Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Antoine Walker’s CRAZY Michael Jordan story, meeting Jeff Teague, winning NBA title w/ Wade's Heat

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

We’re back with Season 3, Episode 25 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by former NBA player Antoine Walker who played for the Boston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Atlanta Hawks, and others. Antoine talks about playing for Kentucky, and what he calls the greatest college basketball team of all time. The guys then get into Antoine having to guard Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, and other elite power forwards. Walker tells a story about Michael Jordan calling him to help him train in his comeback to the NBA. Jeff and Antoine share a story of the first time they met each other, talk about winning an NBA title with Dwyane Wade on the Miami Heat, and share more NBA stories from Walker’s career. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen, Twine, all your feats was always correct. You know a lot about shoes, my man. His signature over here, the black forces with the white laces in Chicago. What does that shoe mean, man? Well, it's just about Jordans in Chicago, man. It's, force is cool, but Chicago's about Jord mean, man? Well, it's about Jordans in Chicago, man. Force is cool, but Chicago's about Jordans, man. Got to think MJ, it's an 84, man.

So everybody's been about Jordans. I can only imagine growing up in Chicago and the peak of MJ, we're like, how was that to get to New Jordans when they first dropped while MJ still killing up the street? Well, I couldn't get them, man. I was from the hood, poor. I ain't getting them hoods till I got late in the game, but yeah.

But no, it's a thing here. I mean, obviously we all grew up Bulls fans and so everybody hears about Jordans. That's like the hottest ticket, I think still to today in Chicago. Ah, for sure. They still on the feets all around the world. For sure, to my right, my dog, young Nacho, young T,

how you what? Cooling, man. I've been waiting for this POP for a long time. We got an OG in the building. Showed me a lot of love when I first got to Atlanta. So I appreciate him. So if I'm gonna step on the pod with us and have a good time, talk hoops, talk life.

I'm excited about this. Yeah, for sure, man. Listen, man, we excited to do this episode, man. He always showed love from the very beginning, man. So we very happy to do this, man. Listen, champion in college, in the NBA 12 year event, man. We got Chicago's very own, man. Ayy Walker, appreciate you pulling on this big dog. Man, appreciate do this, man. Listen, champion in college, in the NBA 12 year event, man. We got Chicago's very own, man. Ayy Walker, appreciate you pulling on this big dog.

Man, appreciate having me, man. Long time coming, man. Real deal. Big fan of what you guys have established in this space, man. I know it's a big space with everybody in it, but you guys are unique, man. I enjoy watching it. Appreciate it.

I appreciate that. We talk about Chicago's finest, man. Talk about high school, Mark Quarman. You started out with Donovan McNabb, man. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, man. So finest, man. Talk about high school, Mark Quarmer, you started out with Donovan McNabb, man. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, so me and Donovan went to high school together all four years, but the funny thing about it, Donovan was,

he was a two-sport player, but great quarterback. We all know his quarterback history and how good he was, but he was a really, really good basketball player. And he got recruited to sports. A lot of people don't know he played for Syracuse. He didn't get any minutes, but even when we won the national championship, he was on the team, he was on the roster,

he was on the bench. So that's where he got recruited as. He was one of the best athletes I ever seen. I don't know if he could have been pro. That might have been a stretch, but definitely could have played overseas and made money playing basketball. You know what's crazy?

Shout out to the Jour's back in the days. Journey's used to have random throwbacks, but I had a high school, the Malcolm majority of the diamond McNabb. I was like, this is another diamond, another McNabb. I didn't know this nigga who? When I see that, I was like, that nigga's got the high school throwback,

he must've been nice. And our school's a football school, so you know what I'm saying? So it, you know, obviously, they football program was incredible, but he helped me put the basketball team kind of probably on the map. He was a big part of that,

and he was a real two-sport player. Damn, that's crazy. So do you feel like pro football players can hoop in the NBA? There you go. I mean, that kind of opened up the beta a little bit. No, I don't think that. I don't think that.

I have a high level of respect for guys that make it to the NBA. Right. I love football, I love baseball. Baseball is my first love. I don't think I could play in the major leagues. You know what I mean? I don't think football players play in the league.

It's different. Okay. Yeah. It's the reason why, you know what I mean? It's only, you know, the roster's obviously extended, but at one point it was only 12 pros, man. Yeah. The rosters are 12. I think it got to 15 now with the, you know, the Rosses obviously extended, but at one point it was only 12 pros, man. The Rosses are 12. I think it got to 15 now with the, you know,

obviously with the G League, I mean the D League and G League and all that shit, it extended, but nah, I don't think so. Before we get into your career, man, let's just screw it for sure. T, you gotta talk about the first time y'all linked up, man. First time I met Twon, man, we was, I was a young pup in Atlanta, and you know,

I just had turned 21, got drafted. I wanted to go test my waters, test my luck in Atlanta. So I go to the infamous, the most famous club in Atlanta called Magic City. I walk in there young, don't know what to do. Don't know nobody in there. Smooth sent me. I go in there, I'm looking around.

Somebody come take me, you know, grab my hand, tell me where to go, where I need to sit and everything. He didn't know me from a can of paint. And he seen me from a distance, I think somebody might have told him something like, oh, he young fella, he just got drafted. He called me over there, I come over there, he opened a briefcase, threw me some ones, man.

I ended up having a time that night and I never forgot that. I'm like, damn. And I was just like, is that how you supposed to do it? Like, am I doing this all wrong? But I just remember having that time there and it was like a welcome to Atlanta. You know, you hear all them music videos

and all this stuff about Magic City and then going in there and then see you and I knew you from the cover of Live. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's Antoine Walker. And then for you to even embrace me, you ain't even know me. I was just a young dude and a dude that had meant a lot.

Yeah, but that was my thing, man. I was really one of those dudes that like, I was a bad, I consider myself a basketball savant, man. I follow the game, I'm a student of the game, but I'm a fan of the game. So I watch everybody. You know, I'm a part of, my family's a part of the AAU circuit,

you know, McIver and Flyer. So they raised Mr. Irvin, raised me, God rest his soul, raised me. So I just follow basketball. It's like it been in my DNA for so long. So I know all the players. I watched college, high school, you know, pro. This is part of my situation where I do every single day. So when I seen it, I always try to make sure, you know, the young guys

you can take care of. I came in league at 19, man. So I I seen it, I always try to make sure, you know, the young guys, you can take care of, I came in league at 19, man. So I played with a bunch of vets. Rick Fox, D Brown, Dana Barrels, Purvis Ellison. I played, so I was the young guy on the team. So those guys kind of like, and I was 19 turning 20, so I really couldn't do the club. They had to really kind of gangbang their way in

to get me in. So it was like one of those things, when I seen those guys take me up under their arms and show me how to do it, I always said when I become a vet, I'm gonna do the same thing. I got freaky teeth popping. You start weird.

Yo, when you started. Hey, but you know what, for Chicago, people understand Chicago, we don't have strip clubs. Okay. You know, so we don't get that experience. So I think that's what it was for me. When I got to Atlanta, I got to really experience the strip clubs. You know, so we don't get that experience. So I think that's what it was for me. When I got to Atlanta, I got to really experience the strip club.

Like I had heard about Magic City, heard about it, now I'm actually can be able to go to it whenever I want to. Yeah, I took advantage of that. Yeah, for sure. And that time period, like the whole early BMF for you too. Yeah, that was actually the crazy part. They had just got back out.

So I missed the first part. So I caught that second wave when they got back out. Like right around that time, like they had went in and they got back out. So them boys was doing it big. I can only imagine. Who was the first city you went to a strip club in? Was it Atlanta?

I went to Atlanta. Dallas too. People mentioned Dallas. Dallas was bad. Dallas wasn't bad. They're probably my two favorite cities to have them. Ah, okay. And then every other city was kind of, just so-so,

but when you want to turn up, it was probably those two. Yeah. Dallas and there. But show me, listen, we gotta get to it, man. What made you commit to Kentucky, man? Jamal Mashburn. Jamal straight up. I just kind of loved the way he played.

He kind of mirrored my game. You guys know. So when I came out, I was kind of, you know, in the AAU circuit, I got to play the point, one, two, three, but in high school, you know, obviously I was like a four man. So it was a little different. So I just got an opportunity,

when Coach Pitino came to my crib and he was showing me the Mashburn highlights, he was like, I'm gonna So it was a little different. So I just got an opportunity, when Coach Pitino came to my crib and he was showing me the Madsburn highlights, he was like, I'm gonna let you do what he do. I was like, man. You know what I mean? I could shoot the three, I could be able to put the ball on the floor, handle it. So I was like, man, this is the perfect spot for me.

But it really was because of Madsburn, man, because the style of play. I wore 24, he gave me his number. And I was just like a huge, I was a huge fan of his game. I thought that's the kind of game I can be like when I came into college. So that's what really made me pick there. And then obviously the atmosphere and everything.

See, I went there, they were only one year fresh off probation. I don't know if you guys are familiar when they went on probation. So Coach P was just building it back up to be in the powerhouse. So that's what made it special for me. That was the reason why I picked it though.

I mean, because of the style of play and how Madsburn went there. For sure man, Uncle Rick, y'all had a squad too with DA on that team too? Yeah, DA transfer. We had- Tony Dill. Nine pros.

