Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Big Old O

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

CC377: Lindsie is soon to sell her house and is now feeling a little sentimental about selling. Kail was surprised by the size of the Menendez house and is floored by the size of Lindsie's house when she was growing up. We learn of a Scott Peterson update, a teacher giving sleeping aid to children, and a listener writes in to inform us of their Swinging lifestyle. Today's Foul Play reminds us to NOT have sex postpartum. Thank you to our sponsor! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthDraftKings: New players can play just $5 and get FIFTY INSTANTLY in Casino Credits! Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with promo code COFFEEProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn moreQualia: Go to Qualialife.com/coffeeconvos for up to 50% off and use code COFFEECONVOS at checkout for an additional 15% off.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. I wanted to get Lindsay's reaction to my shirt. You get the shirt? The TikTok shop.

Oh, I was gonna say Etsy. Hello. Etsy probably also has them. I will link them but I was I literally recorded before we got on here and I was like, I need to get Lindsey's reaction to my shirt and then I forgot that I also chopped all my hair off. So it's like a two for one. Oh my God. Can we talk about the hair chop? Oh yeah.

I, you know, things are out of control in my life and I was like, you know what? The only thing I can control is my hair. So Taylor, I need you to come over and cut it off. What if I cut mine off? Well, Lux said that your hair is too long and that you also need to have short hair again. Okay, well. I was like, I'll let her know that you said so. I might take his advice.

Also, I'm gonna take one out of your book and I'm gonna start getting blowouts every week, so. I mean, it's a good, like I got one yesterday. I am going, I have to be back in New York just for one interview on Thursday, so it will be a little bit. Dirty girl. Yeah, and then I'll get it done again, but just for that interview. But I don't know. I'm digging the vibe. I'm digging the vibes, the short hair vibes.

I love it. I washed my hair last night and slept on it. And that's why it looks like this. And I've also been going through an emotional crisis for like the last 30 minutes. So here we are. What is the emotional crisis? I don't know if Kristen told you, but my house is like pending. Then your old house? Yeah. Oh, I did not know that. And it came like very fast with a cash offer and there was like no hiccups with anything. So it just came really fast. And I went over there to like take inventory of things that I had not gotten out yet on Saturday and feel like I'm about to have an emotional breakdown.

So because it's a lot of stuff that needs to happen quickly or because that house meant so much to you or both. I think I didn't realize how much it meant to me until I realized it's about to be gone. That's fair I think that's very fair and it's not realistic for me to have two houses like five miles from each other. That's just but like Kristen's probably we don't say K I ll on this podcast But what I'm about to say she absolutely would do that to me. If I was like, what if I pulled out of the deal?

Pulled out of it and put it up for rent or like pulled out of it and just had it for like sentimental value. Sentimental value. Oh yeah. No, Lindsay, we're not. I know. I understand that that house means a lot to you, but I'm going to take a page out of Kristin's book real quick and we are not holding onto homes for sentimental value. Okay. We are, we are

giving the gift of memory making to the next owners and they will also hold high sentimental value and hold that house up to the same standards of sentiment. I feel like you and Kristen are equally alarmed of what's going on right now. I said it's ready to I mean, she will shut down all your cards and tell you no ma'am. If I swear to you everything holy. If I go to the store and all of my cards are shut down, I will absolutely lose my shit. She just sent a message to us and said, Thank you, Jesus Christ, I fucking kill you. But like, can we just like take a walk down memory lane for a sec because I feel like that house held so many memories

for me, like not great ones, right? Like my parents went through all of their legal stuff when I was in that house. I went through my entire divorce proceedings in that house. I went through two bad breakups in that house, but I also went through a lot of good things in that house too. And someone else cooking in that kitchen or putting their socks in my closet bothers me. I think some amount of the feelings are pretty normal slash common, but I think looking at the silver linings and trying to remain pretty positive will keep you grounded in where you need to be because I get it. I think you were in that house for some years. Yeah, like three very toxic tumultuous years.

Yeah. And I think that it, I think if you didn't have any feelings about it, I would be concerned about your level of like sociopathic tendencies. So I think I'm, I'm sort of glad that you're having feelings about it. You know what I mean? Kristen just sent us a message and said the fact that Kale is being the voice of reason. I mean, that was not on my 2024 bingo card at all, like me being any sort of voice of reason, but I feel like the absolute shambles that some of my life is in right now, I feel like the only

thing I can do is look up and be the voice of reason. So, I'm glad it could be that for you. Kristen does not know this either, but I'm also choosing not to go to closing because I don't want to see what the people look like. Did I ever say on this podcast what happened when I bought my land, my 20 acres? Well you said what was going on with it with the the landlock and like how you can use it and stuff like that. But there was no. So when I went, I wasn't expecting the sellers, the owners, the former owners, I wasn't expecting

them to be there. And the owner said to me, you're, you're buying this land to do what I dreamed of on it. And I, it broke my heart and it just, it broke my heart for him because, and I would imagine, I say all that to say, like, I could imagine that you sort of have those same feelings was like, you know, it was really exciting for me to buy this land, right? And like, I wasn't trying to rub it in his face by any means, but he, you know, him expressing that to me broke my heart for him. And so I would imagine that you have those same feelings as like, you like, you would have loved to stay in that house and have whatever

the rest of your life and happy times in there, but that's just not what it was for you. And so for you, it's like a very bittersweet situation. And so I also in your position would not have wanted to see the new owners. And I don't think that it's a dig at the new owners by any means. Not at all. Also, I'm having a little bit of a hard time with the fact that I sold some of the furniture with the house. So some of my furniture is going to be like remaining there. Yeah.

Oh, wow. That piece of furniture held my divorce docs and my hole punched, remember when Will hole punched my passport. Did you tell that story? I feel like I did. Did I not tell you about this? He hole punched your passport? Yeah.

So wait, this wasn't like, so when I've renewed passports and you know, I get to send the old one back and they hole punch it, it wasn't like that. No, I still have the hole punch passport. And it was a valid passport? Yeah. So when I moved into the house that I'm about to sell, I had left everything at like our marriage house. I told him, I was like, I need to get my stuff out of my file cabinets. Like you can have the office furniture. I'm not fighting with you over any of furniture, but like I need to get some of my files.

