Crime in Sports - #324 - The Most Beloved Hated Man - The Impetuousness of Allen "The Answer" Iverson

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

This week, we bask in the long, successful, and insane life of a guy who was as good as it gets, on the basketball court, but a little shaky, off it. He is always fearless, and that fearlessn...ess also translates to police, and court proceedings, Whether it's telling a police officer to go ahead, and take his Lamborghini, because he "has 10 more", or allegedly throwing his naked wife out of the house... multiple times. Or, maybe it's just running into his cousin's apartment, armed, and angry, threatening to "make an example" of someone. Whatever he does, it's a party. But not a party at Bally's Casino, because he urinated into a garbage can there, and isn't allowed back on the property!!Be a two sport superstar, get sent to prison over a tenuous charge, and blow $150 million with Allen "The Answer" Iverson!!Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:04:22 like we said stick around to the end of the show for a big, big, big announcement. We have something coming up here. So we're going to talk about this week. Well, is it a show note or is it a big announcement, James? It's a big announcement of a show note. Put it that way. It's important. If you like the show, you'll want to know about it.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Put it that way. So if you're a fan, definitely. Here we go. Let's talk about Allen Iverson. Let's do it. Oh, boy, the. Let's talk about Allen Iverson. Let's do it. Oh, boy, the answer. We all know Allen Iverson. We all know who he is, or we should anyway.
Starting point is 00:04:51 He's still on commercials now, which we'll talk about at the end of the show. The commercial he's on is hilarious right now. It's just terrible. But Allen Ezail Iverson. Ezail, really? E-Z-A-I-L Iverson. Yeah, that's Ezail Iverson. Ezail, really? E-Z-A-I-L Iverson. Yeah, that's Ezail. Ezail, which my computer multiple times changed to email.
Starting point is 00:05:10 It really wanted him to be Alan Email Iverson, but it's not. Really, though, that was strong. He's born. You do answer an email, so that makes sense. That's the thing, and he's AI, the answer. There's a lot of Bubba Chucket, as we'll talk about. What? A kid name that he's got when he's in high school.
Starting point is 00:05:30 They called him Bubba Chucket? Yep. We'll talk about it. It's fun. So all this shit here. He's born June 7th, 1975, Mr. Iverson is. And yeah, he's born in Hampton, Virginia, which is where he grows up. And his childhood here, his mother, Ann, was 15 when he's born in hampton virginia which is where he goes up and uh his childhood here
Starting point is 00:05:46 he's his mother ann was 15 when he was born so oh wow right away yeah that's a tough that's tough for obviously in virginia yeah it's hard to be a 15 year old mom that's mad legal there that's not easy oh in virginia you could marry her by then it's all right who gives a shit at that point? Um, the, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,
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Starting point is 00:06:19 he, he, he, he, he, he, she gave the mother not the father's last name which is a lot of times you just get and you can't help it she chose to name him alan after the guy though so he's not having your last name
Starting point is 00:06:33 but he you're such a great influencer you're going to give him your first name what the fuck i've never heard of that before that's like that's like an honor to be stowed exactly the first name but then fuck your last name. Fuck your last name, even though it's so funny. I've just never seen it before, ever. Do we know his last name? Broughton. Yeah, I'd go with Iverson.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Iverson sounds cool. Yeah, she was Ann Iverson, named him Alan, and he was Alan Broughton. That was his name. So there you go. He has three younger half-siblings as well. Really? From different dads here. Brandy, who was born in 1979.
Starting point is 00:07:10 And then he's got a little sister named Leisha, who was born in 1990. What? And then he's got a younger brother named Mister. Mister. Okay. 2003 he was born. Wow. But you've got to think about it. The mother was 15. He's got a kid. Okay. 2003 he was born. Wow. But you got to think about it.
Starting point is 00:07:26 The mother was 15. He's got a kid. Yeah. So, I mean, that guy's – That's easy. She's just in her 30s when he's born. Right. It's not like she's – what's his mom, 57 years old having kids?
Starting point is 00:07:35 No, she's in her 30s still. She was probably 40 there, right? Something like that. Yeah, because she was 15 and 75, so 60. She's got to be 43. Yeah, 32, 33. She's got to be 43. 43.
Starting point is 00:07:44 43, which is still not young to have a kid, but still in the realm of, you know, in the Yeah, it's normal. Windows closing, but it's there. It's not crazy. It's not crazy. It happens. It's what every actress does. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:57 That's what every actress does. They're like, okay, I got to play like, they're like, you know, I got to play like hot love interest, romantic comedy chick and then like when that starts to wane when they start casting me as somebody's aunt i gotta say when when i read for it and you're like jenna and 30 rock where you're like you think you're the kid and you're actually the mom when that starts happening they're like okay i'll have a kid then i'll come back as full-fledged like middle-aged mom lady i'll take like you know a mom role who's got like three kids and like a couple, and I'm poor, and I'm a waitress in a diner, and I'll go for my Oscar.
Starting point is 00:08:31 You know what I mean? Start running some Jane Vonda films. Yeah. One of the kids got some kind of fuck. I don't know. He's crippled or something. What the? Write me a crippled kid.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Put him in a fucking wheelchair or something. I need an Oscar here. What do you think? I'm getting an Oscar for three regular fucking kids? Yeah, my hair's fucked up up and i'm a waitress that's different than normal but still these fucking kids can read and write they're fine make one of them seven eight gray hairs who cares give one of them like you know a little one of those you know just write something you're the writer not me i'm just telling you noticeable though on film people gotta see it in the trailer write me the one where i kidnap a black kid that's doing fine do that and then i'll be still think i'm his savior that's fine
Starting point is 00:09:14 he uh his nickname is bubba chuck that's his nickname not bubba chuck it that's i'm thinking of the chuck it frisbee that i throw to my dog Oscar. The Chuck It is a frisbee. Why'd they call him that? Bubba Chuck. I don't know. But that's what they called him. Bubba. Fascinating.
Starting point is 00:09:35 I've noticed a weird trend down south now. Like if you watch live PD or on patrol or whatever the fuck it's called now. Oh, everybody's Bubba. Southern men call each other exclusively bubba yeah and it's really weird it's it's fucking weird just southern white guys bubba bubba bubba bubba back and forth why are you calling each other bubba what is that i don't get that or bub is that the south down south bro is that what that is yeah it is or like dude. They just use Bubba. It was cousin. Now it's Bubba. Bubba.
Starting point is 00:10:06 That's just so. It sounds insulting. It's like, you know. Does it? What's up, Bubba? Like motherfucker. Like you could replace it with motherfucker really easily. It doesn't sound friendly.
Starting point is 00:10:16 You call me Bubba? Fuck you. How's that? My bartender's a Mexican guy and he calls me Bubba. How do you explain that i don't know what fucking wires got crossed with that guy what's going on although in arizona you do come in you do encounter a very very strange phenomenon of the mexican redneck which is a really weird thing it's a fascinating it's fascinating but you see it all the time where they're like it's all
Starting point is 00:10:43 it's everywhere i will adopt this culture no matter what you're like what do you do cowboys were cowboys were the uh spaniards in the first place that's how america got cowboy culture and and we've just ripped it from them but then now they but this is um this isn't cowboy culture these no those people aren't cowboys there's like four cowboys in the state of a Arizona. These are rednecks who like to play dress up. These are cosplay rednecks. That's what they are. We ripped it from them and then they ripped it back and we have already rubbed our stank all over it, ruining it.
Starting point is 00:11:12 And they just adapt to that shit. Yeah. But their thing is like, I like country music and I like shit like that. And you're like, what are you talking about? You love a culture that just hates you. Like, what are you doing makes no sense what are you kanye west what's happening with you how the fuck are you doing they don't like you anyway stop it with the t-shirts kanye yeah stop it with everything i'm fucking
Starting point is 00:11:41 yeah just stop room for a while. Enough. Yeah. We got it. Reflect for Christ's sake. Yes. Gold Digger was fine. Fucking TikTok, motherfucker. I'm sorry. Jesus walks.
Starting point is 00:11:53 We get it. He's fine. Everything's all right. Just because you have four good songs does not mean I have to listen to you for 30 fucking years. Talk about the world. It doesn't. Four great songs does not a career make.
Starting point is 00:12:04 I don't have to hear fucking vince neal's fucking views on do i you know what i mean like i don't have to hear his shit at all well that's what happens when you when you kill your friend then maybe you shut the fuck up all i have to do is see his dick once in a while every 25 years he shows us his cock and that's fine i don't care about that and then he goes away back crawls back into the woodwork for a while i don't care thank christ never had any voice at all no just dying right before our eyes have you withering to nothing well it is back deteriorated to oh god dude he was fucked up in the 80s i mean i don't know what he's got back there that's
Starting point is 00:12:42 propping him up but it's like concrete it's like a concrete column at this time plus he's like 10 years older than all the other guys too so that's another thing he is i feel so bad he was the elder statesman of the band they just needed someone with talent to fucking like hold it all together tommy tommy lee's a good drummer but don't get me wrong yeah yeah yeah i saw i think it was tommy lee's video but i saw mick walk out to play and they just have guitars on stands now that he stands behind and plays. He doesn't even fucking hold them anymore. They put the fucking rolly wheels on his shoes, and they just push him out there and shove him, and he just...
Starting point is 00:13:15 Just knocking right into place. He just stands in place. And then just reaches around the guitar and plays it, because the poor bastard. He's so good too he's he's amazing he shreds and he's just dying before our eyes if we sound extra loose today listen to the end of the show and you'll understand why because we're having fun you know what i mean this is for us this is for us so uh yeah he uh he's bubba chuck anyway back to i don't know how the fuck we got all the way to Mick Mars from Bubba Chuck.
Starting point is 00:13:47 From Bubba Chuck. But we can go anywhere from anywhere, I feel like. A childhood friend of his, Jamie Rogers, said that Iverson would always look out for the younger kids in the neighborhood. And he was good at teaching. He said he could teach anybody things. Basketball stuff, life shit, whatever. He said he was good at that. things basketball stuff life shit whatever he said he was good at that um i guess when he was 13 alan he had a uh an issue here when a guy who he looked up to a lot a guy named michael freeman
Starting point is 00:14:13 from the neighborhood that he looked up to was arrested right in front of him for dealing drugs and i guess it was this guy's like you know fort the fence or some shit like that the guy was he's in trouble. He's in a lot of trouble. He failed the eighth grade. Alan did, not the drug dealer. He might have failed eighth grade, the drug dealer. But at this point, he was done.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Didn't matter. He wasn't using it for his career. So he said he failed that because of absences and ended up moving. His mom moved him to get out of the projects. But still never really never in a nice area though that's the problem alan uh alan comes from a rough area and kind of he kind of keeps that with him his whole life you know that sort of thing so in high school though he attended bethel high school in hampton and he is a beast of an athlete in multiple sports i didn't know he played football.
Starting point is 00:15:05 Did you? I had no idea. Oh, he was way back here. Running back? Listen to this. He's fucking amazing, basically. I mean, if you watched him on the court, you'd go, Jesus Christ, nobody else moves like that.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Nobody moves like that. They just don't. Like, he's quick as a cat. He had a different skill set than other guys. You know what I mean? I think you said it. Give him six inches, no that guy's unstoppable kobe bryant was the one who said if he's six five we're all fucked that's what he said if he's six five we're all fucked the whole
Starting point is 00:15:33 league abilities he owns the league yes he's six one is the problem of him and still dominant that which is right in fucking sane so the fact that yeah if he's six six you can't stop him he's michael jordan if he's six six is he's got the same head as michael jordan right he's got this that same i don't know if you want to say the same head i don't mean the same like business sense or anything like that but on the court he's got that you're not going to break me i'm going to break you yes yeah you'll never fucking beat me mentally on the court type of attitude that's fucking interesting. I just saw a thing where Larry Bird was saying how when he was coaching the Pacers,
Starting point is 00:16:11 he was telling his team to knock Jordan on his ass. Knock him on his fucking ass next time he comes in there. You guys are playing intimidated. Knock him on his fucking ass. And nobody would do it. Nobody did it. Even though their coaches told him, go knock him on his ass when he goes to the rim. They'd fucking get out of the way.
Starting point is 00:16:25 And he'd be like, what the fuck? And it was because they were all scared. They were all scared that he's better than them. If I piss him off and knock him down, he's going to embarrass me more. He might play harder. That's what I'm saying. What if he plays harder, Laird? That's the mind fuck Michael Jordan had on the whole league
Starting point is 00:16:39 where they were terrified of pissing him off. They didn't even want to talk shit to him because, oh God, he's just going to dominate me worse. Now he'll dunk on me with his balls in my face. That's the thing that he, Kobe, and Allen Iverson all did. When they were pissed off, holy fuck, man. Those three were so mentally strong that they could. A lot of times in sports, you talk trash because people play worse pissed off.
Starting point is 00:17:03 But there's a few people who if you piss them off they go okay motherfucker and they just like it's like a food pellet that they loaded into their energy bank and they just come out light it up and they light it up just to show you up and uh yeah alan i think is one of those guys he 91 he meets a very significant person in his life who will be around still to this day uh to one name to one oh it's a lady no it's a lady toana is his future wife and um wow do they have some interesting times he and when he was 16 16 they met yeah they've been together ever since uh through and this guy alan it's not like he's faithful i mean he was going out with the brat for a while is that the rapper and she dumped
Starting point is 00:17:46 him because he was too promiscuous so this is all while he's married here while he's at least living with a woman and kids he's got so his side piece jumps him because he's got too many side pieces that says something um in high school he started at quarterback for the football team wow quarterback he also played running back kick returner and defensive back no shit two-way player he's such an athlete not taking him off the field christ almighty he's amazing uh he also started at point guard obviously for the basketball team during his junior year he led both teams to virginia state championships the football team and the basketball and was the by far head and shoulder star of both teams he led that's the
Starting point is 00:18:31 first that's incredible i've never heard of it i'm sure i've never heard of that ever that's incredible he also won the associated press high school player of the year award in both sports unreal in both sports he's not even a senior he's a fucking junior that's incredible man uh that's wild uh he won on the he was on the aau basketball team and won the 1992 17 and under aau national championship also so for a guy who later on the big knock on him is he can't win the big one, you know, can't win a championship. He's the most talented guy I've ever heard of. He does nothing but win championships before that. And in the NBA, tell me a team that he was on that should have won a championship.
Starting point is 00:19:17 I'll wait. You take him off the 76ers and put him on any team that's a contender, he wins several. We'll put it this way. The Sixer teams that were in the finals, take off those teams they're they're not even 500 teams they're fucking they go they're 32 win teams if you take them off those fucking teams so that tells you a lot you go from 50 win team to a 50 loss team like that if you take him off because he's the entire energy source of the whole team here so he uh he earned associated press high school player of the year award in football and basketball like i said won both the uh division five triple a virginia state
Starting point is 00:19:51 championships in both sports and he's got a girlfriend i'm gonna say it right now grace that's grace i think he does make a lot of money but for yeah he does i'm talking for his happiness i think this is grace right here. I think you're right. Probably. I think this is good because it really – it's a tenuous life after this for him. So they were – now, Tawana wasn't even going to the same school as him. They went to rival high schools. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:20:20 Yeah, which I'm sure allowed him to cheat on her a lot, which was probably the advantage of that. It's a lot easier. Yeah. She never is like real public of a figure until some court proceedings later on then she gets real public but before that she's never like she doesn't really want the spotlight she's not one of these you know i don't think i knew that he was married exactly she's not one of these oh i'm getting in the picture too type of thing she's like you take your pictures and then we'll go like fucking i'm a private more private person um one of her friends here a classmate who knew her said to her he was her boyfriend it was no big deal he wasn't it wasn't like she bragged about it she kept her private
Starting point is 00:20:54 life very private okay which makes sense um he's also a parade all-american in basketball in his senior year he averaged 31.6 points a game in basketball holy shit which is in high school that's insane there's teams that average 30 yeah score the score 51 that's what i'm saying yeah like lebron would do shit like that but lebron had a man's body and right that i mean he was six fucking eight and jacked when he was 17 so i mean it made you he looked like he was playing with children whereas and iverson's dunking yeah oh yeah whereas iverson i mean as athletic as anybody but he's only six one it's not like he can dominate with size or push people out of the way or anything like that uh he also scored that year 21 touchdowns and passed for 14 more. So he ran in 21 and passed for 14.
Starting point is 00:21:49 He got fucking 35 touchdowns because of him? Because of him, just exclusively. His college football recruiter who was looking at him said, quote, he's the most exciting player I've ever seen in high school. As a football player. Of anything, yeah. Not even as the sport he played later. That's how good he is. I can't imagine the footwork he must have had on a football field.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Oh, my God. He's so fast. You can't track him on a basketball court. You put cleats on him and let him dig in. Right. Oh, that's what I'm saying. On a basketball court, the basketball shoes, they slide a bit. They give.
Starting point is 00:22:19 And you have to keep a ball dribbling. On a football field, you can move however you want. You can just move? Oh, God god no one's gonna call you for a carry no that's what they want you to do yeah so another college basketball recruiter said he may be the best high school basketball player i've ever seen pretty intense he was considering in his senior year 15 colleges and he said he's only going to play basketball though he has no interest in football.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Doesn't want to get hurt just here for basketball because it's just smarter. You can go make more money immediately. And at 6'1", he probably – he would have done fine, I'm sure. But if he made the NFL, it's not going to be great for him. It's not going to be as a quarterback. They're going to move him to a defensive back or something. he's not he's going to be like a fourth round draft pick instead you can be you know different in basketball so he apparently at the end though here he had not met his NCAA academic minimums to be in college that says Alan's not a bright kid no he's smart as
Starting point is 00:23:22 shit he absolutely smart as shit he just has other things that he's doing right now. Oh, got it. Including sports, girls, you know, shit like that. Dumb is not a problem for Alan Iverson. He's not dumb at all. No, he's real fucking smart. In the books? Really?
Starting point is 00:23:35 No, I don't know about in the books, but I mean in life. He's not a moron at all. Definitely not stupid. He does a lot of stupid shit, which is a totally different disease we're talking about here. We've encountered plenty of those people. I mean, we're comedians, for God's sake. Smart people who do dumb shit is our whole bread and butter of everybody we've ever met and looked up to and followed and everything else. Choices are not their strong suit.
Starting point is 00:24:03 No, never, never. That guy's so smart. Why is he doing he doing that exactly that's what we got here yeah so it says here to play college ball he must earn a general equivalency diploma ged which is easy trust me and improve his grade point average which last winter was reported at 1.8 oh Oh, boy. That's how I graduated, too. By the skin of your teeth. You need a 2.0 for the NCAA. That's what they require for a freshman to compete in college sports. And he's got to also, he must score at least a combined 700 on the scholastic aptitude test, which he has not done either. So he's got to do the SAT.
Starting point is 00:24:43 He's got to do all that shit. Anyway, November of 1992, he is driving and he's arrested for driving. What? Why? Because he doesn't have a fucking driver's license. That's a problem. Just driving. He never got it?
Starting point is 00:24:57 No. He's 17. He just didn't get it. He didn't do his driver's license. He didn't have it. And then he doesn't show up for court either, which is not smart. Then he so he's sentenced to you.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Young man may fuck off community service at a local hospital. OK. He has six months to complete it and he doesn't fucking do it at all. So he just completely ignored it. Didn't show up for court. Didn't do his fucking his uh whatever the shit there the uh community service he did nothing community service like a driver's license and not get it just not get it yeah i don't need it i'll still keep driving now they're about where he's from because a lot of a lot of to understand alan you kind of got to understand his upbringing where
Starting point is 00:25:40 he's from who he hangs out with all that sort of shit because it sticks with him for his whole life. I mean, everybody that we talk about later on that's around him are all people he's known his whole fucking life. It's the only people he trusts. So as far as Hampton goes, here is a police officer named Danny McChesney. Really? McChesney. Sounds like a country singer. An Irish country singer.
Starting point is 00:26:03 Danny McChesney. He's Ireland's number one country crooner. That's what he's doing. I mean, country music is just Irish music with more twang. It's just about booze and cars. Irish music is about famine and your kids dying, though. It's booze and love lost. That's what it used to be.