Yeah, that's crazy. So you think y'all, hold on, before you tell me all the pros, I just wanna add. Oh shit. You think y'all the best Kentucky team? I think we the best team ever in college basketball. I'll talk your shit. But I'm not saying it to be, you know,

because being biased, I'm just, one, I would say the march and the victory, we won by like 24, 25 a night. So when you look at our numbers, you'd be like, oh, he was cool. But I ain't playing the last seven, eight minutes of games. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people don't even understand that.

So our numbers look a little crazy. I let the team in minutes at like 27, 28 minutes a night. You know what I'm saying? Most guys are playing 35, 36. So our numbers could be totally different if we got a chance to play. But most games, but just, man, we had nine pros. Man, our practice is to be honest with Hardee

and our games, I'm not gonna even front. Who all was the pros on your team? Myself, Tony Dill, Walter McCarty, Derek Anderson, Jeff Shepherd, Mark Pope. Reece Shepherd pops, right? Uh-huh, Jeff Shepherd played in Atlanta. Mark Pope, the head coach. He played four or five years with Indiana and Denver.

And I feel like I'm missing one more to make the ninth one. It'll probably pop up to me here shortly, but yeah, we was strong, man. Damn. Y'all forgot about Scott Padgett. Nah, I know Scott Padgett, so y'all think you better than Cat, Book, who else they had, the two twins.

The twins, Tyler Ullis. Yeah, they were good. They had a squad and they did their thing. I was, I wanna watch a lot of those games. I was very supportive of them. And then they had Book as your sixth man, Speaks Valium. So I see where you at with it, but no. Well, we beat people by 25.

They cold. They superstars. And especially that time period, the competition around that time was crazy too as well. What you gotta think about, we something different. We think, when you think about us, you think about UNLV, that 90 team. Oh yeah.

The Jordan team. You know what I mean? North Carolina. You don't really put that 90 team, the Jordan team. You know what I mean? You don't really put that Kentucky team in that same. Because they ain't winning. You don't put them in the same breath as when you talk about that. So I always, it's an argument. I mean, I love that UNLV team in the 90s.

I mean, that 1990 team. You know what I'm saying? So it's hard, you know what I mean? That Jordan, I didn't get a chance to watch a lot of that, you know, Michael Newman, they put Mike with him in that conversation, MJ and them team, but I like us and the 90 team. And then we gotta give respect, let's give respect what respect do.

That Michigan team was tough for B Freshman. For fast father. For B Freshman, you gotta like, we gotta give them that respect. But y'all better than them. I give you that. Yeah, y'all probably the best team. Y'all blew everybody up.

We didn't bring up Mook, Kentucky team. No, Mook can never get beat. Damn, it's too loud. Y'all the best team. Y'all blew everybody up. We ain't even bring up Mook, Kentucky team. I ain't even. Mook and them get beat. They ain't just too loud, but they raising the bar. To my 12th, yeah, 12th team stuff. They were good. Yeah, but it's quiet. They had, they was too, well Mook and them was big too.

Mook and them was big, T. Jones, Anthony Davis, Kidd Gill. They had a big team too. They was loaded. I mean, it's been a good game. But like you said, non-pros and pros. Like what you doing? You damn near the original stretch four.

I'm gonna tell you, it's me, stretch four, probably me, Derek Coleman, Shea Wallace, stretch four. But you had that pity patty though. Yeah, they couldn't drip. Yeah. Hell, me. They couldn't handle it.

That's how you bought your game after? You told me that one day. Them and Twan, we was built the same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I, cause I, it was a lot of, it was a lot of people back then, but I felt like you was just way more skilled than everybody. Just because you had that handle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I feel like you were, you more of a modern day player like today.

Let me tell you what's funny. So this is really a true story. So, AAU circuit, I'm on the AAU circuit, and just back when they changed it, when you had to play with your state, you remember you used to go to camp. So my sophomore year, I went to Nike All-American camp. They put you on different teams, you know what I mean?

But so the next year, the NCAA changed the rule. You had to play with your actual state and city. So our point guard that we took, Mr. Irvin, don't forget this, the point guard that we took got hurt the first day. And Mr. Irvin was like, huh, you the point. I'm like, what? I ain't never played point guard in my life.

He was like, you the point. Man, by the fifth, what? I ain't never played point guard in my life. He was like, you the point. Man, by the fifth day, bro, I'm leading the camp in assists and scoring. And this is reloading like Stefan there. Stefan was right behind me. Felipe Lopez, Gerard Ward. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, camp is crazy, it's SunnyCal.

And that's what took me over the top. Like I went from like top 50 to, I left that top five in the country. And it was, it was history after that. But it was because one of the point guards got hurt, he just threw me the ball, it was like, you know, you the point. And so I got to play point guard.

So it was over after that. Did you grow up always dribbling and stuff? Yeah, I always wanted to, yeah, dribble. That was all my thing. And then when I went to camp with Stephon and all them, and they was showing me all them tricks. And you know what I mean? Like we'd be working on them dribbling moves.

So I just, I started taking a liking to it. So I just became a big part of my game. That's crazy. That's a true story right there. No, it just threw me the ball like, yo, you the point at All-American camp. That's crazy. Like, and I just, I'm,

her arms, I let the camp for like the first five days. I ran out of gas though. Like game six out. Bring that ball up. Yeah. But it was cool. It gave me an opportunity to put me on a bigger stage. My recruiting went through the roof.

Man, I left there. I mean, I was top five in the country. It was over. What's it like playing for Rick Pitino? So I got a story for you. My dad, Rick Pitino first coaching job was in Boston University. My dad was on that team.

He was the point guard for BU, Rick Pitino's first job. My dad said he was crazy. He said they had him holding bricks, doing defensive slides, all type of crazy stuff. Y'all was good. Was he crazy with y'all? Yeah, he was crazy, but he was a good crazy, if that makes sense. You know, he gonna push you to the max. You gotta work hard.

My first year was really tough. I'm gonna be honest. I wanted to transfer at Christmas. You know, you to the max, you gotta work hard. My first year was really tough for me, I'm gonna be honest. I wanted to transfer at Christmas. Now you get the little Christmas break, I wanted to leave after that. But back then when I came out, you had to sit out. So I would have to literally sit out the whole next year to play, so I was like, man, I can't,

I ain't finna sit out the whole year. But he gonna make you work hard, man. But one thing about him, he gonna get the best out of you. You gonna be in the best shape of your life. He's gonna maximize your talent. If you guys even know like someone, obviously he coached me in college, but when he came to the pros,

I mean I made the All-Star team the first year because he knew, he moved me from the three. I went to pros, I played my whole rookie year at small forward, my whole rookie year. So which was cool, but you know, that's guarding Scottie. You know, that's guarding like elite three men in the league. You know what I mean? So he moved me to four.

He was like, you move me to the four. He was like, you finna have the advantage on the offensive end. You're gonna have to bulk up a little bit. So I went from like 225 to 240. Like he was like, you're gonna guard fours, but we're gonna move you to the four. You're gonna have your most success.

And that was the best thing for me. I made the All-Star team in 98 off that. That's crazy. That's good for you though. You can always rebound. So that was easy to get down there and bang. But I just see it was ability now because I can dribble,

so I could put me in the one-four pick a roll. So I said that's that stretch. You get started getting spooky. Come on out here on this three-point line. I gotta thank Coach P for that because I went to the league as a small four. I was going threes. And even we won a championship in Miami,

I played all three. Cause you remember UD was there. I gotta remember UD was a star in power four, and they had just went to the Easter Conference finals when I signed there. So Rouse was like, yo, I played a three. He love UD, y'all. We know that. You know, he love UD. So he was like, yo, you gotta play the three. He love UD, y'all. We know that.

We know that. You know he love UD. So he was like, two things. He was like, yo, you gotta learn how to play the three. And he was like, you gotta come off the bench for a little bit. He was like, till they figure it out. Cause I played for Stan first.

A lot of people don't know that Stan was the coach in the first game. He came down. He stepped down, yeah. So I was coming off the bench. No, Pat came down. Yeah, I was supposed to see Pat came down. He was like, yeah. So I was coming off the bench. Pat came down. Yeah, I was supposed to see Pat came down, yeah. He was like, yeah, it was 10 and 10, Shaq was hurt.

He was like, man, come on down, I'm coming down. Fire stand. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy work. I tried to stay there, man. Now we see what's going on with Jimmy, we was like, hey, Pat been on this for a long time, boy.

Pat different dude. Oh! Pat been on this for a long time, bro. What's up with Jimmy? Oh yeah, Jimmy messed up. Yeah. He went to the media. Don't go to the media.

Not with Pat Riles. Not when he got the microphone and he got the pen. Nah, and it's funny, cause they was talking about it, like it was anonymous quote, quote, unquote. They was just like, hey, one thing you don't do is don't fuck with Pat Riley cause he ain't got nothing to lose. And everybody was like, what the fuck that mean?

And then we came out, seven game suspension. He was like, God damn. Can't even play. What was that adjustment though, from college to the NBA though, at Boston? Cause you had, what you had was like 17 or something, you were here? Yeah, 17.

Yeah, like 17. It was hard for me because we were terrible, man. I won, I don't know if you guys know, man, I won 15 games. Yeah, I had the worst record in NBA history. But the best thing for me was, yeah, but the best thing for me is I played for ML Carr. Okay, OG.

So ML was the GM and the head coach of the team. And basically, you know, after like 30 games, he was like, he see me wanna do nothing, he was like, it's your show. And he just let me play. So I got a chance to play through my mistakes and get some real minutes. You know what I mean?

