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it, Gil. The Lakers beat, excuse
me, the Heat beat the Lakers
110-96.
And I think this is unforgivable
because they're playing without their best player
or second best player in Jimmy Butler
whether it's Bam or Jimmy but they're
right there 1A 1B
you can't lose by 14 to a team
that doesn't have their best
one of their two best players
no that's facts I mean it's
embarrassing at this point I mean
you know how many games you're going to go
when the same two people
are not giving you any offensive production.
Right? You know, both.
The same two people we're talking about.
You know. Vandal
and Cam Reddish. Cam and Prince
today, zero and zero. Yes.
So unless you're
the guy you were
guarding scored zero and zero,
someone has to make up that point
differential.
And I do. guy you were guarding scored zero and zero someone has to make up that point differential and i do huh go ahead go ahead yeah you're right you know and that's the problem like you know you guys combine for zero the guys your garden combined for 37 so that means someone has to
take on that responsibility and that's what ends up happening with team when you do, when you have lineups like this. Yeah.
I'm looking,
they had one,
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight.
They had eight guys in double figure that he did.
And the Lakers,
Anthony Davis has been great.
I saw him at an event the other night over the last five games.
He's averaging 30,
13,
five assists,
three and a half blocks,
almost two steals,
shooting 58% from the floor, and the Lakers are 1-5 in those ballgames.
LeBron did not have it tonight, played 38 minutes. He was 6-18, all six from the three-point line,
and he didn't attempt a free throw.
That tells me he wasn't as aggressive as he needed to be.
He did have six rebounds, six assists,
but he was minus 20 tonight.
And that's very unlike him,
for him to play that many minutes and shoot that poorly from the field.
Go ahead. Go ahead, Gil.
What ends up happening, Nook,
is the whole thing of what I've always been saying.
If you have two guys on there
that's not meant for offense, meant
for defense, that means we're
going to sit and net LeBron.
So we're not going to allow him to come.
So you're going to guard. You're guarding LeBron.
I'm right behind you. My other
guy's right behind you. So he's seeing three people all
the time, and we're like passing to the guys.
Now this guy takes one shot.
Why am I
ever going to leave? Guard. Why am I ever going to leave?
Guard.
Why am I going to stop guarding LeBron with you?
Right.
He takes one shot.
Like he's not a threat.
You're playing three on five.
So it's easy to keep LeBron James out of the lane if he has to run through three people.
So he's forced to shoot jumpers.
It's like playing his own.
Right.
You can't play that
many minutes. Torian Prince
played 29 minutes. He gave you zero points.
Cam Reddish played 19 minutes.
He gave you zero points. Jerry Vanderbilt
played 16 minutes. He gave you four points.
So those are guys that you were counting on
and between the three of them, they gave you
four points. And that's what
happens, Gil. Let's just say
when you look at a team,
if one of my superstars isn't having a good day, where else can I get offense from? Can I give some
of my role players to go give me 20? Can I get two of my role players, one give me 20 and the
other give me 15? Because AD, the likelihood of both of those guys being off
isn't very likely one of those guys are going to have it going and so i know i'm going to get
somewhere between 20 and 32 from one of those guys now both of those guys they normally give
me around 50 and 20 rebounds a game a night lebron didn't have it tonight austin reese played great
7 or 12 8 or 9 from the free throw line. He was sensational.
But I'm counting on Jerry Vanderbilt.
I'm counting on Torian Prince.
I'm counting on Cam Reddish.
I'm counting on them to do what?
What exactly am I counting on them for?
And what am I counting on them to do?
You're counting on them to have a nice cardio day,
is what you're counting on.
There's a problem
when Kevin Love, when Kevin
Love plays 28 minutes, you know
there's a problem. Kevin Love,
28 from Love?
Yeah. 35?
Oh my God. When I seen
he was playing, I'm like, yo, at least go
at him. He had 10
points. And 14 rebounds.
He couldn't even play in the Denver series.
Nope.
Nope.
And the thing is, the Lakers out-rebounded
them by 11.
The Lakers out-rebounded them by 11.
And you lose.
The Lakers,
they got to get better three-point shooting.
They got out-shot from the three-point line, 16 made to only the low. Lakers were 430 get better three-point shooting. I mean, they got outshot from the three-point line,
16 made to only the Lakers were 430 from the three-point line.
You're not going to win very many games.
Even if your two superstars go off,
you shoot that poorly from the three-point line
and you allow the other team to plus 13 you from the three-point.
So they got 39 more points from that line than what you got.
The likelihood of you winning.
And the Lakers was 22.
They were 22 or 24 from the free throw line.
So they were aggressive.
But you're getting ones and twos.
They're getting threes.
It's like if we translated the football, it's like having Lamar Jackson.
But he has no receivers.
Right.
Right.
There's no receiver.
So it's easy to set the defense knowing that you can only run.
You cannot pass the ball because there's nobody here to catch it.
Right.
It makes it harder.
And that becomes the problem with LeBron and AD.
It makes it harder when you have nobody who can shoot the long ball.
Right.
We're just going to sit in here and wait for you guys to come to us.
Where do the Lakers go
from here? Now they're under 500.
At one point in time, they were great. I mean, we
saw them in the end-season
tournament. They go 7-0
in the end-season tournament game. They win that
last game against Indiana by
double digits. I think
15, 20 points. And we're
like, okay, they're on to something.
Guys are playing really, really well.
It hadn't correlated coming out of the in-season tournament
as well as many thought it would, especially myself.
I think you thought that same way also.
Where do the Lakers go from here?
What do they need to do?
It kind of looks like they're doing it in real time.
We're still judging them, right?
I think they're getting ready to trade
because the fact that you didn't play Rui tonight or D'Lo
lets us know you're shelving them to probably make a move, right?
And I think they're trying to make some type of trade
to get some shooters here
because they are benching players that should be playing.
Right.
So, you know, that's what it really looks like now.
This is that move when you're like,
all right, I ain't playing today.
All right, cool.
Coach, all right.
But Gil, I thought if you get ready to trade,
be like, if I'm getting ready to trade my car, sell my car,
I'm going to clean it up.
I'm going to put a new set of wax on that thing. I'm going to clean it up. I'm going to put a new set of wax
on that thing. I'm going to get a detail
inside and out. I'm going to make sure the tire
is nice and neat. I'm going to do everything.
I thought
to add value or maybe
increase the value of Rui or
increase the value of D'Lo.
Wouldn't you like get these guys and say, come on, guys,
y'all going to give us something?
No, I think the value of Rui and D'Lo has already been set.
I think that's where Van came in. Right. Like where the hell he comes from?
Because I think they're trying to show that he's healthy, his foot is healthy, and we can probably move him and try to see if we can, you know, get some type of blockbuster trade.
Yeah. The thing about the Lakers, they have very tradable contracts.
are trained. Yeah, the thing about the Lakers, they have very tradable contracts.
Vanderbilt contracts, very friendly.
D'Lo
contracts friendly. Ruins
is friendly. I think
Torian Prince is on a one-year deal if you want to
decide to move him.
Yeah, it's
just for whatever reason.
And I remember when they made the move
last year and the guy's like, okay, you got
a year under your system.
You play with A.D., you play with LeBron, you play with Austin Reeves.
I really thought it was going to be a lot better. And it started off better considering where they started off last year.
But, you know, you were saying that because they didn't have what they ended up getting.
Now they start the season with that.
And for whatever reason, it just has not materialized like many thought it would.
I mean, the summer looked good.
It was decent.
You just signed your players back.
You didn't upgrade really in any position while everyone else was making moves. Signing your players back sounds
great if you had a great team.
With the Lakers,
you really needed a third
star. Landing Kyrie
would have been amazing, especially
if you didn't have to lose AD or LeBron.
That would have been a great pick
for a free agency.
The fact
that he was a free agent,
you telling me you couldn't write no checks under the table?
What's the point of being a billionaire
if you can't write no checks under the table?
Yeah.
Nah, you know, the last team that wrote a check up under the table,
it almost ruined their franchise.
That was Minnesota with the Joe Smith situation.
You remember what it did to the Minnesota Timberwolves
when David Stern found out?
They had an under the table agreement.
It almost
it was almost the equivalent
of the death penalty that
SMU got placed on them
when they were playing
players in the 80s.
Not a fact.
I mean, this is still hunting
them now.
They're still hunting them It is. I mean, this is still hunting them now. It's still hunting them now.
But I mean, sometimes you just got to make a move.
Right.
When you when you know, this is about sacrificing the chances.
Right.
You know, you know what happened.
Let's make a long story short.
The long story short, the Lakers advanced to the Western Conference Finals last year, and they lost
to the eventual champs in the
Denver Nuggets. And they thought
if they had been healthy, healthier
over another year of these guys
playing together, they would be better
served. They thought they had a team.
It was fool's gold because
you got LeBron playing
out of his mind for someone
that age with those many minutes.
A.D. gave you tremendous.
Austin Reeves played him, played his way into the contract that he rightfully earned.
But no one else that you did.
They didn't think.
But what happens to you only think forward thinking, man, we're going to get better.
What happens if those guys don't?
What happens if those guys regress, which is just as good a chance or possibility or likelihood as them getting better based on their history and what we've seen from each individual guy and their tenure in the NBA?
You look at D'Lo, you look at Rui, you look at Vando, you look at Torian Prince.
What has their history shown you?
So if you
look at it like that, we
probably, because you were hoping,
I'm not worried about LeBron.
I'm not worried about,
I wasn't worried about AD. The only thing
you're worried about, can AD stay healthy?
And he's played all the games with the exception of
two. Austin Reed, you
could see from the first year to the second year, you could see leaps and bounds that he had gotten better.
The other guys in their career, in their history, what have they shown you?
Nothing. Slow movement.
But that's the thing with franchises themselves, right?
You're happy with success.
You're not building to think this is chess, right?
What if Denver made a move?
Where would that put us?
What if Clippers made a move, which they did?
What if Suns made a move, which they did, right?
You got to go on it.
What if Boston made a move? They did. What if Bucks made a move, which they did. Right? You got to go on it. What if Boston
made a move? They did.
Bucks made a move, and they did.
So all the
competitors that you would be
fighting for a championship with
actually upgraded.
But you didn't.
They got exponentially better.
You had to be thinking that, hey, when we go
into the summer,
these guys are going to be looking to make moves to jump in front of Denver.
Because as of now, we're not as good or we would have won. So we have to get a piece to get in front of them.
So if you know everyone has to at least get a piece,
you should have been going after that too.
I agree.
Let's move on.
The Clippers beat the Suns 131-122. Paul George, 33 points on 57% field goal shooting, 7 rebounds, 3 assists. Kawhi chipped in with 30 points on 56% field goal shooting, 8 rebounds, 3 assists. And James Harden, 22 points on over 50%, 5 rebounds, 11 assists.
assists.
Clippers look good.
Yes, they do.
Ty Lue got them playing.
And it's not, yeah.
