Club Shay Shay - Club 520 - Norris Cole on playing with LeBron & Miami Heat, Ray Allen’s shot in 2013 NBA Finals
Episode Date: September 30, 2024We’re back with Season 2, Episode 106 of Club 520, where Jeff Teague and the guys are joined by Norris Cole where the guys reflect on Cole’s crazy basketball career. Norris and Jeff talk about the...ir matchup in the NCAA tournament where Cleveland State upset Jeff and Wake Forest in the first round of March Madness. Cole reflects on playing on the Miami Heat with LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh where they won two NBA Finals together. #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, man, we back another wonderful episode of club 520 podcast. I'm the host
My name is DJ well special guest in a building
We're gonna introduce my man's last but to my far left my dog bitch should be here not the pearly
So you were nasty cool and national let's get to it, baby another one. Okay, I said out of uniform but it's all good.
It's all good, hey, Norris, you know what I'm saying?
You a Midwest kid but have you ever seen them feets
over there at the Black Forces with the white laces?
I've never seen those before.
I'll get you up here bro, you wear a twin,
I'm gonna get in the way of them shit.
Man, I don't wear them for nights.
We run from guys like that.
I guess like now you know what I'm saying,
you dating, you see a nigga at the gas station,
they over there.
Opposite direction.
He got his own license now to the
Yeah, shoe laces might mean my own license, bro. So shout out to the cavalry
We tried to spread the black force across the world
To my right my dog, I'm not sure you're seeing how you work, man. I'm chilling, bro
I'm cool. I'm glad we got my guy in the building still fuck Cleveland State
For sure listen this wasn't even playing. You know I'm saying you got the Colombians on my boy got the was having his own
Yeah, I already be the gamblers on
It's love bro. Me. He still got me. Oh, man, South Dakota State, 83-69.
Hell yeah, talk that shit.
That's perfect.
When we played them, you remember USA Today that they were ranked.
So we was both ranked, and whoever won that game was going to be number one.
And obviously they won, but that was my first introduction to Greg on the court.
Like, you obviously saw him play on film, but he was like first introduction to Greg on the court like you obviously saw him play on like film but like
He was like a mountain out there on the court. It was no us or no layup rule in effect
Like shoot your floaters. I even shot a floater. He blocked one. So it was like shoot three
Shoot three, you know, Mike gonna control the whole game. Yeah. Was that your first time seeing somebody like that?
Yeah, that was my first time seeing yeah
Yeah, I mean we played against talented dudes,
but like Greg was the dude, you know what I'm saying?
We played against division one dudes all the time.
Greg was a pro though.
And then Mike, we played against scoring point guards
and fast point guards, but Mike had the ultimate balance.
He was super quick, but he was poised.
He knew when to score and when not to score.
That was the first time I seen like a floor general
in high school, because most dudes just scored in high school.
He was a true floor general.
Like Mike wouldn't, he could not score in a game
and still dictate the game.
Like crazy as fuck.
He was 11 in high school.
He was tough, but like 11 assists too though.
But I'm saying though, niggas really like sleep.
And he was ultra athletic.
Yes.
Oh, return.
Left foot dunk, right foot dunk, left hand dunk, right hand dunk.
Probably run a 4-2.
That's genetics.
And it's funny hearing that from both of y'all
because of how y'all play.
Like, both of y'all are fast as shit.
Bro, Mike was different fast.
He probably ran a 4-2.
But like you said, his genetics, though.
His body takes off from the free throw line with two hands.
Like, damn little man.
He used to dunk off vertical.
We used to watch him dunk off vertical.
I was like, dang.
I was like, why you don't ever dunk?
He's like, for what?
I heard you play football too though, bro.
What position you play?
QB.
Okay.
True.
Is that your first love or?
I was naturally better at football,
but all my uncles went to college for football.
Like division one, I had an uncle that went to Nebraska,
played in the big eight.
Yeah.
At the time, played in the Orange Bowl. I had another uncle that played in Eastern Washington.
Another one played at Texas Southern football, Central State.
So football was like in my family.
Like my first cousin, Trent Cole, played for the Philadelphia Eagles for 12 years.
Oh damn, that's what's up.
So football was like, that was in the family.
We all played basketball too, but like football my first love because I was the most skilled
at it.
I played all the sports, but that one came natural.
I didn't have to do too much to know how to play.
That's when you started recruiting you, Heavy?
That's where you... Did your first sculley come from football or who?
Both, but it was low level for basketball.
I only had one division where I offered for basketball.
That was Cleveland State.
Okay.
For football, I would get like Mac schools, Toledo, Miami, Ohio, Boston, but I never really entertained
it because I wanted to play basketball.
I wanted to play basketball.
Yeah, I was going to ask how you got to Cleveland,
but you said that was your offer.
That was the only one.
I was committed to go to WASH.
I was committed to go to NAIA.
WASH, New Jersey, Kenton, Ohio, NAIA Division II,
and then my high school coach couldn't accept it. He was like, no.
He was like, no, you at least you gotta give
a division one a try.
I said, well, I didn't know division was coming
and I'm not paying for school.
Like I ain't have an ego.
I was like, I'm going to school somewhere.
Then Cleveland State, you know,
they came and watched me playing the state championship.
We won the state my senior year.
And then they offered me a scholarship.
And I was like, that's where I'm going.
Then that's far.
That's the tail end of your shit too.
That was all she wrote after that.
That's a lot of motivation for some of these guys who don't got offers right now.
Like, just keep trying.
Don't have no ego.
Go where they want you.
That's the thing with me.
I wasn't going to go look for some D1 that didn't want me.
Was going to ask me to like pay half because I was going to get an academic scholarship
because my grades was nice.
It was like having me pay half to get on the team.
I was like, no. Walsh wanted me.
NAIA, they was laying the red carpet out.
I'm going to be the guy.
So I'm like, cool.
And then Cleveland State came.
They came to my house, sat in my, you know, talked to my dad, my mom, my uncle,
looked them in the face and I was like, oh, they want me.
So that's where I'm going to go.
That's what's up.
Yeah.
Fuck Cleveland State.
I've been waiting to say that shit for about 20 years.
We here now, let's talk about it. 83 to 69.
Damn!
We had a lot of shit going on man.
Sorry, first year at Cleveland State,
you didn't get the keys right away,
did you?
I did not get the keys, man, listen.
Cause we gon' get to that.
I averaged like five points a game,
like maybe nine points a game.
I was back, man, I was the backup.
And so the condition, I had never did conditioning.
Cause at Dumbart, we were so talented.
Like we did conditioning, but like we was gonna win
cause we had the most talent.
I got the Cleveland State individuals and stuff.
You know, you gotta hold your own in college individuals.
So that's the first time I'm like,
oh, I'm not good enough right now.
So my freshman year was all about getting acclimated.
I started lifting weights heavy,
started running, taking wind sprints serious,
getting my like skills.
I never practiced dribbling, bro.
That was the first time I started practicing dribbling
and stuff like that.
And it was like, I went from averaging five points
as a freshman to 13 as a sophomore,
which is when they got, you know. Yeah, that's when it quit which is when they got yeah that's when I click cuz y'all be
shit I remember me I played against Syracuse Florida State yeah I wasn't the
only ones bro no we watched y'all be Syracuse I think y'all other guard came
from Syracuse he came from St. John's St. John's yeah yeah yeah and he uh I
remember watching out he caught a live or something.
But we ain't take y'all serious.
I know.
We was worried.
I was getting ready for the draft almost.
Nah, we had Arizona.
It was going on over.
So we had Arizona.
Did y'all play Arizona?
Yeah.
Yeah, so we was like, all right, we're going to play Arizona.
That's going to be the Scouts.
Jordan Hill.
I was like, yeah, I'm going to go top 10.
Chase Buddinger.
Yeah, I'm going to go top 10.
And then I'm like, after that, we're going to Indianapolis where I'm gonna be at the crib.
I'm gonna really put on a show against Louisville.
So we watched film with y'all, but not really.
Like we watched like 30 minutes and we was like,
they too small.
And then I'll never forget our coach was like,
cause we went to the club the night before.
We knew that.
So we went, we was livin' bro, we was gettin' paid.
We was livin'. Like we was living bro, we was getting paid. We was living, like we was rock stars.
NIL time baby.
So he end up, they end up showing us him,
but they was like, they point guard, the Cedric kid,
he was like, bro, he can play.
We like, yeah.
All right, who's that nigga?
He transfer, I know he can't hook,
you know what I'm saying?
Like, so I'm like, man, I ain't worried about him.
They was like, and they got a football player.
Who are y'all, big man?
He was our real best player, Janathan Bullock.
Yeah, but he played football?
Yeah, he got a, after he finished,
he went to the Jets and got on they practice squad
right away and never played since high school.
Yeah, they was just like, he a football player,
he ain't even a basketball player, I'll never forget that.
