Crime in Sports - #231 - An All American Mess - The Masochisticness of Kurt Angle

Episode Date: October 27, 2020

This week, we take a look at a very accomplished individual, both in his sport, and at the police station. He was an American hero, an Olympic gold medalist & even WWE & TNA champion.... Unfortunately for him, all that success comes with plenty of tragedy & stupidity. He always has someone trying to sweep it under the rug, but his problems kept on coming. Find out about one of the craziest cocktails of self destruction we've ever heard of! Turn all of your sadness into athletic victories, be one of the most respected wrestlers ever, and take more pills than an elephant could handle with Kurt Angle!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:03:19 shut up and give me murder.com and also patreon patreon's been hot with the episodes it's so much fun i love those episodes and this week we're gonna have a lot of fun because this week on our regular show we have a wrestler which is always some of our most fun episodes obviously dumb shit they do they do yeah there's a certain amount level of crazy yeah and then you add in brain damage and steroid use and everything else into the mix and the wild lifestyle altogether that's the other thing it's a it's a like an 80s rock star lifestyle mixed with like you have to also be jacked it's a weird thing like imagine if like all the guys in poison had to be like jacked to the gills on top of doing what they were doing it would have been it would have been even worse it would have been like these guys so we're going to talk about a wrestler our bonus episode is also going to be wrestling based but
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Starting point is 00:04:37 there was lawsuits that came out of this. There was a sexual things. There was fighting and breaking shit. And imagine an entire, the entire crew of wrestlers flying over it's the story is absolutely bonkers and if you want to hear about it we're going to talk about it this week on patreon patreon.com slash crime and sports anybody over the five dollar level and you get access to all of the bonus stuff all the small town murder bonus stuff which is rarely about murder about small town murder it's usually about some sort of crazy violence
Starting point is 00:05:08 so do all of that check that out and uh and get with us and also jimmy will mispronounce your name at the end of the show so that's also going to be a thing and if you just want to have good karma and get your name mispronounced and just do a one-time donation you can do that over at paypal using our email address crime and sports at gmail.com thank you guys for everything you do everybody out there heroes honestly thank you so much you make it possible to put together crazy shit like this let's get into this jimmy right uh let's do it kurt angle yeah you know kurt angle right i do there you go everybody kind of knows kurt angle because he was an olympic hero is that why before he was a wrestler so even if kurt angle kind of never got into wwe a lot of people knew who he was because he won an olympic
Starting point is 00:05:51 gold medal what do you want for what wrestling really yeah he's a freestyle olympic gold medalist heavyweight wrestler he's like i knew there was wrestling in the olympics but yeah don't think i've ever seen an olympic wrestling because it's boring as balls because there's no fucking showmanship nobody's wearing pink rubber bands Because there's no fucking showmanship. Nobody's wearing pink rubber bands around their eyes. You're not allowed to suplex. There's no vertical suplexes. There's no ropes to come off of.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Nobody's slamming beer cans together and guzzling before a match. It's pretty lame. There's no interviews beforehand. They don't say what they're going to do to the other person, which I miss as well. It's boring. If you guys have ever seen amateur wrestling um you probably only saw it for about 30 seconds and you went nothing else is gonna happen okay never mind the only one that i watch all the way to the end is that kid missing a leg
Starting point is 00:06:34 i'll watch that kid every time i've met that kid by the way yeah he used to he wrestled at asu right yeah it's through it's unbelievable party with him he's a super nice guy real humble cat yeah nice guy he's got one fucking leg does he like snapping one on to walk around or does he just like use crutches really around doing his thing wow yeah he's cool as shit he was watching him wrestle oh he's wild dude yeah yeah guys that i'll watch all day that's different there's got to be something that's different this is not amateur wrestling's not fun to watch it's extremely difficult and it's you know the training and and it's hard as shit for the conditioning.
Starting point is 00:07:08 First of all, is crazy. And then the actual doing it's really hard. It's very technical and skillful. And I get all of that. Timing is everything. Fuck, is it boring to watch? And it is like watching paint dry. And they get that.
Starting point is 00:07:20 If you watch like if you see like a college tournament, there's, you know the kids' parents are there. Nobody's coming to watch that. Like, we're going to the wrestling match tonight. We're going to fucking tailgate that thing. There's never been anybody happier that MMA came around to mask their cauliflower ear. Do you fight MMA? Yes, I definitely do. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Or he just went wrestling through college. That's it. One or the other. He got a free education for college. That's it. One or the other. He got a free education for it. That's true. Well, he did it all, Kurt Angle. So, yeah, he's an Olympic champion. Like, this dude legitimately, this is one guy that we hope not to piss off because if we ever see him, he could tear our bodies in half.
Starting point is 00:07:58 Both of us together at the same time. Like, beat one of us with the other one and then tear us apart. Like a phone book. With his bare hands yeah he's an animal but he was a star too in in the wwe huge star one of the biggest oh absolutely because he was an olympic he's a legit wrestler so you can put him out there and go he can kick giant guy's asses and you go he could yeah fuck that's true i saw him do it i saw him legitimately do that so it was one of those things when somebody would wrestle him, they would have a hint
Starting point is 00:08:25 of, ooh, you know, there's some legitimacy to this. Obviously. This might be real. In the, you know, benefit of the doubt, you know, whatever. Yeah. And then someone comes out and smashes him with a guitar. Right. And you're like, okay, never mind.
Starting point is 00:08:37 It's not real anymore. And it blows up into little confetti pieces when it does it. I love that. And later in wrestling, by the late 90s when they hit somebody with a guitar it was like a balsa wood yeah and it would just explode in the seven guy'd be standing there with just the like a half the neck half the neck with strings sticking off of it at the end you're like no that doesn't happen in the 80s hockey talk about had to do with a guitar it would just there was just a head hole in the guitar plunk that was it a fucking
Starting point is 00:09:05 head hole there was a whole guitar afterwards whoa that hurt like a bitch you get hit with a real guitar it hurts yeah yeah we talked about the jake the snake episode when he hockey talk man hit him and then he blamed his drug use on it even though he was already deep into drug use that comedian that hit a hit a patron with the guitar oh yeah yeah it didn't do what that doesn't wrestling comedians you know that her comedian's dream i know everybody's like yeah i know it's boo but as a comic you're kind of going yeah yeah i've had that night and you've seen that guy you know that guy yeah that there's that guy i just wish i was right there i wish it was a guitar
Starting point is 00:09:45 act that night you just want to take as you're talking you want as you like you know you get a laugh you want to just take the mic slide down to the cord swing that fucking mic whap him in the face with it catch it again and then go into your next fucking joke like steven tyler that's just bang okay and anyway so i was saying yeah just for him, Jesus Christ, with a head wound. You have no idea. So anyway, Kurt Angle, we haven't talked about it at all, but Kurt Stephen Angle is his full name. Excellent. So Kurt with a K, in case you don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:16 He's born December 9th, 1969. He originally, I guess, was living in Dormont, Pennsylvania when he was young. He's got four brothers and a sister. So a lot of kids in this family. A lot of boys, too. That's a lot of testosterone running around. All of them are athletes and wrestlers. That's six total?
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot of brothers and a lot of sisters. Or one sister. But a lot of kids. You lose track of a couple. You lose track. And they're all, like I said, they're all like into sports and wrestling.
Starting point is 00:10:45 So, you know, the boys are like fighting each other all over the living room. Like they don't have a piece of drywall in that house that hasn't had an elbow through it or something in a kid's wrestling match or something. Mom's hair is a mess. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, she's resigned to jeans and t-shirts years ago. She just somehow gets an Italian and New York accent. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:11:04 What are you doing in there? No matter what she is in a short ass jeans. Jesus Christ. Use his bastards. I swear to God. When your father gets home, he's going to kick the shit out of all of you. You're going to patch that. You're going to patch that.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Your father's going to get his baseball bat and he's going to come in there and beat the shit out of all of you. Rending with fucking violence. So his father's name was David Angle, and his father wasn't an athlete, a professional athlete or anything like that. Must have had some athletic stock, though, to pass this all on. But he was a crane operator. There you go. So, yeah, he was a hardworking there you go so yeah he was a hard working son of a western pennsylvania you know hard working you know blue collar guy he uh you
Starting point is 00:11:51 know worked and had a bunch of kids so he had bills to pay mouths to feed imagine all the milk those kids were going through back in the day oh boy when people drank milk by the gallon like those boys were just tearing through the milk i I imagine. It's fucking awful. So Kurt grows up playing football and wrestling, and his dad and his mom are always at the games. His mom's secretary named Jackie. But the family ends up moving in the sixth grade. When Kurt's in the sixth grade, they move to Lebanon, Pennsylvania, and that's where he goes to high school.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Where's that at? Is that close by? I think it's western Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh I think yeah that's uh because he's all about Pittsburgh later on really Mr. Pittsburgh yeah so he's very much into Pittsburgh he wrestles he plays football then when he's 16 there's a bit of an issue Kurt's family I don't know how to put this um is pretty doomed uh the whole clan is just cursed it's all dark oh he's cursed like he's successful but also cursed but he's by far the least cursed of the whole family everyone in this family pretty much is fucking cursed it's it's insane man i love
Starting point is 00:13:03 it like the tragedy kurt by now just he's got to be just a sad guy i don't know how he can go out and do things because of all the things that have happened and all the self-inflicted things that have happened yeah it is a fucking mess that's the worst person to be somebody who's got just like a bad a bad outlook anyway yeah trajectory and then you're a self-saboteur at the same time that's the thing because i mean let's face it genetically and everything else he's been handed a pretty dealt a pretty good hand and we can't deny that he's not exactly what he still had to work really hard but genetically dude's been dealt a good hand not everybody can look like that no matter what they put in their body the ability makes everything yeah you we could jack you up we could
Starting point is 00:13:42 put steroids in you and all this you're still not going not going to be an Olympic freestyle wrestling heavyweight champion that looks like a fucking Greek god. It's not going to happen. Neither am I. It's just not going to work. In two weeks, I'll be fat as shit. That's it. You'll be like, I don't think I'm working out enough.
Starting point is 00:13:53 I don't think I'm working out enough, man. I'm looking all over. I don't look like him for some reason. 10,000 calories is a lot. I'm full. I mean, my balls are shrunken up. I got that part of it, but that's it. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:03 I don't know that I can get to the gym. I need a nap. Yeah, I'm pretty tired, to be honest with you. I got that part of it, but that's it. I don't know that I can get to the gym. I need a nap. Yeah, I'm pretty tired, to be honest with you. I'm so full. I've eaten so much today. Just so much. And those shakes, those are filling. It's like a meal.
Starting point is 00:14:13 That is maybe the most impressive part of a bodybuilder, is how much shit they cram down their throat and still make it to the fucking gym. That's crazy. I've known guys that do that. And you watch them eat, and you're like, first of all, any movement would make me throw up right now and you're 11 chicken breast and now you're gonna go bench press a whole bunch and do squats and shit like what are you doing yeah how are you not throwing up constantly so august of 1985 kurt's 16 years old um we're not quite 16 yet almost 16 he'll be 16 in a couple months. And his father falls out of a 15-foot-high crane and lands on his head. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Yeah. See, that's something that things like that happen. Certain things that happen to Kurt have nothing to do with what he does. They're just tragedies that he has to deal with. And then there's things that happen that he very much could have avoided that he kind of just turns into. He's self-destructive for a while, but not now, obviously. How do you fall from that height on your head? I don't know if it was a...
Starting point is 00:15:12 That sounds like he tried to reach back and then fell awkwardly. That's probably what happened. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he was trying to save himself or something and he fall down. He's skull cracked. Oh, no. He fractured his skull. He still took himself to
Starting point is 00:15:26 the hospital yeah he managed to do that but then he slipped into a coma uh after arriving at the hospital and was in a coma for two days before he died oh jesus yeah so i mean good news your dad's out of the coma right that's the toughest man on earth bad news well he used to be that's the thing yeah he drove himself to the hospital dying it says he walked himself i don't know how he would have done that yeah i don't know if he's close to a hospital that's harder i would think to walk yourself to at least a car you're sitting down yeah you can fucking relax you gotta do things you know i guess you need your move but to walk you gotta yeah it takes a lot of effort either either transportation mode is impressive crack skull and take a nap you're gonna lay down made it about half a block decided to
Starting point is 00:16:09 take a nap or a coma decide to take a little coma on the sidewalk here it's a little one and he died he died god damn it that's terrible yeah for any kid that's bad i mean when your parent dies when you're an adult it's not great but when you're 16 your dad is you know kind of always there comes to all your matches does all your shit with you and you know he's just gone that's a that's a blow man that's that's wild so uh kurt uh puts everything and this is what he always says he does and the results show he puts every every time he has a tragedy he puts everything into whatever athletics he's doing, blocks it all out. Everything goes into that. He's got that ability to be able to focus his energy somewhere.
Starting point is 00:16:52 So he does that. That week he had a really good football game in in in high school. And, you know, he said that it's that that he did it for his dad and all that kind of thing. And he said that it's kind of one of those things where shit that happens this bad maybe made him do things that were great. Things that were terrible, but also things that were great. Channeling that rage. That's the thing. Sometimes it's nice to have that high octane in the fuel tank. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:19 And he says this in his autobiography later. He says, quote, I grew up and overcame my fears the day my father died i vowed right then and there to become a champion to do whatever it took so i don't know i guess that makes sense so you kind of lose your fear maybe from shit some people would be nothing but fear and so it's just different human beings react in a different way here so uh he gets better though here in 11th grade he places third in the heavyweight class at the Pennsylvania AAA Interscholastic Athletic Association Championships. Good Lord. Holy fuck, is that a lot of words.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Why would you name it that? It's just too much. Pennsylvania AAAs. Yeah. There you go. Done. It's perfect. It's wrestling.
Starting point is 00:18:00 It doesn't even say it's wrestling. Wrestling. Interscholastic Athletic Association Championships? For the love of Christ. So anyway, so anyway he places a sue him for that we tow cars we don't wrestle kids we don't wrestle i mean we will for a price there's a gold package that includes kid wrestling but you you gotta pay extra for that there's the roadside assistance and the tire package and the windshield and all that kind of thing and then there's the kid wrestling package much more expensive so in 12th grade he was the pennsylvania heavyweight wrestling champion of wrestling okay so not bad the state of the state yeah and then he won the junior
Starting point is 00:18:37 national freestyle tournament in the heavyweight division as well that year all right so kurt's a bad motherfucker when he's 17 years old and winner yeah he's a winner he's just he's a machine when you if you've seen him in in wrestling just in wwe or tna later or something he's a fucking machine and he's built like a brick shithouse too so for a guy that size to move like he does and you know throw himself around he really he was a hard worker so uh he uh he also was named the football defensive player of the year for western pennsylvania awesome so he's he's a he's got the world as his oyster here as far as he can go to college he can play football he can wrestle he can do whatever he wants which is uh
Starting point is 00:19:16 kind of cool i think in college though it's one of those i think you gotta you gotta choose a path in college it's not football and baseball yeah wrestling is different training from football a lot like i don't think they go together also college when you're at that level the chances of hurting yourself either way you you think that the coach of whatever side would encourage you not to do the other one that's true yeah that's just for the well yeah no coach wants their players doing anything else but what they're doing which is football are you your fucking mind i would think any coach would advise, don't play football. Are you out of your fucking mind? I would think any coach would advise kids, football coaches, like, you shouldn't play football.
Starting point is 00:19:49 This is crazy. I know it's fun. I know. Believe me. Played my whole life. It's so much fun. It's really great. You're going to love it.
Starting point is 00:19:58 But you're going to definitely get fucked up. So dangerous. There's no way to do this and not fuck yourself up. There's just no way. You want kids? Yeah, yeah. Come on. Now fuck yourself up. There's just no way. You want kids?
Starting point is 00:20:02 Yeah, yeah. Come on. So he graduates from Mount Lebanon High School in 1987, and he wants to play sports in college, obviously, and he has to decide between football and wrestling, and he does. He picks... Everybody wants him to play football. Of course. Because it's a more lucrative sport.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Much more mainstream. Yeah. If you're going to give away a scholarship, might as well give it to somebody who might put an ass in a seat somewhere rather than you know sure wrestling so uh but they thought he was a lot of none of the big colleges wanted him because they thought he was too small really yeah he's only at the time he was only 5 10 ends up being around six foot 5 11 he's not tall not a tall guy but he was about 200 pounds you know that's not a big guy for football like you have to you
Starting point is 00:20:45 better be real fucking fast if you're that size in football you better be and then even at that you're gonna be a fullback yeah well you fullback you need another 30 40 pounds and halfback you need another shitload on your 40s you need to drop 10 and be fast yeah you need to be like a 4 4 40 if you're gonna do that and i don't think kurt's running a 4 4 shit so it's you know not a lot of western pennsylvania white dudes running 4-4-40s it's just not a common thing and if they are they're probably lanky yeah they're probably not built like kurt i doubt so one of those deals so he was kind of you know kind of uh discouraged by all of this so he decides to go to clarion university yeah in clarion pennsylvania really it's in clarion the fuck is that i have never heard of clarion pennsylvania or clarion university i've only heard of hotels and stereo
Starting point is 00:21:33 equipment yeah clarion university sounds like a university where you go to learn how to put eye shadow on doesn't it yeah i'm going to clarion university oh my god amazing they have a six-month eye shadow program that goes into this other lipstick program that's amazing, and you should really pair it with an eyebrow threading program. And when I graduate from this, I'll go to Barbizon.
Starting point is 00:21:52 I'm going to Barbizon. I'm going to Barbizon. That's the natural progression. That's clarion. You get your undergrad. That's how it works. And you head on over to Barbizon. For your graduate work.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Right. Yeah, so you get your master's. You really get an all-around education. You got to do what you, yeah. That's what you do. And then you go, finally, now you're prepared to work at Glamour Shots. That's how that works. Or the Mac counter at Macy's.
Starting point is 00:22:14 One of the two. An old mall, Olin Mills. I don't know. One of those. You got to work there. Hell yeah. Get those kids ready for that picture. That's the nice part about barbizon is that they
Starting point is 00:22:26 they send your your they send your resume right over to jc penny that's how it works once you're in with sears then you're set at that point that's a life one package that's a life rest of your life man i hear you get the eight wallets the rest of your life you're selling packages a hole in mill 25 wallets you get the eight by ten five by seven this is a fucking deal i'm sorry pal you're not gonna find this all these pictures of the worst picture you've ever taken can you wait we hang like a blue fucking blanket in the background put your kids up there i don't know stand next to this bullshit fence we put together last sunday lighting we got a light yeah of course we got lights we think it's gonna take
Starting point is 00:23:11 pictures in the dark i can't believe that was a fucking thing we all did sit there dress your kids up the goofy outfits all the same fucking flannel print oh god so dumb i have one picture that was like taken at a place for my entire childhood where my little brother, my dad, my stepmother, I'm sure. Sure. I can't imagine my father. I think my father, fine man and a good dad and everything, but he's not... And I'm the same way.
Starting point is 00:23:37 I'm not like, you know what we should do? You know, we got a free Sunday. I've been working hard all week. I'd like to dress the kids up. I've been working hard all week. I'd like to dress the kids up. I've been working hard all week. I got nothing to do this day. Yeah. Here's what we're going to do.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Let's do this. No, no, no. I'm going to miss the Giants game. I don't care about that. I don't care about that. I don't care about that. They're only fighting for a playoff spot. We're going to dress the kids up.
