Crime in Sports - #23 - His Mother Had a Murder Charge - The Trashiness of Tommy "The Duke" Morrison

Episode Date: July 5, 2016

This week, we dig deep with a man who went from being heavyweight champion of the world, and star of a Rocky movie... to drinking, driving, drugging, beating, biting, toting guns, and so much... more. Not to mention his completely untrained, and unqualified medical opinion on the HIV that he swears he doesn't have... but does. But what do you expect when even your mother had a murder charge? This is as big of a human disaster as we've had the pleasure to encounter. Rehearse your lines, practice your left hook, and screw your life up beyond repair, with Tommy "The Duke" Morrison!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: crimeinsports@gmail.comDonate on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:52 Yeah. Following instructions or whatever. That's our usual little joke that we put out there. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. And you are listening to Crime and Sports. Oh, man, this week is so exciting before we get into this guy though i do have to remind you guys because uh if you're hearing this on tuesday
Starting point is 00:02:11 or even wednesday you still have a chance for this when i give you here when it comes out uh this wednesday july 6th at the tempe improv yep it will be crime and sports night you'll see jimmy you'll see myself there it's going to be no podcast stand up but we're going to have a great time come hang out with us you can get in for free on us if you use the promo code crime and sports you can do it online you can do it at the window whenever you want come in there and uh come see us we're gonna have so much fun we'll talk about all of these morons and we'll have a great time seriously we'll make it like a really really good night i love it without further ado jim. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Let's jump into this guy because, wow. Jimmy, this is one of these guys where I looked at it on the surface and I'm like, I don't know if there's enough here for this. And then I started looking him up and I went, holy shit, we need five episodes for this guy. He is a menace to society. And you think, first of all, is it necessarily sports because he's been in movies? But then you're like, well, he kind of did sports and was a big fucking deal. He was a heavyweight champion of the world.
Starting point is 00:03:11 He mattered. He gave a shit. No, this guy had it all. This is our 4th of July episode. If you're listening overseas, 4th of July is American Independence Day. And this is, we'll tell you why later. This is about as American of a dipshit as humanly possible. This guy is Budweiser embodied.
Starting point is 00:03:26 It's unreal. So let's get right into it with Tommy David Morrison. I love it. And right away, when your parents put Tommy on the birth certificate instead of Thomas, that's some white trash. Absolutely. Boom, right away. My uncle's name, we called him Uncle Rick growing up.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Yeah. And I found out how white trash we were when I found out his real name. It is Uncle Ricky. Ricky is his first name. Wow. Ricky, middle name Daryl. We're white trash. Jesus, is he a race car driver?
Starting point is 00:03:51 Sounds like a race car driver. Nobody had a Welcome Race Fans banner. Oh, Jesus Christ. A 12-foot long one in his fucking living room. That does not shock me. No, no. But the white trash in this episode will be shocking because it is just, poof, boy. Tommy Morrison, he was born january 2nd
Starting point is 00:04:05 1969 in gravette arkansas just missed the new year's baby just missed it yeah just a little tommy with a little top hat on yeah no no thanks up born in arkansas born in arkansas and he moves uh the family moves back and forth between arkansas and oklahoma a lot they are yeah it's it's like a little you know white trash we can't decide which white trash state are, yeah, it's like a little, you know, white trash gravy train. We can't decide which white trash state we want to live in. Yeah, so he grows up mostly in Jay, Oklahoma. That's his... Do we want to live in a Dust Bowl
Starting point is 00:04:32 or do we want to live in Tornado Alley? They're both Tornado Alley. Yeah, both of them are. When we're listening to this, after a few minutes of this, when we talk about the family, you're going to think overseas, once again, tornadoes, you know what those are, but the middle of america the middle middle of the country
Starting point is 00:04:48 is where tornadoes ravage they just run through so we don't know why anyone lives there if you live there i'm sorry but good god thank god you're alive still holy shit i don't know how you survive these tornadoes family couldn't decide which state in that fucking weird they come through and just indiscriminately just take out whole towns. This one white trash trailer couldn't have been sucked up into the vortex of space. Just watch the movie Twister. Wow.
Starting point is 00:05:15 It's essentially based in this entire area. Yeah, we're going to get... His parents, very unstable. No shock there. Oh, weird. Father in and out. Father's a severe alcoholic. This is Tim Sr. He has a brother, Tim Jr. also shock there. Oh, weird. Father in and out. Father's a severe alcoholic. This is Tim Sr.
Starting point is 00:05:27 He has a brother, Tim Jr. also. Of course he does. This is Tim Sr., alcoholic. Beat the shit out of the whole family at will, just when he was drunk and angry. Hilarious. His name's Tim. He had a boy named him Tim.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Then he had another boy, and he's like, well, I already wasted Tim. What about Tom? What about Tommy? Tommy's a good name. We'll call him Tommy. No, don't call him Tom. Tommy's on that birth certificate now.
Starting point is 00:05:46 So all boxing is in their family. Of course it is. His grandfather actually gave up boxing to be a minister back in the day, but his grandfather boxed his uncle and his father. I feel like it's because he just got too old to box his own family. I think so. Well, he boxes anyone he can get his hands on, as we'll see here, throughout his whole life, especially as a child.
Starting point is 00:06:03 So they get him into boxing early. He has his first boxing match at age eight yeah so right away i mean that's he's a little eight-year-old kid and he's throwing hands out there already um his family they're just totally they lived in trailers all the time three kids in a bedroom type of situation uh with the wood paneling uh i smell miracle Whip and like craft singles and I smell it. I can smell it, man. It's coming off of this shit. I'm telling you. Lots of single beds. Lots of single beds.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Lots of twin mattresses laying on the floor. I feel like, yeah, a mattress and this kid's got like a mat, like a futon without the futon. Just a mattress. A yoga mat they found in the track yeah they're like this will do an old pool raft we'll give it to tim jr no problem he'll sleep on it uh how hilarious is that that he's this is another family with a junior in it another junior yeah the
Starting point is 00:06:56 white white trash likes to name their family yeah and criminals just love to name junior black people everybody names their kids stop naming your's just indiscriminate. God damn it. It runs in the criminal gene pool. I have the same first name as my father but he was smart enough
Starting point is 00:07:10 not to give us the same middle name so I'm not a Junior. On your birthday I found that out by the way because I asked your father because I was going to make a meme of you being a Junior
Starting point is 00:07:19 and lucky that you're not locked up. I'm not a Junior and I'm not locked up as you can see here I am. That's why because you didn't get that middle name.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I would have been guys I wouldn't be here with you today. I would be I'm not a junior. And I'm not locked up, as you can see. That's why. Because you didn't get that middle name. I would have been. Guys, I wouldn't be here with you today. I would be. I'd be doing this from the inside. I'd be doing it firsthand. We'd be doing this over a telephone. Yeah, we'd be doing it. Yeah, I would see me through the glass.
Starting point is 00:07:34 You'd just hear like. We'd be doing it firsthand. I just talked to this guy. He's in the cell block with me. This is his deal. So his mother, Diana. Now, his mother, Diana, too. His father's Scottish. His father's scottish his
Starting point is 00:07:46 mom's full-blooded american indian oh native american so diana named diana so uh yeah she is um she talks a lot about that later but okay his mother called him a bright child but a sneaky one of course he was now she would know sneaky because she, when Tommy was a small child, was acquitted of murder in the stabbing death of a woman. You know you're white trash when your fucking mother is on trial for murder. She's knifing folks. Not even of your dad. No. Just some lady she knew.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Some random broad. I just pictured this in a bar somewhere in Oklahoma. I wish she would have said something like she was a square broad. She's a square broad, this one. Let's see. He was a square broad. She's a square broad, this one. Let's see. He had a crazy childhood. Now, this is about 13 is when things... Now, things have been a mess up until 13,
Starting point is 00:08:31 but now this is when Tommy kind of branches out into his own craziness. 69. 69. So he claims to have lost his virginity at 13. Now, this comes up big, all the sex stuff with him, so that's why I'm bringing this up, otherwise I really don't care when these people are fucking, but to a 17 year old babysitter. Oh boy. So that's
Starting point is 00:08:51 I mean, although a 13 year old boy is happy dream, it's also pretty much borderline abuse also. That's right. That's sort of sexual abuse. She's like a senior in high school, he's in the 8th grade, that's a little weird. But fantastic for a 13 year old. Presumably she was a girl, I assume. He didn't say anything otherwise. At this point, at 13, I don't know if this stoked up the fires of manhood in him,
Starting point is 00:09:15 but he drops out of school for a year at this point in Jay, Oklahoma. He's like, I don't need it. I don't need it. I'm getting post-DL ready. He knows something about me. I'm just feeling more worldly right now. This school thing. I can't answer the homeroom teacher i gotta sit at home and sip scotch they say morrison tommy and he goes i like your ass honey that's for homeroom it just didn't work out he's like i have to leave i don't know what happened to me so uh hell of a set of tits on you he goes to live with his dad for a year which stable environment that's where you want to be the alcoholic the piece of shit out of people. He works construction jobs with his dad at 13. Wow.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Yeah, that's miserable. Also does collection work. In Arkansas. In Arkansas and Oklahoma. And a telemarketer, too. Shit, he wishes he was a telemarketer, this guy. It would have gone better. Well, he's running around roughing people up at 8,
Starting point is 00:10:02 so debt collecting is right up his alley. That's what he does. He is for his father's friends and what he, for what he called, I guess his father and his father's friends were like collectors and he would work with them for what he called Irish gangsters. Irish gangsters in Oklahoma are a bit misplaced. But apparently someone's got to do the gangstering. Somebody's car broke down.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Someone has to do the gangstering in the area. And, you know, it was an open, open market. Said that, he said that his father and him, they got along well at work. You know, everything was fine when they were beating the shit out of other people. Right. But then when they get home, his father would beat him with, quote, whatever was nearby when he got angry. So his father continued to be abusive at this point. On his crime spree here, we're going to do an in their own words on Tommy's time in crime here
Starting point is 00:10:45 with his father. In their own words, quote, There was a time I used to think that being in a faction of an organized crime situation was cool. You say to someone,
Starting point is 00:10:56 here's the deal. You owe me this much money. What do you plan on doing? You better get on top of your behavior because if you don't, I'm not responsible for what's going to happen to you. I didn't always have to be the one to do it.
