Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Durant's Twitter rants, Suns destroy Mavericks, Giannis gets Doc

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to the Wednesday NBA slate, including Devin Booker and the Phoenix Suns putting the beats on Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks and the Milwaukee Bucks holdin...g off the Cleveland Cavaliers in their first game after firing their head coach. Unc and Gil also talk Kevin Durant's most recent Twitter rantings, Giannis Antetokounmpo forcing out Adrian Griffin and ushering in Doc Rivers, Grant Hill saying Draymond Green's suspension got him left off Team USA, the upcoming NBA All-Star selections, Marcin Gortat dishing about the dirty tricks players get away with, and much more! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:15 Welcome to another edition of Nightcap Basketball Style. I'm your favorite thunk, Shannon Sharp. That is your favorite number zero, agent zero, Wildcat, Arizona Wildcat legend that is, Gilbert Arenas, thank you for joining us. Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Nightcap is now at 904,000 subscribers, and we do have a chance to hit one million before we go live February 8th in Las Vegas.
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Starting point is 00:03:44 Hey, Gil, before we get started, talk about this Suns game and we spin around the NBA, we got to talk about that shootout that you got shot up in. Now, it was a shootout, but you ain't have no gun. It got shot up. Gil, come on. Man, you know how much money I lost betting on you? I must have left the clip in the house on because when I went there, I thought I was loaded up.
Starting point is 00:04:11 I was shooting all blanks, my man. Gil, how you let this do? And I told you, see, that's the one thing that you couldn't do. Remember we had this fight. We asked Nate Robinson. We say, Nate, just don't get knocked out. Nate, you got to do this for the culture. This is for everybody. This is for all the homies. This is for P, just don't get knocked out. Nate, you got to do this for the culture. This is for everybody.
Starting point is 00:04:27 This is for all the homies. This is for Pookie, Ray Ray that locked up. We pulled out a little liquor. I said, Nate, just don't get knocked out. And what happened to Nate? Falled out in the center of the ring. All you had to do, I said, Gil, you came losing the first round and the dude got to be like he had to play overseas,
Starting point is 00:04:43 got like three years in the NBA. You lose to a guy like that. People ain't going to say nothing. Gil people like, Hey man, a dude was in the league. Dude played overseas. Gil.
Starting point is 00:04:56 I lost to everybody. Forget him. I lost to, I was damn near second to last. Gil, I mean, you got to at least make it to the final so we can show the tape. But how you losing the first round and then you not there the rest of the show?
Starting point is 00:05:11 Listen, listen, listen. Do you remember when Ocho had his vision on Ravens? Oh, yeah. His eyes was bigger than... Yeah. How his knees buckled up. That was my knees during that shootout. Why were you so tense?
Starting point is 00:05:33 Why were you so nervous? Because I've been trying to get this thing off the ground for like three years and just to see it there, see the people, see all the players. The kid came out. The kid, I was out there tip drilling. I might be going live. You don't do dollars on me, man.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I would have given you a show. Because I'm looking at it like, I'll say, well, I know Gil. Gil, man, at least made it to the finals. Man, I jumped on my timeline. They like, the finals? And Gil went out the first round. Aging 12, baby. I'm John round. Agent 12, baby.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I'm John Moran out there, baby. Agent 12. I'm out the game. I mean, how you... Gil, you can't tell... Hey, y'all need to see me. Tell everybody to show up. You got something for them.
Starting point is 00:06:20 And you showed up with a water pistol. That cheated up. Listen, I was there at 3 a.m. I even hit the shooting machine so they couldn't use the shooting machine to get enough shots up. Ah, well, you had to left all your shots in the gym. You left all your threes in the gym.
Starting point is 00:06:38 You know how you leave your best stuff on the cutting room floor? You know, you making a move and they say, hey, man, we left our best stuff. You know, you left your best stuff on the showroom floor. I was sweating before the thing started. I was the only one in there sweating.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Because you were the only one that had the pressure. You were the NBA player. No, we had Nick Young. Everybody was there. The excitement, it just got the best of me. I didn't even know that. So where did Nick finish?
Starting point is 00:07:06 A lot better than me. He should have made it to the finals, but they disqualified him, said his foot was on the line for his shots. He went from 18 to 14. He mad at me. No, you should be mad at you.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Damn, to him mad at you, you should be mad at you. Damn, to him mad at you, you should be mad at you. All the sleep that you deprived yourself of, all the honey that didn't get no honey because you wanted to get up a couple extra shots, and you did that for that, Gil? Listen, I got kids,
Starting point is 00:07:40 man. It was like, you didn't come to my game for that. Yes, my kids are like, listen, my kids showed up. As soon as I missed like six, they walked out like, oh, we didn't come to my game for that. Yes, my kids. Listen, my kids showed up. Soon as I missed like six, they walked out. Like, oh, we didn't come here for this. Wow. My kids ain't talked to me since. You missed all our games to get out.
Starting point is 00:07:56 They talk about you. Are you Gil with the Reader, son? Nope. Who that is? You didn't need to train to do that. Oh, man, that pressure got the best. Gil, it happened to the best of us. Gil, it happened to train to do that. Oh, man, that pressure got to bed. Gil, it happened to the best of us. Gil, it happened to the best of us.
Starting point is 00:08:09 All right, let's spin the league. Suns beat the Mavericks 132-109. Book went off 46 points, 17-23 from the floor. KD finished with 12 points on 14 shooting. Gil, I saw them when when Luca made a three. And they went up 16. I come back down. And it's tied, 58-58.
Starting point is 00:08:32 I said, hold on, what happened? I go back upstairs to brush my teeth. And I come back down. And the sun's up. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. So I come downstairs. I'm changing all the TVs because I think something glitched upstairs. I guess they went on the street where they didn't miss but like three or four shots over the course of like 16 minutes.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Yeah, it was called that Devin Booker effect. That Devin Booker got wild. He got loose on them. But that's what can happen when you're dealing with the Suns. Because you remember over the last couple of games, Book had a game where he went for 52. Then KD had a couple of games where he'd go for 40s. And then here comes Book following up with another 46-point performance.
Starting point is 00:09:18 And that's what happens. One of those guys can get hot, and we haven't seen that kind of hot shooting from Bradley Beal. We know he can get hot and light you up. But what we have seen is Book and KD alternating games in which each one of those guys goes off. Yeah, you know, when we're watching this team right now, and we said we haven't, you know, watched Beal go off yet, he's only taken about eight, like tonight he only took eight shots. Five of eight. Still killing. Right?
Starting point is 00:09:45 You know, he hasn't taken his 15, 16 shots. I think he's still trying to get a feel for it. KD didn't play very well today. They only took 10 shots. Right? He had a little double-double. Almost a triple-double. But Booker carried the load for them today.
Starting point is 00:10:00 And that's how good they are. Right? Without Kyrie on that side. It's like they're playing all right you're gonna go 50 today and then you're gonna miss tomorrow and i'm gonna come and get you 50 right we need to see kairi and luca together playing some some some games and see what they really have right now everybody's been you know subbing in basically subbing in for each other right you're looking at the box line. Devin Booker had 46. Grayson Allen had 15. Five of eight, three of five from the three-point line.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Bradley Beal was eight of 15, three of seven. He had 20. As you mentioned, KD played 38 minutes. Didn't have a great shooting night. You know KD had a bad night when he goes four of seven from the free throw line. No, fast. Right. So, you know, all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:10:45 he's struggling with his shot tonight. He's 0-4 from the 3, 4-10 from the floor, so he shot 40% from the field. He shot 0% from the three-point line, and he's, what, 54-7 is, what,
Starting point is 00:11:02 60% from the free throw line? So you know Kevin Durant didn't have it tonight, but Devin Booker did. 17-23, 6-10 from the three-point line, and 6-8 from the free throw line. 46 points plus 33 plus minus. So where do you have the Suns now? After seeing them, they seem to be getting it together.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Where do you think, how high do you think they can go? And how deep do you think they can make a run in the playoffs? It's hard to judge them because we haven't seen all three have a great game to see what their potential is. Right? We know when one has a great game or two has a great game, you know, okay, they're going to win a game. I want to see where their ceiling is when all three are making shots. When all three, you got one at 40, you got another one probably at 40, another one at like 28.
Starting point is 00:11:56 I want to see what the big three look like when they're all playing well to see how untouchable they actually look. Do you think that's realistic? Because what you just mentioned is the three guys having 108 points. I'm thinking all three of these guys together having something around high 70s to 90 points is
Starting point is 00:12:15 a great game. You mentioned 108 for the three. Can they all get enough shots in order to make this happen? Yeah. I mean, it's enough shots it's just making shots. When they're all happen. Yeah. I mean, it's enough shots. It's just making shots. When they're all making shots together. Like if KD would have went eight for ten, four for four from the three,
Starting point is 00:12:33 made all his free throws, looking at 25, 26 points, right? So I just want to see when they're all clicking at the same time, how scary does it look? Because in the playoffs, all you need is three all clicking at the same time how scary does it look because in the playoffs all you need is three of those at the right time some game sevens a game six like you know what i mean like we need to see what happens when it looks all there together and that's what i'm waiting for right now they still look beatable right but when you look at when you look at it are you sure we're going to be able to see that because we got a situation and we see Devin Booker get it going so it's
Starting point is 00:13:09 almost like they give up their game and maybe KD got out of rhythm because he wasn't getting the shots that he would normally take because okay we're gonna feed the hot hand but it's still even even with with Booker Booker only missed six shots right yes right that's what I'm saying if KD's eight for ten and but four for four from the three-point line. If Beal makes two more shots and he's 10 for 15, right? Those are going to happen, right? We just need to see it to see what it looks like when they're both. Like when KD, Curry, and Klay, when they all was hitting.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Right. Oh, Lord Jesus. Yeah. But see, when they was always hitting, that's jesus yeah but see when they was always hitting that's a 30 or 26 and a 22 you you say you want a 40 40 and a 28 and today's game they putting up that many points yeah they putting up that many points where they could do that right yeah i the maverick you're right when you look at the Mavericks no I mean none of the starters were in double figures except Luka Green had eight Lively the second had eight Derrick Jones Jr. had six Grant Williams had eight yeah if you get that kind of reduction out of your starters
Starting point is 00:14:17 you're not gonna you're not gonna win obviously they miss Kyrie Kyrie you know Kyrie's gonna give you somewhere 22 to 28 points. So maybe that would have been enough to kind of offset what they were doing. But, yeah, the Mavericks are so undermanned without Kyrie because basically it's a two-man team. Everybody else tried to get in where they fit in. But this is a two-man team, and one of the men were out. I didn't really expect them. I didn't expect the game to flip like it did,
Starting point is 00:14:43 but I didn't expect the Mavericks to win this game. Yeah yeah yeah but see this is a game where tim hardaway jr right he what is he coming off the bench for they got they got they got a juggernaut team coming in here of scoring we need to put our best scores on the court you're your second best player that's right now playing when you take Kyrie out is is Tim Hardaway Jr. Why is he off the bench still? Like let that shit go. Let that old mentality go where you have a bunch of defensive players that can't
Starting point is 00:15:14 score 6-6-8-8 like what are they on the floor for? You got to match scoring at this point. Do you think a situation that if you take him and you take him off the bench, you're gonna lose so much of your bench scoring? It's the same.
Starting point is 00:15:32 If I can't keep up with the starting five and then I got a sub a man anyway, what's the point? Right, me coming off the bench and I got a guy coming off the bench against their bench players doesn't really do me any good cuz he has to make up this 17 point, this 15 pointpoint loss. It never made sense, right? Let bench players play against bench players because what's happening is you have bench players
Starting point is 00:15:51 trying to guard Booker. Right. Right? And Booker don't have to play no defense. Who he had to guard? Who he had to guard today? Right. Green, Josh Green.
Starting point is 00:16:03 And the thing was, well, if you really look at it it, Gil Hardaway Jr. basically played start a minute. Grant Williams only played 11 minutes. Derrick Jones Jr. only played 24 minutes. So theoretically, even though he's a he's coming off the bench, he's really playing start a minute. Kind of like Lou Will and Trez did when they played with the Clippers that last year. They ended up playing starters minute, even though they were coming off the bench, because more times than not they would end up closing the games.
Starting point is 00:16:29 And so they ended up getting the lion's share of the minutes. But I understand what you're saying is that, look, we need to match their scoring. So if we're down by 20, it doesn't matter what he's going to come in and give us off the bench. We already down too far. Yes. Right. KD is at it again. He's been responding to a responding guys on on twitter he's katie says uh masters like katie does it does it to disturb you
Starting point is 00:16:55 that regardless whatever you do the rest of your career you'll never be beloved by the fans in golden state your golden state move that's um that you were like were like Anakin Skywalker that was supposed to bring balance to the force, then you joined the dark side. Fans by merch, vote me into the All-Star game to support me in real life. But Trey Trey, he got off that tweet. So, look,
Starting point is 00:17:17 Kevin has made it abundantly clear. He's not going to shy away. He's going to speak, be it through his verified account or through his burner account. He's going to respond. What's your take on this, Gil? Human, man. It's human.
Starting point is 00:17:34 I mean, you know, when you're talking about just us, even though we're athletes, right, personalities, we have feelings too. Right. personalities. We have feelings too. You're talking about, you're a Golden State fan, and you're telling me that you would never be loved. Two of your rings came because of me. Shut up. You know what I mean? Two of your rings came because of me.
Starting point is 00:17:58 No matter what you say, Steph Curry has four rings. Two of those rings were because of me. I, single-handedly, with the help Jeff Curry has four rings. Two of those rings were because of me. Right. Right. I, I single handedly with the help of y'all came in here and dominated. Period.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Right. You know, y'all lost the Cleveland and came and got me. Right. And we won two rings off of my help. So to try to disrespect me is, is what would hurt anybody's feelings. Yeah, but he has to understand. People are looking at it. You joined a team that won 73 games.
