Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavericks take control, Should Lakers hire JJ Redick?
Episode Date: May 16, 2024Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Gilbert Arenas react to the Mavericks taking a 3-2 lead over the OKC Thunder and debate whether JJ Redick would be a good hire for the Los Angeles Lakers ...03:41 - Show Starts05:06 - Mavs beat Thunder20:50 - Boston advances to ECF32:37 - Newscap32:49 - JJ Reddick and Lakers50:37 - Bronny James Combine(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The Mavericks go on the road
and beat the Thunder 104
to 92. They got a
30-point triple-double from
Luka Doncic. P.J. Washington
had 10 points, 10 rebounds.
Jones
had 19 points.
Daniel Gafford had 9 points,
7 rebounds. Kyrie had 12 points.
They got 11 points and 10 rebounds
from Derrick Lively, the second
off the bench as they
out-rebound the
OKC Thunder by 13, and they
win the game on the road. Gil, let's start
with you first. What did you
like? What impressed you the most about what you saw with the Mavericks going on the road. Gil, let's start with you first. What did you like? What impressed you the most
about what you saw with the Mavericks going on the road
and getting this win? I mean, it
was a big win for them. It
showed, you know, it showed
professionalism. It
shows why Luka and Kyrie
are stars in this league, right?
You know, a lot of superstars
or
star players, franchise guys,
they would have folded to how they lost last game,
but they'll bounce back.
Luka was excellent today.
Kyrie was solid.
And they came out and willed their team to this win tonight.
Yeah, I agree with everything you said.
Considering how they lost that ball game, had an eight-point lead
with probably like three minutes to go
and they gave that game up.
They really should be
getting ready to celebrate
going to the Western
Conference Finals,
but they have to go home
and try to close it out
game six.
And if I'm Jason Kidd,
I'm not saying,
look here, guys,
I'm not coming back to OKC
until next season.
So get your mind ready to play.
Ocho, you know what I'm saying?
Get your mind ready to play.
Let's close this ish out
Saturday night
and get ready for the Western Conference Finals.
Ocho, what did you like about what you saw?
What did you like what you saw from the Mavericks tonight?
I mean, listen, each night, each game is somebody different.
Obviously, Luka's going to do what he does.
Kyrie contributed a little bit.
The past two games, maybe the past three games,
P.J. Washington played extremely well.
But instead of P.J. Washington tonight,
hell, it was goddamn Derrick Jones Jr.
He had 19 points.
And Luka did what he did.
And Shea...
I don't want to say his name wrong.
Shea?
Shea Gildress.
Shea Gildress.
SGA.
All right, SGA.
He needed a little bit of help.
He needed a little bit more help.
Shett did what he could.
But the supporting cast that Shea has
isn't enough to offset the contribution
and what the Mavs give each game and each night.
You know what, Gil?
When you look at this game, had the Mavericks not been careless with the basketball,
had all those turnovers, this game wasn't supposed to be close.
They shot almost 53% from the floor.
They shot 40% from the three-point line.
They out-rebounded them by 13 rebounds.
But it was
the turnovers that got them in trouble if they're not if they don't turn the ball over like they did
this ball game's probably over with about six minutes to go in the ball game because when
hit that three put them up 18 yeah i thought for all intents and purposes it was over after that
and then the next thing you know the thunder go go on, what, a 10-0 run,
an 11-0 run, and all of a sudden they make it a ball game
because the Nuggets, you know, excuse me, the Nuggets,
the Mavericks got bogged down.
Lucas started holding the ball, shooting the ball with one second.
Run your offense.
I understand you want to run time off.
You don't want to take a quick shot.
But I don't think, you know, you're just holding the ball,
patting the ball, and all of a sudden you hot potato it. It's a
good thing. But give them credit.
Give the Mavericks credit for
going on the road, winning this ball game,
especially how they lost that ball game.
What didn't you like about what you saw
from the Thunder, Gil?
What I didn't like is they settled.
And
I don't know if it's like this in football and basketball.
You have two styles of play, right?
You have your home play and your road play.
Correct.
Usually your road game is a little more relaxed, patient, right?
You pick your spots, and then at home you're more free.
Well, that costs them that tonight, shooting 40.
This is not a team that usually chucks threes when they're off.
The fact that they took 43
is 10 for 40. That's the game
right there. You didn't get to the free throw
line. Usually you guys are getting to the free throw
line, putting the team,
because they have a small team,
they're not very tall,
especially when they take
shit out. You usually
are using your athleticism to get down low,
get a little easy, lay up some free throws.
So the fact that you didn't get to the free throw line
lets you know that you was too confident
and too, lots of days ago, at the home,
where you should have been really,
we're not going to shoot threes early,
we're really going to beat them down low.
Like, you know, kind of like when the Kind of like when the Lakers are playing small
teams, they usually just
try to attack them down low.
And that's what they usually do
on the road. So it's like, ah,
this is one of those games where you just can't
just tuck a whole bunch of threes up.
Yeah, 43, that's not
the Thunder's game. 10 of 40, 25%
from the floor. They only shot 10
free throws. A team that normally
attacks the basket. You got Shea Gilgis.
He's constantly putting pressure
on you. Jalen
Williams did not have his finest hour.
He needed to play better. They can't win with
him having 12 points.
Chet Holmgren had 13. You get Lou
Dort had 12. And you get Josh
Giddey who came off the bench for the first time.
He had 11 points.
You need Jalen Williams.
