Crime in Sports - #288 - A Search For Sympathy - The Affrontedness of Julio Lugo

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

This week, we take a look at a man who was accused of something pretty terrible, but he continued with his baseball career, like it never happened, even going on to be a World Series champion.... But that dark thing was always hanging over his head, especially since his excuse was self serving, at best, a complete insult to everybody's intelligence, at worst. And it's not the end, as his other accused crime may even be scarier than the first, this time involving kidnapping & gunplay! The end of the episode will be quite the surprise, as well!! It's as wild ride! Be a 43rd round draft pick who ends up making $50 million, get your wife to recant accusations, while on the witness stand, and carry on with your career like nothing happened with Julio Lugo!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:04:50 Right. All right. That said, let's get into this. Oh, boy. Let's do this. We're going to head back into baseball here because it's been a while. There are I'm going to be honest. There are a lot less baseball player criminals than other sports.
Starting point is 00:05:04 They seem to keep it together i don't know what it is there's just less of them yeah it's a it's a strange thing i don't know why i guess well number one it's not a violent sport it's a sport where most of the sport is waiting so when you get a sport where most of it is waiting and very, very rarely is there any physical contact whatsoever, you're either waiting. When there is, it's shocking. Yeah, that's what I mean. And that's also because there's no padding or anything. So when people hit each other, you're like, oh, God, Jesus.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Why would you? And then even while you're playing, let's say you're playing left field. You're just hanging out out there by yourself for a long time. The ball might not ever get hit to you that inning. You might just stand there for 15 minutes and then run back in and then wait to hit. And maybe you don't hit that inning either. So you just sit there for that. You go back and you wait some more.
Starting point is 00:05:57 So there's a virtue. There's a certain level of patience you need to have to be a baseball player that maybe maybe that just prevents them from committing as much crime i'm not sure what it is and it's always been that way there's just less players and baseball players will have little things but then they like kind of get it together after that whereas and it's weird because there's 25 guys on a team so you would imagine that you know there's plenty of guys to fuck up but they don't fuck up as much. So they're rare. This week we're going to talk about Julio Lugo.
Starting point is 00:06:31 Oh. Remember Julio Lugo? From the Astros? From the Astros, exactly. Well, from the Astros, from the Red Sox. Yeah, obviously, yeah. The biggest part of his career was with the Astros, right? No, actually, I think.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Really? It was just the first place he was and where you would have heard of him the most because of what happened there. God, that's wild. But then he won a World Series with the Red Sox. Is that right? Absolutely. So, yeah, we'll talk about Julio.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Julio Cesar Lugo is his name. He is born November 16th, 1975. Okay. And have you seen him in the news lately? No. Okay, all right. Well, I i think you have he's been around there's been really there's been news of him lately i can't wait to find out he's in he's born in barahona dominican republic sure and uh from what i understand here his parents are divorced and his father is mainly living in japan oh which we don't hear a lot about that's not it's not the typical beginning to our stories so his dad lives in japan where he works in the shipping business
Starting point is 00:07:33 that's not we don't we don't start a lot of them like that what he's doing there yeah his dad's in the shipping business works in japan and rarely communicates with the family at all he's dhl or like i don't know who the hell knows he might be in the merchant marines for all the shit i know i and rarely communicates with the family at all. Like DHL or like USS Maersk? Who the hell knows? He might be in the Merchant Marines for all the shit I know. I have no clue what he's doing, but he's over there. He's in Japan. That's a long way away, especially in the 70s.
Starting point is 00:07:55 You can't just text him. There's no WhatsApp. I don't think the Maersk is a USS either. I don't know. I know. That's all right. Is he a naval guy? No, no.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Neither of us are. It's just a Maersk. There you go. us either i don't know i didn't know i know that's all right naval guy no no neither of us are it's just a mersk there you go so no no whatsapp or anything back then you can't communicate to foreigners in any kind of way so no no it's it's 1970s so you'd have to make either long distance phone calls or write a letter that would take a week to get there yeah it's a long time so he just doesn't really communicate with them and uh at one point 1982 his mother moves him and he has a brother and a sister is a younger brother named i guess ruddy r-u-d-d-y that's ruddy ruddy he ruddy played for the uh the devil rays and the oakland a's in 2006 and 2007.
Starting point is 00:08:46 He's a pitcher as well. So baseball talent running thick in this family. And they have a sister named Rena as well. And they move to Brooklyn, or they move to the United States in 1982. They end up in Brooklyn in 1988. And that's where Julio kind of comes of age. He's 13 13 really gets into
Starting point is 00:09:06 baseball and like I said both him and his brother are really good baseball players right I mean they both end up in the major leagues so you'd have to be and Julio ends up going to Fort Hamilton High School in Brooklyn and have you do that sound familiar to you at all? Fort Hamilton? Fort Hamilton from one of our previous guys. Who went there? Bernard King. No shit. Yeah, Bernard King went to Fort Hamilton High. Same exact deal, but from the same area.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Isn't that interesting? He's one of the city's, he's like a top guy in baseball in the city. Everybody knows who he is. His senior year, he hits his senior year he hits 420 my god with a 550 slugging percentage wow and like being a great hitter isn't like really his even his game he's a really good fielder he's got great range as a shortstop really good fielder and he's a speed guy base dealerer, on base kind of a guy. So for him to have a high school pitchers, he's blasting them.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Yeah, he's blasting them. So he's really looking like hot shit here. He goes to college, though, and he goes to Connors State College. What? Jimmy, where's Connors State College? It's in Alabama. Warner, Oklahoma. I was close. Where all kids fromlyn dream of going at some point the warner talk about a fucking change of scenery man fish out of water
Starting point is 00:10:34 yeah and it's one of these little colleges too so it could be in like some little tiny town very weird well it's in warner oklahoma which i've never heard of so i mean that doesn't mean it's not a big place but it's not you know oklahoma city i don't think right maybe it's in Warner, Oklahoma, which I've never heard of. So, I mean, that doesn't mean it's not a big place. I don't know if it existed. It's not Oklahoma City, I don't think. Right. Maybe it's a suburb. I don't know. But he goes there, does very well in college because he's playing at Connors State College.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I don't know what kind of competition they're playing against here. And in the 1994 draft, because in 93 he plays for – he's in high school. In 94 he plays for he's in high school 94 he plays for connor's and then the 1994 mlb draft yeah that comes up he's been in college one year but you can draft whoever you want right so you know maybe they'll come out so by the way number one overall pick 1994 mlb draft jimmy chipper jones paul. Chipper Jones was 92, huh? I don't know exactly when Chipper Jones was drafted. He could have been drafted in 87 because he was drafted way
Starting point is 00:11:32 before they come up. Who knows? Number two, Ben Greve, who played a long time. Never was a big superstar to justify a number two pick. At this point, I was so deep into basketball and this was post that strike season of baseball. 94 is the strike season.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Oh, okay. This is the year it happens. This is why I fucking told him to eat shit as a 13-year-old. Basketball was just great at this point in time. It was amazing. It was basketball. From the late 80s to the fucking, to the strike and to the basketball strike, it was really, really good from the mid eighties, honestly, from even before that. But once Jordan came in and then it was, you know, bird and magic were in their primes
Starting point is 00:12:13 and you had all that shit. Dominique came in. Dominique. It was so great. Jordan with the dunk contest with Dominique and all that. And fucking Vlade Divac he goes to. More of a Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Kim Olajuwon. I was just going to rattle off the whole Lakers team, but started with the center.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Well, back then they were talking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the 80s as their fucking center. So, you know, that's before that. So that was very. Jerome Kersey. Kersey. Very exciting stuff. It was. Good shit is what we're saying here.
Starting point is 00:12:46 And then, you know, once Barkley went to the Suns, yeah, that whole thing. The Bulls got great. Very, very fun. So, yeah, baseball, not as much. But, yeah, Dustin Hermanson, number three. Josh Booty, number five. Oh, my. C.J. Natowski.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Remember him, the pitcher? Yeah, Natowski was good. He's in there, number nine. Jared Wright, the Indians pitcher, who went for a bunch of teams after that, number 10. Number 12, Nomar Garcia-Para. No shit. Paul Conerco, number 13. Jason Varitek, number 14.
Starting point is 00:13:18 Okay. So these are all major leaguers here. Ramon Castro with the Astros, number 17. Terrence Long, number 20. Let's see. Oh, Boca Chica. Hiram Boca Chica, 21. I just loved his name. Dante Powell, Carl Lowe, Brian Buchanan,
Starting point is 00:13:34 Scott Ellerton. So later on, though, that's the first round. Later on, you end up with Troy Glouse, A.J. Brzezinski, Aaron Boone, Scott Posadnik, let's see, Javier Vasquez, Joe Mays, Jeff Blum, Keith Fulk, David DeLucci. I love DeLucci. Bubba Trammell, Carl Pavano, Placido Polanco, Kyle Farnsworth.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Remember Kyle Farnsworth? 47th round for Kyle Farnsworth. kyle farnsworth 47th round for kyle farnsworth yeah remember morgan ensberg is it crazy 61st round with this many rounds wouldn't you just feel like a piece of shit it's like yeah i mean anybody can get drafted there that's nuts and good i mean mike piazza was like a 60 something round draft really yeah it just he was was a favorite. Tommy Lasorda knew his dad. They were both guineas. Literally, that's what it was. And at that point, who cares? You can take your garbage man's kid and you're not going to sign him anyway.
Starting point is 00:14:32 But it turns out that he's a Hall of Famer. But either way, yeah, what do we got here? Oh, finally, Julio Lugo, the 43rd round. Wow. That's deep. The 1,193rd overall pick we're like well we looked at this we looked at 1200 players before you and uh they were all better but then finally after 1200 baseball players you're lucky this many people are playing baseball because otherwise you know holy fuck man jesus
Starting point is 00:15:06 christ that's why i remember when when the diamondbacks were in the world series uh they were like trying to give nicknames to all the players oh god luis gonzalez lugo and it's like he already exists no we can't do that and his name is gonzalez and everybody called him gonzo which was just fine what was what's wrong with that what do we need it was and he hit home runs gone gonzo hit home runs it made sense right yeah it's just lugo is stupid what are you trying for here it's in that time when there was like uh power couples and shit so they were like like a rod they took just as his yeah you know i mean they were trying to pull that shit with everybody and they they tried to do Lugo with Gonzalez. I was like, that will never catch on.
Starting point is 00:15:48 I don't think so. That is fucking terrible. Other players who didn't sign but were drafted and ended up playing other things. Charlie Ward, of course. Charlie Ward, who, think about that. He won the Heisman Trophy in football. Wow. Was drafted in the first round by the Knicks and played there,
Starting point is 00:16:07 ended up picking that, and was also drafted into the MLB. He was drafted in three fucking sports. Think of that. He could have been. Winfield did the same thing. The next Bo Jackson, he could have done it. It was amazing. So, yeah, he was drafted in the 18th round because he wasn't going to play.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Kerry Collins drafted in the 48th round as well, the quarterback. Eric Montross, wow. He's like a seven-foot-tall center. Remember him? Was he a center or was he a power footer? It doesn't matter. He was a center. He was a seven-footer.
Starting point is 00:16:34 He's a big seven-foot stiff white guy. That's with the Celtics, right? Yeah, drafted by the Celtics. Played at North Carolina with his big flat top. He's drafted by the Chicago Cubs. Fascinating. And Hines Ward drafted in the 73rd round as well yeah there you go so lugo doesn't sign with the astros though right then no he
Starting point is 00:16:53 decides to keep his eligibility and go back and play college again for a second year he wants to play he must must have dug warner oklahoma he was anyway he must have had some good fry bread or something i don't know what the hell he got there it's beautiful it's that's that's lovely country Must have dug Warner, Oklahoma. He was into it. He must have had some good fry bread or something. I don't know what the hell he got there. It's beautiful. That's lovely country. Ah, the flatness, the dust, the dust, Jimmy. Oh, the dust.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Oh. You can see all the way to Dallas. It's beautiful. I don't know where it is, but Oklahoma's the place where, we said this during a live show, there's a strip of Oklahoma that I've driven back and forth across the country. And you go there a few different, I've been on this road a few different times. And on three different trips, there was cars on fire on this strip of road.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I don't know what it is about Oklahoma. Your car will burst into flames. Like on fire, like a fucking, you know, a a blaze so they make street tacos in oklahoma carfa come on grab the meat let's go beat me out on the 40 that's them warming up the griddle james yeah they're all out of shopping carts i guess eventually just the glow of the steel will cook you just hold it out on a stick. There we go. That looks good like a marshmallow.
Starting point is 00:18:10 The heat. So he goes to Connor State for his sophomore year. He was a first-team shortstop for the NJ, I guess, Junior College NCAA, NJCAA Region 2 team here. um he had a 390 batting average in may of 1995 with eight home runs this is the whole season 390 batting average eight home runs 60 rbi 40 stolen bases he batted almost 400 for the season and crushed and if he got on base, he's stealing that shit, too. He's dangerous as fuck. So he finally decided on May 19th. He had a certain amount of time to sign before he'd go back into the draft. They'd lose his rights.
Starting point is 00:18:57 So he signs right before the window closes for that. He ends up signing with the Astros. He just wanted to get another year of seasoning under his belts. his belts he only has one belt under his belt he wears the belt under his belt maybe he wears multiple belts like he's like a like an 80s pop star he's got like you know they're going different directions one's diagonal this way out of the belt loops yeah maybe he's like in the old west where he's got his regular belt, his gun belt. A lot of belts. Vince Neil on the cover of Too Fast for Love? I think it was.
