Crime in Sports - #175 - As Messed Up As He Wants To Be - The Outlandishness of Dennis Rodman

Episode Date: September 3, 2019

This week, we check out one of the all time legends of basketball, and stupidity! From the humblest of starts, he was literally a late bloomer, who figured out that basketball could take him ...places. He has done everything from championships, to arrests, to dating Madonna. His exploits are enough for about 3 episode, but we manage to squeeze it into one wild & wooly tale!! Buckle up, this guy is an all timer!! Steal watches from the Dallas airport gift shop, slap Carmen Electra, and be the first major male athlete to wear a wedding dress in public with Dennis Rodman!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:28 I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on a crazy, outlandish, multicolored edition of Crime and Sports. I say that referring to the participant's hair. I'm sure you've seen it because you clicked on the thing. It's Dennis Rodman. So it's just a sea of crazy we have before you. He's one of those people that you think you know. You're like, yeah, I know he does this.
Starting point is 00:01:50 And then you're like, oh, my God, I didn't realize it was that much crazy. Like everybody we do like that. It's like, I know they did some things, but holy shit, when you really line it up and put it all in a two hour perspective, it's really something. You really have a timeline of a snow cone of disaster. It's really something. You really have a timeline of a snow cone, a disaster. It's really a disaster. But thank you guys so much for everything this week, especially your reviews, those purple icon, Apple music, Apple podcast, whatever the hell it is, reviews. They help. We don't know why, but they help drive you up there. Silly charts with those, that algorithm that we can't figure out. And that's it. So they help a lot. So thank you for those who do that. Doesn't
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Starting point is 00:04:20 We have so much fun. That's what I mean. You go to a stand-up show, and it's like, yeah, there's a guy with a microphone, and even if he's great, even if he's a terrific, amazing, even if you go see Bill Burr, he's incredible. And you're going to laugh until you hurt. But if you go to see us, there's two of us. So, I mean, two of us can marginally almost equal the talent of a Bill Burr.
Starting point is 00:04:38 But we also have a story and pictures. So that takes us over the top. No, you can't compete with that. It's not fair. He doesn't have that. It's just not fair. If he had had stories and pictures then we'd be fucked but if two of us plus stories plus pictures equals slightly above i think above bill burr's a live show maybe it's possible i'm not sure though we do have a lot of fun and it's a it's a good time the show that you build is
Starting point is 00:04:59 fucking incredible we have a great time but uh let's get to this because it's a it's a deep this is one of those ones where it's just it takes so long to put together because you're not just putting together a story. It's like 75 stories at once. He's been doing it for so long. He's been around forever and he's been crazy. And this is up until like two weeks ago. All this is happening to like this never stops with Dennis Rodman. It never stops.
Starting point is 00:05:22 It's Dennis Rodman, the worm. Yes. Let's get into it everybody dennis keith rodman that was his middle name yeah i did it's he's still alive sorry dennis rodman and uh it doesn't seem like a guy whose middle name would be keith no honestly keith sounds like somebody's like you know white stepdad who or maybe it's perfect for him because it just doesn't fit anything kids this, this is Keith. Yeah. Keith's your new daddy.
Starting point is 00:05:47 All right. That's what it sounds like to me. You can call Keith dad. His name sucks. Yeah, Keith sucks. But Dennis Rodman, we have to say, both of us, I know I'm speaking here for Jimmy as well, and he'll chime in himself. But we both, when he played, now he's out of his mind. But when he was a player i loved dennis rodman my favorite absolutely one of my favorite sports players of all time yeah of any
Starting point is 00:06:13 sport he's a lunatic yeah but a lunatic in a wonderful way absolutely he played his position to the just as hard as it could be played he was so good at the thing he wanted to be good at that no one else cared about he was amazing so and i mean that in the glowingest possible term he was amazing on the court he did it so weirdly with with flair and attention yeah he cared he gave a shit he he did so hit rebounding is his big skill that's the thing now if you're not a big basketball fan you go i don't understand how that's a big it is it's not there's stuff other than scoring second chance points can change a game absolutely and rebounding on the level he rebounds absolutely changes a game i mean it's a difference between winning and losing and it's crazy how much of a difference he makes so for a guy like that though unless you're scoring you
Starting point is 00:06:58 don't really get noticed there's no sports center highlight of you getting a nice rebound and then kicking out to isaiah th. That's not really. That's not exciting. That's not exciting. You have to dunk and then hit a three-pointer or something. So he had to make his own highlights other than just getting rebounds and doing what he did. And he did that with his insanity. Off the court and on it.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Yeah. And then it just carried over. It's like he made this persona, it feels like, to try to have some kind of persona. And then it like it took over him he's like one of these like the wrestlers we talk about who like start believing their own character and then just they're all of a sudden they're jake the snake in real life and you're like what the fuck is happening coke residue all his mustache you're like this is a mess that's that's like dennis rodman isn't good no No. And he does wrestle. But it's good for us. He does. He fits in with that whole thing very, very well. I must say, born way back.
Starting point is 00:07:49 This all started on May 13th, 1961. Okay. So 1961. He's in his 50s now. Yeah. Old Dennis. He's born in Trenton, New Jersey. So that I did not actually know before this.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Okay. His parents, his father, his father's a junior. Oh, is that right? He's not a junior his father his father's a junior oh is that right he's not a junior but his father's a junior okay his father's name is philander rodman jr i do remember that which is really perfect for his father because we'll talk about his dad philander does some philander and we'll just say i mean that's an easy joke low-hanging fruit but wow that's so apt you can't even ignore it it's like it's like he has three kids that's like if uh fat joe's name was actually fat joe when he was born yeah that's perfect part good job nice job you nailed it yeah fucking nailed it so he has his father says that okay this is amazing his his father claims to have uh 29 children with 16 women
Starting point is 00:08:49 okay so that's that's his dad yeah that's what we're talking about that's his claim that's his claim and there could be more rodman says though himself dennis will later say that he himself dennis is the oldest of 47 children now that makes sense which i wouldn't doubt if you have 29 why not 46 anything's possible if you have 29 kids you're clearly not careful at all that's not a couple accidents that's not that is on purpose almost with 16 different women good god it just feels better when you leave it in i guess so jesus christ give him a vasectomy in his sleep. You know what I mean? Wake him up with a baseball bat to the groin every day. Poison him.
Starting point is 00:09:30 I want to put something in his food every day to make him not fertile. It's a mercury poisoning or something. What makes you not fertile? I don't know. Poison Philander, please, because no one should have 47 inches. Always make microwavable popcorn right next to his balls. Always. Constantly.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Please, constantly. Put your cell phone there, everything. Just stack it right next to his balls. Always. Constantly. Please, constantly. Put your cell phone there, everything. Just stack it on top of his balls. Anything with any kind of radiation or if you have a conspiracy theory of any kind, let's test it out on him. Lead blankets at the dentist? No, he doesn't need them. No, just please.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Just check the teeth. Then he'll just make kids with five arms instead. He'll still have them. That's the problem. He's still just make kids with five arms instead. He'll still have them. That's the problem. He's still going to be fertile. Now, his father was an enlisted man in the Air Force who fought in Vietnam and everything like that. Yeah. So who knows?
Starting point is 00:10:13 These kids are all over the planet. That's the other thing. He's got kids of all stripes and creeds and colors and on different continents and everything else. You're bound to make a basketball player. You keep doing that. Eventually. You have 29 kids. One of player. You keep doing that. Eventually. If you have 29 kids, one of them is going to be athletic with 16 women. Eventually, the genetics are all going to line up.
Starting point is 00:10:31 I'm sorry. Jimmy, if you go out and have 29 children with 16 women. One of them is going to be successful. One of them is going to be a baseball player, football player, a musician. One out of 29 people are going to do well for themselves. The odds are in your favor. And then just latch on to that one. Incredible.
Starting point is 00:10:49 That's how it works here. Now, his father left his mother early. His mother's name is Shirley. He left early. He left when, I've heard different accounts, either when Dennis was three or six. It seems to be two different accounts of it. I'm not sure which one is true here.
Starting point is 00:11:05 A lot of these, it becomes lore after a while with these people. They write a book and they don't even remember. And then it gets mixed up in that. And then another family member will say something. And that'll be a fact somewhere else. So it all gets skewed. So good. Now, his father left the family and settled in the Philippines.
Starting point is 00:11:21 So he didn't even, he wasn't like, you know, in the next town. Dennis didn't see him every other weekend. He was just gone. Wow. Well, to plant that many seeds, it takes time. You need to be gone. You need space. Let's be honest here. You can't do that from home. This isn't a work-at-home type of job to do that
Starting point is 00:11:38 here. That's a lot. Now, wow. Now, Shirley, obviously, she has kids at home, him and Dennis and his sisters that she had with Philander. And she had all sorts of jobs and different jobs, many multiple jobs, up to four jobs at the same time, it said, which is insane here. In 1997, he wrote one of his books. Yeah uh books yeah he wrote so many i think this is the one i read though he was like stephen king for a while with his books like they were every year a new one's coming he had to do crazy shit to write about it so it was like if i can't just stay home
Starting point is 00:12:17 i won't be able to write this book i don't know how he got anything done uh he said in the book quote i haven't seen my father in more than 30 years so what's there to miss i just look at it like this some man brought me into this world that doesn't mean i have a father uh so yeah he eventually meets his father again in 2012 my god so yeah that long it took that's a long time what the that's he's in his 40s yeah 41 years old it was late yeah very late lord so yeah that's that's rough makes my 28 look like a 40 50 is that 50 51 years old? Yeah, it was late. Yeah, very late. Good Lord. So, yeah, that's rough. Makes my 28 look like a... 40, 50. Is that 50?
Starting point is 00:12:48 51 years old. Good Christ. He was 51 years old. What's the point? Finally saw his father. Well, his father was like, hey, how's it going, Dennis? No, he's probably, yeah, he probably needed some cash or something. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:59 At that point, you just want to meet the guy to find out what you need to look after in your own life. Yeah, what's wrong with you? Well, if he's still alive, that's a good sign, right? That's good. Hey, all right. That's helpful. Starting at a good place.
Starting point is 00:13:09 You're not dead. Did you happen to do a lot of coke and drink a lot? Because I've been doing that. I've been doing that. So how's that affect the body there? How is that? Your liver okay? Everything good?
Starting point is 00:13:18 Strong liver. Okay, good. You got water on the brain at all? Anything? A little bit, something. How are your hips? Because my left one's a little sore playing basketball so he has two sisters deborah and kim and they all grew up in in dallas
Starting point is 00:13:31 in a not a nice neighborhood yeah poor area they were very poor uh he was kind of a kind of a mama's boy as a child uh when he was four there's a famous account here that he said i think in his book here that uh he didn't want to she sent him to uh like nursery school when he was four years old he wouldn't like do anything or move because he was sad that his mother wasn't there and shit like that uh dennis is actually has a real i mean i don't want to speak for him obviously but from everything he said publicly seems to have quite the gripe with his mom. Dennis, yeah, his behavior with women later on sort of makes sense in how he views his mother
Starting point is 00:14:10 and his sisters and shit like that. You go, well, if you have that view, you're not going to have a real healthy view about women. Any woman in your life at all. Yeah, it's just not. And we don't know how true this is or if this is just perceived. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:14:23 When you're a kid, sometimes you perceive shit that's not even true because you feel bad about yourself because your dad left. So you know what I'm saying? Believe me. We know where you're at here, Dennis. I feel it, sir. It's a weird thing that you have when you're a kid when your family's not exactly perfect.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Yeah, that is interesting, too, because just from that book, from where I stopped paying attention to what Dennis Rodman was doing in his life, he had his daughter on a goddamn pedestal. And that's very strange, too, because I do the same with my daughter. She's everything. But we'll talk about how much of a pedestal, really. It's a public pedestal, we'll say. But we'll get some comments from the mother of his kids about how much of a pedestal it is in reality.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Really? Yeah, that sort of thing here. So, this... Yeah, his sisters were good at basketball. They were tall. His sisters are like 6'1 and 6'2, and they're good at basketball, and they had a lot of attention put on them for that, and he was
Starting point is 00:15:24 like a joke. His sisters were better that. And he was like a joke. His sisters were better at basketball than he was as a kid. He was a short kid. He wasn't a big guy at all. He has a very different, most of these people we talk about, especially in the NBA, baseball, it's different. They could come up at any size, any whatever. Boxing, same thing.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Basketball, usually it's like, well, from the time he was 11, he was put in a special program and he killed four people and they were like, it's okay, little buddy, here, we'll teach you how to shoot layups with your left hand. You know what I'm saying? You're special. With Dennis, he was never special, ever, as a kid. He was not any kind of, his sisters were the special ones. Deborah and Kim were all Americans at Louisiana Tech and Stephen F. Austin Universities.
Starting point is 00:16:07 So they were, you know, his sister won two national titles, for Christ's sake. Debra did with Louisiana Tech. So that's, you know. Did she ever play in the, well, I guess she was probably too early for the WMU. That was way early. That was the 80s. This was going on here. So, I mean, this was a serious thing here.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Rodman was considered the fuck up of the family that's all here uh now he uh goes to south oak cliff high school in dallas in gym class his teacher is gary blair who will later be the texas a&m basketball coach which is very strange here it's good for him and uh yeah this guy coached both his sisters and the school won three state championships from that so obviously he was a good coach and his sisters are very talented and they don't nobody gives a shit about dennis he said that in his own words he wasn't really able to even hit a layup in high school he was so shitty it didn't change through the nba yeah he was still pretty bad he was still offensively not very great as a freshman freshman, he was only 5'6". No kidding? In high school.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Freshman in high school, 5'6". He played one year of junior varsity basketball and then was cut in his sophomore year. And he never could make the varsity team, and he got cut from the football team, never made the football team. So he was totally devastated. Because in his family, his sisters were getting all this praise and everything through athletics. And he was like, oh, yeah, that's what we do and then no what the shit he uh not quite is this true this is yeah he was a small guy when he graduated from high school he was 5 11 well what the shit it was 5 11 you were bigger than him it's the weirdest thing it's so strange
Starting point is 00:17:42 growth spurts how they have most of these kids they have them at you know 13 14 and then they put on a couple extra this guy is 5 11 when he graduated when you graduate that's you look at a guy you don't go well he'll get taller you just go that's pretty much what you are now it makes so much sense why he looks like a deer now well yeah because it just happened late he still isn't used to it he isn't no he isn't that's the way he was uh after this this is in a year he shot up like a you know 10 inches basically nine inches in in you know the next two years wow from 18 to 20 which just does not happen no it's just not a thing that happens it's the he has the weirdest life this guy uh It's very strange. So apparently after high school, at some point his mom kicks him out of the house and he's homeless for a while.
Starting point is 00:18:29 And he's sleeping on couches and shit like that in his car. When he's 20, now think about when most of our NBA guys are 20. They're either already in the NBA on our show. Or they got two years. Or they're in a major college program and they're having all this. Or they got two years. Or they're in a major college program and they're having all this. He, on the other hand, is taking a job as a janitor at the airport in Dallas.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Oh, God, Jesus, the worst. Yeah, night shift, by the way. Oh, even worse. He's working overnight. There's not even people there. It's just him walking with a mop bucket. It's him walking with a mop bucket and me stranded at gate B-22 going, where the fuck's my plane? He's just walking around fighting Pac-Man jones that's all he's maybe that guy's a future dennis rodman maybe he just sprouted up the guy who fought pac-man i had no idea that's yeah he's working as a janitor
Starting point is 00:19:16 at the dallas airport when he's 20 years old he hasn't really even played sports no he has he's played one year of junior varsity basketball and got cut cut. And got cut. That's it. So, I mean, he's not, this is not the, not anywhere near the trajectory of our normal NBA player or any of our sport athletes. The only time once in a while an MMA fighter or a boxer at 20 is still rudderless and doesn't even know he wants to do what he's doing. Or that baseball player. Who was the one that just picked up baseball in college? Was it Toe Nash later on?
Starting point is 00:19:46 Was it Toe or was it fucking Lenny Dykstra? No, no, no, definitely. But no, baseball's a hard thing. But you never see this. No. Even guys who later on, Hakeem Olajuwon didn't play bad. He still played in high, teenager. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Coming into his own time. Yeah, he's 20. He still has no- The man's got a day job. Yeah, this is he's 20. He still has no. The man's got a day job. Yeah. Oh, he's got a day job, night job. For Christ's sake. Worse than a day job.
Starting point is 00:20:11 As a matter of fact, he wishes he had a day. Yeah. He's like, if I could, if I could only get on eight to four, my life would be different. I could get a girlfriend. This pays a dollar more an hour. That's the glory shift, though. Really, Jimmy that's the that's the that's the glory shift though really jimmy that's the problem it's the glory shift and you gotta there's politics involved you know that goes you gotta know somebody nothing is more political there's
Starting point is 00:20:34 certain things you know the the old timey uh the old timey system in new york under that tammany hall and chicago politics and also also the Dallas Airport Janitorial Custodial Services. Politics. So thick. It's thick. You've got to know people. You've got to be bred into it. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:20:54 What did your dad do? If he was a janitor, like a custodial supervisor, then you could. But Philander, he's not anywhere to be found. He's not helping Dennis. You think one of his brothers or sisters could help him out of the 29? Somebody give me a fucking job. Jesus. So one night he is at the airport and there's conflicting reports of how this ended up happening.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Some people, I think he said it was on a dare. Other people said he just did it. But he finds the gift shop at the airport one night when everyone's gone and i think it's through an air vent jimmy something open and ends up stealing 50 watches from the gift shop what the fuck okay so he steals 50 watches so he's a dude he works at the airport at night and he's still for gift shop watches airport gift shop watches so he gift shop watches. Good Lord. He's got 50 watches.
Starting point is 00:21:46 So the weird part, he doesn't take them and pawn them or anything like that. He just gives them to his friends. He's just like, I got watches and just starts giving them out to his friends. I don't know. It says DFW. It's all for you. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Here. There's a picture of a plane on it. It says Hudson News. I'm sorry. I'm not sure if you want that. Yeah. Sorry about that. It's got an Evian logo on it. I think it's a sponsorship thing. I'm sorry. I'm sure if you want that. Yeah. Sorry about that. It's got an Evian logo on it, and I think it's a sponsorship thing.
Starting point is 00:22:07 I'm not positive, but it's so stupid. So he does that. He just said he wanted his friends to think he was cool, basically. That's all he was looking for. But he gets arrested for it because it wasn't too hard to figure out who it was. And there's surveillance cameras all over airports, even in the 80s. So it caught him pretty easily. Hey over airports even in the 80s yeah so you know they caught him pretty easily hey isn't that the janitor who's really tall all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:22:30 yeah he wasn't six months ago but he wasn't yesterday boy is that the janitor he looks taller than usual jesus christ so uh he's arrested he spends a night in jail here now what he ends up doing though is basically because he works there and i guess he was a good employee they make a deal with him basically where he will not have charges pressed against him if he gets all the watches back so he has to go to all his friends and collect all these 50 watches back and he does and he turns them all in and he gets remembered who he gave oh he figured it out yeah he if it's that or go or get charged with get charged with robbery and theft and all this shit and lose your job. I guess he probably lost his job anyway.
Starting point is 00:23:09 But, you know, he figured it out and they dropped the charges against him. So that was good. That was really lucky for him here. Lucky his friends covered a fucking Evian watch. Yeah. So sweet. It's a sweet Evian. Dude, that's a hot shit Evian you got there.
Starting point is 00:23:22 It's fucking dope. I had a Fiji, but that's a little classier. Slightly classier's fucking dope I had a Fiji but that's a little classier slightly classier nah that Dasani didn't work at all it stopped ticking I threw it in the garbage the first day I got it it was a pile of shit the Aquafina wouldn't even tick I don't know what the hell with that thing was stopped on a time it wasn't you find me a boss I'll suck your dick oh well that's a different story that That's the Rolex of sponsorship airport gift shop. Or the bottle of water. The Rolex of airport gift shop sponsor watches is Voss, obviously.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Voss is amazing. We all know that. So he ends up, he's kind of hanging around, and he plays a little ball on the street and shit like that because he's fucking six foot eight. And he's good now because he's, the thing is he throws himself in everything with gusto. And that's the other reason why in the NBA he throws himself into everything with gusto. He doesn't have the skills that everybody else has.