Starting point is 00:26:26 Now it's about your lawn equipment and your wife. That's what it's about now. I love my wife like I love my fucking John Deere lawnmower. That's the premise for most country songs now. Ireland, it would be like the English made my grandparents die. You know what I mean? It would be a different kind of song like it would be all like anti-english ones and basically like U2's first album it would just be U2's first album that's uh just sunny Sunday bloody Sunday
Starting point is 00:26:57 in country version and and what you're looking for and what you're looking for is always the woman that left that's it but she might have been killed by the English, so you might not bother looking for her. That would be the difference in the Irish version. She's not off in, like, Reno with another guy. And my truck. Yeah. She may have been dragged away by the fucking English.
Starting point is 00:27:22 You never know. Fuck the queen. Yeah, yeah while they're screaming that so that's that's just what half the country songs would be in ireland just different versions of fuck the queen while i drown in a fucking whiskey so danny mcchesney in between irish crooning country hits he said it's not as bad as the big cities but but we have our own little element around here. You don't have to be a criminal to get caught up in it. You can almost seem like one trying to get out. So I guess it can almost seem like a criminal trying to get out.
Starting point is 00:27:53 I don't know what that means. But they said that Alan has some friends that are of suspect character is what his football coach at Bethel High School said. He said, not all of them, but a lot of them are suspect. Allen, however, is not. He's a genuinely good kid who's very smart. His biggest problem is that he's loyal, loyal to a fault. Yeah. And there's a certain thing that if you're being successful and other people around you
Starting point is 00:28:20 don't have the gifts that you have as far as being able to be successful your talents and shit like that you start to feel bad because and this this happened a little bit with us with comedians that we know that you start to feel bad because you're doing well and if they're not and then it becomes like a weird bitterness toward you that you feel like you need to be extra nice because if you're not then you're too you're acting like you're too good and they'll be looking for any and they're looking for any reason any crack to say well yeah you're too fucking good now so there's a lot of pressure on somebody like that and uh we just said you can go fuck yourself but it might be different if you actually are growing up with these people and not just you know doing open and know, this stuff also lends to a similar and parallel lifestyle that Marshawn Lynch leads.
Starting point is 00:29:09 It's a very similar thing. Growing up that way, you constantly want to go back to help. And it's not necessarily even just to help the guys that you knew. It's also kind of to go back and help kids that you have no idea who their family is, but to give them a little better chance. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, that's a good point.
Starting point is 00:29:27 So, yeah. Gary Moore here is a guy. I guess he apparently, during his sophomore year of school, I guess he was looking out for him. This article called him a surrogate father. I don't know if that seems a little much. But he said his... That's not a thing. That's a lot. There's a lot of responsibility there he says about alan's home life or his home in particular it was wherever he ended up being he said it's been that way for him for a long time with his
Starting point is 00:29:56 mama struggling to pay bills and no father figure his friends played the role of friends fathers brothers etc so yeah just looking for people um said, people need to understand that he's intensely loyal. If you're a friend of Alan's, it stays that way for life. I don't care what you're doing or who you're with. He'll stand by your side because that's the way he is. He won't change because of money or because of status. He'll only change if you prove to be something other than his friend or if you're harming his family.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Okay. He's loyal. I get it. I'm a fucking guinea. I understand these things. This is good. So he's loyal. Now, here comes the main issue of Alan's young life here.
Starting point is 00:30:33 It's Valentine's Day, February the 14th, 1993, and it is the Circle Lanes Bowling Center in Hampton, Virginia. Yep. It's a fucking bowling alley. So, I mean, it's a bowling alley. That's where they're hanging out. In 93, that's what every 16-year-old did. That's what they were doing. There's not a lot to
Starting point is 00:30:52 do around here. There's the bowling alley. You can bowl. That's where girls are. You can get some fucking nachos. I get it. It's somewhere to hang out. And it's February, too. It's chilly outside. Not like you can go hang out outside somewhere, so it's something to do. Apparently, there's a couple different. It's chilly outside. Not like you can go hang out outside somewhere. So it's something to do.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Apparently, there's a couple different groups of people in this. There's a lot of people there that night. As the night gets later, there's a few different groups, especially a couple different groups bowling. They're nowhere near each other, apparently. There's Alan. He's got a few friends that he's with that we'll talk about. And then there's another group of people that are bowling also there. Now, if you don't know when Crystal Pepsi was discontinued, what was in Al Capone's vault or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin, then you haven't spent enough time on Wikipedia. But that's OK. I am here for you. I'm Darcy
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Starting point is 00:33:09 You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Apparently, during all this, a large fight breaks out, okay? Of course. And it breaks down on racial lines as well. It's a group of white kids fighting a group of black kids, and that's how that whole thing works. Now, quickly here, we'll kind of tell this from a couple different angles because this is one of those where there's like five different people's stories, and then there's the truth is somewhere in there somewhere. Oh, and none of them match. I don't think that anybody's stories are 100% true, and I don't think that anybody's stories are 100% false and I don't know who's telling lies to tell lies and I don't know who's telling lies because
Starting point is 00:33:48 in a brawl riot situation with 30 people things go fast and you don't remember what the fuck happened it's like a car accident so you don't know you don't know what people's motivations are here so but the allegation is that during the fight Alan hit a young girl in the head with a chair
Starting point is 00:34:04 not a child but like a you know a teenage girl hit girl in the head with a chair. Not a child, but like a teenage girl. A 16-year-old girl. Hit her in the head with a chair and busted her head open and shit. So that's the accusation, and that's the whole thing that comes here. And there's a whole documentary about this crossover. It's a 30 for 30. It's directed by Steve James, Jimmy, who is that Stevie's director. And Hoop Dreams. So, yeah, that's who does it. It's directed by Steve James, Jimmy, who is Stevie's director and Hoop Dreams.
Starting point is 00:34:26 So, yeah, that's who does it. It's very interesting. So now Brandon Smith is a bowling alley employee. He says that he saw Iverson hit the woman with a chair. He said when he tried to intervene, Iverson hit him with a chair as well and broke his glasses. So he's ahead of his time. is 93 so this is pre you know wrestlers constantly hitting each other with chairs and uh pre uh chairs being thrown at jerry springer guests totally absolutely they were still nice back then but post geraldo rivera
Starting point is 00:34:59 losing a nose to it absolutely that was like 89 so maybe that's where he got the idea yeah either way i't know if it's true or not, because there's a lot of there's a lot of things self-serving shit going on here. So the woman is knocked unconscious and suffered a lacerated scalp requiring six stitches in the brawl. Another guy had a broken arm and some woman broke her thumb somehow. I don't know. thumb somehow i don't know so by the way here is a story from a newspaper about that night and this is how it was being played in the press and uh it was being played very much like alan iverson came in there and said let's beat some crackers with chairs like that was the whole point of they didn't even want a bowl they just that's that's their own chairs. Yeah, they did. They took out a foreign object. So here's a story. Quote, my God. I love, it's so dramatic, these fucking articles. This is, Allison, Iverson, Allen Iverson has the opposite of fluff pieces, by the way. Most people have fluff pieces.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Most people have fluff pieces. All of his pieces are like, this is how bad of a guy alan iverson is he's detrimental pieces there was a whole industry in there like a cottage industry of hating alan iverson and writing stories about alan iverson that people would then buy because they hated alan iverson it's fucking do you think that was the demonizing of the gang culture because they thought alan iverson was it was the 90s yeah it was the 90s it was the whole the whole thing of that that's all it was it's these damn gangster culture that's what they would say all the time and you'll hear that he wears baggy basketball shorts and and and talks with a southern accent hangs out with other black guys
Starting point is 00:36:37 what's that black guy with all those black guys yeah yeah, yeah. No fucking shit. So here's the story. Quote, For Julia Weaver and the rest of the bowling alley staff, it had been a long, busy night. Throughout the evening, she had hustled to keep up with a crunch of shoe rentals
Starting point is 00:36:55 and lane seekers. This is all... It's a Friday night? It's a Friday night at the bowling alley. What do you expect? But I mean, they have to set the scene like it's, oh, keep up with the crush of shoe rentals what do you get 12 there you go two
Starting point is 00:37:08 bucks how fucking hard is that spray the shit in the used ones let's go not that hard um in between she'd announced to the evenings she'd announced the evening's high games hand out prizes and talk up the alley's promotions over a loudspeaker so she's the hype man here for it. She'd also had to keep her eye on one group of bowlers who'd been goofing off on lanes 9 and 10. Twice, she dispatched Brandon Smith to ask
Starting point is 00:37:35 one teen, later identified as Michael Simmons, not to stand on the chairs. They're standing on chairs, Jimmy! My God! Call the National Guard, not chairs. Twice. He just keeps standing on chairs jimmy my god call the national guard not chairs twice he just keeps standing on those hard plastic chairs that you can just spray down and wipe off he keeps standing on him i know a kid peed on it three hours ago but still he can't stand on it right the old men are farting on them, which is worse. Constantly beer fart, fucking burning them right into it.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Later, she went to the lanes herself to tell another teen to stop bowling on a lane that had been shut off. To Smith's amazement, Weaver didn't know who the teen was. To Brandon Smith's amazement, this woman didn't know. Come on, you know who that is, Smith told her. Man, that's Bubba Chuck. So that was the nickname even in the newspaper. They called him that. He said, Alan Iverson, he's in the paper all the time.
Starting point is 00:38:30 And the guy, Brandon Smith, this woman said that he was saying how great Iverson was. And holy shit, this dude, because he went to school with him. He's like, dude, he's like the best athlete we've ever fucking had. This guy wins championships in both sports. That's wild. But it says here Weaver was more concerned with getting through the night now as midnight approached she was relieved it was almost over it was uh then that she saw trouble brewing near forest's end of the building
Starting point is 00:38:55 trouble brewing okay this is the steve forest crew here of the guys uh here's what the article says about them quote they always bowled three games let's set the tone here pierre they always bowled three games and they were in the 10th frame of the third game for about a year that was the routine on saturday night they'd go to circle lanes in hampton drink a few beers and bowl three games that children. I believe they're all underage. Yes, but that's fine. What do we do?
Starting point is 00:39:29 Who cares? It's a bowling alley. There's no rules in a bowling alley. That's the thing. It really isn't. There is no rules in a bar. It's all, it's not a bar cause there's like bowling and like video games and stuff. So it feels like you're in this other worldly thing.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Almost like you're in somebody's basement. Right. So it feels like, ah, give the kid a goddamn beer for Christ's sake. He mowed the lawn. That's what it feels like you're in this otherworldly thing, almost like you're in somebody's basement. Right. So it feels like I'll give the kid a goddamn beer for Christ's sake. He mowed the lawn. That's what it feels like. I got fired from one and I put my wrong Social Security number when I when I got hired. I got a letter like three years later asking if I wanted the twelve dollars and eighty three cents for Social Security put into my don't like who gives a shit.
Starting point is 00:40:04 I don't care what you do with it. I'm not putting a stamp on an envelope. So I can get $12 45 years from now. My contribution, who gives a shit? Put it in that guy's social security number then. Who gives a shit? It costs me 45 cents now to get $12 40 years from now. This is a crazy weird.
Starting point is 00:40:23 I inverted my middle number. Jesus Christ. You're a mess weird. I inverted my middle number. Jesus Christ. You're a mess. Yeah, I'm a mess. I didn't know my own social security number. As a kid, though, I remember not knowing it either because you didn't need it that much as a kid. How old were you?
Starting point is 00:40:36 Was this a teenage job? Yeah, it was the job after I got robbed at the pizza place and I quit because of that. So I went over there. It was right next door, literally. Teenage jobs. Teenage jobs, I remember. Oh, so it because of that. So I went over there. It was right next door. Literally right next door. Teenage jobs, I remember. Oh, so it was much safer.
Starting point is 00:40:48 That's good. Yeah. I made a real conscious decision. Good deal. Teenage jobs, you don't remember that shit, though. If they're robbing businesses, this one's next door. It's probably the next one that's going to get in. Hey, what about the one next door?
Starting point is 00:40:59 They look soft. Oh, it's that kid again. They're real soft. Oh, it's that kid again. They're real soft. So they had to drink a few beers and bowl three games. Yeah. They always bowled three games. Remember that? Fascinating.
Starting point is 00:41:13 That night, they decided to bowl four. Oh, they should have got out. We wish we hadn't, of course, Steve Forrest says now. Okay. We wish we hadn't, of course, Steve Forrest says now. Okay. While Forrest and his friends from Pocuswan, I guess that's the high school or the town, I don't know where the fuck they're from, bowled on one end of the alley. Bethel High School sports star Allen Iverson and his friends bowled at the other.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Iverson's group horsed around. Michael Simmons stood on a chair. Iverson kept bowling after his lane was turned off. Employees told both of them to stop. Almost like teenagers. Weird. Yeah. It's almost like they're teenagers, like, in a place.
Starting point is 00:41:52 I get that they're being shitheads, but I would have, I was. There's no parental supervision. They're going to do what they do. I would have done the same thing. If you're going to take teenagers' money as a business, part of that is they're going to stand on the chairs. Yeah. It happens, man. I used to bowl between my legs as a business part of that is they're gonna stand on the chairs like yeah it's it happens i used to bowl between my legs as a joke and yeah we turn the bumpers on and blast the ball down
Starting point is 00:42:10 the way off the bent the shit out of those bumpers sorry about it you got 11 for me shut the fuck up that's what i get for 11 i get to i get to break whatever i want for 11 don't you understand make me bring my parents. Make it tougher then. Make it harder to break. On a lane between Forrest and Iverson, Kevin Fife was bowling the game of his life. Strike, spare, strike, spare,
Starting point is 00:42:36 strike, strike, spare. He had one frame to go. His girlfriend, Christy Alligood, was bowling. Then it would be his turn. Not far away theresa woolston a snack bar worker plopped down at the table to count her tips they're really setting the scene here it had been a busy night her customers both black and white had been friendly people seemed to be enjoying themselves pins crashed bowlers cheered why why do we gotta put the race oh god well because the customers were the whole
Starting point is 00:43:06 this whole thing is racial that's why the whole the whole entire i mean it's a huge deal yeah the whole 90s alan iverson thing there's a lot of there's a lot to it that can only be fucking prescribed to that is you you're probably don't like black people that much if you feel that strongly about a guy just because you don't like his hair and you think his shorts look weird. Like you got to really. It's the truth. We were there. And I remember how it was.
Starting point is 00:43:33 And it was very like anybody who did anybody who wasn't Carlton. They'd be like, he's Tupac. That's what people were. You're either Carlton or Tupac. You couldn't fucking win in the 90s if you're a black guy. It's true. Yeah. In terms of like the medias if you're a black guy. It's true. It's true, yeah. In terms of like the media and sports culture and everything like that, that's how it was.
Starting point is 00:43:52 You were either one of the good guys or a thug. You couldn't be just a normal person. You had to be either Warren Moon until he beat his wife or Allen Iverson. So anyway, here we go. It was midnight February 14th with the lights down low. Moonlight bowling drew to a close. How the fight began and what happened afterwards remains subjects of intense debate. Of course it does to this day. Forrest, who was injured, tells one story.
Starting point is 00:44:23 Iverson tells another another both versions are backed by witnesses okay in steve forest's version he and his friends were wrapping up their fourth and final game they're in the 10th frame as iverson approached their end of the bowling alley what's your problem iverson asked some obscene words thrown in what are you looking at at first people in forest group didn't know if iverson was talking to them or someone else. When it became clear Iverson was talking to them, Forrest said he stood up and told Iverson they didn't have any problem and they didn't want any trouble. They're actually about to leave. I knew I was getting set up for something, it seemed like, Forrest said.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Witnesses said Michael Simmons, Iverson's friend, came up and blindsided Forrest, punching him in the back of the head. And that's when all hell broke loose. That's not the way Alan Iverson tells it, though. At his trial, we'll talk about later on. Iverson said he walked from lanes nine and ten where he'd been bowling to the snack bar at the alley's other end. He was with Dwayne Campbell, a friend. Some people at the snack bar sitting near the snack bar were the alley's other end. He was with Dwayne Campbell, a friend. Some people at the snack bar, sitting near the snack bar, were talking loud,
Starting point is 00:45:28 Iverson said. He walked over and a white man stood up. The man, allegedly alleged by defense attorneys to be Forrest, called him an N-word and a little boy. Iverson said. Quote, he was in my face like almost
Starting point is 00:45:43 touching, Iverson said. I told him he wasn't going to do nothing to me, Iverson said, quote, he was in my face like almost touching, Iverson said. I told him he wasn't going to do nothing to me, Iverson said. The man swung a chair and hit him on the head, Iverson said. Then somebody grabbed him and took him outside. He didn't throw a chair or a punch at anybody, Iverson said. When interviewed last week, Forrest said he didn't call Iverson or anybody else at the alley a racial a racial slur. Most Saturday nights, blacks outnumber whites at the bowling alley, Forrest said. Quote, If anybody thinks I'm crazy enough to stand up at circle lanes at midnight and say N-word, well, I'm just not that stupid.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Now, witnesses. Here's another witness here. The woman like for a quote like Forrest, she never saw the first punch thrown. What she did see was Melvin Stevens Jr. streak from the spot of the commotion to the alley's opposite end and return with a group of friends. There, counting her tips at a table near the entrance, Teresa Woolston had been oblivious to all of it until she heard the crash. Wollstone had been oblivious to all of it until she heard the crash. I looked up, recalls Wollstone. Almost directly in front of her, a group of black teenagers had swarmed toward a group of white people.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Straining to see through the crowd, she saw two or three white men surrounded by the black teens. It looked like they were getting ready to duke it out, she recalls, and all of a sudden everybody was involved. She heard shouts, the screams. Before she could make sense of what was happening, chairs began to fly. Wollstone scooped up her tips, screaming, stop it, stop it, fleeing from the kitchen. She leaned against a metal door and recalls thinking, my God, what are they doing? From inside the kitchen, she heard chairs crashing, tables flipping. She tried to keep a fellow snack bar worker, Joy Haskard, from going out into the into the fray if they had to she thought they could escape out the back door it's not on fire she
Starting point is 00:47:31 needs an escape route fucking teenagers fighting you know what i mean another snack bar worker monica hughes had been up in the kitchen when the uh quote the next thing i knew the whole bowling alley was in an uproar oh boy she said she She said she looked out and saw, plain as day, Allen Iverson fling a chair at a woman. She watched the woman fall in a heap. Later, she would tell detectives she hadn't seen much, fearing the repercussions of getting involved. Yeah, that's the way they put it there.
Starting point is 00:47:58 But what happened is when they were asking later on, she never said that this happened. And then all of a sudden in court now she's saying i saw him throw a fucking chair and she's like i didn't want to say anything because i was afraid you're afraid of a teenager a bunch of the other part is who gives a fuck what happened if you didn't see how it started they shouldn't take your statement i get that they need they need that for like corroboration of details fill stuff in yeah but if people didn't see it start it it does it really matter who did what that's the other thing you have no idea it's just a good point but i mean this is defending
Starting point is 00:48:32 who and who's defending what you don't know if it if you didn't see how this shit started it's just very yeah it's just very interesting that one of the people that will be involved in this is one of the workers and then all of a sudden when she finds that out later on then the story is different to support yeah him so it's it's that's what i feel like i feel like i'm not you know i don't know but she said but hughes said i never saw her get whacked with that chair and iverson was the assailant oh i saw her get whacked with that chair she said and iverson was the assailant she said i'll never forget that face okay the manager handsome guy the manager that night ben bailey pulled pulled the pulled the fucking cash cab into the bowling alley parking
Starting point is 00:49:13 lot and decided to get down he's a big guy he's like six seven he can go in there and fucking push some kids aside who was the first monarch of england and they're like what and then he starts punching teenagers pow pow take that the chairs are for me motherfuckers yeah the lights just start going if you get this answer wrong i'm gonna knock your lights out everybody says he's a very nice guy by the way i. I've been told that, too. I've heard not a bad word about him in comedy. Absolute angel. Yeah, that he's a very sweet man. So much so that they were planning on redoing Cash Cab with a different person, and every comedian came to his aid.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Oh, yeah, he came out. If you do that to him, we swear to fuck. Yeah. We will burn down the industry. For Ben Bailey. He's a nice guy. People like him. Yeah, he's the sweetheart of a man.
Starting point is 00:50:04 So the manager that night, Ben Bailey, jumped in, screaming, everybody out of the building. industry for ben bailey he's a nice guy people like yeah he's the sweetheart of a man so the manager that night ben bailey jumped in screaming everybody out of the building uh quote i was trying to get them separated he said so i could get one group over here and one group over there and me in the middle that doesn't sound safe you guys fight it out i'm not getting in the middle of you fucking morons how big is ben bailey but he's big in real life he's like six seven maybe it is really Ben Bailey. Maybe when he was trying to be a comedian back in the day, he was managing a bowling alley sometimes. You never know.
