Crime in Sports - #1 - Did Tracy Morgan Shoot a Pregnant Woman? - The Saga of Rae Carruth

Episode Date: February 9, 2016

This week, we take a look at former Carolina Panthers' wide receiver, number 1 draft pick, and convicted pregnant woman murder conspirator, Rae Carruth!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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A first listen is waiting for you when you start your free trial at audible.ca. The Queen of the Courtroom is back. How did I know that? I have crystal ball in my head. New cases. Leave her alone. So, uh... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy.

It's streaming. You can say anything. It's an all-new season. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Hello and welcome to the Crime in Sports podcast. Thank you for joining us, our inaugural episode. I am James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host Jimmy Wissman. Thank you for introducing yourself here. We are going to be covering some criminal athletes or athlete criminals, however you want to say it. We're going to be covering these people, especially the dumbest ones.

We're going to really try to find the ones that really, really threw it all away. Because that's the most fun, I think, that we're going to have with this. This is going to be offensive to both the perpetrators and the victims, more than likely. So if you have a problem with that, probably not the best thing for you. But if not, if you want to have some fun, let's talk about some idiots. And let's do it with our first episode today, focusing on Ray Carruth. We are the youngest. This is our first.

We're the pelicans of podcasts. This is number one. We're the New Orleans pelicans today. I dig it. Number one draft pick today is Ray Carruth. Ray Carruth. Number one. Actually, the number one draft pick for the Carolina Panthers in 1997

the number 27 pick overall in their first pick in the first round good choice great choice he led all rookie receivers that year with 4 touchdowns and 44 receptions I believe

he was doing well he's kind of a mediocre player anyway. $3.7 million contract, though. Had his life on track, life on target. I mean, he was probably like a 66 in Madden. You know what I mean? He was okay. He had good speed, but his route running's a little poor.

For an expansion team, that's a great receiver. It's not bad. We never knew how it was going to break out for old Ray Carruth, but he made sure of that outcome. As history showed, yes. He figured it out. He absolutely did. Let's start out with Ray Carruth. He grew up, I guess, in Sacramento.

Went to college at Colorado. See you buffs. That's right. And then he was drafted, as we said, by the Carolina Panthers. Played for a couple years. Things going well. And then things got a little weird when he impregnated a real estate agent yeah uh sharika adams uh was a real estate agent and i mean nobody deserves to be shot from a moving vehicle but i don't believe i've met a real estate agent that at some point i wouldn't like to shoot from a moving truck. Didn't deserve at least a couple chasing them.

Whether they hit. That's the thing. But a couple at least to scare them. Just to keep them on their toes. Because they're just absorbing money

and they do nothing. And they're cheery. Snakey. Yeah. Anybody who smiles that much. Yes. You've got a problem.

You're hiding something. And basically they want to make you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the smell of cookies. Go fuck yourself. Okay, right away. So, anyway,

we've painted a wonderful picture of her. I'm sure she was a wonderful girl, first of all. Fantastic. Anyway, yeah, Ray Carruth meets her. They date a little bit. Ray is banging lots of girls,

first of all. Lots. Already has a baby. NFL, early 20s. He knocked a girl up while he was in college. His home girlfriend from Sacramento wanted nothing to do with that child. Didn't even see the kid

paying $5,500 a month. Didn't see him a drop. A judge actually ordered him to be a better father. That's amazing to me. Should have known he was a scumbag. Unbelievable. Still, even after a judge's order, didn't see that kid. Never saw him. One goddamn stitch in his life.

Didn't give a shit about that kid. Good pick, Sharika. Good pick. Good pick, Panthers. Nice job. Absolutely. First overall. Absolutely.

First round draft pick. First Ballot Hall of Fame scumbag. He's a piece of shit. So here he goes. Well, you know, we haven't proven him guilty yet. Not yet. The courts have. All he's guilty of at this point is being a piece of shit. That's it. Mediocre.

So anyway, he dates Sharika Adams a bit while he's dating lots and lots of girls on the side, a couple of which actually testified at his trial as to their doings. Can you imagine being them? you gotta come in and be like yeah i'm a whore yeah i fucked that guy well he was fucking her and her and her and her

oh what a horrible life that must be and you've got to tell strangers how much of a just a slut you are and you don't even care no they, no. They just, they kept going anyway. Well, one of them actually was like saying she was his serious girlfriend, too. Right. Which was the part she was the most, the other ones were like, yeah, you know, we dated a little on the side, we had some fun. This girl was like, oh no, we were a thing. Like, they were together. That's my man.