Starting point is 00:23:57 We're going to head down to the mall for about three hours so I can spend $59.95 to get a shitload of pictures that nobody wants see how aggravation really is let's go get a run and that exists now i have one of those when i was a kid like this is perfect me and my brother it's just me and my little brother as a baby sitting there you're holding that's the fucking picture it's just hey how you doing i've got one of us of my family and then i have one of my grandparents and i'll be honest my grandparents look better than you yeah oh good absolutely that's hilarious they look like they belong in that picture with that gold olin mills in the corner yeah that's what this one has the gold
Starting point is 00:24:36 olin mills in the corner that's when you that's that olin mills means mall quality it's a picture of success. Nah. That means mall. That means B-Mall quality, because the A-Mall doesn't have an Olin Mills. Your town's B-Mall has an Olin Mills. That's what keeps it afloat. The Olin Mills, and they have one of those Sears appliance centers. People come in by fucking washing machines.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Just appliances. Just appliances. And they fix them and shit there. It's got Maytag in there and everything. The whole deal. That's the shit B-Mall, the Burlington Coat Factory. That's what everybody had 15 years ago when there was malls. Some airbrush shop.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Some shit like that. Before they started, now they just put malls outside. Right. You know what sucks about this? The roof. If only we could have less temperature control. Any control at all over fucking anything. Bugs.
Starting point is 00:25:27 We need more bugs in here. Birds would be good, too. If they could fly through shit on things, that'd be excellent. I'd like that a lot. People really like walking their dogs around. It's Arizona, and they're building them all over the place. It's crazy. It's 118 degrees for six months.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Oh, don't worry. We're going to put some misters up there that'll evaporate long before it touches your fucking forehead. No, no, it'll cause humidity, but won't kill the heat at all. It's good. It'll make you sweat ten times more. I know, it's a dry heat.
Starting point is 00:25:52 We're going to make it not a dry. It's going to be a nice wet heat now. It'll be a buck 18 with 77% humidity. How's that sound? Perfect? Good? What would Miami be like if it was a little bit hotter
Starting point is 00:26:01 and less hot people? Okay, no? What if we put an Olin Mills in? Now you're in, right? Now you're in, right? Let's go get one of those pictures. Boom. With your soggy shoulders.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Your soggy shoulders. Fucking great. Oh, that's amazing. I love it. Sorry, Kurt. Sorry, Kurt. We destroyed your show to talk about old and mills we're having fun i don't know what to tell you i slept about an hour and a half last
Starting point is 00:26:30 night we're putting together the prisoner dating game i'm fucking taking edibles i'm all sorts of having a good time i don't give a shit fantastic fuck it so yeah so kurt anyway uh during his first year at clarion he wins 29 matches, which seems good. How many are they doing? How many did he fight? It could be like 150. We don't know. But 29 sounds like a lot.
Starting point is 00:26:52 I assume they can't do more than like, what, 30, 35? Well, I mean, a school year is, what, 40 weeks? Yeah. And you're not wrestling every weekend, so that's probably... 30? I'm going like a college basketball season. They got about 30 games-ish, you know, regular season. There's probably three, four'm going like a college basketball season. Like they got about 30 games. You know,
Starting point is 00:27:06 there's probably three, four matches, a meet weekend. Maybe, maybe five. Cause you got it. It's a tournament. All right.
Starting point is 00:27:13 There's just got these tournaments. 29 sounds pretty impressive. Right. Put it all together. We'll make it all up. It's good. Make up a wrestling meet on the fly. He did well.
Starting point is 00:27:27 He's very impressive. I love how we can logic and take us down the wrong path and just be like fuck yeah that's right yeah that sounds logical as long as it sounds logical fuck it so he wins 29 matches but i guess it's good because he's named the pennsylvania state athletic conference freshman the Year. So I suppose that's good. Must be. Must be. 29 must be good. I bet they have 30-somethings. Probably.
Starting point is 00:27:49 They must. He skips his sophomore season wrestling. Really? Doesn't wrestle in his sophomore season because he says he just wants to train. Oh. He's going to take the season and just train. Oh.
Starting point is 00:28:00 So he's an animal. Those juniors he's coming to wrestle are going to better be shaken. They better be ready. He spent the season lifting weights and doing technique and shit like that, getting ready and just training, training. He said that it would thought that that could help him win a national championship was he needed that extra just a time of just buckling down and training.
Starting point is 00:28:18 And during the 1990 season, his junior year, I guess he had a 30 zero and one record that's awesome 30 wins zero losses and one draw that's awesome that's so i guess about 30 so there we go that's fucking we were right see look sometimes logic prevails even if we're idiots and we don't know anything sometimes it's probably 29 and one that's what i mean so 30 zero and one is pretty fucking impressive uh that's during the regular season he hurt his knee this is all based on some weird book by the way that the it's his book like olympic it's about his olympic shit basically his amateur career uh he hurt his knee right before the ncaa championships and uh he still wins the division one heavyweight title yeah because you can do that with one leg i've seen it
Starting point is 00:29:01 he did it yeah that's what i mean usually though i would think if it's hurt that leg's a a hindrance it's a hindrance yeah at that point you're dragging it you'd be like can you cut this off right rest of the match yeah it's not like the guy with one leg feels any pain yeah he's fucking he's lighter or something i don't know i guess they say that if you have obviously it's way more impressive to win with one leg sure i guess if you have like half your leg gone then your weight could be distributed on your upper body and you have more strength. There's I don't fucking center of gravity changes. It's all different. It's all different, but amazing and impressive. So he wins that.
Starting point is 00:29:32 And this is kind of a theme in his career. He gets hurt and then does really good things while he's hurt. It's a weird thing that he always does. Yeah, he's he any pain, emotional or physically causes him to buckle down good at redirection and do better yeah uh 1991 he wins 33 matches in a row wow so that's pretty impressive in in the ncaa uh he hurt his knee about a month before the ncaa championships and still wrestled in the tournament and i guess he hurt his knee worse this time but he lost the final match which was the last match of the year and the only match he
Starting point is 00:30:05 lost so a little bit pissed off obviously he's in second place he said he wanted to win one more national championship and um he's ready to do that he trains uh before the 92 season and uh 92 season he goes 26 and oh wow not bad and then enters the ncaa championships and uh he let's see Kurt weighed 199 pounds in his final match and the guy he was wrestling weighed 275 pounds what which is pretty fucking it's heavyweight so it's it's just guys the limit I don't know if there's a super heavyweight that's sumo is it is it sumos yeah it's like tough man do they have like I think you have to fly to Japan when you get to that weight oh shit we shit. We got to fly them out. Hey, kid, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Yeah. Clarion can't hold you anymore. We got to fly to Tokyo to handle this. They export those matches. Oh, boy. This is too much. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing.
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Starting point is 00:32:46 I guess so. I guess it's also a talent skill thing. But you think just that much weight, you'd be able to, I don't know, you'd be able to throw it around a little bit. Yeah. You know, just bully somebody. 75 pounds on somebody? Kurt's got to be very strong. He's got to make up for that weight with strength, which is, you know, that's a lot of strength to make up but if you've seen him he looks like a he looks like a cyborg so he can
Starting point is 00:33:09 do it uh 1992 he graduates from clarion he has a degree in geography which i did not know you could get a degree in knowing where shit is that's it it's a weird degree you can read any math he's real good ask me where sri lank is buddy i'll fucking tell you right now i'll show you the shape boom don't even look at that take the take all the all the names off every country i'll label them i'll show you i'll label them give me a sharpie let's go yeah sharpie i got that much confidence try erase my fucking balls i know what this is see that it's fucking jordan right there look at that united arab emirates i know the whole middle east i'm tough you heard of georgia not the state i know it boom bulgaria i bet you didn't even know where the fuck that was did you huh you didn't even know
Starting point is 00:33:53 that existed i know where borat's from i'll show you look they don't make cars there right there see i could do it so that's kurt he can do it he uh his total record at clarion and wrestling was 116 wins 10 losses and two ties that's impressive that's really really good uh he set a bunch of school records he set records he had 150 single season takedowns and uh his 355 career takedowns still stand as records. I don't know if it's at the school or in NCAA or whatever the fuck, but he starts training with the U.S. wrestling team right after that when he graduates. He finishes third at the World Cup Championships and fourth at the U.S. Nationals.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Awesome. So he's a bad motherfucker. He tries out for the Olympic team that year, but he doesn't make it. He's a little young for that. Just got out of college yeah that's what i mean yeah the guys are a little more seasoned and uh so he's getting better though he wanted to make the team but he didn't uh he finished second in the u.s nationals in 1993 and uh he's winning he won some tournament in france he's he's doing a lot in amateur wrestling and building his skills. And he wants to ultimately be on the 1996 Olympic team. That's the goal here. It was Barcelona, I believe, right?
Starting point is 00:35:12 No, that was 92. It was 92. Dream Team 2. 96 was Greece. Atlanta. You're right. Greece was after that, right? I think so.
Starting point is 00:35:21 I hate the fucking Olympics. It's so dumb. I hate it. The only thing I know about the Olympics is the Dream Team and anything that we talk about on Crime and Sports because I just ignore the Olympics completely. I was in Barcelona just because I was young and I loved Stacey Augman. That was cool. That's a good one.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Those basketball teams. Otherwise, it's a bunch of sports that aren't spectator sports that we don't watch. It's basketball. Those are the ones I know. That's it because it's players that we wanted to watch. Otherwise, I don't want to watch a bunch of people I've never heard of play a bunch of sports that I don't watch basketball yeah those are the ones i know that's it because it's players that we wanted to watch otherwise i don't want to watch a bunch of people i've never heard of play a bunch of sports that i don't want to watch and i don't care about yeah yeah let's oh you're gonna swim i'm gonna watch this closely the fuck who the fuck wants to watch a person swim it's an amazing thing and it's talent but it's not visually stimulating to watch you know what i mean right
Starting point is 00:36:03 you just look at the time and you go wow that's great that seems fast to watch it there he goes he's a he's trying he's not he's not drowning i don't know how anybody watched that pre michael phelps because with michael phelps they started to like throw technology in it and you yeah they had the bar going to see what the record was and and see where where he is versus that bar otherwise you're just sitting there watching the clock and now we're watching this bird's eye view of people not drowning it's like this is boring as fuck and they're all going the same speed so their speed doesn't it's like nascar you don't see the speed right put a fat guy in the put me in the pool just somebody's doggy paddle and try it really is like wow they're lapping that guy that's impressive they just splashed him in the face holy shit so for this he's gonna train he needs
Starting point is 00:36:50 a trainer he needs somebody special like an olympic trainer so he gets david schultz not dr d david schultz who smacked john stossel we've talked about in a bonus episode one time not that david schultz uh an actual olympic wrestler who won an olympic gold in 1984 named david schultz and uh he was he kind of is a coach he's helping people prep for the 96 olympic team because i don't know what else you would do as an amateur wrestler i don't know how those skills translate to the real world yeah there was no mma really back then so he majored in the geography b so he's yeah he's pretty well fucked i don't know how that's so you better train really painting himself into a corner
Starting point is 00:37:29 here this is the thing all this who's paying for all this yeah he's he how much does he have to eat to train like he's doing for four years i don't know if i hope there's like is there funds for people like olympic hopeful funds or something grants i don't know is he is he working on a crane during the day i don't hear any of that also uh the crane operator salary went away and now we're just on a on a on a secretary salary this can't be easy imagine if you were just such a good athlete people were just like no no no don't work oh forget it we got it take care of your body imagine that just yeah train people just okay chicken sandwiches all day no no he's gonna do great things imagine that
Starting point is 00:38:05 how did they do that in comedy no no he's hilarious he's hilarious no no if you ask him to tell you a joke i swear to christ i'll slap you it's just he's so funny just let him be just just give him the coke just train give him the coke so uh schultz and angle were members of team foxcatcher which was a wrestling squad that was financed by john dupont oh of the painting of the dupont yeah he's a philanthropist at this point and uh dupont i don't know if you've heard about this story we'll definitely do a bonus episode on the story because it's fucking insane. DuPont was loopy as shit. He was absolutely insane. Really?
Starting point is 00:38:49 Bat shit, crazy, bonkers insane. How do you mean? Fucking serious mental illnesses. He had delusional schizophrenia. Oh, Jesus. I'm not talking. He needed a hospital. Yeah, I'm not talking like, oh, he's a little annoying.
Starting point is 00:39:03 He thinks it's Thursday. It's Monday. He might need a little therapy, oh he's i don't know he's a little annoying he thinks it's thursday it's monday you might need a little therapy that guy i don't know or something no it's he's fucking delusional wow crazy like did you just see the thing that was here there's no idea where you're lying i'll kill you what the fuck are you talking about the voice is in my head yeah um apparently things got worse and worse for him as the team prepped for the olympics dupont got crazier and crazier and started threatening wrestlers like physically threatening them he pulled a gun on one oh no uh he kicked a wrestler off the team with a gun he said you get out of here pull the gun it's not how you kick a fucking amateur wrestler off a team this is not a it's not a mob squad here it's not
Starting point is 00:39:39 the yeah you know like you didn't just tell on the dawn like what is happening it's a they're amateur wrestlers what could you do to cause gunplay inside of a little circle on a mat how do you get for me to be there wow that's a lot so uh on january 26 1996 uh he shot uh schultz three times and killed him really yeah he killed david coach yeah the dupont the the just the financier of the team holy shit and killed him he killed his coach yeah he killed uh schultz he pointed a gun at him and ended up shooting him three times and he was sentenced to 13 to 30 years in prison dupont for this that seems light it's a this he's nuts it's a crazy play no he's prison, but he should probably be. I feel bad for the fucking other people in the prison with a guy like him.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Did he get like a crazy plea or was it just I don't know. We'll talk about it when we do a bonus. That's a nutty story. It's a crazy story. It's a pretty famous story, but we'll get into some details on it. So Kurt is absolutely devastated by this. He said Schultz was a father figure to him. Basically, you know, he looked like schultz was a father figure to him basically you know he looked
Starting point is 00:40:45 at he doesn't have a father he's been looking for somebody to latch on to and he finds this guy and he's fucking shot so now he doesn't have that and he doesn't have the money and he doesn't have the money the guy yeah his dad falls on his head this guy gets shot by a fucking philanthropist what the hell what luck is that right your dad falls on his head out of a crane what are the odds and then fucking a wealthy philanthropist shoots your wrestling coach spray paint guy shot my coach how often does that happen what's next is the dutch boy gonna fuck my wife what's going on what's going on what's happening? It just keeps going and going. It won't stop.
Starting point is 00:41:26 I walked in on him. It's so gross. It's so gross. I said, when are you going to be finished? He said, never. Dutch boy high-fived him. It was weird. It was fucked up.
Starting point is 00:41:35 Eiffel Tower. It was nasty, man. It was wrong. But I'll tell you what. The fucking living room. The gloss on that paint. It was pretty good. I had to let it go.
Starting point is 00:41:44 I had to let it go. It was that good of a job. So he ends up making the Olympics, Kurt, as we know. He ends up being the only member of Team Foxcatcher to make the Olympics, and he dedicates everything to the trainer. And every time they talk to him, everything's in memory of his trainer, and this is all for David Schultz and all this type of shit so during the olympic trials to make the to make it in the first place he landed on his head during i don't know if it's training or a
Starting point is 00:42:15 match but he landed on his head not even from a crane just from you know wrestling position and herniated herniated two discs in his neck and his neck and cracked two vertebrae oh no so and pulled four muscles as well that will fuck your life up it does yeah it fucks your life up good and he ends up uh basically he definitely should have not wrestled and he just kept going he won the match it was apparently a match that he heard it in so during that match he did that and won the match so he was apparently he was So during that match, he did that and won the match. So he was apparently he was winning the match. He ended up winning the match for three after he was down. Oh, three got hurt and then won for three.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Then he won four straight points, I guess, after that, after he got hurt. So, yeah, next day he went for an MRI and they told him to not do anything for six months. You know, rest and heal for six months. So he said, well, that's not going to work. So he tried to find doctors that would say you're good, basically. So he got a second opinion. He found a doctor, he said, in his business, what Kurt Angle said, that was, quote, either smart enough or stupid enough to allow him to wrestle, to give him clearance, basically. One or the other.
Starting point is 00:43:24 One or the other and uh they said no more train the doctor told him this no training in between just wrestle and take shit loads of novocaine before each match just load your neck up so you can't feel it and then wrestle and you'll be able to go that's one way to get the movement there but that's gonna fuck you up oh you have no idea what you're doing in there that's so much damage it's so terrible to wrestle you can't feel how bad it is but go ahead there uh this is ridiculous he should have not been anywhere near a fucking wrestling tournament or having novocaine shot this is your neck right and he's a young guy like that's he's 26 years old right now that's that's a real young to have your neck fucked up that bad so uh he does it though he he
Starting point is 00:44:06 wrestles he uh wins every goddamn match going into it he finally in the end of it he wins the gold medal he beats abbas jadidi yeah to win you know him abbas is you know it's actually a best it's oh yeah that's i'm sorry you're right god damn He's going to be mad at me now for that. So, and Konstantin Alexandrov was a, I think he was a, he's from one of the Borat countries. I'm not sure. One of the unpronounceable K countries that don't have enough vowels in them from that region of Central Asia below Russia, former Soviet bloc country. Kraspeka, Ukraine, Stan. Kurt would know which country it is is he's got a geography degree but in the capital yeah in the capital but and their their best biggest export
Starting point is 00:44:50 that's it so yeah he does that he wins the gold medal oh so he wins and this doesn't happen often apparently americans aren't great at winning the gold medal in wrestling heavyweight especially that's dominated by the russian by the sure it's dominated by the soviet bloc country by the hardiest yeah they're hardy and they're really into it right like wrestling around on the ground with each other with hardy and anger yeah blows together and and really creates a but everybody that he beat i can't pronounce any of their names so put it that way what sagged mertal mertazaliev okay uh what the fuck is that oh my dude if somebody this guy was a patreon donor you're how you just go i don't know it's something with a d i'm even thank you gore sergine samya bazar wow first name d-o-l-g-o-r-s-u with an umlaut
Starting point is 00:45:52 yep we gotta have that r-e-n-g-i-i-n that's his first fucking name he's got two eyes together his last name is s-u-m-y-a-a-b-a-z-a-r how did how is that a thing how is it a fucking name put two vowels together like that two identicals like i get oh and you yeah but i i that's not a thing a a yeah we get it i a you'll do i guess it's really specific i don't know it tells you how to pronounce it i'm sure yeah not here he does he does or he's like i'll wrestle you otherwise so once he's an olympic gold medalist olympic gold medalists now they can make some money they have a like a name and they they get they sponsor things they're they get sponsors and they're you know hi i'm so and so for bullshit and right i'm an olympic gold member me right yeah look all you do is put a gold medal
Starting point is 00:46:41 on me you go i'll listen to what they say metal jacket. And they go out there and they go, I'm a gold medalist. I'm listening. Sell me your extended stay hotel. Yeah, sell me something. Sell me term life insurance, please. I want that from a figure skater. So, I don't know. That's why it's always something.
