Crime in Sports - #10 - At Least Kill Who You're Mad At - The Senselessness of Mark "Gator" Rogowski

Episode Date: April 12, 2016

This week, we take to the half pipe to discuss a skateboarding pioneer, who was a success by age 14, punching cops by age 18, a sell out by age 20, completely washed up by age 23, and committing a revenge murder by age 25!!Grab your board, and ollie up a curb while listening to all there is to know about Mark "Gator" Rogowski!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. As always. And thank you so much for joining us again. I hope you've been enjoying it so far. Last week we had the fast one, Eddie Johnson. That was so fun.

Fast Eddie Johnson was a trip. A hundred arrests. There it is. That was like going down a beautiful Eddie Johnson was a trip. A hundred arrests. There it is. That was like going down a beautiful road we went down. Just a hundred arrests. Just with little arrests. Sightseeing. Yeah, little arrests along the way.

You see the crosses on the side of the road on the way to Las Vegas in the desert. It's like that, but with crimes. Like, oh, look at that, an assault. Oh, look, he sold crack. Oh, look at this. That's where he stole a VCR. He punched a cup. Hey, he stole a VCR. So that a cut. Hey, he stole a VCR.

So that was a good time. There's the pawn shop. This week we have another insane egomaniac scumbag. A complete garbage human being, we could call him, I guess. First of all, before we get into that, I do want to say, please, please, please, if you could, rate and review on iTunes for us. That would be awesome. That just helps us out tremendously with rankings and all that stuff. And so please, thank you.

We really appreciate that. And we appreciate all the ones we've gotten so far. But enough of that. Let's move on. Tonight's subject, moving outside of the big three sports this week, going into skateboarding. Yes. And if you don't know anything about skateboarding, don't worry.

Doesn't matter. This story is crazy and super interesting and awesome. It's not a lot of stats. Yeah, not a lot of stats, but some. And I used to be a skater around the time of all this when I was a kid. So I know some stuff. I can guide us through skating. And I'll help you guys.

We'll get through it together, guys. All right. Fantastic. But he's a nutcase, and he did some horrible shit that we'll get into later. So don't worry about it. Let's start out. Mark Gator Rogowski. Okay, Gator, as he's known as a skater.

He's born in 1966, August 10th, 1966. Born in Brooklyn. Yeah. Parents get divorced when he's very young. Him and his mom moved to Escondido, California when he's three. Wow. And that's a thing that's going to come up constantly in his life is that his dad was never in his life. Weird.

He hates his dad and he's pissed off about it. He gets to live in two great places in his life though. Escondido is beautiful. Brooklyn is Brooklyn. He gets to live in the two hustle and bustle areas of two of the biggest markets in America. It's not like Brooklyn is now. It was probably cooler then. It was probably like a doo-wop video, like a movie with, like, the burning garbage cans.

It's a doo-wop. Picture Rocky, but cleaner. You know what I mean? Rocky won, but cleaner, because it was the 60s. And less black people, probably, in that particular neighborhood. There's probably some acapella groups on the corner, though. Some acapella groups going on. But anyway, they move out there.

He's pissed off. He said it was his father figure was his brother Matt always. His brother Matt was his older brother. It was really awesome. Got him into sports. He played Little League. He was really good. He's a real athletic guy.

Age seven starts skateboarding. Wow. Which back then this is, you know, early, early 70s. You know, it's like 73. Yeah. So, I mean, this is super the cusp of it. I mean, he's like one of the first guys that becomes a major skateboarder. He's like hucking the skates off of roller skates and bolting them to a 2x4.

This is when the wheels were like rocks would sink into them because they were so soft. And it was there. They were making their own skateboards. It was really, really in its infancy at this point yeah really in its infancy yeah um he's so good by 12 he becomes a member of like a skate team like these skate parks and skate shops would have formed their own teams yeah i don't know if you guys have ever seen like dog town and z boys or something like that like that would help a lot the documentary not the bullshit stupid movie the stacy peralta documentary uh it's that sort of thing and also too we're gonna get a lot of

info i'll say this up front from the documentary on this uh stoke the rise and fall of gator great which is a really really interesting documentary not all of this gum but you get a good chunk of stuff if you guys are interested in seeing a little more and like seeing this guy in interviews and highlights and all that you can check that documentary out. It's on YouTube, actually. Let's see here. Yeah, so he's a pro at age 14. I mean, that's awesome.

By 1980, he's a pro. He's doing competitions. He goes up to Vancouver in 82, wins his first big deal, a Canadian amateur skateboarding championships in Vancouver. You know, he's 16 years old. I think I was a pro at it. 14 was beaten off. Yeah, I had nothing going on for me at 14. At 14, I was bad at everything, I think.

I was pretty bad. I was mediocre at NBA Jam, but I could beat this dick like crazy. Yeah, I was really NHL 93 hockey. I was on Sega. I was amazing at that. Masturbating, probably, also reaching expert level, but not skateboarding. I had been a skateboarder too, but I was not anywhere near as good as this guy. Sure.

I'm 6'4". I just don't have the same. The center of gravity is a little too high. Tony Hawk's tall too, but I'm not Tony Hawk. He looks tall. He's skinny at least. He's probably 6'1". He's lanky.

He's a lanky guy. Yeah, he's a lanky guy. He's probably six foot he's like one yeah he's like you he's built like you and i think he looks like compared to the other skaters he looks tall because most of these guys are like five eight they're little dudes tiny like a christian asai and all these guys are all real tiny guys all these 80s guys we'll get into this um 84 he starts getting endorsements wow now this is when shit gets going for him he's the gator at this point he hooks up with vision now anybody's streetwear there you go now you weren't even a skater yeah but you know that that logo that vision streetwear logo it was all blurry yeah they'd have the blur by the 90s early 90s it was because they were vision was a mess we'll get into that but if he uh this is

when vision first started now and this was a guy, what was his name? Peter, I can't remember. I have it written here somewhere, but we'll get into that. Brad Dorfman was the president of Vision. And he picked him out. He was their first skater. No kidding. Their very first endorsed skater.

He's a child. He's a child. He's a child. Well, at this point, he's 18. Still a child. 17, I think, at the time. But that's a goddamn child. Yeah. And he also gets endorsements from Gullwing Trucks, which were super light trucks, I remember, back in the day. They were kind of fragile, but light. All right. All you skaters will know exactly what I'm talking about. But Vision Boards, and he was their first, you know, sponsored guy.

It's so funny because they made him the face of Vision. I mean, he was the guy they picked out where they were like, this is our guy. We're running with him. All the ads had him. There's a video called Skater Visions in 1984 that Vision put out. And now these skate videos became a huge deal. When you were a kid back then, these skate videos were so much fun to watch. They were just like

Watching these dudes pull tricks and shit in the pool. Pull tricks and there's punk music playing and it was just fun. Very rebel. Yeah, they do stupid vignettes

and this guy was the most rebel of the rebel. That's what we have to tell you guys. Gator was like the rock star of skateboarding. He was a dick. Wore bandanas and shit.

