Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Till Murder Do Us Part

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

CC361: Lindsie does a show and tell that we didn't expect, and also gives an update on Birdie. Kail and Lindsie finally recap and talk about the Netflix docu-series Til Murder Do Us Part: Soering vs. Haysom. Lindsie is obsessed with watching Bethany Frankel's Tiktok and Kail relates very much to both of today's Foul Plays. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsor!  Apartments: Visit Apartments.com, a place to find a placeBetter Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthExpressVPN: For three extra months free visit ExpressVPN.com/KAILProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn moreSignos: Go to Signos.com and use code COFFEE to get up to 20% off select plans for you todayStitch Fix: Get started today at StitchFix.com/coffeeconvos and get $20 off your first fix

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. We're both wearing brown, Welcome. This is not brown. What is it? Are you colorblind? Possibly. Lincoln did get it from my side. Um, no. This was, I'm appalled that you even said anything about this because it's a problem that I need to take up with everybody who's listening to this and also you and also Kristen. So what do you mean?

This is Gray, actually. Okay. Nobody fucking argue with me this morning. Okay. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. Good fucking morning. Nice to see you. Nice to see you.

It feels like it's been a lifetime. Was anybody ever going to inform me that Dick's sporting goods carries free people movement because you gatekeeping hoes out there? I just learned that like as of yesterday. No, like just a few days ago, one of my girlfriends had sent me this bag. I actually have the bag and then she got a dupe of a free people bag. And then when she showed me the link, I know it's the quilted one. Yeah, I have that. I literally showed it to

you months ago from free people and now it's at Dix. Yes, they have free people movement at Dix. And now when Kristen sees my charge card, and I have all these dick charges. my charge card and I have all these dick charges. Oh, I just said dick charges. Dicks charges. It's it's free people movement or it's mini bog bags. Okay. Oh, I'm obsessed with the bog bags free people move like all of it. But also here's a just like a tip. The clear bags or you can use packing cubes, I guess that I use in my bog bags to separate things.

You can also use in the free people bag. And I'm also going to post a dupe. I don't know, Kristen's probably going to kill us. I'm surprised she hasn't sent us a message yet on this recording saying we're not allowed to say the word dupe. I went through a really hard time on my Instagram stories with that. Kristen was like, that's illegal. Yeah, it's not. Remember when, and we talked about this before, but when people were doing designer knockoffs and then that's illegal,

I think the dupe and knockoff terms are also not great for just everyday items either. I say look alike. Or similar items. Yeah. Like when I do my outfit link, look for less. And sometimes I have a combination of like the brand name and then also similar items. Sometimes when I do like my outfits of the day links, I will link items that are similar or for a lack of better words, dupe. So Kristen types in the chat and I quote, you can say dupe on here, laugh out loud. They were getting fucked on social media, getting accounts removed because of dupes.

Yeah. Yeah. Bitch, if we're trying to save money, don't report my account because I'm being savvy with my dollars. Well, let's coin a new term for dupe. Let's coin one because we could do looks for, but like what is a like do- Looks for less. No, but like, because I love skims, but not everyone has skims money. So like, I know there are really good alternatives that are so similar. So like, I know there are really good alternatives that are

so similar. So like, what is the word for do? Speaking of skims, someone sent me, okay, so I had posted that I ordered men's boxers to like sleep in. And someone said that skims has great ones. Yes. But I need these to be like the size of a large man where I can roll the band. I think I just peed in this chair. Replica. I just peed a little. Replica. I'll be on the lookout for you because I also really like the boxer short, I guess, trend

that's happening right now. The problem is that I'm very back heavy, upper back and lower back. But my butt is that they don't necessarily look good on me. So if I wear the boxer trendy shorts, I have to wear one of those super long button ups over at the boyfriend button up to cover the backside because it's just not flattering. But Elijah set up my gym equipment right here in the office. I'm going to be working out soon.

What is this equipment? I got a bench to do like my arm work set workouts and like lay back and do like all this stuff. And then I got free weights and then I got resistance bands because I also bought two gym memberships for two different towns and I have not gone one single time. So it just takes so much time. So I'm going to try to work out here and we'll see what happens. Okay. So I don't know if you remember this, but I said that I needed to be able to work out outside of the house. Yes. Because I'm just always in this fucking place. because I'm just always in this fucking place. I now have changed up my entire game

and who I am as a human being. And I don't know what it is about this move, but I just feel like I'm gonna be in my house all the time. Okay. I'm like in that era. And you probably, I mean, I love, since I moved into this house, I have never stayed home as much as I do in this house.

Like I love being at home. I cannot wait to get over there so that I can just be in my soft girl Pinterest mom era that I thought I was never going to return to. I also want to buy a Pilates reformer and just do it at home. What is that? It's like the thing that you lay on to do your Pilates reformer and just do it at home. What is that? It's like the thing that you lay on to do your Pilates workouts.

And I feel like I can just get one of those like little roller TVs and do a guided workout. Can you send me links for this? Because I feel like that could be up my alley. Well, I don't really have links, but Kristin is going to help me find links to this because I don't really know what I'm supposed to be buying. And I also don't know how much this cost. So I will keep you updated. I also wanted to ask you if you still had your treadmill that you were gifted. No, no.

I sold it actually. I made some money. So you did? Yeah. Well, before we get started, do you want me to show you something? Yes, I do. This is the thing that I've been hiding from Kristen. Are you ready? Yes.

What is his name? Oliver. Stop it. Is that the one that you sent me a picture of? Wait, Kristen didn't know about this? No. How did you keep that baby so quiet? I don't know. But this is him. Christian said, shut the fuck up. Shut up. Wait, wait. So when did you get him? Um, last night at 630. Have a whole story behind this. I need to hear it. Obviously. Yeah, you, you do need to

hear this entire story. So we know that I got Birdie whenever I was with Trent. Yes. And I had got her from the same breeder that we got Georgia. Right. This woman went through a divorce in between the time of me getting Georgia and me getting Birdie. Okay. Because we had such a great experience with Georgia is why I went back to her to get Birdie. Okay. Because we had such a great experience with Georgia

is why I went back to her to get birdie. Okay, tracking. From the start, and Kristin can attest to this, there was always something that was off. About birdie or with the breeder? About birdie and the breeder. Okay. Like the demands for money,

the amount of money, which I understand inflation like when I bought Georgia different time, right? But also I see, yes, I see where you're going with that. But also if you're a returning customer, you would think, not customer, but client, I would think that they would either grandfather you in for the cost or give you a deal or you know what I mean? So I was told that the dog was going to be the same size as Georgia. When I got her, she was not. She was already almost the size of Georgia at what I thought was 11 weeks old.

