Comedy Bang Bang: The Podcast - Max Silvestri, Charlie McCrackin, Ryan Rosenberg

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Comedian extraordinaire Max Silvestri joins Scott once again to talk about the 5 year anniversary of his legendary 10 minute stand-up set at festival in Johnny Carson’s honor, the history of The Ton...ight Show, and life after becoming a father. Then, Inspector Jack Cates returns in search of Albert Ganz’s brother Cherry Ganz. Plus, security guard Big Mike stops by to talk about his security business.Get tickets for the Comedy Bang! Bang! Into Your Mouth Tour 2024 over at https://CBBWorld.com/tour Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link: https://siriusxm.com/cbb 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Comedy Bang Bang, the show where tan pants are called tants. Welcome to Comedy Bang Bang. Hmm. Thank you to Pickasaurus. Pickasaurus for that catchphrase submission. Don't think it's gonna stick, unfortunately, but we love the effort. Welcome to Comedy Bang Bang, though those sentiments I agree with.
Starting point is 00:00:46 Speaking of effort, we have a great show for you today. Coming up a little later, we have someone in law enforcement. We also have a security guard. So two people with badges, I presume. That'll be very exciting for them to compare and contrast their badges. But before we get to them,
Starting point is 00:01:03 let's bring on our first guest, the year 2019. The state, Nebraska. What happened there, the reverberations of which have been rocking the comedy community for now five years, a half decade, this guest gave a standup spot while short in minutes, 15 at last estimation. It is long in the way that has,
Starting point is 00:01:41 it has really influenced the comedy community ever since then. We're still talking about it and it's going to continue today. We're going to talk about it today. We're going to catch up with the provocateur who unleashed this upon the world. He is a standup comedian. He is a writer. I like to think of him as a friend or associate colleague.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Is colleague more specific? I like friend. You like friends. Yeah. That's nice to hear. I'm going to go with colleague. Okay, fair. Please welcome Max Silvestri.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Welcome back. It's obviously a pleasure to be back on the anniversary. Is it the anniversary? Well, I just mean the five year anniversary of this. Because this was during the summer, was it not? It was, so we're right after the. Yeah, but it's the anniversary year considering like every year that comes after 2019,
Starting point is 00:02:39 it's sort of like the anniversary year. Exactly, but I feel like five has weight. And it's almost spooky to be here talking to you again, I think now maybe for the fourth time, about the set just four months after the five-year anniversary to the date. So it's like it's weird. It's a crazy coincidence to have you back on with those kind of numbers floating around, certainly. And of course, what we're talking about, Max, is what, what exact festival was this? It was the Great American Comedy Festival in, I believe, North. You would agree that America is great?
Starting point is 00:03:18 I would, absolutely. And if I wasn't sure before this trip to Norfolk, Nebraska. Solidified that? Solidified it. I was like, every part of this country is amazing. And this city is special. I don't believe I've ever been to Nebraska. Oh my God. And if you were to go,
Starting point is 00:03:36 I imagine you probably would do a solid hour and 20 minute drive from the biggest airport to go to the childhood home of Johnny Carson, which carries such, I think, psychic magnetic, almost cosmic weight, much like my set did. I feel like that city is almost this interesting, eerie Indiana nexus. There's power there. And that's why they go back there or was it his childhood home? And then he just said, that's in the rear view, I'm never going back.
Starting point is 00:04:06 You know, he went back once or twice. They made a... I know you were forced to watch a video about all this. I was forced to watch a video about it, but also I believe at some point during his Tonight Show run for our younger viewers, he was the host of the Tonight Show directly before Jimmy Fallon.
Starting point is 00:04:23 He... No one in between. No one in between. No one in between. There's no daylight. Johnny passed suddenly and Jimmy got the call and it was that afternoon. It was great. I remember this like it was yesterday. It was approximately, I think, 2011 or something. That sounds right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:44 And Johnny had been doing it for so long at that point. He'd been doing it since the 50s. Yep. And he's edging up to a hundred years old at that point. Yeah, he cleared it. There was a big special. It was a whole thing when he turned a hundred. That's right.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Okay, so that's right. Yeah, so he had just turned a hundred. He did the big special, which lasted, it was interesting because they had like a three hour slot for it in prime time. Yeah. And after 15 minutes, he was kind of like, he was- He was sort of out of gas. There were still other guests on the couches and stuff and the band was still there, but it just sort of got quiet. And he was asleep.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Bette Midler was going to sing to him. Sure. And she was like, you know what? I'm going to put a pin in it. Yeah. It looks so peaceful right now. but it just sort of got quiet. I didn't sleep. Bette Midler was gonna sing to him. Sure. And she was like, you know what? I'm gonna put a pin in it. It looks so peaceful right now. So after 15 minutes, they were just like, we're gonna stop. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:33 And everyone understood, that's the thing. And everyone respectfully watched the other two hours and 45 minutes of just a blank screen in his honor, which I thought was really, really nice. He'd earned it, I think. And so then he's at a hundred, then he, I think he's getting close to a hundred and one at this point.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Yes, and he, like, I guess it was like a famous thing that he would ride his motorcycle over the hill to breakfast in Studio City every single morning. Over at Hugo's. Exactly. So he was at Mulholland or something like that, but he was taking a turn fast as Johnny did and lost control of the bike and it was just like... It was unexpected.
Starting point is 00:06:14 And what was great about it was the night before that Midler finally had a chance to sing that song to him. And so that ended up being a really great last episode. Yes, it was beautiful. It was, it was, so it's one of the rare occasions where something happens totally unexpectedly, but the last episode they do is a good capper on everything. And so, you know, this all happens at breakfast time, news travels fast, but Jimmy's on East coast time.
Starting point is 00:06:44 He only has a couple of hours to put something together. travels fast, but Jimmy's on East Coast time. He only has a couple of hours to put something together. He's riding his motorcycle to lunch at that point. Just because of the time difference. He only has a few hours to throw just a slapdash show together. Yeah, and the set was in LA and that was a whole thing. That's right, they had to mail the set to him
Starting point is 00:07:03 that afternoon, they put it on the Concord, I remember. And it just, it was the last flight of the Concord. I mean, just yeah. Yeah, the very last flight. Yeah. After that, they were like, this is as good as it gets. Yeah, I remember when the show came out, Flight of the Concord, it was like about the set going
Starting point is 00:07:16 and it was, yeah, they were New Zealand musicians. And so they finally get the set over to Jimmy. He does that first show, he can't get any guests. There was like a plumber I think was on, like just someone who was working on Jimmy's house or something. Oh, I thought it was Joe the plumber. Oh, that's probably, I think he was.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Who was working on Jimmy's house. Because he loved what he had to say. He also got Ken Bone in there somehow, I believe. I believe two weeks in a row, Ken Bone reference on this show. And Jimmy, the funniest part of it is he does the whole show. He forgets to call it the Tonight Show. Until the very, very last second, he's like,
Starting point is 00:07:58 oh, you were watching the Tonight Show. Everyone's like, breathes a sigh of relief. It's like, we got it, we're in good hands. We got it on film. The continuity of leadership, it's very, it's like when there's an attack and a lot of the cabinet has to go into a secure location and the president needs to be separate.
Starting point is 00:08:19 This was one of those things where it's like, what will our enemies do in Toronto, in London, other showbiz hubs, if they think there's no King of Late Night in America. Exactly, and what's weird is Jimmy got it mainly by the order of succession at that point. Everyone else who, we have to mention like, everyone else who died in that motorcycle accident accident were all the other people who were, he was like the designated survivor basically,
Starting point is 00:08:51 but everyone died in that, Jay Leno died in that motorcycle accident, Conan O'Brien I think died in it, and it was just like Jimmy was the guy who was left and he got it and he knocked it out of the park. It was like the day the laughter died, but also was reborn, you know, in a sort of Buddhist reincarnation way. It's all the laughter went from that bus full of potential late night replacements. And there were a lot of women on that bus.
Starting point is 00:09:18 That was the thing. That was the thing. That conversation included just as many women. Joan Rivers was on that bus. She was. She was. And Jean Smart was on that bus. She was. She was. And Gene Smart was on that bus and they wrote season three of Hacks
Starting point is 00:09:28 about this experience. And- Not to spoil how season four of Hacks will go, but it will be a terrible bus accident. Honestly, Hacks, that's the thing. It's a fun show and we've had Hannah on the show talking about it and she's great. It's a lighthearted show, but man, it's headed to
Starting point is 00:09:48 just a traumatic end for all these characters. When they say next season gets pretty messy, they're talking about- Body parts. Asphalt. On Mulholland. Stroom. Yeah, it is. Everywhere. And then there were a bunch of just random women
Starting point is 00:10:01 that they got off the street who weren't comedians just to make it 50-50. But it was a tragedy. But Jimmy stepped up. He did. And again, it's out of the park. Fair ball. Which you want. Yeah. You know, if it's out of the park and it's a foul, no one cares it went out of the park. And it's so funny you say this and use this metaphor because all this line of succession stuff was built into his deal for fever pitch. The movie about the Red Sox with Drew Barrymore, it was just like back and forth, studios not willing to go higher on his weekly and they want him for four days.
