Crime in Sports - #335 - Crack, Sacks & Sex - The Infamousness of Lawrence Taylor

Episode Date: December 27, 2022

This week, we finally look at one of the most requested athletes we've ever had. He is as legendary an NFL player as there is, changing the entire way the game is coached & played. He even headlined Wrestlemania. He also LOVED cocaine, crack, and prostitutes. Obviously, this leads to nothing but trouble with wives, the NFL, and most of all, police. The l;ast 40 years of his life have been nothing but glory, or drama. No middle ground, here. A simply wild & crazy life!Change the way a game is played, be the most feared player in the league, get arrested for everything from crack to being with an underage prostitute with Lawrence Taylor!!Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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But do that. Get in there. We cannot wait. And let's get right to it since we have a lot of episode. Obviously, we have somebody who's been famous for about 40 years now, so it's a lot. Let's get into it with Lawrence Taylor, baby. Hey. Holy shit.

LT, of course. Lawrence Julius Taylor is his full name. Known as LT, and I will say this right off the bat, this is LT. Yeah. Not LaDainian Tomlinson, not anybody else. There's only one. If your initials are LT, don't call yourself LT if you play football.

If your initials are M and J and you play basketball, you're not MJ. You're just not. Sorry about it. Even Magic Johnson wasn't MJ. You know what I'm saying? And he was MJ before MJ, but he still wasn't because there's only one. Sorry. Sorry about that. Lawrence Taylor,

and if you're not a football fan at all, outside of the U.S. or something like that, he's been in a ton of movies, too. He's like any given Sunday. He's the guy. This is a memorable scene, I would say. He's the guy chainsawing a car in half. That's him like a psychopath. That's Lawrence Taylor. And not far off from his real life for that matter.

He's also the guy in the water boy who says don't do crack don't do exactly making fun of himself and then later on in the year he was in rehab for crack that year which we'll talk about so yeah lt is you've you've seen him he's one of those guys you've seen him somewhere even wrestling he was a fucking main event in wrestlemania like He's been everywhere from movies to main eventing WrestleMania to winning the Super Bowl twice. He's been all over the place. And I must say, full disclosure at the top of the show here, give you some things. Lawrence Taylor is my favorite athlete of all time because I don't really give a shit what he's doing off the field because that didn't affect me any. I was a child sitting in my house watching football,

so whatever he was doing Sunday night didn't matter. Sunday afternoon, he was wrecking shit. Yeah, that was like a good bonding experience. If I was watching a Giants game with my dad and Lawrence Taylor was hurting somebody, we were both very excited about that. We were both very excited about that. We were both very excited about that. And also, I will say this, too.

In my opinion, when you take, like, greatest, let's say greatest basketball players, like I take centers and put them in a separate category. It's greatest centers and then it's greatest other people because you can't compare someone who's 6'5 to someone who's 7'2 and can just fucking put the ball in the basket it's not the same it's just not the same everybody else plays one game and centers have played another traditionally so i suppose that's true yeah you can't compare michael jordan and wilt chamberlain yeah you know now the big men do the same shit as these fucking yeah it's the smaller guys do So we're going to end up changing that eventually.

But you can't compare. You're right. You can't compare Rick Smith's to fucking. No, they're not. They're not. They're not the same. Different animals, apples and oranges. I the same thing with baseball.

There's pitchers and then other people. Who's the greatest pitcher? We can't say who's the greatest baseball player and say it's a pitcher or say it's a non position player. You have to say pitcher and then position player. Football is the same thing. Football is you can't say greatest player of all time and say a quarterback. You can't. There's greatest quarterback of all time because it's not fair.

They touch the ball every fucking play. They should make an impact. Literally, the play starts with them with the ball in their hands. So they have a lot to do. Whereas somebody else who doesn't touch it as much can make a bigger impact. You have to take that separately than a quarterback. You can't compare Tom Brady and Marshall Falk. How the fuck do you do that?

You know what I'm saying? Or Emmitt Smith or somebody. So to me, I look at it. So take quarterbacks out. If you have the top five NFL players of all time, just top five players that were the most, that were a force, that were otherworldly, I think three out of the five, in my opinion, and you can put the five in any order, I think, and it's really, they're so close it doesn't fucking matter at that point. But I think the top five, you take three of the top five are Jim Brown. I don't think there's any argument there. He was a man among children when he was playing.

Walter Payton, because nobody's ever done everything perfectly like him before, blocking, running, catching passes, never getting hurt in 12 years. That's ridiculous. Running backs miss games for injury. He was hurt. He just played through it. He played through it. There's no way he wasn't hurt.

No, he just did it and was still just as badass. He was insane. And then Lawrence Taylor is in that top five as well, in my opinion. And I think anybody's opinion with football, if you look at any of lists of top 100, LT is always in the top five because you can't watch him and go and not think that. You just can't. Well, the game is the way it is today because of him.

He changed the game. When a game is changed, you got to – for like that much, that extreme. He changed the way defenses played. Yeah. Period. Changed the way defenses played, and then on top of that, made offenses change the way they play. Adjust, yeah. Adjust, and made everybody else in the league go, oh, we got to get a fucking guy like that. Oh, my God.

He's just causing havoc out there. That's the one. So we'll get into all of that, though. And like I said, I love Lawrence Taylor, so I'm going to love his football exploits, but I'm not going to be cheering on the other things, trust me. So he's born February 4th, 1959, LT. So he's getting up there. He's got to chill out. He's got to calm down at this age.

He better lay low. He's born to his parents, Clarence and Iris are his parents here. Grew up in a four-room house. They have three sons. Lawrence is the middle child. Maybe that's where he gets, he wants to be noticed, I suppose. Or thinks everything he's going to do is not going to be noticed? I don't know what it is, but he grew up in Williamsburg, Virginia.

And maybe that's what it is i'm not sure maybe he's trying to be just to stand out in some way but you can want to stand out but lt has like the the way he can do it actually he has the physical ability to do it his father was a shipyard worker and didn't make a lot of money so they were it was pretty threadbare. It was, you know, they had basic needs. They had lights. The lights were on. Food was on the table. But that's it.

You know, there's no extras. The clothes are, you know, you're wearing your brother's jeans this year. It's that sort of shit. So his father was a dispatcher at the Newport News shipyards, and his mother was a schoolteacher. So still not. Very blue-collar, very just. down earth yeah down which is so funny because that's exactly the opposite of how you describe lt who always was very flashy and you know flashiest yeah he was but you know sometimes that creates that because yeah yeah makes you want it never ending yeah yeah and this never-ending stream of financing for everything you want fuck why not he was one of the first guys that i remember to

wear earrings on the field yeah like under his helmet he had that light that lightning bolt always yeah it was like jesus christ what are you doing that's that seems excessively dangerous um his family calls him lonnie which is hilarious to me what is it short for lawrence no that's the other thing but i just think it's hilarious that lt's walking around out there is the baddest motherfucker around and there's a group of people who go lonnie lonnie come here come herenie. It's over here, Lonnie. Lonnie. Somebody screams across an Applebee's. Yeah, Lonnie.

Oh, we're here. Come on, Lonnie. Oh, good. Lonnie's here. We can order appetizers. Lonnie loves the egg rolls. That's giant psychotic man with a lightning bolt dangler. Coke eyes.

A psychotic man with a lightning bolt dangler. With coke eyes. He got into trouble as a youth a lot, which, again, not surprising at all, knowing what he's going to turn into here. His mother said, quote, he was a challenging child. He's a challenging adult, so it's fair. Where the other two boys would ask for permission to do stuff, Lonnie, he would just do it, and when you found out about it, he'd give you a big story.

He's not even asked for forgiveness. Nothing has changed for Lawrence Taylor. He was like a crackhead at nine. They just described a crackhead. He was like, hey, man, no, no, no, that money you gave me, I don't know what happened. See, check it out. There was this dog walking, right? Right?

There was this dog walking. And I went down to pet him he jumped on me i fell down it landed on the grass next to me fell out my pocket right and then the wind blew and i'll tell you it went right in the river and it's gone now so can i have another 20 dollars what what lawrence the dog ate my 20 i thought you said it was in the river it doesn't matter i just need another 20 yeah i threw the dog in the river after it ate it yeah i said go get that 20 and then now the i need a new dog too can i get because that's it's gone now you need 20 in a dog so taylor explains it this way lt says quote i couldn't spend money on candy and stuff. I didn't have it. He said, sometimes I had to steal to get what I needed. So that was that. He said that he was a good baseball player as a youth.

He didn't play football till late. That's the crazy part. He liked baseball. Yeah. You look at a guy like him and you go, wow, he must have been playing football since he was five. He seems to really know every little nuance and know all the little tricks of the trade. He reinvented it. He had

to know it from early. Nope, not at all. He played base. He was a catcher of all things. You got a guy with this guy's speed and you're like, put him behind the plate. Good coaching. Good coaching. Not in center field where he can run side to side and track everything down.

None of that shit. He's tall. He's strong. He's fucking fast. Put him behind the plate. Perfect. But he had a good arm, they said. So, too, he was good throwing runners out.

He began playing football at 15. He didn't play football until he was 15. Didn't play organized football until he was a junior in high school. A junior. He was just playing with his friends goofing off no he just yeah he wasn't playing much football and he was and when he was a junior he wasn't even big lt when he's full grown 6 3 240 okay yeah big guy uh and when he's a junior in high school he's 5 5'10", 180 pounds. That's me. 5'10"? Wishfully spanking. Wow.

I'm 6'7". Yeah, it's cool. We're roughly the same weight. 5'10", 180. 5'10", 180. His coach, Melvin Jones, at Williamsburg's Lafayette High School, said, at first the other kids were just head and shoulders above him, and I looked for him to pack it in any day.

Thought he'd just quit because he sucked. He said, quote, but he hung in there, and by the middle of his senior year, he was playing like he was possessed. Wow. So by his senior year, he's 6 foot tall, 210 pounds. He's a late bloomer athletically. He just got all this athletic shit later. Nobody really looked at him. Nobody recruited him.

Really? Your junior year, you make noise, and then your senior year, people come out and look at you. That's kind of how it works. And for LT, his junior year, he didn't do shit. Yeah, people expect him to quit. Yeah. It was by the senior year.

It was too late to get attention and then get – because back then it wasn't like – now the communication is so much and there's videos. Back then it was – you'd have to hear about – I heard about there's this kid down there in Williamsburg. Oh, really? And then that would go to the next guy and that's how it worked. And now it's like – now it's crazy because it's what's his last name did his dad play in the nfl then we'll come look at him yeah no shit now that's half the nfl is just nfl players kids so stupid so gordon's son is playing now everybody by the way there's an amazing video insane he's frank gordon's son made it had some big game and then he's standing in the center

of the field and this lady runs up to him and starts like screaming and he goes calm down auntie you're doing too much aunt that's amazing you're sure frank gore's not italian it's not gore is it because that sounds like if i was accepting some award on a football field, they'd be like, Ma, come. Ma. Relax, okay? There's people here. We'll talk about it.

Okay, I know you're proud. I get it. Yo, auntie, chill. You're embarrassing me. I get it. It's amazing. That's fucking hilarious. His coach said, quote, being a late bloomer, even Norfolk State didn't talk to the kid.

Really? He wasn't anything, quote, but one day a North Carolina coach came by the school just looking around. He was just in the area. When he saw Lawrence on film, he offered him a scholarship even though his grades were right on the borderline. Right now? Yeah, right. He said, Jesus Christ, just look at the way he moves i'll i'll take him uh yeah lt not big with the with school work he always does just enough just enough to get by on the school he knew what he wanted he

was like the school means nothing when it comes to tackling people i could tackle people so he graduates from high school in 1977 and goes to North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Tar Heels. Tar Heels. Yeah. So 1977, team goes 8-3-1. They lose in the Liberty Bowl to Nebraska. Okay.

So there you go. Now, here's some stories about LT, because who gives a shit about North Carolina football in the 70s? They said that one of the, or his coach said, quote, having played only two years of high school ball, I'm not sure he had the respect of the guys at first. He wasn't like a football lifer type of guy. So Lawrence felt that he had to prove himself

and to act out the image he thought a football player should portray. He said that image was mean and nasty. As a freshman playing on special teams, he'd jump a good six or seven feet into the air to block a punt, then land on the back of his neck. He was reckless, just reckless. Jesus. He's a psycho. That's the thing about LT on the field, even in the NFL. There's no regard for anything.

