Crime in Sports - #19 - Square Broads, and Floating Bodies - The Hubris of Jack Roland "Murph the Surf" Murphy

Episode Date: June 7, 2016

This week, we hit the water for a professional surfer, who has put together the craziest tale we've covered, so far. "Murph the Surf" went from a 1960's Miami playboy, and beach bum, to the w...orld's most famous high dollar jewel thief, prolific stick up man, subject of a Hollywood film, and cold blooded murderer. It's a crazy, funny, insane journey through the decades. Slather on the tanning oil, steal the crown jewels, and hit the waves with Jack Roland Murphy!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: crimeinsports@gmail.comDonate on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:03:20 Yes, because the trial was going, or they were trying to find out when we left off with Jimmy. The cliffhanger was we were trying to find out if Jimmy was competent to stand trial, or if he had taken too many blows to the head and made his brains into pudding at this point. It is. Turns out Jimmy Superfly Snooker has been ruled jello-brained by the state of Pennsylvania. It's so funny, too, because he got away with this for 33 years by dummying up. Yeah, just by saying, I don't know. When it happened, they said, act like a dumb savage, like you don't know shit. And it worked
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Starting point is 00:04:25 Yes. And this guy, whoo, boy, Jimmy, this is a trip. I say this all the time, but man, this was quite a weaving tale. I'm telling you. We were just going deep on this one. And it is Jack Roland Murphy. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Now, guys. That is a white fucking nerdy name. He's extremely white, this guy. Jack Roland Murphy. He's as white as they come, Jack Roland Murphy, a nice Irish boy. This guy here. Roland. Roland.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Sounds like he has a Rolex. It's a fake one, but it's a Rolex. Now, some of you might know about this story because one of the crimes is extremely, extremely kind of a famous thing. It's like the greatest jewel heist in American history he was a part of so some of you might have known this it was actually a feature film about his little portion of his life not the dirty part of his
Starting point is 00:05:14 life just kind of the glamorous part and he was a professional surfer so we're getting into a totally different kind we haven't been in the water yet we haven't been anywhere near it so we're going into the water here. He's surfing. We're not going to talk... He's a skateboarder. That's as close as it gets.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Yeah, we're not going to talk much about his surfing career because it's really kind of hard to... There's really not a lot to talk about there. So it's mainly just all crime this week. And let's get started with Jack Roland Murphy. His date of birth was actually hard to find. It's 1938. I believe it's May 26th. 1938.
Starting point is 00:05:43 1938 he was born. So this is a tale we're gonna get into the 60s and like some cool like 60s cat burglar jewel heist things and you're gonna like this guy for a while you really are for a little while and then you're not gonna like him as much anymore uh so he's born uh may 26 1938 is the best we could get. Los Angeles, California he's born in. He lives in California all around. His father's a construction worker. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:11 And so they kind of go where the work is kind of a thing. Moves to Pennsylvania at 17. Moves all around before that. All around California. Goes to high school in Oceanside near San Diego. Oh, nice place. Yeah, nice place yeah nice place goes there
Starting point is 00:06:25 his dad like I said is a construction worker he's a real smart kid when he moves to Pennsylvania it's really really noted how smart he is that's a bummer yeah he's
Starting point is 00:06:34 he's good at everything this guy he's just good at yeah he moves to western Pennsylvania from San Diego that's a bummer to go from fucking Oceanside
Starting point is 00:06:40 and he's a surfer too where at in Pennsylvania it's western Pennsylvania they don't even say what town Allegheny something some shit it's it's like where sally mcneil is from like some mountain cold dump and uh no offense to western pennsylvania but you guys fucking know you'd rather live in san diego absolutely especially if you were really into surfing i think you'd be a little more inclined to be near the beach um instead he goes there he's also a really good tennis player
Starting point is 00:07:05 in high school in 1955 is when he graduates and he's going somewhere that's frozen his senior year well his senior year in pittsburgh he wins the uh western pennsylvania international allegheny so it's the wpial singles tennis championship representing his high school he was that good i mean he was great even that. He could have played for a state title and made him eligible, but he didn't show up for the match. What the fuck? This guy's a flaky kind of a cat,
Starting point is 00:07:30 as we'll get into a lot. He's also very good at, he's a very good violinist also. Fuck, there's multi-talented. Yeah, there's a rumor. They can do everything. It's said that he played in the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra,
Starting point is 00:07:43 played violin for them a bit when he was 17. He immediately, his violin teacher or his music teacher in high school said that he was, you know, immediately came in and took first chair, which was odd for a guy from out of town. Like, that's how good he was. He's just, this is an extremely talented, smart, charismatic guy that could have done anything he wanted in the world. So it's so fitting that we get to cover his complete and total just... Disaster.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Journey down the path to fuckery. So he graduates from McKeesport High School in 1955. Oh, McKeesport. That's where he's at. McKeesport, yeah. I don't know where the hell that is. It's a shithole. It's a shithole. It's Western Pennsylvania. What do you want? You know what I mean? It's terrible here. So he graduates mckeesport high school in 1955 western
Starting point is 00:08:29 pennsylvania shit dump right um i'm sure uh sorry if you're from there but we're not sorry because you fucking choose to live there what do you want from us it's it's horrible i've been somewhere better i'm not western but i have pennsylvania family Scranton. So I know it's horrible to move people. I watched The Office. Get the hell out of there. Oh, it's so bad. So he graduates. He enrolls in the School of Business Administration at the University of Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:08:54 So he's going to go on, further his education. He's smart, got great grades. Everybody said he was extremely intelligent. That lasts for six weeks. Holy shit. And he drops out of school. He said it was cold and miserable you knew it was like that he's like i don't have to be here anymore you know so he says do anything
Starting point is 00:09:11 yeah he tells everybody he's going back to california yeah and there's a little period for about a year a year and a half where we don't really know what the hell he was doing he kind of just kicked around around he was working as like he did like tower circus dives like because he was like a diver too he would do like high dive circus shit dive into a small pond um yeah he did like tower circus dives like because he was like a diver too he would do like high dive circus shit dive into a small pond um yeah he did a little stunt work in hollywood that he was going back and forth for um it's a wild train to go on it is it's an interesting path he claims to have played violin on the carson show on the tonight show with johnny carson which i don't know if that's true or not and we i don't know if IMDB is that. Can't validate it anywhere. Yeah, we can't validate it.
Starting point is 00:09:45 But I thought that was an interesting thing to throw in there. Then he moves to Miami in 1957. Better place for him. This is where he gets settled, yeah. 1957, he moves there. He starts working at a hotel. He's stacking pool chairs. He's painting shit.
Starting point is 00:09:58 He's also working in their diving show. That sort of thing. So he's doing like odd jobs. He's doing odd jobs. He's like 19. He's hanging out in miami on the beach he's picking up girls left and this guy is a playboy first of all he has got the life for a while he's living right now he's living in miami he meets a hotel guest named gloria sostick
Starting point is 00:10:15 whose father yeah her father owned the latin quarter nightclub which is a huge nightclub so for a musician yeah he meets her, and she's also very wealthy. He's first chair violin. Let's go. He's good. So they hang out for nine days and get married. Wow. Yeah, so he's like, hmm, I'm going to lock this down quick.
Starting point is 00:10:35 She's got money. I can play the violin. I'm going to fuck her and make it real. Let's do this. Make it real. And it's the 50s, too. It's the 50s. That's what you do. You get married.
Starting point is 00:10:43 It's romantic. You go sit on the beach and play some sweet song for her, and all of a sudden you guys are married. That's considered romance in the 50s, too. It's the 50s. That's what you do. You get married. It's romantic. You go sit on the beach and play some sweet song for her, and all of a sudden you guys are married. That's considered romance in the 50s. It's not considered aberrant behavior. I didn't even realize, like, before when we were talking about Pittsburgh, we're talking about 50s. The 50s Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Yeah. That's not a good Pennsylvania. No, I mean. It's much worse now. There's probably jobs there, then. There's probably, like, steel mill jobs. Coal mines and shit. Coal mines and steel mills and shit.
Starting point is 00:11:04 But, I mean, outside of that, miserable. 50s Pennsylvania. Fuck that. No internet. None. Just sitting there. You can't even escape. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Three channels. Steelers aren't even good. What's on the Dumont Network tonight? Sitting there. Jesus. Fucking miserable. So they're together. They're married for five years, these two.
Starting point is 00:11:22 They divorce after five years. They have two sons. All right. They're married for five years, these two. They divorce after five years. They have two sons. During this time, he wins the National Hurricane Surfing Championship twice. How about that? Yeah, he wins some awards. He's the best surfer in the state of Florida or some shit. He's a great surfer.
Starting point is 00:11:38 He goes back and forth to Hawaii to compete. And this is back when they had big-ass boards, and they weren't doing crazy tricks and stuff. What made a great surfer in the 50s? I don't know what made a great surfer i don't know what made a great surfer that's like skateboarding you stood up you could go up toward the top of the pool and then come back down oh look at him whereas then you had to fly out but this is kind of probably like that but he he touted that he single-handedly brought surfing from hawaii to the mainland and made it popular that's That's his claim. All right. He's got an ego, this guy, as we'll get into.
Starting point is 00:12:06 He's got quite the ego. Well, he's good at everything. Yeah. He can bet a chick and marry her in nine days. The man's amazing. A rich chick who's got her shit together. He does. She's a pick of the boys.
Starting point is 00:12:15 He's good at tennis. He takes up surfing. Good at that. He'll play the violin. He's good at that. He's good at everything. We'll see later on. He takes up art.
Starting point is 00:12:21 He's good at that, sort of. He's a douchey artist. But you know what I mean? Anyway, he remarries quickly after they get divorced. This is around 62. He's quickly remarried. He had opened up a surf shop before that. So his surf shop then goes under.
Starting point is 00:12:38 He starts fucking off his wife. His wife, his marriage breaks up. He really begins quite the playboy lifestyle here at this point with what money okay this is what we're gonna get into here this goes from it's like you have nothing you're you're out of college you clearly have no money you owe you somehow get enough money to open a surf shop i assume his right the x yeah yeah it folds your fucking wife at home is screaming at you, obviously. I think he's making money from surfing shows and exhibitions.
Starting point is 00:13:10 He's got a name. He probably can get sponsorship deals in Miami for like, hey. Do like a Superfly splash or something? Yeah, he's Murph the Surf. Murph the Surf is his nickname. Is that what they called him? Murph the Surf is his nickname. That's what everyone still calls him to this day. Wow. Murph the Surf. So, I mean, Murph the Surf could go nickname. Is that what they called him? Murph the Surf is his nickname. That's what everyone still calls him to this day.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Murph the Surf. So, I mean, Murph the Surf could go to a grocery store opening. Hey, it's Murph the Surf. By now he's a celebrity. Yeah, he's got some notoriety around the beach scene. You know what I mean? Not for a housewife, probably, but if you hang out by the beach, you know who Murph the Surf is type of thing.
Starting point is 00:13:41 He's early Tony Hawk. Kind of, yeah. That's a good way to put it, yeah he i picture him like tom cruise and cocktail like you know hanging out down at the beach trying to pick up rich in a white middle age in a white collared shirt yeah sleeves rolled up white linen shirt you know what i mean uh at this point we get he meets this is we always have these serendipitous meetings of two people that don't fucking belong together because it's bad for society you know like like like when it's like goosis meets the one guy they get together it's like oh no this is gonna be ugly you know ray and sally mcneil should have never got together
Starting point is 00:14:14 fucking joe jackson and yeah pain how does that happen that's crazy i'm calling this guy the white tom pain awesome through this whole thing he'd no rape by the way i'll tell you guys up front there's no rape in this. Good. No forcible sex at all in this episode. I don't want to say hymen. No hymen, no nothing like that.