Starting point is 00:50:31 He is from Boston. That's close. It's not really, but it's down the east. It's over there. It's 1,000 miles away, but that's fine. 800 miles away. Is it that far? Probably 800 miles away or something.
Starting point is 00:50:40 I don't know. So he said something. He said, this is the article. Oh, I'm sorry. said, Woolston, or this is the article, Woolston. Oh, I'm sorry. Suddenly, as soon as quickly as it started,
Starting point is 00:50:49 the fight seemed to stop. Woolston peeked out and saw that the blacks had left. Jesus. It's a weird sentence. That sentence is it? The blacks had left the whites and it says that saw the blacks had left. The whites had stayed behind. It's a very it is it feels very racist it's just yeah it's funny um it's very it tells it tells a story it's it's you see what's happening amazed at the swift rise and fall of the violence
Starting point is 00:51:19 she emerged from the kitchen and walked toward an abandoned war zone of overturned chairs and tables. War zone, like there's things smoking. Watch out for the IEDs! There's landmines still active! Jesus! Hughes walking out with her carrying ice, or Hughes walked out with her carrying ice for the woman who'd been knocked to the floor, Barbara Steele. I had to get the tables out of the way to
Starting point is 00:51:43 see if she was alright, Hughes said. St said steel lay bleeding from the head her eyes glazed i had some ice but ice wasn't going to do much good i thought she was going to die i had to do surgery i had to do so i so i next thing you know i got a scalpel or at least what we used to cut the velveta to put on the nachos an hour ago she was deep frying chicken now she deserves a purple heart wow um suddenly hughes said another larger group of blacks appeared heading the group she said was iverson he's the one i saw coming in behind me she said i saw him leading the group by this time hughes wolston and weaver all say they saw a white person being the aggressor um a woman whom woolston describes describes as having straight medium-length brown
Starting point is 00:52:33 hair stormed up to one of the black teens and got in his face she had her chest a quote she had her chest up against his and was saying oh you think that's funny you think that's funny wolston cringed as she watched she was like oh this isn't gonna end well um the thinking in my mind was that she must be nuts because there's no way i confront a man black or white like that i don't believe in a man hitting a woman anytime but she was very pushy she just said she just said i mean she was to the point where vagina or not she's getting a shot to the fucking mouth here she's getting a little pushy like that she was she got blasted i'd understood i don't believe in that she had to i don't believe in it but she was very pushy is what i'm just saying
Starting point is 00:53:15 that's an amazing she did say but what a what a coda on that one wow that is wild but she was very pushy i'm just saying so then the other guy jumps in hughes agreed she was pointing right in his face she recalled oh that's another woman hughes uh wolston said the black male who whom she could not identify said quote get out of my face bitch that was a very 93 term yeah out of my face bitch then woolston said she pushed him he pushed her and then it exploded and happened all over again what is wrong with this girl like you're not physically fun don't push people you don't intend to physically fight right that's a thing that's one thing don't do that especially strangers you don't know maybe she can push her boyfriend and he'll take it but
Starting point is 00:54:02 you don't know if this guy's like, OK, you push me now. I don't give a fuck who you are. And there's people out there. Don't give a fuck. Don't test people. There's a thing called self-defense. And if that's not one of your if that's a stranger, don't put your fucking hands on strangers.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Don't don't know what their touch people, what their morals are. A whether or not they hit women and B, if you hit somebody by putting your hands on them, it doesn't matter your gender. At that point, they're defending themselves. That's the problem here. So apparently, and she goes on, Wollstone, to say, this time it was worse. Tables flipped, chairs are flying, people were running in circles. That sounds silly.
Starting point is 00:54:40 At some point, Weaver snatched a telephone from its hook and dialed 911. She just said she called 911, snatched a telephone from its hook and dialed 9-1-1 she just said she called 9-1-1 snatched a telephone from its hook and dialed 9-1-1 like it was dangling above her head and she had to climb 9-1-1 help me fucking ridiculous yeah that's what she made it sound like she had like a gun hanging off her back no shoes on climbing up a fucking ladder with broken rungs to get to a phone dangling off a hook like it's a like it's a money in the bank thing in wwe or something what the fuck with two three ribs exposed oh yeah yeah absolutely jesus cry bleeding from the forehead a can of bad fucking day i have
Starting point is 00:55:19 a bad fucking headache a camcorder laying on the counter taped her pacing back and forth yeah a lot of this is on tape that's the thing wow the tape shows her screaming oh my god into the phone that's all she did despite the spite the fight spilled into several lanes frightened onlookers both white and black sought refuge by running down the alleys some hit among the pins they were diving back behind the pins people were diving into the underbelly of the bowling alley you don't know what's in there on the lane yeah that's what they're doing we there's a machine that's what i'm saying it's good it's it's processes bowling balls and shit they just fucking did that i don't know so uh they did that. Dawn Westmoreland, who was white, said she and other nearby bowlers, both black and white, ran to the opposite end of the building.
Starting point is 00:56:11 I felt like I could have easily been killed, she said. There was no stopping it. A videotape captured some of the most violent moments. A 10-second slice, among the only clear moments, shows a group of black teens showering a small group of white people with chairs one white man standing in the center of the melee topples after a chair slams into the back of his head a man throws downward punches at someone another man carrying a chair runs from off camera toward the crowd weaving among the people which is it's it is a melee i will say that this shit sounds like a fucking melee um he throws the chair picks up another and throws it a white woman stooping over throws a chair
Starting point is 00:56:54 as she straightens up she disappears under a two-chair barrage she threw one and got two back for her troubles holy shit, during the brawl, it goes on to say, Steele, a bowler in Alligood's group, in that one group that we talked about, gets hit over the head with a chair and is knocked unconscious. Prosecutors are going to say that Iverson hit her.
Starting point is 00:57:18 All right? Her wound would require six stitches to sew up, and she later suffered amnesia. Fuck. Members of Alligood's group had not known Iverson, did not know Forrest, and did not know how the fight started. They had only been just bowling a few lanes away, and that's how they got involved. Smith, the bowling alley employee, sees Iverson hit a woman over the head with a chair, according to his later testimony,
Starting point is 00:57:46 and Smith says he tries to help the woman, but Iverson hits him in the head with a chair according to his later testimony and Smith says he tries to help the woman but Iverson hits him in the face with a chair breaking his glasses Forrest suffers a broken arm when he gets hit by a chair as well Lou Clark or Lori Clark a member of Forrest's group breaks her thumb while trying to fend off a chair she also gets a black eye
Starting point is 00:58:02 Dennis Clark gets attacked twice and is pelted with chairs fists and feet the second attack takes place when he tries to help steal his girlfriend clark suffers about eight knots on his head bruises all over his body and a swollen ankle witnesses later estimated about eight people pummeled clark at once bob wilkes jr a member of allah good's group tried to help a woman who was being attacked he got hit with a chair or a fist and is knocked unconscious
Starting point is 00:58:30 a friend grabs Wilkes and removes him from the fray he comes to only to get knocked out again this guy's gonna have fucking CTE from this one night he's not even an athlete knocked unconscious woken up knocked out again when he comes to yet again he tries to escape by running onto the lanes.
Starting point is 00:58:48 Once there, he's attacked with fists, chairs, and kicks and is knocked unconscious for a third time. Oh, my God. Knocked out again. My God. Before being knocked out, Steele approaches Iverson and asks why he doesn't stop the fighting. Who the fuck is he? There's 40 people in a brawl. What's he going to do, stand up on a chair?
Starting point is 00:59:09 Bubba Chuck says to stop. It's not going to happen. It's a fucking brawl. Broker peace. Come on. She asks him, quote, why does this have to be racial, she asks him, according to her court testimony. Alligood stands near Steele. Iverson puts two fingers on one of Alligood's cheeks and pushes her face to the side, she
Starting point is 00:59:28 says. Alligood escapes injury during the brawl when her boyfriend, Kevin Fife, takes her down into the pins. Into the pins. Are these short lanes? How are they? And those lanes are oiled. They're oiled to shit.
Starting point is 00:59:42 You'd be falling all over the place. Oh, bowling shoes. You got those bowling shoes on. Yeah. How are you going to get down there? I don't know. They're doing it, though. Alligood escapes injury when it takes her into the pins.
Starting point is 00:59:54 Four black males then chase Fife across the lanes, according to Alligood. Petrified, said Alligood when asked how she felt that night. The first thing that went through my mind was that I hoped nobody had a gun. It was the scariest moment of my life easily. We can say it till we're blue in the face, but people will never know how bad it was that night. I understand the panic. When you see those-
Starting point is 01:00:15 That's a fucking riot, yeah. It's scary. It really is. No, it is a riot. Where's the guy, somebody, just to get some fucking order here? But don't worry. It'll only last a minute
Starting point is 01:00:25 it's not long i worked at a bar in downtown phoenix one of the giant ones there uh it was a bouncer and there was a fucking riot after a giant motocross event at the arena dear god those guys are a nightmare oh yeah they're they're fucking fans are just the classiest you're ever gonna get they're fueled up on monster energy drink. And booze by then. It was such a big riot. They had fucking police helicopters overhead and shit. It was a fucking insane scene.
Starting point is 01:00:52 It's scary. It's fucking terrifying. So also the Arizona Rattlers started a fucking riot amongst themselves, which was interesting. The Arena League team. Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. That makes sense. Well, the receiver had a broken beer
Starting point is 01:01:05 bottle that he was going to stab the quarterback with for being mean to his sister and we were supposed to fix this i'm like that's their fucking problem they're the same team i don't care about this at all fuck that take that to the locker room i said i said call one of their coaches this isn't my fucking problem yeah get who's who's in charge of receivers down here get him down here i'm fucking not my problem so the the offensive coordinator, anyone. Yeah, not me. Tell you that much. So as the fight was over, a young black woman knelt by Steele, daubed her face with napkins and began wrapping her head wound to stop the bleeding. Steele's boyfriend, Dennis Clark, removed his shirt and used it to use for a wrap. Clark and the black woman comforted Steele until the ambulance arrived. The black woman held Steele's hand. That night really meant a lot to all of us, that she was there in the middle of a racially motivated fight,
Starting point is 01:01:55 and she was putting towels and napkins on Barbara's head. Well, she wasn't in the fight. After Steele was taken away, the black woman approached Alligood. She came over and grabbed my hand and said, your friend will be okay. I think she's all right. She's just a nice person. It's shocking that this black lady was a nice person. Wow.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Weird. Can't believe she gave a shit about other people. Holy shit. Steele and the others didn't learn the woman's name that night, Alligood said, but they've wanted to find her ever since so they could thank her for her kindness. For the next week, that was the thing we kept saying that was so nice of that girl, says Steele. I wish I knew who that lady was so I could thank her. I don't remember it, though. Okay. Steele remembers little of the night after being hit on the head, a blow she never saw coming. Wulst and the snack bar worker walked out and surveyed the damage. Weaver met her among what
Starting point is 01:02:42 would later be called a war zone weaver remembers thinking is somebody lying dead one by one with the help of other employees woolston began tipping the tables upright and she and the others retrieved chairs from the pit areas and lanes said woolston if those chairs would have been bullets there would have been a lot of dead people oh for god's sake if anything is bullets there's a lot of dead people i'll tell you what james if those chairs were all nuclear weapons this whole town would have been gone. Everything would have been dead. D.C. would have been wiped out.
Starting point is 01:03:10 What are we doing? When the leaves fall from the trees, go, if those were bullets, we'd all be dead by now. And see what people say to you. What are you talking about? Watch a boxing match and go, if those punches were bullets, those guys would both be dead. Yeah, they would. If all these Skittles were fentanyl. That's it.
Starting point is 01:03:27 Go to Taco Bell. They gave me four fucking fire sauces. If these fire sauces had been bullets, I'd be dead. Although I'm eating Taco Bell, so that's tenuous as it is. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Cups, paper plates, and napkins littered the floor. There was blood and beer everywhere, Hughes said.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Drained, Wollstone returned to the snack bar. Then a touch of absurdity. Where's my grilled cheese sandwich, a woman demanded. I'm hungry. That's awesome. That would be me. I'm fucking high still, so I want my grilled cheese. I don't give a shit about any of this.
Starting point is 01:04:06 I paid $2.75. Give me it. Yeah. Burned, Wolston said. I'll probably have to make you another one. You think? Later as the crew put the- Or that's the best way.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Hand it over. It's going to be delicious. It's crunchy. Give it over. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Leave her. A-long. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother.
Starting point is 01:04:57 That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award- winning series returns. How did I know that? I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming.
Starting point is 01:05:10 You can say anything. Judy Justice, only on Freebie. Later, as the crew put the room back together, Wollstone recalls hearing a song played over and over in the background. I remember after it was over, somebody kept playing Michael Jackson's Black or White
Starting point is 01:05:29 on the jukebox. She said. Who is that genius? And it's saying over and over, it doesn't matter if you're black or white, as long as you're fucking, as long as you're nine. You can't hear that part, but it's very subtle. If you're black or white, as long as you're nine. You can't hear that part, but it's very subtle. If you put the whole way, as long as you're nine.
Starting point is 01:05:47 As long as you got no pubes. Show me your butthole. As long as you're smooth down there, that's all I care. After what happened, it seemed kind of comical. After seeing what I had just seen, it doesn't matter. That's pretty awesome i want to know who what genius just went over there and dumped money in and pressed b16 b16 b16 played fucking five bucks worth of black or white and the funny thing would be like that the john mulaney joke would be every time it stopped, you'd wait a second and a half. The fuck is that again?
Starting point is 01:06:32 You know it's going to fucking every time. You know how it starts every fucking time. I would fall over. Everybody would stop. You'd stop what you're doing. Everybody, there'd be all this table movement. Everybody would stop. One, two. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Fucking goddamn it. think about you'd stop what you're doing everybody there'd be all this table moving everybody to stop one two some people going shit and some people dying laughing and you know how much did they pay they're a genius god damn it it had to be one of you that's amazing now all of this and the police are called like we said 9-1-1 so when there's
Starting point is 01:07:06 30 people fighting you can imagine there are quite a few arrests how many people you think were arrested here jimmy every last one of them 25 um no um four what are their names james uh alan iverson and his three friends those are their names of course i'll tell you their names here in a second those are the only people that got arrested in this entire melee wow wow people got hit with chairs and we're gonna just call that self-defense people everywhere got hit which it's it's wild so um alan says this later on this is his quote quote you know what this should be in their own words. I think he's defending himself about swinging chairs.
Starting point is 01:07:48 This is, I think, what in their own words was made for. These are probably not folding chairs. These are probably those fucking chairs. Yeah. Fiber glass ones with the round bottom. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, absolutely. So heavy.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Big old fucking chairs causing shit. Metal legs stabbing people. He said, in their own words, quote, for me to be in a bowling alley where everybody in the whole place know who I am and be cracking people upside the head with chairs and think nothing going to happen. That's crazy. And what kind of man would I be to hit a girl in the head with a damn chair? I'd rather have him say I hit a man with a chair, not no damn woman. I need my credit. Yeah, I'll hit a guy but i didn't woman which the only direct thing with the woman was she was up in his face and he put two fingers on her face and pushed her away yeah so he didn't get that was in the middle of a brawl so if he
Starting point is 01:08:38 hit women he would have hit a woman right there i think he would have drilled her i think he would have fucking drilled her so either way um melvin stevens samuel winn and michael simmons and alan iverson the only four people arrested in this entire fucking melee his high school basketball coach iverson's said quote they wanted to make an example out of iverson and his lawyer iverson's lawyer said only by the way first he's held with no bond what no bond like he's the fucking murderer like he's a terrorist like that's crazy his lawyer said only
Starting point is 01:09:12 defendants not given bond or capital murderers right yes anyway so he ends up getting out on bond eventually but the first hearing he gets no bond ridiculous he plays in a tournament during all this in the middle of this. He plays in Indianapolis.
Starting point is 01:09:29 And I guess this was the this was the top hundred twenty five college prospects played in a five day tournament there. And USA Today called him the jewel of the tournament. And the tournament's player selection chairman said every school in the country wants him. Even if he was John Dillinger, they'd take him. So chairman said that school in the country wants him even if he was john dillinger they'd take him so chairman said that no no this is the this is the uh the chairman yeah the selection chairman hilarious he's like his his chair play is incredible it's he's got great chair he gives great chair and we're gonna we're gonna we're looking at his title is chairman pipe down for this one.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Have your speaker say something. No shit. So if he was Dillinger, they'd take him. They don't care. Now, two days after this, though, he's got court. And the Nike was the sponsor of the tournament, pays to fly Iverson back to his trial. Is that right? They're paying to fly children to trials.
Starting point is 01:10:22 That's pretty funny. They're paying to fly children to trials. That's pretty funny. The prosecutor, Colleen Killalea, said that, quote, now it's our turn to just do it since he's been here. Like, you fucking corny asshole. She says here, quote, this is his defense attorney. Oh, no, I'm sorry. This is the prosecutor again.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Mr. Iverson had two choices, either stay and participate or get out he stayed and participated and became a member of the mob he made the wrong choice uh two men and a woman were injured during this uh this is what this is what the prosecutor said two men and a woman were injured in the fracas during which black people started hitting whatever white people got in their way well i mean she said this in court um if everybody that's with you is is black and the people that are aggressing you are it's pretty easy to know who to fend off i guess so but that was just the way that she put that it seems a little irresponsible uh iverson who denied throwing any chairs or punches said the fight started after somebody called him the
Starting point is 01:11:22 n-word and little boy um iverson's other attorney argued that Iverson shouldn't be convicted. They're charging him with maiming by mob, by the way. You know what maiming by mob was made for? This is what I mean. This is certainly political because that was a law that was it's an anti lynching law from the 1800s in Virginia. Ridiculous. And they're using that against them because they think that's kind of amusing is what that is. That's what they think it is.
Starting point is 01:11:49 So he said that no mob existed is what his lawyer said, at least not the word as defined by law. Iverson and his friends didn't gather to attack others. They came there to bowl. So if they had come there to start a riot, that would be a mob. But they came there to bowl and then a riot broke out. A mob might have formed. There's black lights on, for Christ's sake. Yeah, there's fucking stars up and shit.
Starting point is 01:12:12 He said they didn't gather to attack others. There's no common purpose when people come running from everywhere because of the words fight, fight, fight. That's what he says. Now, all the things I just told you are set in court. All those are all statements. That's what everybody says. Iverson, he's 17, is found guilty. Of a an adult felony charge of maiming by mob.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Is that right? They found him fucking guilty. Yeah. The judge allowed him to stay or remain in his mother's custody until sentencing. While he's there, he can't leave home after eight o'clock unless it's for work or school. The curfew means he has to miss the AAU 17 and under tournament in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. The last year he led the team to a championship and he won the tournament's most valuable player. So sentencing sentencing comes around.
Starting point is 01:13:06 He has no prior convictions for anything. This is a felony, a violent felony. But sentencing guidelines call for a punishment in this for this of 11 years and 10 months for three convictions. Wow. The state arrives at its guidelines by calculating what others receive for the same offenses in the past five years. The judge can reject that, obviously, but this is what the prosecution is putting forward. The the prosecutor said that they still haven't decided whether she'll ask the judge to put Alice Iverson behind bars at the sentencing. Iverson's attorney, Herbert Kelly Sr., asked the judge to send Iverson to the Maine Central Institute, a prep boarding school with rigid rules and discipline.
Starting point is 01:13:47 Like a military type of school. Jesus. But it also has a nationally known basketball program as well. Oh. Iverson had already been accepted to MCI would allow the young man to get away from the spotlight he's under in Hampton while finishing his senior year at a school that demands its students be in bed by 10 p.m. on weekdays and mandates study hall sessions. The lawyer said, let him see or let him see how he does allow him to find a way into the future to contribute to the community. But the prosecutor said, no, he should go to jail because he failed to leave to live up to his legal stipulations.
Starting point is 01:14:27 When he got pulled over that time, he didn't do his community service. So he should go to prison now because he's not going to do it here either. So Iverson. Yeah, this is not the same. They're not. But when he when he came into when he got into the NBA, there was a whole like a hate campaign against him. Oh, I know. I didn't recognize that. I didn't know it was this. No, it's it comes from this. And it was just this whole thing.
