Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Andre Johnson on "the fight", Deion Sanders content, Eric Kendricks on Cowboys
Episode Date: September 28, 2024Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" are joined by Andre Johnson, who breaks down what led to “the fight” with Cortland Finnegan. Later, Deion "Coach Prime" Sanders says he has no interest in coach...ing in the NFL, Eric Kendricks talks about transitioning into playing for Dallas Cowboys and much more!03:18 - Andre Johnson breaks down what led up to “the fight” with Cortland Finnegan09:30 - Demeco Ryans talks CJ Stroud’s growth process that led to a special season16:00 - Deion Sanders has no interest coaching in the NFL19:41 - Raheem Morris talks why the quarterback message was clear coming in.23:38 - Eric Kendricks talks transition to playing for the Cowboys(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Great.
You spent, I think, all about one year of your NFL career here in Houston.
What does it mean to you to get drafted by this franchise and be considered when they
think of the short list of the greatest players to ever play in the Houston Texans' uniform,
your name is the first name to get brought up.
Man, I always tell the story about when I went to my first Pro Bowl, the guy, it
was some guy he worked with the NFL and he was like who the hell is here from the
Houston Texans and that's something that always stuck with me and I put that chip
on my shoulder and I was like,
shit, I'm gonna make people respect us.
And that was the way I played,
that was just the way I carried myself.
To have this Hall of Fame thing happen,
it wasn't just for me, man, it was about this whole city.
So.
The actual first player in the Houston Texans
to go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
What did that, when you got the call and it says,
they knock on the door, Andre Johnson,
welcome to football heaven,
you've been selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I mean, Shana, you've had that knock, you know,
so I don't think words can really
describe it if you like I had to take a moment to literally go sit on my couch
you know and I have my hands in my head and I just you know to be it's been
over 30,000 guys that play this game.
It's only 378 people in the Hall of Fame.
That's not even 1%.
That's correct.
To be mentioned with that, man, that's special.
It's special.
I ain't gonna lie, man, just having you here
and enjoying this with you, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, appreciate it, appreciate it, appreciate it. A lot of people really don't gonna lie man, just having you here and enjoying this with you man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Appreciate it, appreciate it, appreciate it.
A lot of people really don't know man how far we go back bro.
Way, way back, way back.
As a matter of fact, the funny thing about it, for those of you that don't know,
Dre and I used to train in off season, you know, during our day when we were playing.
Me, Tana Man, uh, Tony O'Brown, crazy ass.
Who else we had out there, man?
Man, it was a lot of us.
It was a lot of us.
So, you know, it was a certain connection
that we all kept, like we was family.
You know, obviously we all played on different teams,
but everybody from that area, we we all got got back together and we
always man shit worked our ass off in all season man and it is awesome you
know it's someone that has always looked up to you even from afar during the
times we were all so close man I'm proud of you I'm really proud of you.
Dre you have some unbelievable games in the Hall of Fame the first Houston Texan Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I knew that was coming. But I had only met you once.
I came here early in your career.
And as a matter of fact, I think Koo Koo was the coach.
He was the coach.
And you were very quiet.
And you're still quite quiet.
And I remember that happening.
And I'm like, what did this man say to get him?
He don't even talk, let alone fight.
What did he say to get you so like, you like, hey, F it, I'm in Liberty City right now.
I'm swinging, bro.
Nah, it had been going on for about three years.
Damn! You done had it built up that long?
Yeah.
Yeah, it had been going on for about three years.
Man, I never shared this story with nobody,
but because of your nightcap, I would give it to you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, there we go.
So, Chad, you remember club play?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Old Cristal.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Old Cristal. Yeah, yeah.
So, man, this is no lie.
Like, they're driving up to the club.
It's my little brother and Rudy.
My brother's sitting in the passenger seat.
Rudy's in the back seat.
And we're on pulling up in valet
and they jump out the car while the car's moving.
Right.
And I'm like, what the hell are y'all doing?
They was like, there you go.
So I'm like, what are y'all talking about?
It's Courtland.
He's standing at the front door of the club.
