Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 786: Tim Walz, Masculinity and Trump's 162 Lies

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. Recording live from Glory Hole Studios in Chicago and beyond, This is Cognitive Dissidence. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way, we bring critical thinking, skepticism and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big or makes us mad.
Starting point is 00:00:58 It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. Today is Thursday, August 15th. Cecil, I have a question for you and it's urgent and it's important, it's a big deal. Go ahead, Tom. Are you afraid of nuclear warming? I didn't know this was something I should be afraid of.
Starting point is 00:01:20 It's unlocked a whole new fear for me. In the same conversation, in the same conversation we're talking about. Elon Musk's interview with Trump this week on X, where he had a terrible audio artifact of his voice, which we will get into. Oh, so bad. We will get into.
Starting point is 00:01:36 But one of the questions that they started talking about this nuclear warming, and then they just both kind of were like, yeah, Nagasaki's fine. So like, I don't understand what the big deal is. I'm not even kidding. Did you listen to the whole thing? I listened to the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I'm not going to sit and listen. I can't, I can't stomach every time Musk speaks and I have to listen to Trump every week. So no, could there be, I didn't listen. I looked, I watched some clips, I read some stuff. That's as far as I can go. That's the best I could do. I can't imagine using two plus hours of my life. Like I would rather watch on repeat the fucking death knell of my first born child for two.
Starting point is 00:02:16 I was gonna go that far. I don't believe that is not true. I was gonna say. It's not true at all. But before they started, they were getting DDOS attacks, although it wasn't at all. I love that that's not true. It's like a hundred percent not true, but they had like hold music on for a while. Yeah, they had like shitty sad music.
Starting point is 00:02:34 I would rather listen to that for a couple hours, to be honest. Just from a sheer, no matter what they said, take the content away. There are not two less appealing voice I know I know I know absolutely in all of the world right wrong in all of the world Do you remember that like Bobcat Goldwaite guy and then that throw mama from the train lady? I'd rather listen to those two interview each other while sucking helium Bobcat Goldwaite and Gilbert Godfrey Have a conversation about who should park where.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I would instantly listen to that. Are you kidding me? Like Elon Musk has probably. emo Phillips. Yeah, yes. Like Elon Musk has like the second most annoying voice in the world. It's a terrible voice.
Starting point is 00:03:20 It's a voice that like when you listen to it's like, how are you even successful? Sure. If you were in a meeting, I'd be like, I can't do what he says. I can't listen to that. Yeah, and then Trump is the first most annoying voice I know it's a horrifying. Holy shit. But there was a ton of misstatements in that but very specifically nuclear warming We want to roll the clock back a little to his press conference that he had We want to roll the clock back a little to his press conference that he had. There was an amazing article that we are going to link to in the show notes.
Starting point is 00:03:50 162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR facts checks the former president. Now Tom, I went through this list today. Now I'm not going to read, you can't read them all. But there's so many amazing bitchy ones that I have to read to you. So I'm just going to read some of these to you because I think they're absolutely outstanding. And very briefly, this article does a nice job of doing the math for you.
Starting point is 00:04:10 That is a lot. It is more than one lie every 30 seconds. Think about that for just a moment that this fucking guy can't go 60 seconds without lying twice. Also to consider, and this is serious. This is something that I think we really need to consider. When I read these off to you, recognize how fucking low stakes
Starting point is 00:04:36 every single thing I read off to you is. Recognize how unbelievably petty and low stakes these lies are. I wanna talk about that too with you. And the reason why I want you to pay attention to that is, if he's willing to lie on the super low stakes petty shit, what does he lie about when he's behind closed doors and there's something way more important or way more impactful?
Starting point is 00:04:58 What is he willing to do then? Yeah, and to add to that, because that's 100% true, like there's a clear and open willingness to play fast and loose with the truth, that he's saying, hey, when the stakes are low, I'm still going to lie to you. So obviously when the stakes are higher for him, there's even less reason to believe him. Less chance to believe him. But also what I find really disconcerting and genuinely worrying is that here's a guy who is saying, I'd like to be the leader of the free world again.
Starting point is 00:05:26 And these are the things that weigh on my mind. Yeah, no, it's, oh yeah. Like it's not solutions for you. It's not things that like matter. He's not talking about the big picture urgencies of the world and saying, man, when I am having my shower thoughts, what am I obsessed with?
Starting point is 00:05:44 When I can't sleep at night and my brain won't turn off, what are the things that I just can't, what are the problems I can't just stop mentally solving in my life? Where are my worries and anxieties? Because the things that we solve, the problems that we work out, those are indicative of our priorities,
Starting point is 00:05:59 our mental priorities. So when he gives you a bunch of low stakes fucking dishwasher doesn't run enough water through it bullshit. Yeah. Or crowd size shit. Right. That is how he's spending his time. That is where his mental energy is. Is that you, Mr. Constituent, at all? And does that bring down the things that you're worried about inflation wise? Right. His crowd size that he obsesses on multiple times. I'm gonna read money of these to you Yeah, so just keep that in mind as we work 100% bro. So First one is number 17. I've skipped down to 17
Starting point is 00:06:33 Here's Trump Rasmussen came out today. We're substantially leading. Here's NPR Trump is not substantially And Rasmussen is viewed as one of the least credible pollsters in the country. 24. 24. We've agreed with NBC. Fairly full agreement subject to them on September 10th. Here's NPR.
Starting point is 00:06:58 It's on ABC, not NBC. My favorite part is, my favorite part is this is the tiniest bit. Like I feel, I feel secure in NPR's fact checking if they are doing well actually in the fucking station it's going to be on. That's my favorite shit. That's so good. That's so good. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:19 25. It's talking about the vice president President Kamala Harris. She can't do an interview, she's barely competent and she can't do an interview. That's the end of a quote, now here is NPR. Harris hasn't done interviews since getting into the campaign, but she has done them in the past. So saying she can't do one or that she is barely competent
Starting point is 00:07:40 are just insults. Trump tends to revert to questioning the intelligence of black women who challenge him. In fact, Trump did it nine times this news conference saying Harris is not smart five times, incompetent three times, or barely competent as he did here. Yeah, that is totally unsurprising. He's been doing this more and more.