So he brings and drops off these files. And I'm like, oh, perfect, because in our divorce decree and the parenting plan, it's like mom is holder of birth certificate, passport, Social Security card, like whatever. He dropped all this stuff off. I start going through it, thinking I'm going somewhere and thumb through my passport and it's all hole punch the fuck up. I don't remember or recall any part of the story, Lindsay. The way that I would have been in prison.

Ma'am. That is such a, is tedious the right word? Getting passports renewed, getting new passports, like any sort of like governmental document, like birth certificates, especially social security. I think birth certificates a little easier, but like social security cards and passports, like to get renewed ones on those is such a fricking pain in the ass that I would have been in prison. Trust me. I know. And then I was like, okay, if I report this,

then someone's catching a felony. Oh, is that a felony? I don't really know, but I- Google this, hold on. I said that it was. And I was like, motherfucker, like you're out here whole punching passports and shit. That's a straight up bitch, you're not going nowhere.

Unlawful conduct, Can you be arrested? Yeah, it's a federal doc. It's a federal document. Yes. So it said can someone be arrested for tearing up your passport? And it says yes on several grounds besides destruction of a federal document theft of your property destruction of a federal document, theft of your property, destruction of your property, et cetera. Will committed a felony? Can we prove it was Will? No, because he would just be like, I didn't do that. Right. And there's no proof. So that's- There is no proof. Are you the holder of all of your kids' documents?

Yes. I'm the holder of all of them. I have a fireproof safe that only I have the key to. Actually, it's really funny that you bring up passports because, for the most part, Javi and I have remained pretty civil, even when we don't agree with each other stuff. Only I have a key to that safe. Both of us must have forgotten about Costa Rica, Lincoln's most recent trip to Costa Rica with Javi and Lauren. And he messaged me sort of last minute for the passport and I wasn't home. And I was just, and he was, yeah. And he had emailed me and was like

something about like, can we come pick it up or can someone put it in the mailbox or something? And I wasn't home. And I was like, well, when? And he was like, well, someone can put it in the mailbox. I don't think that he realized that I have it in a safe that only I have a key to. So like, and I physically wasn't home. So it's not like I could be like, oh, um, Elijah, go get the key. I hid it here or whatever. Like it wasn't like that. And so I have all of them and I have them all in order. And then I also have the stack of like the old passports because I, you know, I keep their expired ones for whatever reason, all of their birth certificates, all of their social security.

I feel like in my opinion, um, Oh, and also on the, while we're on the topic of federal documents, you only get a certain number of security, social security cards in your whole lifetime. So like you only can have, yes, you can only replace them up to a certain number of times. So, cause originally I had said, Oh, can I have a second copy of the social security cards that I can give it to their dads? Because I don't, don't ask me for shit that you have access to. Like I'm not your fucking secretary. And this goes for everyone. I'm not talking about hobby, but like, I'm not your fucking secretary. Like I'm not. So I'm not back to that statement but I'm not your fucking secretary. I'm not. So I-

I'm not going to get back to that statement because I feel like all ex-husbands think that you're still their secretary. It's infuriating. So- Sex secretary might be what it is. Sex secretary, but not- So I had asked for a second copy of the social security cards and the agent or whatever, I don't know what they're actually referred to, maybe like a social security agent. She was like, no,

you only get whatever number it was. And I was floored. I had no idea. So like if you lose it or it gets damaged or whatever the case, maybe you only get a certain number. Let that be a lesson for anyone who's trying to get a replacement for a social security card. Keep track of how many you've had because you will get cut off. If someone would have told me that there are science backed ingredients that can help me feel 15 years younger in a matter of months, I absolutely would not have believed it. And I really don't think that many people would have either. But then I tried qualia senolytic.

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But when you get adopted, I don't know what it's like if you're adopted from birth. Okay. But I went through that process as an adult. And they told me if I ever the attorney that was involved in that adoption, she said if you ever want a copy of like your old birth certificate with your biological parents names that are on it, then you need to go ahead and get it before I file this paperwork because once it is done, it's sealed for the rest of forever. Yes, I did know that. I did know that. I only have, I don't

have like a big copy of my birth certificate. You know how they have like the big ones and then some states, and I didn't know this, that some states don't have pocket birth certificates with your parents name on it. Like the state of South Carolina where I was born, I have like a little pocket birth certificate that has their names on it. That's all I have. I have never heard of that, but I also… So in Delaware, again, can't speak to the rest of the states, but in Delaware, you can trade in… So say you change your name. I know when you got married, you dropped your middle name, added Chrisley as your middle

name, and then Campbell as your last name, right? And say that you needed a new birth certificate with that on there. You can trade in your old birth certificate and get a new one for free with your new name, but then you can never get a copy of your old one again. Same when I changed Lux and Creed's last names, I actually ended up keeping those birth certificates, like their original ones. And then I also paid $25 to get their new ones because I had something just doesn't sit right with me. You know, as they're adults, like if something were to happen, I know when hobby joined the military, his whole name was spelled wrong. Like his last name was wrong. It didn't matter. Yeah, it was Moro Quim. So M-O-R-R-O-Q-U-I-M. And so when he joined the military, he had to go

change his name, he had to go get a new diploma, he had to do all the things. And so I guess I married Jose J. Moral Quim and not Marroquin. So it was just a shit show. And so for that reason, I kept Lux and Creed's original birth certificates and then paid for them to get new birth certificates. We should be concerned about our federal government. No, we should be highly concerned because how when you were birthed with two people with Marroquin and then you got named Morroquin and then nobody said anything to you and nobody did anything until you joined the military and only then your passport was Merrill Quinn

and your birth certificate and license and everything was Merrill Quinn. I feel like that is a typo that should not be allowed. And how did it take that many years for it to be figured out that that was what was on his birth certificate until he joined the military? That's insane. Can we just briefly talk about the hotness of your shirt? I mean, oh, well, I have to tell you, and people probably feel all kinds of way about this. Kristen and I did drive by the house that they're sitting on the stoop of. We drove by this house last week and it just got bought, so nobody's living there. If people were living there, we wouldn't have driven by, but it just got bought for $17 million. It's a 10,000-square-foot home. I

guess they're putting like a... There was no fence up in the front, so there's a temporary one and they're putting up a new fence of some sort, but it's 10,000 square feet. I just want to know for Kitty and Jose Menendez, what their thought process was and why they felt like for four people, they needed a 10,000 square foot house. And I can't really say that much. We had five kids in our house, two parents. Well, actually it was really just four kids.