And plus, when you bring Russ,
who's high energy off the bench,
you bring Norman Powell off the bench, you got a nice backup to
Zubat with Daniel Tice.
They got a nice unit.
No, I mean, when it first
happened, you know, you're
thinking in hindsight, how can they all mesh in?
The game itself will play itself out.
These guys are friends.
These guys are home, right?
So the ego is not as high as you would think because they're all actually grown up around each other.
So sacrificing for each other here, no one expected.
But as on paper, you're saying if this team gets hot,
they're going to be dangerous.
And that's what we're seeing now.
It is.
And I think the biggest thing was that Russ,
being the unselfish player that he was,
said, you know what, I head to the bench.
Because I don't know if they could have had this kind of success
if Russ stays in the starting lineup.
So now Russ goes to the bench.
He says, I'll be the leader of the Shock Troops.
And, hey, whatever you guys need, if you need me in there,
in the closing lineup in the fourth quarter, I'm there.
But let me run the Shock Troops.
Harden, PG, Ka Kawhi y'all
handle that and if y'all need
Norman Powell and myself late down the stretch
we're there Terrence Mann you know
Terrence Mann's gonna give you every guy he can
get he's streaky he can get hot he's gonna
play outstanding defense
he's gonna get you a lot of loose balls
they and Ty Lue has them
playing very very well
they're gonna be the only thing that concerns you is how healthy will Kawhi be down the stretch into the playoffs.
Same thing with Paul George.
And that's the and that's the funny thing.
They have so many superstars on one team.
If one is not healthy, they still have three mega guys.
Right. This lets you know the difference between coaches, right?
And, you know, no knock against Ham.
We've seen how Ham dealt with LeBron.
I mean, dealt with Russell, right?
We see how Ham's dealing with D'Lo and, you know, Reeves, right?
Yes.
Right?
And now we see how Ty Lue,
he let the player himself
look at the situation and say,
hey, I'll come off the bench.
Which means because he is choosing to do it,
he's accepted that role.
Which makes it funner.
If you put him on a bench and he wasn't ready to accept it, now you have a role, which makes it funner. If you put him on
the bench and he wasn't ready to accept it, now you
have a bitter guy on the bench,
which means your second unit
is horrible, like the Lakers.
These guys are being benched,
and you're not giving them no chance.
Smart
players, players who really want to win,
they can look and see the writing on the wall,
but for
there to be a smooth sailing,
you have to let them put themselves
on the bench. They have
to do that. You can't do it.
So that's why
the Clippers
is successful right now,
because the guy looked around
and said,
you know what? Hey, I'll come off the bench.
I'll run the second unit and we're going to be good.
Do your thing.
It doesn't hurt that Ty
Lou is a damn good coach.
He was a player.
He was on championship winning teams.
He can flat out coach. And the
mistake that they made, even though they won a championship
with Frank Bogle, is that
the Lakers didn't sign T. Lou.
Yeah.
I mean, even when Frank was here, it's like,
I mean, he ain't better than T. Lou.
Yeah, you played Miami in a championship. I mean, come on.
There should have been a question of why did you lose
two games, to be honest.
You should have lost two games to that team.
We're going to talk about the Devin Booker Paul George,
but KD missed tonight's game with a hamstring injury.
And, you know, last season he missed 35 games.
Let's go back.
Over the last five seasons, KD has missed an average of 29 games a season.
In 2021-22, he missed 27.
In 2021-2021, he missed 27. In 2021- 2021, he missed
37 out of 72.
19-20,
he missed the entire season.
72 games.
At some point in time,
we give Paul George a hard time
by missing games. We give Kawhi a hard
time by missing games. We give Anthony
Davis a hard time by missing games. We give Kawhi a hard time by missing game. We give Anthony Davis a hard time by missing game.
It's right there.
It's right there.
And now
you traded for KD knowing his history.
You traded for Bradley Beal
knowing his history. So
should anybody be surprised
that these guys have
missed? And I know this is only KD's, I think, second or third game that he's missed.
But you look at the minutes.
Because they're so challenged, he having to play 43 minutes.
He's having to play 41 minutes.
He's playing 39 minutes.
He's playing 40 minutes.
With 30 games into the regular season, he's playing those kind of minutes.
Those are playoff minutes that you play.
Facts.
Okay, this is six. Excuse me, Gil.
This is the sixth game that he's missed.
Even with that,
I mean, you're still
in the beginning of
the season where you're trying to get
a certain type of rhythm. Bill's been out,
so he's been doing all the heavy
lifting. That's a toll on him.
Just like Sean. It's a
toll on these older guys
for doing all the heavy lifting.
We can say it's
hamstring, but this might be one of those
we could take a day off,
let Bill get some run,
get some of the touches.
Was it load management?
This might be a load management time.
So you never know really what's behind the curtain.
I think we're just all waiting to see
when all three of them are playing together
and they have 10, 15 games into their system together,
what do they look like?
And I think our frustration is we can't judge them yet.
And we don't have a grade for them
because as a whole, we don't know what they all look like.
Are we sure they're going to be able to get a 15-game stretch together
based on their history?
I mean, let's just be honest, Gil.
Look at Bill's history.
Look at KD's history.
Book's been pretty healthy. Now, his ham Bill's history. Look at KD's history.
Booker's been pretty healthy.
Now, his hamstring, he kind of got a bulky wheel also.
But what's the likelihood that we're going to see a stretch where these guys play somewhere 15, 20 games together?
After All-Star break?
Right?
The way it's looking now, I'm assuming after All-Star break
because when KD comes back, I'm pretty sure Booker's going to probably
take a little break.
You know what I mean?
This is chess, son.
Booker taking a couple breaks, and then after All-Star break,
there's 32 games left, round of 32, 33.
Let's move.
It's going to be very interesting, because that All-Star game,
ain't no guarantee Book's going to get selected.
With the way Shea's playing, you still got Steph Curry,
who's a fan favorite, and you got Luka.
Man, we're not doing that to book every year.
We're not doing that to book every year.
Gil, Gil, all honesty.
You putting him in over Shea?
You putting him in over Steph?
Or you putting him in over Luka?
I ain't mentioned De'Aaron Fox.
Who's giving you 30 a night?
Hey, listen,
because there's going to be a power forward
in there that don't belong.
There's going to be a power forward
that don't belong in there.
And they do that every year.
They do that every year.
It ain't a whole lot,
because you think about it.
You got Bron, KD, AD.
You got Sabonis.
Those are really, that's really only bigs.
Him, right?
Come on.
He's not.
He's not.
He's really a five.
Let's just say he's a five.
They don't really have, I mean, come on now.
I understand Gobert, but come on now.
What are we going to do with Gobert?
But that's the point.
The whole thing about the All-Star game is this.
When you're doing reserves, right,
you're voting.
They tell you to vote for the best seven
or the best eight.
You vote for the best eight
and then someone puts them in position.
Right.
So in reality,
Book can have the third most votes as a starter,
but because they have two guards in front of him,
now they got to fill the roster up with power forwards and wing guys.
And it's like, that's unfair.
Because you know Steph.
Steph is probably going to win the fan vote.
He's Steph Curry.
Jock came back.
So we don't know what the fans are going to do for Jock himself.
He ain't beating Steph
because Steph has already been
a captain. You know how many votes
you got to be to be a captain.
You're right.
Now you...
Jock's back. Now you got Jock,
you got Shea, you got
Luka, you got Steph,
you got D-Fox, and you got Book.
You can't take six guards. But you should.
But what I'm saying is
think about it.
If those six guards
are all averaging 30 and they're
in the top eight in scoring
that is horrible to
say these ain't all stars.
They aren't all stars. They shouldn't
be competing against each other.
They should be competing against the people that's being selected to.
So if it's me versus Rudy, whose numbers is better?
Mine's.
I'll get the rebound, goddammit.
I think what's going to happen is that some of these guards are going to get left
because they're going to have to have some bigs.
And there's a chance that Rudy Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns,
because those are the biggest guys.
AD and LeBron's going to make it.
KD's going to make it.
And you got Sabonis.
I mean, you got Joker.
Yeah, Yoke's going to make it.
So you have the starting two guards.
I mean, the two guards.
So it makes it tough because L Luca and Steph will be starting.
Now you have Shea, who's the MVP candidate, coming off the guard.
Yes.
Yes.
And so you look at it.
And Dee Fox is giving you what?
What he's giving you.
And you got Ja.
I think Ja coming back late, that might hurt him,
especially with the reporters.
I think the players and the fans, it's all contingent.
But I think it's going to hurt him with the reporters.
The players, they love Ja, and rightfully so,
because he's watching him being at a game
and watching him, how he elevates and how he can get toward his body.
And he's not a big man as far
as far as you know
thin frame to go to take
that pounding because it's like every time he's
elevating he's landing on the floor.
But it's going to be
a very very tough situation. I
don't envy the guys that having to make that
make that decision because somebody
is going to miss an all-star game because
they happen to play a position,
play a position.
And that,
uh,
and it sucks because you've already changed the format,
right?
You,
when you got scared that,
um,
Petrula,
was it Petrula who almost,
who almost made it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The very next year you changed it up, right?
So you change it for when you want to.
If six guards in the West are the top six players in the West Coast, right?
You have to change it for them.
You can't say, oh, Booker, you're not an all-star, which you're not an all-star, but you're going to be an
all-NBA player. That's the
downside of it. He doesn't make top
24, but he becomes top 15.
And then the guy who you put as
a top 24 is not even going to make
any of those lists. That's the
horrible part about that.
And you look,
it happens in all sports.
Every year there's a receiver
or there's a running back or there's a lineman
offense defense that someone
thinks that should have made it and didn't make it
and
oh we forgot Ant-Man
with Ant-Man they're going to put him as a
wing so he gets to make it
oh they're going to
list him as a wing
and he gets to make it. Oh, they're going to list him as a wing? Yeah, they're going to list him as a wing
and he gets to make it.
Yeah, it's going to be very...
Hey, oh, so what are they going to list
Kawhi and PG as?
See?
Yo, you forget.
And James Harden.
What are you going to list him as?
That's what I said.
If Book is going to have troubles
making it average and damn
28-8-8, but
they got Ant-Man as a guard
in the All-Star voting.
So if they got him as
a guard, then they'll take
they'll probably take
Ant-Man and
they'll probably take Ant-Man and
where's Fox's record at where were they record
I think they just I think
did they hold on to beat Orlando tonight
hold on
they in double OT is 136
with 4.2 seconds
Sacramento's up
138 135
19 and 13
um
18 and 16.
I mean, it'd be close between Fox
and Booker that it'd be with Ant-Man.
Yeah.
De'Aaron Fox is not having a good night
tonight.
So bonus is
22,
23, and 12.
Yeah, see, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
So it's him, Cat.
They're going to sneak in. But Ka, Cat, they're going to sneak in.
Kawhi,
they're going to sneak up.