She had no clue. Meanwhile, this one's, anyway. So, he impregnates Sharika Adams, and the ball got rolling for her from there. He did not want this baby. Meanwhile, they dated for like four weeks. Mm-hmm. And then she got pregnant.

Yeah. And he was professing his love for her, saying he's going to marry her and this and that while he's banging other girls. Wow. And she decided she's gonna keep this baby whether he wants to be around or not but i think about it though this guy i mean i understand the position he doesn't really like her that much or whatever and things happen

but at least just pay the child support and move on um there's no need to involve gunman my dad left us when I was born. To my knowledge, no one ever threatened to kill my mother. And I'm here today alive and well. Well, that's good. It's possible to do is what I'm saying. You're doing better than a chancellor. You don't necessarily have to kill a bitch and her kid, which he tried to do. We'll get to that.

We'll get to that. That little bastard was resilient. He is a tough little son of a bitch. Tough little shit. Unbelievable. So, yeah. So, they go out for a while. He impregnates her.

He's not real into it. No. Not real into the whole kid thing. The father thing. The whole father thing. Yeah, he's trying to kind of... But this is what I don't understand. Okay?

He let eight months go by. She was pregnant for eight months. Now, he knew he didn't want this kid, and apparently was willing to go to any length to stop it. But yet, what kind of procrastinator? This is why I know he'd never be a great football player. He'd wait to watch

Phil. He was never going to be a Hall of Famer for this reason, right here. He didn't have it. You can't wait for a play to develop when you're a receiver. You have to develop the play, right? he didn't have it you can't wait for play to develop when you're when you're a receiver you have to develop the play right you have to go you have to run the route you have to add when they say hot you got to go letting uh letting eight months go by is letting the route run you and a positive pregnancy test is hot you have to go you gotta figure it out right move you have to decide your options which apparently are marry this girl child support payments those are two separate options

or shoot her or hire tracy morgan hire a tracy morgan character to shoot her which we'll also get to uh a little later on james's fucking best thing he ever said. He is a Tracy Morgan character. He is. Well, I got, this is so, you want to get into

the meat of this so quickly. So, let's get right into it. On the night in question here, Ray Carruth takes an eight month

pregnant Sharika Adams to the movies. Apparently on some sort of, you know, let's go out on a date type of thing.

I wish I would have checked that's the part I skipped what movie did they check? yes I want to know I want to know what's the last movie she saw was it the bone collector? was it something like that?

it was something like that it was a late movie it was an odd thing it was an awful movie about death this is terrible that I don't have this it was not good

it was not good but yeah they end up the The Bone Collector. It was The Bone Collector. A late showing of The Bone Collector. They saw a terrible movie. That poor girl. And apparently rushed her out, made her drive her own car that night, which was an odd thing.

That's a dead giveaway that that man ain't, this night is not above board. You meet me at the theater. A little squirrely. Yeah. You're eight months pregnant, you meet me there. Yeah. Right there, he's a little odd. So they go to the theater. A little squirrely. Yeah. You're eight months pregnant, and you meet me there. Yeah. It's right there. He's a little odd.

So they go to the theater. They see this movie. They leave. Apparently, he's driving in front of her based on a 911 call. Lead the way. When another car pulls up beside her in her BMW,

and every real estate agent has a little BMW. They have that. It's a 323 or a little M3, one of those. Four doors so she can fit a couple of her stupid baby in a taxi. A $35,000 pretend-to-be-rich car. So anyway, she's driving this asshole mobile down the street in North Carolina. She's shot several times.

They shoot at her on loads. Apparently Ray Carruth, according to this, Sharique Adams had enough in her to make a 911 call. She stumbled her bloody self to a house. And this is also amazing. Goes up to a residence. Guy wouldn't open the door. Was too scared of a bloody pregnant woman. What a scumbag. Called the cops from inside, but he was like, hold on, honey. I got you through the glass. You're terrifying me. I saw the bone collector. I know what happens here. I'll throw a towel down from the second floor. Can you catch? Towel off before I let you in. I just had the carpet done. Not good. I got wood floors. You're a real estate agent. You know how much

those cost. Yes. So she makes this 911 call. She says apparently a car started shooting at her. Ray Carruth, her boyfriend or however she said it, was in front of the car and blocked her in so she couldn't blocked her in i believe if you look at the at the transcript i believe she said my baby's daddy my baby's daddy yes which a better description could not be so great yeah that is much more my baby's daddy stopped in front of me it's ray caruth he plays for the panthers okay but another thing this we will get into lenny dykstra we'll get into mark chimera so any accents of any sort will be there'll be southern accents of rednecks everybody is an asshole and we're gonna go after all of them so i don't hear any of that