Starting point is 00:24:16 These guys have been doing this on organized teams and running these drills and all this shit since they were seven. He's not done any of that. So he doesn't have the ball handling he doesn't have the basic normal just skills that you build up over the years of not having to think when you do something right watch gordon memory watch gordon ramsey chop an onion oh god that is terrifying and then you chop an onion and it doesn't look like the same thing i look i look i look so stupid and you can chop an onion. Yeah. It takes forever. But that's the difference between someone who's not a professional basketball player
Starting point is 00:24:50 handling a basketball and a person who has had a basketball attached to them since they were seven. It's a different amount of skill. But he's out there. And a friend of his, I guess, knows the head coach of the Cook County College, which is now North Central Texas College, which is in Gainesville, Texas. And they recruit him. No kidding.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Want to come play here? It's just some shitty little college. And you're the tallest guy we can find. I'd love it. And he said, sure. And he goes there and he averaged 17.6 points and 13.3 rebounds. Jesus. Does great.
Starting point is 00:25:24 And then quits because he can't handle the schoolwork. Really? He has no interest in the schoolwork whatsoever and doesn't want to do it and just ends up quitting. Dennis. Dennis, yeah. So somehow he ends up at Southeastern Oklahoma State. Yes. Okay, which obviously the huge powerhouse.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Oh, God. Here, I have a list of, right here, hold on, of their alumni, NBA alumni. You know, and it's, you got a pen? Yep. Okay, it's Dennis Rodman. Yep. Okay, so he was at a basketball camp. End of list.
Starting point is 00:25:55 That's it. He's the only NBA player that's ever played for Southeastern Oklahoma State. Dennis Keith, nobody. Nobody else. That's it. He's the list. So he played at a basketball camp there. He worked at a basketball camp there with kids, I guess.
Starting point is 00:26:08 It was part of being on the team, I suppose, pre his freshman year or whatever it would be, I guess his sophomore year. By the way, he's like 22 at this point. And then he's just starting college. But he doesn't have any kids. And that's amazing. That is kind of actually remarkable for our guys anyway for anyone we do on crime and sports the man's into his 20s he's ahead of himself here yeah he's in college
Starting point is 00:26:31 he's in his 20s he's in college and has no children this is incredible he's way ahead of the game but he's also like 10 million behind some of our guys in dollars right so it's really it's a sliding scale so he strikes up a relationship with a kid here he uh everybody everybody every thing you read about it they always say strikes up strikes up i'm like how do you strike up a relationship with a child but it's a weird thing to say i just that's why i had to use the terminology they all use like a weird thing to say i don't know he became friends with a 13 year old kid uh 13 year old little kid named uh brin or brian i don't know it's b-r- 13-year-old kid. 13-year-old little kid named Bryn or Brian. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:07 It's B-R-Y-N-E. Is that someone's wise-ass attempt at Brian? It's got to be, right? Or Bryn? I'm not sure. It can't be Bryn. That's a girl's name, right? I hope not.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Bryn. God damn it. Don't you dare name a boy Bryn. Is it Bryn? It could be. Like Ryan? Like Ryan Sandberg? Isn't quite Ryan?
Starting point is 00:27:23 Yeah. Maybe this is Bryn. It better be Bryn. Yeah. We're going to call't quite Ryan. Yeah. Maybe this is Brian. It better be Brian. Yeah. We're going to call him Brian for now. Oh, God. Like we're making fucking pickled eggs or something. We're going to call him Brian.
Starting point is 00:27:33 So Brian Rich here. This kid is 13 years old, and he's a little white kid. And we only say that because it's important in a minute here, because you'll find out why. It's important in a minute here because you'll find out why. This kid, Jesus Christ, had recently accidentally killed his best friend in a hunting accident. Oh, Jesus. So he was a fucking disaster, obviously.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Can you imagine? A 13-year-old child who seriously, accidentally, not like small-town murder accidentally, literally accidentally didn't mean to do it. Like the ducks flew, he turned shot shot right took his friend's head head of a fucking top of his head off clean or some shit who knows what happened but i guess this kid now has been having uh nightmares yeah hardcore ptsd fuck you for a child who shot his best friend to death by accident so this basketball camp they're trying to to get him out and to do stuff. He hasn't slept in his own bed since it happened. Ruin this kid.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Just ruin him. It's over. He's destroyed, right? And now he's going to hang out with Dennis Rodman? So he befriends Dennis Rodman, who's at this point a community college dropout basketball janitor watch thief. That's who he is. He's played a couple months of junior college basketball and a little junior varsity. This is amazing.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Some tall guy. So they become friends somehow, which is just the strangest Michael Jackson, Macaulay Culkin. And I don't mean this in a molesty way, but weird Macaulay Culkin relationship. It's a strange pairing. It's a strange pairing. It's not like he's 17 and this kid's 13. It's the worst buddy cop ever. Yeah. It's the worst. It's like Burt Reynolds and this kid's 13 it's the worst buddy cop ever yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:29:05 it's the worst it's a very it's like burt reynolds and a little black kid in that in the 80s fucking opposite yeah but if burt reynolds was a fucking lunatic and washed up with nothing okay uh dennis rodman by the way idea for you do a movie where you and a little white kid are solving crimes because that's fucking hilarious and have to that would be hilarious yeah court order like that has to be you and just a shitty little white kid who you like won't take to you know starbucks or whatever the fuck he wants you're not having it some ratty ass kid yeah you're not having it you little bastard with btsd from fucking killing his best friend unbelievable and he's like at least your friend doesn't have to talk to you now because i'm stuck with you and you know quick know, quippy lines like that, Dennis.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Some snappy shit that cuts and hurts. Dialogue. Comedy. Bring it back. So this poor kid who's befriended Dennis Rodman. After he eats something really fast. Boy, you really murdered that. Murdered that steak, boy.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Tell you something. So they become best pals. okay uh best pals here uh he ends up basically moving on to their farm of their family while he's at southeastern oklahoma state uh which is by the way he's a three-time uh like i think it's small college all-american like it's the n-a- the NAIA or whatever it is. Yeah. So he's a beast in college. But he ends up moving in with this family.
Starting point is 00:30:31 They invite him. It's in rural Oklahoma. With Brian's family. Yeah, with Brian's family. And apparently at first, okay, the kid invited him. And they're like, well, they want to make the kid feel better. So they let his friend from basketball camp come. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:30:46 But they are self-avowed very racist. Really? They don't hide. They're not like saying, no, we were well. They were like, we didn't like that he was black and coming into our fucking house. Like they were absolutely up front with it. All black and eating our food. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Oh, they called him the N-word. No kidding? Absolutely called him to his face the N-word. They say that. Not just him. Wow. They said they called him the N-word. So he shows up. They called him the n-word no absolutely called him to his face the n-word they say that not just him wow they said they called him the n-word so he shows up they call him the n-word thanks for making our kid feel better you want something to eat huh the fuck am i what's happening what's going on and he's stuck around i'm going to the philippines i know what my and he's stuck around it's very strange i don't know i mean i'm not sure but is that how bad his life is elsewhere that he's just like i'll put up with this shit pretty
Starting point is 00:31:32 much they but they were in the end they said they were so they were so happy and so like indebted to him for making their son not a vegetable anymore like coming out of his shell sure that uh they they said they were able to set aside their their racial animus the mother pat here this is this woman's quote i have a quote from this woman this is amazing by the way she the first sentence is the amazing part because the rest of it is just yeah stupid but the first sentence is like why is that weird if you okay quote it was weird dennis just started bonding with us we forgot that he was black we just looked at his inner being well then it was weird it's so strange when you talk to a human being and you're like i thought you were an alien because your skin is slightly darker than mine
Starting point is 00:32:22 because dennis isn't even that black and you're like you know then i realized holy shit you're just like a weird hey do you know they like just watch tv and read and eat food like everybody i didn't know that i had no idea i heard you just ate baby hearts and shit what the fuck is she talking about it was weird why is it weird it was weird i just became friends with a man i talked to a person talk to a person and we just you know connected on a human level. We realized that we breathe air and we drink water and shit. Super weird. Did you know that black people don't have gills?
Starting point is 00:32:52 Because I thought under their rib cage, that's what I always imagined. I didn't know. Jesus Christ. When I talked to Dennis and he set me straight, they don't have gills. What a stupid thing to say out loud. She said that to a reporter who had a tape recorder running. She said, it was weird. We just started bonding.
Starting point is 00:33:12 We forgot he was even black. I mean, who could? Unbelievable. You know how it goes. So he said, though, he basically loved being with this family. He felt like it was like a family. It was a stable life, a stable environment. It was a farm.
Starting point is 00:33:27 He said he went from being like inner city Dallas to quote, driving a tractor and messing with cows. So he was just, he turned into Dennis Rodman cowboy. Yeah, that's the one thing with Dennis Rodman. He'll adapt to his surroundings. Like he's a chameleon. He can deal. He'll change his color, his hair color.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Legitimately change his color and change his attitude. He'll just do whatever he needs to do here. So, yeah, he apparently for some reason, though, in 2013, everybody says this in 2013. He stopped communicating with this family and they don't know why. They're like, I don't know what the hell happened to him, but not sure. Maybe he got a new pen pal. Not positive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:04 He found another Corey Feldman. He's going to start hanging out with now it's another old joke yeah yeah he's like i'm sorry man me and kim jong that's the same time what are you guys the fucking dictator you guys like yeah are you starving how many millions of people are you starving at that huh that's real power now that's power start calling yourself the supreme something, and we'll talk out of you. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I mean, they say he doesn't shit. Yeah. Yeah. He's a perfectly efficient being. He holds it inside.
Starting point is 00:34:29 No, he's a perfectly efficient being. Right, right. He uses the waist. His body runs at 100% efficiency, they say. Literally. Incredible. That everything, he's got perfectly balanced. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:34:38 What a dickhead. So, Jesus. Southeastern Oklahoma State. We'll buzz through this because no one cares about those stats. But, yeah, he played in 30 games his freshman year 26 points a game 13.1 rebounds he is 22 playing against 17 year olds also is the other thing which doesn't hurt but they also all have played more basketball than him so he's kind of at a disadvantage next year he plays sophomore year 32 games uh 26.8 points a game 15.9 rebounds jumping them off an
Starting point is 00:35:07 absolute monster in that in that in that small college environment if you see i'm playing the nba and he was doing that to you know akim al-ajawan right you can imagine what he was like with these guys here uh 34 games this next year 24.4 points 17.8 rebounds per game, which is just ridiculous. And tons of blocks, too. I mean, he's dominating. Stealing balls. He's averaging two steals a game. That's great.
Starting point is 00:35:32 He's nasty. He's very nasty. Did he play center in college, or was he playing power forward again? I'm not positive in southeastern Oklahoma State. Could have been small forward. Who even fucking knows? Who knows? They could have just had him be, you're the center because you can rebound.
Starting point is 00:35:44 So who knows? I don't know if they had a seven-footer down him to be, you're the center because you can rebound. So who knows? I don't know if they had a seven-footer down there or not or anybody who's 6'11 or whatever. But June 17th, 1986 is the NBA draft. And now this, by the way, a little thing here. The Detroit Pistons in 1982 acquired their second-round draft pick from the Cleveland Cavaliers four years earlier for a guy named Steve Hayes. So in the end,
Starting point is 00:36:10 the Pistons traded Steve Hayes and got Dennis Rodman. Wow. So not a bad trade in the four years in the future. The second round? Yeah, that was the second round. This is the year Brad Doherty,
Starting point is 00:36:19 the first overall pick, Len Bias, died the day he got drafted of a cocaine overdose Chris Washburn Chuck Person Kenny Walker the uh big kid and play flat topped uh always in the dunk contests with the Knicks I liked him Roy Tarpley yeah was one of our guys of course he was a goddamn disaster by the way one of the things that happens to Dennis Rodman later on in the newspaper like thing that I found of of like the blurb of
Starting point is 00:36:45 that right under that was alvin alvin robertson arrested for burglary and resisting arrest and i was like oh i've read this whole thing before this whole goddamn page is my jam but i mean this this draft has a lot of people you've heard ron harper johnny dawkins john sally yeah a lot of people you've heard of and that's the first for scott skiles who's still a coach sabonis i think we've gone through this whole goddamn draft before we have yeah 86 probably mark price was drafted first in the second round number 27 overall here uh second round the detroit pistons pick dennis rodman yes from southeastern oklahoma state did you just tell me that mark price and brad doherty both got drafted same year by the calves in the same year same Unbelievable. They drafted their boring 90s team all at once.
Starting point is 00:37:27 That is incredible. Mark Eaton and all that shit. Ready to score 64 points a game and bore the shit out of anyone watching. Frustrate and bore the pants off of you. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Kevin Duckworth was later on in that draft, too. He was a piece of shit, wasn't he? No, he was okay.
Starting point is 00:37:41 David Wingate, though, also later on. We'll have an episode about him one day he's did some bad stuff here uh but yeah he's picked there so good for him pick this was when the draft had seven rounds by the way that's a long guy yeah now it's two that's it so he gets drafted by detroit goes to detroit in 1986 87 and this is the this team in detroit is uh oh boy this is quite the squad of a team a good team. Man, there's some beastly people on this team, too. This is, these guys,
Starting point is 00:38:06 this is the bad boys. If you don't know about basketball, I guess we have to fill people in. If you don't know about basketball, this era of Detroit basketball, Detroit Pistons, they were called the bad boys, and they were just,
Starting point is 00:38:17 they would beat the shit out of people during games. They were tough. It was all elbows, and they would beat the shit out of people. Bill Lambeer. Lambeer's the,er's the most stereotypical. Then there was Joe Dumars,
Starting point is 00:38:30 I say, Thomas, that whole crew, Johnson off the bench, and Mark Aguirre on the team. Yeah, not Johnson, I meant Mark Aguirre off the bench. They were a nasty squad,
Starting point is 00:38:39 those Pistons teams. And he fits perfectly into this team. Shit, yeah. And the whole, he fits Detroit. He's into this team. He fits Detroit. He's good for Detroit. He is Detroit. They like effort and they want to punch in the mouth. It's a lot like Philly. They want somebody that's why they love
Starting point is 00:38:53 Lenny Dykstra. He'll run into the wall with his head. They appreciate that. Those cities like that, they appreciate it. New York, if you're a crazy person, they appreciate you. Lenny Dykstra, also very popular there. That tells you a lot. Gritty cities. Gritty cities.
Starting point is 00:39:07 They like it. So he plays in 77 games. Only starts one, but he's barely played basketball, for Christ's sake. So that's even amazing that he does that here. But he ends up only 4.3 rebounds per game here because he's hardly playing. Six and a half points per game. They haven't figured out how to use him yet. And he's only playing 15 minutes a half points per game they haven't uh figured out how to use him yet and the minute he's only playing 15 minutes a game too so very very low
Starting point is 00:39:29 it's at this point that uh he starts running his mouth for the first time in the press and he says that larry bird is overrated he's a rookie larry bird's won three mvps already at this point has multiple rings like he says larry bird's overrated because he's white, and he's a shitty white player that just is overrated, and people like him because he's white. Now, that's true a lot of times. Christian Laettner existed as a... He was on the Dream Team for a reason.
Starting point is 00:39:59 It's a big deal. Yeah, they were like, all we have is Stockton? Jesus Christ. And Bird, too? All right, we'll put Laettner on there, I guess. They need three, I guess. His name's Christian. He's so wholesome.
Starting point is 00:40:08 It's weird. Yeah, so there was not a lot of... That happens a lot. You see guys, white dudes in basketball that are... I mean, obviously, you got your Dirk Nowitzkis, and you got your guys like that who are as good as anybody, but... And your Del Currys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:23 There you go. And your Del Currys. Oh, yeah. There you go. A lot of times, though, they get a little more leeway because it's always been the rule back in the day. Like in the early 60s, it was always like two black players per team. That was like the unspoken rule in the NBA. And they kind of went from there. And the ABA kind of when they started having success with more players.
Starting point is 00:40:45 A salary cap. A blackery cap. Yeah. Well, when teams, and then some team is going to go, fuck that. I'm going to get a bunch of guys that are good. And then you have a team of five black guys who are crushing everybody. They just got the best players. How about I just want talent?
Starting point is 00:40:56 And yeah, then everyone went, well, we have to compete with them. We'll just make sure we get the best players instead of, you know, certain amounts. Who gives a shit what color they are? That's the thing. I just wanted to put the fucking ball in the hoop. They were always worried in the NBA for some reason. They were always worried that no one will go watch black guys play basketball. And it's like, you know what they'll watch?
Starting point is 00:41:14 People who are good at basketball, playing basketball. That's what people want to watch. Harlan Boltsotters aren't even in a league and they sell out everywhere. Yeah. They want to watch. It's a blast. Yeah. You want to watch somebody who's much better than you at what's happening.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Whatever it is. Whatever it is. So whoever the best you can get is. That's a figure. If I'm going to pay you money, get the fucking best. If you're going to if you're a circus, you're going to show me an elephant. It better be the biggest fucking elephant you can find for my ticket price. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:41:38 Make it do more shit. Yeah, I can make it do it. An elephant do biggest elephant standing on the smallest ball. That's what I'm saying. That's what I want out of you. Here's my kid smile i'm just kidding so yeah he says that uh then he people got uh mad about that obviously and so he said quote the only thing i'm sorry about is that now some people are calling dennis rodman a racist i'm not a racist i lived with a white family several years several years ago they know i'm not a racist. I lived with a white family several years ago.
Starting point is 00:42:06 They know I'm not a racist, and they called me the N-word. He didn't say that part, but he said, and there's no way anyone who really knows me would think that I'm a racist. I made the comments about Bird because there's a lot of other players in our league, black and white, who don't get the recognition they deserve. I think that's something that should be looked at, is what he said he said magic got screwed out of the mvp last year because he said because i get like got larry bird got it instead he said bird can't run he's slow he's white uh that's the only reason he gets the mvp nobody gives magic johnson credit so uh and i don't disagree
Starting point is 00:42:42 with him larry bird was the least fun to watch. Yeah. Oh, he's like watching paint dry, but for fuck's sake, he ends up stealing the ball somehow and getting it. I don't know what that is. It's amazing. He's one of those guys where you don't know how he's doing it, but somehow he's just amazing out there. You want to be like, I'll show you guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Swap the ball from him. It's that easy. He fucking holds it in front of your face. He's not even good at this. He run around him he's really slow he dribbles it really fucking high yeah oh christ he said quote i said that i said he was overrated but please tell people i didn't use the word white i'm not racist but then later on he said it yeah so uh pat riley uh he said about him because they had played the Lakers and Celtics had played. He said that, quote, there must be a wind tunnel between those years. Making a comment like that is totally out of line.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And yeah, he says no one's giving him shit, though. And he says it's fine. He says, quote, but there's no way I think Bird's the greatest player of all time. I don't think anyone ever said that. No. Except that outside of French Lick, Indiana outside of... French Lick, Indiana. Outside of French Lick, Indiana and the greater Boston metropolitan area,
Starting point is 00:43:49 no one's ever said those words. No. If they've ever seen Wilt Chamberlain or Michael Jordan or Oscar Robertson or a lot of other guys that are way fucking better than Larry Bird. Or Sean Kemp. Or, well, no.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Much more fun to watch. Fun to watch. Fuck yeah. Bird's a better player than Sean Kemp, but fuck yeah. Oh, God, yeah. Way better. I'd rather watch.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Sean Kemp's not a fucking MVP. I'd rather watch Detlef Schrempf than Larry Bird. Shit. Schrempf was like Bird that you can see. Yeah, that's how it's supposed to work. Right. Stand still and shoot. Stand there, David.
Starting point is 00:44:20 You're much better from right there in the corner. Just do that. Yeah. Look at Chris Mullen. Be him. Flats off and everything. Yeah, so anyway, he says that he knows they're going to hate him up in Boston now. And he said, quote, but that's not a town I visit much on my own anyway.