Starting point is 00:46:58 So, what you get is eight wallets. We'll throw the eight by ten in for free. We'll throw it in with the term life insurance. So you get one round of Olin Mills. Life insurance plus Olin Mills. Who can resist? That's $164 value. That's right.
Starting point is 00:47:15 And we put it right next to the Burlington Coat Factory, the office, and the B Mall. So it's one-stop shopping. The balls of them to charge what they charged. I'm telling you. P.S. It was so expensive. Very expensive. Crazy. Very expensive. It was so expensive. Very expensive. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:47:25 Very expensive. It was three digits. I remember that going, what? Yeah, what are we doing? Why would we do that? It seems like, don't you have a camera? What's going on here? Should I have one of those little 110s that you do with the big flash things you stick
Starting point is 00:47:37 in the top and it sticks out? Shut up. Get over there and stand next to the fake tree. That's it. Go ahead. Then you crank to the next picture. Crank. Okay. Next one. Click. Hold on. I got to change the flash block. Yeah. This one's burnt out. Shit. Crank. next to the fake tree that's it go ahead then he's cranked to the next picture crank okay next
Starting point is 00:47:45 one click hold on i gotta change the flash block yeah this one's burnt out shit correct it only comes with 10 flashes for 24 pictures so it's kind of a fucking hassle it's the ultimate hot dog bun situation the ultimate 12 hot dogs for eight buns thanks i appreciate that so fucking stupid so speaking of food yep uh his sponsor he becomes a marketing representative so he's a you know sponsored by uh proto foods the manufacturers of ostrom which is a quote ostrich meat based food stuff you can't put stuff in your food stuff in your description of your thing which means it's sort of food yeah you know i think like the if we throw stuff they can't sue us yeah like artificial cheese slices if you read closely are a food stuff they call them it's like a thing
Starting point is 00:48:38 made from a food like i think craft singles are some sort of stuff derivative it's exactly a derivative here so this is an ostrich meat-based food stuff. How the fuck do you sell that? May as well just say kinda. What the fuck? Well, there's two unattractive things there. First, it's ostrich meat, so you've got to overcome that with people. Then you're like, okay, so you're okay with ostrich meat.
Starting point is 00:48:58 It's ostrich meat food stuff. They're like, hold on a second. It's not even ostrich meat. I'm not getting like a steak here. No, there's some in it. It's mixed in. Don't worry about second. It's not even ostrich meat. I'm not getting like a steak here. No, there's some in it. It's mixed in. Don't worry about it. It's a tough sell.
Starting point is 00:49:08 So this is when he first sticks his, kind of dabbles his toe, dangles his toe in the water of professional wrestling. Doesn't wrestle, but he appears at, this is in, I want to say October of 96. I'm going off memory here. He appears at an ECW event. That's Extreme Championship Wrestling. That is where New Jack wrestled. And this is during the time of craziness. And all the shit we told you about with New Jack is going on during this time.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Kurt Angle is Mr. He's got the best posture you've ever seen. Mr. Buttoned up, all-American boy. I'm an Olympic champion. I sell ostrich food stuff like he's very he is not like a you know counterculture guy or like a 90s
Starting point is 00:49:51 like you know he's not that kind of guy there's no there's no X games in him like to be like a 90s term like there's none of that shit going on with Kurt Kurt is like Mr. America you know you could have plunked Kurt in 1958 and people are like that's a fine young man one of those kids you know he's one of those guys so this night he is in the front row I don't know
Starting point is 00:50:11 if they paid him to be there because that was they would pay people to be there and uh Paul Heyman he's a huckster I'm sure he would say hey we'll get an Olympic champion in there because it's Pennsylvania they're both from Pennsylvania or the company's based in Pennsylvania he's there legitimize it a little bit just kind of you know throw him and get a little attention it's just he liked to get surprises so you announce hey there's Kurt Angle and they did and Kurt Angle waved to the crowd and he said I'm happy to be here and I'm an Olympic champion and all that horse shit so they did that whole thing and you know Kurt was watching it and probably thinking this is not anything I want to be involved in these people are crazy I just saw a man hit another man with a nintendo right this is not what i trained for that man just opened his own face i saw it not
Starting point is 00:50:50 even with a razor just a pair of scissors he just jammed him in there just his fingers i'm sure that was open just open yeah he just peeled it open like a bag of chips he just pulled it god damn that's crazy so uh a woman gave herself a c-section right between the matches it was wild she wasn't even in a match she just came out there and just did it and fucking left well she did it with yard she was wild fucking and one of the wrestlers gave him to her she passed him from the outside she needed a foreign object somebody distracted the ref while she sliced herself and then she took the baby away still with the cord attached out of the ring so maybe in one hand intestines in the other exactly so during this there is a he's watching one particular incident there is a thing between
Starting point is 00:51:36 raven and sandman sandman's the guy who austin stole all the beer drinking and shit from he's that guy we've talked about him and uh all this shit so they have a feud and in this feud basically raven and his little flock there his little people whatever it was a little brood yeah they attack sandman and they pull out from under the ring they pull out a wooden cross and they fucking pin him to the cross right yeah they do that and they even put a barbed wire crown on his head because they use so much barbed wire in ECW. So it's just a little wink. It was left over.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Yeah, and he's standing there. Sandman's on the cross. Kurt Angle flipped his fucking wig. Really? Lost his fucking mind. Not on my watch. Freaked out. Went to Paul Heyman.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Said, if you fucking show me on here with that shit, I'm going to sue you fucking people. This is the most disgusting thing I've ever fucking heard of, and I'm a Christian. This is a Christian country. Calm down, Joe Buck. He went through the whole thing. Meanwhile, he participated in a very similar thing with, I think, Undertaker on a cross like three years later. If you pay me enough, if Vince McMahon says to do it.
Starting point is 00:52:38 I'd do this for free. Yeah, but I'm just in the front row. Get the fuck out of here. But this is before he got wrestling. He'll say at this point he didn't get wrestling. He didn't get really with the whole thing. He wasn't a fan and he didn't really understand it. So he didn't understand like the tongue in cheek bit of this.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Yeah. He just didn't get what it was all about. So later on, he'll say he gets it. So anyway, he goes to how offensive it was. And he was like going off saying because Raven is Jewish. That was the thing he says. And he's, you know, you're having a Jewish guy do this jewish that was the thing he says and he's you know you're having a jewish guy do this and like that was a big deal does the audience know that
Starting point is 00:53:09 he said he's jewish before but i mean i don't think anybody like every match no i'm a jew he's raven his real name's scott levy you know he's but he doesn't say hi i'm scott levy i play the character of raven i'm gonna beat this guy up and then i'm gonna go to fucking temple on saturday yeah shalom shabbat that doesn't fucking that's not what happened i gotta get in on getting dark out on a friday that's not what goes on here so it's funny too i saw an interview with it and raven was like ah fuck kurt angley was going off and the guy goes he goes well why didn't you know you didn't put him up on a star david he goes i would have fucking rolled away that's why otherwise i wouldn't have cared he goes he can't put him on a star cross Yeah, a cross doesn't... He goes, it's going to roll away.
Starting point is 00:53:46 What are you talking about? That's not going to work. A cross falls over, it stops. That's what I mean. It's just better for it. And he goes, Sandman's the guy who built the fucking cross. He goes, the one we put on there. He goes, he's the one who built it. He goes, I don't know anything about construction. I'm a fucking Jew. That's what was his joke. He goes, he built it. He's a Christian. He didn't care. It was a
Starting point is 00:54:01 joke, you know? Hilarious. Yeah, they made Raven come out and apologize at the end of the night and go i'm sorry if i offended everyone it was the biggest load of shit all because kurt angle was a fucking other people were pissed about it but kurt angle made a big stinking deal out of it so kurt clearly doesn't listen to marilyn manson it's wrestling i mean don't you can't go into wrestling of with the idea that i'll be offended by anything that happens besides you know pedophilia or something outside of that I'm not going to be it's wrestling you have to go in with that mindset they're trying
Starting point is 00:54:30 to make me mad barring public I don't know punishment of like women or flogging or children and even women it's wrestling they fight each other so it's like it's even even that's a gray area I just mean in general if you're an offended person I can figure it out man this life is too short calm the fuck down so vince mcmahon
Starting point is 00:54:52 offers kurt because he looks at kurt as like this is money because he's a mainstream star so he's like i could get people who don't even watch wrestling to watch this just to check him out that's what he does he tries to get mainstream stars He's looking at him like my new Ken Patera, but better. Because Ken Patera was a big giant star for him back in the day because he was an Olympic weightlifter. But this guy's an Olympic wrestler, and he's a gold medalist. He does what we do. It's a different story with him.
Starting point is 00:55:16 He's the most legit guy there is. Angle was interested, but he didn't get wrestling at this point. And he even said he had one one catch with the contract one clause he wanted in there yeah and that was he said quote uh this is him later on quote if i sign this contract i can never lose what after all he said he just won the freestyling wrestling gold medal so how could he lose to these guys in the ring like in a wrestling match that's silly yeah but you gotta come back with wrestling you've gotta lose for people to fucking watch otherwise they won't want to see those go he's just gonna beat that guy gonna win watch this match if it was
Starting point is 00:55:53 real yeah you just go wrestle him and twist him into a pretzel in fucking 30 seconds no one's watching that that's boring go in and yeah see if anybody gives a shit about that these people aren't competitive wrestlers they're fucking you know so angle said quote he looked at me like i was crazy i took the contract home and waited for vince to call me and he never called me he thought this kid just doesn't get it yeah so he was like he'll come around and vince was like well never mind that guy he says he'll never lose that kind of takes no i don't know what you're gonna do that. I had a giant guy stab a fat white kid in Rhode Island last week. I can't tell you what's going to happen. Anything could happen.
Starting point is 00:56:29 I have no idea. You don't fucking know anything. So he spends a good year and a half watching wrestling and kind of trying to figure it out. He watches WWE, watches everything else, and he gets into it now and he gets what's going on. He's like, okay, you can't have a guy never lose because then there would be no drama, and nobody would want to see a match. Fucking storyline. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:56:51 If this guy loses, then it's like, holy shit, he's really going to want revenge now. That's the storyline. That's how you do it. So he approached the WWE and said, you know, I'd like to talk to you guys again. No eight-year contract on the table this time. It was eight years talk to you guys again no eight-year contract on the table this time it was eight years before they offered him an eight-year contract see if the geography b gives you that that's what i mean that's for vince that's ridiculous that that is because that was the time when wcw was still around and it was i mean this is the height of the competition so
Starting point is 00:57:19 he guy like kurt angle you know wcw will give him a fuckload of money, and he knows it for a fact. Like, this guy is a hot property. I've got to offer him a huge contract right now or he's gone. So he does. So he ends up coming back, and they give him a tryout this time rather than a contract. They go, well, let's see what you got. And three days after the tryout, he got a deal.
Starting point is 00:57:40 So it was probably a pretty good tryout, I would imagine. Oh, that's what you do. He's a specimen, man. I mean, you could watch this guy guy and go jesus christ even if he didn't know how to do the moves of pro wrestling you go fuck me this guy is a goddamn i mean he just he's noticeable when he walks in the aisle everybody's head's gonna turn and go look at this fucking guy it's just a you know that's what you want in wrestling so he does do that he makes his time he doesn't make it to his tv debut for another year really uh he's got a train he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing if you put him on live tv he's gonna look like an asshole and all these guys got specific moves and you gotta be
Starting point is 00:58:12 able to know what to do with those well you never get a second chance to make a first impression if you're a nobody you can you can be you can lose for three years they repackage you or something but if you're everybody knows who you are you come in day one everyone's all attention on you kurt angle the olympic gold medalist and you shit the bed and look like a bag of shit out there you're done yeah no one there you're garbage now no one looks at you again so he had to get better he trained five days uh five days a month under dory funk he's in with the funks here they're training him the briscoe jerry briscoe's training him at that point too and uh so then he's worth they have him work some indies they have him work down in memphis where they kind of had their minor league down there and uh yeah so he said about
Starting point is 00:58:56 signing with wwe he said her wwf at the time i have gone as far as i can go as an amateur the wwf is the recognized leader in sports entertainment the world over. He got that right out of Vince McMahon's mouth. That's what he used to say. Introducing fucking pay-per-views. I will be competing against the very best. Now it's time to put U.S. angle back into action. I will give the fans 210% of my ability.
Starting point is 00:59:19 And my goal is to ultimately become the WWF champion. So just a cornball stock bullshit. 200, fuck you. Yeah. You can't. Give me a break here. Yeah. So he says at that point, you know, later on people ask him, like, what made you change your mind about wrestling, basically?
Starting point is 00:59:37 What made you go from, you know, this bullshit, stupid thing to you want to do it? And he said, quote, by the time I had gotten into it, the cat was out of the bag it was sports entertainment it was a premeditated finish people knew it by 98 it was it was no like no mistake anymore no one was thinking i bet that guy that guy really beat kurt angle like no one thought that ever no one thinks steve austin can really wrestle kurt angle to a fucking it's not gonna happen he would kill steve austin in two seconds he knows what he's doing like you know yeah tough guy yes and steve's already drunk he's already drunk he's a lot older than him and you know inside an actual ring with grappling he's gonna fuck him up like it's just not the same form of combat so uh maybe in a bar it's a different story even then i don't think
Starting point is 01:00:21 kern angle's a guy you can hurt if you break his neck and he wins still, what do you do to stop a guy like that? You broke his neck, for Christ's sake. It didn't help. I don't even know if Steve Austin can take a punch. You got to shoot. That's what I mean. That's what I mean in real life. Who the fuck knows if he can take a punch?
Starting point is 01:00:36 That's the thing. So, yeah, he said, I think when I came in, there was a bit of shock because USA Wrestling wanted me to continue for another four years. Then there was more acceptance for guys who entered the wwe later on he said if anything the amateur wrestling community looks at it now as uh now where that's one of our guys kurt angle was one of us it's more of a pride thing now than it was a disgrace because wwe is so big and it's such a global company people will take pride in knowing the wrestler that represented us is in wwe yeah it used to be an embarrassment back in the day like an olympic wrestler that wrestled in you know in a in pro wrestling was kind of like yeah and we should talk about too
Starting point is 01:01:15 there's it's a tough transition from amateur to pro wrestling that is not just oh you're an amateur wrestler so you'd be a good pro wrestler it's actually sometimes that's a huge hindrance to these guys if they're really good amateur wrestlers because the training since they kurt's been wrestling since he was seven so the training since he was seven is to never give your body always give resistance and if you are giving your body you're doing it to trick someone in to pull him something in to sucker him into something it's you're never giving anything away everything is resistance and pulling for the tar heels and planning to be in the nba and then you don't get drafted and you go play with the harlem globe exactly and you put the ball under your jersey and you're fucking you know running around a bucket of confetti and people and shit like that's exactly what it's like so it's not the same so a lot of amateurs have a problem with that
Starting point is 01:02:02 and they're not good wrestlers they're just not i mean they look when they get in there they look like they know what they're doing but they're not they just don't know how to do it right and like they might look okay but all the other wrestlers will be like jesus christ it's like wrestling a fucking couch that guy he just doesn't he doesn't do the things he doesn't give you the things he doesn't lean the way you need him to he doesn't give his weight the way he's supposed to, but apparently, Kurt picked it up immediately. He's just good at what he puts his mind to. Jerry Briscoe, who's worked for WWE forever,
Starting point is 01:02:32 he was a member of the Briscoe brothers there. His brother, Jack, is one of the most respected amateur and pro wrestlers of all time. Yeah. He said that Briscoe tells all the guys to show up in shape and be ready to cut promos.
Starting point is 01:02:48 That's what they're interested in. Be ready to talk on the mic. He says, quote, 1A is promo, promo, promo. He says that's all you care about. Makes sense. All of this work is all for naught if we don't have people in the fucking seats. That's it. All the people they recruit now, the athleticism is that's a given yeah these are all athletes
Starting point is 01:03:09 everybody's athletic enough to do this that's not the point it's okay are you interesting enough for anybody to care that you're doing it so that's the big thing and that's another thing all amateur wrestlers have a hard time with sometimes yeah yeah if anything they're taught to be low-key and not have a personality they're taught to shut the fuck up and run around and lose weight and all that shit so uh briscoe said quote uh that one uh that one they get that uh that one minute they get that uh that's all they need to know and show us they have the personality i'm not worried about the athletic skills the kids we've been recruiting have been athletes since they were four or five years old and in multiple sports. When I tell them to study, I tell them, don't don't focus on the in-ring product. Focus on what these guys do with a microphone.
Starting point is 01:03:51 And I think that's the main problem. If you if there's any problem with wrestling now, it's that's the issue is it's much less personality based and it's much more flair. It's much more. Look at how amazing these fucking these athletic things are in the ring and the guys who can talk still aren't allowed to say what they want because it's all written by writers so everybody sounds the same so everybody sounds like they're doing these soap opera monologues and it's stupid yeah let a fucking guy talk let a girl talk let these people have personalities you know what i mean let them if they don't have a personality then shit can them
Starting point is 01:04:24 yeah then start writing for them but you never know they might have a personality and when they let steve austin talk fucking stone cold came out before that he never really was allowed to talk yeah and then all of a sudden hey look at this holy shit you sell a trillion dollars in merchandise that's what happens he swears like a like a southern that's great yeah holy shit he relates yeah people like him. He's drinking beer. Transition, look at this. So Kurt said, quote, when I started training, I took the approach of being really passive because I didn't want to hurt anybody.
Starting point is 01:04:51 It's the other thing. He's in shape to murder, and these guys are in shape to perform. It's a different type of shape. He said, I made it to a point to never get flustered. When I got confused or you don't know what's going to happen next, your instinct of crushing that other guy takes over. I always allowed my opponent to do whatever he wanted to me when a spot got mixed up because I was afraid I was going to hurt someone. That sounds so hot. That does sense.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Good job. And we're going to talk, by the way, very little wrestling and it's going to be all crime here in a second. Yeah, yeah. So his first WWE match was a dark match against brian christopher another crime and sports alumnus how does that work uh what do you mean dark match dark matches are on before like let's say you're at a tv tape oh got it they're the matches doesn't matter but that they didn't they don't they don't show on tv like yeah if you go to an event you're you know you see oh it's a pay-per-view and these are all the matches and then they bring people out who the fuck are these people they'll have like four matches behind beforehand while the crowd's sitting just to get everybody i saw it
Starting point is 01:05:51 like a warmed up dark room and everybody's got night night vision that's what it is we get to watch them dark man it's much harder if you can perform in a dark match you can do anything so uh that's impressive yeah he wrestled at house shows and other dark matches and all this type of shit and uh continued to wrestle down in memphis he was even the champion down in memphis for a while there yeah and then he gave that up to come up to wwe that's gonna be on raw by the way next week what a dark room a dark yeah everybody's got night vision goggles and vince mcmahon's gonna act like he had the idea first i had the idea he steals everything from everybody else anyway who fucking cares that guy steals dude half the shit on the network is stolen from k-fabe commentaries it literally is like if you look at some of the things they don't even they
Starting point is 01:06:33 barely change the names like it's like dude that's blatant you just blatantly stole that from somebody who made that already like they just do it and they're like but we can put our footage in right that's what they do it's like oh okay fucking we've got an audience yeah hey sean elliver just laughs at it but christ almighty after a while you gotta gotta be like what the fuck dude you could fucking throw me a couple bucks for the idea right it's what fuck like your giant house you fucking jerk yeah thanks a lot florida yeah this sucks so i don't know where sharon's but probably florida baby florida or new york one of the two the so uh he is everybody says kurt learned the business as fast as anybody um triple h said who was you know in charge of everything now basically he said that angle quote probably
Starting point is 01:07:17 the fastest guy i've ever seen pick this business up phenomenal athleticism and an aptitude for the industry um i think the rock might have been a little faster but the rock kind of it's he's like the 14th generation like everyone in his family's a wrestler his grandparents and like everybody's a wrestler he's from this that samoan he's got yeah it's a different thing but uh 2000 he wins the best gimmick and most improved award from the wrestling observer uh yeah which is the that's dave melzer's magazine it's kind of like the it's the the standard of of like the wrestling media quote unquote you know whatever so uh basically he comes out they kind of give him the same thing
Starting point is 01:07:58 as like the rock did basically like where he comes out as an ultra good guy which makes everybody hate him because it's the late 90s so you can't come out and be, I'm Mr. Patriotic and, you know, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, Hulk Hogan style. He had the three eyes, intensity, integrity and intelligence, which is just like the, you know, the command, the demandments of Hulk Hogan. It's the same shit basically I tried to make. And the crowd was like, fuck you.