Starting point is 00:14:32 So you guys can rest easy, just death. That's it. That's the last of that word. Which is less than rape now. So anyway, he meets a guy named Alan Kuhn. Okay?
Starting point is 00:14:40 All right. K-U-H-N. Okay. So Alan Kuhn. Now Kuhn is kind of a playboy. He's a swim instructor. Oh, boy. From the sounds of it, he's a gigolo, basically.
Starting point is 00:14:56 He sounds like he's going around swim instructing some middle-aged woman and then, you know, getting bought some shit. Figuring a 56-year-old and getting some free shit. He also has a little thing for stealing jewelry. Awesome. He's also a former hotel worker that got his introduction to the jewelry game. And his first heist, Alan Coon, was paid $180,000 for his part in a jewelry operation. So he was kind of like, hmm, this isn't a bad deal. No, that sounds great.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Yeah, and you get a guy. He was a grand in the 50s. In the 50s. That's a big deal. Early 60s. That's huge. You can buy a car for two grand that's what i mean you could buy a town for that much back then i mean it's ridiculous so he is obviously
Starting point is 00:15:31 murphy surf murph the surf is impressed with this guy because he wants to be a playboy he thinks he's hot shit so he's like hey what the fuck he's hanging out on the beach ocean's 11 the shit out of this he's driving a cadillac convertible this coon guy he's got a yacht he's got a speedboat he's got fan he's just fancy you know and this guyon guy. He's got a yacht. He's got a speedboat. He's got, you know, he's just fancy. You know, and this guy's like, yeah, he's banging all the broads. I mean, it's, you know, forget about it. It's like a beach movie except they're just
Starting point is 00:15:53 slaying everything they want. All voluntary by the way, unlike our last two episodes. It's a chick from the Disney movies with Avalon. I have no idea. Disney movies? No, from the Mickeykey mouse club oh oh they probably double teamed and she was happy with she was thrilled happy about it that's how cool these guys were so they start stealing jewelry and his quote on the whole thing and
Starting point is 00:16:19 we'll do a little it's a short one but we'll do in their own words here to start out with he just said about the jewel heist he said it didn't hurt anyone and insurance would cover it. That's it. So, hey, why not? Let's have a good time. The victim was crying. Let's have a good time. Who gives a shit, right? So Miami PD in 1964 starts keeping an eye on them. All right. They are, they're beach bums too. They're hanging out. They, they're watching for about bums too they're hanging out uh they they're watching for about six months they're picked up a few times for vagrancy basically it sounds like they're just hanging out drunk on the beach yeah just being general jerk offs and all that sort of thing in a trash can or something yeah so i mean they keep an eye on them and then they disappear
Starting point is 00:16:58 all of a sudden out of nowhere in 64 where'd they go well? Where'd they go? Well, Alan Kuhn, Murph the Surf here, and a man named Roger Clark, they head on up to New York. And this is Kuhn's idea. He's the brains of the robbery
Starting point is 00:17:12 organization here. Now, they head up to New York, Midtown Manhattan, they find a hotel called the Cambridge Hotel, which is about 10 blocks away
Starting point is 00:17:20 from the Museum of Natural History. Oh, boy. Which, when I was a kid, was like one of my favorite places. We used to go on field trips all the time down there it was the best you go on the bus it was fucking tremendous so right there i've seen night at the museum exactly that's night at the museum museum right that's what we're talking about kids love that shit exactly so uh they stay
Starting point is 00:17:36 there they start casing the joint they go all the time they start buying pamphlets on you know about about the all the different gems that they have there and start buying books about them in the point break shit unfolding yes this murph the surf is patrick swayze i feel like he's what patrick swayze and point break was based on you really gotta really just bone up on your 80s early 90s movies to understand what the fuck we're talking about here but actually they just came out with another point break whoever was the lead bad guy in that point break which i haven't seen because I'm sure it was a pile of shit, that was originally Patrick Swayze.
Starting point is 00:18:08 That's probably who he was based on. Murph the Surf. Murph the Surf. He's a cool beach guy. But anyway, they're in New York. They're at the Cambridge Hotel. They're throwing lavish parties. They're banging everything in sight.
Starting point is 00:18:19 They're every girl they can find. They're hooking up with. They have a suite. They have all this money from Jewel Heist. They're enjoying New York. They're enjoying suite. They have all this money from Jewel Heist. They're enjoying New York. They're enjoying it. They're having a good time. And while they're having a good time, they're also casing out the Museum of Natural History.
Starting point is 00:18:33 And especially the jewels. They notice the security there is horrible. It's lax. Terrible security. Very lax. They see open windows and offices in the jewel room that are above it. And they're like, they start thinking about. Sleeping security guards and shit. They start making maps of above it and they're like, they start thinking about sleeping security guards
Starting point is 00:18:45 and shit. They start making maps of the place and all this sort of thing. So this goes on for ten weeks. Ten weeks they're casing this guy.
Starting point is 00:18:52 And nobody picks up on this. How dumb are those security guards? There's tons of people coming in. It's New York. Yeah, but for ten weeks you don't picture, you don't see.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And they probably send one guy in one day, the other guy in the other day. But some tan fucks just constantly coming in and out of here. A bunch of tan guys with sandy, sun-bleached hair just coming in. They all smell like Malibu rum. It's terrible.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Copper tone dripping from their asses. So yeah, they're just planning their little shopping trip, basically. So they do all this. And then finally, this comes to a head on October 29ober 29th 1964 we get this is the big heist okay awesome they break into the museum of natural history yeah all right and this is like there's no security it's insane they uh one keeps watch while the other two scale up a 10 foot wall okay they scale up 10 feet 10 foot wall i mean these guys are spider-man they are really really into this, man.
Starting point is 00:19:45 This is like... This is cool shit. They want the money. They really want it. This is a movie. Yeah. You would see this in a movie and be like, oh, they're going to do like a jewel heist thing,
Starting point is 00:19:53 and then they're going to fall through the glass ceiling like they do in every jewel heist thing, and fall and catch their breath on the tile floor. It's that sort of thing. And go find the crown with all the jewels on it. This is where they got this from. This is all of these movie jewel heists. This is where it came from.
Starting point is 00:20:07 This is everything, man. And I'm not even kidding. This was like a huge cultural event here. Fantastic. So they scale a 10-foot wall. They force a door open up there. They get in. They get their way down to a fifth-floor an open window that overlooks the uh the jewel room
Starting point is 00:20:26 yeah the the yeah so the gem room yeah and they saw that they keep these windows open about two three inches for ventilation apparently all right they noticed that and they were like that might be something so they just pop the windows open they shimmy their way down five stories into the uh five not five stories it's on the fifth floor but the jewel room's down. But it's a high ceiling. They shimmy their way down Venetian blind cords. Wow. How crazy is that? That's awesome. Yeah, this is what I mean.
Starting point is 00:20:52 This is some crazy cat burglar shit. That's incredible. Yeah, you picture them with masks and all black. And like that zip noise, zzzz, as they go down. No alarms go off at all while they're doing this. Nothing, okay? Not one alarm nothing like that okay um so they put there's the big jewel case of a couple that they wanted they
Starting point is 00:21:11 they they bypass all like the little jewels they have the specific collection they know what they want it's the jp morgan collection oh i've heard of those fox which is a very bunch of very famous jewels that we'll talk about in a second here they They duct tape up the glass so when they cut it, it won't shatter. Oh, wow. They're pretty slick. They've done this a couple of times, it seems. It would seem. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And it would seem like they're okay at this. And a little bit hillbilly. I like it. And a little bit hillbilly. So they tape it up. They do it. I mean, they've seen a movie maybe or they had an idea. This might be where it came from.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Hey, you got any of those suction cups that break glass? Nah, man. Get the duct tape. Get the duct tape. Yeah, i don't have a giant suction cup i don't know i don't know where the you know like jewel heist supply store the cartoon jewel heist supply store is closed after eight i don't have that because this is you know duct tape motherfucker duct tape all right they are from florida guys so i mean it's going to abound. So they steal 24 jewels in all. All right. Okay, robbery is not discovered until the next morning when the guard arrives.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Wow. So, I mean, this sits for hours. I mean, they're hanging out. They're long gone. Police discovered the burglar. When they investigate why didn't the alarm go off, they discovered that the burglar alarm was disconnected years ago to save money on a cost-cutting measure. Save money on protecting the millions and millions
Starting point is 00:22:26 of dollars they really were like super lax with this shit leaving open windows no alarms we need to save money we'll find out these jewels were even insured under value to keep the premium down wow that's how fucking cheap that's how cheap this fucking place when you give them you know million dollar jewels they go yeah you know're going to throw it in the closet. You might as well give it to, like, your Uncle Frank. Put it in this shoebox. Yeah, and have him put it in his fucking garage. Could you put this on the top shelf so the kids don't get it?
Starting point is 00:22:53 Next to a ski parka he hasn't used in 18 years. And his snowshoes. And his snowshoes. So, yeah, it's nuts. So the jewels that were taken in total value $410,000. They said they're pretty impossible to value because the rarity of them is like, how do you really value that? How do you value something that there's nothing of? Basically valued at $410,000 in 1964, which is $3,166,573.18 in 2015 money.
Starting point is 00:23:24 And they took that shimmying down Venetian blind. Down Venetian blind. That's awesome. And it just seems like, why doesn't everybody do that? You can't carry $3 million out of a place because of the weight alone. You can carry 22 stones pretty easily. 24. 24.
Starting point is 00:23:39 And the stones included the DeLong Star Ruby. That sounds important. Yeah, it's a famous ruby. These are all, that's the thing that's crazy. These are all very famous stones that people know. Like, you can't just take the Hope Diamond and be like, I got the Hope Diamond and bring it to a pawn shop. You can't take that Blue Diamond of the Sea from Titanic and be like, look, I found this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Where's the old bitch that you robbed it off of? It's ridiculous. So that's a 100-carat ruby. Wow. They take the Midnight Star Sapphire, which is a 161-carat sapphire. Awesome. The Eagle Diamond, which is just this giant diamond. And then, which it's actually, I guess it was, the Eagle Diamond was found in a mine in Wisconsin. And that's why it's worth so much.
Starting point is 00:24:21 It's a big thing, but it's not the size of the diamond. It's the fact that it was found in Wisconsin, which is like... Because Wisconsin is shit. It's the only diamond like that that's ever it's worth so much. It's a big thing, but it's not the size of the diamond. It's the fact that it was found in Wisconsin, which is the only diamond like that that was ever found up there. There's just one diamond up there somehow. All of them came together to make one. It's so weird. And then finally, the big one was the Star of India sapphire,
Starting point is 00:24:38 which is the world's largest sapphire. It was found in the 17th century in England, or in England and India. It was 565-carat sapphire England, or in England, in India. It was 565-carat sapphire. That is huge. That's insane. That's not sitting in your pocket. And it was uninsured.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Oh, my God. They didn't want to pay insurance on something that big. What the hell? Well, you know, the premiums, Jimmy. I mean, good God. These days with the insurance. But six hillbillies with duct tape stole it. Good God.
Starting point is 00:25:01 They needed, like, fucking Obamacare for sapphires back then or something because get a cheap, undervalue it something, put something on it. So the police initially guessed that it wasn't a pro jewel thief operation because a pro would have had better tools, is what they said. They might have had the giant suction cup. They would have had it. That's the thing. He didn't have the Inspector Gadget suction cup.