And I knew when the game started, he had a a bank three and our coach called a timeout he
said we're gonna fucking lose guys are playing around I'm like man we about to
lose to these sad ass niggas that shit just start getting spooky I'm looking
what the fuck but our our bro we wasn't even allowed to y'all went to South
Beach yeah bro we stayed by the airport and they let us ride down South Beach on the bus then let us get off. That was our tournament experience. Coach was like, nah,
we ain't here just to be here. He said, y'all want to go to South Beach? Bus driver, drive to South
Beach. Don't nobody get off. So we just rolled down, got to look at it and went right back to
our hotel. That was all our tournament experience. Shit, nigga. I was walking on the beach,
went to a club first time I ever seen a club like a club like that.
Niggas buying shots. I didn't even drink at that time, but we was vibing.
We knew it was good.
So I said, Park, nigga, we got in that game.
We start arguing.
I'm like, we just start arguing.
Super athletic though.
Yeah.
We just start arguing.
Our whole team was done.
I just started running to the corner.
Like I'm done.
They was trapping.
Every time I came off the ball screen, two people here,
I'm like, y'all niggas gotta make a shot.
Niggas was bricking, them niggas was celebrating.
Fuck that my bracket, fuck it, I'm going to the league.
Everybody's bracket.
But the thing is, what we played against y'all,
that's how we played against everybody.
We trapped ball screens, really aggressive.
We didn't play super fast, but if it was a miss,
we pushed the pace.
Like Coach was a defensive coach.
Nah, y'all defense was A1.
I had an attitude that game though,
so I ain't even play hard.
My dad was calling me so many times after that game.
I was like, you don't stop calling me, Doug.
He's like, you play like a hoe.
You had eight points.
I don't even know what I had.
I'm already like eight, nine points.
You know what was ironic?
Pat Riley was at that game.
Damn.
And he ended up drafting me.
He was at the game, sitting a few rows away from my parents
and my uncle Noah was like,
you know Pat Riley's at the game?
I was like, nah, I didn't know that, but like, okay, cool.
Two years later, and he talked about it when I got drafted.
He was like, man, I saw you play as a sophomore.
You didn't even know.
Like, we was looking at other people obviously at the time,
but like, that was their time like getting introduced to me.
Damn, it's crazy.
Look at this.
You helped him get drafted, Jame.
It all worked out.
I'm always gonna give him a fuck.
Hey, what's crazy?
Now that's a hell of a story though.
It's really crazy though.
You know, so what's James?
So we know how y'all was walking in the back, how we was warming up.
Y'all was kind of walking through our line.
And Big Janathan was like, if these cats walk through our line one more time, I'm going
to get active.
And I'm like, now looking back, I'm glad he's active.
I was like, because at the time, you know, we winning, he our big dog, he's big dog, like
can't nobody whip him.
So he's like, bro, if they walk through our line one more time, bro, I don't care which
one of them is, I'm about to get active.
And we like, whatever.
And then like now I'm like, oh, I'm so glad that that didn't happen.
Cause you would have been a bowling ball.
One punch after one punch after.
We would have lived for that moment.
I'm like, turn up the volume.
Just got behind him.
You know, you're a homie now, but you got my energy.
So he's so cool, he talk about that.
And I'm like, I never told him that.
I was like, bruh, when y'all was walking through our line,
it was really about to be something. I'm like, you know what
it got so ugly so fast.
Because he know, he's a truth with it though.
You know, because he don't like... That. Man, bro. Cause he know he's the truth with it though. Truth.
You know cause you, but he don't play.
That's right in me.
That was my digga.
Yeah, he know.
I see.
Shout out to JJ bro.
I see who do work.
Is JJ out here?
Yes sir.
Yup, he did come back.
I'll get down for the paces.
And he ain't gonna be no more running into they locker room.
They signed him right after that.
Yeah, fuck that game ball.
Run into the locker room again.
Go get that game ball now.
That's what I'm talking about.
Come on, man.
Yeah, better leave him alone.
I'm keeping it real.
What was your most memorable tournament game?
That one?
That one?
You got off the most on that one?
I mean, I had 17 against Arizona, but we lost.
I only count wins, so.
Oh, OK, OK. For sure, for sure. But what's fucked up is, though, about against Arizona, but we lost. I only count wins. Oh, OK, OK, OK.
For sure, for sure.
But what's fucked up is, though, about that y'all beating us.
I'll never forget.
So Rick Pitino, I had beef with him
because he didn't recruit me.
But he, you know, he wanted to recruit my little brother
and my dad played for him.
So I had beef with him.
So I wanted to play Louisville so bad.
And that day of the game, he said,
I got to watch that 12-5 match matchup Cleveland State and Wake Forest. I got
Cleveland State beating them. I was like, bitch, we gon' beat y'all.
What the fuck this nigga talking about? Like he about to, nigga you a coach for a team that's in
the tournament, you telling niggas who gonna win and shit?
Talk to him. I was like, man, that's why I be so hyped when they lose every time.
He was in the Big East though. Yeah.
Because he watched us play against South He was in the Big East though. Yeah. Because he watched us play against South
Florida's in the Big East.
When we beat Syracuse, they was in the East.
So he had been watching all year.
Yeah, I felt the way though.
And then he was against the mob.
He was in the Big East, coached Waters,
so he used to coach Rutgers.
My coach was from the County of Cleveland State.
He was at Rutgers.
So he came from the Big East.
So he had a relationship with them.
Yeah, and he said that shit.
And that shit happened.
I wasn't mad because I knew I was about to go to NBA But I was sick that like I ain't get to play Louisville. Yeah, that's my biggest thing
Yeah, no cuz they smashed it is on
Like they did on dirty. Yeah, he would have tried to get 50. I would have tried to kill
Edgar me and Edgar Sosa we ironed out our beef. I never had never had a beef with him, but I was gonna get 50 on that one.
That's what I did, I scored.
I wish you would've went to Louisville.
I wish that could've happened.
Hell, I wasn't about to be pressing like that.
You definitely been pressing for that.
I'm glad I went where I went,
because defense was not a priority over there.
So I gotta ask you this first,
who the ones you gotta play first,
Edgar Sosa or Deshaun Jackson?
Deshaun Jackson.
That's shit, that's jokes. That's jokes. That's for the internet. That play first, Edgar Sosa or Deshaun Jackson? Deshaun Jackson. That's shit, that's jokes.
That's jokes.
That's for the internet.
That's jokes, bro.
What he says for content, that's jokes, bro.
Nah, that's jokes.
I ain't worried about it.
That's jokes, bro.
Guard play was tough back then, though.
Nah, at least.
You had to really strap up, like.
Who was Arizona Guard?
They had um.
Nick Wise.
There you go, yeah.
Just get busy. Yeah, I had his number circled too.
I should've circled your shit, Pulse.
Yeah, that was loud.
I said, Pulse.
I believe he is.
Yeah, all right.
They, Kongs.
All right, go.
Put King in front of him.
They be shelling them too.
Yeah, they be shelling them too, I was shitty.
I was a good team though.
Shout out to Harajah League. So, killer at that time. Obviously, time. I was you know saying you hold it down. You talk about the power
Did you play against Justin Sarasota
You didn't okay you might be used to young I
thought you play for
Damn some school in Chicago you want to see or La Loya Loyola. He played for loyal
I know I'm be honest. I didn't know none of the players name in Loya Some school in Chicago. UIC? Or La Loyola? Loyola, he played for Loyola.
I'm be honest, I didn't know none of the players name
in Loyola.
They was in our conference, so we played them.
Yeah, okay, we can move on.
But he was one of, Justin Sirisone was one of them.
I remember his same year, I remember,
cause they beat us, so obviously I just kinda
kept up with shit.
And I remember his same year, nigga,
he was getting 40 and shit, I'm like,
everything got a box?
Oh, this nigga that turnt up. Like, the kid in Play-Gour, he ain't. He was 40, I'm like, yeah, he was getting 40 and shit. I'm like, damn, they got a box? Oh, this nigga that turnt up.
Like, can't play Gordy.
40, I'm like, yeah, he's wild.
You average what, 22 or some shit like that?
How was that?
Six and six.
Bro, my senior year was like magic, I'ma be honest,
cause I was having an out of body experience.
Like, I couldn't even explain what was going on.
You know how coaches say, work hard, work hard,
and eventually it'll pay off?
You can't just be like, when is it going to pay off?
My senior year was just my three years before that paying off.
All the working out three times a day.
I used to kill myself in workouts, but my teammates thought I was weird, like, lightweight, because
I would work out before practice, after practice, and then come back midnight.
I don't even know how I did homework to stay eligible, bro, because I was working out all day long.
Because I went to the Darren Williams camp,
after my junior year, and they say 90% of people
that go to that camp go NBA.
So I said, oh, they think I'm an NBA dude?
I locked in ever since then, like, oh.
That's hard, that's fire.
Yeah, that's what my senior year was just like.
You was going crazy, bro.
And I saw blood, like, I saw blood.
No, you was going crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That nigga going crazy, bro. And I saw blood, like, I saw blood. No, you was going crazy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
That nigga put on the show that year, I was watching.
Cause we thought about, in Atlanta, they had you on a,
I used to just go in the draft room and shit
and look and see, like, see if they was trying
to replace me or not.
I worked out, you're sick, bro.
Hey, I really, you are sick.
I worked out in Atlanta, though, like, for the draft.
That's where I was, like like my boot camp at down there.
I was down there.
Who you working out with?