I didn't even see him.
They wanted to get on him right then.
And I'm like, nah, we're doing that. You know what I'm saying?
So that happened like a year prior.
So I don't know, man.
We was up 20 to nothing.
And I told Kube, I was like, hey man,
I'm finna beat his ass. Normally coaches call plays for the player. The player call to play, coach I'm
gonna beat his ass on one. Ready break. So that was just, that was just it man like I
just had enough of you know the stuff he was doing so uh. So it was mainly cheap
shots not so much talking it was the cheap., not so much talking, it was the cheap things.
No, no, no, the talking, you could talk all day,
I don't give a damn about talking.
Right.
But it was the cheap things he would do at the place.
Okay. Yeah.
Y'all cool now? Y'all cool now?
Y'all see.
I don't know, I ain't never seen,
I seen him one time since that whole situation, so I don't.
But after that he ain't cheap shot you no more, huh?
No, he ain't gonna do that.
I don't.
Coach, obviously you've been around the game of football
for a very long time.
For those that are on the outside looking in,
I don't think they understand how special a season
that was for you to have.
Obviously you understand the difficulty
when you draft a rookie quarterback
and understanding you have a program
that is trying to build itself back to winning consistently
and to be able to have a successful season.
Obviously not winning a championship
but still having a successful season
knowing that you can build off of that.
Do you understand how great your season was last year?
Yeah, I do understand.
It all starts with, like you said the rookie quarterback everybody now
They expect rookies to come in and just ball out from the start that doesn't happen
Like especially at the quarterback position you got to have a special
special person to do that and you know we were fortunate enough to get CJ at number two and
This kid is special. Yes
You know, he's fun to work with,
and he didn't start off that way.
Like we didn't.
We started off with a rough season.
Like we had to go through some growing pains,
and he learned a lot.
Our team learned a lot of how we had to play to win games,
and that growth process throughout the season,
that made it even more special
to know we didn't just come out just beating people and I told our guys too
You know, we talked about how special of a season it was you look up we had I think it was ten games
that
Were in the last minute of the game
We were right in the game and I think we won seven of those ten and the last minute of the game
So that just shows the margin for error in this league. It's still tight even though it's a great season but man I tell our guys you have to work hard, you gotta
grind those wins and you gotta be smart in those situational moments to close games out.
There was an issue obviously with Brian Flores and Tua in the way he talked to him. Obviously
it rubbed Tua the wrong way and I just want to know how do you navigate being able to
coach certain players certain ways and how do you approach it because you can some coach some players you can coach hard
You know you understand those that are built like that you can coach them a little harder some of them
You got to pat them on the back and guide them. Have you been able to do that with your with your players?
Yeah with it man. It's a great question
All right
I was just talking to one of my coaches about that earlier today But you have to have a relationship with guys
Like if you don't have a relationship with guys and you don't know how that guy's gonna respond
Yeah, right some guys I could I could coach hard some guys
I know like I mean I can't get it out of him, but I don't need to go as hard with him
I just got to tell them. Hey, man, you're doing a great job, hey, keep it going young fella, you, you, you're going to get there. But if you don't establish
that relationship outside of football, like you just got to sit down, you got to eat with
guys, you got to meet with guys, just talk to them one-on-one, like what's going on outside
of football so you can really get to know that young man and what's going on in his
life. Like that's how you are able to relate to guys and coach.
Now once you get that relationship,
I can coach him up hard.
But everybody, you can't coach hard.
Everybody doesn't need hard coaching.
But as a coach, it's our job.
And that's one thing I learned about coaching.
I thought, man, when I finished playing,
I thought I was going to hop in like, hey, Kyle,
I can come coach the linebackers right now.
But that's what I learned when I was in San Fran.
I truly learned, like, man, you got every guy's different.
How do you teach every guy?
Every guy learns different,
every guy you gotta explain things differently,
and they pick it up different.
So for me, that's where I learned, like,
man, you have to be adaptable as a coach,
but you gotta know these guys outside of football.
You know, go ahead, give it up to.