Starting point is 00:11:08 I just informed them of where they live, where they hang out, who their friends are, or where their kids are. Yeesh. That's what he's doing. Throwing the kids in there. Yeah, so he's doing a 13. Yeah. He's a nice guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:17 A real nice guy. I know where your kids play. I've seen them over there at the park. I've seen them. They're fine. Yeah. I don't know if Tim Jr. wasn't involved in this situation. Yeah, yeah what happened i think tim jr was hanging out with mom still tim figured it out somehow tim didn't figure shit out we'll get into tim later tim did not figure a whole lot out at
Starting point is 00:11:35 all actually he had a he was worse he had his own problems yeah he had his own serious serious problem he had to work through being named after a guy that beats the shit out of his family exactly here's when things get we don't know exactly what happens here, because he claims one thing, and I've actually seen one article where a friend of his at the time, who was friends with him when he was 13, claims that he's witnessed this also. But he claims to have gotten a fake ID at this point. He's 13 years old. Claims he used his brother's ID.
Starting point is 00:12:02 He said, I look a lot like my older brother so I used his card that was his thing to say he was 21 so he could fight in tough man competitions at 13 years old at 13 now guys
Starting point is 00:12:12 if you don't remember tough man competitions because it's kind of like an 80s 90s thing and also too I don't know how they had them outside of the rest
Starting point is 00:12:18 of the world but basically this was a picture MMA but with unskilled people and like no gloves and they were wearing like jeans and shit right and just you ever seen once again i'll bring it up no holds barred with hogan it's that basically it's just people beating the living piss out of each other
Starting point is 00:12:35 it was like you know it's like old irish boxing ron from the forgery he's you know from the foundry he's gonna come up and he comes up how you doing that's what it was like a fat guy grizzled this butter bean came out of the tough man competitions that's what we're
Starting point is 00:12:49 talking about he was the king of tough man I got arrested for stealing that video game for Sega in uh
Starting point is 00:12:53 Jesus Christ that's not worth it 93 fuck man have some priorities I know god that's not worth it I was 12
Starting point is 00:13:00 what do you want from me it's just not worth it dude pick up like Madden 93 or something you know what I mean that would have been much better.
Starting point is 00:13:06 I got a lot more enjoyment out of it. I jammed it in my pants and got arrested as I left the store because they watched us do it on camera. So you have a tough man in your pants. Yeah. Claims he only lost one fight out of 21 in the tough man thing. I can imagine that. And his friend said he was beating the shit out of 35-year-old men who were, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:21 tough guys. But this is a 13-year-old that's already hardened. He's been trained since he was eight by his father yeah and then he's out there building the railroad or some shit with whatever they're constructing yeah i mean but we don't know this can't be proven there's no records of it and they're not going to say yeah we love a 13 year old box so it's one of those things where even the fluff pieces that they do on him over the years and there's plenty of them even the fluff pieces say he claims to fight in tough mag competition. But we have one witness. He did it.
Starting point is 00:13:50 We'll say he did it because it wasn't like he was claiming to be tough and he's not, as we'll get into. In 1988, this is when he gets into boxing. Now, in high school, he played basketball. He played football also. He played basketball. He played football also. He was offered a scholarship at Emporia State University in Kansas, played tight end and linebacker. But instead he picked boxing, okay, because in his senior year, still in his senior year in high school,
Starting point is 00:14:21 he won the Kansas City Golden Gloves regional heavyweight title in a tournament, which was against a guy named Donald Ellis. And that advanced him to the National Golden Gloves in Omaha, Nebraska, and he lost a split decision there. All right. So, I mean, he didn't have that much experience at this point. At 19 years old, though, he was picked to go play collegiate football. Yeah. That's incredible.
Starting point is 00:14:37 In Korea State, it's like Division 12 or something. Still, it's pretty amazing. I wasn't picked. No, still, he did something. He was 6'2". He was 6'2", 230-ish in his prime of his career. That's a great tailback. He was a tight end linebacker.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Oh, really? He could roam. But the problem was he wasn't that fast. And even in the ring in the beginning, everybody's first thoughts on him when he first started boxing was, he's a big, slow, fucking white guy, basically. I mean, this is a white guy. He's a big, white heavyweight.
Starting point is 00:15:01 In the NFL in that time, though, that's what the tight ends were. White, slow fucks. And that's why Shannon Sharp was amazing. Yeah, exactly. There was like three tight ends. Because he was fast. Keith Jackson or whatever. And then Tony G. Yeah, came along later. There was few that were fast enough that could do it. It was like you wanted a
Starting point is 00:15:19 Mark Bavaro back then as a guy who dropped his shoulder. Drop his shoulder into a linebacker's chest or take a free safety's hat off. Yeah, so at this point, 1988 he goes to the Western Olympic Trials. Now this is the trials for the sole Olympics in 88.
Starting point is 00:15:36 So if he had made it, he would have been in the same Olympics if he had made it as Evangelos Goussis. Wow. Isn't that amazing? That's incredible. Trying to box in the 88 at the same time the same i think evangelos gooses was a middleweight but they would have been like in the same hat because they would have spoke english at least that's incredible hanging out talking to each other probably so i think that's hilarious comparing their gangster shit
Starting point is 00:15:56 comparing their gangster shit because at this point both of them had done some gangster shit that's the funny part both of them were rough and fucks up for money this is a very similar story that goes in a different direction. It goes in a very American white trash direction. This story is slathered in Miracle Lip, guys. I love it. So he wins this tournament in Omaha, Nebraska. He wins the heavyweight title of this tournament
Starting point is 00:16:17 and wins the tournament's most outstanding fighter title. So this is great. Two weeks later, he has the next olympic trial round in concord california loses a split decision to ray mercer oh wow ray mercer you're a boxing fan you've heard of ray mercer and ray mercer will come up later on in tommy morrison's boxing career also and also ray mercer went on to win um to win a gold at the solo olympics too so he was so. So Tommy lost to the guy that was going to win gold. He lost to the guy who won the gold. In a split decision.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Yeah. He didn't get knocked out. No, no, split decision. So he probably could have gotten gold too. There's no shame in this. You know what I mean? There isn't any shame in that. So far.
Starting point is 00:16:54 So far there's no shame. Tommy has much shame. It's coming up right around the corner. Okay, here we go. November 10th, 1988. Yeah. We have his first pro fight. He fights William Muhammad in New York City first round knockout
Starting point is 00:17:08 wow all of his early fights he's just knocking the shit out of people they're putting him up against tomato cans there's a quote from his manager about we want to display his punching power basically three weeks later he's fighting again first round knockout versus a guy named
Starting point is 00:17:24 Tony Duar in Detroit first's fighting again first round knockout versus a guy named tony duar in detroit first five fights for first round knockouts wow so i mean they're putting him up hard guys that are like half blind probably and you know but his punch is not he'll knock your ass out yeah he'll knock your ass out he's got a very good left hook he compares his left hook his manager keeps comparing his left hook to uh jack dempsey and to joe frazier and joe frazier don't compare a left hook to Joe Frazier. He'll take your head off. Yes. And he fucking fought
Starting point is 00:17:48 Muhammad Ali valiantly. Jack Dempsey was a white guy from the 20s. That's probably a little more accurate. By age 19, 1988, he has two sons at this point from two different women already.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Wow. So he's getting around. He's fucking like crazy. Fucking like crazy. Doesn't marry either one of them. And this is where... And not pulling out. Not pulling out. His his mother told him warned him of the big city when he left because he went to kansas city to train and that was to for all of this and that's
Starting point is 00:18:14 the big city that's the big city to that okay she warned him of this guy fucks his way through kansas city like you wouldn't believe later on um now 1989 he's really coming along he's like 15 and 0 at the point that at this point there's an article in august 23rd of 1989 and bill hold on he is 19 and has two children two two different women oh my god has no interest in either one of them proceed no interest in either one of these kids or marrying these women or anything like that that my friends, is overseas. It's the definition of white trash. Grew up in a trailer.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Got beat by his parents. Work construction at 13. 19 years old. Has two children with two different women. And it doesn't stop. And he didn't pay any attention to all they did. When they came out of the womb, he slathered them in miracle whipping and handed them back to the mother and left. Signed the birth certificate and took off.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Took the fuck off. So from this article in 89, Bill Caton was Tommy Morrison's manager. And he was also Mike Tyson's manager at this time. Now, I guess Tyson and Caton weren't getting along. Tyson tried to get out of his contract and Caton wouldn't let him and he was legally bound to this contract
Starting point is 00:19:22 for two more years, Mike Tyson was. So Caton is talking openly about in two years when tyson leaves me i want this kid to be the next heavyweight champ he's saying this kid can beat tyson yeah you know i want the fight basically he wants the fight is what he wants i don't know if he can beat him the money he wants a big yeah handsome white guy yeah to fight mike tyson on pay-per-view and make a shitload of money. Because that's a big thing. That's a big elephant in the room here with boxing. Right. Okay?
Starting point is 00:19:49 Promoters will put forth, and you can say what you want, whatever with races, but promoters want white boxers. They do. They want to get white people to watch and go like, oh, maybe I'll root for this guy. Right. So whenever there's a white heavyweight, call him the great white hope yep every time and he's usually not as good as we've made him out to be he's too slow and he ends up getting the shit knocked out of him by a great fighter that's what happens you can beat everybody else when you get to that top level guy
Starting point is 00:20:18 they can't be that you're jerry cooney's guys like that and that's and who's that guy that took the pizza to the chin after mcneely mcneely yeah that's what i mean and peter mcneely was a tough son of a bitch he's not gonna beat mike tyson no mike tyson's a world-class fucking boxer i mean peter mcneely was a tough guy with heavy hands and a tough jaw right that was it tommy morrison didn't have the chin either he was a glass-jawed motherfucker as we'll see soon um caton said that he has a natural net relapse. Like I said, it reminds him of Dempsey, reminds him of Frazier, which is a little... He said about him, quote, We're bringing Tommy along slowly.
Starting point is 00:20:52 Our objective is to give Tommy a challenge to let him display his punching power without any real risk. We want him to win every minute of every round. In a year, we'll start fighting ranked opponents. And he said that was the same thing that they did with Tyson early in his career. Gotcha. That's how you bring along a heavyweight. You get his confidence up. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:08 You get his skills up while he just basically practices on potted plants with boxing trunks on. And fucking, yeah, you're just putting, you're taping gloves to a heavy bag. That's pretty much what you're doing. And pretending that he's fighting. Watch the Tyson's first 20 fights, like, on YouTube. Yeah. It's him looking like some guy, the janitor, came into the ring, and Tyson just decided to fucking bash him in the head and knock him through the ropes.
