Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to 49ers beating Aaron Rodgers & Jets, Tyreek body cam footage released

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets taking on Brock Purdy and the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football and the release of the police bodyca...m footage in the detainment of Miami Dolphins star Tyreek Hill.03:10 - SHOW STARTS06:00 - 49ers beat Jets36:20 - Tyreek Body Cam56:50 - Watson sexual assault(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:41 he's your favorite number 85, the route road extraordinaire, the bingo ring of fame honoree, the legendary, the pro bowler, the all pro Liberty City's own, that's Chad Ocho Cico Johnson. Thank you for joining us. We really greatly, greatly appreciate that. Appreciate that, appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Listen, I'm late. I'm late again, but this time, this time I had to do number two. I had to do number two. So I'm not sure if that is a good excuse for being a little late. I'm just trying to figure out, help me out with this. Yes, sir. So right, like right before you had to come on to like, you know what? I'm on. You ain't have to do it like 10 minutes ago, 15 minutes ago, even five minutes ago. Like soon as I get ready to hit this, they're counting us down. You're like, hold on. You ain't have to do it like 10 minutes ago, 15 minutes ago, even five minutes ago. Like soon as I get ready to hit this, they're counting us down. You're like, hold on.
Starting point is 00:06:29 It wasn't me. Listen, I understand the importance of the show. I know where we're going. I know we're headed. We're going to be like the Temptations. Now I know sometimes I act like Eddie. But you have to understand when I sat down I had a little turtle head. Oh Lord. Yeah. So when you have a little turtle head, you know, you can't play with God's creation. So I had to go, I had to get that out. So I ain't do it all the way.
Starting point is 00:06:54 I just went halfway. So I still got some left in me, but I'm gonna finish the show. Yeah. I mean, the people knew you was probably full of caca. So they not surprised. They not surprised you only pinched half of it off. My grandma used to tell me I was full of shit all the time. Yeah, they don't surprise you pinch half a lofa.
Starting point is 00:07:12 You ain't get the whole lofa. Oh, so the game that we just watched, the 49ers drug, the Jess 32 13, they spoil Air Rogers return. He was able to play a full night. Even though Christian McCaffrey, see Mac was ruled out before the game with Achilles and calf injury. Adam Shepter says there's a real chance McCaffrey doesn't play next week,
Starting point is 00:07:34 next week against the Vikings. Oh, Joe, watch this game. The 49ers of all the teams that we saw play, the 49ers for me were the most impressive because I think the just defense is going to be really really good now the offense hey I think they'll get it going brief hall when he's forming that ball early in the game oh it kind of gave kind of took a lot some of the steam out of it but yeah the 49ers the way they can run the football the way purdy was throwing the ball he had some drops in there too yeah he had some drops in there you dropped the touchdown right before the half
Starting point is 00:08:02 Two. Yeah. He had some drops in there. You dropped the touchdown right before the half. But listen, he dropped. He dropped two big ones. He did. He dropped two big one. I think one of the problems, obviously, remember when Jamar Chase, I hate to hate to remember Jamar Chase went into the preseason and dropped ball at the ball at the ball. Yes, yes. And then had a historic season once it came.
Starting point is 00:08:22 I think you could probably has to get acclimated to the ball game speed, game tempo. This is why I tell you preseason is so important. When you when you miss that, when you miss those times, you get acclimated to the ball. And listen, that would have obviously it would have made a difference in the game. But I'm more impressed with the gist. I'm more impressed with the gist because watching
Starting point is 00:08:43 Ambrose move the team up and down the field with a few drops, a few penalties that back them up a little bit. They look promising to me. It looked promising to me. I know somebody will say, well, damn, they only score seven points. Well, damn, they only score 14 points. I'm saying how the offense look as opposed to how they used to. Again, they're going against the top NFC team.
Starting point is 00:09:04 They're going against the top NFC team. You take away some of them drops. You take away some of those penalties. It's a different game. Now the 49ers still might've won, but what I saw from the just night was promising, promising. If you're just fan, you should be happy. I know, I know it's a loss, but you got something to build off, build off of. I agree with you, Ocho. Um, that's not an easy offense to defend. And I know, you know, you're looking at where they got no Christian McCaffrey. The one thing I can tell you about this offense,
Starting point is 00:09:34 cause I spent the majority of my career in this office, Ocho. And I can tell you cause I played for Kyle's father, Mike. And if you, they kept highlighting Bobby Turner, he's the running back coach. He's the running, the run game coordinator. And if you, they kept highlighting Bobby Turner, he's the running back coach. He's the running, the run game coordinator. And if you notice, could you tell Kristin McCaffrey wasn't in the game? If you look at, you look at Denver, you look at, we had TD, we had Orlando's Gary, we had Mike Anderson, we had Clint Porter's, we have Ruben drones in that zone running scheme, you get one cut.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Yeah. You started, you run hand up. We run hand off strong, hand off weak, toss strong, toss weak. You get one cut. Ain't no, if you notice, ain't no dancing. No running back in that system. Dance. You get one cut and you come downhill downhill.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Yeah. And if you notice it doesn't, you look, Kristen McCaffrey tends it to another level. But if you look at the guys you look Christian McCaffrey tests it to another level But if you look at the guys that would in that office TD six round draft pick Orlando's Gary six round draft pick Mike Anderson third round draft pick Ruben drones a late round Mid-round draft pick Clinton Porter's was a second round draft pick So you don't need to have all you got to do is follow instructions They're gonna start it one way
Starting point is 00:10:42 Yeah, because eight hit your head on the goalpost, son. And the wide receiver do a great job. IU blocking downfield, Devo blocking downfield, Jennings blocking downfield. Hell, Kittle is a second, is a second offensive lineman. He's blocking. Think about it. They got a big run. They call it back. They withhold it. Get another touchdown run. They call it back with hold it. They go right back down the field and that same drive, running right back down your throat. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:11:09 I mean, Jeff defense don't look like a defense that we saw last year, but I'm sure they will get it together. I don't know what happened to sauce. I think sauce subluxes shoulder. I want to know he's with, with a, with Debo. Yeah. I know that look.