Starting point is 00:18:33 No team in the 77, 78-year history of the NBA has ever won that many games. And you joined a team that had a unanimous MVP. Since they've been handing out that award, only one man has ever won that award unanimously. That's Steph Curry. You joined that team after having that team down. You had the team down 3-1
Starting point is 00:18:55 that ended up losing the championship after being up 3-1. And you go join them and you're like, bro, it's all good. And people say, well, LeBron did. Cleveland, if I'm not mistaken, Miami won 47 games that year and went out in the first round. So I don't understand why he doesn't understand why people like,
Starting point is 00:19:21 it would be like, who won the championship? It would be like the Nuggets win the championship, and all of a sudden, Joel Embiid or Giannis goes and joins. People are like, well, no, wait a minute, bro. And you win a championship, and then you up there beat your chest up, but, hey, I got two titles. No, no. Listen, listen.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Wait, wait. Hold on. Come on, talk to me. They came and got me. They lost. How can I get you if you don't want to go? No, what I'm saying is they lost 3-1 to LeBron. So that's 79 that day.
Starting point is 00:19:50 That's 73. That record didn't mean shit because they didn't win a title. But you lost 3-1 to that very team. So what does that say about you? You had them down 3-1. Yeah, we had them down 3-1. We lost. We gave it up. They gave it up too and came and got
Starting point is 00:20:05 me because they couldn't get past LeBron. But you could have said no. I could have. That's what you told me. You said Cassius, yes. So you could have said no. Could have said no, but they was bagging up. I need you, baby. Here I come. It's not like
Starting point is 00:20:22 you've been to the champion. He is searching for something just like they are searching for something. Right. When he's a free agent, he has all the scoring titles. He has an MVP. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Without the titles. Without a title.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Just if he ended his career at 28, first ballot Hall of Famer. The only thing he needed as an individual resume was a ring and a finals MVP. Once he won that, he's been floating since. Yes, but here's my thing, Gil. This is me. I believe
Starting point is 00:20:57 you can be great, great without a championship, but in order to be considered the greatest, you have to have those. This is why you have to have, because how do you put a guy with one MVP and say he's in the GOAT?
Starting point is 00:21:15 Because now you're saying, okay, Kareem has six MVPs. Jordan has five. Russell has five. LeBron has four. Wilt has four. That's regular season MVPs. Now, obviously, they didn't start handing out finals MVPs to 1969. So how many would Bill Russell finals MVPs would he have had if he had won 11 championships?
Starting point is 00:21:39 I'm assuming if he wins 11, he's probably, let's just be safe, safe gill and says he wins four let's just say that okay he's gonna win four uh will probably he won two titles he's probably gonna be at least one finals mbp maybe both because he did average like 18 19 rebounds and like 18, 19 points in the finals with the Lakers. So if you, that's why I said, for me, you have to have three regular season MVPs and at least two final MVPs, because now you just going to be bringing guys. Cause every,
Starting point is 00:22:17 so everybody that has one title and one in one regular season MVP can say, well, I'm in the gold debate. And how do we argue that? But you can, because at the end of the day, what is the debate? It's only two people in a sense, right? If we do a vote and we say, all right, let's do a vote, we're gonna put five people out there.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Whoever has the two highest, the other three get the fuck off, right? You're not even part of this debate anymore. We're saying your name for fucks and giggles, right? And that's just the way it is. So the debate is really not a debate. We're just trying to figure out how to keep people's name alive. Right. But the thing is, is that no one has ever mentioned him in the GOAT debate.
Starting point is 00:22:58 He brought that up. Me personally, now maybe you heard it because you're around basketball a lot more than I am. I do cover the game but i've never ever heard since i've been on television the last seven eight years anybody put him in the goat debate no i could be wrong okay so his debate is okay right like when we talk about kevin durant we talk about he is probably the best natural score that ever played. Right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Okay. So when you say natural score, it's just who scores better, him, Kobe, or Jordan? That's the category he's in. That ain't no goal. So you're talking about, okay, so he's in the goal scoring conversation. I take will. I take will. conversation. I'll take will. I'll take will.
Starting point is 00:23:44 But we're talking about not just natural, the ability to just put the ball in the basket, right? Yes. That's what, just like the goat of point guards, the goat of shooting guards, right? The big man. There's these layers of goats
Starting point is 00:24:00 that we have. That ain't what we do, Gil. We don't say, okay, the goat of Africa is this, and the goat of India is this, and the goat of this jungle is that. That ain't what we do. I know, but... Gil, we say goat. When we say goat, we're talking
Starting point is 00:24:16 about everyone. We're talking about a basketball player. A lot of times, we've kind of excluded the big man because we say, well, the big man couldn't do it because we got to get somebody to get them the ball. So we've got it. That's why I kind of Kareem. I mean, Kareem got six MVPs. He got more MVPs than anybody. He got six championships. And he was the all time lead score, the third all time lead rebounder.
Starting point is 00:24:41 And people poop Kareem like he was trash. all-time leading rebounder, and people poopoo Kareem like he was trash. And people don't realize what you see Joel Embiid do. Kareem was doing that in the 70s. But that's what I'm saying. It was the 70s, man. They didn't care about basketball until the black
Starting point is 00:24:57 and the white got together. When this was gumbo, right? When it was a gumbo, when it was a mixing pot of all the talent in the world, 78, 79, that's when the NBA started. That's why Magic Bird was their guys.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Right. The GOAT debate is really, it's not, it's really not a debate, right? You have Michael Jordan who stands in a room by himself, right? The things he did for the game
Starting point is 00:25:24 can never be matched. There's never going to be a 10-time scoring champ. No. So no matter what you say, he's going to hold, that's going to be held on everyone's hand. 10-time scoring champ. Six-time finals MVP. Those are not
Starting point is 00:25:39 going to happen. Not for another 10, 15, 20 years. So he's going to be in a category of his own. Everybody's really just fighting for second. It's fighting for second place. That's all this argument is when you're talking about debate.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Who's going to fight for second place at this point? Okay. But I've really never, look, that like I said obviously when you're a great player obviously you hold yourself in very very high regards and I tell
Starting point is 00:26:12 people this all the time and people used to look at me like I was crazy I say the greater the player the greater the ego it's really simplistic and the guys in my sport that have the biggest ego is a quarterback they just do the best job of hiding it because they've been groomed of saying,
Starting point is 00:26:29 always saying the right thing, but they have the biggest egos. They absolutely do. That's why the coaches have to coach them the delicate, the most delicate, because they are the ones that feelings get hurt the most, the quickest. So a lot of times he might be
Starting point is 00:26:46 saying, he might be coaching the quarterback through one of his other players, yelling at the other player, hey bro, you got to make that catch. When the quarterback threw that shit over his head. No, no, bro, you're talking about make the catch. I'm going to give you a better ball to catch. But I was surprised.
Starting point is 00:27:02 I could see, let's just say for the sake of argument, it's a conversation, it's Kareem and Jordan, and it's Magic, or it's Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is another guy. People make it seem like Tim Duncan didn't play in the NBA. Do people realize how great Tim Duncan was? He had to battle Shaq and Kobe ass.
Starting point is 00:27:21 He couldn't get out of the West unless he went through them. And those were prime Shaq and Kobe ass. He couldn't get out of the West unless he went through them. And those were prime Shaq and Kobe. Not Shaq in Boston. Not Shaq in Cleveland. Shaq at the Lakers, that is absolute apex. And a Kobe that was coming in his own. A 1920, 23-year-old Kobe.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I mean, y'all think so. They like, okay, yeah. A 15-time All-defensive player, a regular season, a multiple-time regular season MVP, a multiple-finals MVP. And people are just like, oh, okay. I'm like, well, damn. You know what it is? When you take all accolades away and you say, all right, if we put the best of the best and we have this tournament of a champion, we all are for ourselves. I don't know if you can get anybody today in today's game to bet against Kevin Durant. You can put Kobe. You can put Kobe, you can put Michael, you can put... I don't
Starting point is 00:28:28 see anybody betting against him. They do that king of the heel, that is probably the most unstoppable sum bitch that's playing. But let me ask you a question. Do we got a guard? Because who is he going to guard now? You got to stop him.
Starting point is 00:28:43 He got to stop somebody too. He. He got to stop somebody, too. He ain't going to make every shot. Every team he's played on. Oh, he is king of the heel. No one's beat him in king of the heel. Steph, Klay, you name every team he's played on, he is dominant. That's why I said you wouldn't get nobody to vote against Kevin Durant. And that's putting that ball in that. Yes. But here's the vote against Kevin Durant. Putting that ball in that desk.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Yes, but here's the thing. The things that get you in the go. So if we took away Jordan's six finals and six MVPs, he ain't the GOAT. He ain't in the discussion. We have to use accolades to ultimately measure how great someone is. But wait,
Starting point is 00:29:21 he didn't have those when they gave him that title, though. But see, that was the thing. that title, though. He was. But see, that was the thing. That's not true. He was not to go in the 80s. Larry and Magic was. And everybody talked about he was in the 80s. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:36 80, 87, 88, 88, 89. It was an article. Greatest players to ever walk this earth. But the thing was an article, greatest players to ever walk this earth. But the thing was, Gil, they were looking at it because they had never seen anybody score and glide and do the things that he was doing. But he wasn't winning. That's why you have to have X. Because had he been winning, well, the 80s would have belonged to him instead of Magic and Larry. But he wasn't winning.
Starting point is 00:30:06 But what I'm saying is even in the 90s, when he started winning his championships, all he was doing is just shutting everybody up that he wasn't the greatest of all time. But nobody waited till he had six to say, OK, now you're the greatest. But Gil, you were the greatest player to ever, ever walk the earth. You do realize like Magic and Bird had Magic was on his last legs. Magic was not the Magic Johnson in the 80s that was winning.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Larry Back had gone out because think about it. What it takes, remember what happened when Clay and KD went to all those finals? That was the Lakers and the Celtics. So the Lakers and the Celtics. So the Lakers and the Celtics was battled out. So they went like 84, 85, skip 86, 87, and they battled out.
Starting point is 00:30:55 One of those teams was in the finals damn near every year from the time Magic got in. Magic went 80. Larry went 81. Magic went 82, 83. Larry went 84. Magic went 82, 83. Larry went 84. They played each other in 85. Bird won 86. Magic went back to the finals in 87, 88.
Starting point is 00:31:14 And again, I'm like, bro. So they're making Magic went to the finals nine of his 12 years in the NBA. Mm-hmm. Nine. But that's what I'm saying. But none of it meant nothing if they gave him the crown, basically crowned him when he won his first
Starting point is 00:31:29 one, because it was what he brought to the game itself. So when we're looking at the finished resume, when we're finishing his resume, yeah, we can say, all right, six rings, six this, but when he got the crown, he didn't have all those accolades.
Starting point is 00:31:45 They just knew he was the best player that ever walked this planet. You don't have... So let me ask you, let's just say for the sake of argument, let's just say for the sake of argument, he does what he does and he doesn't win any titles.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Is he the GOAT? No. No. You can't have that discussion. You cannot have an honest discussion with a man that has, let's just say he wins because he had, he did win one. He won an MVP in the eighties.
Starting point is 00:32:14 So he just gets one MVP in the eighties. And he, let's just say he wins two finals. He's not the goal. And all those scoring titles, all those scoring titles. All those scoring titles. Because hell, if that's the case,
Starting point is 00:32:26 Will is. Will had seven and changed his game. Okay, so in 92-93, in 92-93, how is he the greatest player on Earth with two rings? He already surpassed
Starting point is 00:32:37 Will in all of them. Nobody was talking about Will anymore in 92-93. Well, first, like I said, people didn't, all of a sudden, the GOAT conversation came into effect because now because we're measuring him against larry and magic because
Starting point is 00:32:53 of contemporaries because nope i mean will first of all there was basically just wilton russell they're two entirely different players one wasorer. Other was a great defender. Accomplished. Won a lot of rings. But I mean, one guy averaged 30 and 23 for a career. I mean, the guy never averaged fewer than 18 rebounds in a season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you
Starting point is 00:33:18 average up all the 35 plus. Will got five seasons in which he scored at least 35 points a game. That's crazy. That's crazy. Let that sink in. Five seasons. I mean, he got like 60. Well, he had like, I mean, how many 60-point games does he
Starting point is 00:33:33 have? And so for me, I just think the thing is, the GOAT discussion, I think, I don't think we can honestly have the discussion without titles. And I understand that Kevin says, hey, why y'all not including me?
Starting point is 00:33:51 I just don't think he has enough regular season MVPs. I think the two finals MVPs, you get two championship finals MVPs, but for me, you got to have at least three regular season MVPs to enter that discussion. Because the guys that we would include in that, they have so many. But that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:34:09 If Jordan is the GOAT, and that's who we're going to name as the greatest, right? There's nothing you can do individually that's going to accomplish. The game has changed so much that there's just stats you're just not going to be able to obtain, right? There's a point you're not going to be able to. So his criteria can't be the criteria. So you have to curve it. So that's why I said he can't be a part of this anymore
Starting point is 00:34:31 because he's not in this door. Now, I'm including everything. Huh? Because you put weight on regular season MVPs. You put weight on championship, finals MVPs, scoring titles, all NBA, all NBA defensive teams, all star games, points scored, things like that. Because we have to average. We have to bring all of that to the to the table.
Starting point is 00:34:55 But the problem with that is they don't change that format, too. So the centers back then that that got voted in because it's just them and the rest of the sinners, they get smushed in now with- It's the front court. Yeah, so you took away future sinners from dominating like the rest of them did. So that kind of hurts the development, right? And we can say Curry was the unanimous winner, but you're telling me, then who on God, green green earth voted against Jordan 88 performance? Right, when they brought it against LeBron, remember Camilo got the one vote,
Starting point is 00:35:32 somebody voted against Shaq, remember that Shaq year? Shaq was one vote short. So most of the stuff that we sit here and try to bring in is faulty too. Now we have all-star voting where now those fan votes are not even true anymore. Now you get 50% something else. We get to diet coke this
Starting point is 00:35:57 mother-bugger now too. I think the players get a part of the vote too, right? And the coaches don't just have their own goddamn vote. What you need to be in the vote too, right? And the coaches don't just have their own goddamn vote. What you need to be in this vote too? I don't even know what y'all voting for to be honest. Because usually, Gil,
Starting point is 00:36:14 the fans always voted the starters in the NBA. That was the one thing is that the fans said, you know what? This is who we want. And I think they kind of, it was somebody that, oh, it's almost when they got Zaja Pachulia in. They kind of tweaked it after that. They said, come on now.