Sometimes when you come in, you don't get an opportunity to do that. So he let me play through my mistakes and that's why I was able, I think I was like 17, and now I was able to put up some decent numbers. Yeah, he is a rookie, that's fire. I was right behind AI.

You know, y'all know what AI was over there. Oh yeah. Yeah, AI was cooking and work, but they were losing too though. But AI was cooking too, so me, him, Ray Allen, and that class too were all doing really, really good. But it was hard though, but I just kinda like, cause I was just coming from college, man,

but I just lost six games in two years. I think my first year, we lost four games at my freshman year, four or five, and then we won the championship, we was 36 and two. So I hadn't lost a lot in the last couple of years. So it was like trying to stay focused. And so they did a, I was, you know, I had the credit, but I played for a Hall of Fame staff.

A lot of people don't know that, that was connected with the organization. Dennis Johnson, God rest his soul, he was on that staff as well. KC Jones was on the staff as well. Tommy Heintzen obviously was calling the game. So it was a lot of the old guys. Red Allback was still alive and still coming to the games.

So I was around a lot of tradition, JoJo White. I'm thinking about everybody that was just in the gym all the time. Yeah. Right. So it was like, so it was cool. So they was kind of like starting to build it around a little bit. What was that oh shit moment though in the NBA?

Like who'd you match up with? It was like, God damn, this ain't nothing like college. Man, the person guarding me was Dennis Rodman. He's super strong, man. Quick feet, couldn't really score on him. That was a challenge for me. But guarding, Tim Duncan, man. I mean for me, he's a player of power forward, bro.

I mean, footwork, big dude, got all the moves. You can't, he ain't gonna talk to you. He ain't give you no, you know, he ain't give you nothing back. You know what I mean? Probably my best, and then my best matchup would be probably a ticket. Me and KG had some moments. Some, like, especially when I first came in the league,

because KG was in Chicago, but he not from Chicago. So a lot of people in Chicago loved him for the one year he came up and played Ronnie Fields. So me and KG had some battles. We locked the summer league, it carried over into the real games, but that's the one guy that we had. The two games we played were gonna be special. Michelle, listen man, talk about it, man.

You was probably one of the best All-Star games ever, that 98 joint, man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please tell me about that experience, man. First All-Star game, it'd be one of the most historical ones in hindsight, too. Yeah, it was at Cousins in New York. I mean, it was in Madison Square Garden.

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Hope you could join us for the post-season run. It's been his last year. To be a part of that, to be a part of that, even though it was a circus, kind of like, you know what I mean? But it was dope to see him go out the way he did and to be a part of that, to be a part of that. It was a circus, kind of like, you know what I mean? But it was dope to see him go out the way he did and to be a part of it. And to play a significant role.

I got like 20 something minutes that game. I was geeked up. I was happy about that. You know what I mean? And it was my first one too, to be at Madison Square Garden and playing in my first game too was special. But it's something I will always remember. That locker room and, you know what I'm saying?

I couldn't sit on the back of the bus. You know, imagine you get on the bus and they're like, look, you up top? Yeah, you can't sit in the back of the bus with the guys. It was just, the whole experience was dope to be a part of that and to see Mike go out like that. I liked it better in 98 than when he, and I was, you know, lucky I was part of,

we could talk about that, I was part of both of them when his last one was watched, when he was watching Wizards 2. Yeah. That's crazy. We talked, we got to have KG on the show. could talk about that, I was part of both of them, when his last one was watching the Wizards too. Yeah. That's crazy. We got to have KG on the show, he talking about that opening situation with a lot with him and Kobe.

It was just like, that was Kobe's coming out party, and he was trying to pit him against Mike. It's a legendary moment, especially for the All-Star game. We talk about how lackluster it is now. Them moments help make a lot of Hooper's memories for like good moments for basketball. Oh yeah, and then the know what's crazy, man. The guys, you know, it was crazy.

Prize money was not, obviously not as big back then, but guys was like, man, I want this 20,000. You know what I mean? We gonna win, we gonna compete. Well, these guys now getting 250, 300, half million dollars to play. It's different now, but. So I understand, I see why they struggling there,

cause these guys probably don't understand, but the money was different. You know, this different now. You got guys making 30, 40, 50 million. They like, I ain't looking at that. Like, ah, what's up, Vane? We just talked about that. Like you said, 250 now, they sneezing at that.

But 20 Gs, that's not even pulling up. Yeah, but guys, we played. Guys playing for that prize money, man. Man, like we was in that, they was getting it on. At least that, you knew that second, you knew either, you knew that third and fourth quarters was going to be competitive. Even if the first and two wasn't right, but that third and fourth was gonna be good.

So I know we talked, we kind of skipped over, we went to your pro, but you was part of the best draft class ever. Yes sir. And I just wanted to point that out. Like you said, you know, you said Boppa Chuck Iris and being the first pick and the list goes on. That draft class was so loaded.

Like, did you know when you was part of getting drafted, did you know like, man, I'm with a bunch of killers, or you thought like, man, I got snubbed, I probably should have been a no one pick. How did you like? No, my job process was, it was hard. I went, I worked out for nine teams. So I worked out from two to 11.

I didn't work out for the Toronto. I think they was picking one. So I didn't work out for them. But it was hard, like you had to go in there. And I didn't know to the draft day, the self-disclosive called my agent was like, look, we trying to move up and we're going to take them. I didn't know where I was going.

But there was some great workouts because back then, I don't know how they do it now. You competed against other guys. So like most of my workouts, I went in with all the small forwards. Sharif. So it was like Sharif, me, John Wallace, is Tim in that class?

Dante Jones, he's at Mississippi State. John Wallace, me, Walter McCarty, my teammate. So it was like six or seven of us. So a lot of times you'll come in those workouts and it'd be four of y'all in the same workout. So, and that's or seven of us. So a lot of times you'll come in those workouts and it'd be four y'all in the same workout. So, and that's what made it different. You let, maybe two teams I got to work out by myself. But all the rest of them was competitive workouts.

Like you had three, four guys in there, you go at it. They throwing the ball in the middle, like one-on-ones. I get it on, like type of shit. Like, so that's what made it really, really special. But I had great workouts. I felt good leaving everywhere. I ain't, I never of shit. Like, so that's what made it really special. But I had great workouts. I felt good leaving everywhere. I ain't, I never felt like I would, I didn't have a good workout.

And what I did that was different probably, I don't know what guys do now. I never left school. So I stayed up on the Coast Patino. So when I put my name in a draft, I stayed working out up under him. So I stayed doing the same workout. You know how most guys put their name in a draft.

They go in and get the card, they going to kick it. They going, no, no, no, I stayed locked in. Like I just stayed right there. I didn't move until the day after I got drafted, then I moved out of Lexington, Kentucky. But before then I just stayed locked in. But it was different though, you had to play. Like they made you play one-on-ones and you get it on.

So did you have a matchup with Sharif in the workouts? No, I didn't play against Sharif. I was actually surprised Sharif, cause I didn't really know much about him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like the other guys I knew a lot about, cause Sharif ended up going three.

Yeah. So he went off the board early. Yeah. Man, you know what I mean? He was nice though. He was hard. He was. Yeah he was nice.

But then I was like, he went to Vancouver. I was like cool. Hey I was like, I ain't gonna go to Vancouver. That's too far west. I was like, cool, I don't wanna go there. You know what I'm saying? So it was one of those situations. But that small four in my group in 96 was real tough.

But I mean, obviously I'm being a little biased, but I believe if you guys really look at the second round picks, Steve Nash went 13. I mean, no, Steve Nash went 16, I think. Kobe went 13. So you gotta really think about it. That draft was so deep. And the second round picks were really good players

in the league. You know what I mean? They helped teams out. So that draft was really, really good. I would say it's probably the best draft. I know they would probably say Jordan and Hakeem and all those other famous. I think one to 60 is us.

If you go all the way through, and you pick out a couple second round picks, dudes had some really good careers. Kerry Kittles went eight. Kerry Kittles with the socks, baby. Yeah, Kerry was good. That draft was loaded. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

When you really think about it and you go through it, you be like, man, it was a lot of good players since draft that had impactful NBA careers. Sure, most definitely. How was it, man? You know what I'm saying? You get your footing at Boston, and then you get your running mate,

pull up with you, Pauly P. Oh, it was cool, man. Cause see, Paul came in a situation where when Coach P first took over his first draft, and then Paul had a chip on his shoulder. Y'all don't know, Paul's supposed to have went like three or four in a draft. He's near the 10.

Yeah. So he slid on us like at number 10. So we, because people's like, we got to steal. And it was, it was, it was beautiful, man. Because me and Paul, we had so much respect for each other in the beginning. And our games didn't get in each other way. Yeah. If that makes sense.

You know what I mean? We, we, we didn't, you know, he played different type of games. You know what I'm saying? So it made it real easy for us, but we hit it off off the court. I think that's what I probably, our best thing was that me and Paul became friends early on, started hanging out, started building the rapport. And that's why we was able to play,

you know, five, six years together. And, you know, obviously we didn't win a title. We both ended up winning one, but we had a lot of success. We helped put the organization at least back in respectful. You know what I mean? To be respectful again. So that was fun. And the crazy part, we never argued, man.

We never got in each other's way. That was the, and Paul tough. I argue about to Paul all the time. He won the toughest at that position. He cold. Was it the first or second year that y'all had that great record? Y'all had it.