Starting point is 00:08:03 You see him in his press conference, and he did it while he was talking to Elon Musk as well. He keeps talking about how she's not smart. She's not smart. She's not smart. And we're gonna get into some other things here that he's gonna mention, but all of this feels like to me,
Starting point is 00:08:18 more Trump just wishful thinking and hoping she's not as smart as he thinks she is. Yeah, I think he's trying to call out to his base to say, obviously black people and women, and especially black women, right? Can't be smart. No, it's not. I think he's calling out to his base here and saying, hey, like you don't want to hire a substandard type of person. Because the thing is like Trump has made it very clear that he thinks of people as kinds of people. Sure. And this is not me supposing this, right? He has said on many occasions he has created categories and then defined people by the
Starting point is 00:08:58 category that he puts them in. You know, shithole countries, people from shithole countries. But I want people from like Scandinavia. He's talking about kinds and types, this case specified by geographies. Right. So he's a guy who talks about everything in terms of types and kinds. If he can type and kind her in some way that works for his base. But I think his base is not who he should be playing to politically. Not now.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Not now. It's a dumb thing to do. Those guys were already voting for you, dude. You're trying to win the middle. This won't win the middle. This will not win the middle. I don't, I think, I think in so many ways, I don't think he's signaling his base. I think it is a signal to his base, but I don't think he's consciously signaling his base.
Starting point is 00:09:47 I think what it is is he's just shitty and old and a racist. And like, he can't hide that stuff. He can't compartmentalize his thoughts about a black, a powerful black woman. He can't compartmentalize those and make his fucking outer brain shut the fuck up. So what he does is he says really shitty stuff about them all the time and he can't stop himself. And there's everybody on his side is like, you're losing everybody.
Starting point is 00:10:13 He doesn't care. Yeah, he doesn't give a shit. I think he's like inches away from accidentally complimenting her for being articulate. He he mentioned in one in the Musk interview interview he cut I just caught what you said Man you're not wrong. Yeah, you're not wrong to say she's an articulate black woman. You're not wrong But there was a compliment that he did. Did you see? Yeah, I saw she was a beautiful woman like Yeah, yeah, but it was but if you listen to the longer clip he's clearly Reminds you of Malat, right? Yeah, but if you listen to the longer clip, he's clearly making fun of her
Starting point is 00:10:46 because it's an actual ink drawing or an illustration of her. And so he's trying to say, she's not that pretty in real life, man. That's what he's trying to say. It is funny because I heard that clip and I was talking to Hailey and we both listened to it at the same time.
Starting point is 00:11:02 And then I was like, oh, what drawing? So I looked up the drawing and like, I mean, just being honest, like she's actually way, way prettier than that in person. Like if you look at like the photo that that was drawn from, I actually think the drawing kind of does her dirty a little bit, like just a little bit, but I'm like, that's a great drawing. But I'm like, actually just objectively, like the photograph looks better. So it's not, he's trying to say like, they drew her more attractive than she is. And by the way, her attractiveness
Starting point is 00:11:31 has nothing to fucking do with her. And I hate this. We don't talk about men like this. We absolutely need to not talk about women like this. The only reason I'm talking about it is because he used it to slam her. And like, wasn't even honest about that. No, he was. He's he can't be honest with himself.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Yeah, because he's going to be honest with you. Yeah. OK, so here is 32 through 34, another bit of wishful thinking. And I'm no Biden fan, but let me tell you, from a constitutional standpoint, from any standpoint, you're looking at, they took the presidency away. They took it away. And here's NPR.
Starting point is 00:12:11 There's nothing in the US Constitution about picking presidential candidates. This is a party process and everything has been done within party rules. And again, the presidency wasn't taken away. Biden is still the president. I read that and I thought like, do you not, I think he thinks Kamala's president. Yeah, he doesn't understand. Don't you think that that must be what he thinks?
Starting point is 00:12:32 I don't think he knows what's going on. I don't think he has any fucking clue. I think sometimes you, you know, he can have a conversation with Elon and sound like he's not crazy, but that's because Elon never pressures him to answer anything or gives him a difficult question. In this conversation, he's being asked hard questions by people, like not a lot. There
Starting point is 00:12:51 was a lot of softballs because he invited people to come. Sure. There's a lot of softballs in this interview that he did, but he even sat on the podium or lectern or whatever he's on. He said, that's a nasty question to one of the reporters. Oh yeah. He said it to one of the reporters. So like, he didn't invite everybody. He invited, he invited, I'm sure he invited all the ones that he was going to hit the questions out of the park with. Yeah. And then, you know, it also that I just want to point out too, that that answer, that thing by Trump where he says they took the presidency from him. The other side of that that it could mean, Cecil, is that he thinks he'll lose in this election.
Starting point is 00:13:30 So in other words, like, he either took the presidency now away and he believes Biden is no longer the actual president, or he believes that Kamala took the future presidency away from Biden, but that presupposes by Trump, that Trump loses. Yeah. I guess that's true.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Right? Because if Kamala is taking away the presidency of the future, then he's supposing his own loss. You know, I was, I was looking forward to getting beaten by Biden and now I'm going to get beaten by Kamala. This is the worst version of the movie Looper. It's just, it's so crazy. Like you hear that. It's like that time travel movie with the cardboard box in the garage.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yes, right. All right. God. 30, 36 to 39. Now this is him presupposing what's, what's happening behind the scenes with Democrats. Okay. So this is the context of what he's saying the scenes with Democrats. Okay. So this is the context of what he's saying. This is Karnak.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Did he hold a card to his head? Yeah, he held something up to his head. This is amazing. Quote, they're going to hit you hard. Either they can do it a nice way, I heard, and I know exactly because I know a lot of people on the other side, believe it or not. And they said, we'll do it a nice way Or we'll do it the hard way and he said all right
Starting point is 00:14:49 Here's MPR. What in the shit fuck does that even mean? This is not what was said He did not hear it. No Democrats in the know are talking to Trump and this dialogue is made up So what he's saying is is that they came to him and they hard pressured him to drop out of the race. And so he's making up this fan. Oh, I see. He's talking about Biden dropping out and he's pretending like he's he's in the know and he had I know people on the other side and they all talk to me again. This is such low stakes fucking lies. Imagine what he will tell you if this is a deal with Russia or something.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Yeah man. What this feels like is I'm at the cool kids gossip table. And it's like no man, you're not. No one is consulting with the opposition. That's not how any of this would work. If I'm high enough up in the Democratic Party to be a part of these Conversations I'm a trusted Official at a very high level. I'm not gonna be like hey this guy is who we were working to beat Yeah, let me tip him off as to what going on selfie real quick with these guys and send it to Trump It literally doesn't make sense. Yeah, well it doesn't make sense But it also what I love about that line that they do in this NPR article is
Starting point is 00:16:07 Trump gets away with this kind of shit all the time. What did he say? He said he said I know a lot of people on the other side believe it or not No, you fucking don't motherfucker. You don't know anybody on the other side, but he'll say things like I know a guy that Or this is a time that this happened to me or all the people are saying none of those things are ever true. Whenever Trump tries to say that he has a source, never believe him because it's never true. Well, and here's how you can tell he never, ever, ever names the source. Like he's this weird, you know what he is? He's a, he's a, a name dropper without any names.