He was just like this kind of like the punk rock kind of like yeah, He was a dick. Wore bandanas and shit. He was just like this, kind of like the punk rock, kind of like, yeah, he was the real, he was always giving the camera the finger. Oh, he's a douchebag. But this is 1984, 85. I mean, this was,

he was like, hey, fuck you. And he was wearing like a beret. And no shirt. And no shirt. Yeah, he's looking like that. They started Vision Streetwear, which is their clothing line that you guys all saw and anybody who will remember also the vision shoes the skating shoes

that look like converse all-stars except in place of the chuck taylor logo there'd be vision street wear and they had a little tiny rubber ollie pad on them i don't know yeah 50 bucks and they're like velour they were like yeah different and then they had different ones but vision shoes got shitty later on airwalks were much better we'll get into that anyway so uh they they looked at all his stuff and mark gator would basically go to thrift shops and buy like surf trunks for a dollar fifty and like whatever and so they said they would take all the pictures of him and there was no continuity of style so vision was like let's make him a line of clothes continuity of style boom we'll make him a star so this is all feeding into his ego okay this is this is huge okay also thrasher magazine

which is the big skateboarding magazine everybody still wears those hoodies yeah and when i was a kid that would be i had a bunch i had skating thrasher magazine pages ripped out yeah up on my wall of gator on your wall probably not gator by the time because i was into the street but we'll get into that it's uh he's his boards were the biggest seller i mean by 87 he was making 15 to 20 grand a month just in wow just in sales no no just decks decks which is just the board not the trucks yeah no wheels it's just not even grip tape yeah piece of wood wow he was making that and they because he was making like two dollars per board and they were killing it he had the tops his board had like this weird like black and white kind of like

kaleidoscope looking thing like a zebra kind of yeah but it was like kaleidoscope in a circle kind of trippy looking like if you were on mushrooms you'd be like whoa that's pretty fucking cool which is probably what he was on he was doing it um oh i'm looking at it right now no shit yeah it's like a it's like a swirl with black and white stripes yeah very kaleidoscope he kept that for like years and that's an iconic board i mean like i remember when i was a kid people having that board and so pretty bizarre he's doing all this he's doing tons of competitions he's really getting into it uh we get to 1986 this is kind of one of his uh this is his first kind of real like where people started to go is he out of his fucking mind but in the culture this was

considered cool okay it's 1986 he's he's skateboarding with shit that he's that he made in a fucking dried out pool. No, he's not out of his mind at all. No, that's the other thing too. And his style, Gator, is aggressive. He's ballsy. He invents tricks. I mean, he's a ballsy son of a bitch.

He's definitely out of his fucking mind. This is before the shit was cool and just normal kids did it. Yeah. So he had to be out of your mind to do this shit. Yeah, you were going to get hurt. Yeah. And it was scary, but he was into that. So it's an event called Mount Trashmore.

It's a huge skating event. There's just mobs of kids there. Mobs. And they're throwing stickers out, and there's riots over a sticker, like a t-shirt. These kids are crazy. They're all like punk rock kids. Vision Streetwear patch for your jean jacket. They're just like, ah, they're going going crazy jumping on each other uh gator is late

for the event he drives up to the gate doesn't have his credentials on him right wristbands and shit but he's like up in like five minutes to skate it's his turn so he's like look i gotta get in there and on my stuff they're like look we don't know who the hell you are he's like i'm gator i gotta go and they're like no we can't let you buy and he just barrels through wow drives his car through uh they follow him yeah he thinks these are security guards allegedly from what he said uh these are police officers not security guards they stop him when he pulls up to where he was going uh you know they confront him uh they're messing around they tell him you know you're you can't do this blah blah he socks one

of the cops oh my god punches one of the cops the kids go batshit because their skater just punched a cop which in the mid-80s you know he was like that's no you don't get any more rebellious action because the cops are always messing with skaters yeah as a kid you were like these fucking leave us alone and by the the dried out pools were not just like what we have now where there's like a skate park on every corner that's sponsored by the city yeah these were in abandoned houses they would go or yeah yeah it's breaking and entering it's it's trespassing it's not you're not supposed to be there no this was this is a lot of times yeah right a lot of times they would just be like a neighborhood ramp and all the kids would go there and it was like people were allowed to go these are punk kids they're punks yeah the whole thing we're doing

is is so i mean That's the idea. He does that. They arrest him, stuff him in the police car. Fucking kids go crazy because they're having a lot of fun. Because there's a bunch of punks. They want to watch him skate, too. Like, you're taking our favorite guy away. You're taking the star away from why we came here. Yeah, and it's like.

And we hate cops anyway. It's not good, yeah. So he punches him. It's amazing. So, I mean, and these other, there's a bunch of other skaters.aters i got this out of this documentary there's a whole bunch of other skaters that they just recall all sorts of times he punched cops like there's this time in north carolina boy i don't know what the hell he was doing there he punched like this is a normal thing for gator gator rugowski is a lunatic and it's much like eddie johnson like you can tell by the way a guy

plays the way he lives they said it's like that you can tell by the way a guy plays the way he lives, they said. It's like that. You can tell by the way a guy skates recklessly. Whereas, like, Tony Hawk is like Iceman in Top Gun. Like, he's, you know what I mean? Like, he is fucking Maverick, man. This guy's all over the place. He's just a loose, he's a loose cannon. Way less gay, though. Yeah, this guy is definitely not, not gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's completely fine. But he, just not him. Okay. So the next month too like thrasher ran a picture of him being arrested so people were like he was like a bigger cult hero yeah they're like you've got arrested guys yeah kids were like did you see gator punch you got like every skater it's like the johnny cash of skateboarding yeah yeah he's going i mean

we get to like 1987 um gator is quoted as saying and this will come up later because he apparently needed to skate we'll just say that he called it quote let's see oh we should have been in the wrong words yeah yeah let's do it

fire up the music okay Gator said he called skating a way a quote a way to take out aggression instead of breaking a bottle and slashing someone's face

Jesus Christ so I mean but that, we'll get later. There's nothing in my life that I do instead of slashing people's faces. No, no. I think it's this. I mean, I don't think that. I think it's this, guys. You're saving us.

There's someone's face. I don't think there's ever been a situation that I've ever been in where I was just like, I'm going to slash his face. Yeah. That's it. I'm going to break a bottle and slash. Where are the bottles? He's just got a constant itching for it, apparently.

He's just itching. This is my favorite. This is a great quote from him. And this is really him in a nutshell. And you could tell he's in his element. This is from an interview, like a video interview from a skate video. And he's sitting in a pool chair outside. He's got a beret on.

And he's looking just smiling ear to ear outside. He's got a beret on. And he's looking like just smiling ear to ear, like cocky, like again, Tom Cruise. Smile, just. Like at three o'clock in the morning or three o'clock in the afternoon, gin buzz. Yeah, he's just looking cool. And he says, this is a great quote. He says, I'm one of the most blatant and outspoken jerks in the industry. It's really easy to say what you want and get away with it you can always get a bad write-up in a gossip column or thrasher magazine or trans world and

receive some kind of promotion or exposure out of it it's great i love getting arrested so that's like the long way to say any publicity is good publicity yeah i love getting arrested he's a wordy asshole also. We'll get into that because there's a lot of quotes. A wordy asshole. He's a wordy asshole. Not only that, the words he uses,

you're like, you could have said that so much easier, you son of a bitch. It's like as a comedian, you want to just, you want to make it as, the joke as lean as possible.

Yeah. Fucking make your statement lean, Gator. Cut the fat from that, please, dude. Because it's, you'll see in these quotes, you're like, why did he say it like that? Yeah, there's so many words in that.

All he had to say was any publicity is good publicity. And many skaters also from back then are like, he's kind of creepy. That's the word a lot of them use is creepy. It fits, man. It oozes through that statement. At this point, they started noticing all these skaters. They are becoming celebrities now. This is no shit.'re like a big deal they have all of these uh huge events where there's five to ten

thousand people showing up for to watch them skate yeah for a big like you know contest or whatever the hell you know just a demo and uh tons of girls they're getting yeah yeah yeah and gator there's poon everywhere we'll show we'll be posting his pictures on social media. Gator's a handsome dude back then. He's a real, like, he's a handsome, kind of rugged, dark, you know, cool, punching cops, flipping people off. If you're like a chick that's into, like, the bad boy, he's your guy. Right. I mean, and on top of all of that, he's making, you know...

Boatloads of cash. Making a million bucks a year, riding around... In the 80s. Yeah. As a kid that just loves to blow money and he's like he's 20 years old at this point right 20 he's having money money coming out of his ass girls are everywhere he's skating with all his pals that he grew up like this is a dream this is beautiful he's a he's a sid vicious that doesn't have to go play

gigs every weekend yeah he is and it's just money just coming to him it's it's amazing he doesn't skates a half pipe here and there and he's living it up and he's doing it. And now we start to get into his personal life with, first it starts with a girl named Brittany. Okay. They went out for several years. They met in high school. So all through this, he's going out with a girl named Brittany. Yeah.

They broke up in 87. This is when he, this was like his high school girlfriend or whatever. And this is when he's like, I'm going to find me some hot girl. Yeah. And he finds a 15 year old. What the fuck? I mean, he's 20. Yeah.