I was lied to about when the dog was born. I took the dog to the vet. And they said there is no possible way that this is an 11 week old puppy. I had DNA done on the dog. And it came back wonky, like various different breeds of dogs in her did you do the same thing for Georgia? So to be able to come here? Like with siblings like normal like humans siblings who have the same parents could inherit different I don't want to call it ethnicities, but maybe it is ethnicities like Lincoln and not Lincoln and Lux. Lux and Creed both come from me and Chris, but one could be more Mexican than the other. One could be more black than the other. So that is possible. Well, but, but if there's

different ones altogether, that's a little, that's a little weird. So Georges came back exactly what I was told that she was, which was a second generation golden doodle. Okay. So, both her parents were golden doodles. She was second generation. Okay. I do the DNA on Birdie because something just wasn't right from the time I got her.

Okay. DNA comes back weeks later and there is like, I'll have to pull up the DNA report, but I believe it was like chow chow, what's that, chowawa, bijan, golden retriever, and poodle. So as she was interacting with Jackson, she resource guarded, and I talked about this on the Southern Tea a little bit with Kristin because she's like a dog lady. And it scared me because the dog would go in the bed and have a bone and if anyone even got close to the bed, she would start biting. Oh, so like kind of like inbreed, some trait characteristics of inbreeding. Same thing with the food, some health issues. I believe she has a tilted urethra

and pees all the time everywhere. Like she was impossible to train. Like you can't, no matter how much we tried, we sent her back to the breeder pretty quickly after we got her. And she had told Kristin that she would keep her for two weeks during a training. Okay.

After she got her for two days, she said that she was sending her back. I'm like, okay, well, that's not what we agreed to. Also paid for this, blah, blah, blah. Long story short, she also bit Will when he came into the house and it became a liability to have her here. Bit Jackson multiple times. So unfortunately, I had to rehome Bertie to an older man who has a grown daughter and larger dogs and lives on a farm.

She's doing great there, but still has some of the same issues. And it was a sad decision that I had to make, but I can't have a dog like that in my house. I agree. And if I had any other children over at my house and the dog bit, that's a liability on me. I agree. I do agree.

And that doesn't make it any less hard or any easier or, you know, it's still heartbreaking, right? Because you get attached to this dog or this puppy and then, you know, it just isn't working out. And sometimes that sometimes that is the decision that you have to make. And I think that, you know, the, the animal lovers that listen to this are not going to love that, but the alternative would have been what to put the dog down are not going to love that, but the alternative would have been what? To put the dog down? She drew blood on Will and he's six, five, 200 and something pounds. So I just think that, I mean, if she's happier on the farm, I think then that was the best case scenario, right? Like that's the best case scenario. I still get updates on her and I check on her

regularly. I did not charge her rehoming fee. I just wanted her to go to a good home that was more equipped to deal with those issues. My mom called and actually talked to the breeder before I rehomed Birdie to see if there was anything that we could do or if she would even be possibly interested in taking her back. We didn't want any money back. It was just like we want her to have a good home and this is not the home for her. And my mom suspect that she there was a possible inbreeding issue. She is very, very strong for her size. She had buts. There's But there's just a lot of things that were going on.

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His name was Buddy when I was in fifth grade. Jackson is entering fifth grade and now he has Oliver. Oh, that's cute. He has a dapple mini weenie. And look at his little weenie on a weenie. Make sure that you go, make sure you get his anal glands expressed. You can even take them to like a PetSmart or just like a regular groomer because they are notorious for getting clogs in their anal work. Bumble?

Weeners? You're kidding. No, you probably didn't know that when you were in fifth grade, but I'm telling you so that you and Jackson don't have anal gland juice all over your hardwood floors or your area rugs in your new house. Just make sure that when you go... Because they don't need to be groomed, they just get

bathed and get their nails done. But before they get bathed at a groomer, they will express the anal glands so that they don't leak or get infected or get enlarged. I just wanted to give you that little tip. Well, I've only had him since 630 last night and my mom drove all the way to Oklahoma from Oklahoma to deliver him to me. Oh, that was sweet. She's also in love with him. I love him. He is the sweetest thing. I didn't even know he was there. I know. And he already goes to the bathroom outside

like they're knock on wood. There hasn't been any accidents. He slept with me last night, put him to bed at 10 30 woke up. Also, can I just say for anyone listening to this podcast right now who likes dogs or has dogs or is wanting to get a puppy? One of my biggest pieces of advice for whether you adopt, whether you get a from a breeder any wherever you get your puppy, my advice is to wait until the summer and I'm gonna tell you why.

When I, Buddha and Karma, one I got in the summertime and one I got in the winter time, Karma potty trained like this. She, because I literally set an alarm on my phone every two hours and I crate trained. So it was like in the crate, set my alarm all throughout the night. In the summertime, it's not bad because you're not going out in the

freezing fucking cold. So she was already potty trained by the time winter rolled around. So then when I had Buddha, I got him in December. Oh, when I tell you the nightmare that Buddha and he's an angel now, like I could not live without Buddha. He was a nightmare to potty train because it was a winter baby. It was to try to get him crated and then go outside and then, oh my God, it was a fucking nightmare. I just suggest if you're going to get a dog or a puppy, I understand if you're getting

from a breeder, which some families do, and I don't want any fucking, I don't want Lash Back on this podcast about it. That is just the best choice for some people to try to find a breeder or ask for a litter that is going to be born and ready for the summertime so that in the summertime you can take them out all night long. I know a lot of people get puppies like around Christmas time and stuff because they want Christmas puppies. Don't do it. And I feel like that's the most chaotic time to actually get a dog.