Starting point is 00:21:30 It's ridiculous. He would say later, like I said, he sees them fighting in 92. That's when he sees the big Tommy Morris and Mike Tyson fight. And he said it would be bigger than the Super Bowl, the World Series. He said it would be astronomical. It would gross $200 million, which in 1992 is a fuckload of money. In 2016, that's crazy money. Something to gross that then would be like saying it's going to gross a billion dollars,
Starting point is 00:21:53 especially on pay-per-view because not everyone had access to pay-per-view like they do now. There's a Cox box or cable TV box that you had to buy. A lot of people then still had to go down to the cable company and pick up a box when they wanted to get a pay-per-view. They had to rent the box for the weekend. And you had to go down there or make a call and say, I want this. You couldn't just click it. No, no, no. You'd have to say, I want this, which would have been really difficult for pornography at that moment in time. I really, I need, I need Zesty Latina Mama Seeders volume 12. I have to get it now. Please. Zesty Mamacitas.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Zesty Latina Mamacitas Volume 12, Jimmy. So at this point, we have an in their own words from this article when he's 15 and 0. And he's still like a humble kid at this point, at least in public. In their own words, quote, I've learned a lot. I obviously need to improve even more. But I see myself as an up and coming fighter who will be a threat to the heavyweight champion someday. So just like Gooses' quotes in the beginning, he's just like, hey, you know what, I'm a good fighter, but I got a lot to learn. I'm a nice, humble guy. Come watch me fight. So
Starting point is 00:22:53 July 12, 1989, I'm sorry, Stallone sees him fight around July of 1980 at some point. Now Caton had been pushing Stallone because Rocky V was being cast at this point. This is Sylvester Stallone. Sylvester Stallone. Thank you, Jimmy. He doesn't really box, by the way. He doesn't really box. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:11 So Sylvester Stallone watches this, and at this point, they're casting for Rocky V. Now, the Rocky franchise, obviously, is enormous. It's ridiculous. It's huge. So this is a big deal. You're casting for Rocky V. Caten had been sending Stallone tapes of tommy boxing like this is the guy you want because the role was for sylvester stallone's rocky's protege in the movie
Starting point is 00:23:32 basically it's the guy that's going to take on the role of rocky in later films and rocky's co-signing on his success so yeah he wants to build him up he's trying to do this uh he pitches him so stallone calls tommy in to get into a read and he likes him and he casts him as tommy gun right call him tommy quote machine gun right character tommy the machine gun machine gun and uh he says this is stallone sylvester stallone's quote on time this is our first episode where we've had a movie stars quote on one of our athletes you want me to to do it? This is pretty funny. You want to do a Salone? Go ahead, knock yourself.
Starting point is 00:24:09 I'm the Italian guy from New York here, and he's going to do a Salone. Tommy was just what I was looking for. That's terrible. Get out of here. I was trying so hard. Tommy was just what I was looking for. He was perfect to play the part of Rocky's alter ego. I don't think he'll have a problem with the acting. And he'll do well in the fight scenes because, after all, he's a fighter, you know?
Starting point is 00:24:34 He's a very good fighter. That's brain damage to Lana. I was doing Rocky V Rocky, by the way, because he's brain damaged. Tommy, you know know that's the whole fucking movie if you watch the movie it really is bad it's so bad says some really really robotic shit and then son goes hey tommy you know i don't know hey tommy come on he tried so hard to pretend to pretend to have a bashed brain he should have just played himself straight because he sounds like he has a bash brain anyway.
Starting point is 00:25:06 It really does. I mean, he's really into it too. I mean, he takes a little time off boxing here. He's like fucking 19-0 or something at this point with the 18 knockout. He's killing it. He takes a little time off. They have a cool thing. This would be neat if you're a guy like this.
Starting point is 00:25:22 February 9th, 1990, Philadelphia Civic Arena. They have 10, 1990, Philadelphia Civic Arena. They have 10,000 extras come to film the fight scene where Tommy wins the title in Rocky V. Spoiler alert if you haven't seen that utter pile of shit from 26 years ago. So, you know, they come and watch him fight the villain, Union Cain. 10,000 fucking extras. Hey, it's Philly and Rocky. Extras usually make about $100 a day.
Starting point is 00:25:44 You're looking at $100,000 that they spent. It's. Extras usually make about $100 a day. Oh, yeah. You're looking at $100,000 that they spent. It's a big scene. $100,000? It's the big scene where Rocky's sitting in his basement watching a fight. Because it's such a cinematic way to watch it. A guy sitting alone in his shitty Philadelphia basement. With some sort of brain cloud that he's got going on.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Yeah, he's like, I'm going to get Tommy. You were much better at that than I am. So, anyway. And also, too, I thought it was funny kevin rooney played his trainer you know kevin yeah yeah he's a famous boxing trainer he played his trainer in the movie i remember seeing him like is that tyson's old trainer like up there so i mean he he's on tommy in their own words he says of rocky five once again humble you know what i mean he's things are going he's He's in Hollywood and he's still humble. He's coming up. Think about this.
Starting point is 00:26:27 What the American dream this is. He's coming up. He comes from shit trailer park. His dad beats him. He's working construction. His mom's stabbing people. Holy shit. Just a mess.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Quit it. Comes from that to now he's a rising athletic star, which is royalty in America. The only thing even more royal is a movie star. Right. Now he's being a movie star too which is royalty in America the only thing even more royal is a movie star so now he's being a movie star too and there he is there and he's still humble
Starting point is 00:26:50 life is going so well Jimmy for now because it's not going to stay that way how much pipe is he laying right now too oh that's the
Starting point is 00:26:55 I got a great quote from him where he is just like it's everywhere he is Wilt Chamberlain with boxing gloves on so here's his quote on Rocky V
Starting point is 00:27:04 quote I understand I'm being presented with an opportunity that comes along once in a lifetime I understand is Wilt Chamberlain with boxing gloves on. So here's his quote on Rocky V. Quote, I understand I'm being presented with an opportunity that comes along once in a lifetime. I understand there are a million fighters out there who would kill to be
Starting point is 00:27:11 in my position. It all comes down to this. Can I fight? Yes, I know I can. Can I act? Well, I guess people will see for themselves when Rocky V comes out.
Starting point is 00:27:20 But I feel pretty good about it. I think I'll do alright. Nice confident young man. I've seen it, sir. You did not do alright. He did not do alright. Nice confident young man. I've seen it, sir. You did not do alright. He did not do alright. No. And neither did the movie, actually.
Starting point is 00:27:29 It came out in November of 1990. It was the 32nd highest grossing film of 1990 domestically. Wow. Right behind 31 was Gremlins 2 The New Batch. Oh my god. That's where you can really test. That's a litmus test. If you're below Gremlins 2 The New Batch, batch yeah you probably that's when they introduced the female gremlin with like
Starting point is 00:27:50 the lipstick and shit i saw like young guns 2 and robocop 2 was right there too it's a lot like now young guns 2 wasn't too bad it wasn't no it actually wasn't i don't think i don't fucking remember the same thing 30 second 30 second of the year it's 41 million domestic it did it's the worst grossing rocky movie yeah out of all of them out of all seven now with the two new ones um got a 28 on rotten tomatoes quality of the fucking film and tommy morrison was terrible i mean he's an athlete that never acted before so for that i guess he's not bad but i mean everything's just like i want to talk to you i want to talk to you rocky come here i want to talk like it's all very like robotic i remember the confrontation scene in an alley where he's carrying like a duffel bag that's the only thing
Starting point is 00:28:32 i remember from the movie and i like when he knocks out paulie yeah it's pretty funny and when when uh stallone's sitting why are you trying to hit me that was stallone's answer too why are you trying to hit me you're good at that i regret so much going back and snatching that card from you. I just wish I would have let you roll with it. Hey, what the fuck. Anyway, well, it's all good. So he's living high on this, man. He is living high.
Starting point is 00:28:58 We get to October 91. He's 28 and 0. He's a movie star. I mean, his movie has been out for a year he's fucking living the life he has every line in the world to say to a trick in a bar oh god forget about it then his boxing career in atlantic city on october 18th 91 he loses by tko to ray mercer from the olympics trials and ray mercer was a tough guy loses by tko it was a tough match ray was just a tough son of a bitch and And Tommy thought,
Starting point is 00:29:25 you know, he thought well, but Ray was, he just had an iron jaw. Yeah. He was one of these guys Ray Mertz did that. He could take a punch.
Starting point is 00:29:31 He'd just keep coming at you. And that wears people down after a while. And it always does. So he gets back in right away though. I mean, next,
Starting point is 00:29:38 within the next year and a half he is, because they want a title shot for this guy. They're like, we need a fight with a big white guy. Big, long, blonde locks.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Let's make some money off this shit, man. Movie star. Everyone knows who he is. Chiseled face. Yeah, so either like him or hate him. Either way, you're going to want to watch him either win or get his ass kicked. So he's scheduled. It's exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:29:57 They want him on. He's the Raiders of boxing. It's the Yankees. It's the Cowboys. It's the Patriots. It's every fucking big thing that has all this hype. Maybe Manchester United I think is a good
Starting point is 00:30:07 soccer team I would assume so I'm trying guys fucking Arsenal I don't know I am studying my soccer because we get a lot more English
Starting point is 00:30:12 UK people Australian people and I need to know this shit for you guys Arsenal's another one right? am I right? I think it is
Starting point is 00:30:18 I think it is next soccer episode we do I'm going to have my shit together Real Madrid I'm fucking killing it right now
Starting point is 00:30:23 we're going to take a class man I'm telling you so he's scheduled to fight June 7th, 1993 in Las Vegas against George Foreman. That's a big fight. Yeah, we all know George Foreman, especially at that time. I got a great grill because of that fat fuck. That's what I mean. We all know George Foreman. He fucking fought Muhammad Ali back in the day. This is for the vacant WBO world Heavyweight title. This is a title
Starting point is 00:30:45 fight. And he says of the title fight with Foreman, in their own words, quote, if I don't win,
Starting point is 00:30:52 people will throw me in the heap with Dwayne Bobbitt, Jerry Quarry, and Jerry Cooney. As a white fighter,
Starting point is 00:30:56 you get twice as much criticism. You have to prove more than the black or Hispanic fighters. Maybe,
Starting point is 00:31:02 but you also have to be half as talented to get the fucking big fights. That's the difference of that. You know what I mean? They go, as talented to get the fucking big fights. That's the difference of that. You know what I mean? They go, well, he's kind of shitty and that guy's better, but no one wants to watch that guy fight. They want to watch the big blonde guy fight.
Starting point is 00:31:13 So that's that. And of the white part of it, his mom takes exception to this later because she's like, he's only half white. I'm a fucking Indian. Why don't we call him the great Indian hope? What the fuck? Like she's upset about it. it it's hilarious she had quotes from her later so he would maybe if you would have offered him more dna because this man looks fucking irish he looks extremely so white he really is he's pale as fuck yeah chill chiseled ass face though and big blonde mullet he's up yeah he's as white as it fucking gets he comes back from jet skiing at the fucking at the lake at the end of the day. He's pink as can be. In an O'Neill shirt. In his O'Neill shirt.