Starting point is 00:36:30 See, y'all making a mark. But you remember when the fans voted Magic? Magic wasn't even in the NBA, and they voted to start the All-Star game. He won the MVP in Orlando in 92. But that's what I'm saying. If you have the fans voting, you got Zaja in there, what's the problem? In Orlando in 92. But that's what I'm saying. If you have the fans voting.
Starting point is 00:36:45 You got to let them vote. You got Zaza in there. What's the problem? The fans. Voted him in. The people who are paying the rent. This is who they want. It's his fault that he got a big fan base. That's the point of it.
Starting point is 00:36:58 So you can see who the fans love. They wanted him. Think about Yao. Yao was always going to get voted in. He got the biggest fan base in the world. They had to cut China off so they wouldn't vote Yao for everything.
Starting point is 00:37:13 That's what I'm saying. That was the point of it. Fans voting who they actually like. You know what I mean? You had to be a fan favorite. That is the thing. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast,
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Starting point is 00:40:12 possible listen to spiraled on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts UD made headlines this week made a couple of head downs we'll talk about what Paul Pierce had to say about UD getting headlines this week made a couple of head downs we'll talk about what Paul Pierce had to say about UD getting his jersey retired but Udonis Haslam thinks Duncan Robinson
Starting point is 00:40:30 would beat KD in a shooting contest and everybody he's like do you understand what I'm saying I'm not saying Duncan Robinson is a better player but if the best shooters always won Steph Curry would be 8 for 8 in three point competitions and inferior.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Uh, what was the kid? What was the kid name? He played with LeBron in Cleveland and he's with Brooklyn. Uh, that, that beat Steph. I think if he beat Steph and Clay in the finals,
Starting point is 00:40:58 one year, Kyle, uh, Kyle Corver, not, not Kyle Corver. What's the guy? Uh,
Starting point is 00:41:03 he hurt his ankle. He was just with Brooklyn. The last team he's with was Brooklyn. Who the hell is still in the league? Mm-mm. He gone now. He played with KD, Kyrie, the white guy.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Not Kyle Korver? Nope. Nope. That's good. Joe Harris. Joe Harris. Joe Harris. Remember Joe Harris won the three-point competition against Dan McClain? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:31 I forgot. Why is that so far-fetched? With great shooters on a given day, yes. Yes. Yes. It's not far-fetched to believe that in a shooting contest, Duncan Robinson could beat Kevin Durant. Not that he's a better player.
Starting point is 00:41:46 There are better players. There are players that could have been Michael Jordan in a shooting contest that were inferior players. That could be Kobe in a shooting contest that were inferior players. I don't think people understand that when you say somebody can do something,
Starting point is 00:42:01 that doesn't mean that's just a specific thing. Yeah, I get what he was saying, but that doesn't mean that's just a specific thing. I get what he was saying, but there's a difference between a shooter and a shot maker, right? A shooter can be a shooter, just chuck that shit out. Listen, when I scored 12, I was a shooter. I was a shot maker
Starting point is 00:42:20 that day. Kevin Durant can flat out put that thing in the basket. I don't think UD understands how great Kevin Durant's shooting actually is. If it's just me and you out there,
Starting point is 00:42:36 you don't get any more credit for shot making as opposed to what I do if the ball just goes in the basket. I think that's what UD is saying. If we just had a contest and both guys just got to put the ball in the basket. So I think that's what UD is saying. If we just had a contest and both guys just got to put the ball in the basket, I believe, he's saying, I believe Duncan Robinson can beat Kevin
Starting point is 00:42:51 Durant if they just got to just put the ball in the basket. They took 100 threes, 20, 25 spots, 20 shots. Kevin Durant will blow him the fuck out. You remember he played in Golden State with Clay and Curry. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:43:07 They said those shootouts was nightmares. Just flat out shooting. Well, I saw Steph Curry make 102. So you think Kevin Durant can make 104? He's never done that. He's never done that, right?
Starting point is 00:43:23 But they said Kevin Durant was never in third place. He was never in third place. So he won all of them. No, no, no. They said Kirby was winning, but Kevin Durant didn't get third. He's going to get guaranteed second, basically. They said that when those three were shooting, they used to have shootouts. They'd see who was the best shooter.
Starting point is 00:43:49 They said the only thing that they would beat Kevin Durant on is coming off screens. Coming off screens, but when it just came out to five spots, 20 shots, and they're shooting to 100, Kevin Durant had that thing on a swivel too. It'd be very interesting. When you bet your money, it was like, ah.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Right. Because a lot of times, it's guys that we think, oh, that's the big name. That's the guy. I mean, how many times did Reggie Miller win the three-point competition? How many times did Ray Allen win the three-point competition? So, you know, on a given day?
Starting point is 00:44:26 But the way he was saying it, he was trying to make it seem like he's going to take him just as a shooter, just flat-out shooting. He'll take him every single day. If we take it ten times,
Starting point is 00:44:42 Duncan Robinson's losing nine, guaranteed. Just flat-out shooting. Kevin Durant, that's what he do. We look at his percentage because he got to create and do all this. All right, spot up, you two spot up shoot all day. That's all Kevin Durant does.
Starting point is 00:44:57 So if we say, okay, we're going to treat it like the three-point competition and the all-star game. And we say, what, did they get five balls per spot? Mm-hmm. If we did that 10 times,
Starting point is 00:45:12 how many times do you think Kevin Durant win it? Seven. The only thing that would be with Kevin Durant's problem would be picking it off the rack versus passing it to me. That's why I said,
Starting point is 00:45:22 most of our shooting, we say, all right, everybody get 100 shots. And as I said, if they all got 100 shots, Duncan Robinson's not beating him. He don't even beat Kawhi Leonard. Those guys shoot the ball. Yeah, but it all depends
Starting point is 00:45:36 on what spot they're shooting from. If it's in the mid-range, I'm going to take Kawhi. If we're talking threes, I'm taking Duncan Robinson to be Kawhi. Because that's what Duncan Robinson has to do. Yes. And this is why I would take Duncan Robinson on catch and shoot because he catch and shoots more than Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant creates more of his own shot. Duncan Robinson ain't creating no shot.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Duncan Robinson is coming off a screen, off a pin down, a flare, but KD is going to create a shot. KD's going to dribble. He's going to, you know, he's going to go two dribbles to the left, two dribbles, pull up. That's what he's going to do. That's not Duncan Robinson.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Duncan Robinson ain't dribbling and pulling up on nothing. I can tell you right now, if we did, if we asked Duncan Robinson how many shots you take a day, I guarantee you, Kevin Durant is triple times that.
Starting point is 00:46:25 That's all he does. That's all he do. He watches games, Twitter, shooting. The guys that look like they're not that great, you really have to understand how great a shooter is when he's
Starting point is 00:46:42 moving and dribbling in this. Yes. We're going to do all that now. I'm going to take it in this. Right, yes. Yes, yes. Oh yeah, we're going to do all that now. I'm taking KD. If you're talking about, okay, no. Flat out corner shooting, Duncan Robinson don't have a chance. Yeah, if you're talking about, okay, no.
Starting point is 00:46:58 You got to dribble. You got to create your own shot. Okay, we're going to give you 100 shots. And they're going to be three. They're going to be mid-range. They're going to be free throw line, they're going to be top of the key. I'm taking KD. No, I'm taking Duncan Robinson. No, you're talking about, hold on. No, but you're doing all this on your own.
Starting point is 00:47:14 No, what I'm saying is, Duncan Robinson, he moves to come for his shot, right? Now, he has less energy, right? Kevin Durant spends more energy trying to dribble the ball and get through people. Yes. So if you say, all right, Kevin Durant, you can just sit in the corner and just shoot. That's effortless to him. But Gil, how often does he just practice just sitting in the corner? All day.
Starting point is 00:47:43 That's what I'm saying. That's what you do all day. You have to get the blueprint first. You have to get the foundation of just Pierce shooting in. Right. He will take 500 spot shots first before he starts dribbling. That's what I'm saying. It's not what people think.
Starting point is 00:48:00 The people like him, the people like Kyrie, just the flat out shooting part, the Lucas, the flat out just catching, shoot spot shots. That's instilled in them already, but that's just not their game because they had to do more. So somebody like Duncan Robinson, them,
Starting point is 00:48:18 you don't even put up enough shots to even compete in something like this. It just looks good because you, you take, you, you take few shots, so that means you pick and choose which shots you're going to take. So you look like you're a better shooter. But if we put that value in and say, all right, oh, yeah, he's not the ball,
Starting point is 00:48:36 you're a shooter that came in the ring. No, but I'm saying we're going to take 100 shots from whatever spot you pick. Right. Duncan Robinson wouldn't even be in the top 20. You think he's going to get fatigued? I don't think he'd have enough in his arm
Starting point is 00:48:49 just to do that. I don't give a shit. It's different. Those shooters compete. You have shooters like that, they compete with the stars to see who can shoot the best. Right. You'll be surprised who can just put that ball in the that ball i ain't
Starting point is 00:49:05 surprised because when i go to the game i see the guy that don't even get off the bench and he's effing swishing 10 12 and effing rope so i'm not surprised so if that guy doesn't get off the bench and he's only getting into mop-up duty and he shoot like that i could understand what the guys like a step what a guy's like a cameron and guys that can flat out shoot and score the basketball. I already know what they're doing. Yeah, I had teammates pull that on me, right? Oh, you a volume shooter. You can't shoot.
Starting point is 00:49:34 And they bet $20,000 against him. I said, I'll beat him with one arm. What are you talking about? I'll beat you with one arm. Put the 20 racks up. Beat him with one arm. Yeah. Because this is what I do.
Starting point is 00:49:46 Y'all looking at the stat sheet like this. He takes six shots a game. Oh, yeah. Your percentage is going to be higher. Yes. Your percentage is going to be higher. Don't let this fool you. He don't need to be in the gym long enough to beat me.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Right. It's like a running back that gets five carries a game, and he's averaging six yards, seven yards a carry, versus a guy that's running the ball 20 times a game, and he's averaging six yards, seven yards a carry versus a guy that's running the ball 20 times a game, and he's averaging four, and people all make a scene. Man, look at his yards per carry. He better. Yeah, he's not getting the attempt.
Starting point is 00:50:13 But once he gets to like eight carries or 12 carries, and they done hammered on his ass, now all of a sudden he's going to be averaging three yards a carry and not that six or seven. Yeah, yeah. Udonis Haslam calls, well, not UD, the Miami Heat retired Udonis number 40.
Starting point is 00:50:30 And Paul Pierce kind of took issue to that. What's your take on that, Gil? Hey, man. When you say rivalry is a rivalry, man, them boys, like UD deserved that.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Like, what he's done for Miami and, you know, the culture he's brung, the loyalty he's brung. He belongs in that raffle. Yes. Right? Paul is just petty. Right? That's just petty. Right?
Starting point is 00:51:00 You know, he said he'll whoop them both in the grocery store if he catches them. Yeah. Which is bold because that's 2 verse 1 Well they better not be in Miami Because the whole grocery store Is going to be with UD So it's going to be the whole grocery store Paul Pierce ain't leaving Los Angeles
Starting point is 00:51:17 True But he doesn't deserve that man I agree You can't look at someone because a lot of times you know you just look at like man that's supposed to be reserved for the like the historically great players of an organization
Starting point is 00:51:34 to have your number retired and nobody else be allowed to wear that that's supposed to be reserved for D Wade or LeBron Steph Katie guys of that nature not a guy that probably the last decade played what? Five, six minutes a game.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Yeah. Yes. You know, and, and we can't, you know, we can't see the value. Like the heat saw the value in him.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Yes. Because, you know, we hear what he did, you know, turn it on his money to get, you know, LeBron and. Yeah. Yeah. Like he stayed when he on his money to get LeBron.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Yeah, yeah. He stayed when he could have went to Dallas. You know what I mean? So when they talk about championships, they're looking at him as, you're the reason we won these championships. You might not have the numbers and all that, but you are the glue that glued all this together. That's Mickey's value.
Starting point is 00:52:26 You know what I mean? And sometimes from the outside, we're looking at numbers and they're looking at loyalty. So that's a loyalty move and he deserves that. I agree. I don't have a problem with a team rewarding loyalty. What he brought, the culture,
Starting point is 00:52:42 the effort, what he held everybody accountable, practice, games. So I think it's a job well-deserved. Congrats to the OGUD having his number retired. That's a huge honor. From Miami, hometown team, retired in New Jersey. Kudos to you, bro. Bucks beat the Cavs 126-116, but that's not the story.
Starting point is 00:53:04 The story is Adrian Griffin, 43 games into his rookie season, gets fired. And I read, and everybody from Stephen A., my partner, to you, and everybody that I've heard says nobody is surprised by this move. With the man sleeping with the owner's daughter, with his wife. I mean, how the hell? I mean, you got the second best record in the East, one of the best overall records in the NBA, and they like, hey, bro,
Starting point is 00:53:33 they tap on your shoulder and say, hey, your service is no longer required. You ever heard of consulting? Yes. Do you know what consulting is, right? When you need, when you're asking somebody to give you advice on something, right? Yeah, Bucks, I don't think Adrian's getting it done right now. I think we should replace him.
Starting point is 00:54:01 With who? With who, Doc? Me, I'm the who, Doc? Me. I'm the guy, right? I'm your consultant. I know what knows best. Like me, I want to consult for Club Che Che. Right. I want to consult for
Starting point is 00:54:15 Monday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. I think we need to consult you with a person by the name of Gil Butts, right? Your chat would be like, hell no. Is that what Doc was doing? Hell yeah, that's what
Starting point is 00:54:31 Doc was doing. That dirty, macking-ass man. Come on, Gil. Unc! That man dirty-macked everybody. Everybody. But here's the thing, though.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Gil, and I know you're a great player, but this is not a good look for Giannis. I mean, J.K. had got gone. Boone Holzer got gone. Adrian Gifford got gone. I mean, damn. And it's been reported that he changed plays and refused to sub out. Well, if the thing is, if the players have lost respect for the coach,
Starting point is 00:55:14 we got to go. Whether it's 10 games, 15 games, five games, it doesn't matter. If the players don't have respect for you, you got to go. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. With all due fairness, it was Monday. It was Monday. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Embiid out there, motherfucker, was 70. Right. And at the same time, he got what? His brother probably telling him, Embiid got 55. Adrian telling myself, he like, hell no. Right. This is Monday.