Agreed. So many things that are going on during the holidays chaotic time to actually get a dog. Agreed. So many things that are going on during the holidays that I think people see a puppy and they're like, oh, this is good and great until the reality of the situation sinks in. I agree. I also just want to say that this puppy slept with me last night, all through the night, didn't move one time. He has not barked. I know.

I wouldn't even have known. This is going to be a great situation for me. I also wanted to say the reason that I was so fearful of the resource guarding and stuff with the food and the bones with Birdie. I was attacked by a dog at the end of my fourth grade year, a Border Collie. No, a Border Collie saved my life. That makes me so sad. Yeah.

So we were playing in a cul-de-sac. We had just relocated to Atlanta from South Carolina and my parents were initially splitting 50-50 custody with us. And it was a really hard time for us to adjust. So my dad got me a dog. And it was a little Westie dog, like the one on Caesar's dog food. So I had her out with these girls that I met on our street. And so I started playing with them. We went to elementary school together. And I had the little dog out on a walk. And this border collie came out to go to the bathroom and I think was going for the dog.

But then came for me, ripped my blue jean pants off, like tattered my pants on the front, drug me down the street. And I had to go home like that. And my dad had to take tweezers to like pick off my jeans that were in my legs. So I just don't deal with dog biting at all. It's that's kind of aggression. I can't. I would agree with that. I think that's but I mean, you have children to protect, right? Like it's not like an adult that has because there are some adults that I think are more equipped for like, not saying that

someone's going to enjoy getting bit by a dog, but maybe adults that are in a house that are willing to work with a dog one on one that has an aggressive personality or is biting and stuff. I have never really had, well, I've never really had a dog biting experience growing up. So I've never, I don't know what that's like, but I can imagine that it would be awful. I'm still scared of large dogs. Like they can be the kindest, sweetest, whatever. And I just have a fear. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm sad because I was saved by a border collie.

So I never had one myself. But I loved ginger. I love ginger for you. Moving on. Okay, I have a question for you before we move on actually. Okay. Would you rather have your sex tape leaked or have your therapy sessions leaked? Interesting that you're asking me this question.

I mean. Never been outside of the dog biting incident. Never have I been more fearful of a sex tape being leaked to the media and online. That's the most scared that I've ever been in my entire life. Yeah. That's your vagina, possibly your butthole. I would rather people know the problems that I have,

I think, than seeing me. You know what? I think it's different too for men versus women because initially I was thinking my sex tape, but then I feel like the criticisms that I would get for my sex tape, oh, I'm not doing enough. She's doing too much. Oh, her butthole is a little darker than we expected.

Like there's just some things that the criticism that would come from a leaked sex tape, I would not be able to survive that, I don't think. And then second to that, I feel like if people knew what I talked about in therapy, not saying that I would allow this, but if it was a choice, maybe would humanize me a little

bit more to the trolls or to people who need therapy. It might be like, oh, wow, like this normalizes and humanizes her. Like maybe I should try to go to therapy too. So I would agree that I would rather have my therapy sessions. I just think having sex with somebody to me, and I understand that everybody does not look at it the same way. Some people can look at sex as just sex, right? It's like this physical act. For me, any person that I've ever sexually been with to any capacity has been because

it's more than just sex. It's an emotional connection. Right. So the betrayal of people being able to have like an inside into that and like what's going on would be an emotional betrayal and physical betrayal. I could agree with that. I mean, I think I've definitely had, let me not,

let me just, I mean. Some people out there just banging to be banging and they don't care, you know? And that's okay. Even still, like I am so insecure about that stuff that I would not, I would know. Absolutely. I have to ask you this question

now that you've put me on the spot. Okay. Are you sexually confident when you are with your partner, just like you and him, are you more sexually confident in that moment or are you still not? It depends. It depends.

I think that, so I've lost roughly 15 pounds since I had the twins and it wasn't easy. It actually left and then came back and then it is gone now. I feel like I'm more confident like this week and I feel pretty good. Oh, this week? Yeah. So I think it just depends on like, honestly depends on like the day and the week because like, I don't know, it just depends what I have going on upstairs. And you're admitting that you and Elijah are knocking boots

again. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. I actually gave him sex eyes yesterday. Because he like lifted his shirt up. And I was like ready to like, knock, knock boots. What did you say? Knock boots? Yeah. He was like, wait, you gave me sex like, can I can you demonstrate like what the sex eyes are? And he was like, wait, you gave me sex like, can I can you demonstrate like what the sex eyes are? And I was like, no, like it was in an in the moment thing. But I guess I

didn't give them properly because he didn't get like get what I was memo. No. So I was like, what happened last night? Like I was reading my book. And I knew like, in my head, I knew like, okay, one more chapter and then we can fuck. But when I was reading, when I was reading one more chapter, he went to sleep. So all of a sudden I hear him snoring and I'm like, I was planning, like I expected him to read my mind because I had given him sex eyes like 20 minutes before that.

So I thought that we were on the same page. But we were not. I need to ask this too, and this is to everybody who's listening and also you, is it a turnoff if you go to get in the bed and someone's laying on their phone beside you? At that point, I'm rolling over. Like you should have been prepared when I was getting in the bed for this. But sometimes he's prepared and I don't want anything to do with it.

No, I always want something to do with it. Really? Yeah. Oh, God. Sometimes you know what? You don't have small babies. I feel like they wear me out. They like wear me out. Like, we have a strict like 536 3730s bedtime. If they go off that schedule. I'm upset. They're not even as upset. I'm like, I need five minutes. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you and I have talked about this before that

you feel so overstimulated by people touching you all day that the last thing you want to do is be touched more. Yes, I would agree with that. See, I only have one and a week. Yeah. So no, when I get out of the shower and I want to have sex, you better not have your phone. Because I'm not in a fucking mood. Let's talk about Stitch Fix because we're getting ready to go back to school already, which feels crazy to say I started school supply shopping yesterday. And Stitch Fix sends you styles you can feel good in. They deliver all the confidence that come from truly amazing outfits.