shit either go fuck yourselves i don't care this is this is we're having fun and you're joining us with this anyway so she says all this on the on the break and also she's writing notes there's a whole thing of her notes at the hospital drawings she's sketching drawings of like a guy in a carolina helmet catching a football and then shooting her like it's insane she's just drawing all sorts of shit his victory dance is six gun drawing and yeah that would have been a good one. So they have a C-section, emergency C-section, and they yank this kid who's just

a disaster at this point. He survived 70 minutes without oxygen. That is amazing. And he is not even full term. He's four weeks shy of full term. Which babies are born then anyway? That's fine. He's not even full term. He's still in the oven. And the kid can survive 70 minutes without oxygen take that david blaine you piece

of shit amazing this kid's amazing imagine if he if he was healthy with a swimmer he would incredible he would have been a little if his legs worked god damn it michael phelps you got a man that can give you a run for your money. So at this point, little Chancellor's born, and he is a pile of pudding. It is not good. He has palsy. He's got cerebral palsy, all sorts of, you name it, he's got brain damage on it. It is just, he's a mess at this point, this poor kid. It's terrible.

It's awful. And now he's old enough. What is that? It was in 99. Or was it 99? Yeah, it was 99. 99. So now we're looking at 2016.

The kid is 17 years old. 16, maybe almost 17 years old. And if you Google a quick picture of Ray Carruth's son, there is a picture of him now with a mustache wearing a Carolina Panthers hat, which fucking blows my mind. I would never root for that team. I couldn't give a fuck if the owner of the Panthers himself shows up to my house with season tickets and jerseys and Cam Newton comes over to wash my feet.

I fucking hate all of you. One of your players tried to kill me, man. And we're going to talk about how is he wearing that hat? I don't care that he lives in that state, was born there. You were born there. Not to mention all that, plus you know they're obviously bad at draft picks at this point, so the future of the team isn't good either, even though as we speak they're getting ready to play the NFC Championship game. That is why we choose this case.

That also helps. Yeah, we're going to. They have a very good chance of being in the NFC Championship game. That is why we choose this case. That also helps. Yeah, we're gonna... They have a very good chance of being in the Super Bowl after tomorrow. Without Ray Carew. Yeah, without...

Thank Christ without Ray Carew who I don't think they're gonna win tomorrow. But... So Ray Carew goes to the hospital. Right.

He doesn't ask about the kid. Says nothing. Just hangs out. Just sits down in the chair. Just hangs out. Just sits down in the chair. Just hangs out. I assume went to the machine, got himself some peanut M&Ms.

He's got some pretzels, some Hanovers. He was sitting in a chair. Put two chairs together, put his feet up. You know what I mean? Grabbed the magazine. He was really going at it, I think. He was doing the whole hospital experience, besides caring about the injured victim. Besides giving a shit.

So, yeah, Ray Carruth does that. Some time goes by. They want to question shit. So, yeah, Ray Carruth does that. Some time goes by, they want to question him. He doesn't want to talk. He's not interested in talking to you guys. Unless you guys got some peanut M&Ms and two hospital chairs, I got nothing to say to you.

Some time goes by, then she dies. Once the death happens, all of a sudden, Ray Carruth's in a trunk. Yeah. Well, first they arrest him. Yeah. He posts $3 million bail. Yeah Yeah. Well, first they arrest him. Yeah.

He posts $3 million bail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They arrest him. They let him out, and they tell him if she dies, you are to turn yourself in. Makes sense. Fair enough. To which he agrees, and then fucking disappears. Yeah, he hung around.

Everything was fine until she died. Right. And no more Ray Carruth. Where's Ray? So Ray Carruth uh talked one of his girlfriends into or friends who was a girl i don't know right into driving him in her trunk right out of town in her toyota camry oh how the mighty have fallen they find him in parker's crossroads tennessee which sounds like a civil war battle site. In a best Western parking lot. They found him and like Robert E. Lee's femur bone.

Like 40. So they got that going on. Yeah. And in the trunk with him, I like too, because this also shows a level of maturity. Because I'm going to ask you, what's in your escape trunk? What are you taking with you? That's a good question. And I'll let you think about that for a second.

You can see what happened to his escape trunk, because I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed it as well. $3,900. My favorite part. That part is pretty key. Get some cash. It's not very much, though. Probably had it in his house.

Yeah. For a guy that just posted 3 mil and you know a chick's dead, how far are you going to get on 30? But then again, he's saying it's not as well spent. This seems like a really quick thing. This seems like... Very hasty. This is not a well-planned out...

This is not the Underground Railroad. It's about as well-planned as the killing of Shurika. This is a complete just asshole driving away. $3,900. The better part you're about to get to, I believe.