They're going to find a way to put the players that they want in,
but it's usually
a guard that gets
messed up because the guard nows are
the more dominant players.
I'm looking at
Luka Doncic is averaging 33.
Shea Gilgis is averaging 31.
Darren Fox is averaging 30.
Steph Curry is averaging 28.
Anthony Simons is averaging 27.
Ant-Man is averaging 27.
Devin Booker is averaging 26.
Jha is averaging 26.
Oh, I left out Kyrie too.
Follow me.
See, they'll keep him out because you ain't playing enough games.
They'll try to make an excuse.
Some years,
it's just very difficult.
When Steve Nash
was MVP,
he came off the bench in the All-Star game.
Yeah. He had T-Mac
and Kobe
at the goal.
Nobody's surprised by that.
You know, so
you know, it's it's so
hey, look, I'm going to remember when they
voted magic magic wasn't even playing and they
voted him into the all-star game and he started
and won the MVP down in Orlando because
I win.
So you voted in.
Yeah, you absolutely right. If they want to get
you in, they can get you into that ball game.
Yes.
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There was something
that happened. Devin Booker on
Paul George beat on beat.
They asked him before the game.
He says it's just hoops.
Do you think fans care more about
players beat than players actually care about the beat? When it comes to beats in the NBA, He says it's just hoops. Do you think fans care more about players' beef
than players actually care about the beef?
Yeah, when it comes to beef in the NBA,
it really has to be something personal.
Yeah.
Us jibber-jabbing on the court,
I'm winning, I'm talking, you can't guard me.
Yeah, I got four.
Like what Klay did to Book.
I got four.
Klay was in his feelings.
He was in his feelings.
I got four of these.
But they ain't got nobody.
That has nothing to do with me busting your ass right now.
The Reeves can't help me.
The Reeves can't help me today.
But that's it.
That's where we leave it at.
So I think sometimes when the players go back on,
when they go back and forth on Twitter or social media,
I think the fan base themselves like
really take on to it like it's a
real thing.
This is just court stuff.
Yeah, I think the fans
like it because the fans like to know that
players genuinely dislike
each other. Because the old guard,
they didn't fraternize as much as
the guys currently do, but I think
it had a lot to do.
A lot of these guys played on the same AAU team.
A lot of these guys grew up playing against each other.
It's not like, oh, the first time I meet you is at the McDonald's All-American game,
or we met one time at an AAU tournament I've seen in years.
These guys start growing up, traveling,
and playing against each other.
They're 10, 12 years of age.
So from that point on, they see each other every summer.
They see each other.
And if they fortunately have to go to college, they see each other.
And then so they built up a friendship.
It's like LeBron and Melo.
Bro, they started playing against each other when they were juniors in high school.
So they built up a friendship.
And a lot of these guys like Ja and Zion, they're on the same team.
But friendship.
Listen, if usually our best friend is the person we go to war with the most.
Right. Right.
From video games to sports to to really anything.
That's who we compete with the most.
So the competition on the court is competition.
The friends that are on the court are going to go at each other the most.
Charles Barkley and Jordan were friends.
We're going to go all night, right?
Jordan going to try to get him so drunk that he can't play tomorrow.
Right.
They're friends, right?
Isaiah Thomas and Magic. They're magic different but what happens when that
game start yeah what's that game start it's livelihood period oh yeah right i don't want
you to have bragging right because i already know you talk ish so you ain't gonna be talking to
someone we playing golf or we playing something you remember but nah no you're not gonna have that
because the thing and and I had Magic,
and I had Isaiah on my podcast club,
Shay Shay Magic said,
his teammates wanted to know,
man, you all buddy-buddy with Isaiah.
What you going to do?
Isaiah came down the lane.
They saw what he was going to do.
Like, okay.
Okay, okay.
I'm going to stay the boat in his butt.
That's what I'm going to do.
And that's how it is.
Like, you rarely have, like,
the Jordan Isaiah Thomas
right where in a sense
is Jordan probably
thought the way he was being
hit was personal
and not the game
like are y'all doing this on purpose
this ain't bad but they beat the hell out
of everybody like that there's a reason
why they adopted the bad boys they had Raiders
jerseys on because they
had that mentality because that's how the Raiders
were outlaws.
Anything went. They'd clothesline you. They'd rip
your head off. They kicked it. They didn't matter.
And so they adopted that style,
that physical style in the
Knicks and Miami. But if you go back
and look at it, the Boston
and L.A. was playing like that
before the Pistons were.
No facts.
Go look when Kevin
McHale snatched Kurt Rambo's ass out of Scott.
That's how
they played.
I guess
it's like this. If Isaiah
and Jordan had some
type of friendship, because
Isaiah basically was running Chicago and
Jordan's coming in, so he's protected.
Now your team is
doing this to me when we're playing basketball.
I can see how it
can rub you the wrong way.
You're not shaking my hand.
We shake y'all hands. It became more
personal than on court stuff.
Gil, I'm a little
older than you,
but I'm old enough to remember this.
Isaiah and them didn't start walking off the court.
Go back and look at the Celtics.
When the Pistons beat the Celtics,
go look and see who walked off the court.
Celtics, yes.
But everybody forgot that.
It's about Isaiah Winship.
But ain't nobody mentioned.
Go back and look it up.
If y'all think I'm lying,
go back and look it up
when the Pistons finally broke through and beat the Celtics.
And watch what the Celtics did.
Listen, I get it.
But this is between me and you.
Y'all beat us last year.
We shook your hands.
We beat you this year.
We don't get the same respect.
But that's the same thing Isaiah was saying about the Celtics.
When y'all beat us all of the year, we shook y'all hand. Now we finally get the same respect, but that's the same thing that Isaiah was saying about the Celtics. When y'all beat us all the year,
we shook y'all hand.
Now we finally get the upper hand,
but see,
everybody made it seem like
this was the first time
that it actually happened
and Isaiah was the orchestrator
of it.
No, the Celtics,
they did it a couple years before that.
They did it a couple years before.
But, you know,
they like the Celtics.
They ain't like Isaiah.
They ain't like Isaiah. They ain't like Isaiah.
Nah, hell nah.
The Pacers
beat the Bucs 142-130.
The Pacers are now 4-1
against Milwaukee this season.
You know, the game got a little chippy
because remember what happened after
the ball incident. You know what I'm saying?
Yanni's got, what, Yanni scored 62,
63 points? 64 points. And one guy I'm saying? Giannis got what? Giannis scored 62, 63 points?
And one guy had
one point, and he got the game ball.
And Giannis said, they say I got the game
ball, but it don't feel like the game ball.
Tyrese Halliburton,
another monster night, 31 points,
12 assists, three blocks, zero
turnover. He became the second player in
NBA history with a 30-10-3-0.
30 points, at least 30 points, least 12 uh assists with three blocks and zero turnovers now remember he put together
back-to-back 20 points one was a 20 20 assists zero turnovers and the other was a 23 2 turnover
there was what's going on with the paces having Having watched the Pacers, I've watched the Pacers a little bit
because I like to get up and down,
but I watched them at the end-season tournament at the NBA Finals.
They're looking to run at any chance.
Yeah.
Make or miss.
They'll get it off the rim and run, or they'll take it out the net and run.
But you better get back.
Yep.
Now, they ain't going to play no defense.
They're not playing no defense.
And even Rick Carlisle said, even your girlfriend at some point in time is going to leave you if you're not playing defense. They're not going to playing no defense and even rick carlisle said even your girlfriend at some point
time gonna leave you if you're not playing defense they're not gonna play no defense
but i'll tell you what you better get back because if you don't they'll run you out the gym
it reminds me of like that early 2000 j kid you know you got j kid uh carrie kittles, you got RJ, and that New Jersey
net team where
as soon as you scored,
they're coming down the line. There was no time for celebration
because they were coming back at you.
Mixed with the shooting
of when Sons and Steve Nash
got there.
It's the
perfect team
for Hallie.
You have a bunch of guys who can
make shots. What he has
to do is just find you.
And when you have
guys like this,
this is, what's so funny,
this is like the type of players
Braun needs.
These, the Smith,
Brown, Turner, he needs
those type of guys who can hit the open
shot, take the open shot
so he can, the court is
open.
Scoring, I mean, making
20 assists in today's
game, right, seems
easy, but it's not.
Hell no, because you're depending
on somebody making a shot. It's not. Not, hell no. Because you're dependent on somebody making a shot.
And it's not like laying the ball up.
Like with Magic, I think when Magic had that 20 assist,
he had Kareem.
Kareem throwing the sky hook,
which is a very high-procent shot.
If you look at the Pacers, man, they got a, wow.
They were 25 or 34 from three.
Well, you're going to win a lot of games.
You shoot, you miss nine threes, and you make over 20,
you're going to win that ball game.
You're going to win that ball game.
They dropped a 47-point third quarter on Milwaukee Head.
And that's the thing that they can do.
You look at it, they got one, two, three, four, five, six.
They got seven guys in double figures.
They got two guys with nine.
So they're looking to push the ball.
So all that missing and
you're looking for a foul,
the moment you shoot a
shot or you miss a layup and you
look at the official,
they got that ball off the rim, they gone.
And so you talking to the official,
just stay right there. They're going to get you the ball
back again. They done laid it
in the hoop or they done made a shot.
They get the ball up and Halliburton,
man, he
is good, man, because I saw him making some
passes. It's like he jumps in the
air and you're like, oh, man, he better pass the
ball to the corner. Now he bounced past it
to the guy right up under the basket and he
dunks it in the hoop. What's so funny is I seen him in Vegas
working out for Golden State.
When he was coming into the draft, I'm I seen him in Vegas working out for Golden State. So when he was coming into the draft, I'm
in Vegas, he's working out for Golden State.
And I remember he was trying to stand
on his tippy toes to be a little bit taller.
Right? Right.
He didn't want to be 6'4". He wanted to be
a little bit of 6'5".
And
he asked me a question like, you're watching
my game and I'm looking at his shot and
I'm like, man, his shot is sweet.
And I said, it reminds me of like Kevin Martin, right?
Yeah.
And I said, if you create a pump fake with your mechanics, you will destroy because it all looks the same because you have to wind it up.
So if you hit the wind up, everyone's going to jump.
Once you realize the same mechanics as your shot and your pump fake,
trust me, you're going to eat in this league.
And to see that same player who was nervous about his height,
working out, trying to see if he can make it in the NBA,
destroying it right now, is like, wow.
I'm looking at the Bucs.
Giannis gave you 26 and 11.
Dame gave you 23, 9 and 10 from free throw.
Didn't shoot the ball from three.
Didn't shoot overall for well.
He was 6 of 18, 2 of 8 from three.
Have we seen enough?
Are we still holding out judgment
on the Milwaukee? What do we need to see?
What are we missing?
A growl?
It's like,
where is your
horns?
The Dome Bucks got some shit. Where is it?
Cause no one is scared of you.
No one is scared of this team.
These are supposed to be a champion.