Starting point is 00:31:47 He's super white. His sunglasses backwards on his neck. Maybe he can drink a shitload of beer, but he's still fucking white. He can drink a ton of beer. You know, a lot of his drinking. So he wins a unanimous decision against George Foreman. Because you couldn't knock George Foreman out back then.
Starting point is 00:32:02 He just would... You got to work him in a corner until the bell rings. rang I saw the Holyfield fight with him and Holyfield just beat him for fucking 12 rounds and he just just kept taking it just kept he didn't even sit in the corner he wouldn't sit he just think he can get back up oh is that right literally yeah because that was when he was older too so I don't think my knees will just lock up my legs will cramp he said I need to stand so you just see him sit standing in the car I've never seen a fighter stand in the corner against the rope so he was fighter stand in the corner. Lean against the ropes. That's what he was doing. Leaning on the ropes to come back out. But Tommy hung in there and he fought him.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And ended up winning. He ended up winning it. So Tommy's the damn world champion now. Yeah. It's June of 1993. Tommy is, what, 24 years old? Yeah. On top of the goddamn world. Yeah. I mean, couldn't be better.
Starting point is 00:32:40 He did in his sport what the Phoenix Suns could not do in their sport. Exactly. They could never pull it off. So now in Juneune all sorts of fluff pieces are coming of course and they're coming out with the rags to riches the story of his childhood and they're they're glossing over some of the nastier things they're just saying he fought in tough man competitions and his mom has a tattoo of a boxing glove on her saying shit like that you know the family it was kind of unstable and they moved around but they're not like, you know, Dad beat him constantly, and Mom stabbed a woman. Dad beat him constantly following in his father's footsteps.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Yeah, so this one I saw is all about his nice relationship with his mother. It starts off with the reporter saying how, you know, he was, like, hanging out with them, and the mother was fixing him a nice country breakfast and saying Tommy loves his country breakfast, and he needs needs a sausage and like he's just a just a needs that white gravy on them biscuits it's it's leave it to beaver trailer park edition that's all it is um yeah his mom was pissed at the great white hope thing she did not like that unbelievable now at this point in this article they're telling talking about how like he goes downtown because
Starting point is 00:33:43 this is in jay oklahoma so he went he goes downtown. This is in Jay, Oklahoma. So he went downtown and got out of the car and he basically had to stand on the corner. They had one traffic light in the whole town. And he'd stand on the corner by the traffic light and all the people lined up for autographs and to swarm him. Like in the Rocky movie. Yeah. When Rocky would go to the street and all the kids would... That's what they said. That's Philly.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yeah. This is just... This is Jay, Oklahoma. People coming out of their pickup trucks going, I think that's Tommy Moore. Is that that damn boxer? I've seen him on the TV. I'm going to go. I'm going to talk to that boy.
Starting point is 00:34:11 I'm going to get his autograph. That's what I'm going to do. Honey, Helen, take a picture, would you? Would you sign this potato? Would you sign this potato? It's a fresh pic. God damn it. Middle America is going to fucking hate us for this.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Let me spit on this titer. Never call us racists, by the way. We will rip anybody. Anybody and anything, because this is, I don't give a fuck. They're talking about possible parades for him in town. Like, they're trying to figure out the parade route. All six fire trucks are going to fucking form a line. I saw the one, the only thing the mayor said,
Starting point is 00:34:39 the only thing to think about is what route we're going to take. There's one fucking traffic light. Take that route down that road with the traffic light. will see the town is four blocks long there's a big banner hanging up when you go into town that says well done tommy oh boy i mean like he is the hero of the town uh he uh former teacher i saw his fluff piece saying what a smart kid he was and he's not like a mean guy and the fighting just just comes from skill. How the fuck would you know? He dropped out at 13. Oh, no, he went back. Oh, that's right.
Starting point is 00:35:07 He said he must come from skill. And he's very coachable. So he's not a mean guy. And he would try to avoid fights in school. They're making him right now, at this point, he's just made to be the nicest guy in the world. You know what I mean? He's banging every woman in town.
Starting point is 00:35:24 I'm not saying that because I'm being sexist or whatever. He is. The man is doing it. Later on, he talks about this point in his career
Starting point is 00:35:31 and he called sex, quote, a part of my conditioning program. Holy shit. He said it was like weightlifting or running. He said he had sex with, an astronomical number of women.
Starting point is 00:35:41 Wow. Here is his quote on that. It's my cardio. Yeah, well, this is his quote in their own words. Tommy Morrison on sex. Here is his quote on that. It's my cardio. Yeah, well, this is his quote in their own words. Tommy Morrison on sex.
Starting point is 00:35:48 He says, quote, Sex became a part of my conditioning program. I'm serious. It was all the time. Three different women a day for seven or eight years. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Do the math on that shit. That's thousands. 1,500. 7,000. It's a lot. It's two grand a year. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's a lot. That's a whole lot of fucking Yeah, that's what I mean. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:36:05 That's a whole lot of fucking... That is a lot. For seven or eight years. Imagine how many illegitimate kids he has running around trailer parks right now. It's got to be ridiculous. I mean, honestly. The women were like, I don't know whose it is, and they blamed it on Dale, the guy down at the bar. They banged three times in his truck rather than once.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I know he did it. I know he did it. I'll just blame Dale. It's easier to get... I know where he is. I'll just forget child support for a minute. That's what it is, man. I swear to God.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Unbelievable. Now, weird thing. October 29, 1993, he loses in the first round. Loses his title to a guy named Michael Bent, who was not a big contender. Just like he got stunned. One of those times, this is when his glass jaw image came into effect. Yeah, because it was a TKO. The ref stopped the fight.
Starting point is 00:36:45 It was, you know, the guy was on him. So that's an odd thing. So, I mean, now... It's like in the NFL when you look past an opponent. That's all he did. He was just like, this motherfucker, I've got to go through him to get to whoever. It's Buster Douglas with Mike Tyson. It's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:37:00 So, you know, right now, still on top of the world. He lost his title. He'll go get it back, whatever. He'll get a rematch. He knows he's still a star. It doesn't matter. He's a movie star. Things are going good.
Starting point is 00:37:09 He can't leave well enough alone and be happy with this. Because on December 7, 1993, he's in a restaurant in Iowa City near the University of Iowa. He punches a 20-year-old kid in the face at this point. Wow. He said the kid was staring at him. What year is this? This is 93, December 7, 1993. He's 24 years old. Yeah. he said the kid was staring at him what year is this this is 93 december 7th 1993 24 years old yeah he says the kid was staring at him there was two kids and
Starting point is 00:37:30 their dates you know two couples sitting there he said they were staring a kid was staring at him so yeah he's trying to figure out how the fuck he knows you or he's going that's time he gone he's yeah they they were basically the the this happens at 2 19 in the morning too so it's probably lit up classified drunk police sergeant craig lee's here we go i love when i'm quoting police sources that's when shit's getting good here said that uh he hit the man from behind this is his quote he said this is a police sergeant's quote here he said quote it was a sucker punch he taps the guy in the side of the head then knocks him clear out of the booth the kid never saw him coming the kid had been
Starting point is 00:38:05 looking at him and saying hey isn't that guy from the movie Rocky 5 wow yeah that's who it is when you're in a movie
Starting point is 00:38:11 and you're a heavyweight champion people go I think I recognize and they look at you also too you're humongous which is another
Starting point is 00:38:16 fucking thing and everything you own says Tommy on it in giant letters he's probably wearing a shirt that says it across the chest he always is
Starting point is 00:38:23 later on when he goes to jail they keep mentioning how he's in court with a big Tommy shirt. I don't know if he was wearing Tommy Hilfiger. He's like,
Starting point is 00:38:29 I can't get my own shit made by now. Let's buy some like Ross Tommy Hilfiger that comes to the fucking market. So I mean, this is what he's doing here. He punches this kid.
Starting point is 00:38:37 By that logic, I saw Tom Chambers once when I was drunk. Yeah. Don't stare at him. And I was so drunk that I didn't have the ability to say,
Starting point is 00:38:46 oh my god, that's Tom Chambers. He just walked into a bar and i i just drunkenly with my mouth open just pointed oh god tommy morrison pointed him as he walked by and he just like gave me a weird look tommy morrison would have pummeled you unmercifully for that unmercifully i'd still be swollen so he pleads guilty and pays about three hundred dollars in fines this, even though he denies the allegations. He said the guy started it and it was self-defense. I just want to get rid of this one. Some college kid's going to start a fight with the heavyweight champ of the world, obviously. That's what I would do.
Starting point is 00:39:13 He's charged with public intoxication and assault. Whatever. He gets off on nothing. Because at this point, he's still got a pretty clean record. Everything's fine. May 1994. Boxing's progressing. But also in lenexa kansas a woman files a lawsuit against tommy when he allegedly knocked her off a bar stool in a bar because
Starting point is 00:39:33 she's staring at him probably she was don't stare at tommy morrison guys i'm telling you police investigate no charges are filed she sues him i think it's settled for some small amount out of court somewhere. It's probably gave her a grand and said go your way. Here's 500 bucks. Go back to the bar and get yourself hammered.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Buy your bar tab. Open up a tab here. So I mean it's little things. Nothing major. He's on the straight and narrow. He's back on the path until June 19th, 1994.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Now Tommy at this point there was an altercation earlier in the night that one of Tommy's friends was involved in. Tommy not involved in it. He's above the fray. He's being smart, right?
Starting point is 00:40:08 I've already had two run-ins. I don't want a third. Don't want a third, right? He goes to the police station to bond out his friend. He'll bail his friend out. Goes out, pays the bond. When he leaves, as he's coming, didn't even get to the steps yet of the police station,
Starting point is 00:40:22 he runs into another man who is also from this altercation decides to punch him and knock him down the stairs in front of several police officers who were saying the best place to break a crime is out front of a police station apparently not because he walked out he punched a guy they cuffed him brought him right back inside actually sir it's this way yeah and so your boy can go his way but you go this way so now his friend's gonna turn right back around it's like a chinese fire drill of bailouts here he's gonna go in and bail him out fucking ridiculous racist term i swear to god it is i can hear jack benny music playing in the background fucking benny hill benny hill jack benny you know what i'm talking about
Starting point is 00:41:03 you're gackety sax playing in the fucking background. All this is happening. I want to see the surveillance footage and speed it up. He goes in, bails a guy out, comes out, punches a guy. That guy goes back in, bails him out. They come out together. The guy rolls down the stairs, gets back up. The guy who he punched ended up didn't want to press charges,
Starting point is 00:41:23 said he'd seek medical attention on his own. That was nice. At least he's a man about it. I mean, apparently they were arguing. I probably deserved that shit. Yeah, he probably called him a name, didn't think the champ would punch him, and he did. He's charged with a solid, ends up getting dropped, whatever. So he moves to Tulsa in 94. He's like, I gotta get away from this
Starting point is 00:41:38 temptation of Kansas City. Kansas City's too much for this guy to handle. The barbecue and the women, boy, he can't take it anymore. The Royals games are just too exhilarating for him. Too many 50-gallon drums sawed in half with fresh slabs of meat on them. Absolutely. But he's still going to Kansas City to train.