Shea's giving you 30 points damn near every game, Gil.
I think with the exception of one game, he had 29.
But he's giving you 30.
He's doing all he can.
Jalen Williams, you're their second-best player.
You need to give them around 20 points.
You've got to give them 20.
And then if Chet gives you anywhere between 13 and 18, you live with that.
You take whatever you can get from Lou Dort.
But you know you're asking a lot from Lou
because he's exerting a lot of energy
trying to keep Luka in check.
That's asking an awful lot because
Luka with all that herky-jerky movement,
he's going to post you up. He's going to put his shoulder
into your chest. He's going to
cause you a lot of problems. So if Lou
Dort can give me 12 points,
considering the amount of energy that I'm
asking him to exert to
try to keep Luka under control,
I can live with that. But you knew
Luka, we all knew,
Gil, in order for the Mavericks to win, Luka
had to be more efficient. He can't shoot
10 for 27.
He can't shoot 9 of 22.
He can't be like that.
He's too good.
And I thought tonight, I thought he did a great job of attacking.
He kept pressure on him.
12 of 22 from the floor, plus 50%.
Another 30-point triple-double.
5 of 11 from three.
That's the kind of effort that you need from him.
And then you got 12 points from Kyrie.
You got 19 from Derrick Jones Jr.
You got 10 from P.J. Washington.
Lively comes off the bench and gives you 11 also
and double-digit rebounds.
When you go on the road,
you need to have five or six guys in double figure
if you want to win a ball game.
Yeah, I think also Jason Kidd, you can't...
Well, I mean, not just Kidd, I'm sorry.
O.K. said you can't bring...
Dagnon. you can't bring...
Dagnab.
You can't change your lineup in the middle of the playoffs.
Yeah.
Right? People are not mentally prepared for that.
There's no way Giddy was prepared to come off the bench tonight.
Right? That's one of those,
we're in the middle of the playoffs, we got here this way.
You just can't spring it on me.
Mentally, that does something to a player.
Right? You play him, what, 12
minutes tonight?
Right?
You played him 12 minutes.
12 minutes. And he went
five of eight.
He played better than the starter you put
in from him.
Things like that, you can't do it.
Gil, when you say you can't do that
because the guy's not prepared mentally,
that strikes me as a panic move.
Because you're tied 2-2.
Now, if you're down, Gil, if you're down 2-1,
you're down 3-2, okay, all hands on deck.
But you're tied.
It's even serious.
And you're at home.
That strikes me as a panic move.
Anytime you do anything,
especially in this late in the playoffs,
it's going to put my
alarm bells up. And I think Jason Kidd said,
hold on. Man, y'all panic.
Y'all hadn't done a move like this all year.
Y'all the number one seed because
you've been steady. And all of a sudden
you're tied 2-2 coming back home
and you do this now if you're
down 3-2 and you're coming home i get it go ahead ocho i mean isn't there a reason that they had
isaiah joe start over over josh giddy is that some schematically or something some type of tactic
that they thought would help what better defensively or offensively but it just didn't pan
out the way it should because from an offensive standpoint shit isaiah joe only has six goddamn
points so what was the reason for starting him in the first place?
Well, I think because Gated was getting off to slow starts.
He wasn't giving you the kind of production that he gave you in the regular season.
I don't have his regular season numbers in front of me, but I just know his postseason numbers haven't been up to snuff.
And so they're saying, like, we need better production.
But that's not, I mean, you're counting on Isaiah Joe
to give you better production?
I mean, he's a guy that comes off the bench.
Because now you got to understand, Gil,
and I think we know, Ocho, we can speak to this in football.
It's one thing to be the third receiver.
And then you come in and you're going against the third or fourth corner.
It's another thing to be the number one or number two receiver.
And you're going against the number one or the number two corner.
So now Isaiah Joe is going against starters and not the backups.
So he's going against starters and not other role players.
So you're asking him to be what he hasn't been this season.
Now, who knows?
Down the road, he might be a guy.
But I agree with Gil.
That struck me as a panic move for the simple fact.
I'm looking at him like,
bro, it's 2-2.
This is not a situation where
you're, okay, I'm down 3-0.
I'm down 3-1. I'm down
3-2. Okay.
Hey, man, we can't lose another game
because, bro, if we lose another game, it's over.
But this?
And your home?
Like that's what I said. It's one of those things, man.
I've seen it kill players mentally before the game
where coaches are like, all right, look,
we're going to bring you off the bench tonight.
And just to see all the hope move out of his body,
like, okay, he's going to be useless now.
Now the guy you're bringing in, he doesn't lose nothing or gain nothing, right?
He's going to give you what he's going to give you.
What you just lost is you lost now production from one guy
because you took him from starting to the bench.
Well, you know, Giddy played well, but he could have did that as a starter.
He's 6'8", 6'9", with his shoes on, bigger guy.
He's more of your point guard for Shea to be the two.
See, they decided they want to bring in a shooter.
They wanted to bring in a shooter, a flat-out shooter that can spread.
Well, he's your point guard for Shea to do what Shea does.
Right.
But there's a reason Shea gets to play Shea to do what Shea does. Right. But there's a reason Shea gets to play Shea
because there's a guy out there
that's being unselfish
for everybody to play the way they're playing.
So you take him out of the starting lineup,
you start off slow as a team.
Forget him, right?
You know, the first couple games,
he's starting off slow,
but everybody else is playing well.