When,
when Dane got there,
everybody was like,
Oh,
this is,
but no one's paying attention to you guys.
And that's the bad part.
Yana 64 and you're doing,
and you average what?
38, 40 against this team before,
but they're not afraid of you.
And since you don't have no fear factor
coming into the game,
as long as the game is close,
teams feel they have a chance, right?
And that's what made the Bulls great, right?
People were afraid of them. When Goldens great right people were afraid of them when golden
popping people were afraid of them but you know as great as the bulls were offensive because of
mike they locked you down defense like they went scotty pipp they went jordan they went hard they
went rodman where are you going nowhere and theyhere. And they just took turns picking you up 94.
Mm-hmm.
It's like, okay, Pip, you got him the first quarter.
Okay, Harp, you got him the second quarter.
Okay, Jordan, hey, you got him.
Yep.
When you have got, and you think, you look at Milwaukee.
Giannis is an all-defensive player.
Brooke Lopez is an all-defensive player.
Bobby Portis plays great interior defense.
You got Beasley.
Beasley's supposed to be a defender.
Middleton?
Middleton, that knee injury or the foot injury, whatever he is,
he's not the same.
I know, but it's not enough.
Listen, you have enough defense.
Oh, you should have more than enough.
You should have more than enough. You should have more than enough.
You don't have Indiana defense?
No, no, no, no, no.
You got two all-NBA defensive players
and Lopez and Giannis.
But you can't stop nobody.
Yes.
It's just they don't...
It's something going on
within themselves
and I don't know if they're
not. They haven't
turned it on destroy mode yet.
Yeah, but Brook Lopez
at 7'2", got to give me more than five rebounds.
No, no. That's it.
That's it.
You know what he does?
What he does great
is he boxes. His man,
he boxes out everybody.
That's the old school ball.
Let the ball hit the floor and somebody else comes in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's what he does.
Like, I was wondering because I'm like, wait, what are you doing down there?
And I'm just watching him because, you know, I made little plays here and there.
So I only need like six rebounds.
Right.
And I'm watching him and he's just,
he's boxing out everyone.
He's making sure every,
no one else gets this ball.
And it's hard for him to get rebounds because he's hovering out around the
three point line.
So like when he's,
when he's down there on the defensive end,
yeah,
he can grab the rebound,
but it's hard because he's looking to shoot threes.
Yeah.
And so God is shooting three.
You're not going to expect him
to get,
you know,
13,
14 rebounds.
Although,
he should give me more than five
at seven foot tall.
Gil,
we got to dress this elephant
in the room.
I don't know if you saw it today,
but I saw it.
He ginormous.
And he,
he been causing the stirrers
since,
I had Cat Williams on my podcast.
Oh, man.
Man, Gil.
And the thing is, is that when he came, I had reached out to Cat last year.
And he said he was going to get to him.
But in the meantime, I've had Steve Harvey on the pod.
I've had Cedric the Entertainer on the pod.
I've had Michael Blackstone on the pod.
Ricky Smiley on the pod.
And so everybody's got, with the exception of Steve.
Steve didn't really tell any stories about the comedy thing.
He just told how he started out in comedy and ended up, you know, Steve is really positive now.
No matter what you think of him, I like Steve.
I talk to Steve from time to time.
He's been great to me. And I can
only judge someone by the experience
that I have dealing with said person.
But
when, so
you know, we make a little small chit chat. We're both
getting mic'd up. And so I'm thinking to myself, you know, I got little small chit chat we're both getting mic'd up and so i'm thinking to myself you know i got questions i always send questions
so i said questions for anywhere between three hours i'd say three hours if they got that kind
of time good but i'm thinking can't wait if they're gonna you know because he don't really
do a whole lot he doesn't do a whole lot of posting and he doesn't do a whole lot of sit
down and like he said you know i gotta feel
like i want to i ain't telling a product i'm not selling a book i don't i don't promote my shows
i gotta feel like i want to come talk to said individual yeah individual even though i'm not
selling anything and he told me say now you got a great platform he said i love how you let the uh
the guests talk let them share their story you
don't interrupt blah blah blah so i'm like okay cool you know well actually i said the interview
for about an hour and a half that's what i go but i always have a couple of cards that if we need to
go a little longer i can get some stuff in so the interview goes 246 now mind you i got another i
still got questions for another 20, 30 minutes.
So we really could have gone over three hours.
But at that point in time,
I'm exhausted.
So, you know, I do my interview.
Hey, welcome to another edition of Club Shea Shea.
I'm your host, also a proprietor, blah, blah,
blah. And then I read around his
accolades, what he or she has done.
And so we take, I say, when you come
on, he took a shot.
Gil, before I ask one question, he went 30 minutes.
So now as the interview, he interview, excuse me, as the interviewer, I'm going in my head.
Do I cut him off and get to the line of questioning or do I let him go?
You like to let him go? You're like,
let him go.
God, you're in control. Take the wheel.
And he went.
I see.
He went. And that little licker hit his body.
Shook him.
Like he said,
I don't need to be motivated.
The truth doesn't matter. He says,
I'm going to tell the truth. I'm going to set the record straight.
And he's asking me, he said, well, why did you?
I say, Cat, I'm assuming when someone comes on my show
and they're telling me something that no one else has heard,
I'm assuming they're telling me the truth.
Yes.
Because only said individual was there with no.
Yeah.
So you're asking me, well, why didn't you correct this?
Hell, I wasn't on the set.
So I couldn't, you know what I'm saying? I can't correct it. This is your
opportunity to set the record straight.
Man. What's so funny,
that happens in a lot of interviewers when they
say, you know, why didn't you ask them
this? How the fuck
am I supposed to know?
You should have called in
and, you know know rebuttaled
but you know
and I've done as much research as I possibly
can we do our due diligence
we make sure we find as much as we
possibly can and sometimes we're
able to find nuggets in their heads like
who told you this how did you find
this because we do a deep
dive and so
my team CJ
mainly CJ,
he does as great a job as he possibly can.
And I was like, well, CJ, did you hear about this?
And there are some things that I've heard over the years
that we asked and people, they asked.
They're like, well, how did you hear this?
Where did you get this from?
I said, I got my sources too.
So we try to make sure that we cover everything and we as thorough as
possible.
But my thing is Gil is that look,
you come to my platform,
you talk,
I'm not trying to,
you know,
trying to,
I'm not trying to be no,
I had no idea what cat was going to go.
I had some,
the only thing that I really,
that he,
like I said,
he went 30 minutes and I didn't even get a question in.
I didn't ask him where he was from, how old he was, how many brothers and sisters he had.
I didn't ask him anything.
He just says, this is what I, this is what's on my mind.
Yeah.
But that's what makes for a great interview sometimes.
You know what I mean?
Because, you know, he probably listened to that interview and felt some type of way, obviously did.
But, you know, it's,
you have,
it's like having,
you have the ball in your hand,
right?
Yes, yes.
He had the ball in his hand.
Yes.
Right, he's making the call.
They're coming to him,
like he said,
I'm getting all these,
these things,
and I'm trying to change it.
I'm saying I'm not going to do this.
I don't want this.
I don't want that.
Well, how long before they stop asking you to do stuff?
If you're going to keep denying and trying to change something, right?
Before they just move on.
So I think the problem is the balls you didn't want, someone else picked them up and became a star with it.
Right. Right. Now you want to try to diminish the person's stardom. Right.
He's a plant. No. He probably was a plant. Now he's a fucking tree.
He's a tree now. Right. He's done got his roots into these ground and he's stabilized.
got his roots into these grounds and he's
stabilized.
And I think that's the problem.
When he had the ball,
I don't think he capitalized
the way he wanted to. Genius.
What he does is great.
His movie roles, excellent.
He plays the hell out of them.
Some of the roles
he dodged
rightfully so. Some movie roles he should have took.
Right.
But that's his decision.
He made the decision.
Somebody else said, I'll do it.
Right.
And they took off.
You can't blame a man for taking a job that you didn't want to take.
No, absolutely not.
And I think the thing is that when I told people, I was like, look, out the gate in 24, I said, we're going
to break the internet. I said, the guy
that I got last, the person that I got teed
up. Gil, you know
like, a lot of times
and I've done over a hundred of these
just for Club Shea Shea, much more because
I used to do a lot of interviews when I was CBS.
And so,
and you're like,
I think this is going be really really really good but
you don't know you don't know because there have been some that i thought i did an excellent job
and it didn't get the the views the likes the mention and didn't go viral like i thought it
would and i did some i thought it was okay but it just took off yeah but this one i had a sense
yeah and i remember i remember asking you, talking to Jordan and talking to CJ
and the makeup
and it's like,
what you think?
And everybody was just,
they were just shaking their head.
I was like,
what?
They're like,
you don't get,
they're like,
Shannon,
this is going to go crazy.
I see.
I don't know
because, you know, I'm trying to go crazy. Yeah. I see. I don't know.
Because, you know, I'm trying to stay in my role as the interviewer and not pick a side.
You know, I'm going to, you know, he says something funny.
I'm going to laugh.
But I'm trying to stay as straight and narrow as I possibly can.
I just I'm not trying to push him in any direction.
You just go.
You just do you.
Hey, and I'm going to try to follow you wherever you go and but I'm
you know there's something that I think that the audience
is going to want to follow up to I'm going
to try to get that in there yeah
but
Gil I mean I remember walking out
and CJ the
producer of the show he called he's like
Shannon this is going to blow
up the internet I said you think so I said I think
it was good he's like no you haven't done anything like this and it go it go crazy it's because you
have because there's a history in the guests you had already laid the dominoes up for someone who's saying, wait, hold on.
I got the ace cards on all y'all.
Hold on.
That's not how this played out.
And he gets to show his Trump.
And that's what that was.
There were some episodes that I did and not like this one where someone is getting to Trump and make himself like, no, that's not what happened.
That's not what happened.
But I had some that after we finished, I said, yo, we're going to blow.
But how does he look at me after this?
Because sometimes when you're doing an interview
and a guy gets so comfortable,
he starts saying some things that,
I mean, because that's the thing, Gil.
I'm cool with Steve Harvey.
I'm cool with Ricky Smiley.
I'm cool with Sad Entertainment.
I'm cool with Kevin Hart.
I know Michael Blackson a little bit,
but I don't know him.
I don't have his number.
But a lot of the people that he, Earthquake, but I don't know him. I don't have his number.
But a lot of the people that he – Earthquake.
Earthquake, my dog.
I talk to Earthquake all the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, he's the guy that I talk to more than any of those guys.
But do I have conversations with Steve Harvey?
Absolutely.
Have I talked to Kevin Hart?
Yeah.
Been to Kevin's house, checked his car collection, and just saw him at an event the other night.
So I have a personable relationship.
I'm not saying we boys, they come to my house and I go to their house,
but we have a
friendly relationship
that we cool.
And so my thing is, I'm like, well,
that's the hardest
part, because he's talking,
he's saying things about people,
and I'm like, man,
I say the best thing for me to just to be Switzerland,
stay neutral,
ask the questions.