Starting point is 01:08:23 Fuck you. He'd come out with his gold medals on and he's got like the singlet with the American flag kind of shit on it. So, you know, people are like, get the fuck out of here. So they knew that was going to happen. They made him a bad guy out of that. So then he was kind of a it's kind of a good bad guy, actually, because he's this, you know, he can be this like arrogant prick. I'm an Olympic champion and all that shit. So it's kind of good. yeah that is america today yeah yeah fighting and booing and just being an
Starting point is 01:08:53 asshole and doing it with the flag on my chest and it's everybody it's just everybody if you don't know when crystal pepsi was discontinued what was in al capone's vault or which famous meteorologist is lenny kravitz's second cousin, then you haven't spent enough time on Wikipedia. But that's okay. I am here for you. I'm Darcy Carden, and I'm inviting you to listen to my new podcast, WikiHole, from SmartList Media. Discover the craziest rabbit holes on Wikipedia with me and my funny friends as we bring the cyber frontier directly to your tympanic membrane. And if you listen to my podcast, you'd learn that that's the sciency term for eardrum. We embark on a hyperlink roller coaster as we start out on a Wikipedia page and go from link to link to link
Starting point is 01:09:36 to link, careening through trivia, oddities, and unexpected connections until we collectively shout, how the hell did we get here follow wiki hole on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to wiki hole ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app or on apple podcasts everybody so he uh he feuds with brock lesnar who you know of and eddie guerrero him and brock lesnar have these crazy matches i want to say they had the, I don't remember this specifically, and I didn't concentrate on this, but I want to say they had a series of hour-long matches
Starting point is 01:10:11 that they were doing that were basically amateur style almost. Very weird. Both those guys are real competitive, so I assume they just beat the living shit out of each other. An entire hour of that shit? Yeah, which sounds boring as balls. It does. I guess if you're real into technical stuff, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:26 So he also has a feud with Eddie Guerrero, who's a lot of fun. 2002, Wrestling Observer names him Best Interviews and Best Technical Awards. Also Match of the Year for teaming with Chris Benoit, who we know of, obviously. A very bad man. Yeah. Versus Rey Mysterio and edge he also wins wrestler of the year and he's also readers favorite wrestler 2002 2003 so kurt you know in four years went from i don't know if i'm going to try this out to as good as anybody there is right right away so not
Starting point is 01:10:59 too fucking bad grace yeah this is grace keep in mind his neck is still fucked oh his neck is never gonna be good it's shredded and he'll hurt it worse and again and again as he gets older the neck's not gonna heal up better uh now may of 2003 there's a woman named deanne seiden she's from inkster michigan yeah uh you said that like you knew like yeah i know her total bitch total i know her inkster mich. Total. I know her. Inkster, Michigan. I'm already depressed. She stabbed my sister, dude.
Starting point is 01:11:29 I don't like her. She apparently was harassing Kurt Angle as he traveled all over the country. She was like following him. Like a stalker? Yeah. A police captain here said, quote, she would follow him around from venue to venue and telephone his hotel, telephone his home, cancel his airline reservations no bitch threaten his family and threaten his children that's horrible it got very very serious i would say you know what there is not equality
Starting point is 01:11:57 because if that's a man uh he's in jail oh he's well there so is she oh that's why it's a police captain explaining she goes to jail, too. No, no. If you do this of any gender, you're going to fucking jail, I feel like. Oh, man. I mean, obviously, you look at it, and I saw a picture of her. She's not physically threatening to Kurt Angle, but if she has a weapon, she would be. Anybody's physically threatening with a gun. If they have a gun or a knife, or you don't know, or if she goes after his kids.
Starting point is 01:12:20 This is crazy shit. You can't have people threatening your family. No. So, apparently, she's 34 years old, this woman. She followed't have people threatening your family. No. So apparently she's 34 years old. This woman, she followed him to an event in Baltimore. She followed him through an airport in Grand Rapids, Michigan, tracked his wife, Karen, down in Little Rock, Arkansas, was following her around. Yeah. They said that the police report said that she left numerous phone messages on victims answering machine stating that she was having Kurt's baby and that he needed to take responsibility for their child.
Starting point is 01:12:50 So she was calling him at home to tell his wife that that old chest. Yeah. And meanwhile, he's never met her other than she's been stalking him. Wow. No relationship at all. They've never had. He's never had contact with her. He does not know her at all.
Starting point is 01:13:04 He is unbelievable sperm, but it's wild. It's never had contact with her. He does not know her at all. He is unbelievable sperm. It's wild. It's really strong. From Arkansas to Michigan. It's strong. It travels. Travels well. It's a hell of a shot.
Starting point is 01:13:13 That's some... It's like pneumatic. He's got some pump behind it. Well, he knows geography, see? That's very instrumental. That's it right there. Good point. Good point.
Starting point is 01:13:24 I didn't realize the geography connection. He knows where to send it. That's the difference, that's very instrumental. I did it right there. Good point. Good point. I didn't realize the geography connection. He knows where to send it. That's the difference. That's the difference. So Pittsburgh police arrested her in November. She had been arrested before this for using a false identification. She was apparently out of jail by the time they found her on the stalking charges. It's fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:13:41 If she could channel her rage the way he does she'd be a ceo that is that takes so much time and dedication to do all of that that's what i mean why don't you just fucking have a job lady that's what i'm saying what is this she could have had some going on like ebay or something like an amazing man with that kind of dedication or an etsy business something get your shit together in love with a man she doesn't know so karen karen angle is kurt's wife she's pregnant at the time too and karen says quote it's very scary to be told i wasn't going to make it through my pregnancy i was afraid to go to the grocery store i went in to have my baby and she was here in pittsburgh so this is what frightening so yeah then she's arrested again
Starting point is 01:14:21 in michigan and she's in detroit jail being it's to be an extradited to Pittsburgh here, which should take a couple months. The police officer said the young man has been terrorized. His wife has been terrorized. They have been very afraid of this woman. Their life has really not been never been not been the same since this happened. Also, this woman's aunt, Sidon's aunt, says that the angles have harassed her with threatening phone calls they don't know her like I don't know her why would I threaten
Starting point is 01:14:50 and harass somebody I don't fucking know and yeah Kurt Angle said quote this girl has been stalking and harassing me for over a year terrorizing my whole family I'm completely relieved she's in jail now I want this to be over with my god Jesus that sucks man that's, that sucks, man.
Starting point is 01:15:06 That's bad. That sucks, but not as bad as this. There's a rough patch here. September 15, 2003, his sister Leanne dies. I believe she's 41 years old when she dies. She is a heroin addict and apparently dies of a heart attack, but it has something to do with. Sure. addict and apparently dies of a heart attack but it has something to do with sure she um kurt we'll get into heart uh angina heart charities for heart disease he's very much an active thing
Starting point is 01:15:34 and participant in charity for heart disease because apparently he said everyone in his family has heart disease and his grandfathers have all had heart attacks and yeah big deal so western pennsylvania uh it's the dude yeah it's an interesting you know you're right when we went to pittsburgh last year we got to the hotel we went down to the hotel restaurant yeah which was like a hockey bar which is an odd hotel restaurant yeah but a cool one it wasn't like oh weird it was like oh cool it's all brick and shit it was cool in there and it wasn't like you know new and it looked like it'd been there for 40 years yeah it was great they had these fucking pretzels that were amazing.
Starting point is 01:16:06 I'm dipping them in cheese sauce and they come out with these wings that were amazing. Whiskey barbecue. It was fucking delicious and awful for you. And if I ate like that every day, I would have a heart attack at 41. Yeah, not good. So apparently Kurt was devastated by this his sister dying obviously and uh he doesn't really talk about it for a long time either it's it's 10 years go by before he even publicly says anything about it uh he says that he put he just went out and did he went out and
Starting point is 01:16:37 put everything into work basically and didn't try not to think about it he uh he wrestled a scheduled one hour match with brock lesnar the day after she died that was one of those matches and it was a really good match apparently by all wrestling uh media standards everybody says it's a great match and uh he says angles later on will say now that i think about it probably not the best grieving mechanism no it's not really getting through it uh he said but he had to do it he said i i didn't deal with her death i went out there and had one of the best matches of my life and hid the pain so that's what people do um he uh there's an interesting thing here this is kind of one of
Starting point is 01:17:14 the last wrestling things on november of 2004 an episode of smackdown there's a segment of tough remember the show tough enough where they'd it was on mtv a while. They you have to remember that they bring. That's where John Cena came from. I think they bring in a bunch of people who wanted to be wrestlers and they'd have like, you know, it was a reality show of them in a house surviving and whoever wins gets a contract. That was the whole thing. And, you know, they have a bunch of wrestlers they found through that. And anyway, in the end, Angle challenges the finalists to do a squat thrust competition. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Okay. And whoever wins the prize is to have a match with Kurt Angle right now. Okay. So this kid won, Chris Narocki. I think he's the guy who does all the brain shit now, all the head trauma shit. Really? Yeah. Pretty positive.
Starting point is 01:18:04 I'm 99% positive. i'm 99 positive he's the guy who's like one of the main spearheading it one of the main cte that's a bad way to put it yeah for cte but he's one of the main sorry cte uh people that have been going since he was one of the first and really the loudest so this guy because he had a bunch of concussions and god okay so he's he's he's blaming it on on that yeah he had a bunch of concussions okay so uh apparently the so he gets to fight angle angle takes him down and puts him in a guillotine choke and all this shit and uh uh chris there gets to the ropes and has to break the hold and then he takes angle then takes him down with a leg takedown and all this type of shit anyway he breaks his kid's ribs jesus Kurt Angle breaks his kid's ribs he's going a little intense and this kid is not not a lot of people are built like built and have the same
Starting point is 01:18:55 just the same force as Kurt Angle and the resilience to be able to take it Brock Lesnar is one of the only people that he could really have things like that with. Nobody else can do it like him. They're just not trained for it. So he then challenges the other finalists. A kid named Daniel Pewter comes up, and he's in there. He comes up and challenges him, and he does MMA and shit on the side, this kid. So they wrestled a little bit. Now, Kurt, by the way, is hurt.
Starting point is 01:19:23 He's hurt. That's why he's doing this and he's not really he's got injuries and he also just wrestled this other kid like five seconds ago so uh this kid jumps in and they start wrestling around and this kid puts him in a fucking hold that kurt can't get out of oh and he's kind of fucked here um so uh what he does is it's a kimura lock, I guess. Oh, okay, so it's an MMA thing. Yes. So Pewter is on his back, and Angle's arm is locked in it. So Angle pushes him down with his arm so his shoulders go down quick, and the ref counts a quick three, even though the kid pops up.
Starting point is 01:19:56 He's just like, hey, you beat him, you beat him. And it pops him up, and they, hey, there we go, bouts over and all this type of shit. And Pewter said that he would have snapped his arm if he didn't if he didn't end the match he's like i could have snapped his fucking arm and uh this is what dave melzer says about it he's the wrestling observer guy he says quote it was real if you don't and he does all the behind the scenes shit they all give him information he says it was real if you don't follow fighting pewter had angle locked in in the kimura or key lock as taz called it although taz didn't let the move didn't let on that the move was fully executed uh not only was because he was the announcer not only
Starting point is 01:20:30 was angle not getting out of the move but most mma fighters would have tapped already angle couldn't tap for obvious reasons he couldn't let some student fucking beat him he's like the top star the ref counted a three even though pewter's shoulders weren't fully down trying to end the thing because the reality was angle would have been in surgery if it had gone a few seconds longer or pewter had not given up the hold so uh yeah that's when you get your legs wrapped around him and you're pulling the arm yeah i've seen that yeah that's a crazy move it will snap your arm it's impressive that kurt could put him on his back even to get a two count for that that's like strength there another guy here says quote as you would expect Kurt Angle was less than happy backstage at Smackdown after almost being forced to tap out
Starting point is 01:21:09 to tough enough contestant Daniel Pewter downright ticked off would probably be the best way to describe his mood the unscripted nature of the contest was the main reason that Angle was made to look so bad since Pewter just reacted to the situation and could have forced Angle to submit had the referees not thought quickly and counted a pin even though there wasn't one so uh yeah august of 2005 he is just fucking so many injuries by now he's broken down he's got neck and when your neck's fucked up it makes everything else fucked up it doesn't it doesn't regenerate man your neck when it's fucked it's fucked it's fucked i'm a mess it's yeah tell me about it discs that are that are collapsed and my hands go numb for three months of the year did you know me on the road man i'm a fucking you twist one way and it's over for three months yeah
Starting point is 01:21:53 i'm a fucking disaster i live on advil for months like like an unhealthy amount of ibuprofen you're gonna you're not supposed to have 15 a day and there's days on the road where i'm like well it's either that or not do this show. Or I hurt. That's it. So I got to be able to move. So I guess I get it. Even though no one's tackling me.
Starting point is 01:22:10 I just have to sit in a chair. Yeah, nobody's putting me in a Camora. Yeah, I still got to get on a plane though, which sucks. It's true. So anyway, it's at this point WWE suspends him after he fails a drug test. This is when they still have the wellness policy for steroids and shit I don't know if this was for steroids or whatever it was they won't say what
Starting point is 01:22:30 he got what he was on painkillers or whatever but I assume most of the guys were on painkillers back then probably pretty heavy yeah so so anyway August 2006 it's August 13th he's against Rob Van Dam who is he's an amazing fucking athlete.
Starting point is 01:22:47 Is he related? Related to who? The other one? Claude? Jean Claude? No, no. That's why he uses that nickname, because he does crazy moves like that. He does splits and shit.
Starting point is 01:22:56 Dude's a- Related to who? How dare you ask me that? Van Dam? I thought you meant related to Kurt Angle. I was like, huh? I slept for an hour and a half. I got it. I'm like, I don't know. No, I don't think. Why would he be related to kurt angle i was like huh i slept for an hour and a half i'm like i don't know no i don't think why would he be related to kurt angle that's weird
Starting point is 01:23:08 he's got a cousin i think i would have told you that i'm the idiot there that's not that's not on you it's a nickname right is that what you said yeah yeah that's not his he's got some long like polish name i can't remember what it is but that he uses that because that's how he fights incredible to watch dude's amazing he fucking does shit that nobody else does. It's crazy shit. So anyway, or back then he did anyway. So this was in White Plains, New York at an ECW show who WWE had bought by then and was putting on ECW shows.
Starting point is 01:23:36 So apparently during this match, he pulled a groin muscle, which happens, so he works through that. Then later on in the match, he detached an abdominal muscle from the pelvic bone. That probably hurts a little more. So now he's a little fucked up, and he said the crowd was into the match, so he didn't want to end it early,
Starting point is 01:23:55 so he kept going. Finally, then he blew out his hamstring, because you have all these injuries, and you're nursing things. It's not good. So that's a fucking problem and i finished the match and it turned out to be a good match and uh he says while he was on the on the on the mat later on he'll say i knew that was my last match for wwe yeah all
Starting point is 01:24:18 your muscles are off your skeleton well there's other problems with there. Basically, he he's all fucked up. He's bruised to shit. He says that he gets a call on August 15th from an agent from the WWE telling him that he needs to be ready for another match. And he told them now he said, I'm fucked up and I'm hurting. I'm not doing it. And so apparently after that, he said that, you know, he needed he couldn't he couldn't go out and do anything. Well, this hurt. He's like, I go out there, but i'm gonna look like shit and that's not
Starting point is 01:24:46 gonna work here he said uh that at the time he said quote and i'm never going near those things again i have too much at stake talking about painkillers my wife my children my family myself this is when his painkiller problem really becomes an issue because with his neck issue and he hurt himself he started having painkiller issues now it's becoming like a he needs it and yeah it's not even just for pain anymore it's his body requires it right yeah um so he uh august 15th he's after that match he talks to vince mcmahon and during the meeting he said that uh basically uh that he vince was treating him like he was garbage and uh he didn't understand that. This is what Vince does to people.
Starting point is 01:25:27 He takes people in who are needy people and gives them like a father figure when he wants them and then gets rid of them when he doesn't. And these people are all destroyed emotionally because they don't understand. They thought they were best friends with this guy when you're a piece of meat to him. That's why you weren't even an employee. Never mind a family member. You're not even an employee that's what i mean when he tells these guys you're this is the family wwe family i'm not even a fucking employee never mind a family member i don't even have health care you fucker you'd give your kid more than a 1099 i think wouldn't you fucking asshole so yeah angle said that he wanted to perform at wrestlemania this was before with a broken neck
Starting point is 01:26:06 back in the day there vince tried to tell him not to but uh he said that he told him he could because angle insisted which right away you say no you're not wrestling with a broken neck i'm not gonna let you get hurt more uh he said that he told he told angle that he loved him he said and that was a that was a big deal for him uh the the neck though was the what the painkiller problem really kind of had on and he wanted to cling to his spot because in wwe if you're hurt for a while and you go away when somebody else takes your spot and when you come back maybe you're down here now and now you got to get back to it so all these guys are paranoid to take any time off because their spot will be gone when they get back it's a really
Starting point is 01:26:43 fucking horrible way to live. I can't imagine. It's awful. Now, he says this about, basically, Vince McMahon was ready to fight him at one point. Oh? This was during 2006. Vince McMahon will get his ass kicked. I'll give him that.
Starting point is 01:26:55 When he fucked Bret Hart over, he went in the locker room, and he knew he was going to beat him up, and he said, I'm going in there to take my shot. He said, I owe him that. I lied to him. He was going to want to hit me. Let him hit him hit me he said let him take a shot at me told everybody don't get in his way fucking knocked his ass out he was like all right well
Starting point is 01:27:11 that was i earned that yeah so he'll take his lumps i'm still a billionaire i mean it is what it is it's like he'll do it if he has to it's that's you know so kurt says quote i decided i wanted to quit and my manager and i, we went to WWE headquarters in 2006. What happened was I injured myself really badly. My hamstring, my groin, there was blood all over across my genitals. What? My hamstring, both legs, running down both legs on the inside like bruising. Like it was bleeding.