Starting point is 00:10:39 And it was just like, okay, you're gonna screw my client on money. I want him in the line of succession for the tonight show. I don't care if he's last. I just want him there. And universal at this point, the BA is like, well, this is, this is an easy give. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:54 He'll got 29. Never host the tonight show. Some say Jimmy might've had something to do with that. It'll crash. We're not saying he did. We're not saying he didn't. We're not saying he didn't. We might not saying he did. We're not saying he didn't. We're not saying he didn't. We might be saying he did.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Yeah, a lot of people say he did. A lot of people say he did. And his legacy is permanently if not. And we're among them. Yeah, we are. And when people say they don't even know about the crash or they definitely don't think he had anything to do with it, we sort of buttonhole them at parties
Starting point is 00:11:22 and are kinda like- We corner them. Yeah, like, no, he did, he did. And I've heard a lot of different stuff secondhand. You and I go to parties together a lot just to do this. Yeah. And I'm like, I'll take all the women. And you're like, that's- Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Okay. Can you say that a different way? But it's a fascinating showbiz story that a lot of people don't know. But you learned about this because you did this spot in Lincoln, Nebraska. Was it Lincoln? No, no. Lincoln is one of you did this spot in Lincoln, Nebraska. Was it Lincoln? No, no, Lincoln is one of the major cities that has like an airport. So imagine you're in Lincoln,
Starting point is 00:11:50 you're kind of like looking at the big city vibes, and then you get in a volunteer's pickup truck and you drive about 80 miles. One of those nice pickups where it's like, oh, you got three seats in the back. This feels like almost like an SUV that's missing a part. But you get in a friendly volunteers pickup truck and you do about 80 miles an hour on one straight road flat
Starting point is 00:12:11 until you get to Norfolk, which is the home of Johnny, the one time brief home of Johnny Carson. Norfolk. And Johnny Carson, they named this festival after him, is that right? No, it's the Great American Comedy. He might be the Great American that they're talking about. I think it draws a pretty clear line
Starting point is 00:12:28 where it's like what Jimmy, excuse me, Johnny, this is- That's the funny thing is Johnny Carson changed his name to Jimmy because of Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. Jimmy Kimmel's now been doing his show for about 20 years or so. Yep. For the last 10 that Johnny Carson was doing it, he's like,
Starting point is 00:12:50 Jimmy Kimmel is doing so well. Maybe I can trick people into watching. But this one. I know. I know that's how it like, yes, that is what happened. And that's the statement that came out. But this was also the point where a lot of people were saying that Johnny Carson's caretaker was making a lot of these career moves for him
Starting point is 00:13:08 and writing a lot of his monologue and a lot of his monologue was about- And performing a lot of his monologues. For sure, for sure. So she was like on the couch. A lot of the monologue was about how wonderful caretaker is and like how- And how conservatorships are good.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Yeah. Like, and a lot of like, whispers in the monologues, like with Johnny looking befuddled. And like, you know, these, we'd always close with that bit, I kind of became famous at the end, but it wasn't always a thing that was like,
Starting point is 00:13:40 and you know, when your nurse is so good, she's as much of the family as your family and she deserves to be rewarded for that. A classic bit. People love that bit certainly, but everything around it was a little shaky. So the last 10 years of that show, honestly, Johnny should have hung it up
Starting point is 00:13:57 maybe in like 1992 or 93. For sure. But he kept going. He wanted to keep going for another 20 years and we love him for it. But he is the great American, of course. And you gave this spot, opening for whom again? Dave Coulier, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:14:16 I was one of a number of openers for Dave Coulier. And that spot, it's kind of, again, spooky, I'm here. That particular spot was only five minutes. So that one really like the that spot was only five. I believe I did a 15 minute spot. There was no Dave Coulier, kind of a smaller after thing where it was like now we'll let all the comedians really cook and do 15 kind of just and we're all stretching. We're all like, I don't even know how to fill this time. But the Dave Cooley spot was five. And that was like, that was so Johnny.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Johnny loves, I love five minute spots. Yeah. A lot, a lot of times, like basically they came to Johnny, this is more tonight chit lore and I know we're boring our younger audiences, but they came to him in the fifties and said, Hey, Johnny, we would love to do a show where you come out and all you say is, hello everybody, here's this week's comedian. And then the comedian does an hour.
Starting point is 00:15:12 And he was like, I kind of wish it was more like five. He loved to watch standup, but he would tune out after five minutes, which quite honestly, everyone does. When I see these Netflix's hours, you know what I mean? You had it, you had the right idea. What did you do? Just a 12 minute. I did a 15 minute Netflix special.
Starting point is 00:15:35 And again, that was just like, give me a five minute. That's my stuff. That's the good stuff. That travels to Norfolk. Yes, to West Hollywood. Team rises to the top. And when we say the top, we mean the five minutes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:49 That are good. And so Netflix, yeah, was like, do more, just like, so I did it three times, the five minute set. Yeah, three times in a row. Yeah, and I would do it louder the second time, it became almost this like tone piece. But five minutes is the amount of comedy. And Johnny had it and they were like,
Starting point is 00:16:05 but then we have, we're selling soap. That's what they used to TV was just to sell soap. And they were like, we have now. They also, by the way, they used to use soap to sell TVs. So you'd buy soap and there'd be an ad for television sets on the back of it. Like if you like this, you'll probably enjoy this. That's so smart.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Cause what's everybody have in their tub? A TV. TV. And that's because they saw it on their soap. Yeah. That's right. It's incredible. I mean, the things you learn. But so you did five minutes before Dave Coulier
Starting point is 00:16:41 and that's the spot we're talking about. That is the spot. I mean, the other stuff was like, you know, the jazz musicians going to like play at somebody's house at three in the morning. That's not the set. That's not bird club. Bird club, of course.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Famous jazz club. Now one might say like, okay, breaking down the economics of this festival. Sure. Is it worth it to them to fly you out to do five minutes of comedy and another three people? That's, I'm presuming there were three openers for Dave Coulier.
Starting point is 00:17:14 At least, yeah. Doing five minutes. Yep. And so we're talking four plane tickets, four hotel rooms. Yep. Why doesn't Dave Coulier just do an extra 15? Well, Dave likes the crowd to be oiled up. So this is also, Dave's not gonna come out.
Starting point is 00:17:35 The Tin Man liked it. I'm not gonna disagree with Dave Coulier. You're talking about Tin Allen? Yes, Tin Allen. Yeah. So I think, Johnny had this long view. Johnny knew when he got this crazy job opportunity in 1951. And this is by the way, is back when there was nothing on TV.
Starting point is 00:17:52 So it was like, oh, hey, instead of just, you know, turning on TVs and there being nothing on, let's put something on these TVs. It was sort of like a broad, like the broadcast test kind of buzzing and then just lettering that said turn this off So Johnny had this long vision where he's like, I think Comic do five minutes. I talk and we have other people on and I do this forever and he had a long view Yeah, that wasn't just about let's do one He created the form because people were not interested in talking to each other back then either. And he was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:18:26 I did this at a party once. You know how when you go to a party, everyone was just sitting there and they're not talking to each other. I went up to someone and I had a conversation with him and people were like, really? He goes, I think we should film that. And he was one of the first people
Starting point is 00:18:40 to really have a conversation with another person. And people kind of took the lead from Johnny at parties after that. And what we do right now, podcasts are so indebted. Oh my God, you're right. I never even. Can you imagine podcasts if Johnny wasn't around? I mean, I do feel you even miss, Johnny's been gone now 13 years and I feel like we've, lots of people have forgotten the art of conversation. They're on their phones and sometimes you and I will come into a party and just no one's talking to each other and we will start separating them and telling
Starting point is 00:19:11 them that Jimmy Fallon cut the brakes and knew what he was doing. And no, and everyone acts like we're a nuisance and we don't get invited back. They're all on their laptops and they're like, if you're not going to buy coffee, leave and we're like, we're here. They all have their candy colored Macs're like, if you're not gonna buy coffee, leave. And we're like, we're here. They all have their candy colored Macs that they're lugging from party to party. Yeah. And then they ask us to leave.
Starting point is 00:19:33 Yeah. And we're like, no, this is what Johnny did on the Tonight Show. Go learn your history. I do think that the festival organizers, much like Johnny Carson had this long vision where of course, is it worth it this year, this July 2019, to fly out these comics
Starting point is 00:19:50 to warm up a crowd for Dave Coulier in front of exclusively local Nebraska residents? Sure, maybe the numbers don't fully work. But now, here five years later, I'm on the podcast talking for the fourth time about the legacy time about the legacy Of the great American Comedy Festival, which has it been operating since then You know, honestly, I think that's a question the festival should answer on like I don't I I hope they reach out to us because
Starting point is 00:20:19 Have we yet? No, they have not we've talked about them so much. So much. That- Have they reached out to me to be like, it's funny to, we love you're getting the word out. No. Tell you what, 2024, they're still doing it. There we go. 2024 performers has a full webpage of its own. And I guess that already happened in July.
Starting point is 00:20:41 So I guess I'm not gonna hear about that. June, no. June. They have not asked you back, probably because you can't improve upon perfection. You're right. The shadows have gotten longer. As the sun sets on my life, on the industry, the human race, all of it,
Starting point is 00:20:59 now those five minutes are casting these longer. It's dramatic. It's the end of the day. It's magic hour. It's like, ah, listen to these performers. We have a comedy magic show. That sounds fun. Lucy darling.
Starting point is 00:21:09 We have a drunk history retrospective. Who do you want to hear talk about drunk history? Probably Derek, right? I would assume that you were about to say that Derek is. He's not there. Oh. But it sounds like a great festival and we've been giving them free advertising
Starting point is 00:21:26 for now five years. They've not stopped doing it. A lot has changed in our business in five years, but they- I don't see Dave Coulier. Oh, Baron Vaughn from the comedy, Bang Bang TV show. He's, oh, Frank Caliendo.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Okay, that's Coulier adjacent. I bet Caliendo was on Johnny show I Thought he was I think that that's what they date a lot of Dave set as I think we've spoken about a few times here On the podcast was Much like we did today Memories of Johnny and how much it may a and how much it meant. Johnny Coolier, he made his career on Johnny Carson show.
Starting point is 00:22:07 And he was cast on Full House because of how incredible he was on Johnny. He owes Johnny a lot. He owes Johnny a lot, as we all do. Yes, I mean, the podcast format, it's almost crazy you don't talk about Johnny Carson every single episode. I'm gonna start, yeah, I'm gonna start.
Starting point is 00:22:22 That can be a little section fans are like, what's the tribute to- Remembrances of Johnny. Yeah. With people who have never been on a show. I'm trying to think of anyone who's been on this show has ever been on Carson's Tonight Show. Obviously Paul Reiser must have been.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Sure, Paul Reiser didn't talk about Johnny when he was here? He didn't talk about Johnny. They must have had beef or something. Yeah, I bet. Paul Reiser was not on that bus. I'll tell you that much. And you would have thought he would have been on it.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Well, it's incredible. I would just ask the Great American Comedy Festival to reach out to us because I think the sixth year anniversary, I know you were saying the five sounds special. Sure. The sixth year anniversary sounds even better to do some sort of a tribute to that set. I agree. And you know, it's like, we didn't even talk about it. We should move on. But it's also,
Starting point is 00:23:12 it's emotional for me to be talking about it. You know, when you've become a father in the last few years, I'm now a father. A lot of my earlier, there's chapters in my life I look on differently now that I have the perspective of how would have my father felt if I did that? And what would it feel like to think of building a legacy for your child? So now I think I feel differently about the set being a father. And Johnny being a great father, I think is such a big part of his legacy. I think he famously was a father and a husband first. I think that's kind of how- I think that's how we know him, certainly. This family man that kind of took a break from his kids to run on stage with a sweater and you know.