I was working out with Cedric Tony.
And it was in like a little, remember Sharif Abdul Rahim?
He had a house.
He had a house with a gym.
Yeah, yeah.
That's where I worked out at.
Every day, twice a day I was in there.
And it was like hot in there too, bro.
They saw him brah, bro.
Relax.
They saw him brah. Relax too bro. They sound brown bro relax
They sound brown relax bro. How was your drive process though bro? Like how many teams did you work out for? I did 11 workouts. So I knew my range was like after lottery like 14 to like
early second round. I knew like I was gonna go like,
I knew I wasn't gonna go below Miami.
So I worked out for 11 teams.
My agent wanted me to do like two more.
And I was like, nah, I'm not doing two more.
When I was tired, I was like, after my 11th one,
I was like, I said, if they don't think
I'm good enough by now, I'm just,
cause I was exhausted.
Cause my senior year I was exhausted.
Cause coach warned me, I played every minute
of every practice, every minute of every game.
So I was like wore out and I didn't get the chance to rest.
Like after the season was over, I went to school
for like maybe one more month and I left school early.
Like I talked to the professors.
I was able to take some of my finals early
and then I started getting ready.
So I did 11 workouts and I was done.
Any of them teams ever be like, we're taking you, Norris.
Nah, because I know I wasn't hands on like that.
Because I didn't care.
I'm coming from Cleveland State, so I ain't had no ego.
I was just like, whoever you put in front of me in these
workouts, I'm dog walking on.
That was my rule.
Who'd you kill?
That's the kind of guy I am.
Who'd you kill?
Who you having? Who you have to kill?
I have some, I have some, who I have in my work out.
Just talk about your competitive workouts.
I don't know everybody's name though
cause I'm at Cleveland State, I ain't play at
so I don't really know everybody. You know them now.
You remember the after kill.
It was uh,
I worked out with you a million times.
I worked out against a guard from UCLA
I think his name was Malcolm Lee or something. Oh, all right. I worked out against a guard from UCLA. I think his name Malcolm Lee or something.
Oh, cook Malcolm Lee is in the league for a minute.
Play for the Timberwolves.
I know him.
I worked out with what's the guy from Kansas?
Shelby?
Josh Shelby?
I worked out against him.
Oh, shit.
Shail.
Demetri McKamey from Illinois.
Illinois legend.
That was my guy.
Yeah.
What's the guy from Michigan State that was all American
in Michigan State?
Kailin Lucas. Kailin Lucas.
Kailin Lucas.
Yeah, you cooked them.
Yup.
You had some good ass workouts, didn't you?
Nah, I worked out with a lot of people.
Yeah, some Hoopers.
Couple of my workouts, I was with guys that was like that.
Like I worked out with, what's the, Chandler Parsons?
I worked out at Miami with him.
Yeah, you cooked them.
We was on the same team, I'm being honest.
We played that day, we didn't do one on ones.
We did like three on threes and four on fours.
Okay.
Who was?
I think the Klay Thompson workout was in Charlotte.
Yeah, I ain't gonna say you cooked him.
I'm just gonna keep it.
I wouldn't say I cooked him.
That nigga tall as fuck.
Nah, he was like that.
It was one other cat I can't remember.
It was in OKC. I can't remember who it was,
but I cooked that whole workout. He went to Villanova. What's the dude?
Cory Fisher.
Him.
Yeah.
Cooked. He cooked. Yup. So.
Yeah.
I'm going to be honest though. All my workouts, I cooked just about. I killed my workouts though.
Nah, I can believe it bro.
I killed.
So you was confident.
Because I didn't play in the ACC tournament on TV.
The big East tournament.
You had element surprise.
That's how I knew you cooked
cause to get picked first round like,
yeah you gotta go on a workout to prove something.
Like I think it went crazy.
Especially from Cleveland State.
For sure.
And they obviously know where you go.
You end up in Miami.
Did you know he was going to be a part?
It's crazy.
You know what I'm saying? You talk about every point of your life, senior year to get to college.
You know what I'm saying? D1, you went crazy on the chip.
Then you went crazy in the tournament, went crazy last year.
Now you get to the league
and then you walk into one of the craziest situations in basketball.
I ain't going to lie, I was excited because I always won.
Like my high school, we won.
We won in college in the Horizon League.
So I wanted to go somewhere where we can win. but I also wanted to be a part of the winning.
So when I got drafted there, I'm like, I was happy.
And then like after the first day I was like, all right, I got to get ready because they
don't necessarily need me.
They went to the finals last year without me.
So I'm like, I got to make my imprint so that I can get on the court.
That's the first thing I started thinking about like, okay, I got to get ready because
if I don't do right,
I'll sit the bench the whole year.
And I ain't wanna go to the G league.
You know, I wanted to do what was called the G league back then.
The D league back then.
I was like, I ain't gonna never wanna get regulated.
No offense to cast a dude, but like,
I ain't wanna do that.
I already did my four years of school.
I didn't wanna do no more developing.
I want to develop on the big team.
So first day I was excited.
Next day I was like, all right, it's time to get to work so I can earn their
respect. How was that first practice?
We had to lock out.
Yeah. Oh, shit. You right, bro.
I worked out with Brian a couple of times because he from Ohio.
So I went to the crib. And it's funny, I worked out in some Adidas, bro.
I walked in that man's house in some D-Rose Adidas and he looked at me crazy.
That's how I got my Nike deal.
Okay, that's all right.
It was like-
Charles Lebron?
One of his homies was like,
why you wearing Adidas?
I said, cause they gonna pay me.
They giving me the contract.
He said, but what they paying you?
And I looked at him, he said, no, seriously,
what they paying you?
Whatever they paying you,
a guy's gonna call you tomorrow.
And I'm like, whatever, we finished the workout
and a guy from Nike called me the next day and said,
hey, what do you want for us to switch you over to?
And I told him, I should have upped it up some.
I just sent him the straight contract that Adidas gave me
and I switched to Nike that the next day.
That's a fire ass story.
That's hard.
That is a fire ass story, bro. I know JR was mad when he got that news. Yeah. That's a fire ass story bro. That's hard. That is a fire ass story bro.
I know JR was mad when he got that news.
That's a fire story bro.
That's when I realized Katz got real influence out of you.
The next day, Katz from Nike said,
Hey Norris, yeah, so what's your,
he didn't even say how you doing or nothing.
Yeah, Norris, so what's your contract with the deal?
What do we need to do to sign you over?
Like send us your numbers so we can get that taken care of.
I was like, cool, check your phone. I'm do to sign you over? Like send us your numbers so we can get that taken care of.
I was like, cool, check your phone.
I'm gonna text you my contract, just give me this.
And that's what they did.
But we didn't have practice until December.
Our first game was Christmas.
So we had training camp two weeks in December.
And then we, like, so I didn't get to play summer league.
I didn't get to like have those pre-workouts before.
You know how you work out, come in before practice, the young dudes do before the first. I didn't get to like have those pre-workouts before. You know how you work out, come in before practice,
the young dudes do before the first people.
I didn't get to do none of that.
So it's like my first day of practice
was my first day of like practice.
Okay.
When you cracked the like lineup,
like a good chance of getting the games.
I knew I was going to get in, like,
I knew I was going to get in just cause
how I was doing in practice in pre-season.
And they don't lie to you in Miami.
Like they don't, they don't, they don't like feed you like fools go
You know, I saw a good job. You don't feel it. You're gonna do that. Then you'd be like, I ain't play a minute
I knew I was like preseason games
I was like playing and coach will let me make some mistakes and then in practice
I was holding my own in practice. So I was like, okay, he gonna play me. And then he told me, like, you know, be ready.
So that's all I need to hear.
He don't gotta tell me, you gonna play this many minutes,
cause let me say, I'm just happy to be there.
He just like, stay ready, young fella.
And then soon it was time, that first substitution,
I'm like, oh, he serious.
Cole going against Dallas on TNT,
cause they won the championship, they beat us.
And I was like, you keep me or game?
I was like, all right, let's do it.
Who was that?
Who was that matchup when you first got in?
JJ, JJ, that's why they drafted me though.
Cause the small guards, little fast guards, so it was JJ, Jett had went to the Celtics.
The real Jett.
The real Jett.
I'm the real Jett.
Jason Tarrant.
I'm the real one.
So since we talking about the real Jett Jason Terry. I'm the real J. Yeah, the real one. Hey, since we talking about the real J, hey.
We ain't talking about Nognead either.
No kidding, Spiff.
I know that Jason Terry still hates you
for setting up that lob.
So that wasn't the craziest LeBron play.
We didn't think it was gonna be that crazy.
Cause we had many lobs,
but somehow it's like that lived forever.
What? Bro, that play is crazy. But you're a part of history, bro. Yeah, but somehow it's like that lived forever. What?
Bro, that play is crazy.
You're a part of history.
Yeah, but at the time it happened, we didn't think that.
That nigga got killed on live TV because of you.
You didn't see?
Who?
You didn't see the jet?
It didn't matter.
I knew who was trellin'.
I was like, I can take the layup or I can, the automatic.
He was being a good teammate.