Starting point is 00:19:30 That's what I mean. Those 80s guys would do that and put like eight belts on of different colors. So Lugo said, quote, I feel very happy. It's a big opportunity for me to show I can play. So there he goes. He goes to the minors and he goes to Auburn, which isn't Auburn like Alabama. It's Auburn somewhere up north. It's in the New York League here. It's the
Starting point is 00:19:51 Auburn Astros in the New York Pennsylvania League. This is low A here. But low A. There's low A, A, and high A. So there's three different levels of a ball when you first come in there's triple a of a ball basically yeah like when we go to the renegades
Starting point is 00:20:12 games here that's high a oh so that's you're that's not like the rookie ball that's unless the kid's really really good that's kind of it's kind of the second stop or whatever maybe a third stop even sometimes so he plays in the low a league that year for the auburn astros and he plays in 59 games he has 230 at bats he hits 291 how about that 357 slugging he has uh one homer 16 rbi 17 stolen bases not too shabby 26 walks only 31 strikeouts so that's pretty decent ratio for a you know a 19 year old kid not bad three triples because he's got speed you know they're looking at him as he's a comer you know yeah uh not too shabby the next year he gets promoted to regular a ball so regular a with the quad city river bandits hell yeah oh man that's that's when you get some of these minor league teams really get cute with their names and with all their shit they river bandits you just need something that gets attention because yeah you
Starting point is 00:21:19 just need people to know you exist and come there so you need a weird hat like you need a hat with a weird there's minor league hats look on their sites that have uh minor league hats and they have hundreds of them look on some of the crazy shit minor league hats i swear to god there's one with like a rocket that's up a golden retriever's ass and like a it's the weirdest thing i've ever seen it's like the rocket retrievers or something i i don't know i I don't even know what a river bandit is. It's like piratery on the fucking river? Yeah, I'm thinking they're like river road agents from Deadwood. They're hiding out waiting to ambush people on the river and steal their shit, I guess.
Starting point is 00:22:00 A river bandit. A flotilla with fucking tires is floating it? What is this? I bet you anything that they're there. For some reason, they love this because even the renegades
Starting point is 00:22:11 have this. For some reason, I bet you their their logo's a raccoon of some kind. Yeah. Still. Or some sort of weird animal
Starting point is 00:22:19 like a possum or something. Yeah. I'm not sure. It's very common. Armadillos. There's all kinds of those things. This is in the Midwest League and here he plays in 101 games and 393 at-bats, so hits 295.
Starting point is 00:22:35 All right. Even better. Doing well. 428 slugging percentage, though. Jesus Christ. Cranks is slugging up about 75 points, which the teams are going to look at that and be very impressed. He's got 24 steals this year, 10 homers, 50 RBI. He's killing it.
Starting point is 00:22:51 That's great. Shit. A couple more strikeouts, but he's hitting for a little more power. So that's all right. You're okay with that. Next year, he's up in high A. Like I said, this is like here. This is the Kissimmee Cobras.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Oh, yeah. I've seen their hat actually i think it's got like a coiled snake with like a cartoon snake but it's like a teal hat because it's kissimmee or it's like a bright some stupid bright color it might even be like a fuck now that i think about it might be a peach no like a peach hat or something like that. Like one of those weird fluorescent color. Like a tangerine. Yeah. Something very strange. Kissimmee Cobras? Kissimmee Cobras.
Starting point is 00:23:34 I want to say they have a weird colored hat. Maybe even like a chartreuse. Something crazy. What? It's just two right there. Chartreuse. James, it's just fucking blue. Damn it. Really james it's just fucking blue damn it really am i thinking of a different hat you really wanted them to be just a fascinating color and it's not okay it's a
Starting point is 00:23:53 complete they do have a cool hat though uh this it's got a white bill with the white front with the teal yeah i mean it's douchey but it's fine i thought it was i'm thinking of a completely different team there is a team in Florida. There's 100 minor league teams down there, so who knows? But there is a team in Florida that has some insane colored fucking hat. I remember seeing it on this website. Did you say chartreuse? Chartreuse.
Starting point is 00:24:16 I don't know what that is. It's like a bright yellow green. Greenish yellow. Yellowish green, I should say. I'd say lime green. Because it's not lime green it's lime green's a lot darker this is like a bright it's a fluorescent color it's with a c c h c h a char true oh god that's horrible yeah exactly that's what i'm saying french word james son of a bitch you know how. You know how I know it?
Starting point is 00:24:46 How? Because when I was a kid, once in a while I'd go fishing with my dad, and if you're fishing for bass, you'd use a spinnerbait, and he liked the chartreuse because that's what the color is on the fucking package. It's a chartreuse spinnerbait. So anybody who fishes, chartreuse is a color that's very commonly every redneck knows the word chartreuse what is that a chartreuse i've never heard that a chartreuse spoon bender there oh yeah i use that too caught me about a hundred crappy on that the other day
Starting point is 00:25:18 every hillbilly knows the word chartreuse claiming to be a man's man and you know the word chartreuse hillbillies all of them that's right god damn it caught my dinner on a chartreuse i don't give a fuck and they make fun of guys that what are you wearing salmon you know the word chartreuse i wouldn't wear it though i know enough not to wear it i ain't trying to catch a fish with my shirt eggplant shirt you caught a fish with chartreuse that's right i dominated nature with the help of my color knowledge what are you doing mister chartreuse baby that's hysterical they say things like what are you drinking some chamomile tea you know the word chartreuse uh-huh yep sure do sure do down in kisime caught me a big one boy i caught a fish so big i was reeling him in and
Starting point is 00:26:21 then a gator just latched on to him because it was a big enough meal for him too i pulled them both out of the water i said thank you chartreuse i ate them both that night we had fish and gator and we cut them up real good wait some kind of gay boy in a lavender bath you know the word chartreuse that's right mister sure do sure do feller calling me feminine in your fucking arsenal it's fucking hilarious because you know my dad yeah my dad i don't think the most manly man i know i don't think my father owns a shirt that doesn't have a harley davidson emblem of some sort on like i literally don't know if he does or not when at my grandmother's funeral i was like oh my god he's got a dress shirt and tie that doesn't the tie didn't even
Starting point is 00:27:14 have a motorcycle on it or anything i was like awesome it's not no insult but he likes to wear that stuff so yeah my dad is the one that told me that's a chartreuse spinnerbait so that's what i'm saying every if you fish you know chartreuse that is fucking hilarious otherwise i'd never know something i don't know so anyway the cassim the non-chartreuse hatted cassimi cobras close enough close enough we could we could picture him wearing one on a special event day or something, right? You're telling me there's a hat that's like that? That means the whole fucking uni, right? Yeah, it's that color.
Starting point is 00:27:54 There's another one that's like a crazy salmon color. There's wild hats down in Florida minor league teams because people down there will wear bright-colored wild shit. They don't care. Everybody's wearing sunglasses anyway, so you can wear the brightest shit possible. Who cares? They just reflect off the sun. Blocking our cataracts. Our cataracts.
Starting point is 00:28:14 So he has like a 125-game season down there. 505 at-bats. 505 is a good amount of at-bats. That's a lot. Yeah, you can get a gauge of what the guys like with that kind of number. Yeah, and the high A is better competition. That's where people are. There's high A and there's double A are the two that they're really,
Starting point is 00:28:35 that's kind of where the talent is. Double A, they always say, is where the most talent is. And then triple A is like a stop before you go up or a place to die. But it's not like that's not where. Or a place to rehab an injury. Or a place to rehab an injury. But anyway, in high A ball, he hits 267, which still not bad. Seven homers, 61 RBIs.
Starting point is 00:28:57 35 stolen bases, though, and only gets caught eight times. So he's establishing his deal here. 46 walks, 99 strikeouts so 135 hits pretty good year for him not too bad uh 1998 he remains in kasemi and high a so they keep him there for he thought he was going to go up to double a now and show what he could do and they want to take another look at him and uh so they interview him during this time, kind of about his slow rise. Like you, a lot of times,
Starting point is 00:29:27 you know, guy, I'll show some promise. They'll move them up that season. Guys will play in three different places in one year. Here, they're moving them up very slowly. And the fact that he's not getting moved up this year,
Starting point is 00:29:38 he says, quote, where I play is out of my hands. All I can do is put a, put good numbers up and try to do my best. 100% of the time. I feel more comfortable at short, but I play is out of my hands. All I can do is put good numbers up and try to do my best 100% of the time. I feel more comfortable at short, but I'm an athlete. I can play short, second, third, even first base if I have to. So he's trying to show how valuable he is.
Starting point is 00:29:57 But this is in the Astros' form system, right? Yeah, yeah. And the Astros, the other part is like they they're going to move you up as, as, uh, conditioning allows, obviously, but also according to what their need is, if they've got a great shortstop, how are you going to move them up super fast for fucking what? Oh, the other thing is who's in front of you, because let's say you have a good shortstop in the majors and then you have a, a, a top prospect in double a ahead of you. well, where the fuck are you going to play now? Either you move your position, and a lot of times
Starting point is 00:30:28 they don't want to move a player's position until they have to. So they'll keep him somewhere until the majors, and then they'll be like Alfonso Soriano when he came up with the Yankees. He was a shortstop through the system, but it was like 2002. Derek Jeter's there. You're literally never going to play. You could play somewhere else. But if you want to play for the Yankees, you better figure out something else.
Starting point is 00:30:51 You better figure out how to play second base in a mediocre fashion. There you go. He was a great batter, though. Oh, he was great. In the early rounds of the batting, he was fantastic. He had a lot of talent as a fielder, too. It's just he got moved to a different position at the end. That's not normal.
Starting point is 00:31:10 I don't know how good of a player Jeter or Cal Ripken or whoever would have been if you moved him from shortstop to second base at the last second. So who knows? Anyway, high A this year. He has 509 at bat, so the same kind of big season, and he hits 303. How about that? Now we're talking 303, seven homers, 62 RBIs, which the year before he had 761. So very consistent. That's his power.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Yeah, getting on base more. 51 steals this year, though. Holy shit. That's cooking right there. 51 steals. Got his walks up and his strikeouts down so 154 hits now they're looking at him like you know something here he is uh before the 99 season he is rated as the astros number seven prospect in their whole farm system so that's good you want
Starting point is 00:32:00 to be in the top 10 and so double a the next year they move them up to the jackson generals is where he plays here and this is in the texas league so jackson alabama or mississippi who knows jackson i could be texas i have no goddamn idea i mean there's a lot of jacksons i think good point yeah so as we found out big stamp on this country. And a lot of other people named Jackson. Could have just been some railroad guy named Tom Jackson. As we see from Small Town Murder, Miss Jackson. You know what? Maybe, you know what?
Starting point is 00:32:36 Maybe I think I know what happened. I think I get this now. As retribution, you know, to give back to Miss Jackson for their obvious, they feel bad. There's a lot of guilt there, you know? They're very sorry. So we're going to name a town after you. Who? Who?
Starting point is 00:32:55 I'm sorry, Miss Jackson. That's it. We named a town after you. You're like, this song sucks, dude. We got to change it, dude. I don't know. I mean, you're just naming a town? you. You're like, that song sucks, dude. We got to change it, dude. I don't know. I mean, you're just naming a town. What a weird song.
Starting point is 00:33:08 I don't think it's going to be a hit, bro. So Jackson Generals of the Texas League. Double A. Double A is a good test because that is where a lot of the heavy talent is. So that's good stuff. Here he has 445 at bats in 116 games. Hits 319. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:26 From 303 to 319. Not bad. 10 homers, 42 RBI, 25 stolen bases. Less strikeouts even more less now. Even more less now, Jimmy. Okay. Even more less now. Less strikeouts than the year before would be the human way to say it not
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Starting point is 00:36:12 We're all happy about that. The next year, he's moved up again in 2000 with the AAA team. So he starts the year at the Pacific Coast League, New Orleans Zephyrs, which when I think of the Pacific Coast, I think of New Orleans. That's what I think about. I guess that's tech. Is that even technically the Pacific? No, no, that's the Gulf.
Starting point is 00:36:36 It's the Gulf. It's not even the Atlantic. It's the Gulf. But the Gulf, doesn't that come out? It connects eventually to the Atlantic. So as a bigger, there's a whole Mexico between you and the pacific man all the way around south america to get we had to make a fucking canal so you didn't have to go all the way around the entire continent of south america to get to that that's how far away from the pacific i don't get it pacific coast league
Starting point is 00:37:01 which is like the san francisco to the seals and like all these other. That's crazy. I don't know. So anyway, he has a great year that year again. Even better. It's 327 that year. Yeah. Which is fucking amazing. And only 101 at bats because he's you will find out he doesn't play down there very long because he's hitting 327.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Three homers. Twelve. Yeah. Twelve RBI is doing better every year. Twelve steals. seven three homers 12 yeah 12 rbi is doing better every year 12 steals he's doing very well so well that by the way he also gets married around this point oh boy he's happy he marries a woman and her name is different everywhere you look um it's either the root of her name is Mabel, okay? But there might be an E-Y on the end of it. I think her name's Mabley.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And sometimes they shorten it to Mabel in the press for some reason. But I think it's Mabley. What I do know is she doesn't really speak English very well. She's from the Dominican. I know that much. So there's that. Now 2000, he's brought up to the Astros. Astros were managed by Larry Durker at that point.
Starting point is 00:38:07 72 and 90, they go that year. There's a lot of big guys on this team. This is Bagwell and Biggio are still here. We're talking Bagwell, Biggio, Moises Alou. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's a lot of big time fucking. It's a good team to be. I mean, it's got talent for a team that has that record.
Starting point is 00:38:28 That's embarrassing. They were kind of coming down off of their high. The late 90s, they were doing well. And this is Bagwell and Biggio. No, they didn't. Well, we'll talk. They had Scott Ellerton. Jose Lima was coming around.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Shane Reynolds. Wade Miller, Octavio Dottel. Remember Lima was coming around. Shane Reynolds. Wade Miller-Octovio-Dotel. Remember those guys? Mike Maddox. They actually had Dwight Gooden for one game that year. He appeared in one game. So they have Dwight Gooden. They have, yeah, a lot of guys like that.
Starting point is 00:38:58 But coming up, Lance Berkman's a young guy. Roger Cedeno. Ken Caminiti's on his way out. He's 37 and kind of dying at this point morgan ensberg just came up so this is kind of transitioning from this astro that old astros team to that mid-2000s astros team that was pretty good so transition in there julio plays in 116 games so i mean they throw him right in there 420 at bats again that's a lot of bats he hits 283 wow i mean you know they throw him in and he swims period i mean that's it 119 hits he has five triples which is a good amount of triples 10 homers 40 rbi 22 steals good stuff
Starting point is 00:39:42 numbers his numbers are very consistent with what he did in the minors. For a rookie, that's not bad at all. No. I mean, he is 24 because they kept him down there for fucking so long. But still, he's not playing below the competition. So good for him. 2001, he has his first full season. And this year, the Astros go 93-69.