Starting point is 00:23:52 And a lot of your spot, I remember you telling me was jokes about how fathers are stupid. I'm never going to be a father. Y'all know how you don't need fathers. Yeah. And now- So you see that differently now. I do. Interesting. I do. I see it from, and I don't think I would change a word. I'm someone who has no regrets, no matter what-
Starting point is 00:24:12 No apologies, no regrets. You've always said that. You know, and that's time and time again. Women I've met at parties who I've talked to about Jimmy Fallon have reached out and they're like, I think you owe me an apology. Like- No apologies, no regrets. This was my birthday party in a private dining room and you weren't invited. And I was like, no regrets, no regrets, because Johnny had no regrets
Starting point is 00:24:30 because he had nothing to be sorry about, neither do I. That's right. Well, hopefully next June, I would love to moderate it. Oh my God. Great American Comedy Festival, reach out to us. We'll get all the participants, we'll get Couillet back. Yeah, the other ones that were there.
Starting point is 00:24:45 The other people that you remember so fondly. We'll get all of them and we'll break down what happens that very, very special night. We can only do so much on this program. There doesn't seem to be a ceiling on it yet. We might edit it at some point. No, I think we'll continue talking about this until something happens with it.
Starting point is 00:25:07 I would love a Saturday night style movie about it. Just kind of a real time on the ground, where's Kouyé? The first 80 minutes is you driving from the airport. Well there was the combine ride we were allowed to take and then we- Yes, you go into his childhood home, being forced to watch the video. This has all been covered in our previous episodes. But we have to take a break.
Starting point is 00:25:31 When we come back, this is exciting. We have someone in law enforcement. Oh, it's so good to get inside the mind of someone in law enforcement. Now more than ever. Yeah, and we also have a security guard. So a really exciting show, Max. I'm so happy you're here for it.
Starting point is 00:25:45 And this, I'm hoping that this episode goes down in history the same way that your spot did in 2019. Thank you for having me, Scott. It's such a pleasure. All right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back, we'll have more Max Silvestri. We'll have a person in law enforcement, a person who's a security guard.
Starting point is 00:26:02 That's right, we're gonna have a badge off. We'll be right back with more Comedy Bang Bang after this. No, no, no, no. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Comedy Bang Bang, we're back. Max Silvestri is here and we've been going over,
Starting point is 00:26:16 we were wondering how many times we've talked about this fabled set and it appears that in episode 605, you promoted it because that was a couple of days before it occurred. Yeah, so there was an opportunity for fans of the podcast to book a ticket to both the festival and Nebraska and get out there and- To watch that five minutes,
Starting point is 00:26:35 which I'm sure whoever did was glad they did. And then we had you back a mere five months later to get a recap. It's still fresh in my mind. Still fresh. Then COVID happened, so we didn't have you on again for about two years after the set occurred to get another recap.
Starting point is 00:26:55 And then we had you back in 22 to talk about it. Not on in 23. I needed space to process being in, you know. Well, you know, what happens when, when an earth shaking event like that happens, suddenly you're in the public eye and all eyes are upon you. And you, you don't feel like a regular person anymore. So I think you needed time to retreat, to go back behind those, the gates that you have on your estate. And just get away from
Starting point is 00:27:27 the paps. And I respect that. But now you're back. It's the fifth year anniversary, but six. Six is the magic number. Six is. And next year is gonna be the thing. And hopefully we could record this in Nebraska next year. God willing. I would love that. That'd be so fun. So if you're a completist and you need the whole story, consider the four EPs post July 2019, kind of the core quadrilogy. And those are episodes six oh five, no six oh five was when you were promoting. Yes.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Six 26, seven 12, seven 86. And now this one, which I believe is 800 and, what are we talking? 885? Yeah, so about a hundred, oh yeah, a hundred exactly after the last one you were on. I knew there was something crackling in the air. Maybe we do it every hundred? That sounds great.
Starting point is 00:28:16 You know how we have Andy Daly and Jason Manzuka on the hundreds? Maybe we have you on 100 episodes. But not like, it's not round number, it's just a hundred from. It's a hundred from, so it has to be, next time would have to be 984 instead of 985. That'll be easy.
Starting point is 00:28:33 We'll figure this out. Well, it's time to get to our next guest. We've talked to him before. He is a detective in San Francisco. Please welcome back Jack Cates. You're looking good, convict. Hey, Jack, how are you? Hey, this is Max.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Hi, Max, how are you doing? I'm doing well, nice to meet you, Jack. Nice to meet you. I just want you both to know, we are not partners, we're not brothers, and we're not friends. I'm gonna put you down and keep you down until the ends is locked up or dead.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Okay, well, he and I are colleagues. Yeah. Is that a one-sided friendship and a two-sided- You're my friend and I'm your colleague. Well, you're not friends with me. We're also not brothers and we're not partners. Okay, I mean, we could be friends. This is the second time you're on the show.
Starting point is 00:29:18 I don't think so. We gotta find Gans. Wait, now you, okay, let me refresh everyone's memory. Detective Kates, you... Inspector Cates. What's that? I'm a inspector with the San Francisco Police Department. What does that mean? Inspector? It's like a detective. Well, why did you call yourself detective last time? You called me that! Why didn't you correct me last time? Because we had to find GANs. We only had 48 hours and didn't have time to correct you.
Starting point is 00:29:43 Okay, well, in any case, it's been more than 48 hours. Right, we found that Gans! Oh wait, this is a different Gans? He was in the room with us that time! Oh, that's right, I forgot! He turned out to be the other guest on the podcast! That's right, oh, that's right, so wait, there's a different Gans? Yeah, he's got a brother!
Starting point is 00:30:00 Ohhhh... So he would be your brother, not your friend or your partner, but he'd be that guy's brother. Yeah, those guys are brothers. I don't have a brother. You don't have a brother? No. You're an only child or do you have a sister? I have seven sisters.
Starting point is 00:30:15 For me, birth order is a big thing. What... God, we don't have time for this, Max. We gotta find cheering hands. I'm sorry, but Max has always said this to me. He's always asking me about birth orders of anyone I know. We gotta know. Sounds like you might be on the spectrum. That may be.
Starting point is 00:30:33 We've never discussed that. Oh, we don't have time to talk about that. No, we've only got 48 hours to find cherry gans. But what was the order of your birth? I'm last. You're last. You have seven older sisters. That's right. What was the same? They only wanted a boy. Your'm last. You're last. You have seven older sisters. That's right.
Starting point is 00:30:45 What was the- They only wanted a boy. Your sisters? My parents. Oh. So they just kept trying till they got it right. That's right. Wow. Good on them.
Starting point is 00:30:54 And how, do you still speak with them? With my parents, they're both dead. Oh, I'm so sorry. They died in a shootout. Oh no, in a shootout? Who were they shooting out? With my seven sisters. What?
Starting point is 00:31:07 This is what drove me into law enforcement. Who instigated this? That my sisters were criminals. My parents were cops. Oh wow, that's... Oh, it's such a clear line to you. It's terrible. So they were, what kind of criminals were they?
Starting point is 00:31:23 They had a gang. They had a gang, so like- It was an extortion racket. Oh, okay. So like a protection racket or- That's right. Okay, so they would go to businesses and say, real nice business you have here,
Starting point is 00:31:33 be ashamed if- Be ashamed if someone kicked in the windows, broke all the bricks out. And then they would do that. That's right. And then they'd go, it would be a shame if it happened again. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:31:43 And then they'd say, they'd go across the street to the other businesses and they'd say, look what happened over shame if it happened again. That's right. And then they'd say, they'd go across the street to the other businesses and they'd say, look what happened over there, it'd be a shame if that happened to you. And then they'd break all those windows. So now, I would think that your parents would maybe just arrest them, but a shootout occurred.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Yeah, they tried to keep it in the family. But there wasn't a, was there a- Was there any kind of effort to deescalate? Yeah. No, went straight to guns. Straight to guns. Did they announce who they were? I guess your sisters knew that they were their parents. They already knew, yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:11 But your parents were acting in their jobs as cops? My parents found out that they were criminals. Oh, okay. They were investigating this case. That's right. They were husband and wife partners. I'm from San Francisco Police Department. The only husband and wife partners that they've ever had. Oh, that's so sweet. Wow.
Starting point is 00:32:28 And then, but they died in such a terrible way. I think they changed the rule. It's kind of like saving private Ryan and we can't all have one family in the same unit. Cause what if something happens, they're like, we can't have two partners on the same case because you'd lose a whole generation. That's correct.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot like what Johnny Carson should have done with that motorcycle and that bus. Should have separated everybody, but you know. You know who drives the motorcycle? Who's that? Gans. Gans drives a motorcycle? Well, Gans' brother.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Oh, Gans. Wait, from now on you can just say Gans, by the way. All right. Because they're related. Okay, I know you're- Last time we were can just say Gans, by the way. All right. Because they're related. Okay, I know you're... Last time we were looking for Albert Gans, this time we're looking for Cherry Gans. Cherid or?
Starting point is 00:33:12 Cherry. Cherry Gans. His name's Richard, he goes by Cherry. It's a street name, he's a punk. Like the stone fruit, you're saying. Like the stone fruit, that's right. The smallest stone fruit. Would you call yourself Cherry if you were a criminal? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:25 I like the way it might be misleading if I was very intimidating and. It's short for Richard. Sure. A lot of things are short for Richard. It's got that C-H in the back. Rich. Dick. Yeah. Short. I wouldn't pick cherry. It's not even short. It's like the exact same amount of syllables.
Starting point is 00:33:44 So he. All right. He went by chard at some point, which is short for Richard. Sure. And then it became cherry? Became cherry. Possibly. On the street, anything goes. Well, we need to know these details
Starting point is 00:33:56 if we're gonna help you finding Gans. Well, you got a investment in the finding him because there's a hit out on you and me. What? Because we found his brother, Albert Gans, and now Cherry Gans and his partner, Hickok, are coming to kill us. There's a guy named Hickok as well?