Well, four kids for like a short, maybe like a year, because Kyle was always like in boarding school, but we lived in a 20,000 Kyle was always like in boarding school. But we lived in a 20,000 square foot house. What? Yeah. Are you fucking with me? Yeah, I can look it up right now. I'll tell you like what this square footage was. I think it was 20,000 square feet.

Lindsay, when I lived in Middletown, that house that I briefly lived in to like try to be closer to Chris or whatever, like that time, I was trying to make it fair for all the dads. That house was like six or 7,000 square feet. I felt like that was entirely too much. I had no business living there when I only had my kids half the fucking time. Only now that I'm a family of nine, do I feel like 6000 square feet is reasonable? Okay, well, I lied. This is per Zillow. 30,000 square feet, nine bedrooms, 12 baths. What was done with all of that house?

Like, how do you clean it, heat it, cool it? Like, that's a lot of funds just to like keep it running. Full time, full time, like, housekeepers, housekeepers. Yeah, 30,000 square feet. Like I'm not even kidding. When I was in high school, I could go to my bedroom on Friday after school. And if I chose not to see anyone, I wouldn't see anybody until I started walking out the door on Monday to go back to school. I'm low key speechless.

So I feel like 10,000 square feet for four people sounds reasonable in comparison. In comparison to... Okay. So here's the thing. I learned when I lived in a house that was, and I hope that this doesn't make anyone feel like I'm out of touch, right? Because I feel like that Middletown house really brought me right back to ground, to earth. The 6,000 square feet, there was a lot of house that I... I think it was 7,000 square feet. It was a lot of house that we didn't use. And so when I built this house that we're currently in, I said, I do not want formal dining room, formal living room, formal anything. I don't want any part of this house to go unused. When I tell you at

where I'm at currently, right this second, every square inch of this house gets used, I'm not exaggerating. There's not a room in this house that we do not touch. There's not a room in this house that doesn't go unused on a regular basis, especially now that the twins are in their own room. Every single part of this house gets used. And I love that. I think we just need slightly different, like a different layout. So I want to keep the square footage maybe slightly bigger, same sort of dynamic, but just a different layout. So like I want to keep the square footage maybe slightly bigger, same, just same sort of dynamic, but just a different layout I think would be, would solve all of our issues. But 10,000 square feet. I mean, I'm thinking to myself, to Kristin, I said to her, I said, what in the fuck were they doing with 10,000 square feet? There

was four of them. I guess the boys had five and they had five and judging on the type of marriage that they had, they probably needed all of that five to split. I just was floored. I also visited the abandoned Parilsen, remember Dr. Parilsen, who attacked his wife and killed his wife with a ball peen hammer and then attacked one of his children and then killed himself. Do you remember that story that we covered? So I visited that house, Kristen and I did. I won't go into full details

about that story. However, I will say that I saw the plans for what they want to do with the house, like the developer wants to do to the house. And I called the realtor and I left a message to see like, what is it listed for? What is like, I just want to talk to them about it. Cause I told Kristen, I was like, listen, I'll buy this house right up. You don't got to tell me twice. I called, I left a message. I have not received a call back, so I guess they're not very interested in selling it. The eerie feeling that I got just being around it, it felt very weird. Rebekah Boruck Wait. Did you feel the eerie feeling around the Menendez house or no? Around the Menendez house, I felt like the houses are like, you can reach out the window

and touch your neighbor's house. Like that's how close together they are. So when it puts it put things into perspective, when you're thinking of a shotgun going off as many times as it did, it made me wonder how nobody heard all the police sooner. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they heard it, but they didn't do anything about it. And when I tell you, like, I mean, these houses are like directly next to each other. Like maybe a fence could go in between them. Maybe, maybe. But could you imagine living in Beverly Hills and just hearing pew, pew, pew, and not doing anything about it? because I'm immediately

grabbing my life alert, like calling 911, like I'm doing all things. The only other thing that I can think of is that I looked up some of the houses around the Menendez house, like that house specifically, they're all over 5,000 square feet. So the other thing that I thought was like people with that sort of money, like maybe they were in their own world in like deep into their houses and really just didn't pay any mind to it. I don't know. I just feel like that's something that you would absolutely hear. Here. I don't care about how many square feet that you have. But think about it, right? Like say, say a neighbor called 911. I heard these gunshots.

I heard several of them and then they go and then the cops come. If there's nothing sort of out of place going on outside the homes, what are they going to do? They're going to go knocking on every individual door? Maybe they could patrol, but what else would... Nothing was really out of the ordinary because it wasn't outside. It was deep inside the house. Hmm. Hmm. Well, oh wow.

I just looked down at my phone and got a text message. From who? From a person that I don't want to talk about. Moving on, that really caught me off guard. Okay. So wait, speaking of murderers, Scott Peterson update. So there is a Scott Peterson update. I know that you love following this case. So I'm going to read this to you. So Scott Peterson's defense team can review decades old evidence the judge rules. So another twist in the Scott Peterson's ongoing fight to prove his innocence, a judge granted access to decades old evidence. This development comes nearly two decades after he was convicted for the 2002 murder of his pregnant wife, Lacey, and their unborn

son, Connor. So they're saying that Peterson's Tevens team can review previously undisclosed materials that could support their claims of trial irregularities and potential evidence mishandling. This access includes DNA evidence and other forensic materials that Peterson's team and the Los Angeles Innocence Project believe will support their case for his new trial. So I wanted to get your thoughts on that. I guess my question on that is why did his initial team not present any of this stuff at the initial trial?