See, that's why you was perfect for Miami, because I would have take the layup or I can, the automatic. He was being a good teammate. See that's why you was perfect for Miami
cause I would have shot the layup.
Yeah.
They would have been like.
Fuck him up.
Throw that up.
Fuck him up.
This nigga was the ultimate teammate.
Facts.
That I can say, bro.
I didn't fight the system at all, man.
Cause at first, when I first got there,
I was shooting a lot.
And you should have.
I was playing like how I did at Cleveland State
and they didn't reel me in real quick.
They let me do it.
Like, it's my first home game.
I had like 20, 14 and a fourth.
I'm reeling in.
So they waited till I had an off game.
And as soon as I had an off game, they reeled it in real quick.
Spoh was like, hey man, that one dribble pull up with 13 on the clock, 14 on the shot clock,
that ain't what we want.
That's Chris Bosh setting that screen, picking up poppin'.
That's Ray Allen standing over there.
You know who Ray Allen is?
I'm like, yeah, that's the all time three point leader.
Yeah, that's D-Way, D-Way LeBron, one of them was in.
It's like, that's D-Way and that's the franchise leader in points over there.
You came off and shot a pull up three while they watching you play.
That ain't how we want to play.
And I was just like, but Coach, I can make it.
He was like, and he looked at me and I said, nevermind.
I said, you right, Spohl, I said, you right.
So early in the clock, I'm coming off,
run into the, throw it, run into the corner.
Cause I wanted to play, cause they'll put you on that bench
and bury you cause it ain't nothing for them to be like,
all right, we going with the big lineup.
Bron at the one, D-Way at the two, Rayon at the three,
Shane Bennett at the four, Chris Bosh at the five.
So if I didn't do right, that's what would have happened.
And I ain't want that to happen.
So I'm like, you know what,
cool, you ain't gotta say nothing else,
I'ma come off, that's why y'all used to know that.
Gaurish used to know I couldn't go back at him.
That's why I didn't disrespect,
remember when I said that about Mario,
it wasn't no disrespect.
It wasn't, we gonna get to that too.
But, Mario, is it?
I was a little different than him though,
cause I was more aggressive than him,
like I was feistier than he was.
I used to really disrespect. I wasn't gonna guard him, Like I was feistier than he was. Yeah. I used to really disrespect him.
I wasn't going to guard him because I mean, he could shoot.
I know Mario.
I know because before like Bron got there,
nigga Mario used to get to it.
Yeah, for sure.
But when Bron got there, it was like different.
And this is how you have to run to the corner, bro.
It ain't no, I'm going to try my getting, bro.
He will make the, he start doing stuff like this.
By the nails.
Next thing you know,
er, er, you gotta go sit down.
You gotta go sit down.
I knew that.
You see, this is why I be saying,
like, I feel like y'all just catch,
and I don't know if you watched Short and I feel like
y'all just catch clips,
cause bro don't mean no malice behind this shit.
It's just how shit be clipped up,
cause he was just saying,
shit, if we in motherfucker Miami, I'm straight.
I can go out, because I know what Mario finna do
the whole game, so I can go out to the court.
He either by the setters screen,
or he going to the court.
Yeah, it wasn't ever like this thing is sad.
He never said he was sad or like.
I know y'all not sad.
I know, because I know when them people sit out,
when Brian D. Wade sit out, they go for 30.
For sure, for sure.
Our second unit was different than our starter unit.
So that starter unit, like you said,
it was real, like let Brian and D-Way do a lot of work.
The second unit, I can handle the ball sometime,
at least to initiate it.
Eventually, I was going to have to get off of it.
At least I could initiate, and we played a little faster.
And y'all moved it, though,
especially when you had D-Way.
Y'all really moved it.
Ron moved it, but he did more like.
Pick and roll.
Yeah, come here.
Yeah, little guy comes up the screen,
get the switch or whatever, but.
Y'all used to feel bad though, sometimes for real.
Cause I knew he could score a little bit,
but like you said,
like talking about two of the best perimeter players
and then CB was one of the top scores.
You got to get on the rock.
It was just a pecking order, bro.
And it's legit.
It ain't foolproof.
It was all three first-battle.
Yeah, the short came off the bench because Ray was coming off the bench.
Come on.
And Rio was actually, he was nice, bro.
It was just like, I know you can't shoot that shot.
You about to go off this pick and roll
I'm going under because you want to shoot it but I know you can't. Yeah and I know you can make it
but you can't shoot it. Because if you make or miss hitting this shot you're gonna come out the
extra shoot. You better make it. No you better make it. Even if you make it you still might come out though.
A no pass with 15 on the shot clock pick and roll three. You should then don't make it.
No, not spoke.
Starting lineup is Brian and D way and CB.
They think they got to run back on.
I knew that because I used to be that with Joe Johnson, Josh Smith,
Al Horford, Marvin Jamal.
If I shoot the ball and I don't make it, you're coming out.
That's why I be wanting him to speak more because niggas don't make it, you're coming out.
That's why I be wanting him to speak more because niggas don't even understand the life
he really had to live.
Before Chalmers had to live that life,
he was already, he walked into the league in that.
I remember watching, yeah, them teams was tough,
them teams was stacked.
And they moved the ball crazy.
That's when I started playing,
but before I got there and we had Woodson, it was ISO.
So like ISO Joe, we had Jamal who,
that's a walking 25.
So God.
Josh need that motherfucker.
Josh needed it, Al Horford wanted it, Marvin wanted it,
then we had other veterans, I was just, man,
I was just happy.
What, we going out tonight?
And what's so crazy is both of y'all background
because y'all were scoring scores.
Yeah.
I heard my respect though like in open runs and in the summertime.
Like playing like in the Pro Wims and stuff. So like when people come to Miami, that's how
like everybody knew like nah, he can hoop he just playing his role.
I never wanted to be known as like ain't nobody in the league watched but you don't never want to be known as one of them dudes
that's like self-check. I'm like ain't no self-check. I'm playing my role. But that's and see this goes to my
But he used to kill though. No, but Norris Kahoop. That's why I think people like I said when people watch our shit
They think we this and know we understand it because yeah, this is my nigga
I know where he at in the second fight
We used to be mad at him for not going to get 30 and Joe Manz probably said damn Norris go kill
Nah for sure.
You know what I mean?
Cause we not realizing the game,
but that's why I was like, shit,
maybe a nigga probably would take 100 million over.
Over the rings.
Easy for me.
It ain't easy.
Norris will trade one of the rings for 100 ilms.
Still get the keys for it.
Cause niggas was mad at me
cause it wasn't no slight to Norris.
I said, but niggas don't talk about Norris enough.
That extreme is extreme, but I take like 40 or 50
with my rings and not 100 with the rings,
then take 100 with no rings though.
That's a tough extreme though, 100 or no,
because 100 is crazy, you know what I mean?
100 is different.
But I take the middle of the pack with the rings.
50 in the ring?
Yeah.
I feel that, I mean, you can still have a same life. It's a lot, yeah. Well, we in the Midwest. That's why we back here in the rings. 50 in the ring. Yeah. I feel that. I mean, you can still have a, you can have a same life.
It's a lot.
Well, we in the Midwest.
That's why we back here in the Midwest.
Our butts stretch farther up here.
Yeah, you can have the same life.
But to be known as a champion, bro, it's like, even if you weren't the best player, like
I was a road player, but I played though.
So any time I go somewhere, it's like I get in rooms that normally I wouldn't, like other
NBA players wouldn't be able to get into just off of GP. Like, oh no, that's Cole.
He played for the championship team.
He good in here.
Like, and I've seen that happen in real life.
I was going to like, to a real like VIP spot
where it was like only 50 people in there.
And I ain't had no invite.
I just happened to know, be driving, seen it.
And I was like, oh, let me,
and they was like, oh, Cole, come on.
And then the boss man was like, oh yeah, nah, champ.
He good.
And I'm like, man, that's what it is?
That's all it was.
And we always talk about relationships
being worth more than money.
So we fuck with that for sure.
We was just, that was the nature of the topic, my nigga.
100 M's or do you want this motherfucker ring?
And we found out that niggas
were selling them motherfucker rings
faster than the chick on Tim's street
selling that motherfucker thing. You hear me? No on 10th street selling that motherfucker thang.
You hear me something?
No, because we ultimately played to take care of your family.
Like we played to take care of your family.
Yes, bro, and that's all we was saying.
It wasn't no hate, like, you know what I mean?
It wasn't no slang.
It came because I said,
Mario give up his ring for 100 million.
Yeah.
You know what, Max Dill.
That's what I said, I said,
you give up his ring for 100 million.
Same.
Max Dill's back then was not like how he are now.
But even back then,
we was talking about right now with the players was getting and we never call niggas.
Say 250.
Oh, I got this thing.
You got up in this chair.
Thank you.
What they are.
I get my ring up for a million.
You still know as a champion.
That's all I was saying.
Exactly.
Like I don't need the actual ring.
But if they say you can't win a ring.
You talking about the actual ring, not the champion.
I take that as not being a champion.
Like would you be a champion for less money
or would you like not want to be a champion?
Like I don't want to be a champion.
I don't give a fuck.
You want to and respect because you still getting to it.
Yeah, I'm still, yeah.