Still, that's a little young. He's probably 21 at this point. So we're going to say that's a little, I'm going to go ahead and stamp that not approved by Crime and Sports. 21 on 15, not approved. No good. Not approved. We will not No sir, not approved. We will not approve that behavior.

No. So, he meets a girl named Brandy McClain, okay, and this is the crux of everything, okay?

Just a typical 80s girl, Brandy. Brandy McClain, blonde girl, real pretty, you know, 80s girl,

had like the hair, not like big, had like the California surfer. Like she was a... Dirty blonde. But she wasn't California either. She is from Tucson, Arizona. No shit.

She's an Arizona girl. Right. She goes with her friend Jessica Bergston, okay? And she's going to come back big time, Jessica Bergston. So hang on to that name. That is Brandi McLean's best friend. They're in high school. They've been best friends for years.

Jessica convinces Brandi to come with her to Phoenix to watch a skating contest, event, whatever the hell, competition. And these two are like, these two, they're 15, but they are like party girls. They got fake IDs. They're drinking. They're going looking for guys. They are IDs. They're drinking. They're going looking for guys. They are like... They're trouble. They're trouble.

These two are... Yeah, you go, ooh, they're trouble. They are trouble. They are definitely trouble. They are what you do not want your 15-year-old daughter to be. No, yeah. These two, no. You don't want them to be that at all.

Because they go to this thing, and the friend hooks up with Christian Hesoy. Christian Hesoy, if you remember Thrasher Magazine, Christian Hesoy had these amazing, he was one of the guys that even after everything went to street skating, there'd still be tons of Christian Hesoy photos because he would go so high into the air. The pictures would be from an angle where you could see, you couldn't even see the half pipe in the picture.

He was so high, but yet there was people looking up at him. It was amazing how high this guy got. We probably will end up talking to Christian Assoy. It's not us talking to him, but talking about him because he did a long stint for drug trafficking and shit later. He's a real upstanding guy also, Christian Assoy. So this is who Jessica Bergston hooks up with. Assoy and Jessica then introduce Gator

to Brandy. All right. They say, hey, we should all hang out. Yeah, I know this other dude. I know this other dude, Gator. So this girl loved him. She said it was love at first sight.

Oh, boy. She was only 15. He continued touring and he would, like, call her every day. He would send her cards. He'd send her, like, little gifts.

He'd send her things. And then eventually, like... Grooming her. Groom grooming her grooming her eventually he'd started flying her out on weekends to california and staying with him on the weekends yeah i mean where the fuck are her parents where jesus where the fuck are her 15 year old who drives from tucson i mean i'm assuming she's driving she's somebody's illegally driving from Tucson to Phoenix to bang a 21-year-old skater and then he's flying her from Tucson International? What the fuck?

It's insane. She might have been one of them's from Tucson later on. There's a Phoenix, whatever. One way or another, she's flying out of state. She's flying to go to California. He's flying in underage poons. He's flying in underage, which I'm pretty sure is a crime. That's illegal.

I don't think you can import underage girls for reasons of sexual molestation. I don't think that's okay. That's crossing state lines for exploitation of a minor. But hey, in the words of Gator, I love getting arrested. So it's okay. It's cool. No worries. Now that hurt.

No worries. So at some point here, she's 17 old here uh in like 88 uh early 89 he asks her to move in with him and her quote is well first of all i'm gonna have to ask my mom no shit you're asking a 17 year old fucking girl to go out with her um these two have a long relationship of mainly there were like the like they were relationship of mainly they were like both thought they were super good looking and they were very much in love but then they'd fight

typical party people kind of relationship but I mean he's older but he has the mentality of a kid he hit too early not that that's any excuse for going out with a 15 year old but he hit too early and Not that that's any excuse for going out on a 15-year. I'm just saying, like, that's why they got along. But he hit too early,

and he didn't have time to mature because he's got to deal with stocks and hedge funds and shit. Yeah, at this point, he's not doing that, though. No, no, no. But you get my point. He's dealing with a lot of cash. He's probably got it all in a shoebox, a provisioned shoebox somewhere up in his closet, and he's like, yeah, that's cool. Because he is not a smart man, as we'll see. closet and he's like yeah that's cool because he is not a smart man as we'll see intelligent yes smart no right um uh his brother matt rugowski uh said that basically he spared gator spared no expense on brandy he flew her to europe brazil wow bought her jewelry bought her two cars wow he said that his quote was that she's a gold digger she's obviously a gold digger but when they were together they really really were enjoying it they looked they really he said you could tell they were in love

but she also loved money yeah and that'll come up later she loved the gifts um basically in 87 he takes her up to this huge house um tony hawk it's fallbrook is the place it's in the middle of nowhere it's avocado groves all right uh He buys this big, weird, circular house. It's a cool house, but it's a big, weird house. And Tony Hawk bought a house up there. All right. Tony Hawk built a giant ramp, like a huge half pipe, and it was like all the skaters would come there and hang out.

And Burgowski here, Gator, he was going to build a big ramp at his house, too, but never got to that because of other issues that came up here. At this point point he has the number one selling board wow going the number one selling deck uh he would like fly to japan to sign autographs for a check i mean just to sign autographs you'd fly over there sign autographs get a big fat check fly the fuck back that's that he was like living that kind of life pretty that's a pretty sweet dream at this point uh brandy says of him uh mark had two sides everything would be going fine and then he'd have his little manic freakouts and break up with me abruptly and then

call me two weeks later saying i love you and we're meant to be yeah so that was the whole like and it keeps coming up with that manic freakouts come up later and we'll get to why he's having manic freakouts this is severely bipolar undiagnosed through this time this is very killer sally and Ray relationship. Yeah, except they're not violent at any time. They're just like kids that are idiots. And we'll find out, too, they're getting shit-faced every single night. I have quotes from her just saying what they were doing.

And they were just living quite the life. Now, back to 87. In 87, he's intro introduced to a guy named bill silva now bill silva is starting a management company for skaters to try to put this together become really monetize this making a big business not just boards and t-shirts um so he starts a the swatch impact tour the most late 80s event in the history of the world the swatch and that's the other thing too gator and in his interviews he'd have like three swatches on up his arm he was the

guy wearing three swat you're like holy shit like a bright green one a pink one a blue one oh you asshole gross but that's cool in the 80s so shit yeah um yeah they're doing all this. At this point, too, in 88, he's on Club MTV. Remember Club MTV? Yeah. With downtown Julie Brown, the English. It's a party. Yeah, it's a party, dance party. Well, they had little ramps set up, like little quarter pipes.

Yeah. And they had Gators skating around on them. And he'd just be sitting there skating, banging for them. And then she'd be like, I'm here with my main man, Gator Mark Rogowski. And they'd be, I'm sorry. Listen, you said you couldn't do impressions you just did a solid one that was pretty good i'm never gonna say i can do them but yeah that's

downtown julie brown and so he was on that i'm here with my main man so um i think i'm better just a downtown julie brown not an english but only good with that one only one english person that's it um and it's funny too like he's doing like uh the the skate videos and stuff and she's like appearing in them brandy's in all the videos with him sure um brandy also in 89 this is later we'll skip ahead for a second but he's in gleaming the cube with christian slater he's one of the stunt doubles in that along with like mike mcgill and a whole bunch of other guys i can't remember who but i think it was just about everybody. Lance Mountain, all those guys. He's in that movie.

He's also, he's the guy in the Free Fallen video. He's the skateboarder in the Free Fallen video. And Brandy is also in the Free Fallen video. Is she the girl? She's not the girl, I don't think. Is he the one that she did? But she's like hanging around him. That's awesome.

So they're both in the Free Fallen Tom Petty video. I'm actually remembering that, where he's like jumping off the side of the ramp. And I feel like there's a girl there like jumping up and down. That's her. That's probably her. That's Brandi. Blonde girl, real pretty, short hair, poofy.