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Okay, we need to talk about To Murder Do Us Part because Elijah actually found that on Netflix or wherever it was and he put it on and I was like, what are you doing? Because he does not fuck with true crime at all. It's not his thing. He doesn't give a fuck. He thinks it's weird. So I was like, why are you putting this on? And he literally said to me, this could be a good Kvonkis conversation. And so I had no interest in it at first because I didn't know what the fuck it was. I had never heard of it. Like, I don't like that. You know what I mean? Like I just didn't care. When I tell you that I was shooketh, I could not wrap my head around this entire situation. So I'm going to give a very quick synopsis so that Kristen suggested we don't recap. But I'm

going to give a quick synopsis so we can analyze, we can analyze the situation. There is a couple or a former couple, Elizabeth and Jens. Jens is a German man born in Thailand, moved to London, grew up in England, the whole nine goes to college in Virginia in the United States. So that's four countries right off the bat. That was more of a follow for me. Yes, that was very, I was like, wait a minute, is he German? Is he Thai? Like, what am I missing here? He grew up in England, but I think because his dad was counsel, and I believe in some sort of armed forces situation, it also, I feel like people in Europe too, they travel more frequently out of the country and have better access to travel in that way than we do. I don't know if that's just a generalization, but that's what I've noticed.

He meets Elizabeth, who is the child of two Canadian immigrants to the United States. There are, each parent came to the marriage with two children and then they had Elizabeth together. Elizabeth is significantly older than Jens, but they meet at University of Virginia, U of A. And essentially there is this developing story that they conspired to kill Elizabeth's parents so that they could be together.

And then they fled the country. So at the point that they fled the country, I was confused because I was like, Oh, like they're running from murder, right? But when they get caught, ultimately they blame each other and they never say that this was something that they did together. They just blame each other. So Elizabeth is saying that Yen said it. that this was something that they did together. They just blame each other. So Elizabeth is saying that Jens did it. Jens is saying that Elizabeth did it.

After I believe it was 20 or 30 years, Jens gets released from prison and then it- 33 years. 33 years, Jens gets released from prison, but he is in England, which does not have extradition like a, what is it called when- Extradition laws. Yeah. They don't have extradition laws to the, what is it called when tradition laws? Yeah, they don't have extradition laws to the United States, and they do not believe in the death penalty. So they keep him over there. Unless they take the death penalty off off

of the table. They also release Elizabeth and this whole thing back and forth was just so mind fucking to me because Elizabeth is quoting Macbeth. She's referencing this like Romeo and Juliet sort of vibe. She's professing her love to Jens, but also during this entire relationship, let's let's keep in mind that a man is typically not as mature as a woman and doesn't mature on that same level, right? So she's significantly older.

It's his first love. He's losing his virginity to her. Like this is who he's in love with. He thinks that she's going to give him the moon and the stars. But it turns out she's really just grooming him to potentially help her kill the parents, right? Is that what you pretty much got from it? That's what I got from it. What was so wild to me, and you picked up on this like throughout each of the episodes, I think there were four episodes. The level of intelligence of these two humans scared the shit out of me. Well, what's crazy is they came from such great families that were very well to do, were very, and so why not just run away without killing them?

I would consider her parents to be what we would say like socialites, like well-known people in the community. Well-connected, very well-to-do, yes. And it said that, or she said, and you have to take everything she says with a fucking grain of salt, because I think that she is a pathological, habitual, master manipulator, liar. Agreed. But he became as a product of their relationship, I feel like he also became

one. But I think because he was so groomed by her and I think that she was giving off, I don't know if you remember the scene where she was talking about being intimate with him and how she was fascinated with his fascination with her having sex. Well, because she was known to be a lesbian. Correct.

Not even, I don't even think it was bisexual. I think it was like full blown lesbian. Lesbian. Yes. Yes. And so he became infatuated with probably the idea that like she wanted just him. Him.

Yeah. But anybody else that she was with would be a woman. Correct. But I think that she went into that situation with him, maybe a fascination at the beginning and then realizing that she could groom him along the way. Anybody out here quoting Macbeth and doing that kind of shit,

you scare the fuck out of me already. Oh, 100%. Especially because it was in reference to, like, murder. Correct. It wasn't like, um, like a coincidental, you know, quoting Macbeth. This was a direct reference to murder, and which I thought was interesting, but I, the entire series, four-part series, I was really believing that Yen's potentially wasn't there. That he didn't in fact have anything to do with the murders and he took the blame for her. That's how

I felt up until episode three, because I was like, okay, wow. Like all of the evidence really does point to her and he's taking the fall because let's not forget he also confesses, but then later recants that and says, Oh, you know what, I just basically said that for her because I was in love, which I also believed because he was so obsessed with her. But being that level of obsessed, Kale, that is another kind of mental illness that I don't understand because never, and I said this to my mom when we were watching this last night I said never I don't give a fuck if you go out and commit a crime if the law comes looking for you And I know that you did it. I'm fucking telling Don't tell me

Because I'm telling on you because I'm not getting wrapped up in this never would I ever be in love with someone so much That I'm going to confess to slitting people's throats and a horrific murder and say that I did it and then backtrack and be like, well, actually, I just lied. So going further into that, I really believed because Jens is on camera. Jens is telling his entire story, his entire side of the story, all four parts. So I'm convinced, oh my God, he's innocent. Not only is he out of prison, but he's like being pretty vulnerable initially, I thought, right? But as we go on further, and then there's

evidence of the trial and the sock footprint. Oh, I would add to that, the sock footprint. Okay. Okay. So during this series, it gets to the point of evidence where they bring in a footprint that was found at the scene of the crime and it was a sock footprint. I guess it was said at some point that to use the sock footprint was junk science. I can tell you, if I'm out pressure washing and I'm wearing socks and Crocs and my socks get wet

and I come in this house, there are footprints that are on the floor. I agree. You can't tell me that with science, they can't take that footprint with that sock, pull it up and at least see the formation of the foot, the size of the foot, how the toes are separated, the length of the toes. You can't see that's not usable.