Starting point is 00:55:45 I'm not subbing out on Monday. Nobody's subbing out on Monday. What Embiid was doing over there, I'm not subbing for nobody right now. I'm playing Detroit Pistons. I'm trying to get what Embiid is doing on that ticker. Yeah, Giannis had a monster night tonight. I think he had a 36-point triple-double.
Starting point is 00:56:10 Yeah, he had a triple-double tonight, put up monster numbers. Again, Giannis had 35 on 16 of 24, 18 rebounds, 10 assists, and 35 minutes. And if you notice, Giannis, he I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think he has like seven or eight triple doubles this year. So he's really rounded his game. He's always, he could always score, obviously. He could always rebound. I hope he can rebound.
Starting point is 00:56:40 He's only Brooke Lopez, seven foot tall, and can't rebound. But he's expanded his game as far as facilitating. Now the assist total, now he's more, I mean, higher assist total. He's averaging, what, six a game? And a couple, like I said, a couple, I think seven or eight times he's had triple doubles. But we see that from Joel Embiid. We know Nikola Jokic is one of the premier passing big mans in the history of the game. Not just, actually, he's one of the premier pass big mans in the history of the game. Not just, actually, he's one of the
Starting point is 00:57:06 premier passers in the game, regardless. Small, big, medium, it doesn't matter. He's just that good. But Giannis' game, he's rounded his game, and he's really coming to his own. And it's, I mean, I guess, I mean, I kind of feel bad because the guy gets an opportunity.
Starting point is 00:57:22 The likelihood, what you think the likelihood of Adrian Griffin getting another head job? He's 33 and 13? 30 and 13? Well, somebody thought that wasn't good enough. That someone is winning culture. He was winning culture
Starting point is 00:57:37 of the year. They would have finished. Who was going to win it? Right? He was going to win culture of the year with that record. I mean, for God's sake, the guy who replaced him has the worst percentage of coach of the year. I don't even know how he got coach of the year in 99. He was 41 and 41, which is the worst percentage any coach of the year. You are
Starting point is 00:58:07 50% and you won coach of the year. How is this man getting? Who is this man? Who does he know? Well, I guess it's a son that nobody know about. Who's his daddy? I guess they're saying, well, you went 41 and 41. You should have been
Starting point is 00:58:23 21 and 61. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like the team was 33 and 17 the year before you got there with Chuck Daly. You go 41 and 41. They give you an award? You are the first. Man, listen, listen, listen, listen.
Starting point is 00:58:40 This only makes sense for the Bucs if they never play a game seven in the playoffs. Because right now he's the worst coach in game sevens. Yes. His record is the worst in game sevens. And two of the wins that he has was against an eighth seed. He went to a game seven with an eighth seed the year they won the championship. And then the second round, he went to a game seven.
Starting point is 00:59:12 Those are two of the wins that he gets to add to his resume. Other than that, he's done lost every fucking important game that you can, he's the most, he's the guy you do not want coaching in a game seven. but i'm looking at it and mark jackson mark jackson doc rivers has had three coaching jobs
Starting point is 00:59:32 before mark jackson has even got an interview if i'm not mistaken man his he gotta be the his daddy must be the president. I'm sorry, Glenn, this don't even make sense, man. I'm sorry, his resume and him getting jobs, it doesn't make sense. His name, there's nothing in his resume that says, ooh, we need this coach. So how does he keep getting these coaches jobs? Who is he sleeping with?
Starting point is 01:00:12 Who do you know? Let me know this person. I want a job. Let me get a job. I get fired. This man getting fired and then while he's fired, he's auditioning for another job. Because like I said, I just don't know. It's just hard for me to see that what Mark Jackson did, whatever the case may be, that is so egregious that it disqualifies him from ever getting a job again or from ever even getting an interview.
Starting point is 01:00:44 That's what's the hard part for me. What did he do? Okay. I mean, he's not the only, I'm sure he's not the only coach that loves God, goes to church, has Bible study. I'm sure he's not the only coach in NBA history that was like that. I need somebody to definitively tell me Mark Jackson did, Shannon,
Starting point is 01:01:07 what he did was so egregious, it was so beyond pale that it disqualifies him from ever being a coach in the NBA. I just need somebody to tell me definitively. Listen, when you have power, trust me, you can keep somebody out of the NBA as long.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Listen, when Michael Jordan left the wizards, anybody, you can Google it. When he was trying to get a job for the Milwaukee, I'm in the room when that call happened. He better not ever work in this NBA while I'm still alive. Click.
Starting point is 01:01:54 He didn't get the owner's job until Mr. Poland passed away. until Mr. Poland passed away. Before that, Michael Jordan was exiled from coach for owning anything that had to do with the NBA until Mr. Poland passed. So when you being blackballed, God damn it, it don't matter who you is. Because I seen it with my own eyes. And if you want to Google it, you can Google it. Mr. Poland passed in what, December or November, December. Michael Jordan didn't get offered the job until next, the next year, February. Two, three months later.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Yeah, it's just, like I said, I've had a few conversations with Doc, see him and pass it a couple of times. Seems great to me. Obviously, I had Jack, Mark Jackson, on my podcast. He's great. Love talking to him. For me, like I said, a good dude. We communicate a little bit. But it's just like I said, and I understand, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:58 people like in the chat said, well, you know, he said some comments about the alphabet, you know, the L, B, G, and the T and the Q and the trans and those. That's not that's not that's not a people. People have said things about that, that community before and still got job. Well, they say something about other alphabet, the N, the I, the double, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So now come on now. But let's let's let's keep it a stack here. But it seems to me that you could say some things about some communities and go get a job.
Starting point is 01:03:32 But if you say something about this one, it's a disqualifier. But is it true that the owner is in that is in that alphabets, the owner of Golden State? I don't know who in it. He might be, but he probably in the community that they only have three levels. Yes. He in that group. But I don't think he's, I don't think, like I said,
Starting point is 01:03:56 I don't, like I said, Gil, people in the comment, I'm just commenting what they're saying in the chat. I don't know. I don't know. I don't, like I said, I haven't heard. I don't know. You know, you. Like I said, I haven't heard. I don't know. You hear things about the religion and he was leaving here and coming down here to his church and he was doing all that. I don't know
Starting point is 01:04:11 what's true and what's not. But it's just hard for me to believe unless it's something a Greek, like, because I did, I want to know, so what's the disqualifier from you ever getting a job again? Who knows?
Starting point is 01:04:31 Man, they're just recycling these coaches. When does it... We've seen what he did with a young group. He got them the confidence and we've seen what they did with a young group, right? He got them the confidence and we've seen what they turned into, right? We can say he was the building blocks of Golden State's success.
Starting point is 01:04:51 Mm-hmm. And you keep hiring people who's showing you that they cannot steer the boat. Right. Championships, right? You won a championship in Boston, right? Had all this talent come in and Kevin Garnett and he fueled these guys to win. But that was a veteran
Starting point is 01:05:13 ball club. That was Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and even though Rondo was younger. But like you said, but this is a veteran ball club too. So it might work because you got Lillard and you got Giannis and you got Chris Middleton and you got Lopez and you got Bobby Portis. But you don't have the star power you had on that Boston team and you was barely getting out of the first round. You went, you was eight and six in the first two rounds.
Starting point is 01:05:41 I mean, you lost all road games. You was 0-6 on the road your first two rounds. You means you lost all road games, you was 0 and 6 on the road your first two rounds. You couldn't win a row, you're supposed to be this high powered coach and you got this high power team 66 and 16 and you can't win a role game against the AFC.
Starting point is 01:05:56 Sometimes it says something about you, you are buckling under pressure on your rotations, on your subs, on your subs. Like, you do not, he does not, he does not adjust well. You're three and one. Whatever got you three and one, you hold on to it. Like, you the person that says, have you ever played back a rat?
Starting point is 01:06:22 No, no, I never played back a rat. I know. Okay, shit, you play. You play roulette? Nope. Blackjack and craps. Craps, right? Yes. Yep. It's like somebody, you're getting full, and you're going to stick with full every single time.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Right. Right? That's what he's sticking with the same thing every single time. They've adjusted to what you were doing, now they won. Are you gonna adjust to them? No, we're gonna keep doing it the same way. And you wonder why you keep losing. You are the worst adjust, you're too cool.
Starting point is 01:06:56 You're too cool. You're cool. When you was in the bubble and y'all was up 3-1. Yep, this is true. You're cool. When you was in the bubble and y'all was up 3-1. Yep. This is true. Kawhi Leonard said, man, if you don't win this, you done.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Because he came in talking about his golf score. Wow. This is game seven. You over here talking about how you shot on the golf course? And then already talking to Philly. Hey, yeah, I'm about to get fired.
Starting point is 01:07:29 Y'all looking for a coach? We put a poll up, Gil. Who should the Bucs have hired? 18% said Doc. 82% said Mark Jackson. 82%. listen. 82%. The dude you fired, what I'm saying is the dude you fired
Starting point is 01:07:53 is 30 and 13. I don't give a shit who likes him. He has us 30 and 13. We don't have no problem right now. Right. We don't have no problem right now. Right. We don't have no problem right now. Because what is Doc coming in and doing anyway? What is he going to do?
Starting point is 01:08:13 Let's just be honest. You're coming in in the middle of the season right now. Oh, all right, go coach Bucks. What do you really know about them like that? Right. Nothing. You're just looking at your assistant coach. Who should I sub in?
Starting point is 01:08:25 What's the sub in patterns? Right? You're listening to the assistant coach right now anyway until you fire him and bring in your own staff. Right now, you don't know these players
Starting point is 01:08:32 like that. Right. So you're not really doing nothing anyway. Go out there, roll the ball. Y'all just damn do what y'all do.
Starting point is 01:08:43 I'll figure it out on the fly. It just, it was, roll the ball, Giannis Dame, do what y'all do. I'll figure it out on the fly. It's bad. The resume speaks for itself. If you want to look at the things you want to look at, then that's fine. But the resume says Game 7, you bet your money
Starting point is 01:09:02 against them. True. True. True. Yeah, true. True. So, Jack, Mark, I know you're going to stay prayed up, but keep praying, bro, and hopefully, you know, somebody gives you another opportunity to be a head coach again because I think you're very, very deserving.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Grant Hill says Draymond's suspension was the reason for Team USA omission. Is that fair? Does Draymond deserve to make Team USA? No, hell no. He's not supposed to make USA. No, no, no. No. So in other words, G. Hill said, you know, he got suspended. In other words, so we're going to use the suspension
Starting point is 01:09:45 instead of saying Draymond was not worthy of being on one of the, what is it, 24, 28 players that's eligible for Team USA. They got 41 players. 41 players? Oh, my bad. Damn, my bad. They brought down half the NBA in that, man. I don't know what they're doing over there.
Starting point is 01:10:03 But it's only 12. Yes. But Draymond, listen, Dr. I don't know what they're doing over there. But it's only 12. It's only 12. But Draymond, listen, Draymond ain't going to goddamn Paris because he choked out one of the country Rudy Gobert. Yeah, because they might want to do something bad to him over there.
Starting point is 01:10:17 They're going to pack him out out there, man. You from the French side of Compton, Rudy Gobert's like, yes, come on over here, Draymond. Hey, man, Draymond. Hey, man, Draymond better not walk into Paris. Hey, USA ain't that damn dumb bringing Draymond Green after he done did what he did on national TV.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Yeah, nah, this is, hey, you can do that in America, but you go get your ass whooped over here in Paris, boy. Yeah, it would definitely probably been a distraction with Draymond in Paris, given what he did to Rudy Gobert. All-star starters will be announced Thursday. The Western Conference, I'm going to do the top. I'll do the top five.
Starting point is 01:10:59 We'll do top six. LeBron leaves with almost 4,000 votes. Nikola Jokic is second with 3,500 votes. Kevin Durant is third with about 34,000 votes behind. A little over 33,000 behind Nikola Jokic.
Starting point is 01:11:18 Anthony Davis is in fourth. Kawhi Leonard is in fifth. And Alperine Sungreen is sixth and then that's the front court and then the guards you got Luka, Steph Shea Gilgis, James
Starting point is 01:11:34 Harden, Kyrie and Anthony Edwards so who's your Devin Booker is in ninth place so who's your obviously right now Devin Booker is in ninth place. So who's your start? Obviously right now if it holds true
Starting point is 01:11:50 LeBron, Nikola Jokic, Kevin Durant, those are your starting frontcourt. Luka and Steph Curry would be your starting backcourt. We did it on Wednesday. We don't need Thursday to say this goddamn list.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Okay. And it seems like Anthony, I guess, Anthony Davis, probably Kawhi, would be too reserved for the frontcourt. Now, Shea Gilgis, the thing is, your backcourt. James Harden's in fourth Kyrie's in third Anthony Edwards is having an outstanding season he's in sixth Devin Booker having an outstanding season
Starting point is 01:12:33 he's all the way in ninth see the problem is when you go to the coaching oh yeah that's a puzzle right there because they don't go by that list no more so you want to be a starter because once it gets to the coaches you do not know what the metrics is right so um right you're gonna take anthony we know shay we know shay's gonna be one and we don't know who the other guards gonna be but he's gonna
Starting point is 01:12:59 be the first reserve it's gonna be Shea and Fox. Over Book and Anthony? For coaching, you're averaging damn near 28, 29, 30, and your team is winning. Yeah. The coaches are going to have him in. So they're going to have Fox and him as those two guards. So they'll have Fox and Shea as the two guards.
Starting point is 01:13:19 And then now there's only one more guard because from there you have to have Anthony Davis, Kawhi. Kawhi. Anthony Edwards. So that's it. So you're saying LeBron, Nikola Jokic, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard.