He's like letting an animal out of a pen and they just like burst out and run different ways they don't know where the fuck to go like but there's no every play yeah that's like a bull coming out like they're not thinking about you know oh i don't want to hurt myself if i jerk this way they're just jerking and trying to get a guy off of them so um on the field on the field um his roommate, Steve Streeter, said, Lawrence always talked about gaining respect, and we'd always juke him about how he wasn't going to get respect at this bar downtown.

So one night, this is some Old West shit here. So one night, Lawrence walked into this bar and busted everything up, chairs, glasses, everything. Just broke it all. Like it's blazing saddles. He just walked in and started busting up the bar. For what? Mongo, run.

It's Mongo. For why? To get respect. Because they would make fun of him and raz him and say, you're not going to get respect at this bar. God damn right I will. And he went down there and destroyed it. Is that respect?

He said that's what he thought it took to gain respect. The bar owner at the time said that Taylor threw a chair against the wall but said other than that, he was generally well behaved when he came there. This was just one time he freaked out and they were like, what the hell happened there? And then he was fine after that. So for some reason in 1978, he doesn't play. I don't know why. He doesn't play in 78. Either way.

What position was he playing there? That's the thing, okay? He's playing defensive line. At North Carolina, he plays primarily nose tackle. So middle of the defensive line, down lineman. Right in the center of the line. Again, you're taking a guy whose speed is everything, and you're going, get down in a three-point stance,

and then bash right into a huge guy, please. That's perfect. See if you can get four or five inches ahead of you faster than the other guy can. But he's so strong. He's freakish. That's the thing. 240 pounds. He has the strength of a He's freakish. That's the thing. 240 pounds. He has the strength of a 350 pound man.

That's the thing. You'll see him. There's this these highlight reels. If you look up Lawrence Taylor highlights, there's ones where he is. There's a 300 pound offensive lineman hanging off of one side of him and he's just running with the guy while sacking the quarterback so you're like how is there's one highlight where he takes the left tackle and the running back who are both trying to block him and just put them both into the quarterback and tackles all three of them at the same time you're like how the fuck did you do that? The closest that we have to, like, a real example is Jadavian Clowney on that play at Ole Miss

when he got through the line and then tackled the running back, like, with his helmet. Like, just took his whole head off. LT did that every play. Well, he did it in the pros. That's the thing. He was doing it to the pros, not to some guy who's selling insurance now. He's doing it to pros. There's plays pros there's

plays where there's this one play on the highlight reel it's on all of his highlight reels because it's fucking incredible it's against the lions and i think it's lomas brown hanging off him and if you know who he is he's a very large offensive lineman over 300 pounds and lomas is hanging off of one arm trying and lomas is straight holding him at that point when he would bust through guys would just hold him to not get their quarterback killed so they didn't give a fuck they'll take the penalty so lomas is just like i'm taking a hold i don't give a shit and lt just never slows down he's got 300 pounds hanging off him he grabs the quarterback who's in front of lt he he stepped up in the pocket lt grabs him between the numbers of the back of the jersey with one fucking hand.

And literally, I swear to God, he comes off of his feet, throws him backwards five feet onto the ground. I couldn't do that with anybody older than four years old. I have a nephew that's three. I could throw him a few feet from the back of his shirt. Kindergarten and up, it would be difficult to throw someone like that. This is a 215-pound man. He just went, nope, you're going over there on your ass, kid. It was disturbing.

They have a few years of chicken nugs and hot dogs in them. It's a little harder. It's a little harder, yeah. I've never seen anybody do that. There's another highlight where a running back is running by. He's got a full head of steam going up the sideline. LT is coming off a block, so he's pretty stationary. As the guy runs by, LT grabs him by the back of the jersey,

and this full-grown man running back who's at full speed defies physics and stops completely short and goes backwards and flies backwards on his ass from a person in a standing position who grabbed him with one hand, Jimmy, with one fucking hand. You couldn't do that to a child. Is that illegal now?

No, middle of the jersey you could do. Middle, yeah, you can't horse collar. That's up at the neck, but you can grab the middle of the jersey you can do it right you middle yeah you can't horse collar that's up at the neck but you can grab the middle of the jersey and pull somebody down that seems dangerous he would tackle people you never you don't ever see anybody do that because no one can do that no one can grab someone by one hand with the jersey and throw them down no one no one does that no one does it you know so 1979, the team goes 8-3-1. They win the Gator Bowl versus Michigan 17-15. Without LT, they go 5-6 with no bowl in 78.

Is that right? Yeah, he's a force. His junior year, he had 80 unassisted tackles in 11 games. Jesus Christ. Five sacks and seven fumble recoveries. I mean, just put him in the NFL. That's the other thing he does that's incredible when you watch a lot of his sacks is if he's got both hands, if there's not like an offensive lineman holding half of him, he hits you.

He wraps you up with the left hand while fucking swiping the ball out of your hand with the right. So one hand comes over your shoulder and he's shoving you to the ground, and the other one chops you and the ball comes flying out. It's really disturbing, dude. His highlights. That's the part that made the, you've got to change eventually with that. When somebody's that much of an aggressive tackler, that's a fucking change in your game. And an aggressive crackhead later on.

Yeah, and then aggressive crackhead later on. Yeah. He plays hard on and off the field is what we're getting at. So he changed the game, though, and that's impressive. He's already got the sack, and now he wants to try to make a turnover, too, because if he doesn't get the turnover, it's still a sack. It's still a sack. And it's still so he's already got the sack and now he wants to try to make a turnover too because if he doesn't get the turnover it's still a sack it's still a fucking amazing and the other thing is when he sacks you he's definitely gonna pop up and say some mean shit in your face standing over

you and you never ever once saw a quarterback like get up and try to get in his face they just put their head down like i know i know nobody wanted to fight this fucking guy. He's insane. He's insane. His nickname from his teammates was Godzilla in college. That's good. He's just attacking the city. His roommate said, quote, he even had a bodyguard. If we were going to the club where there was a lot of people,

Paul Davis, a teammate who now lives with Taylor and his family, would open the way up for him, saying, let Lawrence through. Once he was through, Taylor was determined to have a good time. He said Lawrence could put away a case on a night. Case of beer. Yeah. I mean, 24 cans of beer and still have a lot of spunk left. That sounds way different in England.

They'd be like, wow. I would hope he would unless he was fucking the beer why would it dry up yeah he said i've seen him do it and if we ran out of beer we'd start chugging wine sometimes we'd be up almost 24 hours doing that jesus chugging wine uh uh north carolina teammate uh or coach i'm sorry mel, said, I thought he could have a drinking problem. At the Blue Bonnet Bowl in Houston his senior year, he showed up for practice early one morning with a hangover. Hell, I could smell it on him. So I just got on his butt and ran him more and more.

Finally, he threw up. Okay. And then he was gone. And then he was okay. He didn't really go to class very often. He was majoring in industrial relations which i don't even know what that is i i having sex in a factory i don't know what that is some eminem eight mile he was a professional with that i guess britney murphy on a fucking

on a license plate presser isn't that an old romantic soul song, Industrial Relations? We're going to have industrial relations. I think Marvin Gaye sang that, didn't he? Isn't that a Marvin Gaye song? It's a fascinating song. Industrial, industrial relations. He majored in that? He majored in that.

He didn't really go to class, but that was on paper, his major. That was on effect, yeah. majored in that he didn't really go to class but that was on paper as major yeah his uh his his roommate again said we used to joke uh laurence we used to joke laurence about how the only time he'd come on campus was when it snowed so he could have a snowball fight but laurence didn't need to go to class all the women gave him all the notes he needed so he'd just read a little bit here and there pass the test then go uptown and have a good time. Jesus fucking Christ. His coach again said, he's a very intelligent individual, but he was really there to have a good time.

He was also a con man. He used to talk his way into and out of a lot of things with professors. He'd say, I had this problem, I had that problem. Most of the time, when I had to get a hold of him, I called the pool hall. I called the pool hall. I called the pool hall. Lawrence down there. That's where he'll be. He said that Lawrence wasn't worried about it ever, though.

He said he would always say, don't worry about it, coach. I'll get my 2.0. The professor doesn't take role. He won't know I'm not there. He's aiming for a C. Oh, he doesn't care. Yeah, I'll get my 2. That's what he needs to stay eligible. He doesn aiming for a C. Oh, he doesn't care. Yeah, I'll get my two. That's what he needs to stay eligible.

He doesn't give a fuck. He knows he's going to be in the NFL. He said he was one kid about whom we just said, hey, we're not going to worry about it. He'll do it. He'll get it. He'll be eligible. Just don't worry about it. It's fine.

So 1980, the team goes 11-1 and wins the Blue Bonnet Bowl, beating Texas. So that doesn't exist anymore, by the way, the Blue Bonnet Bowl. What is that? It was in Houston. Oh, that was— Isn't it margarine, I think? Uh-huh. Yeah, that shit margarine that's just oil.

Is it fake butter, Blue Bonnet? Yeah, it's that margarine shit. I don't know if they make real butter, too. Like the Country Croc, right? Yeah, yeah. The Country Croc style? Plastic tubs. Yeah, yeah. Plastic tubs that you can use as as replacement plates if you're white trash that is a shitload of butter to sell to be able to sponsor a fucking college

game you gotta say well it's america jimmy people were buying it i mean i can see selling a bunch of bad steaks for the outback bowl but how much butter do you have to sell to sponsor? An ass load. An ass load. Everybody uses butter, especially like in the Midwest and the South. The South is butter central, man. They don't know what olive oil, what the hell are you talking about? I have it in the house, but I don't use a lot of it.

I don't know. Not margarine. No. No one should use margarine. I used to. Don't use margarine. It's so creamy should use margarine. I used to. Don't use margarine. It's so creamy. Margarine's not good for you.

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LT, his senior year, has 16 sacks in 12 games. Yeah. That is something. That's a lot. In 12 games? In 12 games, he has 16 sacks. What is that, a sack and a third each game? Monstrous.

It's scaring the shit out of the offensive. Wow. And you have to understand, this is a big thing when we talk about sack numbers now, because now guys have higher numbers and people so people go oh that must mean they're better pass rushers they drop back to pass 50 times a fucking game now right back then that's not how it was in the nfl you had like you know the dolphins would throw a lot and shit like that but like the giants and the nfc east washington didn't throw the ball that much d Dallas had Tony fucking Dorsett. They ran the ball constantly. Their quarterbacks would be, you know, eight for 14.

So you had 14 opportunities. And, you know, five of those could be dump offs. Nowadays, it's half the plays, more than half are coming out of the shotgun with one back who's not even a blocker, a back who's a fucking receiver. Back then, you're talking about fullbacks and tight ends and shit like it was a first and second down were reserved for running and then on third we pick up what's left yeah and everybody knew you were doing it they had the blockers in there for you and they would double and triple team lawrence taylor and shit so it's not the same thing at all

if you put it's just not so he uh he was the 1980 ACC player of the year and an All-American, of course, as well. He didn't earn his diploma, though, because all he did was stay eligible. No, no, no. You know, his coach said, quote, Lawrence told me he didn't need a degree. Yeah. He said, coach, I'll make. He told me. He said, coach, I'll make more money playing football. And who could argue?

As a senior, he ended up with 55 unassisted tackles and 16 sacks and three fumble recoveries. He just dominated. He just dominated. No way to stop him. How many tackles? 55 unassisted. Unassisted. So he was on more tackles. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's the assist, the combo tackles but 1981 nfl draft jimmy who was the number one pick in the 1981 nfl draft dan marino absolutely not he was in 83 and he wasn't till like 20 till like 26 or 25 he was picked by the dolphins watch from elway to marino, that fucking documentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great stuff. Number one, Jimmy, I need one more guest from you. Oh, Joe Montana.

No, he was 79, I think. God damn it. George Rogers. Who? He won the Heisman that year. Did he? Yes, he did, and he was a running back for the New Orleans Saints, a good running back, a And he was a running back for the New Orleans Saints. A good running back.

A very serviceable, good running back. But not a number one overall draft pick. Is he in the Hall of Fame now? No, that's the thing. Number two overall, he's in the Hall of Fame. That's Lawrence Taylor to the New York Giants. They chose George Foster? Was that his name? George Rogers.

George Foster's the baseball player. George Rogers, because of LT's character concerns, they said they didn't want him, New Orleans. Wow. Yeah. I'm sure every quarterback they had for the next 10 years was like, thanks a lot for that. Yeah. Character concerns. Great.