So that I don't know. It does say here that his team requested access to 600 pieces of evidence from agencies that included the Modesto Police Department. Of those hundreds of requests, the court only granted access to around three dozen requests. Some of the evidence requested were audio and video recordings and transcripts of interviews conducted by the Modesto Police Department related to a burglary. I think what they're trying to do is request evidence that could potentially support another theory, because I think that's what they say. I think that his defense team has always maintained that Scott fit their narrative, and so that's sort of what they ran with.

But in this particular case, I don't know. At what point, and I've said this before about several cases, is like, at what point does the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming that you have to consider it more than circumstantial evidence, right? Like there has to be that. So, um, but with, with some of this evidence, I feel like there were so many people in this particular case that you've got to consider that this was over Christmas holiday, like Christmas Eve, Christmas Day. It made national headlines so fast. You're talking about a beautiful woman, very pregnant,

living in a relatively safe neighborhood. I just feel like everyone was trying to find her. So some of the stuff that they were getting leads on weren't actually leads. It was just people trying to do their best to recall, or maybe they convinced themselves of things that nobody wanted to like really care because they were like, that's probably not even valid.

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For years, Tim Ballard has been championed as a modern-day superhero. The first time I saw one of the kids from the video, and it like changed my life. He was the face of Operation Underground Railroad, a movement that inspired hope around the world by rescuing children from human traffickers. However, Ballard's crusade to save innocent lives has always hidden a darker secret. Well, I think he's a pathological liar. Beneath the accolades and the applause, a dark storm has been brewing. I mean, I can't find a time that he's told the truth about anything.

Shocking allegations of sexual misconduct have surfaced, casting a shadow over his once unquestioned reputation. I am host Sarah James McLaughlin. And in this new season of The Opportunist, we explore the rise and the fall of Tim Ballard. Join us this October for Tim Ballard unmasking a hero. Subscribe to a new season of The Opportunist now wherever you get your podcasts. of the opportunists now wherever you get your podcasts. So does the Innocence Project support Scott Peterson's innocence? Is that what's happening? Well, Kayl, I think that's the whole point of the Innocence Project.

But I thought, I don't know much. Let me look it up because I don't know much about the Innocence Project. I thought the Innocence Project was more like people who the general public also agree are probably innocent. The general public does not agree that he's innocent. So why would the Innocence Project even support anything related to Scott Peterson? Well, maybe to multiple times your point, you think that there is circumstantial evidence that could clear his name to some degree to say, okay, well, you know, that's plausible that it didn't happen, right? Maybe the Innocence Project is like, well, we also agree with that theory.

TheInnocenceProject.org says, we work to free the innocent, prevent wrongful convictions, and create fair, compassionate and equitable systems of justice for everyone. Personally, I also like, do I think that he could get acquitted based on a lack of evidence? Yes. Do I think that he's innocent? No. Do I think that the innocence project should back him? Absolutely the fuck not. Okay. So you are in agreement that they should not be backing him. 100%. But if we're just talking about legalities and the way that the system works, maybe based off of that, you might not be wrong that there wasn't enough to actually convict for what

he was convicted for. Right? I mean, look at the overwhelming circumstantial evidence for Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson. If they were acquitted, I do feel like if we're, if that's what we're doing, then, then technically Scott should have also been acquitted. But do I agree that he's innocent? No. Do you think any of those three were innocent? No, I don't think Casey was very much guilty and OJ Simpson is very much. Can you believe OJ Simpson died? Yeah. Are you just finding this out? He died of cancer like moons ago. Oh, did you just figure this out today?

No, but I just can't like it feels unreal. Okay. So let's argue for a minute. Okay. You say that they're all guilty. How do you hold that theory that they're all guilty, but the Menendez brothers should be released? Well, I think that 34 years served for living an entire prison sentence of their own lives their entire childhood and being abused. I don't agree that it's grounds for murder, but I also feel like 34 years served is enough. I also feel like the good that they have done since being in prison is more than probably Gypsy Rose even did.

I was watching, it was like a movie of the Menendez brothers. I think it was on Netflix. I was watching that sometime late last week and someone was at my house and he was like, how does anyone think that these boys are innocent or should get out? They were out buying Rolexes, out buying Porsches, hiring tennis pros, doing all of this stuff. To me, there was no guilty conscience there. If you can just go tap into money, literally blow your parents' brains out, go tap into money, and just be living this lavish lifestyle. Well, I think it was also proven

that they actually spent their normal, they spent what they normally spent. So they were just allowed to go out and buy like Rolexes and Porsches and like all of these things. I mean, it definitely was a bad look, but I mean, we're talking about an 18 and 21 year old boy. And given the level of trauma

that they had prior to the murders, I just don't feel like necessarily they were 18 and 21. I feel like they were stunted in a lot of ways. And so that needs to be considered. I mean, we also need to consider the level of abuse and what was happening. And I think that they were very conflicted. I think that it was very much a situation where they had a conflict within themselves.

I will say this, I do think that Lyle was more of like a ringleader in all of this and Eric was sort of like followed suit. But I think that being said, like all the things have to be considered, right? Like they were devastated that they, I don't think that they realized the permanence of killing their parents and what that actually meant.

I think they were just trying to get out of their hell hole of a life. And you also have to think about Jose Menendez is out here buying 10,000 square foot houses. Look who their dad was. Do you know what I'm saying? Look at the behaviors that their dad was doing and the things that he was buying and the things that they were doing. And so of course they're going to go out and buy things and do all of that.

Do you know what I mean? I feel like when you are living a certain type of lifestyle and then your parents are killed or you kill your parents, you're going to continue living that lifestyle. I think both can be true. They were spending and they shouldn't have, but they are also conflicted in the murders of their parents. I mean, look what we did for Gypsy Rose. We're out here defending her every day and she was much older than the Menendez brothers

were when she killed her mother. I'm not defending her. What the fuck are you talking about? We did. Well, I mean, I guess, I guess you're right. I don't know. Last question I'm going to ask about the Menendez brothers. Do you think that it was very premeditated or do you think that it was kind of like, fuck, I don't want to deal with this anymore. Let's go like find guns somewhere. And they were kind of thinking through the process as they were doing it.