Starting point is 01:14:56 It was a huge hate campaign, which for us as teenagers at the time were like, oh, we should love him more. Thanks. Cool. We love him. You hate that guy. That's my guy. at the time were like oh we should love him more thanks cool we love him you hate that guy that's my guy old fart mckay old fucking mcfart head over here says he doesn't like him so that means i do like him that's how he's a shithead that means he's like me because he also calls me a shithead exactly perfect we're the one and the same so before sentencing iverson addresses the court and he said quote i would like to apologize to my family friends and the community for the embarrassment i might have caused them i do feel bad for what happened that night at the bowling alley i wouldn't want that to happen to anybody in any
Starting point is 01:15:33 situation so the judge sentences him to jesus christ you young man yeah may fuck off it's three charges five years in prison per charge he sentences him to 15 years 15 then suspends 10 of the 15 okay okay so he has to spend five years and with 10 suspended is what the judge uh and it's suspended pending if he fucks up after oh if he fucks up they'll slap him right back in prison this 10 years. This is disgusting. Yeah. It's not good. That's why there's a documentary about it. It's crossover, the trial of Allen Iverson.
Starting point is 01:16:13 It's really fucked up. He will spend, apparently he's supposed to spend four and a half months in the Hampton City Jail, and then after that, he'll be transferred to either the Chesapeake-based St. Brides or some other capon place for penitentiaries. And yeah, with good behavior, he could be out of prison, though, by June 94. OK, OK. Reaction. His mother said, quote, I'm shocked.
Starting point is 01:16:39 It's just unfair to say my boy is a threat to society. I can't believe he won't even get to finish high school. to say my boy is a threat to society. I can't believe he won't even get to finish high school. Jesus Christ. Boo Williams, who's his AAU coach, said there's no question this thing was blown way out of proportion. If they're going to prosecute
Starting point is 01:16:53 everyone who goes out and hits someone, they couldn't build enough jails. The judge feels the pressure from the other side and is just trying to make an example of Allen Iverson. I don't disagree because we grew up in this time. Yeah, exactly right. Bowling alleys, pizza restaurants,
Starting point is 01:17:11 these were the places that high school kids congregated after school on Friday nights, and there was always a fucking fight. Yeah, because they're kids. Every kid. We're always fighting at the malls. There's always fights. There's always fucking fights. I never went to a goddamn party that didn't start. at one point, oh, Jesus Christ, there's a
Starting point is 01:17:27 goddamn brawl now. And the kid that always got smacked in the fucking mouth was the kid that had a big mouth and said something that, in 2022, you obviously don't say to people, whether it's a gay slur or a racial slur. It happened a lot as a child. I heard them all the time. And that kid got his fucking ass kicked. There was a real thing in the 90s of,
Starting point is 01:17:50 we don't see it now, because now when they do any kind of 90s retrospective, they talk about all the rap music and talk about all this shit, and it seems like, oh, wow, things were so like, everybody was listening to everything and everything was so nice in the 90s,
Starting point is 01:18:03 but it wasn't like that. It wasn't, no. It was generational. It was generational. generational it was we liked all that shit and the old people hated it that's hated it that's and hated anyone that made it or liked it that's how it worked and it was oh my god look at your pants are baggy you must be a fucking criminal that's what it was and it was it was a powder keg it It was volatile all the time. And words, granted, have meanings. But slang terms, it wasn't biting and cutting like it is now. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:18:36 But it was obvious when a word was being used to cause anger or hatred. And that person, without fail fail the guy that was doing it with it with hate behind it got the living shit beat usually yeah that's how it worked that's usually how it fucking worked because he would be a lot of people would turn on that person yes you know he's an asshole now now the videotape doesn't come out till after all this shit really the videotape comes out and it's quite inconclusive like a lot of people say there's you could see at one point uh in the tape that i guess alan iverson was being like escorted out basically his friends are like let's get you the fuck out of here type of deal
Starting point is 01:19:18 um so the videotape doesn't exactly match up to everybody's accounts of the night and stories yeah which is going to be every time that something like this happens if there's a videotape doesn't exactly match up to everybody's accounts of the night and stories yeah which is going to be every time that something like this happens if there's a videotape it won't match up to what anybody says because none of these people know what's actually happening so tom brokaw becomes the main voice for alan iverson of all people tom brokaw becomes the main voice for alan iverson we're gonna go visit him in jail and see what he's doing. I do a bad Tom Brokaw, sorry. So Tom Brokaw is a huge,
Starting point is 01:19:50 because he was on the national news at that point, and there was rallies and marches, and this caused a huge uproar in the community. This was not okay here. They wanted all four of these guys out. Brokaw did a special interview with Iverson from the jail and Iverson was very
Starting point is 01:20:10 somber during it and Brokaw said, quote, I thought the sentence was surprisingly harsh. It was a little harsh. Allen on jail said, quote, I had to use the whole jail situation as something positive. Going to jail, someone sees something weak in you, they'll exploit it.
Starting point is 01:20:28 I never showed any weakness. I just kept going strong until I came out. That is horrifying. Yeah, that's when he's 17, so that's extra shit. Horrifying. Yeah. Now, the prison sentence forced him to complete his senior year of high school at Richard Milburn High School, a school for at-risk students instead of competing in sports later on,
Starting point is 01:20:49 because finally, after four months, Iverson is pardoned by Governor Doug Wilder and released from custody. The pressure was too much. There was fucking massive protests. The videotape didn't back up what people said. It's really, it doesn't look good. It doesn't look like an asshole if you leave that kid in there. If there's any any fucking picture of like you and like a Halloween clan costume from 1968 at that point, you better fucking jump on this because, you know, something happened here. So so because of that, he's not allowed to go back to his other school.
Starting point is 01:21:22 He has to go to this school, which doesn't have really good sports programs or anything like that. But he's played well enough to where John Thompson is still ready to give him a scholarship at Georgetown because he's so fucking good. Yeah. Then he goes to court here to try to get it, like, expunged or whatever. I don't know how you put it, like, cleared off. So I guess also he's suing a lawyer the lawyers are fighting with each other his lawyers are fighting with each other there was a hundred million dollar legal malpractice lawsuit filed in iverson's name
Starting point is 01:21:57 wow here uh because apparently the this lawyer had him do a bench trial not a jury trial and the this lawyer's like how fucking stupid are you to not have a jury trial have a couple of black people on it and it's they could see what's going on and or just regular people who go this doesn't sound right somebody with a goddamn heart that understands what the fuck happened so yeah they didn't do that and um so they're claiming that, I guess, the mother, they basically he's saying that his mother had a power to sign something for him, like power of attorney type of deal. And Alan didn't know any better. She signed because that's what the lawyer told her to do. And she said, I don't know fucking shit about trials.
Starting point is 01:22:42 This guy's supposed to be a good lawyer and all this type of shit. So the lawyers are fighting each other. There's a whole big thing of $100 million going back and forth. It's crazy. Either way, he goes to Georgetown finally. 94, 95. And right in the beginning of the season, well, not quite, but in December of 1994, his first child is born. Is that right?
Starting point is 01:23:03 Absolutely. Tiora is her name. T-O-R-A is her name. T-I-O-R-A. So 94-95, the Georgetown Hoyas are 21-10 under coach John Thompson. They win in the first round of the tournament. They beat Xavier. Then the second round, they beat Weber State. And then finally, they play number two seed North Carolina and lose to them.
Starting point is 01:23:28 So that'll happen. Still, good run. Allen this year starts 29 out of 30 games, so not too shabby. He plays 32.2 minutes a game, too. These are 40-minute games. That's a good amount of time, yeah. Averages 20.4 points that year. Damn good for a freshman here.
Starting point is 01:23:46 3.3 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 3 steals a game. Can't tell him to get involved. He is involved. He's all over the stat sheet. He's got a full stat sheet. He wins Big East Rookie of the Year and is also named to the All-Rookie Tournament First Team and just wins not rookie,
Starting point is 01:24:04 but just Big East Defensive Player of the Year as well. Incredible. Because he's averaging three steals a game. People don't remember what sticky D Allen Iverson played. That's the thing. He wasn't tall, so he's not going to block your shot, but he will take your shit. He averaged, there's seasons he averaged
Starting point is 01:24:19 over two and a half steals a game in the NBA. I mean, that's impressive, man. 95-96 Georgetown. They go 29-8 that year. Damn good record. Not too shabby at all. First round, they beat Mississippi Valley State. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:24:35 93-56. They beat the shit out of them in the first round. They were a 15 seed. So New Mexico, they beat in the second round. They beat Texas Tech in the third round. beat texas tech in the third round and then finally number one umass knocks them off after that so not too bad though alan starts all 37 games he plays in almost 33 minutes a game averages 25 points 3.8 rebounds 4.7 assists 3.4 steals he is unbelievable that is crazy fuck that's insane for college
Starting point is 01:25:07 those are wild numbers you'd like to see a couple more assists but who cares i mean he's he's put as a as a point guard scoring like that at will and then oh it will taking the ball from him he's he's incredible he's insane so um he is he's ends his career as the all-time leader in scoring average at Georgetown, 22.9 per game. He's named a first-team All-American. He's named Big East Defensive Player of the Year, both his seasons there. But he also decides to be the first player ever that played for John Thompson at Georgetown to leave early for the NBA. Wow, everybody stays, huh? That's how different shit was back then. This was the beginning of people leaving early. There were still schools like Duke and Duke. It was till like 10 years
Starting point is 01:25:55 ago. No one had come out early. Remember, like it was like 2005 till somebody came out early. It was crazy. But Georgetown was one of those schools, too, that nobody had come out of yet. But Georgetown was one of those schools, too, that nobody had come out of yet. He also goes to be a member of the USA World University Games team in 1995. Ray Allen and Tim Duncan were on that team as well. Probably a decent squad, I'm going to say here. I'm sure that was one of the best ever. Jesus, you could pretty much go three on five with those three guys right there.
Starting point is 01:26:23 Holy shit. That's impressive. Iverson led all the USA players in scoring, assists, and steals, and he helped lead the team to an undefeated record and a gold medal as well there. So not too bad. 1996 NBA draft. Yep. Jimmy, number one pick.
Starting point is 01:26:42 Allen Iverson. It is Allen motherfucking Iverson. And then Sharif Abdur-Rahim? Marcus Camby second. Marcus Camby, that's right. Camby, yep. Who else? There is not a lot in that top ten.
Starting point is 01:26:53 Sharif Abdur-Rahim. Yeah. Stefan Marbury, who we've talked about, Ray Allen's fifth. A lot of good second-tier players. Not second-tier, but not the superstar. Shitloads of sixth men. Not even sixth starters, but not the star of the team. Antoine Walker, Ray Allen.
Starting point is 01:27:10 These are all the same thing. Lorenzen Wright, Kerry Kittles, Samaki Walker, Eric Dampier, Batop and Co. Kobe's number 13, by the way, there. What? Yep, Kobe is 13 by the Charlotte Hornets. Can you imagine? And he didn't even play there, did he? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:27:27 That's why he got picked there. Teams wanted to pick him earlier than that, and he said, I'm not going there. So Charlotte had worked out a trade with the Lakers already that Charlotte would pick him if he was still available, and they traded for Vlade Divac. That was how that worked. Wow. So, yeah, Peja Stojakovic goes right after him. Steve Nash, No. Wow. Yeah, Peja Stojakovic goes right after him. Steve Nash, number 15.
Starting point is 01:27:47 No shit. Jermaine O'Neal, number 17. There are some steals in the mid-round here. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, Steve Nash isn't a fucking lottery pick. You know what I mean? The second 10 are better than the first 10. They are.
Starting point is 01:27:59 They are. Full careers, they absolutely are. Besides Ray Allen, they absolutely fucking are. That's wild. John Wallace, Walter McCarty. Jesus, the Knicks picked two guys that didn't work in a row. God damn it, you guys are fucking. Roy Rogers, Derek Fisher.
Starting point is 01:28:15 Can you imagine being so good at anything that you could tell your employers, I'm not going to work there, I will work. I mean, like in this. When you're 17, you can tell. When you're 17 years old. International conglomerates of men with millions of dollars. I'm not playing there. No thanks. Kind of like to play in LA, you know?
Starting point is 01:28:37 Wow. So he goes to Philadelphia, 76ers. They pick him number one. And Allen goes there to a terrible team. Terrible. They were 22 and 60 his rookie year. Yikes. Not good.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Let me read you their roster and you'll understand why. Okay? Here you go. Mark Bradkey. Michael Cage. Adrian Caldwell. An older Derek Coleman who was, you know, not in his top physical form at this point. Joe Courtney.
Starting point is 01:29:07 Mark Davis. Lucius Harris. Mark Hendrickson. Frankie King. Oh, my God. Don McLean. Oh, no. Singing American Pie and then coming out here.
Starting point is 01:29:19 Bye, bye. This team really sucks. That was a center, right? The only guy who's any good. Small forward, Don McQueen. Was he? Okay. Doug Overton, Jerry Stackhouse, he could still play.
Starting point is 01:29:31 Stackhouse and Iverson were nasty together. They sure were. They were nasty. Rex Walters, Clarence Witherspoon, and Scott Williams, and Allen Iverson. That's their team. They're not going to win a lot of games. That is really bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:46 their team they're not gonna win a lot of games that is really bad yeah um he gets in his rookie year a ton of shit from the media especially and from the league even like everybody is really squeezing him hard um it's bad um he said uh i guess there was a memo that was uh got they got from the league the sixers got from the league saying his shorts were too long yep shorts are too long ankle braces cover too much of his socks and a lot of his dribbles are carries so you got to watch out for that he's going to get trapped they're going to start calling him for traveling every fucking time he moves um so it's really fuck it was really weird man they kobe bryan had the same length shorts. Nobody cared. You know what I mean? Because he would smile and could speak Italian.
Starting point is 01:30:30 So they were like, look at him. He's international and he's so smiley and his dad played in the NBA. And we can see his shins. Look at that. Yeah. Hey, look at your shins. They're great. He said, this is Alan.
Starting point is 01:30:43 He says, quote, I don't understand. He said, I guess it's just gut check. I guess it's something to test my heart and my character. He said. It should be more impressive what he did based on how much shit he wore. He had like fucking. Oh, God. Shit everywhere. Fucking headband.
Starting point is 01:31:00 Because he. Ankle braces. He started all the compression shit and all that stuff. That was him because nobody took a beating like that guy. Right. He would go to the lane like he was fucking, like he was LeBron, like he was a freight train coming through and you better get out of the way. And people just, back then in the 90s, they would just check him to the floor.
Starting point is 01:31:18 Yeah. It was different back then. If you come in at fucking, at a center in the 90s, they put your forearm, their forearm and your ribs and shove you to the ground. 12 pounds of clothes on. Iverson would score 45 a game now. He really would because you're not allowed to do that anymore. That would be a flagrant foul now.
Starting point is 01:31:35 Back then, that was just how you dealt with Allen Iverson. And he can rain threes on top of the amazing dribbles. He was incredible. And if threes were more part of the NBA. The game is great now, but people are always saying, back then he was incredible and if threes were more part of the nba that's they always say people now the game is great now but people are always saying like back then they couldn't shoot the threes no that wasn't the game plan so they weren't going to spend all their time working on threes when if you shot more than two a game your coach would yell at you this is not
Starting point is 01:31:57 how the coaching went so you don't think if michael jordan wanted to practice threes he could hit threes no he can hit a fade away he can hit a fade away from 21 feet no problem but when he goes back behind 23 his brain breaks and he can't do it anymore no if that's what the game was he would have been the best probably the best at it or whoever anyway there you go so um um so yeah he said they in the paper they say quote there's been many stories of him driving around in cars worth more than $100,000. Yeah, he's a young guy. Wait till you hear what he made this year.
Starting point is 01:32:31 You're a young guy. That's what you'd buy. The league security people took note of the company he was keeping and deemed it unsavory. Okay. That's what he called it. Unsavory. He says, I know they're not going to anything uh to me about being a troublemaker he says with all the other guys who've caused trouble in this league i wouldn't even throw
Starting point is 01:32:50 my name out there with all those other guys in this league yeah so he's saying worry about jr rider getting caught fucking doing stupid shit and worry about all these other guys i haven't even carl malone has a 15 year old baby's anybody all of you anybody care about that oh no face of the league thanks very. Very good. Okay. That's good. Well, in Utah, that's not frowned upon. That's why.
Starting point is 01:33:09 You should have two by now. In Utah, it's like, oh, she's got a lot of childbearing years ahead of her, I guess. So, 96-97, he plays in 76 games, starts 74, 40.1 minutes a game, too. He fucking worked it. Nobody worked on the court. If you watched a game, at the end of the game, you go, Jesus Christ, nobody worked harder in that game than Allen Iverson. Nobody. Practice, another story.
Starting point is 01:33:33 Practice? Practice? I don't know when to put that in there, so we'll talk about it now. That's the greatest thing, when the press asks him about practice, and he goes, man, practice? We're talking about practice. His half answers, and then we're talking about practice. We're talking about practice his half answers and then we're talking about practice like i'm averaging 30 a game you're giving a shit what do you care if i show up at two o'clock in the afternoon on a wednesday fuck do you care what does that matter practice you know
Starting point is 01:33:56 how bad it hurts to go out there and do what i do to be the smallest guy on the court and constantly get the shit beaten out of me it hurts fuck practice it's true that's what a lot of people quit sports because of practice yeah emmett smith when he quit he said i could still play the game i can't do the practices anymore two days are brutal just regular days one a day is not good i can get beat up on sunday but i can't get beat up from fucking tuesday to thursday that i can't do. That's going to hurt too bad. Allen, 23.5 points a game. 4.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists, 2.1 steals.
Starting point is 01:34:33 He's a rookie. He wins Rookie of the Year, obviously. Wow, he beat Kobe. Yeah, he beat Kobe. Kobe took him a minute to come around, Kobe. He took a lot of dumb shit shots back in the day. Really? Yeah, Kobe was wild his rookie year.
Starting point is 01:34:48 He was 17. He was too young. And back then, him and Kevin Garnett were the only two guys really to be doing that. So it was like, he can't start. He's only 17. Settle him down. Yeah. So if you played college, it's fine.
Starting point is 01:35:02 So he makes $2,267,000 that year, though. $100,000 car ain't shit. I got another year to play. Especially if you're a kid. I made that in 11 months. What are we talking about? Shit. The day after getting the trophy, the Rookie of the Year trophy, he's back in Hampton, Virginia, testifying on behalf of a guy who he calls dad, who's not his father.
Starting point is 01:35:25 That's Michael Freeman, who we talked about. He is a convicted drug dealer. This is his, like, fifth offense, and Allen's in court testifying for him. Now, on the street, people love him. Here is an administrative official, a female administrative official at Bethel High School. He said, quote, she said, quote, he is loved around these parts. She said, we will not let him be torn down with any more half-truths and fabrications. You people don't know him at all.
Starting point is 01:35:54 You don't know the true Allen Iverson. There you go. A guy who plays football at the school, some kid who goes there, says, hey, it's crazy out there. He's got all that money, all that jewelry and those nice cars. Somebody around here is going to want it. Plus, he's Allen Iverson. They wouldn't think twice about trying to take him just for jealousy or bragging purposes. So we all understand because they're saying like he comes, he wears like he has bodyguards
Starting point is 01:36:18 and shit with him now. So like, yeah, what do you want? Now, at one point, a woman who tutored him after he was released from prison to get his ged she said i asked him one time did god make a mistake with you maybe uh he you were given too much for one person to handle and uh she said he's been best blessed with so many tremendous skills and so many opportunities that i had to ask him that question. People know that he's a great basketball player, but they don't know that when he got out of jail and he was in school, he taught art in our class. He's a fabulous artist. He's also an excellent writer and a superb thinker. He's extremely patient and slow to speak, but he has something to say when he has answers.
Starting point is 01:37:00 But if he only, if he trusts you, if he doesn't, he won't say a word. Yeah, not a dumb guy at all. So August of 1997, his car is driving, but he's not driving. He's the passenger. He's got one of his boys driving, which, I mean, if he had some drinks or something, smart. Maybe it's a good decision. It's 1.27 a.m. near Richmond. I'm sure he's very sober. Oh, he's very, very sober.