He just put his helmet in my rib cage. Appreciate that. He's staying in the NFC,c though whether he goes from the saints or the giants yeah doesn't matter but it doesn't matter good for the giants to draft him and oh they were drooling time this is uh this is bill parcells is the giants defensive coordinator at this point in time bill belichick is the linebackers coach oh wow so he's he's lt's first coach is bill belichick 41 years in the nfl yeah he's been around first coach is Bill Belichick. 41 years in the NFL. Yeah, he's been around forever.

Number three overall, Freeman McNeil to the Jets. Good running back for the Jets in the 80s. He was their main guy. Number four, another Hall of Famer, Kenny Easley, the Seattle defensive back. Then you got EJ Jr., Rich Campbell, Hugh Green. Number eight overall, another Hall of Famer, Ronnie Lott. Hey! Ronnie Lott was a bad, bad man. Number eight overall, another Hall of Famer, Ronnie Lott. Hey! Ronnie Lott was a bad, bad man.

He was awesome. Did he go to San Francisco? Yeah, went to San Francisco, played there for about, what, 10 years? And then a lot of good, decent players drafted. But second round, you got a couple more Hall of Famers, three of them as a matter of fact. Second round, well, number one, not a Hall of Famer but you got old chris collinsworth here really at number 37 i saw a video that i gotta send you it's gross of him dating in cincinnati when he was a wide receiver there he was taught james he said and girls from 14 to 18 really like

me what did you just say chris he said when mature, then they realize that I'm not what they thought I was. What? Say again, Chris. Jesus Christ. Chris, did you just say you dated a 14-year-old? I think Jimmy Savile had that same quote, didn't he? That's disgusting. I don't know.

I don't like that at all. That's vile, Chris. That's disgusting. We've got that dickhead on Sunday smiling, acting like he's America wholesome. Ew. He always looks drunk to me. Whenever he smiles, it looks like that dude had like four gin and tonics, right? His hair doesn't match his eyebrows, so he was dying his hair in fucking 84.

That's weird as shit, too. That's strange. He's a creep. The pick after Chris Collinsworth is a Hall of Famer, though. That is Mike Singletary. Oh, that's a good point. Number 48 overall to Oakland, Howie Long, another Hall of Famer pick then. And then another Hall of Famer at pick 51, Ricky Jackson to the Saints.

Pretty much everybody that was in the longest yard. All of them, yeah. But that's six Hall of Famers in the first two rounds. That's not bad. It's a pretty good draft. The night he was drafted, he says that he drank 41 beers to celebrate on draft night. 41? That's just how many he ended up drinking.

It wasn't like, I'm going to drink me 41 beers. It's just all that was left yeah uh in a 1981 interview he said that um he was very tempted by what he said was quote women drugs money everything sounds awesome he said that turns me off i used to try a little of this and a little of that until i got real sick with better judgment i learned to stay away from it so he's saying i've dabbled during college and stuff, but I've come out the other side by now. I know better. I'm good now. No, you're not.

I used to drink 41 beers. I'm okay. I'm good. Everything's fine. Fine. Oh, my God. He signed a six-year, $1.35 million contract that included a $250,000 bonus. What a steal.

Yeah, back then, that was a great deal. Anytime. Out of the bonus, he paid a $100,000 fee to his agent, gave $10,000 to certain members of his family, each, that needed it, bought a three-bedroom house for his parents, and began sending $700 each month to his mother quote for being my mother, like hired her as part of, you know, LT Corp. So that's her job. Be my mom. She's the mom.

Be my mom. A lot of people do that. A lot of athletes do because you have, and there's certain tax things where you're allowed to basically give family members money, a certain amount, and then you can tax free and you can hire them to you know whatever so 1981 rookie season all right we got to start off right away he comes in like a bat out of fucking hell here phil sims the quarterback and current broadcaster and was the giants quarterback I think, from 79 until 90-shit-two, three when he retired. Also has a son who plays. Also Chris Sims, who I think got his spleen lacerated or some shit at one point and had to stop playing.

I think he played for Denver for a little bit. He played for a bunch of people. Yeah, Tampa, I remember him for a while. He said, Phil Sims, back then, rookies and quarterbacks went to camp a week earlier, and we had a scrimmage. So this is just for rookies and quarterbacks. He said they had to take Lawrence out of the scrimmage after no more than 10 minutes. I don't even think it got that far because he sacked the quarterback on every single throw. Not some, every throw.

I can remember the quarterback was Cliff Olander, and he was going crazy. Can somebody block him? And no, Cliff. He said, no, Cliff, nobody can block him. I remember Coach Ray Perkins just going, take him out, so they could evaluate some of the other kids because they couldn't get plays off. Yeah, he's all scrimmaged up. Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous.

He doesn't need this. Every drop back, two seconds later, this guy's on top of him. They're like, okay, I can't tell if these receivers are any good because no one can get them the ball. Because that guy's too good. Because he's on top of them. Here is Bill Belichick on Lawrence Taylor. And Bill Belichick,

if you're not a football fan, is a pretty accomplished head football coach, I would say. He's done fine. He's got like a drawer full of rings from multiple organizations um he's done pretty well messy they say that messy this week after the world cup finished football that's our that's what they've been saying about him yeah whatever the fuck that means he's gotten every award possible that's what

belichick has done he's finished football he's done pretty goddamn well for himself and even like people will say well he's not good without brady or whatever well he made the decision hey i'll keep this six round draft pick in over our star quarterback and we'll you know what i mean so coaching wise he's a pretty good coach and i kind of the one thing i like about belichick is i used to go why is he dressed like a scumbag on the sidelines and then i heard why it's protest yeah it's fuck fuck your suits you know he wants to wear a suit and you're not allowed to wear a suit on the sideline you have to wear he's like so i'm not allowed to wear a suit but i can wear a bummy

sweatshirt homeless that's why he does that so he wants to show exactly how ridiculous he's allowed to look well he's not allowed to wear a nice suit. So I love that personally. I think that's great. Here, look how stupid you look. So Belichick said, quote, first practice. He played on all four phases in the kicking game, so he was hard to block on punt protection, as you can imagine. We didn't use him too much there.

He was the gunner on the punt team. He was impossible to block. He played the middle on kickoff return, and he had some of the biggest hits I've ever seen. He played safety on the coverage, kickoff coverage, and you were never really concerned that they were going to get it too far, you know, past the 30 or whatever. They played that unhinged lunatic on special teams? On special teams, dude. Imagine that. I watched one highlight.

That guy running full speed at you. Yeah. I watched one highlight where the punt comes in and there are whole teams behind him and he's just standing over the fucking guy waiting to receive it. And there's like eight guys, but they're 10, 12 yards behind him. He got there way faster. And that's the thing. 10, 12 yards behind him. He got there way faster. And that's the thing. Measurables wise, they say he runs a four, five 40, which that's pretty good. It's pretty good for a 245 pound three, six foot three guy. Right. And especially in 1981, that was unheard of. That was like,

that's not even fair. But the thing about LT is that's what he runs in the 40. But if he's chasing someone who runs a four, three, he runs 4-2-9 you know what i'm saying if you were chasing someone that runs a 4-4 he's running a 4-3-9 he will catch your ass period yeah he's gonna get you um so he says uh so he dominated from the first play uh play a day of practice playoff game against philadelphia He really was the difference in that game, just uncovering punts, but there's nobody I could really put in his category that I've coached. There may be others that I haven't coached,

but I mean, he's head and shoulders above whoever the next player is. That's, that's a pretty big compliment of like it's him. And then you can argue about it. He said, and I've been fortunate to coach a lot of great, great defensive players.

But when you talk about Lawrence Taylor, that's a whole different conversation. I mean, honestly, he could have played any position on the field on defense except corner. Actually, he probably could have played corner too, but safety, linebacker, inside, outside, defensive end, defensive tackle. He played nose guard at North Carolina, so you can put him wherever you want. And that's the thing also about Lawrence Taylor. If he was a tight end, he would have been the greatest tight end in the history of the fucking NFL. Imagine him blowing off the line with blocks, knocking people over, running down the field. He's insane.

He could have played as a fullback. Imagine him lead blocking for people. Holy balls. That would be dangerous. Leaving cleats on the field that would be so much fun to watch he said in defensive meetings while we're studying film all of a sudden lawrence will say ah bill run that playback again and i'll realize he's looking at some guy 20 yards away from the ball a wide receiver who was knocked off the screen by a

defensive back i've seen him get his thrills watching one of our own guys get dusted. He just likes violence. That's all there is to it. He enjoys it. Here's a two-yard run. Yeah, yeah, but look out there. That guy is bleeding now. Look at that.

Yeah. I can't remember what coach it was, but there was an interview with one coach where he talked about they asked him because he had coached or was in the NFC East against Reggie White and against Lawrence Taylor. And Reggie White is an amazing force of nature, obviously. And he said, well, who's better, Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor? This was, you know, late 80s. And he said, well, Reggie's 6'5", 300 pounds.

So, I mean, he's bigger and stronger, but Lawrence is 10 times faster. So that all evens out. All the physical stuff is even. You got a strength guy and a speed guy. He goes, but Lawrence is a hundred times meaner. He goes, I take him. He wants to run you over, get in your face, and then get back to the line as soon as possible and do it again. Reggie White minus Jesus.

Yeah. Reggie White, they're saying he's a nice guy out again. Reggie White minus Jesus. Yeah. Reggie White, they're saying he's a nice guy out there. He's not trying to hurt anybody. LT wants to hurt everybody. That's who you want. You want the guy causing destruction. So he said that a player like Lawrence was such a special

athlete, but a really special player because of his awareness and instinctiveness. Taylor had the ability when he stood on the end of the line of scrimmage which is where he played as an outside linebacker defensive end he could just tell it didn't matter who the person was or what type of play it was or anything else he could just tell by the look of the opponent on the other side of the line of scrimmage who was going to block him and that was because of how scared they were he knew who was pissing their cleats he knew

who was assigned to them because he looked uncomfortable yeah that's exactly who it was so he go okay that's my guy right there um he said that he knew offensive linemen were scared of him and that so he could just read people he said when that tackle was looking at him like if i'm one split second late out of my stance if i'm a few inches off on my angle or step, this guy's going to be behind me. They'd have that scared to death look. And Taylor could just tell by looking at the guy whether he was going to block him or not. Quarterbacks, too, said that Taylor said he knew if it was a passing play right away. Every place that I always knew if it was a passing or a running play he said because

they'd look over scared shitless adam where's he yeah whereas on a running play it's not their problem so they don't give a shit and they don't they don't they're not they don't look scared so he goes he could tell exactly by the quarterback what was going on which is god damn it that's incredible that's incredible no one else does that he's belichick said the same thing with the quarterback taylor would anticipate it was a run because the quarterback didn't care about him. It was somebody else's problem. But if it was a pass play and the quarterback looked at Taylor like, is he rushing? Is he not rushing? Do I have him picked up? You know, with coverages. from that individual look in the guy's eye or how nervous he was from play to play you know run pass which guy's blocking me that sort of thing he would oftentimes come off and tell me that after a first or second series series he said i can read this on every play it's easy because of the tackle if he had him in pass protection was scared to death so that's amazing um team goes

nine and seven and they were one of i think bottom three defenses in the nfl the year before and they were in the top three this year so one guy makes a huge difference one psychopath then all of a sudden you're doing great well it changes everything else now everybody else's responsibilities are a lot easier because they're so scared of this guy and if you have to double cover one guy oh great now there's 10 of us on 9AU. Yeah. Awesome. Sounds good.

So they go to the playoffs at 9 and 7 and beat Philly in the wild card round. He LT8 Ron Jaworski for fucking lunch all the time. You watch his sack stuff. There's so many highlights of him just blowing Ron Jaworski out of the water. Like I felt Jaworski must have really. You just said it like somebody in Philly would say it. I did. I did. I couldn't help it.

See? It's right there. Right out of the water. Water. Water. But Ron is a fascinating character who, after football, he might be the least athletic-looking person that played football. Yeah.

He looks like someone's dad who maybe played in high school. It's hysterical to see him and then be like, that guy is telling me so much about football and I don't believe it. Yeah, he looks like he sells wholesale farm equipment. Like not down at the farm, but like

wholesale. He sells it like from the dealership. Tractor supply. Yeah, yeah. That's what he looks like. He's like the general manager of a tractor supply company. It is hilarious how little respect he has earned for me. It's true. Somebody out there, make us a Photoshop of Ron Jaworski in like a polo shirt with overalls on over it. Like he's managing a tractor store.