Or do you think that it was like a full like well thought out plan? We're killing them on this day. I do not think it was a full thought out plan. I think it was premeditated to some degree, but I do think that that should be considered. I don't know the law well enough to know premeditated, not premeditated, but what levels of premeditated there are, if they consider that at all. But I would think, no, it wasn't thought out in a full on, because they thought that someone was going to call the police before they ever did. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Do you know also, the last thing

I'll say is that they have college degrees. They got college degrees while they were in prison. No, I did not know that. Were they Ivy league schools? I mean, I don't know, wasn't one of them accepted into Princeton? Yeah, one of them. But how do you get degrees like in prison like that? I think it was like, from what I understand, a correctional facility has more opportunity for rehabilitation than another name, I think is what I, from what I understand. Interesting.

Moving on from this, I wanna know how you would feel about this because this shook me to my core and the way that I would absolutely riot. This is on people.com. It says parents say preschool teacher gave their kids sleepy stickers to keep them quiet. It says a Texas elementary school is under scrutiny after news reports that some preschoolers say they were giving sleeping aids by their teacher without their parents knowledge which the school district now says prompted the removal

of staff members from a classroom and the launch of an investigation. This happened in an elementary school and the news that reported this said that the school district was learning that the kids reveal sleepy stickers so that they would fall asleep. One of the women says that her daughter showed her like this patch and it sported like a nighttime design on it. So it's like one of the stickers that you would put like on your arm. And it had a nighttime design on it. She brought it home from school and the daughter said, this is a sleeping sticker. The mom asked, where did you get this?

And she said, my teacher gave it to me for sleeping time. I'm looking at the article right now and I see like the design and stuff. What goes through these people's heads? Like, do you think that that's one, legal, but two, just like morally and ethically okay? Like what the fuck is wrong with you? I just couldn't imagine. I mean, again, we're not teachers, right, but I couldn't imagine. That's like a premeditated thing. Like, what if a child had an adverse reaction to a sleepy pack? Because like, what is it infused with fucking melatonin? Like, what is it?

I, I don't know. I'm going to assume that it has some type of sleeping aid like melatonin in it. The way that I would absolutely lose my shit, I don't want to get shit for this, not judging any other moms out there. I used to give melatonin after doing some further research on it. I do not give melatonin anymore. I don't take it myself. And if a school teacher gave my child a sleepy sticker, I would absolutely lose my fucking mind. Another reason I would be in prison. I'd be in prison and I would also, I mean, I'd sue

everybody. Everybody would get sued. I just don't understand what was going through the teacher's mind when she went out, purchased these, bring them into her classroom. And did she like bamboozle these kids to think that they were receiving these as like awards? Or were they very clear on the fact that it was a sleepy sticker? Because if she's calling it a sleepy sticker, and the children are going home saying the teacher gave me a sleepy sticker, she wasn't trying to hide it that much. What were you didn't collect the sleepy stickers back before you sent the child? Make that

make sense for me. Also, I read something in the article that said, was it the teacher or the para in the classroom that gave it? Okay, the report that a teacher allegedly gave a student a sleepy aid is deeply troubling and completely unacceptable. I want to directly address the recent incident at this elementary school involving two teachers and two para professionals. So it was two actual teachers and then two paras. That is absolutely sick. So it also was like a joint effort and a premeditated situation. Did I tell you there's a school around here that's under investigation?

It was like the teachers and the paras that are under investigation. For what? Not doing good things to the students. Like abusing them basically. Wait, what? Yeah. I don't know if I talked about it or not, but basically they were like, I believe they were nonverbal. They were children with special needs. They would lock them in the

bathroom with lights off and torment them. Extreme abuse to do that. I mean, you shouldn't be doing that to any child, right? But to take advantage of children who have disabilities that can't advocate for themselves, you're talking about a nonverbal child. Yup. Like there's a special place in hell for people like that. I mean, anyone that fucks with children to any degree, I'm just like, why? If you don't want to deal with children, here's a fucking idea. Don't. Don't. Literally don't have a job. And I don't care if you have to pay your bills. If you don't want to deal with children, here's a fucking idea. Don't. Don't.

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Which article is this? Is this Mississippi or is this addicted? This is not this is not fucking addicted. This is a woman making facing stalking charges for sending 65,000 text messages. Oh, I've seen this. I saw this piece. She's crazy. But look at her eyes. She looks like crazy eyes from Mr. Deeds. Yeah. It says, you think you've been on a bad date, we're pretty sure it went nothing like this. A Phoenix area man went on a date,

one date with a woman that he met online. The meeting likely didn't go well. Not only wasn't there a repeat, he blocked her from the dating app. And that was last year. Soon afterwards, things went very wrong from threatening text messages. Please say in the next 17 months, the woman sent the man text messages, about 65,000 of them, including 500 in one day.

I mean, what would you do if you got 500 messages from someone? Run my phone over with my Bronco. I'm just wondering what she had to say in all those messages. Could we get a brief description on what the messages entailed? Well, court documents said that prosecutors laid out how threatening the tone of some of them were. One of them said, don't ever try to leave me. I will kill you.

I don't want to be a murderer. And another one, she said that she would kill him if he left her and will wear his body parts and bathe in his blood. Imagine someone says that to you. Also she had some, or he, I guess, had some uninvited visits. When he was out of town, he noticed that his home, on his home surveillance, that she broke into his house and was taking a bath in his tub. Oh, so we're giving Jodi arius vibes. Very much so.

Very much so. The police discovered not only an uninvited house guest, but also a large butcher knife in the front seat of her car. Jesus Christ. What goes through anybody? You need help. You're telling me that nobody in your life, in this woman's life, saw red flags before this and thought maybe she needed to be committed? Okay. That was going to be a question that I was going to ask you. Do people just turn into this one day or is this like a long string of events until they get to this point? This

is giving very, what was that reindeer movie or show? Yeah. Reindeer, baby reindeer. Yeah. It's giving those vibes. I feel like count me the fuck out if she woke up like this one day. I just feel like there had to have been warning signs beforehand because if we take it back to the beginning of this episode where I mentioned Dr. Parallson, I think he had warning signs before he like, I don't know, psychosis, schizophrenia, I don't know what he had, But I think there were warning signs beforehand. I feel like for this woman to escalate from this to that that quickly, there had to have been warning signs beforehand. She's 31 years old. So I just would like to hear from her parents, if there are any.