A lot of times, sometimes, coaches try to hide
hard coaching behind disrespect.
It's like, if I'm working for you,
I want you to coach me hard,
I want you to say what I'm doing wrong,
but there's a very, very fine line
between hard coaching and disrespect. Now, you guys have to understand, that's a grown man you're talking to.
This ain't college. He's not trying to get to the NFL. He's already here.
He's not in high school trying to get to college, so those guys, you can coach, you can coach, I mean,
when we grew up coaches cus to file
You do that now you go turn a guy off for the guy might want to fight you He might want to fight you or he might just leave
God it's just it's a different different area
And I've never like try to cross the lines of cursing guys out
I feel like if I have to curse you out like I got the wrong guy correct first off right I
Don't we don't have time for that.
Like we're men, we're working together, and I tell our guys, my first meeting, I was like,
this is what you can expect from our coaches.
Our coaches are going to be respectful, they're going to tell you the truth, and they're going
to coach everybody in this room, right?
Because they care.
Your success is their success.
Correct.
So we have to find that common ground to work together for us all to be successful.
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I don't want to do pros. I love college. I would never do pros.
I don't believe that.
That's a lie.
I don't believe that. That's a lie.
I don't believe that.
Prime, you're the very, listen to me, stay with me, baby.
You are the very person who had a song called
Must Be The Money.
Yeah, I'm straight.
That turned me out.
I know, I'm straight.
And if they show you that money over there in LA,
guess where we gonna be at?
Notice I said, guess where we gonna be at? Notice I said, guess where we gonna be at?
I'm so glad you said that.
So let me address this one thing at a time.
Must be the money was a testimony.
I wasn't bragging about the money.
I was saying must be the money that's turning y'all on.
I said, Diamond Rolex gators on my feet.
I got a pair every day of the week.
My hands down, my fingernails too, six buttons down.
I don't know what this do.
Must be this money.
I was saying y'all changed.
I didn't.
It must be the money.
Now, secondly, I'm straight.
I thought about it, everything I need, man.
I'm having the time of my life.
I love going to Colorado.
I love the kids that I get to coach.
I love the recruiting process.
I love it.
So, and I like the purity. I love the recruiting process. I love it. So I like the way it sounds.
And I like the purity of the young men.
Yes, sir.
You know, I like this, the, the, the sensitivities and I like all
that and the amateurism of it, even though it's turning to pros because
everybody wants a bag now, but I would have a hard time in a locker room where
the guide is making a multitude of millions and he don't want to play.
I don't want to give this all. I will have problem with that chair a real problem with that and you know we had to do that yeah and I
be trying to tell oh Joe Joe so he ain't never played with nobody like that he
just they want to see it wait they just played for the money play for the money
just I didn't want to play it I really want to give it they all just wouldn't want to play. They had a lot of talent and they didn't they just mess around.
Well I well mess it around by doing things off the field not on the field. And on the field just
don't want to do right. Yeah see I ain't pay attention like that honestly I ain't gonna lie
I ain't gonna lie to you I ain't gonna lie to you. And I don't want you in LA you can't be in LA.
First of all LA first of, LA too expensive for me.
You know how cheap I am.
I'm not getting a house.
I don't like California.
Right.
I don't like it.
I'm trying to get closer to Shannon so he could take you.
I want to sit close to him.
Shannon don't want us closer to him.
You haven't got that hit.
I don't.
Have he ever invited you anywhere to California?
No.
He don't even answer my damn text message.
Thank you.
I'll meet you somewhere if you get there.
Then he gonna be evasive on getting there,
based on what's in there.
Right, right, right, right.
That's who he is.
You ain't know who he is.
He don't want us there.
First of all, he need to get his butt back in Atlanta.
That's what he need to do.
Oh yeah.
No, I don't need to be back in Atlanta. No, I don't. No, I don't. Well, you said you were taking me to the arm, to the place butt back in Atlanta. That's what he need to do. Oh yeah. He don't need to be back in Atlanta.
No I don't.
No I don't.
Well you said you were taking me to the arm,
to the place with the booty juice.