I know for a fact because we have the pool that when I get out of the water and my kids get out of the water, I could tell you even if the size was different, like even if the length of the foot was different, I would be able to tell you at any stage which one of my kids footprint that this is because and mine too, because I don't I have such high arches that if I were to put a like a footprint on something with a sock or without a sock, there would be no connection. It would just be the balls of my feet. Cause I don't have, it doesn't touch the ground fully. I don't care whether it was socked or unsocked that, that science

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a place. But that being said, there was also evidence that placed her at the scene of the crime. Okay, so I am still undecided on if they committed this act together or if she did it and then took him back and he helped her clean it up. They did say that the O type blood, which they said 45% of the population, I believe, has the universal blood type. After they reopened the science on this case, I guess you're in like an appeal status or something, that it was not his blood that was found at the crime scene.

There were two other blood types that belonged to men. They think. They think at the crime scene. Do we think that she went out on a drug bender was hanging out with the two guys that they mentioned in the documentary, like in town, wherever she was, and somehow convinced them to come back and kill him? I don't think so. Because I feel like more would

have come out. I think it was these two fucking Bonnie and Clyde that did it. I 100% think that they were both they were both there. There's evidence that places both of them at the scene of the crime between her cigarette butts that were outside there were other her fingerprints were on the alcohol. I get the little theory about the alcohol that she touched that was sitting out could have been from the birthday party

for her dad two weeks prior. But given what we know about her family, I can't see them leaving out that liquor for two weeks when they had a cabinet and their house was very, very tidy. I can't see that that being left out for two weeks. Also, someone took a shower after, or multiple people took showers after the crime and there was traces of blood and things like that that were at the scene of the crime.

So I highly, highly, highly think that they were both there. But also the one thing that did throw me off was yet she claims Elizabeth claimed that when whoever ordered room service at the hotel, she claims that she forged Yen's signature and that was on his credit card. I don't necessarily believe that. I don't, she had a little bit of a differing alibi for like the tickets and stuff. She couldn't even name the tickets that she bought at the movies. So I do think that it's possible that she did it and he either met her there or he went back to wherever they were going to the movies in the hotel before she did.

Because he could name, he rattled off all of the movie ticket names that he claimed that he purchased. No problem. You know what I mean? And he had the ticket stubs. He had the ticket stubs. He rattled off the names and then he thinks that I think he might have said or he thinks that he signed the room service

ticket and he placed the order for two people. So I either they left at the I don't know. I just I honestly believe that both of them committed the crime. It's interesting to me that at the end of all of this when he got released and he started doing all of these interviews and things like that, he never changed his story a whole lot. I think there was like maybe mine. I think it stayed pretty consistent, but hers was the one that was different. She says when he gets released from prison, she said something along the lines of like, he's as guilty as I am. So why not at that point, once you're, you can't have, there's no double jeopardy. So

just admit what you did. I guess for murder, I think it would be different, right? Or would they have looked at it like, okay, you guys have served 33 years. So now you're saying that you did commit the crime. You can't go back for that, right? Or would it be obstruction of justice? Try you, but I'm wondering if laws are different in different countries. Well, they ended up extraditing him because the United States took off the death penalty.

Yes, took that off the table. So then they ended up sending him over here, but then he was released and sent back to, I believe, was it Germany or England? Germany, it was Germany. I guess for me, I believe, was it Germany or England? Germany. It was Germany. Um, I guess for me, I just wonder why she didn't want to tell her side of the story unless she was like, you know what, I better not fuck anything up.

Part of me is not that she doesn't want to tell her side of the story. I think she's told so many things and everything that she said is a lie. That at that point it would just convolute everything. I believe there's two theories that I have. I believe either she went and killed them alone and he really did go get the tickets to the movies and he did all the things that he said that he did and then left out the fact that he went back and helped her clean up.

Right. It's weird to me that you could go in and kill two people and then fucking take a shower in their shower. That's how you know she was involved because that was her fucking parents. No normal person, and I say normal loosely, but no person's gonna go in and murder somebody

or two people and then just be comfortable enough to not immediately flee the scene and take a fucking shower. But they didn't want to take evidence with them. So if they showered there, but also what did they do with all the bloody sock and stuff like that? Also, we are completely forgetting to mention the fact that she accused her mom of sexual abuse. And the detectives did in fact find nude photos of her, of Elizabeth, in her parents' room. Which is very strange to me. There were a lot of deep seated things. And I wanted to kind of address that part of the documentary. If you look at patterns of

documentaries and stories that we've covered, like the Menendez brothers, and this girl, neglect runs deep. And I do believe that she was sent away. And I believe that they had the financial ability to be able to do that. And for her to be raised outside of the home. She was sent up for anyone who did not watch this. She was sent to boarding schools growing up. And she again was the product of two people that came from Canada. They also each had two children.

So she was the only one left. She was kind of rebelling a bunch. So they sent her away to these boarding schools. And I believe that the part that I do believe is the feeling of neglect from being sent away and not raised by your parents who are capable, just maybe not willing. I can't imagine what that type of neglect would feel like and also to be playing sports and doing, you know, all of these things that you personally would be proud of, but your parents aren't there to support you. I believe that that resentment

ran very, very deep with her not saying that it justifies what happened by any means, but in the event that the sexual abuse, along with the neglect happened, you see this all the time with parents, or kids out here trying to kill their parents or successfully killing their parents. One, do you think that her mom did in fact, sexually abuse her?

And two, Elizabeth's biological brother slash brother's siblings believed that she was in fact part of the scene of the crime, that she was in fact there. And they stand by that even throughout this entire documentary. How do you feel about those two things? I don't know enough to really say if I believe that she was sexually molested. Do I think that there were inappropriate things that likely took place?

Yes, just based off of the fact of the picture, photo evidence. But she also stated in court that her mom did not sexually abuse her. But you found nudes, nude photo. During that time, we're talking about like the 1970s, sexual abuse wasn't talked about and then she didn't wanna go back and humiliate her mom.