Go. Well, extra clothes. That makes sense. Grab a couple of things. Candy bars. This is a source of nutrition back there. This is what he decided. He didn't even have a granola bar they didn't even have the the apple not even have those those

brainwashing snickers commercials that peanuts are healthy for you he's in there though um a cell phone and of course there it is bottles of urine which is the one because the black nfl howard hughes i dig it so much but the thing that gets me about this is he's committed at this point because western tennessee from charlotte that's like he went up on the 40 they went up that's a fucking jaunt like that's all the way across tennessee so he was in the trunk for like at least two peas at least at least a couple of pisses back there although i didn't hear much to drink but that was probably the bottle yeah then he pissed in the bottle he's expecting but

he was fucking committed he didn't get out at the hotel he didn't want anyone to see him sneak into a room this guy was into it his mother turns him in because she doesn't want him to get hurt she wants him to come back home she doesn't want him getting hurt because she's there after him. Play the system. You can win, Ray. Play the system. Right. Look at OJ. You're so rich. You've got $3,900 and a Minute Maid you're peeing into.

And a Minute Maid. And by the way, we're not doing OJ. No. Never. No. That's our mantra. That's the line we don't cross. There's movies.

Enough. Fucking OJ. We get it with OJ. At this point, Ray ray peruth is a 90 year old man who has outlived his reverse mortgage and has just given up and he's peeing into jugs in the trunk of a car this is not a great plan no and the other thing too at what point he's already in western tennessee at what point was he going to get out of the trunk was he just going to live in the trunk is that your house they're going to mexico anyway so he's arrested uh and then the madness of the trial begins uh he pleads not guilty and then the trial the trial was picked

i watched the trial him up so fast oh yeah and they all just started singing except for ray everybody else is talking and the Panthers waved him immediately. Right away. Immediately. Done. Trunk urine, waved. Not even just the Panthers. The whole NFL indefinitely suspended.

Goodbye, Ray. That's domestic violence to another level. This guy makes Greg Hardy look like Hugh Grant in a 90s Julia Roberts movie. Just a nice, gentle, bumbling Englishman. That's Greg Hardy compared a great man. 90s Julia Roberts movie. Like, just a nice, gentle, bumbling Englishman. That's Greg Hardy compared to this guy. So, anyway. So, the trial begins. He gets David Rudolph, which I don't know if anybody out there, if you guys have seen The Staircase.

Such a great documentary. Fantastic. If you like making a murderer and serial and all this type of shit, go see The Staircase. It's great. Also, see Thin Blue Line, which was made by Errol Morris, who's one of the best documentarians ever in the 80s. It's like 20 years ahead of its time, at least. It's fucking amazing.

Anyway, back to this. David Rudolph is the defense attorney in The Staircase, as well as for Ray Carruth. And he is a, I'm from New York, I'll say, he's a real New new yorkie type guy uh clearly a jew again not good in the south i lived in north carolina for a month and people always say it's like they're racist again they don't like blacks there would be a you could find a klansman and a black panther standing next to each other saying how they hate a fucking guy from New York.

Especially if he's like Italian or Jewish or anything like that that has like a food that smells weird to them. If he has anywhere near a Brooklyn accent, they can give a fuck about him. So this guy's over here trying to plead this Ray Carruth's case. Things are not going well from the start. The whole thing is a disaster. And then the highlight of Van Brett Watkins. The co-conspirator

and the actual gunman. He is a Tracy Morgan character come to life and shooting a pregnant woman. And I can't even tell if the man's he's like so he's damn near gay. He's so flamboyant.

It's amazing. And he's so quick to call people bitch. He's just so goddamn fun. I love the man dearly. He tells, he apparently told a jailer when Sharique Adams was in critical condition or whatever, he told the jailer, I hope the bitch dies. And so David Rudolph brought this up at trial to which uh van brett walkins responded i was talking about your client your client's a bitch he's a bitch i'm talking about ray caru i'm talking about ray caru he does a

long u yeah ray caru is the bitch yeah like he's talking to a woman that he's trying to convince no i went with Johnny. No, we were watching a game. No, I was at Johnny's house. We were watching a game. I ain't see Brandon. I ain't see Brandon. We're kind of. That's what it is.

Once again, wait until we get to Southern white people. We're going to just rip them apart. Ruin them. And dumb shits like Mark Jamara. Anyway, so we'll get to that. And then there's some jailer lady, Shirley, I forget her last name. Damn it, she was a sergeant with the jail. And she testified in the trial that Ray Carruth told, or that, not Ray, that Van Brett Watkins told her that Ray owed him money and that he went after Ray because he wouldn't finance some drug deal.