Magic food.
Magic food.
Yeah, that ain't going there.
First of all, second of all,
you still got your house there?
Hey, you got a house there, you invite nobody,
and don't even let nobody use it.
That's selfish.
That's why I call him selfish, all of that.
He's selfish.
Hey, can I use it for an Airbnb?
I talk to Magic.
I talk to Magic.
Magic, they come on in.
Magic, first of all, Magic is a hero, a national treasure.
Let's get that right.
Magic, Magic ain't one of the games.
Still looking good, still fly.
Magic is still Magic.
You talking about somebody that should have a movie,
a documentary done?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Magic changed everybody's life.
Yeah.
And just talk game.
I mean, magic, just talk your game and all that, man.
I love magic.
You know, when you talk about quarterbacks,
we understand how important that position is.
Obviously, in order to sustain a consistent success
for any team, if you look at the top teams in NFL,
it always comes down to the quarterback position.
Is there a disconnect in any way
with the quarterback competing with each other,
understanding the pressures that are on Kirk Cousins
if he doesn't play well, that job is in jeopardy?
I think the message was clear coming in.
It was open, it was honest, it was clear.
Kirk's our starter.
Kirk's gonna take us to places that we wanna go to.
And Mike is gonna come in and he's gonna watch
what it looks like, what it feels like.
He wanna see what it looked like
when you had your quarterbacks in your day with John Elway.
He wanna see what it looked like,
you ain't having no quarterbacks,
but what it looked like to go out there and play.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean? You won Super Bowls at two different stops.
You've been an assistant under a lot of different head coaches.
What is the common denominator between winning and losing?
The people.
It's the people first business in everything we do.
When you were a Raven, I watched it live in hand.
I came into that stadium and I watched the confidence in the people.
I watched Ray Lewis talk smack. I came into that stadium and I watched the confidence in the people. I watched Ray Lewis talk smack.
I watched you talk smack.
And we went in there like, man, we're about to beat them and then y'all let us know after
the game that y'all wasn't.
And it was the people that was involved with the organizations.
It was all about that.
And here we're building a people first business.
And we're doing it with us.
We're doing it with our people, with our fans.
And like I just think that's just the messaging.
Like you gotta have that type of mentality. It's got to be a
people-first mentality. It has to be at all times in everything we do. We're
talking about with the fans, we're talking about what our community, we're
talking about in the building, we're talking about with myself and Terry
Fontenot and our relationship are at the blank and how he communicates with
everybody, how we go about our whole process. It's the people, it's the people.
It's simple. Obviously you had other opportunities. How do you convince coaches that look
like you that don't feel like that opportunity is ever gonna come? Because
you had, think about it, there was a 15-year gap between the time that you
were the head coach until you got it again and you had interviews and did you
ever think like, man I don't know if I'm gonna ever get another chance to be a
head coach again. So you ready Shannon? It's real simple for me, man, I don't know if I'm gonna ever get another chance to be a head coach again.
So you ready, Shannon?
It's real simple for me, right?
I was a 32-year-old head coach.
And I did it again.
And people were telling me, you should have had it a long time ago.
I don't give a damn what you people were saying.
I'm gonna work for it.
I'm gonna go get it.
And when it happens, I'm gonna be ready.
So I'm gonna keep developing my skill set
that when it happens again,
there's gonna be no denying on what you can
and how you're gonna be able to do it
and go about your business.
And I don't give a damn what color I am.
Results don't know color.
I like it.
I like it.
You look at what you've done.
You've got Grady Jarrett, you bring him back.
You signed Justin Simmons.
You signed Matthew Judon.
You just gave AJ Terrell a boatload of money.
You locked him up.
I drafted him too, don't forget.
You did.
You did draft him.
So what is the expectation of this defense considering you've got guys that have been
Pro Bowls, that have been to the All-Pro.
AJ Terrell is one of the better young corners in the league
and we know Gerrity Jarrett is one of the outstanding
defensive linemen in the league.
What is the expectation, that's your area of expertise.
As you know, as you know it's really simple, right?