Still winning.
Respect, bro.
And you a killer, but I'm saying you knocked it down 50%.
Niggas, talk about the 100.
What you doing for that 100?
Pause.
That's gross.
Stop.
No, I'm gonna put it.
I said, I'll put it better.
I'll put it better.
Yeah, we didn't do it.
I'll put it better.
We didn't do it.
All right.
That was so appropriate of you saying that.
Would you take 50 million in your rings or James Harden's?
I'm taking 50 in my rings.
Shit. James Harden, what'd you say? Two rings and 50? I'm cool. rings or James Harden's? I'm taking 50 in my rings. Shit.
James Harden, what he said.
Two rings and 50?
I'm cool.
What did James Harden touch?
400?
Nah, he's got to be.
You got to remember, though, for me and what I value,
50 million, I can get anything I want.
You can.
How many mansions can you get?
And you come from humble beginnings, like us.
Yeah.
And you know in the Midwest, a million dollar crib up here in a million
dollar crib in Miami or LA is two different lifestyles. No for sure I'm saying your life
gonna be normal but for me 300 million. What you gonna do? You can't spend it all. I'm just saying my kids kids my mama other kids kids. You probably get that island you own it. Other kids
I'm taking the 50 50 can do cuz I'm still gonna live where we out live at you gonna be you gonna live good, but
400 oh, yeah, you can figure something different out for 100. I'm for sure. I'm gonna live where I live and somewhere else. And somewhere else other than that. What?
That's football Norris still playing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, my fault.
Yeah, Norris still got some shit.
And what's crazy is like,
your first year in the league, you got a ring.
How was that feeling?
Your rookie year, you figured out the NBA lockout year,
crazy shit, and you get a championship.
This gonna sound bad.
I mean, it's humbly as possible,
but I thought that's how it's supposed to be.
That's what I thought how it was supposed to be.
In high school, that's how it was.
We won the state, I went to Cleveland State,
we won two conference championships,
so I'm like, this is what you supposed to do,
you win chips.
I ain't realized until the first year we didn't win it.
I was like, oh, and then the next year,
when I got traded, like my fourth year,
whenever I got traded and played New Orleans,
we lost the first round.
I was like, oh, this NBA life is different.
Then when I didn't make the playoffs,
suicide watch like, like what is going on?
So I thought it was normal, honestly, bro.
I was like, this is what it's supposed to be.
What was it like when you finally, like,
when you got traded?
I was a little, I didn't know how to feel.
I was like a fish out of water.
Cause the team didn't call me and tell me,
I found out on the ticker.
Damn, Walsh Bob.
Then found out on the ticker.
And then my agent, my agent didn't call until
it was official.
Cause when on the ticker, it don't be official.
It just be the paperwork went in,
but you know, behind the scenes.
But once it became final, my agent called me
and I was like,
I'm going to New Orleans.
I'm like, I'm going to Miami to New Orleans.
That's a whole different like-
That's a different vibe.
Way of life.
Yeah, yeah.
And guess who the first game was?
Miami.
Against Miami.
I didn't even move out of my apartment.
I stayed in my apartment, New Orleans flew in.
I met the team at the hotel, went back to my apartment
and then played Miami the next day.
Damn.
And we won too.
But I was salty a little bit though,
cause I thought I was gonna play my whole career.
That's when I learned the business of the NBA.
Cause I thought I was gonna play my whole career in Miami.
You got busy though.
I gotta say, I like going there
cause I was able to show what I could do.
Yeah bro, they let you rock.
They let you rock.
Yeah, New Orleans is a cool city though.
I like New Orleans.
I come from Miami though.
I mean nothing cool come from Miami.
Like if you go from Miami, you go to it.
You had a decent team though.
I'm saying it was nice.
If you go from Miami, you gotta damn near go to New York
to even like experience like.
I mean you can go to like Houston or.
Yeah Atlanta, Houston Atlanta,, but Miami is just like,
when you touch down, I ain't gonna lie,
every time we touch down Miami, I got happy.
Like, oh shit, I'm about to go to prime 112,
we about to play the Heat tomorrow,
the gym gonna be hot, it ain't gonna be cold.
You know, no offense to Philly fans,
but when you go to Philly during the season,
it be freezing when you go to shoot around.
You gotta wear hoodies and all this shit.
I used to hate playing there.
New York, you go, if y'all go practice at the garden,
it's gonna be freezing.
Stink walking through the tunnel.
Come on, it just be wild.
I'm gonna be honest.
You know how people be excited about the play in the garden?
I didn't get that adrenaline rush playing in the garden.
See, I don't think you,
was it remodeled when you first got in the league?
I can't, I don't even know. All right, when you first got in the league? Nah, I can't, I don't even know.
All right, when I first got in the league,
it wasn't remodeled yet.
So we had the old dressing rooms, bro,
and then you had to put all your clothes up
because they like, the roaches and rats
getting your shit, you gotta keep them up high.
I was like, nah, no fucking way.
I was like out lying.
They're motherfuckers out there.
They was like.
I seen the rats though underneath
when we walked through the tunnel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I seen them. They like, bro, keep your clothes clothes up there you can't even like lamb down like damn
I'm not a lot we went to this is crazy and don't put no spot on my name
but to watch it a bad boys reunion tour at the garden
I should have known
This weekend it's Philip Collins fault
because he went for his birthday and he loved it.
He loved it.
He not like that.
But we, I did wait for my nigga birthday party.
It's a good time for something like that.
That's my best friend and I ain't go because I knew.
So them rats in that garden is this real, bro?
It's a real thing.
I feel, you know how people feel about the gardens?
I felt like playing like that in Chicago.
For real?
Because Mike played there. Anytime I play in Chicago, I felt like playing like that in Chicago. For real? Cause Mike played there.
Anytime I played in Chicago, I ball like,
that was like my garden.
Playing there, looking up there, seeing two, three.
They had the hollow, the light, how the light used to hit it.
I used to be like, the goat up there, like,
let's get to it.
That's how I felt every time.
Is that still your goat?
100%.
Damn.
I ain't like playing in Chicago.
What was your favorite place to play?
Utah.
No.
Really?
Yeah, I mean, I'm not even being funny. I had great, I've never not played good in Chicago. What was your favorite place to play? Utah. No. Really? Yeah, I mean, I'm not even being funny.
I had great, I've never not played good in Utah.
The court, you know how the backdrop is so close,
the fans is right there,
it's like shooting a high school gym.
Here in Indiana, like when you shoot in Indiana,
you know the fans is right behind the goal.
I used to play good every time.
You used to be one of my favorites too, playing here.
Yeah.
Only because like I knew the whole,
I used to be deep, 50.
I need 50 tickets this game, because Dayton's like 90 minutes away.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I just talking about the backdrop, I know I was going to have good games like
Philly. Hated playing Philly.
The backdrop was so crazy.
I'm like, I hate playing here.
Damn. Boston.
I had some good games in Boston.
I like the crowd was great in Boston.
So I like playing in Boston.
You remember your best moment in NBA?
From a straight. From a Hoopers perspective?
Selfish, like, where you was getting to.
Yeah, I played in Cleveland.
The weekend I got my jersey retired at Cleveland State.
We played, I was in New Orleans, we played at Cleveland.
Okay.
And, like, my parents and stuff,
Cleveland State, the whole school came to my game.
That afternoon, they had raised my jersey in the Raptors.
I had like 26 and eight on them.
OK, that's all right, bro.
That's a hell of a moment right there.
Yeah, that's far.
That was that was my favorite.
That was probably like my favorite moment. OK.
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Getting your jersey retired in school, that's hard.
Bro, that was the best.
The only thing that was better was going into a hall
of fame at the school.
Damn.
I didn't realize that's different.
Hall of fame is different than just getting
your jersey retired.
Yeah, I wouldn't know. Wake Forest don't fuck with me. Yeah, that's different. Hall of Fame is different than just getting your jersey retired. Yeah, I wouldn't know.
Wake Forest don't fuck with me.
Yeah, that's a fuck.
I think Wake Forest, you gotta have a degree.
Yeah, I think every school's like that, too.
Because I think Steph, they haven't retired,
put him in the Hall of Fame at Davidson yet.
And that's crazy to me.
I'm like, yeah.
No, they gone, but you know they gone.
There should be exceptions.
Some shit should be exceptions.
There should be exceptions, come on, bro.
They ain't fuckin' know.
They ain't, they gone.
I know that's a different game, bro.
They control the same type of way.
I seen people rockin' zero that way for us,
so I just stopped lookin'.
I'll never forget.
They sluttin' their jersey off.
I'll never forget.
The first, I was an All-American by sophomore year,
so they like, you All-American, man,
all you gotta do is graduate,
we gonna retire your jersey.
And he's like, we don't have many All-Americans.
I'm like, damn for real?
That next year, maybe two year, a dude named Cody McIntyre.
Was rocking that motherfucker.
Cody out of business.
No, that nigga was not hooping to that bitch.
I'm like, damn.
He's a real hero.
He got to at least get some buckets.
He actually a good player now though.
I'll see, I'll be watching his games overseas.
He actually be hooping.
It's sad to see Mac, man.
