that, but I'm saying that the divisiveness that we see when I have to pray that let me see real time with Bill Maher because I'm getting an objective perspective. I'm not getting that when I watch CNN or MSNBC. I'm not getting that when I watch Fox News.

I'm not getting that when I listen to a leftist. I'm not or progressive. I'm not getting that when I listen to a leftist. I'm not or progressive. I'm not getting that when I listen to a right wing zealot and the impact that they have on our lives and you couple that with economic issues, inflation, and beyond, crime, immigration policies and all of this other shit. It's like, damn, boy, I love my daughters to death, but damn.

Did I really do a good thing by bringing them into this world? Yes. I do find myself thinking like this. Can I give you a perspective? Please. Please. I mean, this is just some, I don't know you from that. You have in the conversation.

I just always liked you and wanted you. You wouldn't be here if I didn't like you. I appreciate it. A lot and wanted to get to know you that's what this is for sure I think you're over stressing about your daughters entering a world that is As big of the problems we have This world is not a fucking nightmare. This country is not a nightmare Realistically, what is going on in their lives that is such a fucking nightmare? I mean, they're going off to

college, I imagine? Yes, they will be. Okay. Eventually, yes. About next four or five years. Right. And they obviously have great support from you, I mean, financially and otherwise. Yes. I mean, colleges are about the most liberal places you can go. You can't really be thinking that black women in 2022 are gonna walk on campus and I'm just like, oh my God, there's black people at this college. I mean, you know, what are we talking about?

I'll tell you. That is gonna be so horrible. I'll tell you, I was watching new rules a few weeks ago. And Bill Maugh pointed out how much the world has changed when you look at the progressives and what have you. I mean, every little thing is so micro-man, you say one thing, it can end your career. Of course.

You say one thing it can get you fired. You say one thing it can get you it's scorey, it's scoreyated. It can end your career. Of course. You say one thing it can get you fired. You say one thing it can get you a scurry, excoriated, it can compromise your income. It can eradicate your quality of life, et cetera. And that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that. Tell my canceling. Yes.

I'm not talking about all of this other stuff. All of this other stuff we've been doing. Right. This shit. It's too much. Okay. It's too much. Okay. It's too much. Right, and anybody can get canceled, but I'll tell you this, as black women in America

right now, they have an easier time not getting canceled than I do, I'm the one who's playing with five fouls. That's right. I'm over 60 white male heterosexual. Yes, that's four strikes. That's right. I'm over 60 white male heterosexual. Yes, that's four strikes. That's right. But think about that. The fact that you can say that that's four strikes

is a problem. It is. I'm just gonna say, I don't see anything wrong with any four categories you brought up. And to be clarified, I'm not saying four strikes in society in general. I'm saying four strikes with the kind of woke puritans is really what they are who are hunting on the internet for to cancel somebody just finding a

reason to do it. Yes. Yeah, I mean, you're like, I mean, a lot of people believe you, you really shouldn't even be able to comment on racial issues if you're not. Oh, it's ridiculous. Oh, please, it's ridiculous. Thank you. It's ridiculous. I totally agree with you. I know. It's a straight bullshit.

You always reach the wrong. It's straight bullshit. Listen, you got every right to comment on it just like anybody else. Of course. I mean, it's like, and I'm, here's my point. If you would, if you disagree, this is the problem. This is one of the biggest problems that I have. Whether it's Bill Maugh, Steven A. Smith, or anybody else, you disagree with us, tell us why.

You want to cancel us without the explanation. You want to cancel us without defending your position. How dare you? Because they don't have a position. They don't have a position. Every week I say this, The same sort of buzz kills on the internet who come after me, engage with the argument and they never do.

Thank you. It's just your old. Okay, but am I wrong? Are you right? Or are you wrong? Maybe that's why I'm right because I've lived and seen things you have in it. And that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, okay. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, okay. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And that's what has me worried. Do you understand Bill? Really? Let's put this in this proper perspective. We are living in a society where if I disagree with the woman, my tone has to be right. Right. my tone has to be right.

Right. My vocabulary has to be right. You remember? I remember Bill. Yes. I'm live. There's not even a seven-second delay. I didn't make your life.

I'm live. 18 years. I'm live. I can't just, you know, listen, my tone has to be right. Every ad verb, every verb, every adjective has to be right. Pronoun., every verb, every adjective has to be right. Pronouns.

I gotta be, oh, don't get me started with the pronouns now. I got to, I got to make sure, I got my daughters coming home from school teaching me about teaching me, about the pronoun, because the schools have indoctrinated them to such a degree that they check in the parents. And that's what I meant when I said, they're changing the world.