Starting point is 00:41:54 And a fight occurs. That was that fight was in Kansas City. And this is coming up to bigger fights that he's starting to get into. And his promoter is pissed off in this one article. His promoter is just like, he was threatening to cancel the fight. He was telling Tommy, if you don't get your shit together, I'm going to cancel the fight. Because if you're going to court all the time and getting arrested and knocking women off bar stools and beating up college students for looking at you, it's hard to train, really, to get ready for a fight.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Save those punches for Mr. Bent. Yeah, that's what happens. Michael Bent happens when that shit happens. That yeah that's what happens it's Mr. Michael Bent happens when that shit happens when you that makes sense when you don't train right
Starting point is 00:42:28 so he said quote you can't babysit Tommy there comes a point where Tommy has to take care of himself truer words have never been god damn spoken guys
Starting point is 00:42:36 this guy is not a silver haired middle aged white man he's still put but he's like hey listen dickhead I'm not putting up with your shit
Starting point is 00:42:42 like you were the he doesn't even have a belt at this point so it's like come on asshole he's a star I, listen, dickhead, I'm not putting up with your shit. You were the champ. He doesn't even have a belt at this point. So it's like, come on, asshole. He's a star. I'm not silver-haired yet, but one day I will be. I may as well just be your white man now. So he gets back on track for a minute.
Starting point is 00:42:53 June 10, 1995, Kansas City, Missouri. He wins the vacant IBC title with a sixth-round TKO against Donovan Razor Ruddock. Remember Razor Ruddock? Yeah. Razor Ruddock was a good fighter. Yeah, a great fighter. He fought a couple with Tyson. He always fought Tyson hard, too. He always fought Tyson really, really tough, Razor Ruddock. Remember Razor Ruddock? Yeah. Razor Ruddock was a good fighter. Yeah, a great fighter. He fought a couple with Tyson. He always fought Tyson hard, too.
Starting point is 00:43:07 He always fought Tyson really, really tough, Razor Ruddock. So I always look at that in the early 90s. It's a great goddamn name. Razor Ruddock. So badass. Razor's the best boxing name.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Well, there's a couple terrible names later on, and this one's a great boxer. Yeah, it's like Razor Ramon, the wrestler. Yeah, yeah. The best fucking names. Donovan Razor Ruddock,
Starting point is 00:43:24 which they probably stole from Razor Ruddock. Ah, so badass. Which they probably stole from Razor Ruddock because he was around before that. WWF isn't exactly original. WWE, whatever. So, yeah, he wins the title. Beautiful, right? He's champ again. His next fight is set for October 7th, 1995 against Lennox Lewis.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Our... Britain. Our Brit... Yeah. Our large African-American... Clean cut, yeah. English-american the first black guy into american homes that when he opened his mouth we were like what the fuck yeah i'd like to see what people in middle america thought when he's they probably oh my god they're like you gotta be what no
Starting point is 00:43:56 he's playing a trick on us he's just saying crumpet i saw robert townsend do that doing stand-up one time he's full of shit shit, this guy. He ain't doing that. That Rodney Dangerfield special in 87. I don't trust this guy. So he fights Lennox Lewis in Atlantic City. Lennox Lewis, as we know, will be heavyweight champ for a while later. This is when he's still up and coming. Loses a six-round TKO to Lennox Lewis.
Starting point is 00:44:19 And Lennox beat his ass. He went six rounds with Lennox Lewis. Lennox Lewis was 6'4", 6'6"? 6'6". He's a big guy. He was a monster. Tommy always looked big, but Lennox was bigger. And Lennox Lewis. Lennox Lewis was 6'4", 6'6"? 6'6". He's a big guy. Oh, Jesus, he was a monster. He's bigger than Tommy. Tommy always looked big, but Lennox is bigger.
Starting point is 00:44:28 And Lennox had a great, Lennox is just a great, he's a great boxer. He probably outmeasured him in every category. That's the thing, when you're a great boxer like that
Starting point is 00:44:35 and you're bigger than everyone, you just win. You've got reach and power and technique. In boxing, if all else is equal,
Starting point is 00:44:42 you take size. That's the way it is. Unless it's Mike Tyson and all bets are off. All bets are off. All bets are off when you've got a guy who can take your head off like that. Get in close and take a punch and deliver a powerhouse of a combo. Yeah, so now he's feeling down, obviously. He's in Jay, Oklahoma on October 15, 1995.
Starting point is 00:45:00 He's feeling a little down. And much like his father, he decides to take that out on the mother of his kid here. Two counts of misdemeanor assault and battery. He's accused of punching his son's mother, Tammy. Tammy Witt is her name. In the face. And then biting her friend. That is an awesome J. Oklahoma name.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Tammy. Tammy. Tammy. Tammy. Get your ass in here. Tammy, get out the trailer now. Damn it. I said, come out here so I can smack you and bite your friend.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Ding, ding. Get in here. Where's your friend? I'm going to bite her. Can't think of anything trashier to do. Like that, yeah, he's literally beating his son's mother. They were never married. You don't get, this is his white trash that you get.
Starting point is 00:45:39 This is baby three at minimum. This is his white trash. No, this is one of the other sons. One of the other two? This is his five-year-old son's mother. Okay. So, yeah, this is one of the other one of the other five-year-old son's mother okay so yeah this is the one of the tammy from earlier here yeah white trash pulling her out in jay oklahoma not only her her friend too yes for good measure i'll i'll fucking bite
Starting point is 00:45:55 her i don't care i don't give a shit so i don't care at all he faces 90 days in jail and a 500 dollar fine done with this he's released on1,000 bond. His lawyer says we deny all the allegations. We certainly want this resolved as quickly as possible so he can get back to his boxing career. Jesus. Damn it, that's what's important here. It's his boxing career. Not that you're punching women in the face outside of the rally. And biting broad.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Yeah, it's ridiculous. So, he's trying to make a comeback. He's got a warm-up fight here. They're talking about fights with Tyson. They're talking about fights with Tyson. They're talking about, obviously, getting a rematch with Lennox Lewis, maybe, or whoever. But the Tyson fight's still been in the air for like five years now. And everybody wants to see that. He needs to hurry the fuck up because he's running out of time here.
Starting point is 00:46:37 So he's got to do some warm-up fights. So 95, he's got to fight with Arthur Stormy Weathers. Jesus Christ. How clever. We go from the best boxing nickname there is to the worst one. Absolutely. Stormy Weathers. Jesus Christ. How clever. We go from the best boxing nickname there is to the worst one. Absolutely. Stormy Weathers.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Jesus Christ. I picture him like sadly half bald. You know, just like a sad looking man. Patchy. Looking like Tommy's taping his goddamn gloves on. I mean, he's taping his hands, getting ready to fight. And his manager comes in and says,
Starting point is 00:47:02 you just tested positive for HIV. No fight. No fightmmy's like we talked about that's a yeah no problem he's doing calisthenics yeah he's like i know that's funny he thought he was gonna fight that night still fights cancel no shit's over you you got fucking you remember didn't haven't you heard of magic johnson you got the beast you're in trouble so you know he's trying to get back into this. They want him to take all these other tests. He's supposed to take a test in February 1996 and shows up late and then refuses to give a sample. So they suspend him. The commission suspends him.
Starting point is 00:47:36 He's not allowed to box basically anywhere in the U.S. at this point. God, no. That's the safety concern, sir. And this is the mid-'90s, too, so we really were very scared of AIDS at this point. Everyone was shit-faced paranoid of AIDS. You punch a man in the face while you're bleeding, that man's possibly dead. Yeah, especially the rubbing thing. Yeah, they're in huggins.
Starting point is 00:47:53 There's a lot of membrane action and stuff like that, so, I mean, it's a big deal. It's terrifying. Yeah, they wouldn't let, well, they let, but at first, Magic Johnson, they didn't want to play basketball. No. And that's a sport where if you have a nosebleed, they pull you out until it stops. So it's way different. He somehow, the next month, still pushes through, gets a fight to go in Japan.
Starting point is 00:48:12 He fights a guy named Marcus Road in Japan. Japan will let you do anything. Yeah, they don't care. They're just a famous Tommy Morrison. Oh, Rocky V, and then they put him in there. That was it. You know? That's all they did.
Starting point is 00:48:23 I swear to God. him in there that was it you know it's all they did i swear to god now also in 96 basic state of the tommy union at this point so he's got his he's got his hiv and all this he has been married three times at this point twice to the same woman and in 1996 at during a time he was married to both of them at the same time. Once again, you do not get any more white fucking trash than that. Good lord.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Those weddings were absolutely sponsored by Budweiser. The only way that could be more white trash is if they lived in like adjacent trailers.
Starting point is 00:48:56 Like, that's Tammy 1 and that's Tammy 2. It's not even like trailer trailer that's like stationary and like is there. This is trailers
Starting point is 00:49:04 with the wheels still attached. Oh yeah. It's like a and like is there. This is trailers with the wheels still attached. Oh yeah. And just like it's like a silver airstream. They put like the indoor outdoor carpet around the wheels or on the outside
Starting point is 00:49:12 so it looks like it's there. Looks like grass. He's a nudnik and an idiot and he's a guy in his mid-twenties jacked up on and also too he's roided to fuck too.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Oh I'm sure. I mean he admits later he's roided to fuck so I mean he's a little aggressive we'll put it. Like the kid in the bar he's like that kid's looking at me and he's all roided up and he wants to go punch him. He could have got He's a little aggressive, we'll put it. Like the kid in the bar. He was like, that kid's looking at me.
Starting point is 00:49:25 And he's all right up and he wants to go punch him. He could have got it from that, too. And 24 years old, too. Well, he kind of dispels that rumor and says what he's doing here. So he is not boxing at this point. He can't box. He's not allowed to box at this point. He's July 16, 1998.
Starting point is 00:49:43 He's pulled over in broken arrow oklahoma jesus when he's seen running a red light in his jeep cherokee running a red light with the gas nozzle and hose from the gas station dragging this is five miles in a cherokee and broken arrow oklahoma and he's half indian it's a pretty good clue that that person behind that car is this is five miles from the gas station. In a Cherokee and Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Yeah, very stereotypical. And he's half Indian. It's a pretty good clue that that person behind that car is drunk. He just ran a red light, and I think that's the gas nozzle I'm hearing about.