That's her. I feel like... Pull up the video. We could be totally wrong in imagining it. I feel like I'm getting it right through though. Me too. He starts getting weird at this point. This is when he before this

he was like a rebel skater i'm gonna do my fucking moves yeah fuck the police and all this shit and now he's selling out this is when he becomes like this like it's it's like if you've ever seen the major league movies in major league two like charlie sheen's got a suit on he's like hey i can't be like seeing like that's what he's doing now he's like really acting super corporate and like worried about marketing

Hollywood movies yeah they said like he would study marketing he was real into the marketing which is great but you're a skater and you're supposed to have like this badass image

you're not supposed to be like Ira Bergstein right marketing slash accounting specialist like it's not you're fucking Mark Gator or Gauss.

Get out there, punch a cop, flip around in the goddamn air, split your head open, and try again. Like, what the fuck are we doing? You know what I mean? Like, come on. Try the 760, dickhead.

Yeah, let's see what you can do. Or 740. Pop that McTwist and see what happens. There we go. So, I mean, friends started to notice this, that he was like,

he was very famous, and he was like, I'm famous. And he notice this, that he was very famous, and he was like, I'm famous, and he was really living that fame shit up. There's this, I think he's British or Australian. I couldn't tell, honestly, by his accent, because he was a little deluded by living in the States, I think. Right. But a skater named Billy Smith talks about how he had idolized Gator, and he came over

and he finally met him. He's like, oh, man, he had this image built up of him and he said and he saw him and he was just like i was just blown away by what a dick he was he was like wow what a dick like he's just a dick you're shocked nobody likes him 1988 comes around he does a completely douchey move he changes his name oh my god from from gator mark Mark Rogowski to Gator Mark Anthony. What the shit. He was trying to have a modeling career at this point, too. I think that had something to do with it.

He says it's because he hates his dad and why the hell should he carry his dad's name, so he used his middle name or whatever. You're trying to join a union, there's already a Mark Rogowski. There's already a Mark Rogowski. That would have been a much better reason than I hate my dad. It was just that one month in a Thrasher magazine or a Transworld, like there was just his picture and it said Gator Mark Anthony. And everyone was like, who the fuck is that?

Who is that asshole? Who's Mark Anthony? What's going on? So like all the skaters at the time were like, what the hell is wrong with him? Why is he changing his name? You're Mark Rogowski. Who cares? Like just skate.

And is Anthony his middle name? Is that what like just skate um is anthony his middle name is that what we said i think it's his middle name yeah and at this point too he starts doing these awful commercials for vision skate skateboard where he's like they're just cheesy and shitty and i remember downfall as a kid being like that's not cool like that's lame like there's this one skater named ed templeton that's interviewed on here i had his board and right he says the same thing like he's like i saw those they were just so lame and they were and so anyway he's he's he's like dancing and shit on them it's really weird oh boy everyone's calling him a sellout at this point too vision became very lame like they weren't cool anymore they didn't make any good boards

their clothes were lame mark out he just aged too much it was just it went like that yeah like because at this point, skating changes. All right. And this is very key to what happens with Mark Anthony and the snapping that he has here. Skating changes. There's all these little companies popping up. Yeah. Vision was still stuck on ramp skating.

Yeah. There's ramp skating and there's street skating. Yeah. Okay. Ramp skating is Tony Hawk doing flips in the air, coming back and forth on a half pipe for people who don't know. That's vert skating, it's called. It's vert on the ramp.

Right. Then in like 89, 90, street skating got really huge. When I was a kid, that's what we did, because none of us had fucking ramps, but we had curbs and benches and shit. Kick flips and grinding. Shit you could go grind on, and that's what you did. So at this point, that became the thing.

Yeah. And Tony Hawk and Mike McGill and a couple of those guys survived it. You know why? It's because when people are traveling throughout the city, there doesn't happen to be a fucking half-pipe on the street. And also, it's because kids everywhere, one of the skaters says, kids in Iceland, they don't have a pool over there they can skate. And you can't just build some shit. They have a bench. Right.

They have a curb. Right. It's all there. That's universal. It's convenient. It is. And for kids who didn't have a lot of money either you don't need money i don't have to send my dad to home depot and and get a get a fucking level and figure out how to make a fucking ramp oh i would have killed myself yeah my father bend a two by four go fuck yourself i'll break it if i asked my father to build me a ramp he would what are you out of your fucking mind?

I'm not building you a ramp. Get out of here. What's wrong with you? Go ride around on the street. He would have said, go ride around on the street. Okay. So I didn't ask my dad to build me a ramp. Maybe he would have.

Maybe he would have been like, sure, let's get out there. Let's do it. Let's bond. I highly doubt it, though. I don't think that would have happened. I think he would have been like, you know what? The Giants game's on. I don't think I'm going to do this now.

So at this point, Gator starts trying to street skate. This is the turning point. Oh, no. this is when it goes from everything's great yeah this is the this is where we start to go back down the slide of the hill and shit starts getting real interesting real fast here uh starts trying to street skate i saw painful painful videos of him like when he first started to do it anybody seen the jerry seinfeld comedian documentary when he starts trying to do his first five minutes back from doing stand-up and it's all fresh yeah he doesn't remember it and he's looking for the paper and like some english ladies making him look like an asshole in the crowd just heckling him and he doesn't know how to do so is this your

first time that is this is like yes yes it is this is what this is for him he's having trouble just ollieing up on a curb and grinding on it he's falling he's like fuck and he's throwing his skateboard like flinging his board into a parking lot he can't do it he's so goddamn pissed off but he keeps trying yeah because he couldn't make any money yeah he said like at this point he was starting to get less and less pictures in the in the magazines he said this is uh this is his quote on it. Quote, in their own words. Burt's skating was losing popularity. My photo coverage in all the magazines

was getting less and less. I felt invisible. Not being the big skate star anymore. It was a major life transition. A crisis time for me. Jesus. So, I mean, his whole image is going downhill.

So verbose. Yeah. And, like, kids on the street are kind of laughing at him. Yeah. He's out there trying to skate and there are, like, 12 like 12 year old kids that are better than him at this because they that's what they started doing he used to jump and they're laughing at this guy like who's this old

fart he's like 23 they're like who's this old fart trying to fucking grind that can't even i mean that's what skating is that's awesome the the tony i mean everybody thinks of tony hawk he's it there are no other other Tony Hawks. Right. And there's guys that, like, stay in the scene, like Lance Mountain, I think,

is still out there. He's been out there since the 80s. Right. I don't know if Mike McGill's still out there or not, but, like, there's a few of these guys, but,

I mean, for the most part, you have, like, a three-year career. Yeah. And skating, I mean, look at,

like, Jason Lee was a big street skater. Right. He's a movie star now. He does movies, right. Because that's a very small window. Because he wrote Mallrats.

He was smart. Yeah, even Kevin Smith wrote it. He was in it. Right. He right he's terrible in that fucking he was it's not a great when he just started acting we'll give him a break i think he still sucks but that's beside the point right he's dancing now he's doing right fucking chipmunks fucking that but that's how mainstream he got right being a scummy little street street skater right jason lee is now like oh alvin come on and there's kids paying 100 you know there's 100 million dollars worth of kid receipts right box office for this shit and he's living a happy life now mark is starting to withdraw uh gator's starting to withdraw he's like in his house brandy says he doesn't want to go hang out with the other skaters at tony hawk's house he's like they just play nintendo and jerk off he wanted to like stay and like write music and poems and shit and he just he was like liking being isolated brandy said that she

that he liked her being isolated up there of course he liked her he didn't like her talking to other guys keep her to himself yeah he's got a hot little piece of ass up there in his mind he's like hey i got this 18 year old girl i don't want her talking to anybody else she's gonna go especially because his confidence was way he. He knows it's going away. Yeah. Once the money and the career goes away so do the girls. And he was very much

kept everyone at arm's length. Here's a quote from Tony Hawk. He said, I never felt that you could get close to him

that he would let a lot of people get that close to him. So it's like you'd know him but then he would go away. See that's the difference

between Tony Hawk and his mind of being successful, is that he can get a thot out in two sentences. And you're like, I totally get it. I get what you're doing. This fucking asshole goes on and on and on. So, I mean, at this point, Brandy, yeah, he's very jealous.