Starting point is 01:13:41 That's five. Luka, Steph, Shea Gilgis, Ant-Man, De'Aaron Fox, that's 10. So we got two more. You did another. Are we taking a big? Are we taking Sungoon, Paul George, Sabonis, Wimbinyama, or Chet? It's hard for one of those rookies to go because that's got to be reserved. That's for Jordan.
Starting point is 01:14:04 That's for Shaq. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those type rookies to go. Because that's got to be reserved. That's for Jordan. That's for Shaq. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those type rookies. LeBron didn't make the all-star game with a rookie. KD didn't make the all-star game with a rookie. So I like to – like when a rookie makes the all-star team, Michael Jordan made the all-star team. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:22 That's got to be special. Yeah, you got to have – You got got to be special. You got to be a monster. You got to be almost I'm 100% Hall of Famer when my career goes up. But it's going to be
Starting point is 01:14:38 interesting. Fox Ant, Kawhi, AD It's 12, right? 12. A.D. What is this? It's 12, right? 12. So it's off the bench.
Starting point is 01:14:54 It's Shea, Fox, Ant-Man, Kawhi, A.D. Book. Because remember we had this conversation? I said, Gil, I think Ant-Man is the next guard off the bitch after Shea because of their record. Yeah, but see, they're going to get booked. Who's in first place? Luka?
Starting point is 01:15:16 No, who's in first place in the West? Right now it's the OKC Thunder by percentage points over Minnesota. So they might put Cat in. Cat ain't even on the list. Cat, not it. I mean, because what
Starting point is 01:15:33 happened is usually the number one team always got about two to three people in it. Right. So because of winning, they're going to have Cat. Okay. Because if you need another big, because you have LeBron, Yoke, KD, AD, Kawhi.
Starting point is 01:15:51 Because let's go to the front court of the East. Giannis is first with over 4.3 million. Joel Embiid, Jason Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Jalen Brown, Christoph Pazingas.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Guards, Tyrese Halliburton is hurt, so he's not going to play. Trey Young, Dame Dollar, Donovan Mitchell, Tyrese Maxey, Jalen Brunson. Okay, Giannis is obviously a starter. Joel is a starter. And Jason Tatum is going to start because they're 2.5 million
Starting point is 01:16:25 over the next guy so those are the three starters okay now Jimmy Butler how many games has Butler played this so the guards is going to be Tyrese and Trey as starters right and because uh if Hallen Burton don't play then he'll be subbed out and they'll probably put Dame. Dame. Okay. Right. So it'll be Trey and Dame if Tyrese doesn't come back. Right.
Starting point is 01:16:55 Right. So now you got Donovan Mitchell, Tyrese Maxey, and Jalen Brunson. Those should be your three reserve guards for sure. Who you got? You got Brunson, Brunson. Yeah. Brunson, Maxie. And who?
Starting point is 01:17:19 Tyrese Maxie. And yeah, so Brunson, Maxie. Who was the other one? Donovan Mitchell. Damn, Donovan don't get no love. Who was the other one? Donovan Mitchell. Damn, Donovan don't get no love. Right now, I'll probably go with... Because he's fourth in the
Starting point is 01:17:31 voting behind Dane. Yeah, but the voting don't count, so I will go with probably Brunson, like my 52, Brunson, and probably Donovan Mitchell. Okay. So those are probably my two guarantees. And then Max would be that swing man as the third.
Starting point is 01:17:51 Okay. So who's going to, after Tatum, you like Jimmy Butler? After Tatum, you might as well just pick anybody, goddammit. For real, though. I mean, truth be told. Because you got Jalen Brown, you got Jalen Brown, Christoph Porzingis, Bam Adebayo, Paulo Banqueiro,
Starting point is 01:18:09 Julius Randle, Mikael Bridges. So what is going to happen is they're going to put Jalen Brown and Porzingis in it. True. Right. They're first. So there'll be it'll be those two in there. Julius Randle,
Starting point is 01:18:31 I mean, he might because he's the big and there's really not... But if you take Giannis and B, Tatum, Butler, Brown, Przingis, that's six. I don't see Butler. I don't really either. He's not playing well.
Starting point is 01:18:51 I mean, he's, I don't, you know. But he hasn't played a bunch. I know. So I don't really see him. But I think you and I are in unison with the guards. Halliburton, Trey Young, Dane, Mitchell, Maxie, Jalen Brunson. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Yeah. Like the only problem, the only thing that's going to hurt one of those other three is if Tyrese plays. If Tyrese plays, then it'd be Tyrese and Trey. And then you have Dane. And it's hard not to put Brunson in there. Yeah, he got to be. I mean, he's gotten his position. He is the all-star.
Starting point is 01:19:34 I'll have him before Randall, but Randall's going to make it because of the frontcourt people. They don't have a strong frontcourt. frontcourt people. Those for the strong frontcourt. I just hope they play better than what they've been playing because that ain't no basketball.
Starting point is 01:19:53 Yeah. They just, I mean, come on. They're getting almost 200 points, Gil. Come on now. Man, to be honest, I was there in real time. I played three of them. The first one I made,
Starting point is 01:20:06 just like that shooting contest, I was Bambi legs. I'm not even going to lie. I didn't even want to be subbed in. I was so happy. Don't sub me in, coach. I might run around and fall and hit my face. I was so giddy out there, man.
Starting point is 01:20:22 Couldn't control my legs. Most of the guys who were there for the first time, they're just so giddy out there, man. Couldn't control my legs. Most of the guys who were there for the first time, they're just so happy to be there. The older guys, you know, it's rest. Most of these guys are just trying to get that extra energy, that rest.
Starting point is 01:20:39 This is the place where you want the accolades, but you don't want the performance. I want the allolades, but you don't want the form. Yes, yes, yes. I want the all-star nod without actually playing in the game because I don't want to get hurt because I want to get ready for the rest of the season. Right. So it's really hard to make the game serious. It's only going to be serious at the end when somebody's trying to win the award or someone's trying to win the game for the bonus.
Starting point is 01:21:06 Yeah, you're right. It's an all-star. I mean, it's fun. This is supposed to be a fun event. That's why I said they need to start adding more. They need to start adding a one-on-one competition. Get rid of that skills crap.
Starting point is 01:21:21 I like skills. You don't like skills? What is it? Dribbling around, throwing it in a hole, you know, throwing some cones. I don't.
Starting point is 01:21:31 What does that mean? Well, you got, well, you got the, well, you know, you have the one, the one female of the city and then you have two other players and then they have the,
Starting point is 01:21:38 you know, the layup and then you have the free throw, the three-point shot, the half court. I like that. Give me one-on-one. Put this like that. Give me one-on-one.
Starting point is 01:21:47 Put this as a one-on-one tournament. Man, ain't nobody going to want to play. You crazy as hell. All the trash they be talking. You put a one-on-one grand prize, 100, 200 grand. And guess what you're going to have? You ain't going to have none of the starters
Starting point is 01:22:01 and you're going to have the same thing you got in the slam dunk competition. You're going to be getting somebody out of the G League playing one-on-one. You're going to have. You ain't going to have none of the starters and you're going to have the same thing you got in the slam dunk competition. You're going to be getting somebody out of the G League playing one-on-one. You're going to have Kevin Durant. I bet you Kevin Durant ain't going to play no one-on-one. You're going to have Tatum. You're going to have all...
Starting point is 01:22:15 One-on-one is pride. One-on-one. One-on-one for scores is like a damn near MVP. That's bragging rights. Bragging rights, that's like, not even, I don't even know what it is in football, but this has no team involved.
Starting point is 01:22:38 This is I'm fighting for my name on my back. This is one on one mano a mano. I can win this award every year. I'm fighting for my name on my back. This is one-on-one, mano y mano. I can win this award every year. Like Jordan got six dunk champs. I got six one-on-one champs. Nah, they need to do it like they had in the bubble.
Starting point is 01:22:56 Have a horse or a pig competition. Nah, man. Nah, one-on-one. Check up. Check up. Ain't nobody checking that. Hey, the starters ain't gonna do that you're crazy the one on one players the Jama Rans
Starting point is 01:23:09 man they don't play one on one but here's the thing it usually for the most part all the competition guys were involved in the three was like you had to be in the all star game with the exception because most of the time a lot of the guys were in like the dunk contest competition guys they to be in the all-star game. With the exception, because most of the time, a lot of the guys were in,
Starting point is 01:23:25 like the dunk contest competition guys, they were actually in the game. But yeah, there ain't nobody in the game. But see, the dunk contest, see the dunk contest, there's guys that belong in a dunk contest that probably don't even get to play and stuff, right? Yes.
Starting point is 01:23:41 They pick who they want in the dunk contest versus just picking the best dunk contest guy. So there's guys that's on benches that got the 48, that got those type of dunks. That's who they need to get. In the NBA, same thing with the three-point contest, right? This is not about percentage.
Starting point is 01:23:58 Just go get the best three-point shooters. But here's the thing. Because remember with the dunk contest, you had the Dr. J's. You had the Michaels. You had the Dominiques. You had the Clyde Drexler. You had the guys.
Starting point is 01:24:14 You had the names. Now, man, you don't know these guys, Gil. Let's go. If you want to rewatch those names, those dunks. They were names, but Dominique did
Starting point is 01:24:29 how many dunk contests? Three? No, he did more than that. He did like four or five. So that means he had about 20 dunks? 16 was windmills. 16 was windmills. When. 16 was windmills. When we went up there, we go, oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:24:47 He going windmill. Okay, one-hand windmill. Okay, from the middle. All right, he going to go to the side. Oh, windmill from the side. Oh, he going to go from the other side on the baseline. Oh, the guys have definitely got more creative. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:25:01 But still, they want to see a name. Be creative. That's the they want to see a name. Be creative. That's the problem because here's the thing. I mean, when you really think about it, the Kobe Dunks and the Jordan Dunks, if we put them in the scheme of thing, like Levine, like Aaron Gordon, like Vince Young, what are we talking about? Yeah. But it's talking about? Yeah. But it's called evolution.
Starting point is 01:25:28 No killing. But even then, when they were doing their dunks then in real time. Yes. Those were great dunks at the time. No, I did the 88 dunk contest. Otis Smith, first dunker, he did a 360 wing meal, got a 42.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Someone did a two-hand dunk, tapped it on his back, 46. It's like, what rigatoni is going on here? Right. The hardest dunk was first out of 42. Every dunk after that was higher. Like, yo, stop this, man. This is ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:26:13 But like you said, when it's not judged fairly, dunkers decide they don't want to participate. No, no. Because once Aaron Gordon had too many historically great dunks not to have won one contest. I don't give a damn what anybody says.
Starting point is 01:26:34 And part of my language, he's had too many great dunks. You can't have that many 50 dunks and say, well, he didn't win any of the competitions. Sometimes you just go against a't win any of the competitions. Sometimes you just go against a better dunker at the time. But at that dunk contest, even though we're like, he is dunking great, no one said Zach Levine shouldn't have won with his dunk repertoires. Aaron Jones should not have beat Aaron Jones. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:04 I'm sorry. I mean, yeah, true. He shouldn beat Aaron Jones. Yeah. I'm sorry. I mean, yeah, true. He should have won. Yeah. And you remember they had Sean Kemp. Wait, wait, wait. He lost to Derrick Jones. He lost to Zach Levine and Derrick Jones.
Starting point is 01:27:16 So Zach Levine got two, right? I think, yeah. And then Derrick Jones beat him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's dope. Yeah, I forgot. Like you said, remember what you, we had a conversation. If you give Levine and Aaron Gordon coke, are you mad?
Starting point is 01:27:35 No. Aaron Jones, Aaron, excuse me, Aaron Gordon, the dunks are too creative, too great for him not to have won one award. Yeah. Sometimes, listen, sometimes when you can't make a decision, it's okay saying, you guys are both the winner. Right? Yes. The grand prize is $100,000. Okay, God damn it. We got you $100,000 and we got $100,000. Okay, goddammit.
Starting point is 01:28:07 We got you $100,000 and we got $100,000. Nah, hell nah. You get $50,000, you get $50,000. The grand prize is $100,000. We got two winners, you got $50,000. Hey, hey, y'all the NBA, goddammit. Hey, I didn't tell you. Hey, listen.
Starting point is 01:28:16 I did my dunks to win this motherfucker by myself. I didn't tell you to split it up. So don't split my check up. Yeah, oh yeah. All right, well then keep ducking. Hey, you'll get tired. You'll be shooting threes.
Starting point is 01:28:32 Oh, my God. You're right about that. Morrison Gortat says NBA players get away with dirty tricks. Gortat reveals some of the crazy things that players get away with on the court. They would do a lot of things. When people box out, they would try and grab your balls and squeeze it. I swear to God, they do crazy stuff. Imagine your first reaction like, dude, what the hell?
Starting point is 01:28:52 You smack and then you're attacking the guy, but the referees most of the time don't see it. The first move, just a reaction when you're effed, you're cooked because he sees your reaction. Or on the pick and roll, Chris Paul would grab your leg or he would punch you in the nuts. Dudes do that all the time. That's why you do this during screen
Starting point is 01:29:12 is that you cover your nuts to make sure that you lift your weight. You lift weight so your body armor is strong. Y'all be doing stuff like that, Gil? Nah. Nah. Those are called dates but he's right about that he's right when you set the screen you gotta hold
Starting point is 01:29:37 because they'll run through that arms gonna run through the ass you got players like that right so that's why y'all be doing that huh yeah you got dirty players like that uh i used to close line i mean not close line but i used to clip i'd be running ref ain't looking oh i clip oh i took the back of your foot let it hit the other one right oh yeah that i did that a few times I did that to Carmelone
Starting point is 01:30:05 He almost put the hammer on me And then I did that to Dallenberg And I don't know what kung fu move he hit me with Oh boy I was running down the lane Boom I just fell out of my house Would you get a
Starting point is 01:30:22 Plaguer 1 or a Plaguer 2? They didn't call nothing What? They didn't call nothing. What? They didn't see it. That's what I said. I don't know what ninja kung fu black belt he had with him in his training, but he hit me. The ref didn't see it.