Starting point is 00:50:13 From the gas station five miles back. Oh, my God, he drove for five miles. Five miles. He didn't notice this shit. And the fucking check engine light didn't come on for the gas cap not being sealed. He didn't give a shit. This is while he's
Starting point is 00:50:25 appealing something too because he had another drunk driving thing and he's appealing also pulled over on suspicion of being elderly jesus christ he's appealing yeah basically yeah they thought they were like he's either a hundred or this is either a hundred year old chinese woman street crime which is highly american and then he knocks up two fucking separate women doesn't marry them has kids doesn't pay attention to them beats the women his mom stabs somebody becomes icon of american culture a goddamn heavyweight champion of the world and a movie star only to be completely blinded by the hubris and lunacy of his own stupidity, and fucking get, fuck everything that moves and get AIDS
Starting point is 00:51:10 and not get into the car without drinking something. God bless America. And jamming some illicit substance in the fucking glove box. Oh, say can you see? And in this one even more american because does all this gets caught for all this does he say it's his fuck no blames it on his friend in a fucking chevrolet too that's beautiful in a corvette a fucking shitty dumb fuck american sports car that sucks and there are good american sports cars that's not one of, now they are, but not in the 90s.
Starting point is 00:51:46 They still suck the dick in the 90s. Fiberglass fucking body. Holy shit. This is the most American fucking stuff. From nothing to the top and just putting yourself into the toilet again. Right back to nothing. Fucking A, God bless America.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Fucking flushing your whole career down a plastic toilet in a fucking single one. A plastic jail toilet that someone was just making wine and fucking awful so he uh he says of this incident he said that he gave the corvette to his friend right to go put a new stereo in it yeah that's his excuse like he gave it to the friend friend took it put stereo in it he went to pick it up yeah uh it was driving it home got pulled over i don't know where the cocaine and the weed came from that's not mine that's his he must have left it in my car because when i get someone else's car i like to put a bunch of drugs in it and then forget about them he may have just forgotten because he was probably stoned he was
Starting point is 00:52:37 real stoned so he says the gun is his yeah he's a collector yeah and he likes to have guns so he i'm pretty much he always has a gun when he gets arrested, even though he's never allowed to have one. Not allowed to have one. Never. But he doesn't give a shit. Not allowed to have cocaine either. Not really a fucking concern for him. I'd rather go to jail for the gun than the coke.
Starting point is 00:52:52 He did nothing wrong. It's ridiculous. He posts a $3,500 bond. You know, as the bonds keep going up. He's got some dough stuff. $500, this, that. Well, yeah, he's still got cash at this point. Because, I mean, he, like the Lennox Lewis fight he lost, I know he made like $2.5 million off of that.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Good grief. He was making the Foreman fight. And he's living in jail, Oklahoma. Rocky, he's living in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. And, you know, who knows? He's probably still got, actually with the AIDS, I don't know what I was going to say. He's probably like doing like a poster for a health food store.
Starting point is 00:53:18 But you're not going to put a guy with HIV on it. He's not treating that shit. No. So he's not spending money on that. Definitely not. So, yeah, $3,500 bond. I just love how the bonds keep yeah he's charged with cocaine possession with intent to distribute possession
Starting point is 00:53:30 of marijuana dui driving under the influence of drugs simultaneous possession of gun and drugs careless driving refusing a drug test and driving without insurance wow that's that's running the gauntlet yeah i can't believe his taillights worked. I can't believe he didn't run from the cops. Well, okay. All right. Jesus Christ. Funny you should say that, Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Let's get to Thanksgiving night, 1999. November the 26th in Huntsville, Arkansas. Oof. Yuck. Tommy's arrested for public intoxication and gun possession when running from a car accident of course also had some weed on him uh he wasn't driving no the driver was whatever he got in a car accident he ran away into the woods he just takes off into the woods there's now he's gotten every charge other than murder they find him an hour later of course in a nearby house
Starting point is 00:54:22 making phone calls with still with his fucking weed and gun on him. He had 20,000 phone numbers of women he can call. Apparently there was multiple guns, too. So they basically think he picked up all the guns and bolted through the woods. Jesus. Is how it worked. That's a tough run. That's a tough run.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Now, this is a waiting trial for the one we just talked about. So he's out on bond for that. Fucking bond gets revoked obviously bail revoked in arkansas for the cocaine deal uh he'll uh and also to this is december 21st 1999 merry christmas tommy jesus uh the judge also wants him to undergo a psychological evaluation i would to test his competency at this point because holy fuck um now december 24th 99 this is also why they want to test his competency. While he's in jail in Fayetteville,
Starting point is 00:55:07 his lawyer, John Hudson, requests that the court test Tommy medically to see if his HIV has developed into full-blown AIDS because he said he's seen huge recent changes in his mental and physical condition. He's basically... I mean, he's doing crazy shit. He's doing stupid shit.
Starting point is 00:55:23 He's erratic as fuck. I think this is more drugs than AIDS at this very point, just based on his actions. But it's probably a combination. It is, it is. Because, I mean, the weight loss, even Tommy puts it on meth later. Really? He says, well, I was doing a lot of meth then.
Starting point is 00:55:37 So, yeah, I kind of lost some weight. Not because he's trying to deny AIDS. He'll say anything to say that he doesn't have AIDS. He'll be like, AIDS? No, no, it's meth. No, I just do a lot of meth. That's not AIDS. Unbelievable. In this day and age, you don't say, I'd much't have AIDS. He'll be like, AIDS? No, no, it's meth. No, I just do a lot of meth. That's not AIDS. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:55:47 In this day and age, you don't say, I'd much rather have AIDS than say I'm doing meth. Absolutely. January 6, 2000, he pleads innocent to public intoxication and possession of marijuana, this whole thing. Good grief. Trial set for February 10. January 14, 2000, he pleads guilty to the variety of charges from the pullover with the corvette
Starting point is 00:56:06 stereo deal uh he gets he is sentenced before he's sentenced he uh judge william story yes has a little word for him and it's just it's just kind of it's gorgeous it's beautiful because it's not he's not even admonishing him he's just just being like, I'm just, this is just pathetic. He says, quote, William Story, judge, says, quote, your situation is terribly sad. In many respects, you had it made financially and now you've squandered it all
Starting point is 00:56:35 with your involvement with drugs. I hope you've learned your lesson. You, sir, may fuck off. Ten years in prison. Holy shit. Eight suspended, though. That's nice of them. Still two years in prison. Holy shit. Eight suspended, though. That's nice of them. Still two years in prison.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Still two years in an Arkansas prison, which doesn't sound pleasant at all. Arkansas prison, those two words together sound like farm. Now, the family, yeah, you're working outside. Now, the family at this point, because they're so white trash, he's in jail in Arkansas, and his brother, Tim Jr., is serving 15 years in missouri for rape wow yeah they taught a lot of respect for women in that family which is good so this is this family is just what a disaster they are a fucking mess man um you can take him out of a trailer you can take the boy out of the trailer park that's all it is it's unreal
Starting point is 00:57:21 you can't take it out of him and he and he's trying to make right here with his after the sentence here there's a quote from him in their own words quote god put me in jail to wake me up i made a promise to my wife and to god that if i ever ever put another drug in my body that wasn't prescribed by a doctor that god would take me out of this world so apparently this is this is god he is God. He's found religion. He's found religion. He's always claimed to be Christian. Really?
Starting point is 00:57:48 But now he's making God's demons. Super religious to bang 20,000 women in eight years. Yeah, I think Judge William Story was the one that fucking said, I'm going to take him out of this world. It has nothing to do with God. Judge William Story's my Christ. So, I mean, now he's in fucking prison. Okay, so two kids kids they never see their
Starting point is 00:58:06 fucking dad that's a mess wives beating this one that one brothers raping people nibbled on there's a fuck i mean think about the like the the ripple effect yeah of this family out into the world white trash pebble into that white trash pond he's gone he's fucking yeah he's gone from heavyweight champ to movie star to guy with AIDS. I mean, it's a mess. And now he's in prison with AIDS. You can't get worse than that. I'm in prison.
Starting point is 00:58:30 No, that sucks. Can't get any worse, I guess. Oh, wait. Yeah, I forgot I had AIDS. That's the other problem. I have HIV pretty aggressively. So, I mean, there's nothing good happening. No.
Starting point is 00:58:39 I mean, everyone in this story, the people he's... Even him. I feel bad, Jimmy, for all of these people. But not, just not nearly as bad as I feel for Tommy Morrison, an insurance agent for State Farm in Houston, Texas. His name is Tommy! Tommy Morrison of Knolls Fry Realty, Inc. in Alexandria, Louisiana. Tommy Morrison, a second-term senator
Starting point is 00:59:05 from Guam. Holy shit. Fucking, this man was elected to office. Tommy Morrison, if Tommy Morrison traveled to Guam, he would travel in London.
Starting point is 00:59:12 The UK, you're not getting away from Scott Free either. And Tommy Morrison, the American race car driver who actually has a career in athletics. And he figured it out
Starting point is 00:59:21 somehow. He's like, it's not me. I don't have AIDS. How many women did not fuck him because they looked up tommy morrison athlete on google and they were oh he's got a never mind he's a single man driving race cars through middle america chicks in short shorts are throwing their poo to him and then she fucking the farmer's daughter's like tommy
Starting point is 00:59:40 morrison googling fuck that fuck him why won't anybody talk to me can't even benefit from my fame now this is when he starts really going off this is when he starts having theories tommy about his aids now he's a doctor yeah now before he was just like i don't have it now he's like let me let me google the thing or two let me work some science on you i have some theories here in the year 2000 he uh connected hiv to his steroid injections but yeah said he's never shared a needle and never used a dirty needle all right so that's impossible okay well he has an explanation he just shot that theory right the fuck out of the water not really because his theory he's got a really sound medical theory for this um i'm sure all the doctors were
Starting point is 01:00:26 taking notes when he said this one uh this is in 2000 on his hiv in their own words in their own insane fucking words quote i didn't get it sexually hiv is just a piece of dead skin that's all it is every time you pierce yourself with a needle you are putting the microbes in your body these little pieces of dead skin that's exactly how I got it fuck is he talking about what the fuck are you talking about HIV is a fucking virus that's what the V stands for
Starting point is 01:00:58 dead skin unbelievable so it's not even a disease it's a piece of dead skin my body is just trying to flush this skin out. That's insane. Not only that, at this point too, he was alternating between this
Starting point is 01:01:12 and then saying that it's a conspiracy and the boxing world didn't want him in there. The boxing world wanted him in there more than anybody. They benefited hugely with you. They wanted him so bad. They needed him so bad. They needed a big fucking stupid white contender
Starting point is 01:01:25 that since then they put every Russian and fucking Bulgarian and whoever else they could find in the ring. They're like, he's white enough. Let him in there.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Let him fucking fight a black guy so white people will bet on him, please. Klitschko was one of them, right? Yeah, yeah. The Klitschkos, there's a couple of Klitschkos.