Starting point is 00:34:10 That's right, they both got motorcycles. Oh, it's not a tandem motorcycle, is it? No, they're separate. They're separate, okay. Oh, this is terrible. I don't want a hit out on me. What about Max? I think Max is safe, but if he's in the vicinity
Starting point is 00:34:24 when Gans and Hickok find us, we're all dead. Okay, well, um, how do we find this guy? I mean... Well, they're looking for us. We gotta find them first before they find us, and they're gonna lead us to the Ice Man. Who's the Ice Man? He's the criminal that's at the head of everything. I've been chasing him for five years.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Why is he called the Ice Man? Because no one knows who he is. Oh, that doesn't answer my question. It obscures his identity. Oh. Criminals love to hide who they are. It's their very first thing to do. Well, sure.
Starting point is 00:34:54 That's I mean, but he could have called himself anything. Why did he pick that particular gnome to crime? I bet he thinks it's cool. It is kind of cool. But this feels so personal. It feels like that you guys put away Gans. It's why his brother's cool. It is kind of cool. But this feels so personal. It feels like that you guys put away Gans. It's why his brother's upset. How does that link into his boss?
Starting point is 00:35:11 He's got a personal vendetta against me. You always bring up Lincoln, by the way. How's this Lincoln to his boss? Lincoln, Nebraska. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead, yes. Now.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Inspector. Thank you very much. The inspector's gadget. Is he from San Francisco? He must be. He's one of the most highly decorated inspectors in the San Francisco Police Department. You mean decorated in that his jacket's filled with things. That's right. His buttons turn into helicopter wings and things like that. It's got spring shoes. I thought it was his body turning into this stuff. You're saying his buttons turn into this? These buttons are part of his body.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Whoa. This is like Mystique where like, you know, anyone she impersonates, it's just her flesh is impersonating clothes. I guess I thought that the overcoat was part of his body gadget. It's like, it wasn't like he doesn't have skin. No, it's his arms are metallic when he extends them.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Sure. Do his arms not extend metallically? So Gans is coming to find us. This man hired Gans to kill us both because we put away his brother and he's got a personal vendetta against us as well. And where's Hickok get involved in this? He's just as a punk that runs with Cherry Gans. Okay, so Hickok kind of takes orders from from Cherry.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Yes, that's right. And what's Hickok's first name? I don't know. You don't know Hickok's first name? No. Well what if we were to find this guy just by shouting out his first name and he responds? Then we've done our job. But we don't have that information now. Well, he'll respond to his last name. Hickok! Well, if he's on a motorcycle and he's a street punk, I feel like odds are.
Starting point is 00:36:57 That's right. So if we hear a motorcycle, then we should be on, we should try to find him first. We've got to find him before he finds us. And then we're going to follow him to find him first. We'll have to find him before he finds us, and then we're gonna follow him to the Iceman. I do feel like assuming Hickok doesn't also have another criminal brother who's not part of the conversation is the kind of assumption that got you into the situation in the first place, where you felt like Gans was tied up with a neat little bow and you're like, that's the end of the Gans situation. That's not what got me into this mess. What got me into this mess before is a bunch of dirty cops stole my gun. Oh, that's right.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Did you ever get your gun back? Yeah, I got my gun back. You did? I do, I've got my gun. So what happened originally, a bunch of dirty cops? Stole my gun. And they were in with GANs trying to steal money and the criminals took my gun
Starting point is 00:37:42 and they were using it to infer that I was part of the criminal conspiracy to steal that money. Okay but you got your gun back. I do have my gun back and I used it to kill a criminal who also had a gun but that gun disappeared and now I'm in trouble with internal affairs is up my ass because they think that it was not a righteous shoot but it was! There was a gun I promise. So is this why we have 48 hours? That's right! I've got a hearing in 48 hours! They're gonna send me to jail!
Starting point is 00:38:08 So there's no, like, this supposed it on us, there's not a time limit on it or anything like that? No, they'll kill us whenever they find us. Whenever they get to us. Is there any way to negotiate for another 48 hours? Give yourself a solid 96? This guy from Internal Affairs is up my ass. He is the worst.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Why do you keep saying he's up your ass? Because he's up my ass, Scott. What does that mean to you? It means he won't let me so far following behind me that he's inside my anal cavity. I mean, that's close. It's dark. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Too close for comfort. That's right. Starring Jim J. Bullock. Starring? Okay, maybe you quibble. He's not a top-liner to you, but to me, he was the reason to tune into that show. Yeah, now he was third-lead at best. I mean, Ted Knight, yeah. Ted Knight, all the daughters, Jim J. Bullock. But he had a special featuring Jim J Bullock credit. The cow puppet. Well, look, I don't know that I have time in the next 48 hours.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Max, what are you up to in the next 48 hours? I have a really busy 48 hours. I have a kid. You're not involved in this at all, Max. You're free to go. I feel a little invested. Although if Gans has seen us now, I mean, we're in a room full of windows. If they're looking at us now, they're free to go. I feel a little invested. Although if Gans has seen us now, I mean, we're in a room full of windows,
Starting point is 00:39:27 if they're looking at us now, they're gonna think you're involved. They may use you to get to us. I think you're part of it now. I don't trust you leaving, honestly, because they may tail you home. Well, now I've got a stake in the game, as they say. If we use you as bait, we may be able to flush out Gans.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Why aren't you bait? He wants you. Bait is when you just use the thing that that's all they want. You're the bait. That's how it works for cops. Maybe that's how it works for fish. You're going fishing and you have what a human's eat. That's right. Fish like worms. Let's feed this one a hot dog. No, let's feed it dirt. Let's put dirt on the hook because that's what worms eat.
Starting point is 00:40:07 I think sounds fine to me. Well, you wouldn't catch any fish that way. You and I, let's make a plan to go fishing. We'll find out. We'll take a bunch of clods of dirt. Honestly, if there's this head out on my life, I think you and I going out fishing in the middle of a huge lake, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:23 on a boat where there's no one around us, that's not a bad idea. I think that might be a good place to keep us safe. You, me, Max. What, no, I feel I should not be- You come with us, bring your family. Yeah. And we'll bring my best friend who is a police officer,
Starting point is 00:40:37 Keyhole, he'll come with us. Keyhole? He was the one that didn't find my gun. He didn't, okay, so Keyhole's there, this is getting big. But he's not your partner, he's just your best friend. He's my best friend, long time friend of the force. He's the one that said, hey Jack, your gun's not at the crime scene.
Starting point is 00:40:51 I feel like this is getting to be a lot of people. I was imagining like a rowboat or something. Maybe I should bring my super yacht. You got a super yacht? Yeah, of course I do. Well, let's use that for Christ's sake. Yeah, let's use the super yacht. Come on, Max.
Starting point is 00:41:05 That sounds great. I mean, I hate yachts under 75 feet long. Yeah. So this sounds incredible. I don't think like a lake will do for a super yacht. Maybe we should just go to the Caribbean or something like that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:18 I mean, if you only have 48 hours, you need to let your yacht captain know now where you wanna meet them. He needs to start cleaning it. And you'll fly there. Oh, you can't drive your own yacht? He's let your yacht captain know now where you want to meet them. He needs to start cleaning it. And you'll fly there. Oh, you can't drive your own yacht? He's got a yacht captain?
Starting point is 00:41:28 No, but he's got to start scrubbing the barnacles off the hull, you know, everything involved. I mean, yeah, the reason people have super yachts and it's why Scott's one of the good ones is it creates jobs. Yes, job creator. He's a maker. Fine. I tell, if that guy was my employee, I'd have him scrape the barnacles off as soon as we got back.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Yeah, but then barnacles accumulates until the next time you use the super yacht. I don't think so. And I haven't used the super yacht in four years at this point. What up? You don't want to be out on the boat during the pandemic? Kind of one of those things where I just bought it for like,
Starting point is 00:42:00 oh yeah, I'll use this all the time. It's like, you know, buying a timeshare down to Hawaii. Oh, I'm going to go there all the time. It's like, you know, buying a timeshare down in Hawaii. Oh, I'm going to go there all the time. Then you're like, God, can you imagine driving down to the docks and getting on that super yacht? I'd rather just stay here. No, I'm a police inspector for the San Francisco Police Department.
Starting point is 00:42:14 I don't know about super yachts and timeshares in Hawaii. I mean, it's a big port city. I feel like there's warps and things. Yeah, it's a big port city. I do know about super yachts and timeshares and Hawaii. Tell you what, I'll call the captain. I'll have him get out there to San Francisco, meet us there.
Starting point is 00:42:31 We'll take some motorcycles. Can we rent three motorcycles maybe? I, yeah, I suppose. Are you over 25? Do you think we can rent motorcycles? I think I just made it. So we'll rent three motorcycles. No, we're all to be on motorcycles.
Starting point is 00:42:45 The very thing that killed Johnny Carson. I know it's tempting fate, but it's the way that bus took that left because it had no brakes that killed Johnny Carson. Yeah, he was just doing his own thing, going 100 miles an hour on his motorcycle to Hugo's without a helmet. Back then, they didn't have him, although from what I read, he was wearing a helmet that had his face painted in profile on the side. Well, they had helmets.
Starting point is 00:43:11 They just didn't have to wear them legally. 2011. So I'll get my captain. He'll meet us in San Francisco. Your captain. My captain of my super yacht. My captain. No, no, call your captain. Call your captain. Call your best friend. No, he wants me to come back. Yeah, no, we'll go back.
Starting point is 00:43:28 You call your captain. He'll be on the super yacht with us. I'm gonna be back in San Francisco in 48 hours. That's all right. We'll tootle up the five. We'll get to... We gotta move with urgency, Scott. We'll get to San Francisco in probably 10 hours
Starting point is 00:43:40 stopping for, we gotta stop for lunch. There's a down tree on the PCH, so you might want to get off and maybe go inland a little bit, but there's still stuff to do, I feel like. We should add two hours for like 5 p.m. drinks. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:54 You know, like somewhere midway on a cruise. Carmel. Yeah, oh my God. Oh, that would be incredible. And then you call up whoever you want, your best friend, whoever. You call your family. I'm going to leave my family at home, quite honestly.
Starting point is 00:44:06 And we'll just, we'll meet up there in San Francisco and we'll go, I'll go on the super yacht and then we'll be away from all of this. And you won't have to worry about your problems with this guy who's up your asshole. The internal affairs guy. Yeah, you won't have to worry about it. You just say like, gone fishing, you know?