Starting point is 00:11:23 I know that look when you hold your head. I think he hit, yeah, I think it was Debo that he got his shoulder, you gotta be careful. He hit that shoulder. Yeah. And the thing is, when you play the 49ers, you gotta out physical to them. Cause that's one thing that Kyle Shanahan
Starting point is 00:11:38 he got from his daddy, we gonna come out there and we gonna put hats on, we gonna be physical. Now if you beat us, you are more physical to them. It ain't gonna. See, you gotta earn it. You gotta earn it. The thing is, a lot of times when people looked at the West coast, they automatically assumed because the alignment was undersized. Oh, they're for the next team. Yeah. Yeah. That was your first mistake. You better, hey, we dropping D's in the dirt. We coming. Yeah, but you know what else could happen? Now, if you watch the game chat, if y'all listening, if you watch the game tonight, you can see when they did play action, they ran the ball so well when they did play action
Starting point is 00:12:14 ball. Guys wide open. Not only were they wide open, but Brock Purdy was sitting back there with a cigar. Yes. He done went through his read twice. Yes. I can go from one to three and come back to want to see if one is open. So what I think the Jess need to do also to continue to complement that defense so you
Starting point is 00:12:32 can get back to the top three defense that you were last year. We need to get brother Hassan ready in the goddamn door. I would think we need to get brother Hassan whatever you need to do. You need all hands on deck. If you're serious about turning the franchise around, yeah. Allowing it to be a winning culture and actually competing in the goddamn AFC East with the Beals and the goddamn Dolphins. The problem that they made, Ocho, you know, the guy's disgruntled.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Yeah. He wanted contract. Yeah. You, it wasn't a change of scenery. He wanted money. So you thought that oh he don't like being in Philly. We're going to bring him to New York but we're not going to give him no money. Listen, they they probably you know what they probably did. You know how this business work. But they probably probably because they even discussed before he even came understanding that listen I want to be
Starting point is 00:13:24 paid by the Eagles based on my production. The past few years, the Eagles said, you know what? We not going to do that. We gonna let you go somewhere else. So I'm sure the jets knew brother, Woody Johnson. I got that name right. Woody Johnson, right? Yeah. I'm sure Mr. Johnson understood that song. Redick was agreeing to come there because he was on the assumption he was going to get a contract. Yeah. What, yeah what he knew that you understood that this is the games they play this is the business that they play you understand how how good Hassan Reddick
Starting point is 00:13:54 is and what he can do for that defense and amplifying it even more than it was last year he should have been in yeah looking looking at the defense tonight and brought Purdy back there sitting sent back there, listened to Frank Sinatra, pattern has got damn, pattern got the ball. Just make it happen. Just effing off with the football. He just like, Hey, and I thought he made one mistake. He almost got it picked. All they had to do was take the full, but all they had to do is take 24 to flat.
Starting point is 00:14:19 When you threw the seam route and Adam, I think it's Adam's got his hands on the ball. Yep. The running back wide open in the flat. All they had to do is take the flat and they go get a first down and it will keep the chains moving. Moving. Yeah, but that's the thing you got to look. You see what the 49 you can tell team serious about winning. I will say this.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Jerry got the deal done. You see what he did with that? Oh, yeah. See, we did with CD. You see the 49ers there? They got big trends. Tristan, I ain't coming. Are you saying, hey? Oh, you see what he did with CD? You see what the 49ers did? They got big Trent. Trent's not coming. Are you saying, hey, listen, you know what? Hey, we got a Super Bowl to win. And we're not winning the Super Bowl without those guys.
Starting point is 00:14:53 Yeah. Yeah. You got to be if you can't listen, if you can't pressure the quarterback, Ocho, you can't win in this league. At all. At all. The quarterbacks are too good. The quarterbacks are too good. If you don't if you don't put him under the rest Mm-hmm make them care if it's one
Starting point is 00:15:08 I don't care if it's 32 if you don't put that quarterback under the rest 32 will look like number one. Yeah Well, definitely you got to make it uncomfortable The best way you can and one way for just to do that and to pick up what he left off from a defensive standpoint You got to bring the sound right again or what they do, whatever they do have in the building right now got to come up. They got to come up. They got to show up. They got to show up shit. And because you look at the court, you got Reed, you got, um, sauce. So you got guys and sometimes you just need just that extra step. Just like, okay, they held this thing up.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Now you gotta get there. One thousand one. Hey guys, all I need is one thousand three. One thousand three, we on his ass. But, and you know what? That's another problem. Not only that, as good as Sauce Garden is, as good as DJ Reed is, how good are you
Starting point is 00:16:00 if you got a couple of somebody for goddamn eight seconds? Oh, you ain't coming no matter what. I don't care who it is. I don't care who it is. No, you ain't coming to that long. I don't care who it is. I don't care who it is. You ain't coming to the guys. And that's the thing, Ocho, that guy back there, he back there, pretty back there doing this. Man, chilling.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Man, listen, I saw a few times. He dropped back, looked at his first target, his primary target. He went one, went to two, went the three and came all the way back, it was still patting the ball. Yes. Yes. Man, what he Johnson should be on the phone right now. That song, reddit, his agent, I don't know what his agent is. Let's see. They need to, they got to get something done. But the 49ers look really, really good tonight. They ran the football, Mason.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Nobody had ever heard of this kid. Yeah, just like nobody had ever heard of Terrell Davis. Nobody had ever heard of Orlando's Gary or Mike Anderson. Those guys, Ruben Jones. And as a matter of fact, Ruben Jones got cut in Detroit. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, they might have cut it. They might have. I think he said they cut him on September 9.
Starting point is 00:17:04 11. I think that's what I think. I think he said they cut him on 9-11. I think that's what he said. Damn. But this kid ran the ball exceptionally well. And you see the dimension that Deebo brings. You can hand it to him in the backfield. You can pitch it to him. You can swing it to him.
Starting point is 00:17:20 He can get downfield. You see him catch a pass, spin up out of the tackle, get an addition, additional. The one thing, the one thing that you must be able to do in this offense, you rack, you got to run after the catch Ocho because a lot of stuff is, a lot of stuff is shallow. You cut it a lot of bubble screens, you catch it a lot of shallow crosses. You're not, I mean, they'll push the ball down the field occasionally, but you've got to be able to run after the catch. That's what makes it so unique. That's what makes this offense so good. You take a five-yard route and you turn into a 25 or 50-yard spectacular. I got a question. Yes. How big is Deebo Samuels?