And she testified to this. Yes. Also that Van Brett Watkins said that when he was trying to pull up to them that she flipped off Van Brett Watkins, which obviously... He was out looking for Ray, ran across this girl, and was like, I'm going to take out my frustrations with Ray on her. Meanwhile, then something came out at trial that this sergeant was found to have been in Ray Carruth's cell alone, inappropriately, because Ray's got this charm. He's quite the charmer. He's quite the charmer. He's quite the charmer, apparently. And she was just singing the praises of Ray and talking down Mr. Watkins because she got that sweet, caruth dick.

That is the rumor. In jail, too. Right, in jail. That's jailed dick. Good for him. That's the thing. Right there. Oh, my goodness.

And she wasn't even, she looked like my grandmother. She was just like a beehive hairdo and a bit overweight. Right there. Oh, my goodness. And she wasn't even, she looked like my grandmother. She was like just like a beehive hairdo and a bit overweight. Not a pretty lady. Not good. But, I mean, he's in jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The pickings are slim.

Honestly, yeah. The pickings are slim. You take what you can get. And, honestly, to pull that off, I'm kind of, that's pretty impressive. Prison tindery got her to swipe right. I'm very impressed. He had his skills. Let's just say that. But, like I said, about a 66, that's pretty impressive. Prison tindery got her to swipe right. I'm very impressed. He had his skills. Let's just say that. But like I said, about a 66 in Madden. Yeah. I would say lower in life, obviously. For sure.

With the shooting and all. But in terms of with the ladies. With the ladies. 95. Bad young guy. 95. Athletic. Money. NFL. People like him. Yeah. He can figure it out. He's a charming son of a bitch. But he's hanging out with Van Brett Watkins this like a freelance

nightclub promoter or some horse shit they call them and he's doing odd jobs around Ray's house he's like Ray's pool guy right

stealing copper from somewhere else and replacing Ray's Ray doesn't even let him sleep in the garage like in the house he sleeps out in the garage you know

he's just like shit like that so Ray gets him Ray approaches him to kill this woman allegedly not allegedly it's proven

yeah it's a fact this is great this is great we never have to say allegedly on this ever yeah I mean a couple may

right but in terms of convictions this is fucking great this is all so he tells Ray or Ray tells him that he's got this girl and he wants her dead

or he wants her to have a miscar girl and he wants her dead or he wants her to have a miscarriage and he tells her, if you're serious, I need a deposit. And Ray, this cheap fuck, goes to the ATM

and gives him $300. That's your deposit? That'll do it. That's your deposit on life? Jesus. You can't get a used car with a deposit like that. I think I should put down

a little more than that. You know what I mean? If he gave Sharika that money for earnest money towards a house, she would tell him to get fucked. And this guy's going to try to kill somebody with it? That's the other thing. The grand total was

$6,000. That's amazing. That is way less than I would think it would cost to kill a pregnant woman. I feel like you can adopt a baby cheaper than that. Yeah, but I mean, think about it. I wouldn't think you could have a homeless man killed for $6,000. You know? I would think you'd go to the first, like, a 10, like a round number. Like, like, I wouldn't think you could have a homeless man killed for $6,000, you know? I would think you'd go to the first, like, a 10, like a round number.

Like, oh, what do you want? That guy killed? He's been shitting on your doorstep? Eh, 10 grand. I would think. This is a fucking pregnant woman. Who's done nothing wrong that we've found. And people, it's not like she's, like, on the street.

Like, her face is on those pictures of people's lawns. People know who the fuck this lady is. If you want to see more of this house, call me. Yeah, people have her card. She's got a shitty little BMW. Things are going okay. She's banging a football player. She's figuring it out.

For a 24-year-old girl, you know, she's doing all right. She's 24 years old, this poor kid. So anyway, the whole thing goes on. Now, I have to say, watching the trial, the whole thing goes on. Now, I have to say, watching the trial, there was a compelling case to, not to,

you knew Ray Carruth was involved in some way, shape, or form, but the fact that Van Brett Watkins was as insane as he was, it seemed like he could get up there and in one breath be like, the sky's blue. And then you'd be like, did you just say the sky's blue? He'd be like, no, it's purple.

He'd be like, what the hell just happened? Because he was that kind of insane person. My favorite part was at the beginning of the trial interviews. After it's all said and done, he's in prison. They're asking him how he got into this mess, and he's like, I don't know. I met Ray in the best time of my life. The man was living in a Best Western in North Carolina himself.

He's living in a hotel room. Odd jobs around the man's house. That's where they caught him. And that's the best time of his life. Things are going well for him. He's doing odd jobs for a mediocre NFL player. God, that's not good, man. That's not good.