Well, what happened was, you know, so when Coach P came in, first year, we only won 15 games my rookie year. So we came in, we immediately jumped to 30 something. We didn't make the playoffs though. But everybody was like, yeah, we right there. Then that lockout year happened and we didn't improve. That was Paul first, that 99 year.

We only won like 20 games. I think it was like 52 games. We didn't improve. That was Paul first at 99. You won for like 20 games. I think it was like 52 games. We didn't make no noise. We were bad. And then in next year is when we took off. Coach Peake, we got to a bad start. Coach Peake stepped down. Jim O'Brien stepped in.

And then we took off at 149. Yeah, okay. That was the second year then. So it was like really like his second year that we took off on the gym of Bryan. But yeah, Coach Peake, you know, man, I played with about 50 dudes in two years. You know you can't do that in the league.

Nah. It was an indoor. That was crazy. It was a revolving door. No limit tanks. He wanted to press first of all. That was probably the biggest problem. That's out of pocket.

The league is crazy. That's why college coaches don't make it. He wanted to press. Cause doing that shit, two pocket. The league is crazy. That's why college coaches don't make it. He won the press. Cause doing that shit, two, two, one is crazy. So he won the press, that was first of all. So it was tough finding guys that can really fit into that. And once that was over, then he wanted to win. You know, you rebuilding.

You know what I'm saying? So his patience was over. He traded Chauncey Billers, bro. Chauncey Billers was our third pick. Chauncey Billers, bro. Chauncey Billers was our third pick. Chauncey Billers was about 40 games in the season. Are you just about at the 40th of the game? You might have played a little more of that. It's like 40 or 50, you're trading Chauncey.

But he was upset because that was taken for Timmy D. But we got three and six. We got the three and six picks, so we get Chauncey and Ron. You know what I'm saying? We rebuilding the team. We finna be good. Man, he out of pocket. I'm glad Coach P stepped out.

Uncle Rick, that's my dog, but you out of pocket for trading Chauncey there first year. Cause that trio would have been insane, bro. You gotta think, it was Chauncey, me, Ron, and P. Damn. It could have been, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I could have had some special. Yeah, that was nice.

Yeah, but you know, he got impatient. But from my understanding, he probably could tell the story different. He was in, you know, he loved Kenny Henderson. Cause he traded for Kenny. Yeah. Kenny was kind of like, I think he was, I would say he was out of his prime.

He wasn't bad, but he wasn't the prime Kenny. You know what I'm saying? But he always loved Kenny from New York. So he got an opportunity to get Kenny, so he got Kenny. I think that was some New York stuff they had going on. You know what I mean? Yeah, mob toss was up. Yeah, it was like that.

Yeah, but that's what made it special though. But man, yeah, I played with Chauncey, man. I played half a season with Chauncey. Like, Chauncey, what's up out of there, bro? Chauncey would have been a sense of life too, man. Where is your Chauncey too? Denver? Yeah.

Where's Chauncey? Yeah, Denver. Chauncey was in Denver first, then he, cause we got Brian Stiff, y'all know Brian Stiff? No. Oh, that's crazy. He wasn't on my line. Like, oh, we were Brian Stiff.

You must be 99. That boy here making me like I'm old. Oh, we were bruh Steve. We were bruh Steve Cusdill. Kid Fungdill. We were bruh Steve. We were bruh Steve. We were bruh Steve. What was more like, you know, you had your own shoe.

Yeah. We asked Jason Tatum the same thing. What was better, having your own shoe or being on the cover of the video game? Wow, that's a great question. I think being on the cover of the video game? Wow, that's a great question. I think being on the cover of the video game. Live too, and that was a special live too. Yeah. Man, what?

Yeah, live not just tough. One, the process of going through it, the making of it, it wasn't even about the bread, because the bread back then, probably what they paying now is probably quadruple what they paying the guys now, but just the fact of, I'm from to be in like 20 million homes. You know what I mean?

Like that was like the dopest part about it. Like in the- You definitely was in my career, but like we bought that gang. Live was- Yeah, Live was the shit. And that was before 2K. Live was that shit.

That was the last one though, wasn't it? Nah. Nah, before 2, we was 99, right? 98. Oh, 98, okay. Live still had a Nah, before too, you was 99, right? 98. Oh, 98, okay. Laugh still had a run when, cause remember Jordan came back on the Wizards and all that shit.

Y'all still playing Laugh today? People was playing Laugh today. I respect. Nah, cause 2K had a run in the beginning on Dreamcast, but then Dreamcast, and then 2K was kinda iffy until about- First 2K, I don't know, Dreamcast took over though. Yeah, but then Plays as you came back.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I respect. But it was dope though, the process, like putting on the whole little spandex suit and going through the moves. Yeah. You know, really feel like you gotta,

you know, be a part of it. They gonna use your moves and stuff for it. So I always thank my agent for that. Like, I'm like, man, this is one of the dopest deals you ever got me to be able to be a part of that. And to see where the game's at now, you know what I mean? At least I can go back and throw that. I can always show that little me on the cover.

I mean, that's how I was a part of it. Now when you hopped onto the game, did you pick your team? No, I never wanted to play with myself, but we played that game a lot. My boy over there, you know, we used to play that. That was it. We played video, man, all those games. That was our thing.

You didn't pick yourself? No, no. It's hard to pick all those games. That was our day. You ain't pick yourself? No, no. It's hard to pick myself. I pick myself every single time. I shoot that bug every time. If I'm on the cover of like, yeah. I'm 55 and eight, every day. When we look at the draw, I'll shoot every shot with me.

And I better be a 95 at least. I'm living out my dreams. Do they put the shimmy on the game? Absolutely. No, I didn't. That was before graphics got real. That was before it got real. Nah, that shit was a glitch, son. That was a game with a skip.

It was a shitty game turned on. I don't even remember doing it. Like, if you're doing it for the game, nah, I don't think that'd be a thing. And today, boy, they had that in the signature. That'd be a fire. I'm trying to think about it. Like, nah, I don't think... and I had a commercial, they didn't even use it for the commercial either. Maybe for the commercial,

they used it for the commercial. Damn. Did you realize like at that moment, you like, man, I'm a superstar? Or was it like still just like, I'm hooping, man? My biggest moment was probably outside of one, you know, we all feel when we get drafted, but outside of that, to be honest,

probably All-Star when I actually got selected to All-Star. When I was on that bus, bro, with all those dudes in that locker room, and as a fan, you gotta think I'm looking at Reggie Miller. I'm looking at, you know, Joel, I'm looking at Tim Hardaway, Alonzo Mourna. I'm looking at all the dudes. I just like, every day I'm on TV watching these dudes

and now I'm in the same locker room with them. You know what I mean? Larry Bird was the coach. Yeah, that is a crazy. You know what I'm saying? So it was just that whole thing. Then I'm in Madison Square Garden for the game. You know what I'm saying?

So I think that probably was when it really hit me, like, you know, I really arrived. Me and you got the same experience. My first All-Star game was in, my only All-Star game was in Madison Square Garden too. And that's how I had that same feeling, but you kept playing and kept your All-Star game. I was done.

I had my moment. I felt like I got snubbed twice. You know what I mean? The other years I didn't deserve it, but I felt like it was two other years I should have made it. But you was like sitting at the crib, like when they doing on TNT, they doing the reveal.

And you like, man, I know I'm finna make it. Now you make it, I was assaulted. What year was it? DC, I think they played in DC. I'm trying to think what year that was. You was there? Oh, it was 2-1-0-3, right? Yeah, I went, well, I played three

and then also the rookie game in Cleveland. So my first year I played, made the rookie team. That was cool in Cleveland. Cause we all, none of us made it, but Kobe. I think Kobe was the only one that made the real All-Star game. So me, AI, all us was on just the rookie game. For sure.

You talk about that other, you know what I'm saying? George's fly one. How was that game, man? What? The Jordan Lab one? Yeah. The last one? The real last one.

What'd he say? I'm about to say, my nigga, 2K quiz. Oh, my apologies. The real last one. My apologies. He army up. I knew he was talking about the other thing. My apologies.

The last one was special for me. Burning my muscles. All honesty, for me personally, that was the year MJ came back. I don't know if you guys are familiar, but when he came back in 03, I got a real, I got a phone call that summer and we, you know, I kind of like to troll the run with a pick up ball where we play that, which is actually right on the street that we were on filming. But the thing is, when he called me, he like,

yo, block number, you know, it's like you can call people block and everything, private number, and he like, yo, I hear you got a, you know, you got the run going, and I'm thinking about coming back. I'm like, it's like May, bro. I'm like, I'm about to go on vacation, kick it, we locked out the playoffs. He like, I'm trying to get in the gym,

and I need you to call everybody in the gym and get playoffs. He like, I'm trying to get in the gym and I need you to call everybody in the gym and get them in the gym, I'm trying to come back. So you know, Michael Jordan tell you that, you know, you like, man, I'm like, okay, everything stopped now, I'm back in the gym. So we stopped, we, I called all the guys, like yo, MJ wanna come back, and he wanted everything to be pro.

He wanted to work out in the mornings. So we all used to work out with Tim Grover in the mornings, lifting and doing our conditioning with him. And we played every day at two o'clock. I'm not talking about, man, Jim used to be 35, 40 pros. Like you lose, you might not get back, you may not get back on the court.