You could have went online and had somebody
I was gonna say
Don't pledge your life. Don't pledge your life.
You could have somebody you know
I actually did see
I'm in the transfer portal
I'm in the transfer portal right now
I'm trying to help you out
I'm trying to go on Phoenix
You got money now so you know you can
I'm trying to go to the University You know you got money now so you know you can put this in. I'm trying to go to the University of Phoenix.
I'm going to transfer.
I ain't going to ICDC.
No rubbler with the ICDC.
Hey, Doris or Ful?
Give me my honorary.
Get you the degree and then make this quick.
Man, I'm going to transfer to IUPUI.
Oh, man.
I wanted to ask you though, hold on,
before we keep going though.
When you won that, come on, that's your give back respect.
Nah, it comes.
When did that first, cause he had,
like we got a pot with this nigga,
he has the worst championship experience ever.
Okay.
Can you just speak for what you can speak on,
like how was that, like that after show?
What you mean, like the after?
Yeah. I heard yours too, that's OD. That's that weed, that after show. What you mean like the after? Yeah.
I heard yours too, that's OD.
That's that age y'all.
Yeah, bro.
Now ours was live.
First of all, we won on the first one on Sunday,
when we all know live on Sunday.
Damn.
And then the next one we won on a Thursday,
which is Story Thursdays.
So it was up, like didn't sleep until the sun was coming up.
I didn't get back home until like 7 a.m.
Like it was up, it was an experience. And we partied for like a after a week. You don't want to party no more
Yeah, we partied for like a week and then we had the parade and then after that we ain't nobody want to party
We wanted to go on vacation. Wait a minute. You had a parade a week after
Yeah, it's a little bit special between because they had that that that parade was the next day wasn't it? No, it was like three days
Oh, yeah, well, you know, no offense,
you know, Milwaukee is different than Miami.
No, 100%.
You know, Pat Riley do things top notch.
Yeah, 100%.
And you know, they call it Heat Nation,
which people don't know Heat Nation is built up
of like little communities like Little Haiti,
Little Havana, Miami Gardens, Liberty City.
So we drove around the whole.
Y'all was in Liberty City? Heat culture. That's crazy. Like we went around the whole. That was in Liberty City?
That's crazy.
Like we went around the whole.
That was UD Stomper Grounds.
So like we started at one place,
we went through every little high allele,
we went through every little hood.
And then we circled all the way back to the steps,
you know, to the thing.
That's hard.
So it was tough.
That was tough.
I gotta ask you this question, obviously,
you was around, you sang near 34th,
how was that feeling when you seen Ray Allen?
You know what I'm saying?
Step back and knock that bitch down.
Oh, you see how hot that nigga was, Joe?
I was about to say hi.
Luis.
On the film.
Play that.
Yeah, that nigga.
That was such a crazy.
That nigga got a bird's ass.
That nigga got a bird's ass.
That nigga's vertical, nigga.
They got 30.
If you ain't supporting me like how I was supporting that,
you can't be on my team.
Oh, God, bro.
He was joking. I said, that nigga you can't be on my team. Oh God, bro. He was jumping.
I said, that nigga is hurt.
Right knock that bitch down.
Hey, if y'all ladies ain't support, hey listen, if y'all teammates, if y'all ain't supporting
y'all teammates and y'all people like that, they not real.
100%.
I was genuinely happy like, yo, cause we know it looked like we was going to lose, but we
never said that.
We never said dang it's over.
We was just like, just taking it one play at a time.
That's all we said.
So when he hit that shot, I was like, oh, we about to win.
That's crazy.
The biggest shot in NBA history up until that point.
I was like, yeah, it is.
He practiced that, though.
He practiced backpedaling and shooting.
And we used to be like, right, like, why?
He's like, oh, just just for balance.
That's all he would say.
Just, you know, just just for balance.
And that's crazy. He didn't take a look. If you watch the film, he didn balance. That's all he would say. Just for balance. That's crazy.
He didn't take a look.
If you watched the film,
he didn't take one look down to the ground.
He backpedaled and caught that mug feet down and.
Damn.
Yo, that LeBron legacy would be damn different.
It'll be totally different.
It'll be different.
Different conversations for sure.
I think so.
Hell yes.
100%.
LeBron's legacy.
I mean, he's still.
Not how great he is,
but into how people compare him,
it wouldn't even be none like.
Okay.
Cause if he lost to the Spurs.
It would have been, it would have been.
Three times in a row would have been crazy.
Cause that would have been the second time he would have lost.
No cause remember he lost in Cleveland.
So if he would have got that then.
Oh sure enough.
Yeah that would have been tough.
And that would have been the second time
he lost to Dallas.
The big three. Cause he lost to Dallas then we won one then we would have lost again. So that would have been the second match with the big three. We lost to Dallas, then we won one, then we would have lost again.
That would have been ugly.
It would have been like damn.
But people be saying that, but like we would have never even been in that point in the game
if it wasn't for Brian.
Hell, we was down and then he took over like, scored all the points up to that point.
And then we saw it happen the next game.
That ain't even wrong.
Except Brian. Y'all know how I feel about Bron.
Bron ruined a lot of my playoff experiences.
But Bron is, he is, it really don't get no better than Bron.
But I'm just saying, you know how people look at it,
like Mike got six, Kobe got five,
and now they would've started doing the reports,
like oh, he lost when he had Dwayne Wade and Chris
but he lost twice.
Now that would have been a big hit.
I don't say Jordan to go just because of the rings.
It ain't just because of that.
What you thinking?
I mean, when I watch basketball, I've never seen nobody better than Michael Jordan from
an impact perspective, from a fundamental, like Jordan was the most fundamentally sound player
and the most athletic.
Like, Brian do stuff that can't nobody practice.
You can practice all day, you can never do what he do.
Just because of like, his field.
You can't jump over a job like this.
His one leg shots and stuff like that,
you can't practice shooting like that.
He's, that's the like the gift that he got.
Like, so he has stuff that you can't even practice doing.
That's why I think he the greatest.
What's the craziest shit you've ever seen Brian do?
Practice, bro.
Stuff he's doing, practice.
Stuff that never made it to the court was over me.
It was one practice, him and D-Way got to going at it.
And it was like, we was like, oh goodness, here they go.
It was just basically them two basically
bike playing one-on-one in practice,
but it was just four other cats out there.
But it was him proving a point that he was different because D Wade is different too.
Like for y'all that don't know, he is, he's an alien too.
But like, D Wade was like, you know, hit a couple and it was starting to be like, Oh, it's about to be one of them practices.
So everybody playing super hard.
And then he started making shots that nobody can make.
Like he started, Greg Oden was in our practice, some of them practices, he started shooting
shots like wrong leg, left hand, hooked layups.
He started doing almost like Michael Jordan layups, not looking.
And then he would run down and look at Pat Ryan like, I know, I know it's different.
I know D.Wade's our boy, but I know it's different.
And he would be doing stuff like that.
And I'm like, that's it. I'm like... That's what we need baby.
Yeah, that's why y'all are fools. Like, he's like, that nigga cold.
I wish that nigga would have said some shit like that while I was in there. I would have
gassed up. Fuck y'all.
Nah, it's true. He said it, he ran out.
I'm like, yeah, champ.
He was like, I know. He's like, I know it's crazy. It's different. He'd come down shooting,
you know, from wherever stuff. He'd come down and do stuff like that and he'd just be like, I know, he's like, I know it's crazy. It's different. He'd come down and shoot, you know, from wherever stuff.
And he'd come down and do stuff like that.
And he'd just be like, all right, bro, let's,
let's move on to practice.
Like this ain't proven, this ain't proven enough.
We get it.
Like he's-
You got to, you got to experience that.
Am I out of pocket for telling that nigga
I'm matching point for point?
You're way out of pocket.
That's real.
I know that people don't understand that he can really,
he's really a scorer.
He let the media take that pass first time.
He let y'all run with it and he ran with it.
But he's led every team he's ever played on in shot attempts except one year.
And he's led the league in like top five in shot attempts every year of his career.
Like he'd be tricking y'all thinking, but that's his name though.
But that's how he played the game though,
just because I think, cause he's so versatile.
Right, super.
And how great of a passer he really is,
it kind of overshadows like.
He's the all time leading scorer.
And niggas don't call him a scorer,
he got the most buckets ever.
But let me tell y'all how crazy it is.
You know it's like, he's the all time leading scorer,
but he's never led the league in assists,
but people say he's the best passer in the game.
You know how crazy that is?
Cause it's his vision, I believe though.
Nah, for sure.
But it's dudes that actually average 10 assists in the league.
You know what I mean?
Like Magic Johnson,
It's how niggas got assists too.
John Stockton and Isaiah Thomas,
them cats went seasons where they averaged
like 12 assists in the game.
And Ron and Neya still say like he's the best passer
they ever seen.
So I'm like bro, he really like.
Cause his eyes bro.
I think so.
He not fooling people cause he can pass.
Man let me tell you something.
That nigga is bucket bro.
He cares about scoring bro.
No I believe it bro.
And he can score, you saying you can out score him
bucket for bucket is?
Nah it's-
That ain't too many caps.
He don't hate the Sean Jackson shit with that.