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Starting point is 01:33:45 Gil, you told a story to Paul George that you wore MJ's orthotics with the Wizards. What was it like following the MJ era? Because you, we look, I don't care what anybody says. Everybody explained meeting MJ the same way. He doesn't seem real. He's mythical. I'm not the same way. He doesn't seem real. He's mythical. I'm not the only one. Hell, I thought I was the only one because I'm not
Starting point is 01:34:09 in the sport and I'm not as big as some of the guys that are seeing the Allen Ironsons, the Shacks, LeBron, a lot of great basketball players saying meeting him, he doesn't seem, he seems like he's levitating and that's what you
Starting point is 01:34:26 had to follow because i'm sure people a lot of people in the organization i shouldn't say a lot i'm sure some held him in very high regards although the owner mr polian probably didn't you know you know what it is it was the pressure the pressure wasn't as high as it should have been, I think, because they didn't make the playoffs. Right. Right. They won 37 games. The taste that was left in the organization. Right. It wasn't a feel good. organization, right? It wasn't a feel good. So when I went there to talk to
Starting point is 01:35:07 Mr. Copeland, and this is why when I got hurt, he gave me 111, when everyone told him no, right? He said, if you get me out of this Jordan bonanza, because they didn't think they were going to sign a big free agent, right? So I was the second biggest free agent that year's lamar odom didn't mean
Starting point is 01:35:27 so when i signed it was like a big deal oh my god we got one because we thought like that what happened with jordan nobody was going to come here right um you know my dad first question my dad asked why because he's a jordan fan what why why j Jordan here why is he not owning the team so Mr. Poland had to tell him you know how the team felt and all that so when I got there there was no pressure because we were so young
Starting point is 01:35:55 so no one expected anything right you know we played we got to really like fail and I think the second year when I really got in that gym and trained my ass. I didn't go home.
Starting point is 01:36:12 I sat in that gym and really perfected a weapon of choice. Understanding the playbook. Understanding my teammates. Understanding the coaching. Looking at game film. Looking at the playbook. Rewriting the playbook. understanding my teammates, understanding the coaching, looking at game film, looking at the playbook, rewriting the playbook. I spent the whole summer trying to figure out how to be great in this new system.
Starting point is 01:36:34 Calling Larry, hey, what do you think about moving this way? So me and Larry, sitting in the coach, coach sitting in the back, redo it, okay? I had the whole playbook. Damn it, 300 plays, you can scrap this, this, this. We don't have the type of player. Then they make a trade, got Antoine Jamison in. Like, oh, wait, hold on. Give me back those plays
Starting point is 01:36:51 because we got ends. Now that can change shit up. Right. And we got off to a start, and I don't think the city was ready for it because they didn't have no expectations for us.
Starting point is 01:37:01 So when we made the playoffs, I became a folk hero. Right. Right? We didn't suppose we made the playoffs, I became a folk hero. Right. Right? We didn't supposed to make the playoffs for damn near 2006, 2007. And we made it in 2004, 2005.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Right. So, you know, from there, that swing of turning the organization around, the city just loved it. Right. Upgrade King asked, are the Lakers a couple of 40-42% three-point
Starting point is 01:37:30 shooters away from the NBA Finals? Chemistry granted. Much love to Nightcap fam worldwide between Lovegill's addition to at Nightcap. What are the Lakers? How do the Lakers get out of the crowded West to the NBA Finals? What do they need?
Starting point is 01:37:45 What is one thing? If you say, you know what? I'm the general manager. I'm Rob Palenka up until the trade deadline. What does Gil do to help the Lakers? Doesn't guarantee no guarantees, but what do you think the Lakers need in order to make a deep
Starting point is 01:38:02 run to the playoffs and possibly get to the finals? Right now, D'Angelo's playing very well. This is what you hate during trade deadline, when a guy turns it on. Something that you've been expecting him to do from the beginning, he turns it on right now averaging about 27-6-5
Starting point is 01:38:19 in the last five games. It's like, ah. You know what I mean? D'Angelo playing like he don't want to leave. in the last five games. So it was like, ah. You know what I mean? Oh, D-Lo played. D-Lo been balling that five games. D-Lo played like he don't want to leave. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 01:38:30 Other than that, you just need another player. You need another player you can count on. That's why I said if we can make a trade and get Deontay here without losing our starting five, that would help. But to give away a starter plus this and some draft pick, I don't see how that- I don't see that. That doesn't help. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:54 It doesn't. I agree. We need to add him to our roster, and that still is not enough. Right. I think what we really need is called next year. Next year. Who do you need next year? Florian Carlos Suba.
Starting point is 01:39:16 Fuck it, Agent Zero. If Kobe wins 2004-08, would have seven rings. Is he considered the GOAT? I don't think so. Not with one MVP. And that's... But so, y'all have him at one MVP.
Starting point is 01:39:34 The NBA players, we got him at three. No, but you can. I just go by what I see. So how many you got Jordan at? Nine, 10. How many you got LeBron at? First note, how many you got Shaq at? 9, 10. How many you got LeBron at? First note, how many you got Shaq at?
Starting point is 01:39:48 Yeah. Think about it. When we talk about MVPs, when you really look at history, you look at like, wait, who got an MVP when Jordan was playing right who will if his team was
Starting point is 01:40:09 number one he led the NBA in scoring how did y'all give it to someone else right it's that you know we're so tired of him winning and doing this we got to give it to someone else to make it look like everyone's great right and you know that's why I why I said sometimes it's so hard to look at these for what it really is because it's not what it is. It was jaded. It was biased intentions. So, you know, like, yeah, Jordan got six, but not really. You know, he had whatever year he came in from 88, 89 to when he retired in the two years, that was MVP him.
Starting point is 01:40:51 Right. He got the best record with the best team. He was the best player, leading everything and scoring, leading everything. How he's not winning. Come on. Right. Yeah, but like you said, they just get tired. Sometimes they get tired of voting for you.
Starting point is 01:41:04 It's like, hey, we got to give it to somebody else yeah but kobe with one no he got he got legit three jabari robertson asked how can you be in the gold conversation if you lost more finals than you won outside of mj and kobe three peated with shack and almost did it without well lebron almost three peated because in miami they won two and then lost to so we don't do almost. We don't do almost. this is what I'm on right now. And I'm going to keep preaching it.
Starting point is 01:41:35 When we're talking about resumes and whoever your goat is, whoever you think should be in it, focus on their resume. Don't tell me what someone else's resume is. Don't tell me, oh, this guy went to the finals 10 times but only won four. Who are you like?
Starting point is 01:41:56 Then tell me his resume. Stop telling me everybody else what they didn't do or what they can't do. Okay, I like that. Just lay everybody's resume down and we go from there. I do not care about who Jordan played in the finals and how sorry he was. How many rings he got? Six. Okay, six finals, six rings, ten titles, ten
Starting point is 01:42:15 nicks. That's it. I don't want to hear what he didn't do. What he couldn't do. That is irrelevant. We don't do that in no parts of life. When we go to the workplace, when we go to the workplace and we're talking about our...
Starting point is 01:42:32 That job, you don't say, well, my real estate better than he is. Yeah, mine look better. Look what I got, look what he got. Look where I went to school at. We're just presenting our case for ourselves. That's all we need to do.
Starting point is 01:42:45 When we're sitting here debating, and whoever you have, just debate your facts on why he should be good. Let that person debate why he should be good. Going back and forth, you focus on why my guy shouldn't be the GOAT. That is pointless. Not with me. I got to debate Stephen A. And my guy's still the GOAT, Stephen A. So I know you're watching.
Starting point is 01:43:16 So I'm standing on that. Tell Stephen A, you talk about your guy and only his stats. Don't look over here. Let me defend on my stats. Don't tell me. Like, if I say four championships, Stephen A, don't look over here. Let me defend on my stats. Don't tell me. If I say four championships, Stephen A, don't you say he was there ten times. Four championships, that's all you need to know.
Starting point is 01:43:33 Which was four times more to your guy. Samuel Griffin asked, should LeBron's hesitancy to enter the dunk contest affect his status as a GOAT contender? No! Listen. Why?
Starting point is 01:43:47 The reason he didn't enter the dunk contest, because he don't have dunk packets. No! He got, hey, what you want to do? Just jump from far, pull it out like here? Ah! Exactly. You want to do this?
Starting point is 01:44:01 Right, that's it. That's it. Right, you know, Dunking on people ain't dunk contest things unless you're going to have people jump and try to block it and he get to dunk. There's just some people who don't have creativity in there.
Starting point is 01:44:15 To be a great dunker, you got to have imagination. Yes. The dunks that when Ben Carter broke those dunks out, I'm like what the and when Aaron Gordon who takes the dunk off the mascot sit in the chair and dunk
Starting point is 01:44:32 the ball that's what I'm saying like it or go behind his head come on that's what I'm saying like that's not what his he can jump from far. He can dunk and jump high.
Starting point is 01:44:48 Dunk contest is about being flexible and understanding how to move in the air. Yes. Something he didn't have. And then those guys, you need to be like, the shorter the guy, the better the dunk looks. It's the lanky guys who can twerk their bodies
Starting point is 01:45:07 I mean Aaron Gordon was a big broad guy but for him to be able to contort his body like he did yeah you're right I mean that's crazy it's fun I mean come on when are we going to ever see another 5-6 guy with a dunk contest
Starting point is 01:45:24 but listen the dunk spud does we gonna ever see another 5-7 or 5-6 guy with a dunk contest, Gil? But listen, the dunk Spud does versus the 5-6 guys today, it is two different dunks. But see, here's the thing. But Spud wasn't missing dunks. I mean, Robinson, Nate Robinson missed like 15 dunks. He missed 15 to make
Starting point is 01:45:42 one. You know, the year Spud won, it was destined for him to win. dunks. He missed 15 to make one. You know, the year Spud won, it was destined for him to win. He beat Dominique. Yeah. And the matter of fact, it was in Dallas. Yeah, it was because every dunk he did, it went in. It actually went in.
Starting point is 01:45:57 There was no... It was his time. And we had never seen... Gil, we had never seen a guy that small get up that high. And he had to bounce the ball off the floor. He had to bounce the ball because with them little hands he had to try to take the ball up there with one hand and dunk it. And what's going to happen, Gil?
Starting point is 01:46:18 That little baby hand like this here. Man, he needs a softball to be able to dunk it and cuff it like the other guys would do it. They should have changed the ball for him. Yeah, man, he needed a Nerf basketball, man. He wasn't going to be able to take an NBA basketball up there. So he had to bounce it off the floor. He had to throw it off the backboard.
Starting point is 01:46:43 But still, Gil, did you see how high that man was up in the air? Not for real. They said that ball was heavier than him, boy. If you'd have tried to take it. That's funny. The VA 804 baby said, hey, handsome Gil, what do you think of Matt McClung in the 23-3 dunk
Starting point is 01:47:01 contest? That dude was doing the doggone thing. He was. He won. He won. He deserved to win. I don't know if you knew him in high school, but as a high school dunker, if they did a vote of in-game dunking, the best in-game dunker in high school. He's one or two.
Starting point is 01:47:28 Really? Arguably, he's one. Because the dunks he did in the dunk contest, he was doing in-game on people. Like the stuff he was doing, you're like, wait, hold on. How tall is he, Gil? I don't know. Never seen him. But I know he's January 6th.
Starting point is 01:47:44 Capcom. He's a Capcom. I like the idea that even though he's not in the NBA, he gets to defend his title. Yeah. They gave him an opportunity. Yeah, I like the NBA, the fact
Starting point is 01:48:01 that they did that. So I hope it opens it up for more opportunities of outside guys who have these jumping abilities that come into that contest to give the world another look. You know, it's like giving hope. You know, it's a whole thing. And I think the NBA needs to realize that these guys might not be able to's sponsored by the NBA itself, they should be able to enter the dunk contest to bring us some new blood. Seth Potter says, I love this show.
Starting point is 01:48:54 I follow both of you, follow both of y'all shows. I was watching Gale's Arena yesterday when Jenna said women shoot better than men. My question is, if the WNBA best shooters versus NBA best shooters, who wins? Hey, man,
Starting point is 01:49:10 they getting their ass smacked. On the court. Not in real life. On court. Right here. Yeah. I agree. I definitely think. If you take the 10
Starting point is 01:49:24 best WNBA shooters and then take the 10 NBA best shooters, I think the 10 NBA best shooters are going to win. I just do. I ain't talking about dunking. I'm talking about just shooting. You know what it is, though? I asked the coach, I'm not going to say his name,
Starting point is 01:49:43 who coached WNBA. He said there's one thing about the women's game. What they don't have is they want to be the best. All of them want to be the best. He said, in the NBA, everybody wants to be the GOAT. They're trying to figure out how to be the GOAT. The women's game, they're usually content.
Starting point is 01:50:07 Because they're on the bricks of playing and not playing, going overseas and stuff, they don't really have the time. With the NBA, dudes that sit in the gym six, seven hours. They don't have their own gym.
Starting point is 01:50:24 There's a lot of things that are handy. They're making $50, $60 million and WNBA players, what's a max player can get? $250? Where are the Sparks? If the Sparks was training right now and they want to go to the gym at one o'clock in the morning because they can't sleep,
Starting point is 01:50:40 they can't go to the Staples Center. They don't have their own arena. That's the advantage, right? But as a flat-out shooter, there's some shooters out there that just flat-out can shoot the ball. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy, Uncle Gil, Gil, can you share a specific game or play in a basketball or your basketball career that taught you a valuable lesson, either about sport itself or life in general? It was called. It's called Humble Pie. I kind of taste it a little bit last weekend, but I didn't really like that one.
Starting point is 01:51:24 So, you know, I just spit that out. I'm back to talking trash, right? Right. But it was Dwyane Wade. Right. You know, it was after that Olympics. They lost in the Olympics. You know, they put the zone in on them.
Starting point is 01:51:43 So, you know, the season comes up and they start talking about Miami. Like, yeah, what about Miami? Nobody cared about no Miami and no D-Wade, man. We doing what we doing over here. We just going to put a zone in. They can't shoot anyway. Right? So I forgot about it.