Starting point is 00:16:46 It's the weirdest thing. He's like, oh, I go to the club. You know, I met the guys there, such big guys, best guys, some of the biggest rappers you ever meet at the club. Can't even tell you all their names. I don't even, so many, I don't even remember them all. That's how many people I met at the club. And you're like, wow.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Like the dumbasses are like, man, he met a lot of famous people at the club. And you're like, he didn Like the dumbasses are like, man, he met a lot of famous people at the club. And you're like, he didn't even say a name, man. You don't even know what you believe he said. Cause he didn't say anything. Well, and then just like a good horror novel, they'll fill in the blanks themselves. So then they'll say, well, yeah, he met with 50 set.
Starting point is 00:17:22 P. Diddley. P. Diddley is a fucking great name. Pete did Lee, Pete diddler. Yeah. Like that's it. And it's really funny because that that's very true. And the gossip trainer, the rumor mill or the game of telephone that is politics quickly turns into your coworker down at the fucking warehouse
Starting point is 00:17:43 believes that he fucking hung out with Kanye. Or, well, he did hang out with Kanye. That's a wrong example. That's a bad example. Literally the worst example. But you know what I mean? Because they've gotten this filled in and they've gotten this filled in
Starting point is 00:17:54 and then they fill in it themselves and they retell it. And it's like he doesn't even have to tell his own bullshit at some point. He just has to tell vague enough bullshit. As long as it's vague enough, it's like a fucking fortune telling. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Yeah. Number 52. We now have the worst border in the history of the world. End quote. NPR. World history is filled with cases where one country has crossed the border and invaded a neighboring country. Ha ha ha ha ha!
Starting point is 00:18:23 I, dude, when I read that, I thought, I bet Ukraine would disagree. I know there's so many worse borders. Like just off the top of my fucking head. I bet there's somebody in fucking like Kyrgyzstan, I'm sure mispronouncing that, who's like, I'm in a border town in Ukraine. I strongly disagree.
Starting point is 00:18:42 So vis-a are these the worst mess Listen I had a hundred and seven thousand people in New Jersey and you didn't report it and PR it was reported that the numbers come from faulty information About the size of a crowd at a Trump's rally The more accurate estimates appear to be anywhere between 30 and 60,000. Still a very large crowd, but Trump is exaggerating here. And this is something you're gonna notice because there's several of these that I clipped where he's talking about crowd size.
Starting point is 00:19:15 And this goes back to what we mentioned earlier. If he's taking a shower and he's arguing, he's doing the spirit of the stairway argument about what he's gonna say at the press conference later and he's stuck on crowd size doing the spirit of the stairway argument about what he's going to say at the press conference later and he's stuck on crowd size. We need a new dude. But I don't care who it is. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:19:31 I don't care if they have the worst policies in the world, at least they'll have a policy. Think about a problem that affects me, the constituent. That is what I want all of your time spent on. I want 0% of your time worrying about how fucking liked you are. That doesn't fucking matter to me. If you want to sell me that I should vote for you, you need to show me that you have my interests in your heart. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:19:58 85 through 90. Now this is five lies. So but on crowd size in history, for any country, nobody's had crowd like crowds like I have. And you know that. And she gets a thousand people and everybody starts jumping. You know that if I had a thousand people, people would say, people would say, that's the end of his campaign.
Starting point is 00:20:21 I have hundreds of thousands of people in South Carolina. I had 88,000 of people in Alabama. I had 68,000 people. I don't know where he's talking about there. It just, just had 68,000 people. Nobody says the crowd size with me, but she has a thousand people or 1500 people and they say, Oh, the enthusiasm is back. There are at least six misstatements here. One, Trump has large crowds, but in history, there are certainly people who have had larger crowds from Barack Obama and others. Two and three, her crowds have been larger than a thousand, which he repeats twice.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Four, no serious analysts have said that this is the end of Trump's campaign, the race is very close. Five, there's no evidence of crowd size of Trump's notes in South Carolina and Alabama. And six, people do talk about Trump's, people do talk about Trump's crowd sizes. So again, they get reported, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:19 and that's the thing is we've seen this happen a couple of times. He keeps mentioning this over and over. I'm getting 60,000 people in Alabama Alabama's not a swing state you fucking dullard. I know man. What the fuck Michigan matters if 15,000 people show up in Michigan. That's a hundred thousand people in your fucking shitty state where everybody's gonna vote for you, dude Trying to get as a Republican getting 60,000 people in Alabama is as hard as getting laid at the
Starting point is 00:21:47 whorehouse. That's Alabama, man! They also travel. All these people travel. Right. Like, I was listening to an article, or I read an article earlier. Boom to boom to boom. Where they're like, they go to seven different rallies.
Starting point is 00:21:59 They'll travel, they follow them in an RV. They great to death that shit. This is the Dead Show. Yeah, it's the Dead Show. It's the Dead Show with no drugs and Karen yelling at you But the same amount of rambling riffing like to say like here's the thing. That's actually a great He's the fucking jam band of Republican politics exactly. Yeah, it's like that riff sucks Yeah, and you played it 14 fucking times in a row proud to be
Starting point is 00:22:22 14 fucking times in a row. Man, I am sick of proud to be American. Holy shit. Uh, 108 through, uh, 107 then 108. If you look at Martin Luther King, when he did his speech, his great speech, and you look at ours, same real estate, same everything, same number of people, if not we had more. You look at a picture of his crowd, my crowd, we had more people. First, this is NPR. First, the speeches did not take place in the same place or the same real estate. Trump spoke from a position just south of the ellipse. Martin Luther King Jr. spoke
Starting point is 00:22:58 from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Second, the crowds were not the same size and Trump's was certainly not larger. It is an extraordinary claim and just shows how much Trump cares about crowd size. He's obsessed with it. He's obsessed with it. This is a guy with a fucking micro peen, like constantly bragging about his fucking schlong. What the fuck man? You're the only one that cares.
Starting point is 00:23:23 And that's the thing is it doesn't matter what matters. The thing that matters is how many of those seats can you turn into votes? And how representative is that of the state? Those are the things that matter. Is Alharris Wall's event in Michigan representative of the state that it's in? There's 15,000 people that show up. Like I think about the Eau Claire Wisconsin one. I don't know if that's how you say it, but E-Clair or Eau Claire, Eau Claire,
Starting point is 00:23:51 however you say it, I don't know. The one that- What's heaven Eau Claire? I don't know, it's fucking cheese curd state. I don't know how to pronounce anything out there. But the one that was up there, it's a tiny little shitty town. There's nobody there.