Starting point is 00:44:36 They can do whatever they want to me up there next year as long as they don't kill me. So that's fair. He'll take his lumps. So 87-88 with Detroit. This is when they start their little run here under Chuck Daly, of course. And this is they've in the playoffs. They have a regular season, 54-28 playoffs. They beat the Bullets 3-2 when the Bullets were still a team.
Starting point is 00:44:56 They beat the Bulls 4-1 when they were still frustrating. I think that was the first year they had Pippen. Was it? Yeah, I think that was Pippen's first year with the Bulls. So they still hadn't put it all together yet. Jordan was still in his third year. Then they beat the Celtics in six games in the Eastern Conference finals. And then they go all the way to the finals to face the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Oh, boy. And this was a big showdown here. This was like the gritty elbow in the face to the finesse Showtime Lakers. Oh, boy, were they good. This was exact opposite, heads bumping, and it goes all seven games. No kidding? Absolutely, and the Lakers win this one. I think this is the last of their Showtime run, and then they went in the shitter for a while, and it wasn't great.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Magic had AIDS. Magic, and then Magic got AIDS. James Worthy was too old. He still doesn't have AIDS. No, he doesn't. Magic. He never got it. Never will, damn it. He's too strong. He is. He's Magic. magic got aids and james worthy was too old he still doesn't have aids no he doesn't he never got it never will damn it he's too strong he is he's magic so uh he's if anything's magic that is
Starting point is 00:45:52 so this day this year he plays in all 82 games dennis does starts 32 of them averages 11.6 points a game which you know not too bad half a block 87 rebounds. 26.2 minutes a game. So still hasn't come into his own completely yet. But he's working on it. His free throw, by the way, is terrible. He's like a 50% free throw shooter. Not a good shooter, Dennis. Makes $160,000 for this year.
Starting point is 00:46:18 And has a child. Has a daughter named Alexis with his later on wife. He's his girlfriend for a long time. They get married. Is it Cherie or some shit like that? No, this is Annie. Oh, that was close. Annie Bakes.
Starting point is 00:46:30 He's married to several different women. He's got all sorts of relationships, Dennis Rodman. Annie is the first one. Annie Bakes is her first, which sounds like an Etsy brownie shop. Can you get brownies on Etsy? I'm sure. I imagine. So, 88, 89 P Etsy? I'm sure. I imagine. So, 88-89 Pistons here.
Starting point is 00:46:48 They're 63-19. No kidding. Fucking good. Yeah, they're a nasty team, man. Really, really nasty. And they sweep the Celtics in the first round this year. So, this is when the Celtics were over. It's over.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Celtics and Lakers. That was their last hurrah. And they knocked them both off. They lost to the Lakers, but knocked the Celtics off. And then they sweeped the Bucs 4-0 here in a seven-game series. Then they beat the Bulls in six games. So, again, frustrating Michael Jordan, making him hate the Pistons a little more. Giving him a reason.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Yeah, and then a rematch with the Lakers in the finals this year. This time, Pistons sweep the Lakers. My Christ. Four games to zero, and the Lakers in the finals this year. This time, Piston sweeped the Lakers. My Christ. Four games to zero, and the Lakers are completely done, and now it's bad boy time in Detroit. This time, plays in 82 games again, averages nine points a game, 9.4 rebounds a game, so he's getting there. His totals are going up every year, almost a whole block a game. Every game of the season, he played it.
Starting point is 00:47:44 That's amazing. Every game. He only started eight. Yeah. But he played in every one. Almost a whole block a game. Every game of the season. He played it. That's amazing. Every game. He only started eight. Yeah. But he played in every one. Oh, yeah. He's coming right off the bench. He's probably their sixth man, I would say.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Or something like that. Sixth or seventh, anyway. He makes $550,000. Okay. So that's not bad. And that's more money than he thought he was ever going to make. Ever. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:48:01 At the airport? You could work your whole life as a night janitor at the airport, and you're not going to make $550,000. You're going to have to steal a lot of watches. Yeah, you're going to have to supplement with a lot of gift shop watches there. So 89-90, 59-23 the Pistons are. This year they sweep the Pacers in the first round. They beat the Knicks in five games in the second round.
Starting point is 00:48:20 This time it goes seven games with the Bulls, and they beat the Bulls again. My word. So this was like seething Michael Jordan going home just staring at pictures of Isaiah Thomas on his wall. Fucking angry, I'm sure. And four to one, they beat the Trailblazers and win the title again. Okay. So now he's a two-time champion, and also Dennis is an all-star this year. No shit.
Starting point is 00:48:42 He's 8.8 points a game, which is not terrible. 9.7 rebounds. So he's doing well. He's doing his thing. 10 points and basically almost 10 and 10. Yeah. And I think he's on as a reserve. And he is also, the thing with him, though, why he's an all-star is because his defense is out fucking standing.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Yeah. He is absolutely nasty with the rebounding and everything else he is the nba defensive player of the year as a matter of fact so he's he's tough and his stats don't do him justice no they don't he's not his coach chuck daly who you know coached multiple champions he says quote there's never been a player like him i love him i'll endorse him anywhere as a coach uh you go to the wall for a guy like that He'll win you six to ten games a year without even scoring. So that says a lot about a guy. You don't hear coaches say shit like that.
Starting point is 00:49:31 No, you need that guy. You need that guy. And he says that his success in rebounding comes from wanting it badder than the other guy. He says, quote, I work my ass off, that's all. People ask, how do you dig a 50-foot hole? You dig. How do I get offensive rebounds? I go get the damn basketball. That's all. People ask, how do you dig a 50-foot hole? You dig. How do I get offensive rebounds? I go get the damn basketball.
Starting point is 00:49:47 That's it. He also has a knack and an eye for knowing which way the fucking ball's going to go. He absolutely knows where it goes. It is unbelievable. He knows exactly where it's going to go. He can watch the spin of the ball and where it's going to hit the rim, and he knows where that ball's going. I bet if he played since he was a little kid, he would have been a great baseball player
Starting point is 00:50:02 because he can pick up spin of a ball, and he's got great eye to be able to see because he can see you see him going already before the ball hits the rim you see him cheating to where the ball's gonna end up which is incredible and you know what else is doing it for him it's just him that's why that extra step is what gets him re because he's not taller than everyone else he does not more athletic no he's just you can't jump higher he just jumps the right direction and he tips it to He does that volleyball tip where he'll just keep doing it until he gets it. He'll dive into a... There's one of these where some girl got all her teeth knocked out because he dove in the front row after a ball and knee took her teeth out and shit.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Oh, Jesus. So he's a crazy player. I saw him on Pros vs. Joes. Remember that show? Yes. That show, if you don't know what it is, it's a show where they get professional athletes to play their games against regular dudes who think they're like hot shit, basically. The guy at the gym who thinks he's good. It's amazing watching some of these guys.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Humbling a guy with a day job that should never play this sport. It must be so, because Dennis Rodman, watching a guy play basketball against Dennis Rodman, it was a rebounding contest. And to watch Rodman just be like, oh, once in a while he'd have to take two steps, and then he'd tip the ball to himself twice. Got that one. Okay, and just put it back real quick. All right, got that.
Starting point is 00:51:13 I think I'm winning. It was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen, watching a normal human try to rebound on this guy. So I'm going to go ahead and say it now. He's a goddamn two-time champion nba defensive player of the year chuck chuck daly would endorse him anywhere yeah grace that's it that's grace i think for now he's gonna have more ups but there's also some downs coming in here uh 90 91 season 50 and 32 with the old pistons again uh this year they beat the hawks in the first round with
Starting point is 00:51:42 dominique wilkins and all those guys eastern conference Conference semifinals, it is a six-game series. They win against the Celtics, further knocking the Celtics down. Go to the Eastern Conference finals against the Bulls again, and the Bulls this time sweep them 4-0. So this was when the Bulls took over as the Eastern Conference force. It went from Boston to Detroit to Chicago. And this was,is would later say they were just frustrating as shit they for the first like two or three games they couldn't even figure out what the hell they were doing scheme wise pippen was on his game he said jordan was
Starting point is 00:52:15 on his game horace grant was on his game it was a triangle offense it was tough yeah it was really they just didn't know what the fuck is this what was going on on. Dennis plays in all 82 games. Starts 77 this year, which is great. 8.2 points. 12.5 rebounds a game now this year. Good Lord. And one assist, which is funny. That's hysterical.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Just one kick out. So, yeah, apparently in the playoffs, one of the games, game four, the final game, Brodman pushed Scottie Pippen out of bounds and cut his chin open. He fell on something and cut his chin open, had to get a bunch of stitches, and he ends up being fined $5,000 for that. And NBA director of operations here said, quote, we looked at the facts and made a judgment. We had our security people investigate, and we feel he was seriously contrite.
Starting point is 00:53:05 The fine was for pushing Pippen. So, yeah. Was that on the sideline near, like, the table? The scorer's table? If I remember so, yeah. I believe so. I see Pippen holding the ball and, like, wrestling it away from, and he just two-armed shoved it. Something like that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:18 I think that's right. It was a clear show. It was not even disguised. It was like, fuck this guy. We're getting swept. I don't give a shit. Who cares? We're getting swept. I don't give a shit. Who cares? We're getting swept anyway.
Starting point is 00:53:26 He wrote a letter to address to Mr. Scotty Pippen and gave it to the media outlets. Dear Scotty, I'm writing this letter to apologize to you for the incident that happened in Monday's game. You're a great player, and I'm glad you weren't hurt by the incident. It was merely one of frustration. I'm not the type of player of which I've been accused.
Starting point is 00:53:43 The situation was one of those things that should not have happened. I'm ready and willing to accept any which I've been accused. The situation was one of those things that should not have happened. I'm ready and willing to accept any fines or consequences set by the league for my actions. I sincerely apologize to you, your teammates, and the entire Chicago Bulls organization. I also hope there are no hard feelings between you and your teammates and me. Good luck in the
Starting point is 00:53:57 NBA Finals. It's a tough road ahead of you. Sincerely, Dennis Rodman. I'm also rooting for the West. Then I'm also not going to root for you. I'm also rooting against you. I hope Utah kicks your ass. Who did they play that year? 92. Jesus, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Portland, I think, again? Probably. Was it Bulls Blazers? Probably. I think Bulls Blazers was one. So, yeah. Then Phil Jackson, they asked him, and he said, We forgive him, but it won't be forgotten.
Starting point is 00:54:19 That type of shit. It was certainly hard feeling. And it won't, actually, because we'll bring it up later on. He made $880,000 that year, though, so good for him. 91-92, the Pistons are not a championship team anymore. This year he starts 80 games, scores 9.8 a game, and rebounds 18.7 a game. How do you do that? Per game.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Double your points. Just 19 rebounds a game? There's only like 30 in the game you're averaging that think about that that's not just hey you had 19 rebounds what an amazing game so that means a lot of games he's got like 26 in some games he might have 13 like that's a shitload of rebounds a game it's so many leads the league obviously and in the nba it's not like college where every other trip down the floor ball is missed no it usually goes in the hoop so there's not many misses the average field goal percentage is about 50 percent you know because depending on the shots long now it's less because they take longer shots more often now but it used to be
Starting point is 00:55:18 about 50 40 to 50 percent in the shooting so was it yeah oh yeah absolutely like 58 no the first shack maybe if you shoot from three feet away from the but i mean even steph curry probably shoots 46 from the floor that's true i mean he's probably higher he's a little better he's higher but i mean good shooters don't shoot he might shoot 46 from three point that's what i mean which is sick actually that's disgusting way too high from out there i would say but I mean, his field goal percentage, Dennis Rodman, because all of his are putbacks. He's not taking many jumpers. His are 54% this year. Oh, that's not, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:51 This season here. And that's good. That's good for him. He's once again the defensive player of the year and an all-star. No shit. So he's fucking styling. He's doing very, very well. He makes $1,075,000 this year as well.
Starting point is 00:56:05 So not too bad. Yeah. Not too bad. For a guy that just started playing basketball at 22. Like five years ago. Not bad at all. 92-93, he said that this was a terrible season for him. They fired Chuck Daly.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Yeah. Got rid of Chuck Daly. Who'd they bring in? I don't remember who they brought in here. Was it that little fucker from the 76ers? I don't remember. Do you know who I'm talking about? Yes, I do. I don't remember who they brought in was it that little fucker from the 76ers i don't remember yes i do i don't remember who no it wasn't him uh brown i think that's his name for now he didn't coach detroit then no because that was yeah that was later okay that was like grant hill years okay when he was there larry brown i believe that he was in philly yeah larry brown's been everywhere christ almighty uh but anyway yeah
Starting point is 00:56:43 i think he was there those years i I'm thinking, the 90s years. But then I, we're not going to get into it. It's a rabbit hole. We're not going to do it. No one cares. It's not changing anything. So it's at this point. And sometime in 92, he got married to his longtime girlfriend that he's having kids with.
Starting point is 00:56:59 Sharice. And Sharice. Annie Sharice. And this ends up breaking up in 93 as well. So he's just not happy. He says he wants to spend more time with his daughter. And he wasn't happy about the whole thing. So for a while here, he's hurt at one point in the season.
Starting point is 00:57:18 He's injured. So he basically locks himself in his house and doesn't answer the phone, doesn't go to practices, doesn't go to games, only goes out in the middle of the night to get food or to work out. That's it. That's what he's doing. At one point, people keep calling him, so he keeps changing his phone number. And at one point, tells the phone company not to tell him what the number is so he can't give it out. So just give me a phone number. I don't give a fuck what it is.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Don't tell me what it is. Who do you want us to give it out. So just give me a phone number. I don't give a fuck what it is. Don't tell me what it is. Who do you want us to give it to, Keith? Nobody. Nobody. I'll call out. And then no one can call me. Unless they have caller ID.
Starting point is 00:57:56 And then the whole thing's down the drain. And then I'll call you back. Damn it. Shit. He only plays in 62 games this year. Now, this is a down season for him where he's sad. 7.5 points, 18.3 rebounds a game. My God.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Bonkers. That's just inconceivable. That's so crazy. So crazy. But he has a tough year, as we're going to talk about. February of 93, in mid-February, police get a call in the middle of the night from a friend of Dennis Rodman. And he says that, okay, it's a weird call, I know, but I'm a friend of Dennis Rodman. Yes, the crazy guy from the Pistons.
Starting point is 00:58:33 And he just left. He's super depressed, not in a good spot. And he just left home in his truck with his gun. And I feel like he's not up to anything good. So maybe he would just want to intervene and make sure he's not shooting himself, possibly. So the police find Rodman eventually at 5 o'clock in the morning. Where? They find him in the Palace parking lot. Oh, where the Pistons play.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Yeah, he's in the parking lot. At 5 a.m. At 5 a.m. Only one car. Hanging out. Just him. Just his truck sitting there. Hanging out.
Starting point is 00:59:00 They talk to him. Hey, Dennis, how's it going? Fine. Dennis Keith, that you? That's all. Yeah. Hey, Keith, is that going uh fine dennis keith that you that's all yeah hey keith is that you keith uh keith is that you in there is that my step daddy he said he said mom said just to call him daddy i said don't have to call him keith he also has a rifle under his seat as well which is not a good thing he's not broken any laws he's still have rifles legal he's got you know he's just in he's not like trespassing he's allowed to be there it's a place of work that's where he worked they
Starting point is 00:59:28 don't mind they're not going to press charges against him for sitting in the parking lot where that he brought a gun to work a little odd uh he's having problems uh so the pistons public relations man drives him to a psychiatrist about an hour later he said let's let's go sort this out dennis and uh he said he gets a call on his car phone this is the pr guy from his own mother and saying quote that she heard on the radio what happened and that this guy was going to talk and he had told his mother i'm going to pick up dennis rodman and then she heard what happened with a gun got it so this lady called us her son on the car phone and said are you okay did dennis rodman shoot you so she thought she was shot by his son her son on the car phone and said, are you okay? Did Dennis Rodman shoot you?
Starting point is 01:00:07 She thought she was shot by his son. Her son was shot by Dennis Rodman. Pretty awesome. That's what she interpreted from the news report. Is that you? Are you shot? Are you shot? Did Dennis Rodman shoot you? It's like, are you?
Starting point is 01:00:17 Ronald, are you okay? Did OJ Simpson stab you in the throat? Did he? No? Yes? I don't know how I knew that it's amazing isn't it gurgled twice very weird did dennis rodman shoot you gurgled okay so uh all right once fine so they asked they asked rodman hey why'd you have a rifle you know in the parking lot yeah and all you know at
Starting point is 01:00:45 work you know just in a place where normally people aren't armed he said quote why was the rifle there it's always there i was depressed but i wasn't going to kill myself i was just hurting ripped to sweat ripped to shreds you butt heads with reality and it's like you butt heads with reality and it's like having a stroke i didn didn't lose touch with reality, but I put it on pause. He was just having a weird fucking day. Yeah. And there's another gun thing here where he is on the, he's often suicidally-ish. Yeah. Like, ish.
Starting point is 01:01:16 I know the feeling. Yeah. There's another time. Does everyone know who Craig Sager is? Yeah. Craig Sager is the- Yeah, he was in Silly Suits. Yes.
Starting point is 01:01:24 He was a sportscaster, wore like the crazy 70s suits in like 2014. Fucking awesome. Great guy, and he died of cancer. Yes. And very, very sad. Beloved guy in the sports community. Unbelievable sports. He's so good at it.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Yeah. That's what I mean. Oblivious and... Just a good guy. To a point. He's himself. You almost think he did it on purpose sometimes. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:44 He's like if you were like a teenager, and you went out with a chick and you went to her house and her dad was really cool yeah like your dad's a fucking riot this guy's funny as shit he's just a weird wears crazy clothes he seems real friendly what a weird guy break up with her daughter but can we still be friends we still could like maybe go golfing or something i don't golf but you look like a golf with that sport coat you have beers have beers in the fridge? You could teach me. Go out in the garage and crack a couple? Come on. I'm in. Let's do it.
Starting point is 01:02:08 So apparently, this is during this period of Rodman being AWOL in 1993. Sager tracked him down, it says here, in a Detroit strip club on the second floor. You don't go on the second. You were digging deep, Sager. Second floor of a Detroit strip club? That is floor uh-huh you don't go on the second digging deep sager second floor of a detroit strip club that is like hitting the main vein you gotta really it's not just scooping it and with a pan right there in the riverbed you gotta chip away at the mountain for that opening the door peeking in and then going he's not here want to guess the strip club name no you
Starting point is 01:02:40 always enjoyed guessing like uh it's it's a basic one. Completely basic. The Candy Cane? No, close, though. Something like that. The Dollhouse. The Landing Strip. Oh, Jesus. Perfect, right?
Starting point is 01:02:51 That is fantastic. You knew it was going to be... Craig Sager's at the Landing Strip? I don't know if he's looking for Dennis Rodman or what here. Or if he just happened to be there. If he's just like, I like Black Tail. Where can I find some... Oh, the landing strip?
Starting point is 01:03:06 All right. You're damn right this dude has candy canes on it. They're singing, oh, he's up there, and he's like, oh, Dennis Rodman, I'm sorry, I didn't see you. I was looking for you, actually. I was looking for you, actually. Hold on, one moment. One moment, please.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Ladies, I just, I'll get with you in a minute. Velvet. Yes, please. Jesus, Good Lord. Craig Sager getting a lap dance in a candy cane suit. Ebony, I said one more moment, please. You tell Onyx to go in the... I will be there.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Please. No, here's an extra 20 to wait for me. No more. No, no dances till I get back. Please, Jesus. Don't waste it. Don't waste it, honey. You know how I get.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Don't get too sweaty. You'll ruin my suit. Dennis. He's wearing a fucking Tampa Bay Buccaneer tangerine jacket while it's happening. So much fucking colors. So apparently,
Starting point is 01:03:57 Dennis was up there suicidal. That is not the place to kill yourself, by the way. That is a place where you only smile, by the way. Well, not... He saw the sadness in it i feel and uh craig's i feel like this where i feel like i'm depressed where can i go where people
Starting point is 01:04:14 will be depressed where people are sadder than me he said uh craig sager says quote he had the gun he was going to do it i told him how stupid that would be. And then he didn't do it. And he fully credits Craig Sager with saving his life. As a matter of fact, he says it over the years. And then when Craig Sager dies, he tweets out. Dennis Rodman tweets out, quote, Craig Sager. Thanks for saving my life when I was in dire need of help in Detroit back in 1993.