Starting point is 00:40:04 There you go. Much better. Finished first in the Central.ros go 93-69. There you go. Much better. Finish first in the Central. They go to the playoffs. Their first series is against the Braves, and they get swept 3-0 by the Braves. So they're out. But Julio couldn't care less because he's doing fine.
Starting point is 00:40:24 He plays in 140 games, 513 at-bats. Wow. That's a full season. He hits 263. Terrific. 135 hits, three triples, 10 homers, 37 RBIs, so very consistent numbers all throughout. He makes $245,000 for this year. Not bad.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Not bad at all. I think that's close to the minimum at that point because he's a 43rd round draft pick who's been in the minors for five years. It's good money, but baseball's paying really well at this time, just not to guys that are generating those numbers yet. If you're a star, yeah, you can get huge money at this point. So 2002, Houston is 84 and 78, and they're second in the Central, but they do not make the playoffs. They must have missed a wild card there.
Starting point is 00:41:08 84 wins is kind of low for a wild card most years. He only plays in 88 games this year. I think he had an injury, actually. He has 322 at-bats. He hits 261, eight homers, 35 RBI. So it's kind of his typical year. 260s, few homers good good amount of steals decent on base percentage oh this year not actually this year 322 on base percentage you
Starting point is 00:41:32 gotta do better than that it's a leadoff hitter you can't be that's terrible we need you yeah not good enough uh it's just not good enough so but he's a young guy he He hits $325,000 that year. Much better. Much better. January of 2003, his son is born. Oh? Now, I looked everywhere and could not find this fucking kid's name. But I'm assuming it's Julio Jr.
Starting point is 00:42:02 I'm just assuming. Solid assumption. I'm going out on a limb and I'm saying it's Julio Jr., although I cannot be sure. Based on past numbers, I think it's a very safe bet. That's what I'm doing. I'm literally going on just past experience from crime and sports. Most of the time it's a junior. 50-50.
Starting point is 00:42:23 It's a higher percentage it's a junior than any other name so yes julio junior yes so there you go and we're gonna say at this point grace oh grace for julio here um because in his personal life i guess there guess right after his son's born here in 2003, he and his wife begin having some problems. And I guess they start discussing breaking up right after the kid's born. And, I mean, that's a very stressful time for any relationship. Everybody shows, like, on TV or if you know people on Instagram, like like it looks very idyllic when you have a baby. But there's a lot of stress, pressure, boy, lack of sleep, medical and hormonal things for everybody. You know, stress and money.
Starting point is 00:43:16 And there's so much go. And just the stress of, oh, my God, let's not break this incredibly fragile thing that just fell out of your body. If we drop it, it's totally going to die gonna die we really gotta keep an eye on this thing like they just kicked us out of the hospital two days into this and what are we supposed to do now we don't know what we're doing with this goddamn thing yeah that's crazy that they just really is they're just like well there you go it's came out of you you might not know what to do with it now you're like you're not gonna at least help me tell me what to do with it. Every time they came into the room, the nurse, it felt like she was like looking at her watch
Starting point is 00:43:51 and like shaking her head. I don't know. You got to go pretty soon. How you doing? That's it. You comfortable yet? Get the fuck out. The fuck?
Starting point is 00:43:57 If you cut your hand and went and got stitches, they'd give you instructions of how to keep it clean, not get it infected, when to come back, get it removed. There'd be like 10 minutes of instructions. They give you a baby and they're just like, yeah, don't let it die because then we'll get arrested. Bye. They don't tell you anything. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:44:15 They assume that someone's going to help you with that. I don't know. But hope you got somebody at home because I got other shit to do. Yeah. We got the room clear out. Get all those teddy bears and get the fuck out of here congratulations on your new baby i know this makes you smile a lot but wait till it cries and then you two fucking hate each other you two going are you getting up or am i getting up each other for
Starting point is 00:44:36 this crying either way let's just say grace right here like we we said. So there you go. Grace. Now, we say grace because the season starts this year, the 2003 season with Houston. And he's having kind of a tough April kicking off the season here and it gets much more difficult on april 30th 2003 where uh the houston police department receives a call from a very crying a very teary and and very hard to understand because her english isn't very good uh mabley lugo the wife here was 25 years old she calls now at this moment that she's calling the braves Astros game is about to start at Minute Meg Park here in Houston. She's calling from the side of the road to report that she is injured and needs some
Starting point is 00:45:38 help and that her husband, who just went to play a baseball game, beat the shit out of her. Oh, Lugo. Yeah. She said that they've been having marital problems. She said this is fucking crazy. She said they argued while she was driving him to the ballpark. Going to drop him off.
Starting point is 00:45:57 She said they argued in the 3800 block of the East X Freeway. the 3800 block of the East X freeway. And he said that he, she said he punched her in the, he punched her in the lip while she's driving with like a, kind of the back of his hand from the passenger seat, like, but it was closed fist and hit her in the, hit her in the face and knocked her fucking head into the window as well. And also there's more to this we'll talk about um so he caused her head to hit the window she said that she wanted to discuss their problem she was like we need to discuss what's going on in the relationship and he's like
Starting point is 00:46:37 shut the fuck up i'm gonna go play a baseball game i don't want to hear about it right now on my way to work she's like yeah well we got to talk about it so he turned the radio up to drown her out so which this is all normal behavior up to this point people people do this back and forth if they're bickering you know what i mean aggressive move though it's oh it's not good this isn't a good relationship i'm just saying this is like um not a legal problem at this moment he's kind of being a dick, it's not good. This isn't a good relationship. I'm just saying this is like not a legal problem at this moment. He's kind of being a dick, but it's not instigating. Yeah. No, like, you know, government officials need to be involved at this moment in time.
Starting point is 00:47:15 It's just a couple where the guy's sort of being a dick. So he ended up turning the volume. She tried to turn the volume down, and that's when he punched her in the mouth. Oh, and bounced her head off the fucking window there um when they got to the stadium she said he tried to take her house keys away from her he tried to like get her keys and rip the car rip the ring off she said that she said no you're not doing that you're not i'm being able to get into my own fucking house so when she tried to keep hold on to the keys she said he grabbed her by the hair and slammed her into the slammed her face into the the into the car so christ um yeah so and
Starting point is 00:48:00 she also told police in this in the report that this is not the first time he's assaulted her at all. But this is this is, you know, she's in the car and he did this on the freeway in the parking lot of his place of work. You know, too much time in Florida at the stadium. Maybe that's it. Two years in Kissimmee is too long. Yeah, he's coming up with some. He saw this happen all the time at the Rite Aid. You end up with chartreuse domestic violence, and that's a problem.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Raise a bruise on her face the color of chartreuse. Yeah. Oh, man. We're not making fun of that. This is just, this is disturbing, and we need to make. Why would you do it? We need to make jokes, too, because it's pretty fucked up. So, yeah, this is fucked up, man.
Starting point is 00:48:41 She said that this isn't the first time. This is just the first time she felt like she needed to call for whatever reason. She said she dropped him off about 2.45 p.m. and she drove to the 1500 block of Preston near LaBranch, and that's when she called police. police when they arrived she's crying and didn't speak much english so the initial cops had no they couldn't even talk to her so they had to call in i feel like the houston police department yeah you should be slightly bilingual probably certainly yeah in phoenix most cops on the street can understand some spanish you kind of have to but houston cops are not bilingual they just shrugged and were like i don't know what the hell she's saying what what do you i don't know what she's saying something about i don't know a fish or an english i don't know i don't know what where do they do you need a ride you need no no ride oh shit i don't know what the hell she's talking about so they called in they had to wait for spanish-speaking officers to get there they just sat there with this crying
Starting point is 00:49:49 woman and go i don't understand you they call junior and dangle out there like she's she's swing is it a piñata is that what you're saying i think she's saying she wants another shot at the piñata i think there's a party and she was i don't know what happened there kicked out to a party there's a piñata she made fun of she made fun of a girl's quinceanera dress i don't know what's going on now i don't know something something spanishy spanishy why wouldn't they send in houston of all fucking places why wouldn't they send in Houston of all fucking places? Why wouldn't you send cops out on the road that can speak Spanish? Well, also, when she called, she was speaking Spanish. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:33 So you think they go, hey, but I guess they didn't know if she from it. I don't know if they could tell if she was in imminent danger where they need to just send closest unit there to protect her or whatever the fuck it was but even if she was they wouldn't have known that because they didn't understand her so was it good so police right away they notice a lump on her forehead uh some reddish colored bruising to her face and she's got a bloody lip so right away you can look at her face and she looks like she kind of looks like the stereotypical, like, you know, television version of domestic violence. You know what I mean? Like you show up and she's got a bloody lip and a bruise and she's like, I fell down, you know, in some like 80s Lifetime movie about. She looks like what you would imagine every woman checking into the shelter looking like.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Exactly. And in your stereotype of a mind yeah she was taken by ambulance to the hospital where she's treated and released they said she didn't have her injuries weren't really shouldn't have a concussion and uh it was mainly just some painful just some bruising and bloodiness and nothing that you can call it superficial all they want but that's yeah yeah yeah just i mean at the in the ER, there was not much we could really do for her other than just kind of treat her wound a little bit and whatever. Gauze doesn't fix this mental anguish.
Starting point is 00:51:51 No, no. I would say no, it doesn't. So she's treated. Like we said, minor injuries released. And by the way, that day Houston lost 11-1 to Atlanta. I wonder what was on one player's mind something um i don't know if this was even on his mind because this according to her has happened before and he's never been arrested for it before so i don't know if this is even think about it i don't know if he's just man, fuck her when he leaves or what the deal is. So either way, he ends up about 10.45 p.m. that night because he had to show up in the afternoon.
Starting point is 00:52:36 The game's not until 7. After the game, he is arrested at the park. The cops show up. It's a family violence assault, a class a misdemeanor he's taken to the city jail he's released the next morning at about 10 a.m we're after posting a fifty thousand dollar bond uh they said he wasn't immediately arrested because a lot of people are like oh they let him play the game because he's a you know blah blah blah but they said actually we don't know if this is true or not but they said actually he was, they didn't arrest him immediately because he wasn't with her when they found him.
Starting point is 00:53:09 And when they found her, not that they couldn't go find him. He's literally in a uniform with his fucking name on the back of it in front of. And they say his name really loud where he is. With an intro song. And he comes up to the fucking plate. Like, you can find this fucking guy. It's pretty easy, yeah. There's kids with his jersey on and shit.
Starting point is 00:53:34 So they said that, but she called about 3 o'clock. But because of due process concerns, they consulted the Harris county district attorney's office about charges and obtained an arrest warrant before they took him into custody in other words they went oh shit we can't fucking march into the houston astro clubhouse and pull him out of it unless we're really sure about this we better you know what i'm gonna do pass the buck above me to the da and go hey we'll go in there if you want us to, but this ain't going to be my fucking call. That's what they did. And that's why they got an arrest warrant and all that.
Starting point is 00:54:11 Let's get all our, you know, eyes dotted, T's crossed here. So they said it's not unusual for a family violence investigation to take eight hours before it leads to an arrest. They say this is very, very normal. take eight hours before it leads to an arrest they say this is very very normal they said um mabel or mabley obtains a protective order against him which is normal in these cases and against their young son as well so he's not allowed to nice have any contact with either of them um yeah it prohibits lugo from going near the couple's home or threatening his wife in any way and it remains in place for 61 days. But during that time, she can request an order that lasts up to two years.
Starting point is 00:54:51 So the next day, it is a shitstorm. Really? He gets out of jail and it is like, wow. I mean, the public is they're fucking up in arms about this. I mean, the public is, they're fucking up in arms about this. He, the Astros immediately designate him for assignment. I mean, it's that day. The general manager, Jerry Hunsicker, said, quote, Julio Lugo will be removed from our team and we will have a 10-day period to dispose of his contract.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Wow. Yeah. When you're designated for assignment, it's different. If you have five years, I believe, service, and they designate you, then you can refuse assignment. And at that point, they have to release you and pay you your whole contract. And you can go play for somebody else, but they still have to pay you on top of what you get paid somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:55:39 But if you're less than that, then they kind of own you if you haven't been in the league five years. So they said that that, then they kind of own you if you haven't been in the league five years. So they said that there's, you know, that's what they're doing here. He's out on bail. That day also, Mabley files for divorce as well. Really? So she files for divorce. He gets designated for assignment, which, you know, basically means they tossed him.
Starting point is 00:56:05 They have 10 days to release, trade, or send him to the minors. The team. And Jerry Hunsicker, the GM, said, we felt it was in Julio's best interest and the best interest of the organization to put this situation behind us as quickly as possible and let Julio get on
Starting point is 00:56:22 with his career elsewhere. Great. We heard that shit we read the police report and that sounds fucking terrible and we don't want that guy it's hard to sell out of a woman yeah yeah it's hard to sell his jersey in the team shop with a straight face at this point after we read that fucking report it's just difficult really really hard here so his replacement comes on they get her they you know pull a guy up from triple a to replace him and that's that the astros said the astros organization is acutely aware of the issues surrounding domestic violence and we are completely
Starting point is 00:56:56 and we completely support the steps necessary to deal with it we disapprove of any violence it is unacceptable we are a family game with family values the astros family represents honesty integrity and family values you motherfuckers how dare you we have no tolerance or acceptance for anything outside those values. You lying sacks of shit. I'm sure it's not the same people. Until it gets us a ring! If you don't know everybody, if you don't care about sports or if you're like a foreign
Starting point is 00:57:34 listener or something in another country, the Astros, there's a giant scandal where they just cheated their way to a championship. And it's not like a, you know, ooh, maybe they did, maybe they didn't know they hardcore fucking cheated didn't they hack into fucking opponents computer shit too to find out their sky it's and then they were just tapping on trash bins so that the batter could hear the sign
Starting point is 00:57:57 and knew exactly what pitch was coming it's ridiculous to claim that you stand for integrity and honesty? Fuck you. Honesty, integrity, and family values. Wow. You cheating motherfuckers. By the way, if anybody says, I represent honesty, integrity, and family values, none of that shit is true. They don't represent any of those things at all. None of that shit is true.
Starting point is 00:58:24 They don't represent any of those things at all. They're probably a huge liar who's trying to take money from you or getting you involved in a multi-level marketing scheme. They are a snake in the grass and run. Wow. That is fucking funny. Just take that stance. That is, wow. That's hilarious.