Like, listen, I know I'm down to earth, but I still got to have the polo shirt on. I got to do inventory at the end of the day. overalls on over it you know that like he's managing a tractor store like listen i know i'm down to earth but i still gotta have the polo shirt on i gotta do inventory at the end of the day tell me about the new features on this john deere come on let's do it ron dear ron dear oh christ so uh san francisco beats them in the next round, 38-24 though. San Francisco then was incredible. They were becoming a dynasty that year. Now sacks are not an NFL stat this year. They still don't count as

a stat. There's no NFL stat, but judging by what they went back and counted up, they said he had nine and a half sacks that year that didn't count for anything and he becomes the only rookie ever named the league's uh defensive player of the year really the only rookie at the time ever to do that that's fucking amazing he came in done it since it can't be many I can't imagine to be a force like that defensive player not just like hey oh he's a fun player.

Like he's the best defensive player in the fucking league. And he's a rookie is ridiculous. That's not right. He said, I don't like to just wrap the quarterback. I really try to make him see seven fingers when they hold up three. In other words, I want to knock him into stupidity. I'm scrambling eggs today. Yep. I'll drive knock him into stupidity. I'm scrambling eggs today. Yep.

I'll drive my helmet into him, or if I can, I'll bring my arm over my head and try to axe the son of a bitch in two. That's what he does. He comes down on you like that. See guys crumble. Axe the son of a bitch in two. So long as the guy is holding the ball, I intend to hurt him. If I hit the guy right i'll hit a nerve and he'll feel electric electrocuted he'll forget for a few seconds that he's on a football

field he's trying to hurt you there's not he's causing neurological damage this is i want to kill on every play purpose this is awesome um that's crazy also his rookie year another thing he finds in addition to the quarterback a lot is cocaine he finds cocaine and oh does he love cocaine oh god he found the frick to his frack man it is just the yin to his yang he found it all right here it's cocaine baby best friends forever yeah just going down the street on a tandem bicycle together just him and cocaine him and some yeah him in the front and a little vial behind him in the back seat there just riding along he would pass the nfl's drug test but he would do that by obtaining teammates urine and just submitting it there. Hey, piss for me?

They'd be like, sure, you're the defensive player of the year. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. We made the playoffs. So they make sacks a stat for the next year. So sacks are a thing. Do you think, James, him trying to make the quarterback feel electrocuted, do you think that's what the lightning bolt's about? I think it's also speed.

He's a lightning bolt is what he thinks. It's all a lightning bolt. I think everything with him is lightning. Everything's lightning. The coke is lightning. The running is lightning. The axe is lightning. It's all lightning.

It's all lightning. He's snorting white lightning. He's running like lightning. This is his definition of a sack, by the way. Okay. All right. Quote, a sack is when you run up behind somebody who's not watching he doesn't see you and you really put your helmet into him the ball goes fluttering

everywhere and the coach comes out and asks the quarterback are you all right that's a sack fucking somebody up good hitting hitting a defenseless person that's a sack fucking sucker on him that's a sack to the point where we're not sure if he's still healthy. That's a sack. A defensive back here, Beasley Reese for the Giants. He said, quote, I've seen quarterbacks look at Lawrence and forget the snap count. That's wild right there. And they just got it in the fucking huddle.

Yeah. He said there's one opposing quarterback couldn't find. The first thing they would all do, every quarterback would get to the line, look around and find LT because he would wander. So they'd find LT and then you'd have to call a blocking scheme for LT depending on where he was. So they'd go LT this way or 56 there, 56 here, 56 there. So they were always looking for LT. Well, this quarterback fucking panicked because he couldn't find him. He was looking and he couldn't find him, so he called timeout.

He just called timeout. LT was on the sideline. He wasn't in the game. But this dude shit his pants and panicked and was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, there's a sniper somewhere. Timeout, timeout. Yeah, never mind. And they were like, dude.

But that's how in his head he was. He wasn't even in the game. That's crazy. So they said that I think I saw it more with – Harry Carson said this. I think I saw it more with the quarterbacks in our division. They knew enough to be afraid. But every quarterback had a certain amount of fear when they played us. You know, credit to LT, too, because he made other players better because when every team is focused

on you it gives them gives the other players a chance to shine too yeah so they've got when they got two people chasing you around that leaves somebody free and I guarantee you Harry Carson benefited from that Harry Carson, Gary Reasons, Pepper Johnson

all these guys yeah they were that's why they were the big blue wrecking crew they called the linebacker unit because it was a carl banks it was lt and then the other guys you know did their thing so it made it a lot easier fucking hall of fame because of that good for him he was a great player harry carson he really was um so lt said they come to the line of scrimmage and the first thing they do is start looking for me. I know and they know. When they'd find me, they'd start screaming, 56 left, 56 left. So there's this thing I did. After the play was over, I'd come up behind them and whisper, don't worry where I am.

I'll tell you when I get there. That's disturbing. Haunting. Jesus. From an interview later on, they said, when you entered the league, did you know you'd be a Hall of Fame player? And he said, it's not that I knew I would be a Hall of Fame player, but I remember when the center who wore 56, which that's his number, Jim Clack retired. And so they gave me that number or I took that number. And then he unretired and they wanted him back for like three or four games. Right. took that number and then he unretired and they wanted him back for like three or four games right

i remember the older guys brad van pelt uh harry carson brian kelly came to me and said listen can you give clark back his number and take another number george young said no he's not going to do that he's not going to take 50 he's he's going to take that 56 all the way to the hall of fame and that's when i was uh that's when i was a rookie. Not that I thought that was possible, but as time went on, it became possible. So, 1980... Did Clack end up picking a different number? Is that what happened? Yeah, he had to pick a different number. They said,

no, that's him now. He's 56. He's 57. Whatever. Whatever. And then LT56, no one else ever wore it for the Giants. It's retired. The Giants don't have a lot of retired numbers. They keep it pretty tight. It's hard to retire football numbers because you have like 56 guys on the team at all times. There's only 99 numbers. There's only 99 numbers.

So you've got to be real picky with who you retire. It has to be Hall of Famers. We really like that guy. Not enough. So, yeah. 82 comes around. In early 82, he has a son. A son is born.

Already. You know it's going to be. Of course it is. Lawrence Taylor Jr. Of course. Unbelievable. Lil LT. Now, during this time, Michael Jordan is at North Carolina becoming a monstrous basketball star there.

And that's also LT's alma mater. And so LT would go back all the time to campus and, you know, just hang out and mix it up. And he would love to play pickup basketball. You know, he's an athlete, so he loved to play pickup basketball. So Jordan's college teammate and roommate, his name is Buzz Peterson, which is a Buzz Peterson, which is a... Of course. Buzz Peterson? I think he works for Ron Jaworski selling farm equipment, doesn't he?

I'm going to pass you on to my pal Buzz Peterson. He's going to take good care of you. Don't worry about nothing. He knows. No, no, no. He knows every piece of equipment in here as well as I do. I'll promise you that right now. He's my top guy. Now you've bought the Ron Deere.

Now you've got to take it over to Buzz to get the accessories put on. You've got to put on the light bar. The Ron Deere? Did you say Ron Deere? Yeah. That's John's brother. John's brother. He's trying to compete.

I know you brought John. I know you meant Ron Jaworski, but Ron Deere. I just pictured a guy going, my shit's good, too. I make it a different color. It's orange. All my things are just orange. You got the John Deere that's green. You got the Ron Deere that's orange.

It's all orange. It'll cut shit and does things. And Buzz sells the accessories for it. You can sit on it while you make a country music video it's fine so buzz peterson said this uh there is one guy that i always thought and i know to this day i don't know if michael will admit it or not but i swear he had a little bit of fear of uh and it wasn't a basketball player it was a football player by the name of lawrence taylor lt phenomenal athlete could guard east to west meaning we're talking basketball now

yeah could guard east to west as quick as anybody could jump big hands strong and was a bit crazy so michael in the back of his mind said shit i better be careful with this guy and lt always wanted to guard him. Who's the best? I want him. That's my guy. That's awesome. March 29, 1982, his former girlfriend and mother of Lawrence Taylor Jr.

files suit against him in Orange County, North Carolina, seeking support payments for the child he's fathered. For Lil T. He just gave him his name and walked away. Poof. Good. That's your name. Yeah. The case, while it's being litigated,

he just married another girl that he was going out with from college, Linda Cooley, who will be Linda Taylor after a while, bought a gold Mercedes, bought a big house, did his whole big thing here he's just just like i don't care about that i'm doing this he made a baby with the woman and then yeah did life with this one oh yeah yeah he would go he loved this bar too he would hang out at the bench it was a place uh near giant stadium and he women would just be would just love to be gyrating all over him and hanging on him and shit here.

Brian Kelly, a linebacker, said, this is where everybody on the Giants team went. It was the first stop. They said, after games, after practice, you stop and have a few beers. You go on any team, and as soon as practice is over, I guarantee you that 10 or 12 players will go to a certain place and drink.

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Yeah. R-A-V-O. Vinny Ravo. Yeah. R-A-V-O. He said, now Vinny will say, quote, Lawrence and I have gone out, taken vacations together, and socialized together. His family has been to my house for Christmas.

He comes over for Christmas. He's the godfather of my second-born son. He didn't say that, but it's very Italian and overdramatic. I've been out to dinner with him many times. We're very close. Right. Let me tell you that right now. We're fucking close, pal.

He tells everybody this. Yeah. Let me tell you. The picture of him and Lawrence Taylor is right behind his desk in his office. He introduces himself as Vinny, LT's friend. You know my friend Lawrence Taylor? I was with Lawrence Taylor. You know Lawrence Taylor, right?

Bill Parcells, though, is pissed off about this because vinnie has a criminal record including felony convictions for larceny and receiving stolen property he's a fucking you know he's a he's a ne'er-do-well not even that he's just kind of a you know a hanger on to that sort of thing he's an underworld character is what bill parcells thinks anyway that That's what the, you know, he owns a bar in Jersey and he's doing understolen property. His name's Vinny. His name's Vinny. You know, there's certain clues that you get. And he was convicted after police found a stolen fully loaded 9mm handgun under a floorboard in his attic.

stolen fully loaded nine millimeter handgun under under a floorboard in his attic so uh they said giants coaches knew that uh the bench has all the possibility of becoming a bad joint and a type of joint where drug guys would hang out that's what leonard marshall says the yeah defensive one word lounge that's the bench yeah the bench that means, players. And he said that he told the players, don't make yourself too visible in this place. Marshall described it as, quote, a strip joint where a lot of guys go to have fun and laugh and get as drunk as possible. Well, that's nice. It's the bing. It's the bing. That's it.

That's what I mean. Hey, Vin. Vin. Vinny at the bench. Jesus Christ. Vinny at the bench. Jesus Christ. Now, Vinny's lawyer, Miles Feinstein of Clifton, New Jersey, said Vinny has nothing to do with drugs.

If Taylor had any problems, Vinny's not responsible. Hey, see this? This is Vinny. You know what he is? Not fucking responsible. Get out of here. You hear me? He's not responsible.

Look at him. He runs a respectable joint. Look at his face. That's the face of a man who's not fucking responsible let me tell you something so yeah they hung out there now uh one thing they said there's a lot of people who hang out at this bar one of them uh that hangs out at the bar is uh um frank uh what was this? Oh, Frank Scaraghi, who was identified as a major sports betting figure. He's a fucking bookie. And he's a Genovese family associate and a bookie. And John DiGilio, who's a customer at the bar as well. And they said that, quote, Vinny doesn't throw people out and say, hey, are you a member of organized

crime? So people come in. It's a bar. It's open to the public. He can't help who hangs out here. Right. You know, he can't help if Big Pussy and Pauly Walnuts are coming over for some drinks. He's just running a respectable establishment here.

I don't understand it. And Vinny said he is not associated with any illegal activities. And, you know, it was 40 years ago. We don't know. He said, I think Parcells is a fat hyphenated epithet. That's what he said. I wish you could put that in the paper. I think he did because you didn't curse.