Starting point is 01:37:27 They're driving in a Mercedes that he owns, going 93 in a 65, which is the middle of the night. That's how they slow down. Middle of the night, you get it, you know. State trooper stopped the car, smelled weed, and in a search of the car turned up a.45 caliber pistol belonging to Iverson. That was under the seat, so they're calling it concealed because it's under the seat. And also, they found a joint under his seat
Starting point is 01:37:51 and then another joint in the back of the car. The driver is his friend, Maduro Earl Hill. He's charged with reckless driving and is released. And another passenger, Damon Stewart, who was in the backseat, he gets charged with possession of marijuana for the joint that was in the back.
Starting point is 01:38:07 Yeah, that's your weed back there. It's the one closest. Allen gets arrested for the gun and the weed under his seat. So, yeah. Now, an issue from his statement issued through his attorney said, on August 3rd, 1997, Allen Iverson did not commit any drug or firearm offense. Okay. Did not, in case that's what you were thinking, going off of police reports and things like that.
Starting point is 01:38:31 Absolute bullshit. Now, there's a trial. He says he's taking it right to trial. And a spokesman for the 76ers said that club president Pat Croce and the vice president, Billy King, and and Coach Larry Brown all will attend the trial if their schedules are clear that day, depending on the trials. Yeah, they're going to support him, they said. Yeah, the spokesman said it's been talked about, but there haven't been any plane tickets bought or travel plans made. When the date is announced, we'll see how things stand. So at this point, though, afterwards, one of the other guys, I'm sure the guy who got charged with the other joint in the back, said that was my weed, too, up there.
Starting point is 01:39:09 Yeah, that wasn't his. That was mine. He's already charged. Who gives a shit with two joints? It's still a misdemeanor. Fucking who cares? So he said it was mine. So that's not going to work in court now.
Starting point is 01:39:20 They can't get him. They can't try him for that. If there's someone else saying it belonged to them,'s not guilty and um yeah all of that and his lawyers are saying that it's a legally registered gun and it was on the floorboard not me it's not concealed it was in the you could see it it wasn't so they're going to argue about that now there's a what i like to call a holier than thou this is the opposite of the fluff call a holier than thou. This is the opposite of the fluff piece, a holier than thou, like a Nancy Grace article basically here about him. Because he got away with that, quote unquote, this says, quote, and yes, he has. Although the lesson is nothing new to Iverson, this is the lesson.
Starting point is 01:40:01 There are no consequences. What? He's been to jail. It gets worse. What bothers me most about Iverson's arrest last week is also what bothers me about his basketball game. And the two aren't unrelated. But here is where the moral ground starts to shift beneath his feet. Iverson is still a college-age kid, albeit with more experiences than most.
Starting point is 01:40:24 Iverson is still a college-age kid, albeit with more experiences than most. College kids make mistakes and occasionally do things that would best go undetected by guys with flashing lights on their car roofs. In other words, when it's time to castigate Iverson, let he without any potential priors chuck the first stone. That said, it would seem prudent for people driving down the road with marijuana in the car to avoid certain overt acts such as for instance going 93 miles per hour yeah that was i if i had weed in the car back then i wasn't going 93 miles an hour right but i also didn't have the money to pay for a lawyer so that was my main concern if i had money to pay for a lawyer be like i don't give a fuck drive fast i'll get out of this who cares that's not a that's just a rich thing that's what rich people do you know even if i don't get out of it. What?
Starting point is 01:41:06 One hundred twenty five dollar fine. All right. Goodbye. Fine. Yeah. Number Kingpin. Finally, big earn is above the law. That's what people rich people say.
Starting point is 01:41:15 So he goes on to say, but that's what Iverson and his buddies were allegedly doing at one twenty seven a.m. through the Virginia countryside. They might as well have trailed one of those advertising signs that planes pull along the shore. Hey, looky here. Bet you can't catch us. Yeah. Because when there's no cars on the road and you're driving through the middle of nowhere,
Starting point is 01:41:35 nobody speeds. There's nobody there to catch you. So who gives a shit? That's the problem. In the same way, there's nothing necessarily wrong with no look passes behind the back passes and pull up jumpers from 35 feet. You never did them from 35 feet. Maybe 25, but not 35.
Starting point is 01:41:50 30 miles of distance. That's like fucking almost half court. Executing any of those at full blurring speed, however, is usually a bad idea. More often than not, during Iverson's rookie year, that's how he played the game. Gee, a 20-year-old kid didn't have his game polished to fucking you know mvp level yet it's shocking if mitch williams pitched as if his hair were on fire alan iverson ran the point as if his sneakers were ablaze he piled up a raft of turnovers alienated any teammates who happened to work hard for position shot less than 42 percent from the field and led his team to a spiffy total of 22 wins.
Starting point is 01:42:26 By the way, they had 18 the year before he got there. It wasn't like a good team that he took down. They were a piece of shit team that he made watchable. That's all they were. And what were the consequences of playing that way, everybody? Right, he was voted Rookie of the Year. God forbid he had the best rookie season of anybody. God forbid.
Starting point is 01:42:43 Everybody plays like an asshole in the rookie year. Everybody. It's just the way it is. Jordan was sloppy in his rookie year. He was trying to do things he shouldn't have been doing. So exactly where is the profit in doing these things in a conservative manner? Where is the danger of going full speed? If throwing the ball into the stands after a gasp-inducing drive down the court leads to an award,
Starting point is 01:43:02 then if being arrested and if being arrested after a hazy drive down the road leads to an award than if being arrested and if being arrested after a hazy drive down the road leads to a mild rebuke why stop doing either one yeah don't stop doing either one i'll leave it to better reformers to worry about iverson's personal life and the way it might influence the youth of america well you just wrote a whole fucking article about it big mouth also what what are you worried about the youth of America for? At the moment, the best rebounder in the NBA has a taste for cross-dressing and tattoos. So what? The Eagles have a player who drops his drawers in public.
Starting point is 01:43:40 I think the kids are generally smart enough to judge those things for themselves. Whom Iverson chooses to be his friends and what he does out of uniform is more his business than ours, like it or not. He'll either slow down or die, but that's his choice, too. Die? He's not a crackhead. Jesus Christ. Dennis Rodman wore a dress. We're all in trouble. We're all doomed. The country's going downhill. Dennis Rodman has a dress on. I don't give a fuck what he's wearing. Look at his fucking hair. Who cares?
Starting point is 01:44:04 Look at him. It's green and red. He can't do that. Jesus Christ. He has tiger stripes. As a basketball player, however, we get a little more to say, a little more say about him. If Iverson dies, he comes off the scary cap. Comes off the scary cap? I don't know what that means.
Starting point is 01:44:20 As long as he's on the active roster, though, it would be nice if he used his skills instead of abused them. That means playing under control, fulfilling the coach's wishes, recognizing his teammates, and at least occasionally sublimating his desire for attention for the greater good of the final score. How many guys do you write glowingly about that don't do that? Michael Jordan said, fucking, there's a Ryan win. What are you talking about? Everyone knows Allen Iverson can get away with going fast on and off the court, and that seems really cool. Now let's see if Iverson ever learns the difference between cool and smart.
Starting point is 01:44:54 This is the constant parade. I usually don't read shit like this, but you have to understand the whole. It's a lot, man. There's a difference between cool and smart? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's what he said man. There's a difference between cool and smart. Is that what you're saying, sir? Yeah, that's what he said. You can't be smart and cool? Now, a quote, this is a kid who's a senior in high school at the school he went to.
Starting point is 01:45:15 He's a football and basketball star as well. And he says, quote, that's not how it is, man. You don't just walk away from the people that were there for you when you had nothing. If you do that, then you can't ever come back you don't have to run around with anybody but it ain't cool to run away either especially from home so he's trying to explain why now right at this point as alan's first son is born oh alan jr you bet god damn it Jesus, Alan. Write an article about that, of how that's bad. Alan is basically one anyway. Yeah, he's sort of one.
Starting point is 01:45:49 This is Alan Jr. 97-98 Sixers, 31-51. So they're a little bit better under Larry Brown. That's horrible, but not bad. It's not bad. For the Sixers. They get better every year. Larry Brown gets a five-year plan, and he executes it. So you can't just go, 18 wins, we're winning the championship every year. Larry Brown gets like a five-year plan, and he executes it.
Starting point is 01:46:05 So you can't just go 18 wins. We're winning the championship next year. That'll do it. Yeah, because last year was Larry Brown's first year when they won 22, I think, right? Or is this his first year? Yeah. No, okay. So either way, Allen plays in 80 games, starts all 80, 39.4 minutes a game, 22 points, 3.7 rebounds, 6.2 assists, and 2.2 steals a game.
Starting point is 01:46:28 He makes $3,128,640 this year. My God. Not bad. 98-99, 28-22 because it's the strike-shortened season. That's a winning record, babe. That's a winning record. That's the playoffs. They actually beat Orlando in the first round of the playoffs,
Starting point is 01:46:49 a shackless Orlando. He had gone a couple of years earlier, three to one. And then they go to the Pacers. They go to play Indiana and they get swept by Indiana, who was pretty good at that point. Allen this year, though, 48 plays in 48 games, 41 and a half minutes a game and he scores 26.8 points a game 4.9 rebounds 4.6 assists 2.3 steals a game for him this year incredible three million five hundred thirty seven thousand dollars also is that the malice in the palace here pretty incredible no that was 2006 or something oh okay all right yeah what year is this 98 okay 98 99-2000, Philly is 49-33. Would you look at that? Hey, two years in a row winning. Larry Brown's plan worked here.
Starting point is 01:47:30 So they go to the playoffs. They beat the Hornets 3-1 in the first round, then lose to the Pacers again, this time in six. Allen plays in 70 games, starts all of them, almost 41 minutes a game, 28.4 points a game. Son of a gun. 3.8 rebounds 4.7 assists 2.1 steals so he's had always over two steals a game and that's the highest highest scoring point guard in the league right he's got at this point yeah he's crushing it jesus he's crushing and there
Starting point is 01:47:59 are years he hits 30 as we'll talk about which is crazy he makes nine million bucks this year worth every dime and he's an all-star as well yeah and by the way there's like three-year period where his jersey is the number one selling jersey in the league this is with kobe this is with michael jordan well jordan's retired now but this is with a bunch of guys like that tim duncan still around all those guys iverson the fucking i've that jersey is so rad it's a so cool. It's a great jersey. It is a great jersey. Now, during the 2000 offseason, Iverson recorded a single. Oh, Alan, no you didn't.
Starting point is 01:48:32 Oh, yeah. He's not even going under Alan Iverson. He's got a rapper name. He's got a moniker. Is it the answer? Jules with a Z. Stop it. Swear to God.
Starting point is 01:48:43 His rap single's called 40 Bars. I hate it. And, yeah, well, he gets criticized for its lyrics and was eventually unable to release it because, quote, going under his moniker Jules, the album was alleged to have made derogatory remarks about homosexuals. That's from an article about it. After criticism from activist groups and NBA commissioner David Stern, he agreed to change the lyrics but ultimately never released the album. So, would you like
Starting point is 01:49:14 to hear the lyrics? I am so nervous. Of 40 Bars? I'm going to have to do a lot of censoring here because there's a lot of slurs and n-words and everything else in here. But I'll dance around it and i think we need to talk about alan iverson okay i should do it like tom brokaw yeah for the year 2g the rap game changed for one name oh boy jules aimed to slain anything on his this plane. Sam, I am.
Starting point is 01:49:46 Green eggs and ham. Remains are found when the best kept secret get heated. You went platinum with a ghost rider so in the game you won, you cheated. My slang bang when you need it.
Starting point is 01:50:09 You man enough to pull a gun be man enough to squeeze it very nice it's not bad and then there's the sound of sound of gunshots of course um this kind of needed in the 90s and every rap song gunshots and a siren to make you go where's in your car oh never mind. Am I in trouble? When you need it. Gunshots. Die if you don't believe it. Anything to do with millions, I'mma be with it. Hats off to the hardcore N-words.
Starting point is 01:50:39 Fuck the rest. In my guess, y'all useless, just talking music. Never mistake me for a fake MC. You got the wrong identity. N-word, I'm a CT fool. What does that mean? I don't know. What's a CT? I guess this is the chorus here, maybe.
Starting point is 01:51:03 No, no. Get murdered in the second. Get murdered in the second. Get murdered in a second in the first degree. Come to me with that F. Gaisler tendencies. You'll be sleeping where the maggots be. It rhymes with maggot, by the way. Yeah. You know what I'm saying ain't nothing
Starting point is 01:51:28 kind of used to beef actually but when it's on i raise when it's on i raise first automatically uh won't catch me as a victim and a rap casualty. Dynasty Raiders hit VA in the summertime. Ten Bentleys in one line. Gats in each hand. Twin 45s at mine. Okay. Snipers hitting N-word long distance for a rate. Sons and daughters, one otter you'll be floating in the water.
Starting point is 01:52:04 Okay. Bad news, home of the Dynasty Raiders. Sons and daughters, one otter you'll be floating in the water. Bad news, home, the dynasty raiders. One love to the old school N-words. They in jail trying to raise us. But, oh, I'm sorry. Even the ones that tried to blaze us, but couldn't even graze us. See them bitch ass N-words. Y'all killing don't graze us. See them bitch-ass N-words? Y'all killin' don't amaze us.
Starting point is 01:52:31 Y'all slobbin', I'm spitting with a mouth full of rage. Verse two. Oh my God. You want more? Because you're getting it. Holy fuck. Everybody stay fly, get money, kill and fuck bitches. Why would he say that?
Starting point is 01:53:01 I mean, yeah, I guess, but, you know, it's the weird way. And fuck bitches. And fuck bitches. I'm hitting anything in plain view for my riches. VA's finest filling up ditches when N-words turn to bitches. He rhymed bitches, riches, bitches again. Yeah, and ditches. Die for zero digits. I'm a giant.
Starting point is 01:53:22 Y'all midgets. zero digits. I'm a giant. Y'all midgets. I know killers that kill for a fee that'll kill your ass for free. Believe me. Yeah, don't fuck with me. I knew that was coming. How you
Starting point is 01:53:36 want to die? Fast or slowly? Fast as a roly. Slow as a roly-poly. I bought your shit. It was weak. Trashed it. Now you owe me. All the hardcore n-words know me. I ain't
Starting point is 01:53:58 knocking. I'm just gonna bust up this motherfucker. Taking anything that's rightfully mine's. Lust, AKs, rifles, and nines. Physique crew, thick designs. Look at us, we're hot.
Starting point is 01:54:17 With jewels that shine all the time. That's wonderful. Ain't nothing sweet about this rate of mystique. n words while you eat shit sleep and beat your meat die reaching for heat leave you leaking in the street oh grossords screaming, he was a good boy ever since he was born, but fuck it, he gone, life must go on. N-Words don't live that long. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:54:52 But hoes in wigs, N-Words that think they headstrong, got N-Words hollering Jules Dead Wrong on this song. This type murder don't need no hook hook just 40 fucking bars on the mouth of a crook okay is it over that's the song that's a bad song that's a bad song probably better he didn't release that but yeah thank god jesus that's that everybody that is alan iverson's rap rap song uh yeah jewels sorry with a z 2000 2001 56 and 26 here for the the sixers not too fucking bad here um during this year jesus they beat the pacers in the first round they beat the raptors in seven in the second round go to seven with the bucks in the conference finals and then get the shit stomped out of them by the lakers and five which they didn't have a fucking they had no business winning a game in that city shack and kobe versus alan iverson and
Starting point is 01:55:50 that's the whole yeah and it's just him man um now february of 2001 there's an incident in indiana uh with a lot of accusations of racism in the fans um he said that people called him quote a monkey and then another racial epithet while he was there he said um yeah he ends up getting fined five thousand dollars for yelling out other things yelling back at them he responded with quote derogatory remarks about gays that was picked up by nbc's microphones oh yeah yeah so you got in trouble for that um yeah yeah for it around a little bit there um yeah so that's not good um now derrick anderson who's on the spurs he said i believe alan it's hard to do but you have to turn the other cheek just like in the real world being on
Starting point is 01:56:36 the court um they said the pacers president said that uh security personnel reported hearing cursing back and forth but no racial slurs. But Iverson's teammates Eric Snow and Aaron McKee corroborated his story about what they heard. They, having heard and read other observations from players and coaches about Indiana fans behind the visitors' bench, it seems like this could be true actually here. Jeff Van Gundy, the Knicks coach at the time, said that the Pacers fans are the worst he's ever encountered.
Starting point is 01:57:08 He said, quote, I've never heard the N-word, but I've heard comments that are certainly racist. And we play the Celtics a lot. And we play, but we're in Boston all the time, so trust me. Especially the people right behind the visitor's bench. They really shouldn't have the right to buy tickets. They dress nice. They appear to be nice. Then they cross every bound of civility you know you're going to take some grief on the road but
Starting point is 01:57:28 that's certainly going too far um they said patrick ewing ewing was a frequent target of racial remarks in indianapolis here that poor bastard with his fucking head yeah uh anderson said quote they say it right to you all over the court spurs guards guards Terry Porter and Steve Kerr said they've never heard racist remarks there. Kerr said, but they are obnoxious. It's definitely one of the worst spots in the league for heckling. They said that another guy said they did call Christian Laettner gay slurs all the time. He's too pretty. What are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:58:01 They said that he was gay. Matt Bullard said fans were calling Christian a slur. We thought it was pretty inappropriate. One lady said, quote, I'm going to show you my tits and it won't even matter. Ma'am, I salute you. That's a good one. You didn't say any slur. If you said, like, because you're this and that, that would be bad.
Starting point is 01:58:23 But if you just said that, that's a just uh it's it's implied motherfucker yeah it's not face it could go either way they're either terrible tits or you're just not interested either way so um that's hilarious alan plays in 71 games averages isn't it won't even matter that's it won't even matter. That's amazing. Allen averages 42 minutes a game this year, which is insane. 31.1 points a game this year. Leads the league, obviously. He also has 3.8 rebounds, 4.6 assists, and 2.5 steals leading the league there also. He's an all-star, and he makes $10,130,000 this year.
Starting point is 01:59:04 My God. August of 2001, he finally mar makes $10,130,000 this year. My God. August of 2001, he finally marries his high school sweetheart, Tawana. $25 million later. Let's tie this up. Let's hook it up now. They had a reception at the Mansion on Main Street in Voorhees, New Jersey, and guests were served little iced cookies with the couple's initials T and A in them. T and A? T and A. It said T and a in them t and a t and a it said t and a a tits and ass cookie that's what i was like t and a they imprinted that on cookies t and
Starting point is 01:59:33 a bitches he was laughing he's like she didn't even realize it i love it he can't alphabetically it should go a and t but for the joke they went t and a t. T and A. I'm not mad about it. They also had a caricaturist there to draw portraits of guests and a clown to entertain the children. He threw a circus wedding? He threw a fucking circus, and they handed out candles to everybody
Starting point is 01:59:58 for some reason. I don't know why. 2001, 2002, Philly. They're 43 and 39. They lose in the first round of the playoffs to the Celtics. October 2001, a couple months after his wedding, Rashawn Langford, who was his closest friend and a member of his wedding party as well, was shot to death at Newport News that time. Iverson wore a black armband throughout the season with the letters RA on it,
Starting point is 02:00:23 and he would tap his wrist, tap the armband before he shot a free throw every time. I remember that going, what the fuck is he doing? Now I know. Next year, or that year, I'm sorry, though, he, wow, this is crazy, man. He's an all-star, plays in 60 games, averages 43.7 minutes a game. Wow. That's only 48 minutes. Yeah, leads the league 31.4 points a game this Wow. It's only 48 minutes. Yeah. Leads the league.
Starting point is 02:00:45 31.4 points a game this year. So he gets better. Leads the league again. 4.5 rebounds. 5.5 assists. He adds a whole assist to his total, too. And has 2.8 steals a game leading the league as well. That is a monster year.
Starting point is 02:01:00 $11,250,000 for that. Fuck yes. July of 2002. Okay. Here's another problem he has he's looking for tawana all right allegedly he threw his wife out of her out of their house naked all right there was a 911 call from his cousin or his friend or one of his people that said yo they're fighting again he threw her out of the mansion naked. And it's like, the guy said, it's happening again. Apparently he throws her out naked all the time. All the time.
Starting point is 02:01:30 According to this guy. I don't know if that's true or not. But she leaves. I guess this happened. So she left. So now the next day he's looking for her. When I throw you out naked, you come back when I'm not mad anymore. Is that what he's?