Starting point is 01:01:38 They're brothers. So, I mean, at this point, yeah, he's fucking, wow. What an insane fucking theory. It's so crazy. And this is what he keeps doing.
Starting point is 01:01:47 And there's articles in there. Half the articles are like, oh, poor Tommy Morrison. He's crazy. Like, he's sick and he's crazy and we all feel bad. And some of the articles were like, hey, give Tommy Morrison a chance here. Let's listen to him. Oh, God. And they were like, listen, there's a doctor.
Starting point is 01:01:59 There's one doctor in Tanzania that says that maybe the blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, dude, what are you talking? Stop encouraging this fucking guy. Tell him to get treatment. And in 2000, it was well known. Yeah, guess what? Well known. Magic Johnson had HIV, got lots of treatment, and now he's a fat baseball team owner.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Fucking he's fine. Get treatment. And Charlie Sheen has it right now. Yeah. And his count is way low because he's got a bunch of money to treat it too. And he went through a phase of money to treat it too. And he went through a phase like this too of denial, Charlie Sheen, where he was seeing some doctor who was like not licensed in the US. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:31 He was seeing him in Mexico. Right. Doing all this horseshit. Getting some fucking crank fucking medicine. And now he's going, oh, that guy's crazy. Yeah. And he's suing him and shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Because he's nuts. So he says, you know, he's complaining through an article in 2000 while he's in jail. Yeah. It's like a fluff piece while he's in jail. Like this poor guy, basically, because he's got AIDS and they talk about his mom in it again. His mom keeps coming back and forth. That's lunacy. He's complaining.
Starting point is 01:02:54 He's like, it's stupid to make me do rehab in prison. Yeah, I used meth and weed and stuff, but I was never an addict. I shouldn't have to go to rehab. He's also mad at the prison officials for not letting him put a tv vcr and a laptop in his cell i'm in here i need my laptop i got email a check i have to tape fraser later i have a lot of things going your freedom is gone sir and he's also pissed because he offered to donate a six thousand dollar weightlifting machine to the prison gym and they told him he was not allowed to do it of course not no because then he could whatever the right yeah there's a lot of reasons
Starting point is 01:03:28 why you're not allowed to give gifts to the prison when you fucking are in the prison the one that you live in you moron yeah so he um it's a conflict of interest then you then they everybody thinks you're getting special preferential treatment absolutely for your six thousand dollar gift so he gets uh he does his, as he puts it, 14 months, 8 days, 6 hours and 46 minutes. He has no fucking idea. He didn't have a stopwatch going.
Starting point is 01:03:54 He did that just to seem like I've been counting the minutes. Sounds like he's just singing the tune from Rent and everybody in that fucking thing has AIDS too. Jesus Christ. He's released in early 2001. He remarries one of the Dons. The second Don.
Starting point is 01:04:09 He remarries her. She's an idiot. Who gives a shit which Don it was at this point. Yeah. Whatever. So he's out. He's doing fine. So 2002, you know, he's trying to get back on track.
Starting point is 01:04:20 Post 9-11. Post 9-11. And the only thing you can do, really, is get another DUI in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Oh, my God. He is sentenced on April 3, 2002, for this little incident. He's sentenced to a year in prison. And they give him a time served for another thing that he had years ago.
Starting point is 01:04:37 And it's like, what do you do? I think, honestly, I think they feel bad for him because he's got fucking HIV. That's really what it is. And I don't think also, too, because it might be expensive to care for him if he gets sick in what it is. And I don't think also too because it might be expensive to care for him if he gets sick in there. And they don't want to fucking put their
Starting point is 01:04:48 prisoners in danger. Yeah. I think it's a money thing. It's amazing like hey we gotta take care of this fucking guy. If he gets sick we gotta clean anything
Starting point is 01:04:56 he touches like three times. So I mean that's a mess. So he has some quiet years where he just had a couple of minor scrapes but nothing big. In 2006 he comes out and he wants to box again he hasn't boxed in 10 years yeah he wants to box he's claiming i don't have hiv anymore i get tests all the time they come back
Starting point is 01:05:17 negative i have nothing i never even had it to begin with uh says if he did have it it's fine because he cured it with eating right and exercise. It's fucking HIV. You can't cure shit. You can't cure bronchitis with exercise and nutrition. It doesn't work like that. It's not an ear infection. You can't just wait it out.
Starting point is 01:05:39 But he wants to fight again. He says that he is getting in shape and he could be the heavyweight champ of the world if he got the chance. Yeah, because nobody wants to fight you. Absolutely. He said, I will the heavyweight champ of the world if he got the chance yeah because nobody wants to fight you absolutely he said i will be heavyweight champion of the damn world that's how believable nope nothing gets in my way you've seen me my whole life i don't do shit i beat aids motherfucker i have willed aids away from my body punched aids out of me he said uh and about why he's taking this road to his treatment he says this is his in their own words in 2006 about his AIDS here, about his HIV. He said, quote, God spoke to me and told me not to take it.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Don't take the medication. I tell people that. God told me, and they look at me like I'm from another planet. It's like they don't believe God's in the business of miracles anymore. What the fuck? How could they not just believe it? I told them. It's a fucking miracle from god
Starting point is 01:06:25 dipshit don't you believe it's been in the business for years you guys uh miracle god hello he patented the shit fucking complete idiot so he actually somehow gets a fight going gets to fight on february so they, obviously, and his numbers were low enough? Well, it's in West Virginia. Okay. And somewhere called the Mountaineer Casino. All right. Enough said. In Chester, West Virginia.
Starting point is 01:06:53 They clearly don't give a fuck. Yeah, he TKO's some John Castle, some fucking bombing TKO's here. It's probably some local coal miner that they stuck out there. But, I mean, he, before the fight, he says, bottom line is we passed every test on the market even ones that aren't on the market this tells me i never even had it unbelievable he's just like i don't know what the fuck you people are doing but i have never had it he has locked me up and blackballed me for nothing so when's my title fight yeah like he's like so
Starting point is 01:07:18 where's tyson this silly last 10 years let's get tyson in the ring here he must still be boxing right who knows i don't know he nibbling on ears yet i don't think he was in 2006 no june 9th 2007 he fights in uh cliff castle casino in camp verde arizona holy shit yeah that's where he is in a shithole mountain casino this isn't even a boxing match jimmy he even said he's doing because he needs the money this is a altered rules m style match. Oh my God. They're allowed to kick and punch. Who has the balls to get in the ring with him? Some guy who needed the money worse than he did. That's all I can fucking imagine.
Starting point is 01:07:52 That's hilarious. They were like, yeah, I'm going to go up to the casino and fight the guy with HIV. No, no, it's not even with gloves. We're just going to... Just fucking bare knuckle. He's allowed to bite me, I think. I'm not sure. So, yeah, this is very interesting.
Starting point is 01:08:06 He gets another actual boxing match going in February 9th of 2008. I don't know how he's finding these people. Fights a guy named Matt Weirshar in Mexico. TKOs him in round three. Jesus. He's not going to be the champ, homie. No, God, no. You're TKOing no names in other countries.
Starting point is 01:08:24 Talking about Weirshaw in mexico yeah so and that's and that's the last he actually boxes they don't let him box anymore after that i'm just starting to get so nervous i know i don't want that jesus stop i don't want him fighting finishes his career 48 48 wins three losses one draw 42 knockouts god that's impressive so he's got a really impressive career record that's not bad at all. I mean, you've got to give the guy credit for that. He could fight. I mean, most of those were bums, but still, he was knocking the shit out of them.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Unbelievable. In June of 2009, he moves to Wichita, Kansas. He wants to be a part of the Tommy Morrison Children's Foundation. I don't want him anywhere near kids at this point. Not because of the hiv either just because he's a fucking yeah and uh he said he wants it to become a home for terminally sick kids that's his goal which is really nice stay the fuck out really really really nice of him he's doing great work jimmy i think he's turning around yeah you know what tommy he's on the path
Starting point is 01:09:20 i'm sorry for everything i said about oh wait. Oh, wait, no. On March 4th, 2010, he's arrested for felony-controlled substance. God damn it. Yeah, he's got some... Maybe he was trying to treat those kids with some marijuana. I think so. He's got a bunch of weed and some pipes and shit. This is outside of a fitness club where he was just hanging out in his car. That's how you get fit.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Yeah, they called the cops because they're like some weird guy sitting in his car hanging out. He said he would sit in there and read the Bible and meditate. That's what he did in his car. Also smoked some weed, apparently. So he's held on a $50,000 bond this time. Wow, that one's steep. This is a little much. He lists no savings or property on his papers.
Starting point is 01:09:59 No savings, no property, no nothing. Basically, he just says, but he also does not want a public defender he said he'll get his own fucking lawyer so he's got money for a lawyer somehow but he's got nothing no other money right so i don't know what he's going to do there um what a fucking mess man so now he marries trisha this crazy british woman who is enabling his insanity yeah at this from this point on she's as bad as's as bad as he is. She... Wow. Okay, we'll get into her.
Starting point is 01:10:26 She's a British woman that left England to move here, to move to fucking middle America. To move to middle America. She's a lunatic. To marry, yeah, a guy...
Starting point is 01:10:33 To move to Tornado Alley with that fucking humidity. With fucking... And some dude that has AIDS. With fucking... Yeah, white trash, king shit of fuck mountain. This guy is a fucking mess.
Starting point is 01:10:44 So, yeah, it's terrible so he's at this point now 2011 you know he's got a wife now everything's fine not fine gets pulled over outside of emporia kansas god damn it again the college uh at 8 40 p.m kansas uh highway patrolman pulled him over said uh you know he was weaving, acting like a general fucking dipshittery. Pulls him over, says there's a bag with a little over a quarter, like eight grams of weed, sitting in plain sight. Like, he's not even putting it away now. He's just leaving it out. There it is.
Starting point is 01:11:18 This is Kansas. Can we go to jail now? This isn't Colorado or Washington. No. This is Kansas. Put your fucking weed away. That should be on the sign. Welcome kansas put your weed away keep your weed off the front seat try to hide it at least try to hide your weed thanks guys so make us use a dog oh my goodness so yeah
Starting point is 01:11:36 there's that that ends up he ends up getting that dropped somehow there's some kind of who knows if they pull them over for who the fuck knows but they just said you know what you're a disaster get out of my court i can't even look at you anymore get out of my state the judge did it like a frustrated mother when they're just like i i i can't even look at you anymore just go to your room i just i just need a break i just the judges needed a glass of wine yeah says that typical get out of my sight yeah exactly now at point, he's doing articles being so cocky about his AIDS. He's like, I don't have HIV. This is the stupidest thing I ever want.