Now, the team is starting off slow. Right everybody else is playing well. Now, the team is
starting off slow. He played
well when he came in.
Yeah, and that's the thing, because when you got
Gideon, you got somebody else that can initiate
the offense instead of Shea.
Shea's going to be Shea, but
you need to give Shea a break.
You had him play. He played, what,
43 minutes tonight.
So you needed somebody because, really, look at Shea.
Shea had eight rebounds.
The next highest was Lou Dort.
Well.
But we've seen Giddy.
We know Giddy.
Giddy can get you a triple-double.
Yep.
So you needed somebody to take that load.
It just struck me as a panic move when I saw the switch in the lineup,
Isaiah Joe.
But I also, but if I'm not mistaken, I think they did this the other day too, Gil.
I think this is not the first.
I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think this happened in Dallas after they lost game three.
Because remember, the Mavs beat them game two.
They won game three.
And the head coach felt that he needed a little bit more production from his starters.
So I just, it's just hard.
When you, Gil, you weren't the number one seed.
You're the number one seed with the starting lineup.
Wait, OKC won game one.
Dallas won game two.
Dallas won game three.
So they lost game two.
They lost game three when they tried to.
Yes.
Stop. Just
stop. Just sit up.
Well, you know, sometimes we can't overthink
it. Go ahead, Ocho.
They got to stick with what we were. It worked during the regular
season. It got you to the point. There's a reason why
you were number one.
Stay with what you know.
But obviously, I guess the coach might have
been frustrated with not getting enough production
out of Giddy.
He felt maybe let's make a change in the middle of it.
If it had worked and they had won tonight,
then we'd be praising them.
But the fact that it didn't work,
and yep, it is what it is.
Now you got do or die.
Now you got do or die.
You're either going to force a game, what, seven, right?
You force a game seven, or you're going to Cancun, one or the other.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, but you look at the kind of production that he gave you with those 11 minutes.
And maybe, what if he gives you those in the beginning
and not when they're down like they were down, Gil?
Because, you know, you look at it like it had 11 points,
but what if he gives you those 11 points
in the first half where it's nipped
up, and you don't go
down 9, you don't go down 12,
you don't go down 18.
Like you said, it's easy to say
Ocho 9, hindsight, it's a
magnificent science, because you know
the outcome, having done
what you've done.
But, like you said, had it worked
out, everybody would have called him a genius and say,
see, now you know why he won coach of the year.
Right.
That facts.
3-2 series, they can pick number
one seed.
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For the third consecutive year and the sixth time
in the past eight years,
the Celtics have advanced
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Boston plays the winner
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Jason Tatum did a bit of everything.
25 points, 10 rebounds,
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threes. Al Horford,
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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You're supposed to take that cortisone shot, man.
You got to go ahead and take that cortisone.
Everybody ain't built the same, Gil. I mean, you, you're supposed to take that quarter zone shot, man. You got to go ahead and take that quarter zone. Everybody ain't built the same, Gil.
I mean, you, I'm taking it.
Damn the playoffs, I'm taking that shot in the regular season game.
So you know what I'm going to do to get into the playoffs
because you understand how few, ain't no guarantees.
Not with the playoffs.
I can see if a guy missed a regular season game
I'd be like damn bro
you know we only got 16 of these things
but a post season game
he ready to go
he's ready to go
he's like yeah y'all
yeah this vacation time man
without me, without Spider
y'all can't win this man
go
yeah and I get it I mean
Ocho we've seen it I mean guys
like you see some guys shooting up
taking tournals
shooting up ankles shooting up shoulders
shooting up elbows shooting up you know
everything you try to go out there
and play yeah I mean listen
and then you see some guys,
nah, man, I don't believe in them needles.
Yeah.
Hey, listen, it all...
Man, you smoke more weed than anything.
What that do with you and your love?
You talking about you don't believe in no needles.
Yeah.
It all come down to how much does it mean to you?
How important it is to you?
I'm sure at some point he's been injured before.
At some point he's taken the total,
whether it be the pill or whether it be the shot.
I just think mentally
he just wasn't there and he
wasn't taking it. For sure.
He was ready.
You can sense that in the games, man,
where when you're in the playoffs, you're down
three, two, three, one.
Listen,
I get to go home tomorrow.
I get to go on vacation tomorrow versus preparing,
then getting ready for Boston again on Friday or Saturday.
I can be on vacation.
Right.
And when you're in that game trying to figure out who's coming with you,
you can sense it just the way they come in the locker room.
No, he gone. He gone. He ain't here he come in the locker room. No, he gone.
He gone.
Yeah, he ain't doing it.
He out of here.
Right?
He out of here.
Hey, I accept everything
that come with it.
You know, hey, man, look.
The concussions,
I understand
what I was asked.
It's called
assumption of the wrist.
Yeah.
You go to the ballpark,
you expect the ball to fly up in the
stand so you need to pay attention so if you get hit you get hit in the head with a ball because
you eat the hot dog or drink a coke who you mad at right i understood so i was all the my my hips
my knees if i had a chance to do it all over again you know what i'm doing ocho i'm taking my black
ass right back out there and do it again right when i When I had an opportunity, you know, the disability,
when guys were taking advantage, that same thing that Big Baby was doing,
I said, bro, I don't want no part of that.
Right.
I said, bro, I knew what I was getting into.
They told me, say, you know, Shannon, long term.
I said, man, don't tell me nothing long term.