At this point, they sell the house. Tony Hawk sells his house, too. They're both just going nuts out there. Hawk said his ramp started falling apart. They need to get the fuck out of there. So they move to Carlsbad. He buys a sweet condo, Gator, a block from the beach in Carlsbad. It's a beautiful place to be.

It's awesome, yeah. That's really cool. Brandy moves in with him. They're partying like crazy at this point. I mean, they're having a good fucking time. Brandy says of this, they party at bars every night. She said, quote, we would get high every night we wouldn't do coke every night but we'd do bong hits and then go to the bar at the end

of the street and get fucked up capital that's why i said that uh then we'd hang out in his jacuzzi and get drunk off our asses and have wild sex all night she's a party she's a party and he's living a fun life right now he's getting wasted every, banging this girl in his jacuzzi. He's having a great fucking time. And this is when he starts having some anger problems. He's drinking. Brandy always says he drank to control his rage because he's a very rageful guy. Now he's getting frustrated.

And now it really builds up. In 1989 in Sydney, Australia, he goes over there, basically. He starts acting really weird. He gets real close with a personal trainer, starts getting nutty about his diet. Somebody said he freaked out because they didn't have fresh broccoli for him somewhere.

And he's like, how the fuck? Like, he lost his mind. The only person on earth that wants broccoli. Yeah, these are skaters. They're all like, have a cheeseburger. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? They're not eating broccoli, these guys. Drink a 40 and have two cheeseburgers.

That's not diet. They moved out of their parents' house when they were 14, these kids. They're not eating broccoli. He's losing it. um on tour the management company here the bill silver guy they keep getting calls saying mark anthony is acting like a crazy person we'll just call him gator because he's got too many but uh he's acting like a crazy person he's being a dick to everybody he's like throwing boards at kids that are bothering him now it happens he does days of demos and he's tired and pissy some kid comes up to him he wants an autograph gator tells him to fucking beat it it's like listen yeah scram kids like come

on come on come on gator punches him great kid not cool no this is in front of a huge crowd does dad see it no but this is in front of a huge crowd, and Australia's not that big of a country. This got around. His board, they said his sales dropped like 90% a month in Australia. The whole continent just abandoned him. All you had to do was punch a kid, and it's over. One kid, because it was out. Yeah, they fucking hated him. That's one incident.

Now we get to where he's really starting to get dangerous. 1989, they go to West Germany. This is not good. They're in with the vision team for a world cup event i don't know if it's for the soccer world cup or there's right some sort of skateboarding world cup who's like the second worst thing to happen to germany second worst second worst um he gets shit-faced like he does all the time he's a party hop in he's sloshed gets hammered on jaeger oh boy climbs up a terrace to the hotel yeah up for some reason falls off onto a wrought iron fence oh my god somehow doesn't die but he is destroyed

is he impaled oh torn apart his arm his hand they showed i saw pictures of his like reattached his thumb his finger his neck it went into oh my god somehow didn't kill him he had to go through a shit load of plastic surgery wow yeah there's one of the vision guys that was like you know tour manager

like he just came knocking on his hotel room door and he said there was blood just pouring out I'm sure there was his quote was it sounded like someone was pouring a water

on the floor that's how much blood I love it he freaks out in the ambulance on people like they get him in the ambulance he's torn to pieces

he's freaking out on them punching paramedics and shit he's a lunatic just trying to close these holes Gator

chill out didn't know a thing wakes up the next morning in the hospital he goes what the fuck am I doing here oh my god

doesn't remember a goddamn thing that wasted what happened to me why am I all chopped up he got in a fight with a gator

he got in a fight that's what it looked like he got in a fight with a gator 1990 comes around and He got in a fight with a gator. He got in a fight. That's what it looked like. He got in a fight with a gator. 1990 comes around, and he becomes a born-again Christian. Oh, God. This is when shit starts getting weird.

Oh, God. He becomes a born-again Christian, starts putting Christian logos on his boards and shit like that. Real weird. Christian logos. There's only one, right? It's just that cross, right? Yeah, yeah. He's got crosses on it it crosses on the on the caps of his wheels and he's like jesus fishes jesus fish with like you know some like weird slogan inside it no this is his quote from the time um it wasn't

until i found christ or converted that i really began to set an honest to set an honest look who talks like that unbelievable sorry wasn't until i found christ or converted that i really began to Unbelievable. That's his quote. I took a good look in the mirror. That's it. All those goddamn words. This is what he does. Oh, God.

He's a fucking loon. Yeah. And he takes this, it's a guy, Augie Costantino. Yeah. He's going to come up again and again. Yeah, I know that name.

He is the guy, he's a surfer who was in some accident earlier and severed his leg muscles and couldn't surf anymore so he became a Jesus freak. Oh, boy. And he's trying to convert all the surfers and sk became a Jesus freak. Oh boy. And he's trying to convert all the surfers and skaters.

And he's helping him. And he converts Gator here. Oh boy. So now Gator's going around trying to get kids into Jesus. They both have that moment where they're hurt. You know what I mean?

Yeah. With like, he's got the gate and he's got his, whatever he has. And they're going around trying to... So they bond over that. And they're trying to convert kids to Jesus.

And the kids just want to meet Gator. Yeah. They're like, oh, shit, that's Gator. He's a psychopath. And he's like, hey, let me tell you about Christ. And they're like, we were going to ask if you wanted to go skate that ramp. What are you talking about? Is that ramp named Christ?

Yeah, what are you talking about? But some kids he was getting because they just wanted to hang out with Gator. He would go places with the Bible in his hand and all of his friends were like what the fuck is this guy? The worst.

They're like they've been partying with this guy for years and like what gimmick is this bullshit? One of his friends said yeah he was fanatic about it but

that's just it. He was fanatic about everything. That was Gator. He's a fanatic about coke too. He was super fanatic about alcohol before

this and now he's putting that focus into Christ. All the energy he had from fanatic about alcohol before this and now he's putting that focus on the christ all the energy he had from skating and coke and booze and put it right into god he would make brandy go hang out with augie and the other christians and make her hang out with the weird christian girls where she just youth life yeah she said they were like super weird of course and they were like you know not like her at all because she's like a party girl. He wanted to settle down at this point. He told her that he couldn't, they couldn't have sex anymore. Oh boy.

Unless they got married. That ain't gonna do it. And so she said, okay, I'm gonna go fuck a surfer guy then. So she went and found a surfer guy. See that guy in that wet suit? I'm gonna go get his dick. So she did. She found some nice surfer guy.

And according to her, I mean, this seems like a nice time for her like she meets this guy by all accounts from what she says this was a great relationship she had with him their fam her the guy's family though she was a dream for her she was loving it gator didn't like it he was jealous yeah he would stalk her oh um he said he said uh he said that he was believing in the patriarchal things in the Bible. That's why he was doing this, is what he told her. He would call her house, threateningly growl into the phone, call her a cunt. Super patriarch. Very biblical shit.

Very biblical. Very Old Testament. Some Old Testament shit right here. Call her a cunt. He would. He would call her a cunt. Jesus. I believe that's in the Bible.

I believe that. I believe it's Leviticus. I think Jesus said that. Whatever the fuck. Yeah. Thou shalt be a cunt if thou hook's up with a surfer. I believe that's in the Bible. I believe that. I think Jesus said that. Whatever the fuck, thou shalt be a cunt if thou hooks up with a surfer. I believe that's what it says. I think Jesus called the Romans that as they stabbed him in the ribs.

I think that's what he said. Yes. Cunt. And he went down. That'd be great because that would be really mainstream. I might buy in. I would buy in at that point. So he's stalking her, tracking her down,

called her at the boyfriend's mother's house. He didn't have that number. He tracked her. It's really creepy. Who knows if he's hiring investigators. But he won't have money for that long because he files Chapter 11 bankruptcy very soon because he's not making any money skating anymore.