And then I'm going to let the view view and audience.
I'm not taking a side.
I'm gonna let the view and audience take their side.
Cedric has already responded.
Michael Blackson has responded.
I don't think,
I don't think,
I don't know if Cat's going to respond.
But it wasn't our faith.
One of our faithful said,
that damn LaPorte is true, sir.
Cat took one sip.
Nah.
Hey, what?
No, actually, we got,
Jordan can tell you,
we could have, should have had the cameras rolling when he walked in.
Oh, he was gone already.
And, and, and, and already. And but, you know,
and I don't think
a lot of people really understand, like,
when you're coming from the
athletic side, you have more integrity.
Right?
Beat writer, right?
Who's trying to make their name off of
interviews. There's some where I
had to erase a whole
20, 30 minutes of rants.
I'm like, oh, nah.
If you want to do this on your own,
do it on your own,
but I'm not going to put this out
and then you look at me
and like, why did you protect me?
Yes.
And that's the thing.
I'm like, wow.
And so I just hope, the from the looks of it, fans have really liked it.
That was our goal was to try. Look, my goal is always the same deal.
I try to do the best content I possibly can. I try to get people that I believe people that subscribe, listen, view, watch, download Club Shay Shay want to hear from. And for the most part, I can't get one or two stories that they haven't told or they haven't told in a long time.
And if they have told people don't remember.
And so what Cat did, I mean, he did. He did me a solid.
I mean, because, you know, I didn't think I was going to be able to get him as soon as I did.
I didn't.
And at the end of the day, and what I've decided to do, I'm still Club Shea Shea's best booking agent.
Yes, I have a company.
I got two companies that help, but I'm the best booking agent.
So I'm just going to go back to, you know, Hey, get on my phone.
Hey bro. Hey, or go to people's DMS.
Yeah. Listen, it was a good, it was a good interview. I mean,
there's nothing there's, you know, you know, this is between them.
They all said their piece and he got to say his right.
That's how this was. He's just having to be last. You know, the man he got to say his. That's how this works.
He's just having to be last.
You know the man's having to be last.
The person that laughed the loudest laughed last.
That's the last laugh that you heard.
Yeah.
And
because I follow
because I follow comedy
so much, I know all these
guys joke. I know their material.
I know, like, I sound like this guy's, right?
You know, I used to BET.
Oh, yeah, Comedy View and Def Comedy Jam.
Absolutely.
And Apollo.
Yeah.
That's why my humor sounds like the 90s.
Yeah.
Right?
It sounds like the 90s, that rough, rugged rugged cory holcomb straight at you type of
yeah type of humor you know what i mean so yes guys were like man you should have blow what
happened right um you know so this has been a war for a long time yeah with this group right with
this group um so it's one of those things where because there's only allowed right now, only a few
comedians that can be at the top
when you get that spot.
The only thing you really can do is
try to give parts to
everyone else.
I think where Kevin
has thrived for himself
is when he can't
do something, he puts someone else on.
Yeah.
Right.
If he can't do something,
he puts someone else on.
Right.
When you was in that position,
if you didn't think of that,
you can't get mad that he's doing it.
Right.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Because him,
you know,
Kat and Mike Epps, they both
beefing with the same
person.
He's just a man on the top and he's
smarter not to let it go now.
Yeah.
That's how I am with my podcast
is that I'm in a position now
having a media company
and I get an opportunity to try to
help someone that want to help someone that want to
help themselves that want that want to work because my whole thing is predicated on hard work and
discipline now if you don't bring those things to the table it's not going to work for you and I
so let's not waste any you know let's not waste your time and more importantly not let's not
waste mine if you want to work if you disciplined, if you want to grow this thing, yes, I'm probably a guy that can help you.
And if I can't, hey, I'll point you in a different direction.
Maybe we want different things.
Maybe you want X and I can only give you T.
But that's OK.
But it was a great interview.
I'm glad you guys have received it very, very well.
It's doing very, very, very, very well on social media.
So thank you guys.
I want to get that out because you guys were,
you guys were blowing the chat up.
The Warriors doesn't seem like Draymond is even close to coming back.
Ask if he's been in contact with Draymond.
Steve Kerr said a little bit.
We text, but we're giving him his face, and he's giving us ours.
Is he going to be
back before the All-Star game, Gil?
The thing is,
if you're the Warriors,
do you want him back before
the All-Star game, right? Or do you
want him back at all?
I think
that's the question, Gil. It all depends
on how Kaminga's playing.
My decision is going to be off Kaminga.
What am I trying to do with the rest of the season?
Am I trying to savor it?
Are we trying to make the playoffs?
If not, hey, Draymond, take as much time as you want.
You're not in a rush.
Your mental health is more important than you coming in here winning you know trying to win
games so right now it's more about you know relax take a break recalibrate and think about what you
want to do with the next four years or five years of your career it's tough yeah it's really tough
gail because draymond is has meant so much to this organization.
And when you mean so much, it's hard to let
go.
And the question
that I asked, and I had this conversation
with Perk. I said, well, Perk, let me
pitch it to you like this. It seems
to me, anytime someone
tried to challenge Draymond for that
big three, he lashed out if you look at
him with Kevin Durant because all of a sudden KD comes in there I mean look I understand you guys
have been there you had won before KD but I don't think that was the time of the place and KD's like
give me that rock give me that rock and Draymond like Draymond was like hey bro I was making plays
before you got here yep give you nothing get down there there and I'm going to get you the ball.
So that.
You see Jordan Poole.
Now all of a sudden Jordan Poole coming off a great season.
They mentioned Jordan Poole.
He's a new member of the Big Three.
Kaminga.
So it seems like Draymond didn't want to give up that spot as a member of the Big Three.
Or his spot as the member maybe he now all
of a sudden it's four but you're not three and it seems like he lashes out when he feels that
onslaught coming on what what do you think well is there any validity any truth to what i'm saying
what what do you think's going on with draymond that's the real thing it's like it's like um if
anybody's a pet lover and you have a dog right right? You had a dog for years, been loyal to you, and you're bringing a new dog, right?
Yeah.
That old dog is jealous.
Yes, absolutely.
And it's going to nitpick.
It's going to bark.
It's going to do whatever it takes to get rid of it, right?
We know that, right?
The same thing in locker rooms, right?
He devoted himself to this team, these players.
And just like anything, you got to upgrade.
He devoted himself to this team, these players.
And just like anything, you got to upgrade.
And you being a psychofascial lamb, I don't think he was ready for it.
You know, when KD came on, KD's name was KD.
And he's like, I'm not no fourth wheel member here.
I'm not the one out.
Like, when you put the billboard, I'm there.
It's the big three billboard.
It's the big three billboard.
It probably did hurt his pride a little bit.
If it wasn't going to change the way
he played, it would probably change some of the
outbursts towards teammates.
That's the difference between
a Dennis Rodman, a UD,
Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason's them.
They didn't do it to their teammates.
No.
Right.
That's the thing.
Look, I understand that that's the problem,
is that you lashing out of the teammate.
And it's tough.
It's tough when you bend that dog
and it's like, nah, bro, you ain't
finna come up here.
It's like kids.
A kid is the only kid for a while
and you bring a new kid in there and see what happens
if you don't pay attention to it.
Usually we talk about pets.
We talk about kids we talk about we
talk about kids yes it's just natural i i think the thing is for for for me i the way i looked
at it here is like look there is enough pie for all of us to eat now we might not get the same
slice i understood that john elway and terrellrell Davis was going to get the biggest slice of the pie
or cake or whatever dessert it
was. But we
won. I don't get to eat.
I might not have got three scoops like they did,
but that one scoop was going to be well
plenty. And I
don't think enough guys think like that. It's like,
but it's not the three scoops that I'm
normally getting. And that's what it is it's not the three scoops that I'm normally getting.
And that's what it is.
I was getting three scoops.
Now you say you want to give two scoops, two of my scoops to him.
I don't know him like that.
Right.
He got two of my scoops.
I'm stuck with one.
Nah.
And time, time comes.
You get replaced.
You get moved. And you got to understand the pecking order of just the game itself.
When you was the third option, you did your job.
We would not have four rings without you.
Right?
You have done it.
You've done what you've done.
You put us in a position to keep moving forward.
Right.
Right.
And I don't think sometimes
we understand that part.
The decision is going to be hard.
And I think that's why
the main guy stepped down
and gave it to Dunleavy.
You make this move.
Yeah.
I don't want to make this
because I'm attached to it.
I just like trying to tell one of your kids, hey, you got to go.
You can't go back here.
And sometimes you can't do that.
And I wouldn't be able to.
You won four championships with me.
I don't know if I can let you go like that.
I would probably just be on the thing like, hey, I'm going to pay you,
but I'm not going to play.
I don't want to trade you because I want you to
retire here. There's just so much
when it comes to the loyalty part that
it's going to be hard. You know what I mean?
It is.
But you know what? The way I looked at it
in every situation is that
I looked at it like I left it better than I found it.
Yeah.
And if you are what you believe you are, you will never be forgotten.
I haven't played football in 20 years.
But I tell you what, in Baltimore, they remember what I did with the Ravens.
They remember what I did in Denver.
That's all I can do.
I can come there and give you everything I possibly got.
I'm going to lay it all on the line for you.
But when it's my time, when you say, Shannon, it's your time to leave.
Got to go.
I appreciate the two years you gave me.
I appreciate the 12 years you gave me.
That's it.
Hey, you know, I hope he's in good spirit.
I hope he's taking his time.
You know, not reflect on why you were suspended.
Reflect on the great things you have done for the game.
I think sometimes when we're penalized, we try to figure out why are we in this position.
What could I have done to...
are we in this position right and you know what could i have done to sit back and like think about your rookie season and how you won your four championship right think about the good things
you did because in real time we don't we don't look at our life we don't look into your life
until you're done and you get to go over plays that you forgot because you were a machine-like player.
Right now, he gets to sit back and reflect
on the greatness he's done.
Think about Gil.
The man was a second-round draft pick.
If somebody would have told him,
say, you know what?
We're going to let you play a decade plus.
You win four titles.
You'll win defensive player of the year.
You'll be an all-NBA player.
Man, he would have jumped on that with both feet.
What?
Yes.
Yes, sir.
And I think that's what he needs to think about.
All of us.
When Katie heard his Achilles, I said, think about how great you played up until now.
Yes.
Reflect on what you've done great
so you know where you're going later.
When you get back healthy,
you have a clear path in where you're going.
And I said, take it from me,
I was so into the moment
of trying to get my place back
that I didn't even enjoy the process.
I put so much stress on myself to try to get back my game that I didn't
realize that I wasn't healthy.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
I wasn't healthy.
I'm sitting here.
I got,
I had three knee surgeries in 14 months.
And it was never the same.
You can't keep going.
You can't keep going into the body and think you're going to be the same.
I don't care.