Get it together. Watching the trial, you'd hear the whole thing. And the funny thing about the trial, too, is you'd hear the life of an nfl player because they'd be like well you had off this day and practice and they'd all go over and play madden with each other which i thought was insane too they were all playing as like you know themselves and there's just an ego thing there with that whole insanity but so this trial there was doubts yeah because of van brett walkins because you'd go well this guy seems insane he seems like the type of guy that if you pissed him off he'd try to shoot your pregnant girlfriend like looking at him you wouldn't want that guy to like want money from you you'd be like

he's gonna do some crazy shit right like he is fucking nuts and van is on trial or van's at the trial of of ray saying that he was threatened by Ray, a 5'9 wide receiver in the NFL. Yeah. Van, nobody's threatening this guy, I don't think. No. Van's like 6'6". And he's been in jail.

He's been in jail. He's been out for violence against women. He was not a meek fella. No, not by any stretch. And that man's threatened me he kept saying come on man uh no it's awesome but i mean between that and it was just it just felt like there was might be something so in the end i understood the verdict right because the verdict uh they were seeking the death penalty in this case which was a big deal first nfl player up for

it ever yeah even oj wasn't right so yeah they were they were seeking the death penalty in this case which was a big deal first nfl player up for it ever yeah even oj was right yeah they were they were seeking the death penalty here so that was the first degree murder charge and the jury actually acquits on the first degree charge because split yeah because which i think is insane because if you are sure he did it right it seems like we're not a hundred percent positive so we're not going to kill this guy but we'll convict him on the other counts, which were conspiracy to commit murder, or is it shooting into an occupied vehicle, using an instrument to destroy an unborn child. Van's essentially the missing glove for OJ. Yes.

That one is the reason he didn't get convicted of, well, there's a lot, whatever. But Van's essentially the too small of gloves. You've got to quit on the first degree because that man's too fucking psychotic and just so much of a circus involved in this trial, and they just split it. He was entertaining. I can't imagine that. Van Brett was entertaining. They were questioning his mental state because it was obvious.

They're like, are you on medication? He's like, yeah, I'm on medication. He was just yelling at them. They're like, wow, all right. They didn't know what to say to that. They're like, okay, well, he's on medication, I guess. But, I mean, this whole thing, it shakes out. So they end up convicting Ray Carruth.

They sentence him to no less than 16 years, eight months, or something like that. At least 16 years, 8 months. Co-conspirators. To 24, right? To 24. 16 to 24? Yeah, yeah, which is, you know. That's pretty light.

That's light. Six grand. Life is cheap. It really is. Six grand, 18 years. In North Carolina, you can get a lot for nothing. Yeah, it's the same as the real estate. You get houses for cheap there.

You can get murders. Everything is very cheap there. If you're looking for value. Yeah, that's where it's at apparently north carolina is where you go so this guy so now uh ray caruth is uh now a convicted man uh van brett walkins is getting at least 40 years in prison so he's gone for a while the driver and the other guy that was in the car there this guy michael eugene kennedy was the driver uh he got 11 years eight months and um yeah the other guy uh what was his name stanley abraham stanley boss abraham boss boss abraham who was just like sitting in the backseat hanging out like a reverse nickname yeah yeah he's just

the lowly guy that was just with with kennedy that night and he's like you want to go with me man he's like yeah i'll come along all right boss man? And he's like, yeah, I'll come along. All right, boss, let's roll. Yeah, and that was it. Hang out in the back seat. He only got a year and a half, though. Good for him. Which I thought that was pretty light. I mean, if you're in the car.

Yeah, I mean. But you're going to see some shit. That's something. So anyway, yeah, Ray Carruth, he's sentenced to prison. He goes to prison. His mother still is on the loose, just professing his innocence. Still talking about Ray didn't do it. his mother still is on the loose just professing his innocence little Chancellor is being raised by Sondra Adams

Sharika's mom this lady is I don't know whether to call her a saint or a crazy person because she's out there saying how she's forgiven Ray a long time ago.

Right. And she just hopes that he. She even forgave Watkins. Oh, he's fine. Everybody's forgiven. We got closure. What? They want, she, her dream, her ultimate thing that she wants to see is Ray reunited with his son.

Chancellor. So they can hug it out. Have some blow down time. Like like he tried that he tried to as as the charge states he tried to destroy him not just kill him used to destroy him and he and she wants him to meet him and be a part of his life how do you walk up to a child who is twisted like a pretzel right and say it's because of you yeah and say hey things would have went well for you you're from good athletic stock you would have probably had like a good like high college a free scholarship

you'd be banging girls all the time but um i didn't want to pay a couple grand a month so instead i turned you into a pile of jello pudding. Sorry about that. What do you say? Do you walk up and say, how you been? Before you reply, let me wipe that slobber off your chin. What do you say to a man that you just ruined everything in his life? How do you walk up and be like, I know I missed the last 18 years of your life. How you been, Chancellor?