Starting point is 00:25:22 They would have had that spray that finds lasers and shit. Yeah, they didn't have any of that. No, like, ninja rolls through the lasers. None of that shit. There were no black rappel ropes still hanging. Also, too, that pro thieves, they thought, would have taken less prominent stones that were easier to sell. Because if you have a stone that everyone knows what it looks like,
Starting point is 00:25:40 who the fuck are you going to sell that to? You can't take that to a pawn shop. You can't take it to Sotheby's to auction off. You know what I mean? You can't take that to the Pawn Stars guy in Vegas. They'll be like, yeah, you got the star of India here. I mean, this was stolen for two days. You need to find, like, a James Bond villain to sell this to.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Like, some guy who's like, I just want to take it from the world and have it for myself. Some guy that kills people with his shoe. Yeah, he wants to keep it for himself and rub it with one hand while he pets his cat with the other, one of these guys. So after the robbery here, the next day they break up, these guys. They break apart.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Roger Clark, who was the third guy, not Coon and Murphy, he's our third man here, he goes to his parents' house in Connecticut. Which stones did he divvy up? Well, we'll get to the stones in a second. Coon and Murphy put the jewels in a locked briefcase okay lock it in a briefcase now they were better be handcuffed to your fucking wrist you know who they recruit to help them out to get them out of here cousin
Starting point is 00:26:36 nobody's cousin but they're 19 oh that's having a teen and by the way the quote about her when when this all comes down is the greatest criminal quote i've ever heard about anything it's the most like old school criminal thing you'll ever hear we'll get to that but anyway so they take 19 year old janet florkowitz who was fucking her both of them probably she was a hotel party girl not a hooker but yeah just a girl that hung out part of the party scene that she would her and her friends would go over there and so who knows what they were and they called her guess what we stole come hang out with us they no they don't tell her okay they tell her hey why don't you come down to miami with us we'll fly you down to miami yeah just take this briefcase yeah with you
Starting point is 00:27:17 and we'll all go on the flight so they all go on the flight they now they assume names all of them too they don't use their real names because you could do that back then you know show id they sit separately and they pretend they don't know each other the two guys go together they pretend they don't know florkowitz pretty sure okay so they said this is the equivalent of telling a girl to put weed in her pussy when you get pulled over if you're a teenager you know what i mean she'll do anything it's the equivalent of that i was the first one to say pussy today the age of me. What do you think of that? But we didn't. Never. That's never happened before.
Starting point is 00:27:47 That was the first one to be gross. So, yeah, they go down to Florida. They fly down there. So they don't even tell her what's in the briefcase, though, like Pulp Fiction. Yeah. She's going to open it, and it's going to glow, and she'll be like, what the fuck? What is that? The Star of India?
Starting point is 00:28:03 What the fuck? Is that the star of india so set the eagle diamond she starts to think things are a little weird and she calls her good fucking call good call she starts to feel like hey why do they have me come down here with that suit why are they pretending they don't know me and why can't i say what my name is so that's the thing why am i carrying this fucking briefcase carry your own luggage that's why her story of not knowing sounds very shady and later on she actually admits that she's full of shit
Starting point is 00:28:26 and she saw the jewels in the briefcase. She looked in the fucking briefcase. Why am I carrying this? At this point she's claiming she doesn't know.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Her claim is she calls her girlfriend and her girlfriend remembers seeing the gem guide in their hotel room and they put two and two together.
Starting point is 00:28:45 No. She just called her girlfriend and said, hey, I'm with the fucking guys who stole the jewels. And then her girlfriend said, oh shit, all right, I'll help you and we'll call the police. That's what happened. All right. So it comes out later. So anyway, that ends up happening.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Yeah, the story of Gem's book that she saw in the hotel room. So they're arrested two days after the heist. Wow. Two days after. That was quick. Roger Clark's arrested as he tries to collect his things from the hotel. He came back from Connecticut to get his things, and his things included photos of the museum and robbery tools.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Police were waiting there for him, like, looking at their watches, like, who the fuck is this asshole? Hey, why do you want to know about the janitor closet on the sixth floor of the fucking Museum of Natural History that was just robbed? Yeah, two days ago. And the people that robbed it camp sixth floor of the fucking Museum of Natural History that was just robbed. Yeah. And by the way, two days ago.
Starting point is 00:29:26 And the people that robbed it camped out in that fucking closet. Yeah. You happen to have a diagram of it right here. Why is that? Pictures, here's a drawing of it.
Starting point is 00:29:34 You got Polaroids. You have a dream book that you made. I don't understand. What is this shadow box? This is pretty clear. He walks in the door, they're like,
Starting point is 00:29:42 traffic from Connecticut, pal? Or what? So they cuff him up uh they uh head down there's agents go down to florida yeah knock on the apartment of coon and murph the surf because they live together murph's hanging out in his in his fucking beach shorts sitting on the couch he's got two girls with him he's hanging out got two girls he's resuming lifestyle like hey i don't know what you're talking about cops arrest him he was pissed off and he was telling like he i'm supposed to be in hawaii man i gotta go like this is an inconvenience i'm working on my tan guys he
Starting point is 00:30:11 literally was like oh guys uh you know i got shit to do what are you doing here like this is a huge inconvenience for me i don't like this you know so uh they take him away and then minutes later coon walks in the door oh federal agent. He's arrested, and he gives the greatest criminal quote. This is like the most old-school criminal quote ever. Finds out that Florkowitz gave him up and he says, quote, this is Kuhn, quote, that's what happens
Starting point is 00:30:35 when you fool around with square broads. Square broads. Square broads. Can't be fooling around with square broads. Gotta get yourself a crooked one yeah it's sharon stone and casino oh this shit you need a hatchet face from crybaby exactly man so and there's a miami detective at the time says when they were looking for him says quote and he said he was laughing as he said this quote every fence in town is laughing at this one
Starting point is 00:31:00 fence meaning people that receive stolen goods uh they can't believe anyone would heist this stuff and they don't and they won't go near it with a 10-foot pole he's like who's gonna buy that shit like everyone's saying three million dollars in 2015 worth of jewels yeah and nobody's gonna buy it from you anyway because it's yeah what because this isn't fucking snatch asshole we do find the uh the we'll see we'll get into this, the DeLong Star Ruby kind of sort of makes its way onto the black market, which is kind of neat, and we'll get into that. November 18th, 1964, the men are flown, they fly back, all three of them fly to New York for a court appearance. There's an arrangement. Arrangement is a ready- made for bail in exchange for cooperation in
Starting point is 00:31:46 recovering the jewels. Basically they want the jewels back. They just want the fucking jewels back. This is an important collection. Well, I mean, they'll, whatever. They'll go lenient as long as they get the shit back. They want the shit back. And the guys know this shit. And they're using it to their advantage. Like, oh, well, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:02 they're going to get something favorable for them because they really want the... Him haunt around. It's a bargaining chip for them. So they arrive on the plane. They're treated like the Beatles. Unbelievable. I've seen the footage.
Starting point is 00:32:14 It looks like the Beatles arrived. Unbelievable. There's people there to see him because he's sort of a famous guy. And now he's like this surfer, jewel thief, cat burglar. This is like the hugest heist. People are intrigued with this shit there was three channels on in the 60s i mean there was no there's no other source of entertainment you know what the top shows were in 1964 jimmy because i do i look it up bonanza bewitched and
Starting point is 00:32:37 gomer pile usmc it's real easy to capture the imagination of people back then when that's the shit that they have to watch. He was bewitched. Bewitched? Some guy standing there on the Ponderosa staring at each other? Or Gomer Pyle, United States Marine Corps? Holy shit. So yeah, this was a really big deal that people were interested in. Yeah, he was like the Billy the Kid of the era.
Starting point is 00:33:04 What was the name of that guy that jumped out of the plane with all the money that they never caught? Oh, oh, oh, God, caught? He's essentially that guy. Yeah, D... Yeah, it was initial. D.B. Barnum? No, that's a circus guy. P.T. Barnum's a circus guy. Yeah, that's it.
Starting point is 00:33:17 I was close. So a huge crowd comes to arrive to see them at the airport. It's insane. The media is treating them like celebrities. They don't even bring luggage because they're so confident they're getting back on a plane that night and going back to Miami. So they're like, hey, just stopping by for a quick fucking pop-in. We're getting right back on the 530 back to Miami Beach. Like, they're confident, man.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Fucking D.B. Cooper is trying to get out of town fast. D.B. Cooper. Thank you. There you go. Google. Thank you, Google. Quick Google. So they're released on $32, man. Fucking D.B. Cooper is trying to get out of town fast. D.B. Cooper, thank you. There you go. Google. Thank you, Google. Quick Google. So they're released on $32,000 bail apiece.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Yeah. And they have the money. Yeah. Weird. I wonder how they got the money. They were allowed to fly home same day. Yeah. So, I mean, they're just living the life.
Starting point is 00:33:57 I mean, it's no deal. They stole some of the, I gave you the big stones. Yeah. There were some smaller ones that they used and sold, the ones that weren't famous way that's how they financed their defense their bail all of their flying back and forth all of this shit right i'm gonna finance my my my defense yeah for this jewel heist awesome with some of the jewels from the heist awesome that's brilliant it's brilliant and they get away with it back then i've got you want to live in the mid-60s and start stealing shit so they find out that the miami police do some more investigation they find out that the three in the about a few months before this robbery the three
Starting point is 00:34:33 had gone down to the caribbean and there was a big unsolved jewel heist down there the same time they were there miami pd spokesman said quote they are crack jewel thieves we've been trying to pin something on them for a long time which is another old-time, they are crack jewel thieves. We've been trying to pin something on them for a long time. Nice. Which is another old-timey cop. They're crack jewel thieves. I've been trying to pin something on them for a long time. I'm going to put them in the pokey.
Starting point is 00:34:52 He says that with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. He's flipping a nickel. You know what I mean? He's got a cigarette and a toothpick and flipping a nickel. Trying to pin something on them for a long time. All this shit he can jam in his mouth and still talk. And they're also charged with more robberies in Miami. Apparently this is, as we know from later on, they're going around just robbing the shit out of any jewelry they can find. They're scaling
Starting point is 00:35:14 walls. They have a little thing that they do. They're good cat burglars. They're awesome. Let's think about this. They're a Miami Beach surfing, playboy cat burgling yacht drive yacht riding they're cool as convertible cadillac cruising fucking beach boys on the radio they're illegal dean martin help me ronda they're just cruising they're fucking loving this shit what a great life they have at this point these guys you like them now right hell yeah you like them and you're not gonna soon but pretty soon i'm and you're not gonna soon but pretty soon i'm telling you we're gonna turn but right now there's so much fun and i want to be a part of this group i want to be number four this is like entourage but not i don't want to murder
Starting point is 00:35:54 them it's i want to be their fucking turtle i'm in i'm in dude i'll do this shit so they go back to new york on january 4th 1965 to their bail, because I guess they have to keep going every once in a while for a hearing to check in. And they're arrested in New York for robbery. Good. I like when they get arrested. It's fun. Yeah. Apparently a man at the Algonquin Hotel, Algonquin Hotel, IDs Murph the Surf as a guy who pistol whipped him during a robbery at the hotel and stole $250. So now we're escalating from cool, high-dollar jewel-thieving, cat-burgling, James Bond villain-selling kind of ways
Starting point is 00:36:33 to pistol-whipping some guy in a hotel for $250. Assault over nothing. Yeah, that's what I mean, over nothing. He's stealing million-dollar jewels one day, next day he's pistol-whipping some poor bastard in the hotel lobby jesus christ also the next day money for tip money so this whole story's out the next day the husband of ava gabor the actress what husband of ava gabor ids murphy and coon as the guys who beat up and robbed ava Gabor of $50,000. Wow. Amazing. They assaulted Ava Gabor? Ava Gabor and took $50,000 from her.