Starting point is 00:17:56 You seen him in person before? I have. How the hell he be playing running back like that? Like I'm talking about this is a routine. He built like a running Like I'm talking about this is like a running back. He what? He built like a running back from way down. You know, like like running backs normally they're like from waist down. Like like like Malik neighbors. If you look at Manique Labors, he's not elongated. He's not long and lanky like a lot of receivers are. You look at Garrett Wilson, you look at a lobby, you look at a lot of these
Starting point is 00:18:24 receiver that's six foot, he's compact. And if you look at his frame, you can, it explains why he runs out of a lot of tackles, why he's so physical, and how you think he got the name Deebo? Okay, okay, okay. Hey, I'm looking like, man, he really, he really, I'm talking about out the backfield,
Starting point is 00:18:44 stretch, dive. Yes. Yes. Can you imagine Debo playing during our era with Ray Lewis and Erlich and all them talking about coming down here through the A-Gap? That break, man. Yeah, all right. And I was amazed. I'm like, damn. And then he's strong. The first person to tackle him or at the point of contact, he never falls.
Starting point is 00:19:08 You know, you got you got a break. You got a break. Your legs with you to get him down and normally is going to take more than a single individual unless you know, you talk about a D tackle, you talk about a linebacker, but safety is in corners. You got the handful trying to bring Deebo down. Man, that's crazy. And he runs with such physicality. You know, he runs angry, he runs like Tio,
Starting point is 00:19:32 he runs like Julio. My brother used to play like that. Anquan Bowden played like that. Like that, yeah. Physical guys, now Tio and Julio were tall. My brother was like six foot tall. Q was like six foot tall, but they were built like running backs. Yeah. And so they tried to run through you and they'll fit.
Starting point is 00:19:53 They were physical and they played the game physical. Oh, Joe Brock, pretty pass distribution. Jennings had five catches. Debo five catches. Kittle five catches. You shake two catches. Are you two catches? he had two drops also. One catch, amazing one catch. Mistake, free performance.
Starting point is 00:20:09 I mean, think about it, he had like three or four drops, Ocho. So this could have been a 22 or 23 or 29 for a pretty close to like 270. Easily, easily. New from Embedded. Who gets to compete as a woman? Easily. Easily. New from Embedded. Who gets to compete as a woman?
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Starting point is 00:24:33 Did you and I were talking about this earlier by you I just Like guys like man, I don't need no training I need a training camp and I wanted to play in the preseason idea now everybody hey The guys now I get it now guys, you know They do OTAs and they do all the stuff and they catch, but I needed to be in the game and I need to get my eyes to refocus on playing, playing through contact, playing under, picking up the ball. Cause I'm trying to pick up the ball out of the quarterback's hand, trying to make sure I snap my head around because I don't want to get lazy with my head.
Starting point is 00:25:00 I don't want to get lazy with my eyes. I don't want to get lazy with my hands. People think you catch with your hands, you catch with your eyes and you don't want to get lazy with my eyes. I don't want to get lazy with my hands. People think you catch with your hands, you catch with your eyes. And you don't want to get lazy with them. And a lot of times, you know, it takes you a while to get back into the rhythm of things, Lucho, and get my spidey senses. I need my spidey senses to tingly like, OK, this is the coverage. OK, this is where danger is to know that, to feel that, to be able to sense that.
Starting point is 00:25:22 I needed it. Now, clearly, these guys say, well, I don't need it or they don't want it or maybe the owners and don't want to run the risk of getting players hurt. But hell, you playing an inherently dangerous game. Yeah. Oh, man, I don't want to have no accident. But you drive every day 30 miles. I mean, how? Unless you teleport yourself there, there's a chance you're going to have an accident.
Starting point is 00:25:46 And it might not even be your fault. Yeah. I mean, listen, you can't even play the game of football with that type of mentality. You just can't because what's for you is for you and what's going to happen to you is going to happen to you no matter what you do. No matter how cautious you are. I mean, just just go out there and play. You go out there and play. That's it. That's it. And the only reason Brandon dropped the damn ball is I'm telling you, like you said, I'm Spidey senses getting acclimated, not only to game tempo, but having someone pulling and tugging on you
Starting point is 00:26:19 and being able to being able to track the ball through arms, through just all all type of stuff, the lights, just all that comes into account. And that's what the preseason does for you. If you look at the Ocho, when the ball, what'd he do? When the ball hit his head, he closed his eyes. I've never seen that before. Normally guys, normally you track the ball, Ocho. I'm tracking, I'm tracking.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Yeah, and look at it. I look it in. You know, if I lay out for the ball, I'm tracking, I'm tracking. Yeah, look at it. You know, if I lay out for the ball. I look it in, he closed his eyes. I'm like, well, damn, that's that's new. Yeah. But a pretty through that ball perfect. I mean, he couldn't throw it. He basically walked it to it. You can't throw you can't throw a better path.
Starting point is 00:27:01 You can't throw a better ball than what pretty put the ball in our youth hand. And I you keep dropping, I'm sure he'd love to have that one back. Jeff Holdout, Hassan Reddick, will forfeit a game check of nearly 800000 for missing tonight's regular season open against the 49ers and an additional 800000 for each of the games he subsequently misses. This is on top of the five million NFL mandated fine that he's already accumulated. So he got no choice but to stay out. he subsequently misses. This is on top of the 5 million NFL mandated fine
Starting point is 00:27:25 that he's already accumulated. So he ain't got no choice but to stay out. Cause if he comes back, he's already accumulated $5 million fine that the Jets can't forgive. You remember Ocho in the old days, they can tease him like, okay, I'm gonna forgive those fines.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Come on in, we'll get the contract done. Only if you're a rookie, can they forgive on a rookie contract, can they forgive those fines. Come on in, we'll get the contract done. Only if you're a rookie, can they forget on a rookie contract, can they forgive those fines. So damn, now he like, bro, I'm about to go ahead and sit this one down, cause. Well, so hold on. How do you rectify this situation, man?
Starting point is 00:27:56 So really that five million already gone. You might as well just chalk that up. Right that up. So if I'm looking at it correctly, so he's making eight, so he's like almost 800,000 So let's just say 800,000 a game times 10. That's 8 million dollars, right? So plus we factor in another seven games and 800,000. That's 56, right? So that's he's making up so he's on about
Starting point is 00:28:19 15.6 million. Hmm if we do it if we do it 800,000, so now take this out Oh Joe six million if we do it if we do it 800,000. So now take this out, Ocho. I've got to come in at half the season and play for free. Or I don't get credit for the credit of the season. So I got to play half the game. So I did it. I did this thing. But if he comes in, Ocho, he planned for free. Yeah. Well, by the time he gets the game, that's six hundred and forty thousand.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Right. No, hell no.640,000. Right. No, hell no, that's 6.4 million. Hey, listen, I mean, he... For five million, so that's 11.4 million. So he damn near playing for free. Some got to give. Somebody, some got to give. Can they cut him and allow somebody else to pick him up?