Like we used to have to start another court just so guys can get some work in. But everybody wanted to be on that main court. You know what I mean, going against him. But he wanted everything to be assimilated to coming back. So I got an opportunity of a lifetime, man. We became really good friends. I started hanging with him off the court,

spending a lot of time with him. And the best part was just his competitiveness, man. Just to see how he worked, how hard he worked, even at the age that he was at, and how good he was, and where I could see the separation to him and some of the greats and how he separates himself. Determine to win. I mean, every day was a battle, bro.

Just to talk shit. Like, who won today? Like, we know we're gonna play 10, 12, 15 pickup games. He wanna dominate that whole set. He wanna dominate that run just to watch how he took that. It just instilled a lot of me in like the work that you gotta put in to actually win the championship and to be at the level that he's at.

But those are invaluable years that I would never pass up. The two years I got to be with him and be up under his umbrella and watch him work. And especially at that age. And I finally got me one at 06. So I was able to talk some shit back to him. But he's the type of person like, you ain't never worn nothing.

Like if you ain't worn nothing, you can't really talk shit to him. He about winning. Yeah, like what's that? Like what's those moments like, like being with MJ and I heard this all the time. I've been around him sometimes and he just talk a bunch of shit.

Oh, it's incredible. I mean, he just like us, man. He talking big shit, not a bunch of shit, big shit. But I mean, how can you argue with him? You gotta like, you gotta find every good thing you got going on in life. You gotta find everything you can, man. But I mean, it's a real moment.

You know, you gotta think about it, man. We all grew up Michael Jordan fans, man. So to have an opportunity to be around him, to know him personally, to know his family, know his kids and be in his personal space was something that I always appreciated and always loved and valued to this day. You know what I mean?

So you don't pass up those opportunities. And we all did. Myself, Mike Finley, Juwan Howard, Kyrgyzstan, Bobby Simmons. Like all of us had the opportunity of a lifetime to be around him on a daily basis and workout and train with him. And it was special.

And it was, you know, it was fun memories, man. On and off the court. For sure, you talking about those names. But are there any younger players that's like almost an NBA or college kid that was around? Y'all seen like Blossom after those runs? Man, Bobby was one. Bobby comes up, Bobby ended up getting most improved.

When he started, MJ took him to Washington with him. I don't know if y'all know the story. So he went to Washington with MJ and then ended up trading to Milwaukee. And then Bobby ended up turning to, you know, most improved, I think he won six man, all that stuff. So to see him do that was one. And I think that came from being up on the mic too.

That's me personally, from watching it. Cause Bobby was always very skilled. And MJ kind of like injected that into him. Like you, you know, you could be better. You can be good. So that's the one guy that kind of, you know, sticks out to me like right off the top of my head that really benefited from that situation.

For sure. I'll start with you in the situation. Y'all can both kind of relate to this, you know, having a base in a great franchise for a long time, but then switch your teams the first time, you know what I'm saying, leaving boss for the first time, leaving the Hawks for the first time. How is that feeling?

Like, feel like you built something here, a big report, it's like, all right, now I gotta move on to start the next chapter in my career. What's that moment like? Man, I ain't gonna lie, man, I'ma keep it real. Man, I was cried like a baby. Like, I couldn't believe I got traded, bro. It was like, it was,

cause I felt like we was just starting to like, become one of the, you know, we did lose to New, we used to conference finals, we ended up losing to New Jersey, but we caught the New Jersey team when they were, they got to the finals back to back. What's up? J.K. and K-Mart.

But I felt like we was like, you know, that we was right there to like really turn the corner. So it hurt, like personally, about myself, I cried like, damn, I ain't want to go nowhere else. You know, we had built so much there, we were starting to, you know, really get to that next level and then to get traded, it was tough. But the best thing for my trade, a lot of people understand,

I got a chance to go play with three, you know, three great players, man. I got the chance to play with Mike Finley, Steve Nash, and Dirk. Yes, sir. And then Antoine Jamison was our sixth man. Damn. Y'all had a whip down there. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying?

So I went to a situation now, I knew I was gonna win where, and I didn't have to do it all. You know, in Boston, me and Paul felt like we had to go get 55, 60 a night. With that team, I didn't have to do that. We have four, five guys that can get it done. So that was different and that was a good situation.

But we just ran into that Sacramento team, man. That last Sacramento run, y'all remember that last run? Lankovich, Webb, Mike Bibby, all that. We ran into that last run. So we couldn't win, get over that hump. But that was, so I got traded to a safe, I would say a safe space. Well, you know, sometimes you can go to a situation,

you'd be down in Memphis at that time, it was bad. Who went to die. I could have went back to Atlanta with this, too. You know what I'm saying? I could have went to a bad situation, but I went to a winning situation, so I think that was, that's what helped me out a lot. Did you see that potential in Dirk?

Yeah, he was tough. I don't know if I saw MVP, no Dirk at that time, but I saw the skill set. The game was changing over when a big man could shoot the three, step out. Because Dirk don't really got a lot of shake me down. Everything is pump fake, air fake, and he legit seven feet.

So he getting it off with his arc and everything. So, but you can see it though. He was starting to get his toughness. Him and Steve Nash had a great chemistry together. So we had to fit, like I had to figure out how to play with them more so than, you know what I mean? Them having to figure out how to play with me. I had to like get in the corner, get some cuts,

backdoor cuts, you gotta like figure it out. Cause everything was going through those two guys. And a lot of people don't know for the younger people I had to like get in the corner, get some cuts, back door cuts. You gotta like figure it out. Cause everything was going through those two guys. A lot of people don't know for the younger people watching this, Michael Finley was a dog. Oh yeah. Mike was strong too. Mike was, Mike might've been the second league scorer. Cause you know Nash is more like a 15 to 15 type of guy.

But I think Mike was the second league scorer on that team. Yeah, the squad. Yeah, we was low to our top six was good. And we had Travis Best too. Y'all know Travis Best was nice too. Yeah, we know him. Travis Best is dribbling around. Air out there with a shot clock killer pull.

Yeah, so we had a, we had a proof of it. That's a ball hook legend. We were outfitting some games though. But we underachieved though. Losing the first round was an underachievement. You know what I mean? So that we never got a chance to see it out. Then obviously y'all know what happened this summer.

Steve Nash went to Phoenix. Broke that up real quick. That was necessary though. That was necessary. Yeah, Mark Cuban dropped the ball on them. He got Phoenix lit too. That's what I'm saying. That was necessary. Yeah, that's a sir.

Yeah, it's crazy how it could change in months. But yeah, he left. So that next year was your last year? No, I played my last year in the league. No, no, no. I'm talking about in Dallas. Oh, I did the one. After he got traded, he did the one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then Cube was like, yo, I gotta get a point guard. I got traded for Jason Terry. That's got traded, he did the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then Cube was like, yo, I gotta get a point guard. I got traded for Jason Terry. That's how he came to the hugs. He came and blessed the city. Yeah. I got traded straight up for Jason Terry.

That's how Jason Terry ended up there. And then I went and played half the year, like I was telling y'all earlier in the cast, man, it was terrible. So I was like, man. So, and the funny part about it, the Celtics called me, so I was still really good friends So, and the funny part about it, the self just called me. So I was still really good friends

with the equipment manager and people in the front office. So me and Danny Ainge, we had some words in the paper and everything. So we wasn't on the same page. So he's like, yo, would you come back? I was like, yeah. I was like, immediately. Please come get me.

Please come get me out here. Next thing you know, bro, I'm on the West Coast. They called me and was like, immediately, please come get me. Please come get me out here. Next thing you know, bro, I'm in the West Coast. They called me and was like, man, they traded back for me. So it was different for me because Doc was the coach. So I think, I wanna say, I don't know if it was Doc first year or if it was his second year. Was it 05? Yeah.

05, around that time. I don't know if it was Doc first year with the South or his second year. I think it was. I think it was. Right, so Doc was the coach. But it was dope because they were like five or six games of the 500,

and we won like 12 out of 13, like we took off. And ended up being in three seed and got upset by the Pacers. Yes sir. By you boys. We love the Pacers. I remember, I remember. Yeah, y'all beat us at seven games.

They gave me the fake suspension, fighting Jermaine on the other, the fake fight, like all that. I was just crazy, man. Like, yeah, that's how I went. And then I didn't, and then that summer I didn't sign back. The soldiers kind of low balled me and Miami offered me more money. I signed with Miami.

Is it true when you get to Miami, it's a real culture? Like- That body fat shit. Body fat. Yeah, I had my run-ins, bro. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, man. That was on that with you? Yeah, so the first time I get there, so when I signed, he's like, he came and he brought me in.

So I played at like probably between 255, 260. He was like, I need you at 250 and 10% body fat. You got 30 days. Like it's like you at 250 and 10% body fat. You got 30 days. Like, it's like you got, you know, cause training camp starts. So it's like, you need to get down here, figure it out. I need you, that's where I want you at my opening night. So I basically had two months to get there.

And he gave you a break until once the season starts, you got to weigh in every Monday. So every Monday you gotta weigh in. So he give you a number. So your number may be, like I said, my hours had to be between 248, 252 at that time. And then I had to be 10% body fat. So you gotta weigh in every Monday.

You gotta be at those numbers. If you don't, you get fined. That's crazy. You ever been on a team where they had that? Hell no. I had to check in. No. So how'd that go?

I mean, I would be crazy. I mean, it was cool. I had one episode that we didn't come in, but it was me, Posey, and Shaq. Y'all know how skinny Posey is. How Posey make his? But Pap was in one of the moves, so I got suspended once for like three games.