Nice hat. Yeah. years of your life. How you been, Chancellor? Nice hat. Yeah. I dig your hat. I used to wear a helmet with that same logo. Now you're going to have a helmet with that same logo. Because I'm a headbutt you, you son of a bitch. And looking at it the other way, in 2018 when he gets out, Chancellor will be 18 years old, which is the cutoff

for child support. Had he just paid the child support, by the time he sees him, he would have been done paying and could have maybe had a decent little eight-year run in the NFL, maybe had a couple million bucks in the bank to go spend some time with Chancellor and maybe have a conversation with him because now that's not happening. Not to mention the first fucking kid from Sacramento. Right. What about this kid?

Where's that guy? Yeah, this fucking kid has nothing. That kid's near 30 by now. What's his name? Ray Lando. Poor little Ray Lando. Running around with Mr. Carruth's name. Sitting there and, yeah, my dad's a, yeah, he's the guy who was an NFL player and killed.

Yeah, never mind. You may have heard of my dad. Yeah. So that's, he's got that still going on. He's got to deal with that. So now he's in prison. He's in North Carolina at the current, right this moment, he's in the Tyrell work farm, which sounds like a great place to be.

That sounds miserable. That is, that sounds. That sounds like Candyland from Django. That sounds horrific. Not exactly Canton, Ohio Football Hall of Fame at that point. Most NFL players that are retired, they're in Scottsdale. They're in Tampa down there. They like Florida.

Maybe they're in North Carolina where you can buy lots of real estate cheap. I guarantee you they're nowhere that is called a work farm. That's the one thing. Named after the whitest cowboy name ever of Tyrell. Tyrell Work Farm. Not good.

I wish it had an apostrophe S to where it was just Tyrell's Work Farm. Just a man named Tyrell. So good. Be like, I got prisoners on my farm.

Just a sweaty man with hairy shoulders and back screaming about clean that up. He's actually gotten in trouble a couple of times. I love that. Not in like 10 years.

In 2002, he had something with bartering, trading, loaning money. That's all he could get out of the actual charge. And then also provoking assault. So I don't know, provoking assault. Asking for it is apparently a crime in prison. The charge is on the same day. Maybe he was bartering and trading and loaning money to provoke an assault. assault so i don't know provoking us so you're asking for it apparently a crime in prison charges on the same day maybe he was bartering and trading and loaning money to provoke an assault i think so he was trying to right up his alley i think he was trying to like yeah i'll lend you money i have

sounds about like the same kind of thing that he's in prison for i'll trade you money if you commit an assault in january of 2003 he got in trouble for unauthorized phone use which whatever i mean that that's it's prison I can see that happening and then in August of 2004 he got in trouble for fighting

which I thought is hilarious because why not I mean what the fuck this is the first I bet it wasn't a pregnant woman

I'm positive of that so that's good anyway so he's making progress is what we're getting at first time it's male on male fighting it's male on male violence which is a little better it's about time right it's male-on-male fighting. It's male-on-male violence, which is a little better. It's about time, Ray.

It's about time. Good job, Ray. Let's give it up. Ray Carew. Congratulations, Ray. You got it, man. I like your moves. Finally.

So he hasn't been in trouble since then. He's actually projected release date is October 22, 2018, right in time for Halloween. Perfect. So he can put on a little costume and take a little Ray Lando. Yeah. What's scarier than that? Go as Cam Newton, sir.

I've cleaned up my image. Go as Steve Smith, a successful Carolina receiver. The one that you wish you could have been. Also around 5'9", wasn't he? And also wore number 89, which was Ray Carruth's number. Did he really? Yes, he took Ray Carruth's number. That is really? Yes, he took Ray Carruth's number. That is amazing.

Which is so odd for a small wide receiver. I don't like small wide receivers wearing numbers like that. It looks too big. It's like a tight end number or something like that. Small wide receiver, I want to see more than like 83. 81. 81. Right.

Yeah, something looks fast. You know what I mean? None of this 89 bullshit. 89 is almost, that's a tight end number. Stop it. That's amazing. So let's not get into it. Yeah, he's great.