Stats are for losers.
Yes.
There are expectations that go out there and beat dogs.
We gotta find ways to affect the quarterback
and make them just feel uncomfortable at all times.
And once you find a way to make them uncomfortable
and you dominate rundowns and you get the ball back,
then just go watch our offense shine, right?
That's what winning teams do.
That's how you form your identity.
That's how you make things move.
That's how the needle moves.
The next thing you talking about it on your shows
about the stats, we don't care about none of that. We care about the dog mentality that's going to take to get there.
That's what our goal is. That's what the expectations are.
If I'm gonna be... What's up, what?
What's up? I'm trying to get comfortable right now.
You good? I'm good.
All right. Tell us about the transition to becoming a cowboy.
Crazy. What's it been like?
It's different you
know football is crazy out here you know I heard about Texas football
California right there's good football out there but you know football is
different in Texas for sure a little bit a little bit more you know you know a
little bit more pressure yeah yeah for sure Play for the
Vikings to see if Seahawks if I'm not mistaken my brother play with us, bro. I play for the Chargers. Yeah
You're reunited with them, right?
So what's what so how have being reunited with a former coach because obviously, you know this defense
And so you've been able to partake some of the wisdom the keys of where guys need to be what Zim is looking for in a particular defense so
tell us about somewhat being a coach on the field. Yeah you know I feel like at
first you know we're all trying to learn the basics you know I mean obviously I
have a little bit of a head start but everybody's learning the basics you know
we're trying to get the concepts down they kind of carry over to different
coverages you know we can run split coverages things like that but you know
I feel like with Zim's defense,
it's always about the players taking a little bit of ownership
too.
We have to be at work.
We're the ones that are quarterbacking it out there.
So at some point, we've got to be the one making the calls
and checks and be confident when we're doing so.
And I feel like now that's, obviously, we're
in camp for a month and stuff like that.
But now we're transitioning.
We're about to play this first game. And I feel like now we're starting to transition into having that
Confidence where everybody's kind of like, okay, we're running this now. Let's run this now, you know
So it's been a lot of fun and you know, obviously we have a different pieces than I had in Minnesota
but you know the the heart of the the heart of the
The scheme is the same, you know
Listen, Jim was the defensive coordinator
at Cincinnati when I was there, so Zim is really cool.
He cursed a goddamn lot.
He cursed a lot.
What is your expectations, your personal goals for you
throughout this season or this upcoming season?
Your own personal goals.
My personal goals is to be just the voice
that everyone can count on, just the constant communic just the, you know, the constant communicator, you know, be
Overdoing my communication to the fact that we're all on the same page, you know
I want to definitely be the anchor right there, but shoot, you know, I just want to just keep stacking these years
I feel like, you know
100 plus, you know three and something, you know, I don't want to you know, get too specific
I write them down and everything like that. But You know, I want to win a Super Bowl man
You know, it's cliche, but you know my brother won one right? I got kind of close but you know, not really, you know
So I want to I want to get it. I want to get it going right?
Obviously like you played this game a long time and there are always surprises that when you come in
There's a rookie that comes in that stands out, you're like, okay, be it offense or defense, you're like, he can play.
And he's gonna play, he's gonna make plays for us
and he's gonna be big for us.
Who surprised you in this rookie class
that you're like, okay, be it offense or defense,
that he can play?
Yeah, one of my linebackers, Neil Maris,
you know, he's a kid from Hawaii, you know,
went to Notre Dame.
I think, I don't know which round he got drafted,
you know, I kind of disconnect myself from that,
but he came in, you know, he's obviously
learning.
He's a very humble kid, quiet, but he knows his role.
You know what I mean?
He's been getting more and more, more and more burned.
You know, we had a couple guys go down to camp and he had to step up in roles where
he, you know, he had to be more of a communicator, you know, more of a guy who was out there.
And he's, you know, he's done, he's done a great job.
You know, I just, it gives me a little, it great job. It gives me passion going into my tenth season, seeing a guy in his first year and how he's
trying to get it.
And it just makes me get that hunger.
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