Starting point is 00:44:21 You put that funny little sign on your- He's gonna be in a little Coast Guard tugboat following us around so maybe he's up my super yachts ass with his the nose of his if he could be he would be so may you know I mean that's fine a little added protection but that means we're away from Gans we're away from a Hickok we gotta find Gans he's gonna lead us to the Iceman. Whoever that is. Have you ever thought about this? What? That it's my best friend, Kehoe? I doubt it. That's exactly what I was gonna bring up. What, my best friend Kehoe's a dirty cop? You think that's the case
Starting point is 00:44:58 and he hit my gun at the crime scene? Give me a break. I just, you know, is there any correlation between the Iceman and Key, what's his name? Keyhoe? Keyhoe. Keyhoe. Keyhoe. A-E-H-O-E. A-E-H-O-E. I'm sorry, but you're...
Starting point is 00:45:14 This is a San Francisco action. I just feel like he's your best friend. It's the last guy in the world we, any of us would ever expect would be dirty. That's right. Yeah. He's just going to come to us. Yeah, we've been on the force for exactly the same amount of time. We went to the Academy together. So maybe we don't call keyhole.
Starting point is 00:45:35 What's his name? Keyhole. Keyhole. That's right. I mean, it but it just does feel like the Iceman to stay hidden this long must have some sort of juice on the force to kind of. I mean, I could do it. If I wanted to be the Iceman, I could be it. Wait, are you the Iceman? No, I'm not the Iceman, but someone in my same position could be the Iceman. So sort of someone at your level and age in the police force. Who's hired on the exact same day.
Starting point is 00:46:01 That's right. You know, maybe you and Kehoe should team up to look at other people who graduated the same year you did at the Academy. Every time I ask him, he's busy. Well, that happened. I mean, he's your boss or just your best friend? He's my best friend. We're exactly the same rank.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Rank? He's inspector as well. Yeah, that's right. Same amount of stars or stripes or whatever it is? Both of them. We got the same amount of stars and the same amount of stripes. I love your uniform, by the way. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:46:24 And you'd say you're both the same side of the moral coin, that you both kind of navigated the line the exact same way and there was never a fork in the road. That's right. We both understand that cops gotta be cops. You gotta let cops color outside the line sometimes. That's what this guy from Eternal Affair doesn't understand. I don't know. Speaking of ice, I'm gonna need a bunch of ice on the boat
Starting point is 00:46:47 because the shrimp will go bad. To keep the shrimp cold. Yeah. Because you do unlimited shrimp on the boat. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, of course. My wife's not gonna wanna come in if there's some sort of cap on the shrimp. Oh yeah, I wanna go all the way up to San Francisco
Starting point is 00:47:00 for 12 shrimp. No, no, no, I mean, it might end up being 12 with what we can get in the local markets. I mean, it might end up being 12 with, you know, what we can get in the local markets. I mean, we run out of shrimp. Uh, look outside the boat. That's where they're from. We'll put some dirt on the hook. Well, when Gans kills one of you, there'll be more shrimp for the rest of us.
Starting point is 00:47:17 I honestly don't think Gans is going to kill me. I don't think Gans. I mean... And I'm not budgeting. Oh, you're not saying that Gans would get shrimp, that I would get shrimp, but then everyone else gets my shrimp immediately, you're not saying that Gans would get shrimp that I would get shrimp But then everyone else gets my shrimp Okay, what if they come on and kill everyone on the boat do they get the shrimp? I actually have a plan for this. That's perfect. We keep one of the shrimp as bait to get more shrimp
Starting point is 00:47:39 I think shrimp are the sort of creatures that eat their own So if we just have a shrimp that we know will be the key to more shrimp later, we're not going to be stressed about how many shrimp we're eating once the boat takes off. And that's kind of my fear for this next two days is do we have enough stuff on the boat? Not the two murderers that are coming after you. I, by the way, I only have a case and a half of tequila on the boat at this point. So 48 hours margaritas are going to be switched to beer at this point. So margaritas are gonna be...
Starting point is 00:48:07 I'll switch to beer at some point. Sure, yeah, I probably will too. Yeah. Or maybe wine. Yeah. What is the rhyme wine before margarita? Have wine all the time. Beer makes you quicker, liquor makes you thicker. That's right, okay. So I think we're good. Yeah, I think we're good.
Starting point is 00:48:24 I don't drink, but I do smoke. So make sure there's cigarettes for everybody. You want me to buy like a carton of cigarettes for you? Yeah. We're only going out for an hour. No, we're going out for 48. I smoke a pack at a time. You smoke 24 cigarettes at a time?
Starting point is 00:48:40 There's only 20 cigarettes in a pack. OK, I'm sorry. I'm not a smoker. That's crazy. I thought I thought it was beer rules with the 20 cigarettes in a pack. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm not a smoker. That's crazy. I thought it was beer rules with the... 20 cigarettes in a pack, 10 packs in a carton. I think that was actually a Teddy Roosevelt thing. Cigarettes used to kind of be in a crazy... Well, I mean, it's the whole hot dogs and hot dog bun thing.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Exactly. It's like, oh my God, they only have 20 cigarettes in a pack, but there's 24 of us trying to smoke them? Oh my God. There's 60 minutes in an hour, but only 20 in a pack. Why don't they? They gotta change everything to hundreds. I'm really looking forward to throwing my butts out in the water.
Starting point is 00:49:14 But I thought the guy from Internal Affairs was up there. I'll let him pick them up. That's exactly the type of nickel and dime shit that IA is going to get you on. Like you need to cross all your I's and dot all your T's perfectly right now. They're up here. Stop my T's. Why not?
Starting point is 00:49:32 What do you have to lose as a great man once said? Because if my paperwork's not in order, I'm gonna go to jail. And a cop like me won't survive in jail. You know what they do to inspectors in jail? What do they do? They keyhole them. Befriend them? They won't survive in jail. You know what they do to inspectors in jail? What do they do? They keyhole them. Ha ha ha.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Befriend them? No! Oh. Well, okay, we'll get all this going. Can you stick around for another segment? Because we have a security guard coming up. Oh great, maybe we can enlist him. But if you want to get on the horn and call up Avis or Alamo or whoever
Starting point is 00:50:02 and get those three motorcycles for us. You want me to get them from different places? Each motorcycle from a different rental company? Yes, I do! Is that so hard? Fine. There's a guy in my motorcycle club named Hickok that can actually get us bikes.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Can you call him? Yeah, yeah, it's cheaper and you don't need to give ID. So do you have your own cycle? I'd only need to get two then. But I'll get three for the security. No, no, I don't ride. We just, it's a social thing. But your friend Hickok has extra motorcycles? I have the jacket. the security. No, no, I don't ride. We just it's a social social thing. But your friend Hickok has
Starting point is 00:50:26 his own motorcycle. I have the jacket. I do all this stuff. Oh, yeah. Except ride. Call him up, tell him where we are and see if he can deliver. Oh, that's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Three motorcycles to us. Yeah. Just come right to the studio. This doesn't sound good to me. Why? That's Hickok. No, no, this is a different guy. He's a cool guy.
Starting point is 00:50:43 What's his first name? You don't know! That means it's him! Look, we'll ask him his first name when he gets here. Don't worry about calling the three different rental places. Our friend, Max's friend Hickok is gonna get to us. We do need to take a break though. When we come back, we have a security guard. You guys are gonna have a badge off.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Get your badge ready. Okay? I got it. Start pulling. Oh, that's your gun. I'm glad to have my gun. I'm proud to have it back. Stop pointing it at us. Point your badge at us if you need to point something at it.
Starting point is 00:51:14 That's your other gun. That's right. My spare. Why can't you? Okay. It works as good as a bad. All right. Look, we have to take a break. When we come back, we'll have more Max Silvestri,
Starting point is 00:51:24 more Inspector Jack Cates. We'll be right back with more Comedy Bang Bang after this. No, no, no, no. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah. Comedy Bang Bang, we are back. We have, of course, Mack Silvestri is here, comedian.
Starting point is 00:51:41 You ever going to make another Netflix special? I feel like I went out on top. Yeah. 15 minutes, I said all I had to say. Yeah. I'm not gonna just, what, say it again? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:51:53 For what, the money, the fame, being able to tour? Get over it. Yeah, no thank you. We also have Inspector Jack Kates is here. You were on the phone during the break. Who are you talking to? I was calling my friend Kehoe. Did you let Kehoe know the plan?
Starting point is 00:52:09 I let him know where I was. I let him know I was in Los Angeles. And I told him to keep the internal affairs guy busy. Okay, but did you tell him to meet us there at the, I guess the Bay? Where are we floating out of? Where's your super yacht? Wherever you tell him to go to.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Yeah, we'll go to the San Francisco Bay. I told him meet us at the, not the Golden Gate Bridge, but that silver one. Oh, okay, good. All right, so and then Hickok, you got a hold of him? You know, I reached out and his number was disconnected and sometimes that happens. I think it's-
Starting point is 00:52:41 Okay, well I think Keyhole is good enough. Yeah. Yeah, we'll meet him there, we'll be fine. Yeah, but you got ahold of your family, you let them know what's going on? No, their numbers were disconnected too, but I'm sure that's fine. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Well, we have to get to our next guest. He's a security guard. I would imagine he has a badge, although maybe they don't give badges to security guards. These are questions I'm gonna ask him just to his face. He's right now, he has his back to me. Go ahead and turn around sir Hi, hey, please welcome to the show big Mike. Thanks for having me Scott. Appreciate it. Appreciate being here my pleasure
Starting point is 00:53:13 This is maxil vestry. I'm you heard about his spots in Lincoln, Nebraska. Oh, yeah, five minutes, right? Yeah Yeah, nice. That's the big no. No, that's where it started for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And this is, of course, Inspector Jack Cates. We're not partners. Not at all. I'm not a police officer. So. Yeah. You you're a security guard. Just a security guard. Private security. Big man security. That's my company. And yeah, we contract out anything, rappers and movie stars, talk show hosts.
Starting point is 00:53:39 You contract out. What do you mean? What does that mean? Meaning you. Anybody can buy me for security. Oh, so you're anyone can hire you? Yeah, hire, buy, whatever. Contract out just implies maybe that you're like- A killer or something? That's not what it is.