Starting point is 01:04:42 Condolences to your family. R.I.P. My friend. So he fully publicly from then on in his books, everything said,olences to your family. R.I.P. my friend. So he fully publicly from then on in his books everything said Craig fucking Sager saved my life.
Starting point is 01:04:49 If not for Craig Sager having you know jungle fever we would not be in this situation. If Craig Sager didn't show up to that strip club
Starting point is 01:04:58 in that stupid suit didn't if he didn't like the way a line of cocaine looked on a black eye on a dark skinned girl's ass then none of this shit would happen, is what he said. He never would have seen the Rodman that I turned into.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Never, God damn it. Because at this point, he was still just the guy from Detroit. He wasn't crazy yet. No, this was the borderline. We were starting to do that. Now, a former wife of his here, this is Annie. This is Annie here. She says that he's overly sensitive and she says that he grows angry or she gets angry when she sees what a spectacle he's becoming of himself.
Starting point is 01:05:41 At one point, she says, quote, he has a tattoo of his child on his forearm, but he sent her nothing for Christmas. He didn't call on her birthday. He missed her first day of kindergarten. When she had chicken pox this summer, it took us three days just to find him. Sure, he lost $35,000 in Vegas on purpose, but why doesn't he just set up a trust fund for Alexis
Starting point is 01:06:00 instead? Have you seen the tattoo he has that says Linda, one of his girlfriends? Talk about a knife in my heart. my word so yeah that's uh she goes off on him about his because this isn't an article where he was at a casino losing money because he felt like losing money having fun losing money he was literally losing money and he said he was doing it on purpose because it makes him he said he hates money he likes to lose It makes him feel normal. All that winning. She's right. Yeah. Put that in a trust fund for your daughter.
Starting point is 01:06:27 Don't give it to her. Don't give it to Annie. You don't want her to have it. No, no. Put it in a trust. That's the thing. You don't have to. Set up a trust that only your daughter can get to.
Starting point is 01:06:34 Wow. She's 30 years old or some shit. But yeah. Then Annie says, quote, this summer when he came to see me, he seemed suicidal. He came here looking like a transient. He was in old clothes. He lost about 15 pounds he couldn't sleep he had a designer design a 25 000 wedding dress for me but he'd just been in vegas
Starting point is 01:06:52 with his girlfriend whatever dennis rodman can't have he wants what the fuck so that's when they got married he uh was basically already fucking around before they got because they've been together for like seven years but yeah uh he says about the whole thing quote with the situation with me and my wife i never really paid enough attention because i was too involved with my job i knew in the back of my mind that she and my child were the most important things but i never really showed it i was out of balance i would say uh that year though he made 2.35 million dollars playing basketball so 35 grand ain't nothing not too shabby, yeah. Now, he's got side businesses, too.
Starting point is 01:07:32 He's got a Rodman Excavation, Inc. in Frisco, Texas. What? He's got a fucking digging company? He's got a digging company. I don't know. And this article was basically trying to find Dennis Rodman when they finally found him in a casino, losing $35,000. And they were asked, so they went to his excavation company, said, have you seen Dennis Rodman, when they finally found him in a casino losing $35,000. And they were asked, so they went to his excavation company, said, have you seen Dennis Rodman? And they said, quote, we don't know where he is.
Starting point is 01:07:51 No one knows. We haven't seen him in four weeks is at this point here. Another, the guy who took him to the psychiatrist, the PR man whose mother worried he was shot by Dennis Rodman, said, quote, I'm on the Rodman hunt, too. Rumor is he's in Sacramento, but there's also a theory he's in Denver. Somebody told me he'd come back to Detroit, but he's not here. There's still a for sale sign in front of his house in Bloomfield Hills. A Corvette without license plates parked in the drive. His phone is disconnected. We've also heard he's in Vegas.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Somebody saw him there staying at the Mirage. Supposedly, he's got he's got supposedly he's got what do you call those things dreadlocks that's hilarious so that's the whitest thing i've ever heard of a description of a black man first carmen san diego and dennis rodman this is the most car real life carmen san diego thing ever they're giving clues of things he likes yeah somebody said this i heard he might be. I heard he might be in. Heard he might be into blueberries. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Have you ever played Carmen Sandiego and had her be in San Diego? No. You can't. That's the worst. Yeah. Is that real? I think it's real, yeah. I remember as a child yelling bullshit in a computer lab one time because it was somewhere
Starting point is 01:08:59 where I didn't think and I got in trouble for it. I want to say it because she was in San Diego. That's amazing. Something where I was like, bullshit! I was like in fifth grade and they were like, you will come to the office right now, young man. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:09:10 So anyway, what do you call those things there? Dreadlocks. What do you call those things black people have on their heads? You know, they don't wash and shit. You know,
Starting point is 01:09:17 they're all dirty. What are those things? You know, when a black guy gets real dirty, what's that shit on their head? They roll around in the dirt and the mud and shit and then their head looks all shitty. It looks like, yeah, what's that now? Oh head? Oh, yeah, they roll around in the dirt and the mud and shit, and then their head looks all shitty.
Starting point is 01:09:25 It looks like, yeah, what's that now? Oh, yeah, dreadlocks. It's the whitest shit I've ever heard. Jesus Christ. Maybe he was styling them. Right. You don't know that. Maybe he wanted those, you dummy.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Yeah. Now, this is so he's going kind of off the reservation. Isaiah Thomas said, quote, those first few years, he was the model piston. On time, never complained followed instructions if any of us had known how to make him happy in the end believe me we would have done it so they're all like we loved having him he was a good guy we don't know what the fuck happened so uh they're wondering what's going to happen here in this upcoming season 93 94 until october 1st 1993 when the pistons trade him uh with is with Isaiah Morris for a 1994 second round draft
Starting point is 01:10:06 pick. And they also to the Spurs for Sean Elliott, David Wood and a pick later on. So he goes to the Spurs now, which was a really weird fit. Sean Elliott. That's right. He did play for Detroit. He went and played for Detroit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:20 After that. Yeah, that was it. So this is a weird fit. Him and San Antonio. San Antonio and him is a weird... Him and Greg Popp is not a good couple. Strange. He starts 51 games, plays in 79, 4.7 points, 17.3 rebounds.
Starting point is 01:10:34 And that's with David Robinson standing next to him, who's no slouch in rebounds, and he's a seven-footer. So, I mean, you're taking rebounds from him at that point. He makes $2.45 million. Hell of a good deal here. Now, at the All-Star Game, he's not an All-Star this year, but the All-Star Game's on TV. Remember when a big deal the NBA All-Star Game used to be? So much fun.
Starting point is 01:10:54 Oh, God. The dunk contest. Yeah. It was great. You always watched the dunk contest and the three-point shooting contest. And it was so much fun. It was fun. It was exciting.
Starting point is 01:11:02 Yeah. And there was cool shit happening. You knew how. Yeah. And you knew every player. And they all had a different personality they were all huge stars and yeah it was a different thing than now uh but uh during this tv broadcast madonna announces on tv because she's there they talk to madonna now by the way people we have a lot of younger listeners so for the next minute and a half you tune out if you want or zone out for a second while we describe how famous Madonna was.
Starting point is 01:11:28 We can't begin to explain to you how famous Madonna was. Now you're like, is that that older lady who sings weird dance songs? Yes, that's her. Yes, that's her. With the sinewy arms? Yes, that's the one. The girl trying to be young still? The one with the... Doesn't she have a British accent, but she's from Detroit?
Starting point is 01:11:42 That's the one. And she wears a grill? Yeah, that's her. Isn't she the Italian chick from Detroit who thinks she but she's from detroit that's the one and she wears a grill yeah that's her isn't she the isn't she the italian chick from detroit you think she's british now yeah that's the one okay who claims new york yeah who claims new york okay so you have to understand though when she first came out in like 1984 85 she was fucking enormous she was the largest she every i remember my aunt at that time was a teenager and she went to see her in madison square garden and it was sold out and she was like oh my god
Starting point is 01:12:10 squeaking and couldn't wait to go she was she was like fucking like uh now fucking like lizzo i guess is usually popular like that with every chick that i've ever heard i mean she was miley cyrus yeah but bigger than that though she was a big like a she wasn't a kid thing she was a fucking everybody everybody thing and then like later on by the time 93 came around 94 she was like this established like now she's like at this point she was like beyonce is now yeah because she's moving into movies like this is yeah doing movies doing giant huge stage shows and like you know it's a spectacle and you know it's a big deal when she goes on tour everybody goes holy shit she's gonna have this and that's what she is she's like it's like beyonce is at the all-star game right now going saying on tv something so that's just
Starting point is 01:12:53 to give you an idea of how famous she was at that point she said she wanted to meet dennis rodman yeah on tv and so they had their you know people try to arrange a meeting between them i guess three weeks later rodman flew down to miami and Miami on his day off and started hooking up with Madonna there. So he said that right away, he was sleeping with her right away and everything because they're adults. What the fuck are they going to do? I like you. I like you. Okay, let's go out to dinner.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Take them off. I'll walk you home. No, that's not going to. They're adults. So, yeah, he said they could. Madonna, they felt like soulmates he said later on he said like they could do whatever they wanted in life and get away with it because they could because they were the richest famous just couple there was he could have well she could have killed him and got away with it like oj probably he's not famous
Starting point is 01:13:39 enough to kill her probably but he she could have killed him she was in movies you have to have three movies plus an athletic career before you can get away with killing people he's got to know that and they have to be like good movies it can't be like double team like we'll talk about later with dennis rodman it's got to be good uh he said the sex was uh was uh wasn't wild and crazy or kinky or anything like that he said it that makes sense he said it was just entertaining quote she wasn't an acrobat but she wasn't a dead fish either okay so i don't know if anybody's ever was decent apparently i don't know what what he was like i'm not sure i guess he's an acrobat no he does say that she wanted him to father her child which makes sense because later on she was looking for anybody who wants to impregnate somebody make one with me like a game nowadays
Starting point is 01:14:24 if that was now she would have a reality show who wants to impregnate somebody make one with me like a game nowadays if that was now she would have had a reality show who wants to impregnate madonna and it would be a fucking too bad that was ahead of her time the prize is getting child support from her mtv would have really missed out yeah she like puts you up in a house somewhere and you get like a salary or some shit you know you get to see the kid once a month for like five minutes while her minions supervise she said and i would never let him use a condom based on that because she wanted a kid she said that uh he didn't like her music he said it all and uh he told her so and he wouldn't uh he he wouldn't call he would call her nicknames he didn't want to call her madonna what do you call even though that's her real name is that really her first name is madonna she really made it madonna yeah her last name is like fucking no her real name no her birth name is madonna i think it's no i don't think that's
Starting point is 01:15:13 her first fucking name i don't think so i thought it was i don't think so maybe not i think i know she's got a guinea last name yeah i think it's like maria maybe i bet it is how about that i'll bet it's mar. Yeah, maybe. He said that he thought they were a perfect match, and he said that, you know, he just thought that, he said, quote, I still think of myself as this guy who had to claw my way up from a job as a janitor to get anything in life, so to be making a decision on how serious to get with Madonna was more than I could handle.
Starting point is 01:15:42 That's probably fair. He said, Madonna talked all the time about having a baby. I think she wanted every bit of Dennis Rodman. Marriage, kids, everything. That's what he says. That's her real name, James. That's what I thought. That's fucking amazing.
Starting point is 01:15:54 That's what I mean. Madonna is something Italian. Louise Tizione. Yeah, Tizione. Tizione. Tizione, yeah. So there you go. Nice British accent.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Wow. Yeah. No. I didn't know that that was her real name. British accent. Wow. Yeah. No. I didn't know that that was a real name. Detroit accent. Yeah. Put some guinea on it. No.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Rub some guinea in there. A little fucking stank of some guinea on it. Now, 1994, his first book comes out, Rebound, the Dennis Rodman story. Hell yeah. This is his first foray into authorship here. 94, 95, plays for the Spurs again. Only plays in 49 games that year. We'll talk about why.
Starting point is 01:16:28 Averages 16.8 rebounds a game, though. Not too shabby. March 19, 1995, he separates his shoulder in a motorcycle accident. Idiot. Which would cause him to miss pretty much anything. Why would you get on a motorcycle when your body's that fucking valuable? And do that much stupid shit to hurt yourself yeah to go slow be careful yeah uh makes 2.5 million dollars for his stupidity though so
Starting point is 01:16:50 that's not bad here uh now here's a thing here uh june 28th 1995 a lisa beth judd who at the time was 24 years old uh sues him here uh she claims that she had an on and off relationship with dennis since april of 91 and uh jesus christ she said that she kept a memento box filled with souvenirs of her time with dennis rodman she said he romanced her gave her cards and roses and herpes oh he's suing her for it uh she's suing him she's suing him for it. She says he gave her herpes on January 14th, 1993 when he was in Atlanta. She said he was sweet. He was a gentleman. He was a kind person.
Starting point is 01:17:35 I just wish he wouldn't have obviously infected me. He was gentle. My vagina has blisters. It's a problem. Now I have an issue. There's a deposition shown to the jury he had to go and sit in front of a video camera and talk about his herpes uh he said he tested negative for herpes in 1988 but was found to have herpes in march of 1993 oh no so he's saying i didn't
Starting point is 01:18:01 know till march of 93 that's what he said in his deposition. She's saying I gave it to her January of 93. I didn't even fucking know I had it at that point. There you go. I didn't do it on purpose. So that goes on in court. So that's the type of shit that he starts cooking up. Horrible. Now it's downhill from here.
Starting point is 01:18:15 95, 96, he's traded by the Spurs to the Bulls for Will Perdue. A big, dopey, doughy stiff. Yeah. Big, just a fucking stuck. He looked like he was walking in mud, Wilbur did. They were just shipping the herpes out of town. That's it. He had herpes at this time and nobody knew.
Starting point is 01:18:33 I didn't know. I didn't care. I'm sure half the guys are fucking everything that moves. These athletes. You think all the people in the NBA don't have herpes? That's true. Every fan. At that point?
Starting point is 01:18:41 MLB, NHL, they all do. So, yeah. You said MLB, NHL, they all do. So, yeah. You said MLB, not Mel B. Not Mel B, no. Although, I don't know what the hell she's up to either. She could have it too. I don't know. So he's traded for Will Purdue, which is just a joke.
Starting point is 01:18:56 What a trade, yeah. And he starts talking shit about San Antonio, and it's hilarious. He said, San Antonio might be more of a basketball team if David Robinson didn't freeze up every time they play a big game. He says, quote, now I guess David thinks it's a basketball team again because he's got Will Purdue, which is a great thing. It's fucking hilarious. I guess Robinson had said that Rodman tried to turn the team into a zoo. That's what it was here. And Rodman said that Robinson, quote, couldn't stop shaking in the locker room before a game.
Starting point is 01:19:30 He also talks much shit about Chuck Person, who Chuck Person was happy that Dennis was leaving. And, yeah, he says that Person, he says, as a player such as Person who treats defense so lightly and doesn't rebound, he's worthless. So that's what he said. Just anti- anti rodman uh he's just a shooter person he thinks rodman rodman thinks will purdue will make a perfect addition to the conservative white environment in san antonio he said uh yeah you know that was that uh yeah and uh they talked a lot about uh when he goes to the bulls he was praising michael jordan and scotty pippen and also talking shit about tony kukoc he said quote we'll cover up for kukoc's mistakes which is hilarious that's right that's hilarious so now before he joins
Starting point is 01:20:16 the team phil jackson asked him to apologize to scotty pippen for the incident oh for the chin that he yeah i'll never forget we'll never, because now he's got to apologize fucking four years later. Oh, I wrote you a letter. Isn't that enough? Dude, a public letter. Rodman said he was a little pissed off about it, but he did it. It was just a, that's what Phil knew how to balance his team. Formality.
Starting point is 01:20:36 He knew that Scotty needed that. So, if that helps, then whatever. It's one of those things. I think he went to him like, look, Scotty's a little fucking, you know, he's a baby about the whole thing. Be the bigger man and go just apologize. He's got Michael jordan on the team he'll never be the star of this could you just tell him sorry he's everybody's little brother you know how that goes just tell him sorry he thinks he has no anything going on so 95 96 uh the bulls have well the i think second best record in the history of basketball. 72-10? 72-10.
Starting point is 01:21:05 Absolutely just demolishing and running through people like they were nothing. So good. Like they were rice paper. And those 10 weren't even like... Oh, they were just here and there. I think they lost a couple in the beginning of the year, like three out of the first 20 or some shit.
Starting point is 01:21:19 Didn't they run like the last 20 out anyway? It's crazy how many games they won. But they go to the playoffs, and this is, I mean, this Bulls team is stacked. Look them up if you don't know. It's Jordan, Pippen, Rodman. It's all you really need to know. Yeah, Randy. Insane.
Starting point is 01:21:35 It's a crazy team here. So they go to the first round of the playoffs. They sweep the Heat 3-0. The Bulls do. They lose one game to the Knicks anyway. The Knicks get one on them. It's a five-game series there. God, that was frustrating to watch.
Starting point is 01:21:49 Jesus Christ. No idea. That whole five-year period of basketball. It was the best basketball. It was the best basketball. And you even knew who the champion was going to be. Oh, yeah. You can see.
Starting point is 01:22:01 And it was still fucking amazing. Because you never know. That's the difference between today. Today, you know the champion, who it's going to be. It's going to be one of four teams. Then you knew there was going to be like eight really tough teams at the end and spread across both conferences. And how would that work out?
Starting point is 01:22:14 How is that going to work out when the Bulls win? Yeah. Well, I mean, well, the Bulls are going to have to play some good Eastern conference, especially at this point, because this was when Orlando started to become something with Shaq and Penny. And you had the Knicks coming up and in the West
Starting point is 01:22:27 it was like Jesus there was a lot of good teams there was just good teams all over so they sweep the heat 4-1 with the Knicks they sweep the magic 4-0
Starting point is 01:22:34 this was when the magic were starting to become something and then they go all the way to the NBA Finals versus the Sonics so this was when we had you know
Starting point is 01:22:42 Gary Payton Sean Kemp yeah Schrempf all these guys versus Jordan and Pippen and Rodman. Was that man there still? No, he was gone by then. Was he in New York by then? Fuck, I think he was gone from there by then.
Starting point is 01:22:54 Probably in New Jersey. Dude, he was... Probably playing for the Expos by then. I don't know if he was still... The Royals, I think, is where he was. I think he might not have been in the fucking league by then, to be honest with you. I'm not positive. Dennis played in 64 games that year,
Starting point is 01:23:07 averaged 14.9 rebounds a game. He is suspended at one point, March 18th, 96, for six games and fined 20 grand for headbutting a referee. Do I remember that? He put his head on the referee, didn't slam him. That's right, and he kind of rolled it on him. He kind of rolled it on him and then took his shirt off and threw it in the stands as he walked out. So that'll get you a 20 grand fine and six games suspension.
Starting point is 01:23:31 Wow. That's hefty in a basketball season. $2.5 million he makes that year still. He also has his own MTV reality talk show is what they call it. Reality talk shows. Kind of before reality shows. So it was called the rodman world tour and he they he would go do stupid shit basically it was it was stupid uh he appears
Starting point is 01:23:51 in baywatch as himself yeah just dennis rodman walking around along the beach giving people herpes giving people herpes everywhere hey pamela i know you got the hep c but you want to add a little herp to that hep c give you a little little cocktail. We'll give you the herp C. We'll give you the herp C. It's a good one. Also releases 1996, Bad As I Wanna Be, the book here. And this was like his big book. I believe this is the one where he wore a wedding dress to promote it. He went everywhere in a wedding dress to promote it.