Oh bro it ain't too many caps.
But I'm talking like.
I know.
They had De La Dove and I was like, I was killing. Jackson shit with that. Oh, bro, it ain't too many. But I'm talking like.
They had De La Dove and I was like, I was killing and he was like,
you better keep that shit going then. And I was like, nigga, it ain't gonna stop. And he was like, well, we'll see if you can outscore me. I was like, yeah. I had 19. What you end up with? 19.
How much you end up with? Like 38.
I've only seen him get outdueled one time.
I was living that nigga life.
Yeah, I only seen Bron get outdueled where like they was going at it and somebody outdueled
him.
I only seen it happen when I was there one time.
And that was when, uh, and he got his get back so it didn't matter.
But like that was when, when we played OKC on Christmas and he went for like 30 something
and KD went for 30 something.
KD might have had one or two points more, but like they was out there dueling to the
point where it was like, okay, whichever one of them is the leading scorer, that's what
whose team was going to win.
And I seen many duels like that because when D-Rose, we played them.
Yes, sir.
The only reason we beat Chicago is because D-Rose had, I think like 34 and Brian had
like 35.
And when we would go out and play Mello,
like it was like whoever.
I was about to say Mello,
those matchups was crazy back then.
And then when we played Indiana,
it would be not so much Bron,
cause Bron was going to do what he would do,
but whoever played better between Paul George
and Dick Granger and D-Wade was going to be who won.
Oh Jesus.
And D-Wade used to get active against him.
Boy, I remember.
He used to, especially the playoff time. I ain't gotta tell me, D-Way.
I saw him get like 40 on like no threes.
He was like 13 for 20, 25, all field goals.
Yes.
I was like, jeez.
It was crazy, even though people, I mean, we lost them,
but there was battles though.
Oh, nah, it was battles.
Nah, Indiana used to make us go through with it.
It was, that was when they changed that verticality rule,
though.
That's what made Roy Hibber the max player.
No Roy Hibber changed the game. I'm still asleep.
We had a young PG too.
I'm still asleep.
We ended up Roy Hibber career.
Brian, Brian Dominick. Yeah, y'all and Steve.
Our bench was better than theirs too. We came off the bench. Our bench game was like, what's the difference? Because if you looked at the starters, like the score, it was about even.
It was about even.
Talk about the Norris.
It's crazy that y'all bench was the bench I had though
with like having Shane Baddie and Ray Allen
come off the bench.
Mike Miller's like, these dudes is nice.
Yeah, like I couldn't believe y'all had some of them
on the minimal.
Like as a playing for the Hawks,
like we would have loved to have Ray Allen for that.
Like you know what I mean?
Like how y'all, you know.
This was a million though.
But you gotta remember,
all of them was like a hundred million dollar dudes though.
Like Mike Miller made crazy bread.
Yeah.
For sure.
For sure.
For sure.
So they weren't money.
You know what I mean.
For sure.
For sure.
So they weren't money.
You know what I mean.
For sure.
For sure.
For sure.
So they weren't money. You know what I mean. For sure. For sure. So they weren't money. You know what I mean. It's like, listen, we would've gave y'all probably five, six minutes just to come to the hockey team.
You would've been a super, like,
you probably wouldn't even been a role player.
You would've probably been a guy.
I always want to ask when I ever out meeting you,
I wonder how like that beef between him and Boston played
out to friend to go to Miami with Ray Allen.
Cause I feel like any contender would've won a Ray Allen
at that time period.
Nah, but Ray was trying to win and we had a need for him.
That's a fact. He could've went anywhere and fit, but we had an actual need
because Mike Miller had that back injury.
And you know, we had James Jones, but James Jones was like a specialist shooter.
You know, shout out to champ. He was a specialist shooter, but
we needed him in that second unit.
And we put the way we play, like moving we played fast from the start. So we would
like get up and down. And so we had a direct need. And so he was like, I come come there.
The beef with Boston was just like salt on the wound. That was just like, because he
would have came anyway, like if he was coming from like Milwaukee or somewhere and he came
to Miami, but that beef he had with them, that was just like,
I felt him though
Cuz it's like they appreciate him the way they
Can't say that bro. I don't know
I'm speaking from a fan. That's no you fuck. All right, I do too But I'm saying you was in the gym with you
But I feel like him leaving them to go to Miami pulling up on y'all from the outside, it looked crazy.
So how my nigga don't feel.
The rivalry is like.
Yeah.
I used to want to be on Boston team so bad, bro.
For real.
Cause I just always felt like
they didn't give a fuck about Miami.
Like everybody else in the league was kind of like,
besides like OKC and the Spurs.
Yeah.
And Dallas. Chicago was scared of you. Chicago too. But everybody else kind of like, all right, weurs. Yeah. And Dallas.
Chicago won security.
Chicago too.
But everybody else kind of like, all right,
we ain't going to beat them.
Like in Atlanta, we wanted to play them,
but I thought we could have beat y'all when we had Joe,
that team, when I wasn't like my second year.
I'm like, we can compete.
Y'all made the All-Star game?
Nah, we couldn't beat them that year.
Hell nah.
But when I had, when it was Joe Joe Jamal, Josh, Al, Marvin,
and I was coming off the bench then, they still had B.
I'm like, we can compete with them now.
We got, we match up.
We can switch one through five.
And you coming off the bench too fast for B.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm like, we can match up with Bronner now.
Kurt Heinrich came, they traded B.
That's when B went there, we got Kurt Heinrich. we can match up with him, we can play him now.
We probably wouldn't have beat y'all, but we can match up. I didn't realize till after I left,
we can match up with any team. It's just a matter of we would just play different. Like
whatever team was going to do something, we would just adjust our personnel. So like,
yeah, when we realized Chris Bosh, because Chris had been working on that three ball for a while
He just never incorporated. Mm-hmm. We remember he hurt himself and came back from injury
That's when we started playing small ball with him at the five
Once we realized we could play like that
We was like however teams want to play the team when it go big we just CB at the floor
Birdman or UD or Joel Anthony and play the five.
Just make it ugly.
Teams want to play pretty and go small ball, CB go to the five, Bron to the four, Shane
Batier guard the four, D-Way, Ray, me or Rio.
And then we had just play it like that.
So we could play any style.
And if you want to play ISO ball, which nobody really wanted to play because D-Way was a
real ISO player. Nobody wanted to play possession ball with us except San Antonio. They was the ultimate possession team everybody else
they knew they had to play a little fast because
All we had to do was throw the ball to D way on the wing
Throw the ball to CB at the you know run that horns action throw the ball. That was a nightmare and a half
Man, and then you you gonna help off somebody and Shane Baty is going to knock it down.
Or Mike Miller, they're going to knock it down.
So I realized when I left, I was like, man, we could have played any style.
People say, how would y'all compete against other championship teams?
I'm like, honestly, we could compete against any team because we could play any style.
It's just a matter of us changing our personnel around.
I like playing against y'all because I used to hedge college.
I used to split them fucking ball screens so easy.
I used to be like, I can't wait to play my empty.
I know I'm, we might not win,
but I'm going to have a good ass game.
I'm going to get something out the crowd.
Stop doing that.
It took us a long time to get out of doing that.
Yeah, I'm going to get something out the crowd.
Damn.
Think about that little nigga out there, it was killing.
Let me get her.
Tony, we couldn't-
Paul Boy. Paul Boy. Get her. Lock'. Let me get her. Tony, you cuddlin' up like a boy.
Paul Boy.
Shit, man.
Get her.
Like this.
Get her.
You used to have some good games against us though.
Yeah, cause I used to hedge ball scrims.
I'm like, they the only.
You stay split in the ball scrims.
I'm like, it's college.
But then, I hated people who set back
cause you had to play in the midi.
Little pocket.
You couldn't shoot threes cause they fight over.
So you had to play in the midi.
But I shot floaters
but they hedged so I'm like, they don't let me get downhill.
I was opposite. I didn't like when teams were hedged because it was hard to make the pass out of the hedges.
I couldn't come off and just score anyway.
So they would be like in the drop or like a semi drop. CB was the best in the pocket pass.
So I used to practice it, learn how to skip it, so it bounce right to his shooting pocket.
And then with Shane Baddie, he gon' pop off with a three.
So the guy guarding you will stay on your hip,
you just stretch, stretch, stretch, and then.
Pass it back, wide open third.
That's crazy.
I used to do that with Al Horford.
Yup.
I gotta ask, man.
We see Pat Baber doing it now, you know what I'm saying?
You had your time in the NBA, you know what I'm saying, you had your time in the NBA,
you know what I'm saying, how was that transition going to playing overseas? Because a lot of people
get a misconception like there's a lot of great Hoovers everywhere in the world, but it's a
totally different game, especially a lot of people seen with the FIBA ball. How was that to go back
to Justin? Like you said, you in the league, you learn your role, so you get to your own company,
now you back to playing basketball a little bit the way you want to. How was that to go back?
Is it a little bit more refreshing that way?
Nah, for real, like people were saying stuff about Pat Bet.
They don't understand.
He's trying to like in his career playing ball
the way he grew up playing ball.
He want to love it and like be himself.
And when you go overseas, that's what they expect.