Starting point is 00:29:05 Hell nah, they don't give a drape, they can. Sure you could, but you gave him a drape pick to get it. Well if you gave him a drape pick to get him, what the, I mean, you know what, see, this, this, this, this, this the part. But again, owners don't want to set a precedent. You think you're going to bully us in the pan, you? Nah, you sit there because we don't land our pockets either way. We're going to be good anyway.
Starting point is 00:29:33 But then, you know, sometimes the thing, oh, joke again, stand on business, even if I don't even if I don't open the stadium, right, even if I don't say no, not one fan show up. Yeah. don't open the stadium, right? Even if I don't say no, not one fan show up. Yeah. The end of the TV deal is going to pay me three hundred million of rip. Now, OK, I the games I put seventy five, eighty thousand concession. I got parking. I got merchandise.
Starting point is 00:29:58 I got local TV. Right. And I got advertisers and sponsors. So. It's a dirty game, but. It's a dirty game. So if I, if I get 300 million on Joe, if I get 300 million and the salary cap is what? 275, 255, that's 45 million. I'm clear. That's if I don't sell no merchandise. That's if I don't do it. Nobody comes to my game. That's if I don't get local broadcasted. That's if I don't sell no merchandise. That's if I don't do it. Nobody comes to my game. That's if I don't get local broadcasted.
Starting point is 00:30:27 That's if I don't get any local sponsors. You know, somebody that stadium named after somebody Mercedes Benz or FedEx or whatever the case may be. Somebody's paying somewhere between 10 and $25 million a year to put their name on your stadium. Yeah. And you got the local affiliate that's paying money. And here's the kicker, Ocho, what people don't realize.
Starting point is 00:30:48 Let me help y'all do some games. Do y'all realize that every time a network, every time ESPN shows a clip, they had to pay for that. On top of the 2.5, 2.7 billion that they already paid, anytime they show a clip of anything NFL, the NBA is the same thing, MLB is the same way. Do you know they got to pay for that? And it ain't cheap. No. Listen to what I'm saying. Fox pays about $1.9 billion. ESPN pays about 2.2. CBS the same thing. So now I've already paid that
Starting point is 00:31:23 if when they show highlights, like when I come on with Stephen A and we show a highlight and somebody scored a touchdown or somebody getting a pick six, the network has to pay extra just to show those highlights. That's why we can't show you the highlights. We love to. But I'll be working for free. Oh, so and I be working for free. So dirty game. So the NFL, if you notice NFL, don't write a whole lot of checks. The NFL, like the R.S., they have money coming in.
Starting point is 00:31:54 They don't really have a whole lot going out. Always collected. So. Yeah. And I look, I got a a lot of what I mean, I put my kids through college. I just care my family because the NFL and I'm I don't got the a a lot of what I mean I put my kids through college I took care of my family cuz the NFL and I'm not trying to look I'm not trying to damp her I'm just trying to enlighten you enlighten the fans or let them know how this thing work Yeah, I mean we would love to show we would oh Joe And I would love to show you highlights so we can break it down and say this is what happens
Starting point is 00:32:22 but I Think is how much is how I think it's how much, how much you did for like 11 minutes? Like, it's like, I think like, probably like, for one minute, one minute is six figures. One minute, one minute is six figures. One minute. So if we showed you, if we showed you three highlights and they ran a minute, it's already in the six figures.
Starting point is 00:32:53 That's week one. How many highlights does ESPN show? How many highlights does your local affiliate show? Woo! Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I'm sorry, guys. You could just have to take Ocho and I talking about it, because we ain't going to show you the highlights. We ain't never going to be in no position where we can show you highlights, because we ain't got it like that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't say that now.
Starting point is 00:33:27 You never know. No, but they watch the game, little Joe. That's useless money. We're not finna spend $20 million to show some highlights. We're not. I'm sure we'd rather have that money in our pockets. Hey, okay. I like how I can hear that.
Starting point is 00:33:41 I'm just for some odd forsaken reason. Let's say I hit the goddamn lotto or the Megan Mans. And I get some absurd amount of cash. I wouldn't even let you do it. I mean, I think the people would like it though. No, Ocho, the people, the people like us for what we are, how we do things. We're not, we're not a highlight show.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I mean, sure, I would, we would love to, but it really doesn't make sense for us. And if it doesn't make dollars, it doesn't make sense. And so let's be, we go be. You told me we need to think big, right? So I'm thinking big. We could actually ESPN and be their competitor. Huh? Not coming on, not coming on two nights, not coming on four nights a week, two hours a night, we challenge no ESPN. Hell nah. Nah, nah, ay, nah, you know, ay, tell it. I mean, hell, God, we we get it when we get it. Yeah. Hey, man, what what? Yeah. The
Starting point is 00:34:51 hell if I know. Hell, hell, I might be with you, Ocho. Let me win a billion dollars. Hell, I might be late too. I might be late too. I might be late too. I might be late too. I might be with you, Ocho. Let me win a billion dollars. Hell, I might be late too. Bad, please.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Uh-uh. Yeah, Bad. Ocho, check this out. According to Next next gen stats, Trent Williams did not allow a single pressure tonight in 33 pass blocking attempts. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it.
Starting point is 00:35:48 I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it.
Starting point is 00:36:04 I'm not gonna do it. Yeah, I'm locked in. Let's go Let go of that you win the lottery lock it in And don't tell it where you were real go be bad, please. Oh you fool it I Promise you if I win a lottery, I'm gonna be on time You say a hundred thousand for a minute. I say six figure. I ain't just say 100,000. You start, I don't know why you put that figure there. Oh shit. That was funny.
Starting point is 00:36:35 But this is why, when he held out and says, I'm not coming, this is why you pay Big Trent. They understood. He's the best lineman in football. Yeah. And you could always rip Rodney. You could always slide the protection away and say Trent, you got the best.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Yeah. That's a great luxury to have. I played with two guys. I played with Gary Zimmerman, left tackle. He was a two time all decade, eighties and nineties. I played with Jonathan Ogdenden six foot eight and a half 345 pounds. No, we always find away from jail jail. You got whoever you got Uh, it's a great luxury to have you don't have to ask nobody to chip
Starting point is 00:37:19 You ain't got to ask nobody to a chip your way out. You ain't got to leave the tight end in You ain't got to ask nobody to chip your way out. You ain't got to leave the tight end in. Trent lock it down. Every time. He gonna lock it down. He's an unbeliever. He's going to the hall of fame. He's gonna be a first ballot.