Starting point is 01:12:10 And even if I did, it's not contracted. It's not sexual. And I don't have it anyway. He's sitting there laughing, eating a meal with this reporter with his wife, Tricia, going, we have unprotected sex every day. Oh, my God. He said, we're wild. We have unprotected sex every day.
Starting point is 01:12:24 You British people are brave as fuck. You people of shit people shit man with this hiv stuff i don't even know what you're talking about like literally like we don't even we ignore that shit that's just nothing that is just no big deal you know what i mean it's hey there ain't nothing who doesn't have unprotected sex that shit clears my sinuses he's only had it for fucking what 12 years 15 years now 15 i'm sure it's dissipated it's gone away now don't worry about it so um and she's like yeah it's so silly he doesn't have hiv she refuses to say that he has hiv also she keeps this up too even as he gets sicker trisha's wife he got it said that he had a tick bite on his chest that got infected. And so he had to have like some gauze on there
Starting point is 01:13:06 and the gauze was on for too long and he got some sort of toxic shock. Which then he had to go in the hospital. He had some infection with a feeding tube.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Dude, shit that happens when you have AIDS. AIDS, yeah. AIDS does that to you. Snowballs. Things snowball. One little thing, infection spread.
Starting point is 01:13:21 When you have AIDS, you get the common cold and you fucking die. Yeah, and well,, infections too. Your body cannot fight it. They can't fight off infections. So when you have a tick bite, it turns into a fucking surgery. He ends up having like five surgeries to fix all sorts of different shit. Still claims at this point that the test didn't say he had HIV though. He's just, you know, who knows what he's got here. So I mean, this goes on with him saying articles. And there are articles up in the last week of August 2013.
Starting point is 01:13:52 There's articles saying, like, Tommy's fooled them all. Like, they all think he has AIDS and he doesn't have HIV. This is ridiculous. Nobody's buying it? No, people were buying it. What are you saying? They were like, you know, there's articles literally late august 2013 saying that tommy is fine and you know it's a big age like articles like tommy morrison and the hiv conspiracy like
Starting point is 01:14:14 nobody's buying that he's got aids because i bought it a fucking hook line from the beginning and especially now with his illnesses yeah and his mother came out and said the last three years of his life his mother said he had full-blown AIDS. Yeah. And that he was dying of fucking full-blown AIDS. And that he was very sick and he was basically withering away. And Tommy would come out
Starting point is 01:14:35 when an article like that would come out and his mom likes him too. His mom loves him. Tommy would come out and go, that's complete garbage. I had an injury from this and that and that's what happened. Like, he would dispute everything, man. Wow. I mean mean like i said august of 2013 to august 26th i think one of the articles
Starting point is 01:14:50 was where it was just like you know listen to tommy for once yeah it was one of those and then september 1st 2013 he dies literally a week later when he was saying how healthy he was like i am the picture of health yeah Yeah. HIV ridiculous. In my prime, I'm getting back into boxing. Literally, he was like, I'm just mad I'm a little too old to box. Like, otherwise, I'm just doing well. And he dies from a cardiac arrest from multiple organ failure due
Starting point is 01:15:16 to septic shock due to this long medical term that I'm not going to bore you with, but it's basically shit you get when you have AIDS. Like, your body falls apart, and this turns into this turns into this turns into this, and then you die. That's how it works get when you have AIDS. Like your body falls apart, and this turns into this, and this turns into this, and then you die.
Starting point is 01:15:28 That's how it works. So he dies on September 1st, 2013. Unbelievable. That's sad. I mean, what is he, 44? It's 44 years old. 54. 54.
Starting point is 01:15:38 No, 44. Jesus Christ. Math is good. 44 years old? I mean, fuck, man. That's young. 69 to 2013. That's 44 years. That's fuck man that's young 60 69 to 2013 that's 44 that's it man that's wow i mean and his wife this is how batshit his wife is too that is so fucking sad isn't it sad
Starting point is 01:15:54 i mean the guy could have had everything a lot i mean think about the guys who are i mean most of the ex-heavyweight champions i mean he did have everything in his terms because all he wanted was just a bag full of pussy. And he had it. Bag full of pussy and money. He chased it. Yeah. And that was his problem. That was his problem and his downfall.
Starting point is 01:16:13 You fucking wear a rubber, you guys. What the? It's everywhere. Just do it. Why are you not? Especially then, too, like I said, the fear. Like, nowadays it's messed up because now we know statistically that like for a guy to have unprotected sex with a woman yeah chances are
Starting point is 01:16:29 super low that you'll actually get it right if even if they have it like it's still super low so now people are getting cocky about it back then it was like you were early 90s people were scared terrified shitless of hiv it was like oh my god that guy has hiv and he sneezed on that four days ago and my arm touches it i could get it like people were freaking the fuck out they didn't know and right so his wife is so crazy that she's saying no funeral there's no because he didn't want a funeral but she's gonna have like a send his ashes around to different people that he respected what show other people literally she said that he's going to be cremated
Starting point is 01:17:05 and bits of his ashes would be put in little boxing gloves and given to people to show. She wanted to have a tour, like King Tut went around and did a museum tour. That's what she wanted. It's like a little AIDS bomb you can throw at somebody. Here's my Tommy Morrison DUI fuck-up glove. Shake it. It's got Tommy Morrison.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Shake it and you can hear the AIDS rattle. Might still be a bone shard in there. Rattle it. I don't know how good their cookers are. So in 2015, you guys can look for this coming out November of this year, November of 2016,
Starting point is 01:17:36 because in 2015, pre-production started on a movie about Tommy Morrison's life called Oklahoma Son. It's going to be a little shitty movie. The budget is 500 grand. So nobody you've ever heard of.
Starting point is 01:17:49 No. And it's going to be just probably on location in Oklahoma. And it's probably not, I mean, who knows. I get a feeling a lot of this is going to be left out.
Starting point is 01:17:57 I have a feeling this is going to, because he was trying, he was always trying to sell his story and all that. So I have a feeling this is going to be
Starting point is 01:18:03 a fluffy movie. Yeah. I think it's going to be very fluffy. It's going to be very nice. And sad.. So I have a feeling this is going to be a fluffy movie. Yeah. I think it's going to be very fluffy. It's going to be very nice. And sad. Right. Poor guy. The end is going to be like a tearjerker.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Big conspiracy against him. He tried so hard and they just wouldn't. They just wouldn't. Bastards. They wouldn't give in those bastards. My God. So finally here we get to his son. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:21 Who is Kenzie Witt Morrison. Uh-huh. Witt is the first woman that beat up Tammy. Fucking Tammy. It was Tammy's boy. Tammy's boy. He is now a boxer. And on June 27, 2016, about a week ago, he won
Starting point is 01:18:36 in a knockout in 2 minutes and 30 seconds into the first round in Tulsa. Good for you. He is 9-0 and 1 with 8 knockouts right now. And no HIV. All signs Good for you. He is 9-0-1 with eight knockouts right now. And no HIV. And all signs point to no HIV. Good for him. We'll see later on.
Starting point is 01:18:52 He was conceived prior. He was conceived prior to the HIV. So, yeah, he was conceived in, what, 89? Tommy was just a kid. Yeah. So there you go. I mean, that's his family legacy he's living on. If you get enough of tommy morrison you need some tommy morrison swag um you can get some really nice pictures of him in the ring at all posters.com for 9.99 awesome also too i saw they auctioned off a bunch of his gloves
Starting point is 01:19:17 uh it was like sets of four gloves i want none of them no what it was from his early matches too they were like from like you know his eighth match and his ninth match. And one set of four gloves sold for $402.62. And if you can't get enough of Tommy Morrison even more, as we speak, and it's still going on, it started, I think, July 1st, there is a live auction to auction off the trunks that he wore in Rocky five the the stars yeah the u.s
Starting point is 01:19:49 flag the american flag trunks yeah the tommy gun trunks and they're autographed by him and that's kind of cool they're valuing it at 800 to 1200 800 to 1200 bucks is what they're trying to get for it get the buy it now price you really really want that it's not on ebay it's on some other live auction site but because it's a little auction or price. So if you really, really want that, it's not on eBay. It's on some other live auction site because it's a little auction that goes on for a while. Some Sotheby's or some shit. So if you really, really can't get enough of Tommy Morrison, I'm telling you, go there. Buy his memorabilia. Memorabilia.
Starting point is 01:20:12 You can remember him. He can live forever in your heart because otherwise he's dead as a fucking doornail. Because the AIDS took his. Dude, I'm telling you, that's like, that story, man. I looked it up and I was like, guys, because I saw Tommy Morrison and he's like a criminal. And I was like, okay, I wonder telling you, that's like, that story, man. I looked it up, and I was like, because I saw Tommy Morrison, and he's like a criminal, and I was like, okay, I wonder what he did. And I saw some charges, and they only breezed over a few charges. So I'm like, I only did a couple things, but let me see what's going on here.
Starting point is 01:20:35 And then I was like, whoa. First of all, he did way more crimes. Second of all, he is way crazier than I could have ever fucking hoped for, ever. I had no idea he was this much of a loser. I had no clue. I knew that he fucked up. I knew that he had AIDS, but I didn't know how bad it for. Ever. I had no idea he was this much of a loser. Neither did I. I had no clue. I knew that he fucked up. I knew that he had AIDS. But I didn't know how bad it is.
Starting point is 01:20:48 No. That's terrible. I had no clue as to the level of insanity, too, that just the wormhole he went down. It may have been the AIDS fucking up his brain, too. Absolutely. It's very, very possible, honestly. He could have had so many problems.
Starting point is 01:21:03 Not to mention he's doing meth, he's doing coke. Just pushing all kinds of shit into him. Yeah. Who knows, man? I mean, honestly, this poor guy. Not even poor guy because he was a mess too. He brought it on himself. He brought it on himself.
Starting point is 01:21:16 I mean, just his upbringing and everything is fucking horrible. And he never really had a chance. His brother turned out to be a rapist too. So it's like that family. If your dad's an alcoholic that beats everybody and then takes off and your mom stabbed the lady you don't have much of a chance acquitted she's acquitted but fuck man what a mess and a disaster and that's tommy morrison guys happy fourth of july weekend happy fourth of july to you uh everyone else now you can feel ember waves of grain patriotic for the American. Purple Mountains Majesty. The American experience here. Sea to shining sea.
Starting point is 01:21:45 Good Lord. AIDS-filled sea to shining AIDS-filled sea. You see that AIDS foam on top of the sea? It warms my heart, Jimmy. Yeah. When I see the HIV flow into the coastline. That's sea foam. I love it.
Starting point is 01:21:58 Nestle up against the sand. Nothing makes me feel better. Feet wrapped in kelp. Let's build an HIV castle. Okay. Get your bucket. Getet wrapped in kelp. Let's build an HIV castle. Get your bucket. Get your bucket, Susie. Write your name in the HIV sand.
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