Starting point is 00:37:09 The lady from fucking Green Acres. Yes. Ava Gabor. The lady with the worst accent in the history of accents. Of all the Gabors. There's a million of that. She's Ava Gabor.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Yes. They stole $50,000 and beat her up even. This is amazing. Is this the greatest or what? I mean, how cool is this so far, right?
Starting point is 00:37:28 Beating up Ava Gabor, man. So, basically. I mean, if you can smack somebody, it's going to be somebody with that shit accent.
Starting point is 00:37:36 And they're like, how do we break these people? They just, they go down, they fly, the press love them, they're like the Beatles, they're in Cadillacs,
Starting point is 00:37:44 they're beating up actresses. They're slapping Hungarian fucking TV stars. With impunity, flying back and forth up and down the coast. They're like, what do we do here? Just fucking reckless. So the prosecutor at the time, an assistant DA at the time, Maurice Najari, said, quote, my feeling was that these free spirits could not tolerate jail time.
Starting point is 00:38:03 No shit. And if I could get them in a jail, I could crack them. Good plan, by the way. Good plan. I like your moves, sir. And his whole thing is, I just wanted these gems back. Because there was a lot of pressure from the city. Because, I mean, this is like the J.P. Morgan collection.
Starting point is 00:38:17 So, like, this is wealthy, powerful families are making phone calls to wealthy, powerful people. Going, you make sure to get this shit right. And shit's rolling downhill. So it's directive one. Get these fucking jewels back, whatever you have to do. I don't care if you have to stick a lamp up these guys' asses like they're a Haitian immigrant 30 years from now. You fucking do it.
Starting point is 00:38:37 How do they not catch him, though? Because they're like, catch me if you can, like writing bad checks across the country. But that guy, at least, they don't even know what the fuck he looks like these guys they know who they are it's tanned fucking assholes from florida they keep getting out on bail because and this guy makes a good point in the jar he said they knew one thing it's not about what you did unless you like you know took somebody's head off and put it on a pike and stuck it outside of your house like it's not about what you did it's about the likelihood of you returning to court gotcha that's what bail is based on okay it's is he gonna come back or not and they said he always came to
Starting point is 00:39:09 court when he was supposed to so he kept getting fucking bail he'd always show up and he's like you want the guy to not show up why he's just there he's so dependable for court they have to keep giving him bail like god damn it here he is again shit he snuck in we didn't even see it came in on the red eye you son of a bitch he repelled down the phoenician blind where's my ring so at this point they are with these robberies now hanging over their head their new bail is set at 150 grand each nice they finally set one pretty steep they can't pay this no they've pissed it all away on yachts and beach girls and I don't know what. They're clearly in the red because they're smacking up Hungarian.
Starting point is 00:39:50 She's going to finger you. People know who she is and if she knows what you look like you're going to get caught and you're robbing her 50 grand of it. You're clearly in the red. I don't know what one of those big suction cup things we talked about cost but they needed one. So that's maybe what it was. They won't buy a lot of yachts though so coon
Starting point is 00:40:08 holds a meeting in jail and they all get together and they go this is not kosher what we're all doing here now in jail no uh we all have better lifestyles than this yeah this is for the riff raff uh we need to get the fuck out of here let's cooperate we aren't square but we're more square than this shit let's do what we got to do to get the fuck out of here and get back to banging multiple girls at the same time on the beach and driving around with the Beach Boys and Help Me Rhonda playing. Please. Something with a four on the floor. This is what they decide to do. They decide they'll cooperate.
Starting point is 00:40:36 The DA, Najari, wants these jewels back. Kuhn says, okay, tell you what. You go down. Take me down to Miami. I can get you the jewels back ASAP. Fucking pronto. We'll getune says this this is what coon tells the d.a. najari the jari takes this to the judge and the judge says no not gonna release them no not gonna release them near custody i don't want to do that return them to jail so he says well shit now what do we do we need this guy down to miami need the jewels back high pressure from here the judge
Starting point is 00:41:04 isn't getting pressure because the judge doesn't care. No. He's a judge. He wants justice. He's not a guy that's trying not to get fired here. He's not an assistant district attorney who's trying to move up the ladder. He's just going by the book. He just doesn't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:41:16 So anyway, Najari works up a criminal heist of his own. He says, quote, I kidnapped him. Awesome. They work this out where they pretend like he says, well, I gotta question him more. So, there's other heists that we've heard that I gotta question him. So, I can't take him right back to jail. I'm gonna take him to my office first. And we might have to question him
Starting point is 00:41:34 all night. You never know. Rather than taking him there, they take him to the airport. Fuck yes, they do. Get on a plane, get out of Miami. Why isn't this a goddamn movie? This is amazing. This part of it isn't, but part of it was a movie, okay? So, it's amazing. So, they take him down there and they start going or now imagine this there's the da him and he's calling all of his friends and fences and people trying to track down these fucking jewels down there by morning they can't track it down by morning so they stay down there this najari guy's
Starting point is 00:42:01 in trouble basically the judge is not happy we're. He's like, we're already fucked. Let's just find the jewels. Yeah, so they keep going. And finally, days later, on the 8th of January, it was like two days later, at 3 o'clock in the morning, an informer finally comes out and says that he has info of where it is. The whole group, and now the press is following them around, too. They're trying to pretend like they're not doing what they're doing. They're trying to do this low-key, but the press knows about it. press is following them around too. They're trying to pretend like they're not doing what they're doing. They're trying to do this low key. But the press knows about it.
Starting point is 00:42:27 They're following them around everywhere. They're like calling them on the phone in hotel rooms. TMZ is following them around. Yeah. The press is like, it's like a little, it's like a little like a gumball rally. Whenever they go somewhere, everybody gets in their cars and follow. It's ridiculous. So they do this whole thing.
Starting point is 00:42:42 They go to the Miami bus station. Yeah. To some terminal in a bus station, at 3 o'clock in the morning, locker number 911. Guess what's there? The Star of India Sapphire is in a Miami bus station locker
Starting point is 00:42:56 at 3 o'clock in the morning. That's probably where, anytime that's ever been in a movie, that's where it came from. That's where it came from. The bus locker. That's amazing. They actually put it in a bus locker.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Who's going to look there for the most priceless jewel on earth? Jesus Christ. So they get those back. They get the DeLong. A 300-year-old gem, by the way. It's 300 years old from India. So the DeLong ruby is held by a Miami gangster at this point. Somehow that got into a Miami gangster.
Starting point is 00:43:23 So great. He offers it to a millionaire, John MacArthur, who's trying to get it back for the city, offers him 25, it says basically ransom of 25,000, you can have it back, basically. Nice chunk of change. The jewel is exchanged in another movie thing.
Starting point is 00:43:40 It's a phone booth thing. The guy has to come. They have an intermediary, this writer guy, who comes and he's supposed to go up to a phone booth thing. The guy has to come. They have an intermediary, this writer guy, who comes, and he's supposed to go up to a phone booth at a certain time where the phone is ringing. He goes in there. That's where he's supposed to leave the money, in the ringing phone booth. He leaves the money in there, answers the phone. They tell him it's two booths down up in the ceiling of the thing on top of it in the roof in a bag.
Starting point is 00:44:02 He hangs up the phone, goes two booths over. There's the fucking uh the uh the midnight star the delong ruby the long star ruby is there awesome it's insane so they find that yeah so there's people that are pissed off about the way they they you know actually paid a ransom yeah and all that but tough shit the goddamn thing's back it's going back to the museum it's pretty neat though the way that's fascinating that's such a movie thing to do you know what i mean um so anyway uh and you can't write something like that so i guarantee anytime that shit's been in a movie it came from it came from this shit so they they bring a jeweler
Starting point is 00:44:32 right to the site to you know get its authenticity right away make sure it's not a big hunk of shit big piece of glass so it's anyway so it's the thing uh he's you know they're all heroes for getting it back millionaire dude's a hero. Whatever. So at this point, they get that back. They're pretty happy. They never get back the Eagle Diamond. Really? The Eagle Diamond never comes back because it is not, like I said, it was valuable for where it was found, not for really what it is.
Starting point is 00:44:58 They're pretty sure that it was broken up into smaller stones and sold off. Probably in some fucking housewife's ring in Minnesota. Exactly. Who knows where the hell it is right now fucking housewife's ring exactly exactly who knows where the hell it is right now your grandmother's ring it's probably piece right you never know so her half a carrot that your grandfather worked for he slaved his fucking ass off yeah to get her a diamond ring it came from a jewel heist yeah so basically the prosecutor offers them um one year in prison for each basically it's three years in prison the process is what they get it's not so bad for it they have to serve a year the thing was if they returned all the
Starting point is 00:45:30 jewels they'd only get one year a piece all right but since they couldn't return all the jewels they get three years a piece sorry which is still they had a defense to fund they were facing 30 so they'd cut some time off of that so it worked to do that they said they already sold the other ones what the fuck are you gonna to do? Sorry, guys. Put the Eagle Diamond back together and give it to somebody. So all three are paroled after like 21 months. They're all paroled. There's also another man, Richard Duncan Pearson, who was convicted.
Starting point is 00:45:55 He was actually convicted in the ransom thing. He was one of the go-betweens on the gangster side of it. All right. So he got convicted of it also. Exactly. He's convicted also. He walked up to a phone booth and jammed a bag in there.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Yes. I mean, they get out. They're free and clear. They're famous. They participated in the most, you know, insane jewelry heist. Everyone knows about it. They're famous dudes.
Starting point is 00:46:16 I mean, people want to write movies about them. So awesome. It's their life's back to big. Amazing right now. It's doing, it's the best, right? So, Kuhn disappears. He wants no part. It's the best, right? So, Coon disappears. He wants no part. Clark takes off.
Starting point is 00:46:28 He doesn't want any part of shit. Coon doesn't want part. He doesn't want the spotlight. That's what he wants. But Murph the Surf can't get enough. Murph the Surf goes to L.A., baby. He doesn't give a shit. Where is the spotlight?
Starting point is 00:46:39 It is in L.A. I will be there. He's doing some stunt work. He's working on a screenplay. He's a typical L.A. douchebag. He does the Tom Paine. He's going to parties. He's wearing some stunt work. He's working on a screenplay. He's a typical L.A. douchebag. He does like the Tom Paine. He's going to parties. He's going, yeah, you know.
Starting point is 00:46:47 He's wearing gold-rimmed fucking aviators. You know, I met Ava Gabor once. Yeah. Once I met her. I didn't tell anybody. I met her, you know. Jacked her in the fucking jaw. Her husband, not such a fan of that guy.
Starting point is 00:46:57 I don't like her. That guy's a piece of shit. He's kind of a dick. So he's arrested on several jewelry heists in L.A. also. Yeah. But he's never brought to trial. There's insufficient evidence, and they never indict him. They never find the jewels.
Starting point is 00:47:09 They arrest him, but they never indict him because he's apparently better at getting away with it on the West Coast than on the East Coast. So he returns to Miami after a little while. It's just shit's not going well for him. You know, narrowly escapes trial for shit out there. All the callbacks dry up. It's so funny, too. When he got out of prison in New York, in Rikers Island, he said,
Starting point is 00:47:28 this is wonderful. He got out and he said, here's another in their own words. It's a short one, but a sweet one here. He says, quote, I don't give a damn about anything or anyone. End of quote. That's it.