Oh,
you know,
the thing is,
Gil.
Oh,
he having minor surgery.
Minor surgery only happens to someone else.
It's major when it happened to you.
He having minor surgery.
Hold on.
You had the same surgeon said it was major.
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Clay said something very interesting.
Clay seemed to have accepted that he's not the same player he used to be.
Last night he revealed he had a conversation with Steve Kerr
about the need to improve negative energy, be a better mentor,
enjoy the last chapter of his career rather than obsess over stats and performance.
It's tough.
How tough is it for a player to know they've got no?
It seems like Steve Kerr could tell him something that he called us.
You don't know what you're talking about.
I know what I can see.
I see better than I hear.
I know what you're saying that you're the same guy, but that ain't what I see better than I hear. I know what you're saying, that you're the same guy, but that ain't what I see.
Reality takes a while to catch up with us.
When you get old, reality takes a while.
It takes a good ass whooping in the game to realize,
oh, we ain't the same player no more.
Right.
And I think that's where the problem lies is he knows deep down inside he's not the same player.
And he was hoping that them four rings paid him.
It gave him the extension to reflect versus going out the way he's going out.
He should have took that two-year 48.
He should have took that two-year 48. He should have took that two-year 48, Gil.
And that's the problem.
Like, in his mind,
I know I'm not worth
43, 44, but I'm not
worth 20. I'm not worth
20-something. I'm a reason. I'm
35 at least. Yeah.
Right? And... But, Gil And you're worth what you get.
Yes.
You're only worth what somebody's willing to pay.
People like, man, I wouldn't pay $20 million for no house.
Okay, but somebody else did.
I wouldn't pay $2 million for a car, but somebody else will.
Worth is only determined by what someone is willing to pay for it.
That's what worth is only determined by what someone is willing to pay for it that's what worth is you don't get to determine your worth
because you don't get to pay
yourself
hey
I'm at EMP
give me $40 million a year
hey that sounds like
ladies on IG
know yourself know yourself, girl.
Yeah.
Girl, you ain't worth it.
Oh, I'm worth this.
I'm worth that.
Not if a dude ain't willing to give it to you.
You're not.
I understand you know you're worth it.
You think you're worth a Birkin bag and a Cullinan and a private jet.
I get that you think you're supposed to get all of that.
But that ain't how I value you.
So, unless, look, I had a situation.
I was talking to this young lady and she says, I want to watch.
So, you know, I'm thinking, you know, what you want?
I want an AP.
Gil, I only got one AP.
Now, I got one AP after playing 14 years in the NFL,
being a Hall of Famer, and having a 17-year career in TV.
I got one AP.
And you come in and say you want an AP.
An AP.
But I say, hey, Gil, how do I see?
And she said, if you don, I said, and she said,
if you don't get it,
we can't see each other no more.
Cool.
I walked right downstairs.
She already, Gil,
right here before God, she already
knew I wasn't going to get it.
Because as I'm
walking down the stairs,
she had an Uber out there waiting.
She already knew I was going to get it.
I saw Gil.
I saw her three days later.
Guess what she had on?
On IG.
An AP.
Somebody got it.
O'Shea Sharp wasn't going to get it.
And she's still single.
And that's
the problem.
Dayton today
is
different because
it's self-worth and
that's not a real thing.
Right?
You're worth what
you bring to the
table, right? Yes.
If I have a table, you can't say you are the table.
I have a table.
So that means I'm going to take your table, put it in, because my table is going to be more expensive.
So I'm going to put your table in a closet.
It means you're not worth nothing to me.
Are you going to bring food to this table?
Are you going to bring chairs to this table?
Your worth is what someone needs at the time.
If I have a quarterback, you can't be a quarterback.
Sit on the bench.
I got Lamar.
I got Patrick Mahomes.
I don't need another one of them.
Can you play receiver?
Can you block?
Can you tackle?
And I don't think women totally understand that. Your value is not the value you think.
It's the value they need from you.
Right.
Yes.
Yes.
So don't be telling me what, oh, I got.
If you ever tell me, oh, I know some N-word, some ninjas that'll do this.
Well, I'm going to see it.
You got to get up out of here because I'm not.
You tell me what somebody else will
do, well, I'm going to give you that opportunity to go
fulfill your obligation, your dream
because clearly I'm holding you back.
You nothing
to hold me hostage and try to make
and guilt trip me and
my last boy. Okay.
Why are you not with him?
I mean, every time I see you in an Uber,
so what a color name.
Well, you know what I'm saying?
So what a Lambo truck?
You telling me what all these boyfriends did for you
and you was in Bali and you in the Maldives
and you, you know what I'm saying?
You were there, Malfi Coast.
Where that at?
You around me like a
bumblebee humming and bumming, and you telling
me what they did, where?
I don't see it.
Hold on.
You done named some places I've never even
heard of. What kind of women you going after?
I'm just telling you what they
tell you. Now, if it's a lie, they told me.
I'm just telling you what they tell me. Now, if it's a lie, they told it. I'm just telling you.
And every time I see them, they on vacation.
So clearly somebody.
But you know what?
I see them, but I don't see the dude.
So, and I'm cool.
I ain't got no problem with that.
Hey, to each his own.
But I'm just telling you, you can't guilt trip me into doing something. Okay?
If I do something, I'm going to do it out of the kindness
of my heart. Not because I'm trying to one-up
another dude, because I don't care
what he does.
He might make $500 million.
Him giving you
an AP versus me
giving you an AP? Nah.
Nah. I got other responsibilities. I got grandkids now. I got kids. I Nah. Nah. I got other responsibilities.
I got grandkids now.
I got kids. I got a mom. I got a sister.
I got brothers. I got overhead.
But they
self-worth.
And what you offering
ain't no AP.
I'm just sorry. I'm just going to keep
it real.
That's the Golden State speech to Clay.
Hey, you ain't worth no AP.
Whatever happened to a Rollie?
I remember when a Rollie was the joint.
Now they talking about APs.
They won't put text.
They want Vacheron Constantine.
I don't even know what that is.
Yeah.
They want Jacob.
I want iPhone.
They got the time
right there on the iPhone.
Hey,
hey, give, man. Hey, man.
Hey, like I said,
look, and I'm more of a guy
that I'll give, but when you
come to me sideways,
I'm a book.
It's as simple as that. I'm a book.
I ain't going to lie to you.
Be honest. When women do
that, I'm putting you in a category.
And that category has
a short road, right?
Either you want
these items or
you want longevity.
You want the ATM
or you want the safe, right? It's your choice. If you want the ATM or you want the safe.
It's your choice. If you want
the ATM right now, yeah, I'll get
you that.
But this is the road you want. Eventually,
I'm going to cut this cord and I'm going to focus
on the one who
wants to build the bank with me.
And the thing about the ATM,
you have to put money back
in it.
The safe is unlimited. Unlimited. and the thing about the ATM, you have to put money back in it. Yep. So,
the safe is unlimited.
Mm-hmm.
Unlimited.
But they don't...
It's, hey,
these y'all, hey,
I'm sorry McGill and I
got off on this tangent.
No, I'm not.
We're going to be off
on another tangent next week.
We're going to be on
the tangent again next week.
Pat Bell says,
Joe LNB is on pace
to have the greatest season of all time.
If he finished the season the way he's playing now,
it would be the greatest season of a single player
that's ever played a game of basketball.
He's leading the league in scoring with averaging about 35 points a game.
He returned to the lineup on Tuesday for the first time since December 22nd,
dropped 31-15-10 on the Bulls.
It's his 15th straight game with at least 30 points and 10 rebounds.
He averaged 40 points
for the month of December on
61-42-92
splits.
The Sixers
in a Tuesday outscoring their opponents by about
10 points a game with a B on the floor.
Pat Bell,
I like Pat Bell. I really do.
Got an opportunity to see him around
from time to time
being at the Lakers game
last year
got an opportunity
he come over
he hollered at me
so are we gonna say
like Wilt's seasons
didn't exist
Jordan's season
didn't exist
Kobe's season
didn't exist
so I'm just trying to
and I get it
people act like today
like whatever you see today
that's the greatest
that's the best food that's the greatest. That's the best food.
That's the best car.
Those the best clothes, bro.
So when somebody when he does 50, 25, when he does 44, 27,
we'll never average less than 18 rebounds a season.
He averaged 30 points and 23 rebounds for a season.
Look at some of Jordan's season.
Look at Kobe's season.
Look at Harden's season.
Harden had like 30 games where he averaged at least 30 points.
And I'm not saying Joel Embiid is having a hell of a season.
But, bro, just because someone is having a historic season,
that doesn't mean we just discount everything that's ever
happened up until this point.
Oh, no, he getting drug tested tomorrow.
Oh, no.
Pat, come on up in this room
real quick. Go ahead.
Put your shirt up and go ahead and pee in his cup.
We're going to have to test you on that statement.
Come on, like 88.
88 is a season to
be remembered. All the accolades that
was won by one man,
which probably would never happen again.
No.
That win the scoring title,
the MVP, Defensive Player
of the Year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was a one-man tangent.
That's never going to happen again.
For Pat, this might be the best season that he's ever seen.
Been a part of.
Been a part of.
Or seen, man.
Jordan, we was little.
We wasn't watching.
Yeah, you're right.
You know what I mean?
We didn't get to understand what that was.
So we can read the stats.
So for the basketball minds, the 88, they're 81 for me, right?
Watching, you know, T-Mac hit the 62 while I'm on the court, right?
Those are games like, oh man, right?
So him watching it in real time, that statement is coming from real life experience.
Right.
Not history. Right. Not history.
Right.
This ain't a history.
This is what he's seen while he's been playing the game of basketball.
Right.
And Steph winning the MVP unanimous.
He's the only guy that's ever won that, and he's a guard.
And he led the league in scoring.
I mean, there have been some great seasons.
We'd have to go back and look,
but we'll probably got five of them.
Yeah, but like, you know, in today's game,
you're trying to, you know, with these players,
you know, what they're going to remember is
they'll remember Kobe's 81.
Yes.
Three on the Mavs.
You'll remember Russell's triple-double,
that first year, that triple-double season.
Yes, yes, yes.
You're going to remember C. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
That Steph Curry when everybody was on like with that 73 and nine that year, you don't remember that.
Right. You know, there's there's there's these glimpses in James Harden's tangent.
Yeah. And, you know,
Joker at the beginning of the season last year,
but I think with 35 a game from the big man,
the way he's doing it,
this could go down within the last 10 years.
That's probably one of the best.
Yeah.
You know,
and you know,
you're right there.
That's your guy.
That's your teammate.
So yeah,
you're going to give him an extra little love.
Yeah, yeah.
You add a little ease to it so it'll grow a little more.
You want to get that extra contract.
You know, you're going to have a big fella sign him in two more years.
Yeah.
I tell people, all our basketball fans, go back and look at that 61-62 season and look at the numbers that those guys put up.