You said hyphenated epithet. Unless they said fat fuck and they didn't put that in. He said, I wish you could put that in the paper. I know. He had to look like, oh, you don't even know. Oh, that fat fuck. they didn't put that in. He said, I wish you could put that in the paper. I know he had to look like, oh, you don't even know. Oh, that fat fuck. You know what? Say it. Just type it. He goes

on to say, I don't really give a damn because I'll spit in his face. Bill Parcells. LT's a friend of mine, so what's the big deal? My bar isn't the only bar LT's gone into. He must have been in 500 bars. He's a fucking drunk what do you could now he's throwing lt under the bus here yeah what it's not about vinnie was

awaiting sentencing here for a stolen property charge and all this type of shit um taylor at the same time is being questioned about his assets by a lawyer by you know the depositions representing his former girlfriend here uh taylor said of the financial interest he has in his agent's company, it's like a savings account. It's my money. They keep it there. I get some interest on it, around 15% maybe. In other words, they hide his money here so she can't get it,

and then he gets an unreasonably high rate of return on this investment, Perani, so that's pretty good. He also has a horse ranch that they invested in for him. Really? He said, I guess it's a horse farm, a breeding farm. They're growing horses out there or something. Well, listen to how he finishes his sentence. I guess it's a horse farm, a breeding farm.

Not a breeding farm, but just a place where they graze and stuff. What, a retirement home? Just a retirement home? Just a hangout? Like, what are we talking? It's called a corral. It's where they store your horses, LT. They said, well, what's the name of it? He said, I don't pay attention to that.

I don't know. He doesn't even know where it is, what it's called, or what the fuck the horses are doing there, which is fine. Then he said, quote, I might not play at all this season. I might be tired of football. Now he's saying that he might be done after his rookie year. I might be exhausted now. I might be out. Um, so during Vinny gets convicted and while he's being sentenced, he asked his friends

to write letters of support for him, you know, especially famous ones like Lawrence Taylor. Yeah. So why Lawrence Taylor writes on giants letterhead, mind you, by the way. Took it from the office here. Quote, I have had the sincere pleasure of knowing Vinny for the past three years. I am aware of his family life and his relationships. Based on that knowledge, I must tell you that he is a sincere, and he used sincere twice in three sentences, and devoted man who is a hard worker and cares very much for his family life at home.

Vinny has always been there when I needed him for personal advice or just someone to talk to. I can trust him with my life because he's always been to me an honest, sincere, and kind person. I think it would be a tragedy to have this man go to jail. Please consider this before you sentence him, and I know you will do what is right. Or I'll come to your house and put my helmet in your ribs, is what that sounds like. That last one sounds like a threat. That's what I mean. That's what a mob guy would do is he taps your cheek lightly and go, I know you'll do what's right.

I know you'll do the right thing. I'll break your legs if you don't do the right thing, what I want you to do. And that's what I want you to do, by the way. Vinny gets sentenced to three years in prison, and he serves 10 months of that. So Linda, at one point during this time, has to pick Lawrence up from a crack house. Or back then, a coke den. It wouldn't really be a crack house yet, but yeah. then a coke den wouldn't really be a crack house yet but yeah um 1982 taylor refuses to show up at training camp for the giants during the summer unless his contract is renegotiated holding out

you said it was a steal and it was a steal and he knew that um and uh finally the giants said well we'll discuss it after the season and lt said okay fine that was enough that was enough give for him to save face and come to camp and you know not look like an idiot you're willing to talk about it all right then I'll come play so only nine games in the season this year because it was a strike shortened year this year so uh four and five the Giants go great um LT though is a monster of course seven and a half sacks in nine games and uh shit loads of tackles he has a 97 yard interception return for a touchdown wow that's the other when he drops into pass coverage

he's deadly back there he can cover receivers it's disturbing like other than tiny very fast receivers he can cover receivers tight ends he's all over him they know tight ends are getting anywhere away from him he reads football reads football. He reads plays. He knows what's happening. His football IQ is through the fucking roof. I think it's the 86. No, it's not the 86. I can't remember what year it is, but there's a game against the 49ers

where the Giants are kind of pummeling them a little bit. And the end of the whole thing the cherry on top is joe montana throws a pick to lt and lt catches it and jerry rice is behind him it was intended for jerry rice so lt catches it and after like two steps jerry rice just pulls up and stops chasing him he goes i'm not catching him going down the sidelines and lt ran it for a touchdown like and that's the best receiver in the league it was like i'm not catching him going down the sidelines. And LT ran it for a touchdown. And that's the best receiver in the league. It was like, I'm not catching that fucking guy. No way.

And he was not far from him. And even if he could catch up to him, I don't think Jerry's going to tackle him. Go for the legs, Chief. Then LT's going to kill you on the next play. Right. That's the other thing. They were scared to piss him off. They didn't want to make him mad because then he'd come and fucking do worse to you there's but what which is worst

worst worse uh an lt playing angry because he can't because you're you're stopping him from or an lt playing really excited about pummeling you it's there's no winning here you know it's it's crazy so 1983 bill parcells comes in and becomes the new head coach now. Uh-oh. So he's the head coach, gets a promotion. Team goes 3-12-1 this year. He almost got shit-canned in his first year. Now LT this year plays in all 16 games, has two interceptions too.

That's the other thing. He's picking balls. He's run nine sacks. Oh, by the way, 82, he balls he's run uh nine sacks oh by the way 82 he was the defensive player of the year again by the way for the second year in a row uh you know ap first team all pro uh pro ball games because the team stinks all together they're losing games because the offense stinks all the offense was terrible in 83 absolute fucking train wreck i think phil sims was hurt that year too they were

putting all these different guys in train wreck um but he's jesus christ one day in 83 he came into a team meeting with with a handcuff hanging off of him lawrence did lawrence did handcuff and they were like did you like just escape or something? Should you be in custody right now? And he shrugged and said, there's some ladies trying out some new equipment, but they didn't have the key. So he was fucking around with a bunch of women. I broke it off the headboard to make it here on time. To get on time. He had a bit of a, now him and Parcells are like they love each other, but it's also a love-hate thing in the beginning because Parcells is tough.

There was certainly friction. I do know that. Till Parcells just said let Lawrence basically do what Lawrence does, and that's going to be to our benefit. He figured it out. So Taylor called it a love-hate relationship. He said that Parcells would ride players trying to improve their performance. You don't have to ride Taylor. He's going to be balls out.

Don't do that. Yeah, he didn't do that. So at first when Parcells kept doing that, he said that he told him, quote, I've had enough. You either cut me or trade me, but get the fuck off my back. I don't care. I'll leave. That's fine.

Parcells kept on him, but he told the other coaches and players, quote, I like that lt that motherfucker's got a mean streak i like when parcells says shit about that like players there's this one documentary about the 86 giants where they're talking about mark bavaro which uh mark before do you know mark bavaro no oh my god see that's the thing like i saw you say shannon sharp helped change the tight end position and Gronk and all these guys. There was Harold Carmichael, Keith Jackson, and Mark Bavaro well before them who changed the position. Point is it was not what it is today.

No, no. Today your tight ends have 85 catches. That's a different story than it used to be. And everybody's got one. Yeah. Mark Bavaro was the Giants tight end in the 80s who looks like a giant guinea bouncer. He's the most Italian-looking man ever. And he's just the toughest guy.

Look up his highlights. There's one where he literally has five men hanging off him, and he's still trudging down the field for yards. He's a monster. And there's this highlight of Parcells looking at him. He goes to the other coach. He goes, I'd hate to run into that Bavaro in a dark alley, huh? He's a stone-faced son of a bitch. That guy scares me.

It's like, that's awesome. Taylor would show up. He'd start showing up late for meetings. He'd not participate in conditioning drills and practice kind of as a protest. And then after the season, this is when Donald Trump buys the New Jersey Generals of the USFL, and he offers Trump a contract. Trump offers LT a contract because in New York, he's the biggest star there. So, I mean, that's a smart move if you want to have a team there.

He tried to basically, he signs the contract, but the problem is he wouldn't be playing in the USFL until 1988 because he's got the Giants contract. This is a future contract is what he signed basically. A six year, this ends up

getting him a big deal from the Giants. His contract renegotiated. Six years, $6.55 million contract. Nice fucking negotiations. That's good. That gets him a million-dollar interest-free loan. He also got a bunch of other shit in there, too, a bunch of extras and shit. But the thing is is that's what

the usfl did is it gave these nfl players bargaining power yeah there was no free agency yet so you had to kind of you know your bargaining power was limited but if you could just bounce out of the league and go to another league then it was they're fucked then and so they had to compete price wise so um yeah 1984 here's a guy named jerry sizemore who's a left tackle for the philadelphia eagles fry almost said phillies left tackle for the phillies played shortstop for the eagles um he played from 73 to 84 so a pretty good left tackle if he's in the league for that long. He says, my last year in the league, opening day of 1984 in Giant Stadium, he immediately got past me. LT, he means.

I sort of rolled and he tripped. He just looked at me and laughed. Right there, I thought I just have to get out of this game. He's like, I knew it was over right there. I can't even. I tripped the guy. That's my best defense. That's all I've got.

He said, there were many sleepless nights. You played New York twice a year. Toward the middle of the week, something would come over you and you'd just start sweating. What? Good God. I'm sweating on Wednesday for the game I'm going to play on Sunday. He said, we changed our entire blocking scheme because of him. We all had to know where

LT was and we all had to go for him. I'm glad that LT was on the left side and I was on the right side so I could play as long as I did. He was, I think, one of the fiercest competitors I've ever seen. For a long time, it was LT every day, every way. He was kind of like a Michael Jordan of football. That's just the will to crush you, and he's going to do it. And, yeah, dangerous. So LT here is Bill Parcells here talking about this, and Parcells has a lot of knowledge on him. He says, Joe Gibbs in a game in Giant Stadium basically decided

that Taylor wasn't going to make any plays. He put two tight ends on Taylor's side along with a left tackle and two wide receivers in the slot away from Taylor. So loaded up, three guys are going to block you, and we're going to dump quick to these guys. My blocking receivers, both of them on that side. So, yeah, they said that's obviously a pretty extreme way to go about it, but he said three guys would be blocking him,

so the Giants ended up winning the game because that helped, I'm sure, a lot. He said, though, Parcells, after the game, his stat line wasn't great, but he knew that that was the reason why they won was because everybody was on him. So the press saw that LT didn't have a sack and he didn't make many tackles. And they're asking Parcells, what's the matter with Lawrence Taylor? Did you watch the game? Yeah. Did you watch numbers?

Are you stupid? Yeah. So he said the next week we go out to San Diego to play the Chargers. Dan Henning is the coach. He saw the strategy and they do the same thing. Two tight ends on Lawrence, two wide receivers in the slot. Lawrence doesn't get a sack. We win again.

But after the game, everyone's asking me all over again, what's the matter with Lawrence? I grab Lawrence in the locker room and say to him, I'm going to change your first name from Lawrence to what's the matter with. Because they'd say, what's the matter with Taylor? So at practice the next week, he was, what's the matter with? What you doing over there? What's the matter with? Hey, what's the matter with? What you doing over there? What's the matter with?

Hey, what's the matter with? How come you're not making any plays? By Thursday, it's not funny to him. I mean, it's really not funny. That's fucking hilarious. But you want to piss him off. So I went out to my car and it was on fire. Yeah, I went out to my car and he's standing on top of it with a chainsaw and it's almost in half already he said the next day we have a game uh the next the next

game we have is against the vikings on monday night football tommy kramer is the quarterback they don't imply the strategy he knocks kramer out of the game causes two fumbles and recovers one of them i'm leaving the field walking down the tunnel toward the locker room for the press conference, and out of nowhere, this thing comes and jumps on my back. I didn't know he was coming. He basically knocks me over. He's still got his helmet on, sweat still pouring down his face. He comes right up into my face and hollers,

I'll tell you what, coach, they aren't going to ask what's the matter with. They aren't going to ask you what's the matter with. It's fucking crazy. Yeah. And now Parcells has two slipped discs for the rest of his life. Yeah, now he's got a neck problem. He said, that's why I loved him so much. He responded to anything that threatened his status.

That was it. If you're saying he's not the best, he'll fucking run through a wall. Let's just prove he is. And he'd take that chip on his shoulder and hang on to it until he proved it you know yeah which was never he's always going to be going still is yeah um he was asked later why is it so easy for you to sack the quarterback he said i'm not saying it's easy he said i would chase you to the end of the earth i love the contact i love the camaraderie with the guys.