Starting point is 01:24:19 The cover was him laying on a court with the balls, right? I'm not positive. I think that's true. Let's get some shit from this book that he says here on life he says quote when i was 20 people would have crossed the street to get away from me now they're crowding around trying to get an autograph i can see right through it uh he says that uh i think that's why i strive to make my life so difficult now i'm not comfortable being comfortable no dennis jesus they crossed the street when you were 20 because you were a fucking janitor at the airport who stole things right you
Starting point is 01:24:50 were a felonious janitor you were a lunatic yeah you were just a huge janitor they want to talk to you because you're a fucking star you idiot and he says that he thinks he strives to make his life difficult and be uncomfortable because he grew up in a shitty environment. So now he wants to keep repeating that self, which is something that you have to fight yourself on. You do. It's cyclical and you have to go, I'm not doing that again. You don't realize you're doing it. You're like a ghost who keeps living the same day over and over and you don't realize it.
Starting point is 01:25:19 That's what you are here. Some fucked up. That's hysterical. Some fucked up post--life post-mortem groundhog day that's funny because emily has sees me do things that i do over and over again and she'll point out she just goes you're doing it again it says he can't help it it's that thing man i don't know what that is dude what is that it's just being fucking it's trash it's my trash cycle it doesn't help you know like everything else in your body and everything else like in your mind is like evolutionarily makes sense that's the one thing that doesn't
Starting point is 01:25:49 make sense how does that help you you know what i mean how does that make you in the world more resilient to anything more it just hurts you it's a weird thing self-sabotage yeah uh he talks about in the book that he has a penchant for women's clothing and says that he, quote, feels like a total person when he's in a sequined halter top and carousing at a gay bar. He says he's not gay at all. He just likes to see how other people live. And he thinks it's interesting to watch people look at him. Basically, later on, when Bruce Jenner comes out as Caitlyn Jenner, he will then say that motherfucker is lucky he didn't do that shit in the 90s. Zeta killed his ass because you should have seen what they did to me and i wasn't even like
Starting point is 01:26:28 changing my name or anything i was just putting a wedding dress on and fucking promoting the book i wasn't on the cover of a fucking wheaties box either yeah well he said he supported you know caitlin jenner's deal he's like totally support it and everything like that he says his favorite color is pink he has pink harley davidson yeah and a pink pickup truck and he doesn't give a shit what anybody says about it uh he does say that uh uh jesus christ he says he isn't gay but he does fantasize about making love to another man which is odd that what he said i believe it's natural for your body to go and explore anything it wants if it wants dick sure but if it doesn't want penis then it shouldn't probably i'm not gay but i fantasize what he said is i haven't done it but i think about it fucking all the time
Starting point is 01:27:11 technically that's gay in it i don't know i think you probably have to act on it i would imagine i mean you could say you're uh you're a chef we have to actually cook something sit around thinking about sit down and go man i just made a steak right now it'd be so good i'd make potato you actually have to do it first otherwise you're hungry not a chef that's a fascinating statement though yeah he's just a dreamer not gay i don't know he wants to be gay be gay i don't care go fucking tag a dude if you feel like it about it all the time just can't do it just not in mood uh yeah so 96 97 still with the bulls he plays in 55 games starts 54 of them 16.1 rebounds a game this is insane he's averaged over 16 rebounds a game for six straight fucking or five straight years now no six straight years
Starting point is 01:28:00 now that's bonkers that is absolutely crazy uh january 97 he uh gets tangled up with a cameraman yeah on the baseline and kicks him yep uh kicks him ends up being the leg in the groin he took a couple of big kicks out it was unnecessary he swung on him he really fucking it was unnecessary he was he was on the ground right and he just kind of threw his heel at him yeah i don't remember they were big swings i don't remember if the cameraman was on the ground to begin with or if he ended up on the ground because then it's right i mean dennis rodman was on the ground right and he just kind of threw his heel at him yeah i don't remember they were big swings i don't remember if the cameraman was on the ground to begin with or if he ended up on the ground because then his rodman was on the ground they were both on the ground when he was getting up their legs were kind of they were tangled up together because they fell in at full speed yeah and he was like kicked him to get him off him basically and it was like holy
Starting point is 01:28:37 shit now this was a guy named eugene amos he kicked him in the groin uh in a win over the timberwolves And apparently this guy laid down on the baseline there for seven minutes before being carried away on a stretcher and taken to the hospital. And his lawyer, Amos' lawyer, said, quote, he wants to say that it's not okay for Rodman to do that.
Starting point is 01:28:58 If we were not on the streets, it would not be okay. You've got to call it what it is, and that's an assault. Which, i guess uh and rodman said quote i was aiming at the camera because that's the first thing i saw which is still not any better he said i'm not going to try to hurt somebody to try to hurt them severely i just tried to kick his camera out of the way so the amos guy filed a police complaint from the hospital. And yeah, he says, he said, quote, I feel hurt. I feel let down.
Starting point is 01:29:29 I admired him with everything. I just admired him. And Rodman and Phil Jackson both say that Amos is faking his injuries. Yeah. He says, quote, Jackson says, it looked like he kicked the guy in the knee and the guy suddenly got falsetto. So I love Phil jackson he's fucking hilarious this also was then he exhaled his bong hit that's what i love about phil this guy suddenly got falsetto you know those fucking people are crazy i don't know this is also the time of the
Starting point is 01:29:56 frivolous lawsuit oh yeah well and everybody was suing anybody with anything it suits so much rodman suspended 11 games and fined 25 000 but that's also 11 games is an eighth of his fucking year. Right. So let more than that. So he's going to lose over a million dollars out of that, too, in game checks. And yeah, he Jesus Christ. David Stern here said until Dennis can provide meaningful assurances that he will conform
Starting point is 01:30:22 his conduct on the playing court to acceptable standards, including not placing others at physical risk risk his suspension will continue uh yeah michael jordan said quote i think we're all disappointed i think dennis is disappointed that that he let the team down it's just a fact that we have to move on we can't sit here and belabor the point no matter what we say or do we're not going to change david stern's point of view so uh michael Michael Jordan said belabor? Belabored. Michael Jordan's very fucking, he's a smart cat. Yeah, but he was so boring.
Starting point is 01:30:49 He's boring as shit. He never said anything that fucking mattered. That sounded business, though. He's like, this is a business statement. Listen, belabor. Yeah, I graduated North Carolina. Thank you. Yeah, I went back.
Starting point is 01:31:02 So, Jesus Christ. I think he went back. I imagine he he went back either way he's pretty goddamn smart yeah he was the guy that went no no no don't pay me for endorsements and money pay me in stock right smart to say to gatorade forever and shit like that yeah no no i only get paid in stock thank you because he didn't need the cash cash doesn't grow like stocks do oh dude how smart is that j Jesus Christ. That's brilliant. So most people are not that forward thinking.
Starting point is 01:31:28 So very, very smart. That's why he owns a basketball team. Yeah, no shit. So now it's at this point later on here, Dennis ends up paying the guy $200,000 for his injuries. Okay. Now, a little bit later on, this Amos guy has a domestic assault charge filed against him. They find out that he had one filed against him the day before Rodman kicked him in the ball. Get the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 01:31:52 The day before. So now Rodman's pissed off. Yeah. He says, quote, I paid the guy 200 grand because I kicked him and I turn around and he's been to jail for beating his girlfriend. What would be a bigger story? Me beating my wife or girlfriend or me kicking a photographer? You make the call. I think he should give the money to charity
Starting point is 01:32:08 or come and shake my hand and apologize to me for taking my $200,000. How about to the lady he beat up? Let's start there. He should give it to her. Never mind you, Dennis. His salary was $9 million that year, but minus suspensions and fines from the team
Starting point is 01:32:24 and everything else. 60 bucks. Yeah. And they said they used Phil Jackson as one of those different rules for different players, coaches, which in the NBA kind of have to have that. These authoritarian one rule for everybody guys don't really. They all have to. It's a different. There's only 12 guys.
Starting point is 01:32:40 So you can treat people personally. Sure. Football team. There's 53 guys. You can't treat everybody personally. Everybody's got to follow the same rules. You got like five stars. You can't treat everybody personally. Everybody's got to follow the same rules. You got like five stars. They can do what they want.
Starting point is 01:32:47 Everybody else has to shut the fuck up and follow the same rules, period. Whereas in basketball, Dennis Rodman's a little late to practice. We're not going to find him every time because who cares? Where was he? Trying on wedding dresses? One of his teammates said he would get to practice when he was at the Pistons, and Dennis would be in his truck right when practice was right when practice was starting this guy'd get there right on time and he'd be running in there going dennis what are you doing and dennis go
Starting point is 01:33:11 listen to pearl jam he rolls window back up just was he was doing it on purpose yeah to show that he could like he can do whatever he wants i will be 15 minutes late if i want he's just a contrary cat which cd is not over yeah i i get it so 90 70 stars in a movie called double team yeah with jean-claude van damme which is more embarrassing than anything else he's ever done this is because his hair was bright fucking green it was yellow i think on the cover or white on the cover i remember it being green maybe it could be right it's a piece of shit it's a bad movie it's bad i saw it an international spy teams up with an arms dealer to escape from a penal colony. So that tells you a lot right there.
Starting point is 01:33:47 And rescue his family from a terrorist. I'm sorry. Not enough to just escape from a penal colony. Then you have to rescue your family from a terrorist. Obviously. I watched it. Fucking duh. That's how you know it's bad.
Starting point is 01:33:57 It's... Yeah. Also, another book in 97. Yeah. Jesus. He's like Stephen King, man. He just pumps them out every year. What's this one called? Walk on the Wild Side. Yeah. Jesus. He's like Stephen King, man. He just pumps them out every year. What's this one called?
Starting point is 01:34:07 Walk on the Wild Side. Yeah. Here. He also goes to the Oscars with Vivica A. Fox this year. No kidding? Yeah. He went as her date. He went dressed like a, I don't even know how to describe it.
Starting point is 01:34:17 I don't know. Like a bride? No. No. He had weird makeup on. He looked like he was in like- Like a drag queen? Did he have a big hat on? He looked like he was in Amadeus. That's what he looked like. He looked like he was in like a drag queen. He had a big hat on. He looked like he was in Amadeus.
Starting point is 01:34:26 That's what he looked like. He looked like he was like from the Mozart era. Really? It was really weird. Yeah. But anyway, he went there. 97, 98 with the Bulls. By the way, they're winning the title every year here.
Starting point is 01:34:37 Did he win an Oscar that year for Double Take? He actually went. Yeah. He went to support Jean-Claude Van Damme, except his best actor award for it, obviously. So, Jesus Christ. 97-98, this was the year where they pummeled the jazz in the finals, I believe. Here, yeah. This was 4.7 points, 15 rebounds a game.
Starting point is 01:34:59 Still killing it. He played in 80 games, made $4.5 million. February of 1998 i need to see this so fucking bad i have a thing with bad biopics yeah i love a bad like a like a vh1 biopic movie oh my god you give me deaf leopard hysteria i will watch it a hundred times because i have the meatloaf one the fucking mc hammer one this is bad oh god the monkeys give it to me vh1 i love a bed this was the era of this these bad fucking bio they're made cheap and they're fucking bad man they're just rank and i love them and i can't get enough
Starting point is 01:35:41 of like are they just humiliating oh they're so bad dude the mc hammer one was so bad when they were so easy to humiliate that guy not even that when they were showing him as a kid being like a ball boy for the a's yeah and shit like they were just showing the dugout and they're just be like like terrible sounds and like shadows would go by the dugout but you could tell it was just a dugout set with nothing attached to it you see a shadow go by like those were the players out there it was the funniest fucking thing ever it's so bad when they do like the concert scenes there's like 12 people up front crammed in and that's all they show from like nine different angles and they're all partying it's fucking amazing you seriously
Starting point is 01:36:20 because they don't have the footage from the concerts no they're not allowed to use it they're faking it. Yeah, they're showing a fake concert. So good. Rather than, they should have just used stock footage from some shit. This is from ACDC in 79. Who cares? Just put it in there.
Starting point is 01:36:35 Just dudes. Just pretend it's. Horns up, banging their heads to MC Hammer. Fuck yeah. Too legit, motherfucker. Rock on. Jesus motherfucker. Rock on. Jesus Christ. So, yeah, it's called Bad As I Want To Be,
Starting point is 01:36:52 The Dennis Rodman Story. And the cover of it is the guy playing Dennis Rodman, who, by the way, looks fucking nothing like him. Looks like Maysack Taylor, the guy from Designing Women. That's what he looks like. Like a younger version. The guy with the fucking weird glasses yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:37:06 him and then it shows like him like a normal face and then like him with like makeup on and it's bad as you know Jesus it's so bad
Starting point is 01:37:14 1998 he gets hooked up with wrestling okay get into this quickly yeah wrestling WCW he ends up in
Starting point is 01:37:22 which was the defunct company that ends up going out of business in 2001 right at this point though they were still doing well yeah and uh this is when they started to tank this was this was their grace their grace was the end of 97 but this is still in that peak period dennis rodman comes in not only did wcw want him wwf at the time now e uh they were also offering him big money to come in. How did they even know he wanted it? Because he's a spectacle.
Starting point is 01:37:48 That was when WWE brought in Mike Tyson. They were just looking for spectacles to bring in. And WCW had brought in Karl Malone on one side to be a Diamond Dallas Page's partner. Because Diamond Dallas Page had went to, I saw an interview with him. He went to a jazz game. He went to a game, I think in Atlanta, where he lived, went to a game. Carl Malone saw him in the crowd
Starting point is 01:38:12 and made the diamond cutter sign at him and pointed at him. And he was like, oh, you're fucking Carl Malone. Holy shit. You're going to wrestle, sir. They ended up hooking up. And Carl Malone was a big wrestling fan. And he said, fuck, dude,
Starting point is 01:38:23 because Carl Malone's jacked. He's a big guy. He's like, dude, I'll show you how to do this. We'll get you in here and make you a million bucks. They looked great back then, too. Yeah, oh, he looked great. And then Dennis Rodman, they said, we'll get him as the bad guy to be Hulk Hogan's partner. There you go.
Starting point is 01:38:35 And that's what they did. He was the NWO guy, Dennis Rodman. He comes in. Basically, I can't remember the exact numbers because I read them years ago. But Dennis, basically, WWE offered him like a million dollars for two appearances. So WCW offered him $2 million for three appearances. It was something in those ballpark figures, right? Competitive, yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:55 Competitive. So he goes to WCW, a little more money. He blows off a Bulls practice to go to a Monday Nitro, which he's supposed to be at practice and he's on live television doing some other athletic endeavor which he's not contracted for by them that it can get you hurt yeah not happy they are at all he's not fighting at this point but still not happy uh so then later on by the way i'll we'll talk about his pay-per-view for a minute but he ends up not showing up for one of the things, blowing off one of the appearances,
Starting point is 01:39:25 one of the WC, one of the nitro appearances ends up suing WCW somehow for somehow money. They didn't pay him, even though they gave him like $2 million to not even do all the things he was contracted to do. Right. WCW was so stupid reason why they're out of business rather than tell him to go fuck himself.
Starting point is 01:39:43 Instead of doing that, they end up signing him to go fuck himself instead of doing that they end up signing him to another deal and gave him more money for another few appearances jesus that was the deal how stupid they are another like million and a half dollars or some crazy shit let's make names so that we can go do this yeah it's it's insane yeah so in the first battle he had here it's him and hulk hogan versus diamond dallas page and carl malone yeah he actually didn't look terrible no he didn't and he's too skinny compared to the rest of the guys malone's jacked hogan's 300 pounds to 280 and you know ddp's a 250 pound strong looking guy too rodman
Starting point is 01:40:16 looked real skinny out there but like they had him do an arm drag and they were like oh oh look at it like yeah he he did fucking day two of training school. Holy shit. Did he learn how to take a back bump yet? Can he hit the ropes? He did an arm drag. Okay, that's move one. And so they made a big deal out of it, I remember.
Starting point is 01:40:35 Oh, my goodness. He's been training with the best, and he's so good and all this shit. And he looked like shit the rest of the match, whatever. Then the next one they did was him and Hulk Hogan versus Diamond Dallas Page and and jay leno oh boy which is the most embarrassing thing ever put on television jesus ever in the history of the earth they've done that jay leno yeah in a fucking ring yeah with warm-up pants and a t-shirt on uh-huh fucking fighting hulk hogan wow physically yeesh out there got hulk hogan in an arm bar and hulk hogan was down on the ground acting like he was hurt they're lucky they got him out of his denim suit that's yeah it's he said can i wear denim they're like jay it's really weird to wear a denim shirt while
Starting point is 01:41:12 you wrestle it's strange the pants we get it we get it but just wear some warm-ups and uh yeah it was pathetic and dennis rodman was out of it apparently he showed up at the last minute kind of fucked up yeah and uh basically looked like he was falling asleep on the ropes on the side while he was waiting to get tagged in the best he was a fucking disaster he was a mess and they've done that they may as well uh i i implore uh the wwe to get james uh and and aaron mankey to fight i want to see i want to see you you and i don't know anything about him. Why would I fight him? We don't even care.
Starting point is 01:41:46 It's just a podcast, guy. Oh, it's just a... Oh, another... Okay, you just picked a... I was like, why... It's just a podcast. I was like, why do we hate him? I don't even know him.
Starting point is 01:41:52 Do we know him? I was like, did he do something to us? No. Which one is he? Lor? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. I don't know that fucking guy. I don't know anything he does.
Starting point is 01:41:59 I think. You know, or... I don't care. Any of them. I'm sure he's a nice guy. Anybody... That seems like a nice guy i'm gonna get any of the guys on the last podcast that's right ben kissel's like six seven is it
Starting point is 01:42:09 he's like i'll wrestle him six seven three bills i think he'll kill you i'll bite his fucking he's kind of a pussy though i'm just kidding sorry ben kissel they're nice guys i'm sure i just want to seem like nice guys anyway there's so many podcasts that are here towards wrestling yeah i'll bet somebody's got to pick this up. A lot of them have wrestlers on them. You don't want to fight them. No, no, no, no, no. I don't think you want to fight Colt Cabana. We met him. He's pretty strong. He looks it. He's not very tall.
Starting point is 01:42:34 No, but he's pretty strong. But he can whip my ass, I guarantee it. He'll just break you. I don't want to fight him. I'll fight Bruce Prichard. Yeah? Is he elderly? He's like 60 and overweight. Something to wrestle. We've referenced their show because we've done a bunch of stuff about wrestlers and so yeah funny show uh him or conrad i'll take you down conrad too god damn it he's an overweight mortgage broker
Starting point is 01:42:56 i'll fight him right now damn it i'll tell you he's a nice guy too so anyway there's so many i'd love to watch podcast wrestling that would would be hilarious. Podcast Wrestling Federation. Podcast death match? Yes. Claymation style? Yeah, let's do it. That I like. I would watch that.
Starting point is 01:43:12 I don't have to get hurt. Yeah. Nobody has to do anything. It'd be me and you like double teaming people. Somebody distract them. Somebody else comes and hits them with a chair in the back and fucking. That's what it would be. Throw a bidet.
Starting point is 01:43:20 Throw a metal fan. You know how it would go. All sorts of. Yeah. Throw whoever through this. Throw somebody through a wood chipper. Yeah claymation it's fantastic so speaking of claymation dennis robbins in more movies no kidding uh tv show he appears in 17 episodes of soldier of fortune inc the fuck is that never heard of it but it ran for at least 17 episodes
Starting point is 01:43:44 that he was in. He played Deke Reynolds. Okay. That was back when these shows would be just syndicated shows where they would just sell. They'd make like 30 of them and sell them off to syndication. Yeah. April 19th, 1998, a Las Vegas casino worker here, a woman named Dixie Johnson, claims that rodman sexually assaulted her yeah uh by grabbing one of her breasts uh in a casino she's seeking compensatory damages of three hundred thousand
Starting point is 01:44:12 dollars and punitive damages of three million dollars wow that's a lot of expensive titty wow man i mean look ma'am you can't go around grabbing them. No, but that's a steep price to pay. I'd like to see those. Wow. Jesus. So Craig Sager's front row. He's waving money around. Now, in another lawsuit filed against him, because this was multiple lawsuits here.