But yeah, he was on it every week. He used to be on it. That was like a pet peeve of his. So you got suspended if you didn't make that? Like that was a- Oh yeah, I got suspended three games for it. Not my first year, my second year I did. Shit.

Yeah. We got suspended three games. Shaq said he used to finesse it. I forgot his story. With the baby on. Yeah. Yeah, with the baby on. But Shaq, if you ever ask Shaq tell you a story,

Shaq always tell a story. Shaq, when we played, was three, like 320. If you ever look at it, but Shaq said he played him, the Lakers at 370. God, please. That's what he said. I mean, I don't know how true it is, but Shaq said he played with the Lakers at 370.

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370's probably the answer. And then you know Shaq was MVP. So he won the most one a couple of times at that weight. Yeah, he was the one. Yeah, at that weight. So yeah, him and Shaq used to bump heads a little bit about that. He said he used to skin him about that weight. Yeah, he was a quarter shaker. Yeah, at that weight. So, yeah, him and Shaq used to bump heads a little bit about that. Yeah. A little bit.

He said he used to skin him about that though. He said, well, I'll put that baby oil on me. Smooth, coolin' after that. That's where he got it from. But you know body fat too. Yeah, the gram does. Yeah, it slipped right off of him. You did the body fat with it.

You did the body fat with it. That's some smart shit though, Twine. You should have tapped in. You should have got damn Johnson. The baby officer, that's his craze. I was like 8.2 or something. I wasn't like off, man. I was, man, I changed my life for that.

Yo, I had full time cook. I was eating good. Like you had to like, you gotta buy in. Yeah. Like you gotta buy in to keep it up. So like, I mean, me, when I went to Miami, you know, we going out, we going to Tutsis, booby trap, whatever it is,

Liv, like living there and playing there and knowing that you got a body fat thing every Monday. What's that like? Do y'all go out? Man, we did. I ain't gonna lie. I will tell you this, the staying room became my best friend.

The staying room, like that was a big part of my resume. But yeah, we had to go out, man. How you gonna not go out? We in Miami's and then, you know, I was a big part of my resume. But yeah, we had to go out, man. How you gonna not go out? We in Miami's, and then, you know, I was in Miami when Liv first started. So it was just getting popping. Like everybody was just starting to come there, and then it used to be turnt up. I tell people I never party and play basketball, bro.

Like that in my life, when I went to Miami. Can't help it, man. It's 85 degrees outside. January 15th, 85, you know, everybody in town. So I had to discipline myself. So I started doing like this. And then you got friends on every team. So everybody call you like,

and they don't care about when you look. They don't even care about Miami got the best kept secret in the world. Home court events. Home court events. They don't even care. They call and like, yo, I want to get out. So you got to go out. That's the night I don't drink though.

I'ma go out, I'ma take you out, but I ain't gonna drink that night, I'ma try not to drink that night. You gotta do it on your own, wait till they gone. That was Atlanta though. Everybody come up here, especially the West Coast team. They come for that one game that year, everybody be drunk, everything.

Next time we knew we was gonna beat y'all by 20. Oh yeah, you definitely got an advantage. Oh, definitely, they gonna get wasted. Everybody probably. That's the only thing about it, tough part about playing there, you got to have discipline. You have to discipline yourself.

It's just nice every day, man. You know, you coming out of practice, 85 degrees. It's hard. You play good in Miami though. Yeah. I've played like 12, 13, yeah, something like that. But you know, I caught the prime D-Way. Yeah.

That D-Way, that was- That 36. Yeah. That's the slip on. That's the greatest finals ever, bro. I caught the active D-Way. You think that's the greatest finals of all? D-Way, you know we talk our shit.

We love you D-Way, you know what I mean? You kidding folk, but his finest performance is the greatest of all time, bro. Damn. Better than Dirk's. Yes. That's tough. D-Way average, I might be off.

35. I'm gonna get them to help you out. Yeah, it's 35. And how'd that stuff in the series off? 02. Yeah, so far. 02. Bro, he did that Miami and shout out to Twana and them, but he, this old school now. But, I want, yeah, yeah, two. Oh, two. Yeah, so far. Oh, two. Oh, bro, he did that Miami and shout out to Twana and them,

but he, this old school now. But, yeah, everybody was on the other side. I like D-Waves, and there's two other ones I liked that I thought was special. That old school one, MJ against Phoenix was something special. And then, Yannis. Yannis did go crazy. But Yannis missed. I'm asleep,. But Yannis missed the first game.

His performance, he was killing it. He knew how to shoot free throws that whole series. He was terrible before that. Brian. Oh, that makes sense. That's the one. I would love to see where Kyrie's on that list too. That's the best.

That's the best. That's the best. That's the best. The comeback of to see where Kyrie's on that list too. That's the best. That's the best. That's the best. That's the best. Come back to NBA. I think the NBA is ready. I'm different. I gotta rethink that. I forgot about bronze since 2016.

D-Way was ill, bruh. Nah, he was killing shit. And you ain't saying he sad, but I'm just saying that, bro. Him averaging that, like on that team, bro, at such a young, his third year in the league, bro, and willing y'all to the finals like that, bro. Come on, man. Hey, what's so far about y'all team?

Y'all had a lot of like savvy and good vestiges. Was J. Will what that say? Side point guard. Yeah, J. Will was good. What was good for D. Wade, and a lot of people don't know this, was GP. I was gonna say GP. Even though GP was older and wasn't the same GP,

but GP allowed D. Wade not to have to guard the main score, the two guards. GP guarded them late. A lot of people don't know that that GP closed most of the games out. Jay Will obviously started and everything, but GP closed a lot of the games out, so D Wade didn't have to guard at the two spot.

GP would guard those guys. And Posey, Posey was really good, you know, guarding perimeter guys too. So that's what was special about that team. The way we was able to protect him where he could be him on offense. So what was your game plan for Dirk? Let him see different looks.

You de-starred on him, I guard him, Pose guard him, let them see like four or five different guys, it didn't really work, he still had a great series, but you know, you know how you can get used to one guy guarding. We wanted to make sure he saw different bodies, different looks, you know what I mean? Like UD, no he's smaller, UD like six, six, six, seven,

UD gonna do a lot more frontin', gonna front him a lot more than maybe I will. You know what I mean? And so it's just like Posey, obviously you can't put on the floor with Pose, man. Posey had good feet. So we gave him a lot of different looks. I think that was our advantage for him.

And he still played great though. He still put up some numbers, but, and it was good for the guys too, cause everybody had to have that assignment by theyself. Sometimes you gotta take that punishment by yourself. have to have that assignment by theyself. You are such a, you gotta take that punch room by yourself. Trust me. I had D-Rawz in the playoffs.

Nobody else wanna switch off on him. MVP D-Rawz, I'm like, damn Jamal, switch. Oh you had MVP D-Rawz? And first time ever played in the playoffs, really. Ooh, wow. Yeah, they didn't wanna switch nothing, but it's all good. I was gonna ask you,

cause I was a part of a championship team. We ain't had no after party. We won a chip, people went home with their families, ate chicken nuggets, shit like that. What did y'all do when y'all won a chip? So we won it in Dallas, which was not good, but okay, we won it in Dallas. So Pat Rouse, he won it at the ballroom.

So yeah, guys had their families. So we started partying in there. DJ, food, everybody was kicking it. And then, shit, we told Rouse, we wanna go home. We wanna go to Miami, where it's lit. So we ended up leaving like six in the morning. A lot of people don't know that. We flew back at six in the morning.

The next, that morning, after partying, Rouse was like, everybody get their stuff, pack your bag, leave your family here, they gotta get home, we gone. And we went with Miami. We did, you did Kings of Diamonds, man. It was diamonds, I'm sorry, it was called diamonds. We went to diamonds the next night. We spent about 150 in that, bro.

The singles. But it was all of us though. You know what that looked like? Yeah, bro. My Lord. We was on the stage with the dancers. Damn Twon. Oh man, he's like the fool.

You had your jersey on? Nah I had my jersey on. I had my jersey on. I had my jersey on. I had my jersey on. I had my jersey on. 150 and singles was crazy. Yo, we went, we party right there bro.

And then for me personally, I left them. After the parade, I went on my 30 day hi, bro. And then for me personally, I left them. After the parade, I went on my 30-day hiatus, bro. I went 30 days, 30 nights. I don't act a fool. I ain't gonna cry. I thought you was going to get right. I got right. I was like damn, left out?

Man. I grabbed my boy from college, grabbed my boy Joe from college. I was like, yo, we finna hit it. So I started in Chicago, had a draft party, I mean had a championship party in Chicago and took off. I just hit all the high cities, bro. I went on tour after the rain, that's why.

And I suppose I met the team, I don't care how crazy it was. So we got, you know, when you win it, you get the invite to the ESPYs. So we supposed to be the champion team to go to the ESPYs, bro, I got alcohol poison. I killed myself. I couldn't even make it to, I'm in LA in the bed, at the ESPYS, couldn't even make it with the guys, man.

I missed the ESPYS that year. What day was that? Was that day 25 or something? About day 20. You did. Because you know the ESPYS is like, in the July end, so I was like, yeah, so I was like, like, day 20.

Oh, boy. No, I'm trying to go 30 days. No, I'm not friend, I'm trying, and day 20. No, I try to go 30 days. No, I'm not friend. I try, I ain't never, I'm one of the college head provo. You couldn't tell me nothing. You remember that song, the champ is here. I used to have a DJ, I'd give him 100. The champ is here.