Starting point is 00:24:02 There's fucking, it's like a 12,000 person, probably more than that, but still small. They's like a 12,000 person, probably more than that, but still small. They had like a 12,000 person rally there. It was an intense size rally. That's a big rally for a not a big metropolitan area. You do the same thing in Alabama. Man, you could scrape up like 100,000 yokels down there if you go by one of the big cities.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Easy. I mean, that's not hard. All those yokels love you, dude. Yeah. And like you said, though, it doesn't like there are some states that are just they're done. They're a lock. Nobody is seriously worried that the Democrats are going to take Alabama.
Starting point is 00:24:39 Sure. So your time there is literally wasted time. Yeah. The only advantage that he gains in his mind, and I don't think there's any actual political advantage, is he can go and he can get a big crowd. And he can get big photos of him in front of a big crowd. But what that tells me is that he thinks in his mind
Starting point is 00:24:56 that if I show you a big crowd, you're gonna wanna be a part of that crowd. You're gonna see and believe that he is something big and noteworthy and exciting. So he wants to go to places where the Pickens are easy because he can get that big photo op. But I think he's hoping that that will play to people in Wisconsin and people in Michigan instead of going to Wisconsin and Michigan. But if you're in Wisconsin and Michigan,
Starting point is 00:25:20 what does it tell you about how he's trying to get your vote? Is he showing up and saying, here's my message. Here's how I will work to make your state a better place to live. Here's how I will work to make your life safer and better and more convenient and richer and blah, blah, blah, more prosperous. You know, no, he's not doing any of that. He's saying, I think you're so stupid that if you think I'm popular, you'll want in on the bandwagon.
Starting point is 00:25:47 You're going to want it. You're going to want to stand with the rest of the crowd. Yeah. 118 and 119. This is about abortion. I think that abortion has come much less of an issue. It's very small. I think it's actually going to be a very small issue. What I've done is what I've done is what I've done is every what I've done is, what I've done is every, what every Democrat and every Republican wanted to have done. I think abortion issue has been, has been taken down many notches. I don't think it's of, I think it's of a big factor anymore. I don't think it's of a big factor anymore, really.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Sorry, it's really hard to read because he's fucking- He's a gibberish talker. It's gibberish. Yeah. And they say, minutes apart from each other, He repeats three false claims abortion rights is not very small Issue for millions of voters and Democrats are organizing around it and this has been This has been seminal to Biden and Harris campaign So again, I think this is one of those moments too. Just like when he was wishful thinking about Biden earlier
Starting point is 00:26:40 He's wishful thinking about this too I think when you're Trump and you've had every moment of your life has been catered to, right? From since you were a child, all you have to do for much of your life is wish for something and it will materialize. And I think he has trained his own brain to do this for him. So when he wants something to happen,
Starting point is 00:27:02 he will just say it over and over and over again and hope that some divine Providence will make it so because so far in his life that's really worked out for him Yeah, because I that's super interesting point because I think what Donnie DeLulu here has confused Is like Donnie Dumps or whatever he called him. Biden called him fucking Donald Dump Donald Dump I think I think Donny DeLulu has confused the results of sycophancy, which is how a lot of his dreams have come true, right?
Starting point is 00:27:35 And like the sycophants want something from him. Like they're using him. That's why you hang out. Like the thing is like, no one's hanging out with him because they're like, you know what? I just want to do something nice for him. I think he's a good person. They're hanging out with him
Starting point is 00:27:50 because they want to use him for things they want. But he's got it all mixed up. Because it's worked so many times, I think you're exactly right. He's become delusional about it. And he thinks like, if I speak it and I speak it and I speak it, it'll
Starting point is 00:28:05 just fucking manifest from my vision board. It's like the secret dude. Jesus dude I've never thought of it that way but you're right. But you notice you notice that he spends a lot of his time saying things that are clearly not true that he wants to be. Yeah. And he does it quite a bit so I it's just a gas I have no idea but that's what I think you know. And he does it quite a bit. So it's just a gas. I have no idea, but that's what I think, you know? And this is so fucking racist. 130. Well, I know Willie Brown very well. In fact, we went down in a helicopter with him.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Oh Lord. I thought maybe this was the end. We were in a helicopter going to a certain location together and there was an emergency landing. NPR. This claim is not held up to scrutiny. Politico reported that Trump did have to make an emergency landing in a helicopter with a black California politician decades ago. But it wasn't Willie Brown, the former San Francisco mayor and state speaker.
Starting point is 00:29:00 It was Nate Holden, a former Los Angeles council member in state center. That's so fucking racist. There's literally no way he's not confused because they all look alike to him, right? I feel even uncomfortable, but like that's what's happening here. There's a guy today. I saw a video of a dude who looks, he's just an Indian guy. He's just an Indian guy.
Starting point is 00:29:31 He doesn't really necessarily look like a Vivek Ramaswamy, but he went to a Trump rally, dressed like Vivek Ramaswamy in a suit with a tie and a pin and a bunch of people wanted to get his picture. They thought he was Vivek Brahmaswamy. Jesus fucking Christ. And he was like, he just talked with a very similar accent and they 100% wanted to get photos taken with him.
Starting point is 00:29:55 And he got photos with a ton of people. We were talking before about how Trump and Trump supporters view people as a kind or a type. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he knows it was a black guy. So it's like, well, it doesn't matter which one, because it's a type. I was in a helicopter, guys, with a black guy.
Starting point is 00:30:17 That's what's important. And you're like, that's a person you should know who. Not just a type of person you can use for a political game. Here's the last one. Our tax cuts are the biggest in history. NPR says the 2017 tax cuts were not the biggest in history. As a share of the economy, they barely make the top 10. They were big enough, however,
Starting point is 00:30:41 to blow a hole in the federal budget, which is why Trump is overseeing, Trump was overseeing a nearly $1 trillion annual deficit before the pandemic. So, so that's the lies that he told. And this is a brilliant article. Read through it. It'll tell you every lie he told. And they fact checked every single one.
Starting point is 00:31:00 You get a sense from this article too, that there's a certain real joy in the writing of being like, no, that's just not a thing. We need to start saying exactly what's true. And what I like too, I just, this last thing on this, lots of times they soften his lies by calling them falsehoods or misleading claims.