Surprise. Because he's a shit street skater. He's focusing all his time chasing down this ex-girlfriend broke into her parents house and stole back everything he'd ever given her everything including a car jesus everything uh and kept leaving messages and the father the parents are obviously like freaked out by this um and he convinced she they start let's start fresh yeah let's not do this everything's going to be fine he says uh let's go out to dinner great idea let's do it sure sure let's ray caruth ringing in my head yeah let's go out to dinner but brandy from the favela

brandy does his furser or do you don't have any dogs do you you had a cousin in the back you know okay so brandy just to let you know she survives this trip brandy does brandy is fine now right brandy have seen her she's good now so brandy's alive and well this has nothing to do with brandy there's another girl who does not have right quite the same fate it's quite as good a luck as brandy does they go out um they go out to dinner on the way back mark like drives away from her parents house in the middle of nowhere and he tells her

like I should just beat you and leave you in the fucking desert everybody will know you deserve it and blah blah blah and she starts freaking out she's like take me home

take me home my mother knows I'm with you my parents know I'm with you you gotta take me home call the cops if I don't come home you're going to jail if you do this

so he takes her home he's like good point basically Touche you win she is so scared of him. This is so shaking that she moves to New York just to hide from him for a while. Just strictly for hiding. She'd go to the other coast.

Only told her parents where she was going. Didn't tell her friends. Didn't tell anyone, including her friend Jessica Bergston. Oh, boy. Who really could have used this information. Yeah. Really, really bad. Yeah. Really, really bad. Yeah.

Because Jessica, at this point, right around this time, exactly around this time, moves from Tucson to San Diego. Oh, boy. For a job. She has no friends. She doesn't know anybody. She's a party girl. She wants to go find her scene. She has Gator's number.

Oh, God. Who do you think she calls? Yeah. Gator. Gator. No idea about how he's been acting, his violence that he just filed chapter 11 bankruptcy. Have you heard about Brandy? Where's she at?

That's the thing. It's so crazy. So she calls Mark on the 20th of March, 1991. All right. Says, hey, can you maybe show me around San Diego? Introduce me to some people. He says, yeah, sure. They go out to lunch. They get along real well. He's Says, hey, can you maybe show me around San Diego? Introduce me to some people. He says, yeah, sure. Yeah.

They go out to lunch. They get along real well. He's like, great, cool. They go, they rent some movies. This is back when you rented a movie. They rent some movies. They get a few bottles of wine. Have you seen Gleaming the Cube?

Have you seen Gleaming the Cube? I'm awesome in it. I love, Free Fall is my favorite song. He's that egotistical. That's probably what he said. You've seen Gleaming the Cube? You like Christian Slater? He's all right.

I met him. I met him. Sucked some skating, let me tell you. Very bad. He's all bullshit. Anyway, they get a couple bottles of wine, some movies. They go back to his condo. Good place to be.

They're having a good time. They're talking, whatever. Gets laid. It's beautiful. It's 2.30 in the morning or so um and uh she says okay i gotta take off now um you know he says okay you know that's fine uh i can't find my driver's license i'm gonna go run out to my car and see if it's in the car she's like okay i'll wait in here because he couldn't find it and he wanted to drive her home but he wanted a driver's license to do it so he's like okay oh, okay, I'll wait in here. Because he couldn't find it and he wanted to drive her home. But he wanted a driver's license to do it with.

So he's like, okay. Goes out, comes back in with his driver's license and the club. You remember the club that you put on the steering wheel? And people would, I guess, steal your car anyway? Big red thing you saw through the steering wheel and take it off. Let's be honest. If you parked your car in the middle of South Bronx in the 80s with that thing on. It's disappearing.

Eight Puerto Ricans will have that off in four seconds. But apparently it is good for beating women over the head with. It's disappearing. Eight Puerto Ricans will have that off in four seconds. But apparently it is good for beating women over the head with. Oh, Jesus. She's looking at his pictures on the mantle. He comes up behind her

and starts bludgeoning her with this club. Which is like a... It's an anti-theft device. Yeah. It has two hooks on it and you... It's like a light metal.

Right. It's aluminum. It's not light though. It's aluminum. But it's pretty beefy it's dense it's dense it's dense

and you put it onto the steering wheel and then you have a key on it that unlocks it that it extends and goes through the middle of the

steering wheel so it won't turn so you can't turn the car so you can't steal the car so yeah they were very popular in the early 90s mid 90s

anyway they're heavy enough that if you hit somebody you can bash their fucking head in. Yeah, and he says about this, he said, everything I hated about

Brandy, I hated about Jessica. She was of the same mold Brandy was of. Who the fuck talks like that, you asshole? But that was his quote of her. She reminded me of Brandy. That's what he just tried to say. Yeah. She was just like Brandy and I thought Brandy was a bitch, so I killed her.

That's it. Brandy's a cunt. She's a cunt. That's why I killed her. That's it. So, I mean, he then, she's semi-conscious on the floor. He beat her several times in the head. This wasn't one blow.

She's bleeding all over the floor. He takes her upstairs into the bedroom, handcuffs her to the bed. Yeah. Then he rapes her for three hours. Logical next step. Three hours. Jesus. I mean, that's a lot of raping.

Likely with the club. Likely, dude, at this point with this guy, who the fuck knows the rage. What a monster. This is all based in branding. He saw Red. I'll bet he doesn't even remember doing it. Oh, he does.

He remembers all of it. It comes up. Does he really? Oh, yeah, yeah. He remembers the whole thing. He said that his quote was quote jessica didn't deserve what happened to her i let my pain out on her even though she was innocent we we went and partied and around 2 30 or 3 this weird impulse just took off i suddenly just

snapped and lost control all this rage just came out that was his quote he's so loquacious just does the same shit over talks in circles He's such a fucking verbose dick. This girl's like a very thin girl, too. It didn't take a lot. She's 5'8", 115, which is extremely thin. So yeah, it's horrible. So he rapes her for three hours. He's beating her, too.

I mean, it's horrible. Of course. At one point, he says she's making too much noise, and he's worried about the neighbors. She's crying, bro. So he stuffs her into a surfboard bag to see if that would help. That didn't help, so he went in and strangled her. Jesus.

And that was his, yeah, he strangles her. Now he's got a dead girl. Yeah. Fucking blood everywhere. I mean, he's like, oh, shit. Shit's getting real now. The wine buzz is probably starting to wear off. He's like, uh-oh, what do I do now now takes all of her stuff takes her takes the club throws it all in the

trunk of his car drives two hours out to the middle of the desert middle of the i mean this is like some gangster shit joe pesci does this you know like that's what he's doing um he drives out to the desert it's the uh drives her way out there dumps her off two hours yeah then buries her in a shallow grave i mean he's got a shovel too at this point burying her in a shallow grave naked body takes her clothes bloody clothes and the club and dumps it out the window along the way oh god i mean he he's fucking nuts at this point goes back to his house cover everything up yeah that morning because he kind of it was like the morning by the time he got back he rented a carpet cleaner took it home got all the blood stains out, flipped the mattress over.

At what point does he pray for this? Yeah, everything's cool. And then he went and studied the Bible for a while, probably. So he does all this. He does all this. The body is found a couple weeks later by campers in the desert. As they try to put a campfire together, probably. Yeah, probably.

And so they see something sticking out, whatever. It's like in cereal, even though somebody saw a thing. Does it say club on her forehead? Is that club? Holy shit, wow. I've been thinking about getting one of those. Do they work? Because my neighborhood's kind of bad.

Oh, wait a second. Back to the dead girl. So bodies found by campers. They don't know who it is. She's in a month in the desert. Oh, wait a second. Back to the dead girl. So, body's found by campers. They don't know who it is. She's in a month in the desert. Oh, she's bloated. I saw a picture. It's skeleton.

Yeah. No, not bloated. Really? Skeletal, man. It's already over. They managed to get one print partial out of her, and they found her that way. She was a skeleton. It was insane.