But then they found like, you have to go physically get those photos developed. Like somebody took those pictures of this naked woman in the 1970s. And then it was said that like, the dad just looked the other way kind of thing. Also, I don't know that I've ever heard of another case where the mom was the person who abused their child, which was

absolutely disturbing. And obviously, the family members that were on Elizabeth's side and the mom's side claim that there's no validity to that. But I just wonder, is this a Casey Anthony situation where we're just like throwing things out at the wall to see what sticks? Or was there actually some truth to this? Because the nude thing has completely thrown me up. Imagine if I had nudes of a teenage child in my room. That is disgusting. That's a crime in and of itself. Yeah, like that, that there, there's something very twisted about that. When that part came up in the documentary for me, the only thing I could think about was being so humiliated during my parents

federal trial, within bringing sex tape stuff up in a financial case, right? And so I very much related to her when she was talking about how is this relevant? This is something that I don't want to talk about to the public. And so for that part of it alone and the way that she responded to that made me feel like there was some validity to it because I know what the level of humiliation can feel like sitting in a public courtroom, having to face anything that's discussing sexual anything. Agreed. But the brother also having... The brother never said anything about the sexual abuse, but he did say that he believes that she had more to do with it than she's willing to. I guess after 33 years in prison, I personally cannot, and she never spoke up. She never, from the time that she went to prison until the time of this documentary,

she refused to be a part of the documentary. She had nothing to say. The only statement she ever made from the time she was charged till now was that he's as guilty as she is, something along those lines. And he's out here, he's done every interview under the sun. I was trying to get him on Barely Famous because I'm like, if you're gonna talk, then let's fucking talk.

But why not after all that time, why not just admit that you guys did this together? Or like, I don't know, it just feels so weird. The whole thing is very strange. And my final thoughts on this is I am undecided if I think that they acted initially together in this, or if she went and did it and he cleaned it up, or he went and did it and she went back with him to clean it up. I really don't know. I would find it hard to believe that she just a woman stature could

go in and slit to other adult people's throats alone. I mean, impossible, right? The explanation for him to have been in an argument with the parents at dinner and then and then he came up behind him while he was standing these are two grown men. Yens is very fragile looking in my opinion he doesn't when he's on camera and things like that he does not strike me as someone that has any amount of physical strength that could overpower Elizabeth's father so something tells me that it didn't actually happen the way that it was said that it happened either. So that leads me to believe that there was two people that did this. So that's my final

thoughts. I hope everyone goes and watches this because it was really even still now hard for me to wrap my mind around it. And I don't know how I never heard of this case prior to the documentary. So if you guys want to watch it, it's on Netflix. It's called Till Murder Do Us Part. So if you guys wanna watch it, it's on Netflix. It's called Till Murder Do Us Part. So the CDC estimates that there are approximately 96 million American adults more than one in three that have prediabetes. And of those with prediabetes,

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Not me telling you that you need to do something with Nanny, with the lemonade or the sweet tea or whatever it was, and you didn't want to listen to me, but now you're inspired by someone else on TikTok? something with nanny with the lemonade or the sweet tea or whatever it was. And you didn't want to listen to me, but now you're inspired by someone else on TikTok. I didn't know what it would look like. Like I honestly didn't know what it would look like. And I was talking about with Kristen on the Southern tea, how I try to strive to be perfect with everything. And I've come to realize that I don't need to have like this perfect content. I can just do it and it's fine. And people will love it even more than if it was created.

More relatable, right? It's Bethany Frankel. Why are you batting your eyes at me like that? Ma'am. What? What did she, show me, send it to me. I can't, just go to her TikTok and just watch her videos. It's, I can't. Just go to her TikTok and just watch her videos.

I can't describe it. She's inspired me to make chicken salad and also send it to her. You're going to send her chicken salad? Well, somebody else did. And she ate it? And she talked about it on TikTok. Yeah, she ate it. Bethany Frankel is...

Oh, so she released TikToking. Okay. Yeah, she's TikToking and I watch her videos to the point of exhaustion until I'm so exhausted that I can't watch anymore and then I go to bed. You could be reading a book. I mean, I could, but the likelihood of me doing that is not. So I watch Bethany's videos, TikToks. And I feel like I need to start doing TikTok videos of me like eating breakfast or eating lunch and

sharing all this stupid shit that I eat. I saw you on your Instagram story doing your laundry. And I thought that how you prop the phone up, that was a really good job. I feel like you just doing your regular everyday stuff is what people want to see from you. I think that's a fantastic idea. Yeah, so I just wanted to let you know that I'm going to start doing that.

Perfect. And I'm gonna have a much better laundry room to do it in when I get moved. Absolutely. Do you have a move in date, by the way? It's next week. Oh, so you don't have anything packed? How do you know? Look at everything behind you. No, I do not. I do not have anything packed and I will not be

getting anything packed until the last hour. I wanted to tell you about this video that I saw. It's a man named James Sexton and he is dubbed as America's top divorce lawyer. I want to know what you think about this quote. He said, I think that you should look at relationships as chapters. Just because a relationship ends in something other than death, like it ends in divorce, it ends in a breakup, whatever it might be, does not mean that it wasn't successful. Did you leave the person better than you came to it with? Did your partner, did you learn from it?

Did you learn what you do want and what you don't want? And did you learn how you should behave or how you shouldn't? Did you learn something about how you want and need to be loved? How you feel in your attempts to convey love to someone else? You have to look at what was good for me

and this chapter may not be a sustaining thing. Well, I mean, that could be relatable to anything in life, like a friendship, an acquaintance, an experience. But I think all of those questions related to divorce, sometimes you don't have those answers right after the divorce. Sometimes it takes years to come to those, to get to those answers or to arrive at the conclusion of what you learned and what you took away from the divorce. And sometimes, I mean, truly I can't say that I was left better after my divorce right away. I think it took some time for me to get acclimated and to reflect and probably it wasn't even until therapy.