Starting point is 01:27:40 I was like, how the fuck does that happen? Yeah, it's got blood on my dick now. It's weird. Hold my groin. My balls are soaked. Fucked up. He said it was really bad. I showed it to Vince when we had a meeting and I said, we need to talk, Vince, because
Starting point is 01:27:55 I'm really not doing very well. He says, quote, so he pulls out about five typed pages of text messages and phone calls. I left him and I'm reading and I'm like, it says, quote, Vince, I'm going to beat the shit out of you when I see you. Vince, you better answer the call or I'm going to kick your fucking ass. Really, really crazy stuff. At the time, unfortunately, I was apparently taking a lot of painkillers. I was taking SOMAs. Every once in a while, I would black out, and I'd be texting Vince.
Starting point is 01:28:23 Holy shit. He'd be texting his voice by his boss. I'm going to your ass i'm gonna do all this shit like yeah so you're not doing very well here read this yeah i know you're not doing well wow that was what he did he said so he showed me all of this and i'm like oh my god i actually said this stuff and he stood up and he took his jacket off and he says you want to kick my ass let's go right now which obviously that wouldn't last very long a two-second fight there and i looked at him and i'm like oh my god i can't believe vince mcmahon wants to beat my ass this guy's been my father figure for seven years i have too much respect for him to stand up also i'm in a lot of pain i can't stand so yeah
Starting point is 01:28:59 but he wanted to go and i left the room and i came back in and I just broke down and I said, Vince, I can't do this anymore. I need you to release me. And he did. And sometimes I look back and I wish he didn't, but it had to be done for me to save my life. And I know I wasn't representing WWE the way Vince needed me to, but he said that Vince was,
Starting point is 01:29:21 his remarks were kind of nasty and he didn't like it. He said, I love Vince. He's a great guy, but he treated me like a superhero. He wanted me to rehab on the road instead of at home. My doctor said I couldn't do that. Yeah, you can't do that
Starting point is 01:29:32 while you're traveling. Vince said that I was an Olympic gold medalist and I could overcome anything. Then one day, my Olympic gold medal didn't mean anything to him. So that was it.
Starting point is 01:29:42 Once he decided he wasn't as marketable, so he leaves and he goes to tna which is the half-assed other brand there with a chick now right in charge of it it's always been in charge of it well not only jeff jarrett started but then once it was a panda energy bought it it's her dad's company so then she's in charge that's how that works i want to buy daddy buy me wrestling right okay so i mean i want it now yeah she... I want it now. Yeah. She tries. I give her...
Starting point is 01:30:06 And I'm not saying it's because she's a woman, because Stephanie McMahon runs the fuck out of WWE. That's not the problem. It's not that at all. It's that she didn't know shit about wrestling. That's the problem. That's a big problem. It's just Stephanie McMahon was born into this.
Starting point is 01:30:17 She's like, you know, she's like fucking John Gotti or something like, you know, mob since childhood. Is she like 45 somewhere in there? Yeah. Yeah. She's a little older than us right but she like grew up with it all in life every day oh there's she knows she's very well immersed you look in the 80s there's spots there's she's all over the place
Starting point is 01:30:34 you can see her stephanie mcmahon shane too they're always hanging around there she was hot so he says uh believes wwe he says that he chose tna he chose tna over staying with wwe and going to rehab he needed to go to rehab to stay in wwe because his pill his pill problem was bad he was threatening to kick vince mcmahon's ass and everything else he says quote in 2006 when i quit or when i asked for a release vince wanted me to go to rehab he said i want you to go for a couple months and come back in six months and we'll start your contract back up. So I said, no, I didn't want to do that.
Starting point is 01:31:10 So I decided I'm going to leave. I'm going to go to TNA. I had the option to stay in WWE and go to rehab or leave and go to TNA, and I don't regret it. I loved my career in TNA. I loved Dixie Carter. She was incredibly good to me. But what sucks is my best
Starting point is 01:31:25 phase of my career was in tna as good as i was in wwe and i was the best there and i was yeah i was the best there i got better in tna and unfortunately the wwe fans will never see those matches so yeah um he says uh later on that uh he felt guilty about being a liability to vince mcmahon as well and uh that sort of shit. Everybody said once he got to TNA, all he talked about was Vince McMahon all the time. Everything like that. Well, Vince does it like this. Calm down.
Starting point is 01:31:53 What are you, a chick from Michigan? Yeah, come on. Jesus. Stop stalking him. Get off his dick, dude. So he says at this point that his wife got him off drugs. She helped him the most. He says, quote, I was a junkie.
Starting point is 01:32:08 And he was hooked on painkillers. He said he was taking Percocet, Vicodin, Norco, Lorset. He was popping as many as 65 pills a day. Those are the good ones. Oh, boy. He said, quote, it tore my soul apart. I missed the first two years of my daughter's life. He said, painkillers are like heroin.
Starting point is 01:32:24 They are. More than very much. Exactly. Exactly. They are equal to. first two years of my daughter's life he said painkillers are like heroin they are more than exactly exactly they are equal to nailed it same thing he said when you get caught up in it you start taking 10 or 20 i was up to 65 a day i had to take 18 to get out of bed wow jesus i went to the pharmacy every other day i found a way to get 10 different doctors to get my prescriptions. It worked out perfectly. Every other day I got 120 pills. My first priority was to get to the pharmacy. Holy shit, James. Oh my
Starting point is 01:32:54 God. At that point, your life is just revolving around getting it. That is wild. And for him, he just has to go to the pharmacy. 120 of them every two days. That's it. Who are you, Rush every two days that's it who are you rush limbaugh yeah yeah who do you think you are a fat blowhard come on you're an athlete sir he says call it stupidity or call it bravery i'm not going to rob the fans people expect to see
Starting point is 01:33:17 kurt angle and they don't expect to see me take it easy i treat professional wrestling the same way as the olympics i don't know any way. And so he just kept taking pills and doing it. He said that he credits his wife with saving his life. He said, there's no doubt in my mind that she's the reason I'm still alive. She was trying to teach me the teach me things and get me help. And I wouldn't listen. He said that his relationship is very good. Now, his wife says his wife said, quote, all the rumors were untrue.
Starting point is 01:33:44 I heard that I was getting a divorce. Oh, he saidrue. I heard that I was getting a divorce. Oh, he said this. I heard that I was getting a divorce because I beat her and that she was cheating on me. Everything. It was ridiculous. We're fine. And then he says, quote, I'm fine. I know a lot of people in Pittsburgh were worried.
Starting point is 01:33:58 They thought Kurt Angle was not going to make it. I'm not going anywhere. So, yeah, after this is when he starts his new cocktail of drugs. What is that? It is, yeah, he gets off of that cocktail and starts a new one of morphine Xanax and booze. That's a little step up. That is different. My God.
Starting point is 01:34:16 That is, wow. That's getting the most strong painkiller and then emphasizing it. Yeah, kicking it up a notch. And then chilling myself out with as zanuck wow that's a nice friday night that's a oh boy if your heart doesn't stop that's wild jesus morphine morphine holy so uh he makes his debut with tna and in september of 2006 that is the moment of the year for tna at the end of the year, they say. A morphined up of tornadoes. There he is.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Hi, guys. So March 2007, a steroid scandal breaks, and he's right in the middle of it. Of course. Of course. It is basically the DEA raid. It's a code name Operation Netroids. Okay. They converged on Applied Pharmacy services, which was a compounding pharmacy.
Starting point is 01:35:06 That's one that makes its own drugs generically. They make the compound creams and all that. Yeah, just generic shit. They seized client records, revealed the names of more than 20 athletes in a variety of sports who received drugs from the pharmacy. And these are all illegal steroids and performance enhancing. Gary Matthews Jr., the outfielder kurt angle is on this list of course he received what does it say here uh received two prescriptions for trenbolone and one for whoa nandro loan between yep jesus if it's got dro in it that's testosterone i guess i don't
Starting point is 01:35:41 know um yeah so this was was October 2004, February 2005. Also on this list, Jose Canseco, John Rocker. So who's who of assholes here? This is wonderful. Christ. And you know, it's real when Jose's name's on it. You know, it's real. He'll tell you about it.
Starting point is 01:35:57 Oh, yeah. I went there. That guy was all right. They were fine. It was good, but I prefer this other place. This guy. Let me tell you. David Bell, Jerry Harrison Jr. Really? All these big major league players. it's good but i prefer this other place this guy let me tell you uh david bell jerry harrison
Starting point is 01:36:05 jr all really all these big major league players oh my god i met jerry yeah he was in uh he came to a club show yeah well i didn't know he was a that makes sense when i told him that we do a show called crime and sports he goes what's it about and i was like you know all the fucking roid freaks and and his eyes just like got big he's like yeah check that out hey those allow me to hit 14 home runs a year instead of fucking three so chill out man oh poor jerry oh my god i had no idea yeah jesus christ so he said that he needed steroids this is kurt on. So he needed steroids to recover from his broken neck, and he wanted to get them legally, but his doctor wouldn't let him. So he went online illegally and bought them for cheaper. So he could.
Starting point is 01:36:54 That's what he tells about the doctor that he so he could make money for off of me. The doctor robbed me is what happened. Basically, according to this whole thing. How does this work here it's he says that the drugs that he received were uh uh they said that it's a hormone administered to beef cattle oh the uh trenbolone they're shooting up it's beef cattle yeah that's what they gave him beef cattle steroids they said that the drug is many times stronger than testosterone and illegal for human use so uh it's not even for people no no they got him bull steroids
Starting point is 01:37:32 like that's crazy that's what the doctor said that's why i said the doctor ripped him off he's probably got i mean i'm sure they worked but oh i'm sure they did you know he's he's mooing around that's a little weird it's a and they're like, his new catchphrase is moo. What are you chewing, sir? It's very cud. Really? Okay. Kurt needs to be milked, and he'll be at the ring very shortly.
Starting point is 01:38:01 His udders are heavy, and we can't send him out there like that. What the fuck is happening? In between takes, he goes out and trims the lawn with his mouth. It's wild. I don't get it. It's what he likes. He said, I'm grazing. That's it.
Starting point is 01:38:18 So October 3rd, 2007, police get a phone call saying that there's a vehicle that left a bar, restaurant in Moon Township, which is Pennsylvania. And it was a Cadillac Escalade a white one and it's Kurt Angle driving of course a woman called to say that he almost hit her and in his car and was seemed intoxicated so the police went to his house and uh he still smelled like alcohol they said he showed signs of intoxication and they explained that someone had reported his erratic driving. They gave him a field sobriety test, which he failed. And yeah, his lawyer, though, he's got the silverest of silver-haired middle-aged white men. They are fucking intensely aggressive about little things.
Starting point is 01:38:56 His lawyer here says, quote, Kurt has no knowledge of this happening. He doesn't know anybody that was there, and he didn't even know anything had occurred until police came knocking on his door an hour later asking to interview him. And the lawyer also says about the field sobriety test, we respectfully disagree with the police's opinion that he failed. Wait, what? In fact, we have independent witnesses that said Kurt did very well on the test.
Starting point is 01:39:19 What? Yeah. Independent. We have things that can't be independent witnesses, quote unquote, that said he did, quote, very well. It's a pass fail. You know, the independent witnesses said they've never seen anyone do this well. It's unheard of. It was the best they've ever seen.
Starting point is 01:39:39 The best sobriety test anyone's ever taken. Ever taken. Ever. It was wild. It was wild. He was hopping on one foot while touching his fingers both noses and singing hava nagila backwards so um yeah during this angle was allowed to call his agent and uh which is odd and as he was advised not to submit to a blood test by his agent
Starting point is 01:40:02 so uh yeah the police the lawyer says the police had no firsthand knowledge of him operating the vehicle and they didn't have evidence of him operating the vehicle while intoxicated. That's the thing. They don't know he was behind the wheel. Anybody could have been behind the wheel. They don't know if he could have got home and fucking drank a half a bottle of whiskey in the time that elapsed. You can't get a guy two hours later at home and say he's drunk when you don't even know
Starting point is 01:40:21 he was driving. Sorry, you missed the boat on that one. You know, you blew it. I beat you. that's all i win that's it so they the lawyer said that their whole uh his failed sobriety test is going to be their whole case because they don't have anything else so they have to tell him he failed so 2008 in september he goes to dui court for uh dui and careless driving his attorney said that it was unlike any case he'd ever been involved in yeah it's one for the ages it's dui it's just because they don't have him behind the wheel at the time that's why he's saying that right i guess so well also they said
Starting point is 01:40:57 because he was allowed to call his agent and then he didn't submit to a blood test which i would have not advised him to not submit to a blood test because then they automatically suspend your license which is what happens to kurt here so the verdict comes in not guilty really it should be not how the fuck would you say he's like i just said there's a reasonable doubt all over this shit i mean i could have been the lawyer and went uh how long does it take to get drunk like longer than the fucking 20 minutes it's well then yeah he could have drank a shitload that wasn't him in the car right i'll give you 20 excuses right now that'll give you a reasonable proof to me that he was in the car and we'll number one and we'll have a conversation then we'll talk about whether he was drunk in the car and how you're going to prove that rather than when he
Starting point is 01:41:35 was home so it's just silly he probably was drunk and missed somebody but you can't prove that shit so yeah they cleared him of all charges except his license is suspended for refusing the and that's what happens when you listen to your fucking agent and not your lawyer exactly don't take a blood test his agent would be like that'd be bad his agent goes for me i'll have to explain why your blood alcohol level is too high so don't take that test that's bad for me but he didn't care about the lawyer would be like fucking give them whatever they want they can't prove shit let's say you have to give them that that's the law otherwise your license is suspended other shit we'll talk about so 2008 finally later in 2008 uh after this he and his wife karen get divorced oh no so that's over with
Starting point is 01:42:16 and um yeah uh the problem is why they got divorced or who she ended up with after they got divorced because he brought his wife into the business with him really she was on tv and shit and tna so yeah um oh by the way he had his brother working tv and for wwe in like 2003 too which was weird but on set you know he was working as a wrestler oh wow kind of like his like a i remember that yeah like a doppelganger type of thing i will find out later because yeah i think it's his is eric i think it's either eric or david those are the two that have problems later so we'll talk about them so they finalize their divorce and uh the problem is she ends up with jeff jarrett who's the co-owner of tna so essentially jeff jarrett stole the wife of his employee which is really not cool unethical super super uncool shit to do i mean that is that's gross really really fucking bad imagine that's wild showing up your job and
Starting point is 01:43:14 your boss has your fucking wife if i'm not mistaken jeff charrott's wife her first wife died of cancer i want to say oh that's like any like a like a 30 or some really young age so i want don't quote me on but i'm almost 90 sure that his first wife died of cancer so if I want to say. Oh, that's terrible. Like a 30, some really young age. So don't quote me on it, but I'm 90% sure that his first wife died of cancer. So if he finds somebody he likes, maybe he just had to latch on to it. And all bets are off at that point. So anyway, yeah. So they continued to work all together for years, which is awkward.
Starting point is 01:43:40 And it happens. Steve Austin, Chris Adams, that was the same thing. That was a student teacher. That was the same thing. They was the same thing. That was a student teacher. That was the same thing. They had the same woman. It's a weird thing. So late March 2009, he goes on Howard Stern here. And yeah, he goes on there. He's been divorced for two months.
Starting point is 01:43:57 It's to talk about his divorce. And he says to Howard Stern, a quote, I got her in the business. That's what went wrong in the marriage. Because he said, what went wrong? He said, I got her in the business that's what went wrong in the marriage because he said what went wrong he said I got her in the business that's what went wrong he said that uh yeah she uh you know she began working for the company he says quote I believe I don't know who but I believe she met somebody else and she asked me for a divorce whoever it is if she's with somebody they're keeping it quiet um but I think that was just a wrestling angle because pretty
Starting point is 01:44:23 sure that he knew they all worked together. I'm pretty sure he knew it was going on. I heard this interview because I listened to every single one of them back then. And I would like to know what the fuck was he promoting when he was on there? It was an angle between him and Jeff Jarrett probably. Really? Or something like that. Promoting some show?
Starting point is 01:44:36 Just whatever. Yeah, general. And this happened too with Chris Benoit and Kevin Sullivan. Chris Benoit stole the woman he eventually killed. So there you go. I mean, I wonder what he was on howard's show for to promote so to promote maybe this book maybe yeah but it was that's true he says quote i'm always on the road i'm proud of uh wrestling for tna we've done a lot in the last two and a half years since i've been there i was getting tired i go to bed at 10 30 11 at night and she didn't want to stay in the hotel
Starting point is 01:45:03 room she'd go down to the bar but she'd come back at seven in the morning and i'd be like the bar closes at two what are you doing the last five hours that's a good point she'd say she was hanging out in the lobby with her friends no so i knew something was going on yeah that's a terrible excuse that's a terrible excuse for anybody in the room that's hanging in the lobby what do you what do you say between two and seven there's come on any answer you give is the wrong answer bad stuff there yeah everything's bad so he uh yeah he said that he also cheated on his wife a couple of times and all that so he's like you know i guess it is what it is it's all in the game it's all in the game baby so he says that he started dating a female wrestler for tna uh known as raka khan her name was um yeah okay so they
Starting point is 01:45:48 asked him if he you know does your ex-wife hit you with a lot of child support and all that kind of shit because that's the type of shit howard wants to know and he said quote she's a millionaire she gets paid well uh she's a good mother i don't mind as long as she spends it on my kids yeah so he wasn't mad at that they talk about drugs and he talked about all of that he said that um you know he said he was taking shit like percocet 55 you know do the 65 pills a day and all that shit he uh he talks about how the whole thing i talked about how he rather than go to rehab he went to tna and he uh said that he has made up with Vince McMahon since then on a personal level. So July 2009 is when it all comes out publicly that his wife and Jeff Jarrett are together. And I think it all came out in a goddamn wrestling angle-y type of way. But they were still together.
Starting point is 01:46:36 It was still true. Because they ended up getting married. So definitely it wasn't a joke. So August 15, 2009, Angle is in a live-in relationship with uh trinit trinitia biggers that's raka khan that's her real name trinitia biggers they're living together and uh in an affidavit of probable cause well when we start out there it says quote uh angle attacked biggers in his moon township home on august 6th but she did not go to the police until nine days later showing them bruises and scratches she said were from the attack
Starting point is 01:47:08 so she went there he gets arrested order of protection on him he's not supposed to be around her so later that morning literally later that more like before pre eight o'clock we're talking in the morning he's free on bond and
Starting point is 01:47:23 he violates his protection of order already within an hour of it being issued. This is fucking crazy. She is at a Starbucks in Robinson Town Center at 8 a.m. Okay. She said to use the Internet because she was scared to use the computer at Angle's house because she knew he looks at all of her stuff. So in the complaint, she said she saw angle circle the parking lot three times staring at her while she was outside oh that's horrifying yeah not good so they say that he left the starbucks and headed to a nearby giant eagle supermarket
Starting point is 01:47:57 and uh or she she left the starbucks i'm sorry went to the supermarket and called 9-1-1 when police arrived he was there but he said he wasn't stalking her they got t-bones on sale yeah it's totally i just needed to stop over here i was thinking about starbucks i gave it a couple of passes i said that line's too long look at that so he uh they stopped him in the car obviously and they told he told police that they had had an altercation last night and that he had she had had him removed from the residence. He said, though, he didn't stalk her at all. He was just looking for a hotel since he can't go back to his house.