That's wild. Like, I kind of want to deep dive on this. It also says that a CNN affiliate actually interviewed her and which is even crazier. Like why would her legal counsel allow her to be interviewed? That's number one. But the fact that she agreed knowing that she's in jail for this and she still chose to be interviewed proves the level of like psychosis that's going on. She said she never intended to hurt the victim and that she still loves him. She moved to Arizona from Florida and first met him in January 2017 after initially connecting online.

She called the victim her soulmate and told reporters that he was her healing angel. Okay. Well, I love that for her, but she needs to do that from an institution. She needs to love him from an institution. So you know how we talk about like rehabilitating people that get locked up? Yes. I almost feel like someone like this is worthy of going to a mental facility over a jail. I would agree.

Because this is not like, yes, it's criminal, but I feel like this crime specifically is more like she's needing a full evaluation, regular treatment. She needs therapy. She needs to be in a facility that's not necessarily like a prison. So I would agree with that. This is a situation where if someone pled insanity, like I'm believing it and I'm good with that.

I would agree. I would agree with you there. We did also, we got an update about remember those cruises that we talked about where it was the adult only like swinging type of cruise? Yes. We got an update. Oh, wow. And this is from someone who attends them.

Oh, wow. She says, I'm writing because you asked for people to contact you with opinions about an adult only temptations cruise. I'm a woman that has been secretly living in this lifestyle for about five years. My husband has been living openly in this lifestyle for about five years. My husband has been living openly in this lifestyle for over 20 years. There are a lot of misconceptions about this lifestyle and the relationships within them. I would be very happy to help bring some understanding to the vanilla world by answering some of your questions. Yes, it is a secret way of living. It has to be. What a lot of people don't understand

is there is a societal stigma placed on this way of life, just the same as any other sexual stigmatization. A lot of people, myself included, stay in the shadows because being outed can cost us our family and jobs. Yes, we use a pineapple symbol to allow us to know when we are safe to be our true, authentic selves. I get sick to my stomach when vanilla people point out pineapples and say, look, that means they're a swinger. They could very well be outing someone and doing damage to that person's life, pretty similar to outing an LGBTQ plus person. No, we don't want you, your wife, or your husband. Typically, those that are in this lifestyle only participate in activities with those that have the same interests. So regardless of what everyone might think, we aren't on the prowl at social events trying to win over vanilla people to step into our secret world.

Look, I spend a lot of time teaching and taking care of my kids. I do not want to teach a vanilla person how to have multiple orgasms with multiple partners while staying clean and maintaining their privacy, plus maintaining multiple relationships. It's a lot to take on. And for what? 20 minutes of pleasure, hard paths. I'll gladly move on to having experiences with people that already know how to function in the secret world before investing my precious time alone away from my kids into someone for 20 minutes of a good time. I mean, to be fair, that's a really good point. Like why would they waste their time trying to win people

over that are probably not open to this lifestyle? Like that makes sense to me. While I agree with what she's saying and understand it, I do think that there are exceptions to rules in every type of situation. So do I believe that to be true for everyone that participates in that lifestyle? No, I don't. I think there are some thrill seekers that would do it for 20 minutes of pleasure. I would agree. I mean, it's the same way that like we talk about Christians and Christians, there are Christians who are like shoving it down people's throats. That doesn't mean

that every Christian is shoving it down someone's throat, right? I think that to her point, like, you know, people who participate in these types of things probably shouldn't be doing those things. But I mean, I agree with her. So she says, are there creeps that find their way into this life? Sure. They are, they are found and weeded out pretty quickly. As a female that lives this way, I have never felt more protected. Think about it. I'm, I'm surrounded by protective men and women. Nobody touches anyone without consent. Period. And God forbid a husband try anything without his wife's consent. It's a really good way to end your marriage. The women control everything in this life. None of us will stand for a woman being lied to or cheated on. The wife will find out. One of us will make damn sure of that. Relationships. There are

many kinds of relationships. We all know this. What I believe people overlook is the fact that having an open relationship of any kind takes a fuck ton more commitment, communication, and respect to maintain. An open relationship will take every issue there is and it puts it under a magnifying glass for everyone around you to see. So if you or your partner aren't on the same page, everyone will see you argue about it. Marriages are destroyed not because of the act of sex, but rather the act of not communicating with each other in this type of life. Friendships. I have made amazing friendships in this life. Actually, my pineapple friends are more dependable and reliable than my vanilla friends. Maybe it's because we have to be,

we all live with the same societal stigma. Maybe I'm a damn good friend that is worthy of helping no matter what. I highly doubt that it is because my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. There are so many more things to unpack with this topic. I'm sure you have many more questions, but you are welcome to email me back and I will do my best at answering them. We can even arrange a phone call with my husband if you want both of our perspectives. I hope I have answered at least some of your questions and concerns for the time being. Until next time, ladies, stand tall, be sweet, and wear your crown." And she said the pineapples, your pineapple friend. P.S. Kale, do not go on that cruise. It only takes one vanilla person in the room to stop a good time from happening. Pineapple people

will literally sacrifice themselves from being authentic to not offend anyone. Also safe sex is a must and rest assured everything stays sterile and clean. Okay. That's a lot for me to dissect, to digest. Yes. I didn't realize how deep and intricate this lifestyle was. Also, I would have never imagined that women would basically be the control people in this situation. I think it must take some, it must take a certain level of security

for a man to participate in it because I think that men scream from the rooftops that they want freaky women and freaky this and freaky that and a woman who does all the things. But in order to have that, the woman has to feel powerful and secure in her own skin and be able to be given the freedom to do those things. And so I feel like it takes a very strong type of person to be in a situation like this. I mean, I would agree with that.