Hell, I ain't promised tomorrow.
I'm worried about today.
And if I see tomorrow, I'm like, damn, I probably shouldn't have did that.
Right.
But I'm good with it.
Once you advise me, I'm big boy now.
Because I throw all that away to make sure my family, my grandma, my kids,
that they got it.
I ain't even worried about me.
That thought never even crossed my mind, no joke.
Once I was in a situation that they were comfortable,
man, I'd take shots every game.
And I did.
93, 94, I was shooting on my ankles
down near every game. Damn.
Yeah, hell yeah. Man, I got to get
it up out there. My granny comfortable now.
I got air conditioned. And we ain't got
to dip water out the
washing machine. We ain't got to hang clothes
on the fence or the clothesline.
We got to wash and dry. Right.
Man, please. I wish I might.
Man, Gil. I wish I might.
Man, Gil.
What?
We got nice feet.
My grandma ain't got a bag.
Peas and okra and all that stuff and keeping them to deep freeze
and all that stuff.
Right.
Man, please.
Y'all got a lot of insurance money
when y'all retire?
Hell no.
What insurance money?
Like, you know,
like what they got in trouble for
with Big Baby
and some of the football players.
Nah. I mean, yeah, if you try
to scam the system and talk about you got disability,
but I ain't want no part of that, Gil.
Oh, yeah. I got about, what,
$500,000, $600,000
to use.
Nah.
I'm going to use my
$570,000.
Because I know I'm going to go limp at some point.
And I don't have money to get it back up.
I'm telling you.
I need my knees where my ankles are.
Gil, if they got it, I'm going to wait until I'm about 70.
So I'm going to get me some meat extension.
You got to be smart on this one
I'm gonna use my insurance for the right stuff
Yeah
What I'm gonna use it for at 36
Ocho
What I'm gonna use it for at 36
You right
Listen
I'm with you
I'm with you when you're right
I'm off
Look I got it
I got 10 to 90
I got all kind of stuff
I was like man
I got about
30 more years And I can go ahead and stuff. I was like, man, I got about 30 more years
and I can go ahead and dip in on this one.
Yeah.
No, but for me, the stuff, like certain things,
I'm just not built like that.
Yeah.
And for like, I'm very fortunate.
God really blessed me that I played 14 years.
I was able to take care of my money.
I went right to CBS, got a job,
left CBS, was out of CBS for two years,
went to Fox, stayed there for seven years.
And then we kind of started our own thing.
I had clubs, Shea Shea.
And then Ocho, you and I started our thing.
We brought Gil on.
And so now I'm back.
I got two days a week with First Take.
I'm good.
You know what I tell my kids?
My kids say, damn,
because they know I'm in the stock market.
They're like, damn, daddy, I guess you've lost some money today.
I say, no, I ain't losing no money.
Y'all lost money.
Daddy good.
That's y'all money that the stock market playing with.
Daddy good.
Yeah.
Y'all better hope the stock market keep going up.
Because daddy going to be OK.
That's y'all money.
Me, I'd rather see,
because I understand.
Ocho, you've been around.
You've seen the guys.
And I don't know how often
you go to the Super Bowl events.
But when I used to go
and I see the old guys
that played in the 50s,
the 60s, and 70s,
and I see how they get around,
man, I couldn't even get conscious.
Because I know there are guys that
try to get the insurance
and can't. And there's some
jackass over here trying to
defraud it.
Nah, I can't even get down with them like that, man.
I can't even take it. I don't need it. I'm good.
Like I said, I'll pay
it out of my pocket.
Y'all don't have just a car that has your
insurance on it. No, we got a car that has your insurance on it. No, we got
a car that just has money on it. That's
what they were using. Bro, no,
Gil, you get insurance
for five years
and you get to determine
when you use it. Use it, yeah. Also,
for me, I retired
at 35. So at the age
of 40, my insurance
through the NFL was done.
So all my kids, I'm paying
out of my pocket for me. I'm paying
out of my pockets for my kids.
But that's okay. I'm good. I can live
with that. I would rather do
that than to try to skimp
and somebody else
get turned down because
people like, and me, I'm trying to
defraud the system. I'm good.
Like I said, God bless me. That's just the way
I think.
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
I was out of NFL insurance at the age of
40, Gia. Oh yeah, nah.
Ours is, we die.
So our money
runs out. We don't have no time limit.
Y'all need to...
Five years after you're done
playing, that's it. It's a wrap. But you can take it.
No, you can take it whenever you want to.
So you can wait and say, okay.
Because think about it. If you play
five years, let's just say the average NFL
career is
three years. So a guy that
comes in the league at 22, he's done
at 25. So now he takes his
insurance from 25 to 30. Now
he lived to be 72. He got 42
years. He got to do pen pen for himself.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no.
And so that's what I got upset about
the players. I said, guys, y'all keep
talking about, oh, less practice,
less padded practice. Man, y'all
need to try to get some lifetime benefits.
Yeah. Because everybody ain't going to be making Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow money. What about them guys? Oh, Joe, you know, less padded practice man y'all need to try to get some lifetime benefits yeah because everybody
ain't gonna be making patrick mahomes and joe burrow money what about them oh cho you know
everybody they look at them guys like oh man man i get me a signing bonus okay that sounds good
because i remember them guys like that same bull job because when i first got to the league oh
there was no free agency yeah man and we were talking about i said man what about insurance
man you know i ain't never had no insurance before so hell. And man, and we were talking about it. I said, man, what about insurance, man? I ain't never had no insurance
before, so hell,
we had to pick and choose.