Starting point is 00:58:45 It couldn't be any better. To do that to a man who treats his wife like that is, wow. That's hilarious. It couldn't be any better. To do that to a man who treats his wife like that is one thing, but then to treat the sport of baseball like he treats his wife is an entirely different thing. Totally. Jesus Christ. Wow. Oh, shit. So it makes it even more interesting because the Astros wives, I assume, including his Mabley, have supported the Houston area women's center and done a lot of work for them and time with them. An organization that works with victims of domestic violence and sexual assault.
Starting point is 00:59:18 It was the 14th year the Astros wives had had their annual organized the annual fundraiser for the place. They netted over more than one million dollars in 14 years. That's terrific. Good for them. Estro's wives had organized the annual fundraiser for the place. They netted over more than $1 million in 14 years. Wow. That's terrific. Good for them. They said the Estro's wives have been leaders in the community in their efforts to raise awareness of domestic violence issues. I'd say this is above and beyond the call of duty.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Absolutely. To raise, yeah, to actually be. Just being wives. She's not doing this to raise awareness is what I'm getting at. This would be above and beyond the call of duty. This was all a play act. None of this is real. We just did this to raise awareness of what it's like to be... No, this is real, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I took a fist backhand for you people just because I care. I care that much. No, that's not what happened. This is fucking horrible. It really is. So the Astros president of business operations, Pam Gardner, is on the board of directors of the Houston area Women's Center, which assists those affected by domestic violence. And Gardner said, my first reaction is how our organization deals with this. And I was proud that our organization dealt with it in the way we did.
Starting point is 01:00:26 We made a statement how we deal not just with domestic violence, but violence of any kind. It's unacceptable. We clearly stated that, and I'm proud of that. So that's the organization. The players, they're not so sure. No? Here's Orlando Merced. Yeah, not so sure.
Starting point is 01:00:47 here's Orlando Merced uh yeah not so sure he said uh because they said to him well you know I know that's your friend but he's accused of smashing her head on the car on the car uh punching her in the face bouncing her off a window grabbing her by the hair it's a lot of bad stuff he said you he said quote I can't picture Julio being that aggressive a person on the female. What do you mean? A video man? I just can't picture it. I mean, he's never beaten any of my female friends or relatives or my wife or anything. So I just don't picture it. You got to be able to.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Wow. Quote, I know the game gets to you, but you have to learn not to let it get to you. I wish I would have known about it. So maybe I could have helped. I don't think the game got to him. This has nothing to do with the game. That has nothing to do with the game. If you're driving to the stadium,
Starting point is 01:01:32 if your wife was bringing up how, you know, you're kind of lifting your front leg a little too much in your swing and it's causing a slump. Yeah. That would be an argument about the game. This had nothing to do with the game whatsoever. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:47 So what the fuck are you talking about? I can't see Chris Brown being such a talented dancer, being such a vicious man towards women. I can't see that. He dances with such joy. It's beautiful. He just dances with such joy. I don't see it. It's strange.
Starting point is 01:02:07 just dances with such joy i don't see it it's strange i mean that when jared told me told me about a five dollar foot long i really wanted one you know what i mean he thought you had passion for it you know and i feel like i don't think i can't see it i hope you can't see it christ's sake i think that's the point of people who do shitty things is they want you to not be able to see it otherwise they're not going to be able to do as do shitty things is they want you to not be able to see it otherwise they're not going to be able to do as many shitty things because everyone's going to avoid them we're gonna know yeah i don't think rihanna saw it either no not at all until she saw it she never saw that shit coming probably so lance berkman also they talked to he said quote julio is a friend of mine i want to support him.
Starting point is 01:02:47 I have no idea about any of the details. Well, you were just read them by the reporter who just said, how do you feel about him grabbing his wife by the hair and bouncing her off the fucking car? Is that OK with you? I was his roommate in the minors. He's in a tough spot because he's trying to be like, hey, it's my boy. He's a very kind person with a great heart. I'm very surprised at what he's charged with. So they're they're really careful. I'm very surprised at what he's charged with. So they're really careful. They don't even say what he did.
Starting point is 01:03:11 They just say what he's charged with. That's faith in the justice system right there. Yeah. Octavio Dottel, another left-handed pitcher. He said, quote, they don't find out the real story about what's going on. And they right away did this thing to him. What? I think it's bad.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Before they do something to him, they've got to find out the real thing. They didn't do that. He said that in Spanish, right? And he doesn't believe this, right? I think he said that in English is why it sounds kind of choppy. He was the guy who paid the $50,000 bail to get Lugo out out he was the one who went and picked him up and bailed him out it was dotel yeah and he heard i mean julio i'm sure he got an earful of everybody else probably hasn't talked to him i don't think fucking lance berkman's had a big sit down with him but on the way out of the
Starting point is 01:04:01 fucking jail he sat in the car with julio and And Julio probably unloaded, gave him an earful, and now he's talking to the press like he's going to be his spokesman here. Dottel also said, all the information is not out there. I feel bad. That's my boy. I don't think he's that kind of person. A lot of you guys around here know what kind of person he is. Whatever happened, he's not that kind of person okay a lot of the not that kind of person type thing which all right there's no such thing as
Starting point is 01:04:31 not that kind of person for anything because i've never heard very rarely when they catch a serial killer does people go he was i always thought he was that kind of person he just seemed like the type of person who wanted to cut women's heads off and store them in his woodshed. I really felt like that when I met him. I got that vibe immediately. It's always the same shit. It's always, he's not that kind of person. You know, I mean, Ted Bundy, he couldn't have done those things.
Starting point is 01:04:56 He's not that kind of person. He's too handsome. He's a nice guy. Yeah. John Wayne Gacy, the personality on him. Come on. What are you talking about? He's dedicated to KFC.
Starting point is 01:05:06 Not that kind of person. He loves it. BTK, he's a family man. He's not that kind of person. He's a goddamn Boy Scout leader and a fucking fish guy. What are we joking? He knows what chartreuse says. I guarantee you, BTK, you know what?
Starting point is 01:05:23 Oh, my God. Did he mention it? He did mention it. Oh, my God. Did he mention it? He did mention it. Oh, my God. He mentioned chartreuse? I read a book, right? I have this book. We're going to do it as a bonus episode for Small Town Murder because it's a lot about the upbringing of BTK, which you never hear about.
Starting point is 01:05:36 Never. It's uneventful but with a couple of weird things, so we'll get into it. Anyway, in this book, BTk writes this guy who writes the book all of these letters explaining his whole shit really yeah it's just btk letters for hundreds of pages oh boy and i'm pretty sure he mentions the word chartreuse uh-huh in in relation to fishing when he's a kid fascinating in these letters thinking about it i'm 90 sure of it so he knows chartreuse so anyway but he's not that kind of person i might be the world's biggest piece of shit and everybody has heard this word except for me probably not probably not
Starting point is 01:06:17 it's probably not you it seems to be like like the plural of charcuterie board. We'll take two chartreuse, please. Put like five, six chartreuse out, all right? We're getting a bunch of people. Yeah, no, some with cheese, with meat. Let's put them both out there. Get a veggie one. Let's mix it up.
Starting point is 01:06:40 We want several chartreuse. Put them out. Chartreuse. That's what it sounds like to me that's amazing so brad osmus the catcher he says we don't know how it's going to affect the club but i don't think it can get much worse because the team was shitting the bed at that point their dog shit too beating women and it's like jesus our starting shortstop the most important thing is for julio and his family to recover from this not so much how the team responds that's of secondary importance okay wow was he running for fucking office what the hell
Starting point is 01:07:16 kind of response is that that is the most important how his family recovers from this i could give a fuck how he recovers at this point. The team and everything, that's of secondary importance right now. We really need to deal with the human toll of the whole. He's running for office. Yeah. Fuck out of here, Congressman Ausmus. So the owner of the team here, Drayton McClain Jr., who sounds like he owns a baseball team in Texas. Drayton McClain Jr., oil man.
Starting point is 01:07:44 Of McClain Pipeline. Of McClain Pipeline. Of McClain Wildcat. Also, own a little club down in Houston called the Astros, if you ever heard of them. Them fellas play some good ball down there, let me tell you what. Fuck out of here, Drayton McClain Jr. That sounds made up. It sounds terrible. drayton mclean jr that sounds made up it sounds terrible if i watched a show yeah and the fucking patriarch of the oil family was named drayton mclean jr i turned the fucking show off immediately
Starting point is 01:08:12 like that is bullshit this writing sucks you son of a bitch drayton mclean jr nice to meet you he'd be like fuck you with like that is the bad guy in any construction firm yeah armani suit with cowboy boots and a 14 000 gallon hat snake skin band it was snake skin band drayton mclean jr he's gonna like steal the you call me jr he's gonna his plan is to steal the contract to build the old folks home and then build it with shoddy materials that's his plan we're gonna tear down the rec center to build it and we're gonna tear down the rec center where them dang kids are always dancing i'm tired of them kids just dancing all over that rec center when there could be old people dying from a poorly built building. And I could be profiting off of it. Me, Drayton McLean Jr.
Starting point is 01:09:12 In 2007, I'm going to build it with asbestos. Oh, asbestos is the best. That's the best kind. There's a reason we used it for many years, Jimmy, because it's very good and it works. There's a reason the word best is in it. It's asbestos. Really looking for the os. What's the best?
Starting point is 01:09:31 You need the best os, and this is asbestos. It's as best as the os gets is what it is. So I put it right in the walls, and these old people, they're going to die anyway. Let's be honest here. You're 93 years old. Maybe I'm helping them. I'm pushing them along a little bit. I think it's okay.
Starting point is 01:09:48 As best as it gets. As best as it gets, baby. That's the only way you could sell asbestos nowadays. Asbestos it gets. Come on down. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Quickly, I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases.
Starting point is 01:10:23 She wanted to fight me. Leave her. Leave her alone. OK, so, um. This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor.
Starting point is 01:10:37 You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head.
Starting point is 01:10:50 It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. James and Jimmy's Asbestos Factory. The water inoenix goes through those pipes man oh i know i know that's so crazy if you smell the water in phoenix and go yeah i'll drink that you know you know what you deserve whatever you grow because that shit it's the smell is to drive you away from drinking it like you shouldn't drink it
Starting point is 01:11:23 when it smells like that it It smells like rocks and sulfur. It's earthy, but also smells like eggs. Yeah, I'm going to down this. It smells great. I'm sure it's wonderfully clean. Fucking gross. Take a shower. Your shower smells like mud.
Starting point is 01:11:39 Isn't that great? Use a very strong soap. It's okay. Feel real clean. Yeah. Feel real clean. Yeah. Feel real clean. Use a strong fabric softener. No one will notice.
Starting point is 01:11:52 So the owner here, old Drayton McClain Jr., he said, quote, it just destroyed me. This whole thing. He said, quote, I was shocked first because I've known Julio very well. I was fond of him. He had an outgoing personality. I'd seen him come on to our club and make the club three years ago. And this just destroyed me. I was shocked first because I've known Julio very well.
Starting point is 01:12:15 And I was fond of him. You already said that. Jesus Christ. He said, I remember. I remember he shared with me when they were expecting a baby and when they had the baby. It was a great shock to me personally. Again, he keeps saying how shocked he is. He's a Texas man that just says, like I say, I was shocked.
Starting point is 01:12:33 I was just shocked. Personally, I was shocked. I remember he came to me when they were expecting the baby and then he told me when they had the baby. Like I say, I was shocked. It's just a great shock to me personally. It's a great shock, let me tell you. Guys in Texas love to say, like I say, I'm shocked. It's just a great shock to me personally. It's a great shock, let me tell you. Guys in Texas love to say, like I say. Like I say.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Like I say, very. I'm shocked, like I say. Shocked. Not nearly as shocked as when I tried, when everybody thought it was a dry well, but I told them otherwise, and sure enough, it was a spurter, baby. Like I always say, you say you gotta try like i say like i say sometimes it's all right to be shocked you know what i mean they love it like i say like i say so you haven't said that yet you're just now saying it why are you saying like i say like i say like maybe he said that earlier to someone else who wasn't around when we weren't here.
Starting point is 01:13:26 We were here for none of that. I didn't hear a shit. Evidently, he's just telling everybody this now. I don't get it. Like he says, just go along with it. Whatever. Just go along with it. It's going to take forever otherwise.
Starting point is 01:13:39 So, Julio himself also makes statements to the press here. So Julio himself also makes statements to the press here. He says, quote, it's not really the truth because my mom raised me better than that. What does that mean? If I had to fight somebody, she is not the one I'm going to pick. I've never been in a situation like this before. Some people drive you to the wrong direction, directions that you don't want to go okay let's we have to break that statement down i'm sorry not really in circles to dwell on it but yeah what he says like if you if you read or study any kind of like what people say when
Starting point is 01:14:18 they're lying like being interrogated and they're lying he everything he said is exactly the textbook of what people say when they're lying go on exactly like it's not really the truth because my mom raised me better than that your virtue thing like building yourself up as a virtuous person in an interrogation that's like saying well i would never do anything like that because i'm a christian that's the same thing people say that all the fucking time in interrogation. No, I'm a, I'm a,
Starting point is 01:14:47 I'm a, I love God. I'm a religious person. I, I'm a good family man. That's another one. I would never, I'm a family man.
Starting point is 01:14:53 I love my kids. Well, that doesn't mean that you didn't do that. You're just, you're trying to show me that you're too good of a person to do this. But yeah, so it's not really the truth because my mom raised me better than that is the least believable statement I've ever heard in my fucking life. I'm not going to fucking lie. Yeah. Like if you told a detective that in an interrogation room, they'd go, oh, good.