Starting point is 01:44:41 This is when lawsuits start to come. James Brasich, who's a craps dealer at the mirage he's seeking three hundred thousand dollars in contempt compensatory and punitive damages he claims rodman humiliated him by rubbing his bald head stomach and groin with dice before rolling them he said i'm gonna roll i'll rub it on you for luck that's ridiculous he's a drunken dick but it's not worth 300 grand. You said rubbing his ball. I thought you were going to say he pulled his balls out and rubbing it on people. The casino should give you an extra day of PTO.
Starting point is 01:45:11 That's what it should be like. Yeah, that was kind of fucked. Yeah, you were embarrassed. You know what? Tell you what. You get an extra day of PTO for putting up with that asshole. How many times have people rubbed his bald head for luck, though? That's what I mean.
Starting point is 01:45:22 Do you know what I mean? That's a common thing. With dice. Yeah. He rubbed his balls. He rubbed his groin. I don't know. That's not normal. a common thing with dice yeah he rubbed his balls i rubbed his groin i don't know that's not normal oh it was his balls it was his head stomach and groin oh okay i missed that still it's it's i don't know you're a guy get over it you know what i mean come on dude so step it up uh i feel like if it was it was just some fucking drunk guy from ohio who came in for the weekend i don't think there'd be a lawsuit
Starting point is 01:45:42 involved the man has he'd get tossed out of the mirage and that's the end of it. His leopard spots had fucking died into his hair. What are you expecting from him? And not to mention a federal lawsuit filed. A woman named Connie Wilcox claims that he sexually assaulted her at the Las Vegas Hilton by grabbing her sides near her breasts and lifting her up. She is a Hilton employee. She says the action caused the underwire of her bra to be pushed into her right breast, causing pain, discomfort, and bruising.
Starting point is 01:46:15 So she is seeking $1.5 million in compensatory damages with $9 million in punitive damages. Those are the most expensive boobs ever. He didn't even grab her boobs. 10.5 million for picking her up like you pick up a child, which is not okay to do to adult women. No, you can't do that either. But 10.5 million dollars? Worth of not right?
Starting point is 01:46:36 Holy shit. Holy shit. Wow. If somebody beat me with a lead pipe in the street, I wouldn't think to sue him for 10.5 million dollars. That's a lot of money. I'd be like, what, about $2 million do we get for that?
Starting point is 01:46:46 That's, you know, I got my ass kicked but millions of dollars and millions of dollars. Picked me up and relocated me and my underwire broke? Yeah, it didn't break. It just pushed up into her
Starting point is 01:46:54 and caused bruising. Oh, for Pete's sake. She said, pushed into her right breast causing pain, discomfort, and bruising, which those underwires suck but not $10.5 million
Starting point is 01:47:03 worth of suck. I don't think. That's a lot of suck. That's a bad and a half million dollars worth of suck i don't think that's a lot of suck that's a bad it's a huge amount of suck yeah that's big so november 14th 1998 he marries carmen electra yeah the fuck did that come from yeah i'll marry carmen electra if you don't know who carmen electra is it means that you're probably about 20 years old or less because she disappeared off the face of the earth. After Scary Movie? Fucking vanished.
Starting point is 01:47:28 Poof. Like it never happened. Right. Gone like Elvis. They killed her in the first Scary Movie and so did her career. Never came back. Never came back. She was a very famous woman for being pretty. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:38 Back then. From Baywatch. Yeah, but she was only on. Was she on Baywatch? I think she was on Baywatch because she was pretty on MTV. Yeah, I don't know. Was that it? She was pretty on TV, so she was pretty on MTV. I don't know. Is that it? She was pretty on TV, so she was pretty on TV.
Starting point is 01:47:48 She's not a good actress. And then she also got this other job where she was pretty on TV. She's not a good actress. And then there's other things where she was just pretty. She was pretty pretty, though. She was very pretty on TV. Literally terrible actress. The worst.
Starting point is 01:47:59 She was in those spoof movies because she was so bad. She's like Denise Richards level actress. Right. She's not good. No. Yeah. those spoof movies because she was so bad she's like denise richards level actress right she's not good no uh yeah so uh nine days later dennis files for an annulment saying he was too drunk when he married her and didn't know what he was doing so then a publicist for carmen electra says that this is amazing so this is weird you get married at the in vegas at the little white chapel deal they get married then nine days later he says he's too drunk. Then your wife's publicist comes out
Starting point is 01:48:26 and says that her client married Dennis Rodman fair and square. She says that he was saying he was too drunk. That should be discounted. She said that Rodman faxed her a handwritten note rejecting the suggestion that his agent made publicly saying that he wasn't in his right mind. And the statement said, quote, I love Carmen and i'm proud to be married to her carmen is begging for his hand of marriage you're like don't embarrass me don't marry me publicly ever be on every damn tv show
Starting point is 01:48:55 then say you were too drunk and didn't know what you were doing like i'm carmen like i'm a fucking hooker you picked up on the old strip the hell are you talking about i'm one of the most desired women in america everyone wants to have sex with me do you understand that except dennis rodman you know the advances i had to fend off from david hasselhoff don't make me fucking smack you he's drunker than you damn it he sang me german songs just fucking be my husband sent me a picture of him straddling the Berlin Wall and rubbing it, singing things. So December 8th, 1998 is less than a month later. Officers are called to the Bentley Hotel in South Beach in Miami at about 7 a.m.
Starting point is 01:49:37 After receiving reports of screaming and fighting from a hotel room, Dennis Robin and Carmen Electra had been out all night at various nightclubs in south beach and got back at about 4 30 in the morning now uh apparently what ends up happening is the officers are summoned uh rodman told officers that they went out and partied and went back to the hotel and went to sleep only to wake up when carmen electra poked. He says she poked him with a rose stem and punched him. Okay? That's his story. Her story, which makes no sense. Her story is that they were watching TV when they got back to the room, and Rodman became
Starting point is 01:50:15 agitated when he saw a former boyfriend of hers on TV. Now it makes sense. He said, quote, you fucking whore. Get the fuck out of here. Go with Fred, whoever Fred is. I don't know. Someone from MTV. Hopefully not Durst in this time period.
Starting point is 01:50:31 I hope that didn't happen. But anyway, he told her, yes, you're a fucking whore. Get the fuck out of here. So she says that he then grabbed her and threw her on the bedroom floor, yelling and screaming at her. Then he threw her outside the room, room onto the concrete walkway. She reentered the room and began punching him about the body, she says,
Starting point is 01:50:53 and yelled, quote, how can you do this to me? And then they both began to wrestle on the bed. And then she, she fled to another room and he followed her and, and threw a purse at her through her, like, here, take your purse too. Well, it's better than, what's his name?
Starting point is 01:51:08 Who do we have? J.R. Ryder who would take women's purses and run away. He's saying, make sure you take your purse. I don't want to be the next J.R. Ryder. I don't want to be arrested for theft. Hey, J.R. Ryder every time. Come on. So, yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:22 So, a representative said that her injuries were extremely minor. They said there was a minor scratch on her lip. Rodman's T-shirt was torn. Both were arrested because it's one of those. It's a domestic violence call. They both look tattered. You take them both in. He said he appeared in court and he said he seemed awfully shook up.
Starting point is 01:51:43 You're on vacation with your family in South Beach, and you see fucking Carmen Electra and Dennis Rodman being paraded down the hallway in cuffs. Jesus Christ. Was that fucking Dennis Rodman? Yeah. Judge orders them to stay away from each other. Hey, stupids, stop it. He says, quote, I feel sorry.
Starting point is 01:52:03 I guess it's one of those situations. I don't know what that means. It's not one of those. You don't have those situations. Yeah. One of his, the couple's lawyer, a lawyer for both of them. Whose lawyer is this? He says, they both tell me that this was a misunderstanding.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Neither one wants to press charges. He called the arrests an overreaction. And that was that. Dennis Rodman was in town filming the movie Cutaway, which don't worry, we'll talk about. And he said both of them are really upset that they've been charged. Dennis really more upset that she's been charged. And yeah, they're not supposed to go near each other. So 98, 99, he's still playing basketball, by the way.
Starting point is 01:52:41 Of course. He's still playing basketball, by the way. Of course. January 15th, 1999, he's arrested and charged with being drunk in public and causing a disturbance in Newport Beach, California. Yeah, he was just fucking he's a goddamn mess. He was at the Woody's Wharf restaurant and bar, and it was about 915 Saturday night. And they called police alleged that mr robin was intoxicated and causing a disturbance and he was booked for investigation of public intoxication and spent a few hours in jail and then bailed himself out january 21st a week later 1999 the bulls release
Starting point is 01:53:18 him like we don't really need this and this was after jordan left now he retired this was when the bulls were in free fall their record was terrible they're like why do we have this guy on the team he's why are we paying him right this is stupid so they release him february 23rd a month later 99 he signed as a free agent with the lakers i don't know if you remember that i do remember that yeah he uh ends up playing for the lakers here uh not enough to really fucking matter, though. 98-99 Lakers. He plays in like 23 games. He still averages 11.2 rebounds a game, which is still not bad.
Starting point is 01:53:51 So March of 99, there's a woman who's accused of stalking Dennis Rodman. What? She's held on $50,000 bail. She pleads innocent to three counts of making terroristic threats and one count of electronic stalking. Yeah. So, yeah, she's all over him.'s carmen electro isn't it no it's a woman named uh uh marie jesus bogazuski oh boy wow that's a quite the name she allegedly emailed and called his former agent hundreds of times to request a date with rodman uh she apparently learned the messages
Starting point is 01:54:22 weren't being forwarded to rodman so she threatened to kill the employees of the agency. Wow. And, yeah, so she also has faced, she's also in Illinois, faces charges of aggravated assault against her father and aunt. Unreal. Just a little loopy, I think, altogether here. Rodman made a million for that little foray of 23 games, so not too bad. April 16th, he's waived by the by the lakers they don't need him anymore uh repeated team violations late arrivals to practice and a four game leave of
Starting point is 01:54:53 absence when he just got there yeah so yeah he does uh a movie comes out though called simon says i remember that s e z snipes i don't remember s S-E-Z. Simon Says. I don't know. He's the star. He plays Simon. That's what it is. It's because of... He says. He's Simon of Demolition Man. It's like a runoff of that because he had the Demolition Man hair.
Starting point is 01:55:15 Is it a prequel or a fucking sequel? It's one of those things. Oh, no. It's a spinoff of that shit. Or he plays Wesley Snipes. Something like that. I'm like me, but taller and shittier at acting. But worse. But better better paying my fucking taxes but good at paying taxes but not child support as we'll talk about later on april 1999 carmen electro files for divorce yeah that's that there that's the end of
Starting point is 01:55:37 that marriage so uh april 23rd 1999 a judge refuses to dismiss a lawsuit against rodman uh by this is a uh put on by a cocktail server named susan patterson who claims that rodman jammed a hundred dollar bill down her blouse and grabbed her breast uh i guess and as a fee for the hundred dollar tip or whatever the fuck he thought he was doing there uh the uh said that it her lawyer said it's outrageous conduct and they want the suit to proceed and the judge says it can proceed and so it goes on uh august 1999 rodman is arrested on august 24 on august 21st after a disturbance at a bar again uh misdemeanor public drunkenness uh they said they didn't they decided not to charge him with public drunkenness because he was so drunk that he could not care for his own safety he was so drunk he didn't even
Starting point is 01:56:31 know he was publicly drunk they over served him that's yeah so it's not his fault it's theirs yeah they kept they're not going to tell dennis robin he's cut off no he's fun yeah he's great so 99 2000 here uh de December 22nd, 1999. He's driving his Bentley in the South Coast Plaza parking lot at about 6 p.m. And he'd been at the Clubhouse restaurant, which is in the strip mall there. As he's leaving, a mall security guard is notified by the restaurant's management that he'd been drinking. So the go, what the fuck kind of restaurant management tells a mall security guard? That's just the weirdest chain of evidence I've ever heard of chain of whatever the fuck restaurants generally don't tell on themselves.
Starting point is 01:57:15 A and then B, what are they telling the mall security guard? Call the police, man. So the guard who saw Rodman get in the car called police. That's exactly what he did. The police said, quote, they called us. We responded and stopped him off in the car called police. That's exactly what he did. The police said, quote, they called us, we responded and stopped him off in the parking lot.
Starting point is 01:57:28 The officers detected the odor of an alcoholic beverage, slurred speech, and bloodshot eyes. His blood alcohol level was.15, which is almost double the legal limit there.
Starting point is 01:57:39 And yeah, so he's driving his Bentley hammered. He says, quote, I know some people were upset about the arrest, but I think the police were just doing their job. They weren't upset with the police.
Starting point is 01:57:49 They're upset with you, stupid. He literally said it like, I know people are mad at the cops for arresting me, but it's cool. And he means that. He's not being funny. He then said that all he had was a couple of beers. That's all. And he said, they're just doing their job. They're just doing their job.
Starting point is 01:58:05 We know. We're not upset with them. No, we're not at you, you big dummy. When people call them and say, hey, we think a guy's about to drive drunk, their job is to go look at it. And then if you are drunk, their job's to fucking arrest you. It's clearly what their job is. Like if someone misses a three-pointer, it's your job to try to go collect that shit.
Starting point is 01:58:21 It's the same thing. No one would go, oh, don't be mad at him because I missed the three-pointer he's just doing his job getting the rebound no one cares about him you missed the shot stupid so yeah uh february 3rd 2000 he signs with the dallas mavericks they have to have him really yep this was when mark cuban was new he was still it was still like up in the air it was still like getting finalized as part of the team. Is this the old jerseys? Yeah, this is pre-Mark Cuban. Is it the fucking M with the hat on it? No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:58:51 I think this is just blue with Mavericks and white letters on it. Here, he tells them, though, that he can't start playing with them until after the Super Bowl and Pro Bowl because he's scheduled to make 10 parties that he's going to get appearance fees for. I got to go drink a whole bunch, and then I'll go play basketball for money for you. Not really that committed, it doesn't seem like. So he plays for 12 games for Dallas, averages 14.3 rebounds a game somehow. And finally on March 8th, he is waived by the Mavericks. And that is it for Dennis Rodman's NBA career. He plays in 911 games games he averages 13.1
Starting point is 01:59:27 rebounds a game which is outstanding over a career over a career and that includes the end and the beginning so I mean wow he led the league in rebounding seven years in a row so that's pretty fucking good unreal and rebounds per game and he there was times where he was averaging 6.4, 5.9, 5.7 offensive rebounds a game, which is just points. That can translate right to points. Those are putbacks. Those are second-chance baskets. That's a lot.
Starting point is 01:59:53 So very valuable guy. So valuable he made about $27 million and change in his career. In pay. In basketball pay. Plus party fees. Oh, Jesus. He's got all his pro bowl fees uh he also appears uh in uh as in a movie called cutaway that he was filming right carmen electro
Starting point is 02:00:13 as randy turbo kingston which sounds like a chapelle show character uh also in this movie tom barringer so not that jake taylor from. So we have that. Now, the 24th of 2000, March, he settles that Wilcox, the Wilcox, Connie Wilcox lawsuit here. The cocktail waitress who accused him of picking her up by the sides and hurting her boob. Here, it's a settlement. They don't say. He gave her money, though, basically. They don't say.
Starting point is 02:00:42 It's undisclosed as part of the deal. 2000, he's seeing a woman named Michelle Moyer. He gave her money, though, basically. They don't say it's undisclosed as part of the deal. 2000, he's seeing a woman named Michelle Moyer. And at this point, he has a son with this woman, Michelle. He's been seeing her for about a year and a half now. He has a son with her. His son is born. No.
Starting point is 02:00:58 He found a new fucking way, dude. What did he do? He named his son DJ Dennis Junior Rodman. What the fuck are you doing? That's not even a thing. No. It's not Dennis Keith Rodman Jr. It's not. It's not Jr. Rodman. What the fuck are you doing? That's not even a thing. No. It's not Dennis Keith Rodman Jr. It's not.
Starting point is 02:01:09 It's not Jr. He named him Dennis Jr. Rodman. Wow. Like he's Dennis Jr. Oh boy. Get it? Dennis Jr. Rodman. He found a fucking new way to do it.
Starting point is 02:01:20 You dumb shit. I give up. You know what? Thanks for listening, everybody. Driving sports has been fun. Everybody have a good one. I've had enough of this shit. That's how Otis Nixon? Thanks for listening, everybody. Driving sports has been fun. Everybody have a good one. I've had enough of this. That's how Otis Nixon Jr. was named, though.
Starting point is 02:01:30 He was Otis Jr. Nixon Jr. At least he named him after him and then a junior. This guy was like, I want him to be a junior. He's Dennis Jr. That's not how it works. No one told him? Dennis Jr. Jesus H. Christ, Dennis.
Starting point is 02:01:43 Fuck. Jesus Jr. Christ Jr. He calls him dj he calls him dj okay i thought he was i thought it was named dj dennis jr jenis jr dj dennis jr uh july of 2000 dui court yay uh he pleads guilty to misdemeanor drunken driving and driving without a california license when he was arrested here uh he will pay two thousand dollars in fines have to attend a three-month alcohol program his driving restrictions will be uh her driving privileges will be restricted to to and from work and to and from the alcohol program uh my they do say that he voluntarily enrolled in the alcohol program before the plea was entered you'll notice whenever he fucks up he immediately goes to rehab he starts fixing it and then when he goes to court he goes well i bet i i know i fucked up and i know it's because i was fucking drunk and i went to rehab and i just got out and then they're way more they're way more lenient he's smart problem he's
Starting point is 02:02:37 smart like that yeah oh yeah pr he knows how to get in front of pr 2001 he has a daughter named trinity oh so another kid here for him uh he is the third one yeah it's trinity yeah exactly smart thank you uh january 2002 newport beach police again arrest him he's really popular in newport beach he's arrested at a restaurant uh josh slocum's uh which rodman co-owns really he gets arrested his own restaurant for delay suspicion of delaying a police investigation apparently they were serving beverages past closing time past the you know legal closing time and police showed up and dennis was basically trying to yeah keep them out yeah and uh not
Starting point is 02:03:17 it's cool no we'll come on he's trying to you know and they said how about we'll take you to fucking jail if you don't stop it and let us in? He's like, no, no, no. And they went, oh, yes, yes, yes. You're just doing your job. Okay. I got to go to rehab. I got to go to rehab now. I'll be back. January 11, 2003, he's arrested again after a woman reports that he assaults her.
Starting point is 02:03:37 The woman here, she said that she was picked up by cops here at 2 a.m. She called the cops near a parking lot near Rodman's home. The police sergeant said the woman had cuts and swelling to her upper lip and she claimed she had a bump on her head. They went to her, went to Rodman's residence, interviewed him and several witnesses and arrested him on suspicion of domestic violence. Yes. and arrested him on suspicion of domestic violence. Yes. So the police representative said,
Starting point is 02:04:08 Robin and the woman had some sort of dating relationship, but we don't know the extent of it. They're not married. And so that's that. He posts $25,000 bail and gets out. So on his birthday here on May 13th, because that was January, in May, he marries that woman, Michelle Moyer. The one he punched in the mouth.
Starting point is 02:04:22 Well, no, the one he had a pile of with just now. Oh, yeah, with Trinity. Trinity and DJ there. 42nd birthday, he marries her in 2003. And they had a private civil ceremony then. And they said the real wedding will take place on the second Saturday of June on the beach in front of his house. He said, everybody's invited. We will have a ceremony and a concert, too.
Starting point is 02:04:44 So there is that. They have children together, obviously two of them. And then he says, one thing, though, they do maintain separate residences and will continue to do so. They live two miles apart. And he says, we won't live together. He says, I like it like that. She and the kids can come over on weekends. She keeps me balanced.