Starting point is 00:37:33 He's that good. And if I'm not mistaken, hell, he and Big Lane Johnson was on the same team at Oklahoma. Lane Johnson, Philadelphia Lane Johnson was on the same team at Oklahoma. Lane Johnson, Philadelphia, Lane Johnson. And hold on, AP was on that team too. I think it was him, AP, Sam Bradford might have been a freshman. The quarterback? No wonder AP was running like that, man.
Starting point is 00:38:01 I think AP was don't know what would be Trent and and because we're trying to win top like top three top four and Lane was right behind it Trent Lane came out in the same draft didn't I'm almost certain here Lane came out in the same draft, didn't he? I'm almost certain here Lane came out in the same draft. All right. Thanks. Yes. Look at that up, but I'm almost certain Ocho,
Starting point is 00:38:39 that Lane and Trent came out in the same draft. And AP, I think AP might've left a year before they did. Hell, he might've been there with him. Late. 2013. So who came up? It was like, they had two, like, who came out with what other,
Starting point is 00:39:04 oh, Sam Bradford came out. Sam Bradford was the first overall pick. T-Dub was the third overall pick. That's what it was. Okay. Fourth overall pick and AP was on that team. Wasn't AP with Trent? Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Yes. AP not Lane. Lane was after Big Trent, but AP, Sam Bradford and Trent was on the same team. Hey, but I'm boy. We're good. Yeah. I mean, think about it. Just like, uh, who was it?
Starting point is 00:39:34 Matthew Stafford, AJ green and no sharp Marino was on the same team. And then when the SEC wait, wait, who was AJ Green quarterback of Georgia? Matthew Stafford. Deadass? I didn't know that. No Strymerino, bro. He was nice. He was nice.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Ocho, we have the body cam footage from Tyreex detainment was released earlier Let's watch this in its entirety We're gonna look at the Tyreex video. We're gonna have Kalei's camels Talking and then you and I will address it after that We're gonna watch the video in its entirety so you can see how it unfolded and then we'll give our synopsis of what we thought What we think happened. Get in your car and leave. I'm giving you an order to get out of here. Hey, hey, come here. I told you, Vy. Nope, too late.
Starting point is 00:40:54 How about I move the car? Nope, too late. I told you. I'll move the car. Move the car, sir, please. Please move the car. The car has to hang out for a minute now. Hey, what's the reference? What's the reference? Yeah, careless? Because he was speeding too fast? I'm watered in. Hold the car.
Starting point is 00:41:36 How are you, John? Why don't you have your seatbelt on? Why don't you have your seatbelt on? Like what? Why don't you hold it up? It's tight. Wait a little bit. Hey, keep your window down. Hey, keep your window down. Keep your window down, I'm going to get you out of the car. As a matter of fact, get out of the car.
Starting point is 00:42:14 Give me your ass. Get out of the car. Give me your ass, or I'll break that freaking window. Get out of the car. Get out of the car right now. We're not playing this game. Get out. Get out.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. We're part of that with you playing this game. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. What part of violence you understand? Hey, Drew. Hey, Drew.
Starting point is 00:42:31 I'm getting arrested, Drew. I'm getting arrested. I'm getting arrested, Drew. I'm getting out, bro. God damn, Tweed. When we tell you to do something, you do it. You understand? I'm getting out.
Starting point is 00:42:43 You understand? Not what you want, but what we tell you. I'm getting up. You're a little fucking confused. I'm getting out, bro. Too late. Too late. All right, bro.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Take me to jail, bro. Do what you got to do, bro. We are. We will. Good. Good, bro. It is good. Hey, don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:42:57 I hung up the phone. Stop crying. Bro. Y'all. Don't move. Good. Bro, you beating up my window like you crazy. Just set him up.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Why y'all beating on my window like y'all crazy, bro? Damn, yo, yo, yo. Bro. What's going on? Bro, yo, bro, dude, beating on my window like you crazy. I ain't do nothing to him. Damn. I don't wanna do nothing to him.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Hey, don't park there. Don't park there. Hey. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, bro. I just had surgery on my knee. I just had surgery on my knee, bro. I just had surgery on my knee, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:32 I just had surgery on your ears when we go there. Bro, chill, bro. Chill, bro. Hey, don't move, bro. Back up. Hey, call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew in your ears when we go. Oh, chill, bro. Chill, bro. Hey, don't do, bro. Back up. Call Drew. Call Drew.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Call Drew. Call Drew. Call Drew. Hey, call Drew. Call Drew, bro. Call Drew. Call Drew. Hey, call Drew, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Hey, what? Hey, call Drew, bro. Just call Drew. Hey. I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing nothing. I'm not doing nothing. What am I doing in this room? Hey, listen. Listen. Listen. Hey, hey, listen, listen. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, man, they got Tyreek.
Starting point is 00:44:11 The cops over here beating on them. They over here beating on Tyreek, man. Listen, listen, man. Don't park there, man. Just get in the car. Hey, hey, Drew, you gotta come, man. Just get in the car. Right up the side, on the side of the aisle.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Hey, get in the car. You're parked in the middle of the street. I'm in the car. You gotta go before you get out of the oil. Hey, get in the car. You're parked at the bit of the street. I'm in the car. You gotta go before you get a ticket. I don't. I'm not. I'm not driving. Who's the driver?
Starting point is 00:44:30 This is my car. All right, move. You gotta move right now. Let me have your license. You're gonna have a ticket, too. Let me have your license. You're gonna have a ticket. Let me have your license.
Starting point is 00:44:38 I'm leaving. I'm not playing. Let me have your license. I'm leaving. Yo, what's going on? Your license right now. Yo, what's going on, man? Your license right now.
Starting point is 00:44:44 You're not gonna give me your license? Hey. Get in the car and leave. You're not gonna give me your license? Let me have your license. Your license right now. Your license right now. Your license right now. Your license right now. Your license right now. Your license right now.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Man, man. That was the entire. Body cam footage of the the arrest. You hear him say they knew who it was. It was Tyreek Hill. He later said that he was he was speeding and and it kind of escalated, escalated from there. It appears to me, Ocho, and I could be wrong.