Starting point is 01:15:15 He did it. I know what I'm doing. I know exactly where I'm going now. That's a man who's afraid of the embarrassment this is going to cause his mother. Yeah. My mom's already my mom already yelled at me and told me to make sure to tell everybody that she raised me better than that that would be my thing wanted you all to know this isn't her fault yeah my mother's very mad at me would have been a more truthful statement that would have been my statement if something like this happened with me i'd be like my mother's very angry at me and she's been yelling at me all morning and she wanted me to know that she just this has nothing to do with her okay this is a outside of her scope so she's then he says
Starting point is 01:15:51 if i had to fight somebody she is not the one i'm gonna pick okay so if i was gonna do this i wouldn't do it to her because you know i'm so much bigger and stronger than her well obviously that's why you have no marks on you and she has the shit beaten out of her yeah clearly at that point then well wait here after that hold that thought jimmy hold what you just said then he says quote i've never been in a situation like this before every one of these statements are like an interrogator would be like if they say one of these that means that it's a bad sign he says all of them in a row like in a fucking i've never been in a situation like this before that means as little as the fact that your mom
Starting point is 01:16:36 raised you or that you're a christian or a family man or anything else not relevant um then he says quote some people drive you to the wrong direction directions that you don't want to go now okay i don't know if he means this literally like she was driving the car and was like not going toward the stadium the way i wanted her to go because she wanted to talk to me so we went over there so we argued and i got her to go back to the stadium or if he's saying it like she baited me like some people shark truce lures oh jesus christ i've been on it like a large i've been on it like a large mouth bass i ain't gonna lie i was just awaiting in the weeds god damn baited me or if he's saying it like some people drive you to do things you don't want to do like they
Starting point is 01:17:26 they get under your skin or they for like you know they ask for it is what he said i don't know what the fuck he's saying uh directions that you don't want to go as a person or actually to the stadium and not to drive you to the rocket stadium instead? Yeah. What is this, the Summit? Where are we? They don't even play here anymore. I don't know what he's saying there, but all of the things he says, though, and that's kind of vague. All of this shit is the worst shit that I don't believe at all. Yeah, it's bad. I just don't believe it.
Starting point is 01:18:02 He should have just said no comment. I want him to go, this is not true. I did not believe at all. Yeah, I just don't believe it. He should have just said no comment. I want him to go, this is not true. I did not hit my wife. I never laid my hands on her. It's absolutely not a thing I did or would ever do, and I did not touch my wife. Categorically deny all of it. I still don't know if I believe you at that point, obviously,
Starting point is 01:18:23 but I'll at least now look at the facts at face value. I don't even if i believe you at that point obviously but i i'll at least now look at the facts at face value i don't even have to see i know he's lying i don't even have to see anything that's all bullshit um he then says quote and he can't even claim like oh well you know the language thing he came here when he was seven like he speaks if you've heard him speak he speaks fine english he knows english very very well know, this isn't like a miscue. He then says, quote, it was embarrassing. That's why I said that. You nailed it.
Starting point is 01:18:53 You fucking nailed it. Yeah, he knows. He knows exactly that everybody is going to think less of him as a human being for literally beating the shit out of his wife. Like, a lot. And it didn't even stop in the car he they got out of the car and continued to fight you are a piece of shit and at your job at your job at your job at your job bro like not even at the house at your job in the parking lot of your job you're like let me bounce my fucking heads my wife's head off the car are you out of your job you're like let me bounce my fucking heads my wife's head off the car are you out of your fucking mind what is wrong with you it's hard to give an explanation for what you did
Starting point is 01:19:29 or why you did it when it's so goddamn embarrassing and if you did that at your job what does that say what you would do anywhere because the place you would be the least likely to bounce your wife's head off the car even if you were a domestic abusing asshole would be in at your fucking job in the parking lot of a stadium what the fuck man i mean at your job bro think everyone out there you all have jobs imagine how fucking crazy this is if you heard your co-worker just beat his wife's ass next to your Honda Civic out in the parking lot. Be like, what? What are you, crazy? Twice?
Starting point is 01:20:10 Once for that and twice for doing it here? Fuck me. That's what it is. It's just embarrassing. And for everybody, and the difference between him and the guy that has a fucking office job is that this gets in the newspaper. Yeah. Under starting shortstopstop that's the difference good and the way you and the embarrassing thing that it even makes more sense because all of his
Starting point is 01:20:33 statements were all embarrassment deflecting statements right i'm not a bad person because my mom raised me better than that then he says the if i had to fight somebody she's not the one i'm gonna pick because i'm tough i'm a tough i'm a i'm a i'm a tough masculine guy i i'm you know i'd fight a guy and kick his ass so that's also embarrassment of that it's all his embarrassment i was embarrassed it was embarrassing quote then he says it was embarrassing for me to just walk out there with the cops and have people looking at me dude this is all ego i've never been handcuffed in my life never been to jail i did a perp walk and i hated it yep and i didn't like it my mom raised me
Starting point is 01:21:13 better than that this has never happened before i've never been in a situation like this never been handcuffed i've never been to jail is another thing that guilty people say a lot innocent people might say it too but guilty people say it all the fucking time like i'm such a guy i've never been in this situation before i'm a christian and i am a family man and i'm this and that so he's embarrassed then he said quote when i saw the police out there i looked at them and just kept going like nothing was happening uh he said then he was escorted into a room where the police told him of his wife's allegations and um he said that his attorneys have advised him not to contact his wife yeah and because it's illegal yeah you shouldn't do that because you'll get arrested
Starting point is 01:21:56 there's a protective order against you remember you didn't like being arrested the first time they'll do it again they will do it again then he says quote i wish i could call her just to say i want to see my baby oh god sympathy the actual baby not not her not like i miss my baby not one of those quote it's been hard for me man begging for sympathy it's been hard for me man because of my baby it's's driving me crazy. I can't see him. I can't even talk to him. Well, yeah, because six-month-old kids usually aren't great conversationalists over the phone either. Why don't you try texting with him or maybe emailing with him and see how that goes?
Starting point is 01:22:37 He's six months old. You got to see the kid. It's not the same. There's no FaceTime back then either. I can't talk to him you also put him on the phone put julio jr on the phone right now fucking tape it to his head i don't care you also uh does he want to just get his side of the story over to the six month old right now is it yeah she brainwashes him i think i'm a bad guy i'm gonna going to plant the seed, man. It's only six months old, but I can plant the seed.
Starting point is 01:23:12 So all of these statements are the most self-serving statements I can think of. Now, I don't know. If you're falsely accused of something like that, I feel like that's just not what you'd say. I just feel like that's not what you'd say. You'd just be like, this just isn't true. It's absolutely, I'm disturbed that this is even brought up. It's not what you'd say. You'd just be like, this just isn't true. It's absolutely, I'm just, I'm disturbed that this is even brought up. It's not fucking true at all. I mean, I'd be trying to say, you know, here's what I did. Here's where I went.
Starting point is 01:23:35 I ended up doing that. I was here at this time. I would try to, you know, I'd be definitely trying to say this is the actually what happened rather than these vague proclamations of that. I'm too good of a person to do it. And then I'm sad about my baby. It just none of it's very good. Then he said he has to stay with a friend.
Starting point is 01:23:55 Now, I assume it's Octavio Dottel who bailed him out. His wife asked for a protective order, like we said, so he's not allowed in the family home. He says this is another thing. Quote, what part you know what let's give them an in their own words here because he's really gonna he's gonna tell you how hard it is on him right now and i feel like sympathetic music is the only thing that's gonna make this fucking more more insulting to our intelligence so let's just do it here. Let's give them the damn thing. In their own words, quote,
Starting point is 01:24:30 It's scary. You're a professional athlete. You're young. You have people who look up to you. My family, my brother, some fans. It's embarrassing to go through something like that. Just going to jail for one night, I think, is bad. Going to jail for a year, six months, whatever, it will change your whole life okay yeah it will i assume getting the shit beaten out of you in the
Starting point is 01:24:52 fucking minute made field parking lot probably doesn't help either so that changed your life yeah changed my life then a couple days later a reporter asked him a question and he yelled at the reporter and told him to fucking leave him alone about it. Really? Yeah, changed his tune there. I'm done talking about it. Changed his tune. So the GM here, Jerry Hunsecker, he said that designating Lugo for assignment was partly a baseball decision. He wasn't having the best year.
Starting point is 01:25:20 He's only hitting.246. He's got 12 strikeouts and three errors in 22 games he said quote for a number of days now all of us on the baseball side have been discussing ways that we can help the ball club out of its slump certainly julio shouldn't be singled out as the reason this club is is the way it is but anybody who follows our club should know the shortstop position has been under scrutiny many of us felt there would be a change if we had an option he basically said i mean it was just the next it was a it was the kick in the ass we needed to shit can this guy we've been looking for a reason he's playing so so and it was enough to keep him on the team but then he punched a woman any bunch of them were like you know what that's he was
Starting point is 01:25:59 he was right on the border he's right in the fucking right on the on the bubble there and this pushes him out of it i think guys the punch women may as well be batting 118 fuck him that's fuck it so they said that uh quote this team in our opinion is much better than the team uh results indicate there are a lot of breakdowns in a lot of areas i would suggest if there's not a turnaround here in the very near future you can expect some more changes to be made. So they're saying this. Anybody else? Hopefully other people start hitting their wives and we can fucking shit can them, too, because we want a clean house.
Starting point is 01:26:33 So May 9th, 2003, just before the end of the time, because they had 10 days, he is released by the Houston Astros. Released. Gone. They still have to pay him, though. That's the thing. But it's not a big contract or anything. It's minimum, so it's fine. So May 15, 2003, six days later, all this is still in the air.
Starting point is 01:26:55 The Tampa Bay Rays sign him. Perfect. They sign him. Florida, are you serious? I can't. Six days? You wouldn't wait for this to resolve before you signed him? Just let's make sure that, you know, let's make sure that it doesn't come out that this is like a systematic,
Starting point is 01:27:11 this guy beats the shit out of his wife three times a week and, you know, let's make sure. Let's just make sure. This is early in the Rays' existence. They need players. And listen. Oh, they sucked back then, too. They were terrible back then back they're looking for anybody that can swing they are anything so let's i'm gonna read an article here from a tampa paper
Starting point is 01:27:34 uh tampa bay times this is from sports columnist john romano here and this is uh they signed him and you're gonna expect some opinions against it, I would say. And I'll let him voice it because he was a Tampa guy. He said, just when you thought it was safe to applaud, just when you were getting excited about Lou Piniella's return and intrigued by Rocco Baldelli's arrival, the Devil Rays have fouled the air.
Starting point is 01:27:59 So that's like, they've made a fart in the... They've made Tampa smell worse. Somehow. They've let more ro fart in the... They've made Tampa smell worse. It's somehow. They've let more roosters in the street. He said, they have shown once again, they simply don't get it. Shortstop Julio Lugo was accused by police of whacking his wife in the face. And a thousand miles away, the Rays are offering to turn the other cheek. So this is our fate?
Starting point is 01:28:21 To not only have the smallest payroll, the fewest fans, but also the lowest standards. Jesus, because that seems to be the inference. It's as if the Rays want to see how low they can go. If you survive signing an outfielder once accused of bigamy, got away with promoting a relief pitcher once labeled a bigot, will anyone squawk about scooping up a shortstop accused of domestic abuse? I think it was John Rocker. Did he go there? It must have been, right? I think it must have been him. To me, this is what integrity goes for these days. Oh, tell me. Sorry. It's a question. A 246 batting average and two RBIs. Are these the priceless things you want to promote? That violence is pardonable if you're able to reach ground balls in the middle.
Starting point is 01:29:08 The Rays have taken a stand, whether they admit it or not. They have in their rush to get their hands on a player, belittled, battered women. Understand we're not debating Lugo's guilt or innocence. He'll have his day in court. We're not suggesting he does not have the right to earn a living. The Astros will pay Lugo lugos 1.575 million dollars whether he plays or not this is about sending the wrong message about demonstrating a little sensitivity toward a serious problem this is about the rays showing more concern for
Starting point is 01:29:35 grabbing a bargain than understanding values let's uh let them say what they want about due process let them preach about second chances with their diligent background checks. This is still wrong. So, uh, he says what the rays are saying. They know better than the police who charged Lugo. Uh,
Starting point is 01:29:52 they know better than the judge who issued Lugo's estranged wife or restraining order. They know better than the Astros who immediately waived him. They know better than a community wondering about its team's ethics. Uh, maybe the charge will one day be dropped. Maybe Lugo, like others before him, will complete his career without further questions of sin or disgrace. But why is it up to the Rays to rush to his defense?
Starting point is 01:30:14 It's not as if he's a lifelong resident of the community with good enough will to warrant the benefit of the doubt. We don't even know this fucking guy yeah so he said um uh she he said he told the chronicle quote the situation is not as it appears lugo told the chronicle yes well it appeared to the houston police officers that mabel lugo had a lump on her forehead some bruises on her face and blood on her lip now what part of that is not as it appears that's the thing excellent question that's unless are they saying that she beat the shit out of herself unless they're saying that yeah what are we talking about i think it's i think it's uh very obvious that uh luco is saying she made me do that to her that's right that's the inference i got that's that's what it feels like he's saying she she nitpicked me and made me hit her what the
Starting point is 01:31:06 fuck are you talking about man fuck man so yeah you're right sorry no so he goes over this part again Mabel Lugo told the police she was driving to the ballpark he turned up the radio he punched her in the mouth they got to the stadium she tried to take the house keys away reads the police report thing here. This isn't the first time he assaulted her. He goes on to say, does this mean he's guilty? No, but it should raise enough doubt about his character to make a team think twice about bringing him to town, particularly within days of the alleged assault.
Starting point is 01:31:37 Like, yeah, he just got shit can. But shouldn't the learning process last longer than the bruises? And by the way, where was that tolerance for Jorge Sosa? He got sent to the minors this week after throwing a hissy fit in the dugout. Would he have been excused if he took his anger out on a woman in the parking lot? Look, I understand people make mistakes, and the ability to forgive and have faith in the promise of a fellow human being is an admirable quality. But at some point, you go from being compassionate to being overly permissive. And that line is now visible in Tampa
Starting point is 01:32:07 Bay's rearview mirror. That's cold. And this is not the first time the Rays have pursued a player with past charges. Before Lugo, there was Jose Canseco's abuse charges. There was Toe Nash's legal problems. He's one of our guys. Those are two of our alumni there. There was John
Starting point is 01:32:23 Rocker's intolerant opinions. I suppose you could argue that Nash was young and impressionable and deserved a second chance, which he had a terrible. Yeah, I give that guy a lot of chances. You could, but he did bad things. You could say Canseco was misunderstood and constantly in the spotlight. You might suggest Rocker finally expressed regret. What excuse is there for Lugo?