You had to have your head
damn near chopped out
before you went to the doctor.
Man,
you wasn't going to no doctor.
My grandma put some cobwebs
and some gauze on it
and you good to go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I remember having
a conversation with the guy
and said, guys, man,
we need to,
what about some lifetime benefit?
You know what the guy said? And there are a lot of prominent people that thought like this. Man, you give me a million with the guys, said, guys, man, we need to battle. What about some lifetime benefit? You know what the guy said?
And there are a lot of prominent people
that thought like this.
Man, you give me a million dollar
signing bonus,
I'll buy my own insurance.
Yeah, all right.
Okay?
Yeah, okay.
That sounded good at the time.
Yep.
Now them same,
hey,
now some of them same old folks,
oh, man,
man,
the NFL,
they do you wrong.
They didn't.
Because you said if they give you a million-dollar signing bonus,
because guys wasn't making money back then.
Nah.
Guys wasn't making money like that.
I mean, my guy in the league, I think John L.
was making like $2 million a year.
Ooh.
He got that.
I mean, and he was one of the five highest-paid players,
and they're making $2 million.
Man, you give me a million dollars a side,
bro, I'm straight.
I said, bro,
do y'all understand
how, like,
if you got a wife
and you got three kids,
million dollars,
whoo,
because you already know
how they live it, Ocho.
Ain't nobody living
like you grew up.
Out the door.
Out the door.
Man, I just,
like I said,
but I don't,
look, I said, Ocho, we different because i never wanted to go back to the situation that i was in i never wanted to
eat what i had to eat and so i'm willing to do anything to stay out of that situation you know
what i'm saying as far as help if i need to shoot up an ankle hey i shot up both shoulders i done
shot up ribs until i was like hey man that thing got too painful shoot up an ankle, hey, I shot up both shoulders. I done shot up ribs until I was like,
hey, man, that thing got too painful.
Shoot up the ribs, give it a thing.
I'm like, oh, no, I'm good.
I have to fight through it.
I'm going to fight through this one.
I mean, my shoulders, I couldn't even raise my arms.
I was like walking around like Frankenstein.
And they put that medicine in that Ocho,
I can do jumping jack.
Oh, yeah.
And then I remember I cracked back on Ronnie Lott. put that medicine in there, Ocho, I can do jumping jack.
And then I remember I cracked back on Ronnie
a lot. My whole body
seized up. I was out of that
thing in the third quarter, though.
Alright, guys. It's time
for our first segment of the night, and it's called
a News Cap.
News Cap.
J.J. Redick is reportedly
the early favorite to land the Lakers' head coaching
job. Mark Stein reported
the Lakers' job might be as well his
to lose in the interview process
as front office ramps up its search.
Redick does not have any coaching
experience. He's worked as an analyst
for ESPN and built a podcast network since his retirement from the NFL, excuse me, NFL, NBA in 2021.
While some expressed confusion at Reddick's desire for a head coaching role given his media success, he said his competitive drive is not being satisfied at the moment.
Gil, what you think?
at the moment.
Gil, what you think?
It's a great opportunity,
but it's short-lived.
If you just go on to coach just to put it on your resume,
do your thing.
But if you're talking about longevity
of coaching,
coaching the Lakers is not it.
No.
Coaching LeBronakers is not it. No. Coaching LeBron himself
is not it.
Remember, everybody who's coached LeBron
has been winners
because LeBron has been a winner.
So they've had winning records.
Everyone, Blade, Ty Lue.
Ty Lue won a championship.
LeBron left six games
later without LeBron. He got fired.
Fired. Six games later without LeBron he got fired fired six games later boom
right so you got you know
Luke Walton he had a winning record
I mean before he got there
you had Frank you know
he had a winning record won a championship he out of there
Luke had a boot O'Gill
remember how Luke went
39-4 with Golden State
they're like oh yeah he can go for real he can go for real Moodle, Gil. Remember how Luke went 39-4 with Golden State?
They're like, oh, yeah, he can go for real. He can go for real.
Then you got Darvin Hamm, who has a winning record, out of there.
So there's no longevity in this job.
So, you know, it's one of those things that you just want to put it on your resume.
I was a Lakers coach, and I can get another job after this.
If that's the play, then go ahead and do your thing.
If not, you wait for the right opportunity.
Yeah.
Coach, what do you think?
I mean, now that you say that, when you talk about the right opportunity, how many opportunities like this represent itself to coach a historic franchise, winning franchise like that, like
the LA Lakers?
When I think about players that have played that also coach using
football as an analogy, similar to that of Jeff Saturday, what can Jeff Saturday get out of those
players when he went to the Colts? A player's coach, a player that understands the players
as a coach. I think about the same thing with JJ Redick. What person or personnel could you add
as a coach for the Lakers that will get the most out of the players?
Someone that played the game, someone that understands the game,
someone that I think LeBron would want as a coach who understands what players are going through,
understands the stuff that they need to do game by game.
And I think it's a good look.
And when you say it's not a good look for him, he should wait for the right opportunity.
Well, this is, I think, an opportunity like this
probably won't present itself again
to be able to coach for a historic franchise like this.
So you got to take that job,
even if it is short-lived,
because I think J.J. Redick is one
that can get the most out of the players that are there.
Even though he has no experience,
you're bringing another coach that has experience.