Starting point is 00:47:38 We know, sir. That's all he had. We're convinced. Goes to Miami, and this is where shit gets deep. This is where I don't like him anymore. None of you should, okay? First of all...
Starting point is 00:47:50 Takes his talents to South Beach. Yeah. First of all, in 68, spring of 68, two bodies are found. Two young female bodies are found in a creek outside, or in a swamp outside of Hollywood, Florida. These are called the Whiskey Creek Murders. So, I mean, there's a fucking name for these. Like the, you know, like a serial killer. Like the Green River, this, or
Starting point is 00:48:13 there's the Whiskey Creek Murders. They have a nickname in the press. I think, so, it's good stuff at this point here. They're, not for these girls, but for the story. It's getting interesting. So, these bodies are found. They don't know anything about these girls they don't know anything about what happened circumstances any of this is looming yeah um and then uh we get to later spring 68 uh a socialite rich broad we'll call her it's the 60s some square broad some square broad
Starting point is 00:48:41 with a lot of dough yeah Yeah. Olivia Wofford. She sounds rich. She sounds rich. She is robbed by a team of men, okay, in her home, including Murphy, okay? They bust into her house. They rough her up. They have guns. They want her to open the safe.
Starting point is 00:48:59 They threaten to pour boiling water on her eight-year-old niece. Oh, my God. If she doesn't open the safe. This is in addition to having guns to their head. This if she doesn't open the safe. This is in addition to having guns to their head. This is so much further than that jewel room. This is not fun anymore.
Starting point is 00:49:08 No, this isn't fucking funny. This is fucked up. The Beach Boys have stopped. You heard the records go, help me. It died. They're like, did you just say boiling water?
Starting point is 00:49:16 What the fuck, man? Dude, this is getting deep, man. We're not going to be your soundtrack anymore. This is like in Goodfellas when it changes to where he's doing coke from the fun gangster times. This is like, oh, this isn't fun anymore. This is no good. This is like in Goodfellas when it changes to where he's doing coke from the fun gangster times.
Starting point is 00:49:25 This is like, oh, this isn't fun anymore. This is no good. This is terrible. Yeah, this is no good. So, yeah, they end up, they force her to open the safe. As she does, she has some sort of silent alarm system rigged in the safe. Smart for her because she sets it off. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Cops start coming to the house. Uh-oh. Cops rush in. Murphy, who said repeatedly that he loves the high-speed getaway type thing. He's into this for the excitement and all this type of thing. He decides to... Well, you know what?
Starting point is 00:49:52 That makes sense. All the fucking thrill-seeking that he does with all his fun gigs. Yeah, he's high cliff diving. He's surfing. He's surfing in the 50s was considered like, whoa, that guy's crazy.
Starting point is 00:50:01 That guy's crazy, yeah. He's riding water. There's sharks and shit out there. Mm-hmm. So he tries to escape he tries to escape he jumps through a play glass window wow cuts the shit out of his face and everything he saw that shit in the movie he's like well that didn't go the same way that was fuck i should damn all the movies are about me later on but i didn't have it he didn't have a playbook to go by like we have now right from these movies of what he did realize they build
Starting point is 00:50:24 those those those windows in the movies out of sugar shit. Yeah, this is not fair. They shatter real easy and don't cut. He's cut all over his face. Doesn't matter. Gets in a car, takes off, fucking high speed chase through Miami. Bleeding fucking everywhere. He's managed to bandage himself up a little bit too.
Starting point is 00:50:40 While he's driving. While he's driving. Unbelievable. And gets to, we find this out because he eventually crashes through someone's french doors in their house that's how the police find him a hell of an arrival his face is all cut up and bandaged this there's a mug shot of it that i found and we'll post on social media of him with his face cut up he looks like he has a beard of bandages almost and they get to him they go yeah uh we know you were back there how'd you cut your face he
Starting point is 00:51:03 goes i must have cut myself shaving. That was his line. Just came out with that out of his ass. What happened to your face? He looks like that mummy game that people play at Halloween with toilet paper. Yeah, that's what he looked like. Yeah, and he said, I cut myself shaving. Ha, ha, ha. Wise ass to the end.
Starting point is 00:51:18 He is taken to the hospital before the police station, obviously, to get stitched up and everything. So it's amazing. I love that, though. I shaved with the eagle diamond. So he is 68. He's charged with this robbery, but then he's ruled insane. Yeah, I'm going with yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:39 By a judge. I like that. But. This isn't charged with this robbery. He's charged with another robbery. A different robbery robbery a different robbery how do they not pin this shit on him
Starting point is 00:51:47 I don't know this is before this he's charged with something and they end up letting it he ends up getting off on it on insanity and gets out of
Starting point is 00:51:55 just gets out so he's free to commit these things here so he's arrested there he's out on bail now for the Wofford thing
Starting point is 00:52:04 even with the wall he with the luckiest person on earth but he shows up for court so god damn it he's got a good record he's known as a good bail risk he'll show up he might go out and rob people and cat burgle and whatever but he'll show up back again when you need him here i am blood on my hands and all but you know pot of boiling water hold them holding shitty mummy wrap on my face yeah cut myself shaving sorry guys so yeah he's out on bail and as he's out on bail uh we find out some more about these bodies that are the whiskey creek murders uh they turn out to be two young ladies by the name of terry ray frank and annette moan uh terry frank is 24 we don't know how old
Starting point is 00:52:46 annette is probably the same age we're assuming these were two female secretaries at at a brokerage house in california okay in la visiting florida they were well we'll get into why they were there uh turns out mr murphy here murph the surf yeah and and a couple of accomplices talked these young ladies into stealing half a million dollars in securities wow for them from the brokerage had a you know scam in this so now they're getting into like high finance this is crazy uh it turns out 488 732 dollars was stolen about three million dollars from this so yeah about three3 million they're stealing. So, I mean, this is quite the fucking heist here.
Starting point is 00:53:28 Jesus. These two girls were found in a swamp outside of Hollywood, Florida. They were shot, bludgeoned to death, and had concrete weights tied around their necks in the water also. Somebody wanted them dead for real. Somebody wanted them dead and not fucking found, basically. And so it turns out they apparently were threatening to go to the cops with this whole situation. They're going to squeal because they're square broads. Because they're square broads.
Starting point is 00:53:59 They didn't learn. Square broads. Guys, crime and sports rule number six. Don't get involved with square broads. No, don it they're gonna turn you in every time square broads you need a hot one of these like bruno de sousa's woman that ex-wife that's a that's a that's a ride or die kind of girl right there she'll take care of your kid with your porn star ex-girlfriend that you just murdered she'll take that kid, take care of it. That's the kind of girl you want.
Starting point is 00:54:26 A crooked bitch like that. Don't bring these girls in here. None of these fucking square brawns. No. I love brawns. That's so funny. I know. You've got to love the 60s, man.
Starting point is 00:54:34 It's amazing. So he's arrested for this murder on May 8, 1968, in a Valenti's restaurant parking lot in Miami. Yeah. This is while he's awaiting trial for the Wofford robbery gotcha so he's got that going on this is bad news for him basically um the uh a paper uh he's he's trying to say he's insane he's trying to get out of this yeah he's trying to say i don't know what i piled up too big he can't climb this this is huge at this point i don't know bigger than a 10 foot wall yeah this is bigger than a hike dive or yeah i can't climb this. This is huge at this point. I don't know what the fuck to do. This is bigger than a 10-foot wall. Yeah, this is bigger than a hike, dive, or...
Starting point is 00:55:06 Yeah. Yeah, I can't... There's no Venetian blinds long enough for me to shimmy down at this point. So there's an article in the Daytona Beach Morning Journal in September 20th, 1968, where a state panel ruled him, quote, antisocial but sane. Returned him to jail and recommended that he be put the trial for double murder go forward um antisocial unless you're a criminal that loves to rob shit yeah then he can fucking
Starting point is 00:55:31 sing with you all day he goes back on trial uh he's convicted of first degree murder with a with accomplice jack griffith uh was apparently the guy that was with him uh the i think jack griffith or some somebody flipped on him was how they had all this information that makes sense turns out there was more than these two involved in the securities thing there was a group of people planning that but these two apparently took these girls to florida it's gonna be weird if you if you just turn up with 488 000 dollars so there's a lot of people yeah there's a bunch of people in this but apparently these two are the ones and they say they still say they didn't do it, and they were just, I'm not a rat, and they're pulling that shit again.
Starting point is 00:56:09 So he is only convicted of killing Terry Ray Frank somehow, which this I don't understand. There's two bodies killed exact same way, next to each other, both involved, same plot, same everything. They find him guilty only of one murder. They only find him guilty of yeah so the other just died by the same way by she apparently was a copycat she was just had no originality she's like i'm gonna kill myself shoot myself bludgeon myself tie a weight around my neck and throw myself into a swamp i think that's the best way to go because that was my best friend and i can't live without her i gotta honor her in a beautiful way. In a beautiful, beautiful way.
Starting point is 00:56:49 So he's convicted of first-degree murder, given a life sentence. He's fucked at this point. Don't like him so much now, right? He's a garbage person. He's a garbage person. So 1970 comes along, and he receives a second life sentence plus 20 years for the Wofford robbery. It's conspiracy. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's conspiracy and
Starting point is 00:57:05 assault to commit robbery so it's an assault in the commission which is much worse that's a how long do you think he stared at that paperwork when he saw another life sentence he's like are you shitting me i should have killed her yes he should have at this point should have poured water all over the niece because he would have got away with it. So he, at this point, has two life sentences plus 20 years. He's sitting in jail. It's over for him. It's over for him. I mean, Tom Payne had one life sentence.
Starting point is 00:57:30 He's been in there for 40 years. He's still there. So luckily for him, he's white, though, and things go a little better for him than that, as we'll get into, which is fucking ridiculous. He's white and not in Kentucky. Exactly. He lives in Florida, which is bad, just as bad.
Starting point is 00:57:44 So when he's sentenced for the Wofford robbery, the judge said at sentencing that he, quote, he is, unfit to ever again
Starting point is 00:57:52 be in a free world with a law-abiding society. That is quite the declaration. That stings. You, sir, may fuck off. That is an absolute
Starting point is 00:58:01 fuck off to jail right there. I love that. Can you imagine, though, like being able, I'd like to be a judge just for a day to be able to say shit like that off to jail right there. I love that. Can you imagine, though, like being able... I'd like to be a judge just for a day to be able to say shit like that right to people's faces. That'd be amazing. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:58:11 You had to sit down. How can I articulately tell this guy what a piece of shit he is? I really want him to know. And, you know, I said this to that last guy. I want it to sting, too. I want it to sting. Original? Unfit. Yeah, he's unfit. He's unfit. Yeah, like that's a good one. Law it to sting, too. I want it to sting. I want original. Unfit.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Yeah, he's unfit. He's unfit. Yeah, like that's a good one. Law-abiding is good. So he's in prison. 1971. Here it comes, Jimmy. What does he do?
Starting point is 00:58:33 Uh-oh. Guess what he finds. I've got to know. Just tell me. Jesus, of course. Of course he finds Jesus. Of course he does. Of course.
Starting point is 00:58:42 So 1971 becomes a born-again Christian. Later on, he says... I was going to go with the eagle diamond. Here it is, guys. Can I get out now? No? Fuck. Damn it.