Starting point is 01:32:46 When does Tampa Bay cease to be a halfway house for renegade players who happen to fall within our price range? Halfway house for renegade players who happen to fall within our price range. That's poetic. That's a poetic fucking rip right there. Oh, my God. I love halfway house. It's the funniest. poetic fucking rip right there oh my god that's fucking funny heaven knows the rays have not been an easy group to embrace they are churlish with the fan stingy with cash and unfair with unfamiliar with success all of which makes for the timing of this move all the more asinine for the first
Starting point is 01:33:23 time in forever the rays have a roster of possibilities. It's not that they are winning more games or competing in the division. It's because they are an easy team to support. Young, aggressive, and mostly cheerful. Why mess with that? Why follow Josh Hamilton, by the way, another one of ours, Josh Hamilton's headlines with Rocker's headlines, and later with Lugo's headlines?
Starting point is 01:33:44 Why would we want this type of abuse? So, yeah, the Rays have scooped up an inordinate amount of our fucking discarded crime and sports guys. They really have. There's so many of them. The Rays, dare I say it, are like a cyclical battered wife that keeps going back for the shit bag. They're like the Cowboys. Yeah. They're the CFL of baseball.
Starting point is 01:34:12 That's what they are. They love an abusive relationship. Oh, man. So June of 2003, Julio and his wife are divorced. That quickly. She took it dead ass serious. Good for her. It goes quick. Oh, she took it dead ass serious. Good for her. It goes quick.
Starting point is 01:34:28 Now, July of 2003 is the trial. The divorce is signed right before the trial. Now, okay, listen to what happens now. So, during the trial, opening statements, prosecutors, now he's signed, but he's not playing. He's at a trial right now. Okay. They say that he grabbed his wife by the hair, slammed her face first into the vehicle, punched her, hit her head on the window. We told you everything there.
Starting point is 01:34:53 So the defense attorneys dispute the charge. They say that Lugo instead, this is self-defense is the problem. Okay. They're calling this self-defense, even though he had not a mark on him. Not a mark. No, he's Bruce Lee. That's They're calling this self-defense, even though he had not a mark on him. Not a mark. No, he's Bruce Lee. That's all.
Starting point is 01:35:08 It's self-defense. I'm so much better of a fighter than her. That's just how it worked. One-inch punches. Yeah. He said he was trying to prevent his wife from hitting him and didn't mean to hurt her. Okay. And didn't mean for this to happen multiple times. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:24 Quote, this is his attorney, Chris Tritico, just so we know what asshole said this. Quote, he did what any human being would do. He blocked the hit. There was no intent for Julio to hit his wife. He did not want his wife to hit him. So he blocked her so hard that she hit herself. She hit herself, bloodied herself and bashed her head into the window then she grabbed herself by the hair and bounced her head off the car too there's also that part how could he say that i get i get it you gotta give
Starting point is 01:35:57 him a defense you've got it he's hard to say some crazy shit and you say it but that's it that's unbelievable the tratico told jurors mabel lugo twice tried to strike her husband and julia was just attempting merely attempting to block her blows when she received a lump on her forehead and a swollen lip wow i mean that's just how it goes he said she's attacking you know she didn't get a mark on him, though. Like we said, his defenses are impenetrable. But sorry, don't fuck with a dude who's such a badass like Julio Lugo. That's what he just said. The district attorney, Catherine Evans, tells jurors that Lugo and his wife began arguing about their marriage, told him what happened there and all of that.
Starting point is 01:36:43 She said, quote, he grabbed her head then slammed it into the back of the car afterward she drives away she's scared she's upset she calls police so um a houston police officer jesus de la cruz testified that mabel lugo was crying had a swollen lip a bump on her head when he interviewed her and um he also noticed that some of her clothes had been torn she had like rips in her shirt yeah like this was she looked like she the stereotypical if a battered wife baseball card is what it would be a little tear on the shirt a fucking lump on the forehead bloody lip this is fucking disgusting so a lot of shots man and he gaslights her with turning the radio up like yeah did all her yeah you know i'm busy bitch i can see this happening and he's just getting
Starting point is 01:37:30 more and more mad on purpose so she takes the stand mably or mabel whatever she completely recants everything uh-huh takes it all back now oh boy she said that uh julio didn't mean to hurt her um this is after a divorce agreement was signed now okay alleged alleged alleged in my opinion whatever the fuck but what are the odds that they during the divorce thing they said basically like hey um if we go through with this and you start testifying and saying all this shit that happened and i go to jail for six months my baseball career is over i hit 260 i'm not jose canseco i don't have fucking 40 home runs so my career is over you're gonna get ugots from me forever or right let's clear my name i keep playing and then you're
Starting point is 01:38:24 gonna still you'll get your alimony or you'll get your you'll get child support yeah the minimal that i'm that i'm willing to give i i mean not to be cynical more than nothing whatever the judge assigns but still not to be cynical but the timing is crazy it's before. What are you fucking kidding me? So she said that she started the argument. It was her fault. She said, quote, I exaggerated of because of the state I was in, but it was not something that I needed to call the police. Oh, Mabel.
Starting point is 01:39:00 Yeah. Yeah. Blood exists outside your body where it it shouldn't be, really. Something, at least, man. All of her testimony contradicts the account she gave to the police and contradicts things she said as late as like three days earlier to the prosecutors. She was still standing, sticking with the story. prosecutors she was still standing sticking with the story um she told police they were driving to the stadium for the game and she wanted to talk about their marriage she says that he refused and turned up the radio she said that when he turned the radio down um uh before she had said he hit
Starting point is 01:39:40 her but now she said no now she said that she instigated the confrontation that caused her wounds which still i don't instigate it is still did he how did the wounds get on your head was there was it with his hand because that means he hit you she said that wow the bump on her forehead was her attempting to pull away from him and she banged her head on the window. You know, she was like, oh, and then pop. And then it's, you know, she went and whacked her head on the window and got a bruise. That's what the defense is saying. She also testified that, quote, Julio did not mean to hurt her.
Starting point is 01:40:20 Wow. This is like, again, baseball back of the baseball card. Fucking stereotypical this sucks man um i mean unless she said look i was mad at him i wanted to get back at him so i punched myself in the face and whacked myself until i got a fucking lump on my head to get him in trouble unless she says that i don't believe it right if she said that in a parking lot just backing herself saying nobody's gonna believe you yeah if she said i was trying to fuck up his career and i was really and i've gone to therapy since then i realized that's you know blah blah blah i would believe
Starting point is 01:40:55 her then i don't believe this this sounds like a battered wife who's trying to get her husband out of trouble yeah and you know it sounds like and if that is the case i think that person needs jail time also one way or another somebody deserves jail time for this shit this is fucking crazy and not everything everybody says is true we're not saying that just because she said it it's true but everything around it seems like that's what the fuck happened to me, in my opinion. But that's, to me, whatever. So anyway, she said that, yeah, she takes responsibility and everything like that. The prosecution continued with testimony from other witnesses, like people who saw her, heard what she said then and everything like that. So his lawyer said, quote, we had some inkling that this might happen i had no idea that it was going to be so strong for us though so the uh the law allows the state
Starting point is 01:41:54 to pursue prosecution in cases of abuse with hearsay evidence from a witness the prosecution plans to call two more police officers who took statements. You know, so there you go. The prosecution closing prosecutor says, quote, she was not happy to be here. Talking about Mable, maybe Mable, Mable, Mable, Mable or Mable. Quote, she is protective of her husband. She is anxious. She is nervous. I don't blame her.
Starting point is 01:42:21 How's house? How is it to what What did he say? How sad is it... Sorry, it says sad here. How sad is it to hear a woman say over and over, I hit myself with the truck. I provoked him. It was my fault.
Starting point is 01:42:38 Yeah, she did. She said, I provoked him on the stand and all this too, but it's crazy. The defense, Chris Tritico, he told the jurors that Lugo didn't mean to hurt his wife as they argued. He was only trying to defend himself. Quote, Julio Lugo committed no assault.
Starting point is 01:42:54 She didn't need any help because she wasn't assaulted. That's what he said. He said that Julio never slammed his wife's head against the vehicle. She ended up with a bump on her forehead when she hit her head on the SUV as she pulled away from him. She was simply trying... Her changing her story now is, quote,
Starting point is 01:43:14 simply trying to correct an exaggeration of the facts during her testimony. Yeah, this is fucking crazy. So the verdict comes in. It's a six-person jury, this little panel. Four men, two women. They deliberate 20 minutes and come back with not guilty. Of course.
Starting point is 01:43:36 Of course. He's acquitted Wednesday and is expected to rejoin the team in time for today's game with the Rangers. On the field that night. Wow. Not to mention, afterwards, he went over to thank the jury. Lugo, a lot of people do that. A lot of people thank the jury. They have started asking him for autographs.
Starting point is 01:44:08 Some of the jury members got autographs from him. They asked him for autographs. Yep. He said Lugo also offered autographs and autographed baseballs and was going to send them to the jurors as a thank you. I don't like that. to the jurors as a thank you i don't like that so did the did that l.a county uh group also get footballs and jerseys from oj they fucking should have i don't know man they missed out if not he should have sent some real well you don't want his memorabilia he'll come back at you later then you'll really be fucked yeah he's got a gun on you're like oh shit maybe you were guilty what a wild
Starting point is 01:44:48 way to thank a jury that is interesting the prosecutor katherine evans called the scene quote slightly surreal like i'd say slightly sickening yeah what fucking bizarro planet am i on right now but declined to comment on whether jurors were blinded by fame like the whole thing's i don't know what the fuck just happened in there this is crazy we had a completely thing different thing two days ago now now it's her fault she says that the jurors want autographed baseballs i'm going home i'm going home i'm gonna drink about fucking two boxes of wine talk to you you Monday. Fuck off, everybody. That's all you could say.
Starting point is 01:45:29 The the Tritico. This is Lugo's lawyer said it's not uncommon for a person who's acquitted to thank the jury afterwards. It's uncommon to send them autographed memorabilia. Probably that might is probably not the most common thing. Monetary gain. I mean mean they could sell that baseball that's just what the fuck are we talking about oh my god do they oftentimes get bed bath and beyond gift cards or some shit what yeah what are you talking about i don't know so the next day they talked to the prosecutor probably with a massive wine headache.
Starting point is 01:46:11 And the prosecutor said about Mabley, quote, she had never, ever said it didn't happen until yesterday. Like in court. Quote, I felt he committed the crime and I still believe that. Thank you. I think I'm with you. So his attorney said, quote, we said all along that if the true facts came out, he would be found not guilty. The way Assistant District Attorney Catherine Evans selected the jury, I had a feeling Mrs. Lugo was going to tell the truth. What? What difference does that make? They spent a lot of time asking how they would feel if a spouse comes in and said the husband didn't do it.
Starting point is 01:46:42 We had some inkling that was going to happen, but just didn't know it was going to be this strong they said that because that's extremely common in domestic violence cases that's why they said that to the jury i guarantee you they say that to the fucking jury when they ask those questions on every single domestic violence fucking trial what if every time it didn't happen then what would you do absolutely yeah the victim isn't is a good witness but not the most reliable witness that they're going to want to testify and that doesn't that's not the thing so they might not want to testify or they might want to just get away from it because it it's fucking traumatizing so anyway uh julio um mabel by the way when the when the verdict was read uh julio lugo's mother and mabel hugged wow yeah she was sitting right behind him and everything uh julio said i told everybody from the first day that when the true facts came out everything would be fine my wife told the truth tuesday and on wednesday i was
Starting point is 01:47:46 found not guilty i'm glad it's ago yeah it's not your wife yeah that's the other thing i'm glad it's over like i said one time i knew the truth was going to come out i was ready for this moment it's something that's over and i want to put it behind me. I'm very relieved. Well, here it's back. So enjoy. Now, Mabley, she says, because they said, well, what the fuck? Basically, she said, quote, I was upset and very confused. Quote, he wasn't at fault. That's all she would say.
Starting point is 01:48:20 She said that she even said they might we might even reconcile now she says quote we still love each other i don't want to go back i don't i want to go forward so she wants to be with him and still that doesn't happen by the way okay good so i wonder if he hung that out is maybe we'll get together maybe we'll get back together you know what i mean yeah maybe we'll get back together and everything will be great yeah have some conversations with some professional i need help and we're just gonna make it all better now i just want a better dad so either way he's fucking strutting out and going to play for against the rangers that night which is interesting and he gets to the stadium yeah that night and he's told actually uh by the security when he gets
Starting point is 01:49:07 there when he's coming in they're like hey julio by the way you have there's a visitor waiting for you in uh in one of the team rooms they have like family rooms yeah we're like you could store your wife and kids for a few minutes or whatever yeah so they're like you know going this guy's in there you got a visitor so um he opens up the door. He's like, I'm not expecting anybody. Maybe it's celebration. Maybe it's my lawyer or something or whatever. And he opens up the door and it's not his lawyer.
Starting point is 01:49:33 It's not a celebration, but it is somebody that kind of has his back. It's Adam Pac-Man, the arugula connoisseur Jones. He's there to break the whole thing down. And he says, I should make him music, shouldn't I, one of these days? The whole point was he didn't need music because he had an explanation. Either way. And he says, is there a Popeye's jingle? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:57 How is it you've come to arrive here? This is the worst case of misrepresentated facts I've ever seen in my life. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And you're talking to me. And I've had plenty of things completely misconstrued about lots of stuff I've done. Now, obviously, this woman was, you know, she's driving a car. So you don't, you know, you need her to calm down.
Starting point is 01:50:23 You were trying to say listen i understand and then obviously how many times are you driving and somebody says oh i'm gonna turn the radio up and then you hit your head on the window hard enough to bruise it it happens all the time so i'm sorry i think this is ridiculous you've done the right thing and good for you sir good for you yeah goodbye and poof in a in a poof of popeye's boxes and arugula he's gone chicken tenders and julio's like huh okay the fuck are we talking about here so back at the stadium he comes in lou panella tells the media the manager of the devil rays now says quote I think it will take a load off his mind
Starting point is 01:51:07 and allow him to play without anything hanging over his head terrific great Lou tell that to the fans because there's no way people from the stands aren't shouting shit no shit although there's like 4,000 people at a Rays game in 2003 so they're probably not
Starting point is 01:51:23 if you can if they do you can hear all of it. So that season, they finished 63-99. Good, they deserve to suck. This is their starting nine usually here. Toby Hall, Travis Lee, Marlon Anderson, Julio Lugo, Damon Rolls, Carl Crawford, who became a – he was only 21 at this point, though, so he was nothing.