Starting point is 00:45:23 You tell me what you're thinking. Is that they asked for it. They asked him to roll the windows down. He rolled the window down just enough that gets to give him his driver's license and registration. That's all he's required to do. He doesn't have to roll it all the way down just so the officer can have visual contact with him.
Starting point is 00:45:42 He gave him his driver's license and his registration, and he rolls the windows back up. Back up, yeah. It's tough because he knows who he is, Ocho, because he knows who that is. He knows that's Tyreek. We hear him say they know that's Tyreek Hill. Yeah. He knows who that is. He knows that's Tyreke.
Starting point is 00:46:02 We hear him say they know that's Tyreke Hill. Yeah. The officer is like wants to remain. I want to have visual contact with you, Ocho. OK, we talking. I got visual contact. You got your window down enough where I can see you. Now, it looks like I could be wrong, but it looks like he has 10 of the tinted windows.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Yeah, they tinted. Yeah. In Miami, you know, we allowed the tent. And so it looks like I guess the officer is taken to account that's 10 of the tenant windows. Yeah, they tenant. Yeah. And Miami, you know, we allowed the tent. And so it looks like, I guess the officer is taken into account because you have to understand the officer is taken into account. He rolls the window back up. Now I no longer have visual contact with him.
Starting point is 00:46:35 You see. So, okay. Take it from there and then I'm gonna piggyback off of you. Go ahead. I mean, when it first started, obviously license registration, roll your window down. Tyreek upset about them knocking on the window. Obviously aggressively in an aggressive manner.
Starting point is 00:46:57 But when the cop initially walked over, if I'm not mistaken, I saw Tyreek hand him the driver's license. So at that point, Tyreekke rolled the window back up. Now, as an officer, I understand that it is Tyreke Hill, but I don't think any, I don't think a civilian, if civilians don't get any grace, then I don't think they're going to give Tyreke Hill any grace to allow him to roll his window back up to where he can't have any visual contact with you.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Visual contact, even though Tyreke isn't a threat in this manner. I'm assuming have to always stick the protocol regards to who the person is. Right. But I would I would have I would have like my dog. Understand, you got a game. You know how authority is already, you know, how cops are in general, with all the situations that have gone on countless years back to back to back to back to back. Just this one time.
Starting point is 00:47:50 You know, I got a game to play, bro. Here's my here's my license, my registration. Get your ticket and go about your business. Get your ticket and go about your business. Let's lock in on the game. You feel me? But but but. Cooler heads didn't prevail. Then, you know, your teammates getting into it, you know, obviously rightfully so.
Starting point is 00:48:13 But hell, if I was a teammate, I would, you know, I pull my black ass over. What's the problem? I've been in that situation. Like I said, we got into a brawl and my teammates and they're telling us to back up because at that point in time time police got to make instant. They got to make splits. Yes. They got to do something.
Starting point is 00:48:28 They're like, oh, see, you have the luxury of sitting back here watching it. But imagine how his antenna goes up when he's there. Yes. And we assume, like I said, he doesn't have that luxury. Once I lose contact with you, I don't know if you go into the glove box. I don't know if you go into the middle box. I don't know anything. I want to maintain visual contact with you. That's. I don't know if you go into the glove box. I don't know if you go into the middle box. I don't know anything. I want to maintain visual contact with you.
Starting point is 00:48:47 That's why I said, you heard what I said last night and you heard me say it many, many years ago. My job, once I get pulled over and the police have made contact with me, my job is to get him to my car, back to his police car or his motorcycle and on his way as quickly as I possibly can, I know the longer he remains there, the greater the chances for something
Starting point is 00:49:10 to escalate. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, look, and think about this. And I want people in the chat. I want you to understand what I'm talking about. Think about how people hate on you and they don't have any power. Do you realize when that man or that female pull you over side the road, they got all the power with the gun, with the badge.
Starting point is 00:49:37 I'm not arguing with you. I can't, I, you're, you're, you're, you're the lawyer. You the judge, you everything. I would take my chances in court, but I'm going to take my chances in court as a live person. I don't want my family trying to defend what transpired. Now, I need to be there to tell the story. Not you tell it. Now, I knew what was gonna happen. I knew this day we're gonna say, we asked him to roll down the window
Starting point is 00:49:58 and he was defiant in rolling down his window in a timely manner. I knew that was coming though, Joe. I knew that was coming though Joe. Yeah. I knew that was coming. You know that, I know that. That's why I get, I'm feeding, hey, it's happened. I rolled down my window.
Starting point is 00:50:13 When he comes, I got it waiting on him. Yeah. Hey, you ain't gotta ask me cause it's right over my visor. I got my driver's license in my bag. I got the insurance right there. There it is right there. It even had to go to that though. You talk about abuse of power, you know, even as officers of the
Starting point is 00:50:34 law, understanding who the individual is, understanding that the individual is no threat. There's a game. He was speaking. I don't think he was late. He couldn't be late. No, he wasn't late because we had Kaleus on the day, Ocho. We Kaleo's on the day. He said it was around. They have to be that they had to be there by level because the game is at 105 2 hours before the game. He said it was around 1018 1020 something like that. So he had a good two and a half two hours and 3245 and the stadium is a block away. And that's unfortunate, man.
Starting point is 00:51:05 A little aggressive, though, for me, too. Oh, for sure. And listen, a little too aggressive. I wish there was a cop there that could de escalate the situation a little bit, a little bit better, you know, to allow cooler hair to prevail. Just a little too aggressive and abusive of the power that they did have to put behind the back and put the knee in the back and like, come on, come on, come on now. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:51:28 You know, but. It's unfortunate. Oh, Joe, it's how it is. Most think about it. If there's a pack of dog and one of them bite, all of a sudden, the other would join in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You when you when you were in school, the bullet. And once they started picking on somebody,
Starting point is 00:51:46 then everybody started picking on them. Yeah. The officers are just the same. Once they want to get aggressive, the other fields in boredom and he gets a little bit more aggressive instead of trying to deescalate the situation. Hey, Mr. Hill, we understand. We understand you're frustrated. We got a game. Just let us do our job and we'll get you on your way. We'll issue you a citation Hey, hey, the dates gonna be on there. You can fight it in court Move on that's what you would have liked to happen, but it seems like once like well, hello I can't let you get all this aggression out on him. Let me get some I get on the ground you heard what I said
Starting point is 00:52:21 Yeah, I Mean and You heard what I said? Yeah. I mean, and we've seen this so many times and the outcome and most of the other situations were much different. They were much different. So I'm glad you don't understand why they put a knee on his back. I don't understand. I don't understand. He wasn't struggling.