Starting point is 00:58:52 I want out. I'm good now. Yeah, I'm good now. Okay. He needs a silver-haired, middle-aged white man. He does. That's what he needs. It's funny you say that, Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Hang on to that thought, buddy. Hang on to that thought, my friend. So he finds Jesus this fuck. Hang on to that thought. So he becomes a born- thought, my friend. So he finds Jesus this fuck. Hang on to that thought. So he becomes a born-again Christian. Later on, in their own words here, he says, quote, I didn't take it too seriously then. It just seemed like the politically correct thing to do.
Starting point is 00:59:15 So obviously, he's full of shit. He even says later on he's full of shit. I didn't know what to do, so this is the only card I had left. Says that, this is fucking amazing, okay. Says that he, in prison prison he ran a drug ring a gambling operation this is while he's born again christian also too in 71 because he didn't do this from 70 this was like later um he and also helped lead a prison strike all of this earning him seven months in isolation solitary confinement for being a jackass plenty of time to get to know your lord sir his oh my god and then he but he's he's such a sociopath he's he's better than this
Starting point is 00:59:52 though he's above all these people even though he's running drug rings and gambling operations and he has an ego on threatening eight-year-olds and murdering young girls and dumping them in swamps boiling water by the way like that That's not even threatening to kill her. That's like just fucking her up for the rest of her life. That's worse than saying I'm going to cut her throat. That's worse. He says, here's a great in their own words. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:00:14 Quote, this is about prison. Quote, you take a man and lock him up 24 hours a day. Every other day he gets out for about three hours to take a shower. Because of the inadequate staffing, because of the inadequate programs, these men are getting out vicious. I don't want them moving into the neighborhood where my kind of people live well your kind of people are those people you're in the neighborhood right that's your neighborhood where you belong right where you belong with other murdering assholes run down to the park for three hours a day fuck it how are the waves dickhead oh my god what a fucking ridiculous that's the most ridiculous
Starting point is 01:00:46 statement i've ever that ego is sounds like archie but i don't want him archie bunker i don't want to move into the neighborhood where i eat it eat it is that puerto rican's moving in across the street that's what i feel like man i smell indian food so i mean and then it comes out too i mean this is all going on 71 72 he is cocky as balls here he comes off 1972 uh june 29th 1972 i found an article from the lakeland ledger yeah the fuck yeah i don't know they're writing articles about about prisoners yeah it's well he's famous that's why and he's a famous jewel thief and it's an interesting story people want to keep hearing he's got a fucking mouth on him that doesn't quit and he says some funny shit here too he does not let us down my friend um the article is is called uh murph the surf still has hope that's the article murphy
Starting point is 01:01:36 is confident that he'll be out within a year at this point this is 1972 he is serving two life sentences and he's been in prison for two years yeah two life sentences. And he's been in prison for two years. Yeah. Two life sentences plus 20. He's just completely delusional, this guy, at this point. And that's why I don't believe him later on, because you don't go from a completely delusional psychopath or sociopath to just on a dime, hey, now I care about others. You don't teach empathy like that. We'll get into this. I don't buy this Jesus shit for one jesus shit i'm 35 i'm not a sociopath by any stretch but i don't even have much empathy i'm the same jerk off i was when i was 16 so you know what so is he fuck him so anyway let's keep going here uh he says that his lawyer has a valid
Starting point is 01:02:15 appeal uh the the they say he has a valid appeal his appeal is that the wofford trial was unfair because he there was so much publicity that he was denied a fair trial because he was trying to pull like hey everybody knew who i was between the surfing between the jewel heist between all this shit they all knew who the murder the murder with a name whiskey creek murders i mean you have a named branded fucking murder that you committed. He has a branded murder. Hashtag Whiskey Creek Murders. He's got a fucking hashtag. That version of 1968 hashtag is what he's got.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Ridiculous, man. So he's thinking he's going to get out. And this article, Jimmy, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. There's never been, real quick, there's never been a named murder where the person gets out of prison after three years.
Starting point is 01:03:09 No, no. I don't think they ever have gotten out. Most of the time, with named murders, they fucking hang. Especially in the 60s. And he's not even, this is, the appeal's not even about the Whiskey Creek murders.
Starting point is 01:03:21 It's about the Wofford robbery. He's saying that the publicity from the murders made it unfair for him later. What about the Whiskey Creek murders. It's about the Wofford robbery. He's saying that the publicity from the murders made it unfair for him later. What about the murders? You think you're getting out for three years? There's still a life sentence for those fucking... Yeah, what do you think? That's two years?
Starting point is 01:03:34 Life or two, three years, whenever you feel like it's okay. He feels like he can get over on the world, this guy, man. That's the same thing with the psychiatric shit. He thought, I can get over on these guys. All the psychiatrists, too, in that whole thing they all said like he's good at everything he does yeah they all had like this shit like he's a smart brilliant talented sociopath basically that's what it is so i mean he uh this article is ridiculous they they it's from 72 and it's
Starting point is 01:04:03 funny because i read tom pain pain articles this is why i said this is the white experience of tom pain it's the opposite experience of it of i don't get into racial shit but this is so fucking obvious it's not even funny because i read articles of him from 72 when he was on trial and convicted of rape and this is the same time period same time period jimmy worse fucking i mean 100 miles away right miles away. So it's not like one's in Canada and one's in Afghanistan. We're in the same area. Both of them are ruining lives. Yeah, he killed two goddamn people and disposed of their fucking bodies.
Starting point is 01:04:35 With zero sexual motivation at all. No, trying to cover up a robbery. That's straight gangster fucking goodfellas shit. That is Frankie Carbone hanging in the meat shop, man. That's a dangerous motherfucker. It is. This is horrible. robbery like that's straight gangster fucking goodfellas shit that is frankie carbone hanging in the meat that's a dangerous motherfucker it is this is horrible so this article acts like he is king shit it acts like they're talking to a movie star who's on the set of his latest movie they call him like his brother or some shit in the middle of his quote they'll say like you know he'll be like blah blah blah blah blah and then you know they'll say like says so and so and then
Starting point is 01:05:04 they'll continue with the quote how they do in newspapers it'll say in the you know, he'll be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, they'll say like, says so and so. And then they'll continue with the quote, how they do in newspapers. It'll say, in the one it said, it had half of his quote. And then it said, says the handsome 35-year-old. Holy shit. They kept commenting on how his nails stayed nice and manicured, how his hair was combed so nicely, and how articulate he was. Was this a woman that wrote it? No.
Starting point is 01:05:23 This was just a fluff piece, man. Some flamboyant dude that wrote it? He's in prison! How do you, as a... Two life sentences. As a journalist, like, his bulge in his pants throbbed as he said. They were just saying, like, this smooth, suave... They just treated... And he was acting like he was a movie star.
Starting point is 01:05:40 This huge, cocked, sizzled chest. Yeah, yeah, his giant cock pulsated. P pulsed with wonder as i stick pulsed like the star of india sapphire as i stared down upon it his adam's apple bobbed as he said i begged him to shimmy down my venetian blinds and into my jewel room so how do you as a journalist fucking write that even in the 70s they ask him this is so funny because they kept every article when he's in prison they kept asking him about homosexuality in prison they were people were fascinated with that back then his quote on this is great in their
Starting point is 01:06:16 own words quote every young man growing up wants to express his manhood then they throw him in an unnatural environment like this and it explodes they They wonder why. But they don't bother me. I'm a gangster. He said with a twinkle in his eye. I'm a gangster and a born again Christian and my appeal is valid so let me out of jail. I'm a good guy. Oh, I'm a gangster. They don't fuck me because I'm a gangster.
Starting point is 01:06:37 But I'd like to go back home, please. Please. And this is the same article that they're fluffing him up, fucking jerking him off talking about his sapphire cock and his beautifully manicured fingernails and how articulate he is. And his ruby red cock head. Ridiculous, dude.
Starting point is 01:06:52 This is so ridiculous. In 72, he takes up painting. Douchebag. With his cock. Yeah, this is ruby cock. Just moving it back and forth. At this point, he's got a common law wife, Connie.
Starting point is 01:07:03 More white trash. Fucking thing. Connie Lynn or some forth. At this point, he's got a common-law wife, Connie. More white trash. Fucking thing. Connie Lynn or some shit. Even the article, even with the girl, called her, his 27-year-old common-law, or his common-law wife, Connie,
Starting point is 01:07:15 quote, a beautiful 27-year-old woman. Jesus. I want to punch this fucking journalist. It's just such a fluff piece. He's saying she sets up exhibits to sell his paintings so he has money in there, money for his appeals,
Starting point is 01:07:27 and his paintings sell well. Yeah. And I've seen his paintings. You can get them now. He still paints. They're like total just douchebag ocean watercolors like fucking you'd see
Starting point is 01:07:37 in a bad hotel room if it hasn't been updated. He's no Bob Ross. Yeah. Like, no, nice comfort in print asshole. It's terrible. You're no Ansel Adams, motherfucker. Yeah, and he's, it's, pop Ross yeah like no nice comfort in print asshole it's terrible no Ansel Adams
Starting point is 01:07:45 motherfucker yeah and he's it's now we get to like 70 74 ish and he says another quote another in their own words he's got a lot in their own words this guy he loves to talk and there's so much more that we could be here for hours I all of a sudden hate this fucking man you you're gonna hate him even more because he's such a fucking tool i just don't like him and i feel like he is i feel like he's a sociopath and he's smart and he sees things and he knows how to play an angle and this is an angle that he plays hard and it's just ridiculous well he says okay this quote what's important to me now is different from what was important to me years ago i I plan on being out of here pretty soon, and I understand what I'll have to do to make it on the outside.
Starting point is 01:08:28 That's such a bullshit parole hearing thing to say. I know where the fucking Joanne's fabric store is in my neighborhood. I'll get my paints. I know how to get through this life. It's okay. Fuck you, man. Now we come to 1974. Meanwhile, listen, I worked my fucking ass off trying to make it in this world,
Starting point is 01:08:44 and this guy's just got the magic theory? Go fuck yourself, man. And he listen, I worked my fucking ass off trying to make it in this world and this guy's just got the magic theory. Go fuck yourself, man. And he does, too. That's the thing. You try and scale down Venetian blind chords, they would have found you
Starting point is 01:08:53 with a broken fucking neck at the bottom of the chords. I'd be hanging from it just dangling my fucking... Broken neck with the chords wrapped around your legs just dangling you there with your neck barely broken
Starting point is 01:09:02 on the marble floor. How did he... Where are the tools? How come he didn't get away he didn't get away never even got and i'd be on top of you with my leg broken twisted behind me going thank god he broke my fall as i took me to jail be fucking ridiculous so he meets a gentleman an ex-nfl player in 1974 comes to the prison with his ministry who the fuck is it? It's a man named Bill Glass. He's an ex-NFL player, played for Detroit and some championship 60s Cleveland teams. From 58 to 68, a four-time All-Pro in the NFL, defensive end and tackle. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I'm going to give you one guess what color his hair is. Tell me how silver fucking haired this cocksucker is. Silver haired. He's as silver haired and as middle-aged and as white of a man as you get at this point jimmy just coming in and he brings his ministry fluffing up their sapphire cocks all over the place man and and this uh apparently he sees uh murph the surf sees how this guy operates and it's so fucking funny too if you take i'm gonna give you this next in their own words and take the first half of it and don't take the rest of it because i think
Starting point is 01:10:11 the first half of it is what he really meant to say and then he needed to add the last half of it to put his bullshit over okay so this is after meeting bill glass quote in their own words quote suddenly the pieces of the puzzle came together i started to think differently i began to really understand christianity and how it could affect my life in a positive way cut it off after i began started to think differently yeah that's what he started to do he started to go hmm that's the angle i know how i can manipulate that this fucking system i need to go all out with it i just said i was a born again but i have to actually not run a gambling ring i gotta start fucking
Starting point is 01:10:45 quoting scriptures and planting flowers in the fucking garden. So I'm pretty sure, yeah, that's what happened. So he starts doing that. Now he's all Christian-y. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:54 He, a feature film, a major Hollywood feature film in 1975 comes out about his life called Murph the Surf. Wow. It is starring Robert Conrad
Starting point is 01:11:06 and Burt Young. Get the fuck out of here. It's a fucking real Hollywood movie. It's not a shit B movie or anything like that. This is a major released in the theaters. Not a midnight you know whatever. It's a real movie. Unbelievable. That's released about his life. He's even more famous at this point. And in this movie
Starting point is 01:11:22 too. Let's just say they don't really talk too much about the murders. It's mostly about the jewel heist and the lifestyle and all that. They don't really get into, oh, yeah, then he wrapped concrete fucking weights around two secretaries' necks and dumped them in a swamp. Or some concrete in a Folgers can and bungee-cored that to square broads' necks. There's no scene in the movie where he's holding a 55-year-old lady by the hair going, I will pour fucking boiling water all over your goddamn eight-year-old lady by the hair going, I will pour fucking boiling water all over
Starting point is 01:11:46 your goddamn eight-year-old niece if you don't tell me where the fucking safe is. That part's not in the movie. I hope he at least cold-cocked Ava in the goddamn movie. No, it's out too.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Yeah, none of that. So, I mean... This is for that goddamn pig. This guy, and I mean, he's in... Like we said, these girls are dead. Ava Gabor's punched
Starting point is 01:12:01 in the fucking face. We have, you know, this poor woman her her thankfully unharmed niece but her robbed and traumatic ass two dead people people prison riots and people in gambling rings and christianity and all this shit and this is all going i feel bad for everybody i feel so bad for these people but not not as bad as I feel for Jack Murphy, editor-in-chief of SoftRep.com. How Irish is that motherfucker?