So no, I think that some of my answers to those questions would have been no. But I also think it's how you process the stages of grief, right? And they say stages of grief don't necessarily go in I think what five stages of grief, and it's not always linear. So you can be on one phase and then think that you've moved to the next,

but then you revert back to it. I had a therapy session that very much encompassed what I was watching on this video last week, and I was talking about like my unhealthy attachment to people and things. And I think that that's what caused me to stay in my last relationship for so long. I haven't talked about this anywhere else and had not really planned to maybe ever talk about it. Trent and I broke up at the end of December after Christmas and tried privately for a period of time after that. And I was doing therapy every other week

and basically my entire therapy sessions were just talking about my unhealthy attachment styles and we went into conversations about deal breakers and it's not a deal breaker if you're bending. Like I would say something, okay, this is a deal breaker to me, but then I'm allowing it and I'm staying in it because of unhealthy attachment style. Because once I become attached to someone, I never want to let it go, whether it be healthy

or unhealthy. I recently had, around the same time, had a similar situation. And I have come to the conclusion now, I mean, we're almost eight months post, that I was so complacent and OK with the, even though it wasn't working anymore, it wasn't OK. Things were not going well. But because I didn't want to lose that friendship, it was the same for me. I stayed in it and

I shouldn't have. And then it was work. The fallout is worse. You know what I mean? But you think it'll be better if you stay in it until you're in it. And I am the type of person that I want to be in something until I know I can't be anymore and that I've tried every avenue, every which a ways. I've gone, walked down the street, both directions, crossed the road, almost got hit. That's what I did.

And I had identified things along the way that I'm like, okay, well, I'm not good with that. And like something about that doesn't sit right with me. But because I am attached and because we did involve our kids and because I've already been through a divorce, I need to like work harder at these things. And I think that you probably can relate to that post divorce

getting into other relationships. You try harder than you did in your marriage because you know what it looks like for something to fail. And I had to realize like, okay, these are deal breakers to me. This is not going to change. I learned a lot through this and I've had to accept the fact that I hate saying that people are lessons. But they are.

The situation was a lesson. Yeah. And the person taught me a lot. But sometimes the people are too. He taught me a lot about myself by presenting situations that I had to deal with and whether that be dealt with in a healthy way or an unhealthy way, I learned a lot about myself.

I am reading a book right now that is, it's called Before I Let Go. It is, I'm only on chapter five, so I'm not super heavy into it, but in one of the chapters, she's talking, it's about a divorce, like they divorce, and they've been divorced for two years, and one of them starts dating again,

and he's still holding on to hope that she's gonna ask for him back. And she's like, not really comfortable with him like dating, but it's not really her place anymore. And like, it normalize it, it made me reflect a little bit because I'm like, okay, all of the things that you and I have experienced in divorce and doing all of that really, it normalized it for us, right? Like, it's not just us talking shit on a podcast. And I realized that there are so many things when it comes to like

divorce and ending relationships and friendships, even that, you know, every time it's gonna be different. And the reflection on it is going to be the hindsight is always 2020. So it sucks. But to your point, like, this guy, you know, saying all of these things, it makes sense, like you learn something, you hope that you left them better than you know, you started with. But at the end of the day, it's like, the only thing that we can do is reflect which sucks, like we can't go back and change it and

make it better and start over and try again. Like, you know what I mean? And I think that's the point that I came to was, and it is so true. My nanny told me this when I filed for a divorce from Will the first time. She said once you do this and you go back, it's never going to be the same. Yeah. Even if you end up working it out, it'll never be the same again. And when Trent and I broke up after December and tried again, it never was the same. And so I think that you have to be very mindful. I'm not saying that you can't break up

or get back together or divorce, and then you're like new people and get back together. I'm not saying that that can't be true for some people. Right. For me and my experience, once I have experienced something that like felt good at one point, and then it changed to be so opposite of that good,

I'm not gonna ride it out. Right. Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with you. And I had to learn it by myself. And my parents always told me growing up, take this lesson from me, so you don't have to do it on your own. No, like I need, unfortunately I'm hard hard headed and I need to learn it by myself and I need to sit in it

and need to feel it. Unfortunately, I feel like that's the way it usually goes. Obviously, there are always the anomaly type of situations where you're like, Oh, I watched my mom do that. And that's something I don't want to do. But I do think that most of the time, we all have to kind of make our own decision. Even if we've seen it before, sometimes we think that the turnout will be different. And so we have to do it anyway, to see if there's a different outcome. Second to that, I also just want to say somebody that we both know actually used this podcast in court against me. So I just want to put that out there for you. He actually played it in court several times. So my voice was

in your court. Correct. What was I saying? We were actually initially talking about sex toys. And then it lead it led into the another conversation about divorce and dating after divorce. Wow. I just wanted to say you made a little cameo. You were there in spirit. I feel honored. And honorary support person. Yes. Well, I mean, I'm always supporting you near and far, but I'm glad that I got to make the court debut. Near and far. I love that. Love that for us. And on that note, foul play.

I'll play. Hey, ladies, huge fan of the podcast. It's the highlight of my week. So my daughter is about to be four and recently started wanting to take showers. Well naturally she asked me to help her out so I get in the shower. She immediately looks at me and goes, mom, why is your butt so wiggly? Trying to hold back laughing and crying at the same time, I replied, well, everybody wiggles when you get bigger things wiggle. Fast forward to preschool pickup and my daughter's teacher brings me to the side. Immediately I thought, what did she do? Her teacher says they found a worm on the playground and the teacher says, look, a wiggly

worm. And my daughter immediately replies, like my mom's butt. Needless to say, I'm currently on the elliptical. Thanks, ladies. Love you both. Love that. Same here. Listen, I say this to people all the time.

When you become a mother or for the two dads that people all the time when you become a mother, or for the two dads that listen to us when you become a parent, modesty goes out the window. Oh, 100% completely out the window. The kids stuff that your fucking kids say is so foul. They are literally your worst enemy in your home. Oh, 100% like you love them so much and then they say something so offensive

and you're like, how did we get here? Mom, are you gonna shower today? Mom, why does your hair look like that? Mom, why do you have dimples on your butt? Mom, you have a booger. Mom, what is that hairy thing? Did you brush your teeth? What are those?