Starting point is 02:05:04 She's cool what i'm just you can hear silence but if you could see my face right now i'm just i don't even know marriage that's not how that works i like it like that she and the kids can come over on weekends that's called a divorce you just want to be divorced you don't want to be married you want to skip right ahead to the divorce part see he likes to make his life shit to get his place to get out in front of the problem that's the thing it's like yeah get right on visitation on the weekends just like dennis you can see them every day he's like no no we'll be divorced eventually though i want to get out in front of this shit jesus christ so uh 2003 that summer he's got more lawsuits uh former playboy
Starting point is 02:05:43 model tina new files a 10 million dollar lawsuit against him saying that he sexually assaulted her four years ago at his home and uh he ends up settling that one out of court uh tina this is crazy is a witness in an unrelated murder trial of an ex-boyfriend of hers who she claims killed his millionaire wife it says in this article it's fucking crazy why is she around so much crazy she's around a lot of crazy playboy man playboy what the fuck uh yeah she according the lawsuit rodman quote continuously threw her around into different sexual positions grabbing her all over the body in a rough manner and also forced her to drink two
Starting point is 02:06:22 uh shots of an unidentified alcohol. He's a problem like Andy Dick, only he's physically menacing. Only he's enormous. Andy Dick, you can just shove down and he'll fall and be like, nah! He'll fall down and he'll wake up tomorrow and he'll find his way home. But Dennis will hurt you. He can dominate a room physically. It's a different story.
Starting point is 02:06:44 She waited 10 days to report the incident and the police were not able to gather physical evidence, obviously. And there was no charges against him. He says the accusation is false. And his attorney says this matter will be defended vigorously, vigorously. There's another here. A panel voted that Rodman attended to vote that Rodman did not sexually batter or inflict emotional distress on Joe. Joe Len and McGowan here. They also held in a nine to three vote that McGowan was not assaulted.
Starting point is 02:07:25 So, yes, she was suing him for false imprisonment and battery here uh which is crazy she alleged that she met rodman at a restaurant uh the same restaurant that he keeps getting that he got arrested at and he gave her a beer uh laced with something gave her a roofie and she claimed that rodman took her home and raped her and then no files were no charges were ever filed and that was that uh his lawyer says quote i think he gets a lot of bad press a lot of it's undeserved and i think this is a very positive reaction that it's you know they they uh the court yeah voted for him but this is constant this is a problem like it's a lot when you're that famous though you can't just be fucking what no why would you do that why would you have any any any inkling any why would you put yourself in any position?
Starting point is 02:08:05 You've got to be like, I've got to be cool. I've got to be cool because people are looking at me. Don't put yourself in any position where that's even a possibility. But for him, though, he needs to drink. Yeah. That's the problem. It's his favorite. He has to.
Starting point is 02:08:14 Yeah. October 19, 2003, he's arrested for DUI. Yeah. He is treated for minor injuries and released after he crashed his motorcycle while doing stunts outside a strip club. Drunk. Drunk. Wow. He's drunk doing stunts on a motorcycle outside of a strip club.
Starting point is 02:08:31 That's the fucking stupidest, fucking dumbest shit. But if there was a place that somebody told you Dennis Rodman was drunk doing stunts on a motorcycle. They go, where is it? Outside of Vegas strip club? And they go, yeah, absolutely. Vegas strip club. So now he's again arrested, again taken in taken in a bug how many times how many much bail has he posted oh it's insane yeah he gets out of there and he's like fuck i gotta turn my life
Starting point is 02:08:54 around how many times has he said had that conversation with himself i gotta turn my fucking life around i gotta do this is terrible i can't do i gotta do it today and uh at this point he gets home he said new life man yeah new fucking life he's decided he was going to sell his house in vegas he's going to get out of there he's going to do a different thing living in vegas well he had a place there and shit like that and he's like i gotta do this he goes i'm gonna get a new place i'm gonna do this all this shit so you know he needs help doing all this and he invites somebody over and they come over and it's dexter manley interior decorator ready to help him with his new house yeah and he says how is it you've come to arrive here seriously Dennis I'm sorry uh but you are white trash oh my god a DUI for doing motorcycle tricks and stunts or whatever you're doing on that silly thing
Starting point is 02:09:45 in front of a strip club? Seriously, Dennis? Was it a straight club? I'm just going to ask you. I'm not judging. Who's judging here? It's fine. By the way, that boa is spectacular.
Starting point is 02:09:56 I'm not going to lie to you. But back to the subject. You are white trash, mister, and I'm sorry. You're marrying women. You're beating them up. You're grabbing boobs left and right, stuffing hundreds in the... What are you doing? Stop.
Starting point is 02:10:08 Stop being dumb, you white trash moron. Poof. In a puff of boas and glitter and purple feathers that he's gone. And Dennis is like, that guy's outfit was sweet. He liked his pants. Snatched a boa out of the air and wrapped it around. Wrapped it around himself. It was wild.
Starting point is 02:10:27 So 2004, he plays for the Long Beach Jam for a little while. Oh, no. Who cares about that? April 4th, he's in DUI. April 2004, he's in DUI court. He pleads no contest to drunken driving in the stupid motorcycle accident. And he is not required to show up to put his plea in. But his plea is entered on his behalf
Starting point is 02:10:46 yeah and you sir yeah may fuck off 30 days house arrest so not really fucking off he lives in a nice place stay home that's when i should have had dexter come in there he said man i'm stuck here for 30 days i gotta redecorate damn it sorry i fucked up my segue. So also, a judge finds him $1,000, and he is required to have a blowy on his car. A blowy on his motorcycle? On something. On his device on something. His wife files for divorce at this point. And so there's that.
Starting point is 02:11:19 That goes on here. But they won't get divorced until 2012. But she'll be not lived together. She's gone. It's just legally. 2004, he plays for the ABA's Orange County Crush. He plays for the Tijuana Dragons. He even played a game
Starting point is 02:11:36 for the Torpan Pojat in Finland. Torpan Pojat. What the fuck that is. 2005, he poses naked for Peter. He'd rather go naked than wear fur. He's the first male athlete to do that at all. Also travels to Finland that year where he was supposed to participate.
Starting point is 02:11:57 He goes to Sankajärvi where he is supposed to participate in the wife-carrying contest. At least he's better than beating he said he had a health problem of some kind he couldn't carry a woman across Finland so he wasn't going to do that it's what I mean the wife beating guy he's like oh I'll be there for that one also he publishes another book here I should be dead by now
Starting point is 02:12:19 and that's the truth another book in 2005 and he becomes commissioner of the lingerie football league he was the commissioner for 2005 really which is now called it's now called legends football league yeah because it's i mean yeah you know they put the seven on seven tackle league where women played in their underwear what a weird fucking thing to do let's not call it what it is let's just they're legends for what they're doing. It's pretty legendary. So January 26, 2006, Rodman signs a one-game deal to play with a U.K. team,
Starting point is 02:12:56 goes over to England and plays for the Brighton Bears of the British Basketball League. So he does that. Also goes to play some exhibition games in the Philippines with Daryl Dawkins, Kevin Willis, Calvin Murphy, and Alex English. I'd watch. That's interesting. Also, they defeated a Filipino team over there. And he scored five points and had 18 rebounds.
Starting point is 02:13:18 So just went right along with his normal numbers here. Yeah. So Rodman also appears in a bunch of reality shows here. He appeared in Celebrity Big Brother in the UK. While he was over there doing basketball, he's going to film some shit. He's on Celebrity Big Brother UK edition. Celebrity, or I'm sorry, Love Island on the UK as a house guest. He was just there for a week.
Starting point is 02:13:44 And also he appears in the US on the Celebrity Mole Show on ABC with Stephen Baldwin, Jesus Christ, Corbin Bernson, Mark Curry, remember Mr. Cooper, Angie Everhart, who was in a bunch of shitty B-movies, Tracy Gold, the Growing Pains Who the hell? Ananda Lewis. Oh, isn't she? Amanda Lewis. No, it's Ananda. It's Ananda? I don't know who that is, though. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:14:09 Keisha Knight Pulliam. Rudy. Oh, yeah. Fucking Rudy. I remember this show. And Dennis Rodman. Ananda Lewis. I think she is a...
Starting point is 02:14:16 Ananda Lewis. Is she a BET host? I don't know. I want to say from the 90s. I'm trying to think of these 90s stars, and it's hard to... Because that's who they all are. Because I think that's who that is, because we used to watch BET a lot, because they had good videos. So anyway, he's also 2008 Hulk Hogan Celebrity Championship Wrestling.
Starting point is 02:14:32 He's involved in that. He's going back to that? Yeah, he was also in TNA in 2004 for a minute, but he made one appearance. I won't even mention that, because TNA deserves no mention anywhere. So he comes out. Oh, by the way, he won $220,000 on he won 220 000 on celebrity yeah he did that's why he won it that's why i remember it uh he appears as a contestant on the hulk hogan celebrity wrestling and uh jesus christ he's the winner of the series defeating challengers such as butterbean
Starting point is 02:14:57 oh and dustin diamond jesus he beat screech up he beat up screech it's if it's it's not it's not real no it's wrestling he would he didn't actually fight butterbean butterbean would murder him i want him to fight screech if butterbean hit dennis rodman he'd fall out of the ring he would crumble him so uh may 1st 2008 dennis rodman arrested here uh for domestic battery he's taken into custody and uh he hit a woman she suffered injuries to her arms apparently he. He posts $50,000 bail and is released. The woman he hit is his girlfriend, Gina Peterson. So right away, he enters a rehab facility in Florida.
Starting point is 02:15:34 Right after that. Is it rehab for beating chicks? Well, it's for alcohol and beating chicks, I think, comes with the alcohol. So I'm in rehab for chick beating. June of 2008, he pleads no contest to misdemeanor spousal battery. That's what he does. Go to rehab, plead no contest. And he's sentenced to three years probation.
Starting point is 02:15:52 Wow. One year. Start something. One year domestic violence counseling and 45 days of community service. And yeah, he's arrested there. His manager says, quote, his life has not been going smoothly for the last few months he's not been able to see his kids and he's been drinking too much so problems 2009 he appears on celebrity apprentice as you might remember hosted by the president yeah uh just weird to say
Starting point is 02:16:17 uh so it was cindy lopper on his this one jesus christ which one was this um oh god damn it cindy lopper i don't remember and i didn't it didn't reason by it here uh so he ended up uh uh being the fifth person eliminated yeah and uh his behavior was so weird on the show that phil jackson and his family and friends had an intervention for him to say look dude you're on TV looking like a fucking idiot and drunk and shit. Get your head out of your ass. Phil Jackson had to do this. Wow. And he first,
Starting point is 02:16:48 he refused to enter rehab because, you know, he's already been there 40 times. And also he's not arrested. Well, he also said that he wanted to attend the Celebrity Apprentice Reunion show. So he was going to wait till after.
Starting point is 02:16:58 I got parties to go to. So, wow. Working fees. Yeah. So eventually he goes and he also agrees later on that year to appear on celebrity rehab so he goes from celebrity apprentice to celebrity rehab he remains in there and uh he also remains at the sober house show and does a season of that uh wow may as well
Starting point is 02:17:19 yeah they they reunited him with his mother shirley who he hadn't talked to in seven years. Yeah. And also, Shirley met Rodman's two kids for the first time. Wow. On Salon Sober House there. DJ? Yeah, DJ and the other one. Trinity. Trinity, thank you. So, third one.
Starting point is 02:17:35 So, January 2010, the day Celebrity Rehab premieres on television, Rodman is removed from a restaurant in California for disruptive behavior. television rodman is removed from a restaurant in california for disruptive behavior uh they tell him that uh the law enforcement said that he was drinking at a restaurant and the cops were called after several patients uh patients patrons complained and called the cops about his insanity when the police arrived they said he was cooperative with the officers and eventually agreed to leave they had to talk to him a little. So summer of 2010, Jesus Christ, he's at a party in the Hamptons, and I don't know where this came from,
Starting point is 02:18:10 but apparently there was a microphone there, and he had a cordless microphone, and he was making like saying shit, probably from the DJ stand or whoever's playing the music there at the party. And then after that, he got about a half a dozen women and brought them to an upstairs bedroom and left the microphone on.
Starting point is 02:18:27 So basically, it's him saying horribly dirty shit to six different women while he fucks them. Not knowing that it's being broadcast to an entire pool party over a PA system. And a neighborhood. And a neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah, you can hear that forever. Yeah, for the whole fucking beach and his his agent would come out and and you know he says quote he was unaware of the microphone being turned on i do know he had a few drinks in him i want the transcript yeah and a few girls
Starting point is 02:18:55 had him in them so uh 2010 and now herpes and now herpes also don't forget that october 2010 police kick him out of surf and sands bar uh they asked him this host the staff asked him to quiet down several times and when he didn't they called police and uh he was taken away yeah so he says at this point in time he has a statement about his fame this is fucking amazing he said quote if you rank the 10 most identifiable people on the planet, I'd be number five. This is in 2010 he said this. Okay. I'd come in right after God, Jesus,
Starting point is 02:19:32 Muhammad Ali, and Barack Obama. But take away the top four's bodyguards and entourages and put them on a busy street in New York City and I bet no one would recognize any of them. They'd recognize me, though, and I don't even try to stick out.
Starting point is 02:19:47 What? I don't even know where to begin. What is he talking about? How do you even start to deconstruct that? He takes the disciples away from Jesus, and nobody knows who he is. God and his entourage. He's always known for his big entourage around.
Starting point is 02:20:00 Jesus, we don't know anything about any of this shit. Muhammad Ali is pretty fucking recognizable without anybody around. He's the shaky guy who looks like muhammad ali he's the shaky guy that's mumbling i'm the champ and obama was you know the most famous man on the face of the planet at that point being the president of the united states and all that sort of shit so i'm not positive that he's correct on that there are people uh that are under 20 that have no fucking idea who you are, Rodman. My daughter said, who are you doing this week on Crime and Sports?
Starting point is 02:20:28 I said, Dennis Rodman. She said, who's that? Exactly. Done. Not a fucking idea who he is. 2011 Basketball Hall of Fame. Elected. Really?
Starting point is 02:20:37 Great fucking player. He deserves it. Led the league in rebounding for seven years. That's right. Also brought in that year, Chris Mullen. Artis Gilmore. years. That's right. Also brought in that year, Chris Mullen, Artis Gilmore, who was nasty. Artis Gilmore, Arvidas Sabonis in that year.
Starting point is 02:20:52 Yeah, Sabonis, because he was great. This is like, it's not just NBA. It's everything. Oh, it's everything. It's basketball. Overseas, he was an amazing player. Yeah, and a bunch of old guys. Tex Winter, who was one of the Bulls executives here.
Starting point is 02:21:09 Now, May 2012, Rodman faces four counts of contempt for failing to pay child support. He will be forced to do some community service, probably, they're saying, because he's going to be forced. He owes over, let's see, he owes $808,935 in unpaid child support for his two kids, with an additional $51,441 in unpaid spousal support. Wow. Yes. He says, his attorney says there's no way that Dennis could pay those bills because, quote, respondent Dennis Rodman is broke and cannot afford any additional fees. Dennis Rodman is broke? Legal fees.
Starting point is 02:21:38 Yeah. His lawyer also said that Dennis is extremely sick and isn't just making the same bank he made back in the heyday here. He says that he's just he's broke, basically. Also, he says the child, the big child support figures based on an order that Michelle obtained a while back when he was supposed to pay 50,000 a month in child support. Oh, God. And he's been fighting it since 2010.
Starting point is 02:22:03 His lawyer insists the monthly amount is unjustified because it isn't based on Dennis's actual income. It's based on ludicrous estimates made by Michelle's attorney, which that happens. Yes, so he could be sentenced up to 20 days in jail for failure to make future payments as well. He is sentenced to 104 hours of community service and three years probation after being
Starting point is 02:22:25 found guilty of contempt for not paying child support here. So, yeah, that's a you, sir, may fuck off, I guess. I mean, how bad do you have to feel for his kids? Yeah. Everyone else gets to see dad but us, basically. And what about his first fucking kids? I haven't heard them mentioned hide nor first for hair. The first one, he's got four kids. He's got four know four that's what he says later i don't know where the fourth
Starting point is 02:22:48 is but alexis trinity and dj there's another one out there somewhere i'm not sure but that's the hymn of the family so he should pay more attention to him that's the you know that's the latoya jackson the tiffany trump pay attention to that kid you know give a damn yeah something so uh yeah uh not great for him i feel i do feel bad for those kids i really do but not nearly as bad as i feel oh dennis rodman associate jesus christ well let's do this one first dennis rodman student at polytechnic of namibia oh no in another student another country and this guy, the most I feel bad for, Dennis Rodman, Associate Director of Global Quality at Bristol Myers Squibb in Englishtown, New Jersey. He works in a corporate job.
Starting point is 02:23:33 He has to put a dress shirt on and dress pants. And go be Dennis Rodman. And fucking shoes that are uncomfortable every day and go to work and have people go, not that Dennis Rodman. Yeah, he works for Bristol. You fucking idiots. By lunch, he's ready to kill five people. Every day.
Starting point is 02:23:49 Every goddamn day. July 31st, 2012, he's writing a children's book. How about you pay child support? Right. I'm writing my kids a book instead. Jesus Christ. It's called Dennis the Wild Bull. jesus christ it's called dennis the wild bull and he promises to convey good lessons to children based on dennis's own experiences as a world-class athlete while overcoming obstacles as a child
Starting point is 02:24:12 somebody asked him in this article why did you write a children's book i didn't even know you had kids he said quote i've got four i never wanted to be a father but i love having kids i think about them so much i have a tendency to love something I can't have. And if I can have something, I can't love it. What? He just said that I never wanted to be a father. I love having kids. I think about them all the time because I can't see them.
Starting point is 02:24:38 So that makes me like them. But if I liked them, if I saw them, I wouldn't love them. And that's not how fathers work. No. That's how your father was. That's not how you're supposed to be. February 2013, quickly,
Starting point is 02:24:49 we got a buzz through. He goes to North Korea like a fucking idiot. So weird. Yeah, I know that there's, we need diplomacy with countries not from this idiot. No.
Starting point is 02:24:56 This idiot has no place. Go drink in a bar in Newport Beach because you're a fucking moron. This guy's favorite basketball player was Dennis Rodman. That doesn't, I don't even believe that. No, no, no. He's a big fan of 90s Americanman. I don't even believe that. He's a big fan of 90s American culture.
Starting point is 02:25:08 I don't even believe that. I've heard that from everybody. Is that the new thing? No, no. The Bulls were his favorite team in the 90s. Big Michael Jordan, 90s. How old is he, though? Kim Jong-un.
Starting point is 02:25:18 Kim Jong-un's in his late 30s. Okay. I guess that makes sense. Yeah, in the 90s, that was his his jam so now he's a dictator that gets to hang out with it's really weird well fuck saddam hussein loved american movies did he fuck he loved the godfather favorite movie watched it all the time they said constantly loved it so weird uh i think because why do you guys hate us so much when you love us stop hating us because you love us doesn't care he just yeah kim jong-un is a fat kid who went to school in fucking...
Starting point is 02:25:45 In North Korea. He went to school in Europe. Did he really? Fuck yeah, he did. He was educated in Europe. Got him the fuck out of there. Yeah, to get an education. Educated in Europe.
Starting point is 02:25:53 He's totally into Western shit. He just needs to keep this weird military dictatorship and starve all his people like a fucking lunatic asshole. Because that's what his dad said to do. Yeah. So, yeah, he was a teenager in Switzerland when he was a big fan of basketball because that's when the bulls are the biggest thing in the world stop hating us love us oh god jesus christ so rodman there they said they were he said that they he got along so well with with kim jong-un he said quote i hang out with him all
Starting point is 02:26:19 the time we laugh we sing karaoke we do a lot of cool things together like skiing and riding horses skiing what are they taking a fucking uh the 20th anniversary to aspen what the fuck is this are we going to wine country you know is this summer skiing and riding horses this is like you're going to an aspen ski lodge right we're gonna go ride horses tomorrow then we're gonna hit the slopes and then we'll come back and do karaoke with Jack Nicholson. Is it the slopes, or is it like lake skiing? Jesus, yeah. Jet boat. Jet boat.