Starting point is 01:12:31 A Columbia-educated former Army Ranger. Holy shit. He's a bad man. Jack Murphy, executive vice president and head of sales for business banking at Citizens Bank in Boston. Holy shit. Important guy.
Starting point is 01:12:41 Jack Murphy, adjunct professor at John Jay College of fire science institute that sounds badass jack murphy president of jay murphy and associates inc expert witness mediator and arbitrator and of course jack murphy vice president of finance at shift gig and an internet company based in chicago obviously those guys yeah people with impressive fucking titles other than murderer that's the second week in a row we've had an expert witness in our in our mistaken identities by the way how weird is that so if you rape or kill somebody someone with your name can testify on your behalf against all right on your behalf so he's doing this in prison he's gone full christian blown out
Starting point is 01:13:20 i mean prolapsed fucking christian yeah blown the fuck out man it's all full-on christianity he knows it all he's genesis revelations he's mr change your life he is he's prophesied he's so i mean he's into this so hard he is not supposed his first first earliest parole date is supposed to be november 2005 okay that's the first time they're is supposed to be November 2005. Okay? That's the first time they're even supposed to sit down and look at this fucking idiot. Just 11 years ago. From 71. Because he's got two life sentences
Starting point is 01:13:54 plus 20 years. So they're like, sit for a while. We'll get to you. Sit for 30 years and we'll talk about it later. Yeah, you don't have the paperwork and you're at the DMV, you don't have any of your paperwork and they're like, go sit over there, we're going to feel it. You're fucked, we're going to take care of the guy, he just needs a picture quick, sorry. You're essentially Beetlejuice with that long ass tape.
Starting point is 01:14:11 That's what it is, yeah. And then the guy next to you is number three. Yeah, and he shrinks your head, that's what he is. So this guy, he's not supposed to be paroled there, but somehow, this is why I say, holy shit with this deal. He is paroled in 1986. What the fuck? He's paroled. He's not even supposed to have a hearing for 19 years, and he's paroled.
Starting point is 01:14:34 He's paroled after murdering and threatening to fucking maim an eight-year-old. Yeah. And pistol-whipping and beating up a woman. And escalating to... Robbery's lifestyle escalating up to murder. He has a murder with a nickname.
Starting point is 01:14:52 He has a hashtag. He has a branded murder. It's his brand. And he's out after 11 years. Out. He's out. What year was it?
Starting point is 01:14:59 86. So 15 years he's out. Yeah, it's ridiculous, too. And he... Like, the people in charge helped him get this hearing you know the kind of hoops you'd have to jump through to get a parole hearing 20 years early 19 years early
Starting point is 01:15:12 where's that judge that told him to fuck off did that guy die or retire unfit to be in normal society where are you at sir can we get that guy again no apparently the head of the prison system this Wainwright asshole who was the head of the prison system this wainwright asshole who's the head of the prison system testified on his behalf at the parole hearing he's the head of the prison
Starting point is 01:15:32 system oh my god i'm sure god all of for everything that crime and sports stands for this man was silver haired and middle-aged as they white White as fuck. Oh my god. No toes. Jesus Christ, he looked like Ted Knight. This guy probably is. Middle aged and silver hair as anybody has ever been in the history of the world. Asshole. So he gets out as he's leaving there, they ask him
Starting point is 01:15:57 for a quote and he says, I'm going to do God's work. Asshole. Fucking asshole. Conditions of his parole include a $2,500 donation to Meals on Wheels. That makes up for double murder. And a restriction on returning to date in Broward County, where the crimes were committed. We don't want you down here. Stay out of the concrete.
Starting point is 01:16:18 Stay out in the sticks, guy. We don't need you over here. Stay away from the concrete. Good lord. Swamps. When he's paroled here, outside the thing, he's asked,
Starting point is 01:16:27 outside the building, he's asked by a little exchange with a reporter, which this tells me he's A, full of shit, and B, an asshole. Okay? Right here.
Starting point is 01:16:39 One and two. Question. Did you ever commit murder? Answer. No. Question. Will you ever be able to convince people that you didn't commit murder answer they didn't believe jesus christ you're not jesus
Starting point is 01:16:51 christ motherfucker they didn't believe he this is what i mean that he has such he's such an egotistical for real lunatic you can't reform that way of thinking this is after parole he can't even fake it. He's been out for five minutes. I didn't believe Jesus Christ. I'm being persecuted. And it's so funny because in the psychiatrist reports from the 60s, part of it was has a complex of persecution. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:17 That was part of his antisocial sphere. That's his diagnosis. Was constant persecution complex. They're everyone's out to get me. So, I mean, ridiculous, man. At this point, he gets out and he starts a preaching. I mean, he starts going. As of 2006, he is preaching in 200 prisons a year by that point.
Starting point is 01:17:41 He's on the prison circuit. He's on the prison circuit. And he's being, see, he did have a plan. he's on the prison circuit he's on the prison circuit and he's being see that he did have a plan he goes out there on the circuit it's it's gonna be 118 here tomorrow yeah and this son of a bitch is in air conditioning we're in phoenix arizona talking about god yeah he's so he is it's insane i'm gonna go outside and work tomorrow son of a bitch and he says about this this is what he says about, it's another thing too, this is another quote about going to prisons.
Starting point is 01:18:09 This is years later, I think it was like 2000 he said this quote. He says, quote, this is after he goes to 200 prisons a year, he says, quote, in their own words, quote,
Starting point is 01:18:16 I hate going into prisons. They are the devil's junk pile. But I do it because people visited me and it meant a lot. I'm not doing anything different. It's just my turn. Jesus said, quote,
Starting point is 01:18:26 You visited me when I was in prison, so it's a command of God to go to these prisons and anywhere people are down and out. End quote. Did Jesus say that? He's Jesus. He thinks he's fucking Jesus, this asshole. He really does.
Starting point is 01:18:39 Oh my God, I want to tie a concrete weight around his neck and dump him in a swamp. But I don't know that Jesus said that. I'm sure he didn't. Or maybe he did. i don't know that jesus said that i'm sure he didn't or maybe he did i don't know anything about religion but it doesn't matter for in prison was jesus well i guess they they didn't they i assume they had to like take him into a holding cell before they put him up on the cross right i don't know i didn't take him right from getting fucking according to mel gibson they just beat the shit out of him till they i mean till they
Starting point is 01:19:02 pierced him they did they put him in a cave for a couple of days. So, I mean, I don't know. Is that imprisonment? Did people go visit him there? Wasn't he supposed to be dead? They didn't know. Okay, my lack of knowledge of religion is really going to take us down a rabbit hole, so we're going to get back to this. Either way, fuck Murph, man.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Fuck Murph to surf. I can't believe he's got this kind of arrogance about him. But people just keep jerking his sapphire cock. In 1996, he's inducted into the East Coast Surfing Hall of Fame. Get out of here. Yeah, they love him. East Coast Surfing, he's a pioneer. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:19:34 In Florida in 2000, the parole board ends his terms of parole. Ends his terms of parole. He's just a free man? Doesn't have to go anymore for any, doesn't have to check in. You know what I'm saying? No longer on parole. Ends his terms of parole.
Starting point is 01:19:51 All of them, largely, as they put it, due to his ministry work. Holy shit. They trust him so much that, you know what? Murder, it's all Jesus now. It's all Jesus. It's all Jesus all the time. I'm good.
Starting point is 01:20:03 I'm good now. I'm good now. I'm good now. I'm good now. I got this silver-haired, middle-aged white man. Cocaine. Cocaine. Eddie Johnson, guys. Go back and check that out if you haven't heard Eddie Johnson.
Starting point is 01:20:15 So this asshole hands out his... He's got... He goes to these prisons. He's got a Bible in his pocket. And he hands out copies of his book to the prisoners. It's called, quote, Jewels of the Journey. Oh, boy. Murph Talks to Wise Guys.
Starting point is 01:20:30 Wow. And it's like his memoirs of talking to people in prison. He hands that out. It'll inspire you. There's something about me. I want to be your middle-aged, silver-haired white man. That's what it is. It's fucking ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:20:42 Hey, how's your life? It sucks? Here's something about me. Here's something about me. Here's a happy journey that's not going to be yours. Hey, this will make you it is. It's fucking ridiculous. Hey, how's your life? It sucks? Here's something about me. Here's something about me. Here's a happy journey that's not going to be yours. Hey, this will make you feel good. It's about me. This will make you want to fucking hang yourself with Venetian blinds.
Starting point is 01:20:54 This is about my cock. It's really intriguing. Read this article. Read about my bulbous dickhead. About how I answer my hand. My wonderfully shaped penis. So, unreal, man. So, this asshole in August of 2011. my wonderfully shaped penis so unreal man so this asshole
Starting point is 01:21:06 in August of 2011 I love how we hate him now that he's like we're like fuck you I loved him in the 50s I loved him in the early 60s he was awesome
Starting point is 01:21:14 until he started killing girls and threatening them he was great with the 8 track of the fucking beach boys it was beautiful
Starting point is 01:21:21 I pictured him cruising around racing the t-birds it was great so in August of 2011 he got a nice little job Beach Boys. It's beautiful. I pictured him cruising around racing the T-Birds. It would be great. So in August of 2011 he got a nice little job here as the vice president of
Starting point is 01:21:31 the International Network of Prison Ministries. I feel like he founded that shit though. No, no, that's a organization.