And somebody who obviously does not have any type of like self-esteem issues, I guess. Actually, Kristin and I talked about this yesterday, our situations, like I want to be with one person. Okay. She is with one person. Would you be okay with an act like your your person is an actor and actress and they have make out and sex scenes like in

these movies they participate in? I wouldn't even be comfortable with that. So like I couldn't imagine just signing up for a situation being like, yeah, because we communicated, go fuck her. No. Go on yourself. I don't know if I would be cut out for it, but like, do I understand it? I feel like yes, because I've always said that I don't think that we're meant to be monogamous. So I do. And I don't know the older I get, the more I feel like that's, you know, that's true. But I don't because we communicated it. I don't know. Like, I don't know if I would be able to do

it. I don't know. Like, I don't have a feeling about it either way. Put it put it in perspective of your life. Like if Elijah came to you and was like, Hey, I want to have an open relationship. I really just like want to fuck that girl." You'd be like, all right, go fuck her and then come home. You know what? Here's the thing. Clearly, I've never been in this position before, right? But I think right now it would be like, well, unfortunately, we don't have time for extracurriculars right now, but we could revisit this when all the kids are older and we would have more time, but we don't even have time for each other. So even if he communicated that to me and we were open and honest about something like that, we just don't have the time. So

if he was dedicating the time while all these babies are one, it would be like, well, where is your priority? But say they're 15, I feel like I would be more open to it. I'd be like, okay, if it keeps our sex life alive and our love alive, why not? Could we try it? Maybe. But would you be okay with an open relationship or a swinging relationship? I think I would be more open to an open relationship versus swinging because I feel my own insecurities about my own sex life and I feel like it's so personal that I don't necessarily think

I'd be able to, like I don't think I would have the confidence to swing. One thing I do have a question about two swingers is okay, let's say you're a woman, you're married to your husband, and you guys are swinging with another woman and her husband. What if only one of you are attracted in that way to the other couple? Does someone take one for the team and just like fuck the other person? Well, and to that point, to that question, my stemming question would be, do you only do you have to be attracted to them?

To fuck them? Yes. Or could you be neutral? Could you be indifferent? Like I'm not attracted to you, but I'm not disgusted by you. Like could you, would you still have sex with that? Or, or is it a vibe? Is it an attraction, a mutual attraction? Or are you kind of just like sex is sex. It doesn't matter if you're attracted to them or not? I would be curious to know that sort of thing. It might vary by couple too, right? Maybe people who have one night stands, are you physically attracted to them? Is that what led to a one night stand? Or same for swinging, are you down because they're down or there's a mutual actual physical attraction?

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That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dotcom slash coffee today to get 10% off your first month. That's better help. H E L P dot com slash coffee. So I actually, um, speaking of one night stands, I had a conversation with one of my exes about one night stands and how that's like not a thing for me, not judging anybody who does it. Like if it's for you, it's for you. Just not something I'm going to participate in. But how does that actually transpire? In certain situations, I'm like, okay, people go out and get

shit-faced and they're like, okay, well, this girl is really digging me. So that's an easy situation. I'm going to go home. Do you continue to stay in contact with that person? Was it a lustful situation? Was it full blown attraction or was it just, okay, well, I just want to fuck, so I'm going to do that. My guess would be if there's alcohol or drugs involved, that it's not necessarily anything outside. What is it called? What is it called where you're like inhibitions? What is it called? Like your guards are down, so you don't really have the best judgments and things like that. I would guess that that's what it is most of the time, but I also don't know because I also haven't participated in one night stands, so I'm not entirely sure.

Nicole Sarris Back to your point of do you have to be attracted to the other person, I couldn't imagine like knocking boots with somebody that I wasn't attracted to. Interesting. I'm not interested to look at your dick. I'm not interested to look at your face. Well, I think that sometimes, and I don't know this for sure, but like, you know, if they're going to have a big old orgasm, I don't know that it necessarily matters what the person looks like, right?

But you don't know that. So you're going to add one to your body count to somebody that you're not attracted to and the dick also ain't working. Well, some people don't care about body counts. Some people don't even count at all. Have you? Have I what? Counted? I mean, I

know exactly how many people I've slept with, but I think that's because I can still count on two hands. So I think that that's just the way it worked out, but I think that a body count is just, they're not real. Christoph just said the way I'm gagging at big old orgasm. Can we call the podcast episode can be called big old O? I can't. I fucking can't. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's like virginity. The body count thing is just like a societal construct. It's not a real thing. I mean, I think that I would go out on a limb and say most people know who they've been with but also that's probably actually not true because it's based off the fact of how you consider sex, right?

Some people are just like, oh, I just want to have sex with someone. So they're probably not keeping track of that. But also I feel like the body count thing was more, and I don't know this for sure, I'm just talking shit, but I feel like women are more pressured to have a lower body count or to keep track of who they've had sex with and what their number is compared to a man who's not necessarily expected to do the same, to remember the girl's names, to do any of that. But women are supposed to remember all the things. Also keep it below a certain number.

Also be pure. Also do all of these things. And I feel like the stigma that this woman is talking about with this secret life is like, I feel like it's men and women who are open-minded and don't judge anyone based off of that. Where like the rest of us, like the vanilla people, are so judgmental and like rude about it. Which is so weird if you think about it. Like if you really think about it and like boil it down, it's like those are the people that are completely fine with it. Doesn't matter what a body type, what a body count is, who has slept with more people. And then like we're out here judging everybody and keeping track of who we've had sex with. Like, isn't that so weird?

It is weird, but maybe look at it from a different perspective. My standards for myself are one thing, but I don't maintain that same standard for anyone else. I don't care what anybody else does. Right. Okay. It's the same for me. So if someone's like, oh, I screwed five people last weekend. I'm like, good for you, girl.

Whatever's working for you. I'm not signing up for all that shit, but good for you girl. Like whatever's working for you. I'm not signing up for all that shit, but like good for you. Yeah. No, I, yeah. I don't, I love hearing people's sex stories. I'm never judging someone on their sex stories. Like tell me more. I need to know. I need to know. And I actually need to know every last detail. So if you're writing in, don't leave anything out. Can I tell you about this Kentucky woman who was addicted?