Hell, his career there is going to
be short-lived as well just like everybody else so jj might as well just take it look here let's
be all the way one thousand with this thing this is like just like dating kim kardashian you already
know she's gonna break up with you but she's still kim kardashian that's still the laker job
that you know they're gonna fire your ass after two years. But guess what? They're still coaching the Lakers.
Yeah, you got to take it.
So, okay, I rolled a dime.
Hey, I got two years out of it.
Got me a couple of pad tacks.
Got me a Lambo truck.
You know what I'm saying? I went to the
Met Gala. Yeah, I did it up
big. Okay, I already know I'm going to get the boot.
That is what it is.
I think it's personal for me
because I was JJ's teammate
and I don't feel like killing him next year.
That's all, man.
I don't feel...
Because I got to do what I got to do. He's
the coach, so I got to kill a coach when they're
doing bad, but I try
to be easy on him. But he is
a good dude.
Very smart.
He works his tail off.
When we played in Orlando,
I've never seen someone outwork me. Well, in the
weight room, that was easy because I wasn't even trying to be
in it. But when it came to cardio,
JJ had put that thing on. He'd run
for five, ten miles.
He just put it on a treadmill and get to going.
Right?
So he was really fit.
And I just never understood, like, how do you just run like this?
That's what I do in the game.
I got to be in shape.
Right?
So he's a student.
So, you know, it would be a great opportunity.
I just don't want to kill him, and I don't want to see a good dude get fired.
Hey, you already know what it is.
I mean, you're going
with the Lakers.
I mean, Frank Vogel
won a title.
He came back
and I think they lost
in the second round.
And then he ended up
getting fired.
I mean, like I said,
there ain't no long term in it.
I mean, nah.
Like I said,
I mean, how do you turn
a job like that?
How do you say no to the Steel say no how do you say no to the
steelers how do you say no to the giants yeah how do you say no to the packers how do you say no to
one of these cornerstone franchises yeah okay how do you say no to the knicks how do you say no to
the celeste to the lakers you don't say no to those franchises yeah you already know what it
is if i don't win damn if i don't win I'll be up out of there oh well.
You made me say it because I don't say no to
hands so I know damn well I'm not saying
no to franchise.
You right
y'all right. Y'all got me. Y'all right on that one.
I better die.
Like he said the competition
I mean look what we try to do here is that we try to create, and Gil, you know, you have your own podcast, and I really appreciate Ocho and I, we appreciate you jumping on with us on Wednesday night.
But you try to create and produce the best content you possibly can.
Right. But it's not the same as like, I'm competing against, you know, the Boston Celtics or you're on the court and you're competing against another guy.
We try to create the best content we possibly can.
Are there a lot of people that do what we do?
Sure.
But I'm not in competition with them.
Our competition is ourself.
Can we do better than what we did the last show? Can we do better than what we did the last show?
Can we do better than what we did last week?
How do we reinvent ourselves?
You know, today I dropped the pod with Kel Mitchell.
And if you haven't seen it, go check it out on Club Shea Shea.
But we had a live performance to start it off and a live performance to close it out.
So I'm constantly, CJ and I, Ash and I,
we're constantly trying to come up with ways.
How do we get better?
We got to keep the pressure on
because just when you think I'm over here,
I ain't over there.
I'm over there.
Ah, man.
I mean, that's the thing.
Sometimes people get complacent with the success
and think that everybody else is like, it's just like a race, right?
Someone's chasing you, right?
So if you ain't turning it up or trying to turn it up, they're going to catch you at some point.
Yeah.
That's just life.
So you got to always try to reinvent, keep moving, because once someone sees you do something, they're going to do it.
Yeah. So you can be ready to do something else. So let them chase you versus they see you do something.
They try to tweak it, do it better. Now you chasing your own idea.
And that happens a lot. Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm just, look, I'm just a player.
I play, I don't care who the coach is.
You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
That's the way, hey, if I make it like some of these basketball players,
hell, y'all bring Sky Bree out there.
She can coach me.
I don't care nothing about that.
Hey, I got a job to do.
Now, some people might think like,
Shannon, what's your lowest?
Some of my lowest moments in my professional career,
two coaches got fired on my watch.
Dan Reeves got fired. Wade Phillips got
fired. And there are a lot of times that I ask myself, well, Shannon, had you become what you
later became, had you become that earlier, could you have saved those men their jobs?
Because each guy believed in me. Dan Reeves drafted me and told me, say, you're too big,
too fast, too strong not to make a living for you. Now, he didn't think I was going to turn
out to be what I became. And, you know, I used to talk to make a living for you. Now, he didn't think I was going to turn out to be what I became.
I used to talk to him before he passed, rest his soul,
Dan. He used to have a conversation. He'd say,
son, I didn't know you'd turn out to
be this, but I knew you could play
in the league. Wade Phillips went and hired
Jim Fossil, my first, my offensive coordinator,
rest his soul. And he put
his office in. He said, son, I'm going to
build an office around your skill set
behind number seven, which was Elway. You're the best player on this team and I'm going to build an offense around your skill set behind number seven, which was
Elway. You're the best player on this team
and I'm going to build an offense around you.
One of the first guys
that was a tight end
that had an offense built around him.
And those guys got fired on
my watch. And I went to bed
a minute late and I was like, I asked myself,
had I become what I later
became, had I been that
in year one, year two, year three,
could I have saved their job?