You remember that? Man, that was my thing right there, man. I had a ball, boy. I never won no championship, the NBA chip. After hearing all those stories, I was there, man. I had a bomb, boy. I never won no championship. The NBA chip? After hearing all those stories, I'm man, I enjoyed myself. I know what everybody else did.

I know what I did. Yeah. Y'all squad had a lot of people who was looking for that first ring too, so that was super dope to see how y'all celebrating that situation, man. Alonzo probably was the happiest I've fought, man. There's a lot of people that don't know,

and I'm surprised nobody ever talk about it. You know, to see him, bro, he was taking like 80 pills a day to make it, you know, because he's getting strong. So to watch him every day, you know what I'm saying, had to take the pills and go through all the treatment he had to do just to play that season. It was special for him.

Like, you know, for all of us to see him actually get one. That's what I really felt it for, like, cause man, a lot of us would have just retired. A lot of people wouldn't have went through that and changed their health and endured their health. In that situation, to play basketball, he was obviously a big part of our team and what we was doing that year.

So to see him go through that and get one for him was special. Oh, that's dope. That is dope. That's fire, man. Yeah, that man used to take them pills like skittles. I's fire, man. Yeah, that man, it meant to be, he used to take them pills like Skilder was like, I'm like, man, he's had to take like 40, 50 pills a day

to keep his numbers. So after the game, we all leaving, he back there with the trainer, with the doctor, making sure his numbers right, so he can leave. Like, you know, that's how the games and stuff like that. So that was special to be a part of that. Yeah, I would've. But I can't even swallow one.

Plus you're the muscle guys with the quits. Oh, I would've quit. I ain't gonna lie, I would've been like, yeah, it's over. I can't even take a part of that. But I can't even swallow one. Plus you know most of the guys would have quit. I would have quit. I ain't gonna lie. I was like, yes I would. I can't even take a tall no. Me chewing 50 pills is crazy. To see him come back man, to see him be a part of that and play the huge part in what he did for us man.

Love the game. Shout out to Zo for sure. That was the one guy that was special to see him enjoy that championship. For sure man. We talk about you and Savonar the game. Who are some of the young players from Audrey or your game or some of the young players

you rock with out right now? Right now in the league, I ain't gonna lie, I love watching, he's not, I mean we don't play the same position but I'm loving watching Anthony Edwards right now. I tune into him every night, every time I get a chance. Obviously, I'm a little biased but I love them boys, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown.

Yes, sir. Watching them, especially over the last couple of years and getting to know them personally, being around the organization. I love what they're doing up there. And then I'm still a Yannis fan, man. I still like Yannis, man. I still like what Yannis is doing in Milwaukee.

People get bored with greatness, kinda. Cause he been doing the same thing for so long. The regular guys, you know what I mean? I still appreciate KD, you know what I mean? What he's doing on a daily basis. Now obviously I know they're not having as much team success, but you know, I'm a little biased to guys that's 6'8 to 6'10 that can shoot it,

put it on the floor. They're kind of my favorite guys. I'm starting to fall in love now with Carl Anthony Towns, man, over the last two years. You know what I mean? The way he's transformed this game now and mixing and matching, you know, with the three and going inside now.

So I'm loving what he's doing over the last couple of years. So I'm, them are the guys I like watching and tuning into is the guys that, you know, that are versatile. And I mean, I think for this game now, I do still believe the point guard position is the guys that, you know, that are versatile. And I mean, I think for this game now, I do still believe the point guard position is the toughest. I think every night you don't get a night off. You think the league is in good hands though, post LeBron and then when they done, hang it up.

Yeah, because I think it's more balanced. I think even if you look at the records now, it's no real, no complete domination. You know what I mean? You ain't got nobody, I know a couple teams got decent records, but you ain't got nobody really dominating the league where you know they're gonna be. It was at one stretch, and you guys knew that.

We knew Golden State and Cleveland was gonna be in the finals. I mean, that stretch we knew. No matter what went on, we knew LeBron was coming out the East, and we knew when nobody beat Golden State. You don't think Boston got a landslide over everybody? I do, but I think they vulnerable. Obviously I am biased. I do believe they got to know.

I like the additions they made. I like they set their first seven, eight guys are really good. I think Jason Tatum has a chip on the show. I think if he can win a chip this year, I think how the thing happened in Olympus, I think will speak volumes. Cause I know he would have to play a big part in them

to actually win it. But it's just, I think it's more balanced. I mean, I think, which is good for the league. I'm not a big fan of the end season tournament. I'm a little old school. I know sometimes people say that, but I like the grind of 82 game season. And I think when you start putting the money emphasis just for the tournament, I think it still devalues it. Because that's what it's really for. Guys are like, okay, well, I didn't get half me. I won the part. I don't think guys are taking it serious,

but I like the 82 game season grind, man. I like the original way. Let's grind for 82. Who can stay healthy? Who can put together their runs? Who can stay focused? I like that. And that's one thing people discount a lot.

It's just like, well, it ain't always the best team to win. It's the team that's most healthy. Well, that's a part of playing the 82 game season is you have to do all these things to win. It's the team that's most healthy. Well, that's a part of playing the 82 game season is you have to do all these things to win. It's not easy to win a championship. Yeah. But then you watch the tournament

and then you see some of the guys that 11th to 15th man get an extra half million, you feel real good. You know what I'm saying? So that's the part that you love about it because those guys, you know, guys making the league minimum and stuff like that. So you feel good for those guys. So it's nice in that sense,

but just as a basketball guy, I still like the 82 game season ground. I do like cutting the preseason down. Those games don't mean anything. Nothing at all. So I don't mind. Because it's different now, bro. I remember we used to go to training camp, bro.

Used to be 22, 23 guys in camp. So you can actually get your guys a day off because they're your main guys. Now guys are coming to training camp with just their roster. So that's why I think it makes it, you know, it's a little different now. They ain't bringing 22, 23 guys to training camp no more. I was gonna ask you, I know you had a quote

and they asked you why you shoot so many threes and you said, cause there's no fours. How do you feel about the league now? Like you see Boston shooting, that's one of the hardest courts I've ever seen. But Boston on average, I'm gonna shoot 48 to 53 is a game. Yeah, I know. I just shot 69.

So how do you feel like being a guy who said it wasn't enough? Actually, I'm hating, bro. And for real? Yeah, because, bro, I took so much punishment. You know, two years back to back, I think I led the league in three point attempts. And that used to kill me.

They killed me. The media would kill me. I think I shot like 600 or something twice. And I would get negative write-ups about it. And now I see it now as such a big part of the game. It's like, the championship team is like their biggest weapon. You know what I'm saying?

So in that sense, you know, you be hating like damn. And then I wonder like, damn, if I could play in this damn era, I probably left 100 million on the table. For sure. You for sure did. You know, I left money on the table if I could play in this era. So I'll be hating in that sense, but I like it.

I mean, it just depends. I think it can get a little carried away. I do hate the fact that nobody's posting up. Like, nobody's posting up. And I do hate that part because we did have some great low post players, guys that can post up. Everybody.

Yeah, you know, you used to have good play guards that can post up. Now nobody wants to post up. Sam Cassell, Mark Jackson. Andre Miller. I do hate that part of it that we don't have no guys. But you paved the way though.

I was a part of it. Yeah, you were a part of it. But I look at, when I see like Carl Anthony Towns, and I see other big guys making threes, and they're a big part of it, I feel good. I be like, yeah. I mean, you just get to see that, cause you see more guys being able to step outside

and make it, I mean, shit, look at Wimby. Wimby crazy. He's seven five. We ain't never seen him. He's made it in the chamber. He's shooting 15 threes. And you see, I mean, obviously we know pop has been sick, but who ever thought we'll see a guy on pop team

shooting 15 threes? Never thought I'd see that. Yeah, straight up. I wanted to ask you too, like who was your favorite teammate, man, your whole career, who was your favorite teammate, man, your whole career, who was that guy to choose? My favorite.

Favorite teammate, man. Yeah, probably Paul. Probably Pete. Yeah, cause we got to spend the most time together. We went through that grind of trying to get the Celtics back to respectability. But I think even more importantly, me and Paul hung out a lot off the court.

And you guys know this, Jeff, you know that. A lot of guys sometimes, we be teammates, but you don't really hang out and kick it. But me and Paul got to really spend a lot of time together. Our families, Paul will obviously come up here and support me in anything I'm doing. I'm gonna support him. And so we built a real special bond.

So that's probably my favorite. That's why a lot of people give me a hard time, even like D-Wade, when they ask me, y'all remember the comparison between him and D-Wade and stuff like that. It's tougher, because I mess with D-Wade, only created a good friend, but then me and Paul, like brothers, you know what I'm saying?

So it makes it hard. So I have just that much respect for him. But just the grind, the grind we went through every day, man, was special, trying to get that story franchised, back to respectability. And it's crazy now, we don't see each other a lot, but when we in Boston together, the pig right back up, you know what I'm saying?

Like clockwork. How did y'all go about like who, like I know you say y'all games never got in the way of each other, but was it like, Mom was shooting like, shit, Paul don't pass that motherfucker, keep shooting at her. Oh yeah, all the time. Yeah. Yeah, like that.