Yes, please tell me about her. You're going to die. So it says, it says Kentucky woman and addicted and murder of mom who was dismembered and put in a pot. I'm sorry, what? Correct. It says a Kentucky woman who was arrested after police found her mother's dismembered body in her yard was indicted on murder charges Monday. Police called to were called to a home and I don't even know how to say this part of northern Kentucky. But on Wednesday found the body and human remains inside are inside and outside of the house after obtaining a warrant. are inside and outside of the house after obtaining a warrant. They arrested this woman. She was 32 years old and charged her with abuse of a corpse, evidence of tampering

and obstruction. She was indicted by a grand jury and she was also indicted on a charge of killing a dog. I just read that. I pulled up the article. So if I'm looking at my phone on this camera, you guys know what I'm doing. This is insane. So she killed her own. Okay. Oh, and she was killed between October 8th and 9th. She refused to come out of the house after police found her mother's body, which was in the backyard near a bloody mattress. I am so fascinated by cases like this because I don't understand, like, what is the psychology behind doing something like this? I cannot wrap my head around it. Was there not warning

signs prior to, did she always live there? It says, while searching the home, officers found a steel pot in the oven containing charred human remains. Did she put her in the oven? I mean, obviously the whole thing's evil, right? But did she put her in the oven because she was going to eat the remains or did she put her in the oven to like, try to get rid of the remains? I'm going to go with possibly eat them because why would you have a bloody mattress outside with also remains on them thinking nobody's going to find out. So my question too is like, did someone was she missing and someone reported called in

a welfare check, that sort of deal. And then that sort of how it was discovered or what was going on that they felt they needed to come out to the house because that's also fascinating to me. Why do they live together? Did they always live together or did the mom? I just don't understand. Also, do we think that she was killed like inside the house? It said she was killed by stabbing. So do you think that she was killed inside the house while she was sleeping on the mattress and then she drug the mattress outside with the body on it and then started dismembering it and then started burning it.

Well, it said that the woman would actually not even come out but because they used gas inside of the house. After several hours, she exited with blood on her face, hands and clothing. So she was like in the act of doing it. Mentally, like what happens to these people? You can't tell me that someone just snaps in a spur of a moment and is like, okay, I'm going to stab her and then I'm going to cut her entire body up and then I'm going to put it in a pot in the oven and burn it. Could it be psychosis maybe or something?

I don't know what causes people to do these in like these wild acts of violence. But like this is also a case that I want to follow in its entirety to find out all of the information. Oh, I just can't that makes me sick. And then it says that there was a bond set for her for $1.5 million. Like, why was she not denied bond? I mean, she's probably not coming up with a $1.5 million. Why was she not denied bond? I mean, she's probably not coming up with a $1.5 million. She has a public offender or public offender, public defender. She's probably not coming up with a $1.5 million. So maybe that was the judge's way of being

like, okay, I'm going to issue this because you're never going to be able to get it. But what if she could have gotten it? Why the fuck is she allowed to be on the streets? No, but here's my next question going back to the mental facility where with rehabilitation, do you think she needs to be behind bars? Or do you think that someone like this needs to be in a facility for rehabilitation? You don't know where I think that she needs to be. You don't want to know that answer. Okay. That reason alone, we're going to do foul play. We're going to do foul play. I have a foul play for you. So long

story short, when I was 13 weeks pregnant, the man I was married to for two years, um, and with for almost seven years decided that I was the wrong woman. Oh shit. Well, that's a little too late. Fast forward a few months, I was raising a seven week old and separated. I decided since I had been separated for over seven months, just waiting on a court date to be officially divorced, it was time to start dating again. I got on Tinder and went on my first date. He was a nice guy, but within a week we were doing it.

I had just cleared my six week postpartum appointment and of course was in the mood all the time with this new hot man. I want to go back to that. Well, I was on top and all of a sudden my milk started leaking and I was like, what the fuck is this? And then I realized and was mortified. I barely knew this guy and could not make it stop. It was on his bed, face, chest. I was so embarrassed. I was exclusively pumping but had no idea that this could even happen during sex. Needless to say, he loved it. Fast forward three years, we're now married, have a baby of our own, and he wishes that it would happen again. Unfortunately for him, it never did

while I was exclusively pumping for our son who was 11 months old. How soon after you had children, I know you have a lot of experiences and she did it seven times. How soon were you knocking boots? The soonest I think was after I think it was Lux was like within the first week or two after. Ma'am. But that was mental illness. So you had locks and then went home and did that. I thought that if I did, he wouldn't cheat on me. We need a therapy session. Yeah. That was mental illness on my end for sure. So that was the soonest that you did it like a week. Yeah. Yeah. What's the longest? Oh, God, more than two months, three months, probably more than that.

So after I had Jackson, I don't know what it was. I don't know if like men go through this. But I feel like will wanted to be on me way more like after I had him than ever before. So I don't know if it was just the fact of him seeing me become a mother, like what the psychology behind that was. But I was like, absolutely not. In no way, shape or form am I being touched. Like at that point in my life, I was a major rule follower. I'm like, they said, you know, six weeks, so we can't do this for six weeks. I think it was like seven weeks before we did.

Yeah. And I think I've said this before, like on other episodes, but I thought it was more so because you were healing, but it's actually because you're fertile, like you're the most fertile. Wait, I forget you're telling me that. Oh, really? Yeah. So I had always thought like you are healing. So like literally don't have sex because you're like damaged, you're like vagina.

And it's actually because you're the most fertile. Oh my God. Thank God I waited six weeks. I would have two kids. I know. Could you imagine? I can't picture you with two kids. I mean, I would support it up 10 times over, but I just know like Lindsay Jackson. You know what I mean? I'm like a one kid mommy. Yeah. You know? Also, has that ever happened to you, like squirting your partner with breast milk?

Because that's definitely happened to me. Oh, for sure. On purpose, mostly on purpose, but mostly. Oh, like to share with the class? Yeah. I remember when I like was breastfeeding Lincoln and Javi didn't have to get up in the middle of the night, so I just would squirt him to like, here, wake up with me. You know what I mean?

Like in his eyeballs, his ears. Yeah. He was like. That's what he mean? Like in his eyeballs his ears That's what you do yeah, he would do that So dead We're we're gonna be killed. Okay. Thank you guys for always supporting our show Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app follow or rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your podcast Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community you get your podcast. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. Full video episodes are now available on Kale's

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