Starting point is 01:48:31 Yeah. You know, so I go to Starbucks to find hotels. Starbucks. And if that fails, then I go to the produce. Exactly. Always works. Always works. So she reports to the police also that he had taken possession.
Starting point is 01:48:46 He stole her Blackberry. This is at the time. This is Blackberry times. Stole her Blackberry. And she feared that he was erasing text messages and photos that showed injuries she suffered during their altercation. She had it all documented. So police end up recovering the cell phone from him. He did take it from her, which you can't fucking do.
Starting point is 01:49:04 Yeah. the cell phone from him he did take it from her which you can't fucking do um yeah so his silver haired middle-aged white man michael santa cola who we gotta say his name if he's gonna be this full of shit he said uh angle was on his way to a hotel after police removed him from his house and biggers just happened to be at the starbucks at the same time that's your excuse dude dude i can't get a hotel without a fucking macchiato come on man how do you say that shit without laughing honestly like i just happen to be there see i come on man everybody goes to starbucks that's well yeah the likelihood of this is not as crazy as you think you know come on they all stare at people as they circle three times the uh spokesman for tna silver can be, said no comment on this one.
Starting point is 01:49:48 We are good on that. He's our top guy, so we're going to back out. Yeah, so now it's another protective order. He's barred from his house. And he says he never physically harmed her or did anything that would cause her to ask for police protection. that would cause her to ask for police protection. Oh, by the way, the responding officer wrote in the criminal complaint also said that he found a, quote, capped syringe and two vials of human growth hormone inside the car he was driving as well.
Starting point is 01:50:13 And he said he had a prescription for the HGH. And they also, they filed drug possession charges and driving with a suspended license because he has no license. That's a great point. Refused the blood test. Yeah, so there's all of that they arrest him now the drug possession charges are later dropped because he does have a prescription for the hgh so that's okay he can have that shit and uh but the license suspension is still an issue uh he says quote it was supposed to help with my overall as the hgh
Starting point is 01:50:40 with my overall health and getting the strength into my neck to function, it didn't make me bigger. As a matter of fact, I only weigh 205, 210. I'm not a very big guy, not in pro wrestling. I don't use it for that. So, yeah. He is still charged with harassment and driving on a suspended license. So, still wrestling while he's out on bail, though. They don't, like, take him off the road or anything like that because he is the TNA heavyweight champ.
Starting point is 01:51:04 Really? So, of everybody, including the female division apparently uh getting everybody so he can't go home no very upset he uh a few hours after returning to pittsburgh from orlando where he had been with tna here he's on the news wtae channel 4 telling michelle wright the reporter that's her name it says here that he can't back get back into his home because the woman is still there it's very sad he broke into tears during the interview he broke into i'll say it again he broke into tears during the interview he says quote i didn't do anything wrong and i was sitting there in the allegheny county jail just thinking why i even started dating this girl i can't believe she did this to me. I don't even know
Starting point is 01:51:46 when I'm allowed back in my own home. He said there was no fight at all. We didn't even have an argument. He said he just doesn't understand it. He says that they've been dating for 10 months. He allowed her to stay in his house, but she started getting mail sent there, so now he has nowhere to go
Starting point is 01:52:01 because there's a PFA. So somebody just takes over your house yeah took it over that's how it works if you let somebody stay once they get mail it's their house it's just their house now that's it he says that she might be acting out of spite because i don't want to marry her that's what he says he says she asked me for an engagement ring the week before he says that uh he asked her to take or that she asked him to take his car and go to the store early saturday soon after that he says the moon police were at his door telling him to leave because he went back to the house too which was another thing he couldn't do he said
Starting point is 01:52:35 he only had a few moments to grab some things including his gold medal medal for sentimental value right as he left the house and let's let's give him an in their own words because he's very sad he's talking about his gold medal here it's really let's let him mush it up a little bit so let's give him in their own words quote she has taken over my house everything that i own everything is in there since i was five years old that's all i've ever worked for once i won that i tried everything i could to do better than that pro wrestling movies but nothing will ever match that so i guess that's why it's so special to me i didn't know it was so easy to take somebody's house i didn't know i'm going shopping tonight yeah i'm just gonna knock on the door change my address get
Starting point is 01:53:15 all the shit sent there and i'm gonna show up be like obviously you know what's happening like the new borat movie he could have just taken that goes to guy's house right if he wanted it like just i live here now that's all me and the police showing up you guys gonna have to leave the southwest gas bill is here that's yeah so um yeah the the attorney santa cola he's back silver as ever and uh he says that uh that the driver's license suspension is under appeal and this is bullshit and you know everything's crazy he said that uh angle told uh uh told him that his character has been ruined. So he's planning to file a defamation lawsuit. He's doing all this shit.
Starting point is 01:53:52 And, you know, he says it's just ridiculous. Kurt says, quote, My ex-wife has supported me. She told everybody about the kind of person I really am. He's free on bail. He says, quote, I just hope the hearing goes okay so i can get back into my house and move on with my life that's all i want i don't want any trouble i just want my life back later that week he has the ultimate teen challenge oh that he has to do that's horrible it's kurt angles 2009 ultimate team challenge okay and it's at pittsburgh's hilton hotel he's
Starting point is 01:54:24 gonna see how many teens he can back to back in this fucking thing it's quote calling all teen athletes are you the most conditioned and strongest team in the tri-state area see if you can keep my cock out of your ass now is your time to show it i'm gonna be nude oiled up and ready for some fucking action so can you get out of it um yeah kurt angle and the uh q might classic jesus that sounds gross would come in there um that's not good especially with all this uh teams of teams of teens from the surrounding tri-state area for strength and competition exercises like the chin up to bench press blah blah blah blah blah five thousand dollars in prize money holy shit whoop-dee-doo um dave hawk the challenge the challenge promoter said i love the heart and determination of all the young women bring to the field for this competition
Starting point is 01:55:15 calm down mister they are tough and just don't quit that's what he said exclamation point about young women wow jesus this is wild so you're looking for ultimate teen athletes between 13 and 19. Oh, my. He's like, I'm looking for very athletic teens taught between 13 and, say, 19. This is gross. I want every possible teen. The events, the 45-pound water drug relay and rack. Water drug.
Starting point is 01:55:47 Each member had to carry six to 12 water chugs down a 30-foot course, placing them onto a rack, while another team member pulled them from the rack and took them back to the course finish line. The tire flip competition. Total gym body pullover. Okay. 40-yard shuttle run. And that is, yeah. So september 2009 court for his last arrest the uh she doesn't show up biggers doesn't show up for the hearing on the assault here uh hearings rescheduled 2009 she drops the order of protection against him uh biggers does she uh
Starting point is 01:56:22 dropped it at a court here or prior to the court hearing that was supposed to take place in its place was a civil court agreement that orders angle and con to stay away from each other completely for three years unless wrestling schedules force them to cross each other because she works at dna also so not for long though because he's the champ so sorry um you're gonna end up probably going uh angle got off basically scott free out of all this shit here um so they said his lawyer said quote the advantage for mr angle is out is now mr biggers and ms biggers is required to follow the order as well she's not to contact him she's not to text him she's not to email him i think although a settlement was reached it was
Starting point is 01:57:02 this was a great result it protects ms Biggers for a period of over three years. That's her lawyer saying that. So, yeah. December 1st, 2009, the movie Endgame comes out. Have I seen that? Probably not. No? An officer's job turns into a personal tragedy when his family is kidnapped by the deranged killer he's investigating.
Starting point is 01:57:19 What? Oh, my. It's a $200,000 budget. Okay. And it's got 1.9 out of 10 stars on IMDb. It's a good show. Here is a review of this film. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:29 Zero stars horrible is the heading. This movie is the worst movie I have seen. I know it is a low budget film, but this was horrible. I watched like three minutes of this movie and couldn't stand it. Fast forward and it was still not cutting it. Waste of time and money. I even took time to write this because it was so awful never reviewed a movie but had to for this one jesus christ kurt angles acting is real bad same with the other actors do not watch same with the other people same with everyone who nobody knows who they are
Starting point is 01:58:01 nope uh now that same year the wrestling observer the you know publication names him the wrestler of the decade oh for the the aughts i guess out of everybody everybody yeah that was a good time for wrestling it was i can't think of anybody really who lasted the whole decade because he came out like 2000 is when he really blew up apart from the rock and the undertaker but i mean the rock got out of it by then he was he was yeah he was 2004 he was done he was kind of out doing movies i mean you know undertaker wasn't he's kind of more of an attraction now he wasn't working like this yeah he's not yeah then he was still working but he wasn't at the whole time right this is different march 25th 2011 in north dakota oh why is kurt in North Dakota? I'd love to know.
Starting point is 01:58:45 Who the fuck knows? He is arrested, though. Oh, boy. On March 25th, 2011 for actual physical control of a vehicle while intoxicated. They approached his car, which was parked in the median of the highway. So that's a sign. Yeah. If you see a car parked in the median, something's up.
Starting point is 01:59:03 Yeah. You know, either the car's fucked up or the person driving this one of the two two are possible and one is for sure absolutely uh he is given a field sobriety test and other ones here uh yeah field sobriety test and he fails that he's sitting behind the wheel the wheel on Interstate 29 for some reason there. It's the north and south. Yeah, he's charged with the DUI back in 2007.
Starting point is 01:59:31 As we know, this is the second one. He ends up being sentenced for this. This is terrible here. They end up dismissing the drunk driving charge on some technicality, but he does plead guilty to reckless driving and they give him you sir may fuck off 10 day suspended jail sentence oh boy
Starting point is 01:59:53 they are man 475 dollars in fines dead serious in north dakota that's right oh and he has to undergo a chemical dependency evaluation now he said this was bullshit um he said it was garbage he said that the car had slid into snow and uh and ice and that's what happened and he was the road was completely dry there was literally zero ice on the road no snow had snowed in days it's a lot yeah they look yeah they were like i know it was fucking dry out there because that was in the report and he was like i slipped on the ice and ended up here and was worried that my car was messed up. All right. All righty.
Starting point is 02:00:31 So March 29, 2011, the movie River of Darkness comes out. Oh, my. He's really acting. Oh, wait till you see. When brutal murdering starts. What the fuck? This is the synopsis here when brutal murdering starts in a small riverside town the sheriff must investigate and face the horrific past kurt plays sheriff
Starting point is 02:00:53 will logan oh he's the sheriff he's the sheriff and kevin nash is also in this the wrestler and sid vicious is in this as well the wrestler yes So this is chock full of wrestlers. Somehow, it's like a horror movie, too. We're supposed to take this shit serious. And somehow somebody spent $3.2 million making this. Wow. Can you imagine? I wouldn't pay those guys $3.2 million to wrestle, and they're good at that.
Starting point is 02:01:23 I certainly wouldn't pay them that to act, so I don't know what the fuck happened. All that to get 2.0 stars out of 10 on imdb jesus christ this is somebody's passion project james yeah they were like a big wrestling fan and they're like two things i love yeah it's filmmaking a horror film and wrestling there's three things i love kevin nash yeah and kurt angle yeah and also horror films and i can't wait to mash it all together and lose my ass. Yeah, it's not. Full disclosure, I have cast a wrestler in a movie. Yeah? In a much different way, though.
Starting point is 02:01:53 Much different way. You didn't have him play the lead of a slasher film? No, I didn't. Or any of the other. No. I literally had a movie that never got made because my friend died and he was the lead and the producer. And I didn't want to make it after that because i wrote it for him but the movie when we were going to produce it this was in like 2008 um as we were producing it i got the sandman
Starting point is 02:02:14 yeah fucking james fullington the sandman to agree to be in the movie and uh it was a perfect part he was playing like a white trash neighbor perfect who's just chain smokes and he's like he's like, ah, he's just like this guy is just drinking beer. Literally himself. And I said, you know, you're going to play yourself. Just do it. Good with that. I was like, literally, we'll fuck with like, that's that's how you do a wrestler. Easiest thing you can do.
Starting point is 02:02:35 Not anything to do with. Instead. And action. Kurt, you're now a sheriff. Kurt, be the sheriff. No, I just had him be a white trash neighbor. And I didn't even end up happening. But that was the that was the sheriff no i just had him be a white trash neighbor and i just didn't even end up happening but that was the that was the idea the sheriff in charge of stopping murder stopping
Starting point is 02:02:50 kevin nash from murdering people okay sure why not so uh this 2.10 like i said two stars out of 10 uh user review this film is scary for the wrong reasons the reason this uh be uh the reason being that this was made at all if you're a wrestling fan looking for the novelty of seeing kurt angle sid vicious and kevin nash outside of the ring please realize it's not worth it nash and sid are unrecognizable and rarely out of the darkness and kurt's acting is so appalling you'll turn away and cringe so you won't see him much either in fact if you doubt that fact check out the fact check out the other movie starring kurt he's an unbelievable athlete and in my opinion the greatest all greatest all around her in the history of wrestling but outside of the ring he falls apart and cannot be taken
Starting point is 02:03:39 seriously the acting is beyond awful the special effects are preschool and the storyline is recycled there's nothing good to say about this film and I hope all involved are ashamed of themselves. I want to see it so bad. And 13 of 15 people found this review helpful. So that's probably the consensus. Can we watch that and do a bonus episode on it? Yes, we can. We are going to watch that movie and do a bonus episode on it.
Starting point is 02:04:01 I want to tear Kevin Nash apart. Me too. I want to make fun of him. Because he lives here and he can find us and pummel so handsome he's gigantic too he's a giant handsome monster he's gonna kill us both doesn't deserve to be in movies no he doesn't hey asshole you have enough you're seven feet tall and handsome and famous isn't that good now i saw that fucking jerk in a blockbuster video and i was like that exists what the fuck is that i saw him at the outback what is it with running into kevin nash and like fucking real low lower right why is
Starting point is 02:04:31 he in working class businesses it was a friday night at the outback literally blooming onion he had a fucking buzzer in his hand i'm not kidding he got buzzed before us he was standing outside with a buzzer this was 1998 you get a table at the outback this was 98 99 he was on tv three times a week he's the most hugely famous wrestler there's a buzzer with a led vibrator that's right i was like wow that's wild man what a life kev what a life you lead kev i'm jealous bro also you can't get death becomes her on dvd this week they're all out that's hilarious that's unreal working class life uh so september 4th 2011 this is the same year as the north dakota incident this is down in virginia oh um he is arrested again
Starting point is 02:05:22 charged with driving under the influence again. Here he's pulled over for swerving between lanes on the I-66. God damn it. I-66 lane swerving. Not good. State police revealed that his initial blood test at the scene where he was stopped by police showed a blood alcohol concentration of 0.091, which is over the 0.08 limit there. The test was later ruled not admissible. And when a second test that was taken at the police station has to be, which is like an
Starting point is 02:05:52 hour later, it's dissipated, has to become the main test. That shows an alcohol concentration of 0.06. You lucky fuck. You lucky motherfucker. So they dropped the DUI charge. Again, reckless driving, though, still. He does also admit to texting while driving during this thing he's like i'm not drunk i'm texting like that's not better it's almost way worse because you're just staring you're making a
Starting point is 02:06:14 choice to be an idiot you're not even looking at the road at least when you're drunk you're like is that the road what at least if you're drunk you can go fuck i was drunk i didn't even know what i was doing you're texting sober that's fucking worst here so the cops brought in a specialist for the second test though to make sure it was right though because you know they're i don't know small town cops are not good at so they actually bring in a specialist for that for this person because the the first machine i guess is broken so this guy's going to come in he's going to repair the machine. He's going to do the second one. He comes in. He arrives and it's Paul Calhoun. Fooled you there. Shit pipe enthusiast.
Starting point is 02:06:50 And he says Hey guy how is it you come to arrive here? I'm cleaning out the breathalyzer machine, and it's filled with shit, even. You've clogged the shit pipes in not only your life, but the plumbing, the goddamn, the frigging breathalyzer. These fucking people, they don't know what they're doing. They're like, hey, fix this goddamn thing.
Starting point is 02:07:19 It's full of shit, and Percocets are in there. They got fucking morphines and Xanaxes a boo fucking wild turkey bottle in there what the fuck is going on here i'm taking these with me hey i'm not gonna lie take them with me take them with me you never know it's a tough job i'm um i gotta get in crawl spaces for christ's sake but you you fucked your whole life up what are you doing for christ's stop fucking up you're a fucking olympic hero i'm a goddamn bum and i'm looking down on you doesn't that make you sad yeah you fucking your shit your life your shit pipes are clogged that's all i'm gonna say i gotta get out of poof
Starting point is 02:07:49 and a poof of shit and pipes i gotta get to the outback with kevin gotta get to the outback he's got the buzzer he's waiting on a table for the two of us gotta go now i told him if it comes early get an onion by the time i get, it'll be on the table. I'll stop by and pick up Good Will Hunting for us. Stop by. It's going to be good. It's going to be a good time. Give that to your house.
Starting point is 02:08:11 Hey, all right. How do you like them apples? How do you like them apples? Hey. Oh, I'm having fun here. Unbelievable. So, Engle, he's taken to the Warren County Jail for DUI and later posted a $2,000 bond. His attorney, a new silver-haired middle-aged white man named Frank Smith, tells TMZ that his client was asked to submit to a breathalyzer test and passed.
Starting point is 02:08:35 Didn't bother with the first one. He said, we understand Kurt will be entering a plea of not guilty in response to any infractions or offenses. He said the cops are just trying to make an example of him. Or they're enforcing the law. Or he was swerving back across two fucking lanes of traffic on a fucking highway. So they said, oh, they didn't go. I hope that's a famous person. So I can make an example of them.
Starting point is 02:08:55 Holy shit. That guy's tanked. Let's fucking pull him over before he kills somebody. If you're swerving back and forth, I hate cops pulling people over. If they're swerving back, pull them the fuck over. Get them off the road at that point, because I don't drive drunk. Jump on my tail because I'm doing 10 over. Calm down.
Starting point is 02:09:10 At least I'm not drunk. You leave me the fuck alone. Don't follow people about their taillights. You got a license plate light. No, not that. Leave him alone. This. This.
Starting point is 02:09:17 Bad. I'm on their side on this one. The guy with the taillight out isn't crashing into old ladies. No, this is frightening. So that guy could be asleep at the wheel swerving back and forth there. So, yeah, he will not be prosecuted that comes out after further review because they're trying to make such an example out of him. They said that it was measured at.06 and they're not going to bother with the first one. So, A, it's a freebie.
Starting point is 02:09:40 Freebie for you, Kurt. We don't have any way of progressing on this case. Yeah. We'll lose. So get the fuck out of here. So whatever. Yeah, you have famous lawyers where it's a small-town DUI. I'm not going to deal with this. You win again, Kurt.
Starting point is 02:09:52 You're rich, I guess. Fucking jerk. I guess that means you're rich. Sorry. September 9th, 2011 here, the movie Warrior comes out. Oh, my God. Oh, baby, Warrior. Quote, the youngest son of an alcoholic boxer returns home where he's trained by his father for competition in a mixed martial arts tournament, a path that puts the fighter on a collision course with his estranged older brother.