Starting point is 00:31:23 This literally says at the very top, it says Trump's lies and distortions. So they're using the word lies because they are. There's a feeling that a lot of the deference of credibility has been removed from this campaign, that he is not receiving that anymore. From his opponents, from the press, and I mean, really from even people
Starting point is 00:31:47 that I think were sympathetic. It took too long. Way too long. They should have done this, as soon as he lost in 2020, they shouldn't have even let him have a press conference. You know, truthfully Cecil, this work needs to happen for every politician,
Starting point is 00:32:03 regardless of the side, every time. If somebody lies, we need to call it regardless of the side, every time. If somebody lies, we need to call it a lot. Yeah, every time. That's just the thing that our fourth estate is responsible to us to do. We need to get rid of this deference. We need to get rid of this sort of like
Starting point is 00:32:18 false credibility gathering that people who are candidates or big names or politicians benefit from and we as constituents lose from absolutely People say I talk with a white voice anyway, so why did it help me out? Well, you don't talk white enough. I'm never talking about Will Smith white. I'm talking about the real deal like this young blood Hey, mr. Kramer. This is Langston from regal View. I didn't catch you at the wrong time, did I? So this story comes from the Daily Beast. Trump has brand new excuse for why his voice sounded so strange in Musk interview. All right, so I'm just going to play a 10 second clip.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I love that Kamala Harris HQ chose the worst photo of Trump ever. You know, the biggest threat is not global warming, where the ocean is going to rise one one eighth of an inch over the next 400 years. So, you know, the biggest threat is not global warming where the ocean is going to rise one, one eighth of an inch over the next 400 years. The big end, you'll have more, you'll have more ocean front property, right? No, the biggest threat is not that the biggest threat is nuclear warming. There there's your, there's your nuclear warming time. One that's completely untrue and insane because, I mean, just think about it. Just think about how water works just for 10 seconds. And when the water rises, just understand that the water as it rises, it goes somewhere
Starting point is 00:33:35 and it has to go on land. Dude, we just have to talk about this for a second. Because like, does he think, first of all, he's lived near an ocean his whole life. When the tide goes out, has he not noticed that there's more beach when the tide goes out? I think he missed it. And less beach when it comes in. And what he's saying is there'll be different, not, I think new rather than more.
Starting point is 00:34:01 But there's objectively will be less. But it'll be objectively be less, but it'll be objectively be less, but it'll be different. Like when the water covers more land, there will be less land, less land that you can build on. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. I just failed to understand why that would lie. It's just insane that like that sentence would come out of your mouth in the same 14 second clip that you talk about nuclear warming. Nuclear warming.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Not nuclear war. What's so funny, what's so funny is what I want to talk about is his sound. Yeah. And the way he talked in this, people were saying that he's clearly slurring. There's something wrong with his voice. But what really happened was, is Elon fired so many people that there was a huge artifact in his voice. But I did see another clip of somebody
Starting point is 00:34:56 who posted from the same room and it sounded like he did slur a couple times on this call where he did do a th sound for an S. It's impossible that it was Trump's equipment. I don't think it's possible. Because I've been working with audio for many years. The things that disturb speakers are pops, P's, right? So P's have a plosive sound that comes out,
Starting point is 00:35:21 that's more air coming out. That can depress and fuck with a condenser microphone. But when you're talking about an S sound, yes, people will say S when they're testing a room, but they're checking their DS or stuff. They're checking, there's a gate that lowers your S's when you have high-end audio equipment. And so they're very specifically using S for that.
Starting point is 00:35:40 It never changes it to use sounds that's fucking like putty tat and fucking Sylvester. Yeah, like it never does that That's that is either on the front end of Trump talking and I did hear him actually drop one of these But I also think a lot of these were taken up this I don't disagree that it could have also been Fucking just like musk's bad, right? Like he doesn't have any engineers to work for him. I suspect it's probably a little of both. A little of both. Right?
Starting point is 00:36:10 But here's what he's also telling, Cecil, if you and I had an opportunity to talk to Harris, let's say for real, like let's say we had a week, we got a week's notice and we were gonna be able to interview Kamala Harris on our show. Here's what I know for certain that would happen.
Starting point is 00:36:28 And this is why I think this is like really important. We would say, hey, where are you gonna be when we record? Oh, I can't be in your studio, guys. I'm on the campaign trail. So I'm actually gonna be recording from the road. And that day I'll be in Los Angeles. Okay, I'm gonna fly to Los Angeles or I'm going to send E into Los Angeles. This would be such a big deal. I'm going to fly E in Los Angeles. I'm
Starting point is 00:36:50 also going to spend a good chunk of my time that week testing every piece of my connection, making sure that I've got a backup for my backup, because this will be a big deal for us. We would pour some energy and resources into making sure that nothing could go wrong. Now, I am not a billionaire who owns Twitter, and this is what I would do. There's a level of incompetence that Elon Musk demonstrates to people time and time again. And I think it's important because in this interview with Trump, Musk kept saying things like, I want to be, you should have point me to be a part of the government to like cut government waste. He wants to add a government job that doesn't exist whose job it is to eliminate government
Starting point is 00:37:38 jobs and then produce something as shitty as Twitter. Yeah. produce something as shitty as Twitter. Yeah, like, and this is a guy who's run Twitter so badly that when he has the fucking president on his show, on his platform he can't get the technicals right. He's gotta play 45 minutes of fucking Muzak.
Starting point is 00:37:58 I'd get the technicals right, Cecil. I know, I don't disagree. I would, me, Tom, I don't know why anything works. I'd find people and that shit would be fucking pristine. I think those are just two things. He doesn't understand Like I don't get magnets and I don't get this This is magnets The stories from ours technica 31% of Republicans say vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent. 31 in 3.
Starting point is 00:38:32 One in fucking three. Now there's the numbers from this article that I think are the most important are the differences, the changes that have taken place from 2019, which was ChexWatch five fucking minutes ago. 2019 feels like the moon ago, man. But like that's five years ago. That's nothing. That's really nothing. So let's look at some of these numbers.
Starting point is 00:38:58 Only 40% of Americans now say it is extremely important for parents to vaccinate their children. That is down from 58% in 2019 and it's down 64% from 2001. More broadly, 93% of the Democratic group said it was extremely or very important to vaccinate for parents to vaccinate their children. Only 52 in the Republican groups said the same thing. That change, that change, here's another, here's another statistic. In 2019, 52% of Republican aligned Americans said it was extremely important for parents to get their children vaccinated.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Now that figure is 26%. That has fallen by half in five years. By comparison, 63% of Democrats and Democratic leaners said it was extremely important this year down from 67% in 2019. That gap, that gap is the direct result of an intentional disinformation campaign from the COVID vaccines. You're not wrong. It's disinformation will from the COVID vaccines. You're not wrong. It's disinformation will kill children. These numbers are the scariest fucking numbers. Yeah, this is so distressing.
Starting point is 00:40:14 We're talking about, you're going down to half the people? Half the people now? Somebody sent us a message just so long ago and in a hundred percent just, I mean, vaccines are a fucking, they are a victim of their own success. And it was so true. Every time they come up with something that can absolutely knock something out, there's, and I know it's not just us.
Starting point is 00:40:37 It's not just our own stupidity. There is genuine disinformation that is causing this to happen. There is genuine actors out there who don't want people to get, because they want us fighting about this stuff. Yeah, like that's a super important point. The problem here, I don't believe, is a bunch of true believers. The true believers are the result of the problem.