Starting point is 01:51:49 Rocco Baldelli, only 21 here. Aubrey Huff, who's out of his mind crazy. And Al Martin was the DH. They had Damian Easley. They had some, like, older guys on the bench that were – you know, Ray Ordonez, guys like that. Not a great team at all. Victor Zambrano was the team's ace pitcher.
Starting point is 01:52:08 That says a lot there. This year, though, for Tampa, well, for the whole season. I'll give you his whole totals for the 2003 season. He hits.271,.498 at bats,.271. He had 12 stolen bases, 15 home runs, career high. Had a great year. Sure did. And he makes $1,575,000.
Starting point is 01:52:33 Yeah. 2004, 70 and 91 for the Rays. They finished fourth that year. That year, he plays in 157 games, 58 at bats hits 275 seven homers 75 ribbies 21 steals very good year yeah one million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars oh so it's going up 2005 tampa 67 and 95 this team Plays in 158 games. 616 at bats. That's official at bats. Plate appearances, 690 plate appearances.
Starting point is 01:53:12 That's a shitload. He hits 295, though. Career high for him. Six homers, 57 ribbies, 39 steals, only caught 11 times. Not bad. Had a really good year. $3,250,000. What the shit?
Starting point is 01:53:30 He has made $6 million. Making fucking bank. So 2006, July 31st of 2006, he's traded by the Rays to the Dodgers for Joel Guzman and Sergio Pedrosa, so a minor leaguer. 2006 Dodgers, he didn't like being here, by the way, because they wanted him. They thought of him, and they said in the paper they thought of him as like a super utility guy where you can plug him in anywhere. And he said, I just want to play a position and know what I'm doing every day, and I don't want to be super utility guy where you can plug him in anywhere. And he said, I just want to play a position and know what I'm doing every day. And I don't want to be super utility guy. I want to be starting shortstop guy.
Starting point is 01:54:12 I like that better. Sharting, starting, sharting, sharting shortstop guy. He makes less money if he's sharting while he's playing. Starting shortstop guy makes way more money than utility guy. So sharting or not. Shortstop with crones makes the least he makes still more than the utility guy shockingly enough a starting sharting shortstop makes more than a utility guy even the best who's got complete control of his bowels so anyway la is 88 and 74 that year they actually go to the playoffs and get swept by the mets in the division series yeah jesus christ that year though 2006 he hits 278 12 homers 37 ribbies 24
Starting point is 01:55:01 steals he's pretty consistent guy here his His money keeps going up, though. He makes $4,950,000. Oh, boy. That is 50 grand shy of $5 million in one season. Not bad. Oh, my. Professional sports, James. The way to go.
Starting point is 01:55:21 It will make your salary go up ten times, ten tenfold if you just punch your wife in the face she's made so much more money if you look at it that was the best thing that could ever happen was career i understand it's the way contracts work out and all that but still he's just been making bank awful and since he walked out of court that day, his life is just a better roses. Oh, my God. Signs the limit. Just straight up. So he becomes a free agent that year, 2006. December 5th, 2006. Signs as a free agent with Boston Red Sox.
Starting point is 01:55:57 All right. It is a four-year, $36 million contract. My Christ. Yeah, that's a lot of fucking money man that is a lot nine million nine million a year babes that's good shit um he he's brought in to hit lead off but ended up being at the bottom part of the order because he isn't a good fucking lead off hitter because his on base percentage sucks ass he's not good at getting on base. He's good at getting hits. Got it. Which the leadoff hitter, that's why it's hard because you're also
Starting point is 01:56:29 it's some guys can either be in the mindset of trying to work a count or get hits. They can't do both and the leadoff hitter has to be able to do both. So 2007 with the Red Sox, they go 96 and 66 and are first in the AL East division series. They sweep the angels 3-0 uh then the alcs
Starting point is 01:56:49 with the indians it's a seven gamer oh goes all seven and they end up going to the world series they beat the indians four to three in the series to play the colorado rockies who really had no business being there and the redx swept them very quickly. Yeah, that was it. And the Red Sox win the World Series. And, you know, Lugo is a world champion. Wow. Add a ring to his.
Starting point is 01:57:15 Wow. Good fortune at this point. That's a bad fist to put a ring on. Yeah. You don't. He doesn't need a big ring on top of everything else. Dangerous fist to be bejeweling oh shit he had a rough year too in parts july june 15th through july 2nd he went
Starting point is 01:57:34 oh for 31 at the plate oh christ just like oh for like fucking six seven games that's not good that's not good at all uh at that time he only had a 189 batting average is that all oh for 31 i'll really drop your batting average quite a bit in the middle of the year fuck your year since 1996 only greg vaughn who had a 163 average remember greg vaughn yeah from the brewers yep uh he had a 163 average also with tampa because they'll take anybody's discarded garbage yeah on june 27 2002 only he had a lower batting average with more than 250 at bats 80 games into a season than julio so historically terrible is what he's doing right now second worst second worst but then at the first week of july after the second he turned it all around he had ended up having a 14 game hitting streak wow there um
Starting point is 01:58:33 he was 24 for 54 during that time period okay which is on fire 444 hitting that's great raised his average from 189 to 226 shit from embarrassing just to shitty that's good from like it stands out in the line of two two two two three two two one what the fuck is one to at least blending in with everyone else's shit i wonder because i mean these guys all have slump buster ideas things yeah that I want to know what his trick was, like really bad. Jesus Christ, turning the radio down. I don't know. This is, I'd like to know.
Starting point is 01:59:14 It had to be something, though. Yeah. He also had a streak of 20 consecutive stolen bases. Oh, wow. Without getting thrown out, which set a Boston Red Sox record. So that year, altogether, 570 at-bats in 147 games. He only hit.237, but that's a big raise from.189 in the beginning of July. So he really did a lot there.
Starting point is 01:59:36 Eight homers, 73 RBIs, 33 steals, only six times getting caught stealing. So that's damn good. So not bad even better he makes eight million two hundred fifty thousand dollars that year oh there you go oh man that's good stuff right there that's retirement money also in 2007 things are going so well might as well get married let's add some let's do it he marries cir Lugo. Circe is her first name. S-U-R-K-I. At the Primata Cathedral of America in the Dominican Republic.
Starting point is 02:00:12 They'll end up having three more children, too. He'll have two sons and a daughter. Four kids all together for Julio. Yeah, they're a good marriage. 2008, team goes 95 and 67 the red socks do they do go to the playoffs with a wild card beat the angels in the first round and then lose a seven game alcs to yeah tampa bay so uh he had a tough time again he has weird periods of slump during 2008 he committed
Starting point is 02:00:48 16 errors through july 5th so that's a lot of errors at shortstop especially that's a lot to have on a season that's a lot yeah that's what i mean uh it was it was about one third of the errors made by the red socks as a team at that point. There you go. Just by him. That's too many. Yeah. Then, a little while later, after July 5th, he ends up hurting his left quad while running out a ground ball. And he ends up being on the disabled list and missing the rest of the season.
Starting point is 02:01:21 So, he only hits.268 with one home run, rbi 12 steals that year only 82 games so he plays pretty much you know half the season one game over half this exactly half the season 2009 comes around starts out with the red sox but july 22nd 2009 he shipped off from the red sox to the st lou Louis Cardinals for Chris Duncan. That's a great organization to be a part of. That's not bad at all. And again, they go 91-71, the Cardinals. Very good.
Starting point is 02:01:53 They go to the playoffs. And first round, they are swept in the divisional playoffs by who? Cleveland Indians. It's National League. Yeah. The Dodgers, his other old team that he didn't want to play with. So that's how it works with him. So where was he?
Starting point is 02:02:10 This is 2009. So this year, total, he hit.280 that year. Not bad. Three homers, 21 ribbies, nine steals. Only had.257 at bat, so about half a season, generally, he played in. He makes, though, full-time money he played in he makes though full-time money part-time work full-time money jimmy nine million two hundred fifty thousand dollars man that's a lot of money 2010 life man no no that's so much money 2010 april 1st 2010 he is this is opening day pretty much or the day before it
Starting point is 02:02:47 sent by the or uh sent to the baltimore orioles so he's shipped off by the cardinals as part of a conditional deal so i don't know if it's a player to be named later out later just get this out of here just give us that asshole and we'll figure it out. So 2010, the Orioles go 66-96. They have three managers that year. Oh, Lord. Three. Dave Tremblay, Juan Samuel, who I remember is an outfielder for the Phillies and Mets, and Buckshaw Walter finally came in there.
Starting point is 02:03:20 He was with Baltimore for years after that. And so that year, Jesus Christ, 2010 with Baltimore, he plays in 93 games, hits.249, no homers, seven RBI. He has five steals, but he's caught stealing seven times. So that's not good at all. But he does make $9,250,000 for that. Baseball is so lucrative. Oh, man.
Starting point is 02:03:47 And that's, I believe, probably Boston paying a big chunk of that. That's probably part of the condition of the conditional deal. November 1, 2010, he becomes a free agent. And he's a free agent for a little while here. He doesn't sign with another team until May of 2011. So the season's a month and a half old. Don't need to. I got $40 million.
Starting point is 02:04:07 Yeah, and he signs as a free agent with the Atlanta Braves. Really? Atlanta Braves. They go 89-73, just missing a wild card that year. September 2nd, though, he doesn't even play the whole season because September 2nd he's released by the Braves. They've had enough. They had enough of him that year. He only hit 136 in 44 at-bats.
Starting point is 02:04:30 Jesus Christ. So it's kind of over for him. That's the last he's going to play in the major leagues. So a career record, I guess you could call it, career stats, 269 career hitter. He played in 152 games he had 80 homers 475 rbi 198 stolen bases and how many hits 1279 hits okay it's not bad career earnings though 42 48 million 95 000 $48,095,000. My God. Almost $50 million this man made. For a $269,000 lifetime average. Wow.
Starting point is 02:05:12 I mean, that's wild. Baseball just burns money. Jesus Christ. Good for you. They just light it on fire. That's how many people with shamrock tattoos buy Red Sox hats. That they fucking can afford to pay him nine million dollars while he's sucking for someone else even unbelievable wow um that's wild january 21st 2012 the next
Starting point is 02:05:34 season he agrees to a minor league contract with the cleveland indians with an invitation to spring training um on january 30th the deal was reported to have fallen apart didn't work we would not like to invite you no we changed our minds he ends up playing in the dominican league for a while he does some winter ball in 2011-12 he plays for s con s kagi s kagito down there and then he plays for the national team too in, in the Caribbean series that they have. He plays for the Dominican there. He hits, what, 200 in the Caribbean series. 2012-13, he hit 300 in the Caribbean series.
Starting point is 02:06:16 So that's pretty good. Had a home run in there and everything else. 2013-14, Escaguito again there. 241 he hits. So in the national team, he hits 235. So he's about done in 2014. And he did play for the Dominican Republic three times in the Caribbean Series, though. So represented them there.
Starting point is 02:06:39 2013, he is inducted into the Connor's state college athletic hall of fame very prestigious that's very prestigious it's extremely prestigious like a like a hacky sacker i feel like that's in that and like some chick who was good at field hockey and those are the only things invented a new valve stem for race cars and they're like that's athletic right sure so he's keeping quiet it's been 10 years since his arrest and all that kind of thing then some real weird shit happens in april of 2015 he is charged in court and a warrant is put out for his arrest in the Dominican Republic for kidnapping. Kidnapping who? Well, we'll find out.
Starting point is 02:07:32 Kidnapping and possession of firearms as well. This is a gunpoint thing. Really bad. Warrant was issued in the cities of La Romana and Santo Domingo for kidnapping and possession of firearms. Blah, blah, blah. What is this? According to the paper, Lugo and four men held their hostage and his girlfriend at gunpoint demanding money that had allegedly been invested in a business venture.
Starting point is 02:07:59 They got some dude who some business thing didn't work out and they did an OJ. They fucking. Yeah. They came in at gunpoint trying to say, you're going to give me my fucking money back with his girlfriend there to holding her hostage, too. Yeah. And yeah, like OJ, they put out a fucking arrest warrant because you're not allowed to do that.
Starting point is 02:08:18 That's not even legal in America, sir. Even if. OK. If someone stole money from you, if they owe money to you anything where you're completely legitimately in the right for wanting restitution yeah you're not allowed no matter what you're still not allowed to kidnap them at gunpoint and ask for it that's not how you have you have to go through like legal avenues or else you they will put you in jail for that. I'll go further.
Starting point is 02:08:47 Even if somebody breaks into your home, breaks into your safe, steals your money, goes home, and you know exactly where they are and where the money is, you can't go get it. You can't do it that way. You can go politely ask for it, but once you take a gun out, that's a whole separate can of worms you've just opened. Now there's a robbery and there's this thing too now there's two different things i almost wanted to call the police once james when i i found a penny board like on the street and i was looked around there's no kids i was like i guess that's mine now uh so i put this penny board on my patio i skated on a little bit put it on my patio i woke up in the morning
Starting point is 02:09:25 somebody stole it and i was pissed motherfucker i was this close to calling the police how long have you had it like 12 hours but it was my favorite in all honesty it probably was the kid that i stole i was just gonna say how do you know it wasn't the kid who you took it from to begin with? He probably walked down the street and goes, hey, that guy's got my board. Oh, wow. Shit, I thought I left that out. I was mad, though.