So when you say, oh, well, that's not gonna work in the real world, it is if it's their rules. Now it's their world. I appreciate it. It gives me hope, what you explain in, I'm open. I keep myself open-minded. I don't think they're making it,

I'm not married to my position. If I'm potentially going to go on, I will embrace it and I appreciate that. But I will confess to you, I thank you for that. Because it's scary, is that? It's fucking scary. It's scary. When we see you, when we worry about ourselves,

look man, I ain't worried about me. I'll deal with whatever I got to deal with. I'm from the streets of Highlands Queens. Hell, I got millions in the bank. God has blessed me to have a few million dollars in the bank. I grew up with nothing, I'll be okay. I could live in an apartment tomorrow if I had to. Well, you got two daughters that changes the game

because you don't want them to have the life that you have. And the fear comes in because you're looking at this world and you're like, what the hell is going on? And so this liberal that is Bill Maugh goes on national television and he calls out the liberals because you're saying like, yo, I'll wit you, but you hurt in our cause. Because you're not handling business

the way you supposed to. And you preoccupied with bullshit. Hearding our cause and sometimes yes, but also like not always my cause at all. Like there's a lot of people we, it's like wait, wait, wait, no we, don't come out, no we, don't speak for me. I mean, Michael Moore, I love him,

one of my best friends, he was on my side. I like Michael Moore the other night and he said, my best friends. He was on my side. I like Michael Moore. The other night, and he said, we have to get out there and vote. And it was just like, it was a little off to me because I'm like, and I even said to him, Michael, you know, there are Republicans who watch this show. You know, just let's not assume the we.

Exactly. You gotta earn my vote. That's exactly correct. And say, and the be real clear, which you know, neither party really is is when I say we have to when I say we have to start with the bullshit, I'm not pointing to think at progressives or conservatives. I'm pointing at it both. I'm saying what happened to us being the society that we're supposed to be. We can have our differences with our political points of views

and what our policies may be, but the goal is supposed to be all of us being together in a civilized society and the society flourishing as a result of that. It's not supposed to be, I want my way, fuck your way. That's not supposed to be it, but that's what they've been doing. And so for me, when I think about what you're talking about, I totally get it.

And I'm like, okay, that leaves us hope because you're looking for somebody to call people out. Because again, we're both in the television business, we pay attention to ratings and all of this other stuff. And the reality of the situation is that Trump was good for some people's ratings. Right. Bad for others. And so, you know, he's gone now in ratings to fault it. Not really bad for anybody.

Well, well, you could say that. But I know that. I mean, he was good for Fox, and he was good for MSNBC. Well, I'm talking about bad, what's he's gone? He's bad for CNN, was he not? Rating is wise? Rating is wise. No, I'm talking about bad once it's gone. He's bad for CNN. Was he not? Rating is wise. Rating is wise. No, everybody. What's not? I don't think so. Okay. Everybody wants TV. No. Donald Trump was that accident you couldn't take your eyes off. That's right. So people were just watching news. Right. Right. And he was always doing something incredibly

mental that you had to like, that's right. So you called him out for the things that he did for the things that he did. It wasn't like, I don't like the guy. And like, listen, I don't like it. I don't like the things he does. I don't like what I've seen either. I'd never vote for him. That's the surefire way you won't get my vote.

Well, you won't get my vote on that side of this. He was the nominee. Can't vote for him. He's too divisive. I get that. But I think as a black man, let me be very, very clear. So you got civil rights legislation in 1964. You got voting rights after 1965.

You got Lyndon Johnson at basically, you know, purportedly said purportedly. I don't know where this short nut. He says if we put forth this legislation, we'll have the Negro vote in our favor for the next 50 years. Ever since that time, black folks have voted democratic for at least 90% of the time. I understand what I'm seeing from the conservative side. I don't like it.

And I know the shornhand of these in the world, the Mark Levin's in the world. I know these people. I speak to them. You know, I don't agree with their policies, but I respect the fact that they're honest about where they stand. They ain't sugarcoating it, all right? But then I go to the left and I'm like, well, you got our vote. I voted Democrat at least 99%.

I only voted for the vote of four was Chris Christie. So only for the Republican, because I thought, of course I was a crook, okay? And I was only, but it's only for the Republican, I've ever voted for. But I also look at it and I say my mentality. Why must I be so transparent among my support of one party over the other? Because by being so transparent, I got one party that's enabled me that that that's allowed to take me for granted.

I got the other party that has a license to ignore me because they know they're not going to get my vote because they've never gotten more than 10% of the votes since 1964 with the exception. I think of maybe Trump that got 12%, okay? And so as a result of that, we're the ones that disenfranchised. So when they invoked laws that would eradicate Jim Crow, would that took care of it in the South? What about the North?

What about the West? What about the Midwest? What did you do for them? Because all of a sudden we got these issues. And what I'm saying is that I think like that and I appreciate the fact that I'm watching a guy every Friday night that thinks like that that's willing to say, yo, this is what it is, okay.

That means a lot to me. And that's what it is, I'm sincere. I'm sincere, I was like, the fact that you're willing to say, hey. Well, I got a second night now. That's what I'm saying. I'm sincere. I'm sincere. That's like the fact that you're willing to say, hey. Well, I got to say goodnight now. That's what I have to say. Yeah. Well, thank you for the hand to see you.

Yeah, I love this. I can do it every week with you. Man, I appreciate you. We will have a morning show together. I doubt that. I don't like getting the water. I will not have gone to bed yet. And you will just have gotten up.

And it'll be very interesting. Yeah. All right. Oh, man. Thank you. And you all just have gotten up. And it'll be very interesting. Yeah. All right. Tell me. Thank you. Thank you so much, buddy. All right. All right.

Climb. Rhythm. You know, I go right back to work on my real show now. Yeah. You know, you have to do. You know. Climb right now. you