Starting point is 01:52:00 And somebody was like, yeah, you know D-Wade coming to town. So I was like, oh, that's what's up. They was like, no, he's on fire right now. Like he's prepared for you. So I started looking at his numbers like, oh, no, he has caught a rhythm. I called this man in his hotel room. Hey, man, you know these reporters and got everything misconstrued. You know, you already used that word, misconstrued. That wasn't me.
Starting point is 01:52:27 And I like, whoo, when I seen his eyes in the game. No, I was saying, hey, use your words, speak to me, say something. He was on demon time. That was the last time I said anything about a player. That man molly whopped me my whole career after that. I think I was 3-13 against the way. Kenneth McKinnon, hey, big bro, give us a rookie story about Nick. Because Nick Young was your rookie right? Nick was my rookie Here's a rookie story
Starting point is 01:53:12 It didn't go in his favor He got beat up Gil What? No it wasn't beat up But he was shot up They was playing paintball and, and,
Starting point is 01:53:26 him, no, him, Dominique Maguire and, Andre Blotch decided that they were going to sneak in my house
Starting point is 01:53:38 because I rented, you know, the mother of my child. I gave them her house. Right. She moved in. Right. So I gave them her house. She moved in. So I gave them her so they were just renting that. So they didn't have to pay no bills.
Starting point is 01:53:52 So they snuck in and then while I'm asleep taking my nap, they all shot me with the paintball. Ah! Man, they got paint all over your house, Gil. All over the bed every day. But I think he forgot that I have keys to the house he's living in.
Starting point is 01:54:12 Right. So loaded ice mine. I put mine in the freezer. Froze them bad boys. Went over there. Went in. He was sitting on the couch and let him have it
Starting point is 01:54:26 for at least 2-3 years his whole back had the warts of those paintballs embedded he looked like a leopard when I was done with him he looked like a leopard he had to get his back tattooed because of those scars he put on his back. See? It starts up,
Starting point is 01:54:47 you can't finish. Hey, don't play with me like that. Khalil Sports ASMR. Hey, Uncle Gil, today's my 26th birthday. I'd love to receive a happy birthday from two of you. Also love to see a female co-host on the pod in the future. No, unfortunately,
Starting point is 01:55:04 Khalil, that's not going to happen because what we talk about, we're not going to get canceled. We're not going to change the way we talk to be accommodating. So you'll feel free to get you a co-host, to get a female, but that's not going to happen here. I don't want to parse what I'm saying because
Starting point is 01:55:20 we have a conversation and we already know how that's going to end. Oh, I can't believe they said that in front of her. I can't believe they did that instead of her. Happy birthday to you. You get your 26th birthday shout out. But as long as Shannon Sharp is the owner and proprietor of
Starting point is 01:55:35 Nightcap, that ain't going to happen, baby. I'm sorry. So that's that. Go ahead, Gil. Give her a birthday. This was the man. It was you just now. Nah, bro. That ain't going to This was a man. It was you just now. Nah, bro. That ain't gonna happen. Gil, we know where this goes. We know where this going. Everything is not meant
Starting point is 01:55:52 to have a woman involved. Y'all got... We gotta stop this notion. Oh, it'll be so great with a woman. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not gonna happen here. So if y'all, if females, and I commend
Starting point is 01:56:07 females for starting their own, I support them, but that's not going to happen on Nightcap because we have two mature, grown conversations. And the first thing women, well, they talk like that in front of her. I can't believe she let them talk like that when we've
Starting point is 01:56:23 been talking like we've been talking for the longest yeah so i'm sorry hey if y'all if y'all want to hear women chime in we answer as many women questions as we possibly can but as long this is ours this is ocho's in mind when i put this together with him in mind this is what what we're going to do. Now, we had no idea that we're going to tell the stories that we ended up telling. And when we first told the story, I really didn't know how it was going to be received. Hell, I'm looking at
Starting point is 01:56:54 Ash because, hell, she a female and she dying laughing. I'm like, oh, no. Is she laughing? I'm like, but is anybody... She knows me, though. How is... How are the're going to take this? So, look, bro, I'm that's not I'm sorry. We're not going to have we're not. Hey, if someone came to me and said, well, Shannon, I have this great show idea with females.
Starting point is 01:57:20 Let me know what you think. Hey, I'll take a look at it. I'll have my team take a look at it. Maybe we can work something out. But this space, unfortunately, guys, is just going to be just going to be male only. Hey, I don't know if your birthday's messed up. This year? There's always
Starting point is 01:57:41 next year. Hey, Stephanie Warfield asks, hey, Shad and Gil, what's your take analysis on the University of Kansas men's basketball program having to vacate 15 of their wins from 2018? Do you think the punishment was fair?
Starting point is 01:57:57 Did they win the national championship in 2018? I don't know. I don't watch baby basketball. I'm like, as long as it ain't a national championship, hell no. I don't care about the win. Hey, I don't know. I don't watch baby basketball. I'm like, as long as it ain't a national championship, hell no. I don't care about the win. Hey, I don't know why they're taking wins. What is the win? I already got them.
Starting point is 01:58:12 I took $100. What that got to do with taking wins from me? What does the money have to do with the winning? I don't understand why the colleges do that. It just don't matter, right? I got a new car. It does not turn into wins. So you're taking the championship. It just don't matter. I got a new car, does not turn into wins. So you taking the championship, you taking the range,
Starting point is 01:58:29 you taking the wins. You ain't alone, you don't take this car. What was I doing? If I was cheating in the game to get the wins, it makes sense. But what I'm doing outside getting free food, somebody doing my homework does not lead to wins. Me getting buckets led to wins.
Starting point is 01:58:45 Right. Andrea Jordan, I love the show. I want to ask, what's your favorite hot cereal? Oatmeal, cream of wheat, farina? Never heard of that. Grits with sugar? See, you done messed it up. Andrea, you effed it up because
Starting point is 01:59:01 you're talking about putting sugar on grits. And if you don't put sugar on grits, you put talking about putting sugar on grits. You don't put sugar on grits. You put butter and black pepper on grits. You put cheese on grits. You messed around and effed up a good ass meal.
Starting point is 01:59:17 Talking about putting some sugar on some grits. I don't know where it's coming from. It all depends. I ate oatmeal every day for 27 years. From 1993 until 2020 when the pandemic hit, I had eaten oatmeal every single day for 27 years. And then when the pandemic hit, I eat it periodically. When I'm at the hotel, I'll order grits.
Starting point is 01:59:42 I mean, excuse me, I'll order oatmeal. But I grew up eating both. Obviously, being from the South, you eat oatmeal. I mean, we used to eat big, big. It wasn't no like this little thing. We made, my grandmother made big, big heaping pots because it was a lot of us. My aunts ate it also.
Starting point is 02:00:02 And we put butter and sugar on oatmeal. Man, I couldn't imagine my grandmother watching somebody put some sugar on grits that she made. What's her name, Unc? Mary, Mary Porter. The one who just put that, not... Andrea. Andrea, you must be from California, girl, because I'm sorry.
Starting point is 02:00:28 I done thrown some... Yeah, you from California. You from the door. I done thrown some sugar and some... Hell nah. I put the butter, I put the butter, the cheese, everything, spin a little, I spit a little sugar in that joint. We put honey on hamburgers out here, man.
Starting point is 02:00:44 Oh, Lord, y'all see. Yeah. See, and y'all, every time you go somewhere, would you like some avocado toast? Hell no. Did I ask for avocado toast? I do exactly what I want. May I help you?
Starting point is 02:00:56 Hey, let me get X, Y, and Z. Would you like some avocado toast? What's that? I don't remember mentioning avocado toast. You thought I forgot that? You thought I came and forgot what I actually wanted to order as I'm standing to the window. So you want to remind me about some bull jive avocado toast.
Starting point is 02:01:11 No, I do not want any avocado toast. She got to be from Cali, because only Cali people put sugar on everything. Got sugar, spaghetti. We put sugar on everything, Unc. Hey, Unc. I will. Hey, Unc. I know you know a little about everything we know gill is into battle rap we've seen him battle rap super hot fire are you in the battle rap if so who you like it you too gill nah i ain't in the battle rap i don't i you're talking about like
Starting point is 02:01:42 like eight mile that kind of battle rap. You're talking about like 8 Mile, that kind of battle rap? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, I don't follow it like that, Gil. You don't? No. That's the thing. Like, when you ain't got nothing to do, battle rapping is the thing, because
Starting point is 02:02:00 it's strategy, right? They got to research their opponent. Right, yeah. Dive into their life. And then the best part I like about it is they got to try to outpour each other, right? Right.
Starting point is 02:02:14 That's the funniest part. The poorer you were, the harder the bar sounds. Yeah. Right, you know what I mean? You was on welfare. The next person say, I ain't even eat was on welfare you know the next person say I ain't eat like like you will be
Starting point is 02:02:27 a great battle rap with how you grew up you will be a great battle rapper like you know like I ain't take a hot shower or I ain't use the bathroom in 18 years I can't do that I'm very I've been very good at live.
Starting point is 02:02:46 People think people were saying they were in the chat. Like when we, Ocho and I, we did the call because you know, when the kicker missed the field goal and people called him up and gave him death threats on social media. So Ocho and I reenacted it and people actually thought Ocho and I had rehearsed that.
Starting point is 02:03:02 No, I said, you know, Hey, somebody come to your job after you mess up and, you know, blah, blah, blah. He's like, OK. He picked up on ring, ring, ring. OK, do that with me. And so we go through this sequence like we have this skit. But I've always, always.
Starting point is 02:03:19 And people thought that, you know, Skip and I rehearsed. No, I have no idea what Skip's going to say. For the most part, the only time Oo and i talk is when we do this i might send him something same thing with you and i i might send him something he sends me something but the one thing that i was looking for i needed someone to not be able to be able to make fun of themselves. Sometimes people think so much of themselves, they can't make fun of themselves or they take themselves too serious. He and I both can make fun of ourselves
Starting point is 02:03:54 when we have fun with it. But that's the best part about how we do things is to be able to pick up, okay, I think this would be great here. And it works. It works. And that's what you have to have and i don't believe chemistry is something that you have to work on you either have it or you don't thanks you you either have it or you don't and for me i've always been i've always been quick-witted i've always been able to think on my feet. And, you know, me, look, I went to school,
Starting point is 02:04:29 I don't know if you know, Red Grant, we called him Dirty Red. Red Grant. He was a fullback on our team at Savannah State. Now, he, and we used to have talent shows. He and a guy named Bernard Mack, rest his soul, they were like, we'd have a talent show, and they was like,
Starting point is 02:04:44 you know, they would get up there and they'd tell the jokes. They'd have like a five minute, a ten minute set. And they were great. But when it comes to just flat-out Joni, I'm going to talk about what you got on. I'm going to talk about your girl. I'm going to talk about your car. I'm going to talk about how you look.
Starting point is 02:04:59 Wasn't nobody seeing me in Savannah State. Wasn't nobody seeing me in Denver. Wasn't nobody seeing me in Baltimore. When it just comes to flat-out Joni, because if you went to an HBCU and you couldn't Joni, you just go fight all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking,
Starting point is 02:05:15 as Rick, when it comes to Joni, it was me and a dude, his name, we call him, he's a pastor, not Pastor Ford. But me and Big Daddy,
Starting point is 02:05:26 just sit around. Just sit, hey, and we go at it. When it just comes to flat-out zoning, I'm talking about just talking about what you got on, how you look, your car. Ain't nobody seeing me. Your car? Yeah. Ain't nobody seeing me.
Starting point is 02:05:42 I'll just give, can you imagine, and I just, they just hear samples of how I go back. But that was every day in Denver's locker. Well, probably like when I got to like, probably like my third,
Starting point is 02:05:53 like my, like 93, when I kind of like came into my own as a player and I wasn't worried about getting cut. From that point on, ask him.
Starting point is 02:06:04 Ed McAfee used to be sitting in my locker room and just be laughing. I mean, he'd sit across from me. Rob, oh, we having sessions. I'm talking about they couldn't see me. Not with Jonan. I can tell jokes too now. I can tell jokes, but I'm talking about just Jonan? Nah.
Starting point is 02:06:19 Yeah, those are the best people in the locker room. The guys who can just clear out a room, talk trash, and just make people laugh. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's my thing. Who else? Nico asks, what's up? Okay, Gil, I'm 27, messed up with an older woman.
Starting point is 02:06:35 Any advice on how to get her back? How much older, Nico? You're 27. When she's 40, you got to let her go. Oh, man, she done put that meal or go Oh man she done put that She done put She done put That meal or she put that thing on you She done put the old snap on
Starting point is 02:06:48 Oh man She put that snap on it She got it It's over It's over It's over Man Man
Starting point is 02:06:58 Hey Man I had one of them I had one of them I was about 19 Man I was looking forward to daylight With a flashlight I couldn't find her Gil she had that thing on me had me in a chokehold Gil
Starting point is 02:07:09 I've been there been there she was doing things them young girls ain't even heard of her yet and I'm all there for it don't you don't you
Starting point is 02:07:19 don't you I come in the house I come in the house Gil I say ain't nobody gonna move with me don't nobody move with me Gil oh man she had your boys man what
Starting point is 02:07:30 man you could drive an 18 wheel up my nose she had my nose open so why double bound that's my nose right there she had it open they know how to get a young boy I can tell you that and then her husband
Starting point is 02:07:47 let me tell you that back I tell you that back I wanted to fight him I wanted to fight him I wanted to fight the man about his wife I'm like hold on how am I going to be mad at somebody about that oh man
Starting point is 02:08:03 but it was her fault. Oh, my God. Nah. Yeah, but I'm sorry, Nico. But, hey, they hard to get back because they not going to listen. The stuff that you tell them, they've heard it already. So it's kind of hard to get them back, Nico.