Starting point is 00:53:54 No, no, I mean, it just kind of implies that like, you don't have employees who work for you. You get some guys to, maybe I don't exactly know what contracting is. Yeah, it's like a drop shipping. It's like, they contact me, I hire some guys or like a I don't exactly know what contracting is. It's like a drop shipping. It's like, you know, they contact me, I hire some guys who are like a cleaning company, something like that.
Starting point is 00:54:09 So people aren't always getting you? Not always, sometimes. How often do you guard over and make things secure? All the time, all of it, all the time. All the time, okay. All the time, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I contract people out for the physical stuff. Oh, what is it?
Starting point is 00:54:24 But I'm mostly guarding at the computer at home. What do you mean? I set it up. I'm a middle man. I'm a middle... Right. You're a contractor. I mean, I'm a security guy. Yeah, yeah, I'm a contractor. I do security. So why were you so confused when I asked about contracting? Because I felt caught. I felt caught. I felt caught. Most people, when they talk to a security guy, they want to talk to a big, tough guy who does the security.
Starting point is 00:54:47 I just sort of do it like a contracted out for other people. Yeah, why don't you do it? I mean, is it because- Scary. Scary stuff. You ever been shot? Yes. You have?
Starting point is 00:54:58 I have. That's too bad. I don't think I have, but if it happens this weekend, it happens this weekend it happens this weekend Yeah, you know what I mean? At least I'll go out. Well, I don't know belly full of shrimp. You're pop your cherry Nobody's nobody's been shot as long as I've been here. I don't know if you noticed that I was doing security here the whole time Thank you. So I wasn't inside. I was out front in the car. So you're you're good at what you do, of course Yeah, of course. How did you get involved in security guarding? Well, I was looking for a side gig, you know, and I
Starting point is 00:55:30 was just like... A sidekick or a side gig? Sidekick, side gig, anyone who'll hang out with me or pay me, either way, doesn't matter. I'm lonely and poor and so I found this job where you can basically start a fake company by starting a website and then people hit you up to do that thing. And then you call other people and pay them less than the people pay you. Right, yeah. Some people do it with cleaning companies.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Some people do it with lawn mowing. Some people do it with car washing. Some people do it in chill business. That much right now. Phoning it in, yeah, phoning it in. What was your main job? Well, I didn't have that either. So I was looking for any gig, any side gig, any tiny
Starting point is 00:56:06 gig. When you say side gig, it implies that you have a main gig. Well, I'll take either one I can find. If I find the side gig first, that becomes the main gig, and then I guess I'm looking for other main gigs. I guess it's like when you go to a restaurant and you're like, no, the entrees look good. Should we just split a bunch of apples? Like all sides.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Yeah, most of my work is like tapas. Yeah. They're all small. They're the triple dipper at Chili's. Yes, the triple dipper. That's right. You pick three. Yeah, most of my work is like tapas. Yeah. They're all small. Triple dipper and chilies. Yes, the triple dipper. You pick three. Yeah, you pick three. And that's a meal.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Absolutely. That's enough for me. But sometimes they get you where they're like, you know what, it's not enough for the table probably. You're gonna wanna order two of these. Then they're enormous. Huge appetizers. Let's talk about appetizers.
Starting point is 00:56:42 Yeah. I love them. They do their job. Anyone else? They get my appetite wedded. Me too. Yeah, what do you like? I can order you an appetizer right now if you want.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Sure. Do I have to, what do I do? I pay you and then- You pay me 30. I order you an appetizer. 30 what? Whatever denomination you have, Bitcoin hopefully. 30 Bitcoin?
Starting point is 00:57:03 30 Bitcoin gets you a Chili's Triple Dipper. Aren't those like $60,000 now or something? Yeah. Okay. So you know about Bitcoin. $30 will get you an appetizer from Chili's. I keep the bonus. You get the appetizer. Do you take any out of the appetizers? Yeah, I eat one piece of each of the thing. So you pay me 30, you get an appetizer that's worth 10, and there's a third of the appetizer left on the thing. Okay. So I'm only gonna get three halves of a Southwest egg roll.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Yeah, yeah, which would be perfect. That's like one and a half egg rolls. Yeah, but they're halves, I count them three halves. Thanks for doing math, Scott. You're welcome. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, I'm not sure. Fuck you. All right, so I'm not sure. You.
Starting point is 00:57:45 All right, so I'm gonna do a chicken crispers, a potato boat and- Do you have any shrimp? Yeah, we can do shrimp. Can we do some shrimp? Do they have unlimited shrimp? I got shrimp on the brain. Unlimited. Yeah, well, it's delivery, so it won't be unlimited.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Well, they could just go in and get it. They could keep- Am I gonna get it? No, I'm gonna hire a task rabbit to go get it. I thought you were the- No, you pay me 30 for the appetizer, 15 for the delivery. Then I hire a task rabbit who is going to book the delivery with a delivery guy for five. So I keep five, the task rabbit keeps five, and then the other guy keeps five.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Okay. The economics of this is classic security guard stuff. Come on. You're like the big boss man. Exactly. Okay. Come on. You're like the big boss man. Exactly. Okay, long Yes No, no, I'm not a mind man It might be do you yeah is anything that you work with ever put on ice?
Starting point is 00:58:36 I guess a soda or two. I guess a soda or two, but that's just a food delivery That's not I'm not a criminal mainly a food delivery guy or are you a security guard guy? Scott, what do you want from me? I do food. I do security. I do dog baths. I do gardening. I do Craigslist, any Craigslist.
Starting point is 00:58:57 It sounds like you're one of these people who just kind of like, do you do, like, are you a driver for Uber? Well, I talk to drivers from Uber and I have them get Ubers for people. Oh, okay. Yeah. You talk to them. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Get Ubers for people. Yes. Yeah. So I'm the guy you call if you want an Uber and then I get on my app, I look up an Uber driver, but then I call them and I said, let's do this off app. Yeah. So that we can all squeeze. Cancel the ride.
Starting point is 00:59:22 Exactly. Cancel the ride. We all get a little chunk of change. And if he's going by a Chili's, I'll also talk to someone else about the appetizer. So I got a Task Rabbit, an Uber driver, a Chili's to-go guy, and a dog all involved in this thing. What does the dog do?
Starting point is 00:59:38 Did I not mention the dog? Get in the bath. It gets bathed. Yeah, the dog gets bathed. Oh, okay. Oh, and I got a dog bather. And I got a dog bather. Yeah. But the dog is the most important part of this, not the bathed. Yeah, the dog gets bathed. Oh, and I got a dog bather. And I got a dog bather. But the dog is the most important part of this,
Starting point is 00:59:48 not the bather? For me, I love dogs. So it's the most important part. Any story with a dog, I go straight to dog. Okay, I'm trying to think of a story with a dog, I guess, Rin Tin Tin. Harry the Dirty Dog. I don't know that one.
Starting point is 01:00:01 How does that one go? It's a white dog with black spots, and he runs out and has a day out of town. He comes back so dirty. He's a black dog with white spots and their family doesn't recognize him anymore. Do they give him a bath? Do you know who's trying to nail a dirty dog? Internal affairs.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Uh-huh. Oh. Wait, they don't recognize him, but they still give him a bath? I'm sorry. I'm too mad about Max's joke. Why don't you just move on like Scott did? So yeah, anybody- He runs downstairs with a brush in his mouth.
Starting point is 01:00:30 I would not give a dog I didn't recognize a bath. Would you let him into your house and let him bring a brush to you? No, I would just be like, hey, you need to go wherever you're wanted. That's something you could hire me for. I could stand at your front door or hire a guy to stand at your front door, and no one would come in. No dogs, no pets, no bugs, no air.
Starting point is 01:00:48 Whatever you want. I mean, is it cheaper than just having like a burglar alarm? Of course. What's a burglar alarm cost? $200,000? $200 a year. At least. At most, actually.
Starting point is 01:01:00 Somewhere between there. I'll do it for $200,000. No, it's under the- It tops out at $200,000. Well, I'll do it for $199,000 plus. $200,000. $200,000. $200,000. $ most, actually. Somewhere between there. I'll do it for you. No, it's under the. It tops out at 200.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Well, I'll do it for 199 plus taxes. Taxes, when you say taxes, what are you talking about? Well, there's the federal tax, and then I have a Uber tax. I have an Uber tax. I don't drive, so I Uber everywhere. Why don't you drive? Because I can't.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Can't. Why do you have such a problem with everything I do? Are you not paying city and state taxes? Course not. Oh, do you not have a license? Course not. I don't have a license for any of this stuff. It's all beneath the radar. It's all back door. It's all small channel stuff. Uh huh. It's all shady. It's all shady. I mean, how'd you get me for the show today?
Starting point is 01:01:42 I mean, I assume that you asked to be on the show to promote your business. Yeah, I think, yes. Which I don't know that you're doing such an incredible job at. Well, because people keep calling it out like it's bad. It's a good business. You offered up a lot of the economics from the jump in a way that I feel like as a potential client,
Starting point is 01:01:57 that might be something, I don't know, I'm not a businessman. It was off-putting. Yeah, I would want it was obscure. Well, I apologize. What do you guys need? I'll do anything, I'll work for anything. You, I would want to obscure. Well, I apologize. What do you guys need? I'll do anything, I'll work for anything. You know what?
Starting point is 01:02:07 Never apologize. That's the other thing. I and I don't. Good. And I don't, and I don't regret it. Learn from Max here. Never apologize. The late great Jimmy Carson said, never apologize.
Starting point is 01:02:18 I think Jimmy Carter said that too. Is that a Jimmy Carter? Is that a joint quote? He said that today! Yep. Still kickin'. God, I hope this comes out relatively soon. Well, tell us about your latest enterprises then.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Well, my latest enterprise, I was doing security at a Best Buy. I had the whole place conferenced out, contracted out. Excuse me. Yeah, you gotta learn the terminology if you're gonna. Well, if you confuse your customer, they'll end up paying you way more money. That's a good point, okay.