Starting point is 02:10:02 I was like, oh, I was going to skate on that today. Oh, my God. that's so fucking funny so apparently uh this guy during it's all translated but this guy was saying that i'm i've i've been dying to talk to you guys about the money you invested in this business venture i'm not running away from you i've been been dying to. This is great. The money is invested the way it was supposed to be. And, you know, everything is great and fine and you don't need to do this. The man reporting the incident, Angel Luis Paguero Polanco, he claims he was held hostage at a villa owned by his father, which had been used as collateral for the money invested okay so they came there i guess to collect uh polanco went to a local hospital with injuries sustained from one
Starting point is 02:10:52 of the other men apparently direct uh reportedly under the direction of lugo he apparently lugo told some guy to rough him up a little bit while he was there like kick that start fucking he'll start talking beat him up or something is what this guy's claiming and um as of this when it came out lugo didn't answer the summons uh you know whatever and uh yeah he claims they talked to the gm for one of the dominican teams he played with down there and this guy says that there's more than meets the eye to this story but he does say there was definitely some kind of altercation yeah at some point here there's more than meets the eye to this story but he does say there was definitely some kind of altercation yeah at some point here there's gunplay that and and this is all very illegal shit yeah it eventually gets resolved because i mean i don't know he's got a lot of money i think
Starting point is 02:11:38 he can resolve something like that pretty pretty easy there 2018 he is playing in the Red Sox alumni game. Oh, really? Here, yeah. This is the first alumni game the Red Sox are holding since 1993 for some reason. Alumni game, another word for old-timer's day without saying old-timer's day. Nostalgic people that you're aware of and you'd like to watch these old men throw a ball around exactly the thing is the red socks didn't in between that there weren't a lot of seasons where you're like i'd like to watch that guy play again well you would bring back
Starting point is 02:12:15 it doesn't matter that when the yankees suck they'd still bring back old and you can bring back old guys of better times you know what i mean you could bring bring carlton fisk in there and fucking you know from think about the 70 fucking six year or 75 series do whatever you got to do he's i don't care he's busy in chicago though right wasn't he wasn't he there with 2018 maybe but a lot of guys he went to chicago right fisk later yeah but i that was i mean when he was playing 20 fucking five years earlier okay Okay. This is 2018, so. Yeah. Anyway, they're playing.
Starting point is 02:12:49 Pedro Martinez is playing in the game. Okay. A lot of these guys. What happens is Lugo hits a two-run home run off of Pedro Martinez for the only runs of the game. Oh, wow. He does. He said he certainly didn't expect, Pedro said he didn't expect Lugo to hit one that far. It was off a billboard above the Green Monster.
Starting point is 02:13:11 So he hit it over there. He fucking cranked it. And yeah, the only runs, they said, quote, this is what he says. It was just Martinez. Julio told me after 35 years, this is the first hit off I got off you. That's what he said to Pedro and yeah they were there he said quote it was a straight fastball I fell behind on the count and and he laid it in there I know this is and I laid it in there I didn't expect him to hit it out but he did and Pedro said he hit it well he's playing softball you can see that swing
Starting point is 02:13:41 he's keeping it together so So the Louis Tiant played. Or no, he was a manager. It was Louis Tiant and Dwight Evans were the two managers. That's pretty fucking cool. It was extended to, it was a three inning game extended to four because there was some quick outs and people wanted to, yeah, they wanted guys. A bunch of one, two, three innings where they don't get to see anybody. We didn't sell enough hot dogs. Keep playing. No. A bunch of one, two, three innings where they don't get to see anybody. We didn't sell enough hot dogs. Keep playing.
Starting point is 02:14:07 No shit. Keep going. There's beer to be sold. They had Wade Boggs played. Oh. Spaceman Bill Lee. Derek Lowe was there. Mike Greenwell.
Starting point is 02:14:18 Remember him from the 80s? Yeah. A bunch of people there. One guy on the Braves, who was the visiting team, they were watching from there. And he says, I remember watching them the most. Pedro, Derek Lowe, Mike Lull, Johnny Gomes, Orlando Cabrero, and Julio Lugo. This is Newcomb. Which fucking Newcomb is this?
Starting point is 02:14:38 Mike. Duke. This is Duke Newcomb. Who cares who this is? So he says, this is Duke Newcomb. Who cares who this is? So he says, this is shit. Julio says, to get a home run here was awesome. Not only going deep, but against Pedro. It was special.
Starting point is 02:14:55 I was trying to hit it out. It was a fun game. I didn't know if I was going to do it, but I was trying and it worked out. So, yeah, that's how that went. And I guess this was a benefit. Apparently proceeds from a raffle benefited a Nesson. That's their local sports channel. They're a cameraman who was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease.
Starting point is 02:15:17 So, I mean, Julio here, it's it's tough to be. He's got a lot going on. He's got baseball games and kidnappings and he's it's tough to be julio yeah it's it is but it's even harder i would say to be mistaken for julio as happens a lot a million of them jimmy so many including julio lugo head of fund operations and advisor shares okay that sounds important he went to college and stuff this guy somebody invested with that guy apparently yeah julio lugo uh agricultural field worker in the visalia california here he's seeking long-term employment with growth potential
Starting point is 02:16:00 where i can contribute my hard hard skills, positive attitude while gaining valuable work experience. Just give me a job where I'm not in a field, please. He's, he said he create was creating rings around the trees for better growth. And so there will be more production of fruit. Well done. He knows,
Starting point is 02:16:16 knows how to get your fruit tree working. Julio Lugo, uh, was a sous chef for the compass group in New York city. Good. Here he's doing that. Julio Lugo, president at Earth Energy Health in Santa Ana, California. Nutritional specialist focusing on pH levels, alternative medicine, and diet consumption.
Starting point is 02:16:38 In other words, bullshit. Yeah. Treat cancer with cashews, you fucking jerk. Give you a fucking crystal and a specially balanced pH water and you're going to be cured. Fuck out of here. Julio Lugo, networking specialist, New York City. And Julio Lugo, accounting manager at Lugo and Barrero LLC in New Haven, Connecticut. Give him your money.
Starting point is 02:17:07 in new haven connecticut give him your money and then finally and this one fooled the fuck out of me because i thought this this is the this is the thing that made me do the episode was i saw this and i was like oh my god holy shit we gotta do this now yeah uh it's not him no it's somebody else but it's someone at his exact age they live in in Florida. Like his name's Julio Lugo. What am I supposed to do with this? So the Department of Justice announced this is 2021, April of 2021 charges against Julio Lugo, 44 years old. Oh, my God. In a news release, 44 at this time. You know, works out well, I think, because the 75, 75 by the way is not his real birth date because
Starting point is 02:17:46 we'll talk about it hold on but it's it's interesting because he's from the dr kind of so according to prosecutors the couple him and his wife here worked together to apply for loans through the paycheck protection program these are the covid business loans yep an economic injury disaster loan program investigators said the loans were taken out in the name of shell companies established by lugo and their relatives investigators did not name the four relatives the shell companies included a defunct tax preparation company for which lugo previously used in a tax fraud scheme in 2015 according to the feds, for which he was still
Starting point is 02:18:25 on supervised release. Some of the... He's on parole still? Guy's on supervised release, and he's defrauding the government of money? What the fuck? Want to know how much money, Jimmy? How much? Millions.
Starting point is 02:18:38 $5.8 million. Oh, my... Was this the guy that got fucking cars and all that shit? There's a lot of those guys. It's not the guy. There's a shitload of those. One of these companies, Shell Companies, includes Sisters for Compassionate Care, LLC, Rose Garden Recovery Living, Inc., and Diamond Taxes and Multi-Services, Inc. services inc the record show the couple used the money to pay off a bmw 7 series sedan yeah then spent more than 49 000 at casinos what and at least 13 000 at weight loss centers we're gonna get skinny on the government's time oh yeah they also withdrew more than 320 000 in cash that they have no idea where the fuck that went.
Starting point is 02:19:25 Fucking jerks. Once they were secured the loans, they paid off the BMW more than $62,000, all this type of shit. Lugo later posted bail, or I'm sorry, later posted after they did all this, before they were arrested, posted a Facebook video featuring a hotel room littered with $100 bills and a $5,000 watch and all this type of shit, flashing it around. You motherfucker. After he did, yeah, that's our money, exactly. Yeah, so I lock, stock, and barrel thought this was the same Julio Lugo.
Starting point is 02:20:00 I wish it was. And then I finally found a picture of him. It's not him no and the guy's name is julio enrique enrique lugo not cesar lugo cesar whatever the fuck so and uh his wife is a different one too uh rosa nida vivant or venant venant not uh cirque so yeah uh lots of shit going on there um a lot of uh defrauded money and everything but not our guy but i really up until i was cataloging this for the episode i i was like oh he did this this and that perfect yeah and he didn't do that but at least somebody did named julio lugo there was a guy that did that shit and bought ferraris james oh i know i
Starting point is 02:20:46 saw that an asshole so i thought i'd roll it into mistaken identities and we can make it work like that i don't know november 15th 2021 so extremely recently uh julio is in the dominican republic um he still stays in shape and all that kind of shit. And he was going to the gym every day. He's leaving the gym and he drops dead from a heart attack. Oh, shit. On the ground. Dead as a fucking doornail. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:21:17 45 years old. 45. Dead as fuck. Yep. That's just while he's leaving the gym. While he's in great shape yeah he's working out he's doing all the things that if you're 45 they're telling you you should do for a long life and he drops fucking dead right outside the gym that's rough that's why a lot of
Starting point is 02:21:39 people don't go to the gym that's yeah i don't want to drop dead in the gym if i drop dead in the gym my last breath would be i hate myself i'm the biggest moron in the world i wasted so much time here in this life i could have been fucking right now at least that would be fun this sucks oh my god that would be the worst the worst At least if you're doing something great. Like Brian Dennehy and Tommy Boy. Great death. He's having the best time. He's singing with his kid there.
Starting point is 02:22:14 He's jamming and all this shit. And he drops dead. Not a bad way to go out. Not terrible. That's okay. You're doing something at least that was fun. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Died with a smile on his face while chris
Starting point is 02:22:25 farley was still singing yeah he got to watch chris farley sing as he died yeah as his last thing pretty sweet death that's way worse than smelling like a gym and then falling on the ground and being dead it's fucking disgusting in need of a shower walking out to your car not even in the car god damn it not even in the car and a lot of people said what a great guy he was after that really oh they loved him players did his teammates and shit they liked him here's uh what is this will middlebrooks said he spent time with us as kids in fort myers during a rehab assignment he taught us a lot about infield routines and how to be a professional okay and then uh nbc columnist john tomasi tomas i don't know he wrote a time about when he interviewed lugo in 2008 he said
Starting point is 02:23:19 they were hanging out by the lockers and uh it came up that this journalist just had a baby boy and lugo asked about the boy and uh then he dug into his locker and got a pair of batting gloves to give to the boy and the guy said that no i you know this is kind of violates the line between players and the press and all that and he said he wanted me to set them aside until my son was old enough to play baseball then give him to give them to him with an explanation that they once belonged to a player who tried his best every day and my son should do the same okay calm down chief um it's just my best it was mediocre i want you to do the same do the same oh but don't hit your wife yeah leave that part out if you try your
Starting point is 02:24:06 best you too might make 50 million dollars yeah that's what i'm saying so he's buried in the uh jardine memorial i guess cemetery in santo domingo and uh can't get enough of julio lugo well there's a ton of presumably because we did that bonus episode on counterfeit autographs a lot of fraudulent shit floating around out there there's a lot where i can tell just on the eyeball that the signatures are way fucking different from three things that are lined up in front of me hilarious i swear to god here's a a ball uh 34.99 uh 2004 game used autograph signed uh bat is it's the same one i have, the Rawlings big stick one, the one I have right next to me right here, for $175.
Starting point is 02:24:51 Except mine's not fake autographed by a wife beater. Julio Lugo sweet spot autographed baseball, $50. A lot of that, $249.95 for a signed autographed Tampa Bay Devil Rays jersey with him on there. Now, let me show you. Just roll over here. I'll turn the screen. Let me show you these signatures and how different they are.
Starting point is 02:25:13 Okay. Here is the ball. See that? That's pretty similar to that one there, to that one there, to that one there. Look at the jersey. What the fuck is that? It looks nothing. There's the ball. There at the jersey what the fuck is that it looks nothing there's the ball there's the jersey no looks nothing even the last big letter that one looks like a like a cursive g that looks like yeah the j is completely different at the end no that's
Starting point is 02:25:38 lugo the oh j l u and then a big g yeah i guess the j and i know in a jersey it's harder to write but the way the j is there's a loop on the bottom and a fuck in the way i would not believe that either that's the only real one yeah or or that's the rest aren't i don't know but you can get some shit if you really want a julio lugo autograph i I guess. But either way, that everybody is Julio Lugo. And quite the story. And like I said, he's acquitted. So, I mean, I don't know, legally, allegedly, in my opinion, but accused accused. In my opinion, he beat the shit out of his wife.
Starting point is 02:26:25 opinion he beat the shit out of his wife and uh i think it was bullshit that he got acquitted for it because i think he talked his wife into money and the possibility of getting back together with money and that sort of shit and got her to whatever button he had to press got her to recant and that's my opinion anyway but obviously don't know if that's true allegedly allegedly the only baseball of his that i'm interested in is uh one of one of one of six uh and they exist in texas and the jury has them yeah that's true those are the only real autographs we know of no shit i wonder if they still have it up there ah a nice a nice wife beating suspect gave this to me isn't that great so that's julio lugo if you like the story here's what you can do get on whatever platform you're listening to and give us five stars.
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Starting point is 02:31:38 You can go to PayPal and use our email address, Crime and Sports at gmail.com. Also a great way to get a hold of the show there so do all of those things come out and find us and hang out with us and jimmy god damn it it's that time of the week where we hear about all these terrible things and then i need to be like it's like a bath it's like a warm bath i need to be hugged like a blanket with the names of the most wonderful people who would never, ever, ever hold us at gunpoint or punch us and bounce our head off of the fucking passenger side window or driver's side window. Jimmy, hit me with the goddamn names of these amazing people right now. Well, first of all, there is a man named Martine. I think it's Martine Turski from Poland.
Starting point is 02:32:24 And he is a girlfriend named Martin, I think it's Martin Turski from Poland, and he is a girlfriend, I guess. He is sending kisses to the awesome princess from Illinois. He didn't give a name. All right. Well, if you're from Illinois and going out with a Polack, there you go. This is the first English podcast he's listened to, I guess. Wow.
Starting point is 02:32:41 That's so cool. And I guess he doesn't speak the language very well uh but we are helping him i guess now he knows fuck and and he he had to listen english to learn and she get okay so yeah we're helping him it's a little bit broken english on the i love it i remember the yeah yeah it's fantastic it's a great message thank you he did not give the awesome princess's name however thank you for helping Martine. Or Martin? She knows where.
Starting point is 02:33:06 She knows who she is. Yeah. You're wonderful, you princess. Martine? I think it's Martine. That's why. Happy birthday, Jordan Bennett, P.S. Hey, happy birthday, Jordan.
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