I love the game of football. I love the challenge where I could challenge myself to be the best player out there. And every time I walked into that stadium, it was going to be 80,000 people in that sumbitch. And I knew for a fact that I was the baddest motherfucker in there. Why is it so awesome? Some bitch. When they're real. When they're real fucking people.

This is why you love LT. Because he said, and I knew for a fact that I was the baddest motherfucker in there. You want to hear a football player say that. They're living a life that you're not living. Right. And you're supposed to go, man, that's cool. Okay.

Because when you sit on your couch and you watch these guys play and you go, and you see somebody that's not good at it and you go, I can do that. I don't want that ever. I want to see somebody that i'm like i can't fucking do that that's amazing and i can separate on the field and off the field that's the thing i learned that from a young age being a giants fan in the 80s my dad loved the giants and lawrence taylor's getting busted for crack and all that nobody fucking but he could have been okay as long as he sacked joe montana he could have been shooting speedballs into his cock on sesame street and my father would have been fine with it he would have went don't shoot speedballs into your cock but that's

amazing that's what he would have said because that's how you believe you can do that that's that's incredible jesus christ um he also um uh one club executive said we were hearing that he had some a terrible drinking problem and a cocaine problem some of his teammates said they were scared to death to be with him in a car he drives like a maniac team goes nine and seven that year they make the playoffs they beat the rams in the wild card round then lose to the 49ers in the uh in the next round of the playoffs uh taylor has 11 and a half sacks he's second in defensive player of the year rankings you know pro bowler all that kind of shit plays all 16 games uh february uh 20th 1985 a court a judge orders

lawrence to pay 900 a month in child support to his ex-girlfriend there. Amazing. $11,000 for back payments and to purchase a house for his child. Oh. That costs between $70,000 and $90,000. That's a bit more. That's a lot. He's also ordered to pay $43,000 of her legal fees as well and the child's medical bills, private school tuition, and provide a $250,000 life insurance policy.

Yeah. LT agreed to all of that, but he's appealing to the order to pay the legal fees. He's like, she can pay or whatever. Can he put that house like in a trust for the kid rather than giving it to the woman? I'm not sure if we can litigate that 35 years later, but we can we can try to talk to a judge and find out. I'm not sure. I'll find out right now. Jimmy, let me get L.T. on the line. The crazy part is from that, the Lenny Dykstra episode to congratulate him for not getting arrested for a couple of years. We actually have LT's phone number.

We will not use it or, you know, give it out or abuse it in any way. It was given to us in trust to get a, you know, in a sacred trust to not do that. We never would. By a very reckless Lenny Dykstra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gave us so many people's numbers. Oh, God. we were calling him. Sarah's calling Doc Gooden. Hello,

Mr. Gooden. Yeah, I'm at a very nice restaurant. I'll call you right after. Never call back. Never call back. Thanks, Doc. That's funny. I'm not going to call you, sir. This is crazy. I can't believe I have your number. That's so fucking funny.

So this year, they beat San Francisco in the wild card round. They go 10-6 in the season. Beat San Francisco 17-3. Lose to the Bears. This is the 85 Bears. So they were a juggernaut. Lose to them 21-0. LT all 16 games.

He has 13 sacks. He's killing it. He's really two fumble recoveries. He's all over the fucking place everywhere. During that season, November 18th, 1985, is probably the most famous game of his career. One of the most famous games in Monday night football history, certainly. Football history, yeah. In football history here.

They're playing the Redskins, and this is the night that Joe Theismann's leg is snapped in half. This is the night that Joe Theismann never plays football again. No, he never did. He never did. And they said they were paranoid about him all week, all week. They said they have extra blockers. And Theismann said that, you know, maybe that'll slow him down at least an extra blocker. He came free too often.

And they said the week leading up to the game that week of practice they had practice and they had seminars on lawrence taylor this is what the offensive lineman every team he played they would have regular practice and meetings and then afterwards they'd all get together for special meetings on lawrence taylor just on him of what to do and how to play him so um theismann said, if you looked at our overhead projector or our chalkboard, all the other Giants players were X's and O's when the players are drawn out. Lawrence was the only one who had a number, 56. He was a little red 56, and the number was always highlighted and circled.

The goal was let's identify where Lawrence is on every play. So they said he moved around a lot to confuse the defense, and that would obviously do that. They said they were happiest when he came from his own right side on the quarterback's left. And Bill – that's coming from the blind side, obviously. Parcell said the big reason I put him over there is the right side is the quarterback's blind side,

since most quarterbacks are right-handed, and no one wants to get his ass knocked off from the back side. That's a good way to put it. Taylor said, why the hell would I want to come from where he could see me? That's what Taylor said. He said, it wasn't really called the blind side when I came into the league. It was called the right side. It soon became the blind side after I started knocking people's heads off.

Yeah. Okay. He said that at the start of the play, they said, you know, they'd look for him at the start of the play, this play. Theismann said, the play that happens against the Redskins.

He said, when I dropped back, the first thing I did, the first thing I still did was to glance over my shoulder to see if he was coming. If he was dropping back in coverage, a sense of calm came over me. If he was coming, I had a sense of urgency. So, yeah, he said that on this particular play, he didn't see him.

He said he just didn't see him. He lost sight of him. LT came around the side. And if you watch it, somebody else hits LT first, or hits Theismann first. Then LT grabs him, and this is the crazy part of it. It's not like a landing on him injury. Theismann has his feet planted into the ground, and he's trying to go in one direction while LT's trying to pull him over in the other. So Theismann's like hunkered down, hunched like when you're trying to really plow through

something. LT pulls him so fucking hard that the force of it snaps his fucking leg in half. He wish boned him. Yeah. He just said no and pulled him. And Theismann was going so hard the other way and LT pulled him so hard that way it snapped his leg. You know how strong those bones are that is just wrong so that's some pretty strong turf that the turf didn't give

yeah oh yeah no shit instead his fucking leg like a gunshot popped fucking man that was vicious so yeah um and theismann said that's you couldn't play like that you couldn't play worried all the time he said when a quarterback starts looking at the rush his career is over obviously so um yeah he said it was a big mess and uh if you watch the play it's immediately LT gets up he's got his hands on top of his helmet yeah and he's like jumping up and down and waving at the sidelines to come which is like, that's odd. You don't see that at LT. He wasn't talking shit or making little finger guns over him or anything.

It was bad. For a guy who wants to cause havoc and wants to hurt people, he doesn't want to end careers. That's kind of kind of him. He's got a little bit of a heart. Well, it's like Mike Tyson. Tyson would go in. He wants to take your head off. But then as soon as the bell rings, he comes over and hugs you and tells you how much of a wonderful person you are.

And maybe we'll go on vacation together next year. It's the same way LT was. It was after the game. It's all good. But during the game, I want to murder you. And if you live through it, maybe we'll have a beer later. But then at the sight of the actual murdering he yeah he didn't like it no he didn't like it i guess not um it's it's really gross too they showed it a hundred times and uh and he

literally murdered that man's career so the next day theismann remembers lt called him the next day in the hospital and he said joe how you doing and jose i just saw my mortgage uh and i'm fucked he said not very well yeah and taylor said why which is utterly fucking hilarious why i can't tell and uh theismann said why You broke both bones in my leg for crying out loud. And Taylor said, Joe, listen, I don't do things halfway. I got to go to practice. Talk to you later. And I'm like, okay, great.

But he did call. That's nice of him. Is that a call? That's not a call. He thought of him anyway. It's the thought that counts, I suppose. I don't know. I mean call that's not a call he thought of him anyway it's the thought that counts i suppose i don't know i mean that's a call is concerned about the situation there was zero concern that he was like doing a line of coke like head fuck doing a line of coke he had like a girl like with his ass in his face and he's like i got a bunch of other stuff going on joe i'll call you back he called joe to make sure that joe knew that he he does things a hundred percent a hundred

joe did i get both or just one god damn it just one damn it oh man so the washington post describes his off the field life at the time and this is 1986 here, 1985. He's got a wife, two children, lives in Upper Saddle River, New Jersey, has a $400,000 house, which is a lot back then. That's a big one. Has a Mercedes and a Beamer in the driveway, a beautiful landscape. He's got Dobermans there. He's got a live-in maid that does that and a live-in former teammate to look after the kids. He's got like a nanny. Awesome.

Yeah. So he's doing great. He's the highest paid defensive player at the time in NFL history. $750,000 he's making this year. $46,875 per game. And then his salary is going to go up from there. So he's doing great. He also has Arabian horses.

He's got cattle. He's got an interest in his agent's agency. He's got a house in Virginia, a hotel in New Jersey, an apartment complex in Southern California. He's doing well. Wow. They say at one point last year, he had between $400,000 and $500,000 in a New Jersey bank account, ready cash.

As for walking money, Taylor needs only to snap his fingers. In 1982, for example, he earned $37,500 for wearing a brand of shoes, which nowadays that's fucking $3 million. That's a steal. Yeah, this is pre-Jordans. He said $20,000 for endorsing a chewing tobacco. Imagine that a top player in one of the major sports leagues So he said $20,000 for endorsing a chewing tobacco. Imagine a top player in one of the major sports leagues endorsing a chewing tobacco nowadays.

Imagine that. I'm stunned that he did it in the 80s. He's the first guy since Ty Cobb to fucking do a chewing tobacco. Endorse fucking Redman? Wow. And $7,500 for signing autographs at a bar mitzvah. Okay. Not bad. But February 14th, 1986, everything kind of comes to a halt here

when he enters a six-week drug rehab program in Houston. Stays one week and leaves. So there you go. That says a lot. That's enough. That's enough. Now, the Giants general manager, George Young, he said that he fully expects to see Taylor at the minicamp next month, thinks he's going to be fine.

He said, Lawrence has got a setback right now, and he'll get as much support as we can give him. But he has to help himself. And right now, that's what he's doing. He's helping himself. You couldn't ask for anything more than that he's ready to go to a lot that's it march 20th 1986 he makes a public statement that he has received help for substance abuse and he is good now everything's fine 86 is the giants year. They were just a monster. They go 14-2 in the playoffs. They beat San Francisco 49-3.

Wow. That was when Jim Burtt broke Joe Montana in half. Joe Montana goes back to two different playoff games that the Giants beat the Niners in that time period, then in 1990, where Montana was knocked out for a year.

Both times. He got knocked out for the whole 87 season. He was knocked out for a year both times he got knocked out for the whole 87 season it was knocked out for the whole 91 season too but this is Jim Burt drills him in the chest and Joe Montana just kind of goes off his feet for a little bit and then just lands like kind of on the ground in an like if you drop somebody I don't know from a helicopter they might land like that like kind of on his back crumpled over with his legs over him and broke his back. Just broke his back. Broke his. Look it up.

Jim Burtt, 86 playoffs. He just fucking you could see you go, oh, that would break my back, too. Holy shit. It looked brutal. Brutal. Then they beat Washington 17 nothing in the NFC championship game. So through the playoffs, they gave up three points. Unbelievable. Then they beat Washington 17-0 in the NFC Championship game. So through the playoffs, they gave up three points.

Unbelievable. They beat their opponents 66-3 to get to the Super Bowl. And they went to the Super Bowl against the Bills, right? Denver. Denver. This is 86. Denver. This is the Broncos. Did they beat the Bills, too?

Yeah. Yeah. The Bills never won a Super Bowl. But I mean, they beat the Bills in another Super Bowl? Later. Is that right? 90. That was the 90 season.

Okay, got it. So 86 season is Denver. They beat Denver 39-20. Not bad. Lawrence Taylor is MVP of the NFL that year. Is that right? Which is difficult as a defensive player. They tend to give that to quarterbacks or somebody like that.

Yeah, he has 20.5 sacks that year. Holy shit. Killing it. Defensive player of the year, MVP, you name it. Greatest thing in the world. Super Bowl champions. Everybody's happy. Grace.

Definitely, that's going to be Grace there. Definitely. 87, team goes 6-9. It's a strike season again. That's what Suge Knight played that year. Not for the Giants, for the Rams, but that was a lot of weird people played. So he plays in 12 games, has 12 sacks in 12 games. Not too shabby there.

LT said, there's a sack, and then there's a sack, with an exclamation point. He said, you run up behind the quarterback, he doesn't see you. You put your helmet in his back. Wrap yourself around him. Throw him to the ground. Wow. He said, I'm not invincible. When people see me, they only see the football side.

I'm not filled with anger and meanness. I have feelings. I'm mad. I'm happy. I have every type of emotion. Okay. I'm not a robot. I'm a person.