Starting point is 02:01:44 You sleep on a stoop. What is that about? So he goes to his cousin's house to look for his cousin's apartment to look for her. Yeah. Charles Jones is the cousin. And then Hakeem Harry. Carrie is also there. Not Harry.
Starting point is 02:02:00 Carrie. Hakeem. Carrie, who's 17. He's also there. So there's a child here. OK. Carey, Hakeem Carey, who's 17. He's also there.
Starting point is 02:02:04 So there's a child here. OK, apparently, I guess witnesses said that he with his gun threatened the occupants when they couldn't when he couldn't find his wife there. His cousin cousin wasn't there either. So anyway. All right. Here is Hakeem Carey story. The 17 year old. This is from the police report.
Starting point is 02:02:20 July 3rd, 2002. Hakeem Carey was over as his friend Charles Jones' house at 6235 Chestnut Street. During the early morning hours, Carey heard some knocking at the door. Carey looked through the peephole and saw it was Allen Iverson, the basketball player for the Philadelphia 76ers, with another male later identified as Gregory Iverson. That's his uncle. Carey opened the door a crack, and Allen Iverson said, where is Sean? Carrie said, Sean who? Allen Iverson pushed the door
Starting point is 02:02:49 open into Carrie's chest, pushing him back. Allen and Gregory Iverson then entered the apartment without permission. Allen told Carrie to sit in the front room while Allen went into the back bedroom where Charles Jones was sleeping. While in the living room, Gregory Iverson asked carrie do
Starting point is 02:03:05 you know anything about where sean and tawana is so he must think his cousin's hanging out with his wife i think is the issue here gregory also said if you do know anything and you're not telling us we'll come back for you oh boy that's a lot now while this was occurring alan iverson was in the back bedroom with charles jones and was lifting up his shirt showing a black handgun in his waistband. What the fuck, man? Allen Iverson had Jones make several phone calls. After the phone calls, Allen used his t-shirt to wipe
Starting point is 02:03:33 off Charles' cell and house phone. Allen Iverson then said, I'm either going to die or I'm going to jail and I guarantee you I'm not going to die. That's scary. Iverson then to die or I'm going to jail and I guarantee you I'm not going to die. That's scary. Iverson then told Jones to call Tawana back and tell her, I'm waving a gun in your faces and hitting you. Tell her that.
Starting point is 02:03:53 See if she listens then, right? So Tawana called back on the house phone and Alan and Tawana began arguing about where she was. Alan Iverson said, don't make me have to make an example out of these two. Oh my God. You're on the other end going, Tawana, Jesus.
Starting point is 02:04:11 Shortly after this call, Allen and Gregory left and told Jones and Carey not to use the phone. Carey thought Allen Iverson was going to shoot them. On July 10th, 2002, Detective Singleton
Starting point is 02:04:24 and Detective Michael Wisniewski showed Carey a photo array and positively identified a photo as Gregory Iverson, who was with Allen. Complaint number two is Charles Jones. This is his angle. Charles Jones was asleep in his residence when he was awakened by Allen Iverson standing over him saying,
Starting point is 02:04:39 quote, where the fuck is Sean? You better find out. Huh? What? Jones recognized Allen Iverson as a basketball player from the Philadelphia 76ers and his roommate Sean Bowman's cousin. Imagine you went to sleep and there's no NBA superstar in your house and then you're awoken by one screaming at you. Why are you? What the fuck is happening? Is this a weird dream? Like, what the fuck, man?
Starting point is 02:05:00 What the fuck is happening? Is this a weird dream? Like, what the fuck, man? So Allen Iverson told Jones to make calls to find out where his wife and cousin had gone. While this was occurring, Allen was making threats saying, you know where they're at and that something is about to happen. Something is about to go on. Allen lifted his shirt showing a black semi-automatic handgun in his waistband and said, I'm about to do something. While this was occurring, Hakeem Carey was in the living room with the mail that entered with him, and Allen Iverson locked
Starting point is 02:05:31 the apartment door and said, either I'm going to die or I'm going to jail, and I guarantee you I'm not going to die. Allen Iverson then called Tawana's cell phone and held the phone to Jones's ear and told him to tell Tawana that Allen has a gun in his hand. Tawana called back and spoke to Allen Iverson. Alan Iverson, where the fuck you at? I'm about to hurt somebody. You better tell me where the fuck you at. Do you think I'm playing? I'm going to make a fucking
Starting point is 02:05:53 example out of him. That's what he says on the phone. They don't hear the other side of the conversation. Shortly after Alan Iverson spoke to Tawana, he and the other male left. Before leaving, Iverson said, you better not answer the phone for the rest of the motherfucking night. And if she is lying and not here, I'm coming back and something is going to get the fuck up out of here.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Okay. Before leaving, then he wiped off the phones again and took two photos from the house. Now, his lawyer said, they both turned themselves in on this it's alleged assault and all this shit um his lawyer obviously he's going to plead innocent he's arrested um there's a huge horde of photographers and people yelling free ai through a bullhorn it's a whole big thing he was you know fingerprinted and all that kind of shit they took him out. So anyway, they released him on his own recognizance.
Starting point is 02:06:47 They said he's known nationally. He's known globally. So obviously there's a safety factor if you put him in a room with another prisoner. So we'd rather just have him out on the street there. So Jesus Christ, man. It's a mess. His youth coach says, quote, a lot of people think Allen Iverson has cleaned up his image. He had never changed. Does that make him a bad person? No, it's just his way. It's the urban culture. He's the most popular guy in the NBA. So why should he change? He's he's this way with both black and white kids. That's what he stands for and how he plays. Yeah, but you can't run around looking for a naked woman you kicked out of your house.
Starting point is 02:07:27 What are you talking about? Yeah, you can drive the lane on the court, but you can't drive into someone's apartment with a handgun here. With a handgun, talking about where's my wife? So he's released on $10,000 bond or something like that. The charges against him could carry a sentence of up to 50 years if he got convicted of all this type of shit but they said he's unlikely to serve any jail time even if he's convicted they're gonna end up
Starting point is 02:07:49 lowering shit so um here's another insane opinion piece very quickly another another asshole piece call me a hater make that a h-a-t-a in quotes this is an old white guy who saw a white man who saw one rap video and he's like i'm gonna write all about this actually of the rim seriously actually to be more precise a play a hater and he does it like that in quotes all right he saw white men can't jump but hater will do because i hate the players and this game that this game that is thug life that's what he says dude this this thug life persona this isn't like 99 by the way this isn't like wow you're 12 years too late sir jesus recently perpetuated by philadelphia 76ers guard alan iverson that has kids on the basketball
Starting point is 02:08:38 court wanting to emulate the all-star they want to score 31 points a game great good for them have you seen his moves sir his crossover is deadly good lord if you can do that you'll be in the nba too if not you won't michael jordan on his ass shut up he's nasty um so yeah he says i'm wanting to emulate the all-star thug life even as a shoe company banking on its appeal youths talk about iverson who turned himself into into phil into Philadelphia Police Tuesday with the same adoration a young saxophonist speaks of Charlie Parker. Yeah, the kids are all hot for Charlie Parker, you fucking idiot. Yeah, they're into saxophone history, maybe.
Starting point is 02:09:17 Saxophonist. Who are you trying to reach with this article? Not kids. In 1999, the only saxophonists I were were kenny g and bill clinton whoever was whoever was doing it in the hall of oats core fucking songs that's it so oh my god um as teflon as iverson is he's never been that smooth uh dudes on house lock one kid explains during a sunday night pickup game at north fresno's kaiser park he went down to like an urban basketball court and said what do you think of alan iverson uh dudes on
Starting point is 02:09:49 house lock he don't care ai threw a joint at the po poet with the po poet the gate uh alley gonna be in county jail still partying as the kid said quote for the uninitiated that means alan iverson under house arrest held a party while police officers waited outside his property oh my god the amounts of street adoration of the thug life for misguided youngsters i hate that their pimply faces short blonde hair and gangly movement and neither could have been older than 16 or 17 just as each does the kids that we're talking about just as each has to grow into his own body each each must grow into his own mind. It's a hungry mind, and God forbid Iverson provides the food.
Starting point is 02:10:31 God forbid. These white kids knew that a party's called throwing a joint. Oh, my God, man. Iverson allegedly threw his naked wife out of their house after a fight. I guess that's the thug life way of treating the mother of your children. And the kids laughed. By the way, they both deny that later on, that that that ever happened she even said it didn't happen she denies it too yeah but they're still together so who the fuck also there's 30 million dollars
Starting point is 02:10:52 we don't know um so yeah anyway this guy's a fucking dipshit oh worse reebok the athletic apparel giant not only stands by iverson but appears to endorse his foolishness as much as he endorses its hundred thirty dollar shoes. So he goes to court and because the investigator or investigators in this case who took the statements leaked them to the media before they were used in affidavits for an arrest warrant. The full text of the statement should be given to the defense before the preliminary hearing. So the defense ended up getting a huge leg up because they had leaked shit to the media on the prosecutor's side. So it's pretty interesting. Now, the testimony, once they get there, now Hakeem Carey says, yeah, I don't know if it
Starting point is 02:11:35 was a gun. It was a black thing he had under and it might have been a pager. I'm not sure. Might add a pager now. I don't know. That's different. And Carey said that Iverson's other accuser, Charles Jones, had pressured him into telling the police he had seen a gun because maybe he could get some money out of it that way. So he said, yeah, you know, that's he persuaded me to do so. And he said he didn't want to do it because, quote, I didn't want to be Philadelphia's most wanted. I don't want people to want to kill me, basically.
Starting point is 02:12:06 So anyway, all sorts of accusations. Bowman also testified that Jones offered to drop his accusations if Iverson paid him $100,000. So the judge drops most of the charges, 14 of the charges, including all of
Starting point is 02:12:22 the felonies. 14 charges. And the only thing that's left is a terroristic threat charge, which is a misdemeanor. It's just a threat. So, yeah, his mother said that she's thankful to God. That's what she said about it. She's happy. So he gets in a car with his sister and takes off.
Starting point is 02:12:40 And that's that. So, yeah, he's getting away. Michael Chititwood who's the lead police investigator said quote i know in my heart that the incident they said happened it happened but every day in this building witnesses go south yeah so there he is and uh alan takes off he's like yeah you fucking these are supposed to be my cousin's roommate my people i'm supposed to know i can't trust anybody now. This is ridiculous. He says, driver, let me out right here. Let me out right here.
Starting point is 02:13:09 I can't take this shit anymore. I'm going to walk. I'm going to sit for a minute, goddammit, and take in nature because this is bullshit and I'm just pissed off. No, you stay in the car. Everybody stay in the fucking car. This is Alan's bench. Leave me the fuck alone, right?
Starting point is 02:13:21 And he sits there and he's just very, and he's hearing birds chirp. And then all of a sudden, he hears something else. It's dogs barking. Yeah. He hears those dogs bark, and he looks up to see Bobby Colorado standing before him, animal trainer from Fredericksburg, Texas. And he says. How is it you come to arrive here, guy?
Starting point is 02:13:46 What the fuck are you doing? They're paying you so much fucking money. You're good, too. I watched you. You've dribbled that fucking ball back and forth. I watched you jump over a guy's fucking head and dunk it over him. That's fucking amazing. That's incredible.
Starting point is 02:13:58 I lost a lot of money on you. I lost a few bucks. I know a couple of guys who might or may or may not want your legs broken for certain bets that they may or may not have won or covered the odds on. But that's a whole other story is what I'm getting at. By the way, we could use an over on Saturday. But that's besides the point. That's besides the point, the over on Saturday. What I'm trying to tell you is you're hanging out with a bunch of jerk-offs.
Starting point is 02:14:20 I get you don't want to look like a bad guy. You put these people behind. Can't trust none of these fucking people. That the problem your wife we think she's running off with your cousin you can't trust that that's no good either you need somebody you could trust the only thing you're going to be able to trust one of these fucking dogs right here alan i got a dog for you that you're gonna love i'm telling you right now he will never drive 93 miles an hour he doesn't do any of that shit. He's nice. He's calm. I'm going to give you a dog.
Starting point is 02:14:46 But you know what? I don't know. You're kind of, it could be scary. What are you going to do with this dog? You're not going to like. You're going to go to DMX's house, are you? He's going to say, if you put him in a rap video, that's fine. I think he'd be good for that.
Starting point is 02:14:58 You know what I mean? So you do that and I'm going to get out of here. You get out of here. And poof, in a cloud of dog shit and marinara sauce, Bobby Colorado's gone and Allen Iverson comes back to the limo with a dog now and everyone's very confused. Why did that happen? He's a good boy. He's a good boy.
Starting point is 02:15:15 So Allen's reaction is, quote, I wasn't shocked by any of it because that's the way it's been with me. I can't even say since I've been in the league, it's been that way. It's been that way with me since the world has known Allen Iverson as far as high school, college, and up to this point right now. It seems I've always had a microscope on my life and everything I've been through and dealt with. Yeah, that's about right. It was just a horrible experience having people outside my house 24 hours. Helicopters flying over my house because of something I was accused of. My kids not being able to go outside and play because of the media coverage.
Starting point is 02:15:51 The media makes you and they break you. It's as simple as that. It was a bad experience for Tawana because she ain't never been one to speak to the media, deal with the media or anything like that. But when the incident happened, she was top story. It was just a bad experience overall. Yeah. People say what they want to say. It's always going to be like that. I know some people look at my life with a microscope, but some things I can't control. Some people in this world are just mean. Big meanies. He says they're just mean. That's just what it is.
Starting point is 02:16:34 That's something I have to accept. That's not something I'm new to. It's been like that. So, yeah, he said it's just he feels like they're on him all the time, goddammit. Well, the part that made this story sensational is a naked woman. Naked woman thrown out of the house and then there's gunplay when he wants her back. If it's just he throws her out and then goes to find her with a gun, it's not near as sensational as throws her out naked. Yeah, that's amazing.
Starting point is 02:17:00 That's what the 911 call said. That's the guy on the phone said on the 911 call. Tawana said, quote, I felt like the media was ridiculous. I mean, they sat outside my house, like Alan said, but you wouldn't know they were there until 11 or 12 o'clock at night shining bright lights into my house. It was just crazy. And at the same time, I felt it was, of course, just an invasion of privacy that stemmed from something that never happened. Quote, I was never thrown out of the house naked. that stemmed from something that never happened.
Starting point is 02:17:24 Quote, I was never thrown out of the house naked. She said that that's something that he's dealt with, but something I've never had to deal with, the media pressure. That was something that was just way over my head. I have much more respect for what he goes through, him or anyone who has celebrity status. It's something I never wanted to go through.
Starting point is 02:17:40 I keep to myself. What's in my house stays in my house. I don't flop my kids in front of the camera. I don't flop myself in front of the camera. If I choose to speak, that's in my house stays in my house i don't flop my kids in front of the camera i don't flop myself in front of the camera if i choose to speak that's on my time damn all right that's nice she also says um that um he doesn't someone said doesn't he take for granted everything he has and she says that's not accurate yes he plays for the 76ers but he also gives to charities he has a foundation does things for the boys and girls club He wouldn't be that person if he didn't appreciate what he has. God damn it. So, yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:10 Anyway, their relationship. He says, first of all, quote, it's not nobody's business. It's as simple as that. And Tawana said, anything that goes on between the two of us, none of their business. He says, me and my wife have been together for ten and a half years we've been in a million fights if i uh i'd be wrong if i ask you what's up with you and your girl what's up with your relationship when's the last time you and her got in a fight i i'd be a fool to say i don't get into it with tawana i never get in a fight with her ever in my life but am i there putting food a foot in her ass or anything like that no never a foot in her
Starting point is 02:18:46 ass putting a foot in her ass hell no why would you do that oh my god that's fucking amazing um so yeah he's um he also says that um he doesn't want to be he's he's scared to be in philadelphia past the games now he said i've heard police heard police officers toasting to Allen Iverson's next felony conviction. I'm hearing police officers saying I'm involved in this, that, and the third. It scares me because I don't know if there's any crooked cops out there. They can do anything. Allen Iverson can come up dead tomorrow if a crooked cop wants him dead. It's as simple as that.
Starting point is 02:19:21 I have news cameras following me everywhere, following my wife, following my kids, following my friends, just to see what type of activity is going on. It really scares me, man. Not into it. He says that also people think I live my life for Allen Iverson. I live for Tawana Iverson and them two kids. That's what I live my life for. That's all I've got. That's all I care about.
Starting point is 02:19:42 I may stumble, but I promise I won't fall. So 2002, three Sixers, 48-34. They lose in the second round of the playoffs to Detroit. Allen leads the league in minutes played again. Also starts all 82 games. Wow. Plays 42.5 minutes a game. Shit.
Starting point is 02:19:59 Not lazy at all. He's a hustler, man. 27.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 2.7 steals, again leading the league in steals. $12,375,000. And a son is born this year as well. He's got three kids? A son? Allen III.
Starting point is 02:20:17 No, I'm just kidding. It's not. Isaiah, he names him. It's not Allen III. You believed me, though, didn't you? Yeah, I can't do that. February 24, 2004, he is at the Bally's not Alan the third. You believe me though, didn't you? I can't do that. Uh, February 24th, 2004.
Starting point is 02:20:26 He is at the Bally's Atlantic city casino where he is caught urinating into a trash can in the middle of the casino. And he's kindly asked by casino management not to ever return to the facility. Please don't do that again. Yeah. Um, the next year,
Starting point is 02:20:44 uh, here, this 2003, four again, 42 and a half minutes a game. Jesus Christ. 26.4 points, 2.4 steals, 6.8 assists. Killing it. $13,500,000. My God. He also goes to the 2004 Olympic team.
Starting point is 02:21:01 He's on that team. Iverson, Stefan Marbury, Dwayne Wade, Carlos Boozer, Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Amika Okafor, Sean Murray, and Amari Stoudemire, Captain Tim Duncan,
Starting point is 02:21:11 also Iverson's a co-captain, Lamar Odom, and Richard Jefferson are the team. Jesus. Not bad. They win a bronze medal. They go five and three
Starting point is 02:21:20 in the tournament. That's right. That team won the bronze and it was a joke. Didn't do well. Allen scores 13.8 a game, which is a lot for those because they get everybody playing time. 2004-05. By the way, he's an all-star every year through here. 42.3 minutes a game this year, 2004-05.
Starting point is 02:21:37 30.7 points a game. Jesus Christ. 2.4 steals, 7.9 assists. So he scores 31 and 8, basically. 31 points and 8 assists, basically, which is silly. And four rebounds as well. $14,625,000 here. And somehow that's not enough for what he was doing.
Starting point is 02:21:56 That's a lot. He was doing so much. 30 points a game for only $14 million? And selling the jerseys like nobody's business. I mean mean his merch was flying off the shelf the amount of contributions he's made to the nba is it's it's unfathomable he made the league a lot of money and he sold tickets period he sold fucking tickets people wanted to go even if they hated alan iverson they wanted to go see him play absolutely to get stuffed or to do
Starting point is 02:22:20 well he has another son in 2005 named Messiah. He has an Isaiah and Messiah? An Isaiah and a Messiah. He's going biblical now for the next couple. That year, too, his bodyguard, Jason Cain, is accused of assaulting a man at a Washington, D.C. nightclub after the man, Marlon Godfrey, refused to leave the club's section, so Iverson's entourage could enter the section. Godfrey suffered a concussion, a ruptured eardrum, a burst blood vessel in his eye, a torn rotator cuff, cuts and bruises, and emotional distress. He was stomped, man. Iverson isn't even accused of touching the guy, but this guy sues Iverson for $260,000.
Starting point is 02:23:05 And he is going to get $260,000. And then they appeal it twice and it still gets $260,000. You have to get the shit beat out of him. December 9th, 2005, the Sixers beat the Charlotte Bobcats, and then Iverson, after the game, goes to the Taj Mahal
Starting point is 02:23:21 Casino there in Atlantic City. He wins a hand of three-card stud poker table. Wins a hand. He's overpaid by $10,000 in chips. He bets huge. They call him a whale all the time. So he gets overpaid by $10,000. The dealer quickly realizes he made a mistake and asks for the chips back.
Starting point is 02:23:41 And Iverson says no. You gave him to me. So then they get in a big argument, and other casino staff comes over, and it turns into a big thing. The casino regulations in Atlantic City reportedly state that when a casino makes a payout mistake in favor of the gambler, the gambler must return the money that they did not legitimately win. So by law, he has to.