Like I wasn't ever like, I was all like trying to win. Like, and his skillset different than mine. You know what I'm saying? So you got to respect God's skillset. Paul one of those guys, like, you can go for 25 in the quarter. I'm one of the guys that can go for 25 in the quarter. I can score, you know what I mean?

I can have my moments, but that wasn't never my thing. Paul had, he can get to the foul line. No, I was one of those dudes that get 20 texts a year, so refs won't mess with me. You know what I mean? I'm gonna get 20 texts a year, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm- Yeah, pay the fee.

Yeah, so I'm one of those dudes. So Paul, out of respect, he gonna get to the line. So I would go, I would defer to Paul, like bro, you gonna get to the line. You can get two, like, like I respected the fact of that. And I just knew, and I love this competitiveness. That's what we, I think we really hit home at.

Like we both were super competitive. Like, Paul, when they wanted to go at Kobe, from L.O. Anthony, LeBron James, like he loved them matchups. Like that's what he looked forward to. And you look at his numbers against those guys, bro. He got those teams, he got all those numbers. Y'all used to run that play.

I don't know what it was, Kyle or Paul. Yeah, he got all those numbers. Y'all used to run that play, I don't know what it was, Kyle or Polycom? Yeah, he a call running it. Cut off across the middle, right? Yeah, I used to be like, that's a bucket. They gonna get a foul or a bucket every time. I'm either throw it over the top, he gonna tell me, he gonna let me know with his hand. If he tell me he do this, he want it over the top.

If not, if he steal them, throw it in the middle. Yeah, I get three assists a game like that, that's true. They used to run that ice. Boy, with the hand draft, can you expect to play a boy with a sign? I was like's true. They used to throw that ice. Boy, with the head draft, can you expect to play boy with the side of nose, I guarantee you. That's the insight for our needs. Yeah.

I gotta take me with the plays, you know what I mean? I'm gonna get three assists a game off that. Yeah. But now, Paul, man, to me, I mean, I know you're gonna go into Hall of Fame, but he's the most underrated player. So when they had that conversation, I get a little upset about those conversations because he is in that conversation.

You can take your pick on who you like. That's not for me to judge or what you like, but he in that conversation. He may not have the national commercials and the national notoriety sometimes are those guys, but nah, he in that conversation. Most of them are off and without a question. Yeah, you know, it's like Mello.

You know, a lot of times people don't talk about Mello and that, he in that, them guys in that conversation. Them are killers. First ballot of life. Real life killers. Like, put that ball in a hole for real. In different ways, like, so I'm like, so I get upset sometimes because I know nationally

and the media gives the D-Wades and the, you know, the LeBron James and all those guys the recognition. But I think they appreciate that more from their peers, like you and Jeff, people who played against them and they give them their flyers to, you know what I'm saying? Paul Pierce, man, and like the Mellow Lumbos, but I got the utmost respect, and I got to see it day to day.

You got to grab Mellow on the post? Oh yeah, early, I got the early Mello, Denver Mello. I was in Dallas. Oh shit. I got that Dallas Mello four times. That raging bull. I got him four times. Bull in a tiger shop, bruh.

Young Mello, that was wicked. Yeah. I was that. How'd you prepare for that? What was that like, bruh? I mean, I had to play D and Daz. You know what I mean? You played on D and Daz. You played on D and Daz. You know what I mean? They didn't play no D and Daz.

We played no D and Daz. That's a game. Hey, we played zone and Daz. We used to play zone, bro. We had Sean Bradley. You know Sean Bradley, 7'6". Oh, Christmas tree. Yeah, he get in there.

We played 2-3 zone. So I got away with it. 2-3 in the league is crazy. Yeah, I see you playing 2-3, bro. You know, there ain't no way to guard nobody. But now I'm not just talking. Two-three in the league is crazy. Yeah, seems like two-three, bro. You know Dirk One Guard, nobody's here. He's leading to the basket. Damn. For sure, man.

You know that? You know Dirk, I love Dirk. Dirk know that. But Dirk One Guard, them Premier Foul, the small fours, the powerfuls. I wouldn't hit that. You got them, like, man, they ain't never played no deep. They sound like me.

For sure, man. I'll tell you a no D.P. They sound like me. For sure, man. Hey man, I'll tell you a personal quick. I learned how to take a charge. When I went to Miami, I'm like, man, I'm just gonna put my body in front of somebody. You telling me to go out Tim Duncan, KG back to back? Nah, man, you can send me some help. I'm a front though, I learned how to front.

That was my, and I learned how to take a charge. That was the best way to do it. You know you take a charge, they think you playing. Yeah, that's that fact, yeah. That's that, that's that, what we call it, false hustle. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good one.

But you played, man. Jeff, you played with all the killers, boy. God. Oh yeah, I ain't play no defense. I want everybody to highlight Tate. That's a fact, though. What? Hey, chill out.

That nigga watching, like, look at this nigga. Look at Paul Goofy ass. But you was in an era where the point guard might have been the best position in the league, wasn't it? That started a lot of murder. We talked about the other day, every team had almost an all-star point guard. Yeah, I remember that. That was the best position in the league. Yeah, it was tough for you. Yeah, like you got even guys that people wouldn't even think was like, like that, you would be like, shit, you have a nightmare against them.

Like Young Kimba was a nightmare. Or like, I think who was in Utah at the time, Baron Williams was in Utah. He was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He was unbelievable. Portland, you had B Roy sometimes running the point.

And then you still had guys like Andre Miller and all those dudes were still playing point guard too. So yeah, you had it tough. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, I had it tough. I thought I had it tough. You had it tough because I had Ticket, Tim, Tim Duncan, then you might get a Rasheed Wallace.

Nah, that's tough. C Webb. C Webb. Underwriting. I had some battles with C Webb. I got, I called the C. The C Webb I had the best time against was Philly, he wasn't the same in Philly.

He was really picking, popping in Philly. He wasn't really posting up in Philly. But yeah, I don't know, yeah, you had your nights. It was probably about 10 killers at that power forward spot. I'm gonna say about 15 at point guard, 15 to 20. You had to get your sleep. So you play in the area with the best PGs and you definitely had the best air power for it.

Yeah, he definitely think about it when I was thinking about position, but I knew his position, because I always said for a long time that the point guard position was the best position in the NBA. On night out, night out basis, like you got to get your sleep.

Like you got to think about it every night. You got, like you might get a Mike Conley in his prime. You know what I'm saying? You would be like, we gotta play the Grizzly. Like we play Mike. And you about to run. And you about to. And then you might get rondo'd the next day.

And that's the worst. Cause you gotta block him out. Yeah. It's still, I don't know. What would you say the best position is now? I don't know. I'm still probably gonna say PG. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good lead. It's still, I don't know, what would you say the best position is now? I don't know. I'm still probably gonna say PG. PG.

Still gotta be. Still gotta be PG. It's still a lead point guards all along each team. Like you just got, we just talking about who gonna get snubbed from the All-Star game. You still got De'Aaron Fox, might not make the All-Star team this year. Averaged at 27.

It's crazy. Lamello averaging 30. You see, he first in fan mode, he gonna get in the All-Star game. What happens is, with All-Star now, especially, once the starters get selected, they just start going by records. The coaches go by records.

Oh, Twine. We can't do that, Twine. No, I said the coaches go by records. They who pick, they who pick it. That wouldn't be who I pick it. To me, an All-Star is a guy, if you ain't talked about and the scheme ain't to stop you on the board,

you not an all-star. This an NBA nigga right here saying the same thing. I don't care about who wins, tell them why. They coming to see me, I'm Otis. No, you are. Don't give a damn. You are Otis. You are Otis.

You are Otis. I'm David Ruffin. David Ruffin in the Temptations. I can see it in his soul. I love this song. So you want me to ask you a question? What? So y'all and Andy.

Yes, sir. Y'all a point guard. Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah. That's his point guard. Yeah, I just lived there as far. Not this year, unfortunately. Yeah, so that's what I'm talking about.

So what? Not this year. But he still like that though's what I'm talking about. Not this year. But he still like that though. He's a good player. He's a good player. Hell yeah, Tyrus is fire. But he had a lot of, lot happened to him in a year and a half.

He was contract, all-star team, Olympic team. He getting 17 tonight, bro, right now. Told you I'm a basketball, I watch the game. He's 17 tonight now. He ain't, I mean, it's supposed him I'm a basketball, I watch the game. He's 17 and I now. He ain't, you know what I mean? It's supposed to be going here and starting to come back down. Yeah, it's been real slow.

I think he gonna get back to it though. He just hit a little slump. He be killing his last. He hit a slump. He hit a slump. Well he'll be back, but like you said, Easton Point guards you look at, Jalen Brunson killin' his ass.

He gotta leave though, he gotta leave in the end. Hey, we about to wrap this shit up. No we not, no propaganda. We appreciate you much, Juan. Mags deal. Yeah, we get up out here, we start to pace end. Hey, we about to wrap this shit up. No, we're not. No propaganda. We appreciate you, that's why. Next deal. Yeah, we get up out here, we start to pace with, hey, we're not standing in front of this smut

on this podcast. Nah, but we appreciate you pulling up, man. Like we said, long time coming. We appreciate your support. Maybe it was early on, but the support of this podcast has been a lot. Yeah, I like y'all. Different stuff, man.

We need a good podcast out here, man, to talk about the game the right way. And y'all interview real guys. Y'all ain't looking for the story. Y'all looking for the guys that have impacts in the game. So I think that's great. But I ain't against other guys that do do it and chase the numbers,

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