And point at your nipples. Why does that hairy thing jiggle? Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Do you like your bills being paid? Because if you do, I advise you to shut the fuck up. Do you like to be fed? Do you like to have food on the table? Do you like prime? I can't fucking kids man. Have kids. It'll be fun. They say next fell play. Just thinking about this makes me want to barf. Oh, lovely. I used to work at a bank inside a grocery store. We had to use the grocery stores public restrooms while at work. I'm going to pause right here. If you ever have to go to the restroom for whatever reason, I don't know if it's people eating,

going down the fucking aisles or what happens, or if they go and eat lunch and then come and take shits in the bathroom of the grocery store, it's absolutely foul every single time I've been in there. This woman says, I would usually take the long walk and walk to the back bathrooms. They were less used by the public and cleaner. Well, I got stuck with a bank

member and by the time I was done, I just had to bite the bullet and use the front bathrooms closest to me. Big mistake. Yeah, fucking huge actually. I got in, put the tissue paper liner down, everything's going fine. A lady came into the stall next to me and the next thing I know, shit is flying in my stall from under the side dividers shit all in the back of the wall like a fucking hose just went off. I can see her pants shoes under the stall. And they were all covered in shit. How does this even happen? What the fuck is this lady gonna do walk out with shit all over her I'm trying to comprehend what the fuck is happening. When I go to wipe and

get the heck out of there when I see it diarrhea shit on my ankle. I literally yell what the fuck wipe it with toilet paper get out of the stall and get paper towels wet wipe Over and over and over. I can't believe a stranger's poop was on my ankle I go to my boss and tell her I'm sorry. I have to go home immediately and shower I will return for the rest of my shift after I explain to her why and thankfully she understands But to be honest, I would have gladly been fired and left to take a shower if she said no. Stay safe in those public restrooms everyone. Love the podcast ladies. Ma'am. No because she's right like how does this occur like how is shit being splattered everywhere because to me a normal person that goes into a public restroom I don't care if you have

explosive diarrhea if you back yourself up as if you were going to sit into the toilet and you don't make it and you just start shitting on yourself, there's no reason why it should be on the walls or anywhere else, right? But if you get down where you're able to pull your pants down, the only place that that shit should be is surrounding the toilet. There's no... why are you... why are you facing the toilet and pulling your pants down and allowing shit to be sprayed everywhere? Like, like even in an emergency,

I don't understand how that happens. Because I've had shit emergencies and never in my life has diarrhea squirted everywhere. That has to be like a massive butthole. I don't know what it is. That is completely not normal. And they also seem to not have any home training because- Can you not get charges for that?

No, it has to be. That has to be some sort of like public health situation because, and it's also just just like even my kids that's never happy you know what I mean like kids that are potty training I have never had a kid spray shit everywhere you know what I mean like even if they poop their pants or had a kid spray shit everywhere ever because even if they are just getting to the toilet and they don't make it it's only right there you know what I mean Like either on the toilet or next to, like you know what it's not spraying all over the,

like how does a grown person let it get to that point? And I have tummy troubles. Like I get it. But not- And is it the grown person that goes into a public restroom and if I like smell someone farting or shitting, I look at their shoes so that I can identify them

in the store? I think everyone does that. I think everyone does that. I think everyone does that. Why does that exist me? No, that's everyone. Cause I literally don't, if I have to shit, which I frequently do, actually it's been a long time, knock on wood.

I'll put my fucking feet up. You're not about to identify me out in that fucking store. Wait, so you put your feet up on the toilet? I'll like hold them up or swat. So you can see? Yes, because I don't want to be identified. Yeah, because I would be the bitch in TJ Maxx looking for you. And you know what? The bitch in TJ Maxx.

Wawa is the only place that I've noticed that does not have like visible cracks so that you can see inside the stall. Theirs are covered so like you can see inside the stall. Theirs are covered. So like you literally cannot see the person inside, but I feel like so many stores and public restrooms. That where- Yeah, why is it like that? They need to do better because that's like not okay either.

That's how peeping Toms happen. Not that I would ever expect anyone to like watch someone shit in a public restroom, but like I don't need your four year old child in the public restroom to be looking through the crack of my stall while I'm taking a dump. Like I just can't have that. That's what happened to me before. See, that's weird. Why are we not covering the cracks? Yeah, it's like, could there not be a better construction method than that?

Wawa figured it out. Wawa has like, it's like almost like overlay on one side. So the way that it like closes the backside of the crack is completely it's like the plastic is a little bit extended. Kristin goes my favorite is when a child's face appears underneath my stall. Literally, that's also happened to me as well.

literally, literally, that's also happened to me as well. Basically, I just try. Okay. I also need to know if you're this person. If you're going out to run errands, do you go to the bathroom at home before you get in your car? Yeah, absolutely. Like I'm mindful like that. Because I know that if I get in the car for five minutes, I'm gonna have to pee. It's like something about getting in the car makes me need to pee. There's also studies that have been done similar to that where certain stores or going shopping in general can subconsciously affect like it triggers you having to go poop. Wait, what? Yes. And some people even go to a specific store. Like say someone's like having like tummy troubles or like can't, is like constipated.

Something along the lines of like going to like certain stores triggers like in your brain. Okay, now you can go to the bathroom. And so they'll go to that specific, they'll do that specific routine at that specific store so that they can go to the bathroom. Okay. Last question that I'm going to ask you and then we can fuck off. Were you the type of child that shit at school? I mean, I shit in public now. So if I had to guess, yes, but I don't remember a time.

Like I don't have any of those memories. Okay. So from the time I was in kindergarten, if I ever had to take a shit, I didn't. Yeah, that's my kids. My kids, Lux will not, they will not shit at school. Elijah won't shit in public either. Call home. And if I had to go pee, I think I've been a germaphobe my whole life. In fact, now that I'm dissecting this, remember my Pocahontas shirt that I told you about

that was always like my extra shirt in my bag? If I peed and went to the bathroom, I changed my clothes from the time I was in kindergarten. What happened if you like went missing and your parents were like, oh, she's in this outfit. And then in fact, you were not in that outfit. Then they just knew I was going to be in a Pocahontas outfit because that was always my secondary outfit. That's so funny. That is, yeah, my kids won't go in public, but I have tummy troubles,

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