Starting point is 00:41:01 The problem is a specific and multi-pronged disinformation attack, which we know came from China, came from Russia, and came from people within our own country who were grifting and selling and profiteering in many ways off the backs of I think a million dead Americans, right? So that is, and what they've done as a result is they have literally taken the best kind of medicine
Starting point is 00:41:29 ever created by people without any, there is nothing that compares to it, not antibiotics, nothing. It is the best medical technology that's ever been created and we have ruined our confidence in it. And the ruination of confidence not only makes it harder for us to uptake these vaccines, to prevent people from getting sick now,
Starting point is 00:41:51 but it makes it less likely for new funding to be done for new research. So it will delay future vaccines. And vaccine, the vaccine hesitancy stuff trickles down into medical hesitancy in general. And so people will maybe do this sort of stitch me up, patch me up stuff, but not anything else because they're not, they don't wanna deal with doctors
Starting point is 00:42:14 because they think they're all liars. And so you're gonna deal with a lot of medical hesitancy as we move forward too. And like the best thing to do is to prevent yourself from falling ill. Yeah, I know. And it's just, we should all be doing all the preventative stuff that prevents us from falling ill.
Starting point is 00:42:32 It's like you said, it's the best stuff. But that includes, like to your point, that includes seeing your doctor and getting things like physicals and screenings and you know, pap smears and colonoscopies and mammograms and all of these other preventative and early warning type stuff. It's all kind of in the same bucket where it's like, okay, the best way to get sick is to not get sick at all. And the best way to like have treatments is to have treatments ahead of time. What do we do to prevent? What do we do to prevent? Because we can't fix a lot of shit once it starts going wrong. And there's a lot of downstream effects to a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:43:07 We're just ruining the whole mindset here. And it's also going to play into their narrative too when they don't do all those preventative things and they wind up getting very sick. They'll be like, well, it's the environment. It was the chemtrails. It was the thing that got me sick instead of the regular maintenance of my body. Yeah, dude, it's exactly it. You know, it's like, would you rather like take good care
Starting point is 00:43:29 of your heart or have a heart attack and be like, I hope you can fix it. I'd rather just never have the heart attack. And it's funny because when we say it and we don't use a disease like a virus or a bacteria, but we use like, hey, which would be better to break your leg and patch it back up, break your leg and set it or not break your leg at all, which would be better to break your leg and patch it back up, break your leg and set it,
Starting point is 00:43:46 or not break your leg at all, which would be better? Everybody is like, well, yeah, I'd rather not break my leg. Can we not do the leg breaking thing? That would be great. It's awesome, like, let's not break my leg. Let's do that. But I can probably fix most of the time, I could probably fix,
Starting point is 00:43:58 I still rather just not break my leg. Shit, no. And it's like, for some reason, when we talk about like a virus or a bacteria, it's like, well, I'll just go get some, you know, treatment for it. It's the exact opposite. Give me a fucking lollipop with measles on it.
Starting point is 00:44:12 Yeah, right. Yeah. It's the fucking shit. But I made the balls a little larger as a tribute to my manhood. All right, so this story comes from MSNBC. Tim Walls is giving MAGA a masterclass in manhood. I love this. I did too. I did too. I had a big, huge smile on my face when I was reading it because it was something that I hadn't really considered. You know, one of the things that I think we
Starting point is 00:44:37 love Tim Walls for is his sort of unabashed dadness. And I think like, this is one of, there's another article I saw this week where someone said, you know, it's a whole article essentially that is saying, Fox News took away all of our Tim Walls dads, basically. Fox News turned, Fox News changed every, and when we see Tim Walls, we think, that's what my dad would be like
Starting point is 00:45:03 if he didn't sit down in front of Fox News for six hours a day and get his brain fed all this stupid shit. My dad would be just like Tim Walls. I have a father figure in my life who watches Fox News all the time, and I was very close to many years ago. And now, I mean, he reminds me very much of Tim Walls.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Very much of Tim Walls. but he also has all those worst cases of being a Fox News junkie. And so it's, and it's, and it's a really interesting point. And Tim Walls being somebody who is a picture of what it means to be a masculine yet sensitive person. And we are awash in the right toxic masculinity right now. And I think this is such an amazing contrast of those two figures. I couldn't possibly agree more. I feel like the version of masculinity
Starting point is 00:46:01 that Tim Walz really represents that I admire deeply is he embodies the idea of a life lived in service to family and community. Like you see all those like memes like Tim Walz, you know, would measure twice and cut once. Tim Walz would, you know, they've seen all. Yes, they're great. They're great. They have this like underlying sense of competence, They're great. They have this like underlying sense of competence, of gentle advice, of doing for you. Tim Walls is the guy who helps you fix your tire on the side of the road.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Tim Walls, like there's a sense of like, how can I as a man embody a positive masculinity? And I think that positive masculinity that Tim Walls represents is a masculinity of service to others, service to family, service to community, and competence. Just being good at stuff, competent. Like, here's a guy who I think has lived a life
Starting point is 00:46:55 where he said, how can I be of service to other people? I'll be a teacher, I'll be a coach, I'll join the National Guard for 24 years. And like, these are things, and he's gentle about it. He's not braggadocious about it. There's a humility in there too. Like that is kind of the like vision of masculinity I grew up with.
Starting point is 00:47:13 And that's like my platonic ideal too. When I think about that sort of thing, I think about someone who is doing for you. I also think what he embodies is unconditional love, right? One of the things that we see from the Republican side is a very conditional love, right? If you grow up hetero and cis, I will love you. But he's willing to help and love people
Starting point is 00:47:38 that aren't growing up in those ways, people that aren't identifying in those ways. He's doing things for them in schools that no one else is doing in other ways, people that aren't identifying in those ways. He's doing things for them in schools that no one else is doing in other states, in other blue states, he's doing things, progressive things that other states haven't even caught up with yet. Yeah, and you know, I see this on the right a lot
Starting point is 00:47:59 when I like go into online spaces, which I know are not good representatives of like the bulk of people, right? But when I go into online spaces like which I know are not good representatives of like the bulk of people, right? But when I go into online spaces like Reddit, et cetera, I see from the right, this version of masculinity that treats all relationships as very transactional. I for you because you for me. You for me and then I for you.
Starting point is 00:48:23 But it's always transactional. It's always just a quid pro quo. There's always some attachment to it. And that feels like such a gross and jarring juxtaposition from what I've always thought of is like, and I'm talking about like romantic relationships or friend relationships, like really all relationships. Like I always grew up like sort of like holding the notion
Starting point is 00:48:44 of like, no, like I have a commitment to you. And that is what our relationship is based on. A commitment to you because we're friends. A commitment to you because I want there to be a closeness. A commitment to you because I value something in you. And like, if I don't get something directly from you in this transactional one-to-one way, that's okay. What I get out of this is the joy of this relationship.