Starting point is 01:02:48 So you had everything contracted out. I had everything contracted out, I had the door guy. I had the guy that stands next to the DVDs. So the door guy is the guy who like has a marker and then inexplicably just like looks at your receipt and just like. Yes, it's a guy standing next to that guy, making sure that nobody, because you don't trust that guy,
Starting point is 01:03:04 you don't respect that guy. Yeah. So if his friend show up and want to shoplift stuff, exactly what's to keep him from doing the weird mark on that person's receipt? Yes. So I got a toughy standing there and he's also taking orders for appetizers. A toughy? A toughy. A tough guy. A tough guy. A muscle man. Sure. This is the lingo that you use in your business. Yeah, a toughy. I'm familiar. Sneaky. This guy knows lingo that you use in your business. Yeah. A toughie, a sneaky. Yeah. This guy knows what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 01:03:26 A toughie also sounds like a toy a dog might sleep with, where you're like, oh, if he needs to have his toughie, he'll flip out. Hence the confusion of meds. Well, that's a stuffy, and I can get you one of those as well, if you want that. OK. Stuffies are put in the kids section at the Best Buy so that the kids have fun, linger a little bit longer, buy more DVDs. I love that when I go to a Best Buy and there's whole like coloring book section and it's almost like a daycare.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Yeah. Oh yeah. That was the best part of Best Buy. Absolutely. When they put in the kids section, so it got all loud and annoying the whole time you're there because kids are not fascinated with like television, video games or any kind of technology. They need inanimate. They need inanimate. They need soft. So kids like They love speaker wire. When are they going to start making DVD players that are soft? Why are they hard?
Starting point is 01:04:12 I don't know. It's like technology stopped advancing when everything got hard and angular. It's so crazy because it's like now if I drop my DVD player, guess what? It's so hard, it breaks. Totally. I would love for it to either just kind of roll there because it's so soft or maybe bounce back into my hands. Maybe the DVD keeps playing. Yes. Maybe you're having fun the whole, maybe you turn your DVD player into a
Starting point is 01:04:34 basketball. The thing is, is we have the technology with basketballs. We've proven that we can make things very, very orange and they can bounce right back into our hands. Pretty round. Yes. Very round. Yes. Very round.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Why can't DVDs and DVD players be the same? Talk to the Geek Squad. I can get you an appointment. Can you really? Yes. Okay. Is it going to be complicated? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:55 For me, yeah. But you just got to pay me 29.95, any currency you want. Okay. Any current, okay. What's the exchange? Pesos? Ah, shit. Maybe there's a currency that really... Yeah, exactly. Okay. I'll still do it because you got me, but yeah. Fuck shit. Okay. So go do it. Here's 29.95 pesos.
Starting point is 01:05:16 All right. I'm just going to call an Uber driver. Oh, an Uber driver. An Uber driver to call the Geek Squad. You know, the closest we ever got to a basketball DVD player is a football phone. We flew too close to the sun. If those do not bounce back into your hands. Hello, hello. By the way, 29.95, a Patros equals $1.55. Yeah, no, I need a Geek Squad appointment.
Starting point is 01:05:40 Seems about what the amount of work is doing right now. I need a Geek Squad appointment. He's on one of those football fights. What do you mean there's no geek squad appointments left today? When do you need it? I mean. What's it for?
Starting point is 01:05:55 What is any of the information? It's to ask why can't DVD players be soft and or bouncy? You know what I don't even mean. Why can't they make DVD players that if I throw one at my baby in anger? This guy to my right who's an inspector won't show up at my door trying to arrest me. Just give me a soft one That's fun. There's a good question. Let me secure the answer here. Ask the geek squad At actually, let me put you on hold hang up
Starting point is 01:06:20 Hang on. Sorry. Why do you have to put I have I have to call a lawn care professional. Oh, OK. I need you at the house on Pennsylvania. Sixteen hundred Pennsylvania tomorrow. Are drivers the most? Hello. And for you, I feel like of all these sort of freelance tradesmen. By the way, those football phones don't have hold. Well, then what am I doing here? I'm telling people to hold on.
Starting point is 01:06:46 I think you're taking a field goal every time. What am I lying? You think I'm lying to you? Did you send someone to the White House? Yes. Madras, that changes all the rules. Yes, the White House is cheap. They use me.
Starting point is 01:06:57 They don't have professional lawn guys. They use me. Did you know that? I didn't know it because it was the first time I'm meeting you. Okay. Why would I wonder about something about you before you ever showed up here? Seems like a good question.
Starting point is 01:07:11 How does the White House lawn get mowed? It's a big lawn. I don't care. Yeah, me either. It's a big lawn. I assume they have people for it. It's not my job. Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Well, interestingly enough, it is my job. And I hire a lawn care professional to go to the White House every once in a while. Who's this lawn care professional? Every once in a while? Every once in a while? Every once in a while, if they need extras. Who's this person? Are we talking like a 13 year old boy? Let me get his number.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Do you want to talk to him? You can just give me his number? You want to talk to him? Yeah. Could I just have his number? You have a big lawn. Yeah. Could I just have his number?
Starting point is 01:07:36 Yeah, sure. One, two, three. Eight, seven, six. You're giving me a fake number. No, just the first part sounds fake. It's real. That's just the first part sounds fake. I think real, it's just the first part sounds fake. I think that is actually a secret service area code.
Starting point is 01:07:47 I've heard that. One, two, three, eight, two, seven, nine. You said eight, two, six last time. That's what I meant, eight, two, six, nine, eight, five, one. Nine, eight, five, one? Yes. So I don't- And this is in the secret service?
Starting point is 01:07:59 Well, he just has a phone from it because he works out of the White House. Oh, sorry, sorry. I don't need you anymore to be the middleman now that I have this person's phone number. God damn, I gotta stop telling you about all the economics and all the workers. Here's your $1.55, by the way.
Starting point is 01:08:10 You need someone to negotiate on your behalf. You need another middle person to basically be making deals for you. That's genius. Do you guys know any agents? Do we know it? Do these words mean anything to you? Michael Ovitz.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I've been unrepped since Nebraska. I decided that I didn't need reps anymore because that spoke for itself. That's bold. Yeah. Yeah, no middle man. Yeah. Good for you.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Now I can speak directly with the Great American Comedy Festival anytime. Yeah, anytime they choose to reach out. I'm available. And I'm hoping they reach out fairly soon because we have to start making our June plans. Let me secure that for you. Let me get you back at the Great American. Do you have their number? I'm available. And I'm hoping they reach out fairly soon because we have to start making our June plans. Let me secure that for you.
Starting point is 01:08:46 Let me get you back at the Great American. Do you have their number? I have no direct contact info. I'm sure it's here on the website with them, but. I don't think I need it. Let me call someone in Omaha. Who's from Omaha? Who's that director?
Starting point is 01:09:00 From Omaha? Yeah. Well. Alexander Payne, let me call him. Oh, okay, yeah. I mean, he directed the movie, Nebraska. Yeah. Alexander Payne. Let me call him. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, he directed the movie Nebraska. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Is he from there? I think all of his movies take place out there. I'm pretty sure that Sideways took place up in your neck of the woods. I think it was Omaha, wasn't it? Central California, at least. It was Omaha wine? Norfolk wine country. Yeah, Norfolk wine country.
Starting point is 01:09:24 Beautiful wines out in Flatash. Did you know Norfolk is the birthplace of the square turn tractor? Did you know that? Did you know that Norfolk was home to Thorol Ravenscroft who's been on this show before, voice of Tony the Tiger. Wow.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Yeah, so. That's a fantastic city. Lot of great things that I've heard of. Incredible. 75 miles southwest of Sioux city, which is maybe where you flew in from. Maybe. Yeah. 75 miles going 75. That sounds like about an hour trip.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Yeah. 55 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. But then it was like getting out of the airport. The craziness that is the Sioux city airport. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you need an agent. Okay. Are you offering? I'm not offering, but what's Keough up to?
Starting point is 01:10:08 He's keeping, he's running interference between me and the guy from Internal Affairs. Okay, what, he's running interference? He's keeping him off my ass. Okay, does the guy from Internal Affairs know you're here right now? I hope not. Why are you on a podcast then?
Starting point is 01:10:24 I'm coming to save your ass, because Gans is coming to get the both of us. OK. Why were you on the podcast the last time? Because Albert Gans had a podcast about his time in prison and I needed a podcaster to get me close to him. That's right. I forgot all this. A nice clear premise. I love that. It's not a premise. It's this guy's life.
Starting point is 01:10:45 That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Big Mike? Why do they call you Big Mike? You're not a big guy. Shut up. You're blowing my business wide open. The whole thing is it's one website.
Starting point is 01:10:56 It sells an idea. One website does it all. This is like, what was that store, Pink Dot? Yeah. Pink Dot, just like Pink Dot. Just like, yeah, what do they do? They just have one website where you could just get everything. You could get groceries, you could get books, movies. I mean, this is starting out with books, maybe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Genius. And it's called big Mike's store. What do you think? You would have to like offer deep discounts on everything and you have to be so powerful that you would freeze everyone out of the market. I don't know. I'm trying to go to space. I don't think I want to do all this bullshit. It would be decades of taking a haircut to just kind of build the tipping point such that. You got to go bald all the way haircut, all the way bald.
Starting point is 01:11:35 I don't think I like that look. I don't want to get bald and buff and become a mega-yacht guy. But you'll be bald in space. That'd be nice. And that would make the rocket speed up because you'd be aerodynamic. If you take off your helmet, everyone goes bald in space. That'd be nice. And that would make the rocket speed up because you'd be aerodynamic. If you take off your helmet, everyone goes bald in space. Really?
Starting point is 01:11:50 It snaps right off. That's why the helmets are on everywhere. That's why nobody wants to take the helmet off. That's why there's never been a photograph of someone in space with their helmet on. All those people who are stuck up in space, are they gonna be bald when they get back? They're vain.
Starting point is 01:12:00 They're vain. They're vain. They didn't wanna come back. They didn't wanna come back. These stuck up motherfuckers. Don't want anyone to see how bald they are now. So I'm gonna stay in space. Yeah, why do you think you went up there
Starting point is 01:12:13 with the cowboy hat? He tried to make us forget he was bald with a new head style, not hairstyle, head style. New head style. Wow. Yeah. Well, this is an interesting business that you have. I appreciate that. I've really been struggling. Yeah, Well, this is an interesting business that you have. I appreciate that. I've really been struggling.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Yeah, why? Nobody wants to do it. It's too expensive. It's horrible. It's hard work for me. I'm not good at really any of the tasks. It's bigmic.com. Is that what people-
Starting point is 01:12:35 Bigmic.com. It's supposed to be clear. Let me look this up. Well, you also said Big Mike's store. Big Mike's store. Well, that'd be a fit if we expand. Big Mike's store. Bigmic.com, by'd be a fit if we expand. Big Mike store. Bigmike.com, by the way, redirects to a Ford website.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Good. Have you ever considered being- Sure, that's me, yeah. That's me. That's you? Send me some money. So you're using Ford branding on your website? If that's what's happening.