Every type of emotion. Okay. I'm not a robot. I'm a person. The giant strength coach, Johnny Parker, he said that LT could have been even better if he had applied himself. See, that's the difference. Like Michael Jordan is a worker. LT's not a worker.

He's a I'm going to show up and fuck shit up and don't need to do anything after that. So if he had. Yeah, and enjoy this if this guy had the like workout yeah kind of a thing no drugs working out eating right oh my god it would have been even worse um but they said that he rarely participated in off-season workouts the coach said that taylor lifted weights only three or four times and that was just like in a whole the whole off-season he said that resulted in him being fined. Uh, the coach said,

Lawrence has a role to play. He wants people to think it's all natural. God given before the season, we were running 330 yard sprints. He was gasping afterward. He said, I've always wanted to train. I just could never make myself do it.

Um, he said lifting weights would help him more than anyone else on the Giants. He can lift weights for one hour and derive more strength and speed than others will in six days. He's just that much of an athlete. He's a freak. Yeah. He said, think of the dramatic impact that would have on the league. It isn't that Lawrence is a lazy person.

He just has a short attention span. Look, I see his point. Why should he kill himself if he can already dominate people? I fight him, but I can't win. That's the thing. It's hard to tell. When you guys, the MVP defensive player of the year, killing everything, it's hard to go,

listen, you could be even better. He's like, I'm pretty fucking good, and I'm having fun. I'm not waking up at 5 a.m. to be 2% better. Fuck you. I did everything last season. They gave me a ring for it, and I did nothing outside of that. It was great. I just did coke and prostitutes and hookers.

It was great. And strippers and anything else I could find. Anybody, any woman I could find that's willing to be scantily clad around me, I paid them for sex probably. So, 1980 appears in the HBO television show First and Ten. Remember that? The football. Do I remember that? It's like a drama.

Oh. It's pretty bad. Is it acting? Yeah, it's Debo's in it. Oh, my God, no. It's about a football team in L.A. I liked it as a kid because it was kind of dirty. It had drugs and sex and tits in it.

That's why I like Darlis. Yeah, yeah. He played Tombstone Packer. The names they give him in every acting role are hilarious, by the way. Keep track of them. Tombstone Packer. He would appear in five different episodes through 1991, so he's a recurring character on there. there uh august 29th 1988 he is given a gift from the league a 30-day four days a 30-day four-game suspension for his second violation of the nfl's drug abuse policy for cocaine

they caught him with drugs again caught him doing coke again so there he is uh that season team goes 10 and 6 he plays in 12 games because he's suspended for four of them. Has 15 and a half sacks in 12 games. Jesus. As well. So does very well. March 25th, 1989, though, comes around after the season. 3.30 a.m. I think you know where this is going. Oh, Lawrence.

This is great. Police find him asleep behind the wheel of his Jeep, just sitting on the side of the Garden State Parkway in New Jersey asleep at the wheel. So they're like, that's odd. That's different. State's police sergeant Robert Kenyon said that the trooper Robert Pohita was on patrol when he saw a 1989 Jeep parked on the shoulder of the Garden State Parkway near Saddlebrook in Bergen County just before 3.30 a.m. He said, it just happened to be LT. I guess he was going home.

Where else would he be going at that hour? Well, with LT, who knows? They said LT failed a breathalyzer test, although he declined to say what the exact results were, which I think we have them actually here. And it was issued and was issued a summons for DUI or DWI. He was taken to the state police barracks where he was also given a urine test, then released on his own recognizance here. So Taylor said, I didn't think I didn't. Oh, he said, I didn't drink enough to get drunk.

I drank enough to get sick. His story is he just didn't feel good and was just kind of resting in his car. He wasn't passed out drunk. He just drank weird shit and he got a bellyache? Well, here's what happened. Okay. Cop comes, knocks on the window.

He's asleep in the car, opens the window. There's puke everywhere. He's sleeping in the back of his car with throw up on him and he smells like booze so guess what that's a drunk guy that's a drunk guy last time i checked but he said he just happened to be ill and threw up not because of the booze because he was ill i can handle my alcohol i'm fine i'm fine he said he'd been bowling till about 11 30 p.m and then quote had a family argument okay he said i decided to storm out of the house that's a hilarious line i decided to storm out of the house he said i had a couple of drinks i pulled over and i was really getting sick so he

ran out went to the strip club um he insisted, though, that he's not drunk. And he says the police breathalyzer proved it. He said, I didn't do anything wrong. I'm keeping straight. I'm all right. You're asleep with puke all over yourself on the side of the highway after you stormed out of your house at 3.30 in the morning to go drinking. I know how this works. Yeah. Exactly how it is. Taylor then showed the Associated Press a copy of the breathalyzer report, which showed his readings at two different readings of.09.

Okay. Which, not in New Jersey in 1989, it was.10 back then. So he said, see, I'm not drunk. The definition of drunk here is.1. I'm fine. I'm fine. He said, I don't worry about whether I'll get suspended. I can't be talking about in the league. He said he also disputed the police contention that he was asleep, saying he was just lying across the seat trying to recover from vomiting when the police arrived. He said, I don't know if it was food poisoning or drink poisoning or what, or booze. He sent a urine sample in, by the way, and he's saying that he told police that if it comes back clean,

which it will, then he's going to plead innocent to all the charges. And they told him that charges will be dropped if it comes back clean for drugs, his urine test. He said, the only crime I've done is throwing up in my truck. So give me the death penalty. Then he said, they didn't fingerprint me. They didn't take my picture. I thought they understood it was all a misunderstanding. Then I'm driving to the airport and I hear Lawrencerence taylor was arrested for drunk driving it's a lie

the drug test results come in and they come back clean of drugs actually just booze uh the state police captain said there were no drugs in his system so they said we felt in all fairness mr tay to Mr. Taylor, the tests should be done immediately. And they did that and said that. Yeah. Now, state police also have the option of still charging you whether or not you're drunk, different people handle booze differently. Exactly. You can put somebody in a cell based on their lack of ability. Yeah, totally. So the giants are saying that he's been participating in his program and he's been doing drug counseling and he's been cooperating.

So we think he'll be fine. This should all blow over. They said it's been doing drug counseling and he's been cooperating. So we think he'll be fine. It just should be. This should all blow over. They said it's not a drug related incident, just an isolated alcohol case. They called it. Alcohol is drugs, isn't it? No, no. Just an isolated.

No, Jimmy. No, no, no. He's fine. Jesus Christ. What are you trying to put the guy behind the eight ball here? He's good. He needs to get out on the field. Shut the fuck up about it.

So he said, this is the Giants. They said, obviously, we are sad that the situation even occurred. But there is a silver lining. It shows Lawrence's rehabilitation program is working because he didn't have drugs in his system. Fascinating. They use the word silver. Yeah, silver. It's a silver lining as he ran his hands through his hair.

His speaking with the media Friday shows that he's taken responsibility for his actions, which is an objective of the program. They said, isn't it great that he got a DUI? This means that he's not a coke head now. Drugs are better than alcohol. They just spun it as a positive. alcoholics are terrible fuck what am i saying i can't even say it right the alcoholic is the one we give a pass to the junkie we don't want around yeah no he now he's just a drunk it's fine now see may 10th may 10 1989, he is acquitted of drunk driving charges.

Is that right? They threw it out. Going free. Free man. Oh, boy. He's going free bird LT, baby. Woo! 89, Giants go 12-4 that year.

We're very good, but they lose in the divisional round of the playoffs to the Rams when fucking Mark Collins makes a dumb pass interference. I'll never forget this shit. It happened so long ago. He made a goddamn stupid pass interference play that brought the – I was fourth, I think fourth and 12 or something, and he makes a fucking pass interference 30 yards up the field, and the Rams go on and score and win the game.

I was pissed. Was Collins a young guy at the time? He'd been around a few years. He was the standard corner. He shouldn't have fucking – yeah, long enough to standard corner he shouldn't have fucking yeah long enough to not do that shit i don't even think it was a good call though too i think it was kind of a shit call if i remember correctly i watched the steelers game yesterday they they got they they had the panthers to fourth and 27 and then one of the players ran over to the

panthers huddle and started talking shit, and they flagged him for, I don't know, taunting him. On sportsmanlike conduct. Yeah, I think that's what it was. And then they gave him first and 10 because of it. They had him at fourth and 27. I'm telling you, man, stupid. Dumb young players, man. You can dumb yourself out of a lot in football very easily.

So this year, all 16 games, he has 15 sacks so again crushing it pretty good 1990 september he gets a new contract oh boy makes him the highest paid defensive player in the national football league three years five million dollars he said i feel pretty good yeah no shit you do he said's low today, man. Jesus. Oh, it's nothing today. Back then. What a steal.

He wanted a three-year $5.5 million contract. They were negotiating, he said. But he said he had to compromise because, quote, I look kind of stupid bitching over money I'd be making because it's pretty good money. I plan to put aside my pride for a while and look at the big picture. The big picture says my teammates and my coaches and a lot of fans deserve to have good football played. So I'm going to go play it. So there you go.

Season, Giants go 13-3 for 1990. And in the playoffs, they crush the Bears 31-3. They beat San Francisco 15-13 in one of the best games in championship history. That was incredible. That's where Leonard Marshall broke Joe Montana in pieces, and he was out for a whole year. You love Joe Montana in pieces. I love getting him because he was so – he just never got hit.

And so if someone hit him, it was like, yes, finally. And he was so wholesome. He was so, he just never got hit. And so if someone hit him, it was like, yes, finally. And it was so wholesome. He was so good. He was so fucking good. He was in the clutch in the fourth quarter. His passes had touch. He was just an asshole, and he was so slippery. When LT would come in, watch LT's highlights.

All of his highlights of sacking Joe Montana, Montana just falls to the ground when LT's near him. He literally just falls down he doesn't even try he just covers the ball and falls he doesn't want to get hit and on this particular play montana's rolling to his right to over pass the hash mark and everything lt is running to like meet him and montana just stops and lt runs in front of him. And when he stopped, he like had his little hands up like, Oh, oopsie.

Is he almost said, oopsie as LT ran by. And just as he did that stop short, Leonard Marshall's 300 pound frame came from the back with his helmet right in the, in the Montana and his back. And it's just the ball flew out. His helmet went into the grass.

He had big chunks of grass in his helmet, and he was out for a year and a half. It was beautiful. Oopsied him. Oopsie. He oopsied him good. I'm going to call him oopsie from now on, Joe Montana. Oh, look, it's oopsie.

And then he got even bigger oopsied. Oh, he got oopsied hard. then they go on to this is buffalo's first super bowl here where they beat the bills 20 to 19 on scott norwood's missed field goal there and uh great game from the giants they bills were a better team and they just ground them into the into dust the bills like a lot of people joke about how bad they were they were so fucking good. Who goes to four straight Super Bowls? Who dominates their conference for four straight years?

Regardless, win or lose the Super Bowl, that's fucking amazing. That's incredible. Ten and a half sacks for Lawrence that year. February 5th, 1991, right after the season. So they won the Super Bowl, and then he's arrested immediately. right after the season so they won the super bowl and then he's arrested immediately um this is for criminal property damage for getting in an altercation with a taxi driver this is a few hours after the pro bowl in honolulu he gets off okay a woman puts a lay around his neck yeah everybody's calm the ocean breeze is coming.

And before you know it, he is fighting with a fucking cab driver in the street. And this is his car hit the cab. The cab driver got out of the car, kicked LT's car, then climbed onto the hood of LT's car and threatened him with a metal pipe. You're allowed to beat the shit out of that guy, right? Well, that's the thing. Well. This cab driver beat the shit out of that guy, right? Well, that's the thing. Well, he didn't beat the shit out of this cab driver. Imagine. Okay.

Imagine you're a cab driver. You're on the road. You know what I mean? You're amped up. You think I'm going to kick this guy's ass and Lawrence fucking the scariest man. The only one worse would have been if Mike Tyson out yeah to scare the living shit out of you essentially so you'd be like oh no he had to know as soon as lawrence got out oh god is that a dangly light uh i'm in deep shit and there's no there's no point in running he'll catch you

you almost got to try to talk him down at that point running backs can't outrun him sometimes a fat cab he doesn't have a fucking chance oh so lt just fucking goes up to the guy and rips the pipe out of his hands give me that motherfucker like this guy had no chance then he continues to take the metal pipe and beat the rear end of the cab with it he starts fucking beating it with the the metal pipe. The cab driver was charged with misdemeanor terroristic threatening and criminal property damage, and LT was charged with criminal property damage. Really? That is amazing.