They expect you to, if you from America,
you American guard and you go overseas,
they expect you to kill.
Listen, when I see you was on the scene
with Indian legend, Deshaun Tom, I said,
oh yeah, it's all about putting buckets up out there.
I know what he on.
That's all it was about, bro.
It's like, the game is different.
So people be saying like, it's harder to play FIBA.
To me, it's not.
It's just a matter of what your skill set is.
Like, if you can play, if you got ones, good ones, and like, you can shoot a little bit,
you can play overseas because you're too fast for some of the guards to play one-on-one
Like nobody one-on-one is gonna stay in front of me
You're just it's slow like getting there difference is when you get to the realm
It ain't Dwight Howard back there blocking it. So you got a chance to actually do layups
Guards are blocking your shot, let alone the centers. So overseas, that's why they don't have no three seconds. They could just camp in the lane. There's
some giants out there, bro. Like seven three-cats, seven four-cats out there. And you learn also how
to like pass on time on target. Cause if you don't pass on time, the whole rhythm of the offense that
you're running out there would be bad. Cause they're not one-on-one players. So they depend on
you passing it to them on time. So I became like real precise, but I was used to it from playing Miami.
So they was like, dang, Norris, you can score, but you can pass better than what we, I'm like,
I just spent seven years passing to like the best players in the world.
And if I threw a bad pass, it was like, come out the game.
That's crazy.
That makes you love basketball again though, because like you love basketball playing your role, but like sometimes you just want to be yourself.
And when I, my five years I played in Europe, I was able to go back to Cleveland State style.
Like coast to coast. No dribble, come down, no pass, pull up.
They start feeling good.
And they fucking with it like, nah do it again next possession.
Nah, for sure, for sure.
That's fire.
Like you said, like the business of basketball
a lot of times gets in the way.
We talk about some people we know,
like we talk about the Mike Beas, the Droid Crowd,
we know, cause score is the best of them,
but the business in basketball can kind of make you,
you know what I'm saying, put yourself in the shell.
But then a lot of people don't come out of that.
So kudos to you, you know what I'm saying,
that you're getting your opportunity back to do
what you do best and still one in the hoop.
Cause a lot of people,
shit you nine, eight, nine, 10 years are doing the same thing.
You like, I ain't even trying to go back to that type shit.
Nah, for sure.
That's why a lot of the guards overseas that are really good,
they don't come back to the league.
Cause they like, bro, I can't go back to sitting on the bench, bro.
No matter how much, even if I'm getting vet minimal,
like guys like Mike James, Shane Larkin.
Most buckets ever over there.
You know what I'm saying?
Them two, Shane Larkin, Mike James out there,
they getting busy out there.
None, Kendrick Nunn, he out there,
he just won the championship, he was MVP.
It's a bunch of guys, Rondé Hollis-Jefferson,
he oversees, one of the coldest international players
in the world, bro, can nobody see Rondé,
but to come back to the NBA and then be relegated,
some dudes ain't willing to do that.
And they pay you like, they pay you nice.
Once you prove, once you go out there and you prove it here,
and they can pay you a livable ways where you like
eating good and always say it's been the same.
No matter where you get it from, it all's been the same.
It's a flow out to the bureau.
It's banked everywhere, huh?
Bruh, and you get to live in places
where people pay the vacation.
Like, I, the Mafia Coast. I'm just the Mafia Coast
I played in the Mafia Coast out in Italy. I played in Tel Aviv. I played in Malaga, South of Spain
I played in like the capital of Montenegro. So like they real vacation spots like damn
I just played in Puerto Rico like so it's like, you know, people be paying big money to go
I'm living out there for the so I'm's what I'm just about to ask you,
the lifestyle adjustment.
The food is so good out there, bro.
I'll be honest with you.
For real?
That's the best part about it.
Damn.
No, cause no preservatives.
That's the first time I heard it.
But the fruit be like real fruit,
the, it ain't all that fake sugar and stuff.
And the food out there is fresh.
It's dope.
The food, it ain't one.
Then the views out there, you know, it's nice views.
Damn, I heard that about, that the food's good.
Bro, I ain't gonna lie.
I got mixed reviews.
When I had a real Italian pasta, bro, spaghetti from Italy,
like an Italian man made it, bro, like the chef,
I was like, and then a real pizza,
not that greasy stuff that we be having, real Italian pizza, I was like, I see why real pizza, not that greasy stuff that we be having real Italian pizza. I was like
I see why guys don't want to come back. I see why guys get married out there and stay out there
Yeah, crazy. You gotta get some of the impossible my boy. Okay, I'm here to kill you. No, he'll you
I know you ain't no ain't no motherfuckin' Italian. This is straight. This is like half of the Galleon, nigga.
The Galleon.
Well, you fuck up this gal fuck with me.
This is the last year.
This is the Galleon.
This is gonna be season to perfection, nigga.
The Tony's gonna be in that motherfucker.
Damn, the Tony's.
For sure.
You could've looked up, you would've liked it though, at least for one year, one or two years.
The only thing you wouldn't like is a long season. I had a chance to go to Barcelona, but I just
damn for real. When I first retired, they wanted me to come out there. I just,
they always try to pluck the freshly retired player. They always try to do that. I was like,
Jacob Poole was out there for a second one in Barcelona. Yeah, I don't know who was out there. I was like, man
Hell no now you you may you get enough damage to where you ain't I should have went there
I've never been a cool experience, but I'm so like a homebody. That's why I live in Indianapolis
I quit going back out there, but it would take a lot from me to go back
Yeah, I'm a home buddy. I quit going back out there, bro.
It would take a lot for me to go back out there.
Yeah.
That's why I find other leagues to play in,
because 10 months is like.
That's crazy.
Oh, damn.
But they be out, some cats be out there.
Training camp starting August, bro.
They want you out there in August sometime.
No way, bro.
No way.
So you're going to throw it to August through May?
Like, how would I be able to podcast?
If your team is good, June.
When I played for Tel Aviv, we won the Israeli championship.
I left at the end of August.
I didn't get home till June 20 something, bruh.
Or June, like the last week of June.
I was like, this is crazy.
Happy you won the championship.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is crazy.
Yeah.
I heard Tel Aviv, nice though.
Right, one of the nicest places in the world,
to be honest with you. It's like Miami like Miami New York and San Francisco all in one damn I'm mad to be out there
They got the beach they got the skyline like New York and they got all the tech like house, you know
shorter vibes
Yes, good time
Yeah, that's a good time. It's the baby.
You gotta give me some real chickens out there
if I'm in the NBA though.
Yeah, I mean, you're gonna get some millions though.
You're gonna get bad trust.
Nah, I'm just saying like,
Hey, yo, Brett.
Yeah, you really a homebody like that?
Like I'm a homebody.
The money has to be into it though.
The money was cool, but my mind wasn't there.
I was like-
You don't care about the money.
If your mind ain't in it, if you can't do the grind or like...
Right.
That's why I stopped going out there as much because it's like,
basketball is basketball, but I'm like, man, 10 months is too long for one.
Two, I want to be at home now.
Like, I done paid my dues.
I'm a veteran now.
Like, I should be able to fly home, sleep in my bed sometimes.
So it was like...
Nah, my mind wasn't ready for nothing like that, bro.
And they talk crazy to like that, bro.
And they talk crazy to you sometimes too.
All right.
I would have left.
No matter who you are, they-
Oh, they on that?
Yes, bro.
I would have left.
Every now and then, like-
You're a foreigner, bro.
That's exactly right.
They at home.
I would have left.
They ain't a foreigner.
They would have been like, this is just crazy.
You can't come to Calvary.
They take you to Calvary two days to get out there.
Oh, yeah, bro.
Calvary?
Yeah, like, go back up Yeah, like these are not pulling up
My niggas ain't got passports
I'd admit a cow to thrash up It's a fish of Greenleaf, that's what it is. Bishop Greenleaf. Well I done got them jumped off the ropes in Calvary.
That's Bishop Greenleaf.
Put the name, put it back in his intro.
Greenleaf is back man.
You Jeff Hardy off the top of the Calvary is crazy.
This is different y'all.
My fondue is in the real Calvary.
Off the top of the Turbine.
I had a flash, man.
That's great.
Hey.
It's a green leaf, man.
The deli boys are full of facts.
It's like that out there, though.
I mean, hey.
Respect.
Hey, man, shout out to everybody overseas getting to it, man.
We appreciate it.
Before we get up out of here at Norris, man,
we appreciate you sliding on us, man.
Tell the people that can find you at Big Dog.
You can find me on Instagram, Norris Cole,
with the blue check mark.
OK. PG30 underscore Cole on the Twitter and tick tock Norris Cole 30 my boy be out here
You catching my gills we're in the toga into it man for so we appreciate you sliding on us man
I've been trying to get over here. No, you know, we love to make it happen. I
Ain't gonna lie. I'm still shitty but
I ain't gonna lie. I'm still shitty bus
What we got here being into the people that can grab some merch at hold on Norris what was that score again
8369 respect state workforce damn shop club 520 He fucking with me. He gonna straight shot that shit up. R-T. He need an op. King Kong.
I got a scene with him.
I got a scene with him.
I got a scene with him.
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