Starting point is 02:10:14 You know, because he doesn't do that. Yeah. But this movie is actually a good movie. I've never seen it, but it stars Tom Hardy, Nick Nolte, Kevin Dunn. Brian Callen's in this movie, which is weird. I'm sure someone got diddled there. No one on set. Oh, there's a woman on here, Jennifer Morrison.
Starting point is 02:10:35 Whoever she is, she wasn't safe. I'm sure Callen was trying to corner her in a closet at one point. To rub her shoulders or something. Yeah, dude's a pig, man. So anyway, that's just an inside thing everybody yeah that's between us and you a little inside comedian baseball that's just a fact he's a fucking pig any females if you ever see him if you don't want to fuck him don't say hi to him don't try to fuck you he does it's gross so kurt plays cobra uh-huh. Yeah. Nolte plays a Vietnam veteran and boxer turned steel worker, steel mill worker, whose family
Starting point is 02:11:08 was torn apart by his alcoholism. All right. That's what I'm talking about. He's got alcoholism. And he's going to take his shirt off and put his overalls on and say, I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm going to beat people now. I will not let Budweiser control my life.
Starting point is 02:11:23 I will not. I couldn't decide between paul calhoun and dexter manly vince because vince wanting him back right now is tough i wanted him to be like look you just need to stop and then just vince like kurt kurt i need you vince stop it vince he said he's in another he's happy he's in a different stage he's like he's so vascular damn it kurt take your shirt off please kurt just come out here vince i'm sorry this is sad vince it's getting bad kurt i love you he did tell him he loved i love you i meant every word
Starting point is 02:11:55 oh my god he is just you don't even he cried the whole way over here like loud like sobbing it It was terrible. More men he loves him than Dexter has. Yeah. So he says, quote, this is Kurt, my character is the complete opposite of what I portrayed in the 1996 Olympics. Well, it's a movie. Right. You know, so, you know, I was the American hero who won the Olympic gold medal. I'm now the Russian hero who won the olympic gold medal i'm now the russian
Starting point is 02:12:25 hero who won the gold medal so he's like ivan drago okay that's who he is that's completely different yeah because you're from now i'm russian oh okay totally different now i'm a russian and american he's a winner wow same colors on the flag he said i'm going to continue to wrestle for a little while longer, but my crossover, the appeal is coming, and it appears I'm going to start doing movies for a living, so I'm very excited about my future. It appears that way? I mean, this is a big Hollywood movie.
Starting point is 02:12:55 I saw it has 8.2 out of 10 on IMDb, so I'm like, holy shit, is this like, did somebody spike this? So I went to Rotten Tomatoes, 83% from the critics, 92 from the audience. This is a good fucking movie. How about that? Period period he just landed in a good movie he's lucky uh 2011 his ex-wife karen marries jeff jarrett yeah that's not great um he says at this point he tells everybody that dana white wanted him for ufc and he said no well yeah he keeps and he said he didn't want to you'll fucking die in there well no when he was done in the olympics he would have probably been the champion it tore people apart nobody's a
Starting point is 02:13:29 fucking olympic wrestling as long as they don't fucking uh punch him punch yeah that's the thing keep him up standing if he if he goes around with them yeah that's yeah he's gonna fucking murder you but that's all the guys are either puncher or crap or you're half-assed at both one of the two maybe he wouldn't have because that fucking uh pewter guy almost took his fucking arm off who knows well he was he wasn't in a match he just got done with a match and he was hurt at the time too he wouldn't have been like fighting a ufc fight in that condition he uh he said that i've had meetings with all with them all in mma world series elite xc twice with the ufc what uh whether it was the money or the timing, it wasn't right.
Starting point is 02:14:05 It didn't happen. I considered going until I turned around 42. I wouldn't even think about doing it now. Well, no. I would say not. Jesus Christ. There's nobody that does it. I'm 50.
Starting point is 02:14:17 I'm going to come out and... No. I mean, I get that you're an amazing physical specimen, but come on. He said, I don't regret it. When I met with Dana White, he wanted me to quit wrestling entirely, but I had just signed with TNA. I met with Dana the same week, and he said I needed to quit wrestling. I couldn't tell Dixie Carter I wanted to back out. He said during his second meeting, which took place in 2008, he said he talked about how White wanted him to join the cast of Ultimate Fighter Heavyweights,
Starting point is 02:14:43 the one that Kimbo Slice was on there. And, you know, he said all of that. And he said, the second time I met with Dana, I took the physical. He wanted me to do the Ultimate Fighter with Kimbo. He was great. He was willing to pay me a good bit of money to be on the show, but he wanted me to be ready in four and a half weeks. It just wasn't in the cards.
Starting point is 02:15:01 I think it would have been great TV. He was willing to sign me to a six-fight deal after after the show but he wanted me to be on the show but it wasn't going to happen in four uh in four and a half weeks um yeah so he then says quote i actually contacted dana white after the movie i flew out to meet him uh he made me a great offer all this stuff he talks about uh i think it was dropping uh i was thinking of dropping out of impact wrestling because there were some personal problems with my marriage and i just wanted to get away so that's what he was talking about so total opposite of what he said before he said he wanted me ready in four and a half weeks i knew i was capable of winning i i knew if i was capable of
Starting point is 02:15:38 winning in four and a half weeks but i wanted to be at my best dana white said quote i love kurt but none of that is true i gave him no timelines i've never talked that never happened i never offered him a contract i never we just have the same barber yeah i've talked to him and said wow you're cool but i never said like here's a contract offer like that didn't happen so he says i believe i did i have been as good in mma as i wasn't pro wrestling but i don't regret it if the money was there in mma when i came out of the olympics i'd have gone into mma which i would have thought he would have but it wasn't there at that point there was no money in that there was he was offered a you know millions of dollars by wwe it took a long time for that kind of money to happen in ufc yeah he said it wasn't there until i was four years or so into
Starting point is 02:16:22 my wwe career which was you know 2002 2003 that's when it started blowing up but i love pro wrestling so it wasn't meant to be march 2012 he posts some weird tweets um and you know doesn't say that he this was hacked or anything he just did this he says quote this is 2012 mind you quote i'm training for the Olympics. What? Okay. You are 60. Every wrestler is terrified of me that they will get tired. Then he tagged Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels. What do they have to do with the Olympics?
Starting point is 02:16:56 But could either of you take me in a shoot? Be honest. Respect you both. No, they couldn't. They're not fucking amateur wrestlers. Neither of them would. You'd kill Shawn Michaels. He'd take his legs like a wishbone for fuck's sake
Starting point is 02:17:08 and he's 53 at this time this is sean michaels got beat up by guys in bars regular people all the time christ almighty that was his thing that he did he was drawn drugs all the time too so yeah he said that uh um he said i became a top star in one year, but it took Sean and Austin 15 years. Hello, I have not touched a pill in eight years. Okay. And he tags Jim Ross and Chris Jericho. How do you feel about that? I am the best today.
Starting point is 02:17:34 If WWE never wants me, their mistake. What then? I'm going to write those same tweets and tag those same people. Yeah. So weird. 2012. He doesn't show up for. He's inducted into the Lou Fez Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame, which is like for amateurs that became good pros.
Starting point is 02:17:54 It's like a very specific group. And he just doesn't show up for some reason. Doesn't show up. So Jerry Briscoe makes fun of him for it. And they auction off his Hall of Fame plaque and make fun of him. And he's super pissed off about it. Really? Super mad.
Starting point is 02:18:09 Curtis. So, dude, relax. What are you going to do? Just relax here. He says, quote, Jerry Briscoe made a mockery out of me. This is on Twitter. Jerry Briscoe made a mockery out of me and the Dan Gable Museum Hall of Fame by auctioning off my award. That award is a huge honor.
Starting point is 02:18:24 You spit on me. Due to obligations I had with my wedding, I could not attend the Hall of Fame. the dan gable museum hall of fame by auctioning off my award that award is a huge honor you spit on me due to obligations i had with my wedding i could not attend the hall of fame i even made a 10 minute video proudly accepting this great honor i'm disappointed i couldn't go but devastated jerry gave my award away very classy jerry so he's mad uh he gets married that at that time he gets married to an actress that he met on the set of the good movie got it uh giovanna yanati they got married and um yeah oh no this was i'm sorry they shot death from above together which we'll talk about um yeah they starred in that and uh she said he was so handsome i was just like i gotta have him and there you go they get married they end up having three kids they're still together really yeah so good for them salute fuckers oh kurt august 6 2012 death from above comes out this is weird this is
Starting point is 02:19:11 a movie starring like 80s tom savini is this sheriff he's the tom savini is the special effects guy the most famous one in the world that made all the cool 80s shit and all the practical effects he's acting in this movie playing a sheriff uh robert zadar is in this movie who he's in every 80s b movie he's the guy with the giant face he's got like the big weird jaw zadar zadar z-d-a-r look him up he you cannot you'll go oh that guy robert zadar he's got this big weird jaw face it's some sort of disease is it uh crazy sid's also in this too sid vicious and kurt angle 2.9 of 10 on imdb zdar oh it's an apostrophe oh that guy yeah that's what i mean whoa yeah what is happening there exactly so august 3rd
Starting point is 02:20:00 2013 that's his real fucking face yeah it's his real face he's got some sort of like yeah thing going on with him i don't know what it's titus of the jaw of the face good lord so uh yeah sorry for that guy but he's made a career out of it so good for him august 3rd 2013 he's in texas and uh texas highway patrol uh pulls on he's dead he's what zadar is dead yeah that's right he died a few years ago i remember remember that. He was only 65, too. He's huge, too. He's a big guy. Very tall, very stocky. He apparently is pulled over in Wise County, Texas, following a taping of TNA Impact for
Starting point is 02:20:36 Spike TV, and police received a call about a reckless driver caught up to Kurt on the road here. And yeah, apparently,ers-by reported that a vehicle was in the median that's his spot he's just like i'll just park over here and let it wear off it's cool this is they put a parking spot in the middle for people who got problems that's what it is you have a couple of drinks you're like right in the middle it's like the handicapped spot i feel better this is the drunk running in real quick. So it's a real long park spot. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:06 Everybody can get in it. So, yeah, they when they came to investigate, they found him passed out behind the wheel. Oh, no. Reeking of alcohol. This is when he again said that he hit an icy patch on a dry road. And then he said he was distracted by a text message. And I wasn't nice. He was mistaken.
Starting point is 02:21:23 That was another time. Right. I was half asleep. Yeah. So It wasn't ice. He was mistaken. That was another time I was half asleep. Yeah. So they pulled him over alcohol, whatever. So he's arrested again. He's not.
Starting point is 02:21:32 This is not good. He immediately tweets that night. In light of recent events, I will be immediately entering a rehabilitation facility. I'm confident that taking these steps, I can begin to address the necessary changes in my life went right from jail to the rehab like he's fucked a movie comes out beyond the mat two he's in that uh no not the documentary oh no um a tale about two best friends an uncensored
Starting point is 02:21:57 look into the perilous world of high school wrestling he's trying to play a high school kid now i hope not in the story of a teen who overcomes self doubt to find his true place uh it's a two million dollar budget he plays a coach yeah wrestling coach um july 30th 2014 sharknado 2 comes out he's in that he is in that he plays the fire chief in that so september 4 2014 movie not cool comes out yeah a group of modern day teenage pittsburgh teenagers spend teenagers spend their Thanksgiving break experiencing a mixture of love, friendship, partying, and sex. Yay. American Pie already came out.
Starting point is 02:22:32 Yeah, and so did Kids. Right. Directed by that YouTube dipshit Shane Dawson. Fuck. Yeah, so there you go. Kurt plays a security guard in that one. 2014, rumors about a return to WWE. What? He wants to come back. He said that triple h didn't want him he said that uh his real name is paul levesque levesque he said quote paul is
Starting point is 02:22:55 in charge and i found out that when i contacted vince i've always had good relationship with paul so i didn't consider that a problem he'd uh he decided they had enough talent they had enough talent for them. For Vince McMahon, who I knew, enough was never enough. He always wanted more. I don't know what was going on over there, but they even canceled our meeting. I never even went to see them. They didn't even sit me down and talk to me.
Starting point is 02:23:16 He said, I blew my mind. It was as if I was a nobody, that I wasn't Kurt Angle. From a wrestling standpoint, they just weren't interested. He said, but TNA not only stepped up, but they also gave me everything I wanted. The dates, the money, it's no secret that I've gone to rehab in the past, and they gave me the time off. You talk about a company that's loyal to
Starting point is 02:23:34 you, and you want to be loyal back, so I didn't pursue the WWE any further. When it comes down to it, you've got to stick with the people who want to take care of you, and Dixie Carter took care of me. So, yeah, and maybe uh maybe i mean they're like almost the same age so she's not like a mother figure but um he might need one here because 2015 his mom dies of cancer so that's what i mean it's been bad um i that's terrible obviously now
Starting point is 02:23:59 he's got no parents which sucks no matter what age you are i mean christ i feel bad for the lady right i feel bad for him but not nearly jimmy not nearly as bad as i feel what for kurt angle quality engineer at northrop grumman in savannah georgia poor bastard kurt angle freelance translator at h&r block in new york city uh kurt angle i don't even know what this says. It's in German. It's Arzbi Klinik. That says geography be champ. That's what it is. German geography champion. Kurt Angle, administrative assistant at British Pharmalogical Society.
Starting point is 02:24:37 What? In the UK, obviously. And Kurt Angle attended SVG degree college in Mumbai, India. He's an Indian kid named Kurt Angle. It's hilarious. So there's a lot of them. They're named after him, right? I don't fucking know.
Starting point is 02:24:50 They've got to be. These were adults, a lot of them. They were like his age. Okay. So I don't think those guys are. Maybe the Indian kid. He looked young. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:24:59 So the rest of them look like, you know, her age, at least in ballpark. So also in 2015, The Last the last witch hunter comes out. The last witch hunter is all that stands between humanity and the combined forces of the most horrifying witches in history. No. You know who stars in this Vin Diesel? Of course he does. Elijah Wood. Oh, no.
Starting point is 02:25:21 Yeah. Michael. Michael Caine is in this. What the fuck? Okay. No. Kurt Angle's been in the same fucking movie with Michael Caine? That is just wrong.
Starting point is 02:25:33 I'm sorry. He's an amazing actor. This is terrible. A British guy looking for witches. That goes for Vin Diesel as well. He shouldn't have been in the movie with Michael Caine either. They shouldn't be on the same set. I feel like Michael Caine was just a guy that stood by going, this is a terrible movie.
Starting point is 02:25:47 I'll lend my name to it. They paid me many, many dollars. Many, many pounds. I just stand on set critiquing people. Kurt plays bodyguard number four. So that's about his role in this area. Six out of ten on IMDb. September 21st, 2015.
Starting point is 02:26:03 His brother David has a little bit of an issue um when he calls 9-1-1 about 6 a.m one morning to tell the cops that his wife is not responsive um yeah a homicide detectives what find out that they were arguing at about 3 a.m this is david and donna angle uh apparently she offered him some vodka and quote. This is from the criminal complaint. Quote, he told her he didn't want any, but she continued to badger him about drinking with her. He said all their arguments revolved around alcohol and added that she had anger issues. So he told the police that his wife tried to kick him during the argument.
Starting point is 02:26:42 that his wife tried to kick him during the argument. So he dragged her off a couch by grabbing both of her arms and then put his foot on her chest while continuing to pull her arms. What's he trying to do, detach them? What the fuck is that? Taking them? He said he couldn't remember how long he did that, but he told police it was not for minutes. So he doesn't know how long that was,
Starting point is 02:27:02 but I guess that was his submission halt. That's his finisher, I guess. I don't know know uh not the big light of it but when his wife went unconscious and he couldn't revive her he called 9-1-1 uh and was told how to perform cpr that was about 6 20 in the morning uh he said quote she was smacking me i was smacking her she fell on the floor i had my knee on her chest not long but, but long enough, I guess. I tried to revive her, and I can't get her back. This has been 10 minutes. Oh, no.
Starting point is 02:27:30 And she's dead. It's over. She died of asphyxiation. Wow. That is not good. He murdered a woman. He fucking murdered a woman. They treat this like it was like she fell down the stairs.
Starting point is 02:27:41 It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. It's the fucking craziest thing I've ever heard. We've had small town murders where like this would be your life. He Kurt now through his attorney is very sad. He says this has been a very trying time for everyone in my family. We ask that you respect our privacy to mourn our loss. I love my family very much and will support them in any way I can. So October 2015, David is ordered to stand trial uh kurt is there
Starting point is 02:28:06 with him in the courtroom wiping tears away and everything else here um yeah they're all there the uh homicide detectives say that uh you know he dragged her off the couch and somehow killed her yeah doesn't really matter how right fucking she's dead and he's the one who did it so that's that 2016 in july uh david finally just does takes a plea bargain for the whole thing this is wild here um he admitted to using force uh that's to stop her from breathing blah blah blah uh this is going to be i believe let me find the voluntary manslaughter they lower this to which is i thought he was gonna plead a reckless driving yeah right him and his brother no shit
Starting point is 02:28:45 they get off they are lucky they're like well your parents are dead we feel bad we still feel bad about your dad right uh he's he he says quote this was uh david's lawyer says he's in complete disbelief that he doesn't have his wife they've been married for 27 years he loves her he misses her every day and he's just devastated by what happened. Well, he shouldn't have killed her then. Jesus. He is. Yeah. He says he did it. And all of that.
Starting point is 02:29:09 He says, quote, it was really. I'm sorry. This is the defense attorney. It was really a product of alcohol. And there was a domestic fight where she started smacking him and he stopped her from doing that. His knees were on her chest and she basically suffocated. And he was intoxicated as well. And it was almost accidental.
Starting point is 02:29:26 Except for the part where it wasn't fighting. Yeah, that's not an excuse. We got drunk and I killed her is not an excuse. Like, you can't do that. Oh, it's cool. I was drunk, man. Wow, man. Be cool about this.
Starting point is 02:29:36 I had a few. That is incredible. Yeah. His lawyer also said, quote, his his three children were here. He has a stepson. Ian was here and his daughter and son, both from the deceased and him. Their children were here and they're very much supporting their father. This was at the court hearing.
Starting point is 02:29:52 He faces a maximum of 10 years in prison, but could serve as little as two for killing your wife. I'm blown away. That is wild here. Kurt, at this point, goes on the dan levitard show and talks about his excessive drug use he said there was no way i could i couldn't get out of it the only thing i could do eventually was go to rehab and try to fix my life again but i actually beat it on my own i stayed in my house for about 10 days and didn't leave and i was able to get through the withdrawal. I finally got the right help.
Starting point is 02:30:27 I tried to do it myself, but when you're that deep into the stuff, you can't do it on your own. You need somebody else's help and I finally reached out and did what I had to do to get it done. It was the worst seven days of my life as well. I went through detox again. That time it stuck. You can't do everything. You can't think you're in constant pain.
Starting point is 02:30:40 Your body's shaking. You don't want to eat. You don't want anything. You feel like you're going to die. It's the worst pain you've ever had in your life, and I went through it twice. So September 2016, David gets sentenced here. He's sentenced. You, sir, may fuck off two and a half to ten years for killing his wife.