Starting point is 02:26:51 March 2013, he arrives in Vatican City during the voting for the new pope for some reason. He gets there, they said, what the fuck are you doing here? He said, I'm just promoting this website. It's a gambling website. It's about people who are going to bet on the new pope and if he's black you get your money back so if they like there was a couple black pope candidates and they said a black pope gets everyone's money back and uh yeah he uh the pope francis was a 25 to 1 long shot on that one yeah so someone cleaned up
Starting point is 02:27:21 on pope francis here 2013 he goes on celebrityity Apprentice, and he wins, again, he wins $20,000 for the Make-A-Wish Foundation. It's the sixth contestant kicked off. July 2013, he launches Bad Boy Vodka, which is not what he needs to do, have unlimited access to vodka. Fuck out of booze. He says, Bad Boy Vodka characterizes a tough yet and edgy yet smooth and classic taste a perfect representation of who and what i'm all about uh yeah website is no longer active yeah bad boy so bad boy vodka is fucking yeah no longer i wonder if uh if uh did he made him shut that's what i said i'm like how did you do bad boy i'm sure puff that he was
Starting point is 02:28:02 like no motherfucker hell no well i did that long but well not really long before it was mid 90s I'm like, how did he do Bad Boy Rodman? How are you doing that? I'm sure Puff Daddy was like, no, motherfucker. Hell no. Well, I did that long, but well, not really long before. It was way after. Just the mid-90s. Yeah, but Bad Boy Detroit was long before his bullshit. The Bad Boys. Yeah, that's true. Bad Boy like that.
Starting point is 02:28:13 You know what? Fuck you, Diddy. I don't think anyone's trademarked. You fucking hack. I don't think anyone's trademarking Bad Boy. That's what it is there at that point. So 2013, December, Rodman says he's going back to North Korea. so uh 2013 december rodman says he's going back to north korea he's going back with to do a basketball exhibition tour uh with kenny anderson that's right he brought friends cliff robinson
Starting point is 02:28:32 vin baker craig hodges doug christie i'm surprised his wife let him go god he's pathetic that doug christie just had to leave his balls yeah it's like here okay honey uh sleepy floyd if you saw it it's a crazy situation not that he's like it's bad to be nice to your wife his wife is weird and he's like i know she's bad but it's okay yeah i'll just to put up with it uh charles d smith not charles smith we covered the other charles smith the next charles the good one uh yeah so he goes there uh he does make comments on a cnn uh uh interview saying that an American, Kenneth Bae, who is being held prisoner in North Korea, must have done something wrong to end up in prison in North
Starting point is 02:29:12 What are you doing? That's what he said. Then right after that, he had all the players, he started a giant happy birthday to Kim Jong-un at one of the games that they played. That is so odd. He took the microphone and started a happy birthday to Kim Jong-un at one of the games that they played. That is so odd. He took the microphone and started a happy birthday to Kim Jong-un. There's an American in prison there and you're singing happy birthday to the dictator. While he starves his people.
Starting point is 02:29:34 Wow. It's a little weird. So a bunch of people met him when he got back from North Korea, when he got to China. And he said, quote, I'm not the president. I'm not the ambassador. I'm Dennis Rodman. I'm sorry for what's going on in North Korea, the certain situations. He said, yeah, but he's not sorry he went over there.
Starting point is 02:29:51 It's not my problem. Yeah, that's what he said, basically. And then his attorney said, Dennis is proud to be an American citizen, and his trips to North Korea have all been paid for by sponsors. It's just a publicity stunt. It's just money. Well, it is, too. This one was paid for i believe by a uh a cryptocurrency company paid him to go over there and fuck around bitcoin
Starting point is 02:30:10 yeah a state department official said that rodman's visit was quote marginally unhelpful in our relations with north korea uh john mccain senator john mccain the late senator john mccain had a different take he said quote i think he's an idiot so yeah and the department of treasurily a treasurably the department of treasury is investigating whether to charge him with a crime for a break for reportedly bringing kim jong-un thousands of dollars in luxury gifts on his in his vacation too can't bring dictators luxury gifts no uh or bring anything into north into North Korea because we have sanctions against them. That's the point. Then he releases Dennis the Wild Bull, the children's book.
Starting point is 02:30:52 January 15, 2014, rehab again. Yes. This came right after North Korea. And his representative said, quote, Dennis Rodman came back from North Korea in pretty rough shape emotionally. Representatives said, quote, Dennis Rodman came back from North Korea in pretty rough shape emotionally. The pressure that was put on him to be a combination superhuman political fixer and fixer got the best of him. No one put that pressure on him. No one asked you to do that. He did that himself.
Starting point is 02:31:13 We actually asked you not to do it. We begged you. The state said, please don't do that. Don't go, Dennis. Yeah, he said he's embarrassed, saddened, and remorseful for the anger and the hurt his words have caused. Later on, he did apologize for the anger and the hurt his words have caused later on he uh did apologize for the comments of the prisoner uh he said he apologized he said he was drunk when he said it literally said he'd been drinking that day in north korea and hanging out and didn't realize
Starting point is 02:31:37 what he was popping off at the mouth and he said i apologize if i could take his place i would is what he said well let's do it yeah let's see. I think it's a lot of booze problems. Let's see what he says about it. Let's do an In Their Own Words. I think Dennis Rodman, that music behind him was perfect. In Their Own Words, quote, I'm not an alcoholic. An alcoholic drinks seven days a week. I don't drink seven days a week.
Starting point is 02:32:02 When I drink, I don't hurt nobody. I don't have no duis nothing like that i didn't go to rehab for drinking there aren't too many people who quit drinking going to rehab not too many people can do that what what in the fuck are you talking about so many duis and so many rehab trips yeah you're mr rehab you get you get a dy on your way to rehab right that's how fucking bad you are wow but he's not an alcoholic uh carmen electra's on oprah in 2014 saying and uh she said that uh jesus christ people couldn't understand why i loved him because he had such a reputation for being a bad boy
Starting point is 02:32:36 what i saw in the beginning was this gentle giant that was in a lot of pain so he understood each other they were herpes they were herpes both them. We'll rub our sores together. She says, quote, when it was good, it was amazing. And when it was bad, it was the worst. So that's that. Yeah. Yeah. They crack and they bleed.
Starting point is 02:32:55 I would say July 2016. He's arrested for causing a car accident while driving on the wrong side of the freeway. Oh, my God. What? The five freeway in Santa Ana. It's not a little freeway. Santa Ana. What? The fucking interstate? It's not a little freeway. No. It's a fucking California.
Starting point is 02:33:07 Jesus. Six lane. 14 lane wide freeway. It's huge. Seven on each side. He apparently nearly collided with a sedan, forcing another driver to crash into a concrete barrier. He briefly stopped, but didn't exchange exchange any information or anything and then left before
Starting point is 02:33:25 officers arrived uh the other driver wasn't seriously injured and prosecutors don't know whether to file charges against him or not like this is really weird uh eventually they do he's charged with four misdemeanors causing a hit and run accident with property damage driving across a highway divider giving false information to police and driving without a valid license that's why witnesses said they saw him drinking at a karaoke bar right before the crash yeah but he wasn't charged with the dui because they didn't find him till later yeah that's why he drove away he's like oh fuck that shit he doesn't have a license and he's been drinking i've been drinking i gotta go uh yeah now
Starting point is 02:33:58 his attorney said quote mr rodman this is a silver-haired middle-aged white man right here this is hardcore mr rodman turned and corrected the driving error, stopped and spoke with the people in the other car. Their car is never touched. We look forward to a discussion of all the facts. You were driving the wrong way on the freeway, and someone had to avoid you and almost killed themselves. You have to stop. You can't just go, you cool? All right, and drive away you almost
Starting point is 02:34:26 killed these fucking people but i i see legality wise yeah they don't touch they didn't touch it's he didn't crash but he was going the wrong way causing a fucking accident yeah it's crazy uh the california highway patrol recommended to uh the state that rodman face charges in this uh but he denied anything is wrong. He says, quote, Life is good. That's why I've never been charged. You've been charged a lot. He then said, Guess what?
Starting point is 02:34:52 Nothing happened. There was no wreck. There was no injuries. There was no nothing. So I guess it's going on here. Say there was a wreck. A woman or a family hit a concrete barrier because of you. Stupid. So, yeah, he Jesus Christesus christ they said uh we're currently
Starting point is 02:35:07 looking into the matter here matter here and now he has he is does have this problem they do charge him uh he's on three years probation yeah already yeah this is for the last dui so you sir may fuck off three years probation you got got probation? How did... That's a lot of probation. How much probation does a man get? So much. He was facing at least two years behind bars. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:35:31 And he ends up with probation somehow. Wow. Wow. June 2013, he goes back to North Korea. He says, my purpose is to go over there and see if I can keep bringing sports to North Korea. Wow. He brought him two signed basketball jerseys,
Starting point is 02:35:48 two soap sets, and a copy of Donald Trump's book, The Art of the Deal. That's what he bought him. That's what he bought him. We're trying to make relations better. Don't give him soap and the worst book ever fucking soap and a ghost written
Starting point is 02:36:03 book of horseshit. That's what you're fucking giving him? And two old basketball jerseys? That's weird. That's probably what he liked. So they also said that where's Waldo book for Oon's daughter and a jigsaw puzzle book of a mermaid for his daughter.
Starting point is 02:36:22 He got him a bunch of shit at walgreens apparently he was like oh shit i gotta i forgot to get him a gift is there watches at the airport gift shop i thought two jerseys would be enough because i'll go get him one right now i'll pick one up on the way out all they got is dasani's we gotta go somewhere else this this trip was sponsored by the cryptocurrency company pot coin so that's why he's there to bring peace and get a paycheck from a cryptocurrency company. Now here's his take on modern basketball here. Because I
Starting point is 02:36:52 always like hearing old players. Because I agree with a lot of the old NBA players on you know, Steph Curry would have been broken in half halfway through his rookie year. They would have murdered him. He played one game in Detroit, he never would have came out of it. He would have been mangled. You know, guys like that. Not that they're not great, amazing players.
Starting point is 02:37:07 But he says, quote, it's very easy to do what they define greatness as now. Michael Jordan did it when it was tough, really tough. And what did he do? Led the league in scoring 10 years in a row. 10 years in a row. He led the league in scoring 10 years in a row. Back then, that was hard. Average like 32 points a game.
Starting point is 02:37:25 That was hard back then now it's easy all these fucking triple doubles back then when he was getting his ass whooped i mean beat down every game and then when he played against us to the detroit pistons he said guess what i gotta go back in the gym and he got tough and he got tough and he got great and greater so that's it okay no that's that's that true. You had to be a lot physically tougher back then because it was a physical game. Nobody leads the league 10 years in a row anymore. You can't because they break you. That's the way it is.
Starting point is 02:37:53 No, but I mean, today you'll have KD, then you'll have Steph Curry, then you have LeBron, then somebody else. And just all the way down the line, there's nobody repeating. No, absolutely. Now, January 14, 2018, he is arrested. way down the line there's nobody there's nobody repeating no absolutely uh now uh january 14 2018
Starting point is 02:38:06 uh he is arrested uh he is arrested for uh guess what uh dui yeah dui his blood alcohol level 0.21 oh he's been drinking hard today really really really really fucking drunk yeah uh yeah his uh he's arrested he's taken to jail uh his agent said that he's been dealing with some major personal issues in the last month and i know uh it's time to check back into rehab center and work through those we ask for his fans and others to pray for him because he's such a great person when he's sober and deserves to be happy with all the joy he gave his fans when he played in the nba it's now time for him to rebound in life. Yeah. I hate when they do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:38:47 Says he recognizes the problem. He's working hard. No one questions his big heart and his care for others. Blah, blah, fucking blah. So January 17th, 2018, three days later, checks into a New Jersey rehabilitation facility. He's ahead of it. He says, this is what he says about rehab. Quote, in the beginning, it was really, really helpful about sobriety.
Starting point is 02:39:07 He says, but after a while, you get a little bored because of the fact that you're here so much. And it's more like a routine. It's just redundant. But every once in a while, you have to go back and put yourself back in the situation and remember why you came back in the beginning. No. Every once in a while, I got to go out and get shit-faced and remember why you don't want to get shit-faced. Okay? Just look at your arrest record.
Starting point is 02:39:27 Look at your receipts of how much you've paid lawyers in the last 20 years. Just that. Look at your balance. Yeah. And then go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's way smaller than it should be. Fuck, yeah. He said about this whole thing, everyone has ups and downs, and it's always been a rocky
Starting point is 02:39:41 road no matter what you go into. So March 12, 2018, he pleads guilty to two misdemeanor charges from the driving arrest. You, sir, may fuck off three years. Probation. Informal probation. He doesn't even have to check in. He just has to not fuck up. Nine-month alcohol education program and a $90 fine educate he knows all about alcohol and he
Starting point is 02:40:07 knows the most about it he had a vodka company uh so december 2018 uh he's supposed to be sober he says now he's not sober anymore he says he returned to the bar scene he says everyone has this is the everyone has up and downs he says you just try to maintain the situation it's up to me if i want to do it for the rest of my life. Like I said, it's a long process and it's going to take me time to get over this hump. So I'm going to keep fucking drinking. February 2019, he's suing, trying to recoup money that a woman named Peggy Ann Fulford, who was a financial advisor of his, who apparently scammed him, told her, told him that she graduated
Starting point is 02:40:43 from Harvard Business School and all this type of shit uh apparently it was all a lie yeah she told him all this shit her him and other people too she apparently made off with 1.86 million from his accounts from august or from 2010 to 2015 by the way when he said he didn't have any child support money that was 2012 what the fuck she was stealing millions from them and his total losses exceed $2 million. So he was hiding his fucking money back then, probably using her to hide his money, and she was stealing it. Right.
Starting point is 02:41:12 So you deserve it, asshole. Maybe. I could be totally wrong. Probably. Yeah. This was not the only athlete she duped. Also, Ricky Williams of the Dolphins and Saints and everything. And Lex Hilliard. I don't know who that is.
Starting point is 02:41:27 A Saints player, I think. Don't look at me. I'm pretty sure here. And yeah, she obtained Mr. From 2001 to 2014, she misappropriated at least three and a half million dollars from athletes there. So there's that. And May 9th, 2019. This is from the L.A. Times.
Starting point is 02:41:42 The story is hilarious. He's at hot. He's at Vibes Hot Yoga when a woman said that a man, Jesus Christ, identified as Rodman comes into the shop with a guy who used to work at the shop and another man and woman.
Starting point is 02:41:57 It's four people just before the shop was about to close. And they claim that he entered the business twice in two days and helped other people including a former employee steal more than 3 500 in merchandise including a 400 pound amethyst crystal this is all on video by the way the surveillance tape it's hilarious it's still a 400 pound crystal well the owner of this place uh who by the way is also an uber driver so it's a
Starting point is 02:42:22 hot yoga business is fucking killing it. She says of the whole thing, she watched it unfold on security video. She said, quote, it's clear as daylight. Yeah. She said that the employee apparently on duty said that they told the four that the, quote, ginormous geode amethyst crystal was on sale for $2,500.
Starting point is 02:42:43 And that was basically, if it belonged, what was it, belonged to one of them? They came in and said, I'm sorry, they came in and said, hey, that crystal's ours and we're picking it up. We're here to pick it up. Okay. And the employee was like, I guess.
Starting point is 02:42:58 I mean, sure, it's Dennis Rodman. Yeah, great. So then the employee said, Rodman asked me to show him the studio, and that took her away from the front desk. And he said he'd never visited the studio before, and he wanted to do that. As soon as they walked in the studio, the other people started shoving clothes and shit into their purses and shit. The old clothes? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:43:19 They took items into the restroom to remove hangers. The men in the group tried to take the giant geode onto a hand truck and dropped it and shattered it all over the fucking floor it's hilarious to watch it's so funny they gathered up and carted away the pieces they took the fucking pieces uh and they're like a bunch of shards as well as five thousand dollars worth of damage to the floor dropping a giant heavy rock on it. They were there for 20 minutes. Officers arrived just as they were leaving the whole deal here.
Starting point is 02:43:51 Rodman, Jesus Christ, this whole thing. Rodman said that, the employee said that Rodman smelled of alcohol and said he looked sloppy, basically. The merchandise were stolen stolen including a pair of 359 leggings a 300 top maybe they deserve to be thieved for these prices good lord and other items stealing from people anyway right other items priced at 100 to 118 dollars they're upscale horseshit here uh she said that it was crazy how this all happened the owner and uh he's jesus christ he said i didn't steal
Starting point is 02:44:27 anything from anybody he said they gave us the clothes they said he said that he was told quote dennis get anything you want he said i said okay great i want leggings uh yeah he said uh then they asked him again about it and he says quote we quote, we didn't steal shit. So there's that. Okay. Yeah. He says it's a big misunderstanding. He said, I was just trying to help people out. That's why he said, quote, I tried to help as the good person I am.
Starting point is 02:44:57 What does that even mean? He said he thought that this person needed. It's fucking crazy. You know, they need help stuffing shit into their shirts and stealing. So I got to distract people so they can do it oh my god yeah he says you know he didn't do anything wrong someone said will you be going to jail and he said no so may 14th 2019 he's at his 58th birthday party at the buddha sky bar here uh this is in florida and uh jesus this is fucking amazing here uh he there's a guy he knows there hey what's this guy's first name uh sola uh solok is his last name here uh a guy he he's known apparently he's a business
Starting point is 02:45:35 developer he's a developer he's known by one of rodman's managers here and he's at the party and he says that he was talking to someone who was standing behind Rodman when Rodman turned around and smacked him in the face. He said Rodman, quote, open hand smacked him there on the top of the thing. He called it an unprovoked attack. He said, quote, I was like, what's your problem? It was just out of nowhere. He just hit me, and I was blindsided, and he started charging me. he just hit me and i was blindsided and he started charging me uh yeah so he said that rodman immediately apologized and invited him to dinner the next day to make up for it which is weird did
Starting point is 02:46:11 he go uh he said that he he went home and then when his face well when he woke up his face was all swollen yeah so he went to the miami police department to report it and uh he's not been arrested for it or anything like that uh his attorney said we deny that that incident ever occurred at all uh he says that he was sober and never alone during the party so absolutely didn't happen uh at all but uh the buddhist guy bar general manager said there's no video of any of this no employees witnessed it or anything but one witness did see it david lee roth not that david lee roth talk about mistaken identities this guy's name is david lee roth wow he came into the party
Starting point is 02:46:53 did a big kick through the door wow kicked yeah fucking oh boy all right get him out of here. So he says that he was about 20 feet away and saw clear as day, you know, because Rodman's 6'8". He saw him smack the shit out of Soloque twice. Not just once, twice. Two shots. He told the police he didn't know what the attack was for. He didn't understand it.
Starting point is 02:47:23 Who knows? Saw the guy get smacked. He probably deserved it. Probably deserved it. He deserved to be in the attack was for. He didn't understand it. Who knows? Saw a guy get smacked. He probably deserved it. Probably deserved it. He deserved to be in a North Korean prison. May 2019, DJ Dennis Jr. commits to play basketball at Washington State. Oh, my God. My heart skipped a beat.
Starting point is 02:47:37 He's 6'6". He commits what? He commits asterisk. Yeah, commits asterisk. He's 6'6". He could be 7'5 by next year. We don't know yeah shoot right up but uh he plays for washington state good for him can't get enough of dennis
Starting point is 02:47:50 rodman boy wait five fucking minutes he'll do something else crazy or get arrested or do something wild i want a liquor store he'll be a patient yeah you can buy a million books and you can buy jerseys more merchandise and figures and everything else and it doesn't matter that's dennis rodman what the shit everybody it's gonna keep going wow that is such a story around again that could have been five hours long that'll be coming around the mountain oh he'll be coming around the mountain when she comes and comes again and then i go over and over again all day long he's a goddamn disaster and he'll be back he'll definitely be back i mean it goes right up until now uh but yeah, that's him.
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Starting point is 02:52:12 So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that.
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