Starting point is 01:12:56 That's what Ford stands for. All right, enough of your- Fix or repair daily. Okay, are you trying to be a standup? I'm a Chevy guy. Okay. Standup Chevy guy, the line, two sides of the same. Classic San Francisco based Chevy guy.
Starting point is 01:13:12 That's right. Yeah. Do you know what a nice podcast studio needs? What's that? Big mics. Big mics. Hey, okay. Put that on the website.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Yeah. I'm just trying to help out here. I appreciate it. Why don't you just get into audio engineering? Cause honestly, I'm tired of doing it. Okay. What? Yeah. How much? You know, I'm tired of doing it. Okay, what, yeah, how much? You know, we can work out an equitable trade.
Starting point is 01:13:29 I mean, this is capitalism. Any currency you want. I'm not your agent. I'm not even your friend. You could be. I'm not a fan of your business. I do feel like it's almost never gonna work out for you when you offer people the choice of currency.
Starting point is 01:13:43 I'm gonna go with yen. I like that. That's exotic. Oh, if. I'm gonna go with yen. I like that, that's exotic. Oh, if you knew. I like that, I'm gonna have so many currencies. Everything costs millions of yen. I could pay anybody. I could pay anybody. Big Mike, I'd like to go into a grocery store,
Starting point is 01:13:56 take what I want and walk out with everything I'm having to pay for anything and I'll pay you in cougar hands. You got it. I'll stand out front and say, let him do it. You want, this sounds like something, like what the Iceman would say, wanting to go steal things that aren't yours.
Starting point is 01:14:11 I don't wanna steal things. I don't wanna be bothered going through a checkout line. But you wanna take whatever you want, oh, but you wanna pay for it. I want the store to know what I took. Guys, I'm sorry to say, but Amazon exists. They literally have grocery stores that do that, my man. That's why they bought, what was it?
Starting point is 01:14:29 Hello Fresh or whatever. They wanted to get into the grocery delivery game. This is really gonna fuck my business. You're telling me Amazon does all this stuff? Yeah, and worse yet, his son, he started Kissy's Grocery as well. What? Yeah, his son has Kissy's Groceries.
Starting point is 01:14:45 He's on the show a lot. Albert Rowe. He doesn't go by Bezos. But yeah. So he's building his own legacy. He has his own legacy with a grocery store. I don't think it's a change. Just one store where he kisses every item in the store before you buy it.
Starting point is 01:14:58 So that's pretty sweet. So, you know, I mean, you're competing with these two titans of the industry. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess I'll get out of here. Thanks for having me. Oh, stick around. Yeah. Yeah. How much longer are you guys doing this? Oh, usually another hour.
Starting point is 01:15:14 Another. Yeah, I got an hour. Yeah. I got it. You know what? You have to go. We should wrap it up. Oh, shit. OK. All right. Hey, thanks for being so nice to me. Oh, no, no. I want you to stay, though, until because you have the opportunity to plug your business here. Oh, alright. Hey, thanks for being so nice to me. I appreciate it. Oh, no, no. I want you to stay though until because you have the opportunity to plug your business here. Oh, perfect. Because we're coming up towards the end of the show, certainly, but we have time for
Starting point is 01:15:31 one final feature. And of course, that is a little something called Plugs. What kind of thing's going on? What TV show are you on? What kind of podcast do you do? What is the thing that's new with you? It's a flug, it's a flug, it's a flug, it's a flug, it's a flug. That was, thank you so much, that was Plug Jinx by Creep City. Thank you so much to Creep City.
Starting point is 01:16:19 If you have a plugs theme, head over to, of course, cbbworld.com slash plugs. And you know, you can get your stuff on the air here in Creep City. You're famous for a week, so enjoy that while you can. Just a mere seven days. All right, guys, what are we plugging here? Max, obviously, what else is on the horizon for a talent like you?
Starting point is 01:16:47 Next summer, Great American Comedy Festival, obviously there's been no proffer, any kind of hard or soft commitment from the team there, but I just feel like there's kind of an energy that you and I, both of us might be there. So I do feel like sign up for- Yes, sign up, get your, at least get your airfare. Exactly, buy your flights and hotel.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Hotel, and you'll want a full week in Norfolk to experience Combine Rides and big mural of John Carson and the home of Tony, the Tiger Boyz. Yeah, of course. All this stuff. So anyway, just book it. Thorol Ravenscroft. Thorol Ravenscroft. Yeah, former guest on Comedy Bang Bang.
Starting point is 01:17:27 But no, that's really just next summer. Until then you're just coasting. Yeah, I'd love people to check out stuff I'd done way in the past if they wanna do that, but they shouldn't trouble themselves. I'm just happy to come on every 18 months and talk about five minutes. Well now, every 100 episodes.
Starting point is 01:17:44 Yeah, I'll see you in 1080? No, you'll be on 900 and... 900. 984. 984, that'll be easier. Yeah, that'll be in two years time. Fantastic. Yeah, wonderful.
Starting point is 01:17:57 And let's see, Inspector Cates, what would you like to plug? I'd like to plug a podcast myself that's called Those Who Ant. What is this? It's called Those Who Ant. What is this? It's a podcast for ants. For ants to listen to? For, yeah, you know, your mom's sister. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Those Who Ant.
Starting point is 01:18:17 It helps you see the world through ant-colored glasses. All right, sure. Where can people hear this? It's on the internet. Okay, all right, great. That's all we need to know. Big Mike, what do you want to plug? This board website you have?
Starting point is 01:18:32 Yeah, what'd you say? BigMike.com. BigMike.com. You can get lots of great podcasts there called Yes Also, an interview podcast, or the Greatest Conversation Ever. All kinds of good stuff over there. Or one of my independent contractors, Chosenberg,
Starting point is 01:18:46 he's doing a lot of good stuff. Appetizer delivery and... And is there a different website that people can get this kind of stuff? There's a big one, biggrandewebsite.com is a good one. Okay. I mean, if you're just like wasting time on the internet,
Starting point is 01:19:01 why not go over there? Yeah, check out some of those things. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, let's see, what do I want to plug? Well, obviously we have our East Coast states coming up next week. We go out to Montreal on October 16th.
Starting point is 01:19:18 We go to Troy, New York on October 17th, New Haven, Connecticut, October 18th. Then we are in Tarrytown, New York on October 17th, New Haven, Connecticut, October 18th. Then we are in Tarrytown, New York on October 20th, and then Red Bank, New Jersey on October 21st. Those are our almost last shows for a couple of years. We will have news next week about our last show. So make sure to listen next week about that. But if you did come out to see the tour,
Starting point is 01:19:44 or even if you didn't, and you noticed sometimes there was a lack of merch there, we sometimes had trouble shipping the merch to certain cities, but now it's all available online. If you're in the US, go visit podswag.com slash collections slash comedy, hyphen bang, bang, bang. I've got to be a better way to go to this. Podswag.com, anyway, we'll have it comedy bang bang.
Starting point is 01:20:12 We have some hoodies available in the U S if you're in the UK, we couldn't even get most of the merch over there. Visit Kmerch.shop slash pages slash comedy, hyphen bang, hyphen bang.phen bang oh my god give me a better website please I can mention but there we have t-shirts we have hoodies we have hats with local shipping rates available for a discount for a very limited time we only made a certain amount of this merch and it was very popular and we couldn't get it to certain cities, so we're making it available.
Starting point is 01:20:46 Also, this is really exciting. We're releasing a vinyl LP today. This has been in the works for a number of years. Manchester Orchestra, the wonderful band who's been on this show many, many times, they wanted to release a vinyl EP of all of the songs that they played on the show, every session they did on all of their various episodes over the years. Visit oh my god this is okay newberrycomics.com I'm just going to say that because it's newberrycomics.com
Starting point is 01:21:18 slash products slash comedy underscore bang underscore underscore bang, underscore the, underscore Manchester, underscore orchestra, underscore sessions, underscore exclusive, underscore LP, underscore color. So I'm just gonna say newberrycomics.com. There's nine songs in the LP, including some of the songs that they performed live in Atlanta when we did that tour episode with them. Part of the proceeds are gonna be donated to the Child Mind Institute,
Starting point is 01:21:43 an independent nonprofit dedicated to transforming the lives of children struggling with mental health and learning disorders. This is really exciting for us. We love those guys in Manchester Orchestra and this is a good record, so go order that. All right, I think that's everything I wanna plug. Let's close up the old plug bag.
Starting point is 01:22:45 everything I want to plug, bag, open open the plug bag please. Oh, okay. That was Never Know the Plug Bag by Evaser. Thanks so much to them. And guys, I wanna thank you so much. Mac, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. And we'll be seeing you in the summer, I'm sure. I can't wait, it's always a pleasure. We gotta get our June schedules cleared.
Starting point is 01:22:58 We got a lot of Clambakes, a lot going on in June every year. So we gotta make sure that we clear it. So please reach out to us. What was this Comedy Festival called? The Great American Comedy Festival. The Great American Comedy Festival over at greatamericancomedyfestival.com. No underscores there or hyphens in that.
Starting point is 01:23:16 Pretty easy to get to. And Big Mike, always a pleasure to talk to you. Always a pleasure, thanks. This was really great. Oh, just one time. Yeah. And Jack. I don't know if you heard,
Starting point is 01:23:30 they used the cover of the Plug Bag song to drive their motorcycles up. We're gonna have to shoot our way out of here. Oh no, these are just your buddy, Hickok and his friends. Hickok. Yeah, he's probably bringing the motorcycles we need. That's Hickok.
Starting point is 01:23:41 Look right next to him, that's Gans. I've told my captain to just clear off all the barnacles. He's mid-barnacle clearing at this fleet. You both have dirty captains, to be honest. Yeah, honestly. Me? That's my best friend! We'll see you next time, bye.

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