Starting point is 02:24:03 He doesn't, so they kick him out, and he's not allowed to come back there. Okay. Yeah. So the next year, 43.1 minutes a game. Average is 33 points a game in 2005-06. Shit. Damn. 33 points a game. 3.2 rebounds. 7.4 assists.
Starting point is 02:24:20 1.9 steals. Crushing it. 16,453,125 There you go go now we're getting closer to what he deserves banking december 19 2006 he's traded by the sixers to the denver nuggets for andre miller and joe smith and a draft pick great deal great deal uh larry brown the coach of the sixers said quote i love the guy we might have had arguments but at the end of the day he tried for me and cared for me in his own way he maybe was an important as important a player as we've ever had in the game because wherever i went folks didn't know who the hell i was but they knew i was alan iverson's coach that meant a great deal
Starting point is 02:25:01 to me hell yeah all these young kids idolize him. Like me, they love his courage. So it's a tragic thing for me to know he's going through all this because he's had a wonderful life and wonderful kids and a phenomenal career. He's having some personal problems here. He says, Allen said his number one memory was being drafted and going to the Sixers. And he loves the Sixers. And they were in a bad losing streak and he was complaining and all this shit so they just traded him he said I don't think it had to end this way Alan said but this is the way it did end I thought the organization did what was best for them and the
Starting point is 02:25:34 trade was best for me I hope they got everything I hope they get everything they could get out of the trade so he's saying I like the Sixers anyway. So January 2nd, 2007 versus the Sixers. He's fined $25,000 by the NBA for criticizing referee Steve Javi following that game here. During the game, he committed two technical fouls and was ejected from the game. After the game, he said, quote, I thought I got fouled on that play. And I said I thought that he was calling the game personal. And I should have known that i couldn't say anything like that say i say anything like that it's been something personal with me and him ever since i got in the league this was just the perfect game for him to try and make me look bad um so former this crooked referee tim
Starting point is 02:26:20 donaghy supports this in his book he said that this guy, this Javi guy, had a problem with Allen Iverson and hated him and liked to call fouls on him and shit. And liked to not call fouls for him. So, yeah, that's how that works. Donaghy, in an interview with 60 Minutes, said he and fellow referees thought the punishment was light. They said before Iverson's nuggets played the Utah jazz on January 6th, Donaghy said he and two other officials working the game agreed to not give Iverson favorable calls as a way to teach him a lesson. That's fucked up, man.
Starting point is 02:26:56 He attempted 12 free throws, but on 12 drives to the basket, he drew five fouls, three of which Donaghy whistled himself, but he didn't receive a call on one play in which he obviously was fouled. So it was one of those. So, yeah, anyway, that year still does well. Twenty six point three a game.
Starting point is 02:27:13 Tons of minutes. Seventeen million one hundred eighty four thousand. Yeah. Two thousand seven eight. October's 2007. So a woman named Eileen Mellon. She's a college student driving on Interstate 64 from Newport News to Hampton. It's after midnight.
Starting point is 02:27:32 She's reaching toward her cup holder to her right where she had her cell phone there. She's pulling onto an exit ramp and she saw heavy construction cones and swerved. Her and her friend screamed and their car flipped over three times yeah so she said i turned the car off uh she said i just figured i should do that we were fine and at that moment there was someone knocking on the window asking us if we were all right he told us to roll the window down i had to turn the car back on. He pulled Ashley out. I looked up and said, oh, my God, you're Allen Iverson. He stopped and pulled these women out of the car.
Starting point is 02:28:11 Wow. Yeah. He got us out. By then, an ambulance came. They checked up and suggested we go to the hospital. Ashley went. I waited for my mom. It was all so fast, so surreal. It was enough for a friend, April of hers, who had Philadelphia roots, to write a letter to the Philadelphia Daily News.
Starting point is 02:28:28 She's an Iverson fan, and she said that she wanted people to know about Iverson's rescue effort, and there was more to him than the controversy. He didn't toss us out naked or anything. Yeah, I mean, he pulled me out. He said, take your clothes off so I can get you out of there. Iverson said he was on his way to his uncle's house, and he said, I feel good that they're appreciative. I look at it as just being a human being. They need help. People have helped me.
Starting point is 02:28:54 That's nice. He was like, I didn't think it was that big of a fucking deal. He said, I just saw a car on the left side of the road. It was all crashed up. You could see the glass and stuff in the street from the wreck. The car was smoking. I was like, we got to go see what's up with those people. Make sure it's not on fire. Get them girls out. Yeah. Both of them said they were all right. One of them had her seatbelt was still on. I
Starting point is 02:29:13 remember looking in there and asking, are you sure you're all right? Is anything broken or anything like that? One looked up and said, oh my God, are you Helen Iverson? I was like, yeah, but don't worry about that. We're trying to get you all out and make sure you're all right. Don't worry. I don't have a gun and I won't hurt you. We'll deal with that later. Hold on a minute. Yeah, it's fine.
Starting point is 02:29:32 So when they got out of the car and looked at it, that's when both of them lost it. They realized what it could have been. It's a scary sight. You can be in a car and be all right, but when you get out and look at the damage done, you're like, it could have been so much worse. He said that, yeah, have been so much worse. Yeah. Um, he said that, yeah,
Starting point is 02:29:47 he was doing great there. Um, other cars had pulled over, but when they police arrived, they said they seemed to have everything under control. And he went on to his uncle there. And, um,
Starting point is 02:29:56 it's at this point to his youngest daughter has an undisclosed illness. It's apparently a serious illness that causes him to miss games, to go for treatments and shit with her. So, um, later on, he'll have to miss games to go for treatments and shit with her. So later on he'll have to miss games during this. 2007-8 here he plays all 82 games, leads
Starting point is 02:30:11 the league in minutes played, 26.4 a game. He's fucking killing it. 19 million, 12,500 dollars. Jesus God, that's so much money. 2008, his daughter Dream is born. And at this point there's an NBA source that says that Iverson is practically living in casinos at this point. Really?
Starting point is 02:30:33 He was banned from two of the three casinos in Detroit. The MGM, probably. Probably. I assume that's the first one he got banned from. That's a piece of shit anyway, Alan. It's all right. He said, drinking in the casinos. Alan was always doing one thing or it was the other.
Starting point is 02:30:48 No one who knows him can deny it. So November 3rd, 2008, he's traded by the Nuggets to the Pistons for Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess. Wow. To the Nuggets? Wow. To the Pistons. wow. To the pistons. So, yeah, he's got to pay that. And also this is the time where he has to pay that guy that his bodyguard beat up.
Starting point is 02:31:13 $250,000 for pain and suffering and $10,000 for medical bills. Another patron sued him for $20 million, but they didn't give him Mugats. So that's how that goes. So, I mean, he didn't even get hit. He was just like, yeah, go in there and get the area ready. He didn't tell the guyots so that's how that goes so i mean he didn't even get hit he was just like yeah go in there and get the area ready he didn't tell the guy to go whoop somebody's ass he didn't know so you got to feel bad for him at that point a lot of people have come down on alan i feel kind of bad for him but not nearly as bad as i feel for alan iverson director of IT and PMO at PIPCSC in fucking Ottawa. I don't know what that is.
Starting point is 02:31:48 That is way too many letters, sir. Wow, that's a lot of letters. Allen Iverson, head custodian at Pepe's Mexican restaurant in Chicago. Let's see what else we have here. Allen Iverson, manufacturer's rep in Medford, Oregon. Allen Iverson, inventor in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. The real answer. The real answer.
Starting point is 02:32:09 Allen Iverson, materials manager at Forrecia Automotive in Illinois, and finally, and this is the one you wouldn't want him to be, senior financial analyst at T. Rowe Price in Hawaii. What do you say we put all your money in blackjack? Yeah, I'm going to do that. That's cool. So that year, he only averages 17.5 points a game. He's still an all-star, though.
Starting point is 02:32:32 He's been an all-star every year since 99-2000. Makes $20,840,625 that year. Jesus Christ. September 10, 2009, signs as a free agent with the Memphis Grizzlies. And he said, quote, God chose Memphis as the place I will continue my career. I feel they're committed to developing a winner. Yeah. So.
Starting point is 02:32:56 They put him on the bench here. And he leaves the team for personal reasons at one point for a while. And then after only three games played on November 17, 2009, he's waived by the Grizzlies. Ouch. It's said to be a mutual agreement to terminate his contract there. So he is signed December 2nd as a free agent with the Philadelphia 76ers. He comes home, accepts a contract.
Starting point is 02:33:25 March 2nd, 2010, he's released by the Sixers. Yeah, it's over. The same day he's released by the Sixers, Tawana Iverson files for divorce, seeking custody of their children as well as child support and alimony. You're not going to make $30 million anymore? I'm out. I'm out.
Starting point is 02:33:40 The day they fucking get rid of him. They said they've been living in a state of separation. She's requesting sole custody and all that kind of shit. So, wow. He says on Twitter, the last couple weeks have been very difficult for me and my family. I needed to be there to hold my little girl's hand and encourage her to get better. I wanted her to wake up every morning and see her daddy's face at least until she got better. She's still sick, for God's sake.
Starting point is 02:34:06 Yeah. Attorneys, also they're going for equitable division of their property. But, less than two weeks later, his wife takes it back. She comes back. Never mind. So, yeah. That's his career. By the way, that year he makes
Starting point is 02:34:21 $1,029,794 from the Grizzlies94 from the Sixers and $161,386 from the Grizzlies. Career earnings, $154,494,445. Oh, my God. A shitload. Plus Reebok. Plus Reebok, yeah. He plays in Turkey.
Starting point is 02:34:45 It's a two-year, $4 million yeah he plays in Turkey it's a two year four million dollar contract to play in Turkey he plays in three games and then comes back here to have calf surgery so whatever
Starting point is 02:34:53 April of 2011 he is he yells at a cop for 20 minutes who pulled him over in Atlanta what? he's driving his Lamborghini
Starting point is 02:35:03 and the cop pulls him over for bad tags on the Lamborghini or expired plates or whatever the fuck it was. It ended up being impounded. Wow. And he was yelling, quote, take the vehicle.
Starting point is 02:35:14 I have 10 more. Police don't have anything else to fucking do except fuck with me. Don't you know who I am? I make more money than you will in 10 years, blah, blah, blah. And then afterwards he came back
Starting point is 02:35:27 to find the officers and apologized for disrespecting them he felt bad he said i apologize you broke motherfuckers broke ass motherfuckers you got to touch a lamborghini you feel better now june 2011 his wife refiles for divorce saying irretrievably broken. She does say here she never caught him with another woman during their marriage at all. She said people simply grow apart sometimes. She said cheating in the marriage has never been an issue. Never. I didn't care at all. Didn't.
Starting point is 02:35:57 Well, we'll find out here. He gets sued in 2011 for two and a half million dollars in damages, saying that his guards, his security guards assaulted him in a 2009 detroit bar fight the judge dismisses it though saying there's no evidence that anybody struck this guy okay october 2011 still wants to play in the nba quote i'll play for anybody um november 2011 oh that's the dropped lawsuit never mind um so yeah he gets the dropped lawsuit it was at the beach pizza and uh beach pizza bar south beach pizza bar in detroit was where the fight took place apparently um december 2011 what his wife complains to the court and now that she wants a divorce again she said that since she filed for divorce again, he's been on a massive spending spree, leaving her completely penniless.
Starting point is 02:36:51 She says claiming ever since she claimed filed for divorce, he stopped depositing money in their joint bank account, then made several large cash withdrawals, including one for $20,000, which he spent on diamond jewelry. including one for $20,000, which he spent on diamond jewelry. Hell yeah. She claims the account was $23,000 in the red at the time she filed for the court docs and says she's been unable to pay the bills or provide for her five kids. She said she gave up her career to be a stay-at-home mom. She wasn't going to make $154 million probably. She said Alan's worth more than $20 million and refuses to help her out simply out of spite. Allen denies the allegations, and so there's a stalemate here.
Starting point is 02:37:31 January 2012, Allen's bank account is frozen by a Georgia judge. Not for that, though. It's so he can repay a six-figure debt to a Georgia jeweler. to a Georgia jeweler. He is sued back in 2010 for stiffing Aiden & Company jewelers on a $375,000 bill. Jesus. He never responded,
Starting point is 02:37:54 so the default judgment was issued in favor of the jewelry store, allowing them to collect $859,896.46 for the jewelry court costs, interest, and attorney fees. Almost a million dollars for $300,000 worth of jewelry. You should have just paid it. But he still didn't pay. So, yeah, now he's in trouble here.
Starting point is 02:38:16 So now he might be up for a $4 million judgment against him based on this. Oh, shit. That jewelry went up in value, man. It sure did. That appreciated like crazy holy shit man so um it's at this point later march 2012 um now his wife tawana says remember she said it has nothing to do with another woman yeah now she says she wants the name quote give the name and telephone number of every person other than your spouse whom you've had a sexual relations and or intimate physical contact from the date of your marriage to the date of the trial.
Starting point is 02:38:50 Now she wants that. Such sexual relations and or intimate physical contact include, without limitation, sexual intercourse and or touching or being touched in a manner for sexual arousal. Yeah. This is fucking. You want stri this is fucking this is fucking amazing um and uh they said towana iverson says she they think she's going for this route to push for a settlement but a lawyer who specializes in family law says she has to be careful because of the way george's divorce laws are structured she said quote if alan iverson had 150 women and tawana iverson knew about it but she forgave him and then they went to counseling the legal term for this
Starting point is 02:39:31 is condemnation so you're condoning it she can't go to court later and complain about the 150 women because she's condoned the behavior that's the way the law works there so his response is that his response is this is ridiculous because none of this should count because now it's a fresh start all that other shit should be in the past because they've resumed their marital relationship cohabitating having sexual relations and holding themselves out as husband and wife so he's saying we're fine and she's like no we're not so it's saying we're fine, and she's like, no, we're not, so it's what they've been fucking, apparently. You did get over it. April of 2012,
Starting point is 02:40:08 she now says she's frightened of him, claiming that he's been harassing her and her family and wants a restraining order. She said he's engaged in increasingly contemptuous, threatening, and disturbing behavior over the last few months, and she's afraid things will get worse. He says it's bullshit.
Starting point is 02:40:23 He's never harassed her and her family, and she shouldn't get a restraining order against him. May 2012, Alan wants his wife locked up. Wants her arrested now. Says she ransacked his house while he was out of the country. Says that he went to Asia earlier in the month. When he returned home, his house was totally gutted. He went to Asia earlier in the month. When he returned home, his house was totally gutted.
Starting point is 02:40:50 His wife infiltrated his home while he was gone, pillaging furniture, art, memorabilia, and a large sum of cash. Oh, boy. He said he's asked Tawana several times to return the stuff, but so far she's refused. So that's how this is going. Yeah. So then they're in court. The next time he's standing in court and he says he pulls out his pants pockets literally and says, quote, I don't even have money for a cheeseburger. Oh, to which Tawana then reaches over and hands him $61 out of her pocket. There you go, Alan.
Starting point is 02:41:20 Here, get the biggest one you can find oh it's at this point his oldest daughter tiara asked to live with alan according to her testimony she said she was concerned about how few people his father her father interacts with and she wants to be around him what a sweet kid um yeah toana also says here that alcohol is the main problem it's intensified his flaws leading him to skip milestone events and stagger through others. She said that he hadn't been present for Tiara's birth in 94. And three years later, when Alan Jr. was born, they would call him Deuce. That's what they call him.
Starting point is 02:41:57 Iverson was very intoxicated and unable to drive her to the hospital. Wow. She also said he supported family members and rarely said no to a request for money and all that kind of shit. Iverson, she said, kept living as if he had his next contract coming up. According to a bank statement here, that was the other one that he spent the jewelry on here. She said before their home in Denver was foreclosed, she testified she sold jewelry at a pawn shop to pay toward more debt. Yeah. When he met with investigators to discuss, uh, discuss his five children,
Starting point is 02:42:28 he smelled remarkably of alcohol according to the investigators testimony. Um, yeah. Uh, months later during a scheduled evaluation, he arrived with alcohol on his breath again. It's a mess. Um,
Starting point is 02:42:40 $150 million, $154 million, December, 2012. He's about to lose his house in Atlanta. He purchased it for four and a half million in 2010. But according to records, he's defaulted on his mortgage and the bank is foreclosed. And now they are going to sell it and all the shit that's inside.
Starting point is 02:42:58 Oh, no. So, yeah, he still has a chance to save it if he can get the money. But, yeah, apparently he's defaulted on a one point.2 million mortgage he owes, so he's got to pay that. He claims that his wife signed for the mortgage in order to screw him by agreeing to financial terms he couldn't meet. So, yeah, anyway, the lawsuit got put on hold for the foreclosure proceedings because of the divorce. Because none of that shit could be processed. So that's good for him. About a month later, he files documents saying that the battle with his ex, he says that he brings in $62,500 in monthly income.
Starting point is 02:43:36 But his expenses are $358,376.66 per month. $360,000 a month in expenses. Are you fucking kidding me? That's wild. That's like what the Neverland Ranch costs to run for Michael Jackson. What bills is that? Well, $125,749.33 is spent paying off various creditors and mortgages, jewelry, people, all that sort of thing. But he blows a lot on other shit, too.
Starting point is 02:44:13 $10,000 a month on clothes, $10,000 a month on groceries slash household items, $1,000 a month on dry cleaning, $5,000 a month on entertainment, $5, 000 a month on restaurants and so on well don't do that that is he's negative 295 876 dollars and 66 cents a month that is but i gotta be at the restaurant man that is crazy that is fucking bonkers man january 2013 the nba d league offers him to play in the Texas Legends of that league. It's a Dallas Mavericks minor league team. And he says, no, thank you. 50 grand, no. No, thanks.
Starting point is 02:44:53 So back to the divorce here. Now he wants the judge taken off the case. He says the current judge unethically does legal favors for campaign contributors. And he's afraid that this judge will screw him over just like he screwed over Usher. Usher's estranged wife apparently. So yeah, I guess the lawyer who repped the singer and the child custody showdown with
Starting point is 02:45:17 somebody else is also repping Iverson's ex. So you're saying you're going to let this guy run all over me just like you did with Usher's ex. So whatever. Okay. 2013, he and Tawana legally divorce. Okay. The settlement is for a cool $3 million.
Starting point is 02:45:32 That's the settlement to her. Okay. You get $3 million. The judge in the divorce. Wow. In the divorce decree says this quote, Iverson does not know how to manage the children has little interest in learning to manage the children and actually at times has been a hindrance to the to their spiritual and emotional growth and development this is the judge this isn't the
Starting point is 02:45:57 the lawsuit from his wife okay for example he's refused to attend an obvious and serious uh tend to an obvious and serious alcohol problem which has caused him to do inappropriate things in the presence of his children while impaired. He's left the children alone without supervision. He's left his young daughters in a hotel room with men who are unknown to the mother. The judge has awarded Tawana legal and physical custody of the kids. Alan has some visitation rights, but only if he abides by certain conditions among them, he must not drink a drop of alcohol for the next 18 months.
Starting point is 02:46:33 And until all of his kids become 18 or older, he can't consume alcohol within 24 hours of the times he has the kids. He's also been ordered to see a shrink and attend, uh, AA meetings for a year. Good. But he did get to keep, I guess,
Starting point is 02:46:52 I guess he's going to, for now, he's still in the Georgia house, and he gets to keep his Maybach as well, his car. Thank God. It's all paid off. He's supposed to pay $8,000 a month for each kid, $40,000 a month in child support. Holy shit child support next up it comes out that they think alan iverson has abducted his children yep his ex-wife says um begging the court to tell him to give them back she filed legal documents
Starting point is 02:47:19 claiming he recently asked for permission to take the five kids on a short vacation to charlotte and um he never came back with them on the 26 kids on a short vacation to charlotte and um he never came back with them on the 26th when they were supposed to come back she said she tried to set up an exchange on june 4th in a neutral location by a target store but he never showed up so um yeah yeah she claims she's especially concerned because he's an alcoholic who drinks around the kids so he returns the kids uh he insists he was never holding them hostage jesus christ he said that's bullshit yeah he said um he just said i had the kids i was hanging out with my kids shit it was summer i don't know fucking chilling so uh either way he
Starting point is 02:47:56 wanted more private time he said that he and tawana have worked it out so he can spend more private time next up she wants a lump sum he hasn't paid his child support so she said okay rather than go to court every month for this how about you pay the next 13 years worth all the kids from now all until they're all done 1.2 million dollars just pay it now oh okay lump sum it right you're done so yeah that seems reasonable, I guess. So, yeah. Anyway, so he said no. He doesn't have that all at once, and he can't pay that.