Starting point is 00:52:41 I mean, people don't understand. Lay on your stomach and put your hand behind the back and see how you feel because that's an unnatural position. Because your diaphragm needs to go up and down. That's why it's hard for you to breathe when you're on your stuff. Now think about it. Now you sleep like this here, but just imagine putting your hands behind your back and now you compressing the diaphragm. Tyree wasn't he wasn't he wasn't struggling. He didn't give them any reason once they got him out the car to take the stance in which they took.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Yeah. But it was like a situation, Ocho. Man, you don't make me open this. Man, you don't make me open it. Don't get your ass out of this car. Yo, you know, hey, you're right. They were they was frustrated. They was frustrated. They was frustrated. You know, yeah,, right. They were they was frustrated. They was frustrated. They was frustrated.
Starting point is 00:53:25 You know, yeah. When he rolled when he rolled the window back up. Yeah. Oh, he was on one day. He's on the door. It was open in you. You wrote you wrote a window up in my face. But then you wrote a window. OK, I got some fun.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Yeah. He had his license already. So that there was there was nothing else to really talk about except go to your motorcycle and run. You already knew who it was. You already heard you heard him say that Tyree Hill. Yeah, you heard him in the video say that. Yeah, I just wish Tyree let this be a lesson learned. Let this anybody that's watching, let this be a lesson learned. Yeah, I understand.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Nobody likes being stopped, especially when you're in a hurry or you don't feel you're doing anything wrong. But take it to court. I've gotten stopped. I didn't believe I was speeding. I said, my man. You know, and you know how to. I said to myself, I'll see you in court.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Right. You know how to. I said, I was, did you all say, well, Mr. Sharp? I said, I wasn't speeding. Right. I said, he said I was the judge say, well, Mr. Sharp, I said I wasn't speeding. Right. I said he didn't tell me how fast I was going. He just said I was traveling faster than him. Well, how fast was he going? Just because I'm going faster than you, that don't mean I'm speed. That's a good one. That's what he told me. Oh, Joe. I said, OK, I'm going to court. I have been I have been spent all my time side the road with you,
Starting point is 00:54:46 all that talking and going back and forth. I'm gonna keep my mouth closed. I will tell my side of the story. Nobody's gonna tell Shannon Sharpe or what they think happened or what they surmised happened. I am going to tell my story. I'm going home to my kids. Yeah, I'm going home.
Starting point is 00:55:03 So let this, hey, what what you want to happen when the police comes and they'll come to they pull you up for speeding or any moving violation. Your job is to get them to your car back to their car. As quick as possible. Yeah, a little talking as possible. Because I don't want anything. I don't want you to think that I'm
Starting point is 00:55:26 trying to be because if you ask me how fast I was going, I say, no, I do not. I wasn't watching. He don't think I got smart with him. Now he's all, oh, you want to get smart. You're up and you know what? Yeah. You think because you on TV, you
Starting point is 00:55:37 think because you got millions, you you better than me and you could talk to me. So no, I don't know how fast I was going. Oh, OK, I'm sorry. I didn't know I was going that fast, officer. All right. Sit right here. Sure. We'll lead a window down to I sure do. And in a court of public opinion, you know, people are going to choose their sides. Yeah. So think is right. Who they think is wrong. I just,
Starting point is 00:56:04 on my end, you know, I am. I don't play with the law. Yeah, I don't want I don't want no party. I don't want no part of that at all. I want to get home to my kids, bro. That's it. I'm going to get home to my kids. Oh, I can't afford no more mistakes. I had a situation that was the fourth of July.
Starting point is 00:56:24 But you ain't hear me, though. You what you oh, no, no, dude. You're right. Yeah Let me take a glass. Let me take my glasses off real so the check to see my ass, but I can't afford no more mistakes No, okay, no chances after this Shit, man. I man can't get not you can't get knocked down and get up again. Not not at the age We are oh Joe in our 20s We got you know, we got the rest of our 20s. We got into our 30s. But at this juncture, where we are now.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Oh, Joe, I was at the it was a fourth. It was this was a while ago. This had to be almost 20 years ago. Yes, me, Buckethead, my homeboy, Big Cow. So met this met the other chick and, uh, and I hit her up cause we were out and she said, well, I met such and such. Won't you come by? I was like, well, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna come by. I'm not going to
Starting point is 00:57:13 come in, but I'll call you once I get outside. Okay. She came and a girlfriend came, you know, nice, nice looking, you know, nice looking, nice, you know, you know, you don't say it. Okay. They die. Yeah. know what I'm saying, they nice. Until I think like Oracle glasses until I think like, you know, like red felt glasses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like snake eye. Yeah. They think like, yeah, they think like Oracle. Yeah. And so she came outside and we was talking, you know, she had a little man, skirt on, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, you need to move. I was talking, you know, he had a little man, he's good on blah, blah, blah. And he's like, you need to move. I was like, OK, so we move further down. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:52 One of the guys said, and I was like, OK, I move further down. Oh, now you can't stand it. One of the guys, one of the police officer says, no, that's Shannon Sharp. He could let you stay there. No, I told him to move. Oh, I said, hey, maybe I'll holler at you later. Okay. All right. Boom. I left. You see he already owned one. Right. Right. Right. He mad. Cause I got something that he won't. She talking to me.
Starting point is 00:58:17 She wouldn't give him the time today. I know that he know that. So he feeling one. Right. right once he say once he said I said move that told me right there that he had rank mm-hmm I'm up out of there I'm good you know they gonna abuse that little power I'm good bro I'm good saw later that night though you can't stop me! You can't stop progress! Progress must progress! Yes. Come on now.
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Starting point is 01:03:10 The new civil suit claims Watson exposed himself, requested a massage, and sexually assaulted the victim before she was able to resist and get him to leave her apartment. We all know that in August of 22, the NFL suspended Watson for 11 games, finding $5 million for violating the NFL personal conduct policy. After more than 20 women alleged that Watson committed sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions, Watson reached in a confidential settlement with 23 of the 24 women in 2022. He previously denied any wrongdoing
Starting point is 01:03:45 and maintained that any sex with the women was consensual. Wausau was required by the NFL to commit to mandatory evaluation and treatment as a part of his reinstatement. Ocho, what is your take on these new allegations? I don't want to say the wrong one. I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to say the wrong thing. Obviously, obviously, you know, it's.