And so it irks me when I
see guys not busting their ass
or say stuff negative about the coach.
That irks me. It really does.
Damn.
But
man, people talking about
Sky
man go
ahead
on man
y'all see
I
y'all
y'all
I said
you know
who Sky
Bree is
don't you
Sky Bree
who that is
coach
yeah
yeah
you know
that
I do
it
I do it
hey Sky
I mean
who is that
who is that
help me out
you know
you know
I said she you know she look know, you know what I'm saying?
She, you know, she a little something, something.
You know, she might be famous for vertical activity that she good at.
Oh, she a hooper?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, a hooper.
Who she play for?
Who she play for?
Who she play for?
You know, she got a whole little thing, you know.
Huh?
You said y'all.
Man, y'all
need to stop, man. Y'all need to stop. Y'all be on
that bull jive, man. Hold on. Who she
play for? Who she play for? Who she play for?
You know, back in the day,
she could have been on my team.
She play for on her back.
Oh, so she play for on her back.
It might cost about 1500 right now
right now for 1500 oh oh oh oh she went oh she went there she went there okay okay okay y'all
y'all had me lost for a minute we talking basketball i'm talking about yeah yeah i'm
talking about a different kind of i'm talking now, she might be the Cola Jokic of her
sport. Of her profession?
Yeah, she that good. Yeah, baby.
Oh, she better than
Sarah J?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
I learned a little something. Hey, hold on.
Let me write that name down. Hold on.
Hey, also, don't you write that name down.
Hold on. I got to do my homework. I got to do my homework. Wait. Hold on. Don't you write that name down. Hold on. I got to
do my homework. I got to do my homework.
What's her name again?
Research Purposes. Sky Bree.
Sky Bree?
She sound like a hooper.
When you think about Sky, Sky Bree, that's a perfect
basketball name too.
You feel pretty good. You get a couple of baskets
on that one.
She passing balls.
The one you thinking, Ojo.
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
I'm going to check it out.
I'm going to check it out.
Man, what y'all be hiding?
Man, somebody told me, but I don't know, man.
Y'all must be thinking I'm some kind of pervert
or some kind of freak or something.
Hey, hey, hey.
She ain't just not no more. The Kobe of something. Hey, hey, hey. She ain't just...
Not no more.
The Kobe of it.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yo, yo, yo.
She's too tall.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Time out, time out, time out, time out.
I'm confused.
I'm confused.
How is this individual that good
and that experienced
and I know nothing about her?
And she look good, too.
I don't know.
I typed her name in. It started off
four guys. I'm like, damn.
She need a whole
team.
Y'all know how
I like my women.
It's one-on-one.
I'm all in the paint. I ain't doing nothing
but scoring in the paint. I ain't taking no joke.
Four at one time?
Yeah. See, there y'all go.
Hey, let's go ahead. We'll talk about Bronny
at the NBA Combine. Okay.
I know you want to play
one-on-one. You're going to be looking
like Rudy Goldberg.
Oh, no.
Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh.
Yeah.
So you already know.
So you go into a situation like that,
you already know.
Oh, Joe.
Yeah.
And I got that brush.
Hey, I done went to the Chinese shop
and got that brush on him.
So, hey, it's over.
Man, look here.
That be the longest scene over. Man, look here.
That'd be the longest scene in history.
Yeah. Hey, see,
now y'all got me.
I gotta... Hey, baby!
Look up Sky Bree.
Man, you about to get
the board. You about to get kicked out the house.
Oh, no. Oh, no. Hey, listen. We do our homework, man, and we try to find man you about to get the board you about to get kicked out the house oh no oh no
hey listen we do our homework
man and we try to find
we watch stuff like watching film
and we figure out things that we can
actually do and bring home to the bedroom
so hey we open like that
ain't no problem
so we gonna study some of Sky Bree
film tonight
yeah Sky Bree
she better than Bella Donna So we're going to study some of Sky Bree's film tonight. Yeah, Sky Bree.
Yeah, she better than Bella Donna.
She better than Bella Donna.
Bella who?
Don't do it. Don't do it.
That's another name? Hold on.
Yeah, but she's a little older.
Bella Donna?
Yeah. Bella Donna? Yeah.
Bella Donna.
She about 50-something, man.
Oh, she still in action at 50-something?
Yeah.
Nah, I hope not.
It's more controlled.
It's more 2020 by herself.
Okay, okay, okay.
I used to see you run up and down. All this one-on-one by yourself. Yeah, okay, okay. But I used to see, I used to see you run up and down.
All this one-on-one,
by yourself,
all that.
Yeah, that's what I like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's me.
That's me, Gil.
That's me.
That's me.
Yeah, that's me.
I like, I like this.
See this,
hey, that's why I like Nightcap
because this shit is so informative.
It's so informative
because y'all might improve
certain areas of my life,
you know,
not even knowing me.
Not even knowing you improve certain areas of my life, you know, not even knowingly. Not even knowing you improve certain areas of my life
by bringing attention to things
that I've never seen before that I can use
at home and improve in certain areas.
Like, that's why I fucking love this shit.
You know, ain't nothing like him.
You know, you catch the right one out there, don't you?
Listen,
he in the vintage mode.
Like, I know these
names because I was 10, 11, you know, with the
squiggly line, right? But when the TV
had a squiggly line, and you might
see the poles, and you might see
something, that's how I know those names.
Ah, okay, okay,
okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, you know. Back in the day, you know what I'm saying?