Starting point is 00:49:09 The right has really transactionalized in these really gross ways relating it all to people. Well, you gotta get something first. You gotta get before you give. Yeah, and look at all that hookup stuff that they're doing now with guys, where they're talking about the Sigma males going out and getting all the ladies. That is 100% transactions. And don't you see that same kind of mindset written into the politics of the right.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Absolutely. Like think about like a JD Vance. You know, no, I don't have to do that. Although JD Vance is a good example, but an even cleaner and clearer example is Trump very recently said, well, I guess I got to promote electric cars. Now I'm getting $45 million from, from Elon Musk. Now he called Musk in 2022, Trump called Musk, a Musk, a complete bullshit artist. That's what he called him in 2022. Now he's on his platform and he's best friends and he's promoting electric cars and he's moved back from his position because all of his relationships are transactional.
Starting point is 00:50:11 There's nothing genuine. There's nothing purposeful. There's nothing honest. There's nothing based in empathy. There's no, there's no honesty to the relationships and they're promoting a style of living and a way of thinking for men specifically that says, hey, what are women for? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Right, when we think about the idea of what are women for, we're thinking about a transactional position where women do and that's why we do. Not like this is somebody I love. Yeah. This is just a person, instead it's a type and a kind and what do they do and what are they for? Yeah, man. There's a mindset and a kind. And what do they do and what are they for?
Starting point is 00:50:45 There's a mindset on the right that really feeds that. And Tim Wells is such a good antidote to that. Yeah. And his ability to cross those, to sort of be a beacon of this, what I think is like real masculinity is amazing in this time because there's so many bad examples, so many bad examples out there of what bad masculine tangerine tape, you know, bad, bad idea of what masculinity is. Tons of these people who think they're very masculine
Starting point is 00:51:20 and who try to come off Trump as one of those people, terrible example of what masculinity is. So I'm so happy that that's what people are focusing on. And I hope that that's what pulls some of this stuff away because there's so many popular influencers out there that are just shitty bad dudes. They're just bad dudes. Well, another, I'm just thinking out loud here,
Starting point is 00:51:41 but like another virtue of masculinity that I grew up with, that I've always thought of, and sort of like put in the bucket in my head of like, this is the kind of man I'd wanna be, that I think the right has really gotten away from, is the sort of like idolizing reliability. I grew up idolizing men that were reliable. Being reliable was like, that was part of your job as like men were reliable
Starting point is 00:52:08 Like the right like that's just how I got I know I'm old I'm 46 years old and I know this is an outdated version and I don't want to suggest by the way that women can't be Reliable. Yeah, that's not at all what I mean. It's at the point of this but I think I think like a character like Tim Walls exudes a kind of personal and political reliability and like Tim Walz exudes a kind of personal and political reliability. And there's a characterization on the right that says,
Starting point is 00:52:31 men don't need to be reliable. Reliability is no longer valued. Reliability, consistency, these are things that are not. I'll be reliable, but you gotta do something for me. Yeah. Yeah. The reliability is contingent on something else. Yeah. Yeah. It's gross. Mm-hmm. The reliability is contingent on something. Yeah. Yeah. It's gross.
Starting point is 00:52:50 This place to go would be Florida. The keys are lovely this time of year. This story comes from the AP. Arizona and Missouri joined states with abortion amendments on the ballot. What would the measurements do? I read this. I want to click my heels together like a fucking comic leprechaun. Abortion drives ballots, abortion drives votes, abortion drives turnout. In Arizona, a key state, a state Biden barely won that is very competitive, a sunbelt state that is potentially needed in order to secure a Harris win. Putting, putting abortion on the ballot, abortion wins every time. This is like, I feel like this ties the state up in a bow.
Starting point is 00:53:33 There's a couple of these places that I was just shocked that they would, they would do this, but this is about how, this is how organizing grassroots style works too. And this is something I think that people don't get is that when we put our mind to something, we work on putting all these ballots signatures together, we can put things on the ballot if you get enough signatures. That's how grassroots organizing works.
Starting point is 00:53:58 So you can get some of these things that, you know, they wanna try to enshrine these protections in law, they can in states where you didn't think it was gonna be possible these things that, you know, they want to try to enshrine these protections in law, they can in states where you didn't think it was going to be possible and places where there's no abortion at all. Now they're saying, no, we want to make a, and there was enough people in the state to say, let's put this on the ballot. Now it might not win. Might not, but there's been a lot of evidence so far, even in far red States where this stuff is one. And that is down ticket stuff too.
Starting point is 00:54:26 Yeah, buddy. Yeah, the thing that's super exciting to me is twofold. One, I want every woman in America to have access to healthcare, period. So I'm excited because in every state that these ballot measures have been floated, they've won. There are no exceptions. They've won every time.
Starting point is 00:54:45 They've won to your point in states like Kansas. They've won in Ohio. These ballot measures win in states that otherwise are fairly conservative places. If you have these same ballot measures in places that are less solidly conservative, they'll almost certainly win. This empowers women to receive the healthcare that they desire and that their doctors and
Starting point is 00:55:08 they should choose to have. So that is a number one, the most important thing, but it also helps broader political agenda of possibly securing States. The States here, let me kind of go through these real quick. This one is interesting. Florida. The state Supreme Court ruled in April that a measure to legalize abortion until viability could go on the ballot despite a legal challenge from the state. Attorney General Ashley Moody had argued there are differing views in
Starting point is 00:55:38 the meaning of viability and some key terms that proposed measure are not properly defined. To pass the measure needs support from at least 60% of voters. A high threshold supporters say they are hopeful of reaching after collecting nearly a million signatures on the petition to get on the ballot. Abortion is currently illegal in Florida. Here's the thing, if abortion is on the ballot in November, if it is part of that same ticket, Florida is more competitive now than it was four years ago. Absolutely, 100% more competitive. You're gonna get more people to the ballot box. They motivated a million people just to create
Starting point is 00:56:12 this fucking ballot measure. Think about that. Think about all those people that were motivated to sign this. Now you get all those people to come out. I mean, you could feasibly see this change law in Florida and change down ticket and the presidency. And if that happens, we have the possibility then of passing federal legislation.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Absolutely, to protect it. To protect everybody. So we don't have to do this nickel and dime one by one domino after domino bullshit. Nevada's on here. Big state. Big important state, man. Big state. South Dakota doesn't matter as much. No. Montana as well and Nebraska,
Starting point is 00:56:48 those aren't names that are like gonna, you're not gonna flip those states, but I will say, you know, Nevada's a big state. Big state, man. That was again also in play last time. Yep. So these are big measures that they're dropping on ballots that are like fucking possibility is really amazing
Starting point is 00:57:06 for Harris and Walls to use this. And this is also, you know, you said this, God, Tommy, you must have said this 18 months ago, where you said, I would never do anything but be a democratic commercial that talks about how I'm gonna take your rights away, and this is brought to you by the Republican Party, essentially, right? Right, yeah right using their own words against them
Starting point is 00:57:27 Think of how fucking powerful these messages are in those states very particularly Arizona, Nevada You start talking to these people then these rallies and things like that and telling them that you're gonna be there and you're gonna make Sure, you protect their rights. You're not just you're not just solidifying them to come out to vote for their rights, you're also stapling yourself to that ticket. Right. Yeah. And you've got to drive home. Trump took credit for taking away your rights. Sure did. Trump gloated about it. He took credit. He said, I'm going to put the most anti-abortion justices on the Supreme Court that you've ever seen. I'm going to deliver for you the evangelicals.