Takes no time at all. It was gross. It was gross. So, he tells there there's so the missing posters go up right away

he tells the Augie Constantino that he did this there's a poster of her up at 7-Eleven where they're preaching to kids

Mark sees a girl go by that's you know that's she's got like no clothes on basically

he goes hey why don't you go put some clothes on and then come back so i can tell you about christ which is a hell of a fucking opener right there hey listen honey why don't you put a few clothes down and come back here i'll give you a little little something about the lord if you know what i'm talking about what a jackass right tell you about the corinthians you put a sweater on you dirty bitch she said i have no problems i'm cool and he said oh yeah well that's probably what this girl thought is what augie said and pointed to her and she said mark got real weird at that point was like hey what you know he got take it easy y'all and then uh he said uh told augie oh by the way i killed that girl and the guy was like okay now this augie

guy is a complete asshole um he has this is is good, but he has Mark turn himself in. Yeah. Which is fine. That's fine. But the problem is, he drives him to the police station. Also, too, Mark had just signed a deal, not for a lot of money, but with a new... Like, he was trying to get into the new companies. Fishlips was the name of the company.

I've heard of that. And they have, like, a 7-Eleven-ish logo, if you remember that. Yeah, that looks familiar. Yeah, but... So, I mean, he could have... By the way, you're so dead on, by the way. That's amazing. So they're driving to the police station,

and this is what Constantino told him. Quote, Mark, you don't need a lawyer. Bad advice, number one. Yes, you fucking do. You don't need innocent until proven guilty. Yeah, you do. What do you need a lawyer for if proven guilty uh yeah you do um what do you need a lawyer for if you answer to a higher power okay if a person is accountable to god he's accountable

to society the bible says that jesus christ and then they asked him they asked this augie guy if if they thought it was unethical to you know turn someone in who came to them like as a minister he said well you know he came to me like as a minister he said well you know he came to me more as a friend and i'm not ordained anyway so he knew it was gonna happen what the fuck is that like this guy's a complete asshole i'm not an ordained shit i want no advice from him augie's a douchebag anything augie tells me I'm doing the exact fucking opposite. I would agree with that. Jesus Christ. That is good. At this point, he's in jail. Kids, they don't know whether he did it or not.

Yeah. He goes in and confesses, but then recants it later on, because whatever. Because he finally talks to a lawyer. Yeah, because he talks to a lawyer and goes, oh, wow, God doesn't run the court system. Oh, hey, can I speak to God? Oh, there is none? I should. I better get a lawyer then.

Is Jesus the warden? I was told Jesus would be cool with this. God? Oh, there is none? I should. I better get a lawyer then. Is Jesus the warden? I was told Jesus would be cool with this. No? Are we not? No? Fuck, is he not here today? Are there any of the disciples? Anybody I could talk to?

So some kids are putting free Mark Anthony stickers on shit. Oh, Jesus. And other ones are having stickers that say, skateboarding is not a crime, if you remember that. Yeah. So skateboarding is not a crime. Murder is. Mark Anthony should die.

So those are the two. I like that yeah skateboarding is not a crime murder is mark anthony should die so those are the two i like that sticker better that's a better sticker that one's very very very apropos too because it's so many words it's perfect it's a long sticker that's like that's a big fucking sticker perfect for him and his long winded shit yeah it's almost like he wrote it maybe i'll put out stickers and I'll make a little dough off of that. The Vista District Attorney's Office, Terry Jensen, this guy, says, Here you have a situation where it's a young kid that's never been dumped before and it was devastating to him. Consequently, he made some bad choices. Whoopsie. I would call that a very bad, that's more than a bad choice. That'd be like he, you know, drove drunk one night and crashed into a pole and you know yeah he made

some bad choices he's like hubie brown tone eddie johnson that's just you're gonna have to choose uh calm it down man so i mean the trial goes on hard copy remember hard copy the terrible show in the 90s over dramatic bullshit they did a dramatic reenactment of the rape murder. Good God. On television. And put it in prime time. Yeah, they're like, look at this. This is that guy. He was probably like skating around the room while he did it. How's our budget? Can we get a real club or do we gotta get a knockoff? Shit, yeah, we're gonna have to get a

knockoff. So at this point, two gators in jail sending postcards to his friends saying the truth will come out, God will show my innocence and shit like that. In an interview, he did a bunch of interviews at this point he said that uh he thought it was kinky sex gone bad that's what he said it was he said they were choking each other and she just died he freaked out and didn't know what to do because you're choking someone you're like shit i better bury her in the desert i better not try to revive her or call an ambulance right

now hold on let me run to the car and get my club. Yeah, hold on, wait a second. This is going to be hot. I'm going to give you something you never had before. Oh, my God. He's charged under the, this is 1992 now, in January. He's charged with special circumstances because it was murder with rape attached to it.

So that makes you eligible for the death penalty or life without parole in the state of california at this point way to go california his complete pile of shit attorney john jimenez this guy just seemed like such a shyster on tv when i saw him he just looked oh my god i wouldn't hire this guy to fucking make me a sandwich he's an ambulance chaser and he got a murder trial he's a complete douche bag he challenges the confession also tries to appeal

the rape charge saying that there's no evidence that shows it was forcible sex holy shit that was eventually dismissed because they were like yeah the evidence of her being bludgeoned

and put in a hole says possibly it was forcible maybe I don't think she allowed that let's just keep it let's just give us the benefit of the doubt that it was forcible. Maybe. I don't think she allowed that. Let's just keep it up. Let's just give us the benefit of the doubt that it was forcible at this point. Ends up pleading guilty after a couple...

Once the death penalty thing's on the table, I think he starts seeing shit a little more realistically. You better start talking about a plea deal. He sees Jesus isn't coming to help him anytime soon. He's like, I better fucking plead guilty. Submits a four-page confession. Details everything. Takes the cops to the burial site. Is that right? and he's like, I better fucking plead guilty. Submits a four-page confession, details everything, takes the cops to the burial site.

Is that right? Proving he knew where it was. They look all around his house. He got all the bloodstains out of the carpet, but they cut up his carpet. It was soaked into the subflooring. They picked that up. Luminol, motherfucker.

Yeah, they showed the Luminol. I saw the Luminol pictures. It was everywhere. Unbelievable. I mean, all over the place anyway, even on the carpet. But there was blood actually in the subflooring, in the wood. He ends up pleading guilty. He blames himself for the whole act, saying it was because he had sex outside of marriage and he was a bad Christian.

So he was trying to say still it was kinky sex gone bad. He did it, but this is God punishing him for not being a good Christian. You aren't a good christian now killer and you're going to jail yeah the punishment hasn't started yet asshole let's start that um he's the problem here at this point now they have him and now he's pleading guilty and now all of his friends are like he told all of his friends he didn't do this so all the people in the skating community a lot of them supported him and shit like that. And now they're like, dude, what the fuck? What the fuck are you doing, man? Like, we were supporting you in

free Mark Anthony sticker. And now you're just saying you did it? You were sending me postcards? We're skating half pipes in your honor. What the fuck, man? We could be grinding a bench right now. Oh, it's crazy. It's so crazy. So they're having, It's a huge deal. And so he just says, fuck it, he goes to jail. I mean, he did this. He killed his... And he says it straight out.

He killed his girlfriend's best friend to get back at his girlfriend. Like, who the fuck does that? That's a hell of a way to get back at her. Dude, and they weren't even, like, really talking much anymore. You already stole everything back from her. I think you've gotten back at her. You know Brandy, don't you? You took her car, bro.

Yeah. You know Brandy, don't you? It's time to die. I think I'm going to club you. What do you think of that? With a club. With a club. With a legit club.

God damn it. So yeah, he turns himself, at least he turned himself in at that point. Yeah, no doubt. During sentencing, there is, all the way, he's sentenced in the end here. He's sentenced. He changes plea to guilty for murder to avoid the life in prison. He's sentenced to six years for rape to be served consecutively, which not together in a row, with a 25-year murder charge. 31 years. 31 years he gets, okay, for this.

So during sentencing, there's a big rumor, there's a bunch of extra security, because there's a huge rumor that her father, that Steven Bergsten, who's a lawyer in Tucson, who at this point was just under federal whatever because he represented a bunch of drug dealers, and they were saying he was helping them launder money. Gotcha. Because he had just lost a bunch of properties, his daughter's dead. He doesn't have much to lose at this point. said i'm gonna fucking kill gator there's all sorts of extra security and everything to get between you got nothing to lose at this point that's exactly what he said i have nothing to lose um so gator in court apologized to him and he screamed out that he was a coward

and he deserves to die a thousand deaths i love it as you would expect yeah father yeah you just butchered her little girl so so yeah, that's not good. He goes to, he's serving a sentence at Soledad State Prison in California. I think it's in San Diego down there. Sounds beautiful. Sounds picturesque, doesn't it? Very picturesque. He had a parole hearing already.