Starting point is 02:08:28 Well, I mean, for the most part. She might be the move-down, Nico. Yeah, she probably done. She done probably the move-down. Box for another young man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, Nico. Next time you get your
Starting point is 02:08:45 old one don't mess it up it ain't good they break y'all they give you a couple of dollars they kept a couple of dollars in my pocket you know the old ones they warm up the towel at the end they get you the hot don't move
Starting point is 02:09:00 that's what I say don't nobody move they lay there they go in there get the hot towel, get the suns, you know, wipe you up. Yeah. Them young girls, it's cold. You want something to drink? Tell me, you thirsty? Yeah, you know what? Give me
Starting point is 02:09:15 a Coke, okay? I'm like, well, damn. Them young girls ain't did nothing. Nothing. Tell me, you brought me something. You brought me something. Brought you something? I showed it. I just gave something. You brought me something. Brought you something. I sure did. I just gave it to you two minutes ago. Just gave it to you two minutes ago.
Starting point is 02:09:33 I hope you like it. I hope you like it. Them older women, they take care of you, man. They do you right. They do you right. They do you right. And they looking for somebody, you. They do you right. They do you right. They looking with somebody, you know.
Starting point is 02:09:48 Mm-hmm. Yeah, Nico, I'm sorry, man. You're going to be thinking about this for a while. Yeah, Nico. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Nico. I'm sorry. I hate it for you, boy, because I know what you're going to do. I feel your pain. I ain't telling you something that I don't know.
Starting point is 02:10:04 I'm speaking firsthand. Yeah. It be what? I'm about 18, 19. She about 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 35, 36. Damn, up. Wait, hold on.
Starting point is 02:10:20 No, no. No, no, no. We just, nah. We. No. We just. No. No. We're going to write her name down. We're going to call on people on her. No.
Starting point is 02:10:31 Call up who? Yeah. Ain't but three people knew about it. Ain't but three people knew about it. Now, everybody in the chat know about it now. What's the next? No. It's too late.
Starting point is 02:10:39 Statue of limitation no more. I don't. I don't know if she was creepy or you was creepy. Both. Okay. Both. Both. As long as both. That's called creepy.
Starting point is 02:10:56 Like I said, like these young girls, and I ain't condoning that, like these high school 14-year-olds messing with the teachers. And these young good-looking... I like how one of the teachers look like that when we in the school, the 14-year-olds messing with the teachers. And these young, good-looking, I'm like, everyone on the teachers look like that when we was in school, Gil. They ain't look nothing like that.
Starting point is 02:11:09 I was just that when I was in school. Man, them teachers had them horn-ring glasses on. They was 62. Oh, my God. Them out of shape, overweight, you know, them 1,000-pound sisters. That was our teachers. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:11:22 They ain't trying to kill nobody. They looking to twist your ear and all that. And I mean, yeah, yeah. Damn, man. I wish that was me. I just want you to know, if you call the people, I ain't helping with the investigation. I don't know nothing.
Starting point is 02:11:44 I ain't helping with no investigation, Gil. Eric Crimms asked, Shannon or Gil, have y'all had to take y'all shirt off while y'all were playing on teammate? What was what? Okay, Shannon or Gil, y'all have had to take...
Starting point is 02:11:59 Oh, hold on. Hold on. Shannon or Gil, have y'all had to take a dump while y'all played or had a teammate almost during the game? Nah. Nah. I mean, normally guys, like in the game, guys would pee on the sideline.
Starting point is 02:12:23 The trainer would just come hold a bag. We move in front of a piece of equipment, and we just pee on the sideline. The trainer just come hold a bag, we move in front of a piece of equipment, and we just pee on the sideline. If it was raining, the offensive lineman, guys would pee in their pants. Just go, and it's wet. You don't know? But nah, nah, hell nah. What's wrong with y'all?
Starting point is 02:12:40 Nah. Guys would just pee on the sideline. I peed on the sideline a number... At least 10 times. On the sideline? Yes. You just go in the bag. They just hold the bag and you pee in it.
Starting point is 02:12:56 And the crowd get to see, we kneeling down, they don't know. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm saying. But no, no, hell no. No, we just run to the back. Like most of the people before
Starting point is 02:13:11 the games, their nerves kick in. Whatever Red Bull or any drink they took in, they're about to run through their body. So before the game, they're running in the bathroom. Now, we was in those woods. I remember them guys had to go to the bathroom and they come back with no shirt. They had no toilet paper. They used their
Starting point is 02:13:27 shirt. They used their shirt, and they come back and have to work the rest of the day with no shirt on. But that's not in the game. But NBA players bougie. We had players that wouldn't even use the restroom at the facility.
Starting point is 02:13:44 But see, that's the kind of players I'm talking about. See, I can't just go anywhere. Me, personally, I'd rather go in the woods than go in the gym. I'd rather go in the woods
Starting point is 02:14:00 than go in the airport. You mixed with Bear? What's wrong with you, man? Man, nah. Man, I like to be free. I take off all my clothes. I go to the bathroom, I take off everything I got
Starting point is 02:14:10 and throw it in the floor. I don't want nothing. I don't want nothing around my ankles. I want to be free. Oh, man. I'm just like, yeah, I'm butt naked. Clothes piled up in the floor.
Starting point is 02:14:25 Like, we had... Y'all up there laughing. I don't know who, I'm butt naked. Clothes piled up in the floor. Like, we had all of y'all up there laughing. I don't know who, who, I don't know what. So I'm the only one that take off all the clothes to go number two in the bathroom. I'm the only one. We not six, Unc. When we was six years old,
Starting point is 02:14:39 we did. I think I'll ever laugh. When we was six, Un six, we did that. We don't do that as a grown-ass adult. You're trying to get comfortable. We're trying to get in and get out. But see, here's the thing, though, Gil. That came from when I was growing up.
Starting point is 02:14:55 We had to go in the woods. So you had to take off all your clothes because you didn't want to get none on your clothes. So you took off all your clothes. You put them in front of you. And you went to the bathroom. So as I got an opportunity to go in the bathroom, I you took off all your clothes, you put them in front of you, and you went to the bathroom. So as I got an opportunity to go in the bathroom, I just thought that was just a natural progression.
Starting point is 02:15:11 I took off all my clothes. So if I go to the bathroom, I take off all my clothes and put them on the floor and I go to the bathroom, do what I do, put my clothes back on. I take off my shirt, my shorts, everything. I'll get in here like this.
Starting point is 02:15:27 Let me go. We about to get busy y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About to get busy y'all. Y'all, this is where Yeah. I'll take my age.
Starting point is 02:15:42 Come on. By the time you get off your clothes we done finished and got out of there this man Gil I'm telling you when I first I had this one like I would like I would I don't go to the bathroom like if we upstairs
Starting point is 02:15:59 I go downstairs she's like where you going I'm like I'm going to get something to eat and I go to the bathroom I don I'm like, I'm going to get something to eat. And I go to the bathroom. I don't tell her what I'm going to do. But I have my clothes piled up. Hey, I'm comfortable. Come back upstairs.
Starting point is 02:16:20 She's like, dang, I didn't hear you open the refrigerator. I said, yeah, I just got some cookies or something. Yeah, but nah, nah, nah, nah, you open the refrigerator. I say, yeah, I just got some cookies or something. But nah, nah, nah, not in the game. We ain't got to do no number two, but nah. I see, hey, somebody, am I the only one? I ain't the only one.
Starting point is 02:16:36 I ain't the only one. Yeah, but no, I take up, no. I take up everything. Shoes, socks, shirt. Yeah, I don't got on nothing. I got to be, I got to on nothing. I got to be free. I got to be comfortable. That's funny as hell. That's funny.
Starting point is 02:16:54 No, I don't fold no clothes. I just pile them up and down. Just throw them right there in the pile. Finish. Yeah, yeah. I got to get out of here. That's funny. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:05 Anthony Crowley said, older women with kids really take care of you. Fact. Nurturing. They nurturing. You need anything, you know,
Starting point is 02:17:13 hey, you, oh, yes, yes. Yeah. Rub your back with, hey, yes, I know. See? Man, y'all judging. You know,
Starting point is 02:17:24 when y'all in this chat, y'all be judging judging y'all be judging y'all some judging weird man weird I know I ain't the only one I know I ain't the only one you the only one
Starting point is 02:17:37 no no for one person in there it's just you man well I'm sorry no for one person in there it's just you man well I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm going up
Starting point is 02:17:53 I don't need no clothes on I'm in the bathroom by myself anyway y'all make it seem like I'm in a community bathroom no but look most people trying to get in and get out. Are you trying to get comfortable? I got to get comfortable.
Starting point is 02:18:10 I got to get comfortable. Yeah. You know, if I really got to go, I'll be kicking stuff off before I get there. How are you supposed to sneak up? Yeah, I'm about to go to the kitchen and you've been down there 20 minutes. I come back, look here. All my homes
Starting point is 02:18:27 got enough bathrooms. We ain't got to know where everybody going. And then I got to get comfortable with you first. So, because at first I'm going to send you on an errand. Oh, I forgot this. I need this. Can you go get this? I'm going to send you to Target. I'm going to send you the whole food. Then, if I get a little comfortable
Starting point is 02:18:43 to you, then I'm going to start, you know, he's like, we got that. You sent me to the store the other day to get that. We still got some of that. Then I go to the guest house. So I go out back. I'm going to go work out right quick. But you ain't got no workout clothes on. I'm just going to go.
Starting point is 02:18:58 I'm going to turn the fan on. I'm going to cut the lights on. I'm going to set the weights up. I got a lot. I can't tell them what I'm actually going to do. So I go get everything situated the lights on. I'm going to set the weights up. I got to lie. I can't tell them what I'm actually going to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I go get everything situated. Come on back.
Starting point is 02:19:09 Did I get... Like, I thought you said you was going to work out. I said, nah, I just... I had to get it... I had to get... She over here dying. So, yeah. And now they know your trick, huh?
Starting point is 02:19:21 Still, yeah. I'll be comfortable. Y'all laughing. I'll be comfortable. Oh, man. And I got... I keep toilet... I got to tell you, I'll be comfortable. Y'all laughing, I'll be comfortable. And I keep toilet paper in my car just in case. Like I said, I'd rather go to the woods. I'd rather go to – oh, I done been to the woods.
Starting point is 02:19:37 Even when I was in the league, I was going home. Man, my stomach started bubbling. I pulled right side of the road in my Mercedes, put them hazards on, got my gun, ran in the woods dropped the deuce off you're saying if there was if the world went to shit you gonna survive oh yeah
Starting point is 02:19:54 I go in the woods in a minute y'all think y'all seen Bigfoot nah it was my fucking that would be I was in the lead. It would go full side of the road and go to the bathroom. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:20:13 Yeah. Am I the only... Man, you the only one up. I guess it's my upbringing. Yes. Yes. Unc have baby wipes. I keep baby wipes in my...
Starting point is 02:20:24 Yes. Yes. Y'all big nasty. Big nasty. I keep baby wipes in my, yes, yes. Y'all big nasty. I bet y'all got skid marks. Like an airplane stopping on the runway. That's how skid marks look at your drones. You're nasty. Yeah, you better have baby wipes on you at all times. They talking about why I ain't had no socks.
Starting point is 02:20:42 First of all, I don't even know why I put on shoes because I'm not going nowhere. I put on shoes just to match the outfit. So I didn't put on no socks. But why y'all worried about my socks? He don't got clothes on when he doing it. I'm sorry. We just about getting judged over here.
Starting point is 02:21:03 Man, they be judging. Y'all judging. I can't tell y'all nothing because y'all be judging me. Yeah, but I keep baby wipes in my gym bag. I keep baby wipes in every bathroom. There's baby wipes. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:19 I'll be having... I'm not even out of the house long enough. I'm not even going to lie. I'll leave that. I'll be having, man. I'm not even out of the house long enough. I'm not even going to lie. I'll leave that. I wake up at 6. I'll leave the house and go to the gym. I'll sit out there until I got to use the restroom, and then I'll come back home.
Starting point is 02:21:43 But the problem is I don't understand why I just don't sit here until I use the restroom before I go out. Get on the roof. Get me a coffee. Sit there. Then got to use the restroom before I go out. Get on the roof, get me a coffee, sit there, then got to use the restroom. Come all the way back home, then go back out. If coffee have the effect, like for me, milk has that effect on me. If I drank some milk, like when I go
Starting point is 02:21:59 to the doctor and they say, well, you know, you need to go, you know, you take all this medicine, you're going to be constipated. All I got, go give me some chocolate milk and an said, well, you know, you need to go, you know, you take all this medicine, you're going to be constipated. All I got, go give me some chocolate milk and an apple. Man, you ought to solve, man, I had my hip, man, you ought to solve me hardly. He's like, where you going? I'm like, I got to
Starting point is 02:22:16 go downstairs. I'm hungry. Pick up the table. It's hurting, just stomach hurting. Man, man, that medicine came up out of me so quick. I drank me a glass of that chocolate milk. It got me an apple. It was over.
Starting point is 02:22:31 I don't know what the apples for. I just pretty sure. Oh, the apple peel? Man, I can't eat no apple. What? Man, that's a laxity. Chocolate milk and apple is a laxity to me. Boy, like people say,
Starting point is 02:22:45 coffee has that effect on them. I don't mess with no apples. If I want to get... I don't eat no apples. I will not eat an apple unless I'm at my house. Because about 10 minutes afterwards, I got to go.
Starting point is 02:23:01 If I drink chocolate milk in five minutes, all I got to do is drink chocolate milk in five minutes, all I got to do is drink chocolate milk, start counting. I can set my phone five minutes, my stomach starts... Oh, man.
Starting point is 02:23:19 Hey. At least you know how to clean your system. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I already know I already know what's gonna like do me in I don't mess with it
Starting point is 02:23:31 like I see people like eating lately used to have apples on the plane I see people I'm like oh no no oh they be in the sky club eating them apples I want no part of it I don't want no part of no apple I don't mess with no milk.
Starting point is 02:23:46 Hey, people be eating. I see, you know, used to have colds. They have to have cereal on the plane. And people be eating it. I'm like, oh my goodness. Man, I be tearing the... Hey, like I said,
Starting point is 02:23:55 I can barely fit the bathroom anyway. I have my head out the bathroom. Blood in there, head out the bathroom. Everybody be looking, knowing what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. I'm good.
Starting point is 02:24:07 I already know my system, so I don't fool no apple. Unless I... Man, let me go. I gotta go, man. I gotta go to work in the morning. Oh, yeah. Thank you for watching another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that like button. Hit that subscribe button.
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