Starting point is 01:21:38 Somebody else's shit? They hired him? Yeah. Somebody hired this motherfucker. This guy, he's so charismatic. I mean think about
Starting point is 01:21:43 everything he did over time. He's super charismatic. Like he knows how's so charismatic. I mean, think about everything he did over time. He's super charismatic. Like, he knows how to do this. I want to punch him in the fucking face. Every article says how electric he is. He's so full of shit. Especially, like, as a comedian,
Starting point is 01:21:56 watching a guy on stage as a performer, you can tell when he's real and when he's not real. We know people. And when they're on stage, we're like, he's so full of shit up there. I want to punch him in the fucking face. He's faking the fuck out of it. He's such a fake.
Starting point is 01:22:07 He's trying to tell us this joke happened. That shit didn't even happen. That didn't happen. You don't even think that. That's not even your personality. That's how I feel when he's doing this. He's got to sell it. He has to sell it because there's videos of him.
Starting point is 01:22:20 There's promo videos of him with his arms up shouting out the Lord. He's criminal Joe Austin is what he is. Yeah, exactly. But he's not even trying to bilk people with money. He's going to prisoners and trying to get them with their lowest, which I think is even fucking worse. 2012, he tries to get his rights reinstated because he's off parole, but you still don't have voting rights, things like that. He's like, I want to own a gun. Yeah, he wants probably.
Starting point is 01:22:42 He wants his voting rights, all that. He's like, I want to own a gun. Yeah, he wants probably. He wants his voting rights, all that. But the three-person board in Florida, which includes two other people, I guess, and Governor Rick Scott, he's got the governor on his side.
Starting point is 01:22:53 The other two said no. How the fuck does a governor just be like, yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. What the hell? I could use your vote. Why? Because he's a Republican and he's very Christian.
Starting point is 01:23:02 So all the Christians, he was presented to him by all the Christians. All right. We love this guy. He should have his, so he said, oh, okay, and it looks good I bet this guy will vote for you
Starting point is 01:23:09 when you're up for election. No offense to Republicans, but sorry. You're way fooled by that Christian horseshit. Fuck your right wing. You're just snowed by that Christian bullshit
Starting point is 01:23:18 and you'll believe these people because you want to believe that Christianity can change people because you think it's changed you and it hasn't changed you or them. You are pretending and using that to pretend which is fine whatever keeps you from raping pillaging robbing murdering whatever keeps you from fucking doing that fine but don't keep that shit to yourself between me and you I know that you're that it's just you're controlling yourself has nothing to do with Jesus you son of a bitch don't tell me you've changed
Starting point is 01:23:42 it's keeping you from fucking your neighbor's wife. You've just said, I didn't like prison, is what you said. Oh my god, alright. End of rant there. So, this article I saw, he's got this publicist who I just want to punch in the throat even more than him. How does he get people on his goddamn side? Tons of them. People with a pen.
Starting point is 01:24:00 Oh god, this is from an article from October 29th, 2014. His publicist name is Dominic Fusco. Dominic Fusco. So I just picture him. I'm going to talk fat, greasy. One of my uncle's accents with this guy. But I picture in a dirty fucking slime ball. Yeah. And he's like, I'm picturing, you know, get him some speaking. him some speaking gigs because he gets he gets him meanwhile he can barely speak yeah he books him speaking gigs that's what that's what he does here he says he speaks better than i do he says quote murph is just about the most talented guy you'd ever meet but he wasn't great as a thief that's what he says here he's a terrible thief that he's fucking awful this guy you wouldn't believe it he breaks into places shimmying down volition get the fuck out of here with the blinds break in the gut just read the bible get a fucking suction cup asshole what are you thinking oh suction cup leave the duct tape at home that's what he is i think so
Starting point is 01:24:58 uh fusco insists that murphy didn't kill the. He's allowed out on parole, still not admitting to the murders that he was convicted of. When the fuck is someone let out on parole before they make good with that? Before they admit to it and all that shit? People are held forever because they won't just say they did it. He still, as he's walking out,
Starting point is 01:25:20 they said, did you commit the murder? Nope. Well, I'm just like, Jesus, that's all it is. They're just persecuting you. Steve Avery, the guy in fucking Wisconsin. He's learned nothing. This fucking asshole. At least Stephen Avery's not pretending to be a Christian. Right. Well, but he could have gotten time off
Starting point is 01:25:33 of his sentence if he would have just admitted to it, but he won't admit to it. Well, whatever. That's neither here nor there. Unreal. But the point is just fucking admit to it and you can get out sooner. This guy, he still, but he got out anyway. He gets out anyway.
Starting point is 01:25:47 Fucking cop to it now. They can't double Jeopardy, brother. Jesus Christ. So he said, well, oh, it's driving me nuts. So he says that fucking, this Fusco idiot says that he acts as a gatekeeper
Starting point is 01:25:59 keeping the secular media away from him. The non-religious media. You know, the media, in other words. There's no such thing as religious media. I'm shocked Dominic knows the fucking word. I'm not even going to go report on the burning bush. There's no religious media.
Starting point is 01:26:14 You're a fiction writer, not a journalist if you're religious media. You're just talking about things that are going on with people who are Christian. That's what religious media is, basically, I would assume. Welcome back to WWJD News 5. I'm Aaron Noah's Ark. Any Jesus people are going to with people who are Christian. That's what religious media is, basically, I would assume. Welcome back to WWJD News 5. I'm here at Noah's Ark. Any Jesus people are going to fucking hate us after this.
Starting point is 01:26:29 I'm sure you're nice. You didn't kill two people, then say you were a Christian. You might have been an alcoholic, not paid attention to your first kid, whatever the fuck, that's fine. You didn't kill people, so this isn't about you. Threaten to fucking ruin an eight-year-old's life. Melt the skin off
Starting point is 01:26:45 of her treat her like the wicked witch of the west for christ's sake um so uh she's he's making a film about him this fusco guy about his redemption not about his bad stuff yeah he wants a film because that's what we all want to watch a film about a guy getting out of prison and being a fucking preacher for 25 years that sounds exciting um he says the only reason he was in jail to begin with is because murphy's a guy that wouldn't rat he wouldn't rat on the people that really did it so you know he's a good or sorry he's a good guy and he wouldn't rat let me tell you something about this fucking guy he stand up this guy Is that right? So this cock bag now, this dipshit, fucking Murph the jackass sapphire cocked surf, he's living in Crystal River, Florida.
Starting point is 01:27:33 Unbelievable. He's got a wife named Kitten, got his grandkids running around. Of course he does, Kitten. He's got a good life. He's making money fucking talking to prisoners, doing all this circuit bullshit. And that's Murph the Surf. That's his life. I want him back in prison.
Starting point is 01:27:53 I want him to violate. You want to preach? Fine. Preach to the other prisoners. In there. I want that other judge back on the case. You had three hours a day. How much time are you preaching?
Starting point is 01:28:03 Preach away. Knock yourself out, and then go back into your little cell where you can't murder any women. He's got to be the luckiest person on earth. There's nobody luckier than that. The luckiest person on earth. He's had, in that story,
Starting point is 01:28:13 I counted three silver-haired middle-aged white men between Fusco, the football player, Fusco Glass, and the Wainwright guy. That's three silver-haired middle-aged white men on his side. That's usually, you usually get one, two tops. You get two tops. He had fucking three on his side. And the one spit-shining his cock, that journalist,
Starting point is 01:28:32 that's gotta be silver-haired, middle-aged white man. And all of the stories from back then were like that, Jimmy. They were all fluff pieces on him. They were all like the exciting jewel thief, the dashing. He was considered the coolest guy ever. I mean mean and all these quotes too he was like yeah man it was i felt like carrie grant like a cat i felt like a high class like
Starting point is 01:28:50 he's like burglar you know burgling in a tuxedo i felt like carrie grant so he was saying he loved he loved the lifestyle it went a little south right and and then all of a sudden all of a sudden you you other people have to die for it because your sociopath ass can't deal with the consequences. Turn up in a creek. Couple square broads. So now we have a new rule, though. Don't involve square broads in your plan. That's our new rule, you know, crime and sports rule.
Starting point is 01:29:15 It's like rule number seven. We're getting them, we're really building them up, man. Rule, don't find religion until after you've committed your crime. It will help you get out of jail. So that's another rule. Tom Paine found the wrong religion was his fucking problem. His problem was he found Islam
Starting point is 01:29:31 and he had a bunch of black people bringing petitions and they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got it. Get out of here. This guy had all sorts of silver-haired middle-aged white men
Starting point is 01:29:38 coming up going, he's changed. He's a changed man. He talks to the prisoners. He's going to make it better. They're going to get out and be just beautiful human beings and they're going to no no it's too late you killed two fucking people not just by accident he didn't get drunk and go on a rampage it wasn't an act of passion it wasn't a you know not he fucking had people help him do financial securities robbery.
Starting point is 01:30:06 It wasn't even like he saw something shiny when I have to go grab that. They planned an intricate financial thing and then lured the women to Florida and murdered them. The only interest to murder them was to fucking cover up their horrible shit. Pieces of shit. And he's out there in every article now, too, is just, he's the greatest guy alive. Unbelievable. You will not see an article written about him in the last 20 years that has one bad thing to fucking say about this guy.
Starting point is 01:30:31 Well, now you've got an hour and a half about it. You have us, and that's it. Because crime and sports, like we said, we don't care what the courts say. We don't care what the media says. We make our own judgments. For my own fucking opinion. Crime and sports judges, fuck off.
Starting point is 01:30:45 That's the verdict. Verdict of fuck off from crime and sports. Guys, that's what you get. I hate you so much, Murph. Fuck you, Murphy. Salute you stupid dickhead. Unbelievable. So that's Murph the Surf, and we hope you guys enjoyed it a lot.
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Starting point is 01:32:36 dotson thing ken star yes that ken star with bill clinton and all that shit that special prosecuting dipshit he stepped down as. Because they moved him over to chancellor. Like, you know, we'll just move him over. We'll slide him over in our organization. No, no, no, no. Still have to resign. Still step down. He stepped down as chancellor,
Starting point is 01:32:52 so the Baylor program is un-fucking-raveling. And if you haven't listened to Carlton Dodson... They're blowing that program up. Yeah. There's going to be nobody there. They should have the death penalty like SMU got back in the day. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:33:03 Different things, but this is worse than recruiting players poorly. Oh, my God. There's women assaulted. This there. They should have the death penalty like SMU got back in the day. Absolutely. Different things, but this is worse than recruiting players poorly. Oh, my God. There's women assaulted. This is terrible. Jesus Christ. I mean, they had everything. It was almost like they could have had.
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Starting point is 01:33:51 and all the rest. about somebody before. We did. And just letting you guys know, we did not skip it. We're not skipping it. There's still a lot of murder to cover. The guy we're working on now,
Starting point is 01:34:02 it's so, it's gone, it's deep and it's before he was famous, so it's so sketchy, the details. Very little paperwork. And honestly, I just don't want to give you guys false facts. So I had all this research done and I'm ready to do it. And I'm like, you know what? I can't depend on all this stuff.
Starting point is 01:34:17 And I don't know why I even care. I'm not a journalist. I'm a fucking comedian. I shouldn't care. You know why? But I fucking care. You know why? I do.
Starting point is 01:34:23 It's because we're not going to do some half-ass program and stroke some fucker's bulbous cock. We're not going to do it. No. I'm looking through fucking newspapers from 1972, Jimmy. I'm doing like one of these guys in a library, you know, with the microfiche flying by
Starting point is 01:34:39 me in a dark room. That's what I'm doing, man. It's like you're researching the goddamn Zodiac. I'm looking at Lakeland Ledger newspaper articles about, you know, a bail hearing from 1971. It's fucking ridiculous.
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