But anyway, so yeah. So Ray Carruth, yeah, that's it tight end number. Steve Smith's amazing, so let's not get into it. Yeah, he's great. But anyway, so yeah. So Ray Carruth, yeah, that's it. He's scheduled for release then. Van Brett Watkins, I assume he'll die in prison. Fingers crossed. He was like 40 when he got sentenced to at least 40 years. Didn't seem like a healthy guy. Did a lot of drugs, was overweight.

Very overweight. He probably gets in fights. I'm imagining, yeah. Someone's going to stab him. Right. I'm imagining if he doesn't get stabbed, his sentence is going to get prolonged as well for just psychotic behavior.

Not just bad behavior. Psychotic. Prediction. Diabetes will take his foot, yet he'll still be an asshole and start fights and someone will beat him to death. Yeah. With said foot.

With his severed foot. So I think that's what's going to happen to him. Chancellor, he is going to spend his life. Right now he's in a care facility, I think, part of the time, and with Sandra Adams, the other part. Sandra has created, and well, she joined MOMO, which is Mothers of Murdered Offspring. Yes.

And she became, she sat on the board, I believe. She became the president for a while. The woman has, going back to before, she may be, she may very well be a saint. The woman is amazing. It's possible.

She has a heart of gold. We're leaning away from crazy on her? Maybe. You know, to step up and raise a child with palsy cannot be easy.

And she's pretty like, just cool about it. She's very... To forgive both of these scumbags and raise that child, and then any interview you ever see of her, it's just glowing reviews

of how great of a kid Chancellor is, which I'm sure he is. He doesn't know any better. But he's... No, he doesn't. He has no ability to not be a great kid. And God love him.

I pray that he always stays that way because the poor kid has already been dealt the worst hand that you can get. Your father didn't want you, and I'm a very familiar Chancellor. My father didn't want me either. But you fought through it, man, and you got to where you're at.

So good for Chancellor, anyway. I feel like he could probably play for, fought through it, man, and you got to where you're at. So good for Chancellor, anyway. Chancellor's doing fine. I feel like he could probably play for, I don't know, maybe Jacksonville. They could use him. That's probably. They could use a player, too. He's probably still. Go to San Francisco.

Give it a shot, Chancellor. Yeah, Blake Bortles needs someone to throw to down there. It's a mess over there. Yeah, so Ray Carruth, anyway, wrapping him up. Yeah, he'll be out in a couple years, so look for that out there, guys. Depending on what area of the country you're in, in the South, ladies. If you're hanging out in North Carolina, possibly. When that man buys you a drink at the bar and he has a bald head, light skin, very charming, just ask.

Are you Ray Caruth? Are you Ray Caruth? Yeah. How do you feel about kids? Just ask that. How do you feel about kids? Do you that. How do you feel about kids? Do you have any kids? How many kids you got?

Did you try to murder any of them at any point? Is that a thing? If I get pregnant, how much danger am I in? What are we talking here? I'm not real pushy. I'll say that right off the bat. I'm not real pushy. I love how we have turned this into kind of just

not necessarily even promoting anybody or taking any sides. We will swing at anybody. Oh, yeah. And I think we're going to continue that on down the road. We're scumbags. That's what it is. At least we're not Ray Carruth. We're not Ray Carruth.

But, excuse me, we're going to be having a different one every week. We're going to be releasing one every Tuesday. And it'll be someone new every week. We're going to put it out on Twitter. We'll tweet out who we're going to do, their mugshot, the whole deal. You can get a little back story on them and follow along. You can follow us on Twitter at at Crime and Sports. That's very simple.

You can follow Jimmy Wissman at Wissman Sucks on Twitter. Wisman is w-h-i-s-m-a-n and sucks is sucks and you can follow me at jimmy p is funny and uh yeah that's about it i love it it's beautiful thank you so much for joining us for our first show we'll be back next week with another horrible asshole i can't wait i'm really looking forward to that scumbag and we will name that at a later date for our first show. We'll be back next week with another horrible asshole to tell you about. I'm really looking forward to that scumbag and we will name that at a later date.

Yeah, we're going to, like I said, we'll tweet it out right away. I'm looking at possibly maybe Lenny Dykstra or maybe stick with the violence for a couple more and then we'll go into

more financial things. But he's one of the better idiots. Skip the white collar crime for a little bit. He's just an idiot. We have to get a white guy in at some point is what I'm going for.

And Shumara wasn't actually convicted even though that fucking guy was diddling that babysitter like nobody's business. If you go in a hot tub with a 16-year-old fucking kid,

you're out of your mind. I'm sorry. Let me show you the jets. Especially in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, in the fucking winter, if you take your clothes off, you're fucking somebody.

I don't care. It's such a pain in the ass there's 14 layers you're shit faced there's buttons involved you're fucking them so anyway with that thank you very much

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