He already had a parole hearing. 2011, he had a parole hearing. Did not go well for him. I'm sure it didn't. Deputy DA Richard Sachs called him an unreasonable risk to society, which everyone pretty much agreed with. I'm on board. There was members of Jessica's family there to reiterate that.

And so he was denied parole. Not eligible for parole after that hearing for another seven years. Oh, no. Your heart's beating with that one. Seven years. So he is eligible for parole after that hearing for another seven years. Oh, no. Your heart's beating with that one. Seven years. So he is eligible for parole in 2018. So ladies, ladies. Get your dancing shoes on.

Get your dancing shoes on. Get on out to the vert ramp. Thank God nobody has a club anymore. Everybody's got Keyless Entry on their car. Mark Anthony. Thank God. Mark Anthony will be out on the streets. Doesn't hurt when you get hit with one of those. Everybody's got keyless entry on their car. Mark Anthony, thank God, Mark Anthony will be out on the streets.

It doesn't hurt when you get hit with one of those. It's funny, no, with the keyless entry, the key fob, boom.

What the fuck did you do that for, dude? Stop. Dude, that's like, I'm going to have a lump on my head now. Dude, stop. You're being a dick.

It's much different from, why are you handcuffing me to your bed? Don't put that there. Yeah, don't put that inside me. Very bad. He was age 44 when he was denied parole. That was in February 2011.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis said, I'm proud of our office's work to keep this inmate behind bars where he belongs. I'm proud of you, too, Bonnie. I tend to agree. Bonnie, you did good work. She did good work she did good work so i mean this guy everybody else at least had like a cause and effect of a crime that we've gone through so far this guy was like the crazy he's diagnosed severe bipolar he was in jail also yeah so i mean he's got mental problems alcohol depression drugs lack of career yeah this girl

dumps him fuck yeah i mean if you think about it, too. That's a key catalyst. I mean, he has been, like, a cool guy since he was 12. That's what happens when cool wears off. That's the thing. Yeah. And when you're 12 and you're a badass and you're 17 and you're making money. Yeah.

And you're 19 and you buy a big house. And you're skateboarding. Right. And then by 23, you're fucking done. No more money. No one gives a shit about you. People are making fun of you. Midlife crisis in your 20s.

Yeah. He became hair metal basically at that point where it was like Nirvana came out and he was still standing there with his makeup on and his hair teased up

and he's like what about me? What? You guys really like let me play every rose? You guys like that right? No it's cool. They're like fuck out of here let me play kick start my heart stick around come here it's poison and motley crew all of them that's so yeah you're standing there being warrant and got cherry pie happening right and and then nirvana's got black and white

and gritty and that just didn't hang on to your money and stick around for 20 years you're gonna be cool again eventually yeah i mean and that's what happens every time that's what happens and that's what would have happened probably yeah he would there's probably like skating reunion things where they all go yeah you know they have like the wrestling conventions they'd probably be a comic con these guys i'm sure some of them are i don't know but uh he would but he was a popular figure and and it's so funny my cousin ian uh bought his board a few years ago off of eBay or something just because it was a, you know, that's a board people had when he skated when he was a kid. Might as well.

It's cheap. Yeah. So he had it. And it was a cool board for that flat nose type, which I don't prefer, but whatever. You want the double hooks on them. But I mean, that's the gator and his insanity. Two more years and we may get more of it. We may get more of it. That's pretty, that's the Gator and his insanity. I mean... Two more years

and we may get more of it. We may get more of it. That's pretty awesome. He's been in a long time. He's not going to get out. 92. I'm pretty... 51 years old,

they're not going to let him out. He's been in there, though. At that point, we're talking, he's been in there 26 years. He's close to getting out anyway. I mean, he's going to get out

in his 50s. At least we can keep an eye on him for five more years. If we let him out now, he could be on parole rather than just letting him out in five years. Just letting him free. Let's see. Let's let him go fuck up in five years.

We'll get him back. Because he keeps, in all of his interviews from jail and this documentary, he keeps saying he apologizes a million times. He's now, I guess he's medicated up. He's saying totally on him. My bad. He's pulling a complete my bad. He's not blaming anybody but himself.

He's saying, you know, Brandy's a girl that could have done whatever she wanted. And it wasn't right of him to be jealous. And it wasn't right of him to take it out on Jessica. She was an innocent girl. And he's a piece of shit. And he deserves to be where he is. And he just wants to try to turn his life around someday. For once, I can't get enough of listening to him.

I love hearing him humble. That's it. Nowadays, he's just very humble. And I don't know if he's just saying that because he's a guy who's up for parole soon. Wants out. And he's like, yeah, I'm super sorry. Never happen again. Can't say sorry enough. I don't know what came over

me. This lithium's doing wonders. I'm feeling good. I am ready to go hit the streets let's skate who's in let's find a pool let's practice some rail slides guys what do you say come on come on 51 years old he's gonna have brittle bones he can't oh there's no skating anymore so he's fucking done so when he gets out i don't know what the hell he's gonna do it's gonna be a nightmare um look for him uh sweeping up hair in your local barberbershop. Probably. Or like, you know, something that you would hire a retarded person to do. I picture him going

back to some beach community between San Diego and L.A. and just combing the beach for a loose change. That would be good because he's getting older. Get a metal detector. Get yourself some black socks and some sandals and some shitty shorts and get out there and detect.

A big white brim hat and go find that change. Get out there. Who knows what you'll find. Maybe you'll find a club if you need a new one. If you do go to LA, if you go to the beach sometime, there's nothing more fun than grabbing that change in your car. Everybody's got it. Just jam it in your pocket. Go out and sit on the beach and just penny after penny and just lob it near those guys with the metal detectors. Make sure they don't catch you. And then every now and again, throw a quarter. Because they'll chase those pennies and they'll go, fuck, penny, fuck, another penny.

Then they'll find that quarter and it gives them hope. It makes it all worthwhile. And they keep looking. It makes it all worthwhile. It's so goddamn fun. I've made now 28 cents. I am the master. But he'll keep going when he finds the

quarter. We're almost back to, we're almost even on this $467 metal detector. Yes. And I'm gonna have to dump this change into the parking meter by the beach. Master plan complete. Look at terrible evil genius. I love it. So yeah, that's Mark Rogowski

guys, the gatorator um yeah we hope you thought he was as much of a fucking batshit as we did i love it because i liked him at first i like that kind when i was a kid too like you would like that punk ass okay fuck cops and i'll go punch this guy and let me give you the underdog and that's the thing he was a poor kid he wasn't he didn't have everything he was a single mother poor kid and shitty boards he said he used to go to like the skate shops and just drool over the new boards and just be like oh man i want that so bad no dad looking up to his brother no looking up to his brother and i mean he did well for himself and then he did a little worse for himself that was if he wouldn't have

killed that girl he drove it into the ground could have have put it back together. Could have been. Didn't quite work out. What could have been? That's him. We have some great episodes coming up. I'm looking forward to it. We have so many fun ones. I think we're going to do Ryan Leaf next week because the NFL draft's coming up. What a bust.

We're going to give you the biggest draft bust ever, possibly, and one of the biggest post-life disasters also. I love it. Disaster on the field, disaster off the field. At least like Greg Hardy's a disaster off the field, on the field, decent defensive tackle. This guy's just consistent through every aspect of his life. Yeah, and so much promise, too. That's what makes it so great.

For someone to have the world just by the balls and just go, no thanks, no thanks, I'm going to go to jail now. Have we got any pills? We'll get to that. We have a whole bunch of other ones coming up. Just trust us. All sorts of good stuff. As you can see by this story, if you knew nothing about Mark Gator, Galsby, or skateboarding,

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