Starting point is 00:58:06 He did it, he gloated about it, he took credit for it, he took his victory lap. Now he's the dog that caught the car. So let's back the fucking car up. Show him every chance you get with that car in his mouth. Fucking right. Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a man or a bear? Bear.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Man is scary. Um, with a bear. What I've heard about bears, they don't always attack you, right? Unless you like fuck with them. So maybe a bear. Depends what man, but probably a bear or a hundred percent of bear, which is like terrifying to say, but definitely a bear. Some men are very scary out there. A bear.
Starting point is 00:58:48 This is from Salon. The big question touching a nerve this election. Can my husband find out who I'm voting for? Dark. This is a dark story. Dark. Although they do, I feel like there's, there is some, there's a bit of this where they're saying this isn't very common. It's not super common. But there is enough of it where poll workers have had to turn to someone and say,
Starting point is 00:59:09 you can't go in there with your wife. You're not allowed to do that. You can't go in there and follow her in there and look at what she's doing. She has to vote on her own. That's how this works. And I feel like this is more to me, this is more of a call to the audience.
Starting point is 00:59:24 We had someone send us a message this week and say, I took the time off. I signed up. Oh, cool. I mean, so I want to say to everybody, if you have an opportunity to do this, the reason why I say to do this is think of how great it can be to look somebody in the face and be like, sorry, son, you can't go in there. No, you can't go in there. No, she gets to vote on her own.
Starting point is 00:59:45 You sit your fucking ass down over there. Think how great that is that you get to be part of that wall, stopping these people from trying to control other people. Think how great that would feel to be empowered by the state to stop this illegal activity. Dude, that's, that's, I hadn't even thought about that. That would be like like to be honest, that's the kind of confrontation that would be a delight to have to help empower somebody
Starting point is 01:00:11 and to help put somebody who is trying to control their wife or daughter or whatever, to put them back in their fucking place and be like, not in America. We don't do that here. Not today. That's not the country you want to live in. That's great.
Starting point is 01:00:22 And I think like, this calls to me in a way that I think is amazing. And chances are you won't see it. But they did interview a poll worker here who said, yeah, I've had to tell a couple of guys not to do that. You can't follow your wife in there and watch what she's going to do. Look over her shoulder. And I just want to say to the audience so that you hear somebody say it because it is not known universally. There is no record that is available publicly or otherwise for how you voted.
Starting point is 01:00:54 It is a secret ballot. Your husband can't know how you voted. Your senator doesn't know how you voted. Your boss doesn't. Nobody knows. It's not how the system works. The system specifically does not specifically and intentionally and systematically does not work to allow that to happen. It is a secret ballot. It is always a secret ballot. There is no record that is available. You'll get, and I say this because like remember those Trump mailers, you didn't vote and Trump knows. There's a big brother-esque feel that they're trying to sell. Like, hey, we know what you're doing. We know what ticket you're punching.
Starting point is 01:01:31 No, nobody does. Nobody fucking knows. It's private, it's secret, it's your business. I do another podcast, Lawful Assembly, LawfulPod.com. The podcast I do with a lawyer friend of mine who is an older gentleman who happens to have worked in many, many polls throughout many, many years. And he tells a story on one of the episodes.
Starting point is 01:01:53 He says that he was a poll worker, an election judge, working with another person from another party, making sure that everything was going correctly. So he's standing there from one party, there's another person from another party, making sure that everything was going correctly. So he's standing there from one party, there's another person from another party, and they're just observing. They're making sure that everything's working out of the way it is. And one guy, because in Chicago, when you go up,
Starting point is 01:02:14 I don't know if this is the same everywhere, but they have big paper ballots, and they put them in a binder, like a holder. So it's like a folder. And when you walk up, they say, go ahead and slide it in. So you take it from the hidden area and you slide it directly in. Now you don't have to carry it up there in the hidden area,
Starting point is 01:02:31 but somebody could peep your ballot if you do that. So lots of people walk up there with it closed. Well, one guy was working that machine and he kept on opening it up to make sure it was the right way and look at it. And he had to walk over to him and say, don't you open that thing up again. This is a secret bet. You're not allowed to look. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:51 And he was, he was said, I wasn't sure if he was trying to intimidate the people who were coming up with the ballot, because he could then see what you voted. And so he had to tell him a couple of times. And at a certain point, he brought the police officer over who's at every place, a polling place and said, you got to tell him a couple of times. And at a certain point, he brought the police officer over, who's in every place, a polling place, and said, you gotta tell him to stop doing this. And the guy was like, okay, okay, okay, I'll stop doing it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh my God, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:11 But he essentially had to go get a police officer to walk over and be like, tell this fucking knucklehead to please fucking stop doing this. So there are people out there who try to do this shit, who try to intimidate voters, who try to change your idea of what you're gonna do. You know, you could be, think about how terrifying that could be if you're in the middle of a red state.
Starting point is 01:03:31 And you're gonna be voting in a blue ticket, and you're terrified that they're gonna pull that thing out and know that that's you, because they're gonna see you at the grocery store, they're gonna see you at the barber, they're gonna see you. So it's so important to make sure that we have those safeguards in place to echo what you said.
Starting point is 01:03:48 And like, I remember that episode of Lawful Assembly. I remember when Craig told that story. And I would add that especially if you happen to be, if you're a listener and you're in a red state, you know, if all, and we all know this is true, if all the actors in charge in a room are bad actors, there is nobody watching them. There is nothing to say that in Piddlefuck County,
Starting point is 01:04:13 Alabama or whatever, that everybody that's a poll watcher in that room will not behave badly together, right? The reason it worked in the example you gave is because somebody like Craig was willing to intervene, right? The reason it worked in the example you gave is because somebody like Craig was willing to intervene, right? But if everybody's on board, so be the person that's not on board. You don't know. You might be the only thing that stands between the right way things are supposed to be done and a group full of people or a room full of people who are poll workers who want to interfere. Yeah, who want to cajole you into changing your vote. Yeah.
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