Because we'll average 50-25 but that was also
the year that Oscar averaged a triple-double
that was also the year that
Jerry West was I think 30 points
5 rebounds, 6 assists, Walt
Bellamy averaged like 31
and 19
Elgin Baylor was like
30 and 17, go back and
look at that season, 61-62
many believe it's the greatest statistical season
for individuals in a basketball season.
But that's not to throw shade
because Joel Embiid is playing unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
And right now, I think he and Joker
have separated themselves from the pack.
I think those are clearly the two best players
and there's no knock on Giannis, LeBron, KD, anybody.
But those two big guys right there,
they're the best at it right now.
Yeah, they're the best at what they're doing.
I mean, they're really balling.
I mean, you can throw Luka in there.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What Luka's doing is impressive too.
But, you know, the big guys right now are really dominating
and, you know, Joel Embiid is dominating, you know the big guys right now are really dominating and you know
uh joel and beat is dominating you know scoring mostly and joker's dominating just overall
basketball on how it's played yeah westbrook enters the top 25 in scoring draws he joins
lebron james and oscar robinson as the only as the only two of players in the top 25 in scoring
top 10 and assist. How should we remember Russ?
As a first ballot
Hall of Famer. Yeah, absolutely.
That's what he is. I mean, he's a guy
that, you know, came in.
He is the
ideal player. When you're
talking about
that speech you got to give
in a championship, right?
We need to go out and we need to play
110% every possession
but he's
that guy that you're
telling everyone else
to be.
He's the guy that you're telling everybody
you don't have to prep
him up. He is ready to go every game.
We've never looked at a game and said,
Russell didn't have it today.
Or he wasn't giving,
he's giving you 110% every game.
He ain't never shortchanged me.
Never.
He ain't never, he never showed up for work without his hard hat and his work boots.
You paid him an honest salary, he gave you an honest day's work.
Now, was he high turnover?
Sure.
Did he take some ill-advised shots?
But at the end of the day, I know I can count on Russ.
Yep, man.
Russ, you'll never, nobody has played harder game in and game out year in and year out.
And I'm talking about the greats, the Russ.
Yeah.
Not every, not every game.
He played every game.
Like, man, I don't, I don't even know.
Not only am I, I might not even be here tomorrow.
I might not be in the NBA.
I might not be alive.
I might be on Mars.
I might be be in the NBA. I might not be alive. I might be on Mars. I might be on Jupiter.
He played every game like it was his last game.
Yes.
And that's what we need to remember, right?
You know, everything else is opinion, perception, right?
You know, you're rebounding.
That's a hustle.
You're knocking a man for hustling.
Yeah.
Right?
You know, like, there's,
we talk, there's Lopez.
Can you get 10 rebounds?
God damn.
Hell no.
He ain't never averaged
10 rebounds in a season.
Has he?
No.
Robert Brook Lopez
never averaged 10 rebounds.
Yeah, you know that answer.
Hell no.
Probably like seven or eight.
But that's the thing that
Russell gets
your stat chasing rebounds
and then the big man who's
supposed to get it ain't doing it.
He needs stat chase too. He gets a rebound.
Can he do it?
Yeah. 8.6
is Brook Lopez's high.
So if I have a Lopez, I need a Russell.
Yeah.
Get the rebounds he can't get.
You know what I mean?
So when you have a guy like that that's going to give you your,
I'm going to write that check to him every time.
Because I know as long as he puts on that jersey,
he's going to give me my money's worth.
That's all you're you can ask a man.
Does OKC have the best core players in the league?
Chandler Parsons says, I think it's not even close that the Thunder have the best core now,
and they have the best core moving forward.
Core? Is that two players, three players?
Well, they got
every Williams that
lives in Oklahoma is on the team.
They got like seven guys named Williams on the team.
So, Jalen Williams,
one with a Y, and the other
with an L.
I mean, your core
right now is Shea Chet.
I mean, start of the season, Giddy was part of that core.
But, you know, he went from averaging 16 to averaging 12 this year.
So he's having a down year.
You know, he's averaging less than he did his rookie year.
You know, his rookie year was 12, 8, and what?
12, 8, and 6.
This year is 12, 6, and 4.
So is he part of my core?
Really, I got two players. I mean, you know,
are they, are those
three better than Fox, Sabonis, and
Murray? Grizzlies,
Ja, Bain, and Jaron?
Raptors, quickly, Barrett, and
Barnes. I mean, you know, you got a few teams
out there that got a nice little
young nucleus.
Right.
I mean, you want to say they got one of the best
young players. Okay, I get that with Shea.
Obviously, you know, he's right
there. What is he like 22, 23?
Yep.
And
when you look at it
and you know, I don't know if
you said this.
Perk and I was talking about it on our first take and you're talking about And, you know, I don't know if you said this.
Perk and I was talking about it on our first tape.
And you're talking about the trade is that Doc was explaining,
said like, you know, hey, Kawhi, I think you need to give this kid a chance.
And he's like, no, if you don't get PG, if I can't get PG,
I'm going to have to go to the other team.
And Perk and I was, and I agree.
Shea better than Paul George.
Right now, Shea better than Kawhi.
I mean, I'm not talking about, I'm talking about Kawhi right now.
Now, Kawhi got accolades. Kawhi
is a two-time finals champ. He's a two-time
finals MVP. There's no denying
that. But Shea better right now.
I mean, Shea was better last year.
He better.
And I can count on him. He gonna play. He gonna give me 70 games. Yeah, I mean, that's what was better last year. He better. And I can count on him.
He going to play.
He going to give me 70 games.
Yeah, I mean, that's what I said.
They have one guy.
They have Chet.
And then from there, you know, you got Giddy.
I mean, you know, like, Ja Bane and Jaron, you know,
seems like a more solid three.
Yeah, it's a three.
You know, it's three.
You know, to be honest,
because they're still young,
I mean, Boston?
I mean, yeah.
I mean, with Tatum Brown
and White.
Yeah, Tatum Brown and White.
I mean, and Porzingis.
And Porzingis.
I mean, but you know,
with those two,
you still got a solid unit.
So, you know,
when they make statements like, you know, core, they have a nice core, like how young you're talking so you can cut out some of these numbers.
But, you know, right.
You know, Grizzlies, Raptors, Grizzlies, SAC and OKC.
They're right.
They're right there.
Right.
No, I agree.
I agree Meadow says
Wembley
Wimby Yama
for sure will score 101 points in the NBA game
Wimby Yama is the closest to Will
that we'll ever see
he's going to run into a Detroit Pistons
from a year or 20
20 years ago
he's going to get 101
can we drug test retired players too
yeah they should.
He must have been. I've been trying to make sure
none of my bottles been open behind me, Gil.
He clearly broke in my house and drank
an old bottle.
I mean,
people just,
they make us, first of all,
obviously, he's skilled. He's
7'4", 7'3 1⁄2", 7'4".
He's skilled.
He can shoot like no other 7'4 guy that we've ever seen.
Got nice handles.
But do you know how incredibly efficient you're going to have to be to get 100 points?
Okay.
Okay, if we rewind time and go back to the year,
there's the Shacks when he lost that scoring title to David Robinson.
David Robinson at 71.
Yeah.
So how he got that 71 is it could be a possibility for Wimmy, but his team don't like him like that.
Where they was force feeding David Robinson so he can beat that scoring title.
Now, if he had
teammates like David Robinson
did and said, hey, you want to score 101?
We're just going to give you the ball every single
time and we're just going to see if you
can break it.
That ain't today's basketball.
It's unlikely.
When you go look at how many shots,
when Kobe scored 80, when Wilt scored 100,
I think he shot like 48 times.
He was 28, if I'm not mistaken,
he was like 28 or 32 from the free throw line.
What's the likelihood of somebody getting up 48 shots in an NBA game?
Now, Kobe got up 50 his last game.
He scored 60.
Yeah, see, it'd be...
When you talk about something like that,
it has to be one of those days
where
the team is like,
okay, we're going to allow you to do this.
The fact that he is 7'6", and
most of those buckets can be
right under the basket.
Right.
It won't happen,
but let's say,
hey, I need 101 points
to break the scoring record.
And the teammates be like,
all right, bet, let's do this.
But do you really...
But not in a competitive game.
No, it won't happen
in a competitive game.
And plus,
you're going to have to shoot...
You're going to probably have to shoot
somewhere between 30 and 40 free throws.
And you're going to have to make like 95% of to probably have to shoot somewhere between 30 and 40 free throws. And you're going to have to make
like 95% of them.
Yeah.
But he gets you free throws.
What's Wimby's free throw potential?
Now, Will,
that was Will's greatest free throw that night.
He went 28 of 32.
See, it was men.
It was men.
It was men.
But, and the thing was, they were
stalling the ball. They didn't want him to get it.
So they just like,
he's shooting 78%.
So in other words,
he got to shoot like 60 free throws
and make like 48.
I mean, that's what I said. It's unrealistic.
It's just one of those days.
It's going to be one of those days where
if, and they're not going to let you do it, Gil.
You remember when Book had that streak?
I think he had like three games in a row he had averaged like 50.
And then he had like 44 with like five minutes to go.
And they just tripled team.
They're like, no, you're not going to do this.
No, no, yeah.
You're not going to get 50 on us again.
Nope, nope, nope.
It ain't going to happen.
I mean, pride from the other team is...
Yeah.
But that's where the fouling comes in too. Where I don't want you to nope. It ain't going to happen. I mean, pride from the other team is in. But that's where the
fouling comes in, too, where
I don't want you to score, so I'm going to foul you.
You earned it at the free throw line. Right.
You know, so
I'm going to foul hard.
He need to be drug tested, too. That's all.
Mike,
ask you, Junior, as a 43-year-old
man, I appreciate the relationship combo.
I knew getting old and dating, I knew I was getting old looking at the dating scene.
D.C. to Virginia Beach, it's wild out here.
It's wild out here.
It's wild.
It is.
I'm not even going to lie.
I guess it's just the expectations that has been set.
I tell women this, and it's rough the expectations that has been set. I tell women,
it's rough.
It is rough.
Bring
the value you need to bring.
I can't outsource it.
If I can't outsource your value,
then that's the value
that you need to bring to me.
If I can outsource it,
I clean. I can get a maid. I can't outsource your value, then that's the value that you need to bring to me. If I can outsource it, oh, I clean.
I can get a maid.
You cook.
I can get the chef.
Right?
I can give you a little bit of this.
Oh, I can pay for that from somebody else.
Right?
If I can outsource the responsibilities, then you're not worth what you think you're worth.
I can't outsource love.
Bring me peace.
Yeah.
The one thing they can't fucking do sometimes.
Bring me peace. Yeah. The one thing they can't fucking do sometimes. Bring me no distractions.
Why are they sitting there?
Hey.
Kids.
I mean, that's what I need.
Simple.
It's simple.
It's simple, right?
It's the attention, right?
And women don't understand this for men, right?
Especially a working man.
If we're working and we're doing all of this and our life is the way it is, right?