Starting point is 02:48:34 So she said she also wants Reebok money that he gets. He can't be trusted with the nearly half million dollars he's about to earn from Reebok, she said. He's getting a check. So she's asking the judge to make sure the money stays away from him. She said that he's scheduled to earn $450,000. And she says that if the company hands it to Iverson, she won't get any of it. So she wants her money first, basically. Can they hold it like an escrow?
Starting point is 02:48:55 Okay. So they're officially divorced. Everything's done. Kids are gone. They're with her. Everybody's fought. They've broken up all these assets, done all of this. They're back together immediately. Oh my God.
Starting point is 02:49:07 After the official divorce, he says, she'll always be my favorite person in the world. She said, we've known each other since we were 16 years old and we have five kids together. So we have to do what's best for our kids. So they're going to be back together and all that kind of shit. February 2013, his house is
Starting point is 02:49:26 sold um it gets auctioned off now he can't help it um the bank purchased it for two and a half million dollars he also owes his attorneys about 60 grand in legal fees jesus christ alan 61,098 dollars and 86 cents to be exact and And he hasn't done that at all. Hasn't been paying them for shit. But November 2013, the Sixers officially retire his number three in a halftime ceremony on March 1st, 2014. So 2015, is he broke? No. There's no way he's broke.
Starting point is 02:50:00 2015. Is he broke? No. There's no way he's broke. They said they got him on CBS this morning to talk about his Showtime documentary that was coming out about him. And he says, they said, are you broke? And he said, that's a myth. That's a rumor. The fact that I'm struggling in any part of my life.
Starting point is 02:50:18 Doing great. That I struggle at all? That I struggle at all. I'm'm doing perfectly don't you know shit i'm doing so well 2016 he is inducted into the basketball hall of fame as deserved yeah in his class uh him shack yaoming wow which that would have been a hilarious picture with him in the middle of those two that's funny 2017 the 2017, the Big Three League is announced, and Iverson is set to be a player and a coach on Three's Company, is the name of the team.
Starting point is 02:50:52 His co-captain would be DeMar Johnson, and Reuben Patterson is going to be on that team. Jesus Christ, wow. He played in one game, scored two points on one of six shooting in nine minutes of play, and he said, I signed up to be a coach, player, and captain. Coach part is going to go on throughout the game. Playing part is not going to be what you would expect.
Starting point is 02:51:11 You're not going to see Allen Iverson of old out there. Well, yeah, because you're fucking 42 now. Yeah. launches, announces a partnership with Al Harrington, the former player, through which a line of cannabis products will be launched named the Iverson Collection. Well, let's see it.
Starting point is 02:51:31 Let's see it, Chief. I want some. Allerson, again, Allerson. Allen Iverson will also aid in the development of various business initiatives for the company that Harrington founded, Viola Brands. The pair will also collaborate on educational efforts to reduce stigma around cannabis use. There we go.
Starting point is 02:51:50 By the way, if you're worried about Alan financially, don't be that worried. In 2030, he got his 55th birthday. He is set to get a lump sum from Reebok that was part of his deal to be a deferred trust. This is in 2000. This is like 98 this happened. So back then you'd think, oh, that'll never happen. He's almost there now. He is going to get a $32 million check that day.
Starting point is 02:52:12 Allen is going to be fine if he can make it. He's got that. If he can make it to that, he's got $32 million coming to him. Can't get enough of Allen Iverson. Well, turn on a TV and you will see him on a Car Shield commercial, which is hilarious. The funny thing is they're talking about like on the commercial, it's to scare old people is what it is. It's Ice-T going, when your car breaks down, you need to get Car Shield. It could cost you $5,000 for a new transmission or a Car Shield, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 02:52:44 Ice-T's been on a network show for 20 years. He buys a new car every year, and if it breaks, he tells somebody, yo, take that shit in and get that shit fixed, will you? He doesn't think about it, know about it. And then they bring in Ice-T and Ric Flair pops up out of nowhere. They're in a barbershop, and it's like a black barbershop. Then Ric Flair pops up out of nowhere in the chair talking about Car Shield. And then Allen Iverson walks in.
Starting point is 02:53:10 He's like, yeah, man, Car Shield, baby. And like, I don't know about Ice-T, but Allen Iverson and Ric Flair are known as maybe the two most irresponsible financially men in sports. So to put them on a thing and go, this is the right financially responsible thing to do. The best thing you can do with your money. But they are smart in the fact that they said, who do people fucking love? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:53:35 Who do people, if they see that guy, they go, Oh, that guy, Rick flair, Allen Iverson bang. So they were smart in that one. So you can see him on car shield commercials,
Starting point is 02:53:43 walking into a barbershop going, I got that car shield, baby. Whatever the fuck he says. So there you go. That's Allen Iverson, everybody. We'll get to the show note in one second. If you like the show, I don't care. You don't have to review it or do any of that bullshit if you don't want to. Just shut up and give me murder.com.
Starting point is 02:54:00 October 27th is the virtual live show for Small Town Murder. It'll be available a week after that as well. Do whatever you want for it. is the virtual live show for Small Town Murder. It'll be available a week after that as well. Do whatever you want for it. Just like a live show. We can't wait to do it. It's going to be a lot of fun. Now, show note. Here it is, everybody. Show's over soon. Sorry about it.
Starting point is 02:54:18 To let you kind of break it down simply, I don't know how else to say it, but we're going to be ending this show pretty soon here. Not just the one we're listening to now, but the whole Crime and Sports show series is going to be over here pretty soon. We never thought we'd get 300-something episodes out of it, to be
Starting point is 02:54:34 honest. We said if we do this for three years, that'd be amazing. We could get three years out of it. So the fact that we got, what, like almost seven out of it. We're going to probably, looks like we're probably going to go, The last show is probably going to be the day after Christmas, I believe, or it might be the day after
Starting point is 02:54:50 New Year's. One of the two. We'll figure it out. Sometime in the next couple of months. Sometime in there. In the new year, we won't be doing crime and sports anymore. It will be over. We're going to start something new. We're still going to do small-town murder. We're going to do that forever because it's successful, unlike crime and sports.
Starting point is 02:55:07 So, yeah, it's just we feel like it's time that we're running out of athletes that are really going to be interesting stories. Like as far as to fill two and a half hours with. We don't want to stretch it and make it just shitty. We're going to go out with a bang. We're going to do everybody that we know that's really fucking crazy stories and just go out with a bang. We still got Lawrence Taylor on deck and guys like that. So Hector Macho Camacho. Don't worry.
Starting point is 02:55:31 Gaza is still out there. We know the ones you've been asking for. And now this is the time. You want to flood us with shit, with people you want to see for the last three months of the show because that's all it's going to be. And, yeah, thank you for hanging with us for this whole time. This is our baby. Yeah. This is our baby.
Starting point is 02:55:47 And we loved it. We love it the most. And you gave a shit about our little angel. You did. And you got us. This was the springboard to get us to do things that we could actually make a living on. And thank you so much for supporting this show for almost seven years and for being there for us, for telling people about it almost seven years and for being there for us for telling people
Starting point is 02:56:06 about it for there's a there's a core out there of you crime and sports sportsers that are just so fucking hardcore you're awesome and we thank you so much you're you're you're really you're our teammates yeah man you're the you're the the pit of it all you're holding it together in the middle with uh concentrated energy and we appreciate the fuck out of that some people have been different and um audiences have gotten a little different sometimes with uh we get a lot of weird crime and sports used to be like we got support no matter what and now we get weird hate mail no matter what we fucking say like weird angry like angry fucking people like i heard you say this one thing yeah that we didn't even mean what they thought we said but they thought it was like a dog whistle for something so they got mad at us and it was like whoa like i don't know what happened more
Starting point is 02:56:57 about you than it is us and you guys exactly so between all of that and everything it's just run its course and um honestly it's it's its course. And honestly, it's time. So it's time. There's only so many criminal athletes that have great stories that we could really tell. We are going to continue doing the ones on Patreon. Sure. So there's a bunch of shorter ones that are great stories, but they don't fill two and a half hours. And we'll just keep going with that.
Starting point is 02:57:24 Keep our Patreon going the same way. Small Town Murder, Crime and Sports, and we'll keep that up. But thank you for everything, honestly. We'll do that. And we'll make kind of a more formal announcement at the top of the show. Don't worry, the new show coming is going to be good. It'll be great.
Starting point is 02:57:36 It's going to be fucking great. It's really funny, so don't worry about that. We're going to have lots of comedy on it. It's going to be lots of fun, and do it. It won't be sports-related, because here's our mistake, okay? This is what we thought in the beginning where we stepped in it here's where we went wrong we thought hey anybody that likes sports yeah true crime or comedy will like this show all three things will come together turns out you have to like all three of those
Starting point is 02:57:59 things and want them at the same time and there's a lot less people that want that than we anticipate do you like sports sure do do you like sports with criminal athletes not really all right that guy's out what about comedy i don't like joking in my sports okay well never mind that so uh things but i hate jokes you don't want them together some people so that's all right though that's life i mean it's you put it out there if you make a recipe and some people like it some people don't yeah and that's that what the fuck you're gonna do um they liked it enough for six and a half years we thought we were broadening the audience turns out it was really fine point in that really fine point yeah so uh yeah we're gonna keep that going we do appreciate everything
Starting point is 02:58:37 you've always done for us over the years thank you so much and uh if you do want to join patreon easy patreon.com slash crime and Sports is where you do that. This week, one of our crime and sports favorites, personal ads are coming this week where we dig through old newspapers and find really funny fucking ads of people trying to hook up and find love in 1991 or so and 87 and fucking 96 and all that kind of shit. And then for small town murder, we have insane shit there as well. We're going to talk about small town festivals, weird county fairs, strange shit that's going on in small towns that you sure as fuck don't know about. We'll talk about it all. It's going to be really crazy. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports.
Starting point is 02:59:17 And you'll get a shout out here in just a moment, as a matter of fact. But you'll get it on the next one. Either way, follow us on social media or at Crime and Sports on Twitter and Facebook, at Small Town Murder on Instagram. That's how you can tell us the shows you want to hear for the last ones, and not Gaza or LT, because they're coming. Don't worry about those other ones.
Starting point is 02:59:36 So do that, and with that said, Jimmy, I think it's time. Hey, why don't you go ahead and hit me with the list of the most wonderful fucking people on the face of this earth. This week's executive are jb and yeti shetty maryland brand fast is your brand new 71 year old grandmother james you better get in touch with her very soon call her she's gonna call her on sundays get all get all the rest of her uh grandma hood left oh shit that sounded weird all right she makes sauce I imagine she does. Scott Gaiman, Hope Sherry, The Last Valkyrie.
Starting point is 03:00:08 Valkyrie? What's a Valkyrie? That's a fucking soldier, isn't it? I don't know. I don't know what that is. But the last one likes us. Lindsay Plemons or Plemons, Quinn Ailes, Gavin Herr, Gaza's driver who hated Ricky.
Starting point is 03:00:22 Who's that, James? I don't know who that is. What was that? Gaza's driver who hated Ricky. Who's that, James? I don't know who that is. What was that? Gaza's driver who hated Ricky. I don't know who that is. Oh, that's a sports Gaza. We haven't done the episode yet. Is it that or is it?
Starting point is 03:00:32 Beats me. The Gaza Strip? Maybe so. Do they have a driver? I don't know. The fashion plate of wrestling and Corporal Carl Kirshner. Classy Freddie Blassie. I forget what Carl wrote to me.
Starting point is 03:00:45 And I fuck it. God damn. Sorry, Carl. He's a terrific man. He is. He is. I don't know. He is wonderful.
Starting point is 03:00:52 Povilis Basavius is really into Jessica Angela Cole Povilis or Povilis Basavius. You got to get an easier name, my friend. Wow. That one's all fucked out. Tough one. Liz Vasquez, Michelle Centeno-Kennels in Ontario, Canada, Mark E. Shaw,
Starting point is 03:01:10 that's Bigfoot it is, that's the guy from the Howard Stern Show, I know who that is. Peyton Meadows, Happy Hour in Orleans, Vermont, Alyssa and Sean in Wisco, I think that's Wisconsin, Janice Hill, Jessica Chastang, Tyler Jacot, Jaco, Hunter with no last name, Teresa Strangini,
Starting point is 03:01:26 Kate Wilson, Megan Foley, Dylan Vinson, Mackenzie Lem, Allison Louise Harrington, Diana Phillips, Joanna Troisi, I think, Troisi, it's Italian, I don't know, Patrick Douglas Kelly, Robert Gamble, Rebecca Davidson, Mandy Tepe, Anne Alderman, Cameron Owens, Jenny with no last name, Emma Collins, Josh Grover, Heather Rush, Anthony Scheffelman, Kai, I think that's Kai. I think that's who it is. Alta Hope, Jackson Finn, Kristen Weir, Kim Miller, Aidan Gahan. Gahan? Gahan. Lauren, oh boy, Lorraine, Louise, Lauren Cook, Erica Chera, Ashley Lomploff, Flicka the Horse, Jess Joyce, Joyce Woods, Kathleen with no last name, Alicia Flint. David Arundondo. Just Shannon. Emily Whittington. Dale Roberts.
Starting point is 03:02:29 Daniel Lopez. Christina Mwison. Ricardo with no last name. Bailey Huff. Natalie Connolly. Corin Kruger. Jesse Floyd. Melissa McDevitt.
Starting point is 03:02:38 Kathy Schwar. Julie Stern. Stem. Oh, is that Stern? I think it's Stem. Stem to Stern, baby. That's what it is. Cole Stewart. Harvey Phillips. to Stern, baby. I think that's what it is. Cole Stewart, Harvey Phillip, 2 Walter, Wellman Williams.
Starting point is 03:02:49 I don't know what that means. Nolan with no last name. Alexa Fagan, Tina Hensley, Sarah Morgan, Rich Lucas, Valkyrie. Another Valkyrie? Another one. There's two of them, so you're not the last. Melon Cone, I think. B.B. Gunn, Elizabeth Digirolamo.
Starting point is 03:03:10 That's a fucking, D.G.R.Lamo, forget it, Brittany Almazon, Tara Seek, Cyborg Sarah, Nakul with no last name, Thomas Lawson, Caroline Wu-Kohatsu, Mandy Hughes, Tanya Henkel, Sean Gilbert, Savvy Lambro, Amy Cooper, Sheridan Hollow, Brendan Wyant, Natalie Love, Rachel Anderson, Zane Ellis, Antoinette Jackson, Melissa Knoff, Lulu Edmondson, Katie Morrison, Bonnie Shea, Yvonne Liu, Christina Barone, Oates Brownpaw, Claudia Watson, Laura Smith, Sue Haynes, McKinley Heath, Jamie Williams, Jen with no last name, Daniel Reynolds, Gia with no last name, Gary Smith, Andrew Robertson, Joy Macharski, Jesse Thompson, Jason Michalchik. Oh, Jesus. Michalchinek, Ali Hunter, Kathy Morris, Stacy Pitti, Mark Madison, Andrea Kendrick, Justine Kennedy, Julian Logan, Courtney Smith, Joel Micah Harris, Joel John, Paul Comas, Michelle Ballhorn. Ballhorn, gross. Sorry, Michelle. That's terrible. Bobby Ballhorn. Ballhorn. Gross. Sorry, Michelle.
Starting point is 03:04:27 That's terrible. Bobby. Gross. Bobby Helton. Carly Hudson. Karen with no last name. Emily Voss. Zach Vandermalley.
Starting point is 03:04:38 Tracy Forziati. Lauren Fisher. Bailey Baker. J.W. Ashman. Bree with no last name. Rob Pierce. Richard Reyes. Gregory Papika, Shannon Trott, Aaron F. Sassy Pants, Paul Hoke, Morgan with no last name, Will Van Atta, Kevin Kuhlman, Josh, nope, that's Scott Huff, Justin Lehman, Lindeman, Lindy, Lindy, Justin Lindy. Chance Frenette. Trevor with no last name. Jonah Hyder. Cassie Mewborn.
Starting point is 03:05:09 Is that Mewborn? That's Mewborn. Shelby Mertens. Gary Bacon. What? That's great. Kentrell Brinkley. Lori Howell.
Starting point is 03:05:18 Caitlin Easton. Eastland. Michelle Kendrick. Sonnet Ireland. Matt Turley. Teresa Weichman. Weichman. Samantha Shaw. Alec Haik, Frost, Randy Heinrich, Sonora Berman, Aaron Tucker, Mr. Lanzas, Zach Grooms, I hope not, Everett Ogden, Cara Neiman, Katrina Corkin, Katrina Corkin. Oh, that's Katrina, I think we know. Angela Cotton, Lynn Moynihan, Jared Bramlett, Elia, Charna, Ethan Cooper, Everett Chase, Case, Carly Manning, Sarah Miller, Ethan Marest, Shanna Shaw, Thor with no last name,
Starting point is 03:06:07 Marest, Shauna, Shaw, Thor with no last name, David Mitrofenanat, Tanya Steele, Amy Smut, Nora Christensen, Jason Trottier, Julie Geiger, Ashley Lacey, Kelly McKenna, Jeremy Rubin, Michael Bartley, Blake Starker, Richard Brian Cavell Jr., Isaiah Smith, Ralph Moll, Mike Killen, Justin Harrington, Greg Gailey, Brian Greeley, Christopher Lespren, Ethan Henning, Justin Agnew, Connor Curry, Dina Strong, Colleen Schickel, Katrina Lane, Mike, nope, that's Kyle March, Rebecca Tipton, Stephanie Garvin, Katrina Cherie, Heather Cardy, Christopher Keim, Jacqueline with no last name, Heather Rossi, Don Savage, Gina M., Cameron Jacobson, Jesse McWilliams, Mary Ailes, Michelle with no last name, Jenny Outlaw, Megan Moore, Will Barnes, Dan Lee, Lauren Vasquez, Kaylee Strand, Carrick with no last name. Jenny Outlaw. Megan Moore. Will Barnes. Dan Lee. Lauren Vasquez. Kaylee Strand. Carrick.
Starting point is 03:07:08 With no last name. Kane Stokes. Jeffrey Moulton. Mike Cutie. Teresa Garcia. Jeff Smotzer. Karen Reagan. Luke Koff.
Starting point is 03:07:20 Brian Jones. Matthew Lewis. Thomas Wolpert. Melody McDonald. Deidre Barnes. Corey Shepard, Tristan Santer, Cameron with no last name, Teresa Mongold, John Buckley, Alyssa with no last name, Luke McGowan, Don Buchanan, Alan Monk, Zach Potts, Nicole Smith, Dustin with no last name, Chris Johanson, Mandy Murakami, Thomas Torres, Kyler Lundberg, Lindsay Larimore, Megan Amburn, Katie S. Garrett with no last name,
Starting point is 03:07:50 Jillian George, Joshua Hughes, Jay Hula, Elizabeth Lessard, probably a common-dense daughter, Lacey with no last name, Jack Jenkins, Ben Reiser, Elizabeth Plocher, Amanda Inskeep-Shelton, Kat with no last name, Jennifer Binkley, Danny Lariatta, Laurie Dodson-Parsons, Courtney with no last name, Sean Ryder, Alicia Gakin, Jessica Newman, Tracy Brands, Teresa Adams, Owen Den, Priya Fall, Kyle Vickers. Hey, Kyle! Lynn Unique. Kathy Ryan, Abby Finney, Sally Johnson, Amy Kessler, Shane Barnett, and all of our patrons. You guys are amazing. Thank you, everybody, so much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hope you're loving Patreon. Incredible. We enjoy making it.
Starting point is 03:08:41 Thank you. Thanks for everything. If you want to follow us on social media, very easy to do that. Head over to ShutUpAndGivegivememurder.com. The links are right there. You can follow both of us or just look up Crime and Sports Podcast Host. We're the only two assholes for at least the next few months anyway until someone else steals it and tries to fucking run with it. And we go, good luck, motherfuckers.
Starting point is 03:08:59 Have fun. Enjoy. Enjoy being frustrated. It's not easy. It ain't easy. So there you go everybody thank you so much for joining us honestly thank you for everything and uh live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music.
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