Starting point is 02:30:57 So he's going to do a year and fucking be done with it. That's incredible. Wild, right? 2016, he leaves TNA. And Kurt does, not his brother his brother leaves jail currently's tna 2017 he's back in wwe again really that's it he's back again he's uh gonna be inducted into the hall of fame and uh john cena inducts him into the hall of fame and all that shit he makes a wrestlemania appearance uh blah, blah, blah. January 17, 2019, his 16-year-old niece is home safe after being kidnapped.
Starting point is 02:31:30 This fucking family is doomed, man. I swear to God. She was kidnapped? Kidnapped by her ex-boyfriend. Yeah, her name is Marjani Aquil. She was found inside a house in McKeesport late Wednesday with bruises on her face, and Jermaine Rogers was captured in the same home following a two-hour standoff. quill she was found inside a house in mckeesport late wednesday with bruises on her face and germaine rogers was captured in the same home following a two-hour standoff he's a 19 year old her ex-boyfriend
Starting point is 02:31:50 been charged with kidnapping she's 16 she's 16 jesus uh police said quote they broke the window under the porch so they could see into that area and that's where they saw him hiding in the coal cellar he was ordered to show his hands and remain there and then they they took him out. So, yeah, two other people were home, were there, too, when the cops arrived. I don't know who the fuck they were. That was a tough neighborhood, I'm sure. It has to be. In a good neighborhood, they don't have coal cellars.
Starting point is 02:32:13 They have wine cellars. I was going to say, yeah. Back there, everybody has those old coal cellars. Coal cellars? I would assume, though, by now, people who have renovated their houses have gotten rid of the coal fucking chute. Right.
Starting point is 02:32:23 You know, I would think. But maybe not. Maybe it's charming. Probably, that's like a charming thing oh it's the old coal shoot still has one look at that oh my crown molding and coal shoots wow tin roof tin roof just wanted to say thank you kurt says to all those who've prayed and shared posts to help locator march of 2009 his brother eric is arrested 2019 19 sorry his brother is arrested. 2019. 19. Sorry. His brother is arrested. This is disturbing. After picking up a child at a wrestling tournament by the throat, lifting him up to his level with both hands, choking a child by the throat and then throwing him to the fucking mat. There's a video.
Starting point is 02:32:56 Wow. It is the most fucking disturbing thing you've ever seen. Why do you do it? The kid weighs maybe 80 pounds. It's like a seven year old. Jimmy, it's not a it's not a teenager it's a child it's a small little child that he picks up the kid is half his height unbelievable throws him on the ground after like even in wrestling that would be like jesus christ
Starting point is 02:33:15 it was fucking ridiculous man and the kid doesn't work for wwe doesn't have like no this was at a pennsylvania junior wrestling championships event he's a 12-year-old boy. He looks 7 though. He can't weigh more than 100 pounds. I swear to God. His brother is huge. He's like him. He's a giant guy. And he was also a champion college wrestler, I believe, too. Clarion. Yeah, so somebody
Starting point is 02:33:38 posted the video and said, no one should ever take their kids to Angle Elite Wrestling. And yeah, it's fucking... Unless you caught that kid raping a uh yeah it's it's fucking unless you caught that kid raping a baby it's an extreme response if you walked in on that i get it but other than that it's a pretty extreme response to anything he would have done um yeah angle his brother told the tv station afterwards quote i should have just walked away and let him get thrown out instead i'm the one who embarrassed myself even more yeah uh 2019
Starting point is 02:34:06 kurt's in another movie chasing molly what is that i think that's on is that on netflix it's me molly a paranormal con artist who cleans people of their valuables instead of their demons accidentally rips off a drug kingpin she now has to save her kidnapped partner and herself while battling through the underbelly of los angeles jesus christ kurt plays mr black so yeah october 3rd 2019 eric's learned his lesson after his public embarrassment i would hope so no he's arrested again uh this time he is indicted for distributing anabolic steroids on the dark web on the fucking he's on the dark web he's on the dark web selling steroids jimmy i don't even know how to get there neither do i that's what i'm saying and he's selling steroids there he found the dark web
Starting point is 02:34:53 and opened up shop one of three men who sold anabolic steroids and other controlled drugs before shipping them via ups under fake names they were members of the quantum with a four where the a should be got it uh drug trafficking organization why do all those a nexium they all do fucked up just call yourself something if i see that i assume someone's getting fucked or drugged one of the two it's a front for something illegal i see a number of illegal shit they imported steroids from china and uh controlled substances were paid for by using cryptocurrency or cash um facing several charges including conspiracy to distribute controlled substances and conspiracy to import
Starting point is 02:35:32 controlled substances among others these are bad federal crimes 2020 kurt makes an appearance uh he introduces matt riddle uh some wrestler uh toDown. This is recently formalizing. I don't know. They say it's a fair way. This guy's they like this guy for some reason here. This publication is talking about it. They talked about him returning to the ring. He says he doesn't rule out a return to the ring.
Starting point is 02:35:56 Says right now I can't. But could my mind be changed? Yes. For two reasons. I'm working on my business and I've been doing a lot of rehab on my body, trying to get myself back to where I'm able to live a healthy lifestyle. I've been so banged up. My neck, my back, my neck. I'm making improvements.
Starting point is 02:36:10 Sounds like he's making a plea for more. My back, my back, my back. Yeah. I need more Percocet in this contract. Oh, shit, man. He jokingly tweets at some point. Oh, no, that's right. He says he's got a food company he says we have chicken
Starting point is 02:36:25 snacks called chicken snacks with c h x n s god damn it and they will be a number one seller they will not only be available on amazon but will in convenience stores health food stores groceries bulk stores like costco and sam's club then he jokingly tweeted that he was putting out his own brand of milk and he was like i can't believe people thought i was serious it's like you were fucking pushing ostrich meat food stuff a minute ago what the fuck are you talking about of course you're capable of anything you were taking cow tranquilizers yeah you took beef you took beef hormones and sold ostrich meat you're capable of anything we figured it was par for the course he said steve austin has his own beer and rock has his tequila so i thought it was funny if i'd have my own milk everyone thought i was serious but the payoff is you can buy autographed angles milk cartons
Starting point is 02:37:13 on my website but the interest is there so maybe i can do more with it can't get enough of kurt he has his his tequila and he has his beers. Those generate money, motherfucker. Yeah, I'm going to make milk. Who buys milk? I just buy whatever milk is milk. I don't buy, look for a brand of it. When I'm going to bake something, other than that, I don't buy it. So can't get enough of Kurt?
Starting point is 02:37:37 Yeah. You can do a couple of things. Tons of, you can get up figures and all that. There's a trillion things. You could also visit one of his brothers in jail. See how they're doing. Or get on Cameo where kurt has his own cameo of course he does yes he does uh he uh let's see here he is uh 100 what for the cameo of kurt 100 bucks so uh or you cameos have jumped in price yeah yeah they have gone way up because like a year ago you could get 20 bucks
Starting point is 02:38:05 yeah you get somebody say something stupid for 20 dollars 10 dollars now it's 150 dollars the fuck out of here for that so uh somebody reviewed it said thanks for the cameo kurt sun was over the moon and it was a nice surprise your words meant a lot to him and it was a nice pick me up you're welcome kid that's terrific fucking percocets with it yeah hey i don't know send something there's a dark web check it out that everybody is kurt angle wowza that is crime in sports he's a mess he's yeah he's had problems he looks like he seems to be doing well now which is good he got off the pills and everything but he went through a real dark about 10 year period that was just oh boy crashing as hard as it goes if you like that story tell us about it get on apple podcast that purple icon give us five stars it helps a ton we don't know why but it does so do
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Starting point is 02:39:55 No. And this week for Crime and Sports, the bonus episode is going to be the Plane Ride from Hell, which is a wrestling thing where a bunch of wrestlers coming home from a long european tour were chartered a plane by vince mcmahon and given open and complete bar and what ended up into the joint what ended up happening is literally lawsuits and criminal investigations what happened is illegal absolute chaos if you think the boat party thing was crazy this is just as crazy as the minnesota boat party less less sex but still lots of sex and weird shit it's weird so check that out it's going to be lots of fun patreon.com slash crime and sports anybody over the five dollar level will get that and they will get jimmy mispronouncing their name speaking of that uh if you would like just for jimmy to mispronounce
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Starting point is 02:41:10 week's executive producers are christopher paul cowell jordan bennett on their self her and simon are celebrating their 16th anniversary congrats anniversary fuckers uh nicole blair alexa alexa alexia gordon happy birthday to her also. Susan McQuilkin. Jesus, I'm sorry. Catherine Conkra. Chris Taylor. Chrissy Ann Costaldi. Again, thanks, Chrissy.
Starting point is 02:41:32 We got to get back to Boston, man. Yeah, God, Boston was great. Also, Chef Kristen Kuhlander's birthday is this week. Well, happy birthday. I don't know which day. God damn it. Happy birthday. Larea Rouse.
Starting point is 02:41:43 Jesse Plotkin. Gavin Smith-Pill. Don Fritz. Lisa Neuberger. Sherry Dickens. much day god damn it happy birthday uh larea rouse uh jesse plotkin gavin smith pill don fritz lisa newberger sherry dickens samantha with no last name michelle oh boy baba cena i think uh rachel fun what funderberg i think uh demon nope that's dean woder uh cassie mcmahon jim boy sewed bomi sewed christ jennifer lucky thank you guys so much we can't do this amazing other producers McMahon, Jim Boy-Sode, Bomi-Sode. Christ. Jennifer Lucky. Thank you guys so much. We can't do this without you. Thank you. You guys are amazing.
Starting point is 02:42:08 Other producers this week, thank you so much. Cater Carter-Harris, Melissa McVicar, Jesus, Sarah Caudill, Thomas Smith, Nico Robin, Robin James, Leah Colwell, Sally Matani, Tracy Renninger, Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Thanks, man. Katarzy Renninger, Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Thanks, bud. Katarzyna Nielczulka, Timmy Wright. Nope, that's Knight. God damn it.
Starting point is 02:42:31 Zachary Jackson, Dakota Harrington, Kylie Short, Kieran White, Marissa Cole, Tisha Thomas, Haley Pierce Ramsdell, Brendan Ables. Thank you, Brendan. Hey, my buddy. James Marder, Liz Vasquez. Thanks, Liz. Josh Barta, Jill Haines, Marissa Cole, Kristen Bellinger. ables thank you brendan uh james martyr liz vasquez thanks liz josh barda uh jill haynes marissa cole kristin bellinger jessica matthews katrina jones michael scott uh if that's is that
Starting point is 02:42:54 real that could be real uh jake nasso elizabeth bark burko brandon brandon bendy what is this benoit ah hey he's a a native american American and he likes to send me horrible things, horrible words to me because I'm accidental. I don't mean to. Jessica Nica, Nica, Haley Vieira, Megan Schroeder. Obviously, what was that guy's name? Schroederid no uh he was a famous actor schroeder oh ricky ricky had it locked and loaded there for a sec and then it unloaded uh brook kale todd theroff uh kimberly paxton uh what is this uh diary that's not right that says mary that veta with no last name jeb edmondson am, Amanda Knight, Whitley Crum, Devin Cleveland, Caner152, Josh Garcia, Heather Musser, Todd Vanderhoff, Joanne Ahern, thank you so much. She said happy birthday to me because I posted that my birthday is on a Monday.
Starting point is 02:43:59 A Monday. You fucked that all up. The ever important A, never talk about my birthday. Thank you so much for anybody that sent money thinking that it was my birthday. It's not Jimmy's birthday. I did not do that to bilk money out of that. No, it's February. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:44:12 February. Don't send anything in February. You've done enough. Vinnie Caputo, M. Sims, Tim Johnson, Rob Smith, Tracy Jacobs, Janice Hill. I have an uncle named Vinnie Caputo. Do you? It might be him. My cousin Jesse Stepfather. I'll bet it's himnie Caputo. Do you? Yeah. It might be him. My cousin Jesse stepped on it.
Starting point is 02:44:25 I'll bet it's him. Might be. Jesse probably used his credit card. Maybe. Rob Smith, Tracy Jacobs, Janice Hill, Jonathan Hoskins, Mason Ohern, Tim Johnson. What did I do here? Liam Medlock, Gordy, nope, Gordy Bunk, M. Sims. I said that.
Starting point is 02:44:41 Wes Rich, Chloe Campbell, Adam Bennett, Tay tay how mall molly is that molly uh march it's just m-o-l-l-e is that a molly is that mall it's mole right mole mole mole march miranda kincaid suzanna platt kyle juarez uh samantha nope that's sarah lockhart i am fucking dumb todd you're on a roll todd tunks gunner gray uh jesse salisbury baga kiwanuka uh baga beija baja fuck robert weyer wire uh reagan what day herm blay nope day herm de blay termed wow i think he's a guy that kurt angle wrestled in the we talked about on crime and sports brian the Wizard, Franklin Berry, Cal Seeley, Matt Morgan, Renee Peterson, happy birthday, Winston Howard, Brian...
Starting point is 02:45:31 Oh, Shodorf. Sorry, Brian. Mark Kaiser, Bethany Plack. No, Black. What did I do? I don't know. That's one syllable, man. It could be Plack or Black.
Starting point is 02:45:41 Depends on how shitty my writing is. Short name. Cassandra Newsome, Rachel Reed, Trisha Rinesyan spear and stephanie tilford tyler chriswell mallory ian coney uh brian nia knee knee house nine fuck archibald meat pants probably not stephanie andrews jesse thomas tracy monk munix fuck chrissy christy mFarland, Liz Gray, Sean Platter, Dwayne Mattson, Susan Wooten, Jamie Fee, Mary Brutus, Jason Hough, Justin Greenberg, John Robinson, Alex Knoll, Tim Wolotkin, Jay with no last name, Alyssa Marie,itchell smith alex casey tory keegan hafer nope kike hafer whoa fuck hannah artrip britney galen i don't want to keep going because i could say horrible i don't want to say up and people are going to think that's my fault
Starting point is 02:46:39 but i'm just reading i don't want to say worse words jon Jonathan Crowe, Ekaterina. Ekaterina. What? Jackie Mader, a monkey chef. What? Katie Watkins, Dennis Kuspert. Asia Monroe, Alexis Roy Lance. Christopher Lewis, Courtney McCarthy. Riley Kyle Dignan, D-Nan.
Starting point is 02:47:06 Katie Hale, or Holly, I don't know, Melissa Miller, Emma Mars, Kelsey Martin, Chris Leonard, and Carlton Merritt, D, what, D, Gemma 1000, D-Gemma, what, Jim Monroe, Sam Powell, Stacy Loper, Corey Akachew, what,
Starting point is 02:47:21 Achtabowski, that's not right. Jennifer Dalton. Haley Stefko... Stefkovich? Phil Biebsheimer. Kevin Rohn. Kimberly Wade.
Starting point is 02:47:33 Olivia Ours. Kenzie would know the last name. Andy Young. Rice Kamen. Aaron Tienes Free. Tom George. Carl Stump. Charles.
Starting point is 02:47:43 Not Carl. What? Amanda would know the last name. April Williams. Laura Nichols, Maggie Fitch, Kelsey with no last name, Bagaku Anuka. I think I said that once before. They donated both ways. That's what happened. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:47:55 Sean with no last name, Melanie Hood, Michelle with no last name, Maylee or Mayle, Rivka Arbetter, Rika, Rivka. It's fucking not American, right? Is that English? I don't know what that is kim lincoln is sandy stoica hope we like all of you ala grimson travis eckard sean would know last name stephan taught steven uh captain surly olivia it's what cn chuli that's italian i don't know. Myra Ezrell? Myra. Tiffany Knoll. Luke with no last name. Anne-Marie. Anna-Marie.
Starting point is 02:48:30 Like the fucking song. Morgan Pendleton. Samantha Myers. Jack with no last name. Nancy Drew. Probably not the author. Chris with no last name. Grant Springer. Trisha Mobley. Cody Adams. Kyle Rauch. Jessica Giroux. Tim Umstead?id lemieux jr uh
Starting point is 02:48:48 probably mario's kid i'm sure his brother or right sandy zavala non-brothers david gv cv i don't know what i did sean joles uh michelle pandino josh w nick Armenta, Allie Thomas, Pastor Zoll, Joshua Doherty, Misty Kvasnik, G. Meesey, Melissa McVeaker, Colby DuP's uh kid eric stump timothy driscoll colin ackley what colin ackley buffington chad hope hobenick kobenick that's okay lance vachek nope vacoke the choke something something trish would know last name tanya hall jd johns j uh shane would know last name sam Samuel Garcia. Jeffrey Jefferson. Steel Flex. Tyler R. Matt with no last name. Steven Sigler.
Starting point is 02:49:49 Gavin Guadagno. What? Guadagno? I don't know. It's Italian. Adrian Coronado. Sarah Barber. Zachary Mills.
Starting point is 02:49:59 Jana Wells. Sean Miller. Wade with no last name. Larry Larkin. Chris Feichner. Jordan Fisher. Matt Chesser. DeAndre Floyd. Karen Crank, Letitia Bradford-Mohamed, Kira Barton, Nicholas Chiapari, Andy Dressel, Laura VanderWarka, Robin Middlebrook, Michael Belanger, Chastityastity cassidy moore i don't it's her birthday i don't know happy birthday i'm never gonna pronounce that brianna uh hall angela rockefeller
Starting point is 02:50:32 hannah simmons lee gofett gofit goffett uh jonathan gorst why is it always gorst yet why is it italians brandy would no last name. I love the food. Kevin Mathers, obviously Eminem's brother. Beverly Krennic. Hannah Simmons. Esther Hedberg. Dallas Allman. Mitch's kid.
Starting point is 02:50:53 Right. And Dallas Allman, one of the brothers. One of the brothers' kids. Sons and daughters of royalty today, everyone. Nick Yates. Shepard Pinhorn. Tyler Gunther. Gunther. Kelly Dempsey uh patrick's kid sam samantha wright jamie and fontes ward uh heinz's daughter uh garrett johnson mike shanahan obviously daughter it wasn't
Starting point is 02:51:17 james melzer uh candina huff jamie hicks, Katrina Svensson, Jamie Lichtenbarger. You know that famous? Yeah. Bobby Lichtenbarger's kid. We know that one. David Barhart, Eric Gordon, Kelly Mitchell, Jeff Bajima, Linda Baker, Leilani G, Michael Halzima, Tisha Jackson of the Jackson 7, jackson of the jackson seven timothy six six tiffany square miss the cut of the dancing fortune courtney spring emma eva m ava m gavin nelson jordan schrock britney helm
Starting point is 02:51:56 mindy welch of the grape juice uh clearly britney smith christie oliver uh joel and joel bateman uh Smith, Christie, Oliver, Joel Bateman. Jason's brother, that is, I believe. Angela Kornman, Natalie Etzel, Ann Kloss, Santa's daughter. This isn't a set, clearly. Maria Anwar, Christine Dowling, Andre Sandoval, Dale Kress. Water. Pablo's girlfriend there was Pablo's daughter. Lauren Reuter of the news fortune clearly sherry penrod simon freeburn maggie poppus uh jeanette guthier and uh jonathan trost claire of the uh
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