You know, back in the day, I don't, I don't.
Mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
I got to say, you know, I got to say, I got to say,
I ain't got but like probably a thousand left in me.
You know what I'm saying?
I can't, I can't use them all up looking at, huh?
You know what I'm saying?
I ain't got but a thousand left. I ain't got but a thousand left.
I ain't got but a thousand.
I got insurance.
You know, I got a thousand.
I got to save you.
I got to spread them out.
I can't be watching.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I like that.
That's why I say when I'm home, I don't do a whole lot of talking.
I only got so many breaths left.
Right, right, right. Ain't got time to be wasting time talking at home when I'm home, I don't do a whole lot of talking. I only got so many breaths left. Right, right, right.
I ain't got time to be wasting time talking at home.
I'm quiet.
You know, I can't be looking at no magazines and watching no television.
Only got so many left for your boy.
I know that.
Ronnie James at the NBA combine today, he had a team high 13 points
on a 4-10 shooting.
23 minutes. LeBron was in attendance
along with his lovely wife Savannah
and general manager Rob Palenka.
Ronnie also compared his game
to players like Holiday, Davion Mitchell,
Derek White. Says he wants to
impact winning that way.
Gil, you watched the last
two days of Ronnie. You saw the shooting clinic
that he had from the three-point
line. What do you like
and what do you think his ceiling is?
Excuse me. What do you think
Junior,
what can he be?
You know what? The people
he named, that's exactly where his
game is right now, right?
The Marcus Smarts,
Eric, was it Eric Gordon?
Yeah.
That's the type of player
he is right now
on how he plays the game.
But he did punch
in a 40.5.
He do have a 6-7
wingspan. So he can
be a little bit better than those guys.
Right now, I like that he's in tune with his game.
He doesn't have these expectations that the rest of the world have on him.
Oh, I'll be John Moran.
Yeah.
I'm not John Moran.
I'm not Westbrook.
This is who I am, right?
I hit quality shots, right?
I take the right shot.
I play the game the right way.
You know, if I got to, like, what we complain about LeBron
when he makes the right play,
that's who Bronny is.
That's the game LeBronny fell in love
with from his daddy, that I
make the right play. If I only
take three shots and we won by
30, that's what it was.
I've watched him in high school. I've watched him in
AAU, and he's had
monster teams,
and he gave them
the ball.
The kid has a
40.5-inch vertical. He can shoot lights out.
He can pass. He can be selfish
and take 35 shots. He just
doesn't like to play the game that way.
His comparable of
who he wants to be like
and who his game is, is perfect.
You can find that guy at 17 to early second round.
Yeah.
What'd you think, Ocho?
I mean, I like it.
I like it.
Obviously being very humble,
being very humble with his comparisons. But the thing about it, with those comparisons, he can continue to improve his game in many areas. He can continue to improve his game in many areas, except especially like what Gil said. He makes the right passes. He takes the right shots. He doesn't force anything. And obviously, he's like his dad in a sense as far as being a facilitator first. And the shots come he'll take them he doesn't force him but again he can improve i'm not saying he's going to be a russell
westbrook or he's going to be a john marant but he can continue to improve and his ceiling can
increase way more than what we think it should be and as far as the expectations from the outside
world and all the noise coming from them because who your father is and the expectations, the fact that he's ignoring
that, and I'm sure his dad has him
well-groomed and ready to be able to
ignore that and to really make
a name for himself and just improve his
game as the years go by.
I think he's going to be all right,
especially with the way he looks today. He looked really good today.
He did. Athletic.
But like you said, I mean, he has
realistic expectations. Everybody come here, oh, I'm going to be
LeBron. I'm going to be the next Kobe. I'm going to be the next
Kevin Durant. Man, stop.
Hopefully you don't get
sent down to the G League.
You know what the best part about this is?
What's that?
He's playing.
He's playing.
Normally, the high level kids
I know some of those kids that are in the draft
like the Saar, the Rob
they're not in
Chicago playing
right so the fact that
he is not a skater
to go against the competition
that's there like for some people
they're scared because you go there
and you get embarrassed, you lose your stock.
He's trying to build his stock to show you, look, I can play.
Like put me in an environment.
This is not college.
I've worked on my game and here to show what I can do.
I'm not ducking any smoke.
So the fact that he's out here, his dad didn't play in Chicago.
Anybody in the first round
usually don't play in Chicago
in the last couple years, right?
Think about the high-level guys you've
heard of that got drafted. You've never
seen tape on them playing.
So the fact that he's out there saying,
I'm not scared of anything, I'm out
here playing, look at me now.
It shows you that he's calling the shots
because if this was LeBron,
LeBron would be like,
hey, just work out by yourself.
Right?
Let's work out by yourself.
We're going to protect your image a little bit.
He's like, no, no, let me go out there
and show I can play with these guys.
Right.
I ain't talking.
It's kind of like, Ocho, you know,
I got some guys like,
man, I ain't doing nothing to the combat. I'm Ocho you know I got some guys like man I ain't
doing nothing to the
combine
I'm gonna wait
till I get to it
my environment
get my quarterbacks
gonna throw me the
balls or my receivers
gonna catch the ball
right
I'm gonna be at my
pro day and then you
get some guys like
I don't give a damn
because I'm not gonna
always play in my
home stadium
I'm gonna be on the
road I'm gonna be
throwing a different
receiver so I might
as well go and show
you that I ain't
ducking no smoke. Right.
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