And we're dating and I just finished my job and I'm going out there to chill.
What changes is now I have to entertain you.
That's not peace for me.
Right.
That's not, if I got to enter, now I got to entertain you.
Hey, you got to show me some affection today.
It's easier to remove you
and I don't have to do that, right? Versus now, I just left job. Now I got to entertain you for
two hours, but for now I can go to sleep or do this and do that. It becomes now a job versus,
hey, while I'm at work, you do something. And then, you know, when you're done and I'm done,
we come and we can enjoy each other's space
versus now I got to entertain you
and make you feel important,
which that becomes another chore for a man.
You look at that, that's another job for you.
That's another job.
Yeah.
And I get it, you know, for me,
is that I just can't be a hype man.
I just can't tell you 20 for 20 hours a day how good you look, how fine, how fine you are and how lucky I am to have.
I just can't be a hype man. Not all the time. I don't got no problem telling you that.
Damn, baby, you fine. I am lucky. You're smart. I appreciate what you do. Hey, you make sure everything flows smoothly.
But I can't do that all the time.
I can't.
I can't.
Because we don't require it.
The only thing I want to do all the time
is breathe.
That's the only thing I want to
do all the time.
It's tough, Gil.
I mean, unless you're in this situation,
you know, people think just because you got money,
everything is easier.
Well, some of the things, but what about the things that money can't buy?
Can't buy me peace. Can't buy me peace.
Can't buy me love.
Can't buy me understanding.
Can't buy me compassion.
You're talking about all the things that...
Honesty.
All the things that money can buy
will only suffice temporarily.
That new car is only going to make you happy
for a short period of time
because it's going to get dirty
just like all the rest of them.
That new watch,
hey, man, they only made 15 of these.
Guess what?
They're going to make 15 of a different kind next year
or go on that vacation.
So all the things that money can provide doesn't necessarily make you happy.
Yeah, it's, you know, when somebody looked up like, man, y'all need to find the right ones.
And yeah, everyone, that's everyone.
It's just not us.
It's everyone.
Just as a woman, understand from the other side of what a man is doing, right?
We know what you do.
Your home, if you're taking care of the house and all that.
We get that, right?
When he's at work, he's doing his job.
Sometimes when that man comes home for peace, he don't want to stay working.
And working is, what do you want to do? You want to go to the mall? You want to go do this?
How you doing? How you doing?
Right?
It becomes exhausting to the point where it's easier
to not have you.
Because one thing I know we're not going to do
as men is we're not going to
stress ourselves out. No,
why would I?
Yeah.
I mean, my job is
stressful enough to come up,
you know, we do this, I do night
cap three days a week, I come up with
we do, I do first take twice a week, I do
club shea shea.
So to constantly try to come up with
fresh content and talk about things
that doesn't sound redundant and people haven't heard over and over to break the monotony of it
to not only entertain but to educate and inform people it's not an easy task no
and the last thing I want to do is come home I mean so look
I'm a gossip and the thing and the thing is, the people
that they see on TV and people ask
like, have asked
people, what's he really like? People that have dated
me, and they say he's nothing like
what you see on television.
He's quiet. He comes
home, he'll eat, he'll interact,
and he just goes upstairs. Most
of the time, if it's not sports on, he doesn't watch TV.
I'm a deep thinker.
And, you know, come in.
Hey, how you doing?
How your day was?
You know, good.
I'm going to play the dogs for a little while because they hadn't seen me.
They're going to be all over me.
I'm going to play with them, get them settled down for about 20 minutes.
Eat, shower,
talk a little while,
and that's it.
I just want to,
and ask somebody,
yeah, brush your teeth for the eighth time.
She always try to,
she asked Jordan,
you see how she try to get it in?
And then talk about,
why y'all always picking on me.
Cause you always looking to
get a little jam. Don't think nobody
noticed it.
Upgrade
King donated. He said
Uncle Gil, should the winner of the
end season tournament get an automatic
buy into the playoffs? Six seed. Winner
takes so much
out of teams. It's like he's-in to the playoffs, succeed. Winner takes so much out of teams
it's like he's doing it
to the Lakers. If you win
the end-season tournament, should you automatically get
a playoff bid? No.
Because, you know,
you don't want to win the end-season tournament and then
tank it the rest of the season and then becoming
in the playoffs
and then because if you make the
playoffs, let's just say you become last place, right?
Now, that last place gets you damn near top three for a pick.
Yeah.
But if you won an in-season tournament, you in the playoffs.
And you get a sixth seed.
You don't want the sixth seed draft pick.
Yeah, no.
I want the number one, the top three seed.
Hopefully, I get the top pick.
I get a Wimby Yama.
Yeah.
Or I get a LeBron.
Yeah.
I think that whoever wins the end season tournament should get the 14th pick in the NBA draft.
Automatically.
Right?
Still lottery, but not the high end of the lottery.
Yeah, it's the last lottery.
So, if you win it and still become the last place
you got 14th you might have 6th
and you get the number one pick
like you didn't mean
there has to be some reward
for winning
right
reward now in sports is the
last place team
the bottom end we get to get the number one
guy we get to get the number one guy. We get
to be rewarded with
a future.
I get to tank,
lose to get a future.
That doesn't happen in everyday
world, in everyday society.
You cannot be a loser and be rewarded
for being a... Imagine,
you at first taking
this person has the worst
takes, he has the worst views,
he gets
an extra bump on the paycheck.
And you're sitting there like,
what?
What?
You could be like the Lakers
win the title at 82 and they get the number one
overall draft pick who turns out to be James Worthy.
But that's... Now that's something to fight for.
But that's something to fight for, though.
Yeah.
Right now you're building teams because you know what the reward is.
Yeah.
Or they used to have the draft where, you know, you could draft the player,
the player could go back to school, but you still own his draft rights. That's what the Celtics did to Lambert.
Lambert got drafted as a junior. They drafted him. Now he went back to school and said, we still got this draft rights. That's what the Celtics did to Landberg. Landberg got drafted as a junior.
They drafted,
now he went back to school
and said, we still got you.
Yep.
And then you can lose that year
and still get a number one pick again.
And you still got Landberg coming.
You still got Landberg.
Vincent R. said,
Dwayne The Rock Johnson
returned home to the WWE on Monday
and called out his cousin,
the tribal chief Roman Reigns.
Ungill,
who were your favorite wrestlers
growing up? Love the show. Were you a big
wrestling fan? Yeah.
Look, I was Jake the Snake,
Robinson, Hulk Hogan.
It was Jake the Snake, Ultimate Warrior.
You got Ultimate Warrior, Jake the Snake.
So that's my way back there.
Yeah, I go back a little
further than you. I grew up with Georgia Championship Wrestling with Gordon Soley.
So we had Dusty Rhodes, Andre the Giant.
We had Bobo Brazil.
We had Ox Baker.
I mean, we had Mr. Wrestling number one and two.
We had Pac Song.
Oh, man.
It was Abdullah the Butcher.
It was just like my grandfather used to just haul us around.
You know, we'd go to Savannah.
We'd go to Vidalia. We'd go to B us around. You know, we'd go to Savannah. We'd go to Vidalia.
We'd go to Baxley.
I mean, they would come to wrestle.
We'd come to little small towns and wrestle back then.
It's not WWE.
It's not what it is because everybody had their own,
like Georgia Championship and Florida Championship
and Mid-Atlantic Championship.
Everybody, like regionals, had wrestling.
So it's not like, yeah, it's not under one roof like it was.
You know, so
man, I just, man.
Harley Race, Nick Bockwinkle.
Man, I
lose the love, man.
Hey, Gil.
Me and my cousin, we packed up
that car many times in Halltale to Savannah.
See, I've never been to one.
So I've never been to...
No, I've never been to one, so I've never been to... Oh, you've never been to one?
No, I've never been to one, just as a kid watching it.
What? Ric Flair?
Yeah, Ric Flair. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, man. Arn Anderson.
Man, y'all know I love Savannah.
34 Virgo said,
uh, uh,
I'm 12 minutes into the interview,
and I'm dead.
Cat is straight wilding out
a hand, straight
wilding out with hand grenades.
Pausing to drink has me rolling.
He was on one. He had a lot to get.
He said, if you heard him, he got a lot
to get off his chest.
I was just,
I was the vehicle
and I was the car that he was in.
Yeah, yeah, I was just, and it's doing extremely well.
It's up to 3.3 million views in about 12, what is it, 12 hours?
13.
In 13 hours, we had 3.3 million views.
Ooh, congratulations.
I thought conservatively, maybe we could get to like
two and a half,
but it looks like it might top
out at five million in the first day.
Yeah. I knew
it was going to be big because there were
121,000
people watching it in the chat
today. So I
knew, I was like, okay.
Oh, wow. okay yeah this might be
bigger than I thought
so I'm calling
so I called CJ and said well CJ what's the mean
he's like normally like if you can get 3-4
thousand people 3-4 thousand
we already have 48 thousand
what you mean 3-4 thousand
and it never came down
it never you know a lot of times you get in the chat
they're at a dip.
It never dipped.
It just kept going.
It was just great.
It was great.
Bro, Antonio Robinson, great interview.
Can't kill it.
Proverbs 1320.
He who walks with wise men will be wise,
but the companion of a fool will suffer harm.
Watch them up.
Watch them friends up.
I like that.
I like that. Lam lamar allen said that
can't weave the interview is going crazy it is it is and so i guys i really thank you guys for not
only supporting club shea shea but supporting this nightcap and you know we took some time off
from uh dropping episodes on nightcap excuse me on a club shea Shea because we wanted to start 2024 with a bang.
Yeah.
It came out.
But I got something else in store, too.
I got another heater.
I got another heater.
You came out like John Moran.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got some smoke.
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Gil, I want to thank you for joining me
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enjoyed it. Hopefully you guys, make
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else, do some more dates, or once the NFL
season is over with.
I'm your favorite sports hunk, Shannon Sharp.
He's your favorite number zero.
Happy New Year's
everybody.
He's your
favorite Arizona Wildcat.
You remember these, Gil?
Hell no. What the hell is those?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You remember these, Gil?
Hell no.
What the hell is those?
Yeah.
Who gave you those, man?
What?
That's not Michael Jordan.
The chat gonna go crazy with those. The chat gonna go crazy with those.
I'm telling you, Gil.
What?
What are those?
I don't know.
Oh, my God.
They done sold you a bad pair.
No, man.
These old,
these old,
uh-uh,
these hot.
Man, I got the last pair.
I got the last pair.
Man, those little
bar balls, man.
They done held up.
Maybe I should've
took the left shoe off.
It look better
on the left side
with the left hand.
Thank you for joining
another episode of Nightcap.
I'm your favorite sport.
Shatter Sharp, he's your favorite.
Number zero, Arizona Wildcat basketball legend.
Number zero, agent zero, Gil Arenas.
Thank you very much.
Gil, talk to you, bro.
Nice to talk to you.
Thank you.
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