Starting point is 01:04:29 It's tough. There's certain things that I should stay away from that you're better suited to answer. You know, so I'm going to let you take that one. Look, I think if not mistaken, Oh, Joe, all of this happened in a finite period of time. There was a period of time in which he was in Houston. And from what a lot of the women alleged, they were, you know, he would reach out through IG or whatever the case may be.
Starting point is 01:04:54 He would request a massage and things happen. And I guess some happen against their will. Yes, that's what they're alleging. And I think not could be wrong, but this is around this time that all of these happen. So I would ask when I read it today, I was like, OK, 20, 20. So I don't think this is anything new. This was around that time when all the women, this was 22, 23. I was like, damn, the Sean, bro, you was in a situation back in 2020.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Right. And you put yourself back in this situation. It's kind of like what that lady remember, they did the document of OJ. Yeah. And the lady said, we got you off the first time you went back and did it again. You own your talk. You own your own Jack. And he did with the piece out. So I was like, the Sean, you put yourself back in this situation. But I think it was it was it was probably during that time. And this one is kind of like a drip drip leak leak coming out. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:55 Dang. Very, very, very. It's very, very. It's just tough, man. It's just tough because, you know, you have you have daughters. I have daughters. I don't know if have you have daughters. I have daughters. I don't know if you have any sisters. I have sisters. Yeah. And we take we take we take this stuff. And that's why, you know, I didn't want I was I remember when I was at Fox
Starting point is 01:06:17 and this first came out and I didn't want to be I didn't want to jump to no no conclusion one way or another. Yeah. Because you're going to offend someone. Somebody don't believe them. You don't believe the women. But then you jump to the conclusion and you automatically offend guys that have been wrongly accused. And I've been one of those guys that have been wrongly accused.
Starting point is 01:06:38 And so I know what it's like to have those eyes looking at you. Right. But that's why I was reluctant. Really, really, really to comment, really to say, because I don't know who I might offend. I don't want to say the wrong thing that I have. You're better suited. You're a little bit more polished when it comes to things that are very uncomfortable for me to explain and be able to express, you know, whether right
Starting point is 01:07:01 or wrong or indifferent. I just I did. There's certain things I want to to touch those type of topics when it comes to race, religion. And politics, you know, I'm, I'm that is, it's a, it's no win. There's no loss. It's just a continuing ongoing session of he say, she say, right. I think, um, this situation Then this is the end. I think this situation will be like the rest of them.
Starting point is 01:07:29 I think everybody deserves to have their day in court. Everybody deserves to be heard and, you know. Men and women of his peers, yes, if it gets that far. But it's just to continuation, it seems like it's that far. But it's just a continuation. It seems like it's never ending. It seems like it's a Groundhog Day or a bad. I'm sure it's a bad dream for him. You know, he just lost his father.
Starting point is 01:07:55 I didn't know that. And he said I was reading today where he said the team gave him a choice. Either, you know, he could go and be with his family or he could play in the game and he chose to play to be with his brothers. Um, I think a lot of people probably would have done that. I remember when Brett far lost his father the night before and he played probably his arguably one of his best games of his career. I think a lot of guys would probably do that some, um, and I wouldn't hold that against them if they chose to be with family at a time like this. I certainly would understand it. Um, but, uh,
Starting point is 01:08:28 I'm sure for the Sean, he just feel like, man, when would this ever end? Um, and, uh, I just hope that, uh, you know, everybody finds resolution and everybody's there to, to, to, I don't think you ever, I don't think if you're a man or a woman involved in this, I don't think it ever, it ever goes away. I don't think you ever I don't think if you're a man or woman involved in this I don't think it ever goes away I don't think you let get over it I don't think you get over it. Now, it replays in your head, like a loop. But we'll see what happens down the road if if something comes over, maybe it's a there's
Starting point is 01:08:59 a settlement. Maybe you know the judge is taught. I don't know. And like you said, all we know is that there were charges filed saying that alleging that this is what transpired. So we'll see. Once it, uh, the internet, the internet speculating that the Browns leaked this info to get out of the contract. I don't, I don't think they can because it's something that's ex post facto. It didn't happen after he signed the contract. This happened before he signed the
Starting point is 01:09:31 contract. So it's almost like, and I hate to use the term grandfather because it's something that happened before the contract was signed, don't you? Yeah. So it's like, I can be in an apartment and I get a, and you don't have a, you don't have an ordinance that says I can't have a mini horse when I go get a mini horse and you say well moving forward nobody can have a mini horse. Well I'm grandfather, because I had the mini horse before you set the ordinance. Right. So in this situation that could be wrong there's I'm sure some lawyers would like to jump on here. But, um, um, it says here, the full paragraph of, uh, paragraph 42 players here about. Did Watson disclose this specific potential claim to the Browns in writing before he signed the contract? That's the key question. If he did, the lawsuit can't activate paragraph 42. If he didn't, things get potentially complicated. But here's the thing. What if he didn't know? What if he didn't know? I can see because a lot of these women had already put situations out there. If he doesn't know.
Starting point is 01:10:48 I mean. That's the thing. This is this is not as cutting dry as the same Ocho. You can like we know it's illegal to park by 500. It's illegal to park in front of a 500. You can say, well, I didn't know a 500 is illegal to park in front of a 500. You can say, well, I didn't know they don't say ignorance of the law is not an excuse. If I don't know that someone is going to allege a claim against me, how can I tell you that something that I don't know?
Starting point is 01:11:18 That's I don't believe that's an ignorance of the law as parking or running a red light or parking in front of a 500. This is totally different. I don't know. I don't know he could have known and not disclosed. I don't know, but I'm just saying, I don't know somebody might 20 years ago say, you know what, this is what happened. Huh?
Starting point is 01:11:38 Well, Shannon, we're going to have to void the contract. Hell, I didn't know it happened. I can't tell you something that I didn't know. But this is a really tough situation, Ocho, because you dealing we see the thing that happened in Hollywood and with this Me Too movement. Now it's like people are not asking questions. You're like you're guilty until proven innocent. It used to be innocent until proven guilty.
Starting point is 01:12:01 Now you're guilty until proven innocent. Right. And that's a tough standard. The Volume. I'm Kari Champion and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil.
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