Yeah, that is fucking amazing. I'll bet if he took that metal baton and just beat the shit out of the cabbie, he's charged with nothing. Nothing. It would have been self-defense. The guy jumped on his hood. Lunatic thing to do uh june 21st 1991 a son is born brandon yeah brandon 1991 season bill parcells leaves ray hanley takes over and the giants go right into the shitter very very hard they're eight and eight that year it's not good He appears 1992 in the TV show Tropical Heat. What is that?

Nick Slaughter, an ex-RCMP and DEA agent who dropped out of society after being fired from his job, relocates to the Florida town of Key Moriah to start a detective service. In the process, he meets local travel agent

Sylvie Gerard, and they form a strong partnership and quite the detective team. However, the local police squad never makes it easy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Stars Rob Stewart and Carolyn Dunn. I hate it already. Yeah, it's on for like three years, too. Really?

It's a 7.7 out of 10 on IMDb. Really? With a lot of ratings, too. People seem to like this fucking show. It's a 7.7 out of 10 on IMDb. Really? With a lot of ratings, too. People seem to like this fucking show. LT appears in two different episodes over two seasons as different people. He's Dallas Jones in one and DJ Littlefield in the other. Okay, so he's part of Investigation once and then he is the Investigation. And then they're looking for him there.

Yeah, he's probably like a hired guy they hired to do some sort of surveillance on another one some demolitions guy or something yeah seasoned better investigative work than we do he's rba barracus season the giants go six and ten they're fucking god awful and uh it gets worse for lt is after the in the 10th game of the season or ninth game of the season he ruptures his achilles tendon oh yeah this was terrible i mean for a speed guy to rupture your achilles that's yeah that's it pretty much i mean you see guys rupture their achilles and come back and play we're like dan marino and vinnie testaverti who were statues before they you couldn't tell the difference you know yeah you rarely come back much better no you know I remember him he was still they were still

double teaming him even after his Achilles was torn he still got double teamed on every fucking play though but before this he had only missed four games due to injury in his whole career LT does not want to ever come out there's a famous story that Bill Parcells tells about L.T. got a bad concussion in one game. Real bad. His head on the turf and got a terrible concussion. And they had to hide his helmet so he wouldn't go back in the game. They literally had to take his helmet and bring it back in the locker room and hide it because he fucking so fucked up. He was out there. Yeah. He was trying to come back in the game and he was like, where's my fucking? And he was just trying to come back in. They were like, hide his fucking helmet. There's another one where they showed he tore his whole bicep and shoulder muscle apart on one play. And they just went and strapped it down and he played the rest of the game like nobody's. He had two sacks. It was crazy. He's a fucking menace to society.

I mean, Coke helps. Yeah, it does. 1993, in his final year of the NFLfl he starts a company called all pro products it went public at five dollars a share so this is like crazy shit and tripled in value during its first month the stock price reached a height of 1650 a share his stake it was worth over 10 million bucks at that point in it problem is right after that the company ceased production and Taylor who didn't sell his stock lost several hundred thousand dollars instead of making a shitload of money problem is he got

defrauded by several members of the Hanover Sterling, which is a penny stock scam firm. It's like a Wolf of Wall Street operation, basically. So, yeah, they said that they had sold the – they short sold the company's stock, which made it worthless. They just fucked him. That's all it was. So the SEC ruled that two traders had manipulated the price of the. And, yeah, so there you go. And they got in trouble for it.

So 93 is when he said he first tried crack as opposed to Coke. And he loved it. Oh, God, where have you been all my life? Oh, sweet crack, where have you been all my life? Crack. Crack. In the next few years, there will be times where he says he's smoking an ounce of crack a day. A day.

A day. An ounce of crack. An ounce. Think about that. Holy shit, man. That is obscene. That's an obscene amount of crack. Crack.

Crack. Smoking an ounce of crack a day. You've never heard a positive story. You've never heard somebody say life was terrible and then I smoked crack and then it got so good. I've never heard anyone with a three-pack-a-day crack habit either. This is crazy. An ounce of crack. That's so much.

So much crack. You'd have to be smoking it like as you're driving. You go to the bank to do some business. Smoking crack. Yeah. Sir, can I take your take your order just a second let me finish this crack no you know what never mind i'm smoking crack so i'm gonna be doing this for a while i'll just i'll just take the crack you know i'm good here so uh during the season dan reeves takes over his coach in 93 if you remember he left den Denver. A little beef with Elway there. Team goes 11-5 in the playoffs. They beat the Vikings 17-10, and then they get crushed by the 49ers 44-3.

That was the year the 49ers would beat the shit out of the Chargers in the Super Bowl. So they were pretty damn good. This year, LT post-Achilles had six sacks in 15 games. I saw a game this year. I went to the Cardinals-Giants game this year, I believe, and post-Achilles, and he was still getting double teamed. Old and with a torn Achilles, there's still always two guys on him. Always.

And the Cardinals likely did that because uh every quarterback they had is just meat to him yeah that's what it is they were all terrible if they lose this one they're really fucked and i saw this game the giants won on a last second field goal by brad delviso not last second last because then they kicked off and they had to uh the cardinals had like, you know, two plays to go 80 yards and couldn't do it. So that was that. So he announces his retirement after the season

and says, I think it's time for me to retire. I've done everything I can do. I've been to Super Bowls. I've been to playoffs. I've done things that other people haven't been able to do in this game before. After 13 years, it's time for me to let go. So fascinating. There you go. John Madden, about been able to do in this game before after 13 years it's time for me to let go so fascinating there you go john madden about him he's seen quite a bit of football john madden i would say

maybe the premier uh voice on it he said lawrence taylor defensively has had as big an impact as any player i've ever seen he changed the way defense is played the way pass rushing is played the way linebackers play and the way offenses block linebackers. He just changed everything for the coaches. In an interview about his career, they said, did you ever think about how much better you could have been if you didn't have the drug issues? And he said, quote, that's hearsay how much better I could have been, you know? No, that's not what hearsay means, number one, at all.

Speculation would be what you're saying, not hearsay. Did you hear somebody say that? Did you hear somebody say that, then tell me about it? Because that's not admissible in a court of law, pal. So he's dumb? He said, issues define my lifestyle. That issues define my lifestyle is a very good way to put it. There's always something going on.

It seemed like once when I get in trouble for something, I just played better. He had to prove it. 1994, he's in an episode of Married with Children as himself. Oh, really? Yes, he is. That's when Married with Children was dying through that period. Was Kelly dating him and it pissed off uh dad probably shit kelly was like 30 by then she said yeah cal get married i don't care move out of the house are

you 30 you're a senior in high school in 87 so we got problems you need to go yeah this is crazy um 1995 he's in the show coach. Remember with Craig T. Nelson there? He plays himself as well in that. And then he worked some TV jobs. He worked as an analyst for TNT Sunday Night Football, which only lasted a couple years. Turner Network bought football rights. What? TNT.

Yeah. They had football for a minute there on Sunday nights. Not just the Falcons? not just the falcons not just the falcons no and so he's an announcer for them or a football analyst a color guy then in march of 1995 yeah he is the main event in wrestlemania 11 what yes he is yes he is they do an angle where bam bam bigelow comes out of the ring after losing a match it was i think the royal rumble they did it where he comes out of the ring and there's a bunch of nfl players in the front row they're all hanging out they're all laughing at him so he

gets mad and shoves lawrence taylor so lawrence taylor's trying to fight him and the football players are trying to hold him back and so there's this big thing and Lawrence Taylor is going to fight Bam Bam Bigelow. God damn it. So this is when Vince McMahon the steroid trial was going on. This is the absolute low point for wrestling popularity right here. Low point. So they

needed anything to spike WrestleMania. I believe this WrestleMania was in Connecticut. It's in north the northeast lt is an icon yeah he's known as a bad motherfucker let's put lt in the ring with bam bam bigelow and now they had all the legitimate press all the sports press showed up when he did a press conference about it so it became a big thing this is a terrible wrestlemania probably the worst of all time um but for a football player who never wrestled a fucking match before just he did a goddamn good job like even all the wrestlers said

like obviously if he you know if he was a worker they've been working for 10 years they'd expect better out of him but for a guy literally in his first wrestling match in front of anybody and his first wrestling match is the main anybody and his first wrestling match is the main event of wrestlemania which is crazy right away you know what i mean most of these guys their first match was in front of 100 people somewhere but that's how big his goddamn name is he could do anything at this point that's athletic and people are going to come watch he was afterwards he was all fucking they had to like carry him back to the locker room because he was all blown up i mean the wrestling's a different cardio right you could be a world-class top-notch athlete and get in the

ring with a 400 pound guy and after 10 minutes he's not even sweating and you'd be dying that's just because it's a different cardio you can maybe run five miles but he can do this and you can't so um listen to this wrestlemania first match lex luguger and the British Bulldog beating Jacob and Eli Blue. Who? Exactly. The Blue Brothers. They were the Ron and Don Harris are their names. It's a couple of big identical twin wrestlers who are huge.

I feel like they could have done more with identical twin giant people. I can't believe I don't know who they are. Yeah, that seems like a pretty good angle yeah um luger and british bulldog this is before luger went to wcw this is why he left because he's opening wrestlemania in a tag team match against the fucking blue brothers uh razor ramon beats jeff jarrett by disqualification the undertaker beats king kong bundy yikes bundy came back with eyebrows now and it was was like, what's going on? Now you have eyebrows.

This is weird. Owen Hart and Yokozuna beat the Smoking Guns, Billy Gunn and Bart Gunn. Jesus. This is bad stuff. See what I'm saying? Bret Hart beat Bob Backlund by submission in a boring match because Bob Backlund was boring at that point. Yeah. Diesel beat Shawn Michaels.

Diesel had Pamela Anderson in his corner, whereas Shawn Michaels had Jenny McCarthy in his corner. What is this, a battle of who's got the hottest chick? It was. We're the cool guys. And then main event, Lawrence Taylor in his corner, Carl Banks, Ricky Jackson, Steve McMichael, who will later be a wrestler, Mongo McMichael, Ken Norton Jr., Chris Spielman, and Reggie White. Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor hanging out together is the strangest fucking combination ever. We're going to do some coke.

I'll be praising the Lord while you'll be doing coke. Sounds good. What a weird that's a fascinating group of athletes those are some tough son of a bitches in that group ricky jackson steve mcmichael ken norton jr his fucking father beat muhammad ali for christ's sake you know what i mean tough man played for the niners right yeah he played for the cowboys for cowboys yeah and niners uh chris spielman who was tough shit, too, that Lions middle linebacker. And then Reggie White is Reggie goddamn White.

He's a monster. Bam Bam Bigelow had King Kong Bundy, Ted DiBiase, Kama, Erwin R. Scheister, Tatanka, and Nikolai Volkov in his corner. That quite is impressive. Was this the beginning of bringing NFL athletes into the WWE? No, they did that for years. Well, a lot of ex-football players became wrestlers. That's what they used to do. But the more famous ones, they really started it in WrestleMania II in 86

because the Battle Royal had William the Refrigerator Perry in it when he was popular, Bill Fralick. It had a bunch of – Too Tall Jones was in it. There was like, I want to say, 10 football players in that battle royale. Makes sense because the front line, that's all they're doing is wrestling down there. And, I mean, look at some of the bigger guys. Bill Goldberg, ex-Atlanta Falcons player, became a big star. A lot of these kind of washout football players.

My knee's too fucked up for football, but it's just fine for wrestling kind of a thing. September 4th, 1995 is, first of all, 94, the Giants retired Lawrence Taylor's jersey in 94. 95, they retire Phil Sims' jersey. So what they do is they have a

halftime celebration. I believe it was Monday Night Football, the opening game of the year. They have the big halftime celebration, and they got Sims and LT comes out, too, to the field because they're in the blue honor thing. So Sims says, I'll throw you a pass to LT. So now LT's committed to catching this pass on national television. You know what I mean?

He doesn't catch balls. How about I sack you? Let's do that. How about you stand there and see if you can what i mean so doesn't catch balls how about i sack you let's do that yeah how about you stand there and see if you can run away from me sims said all of a sudden it kind of hit me i've put lawrence in a really tough spot national tv he's got dress shoes on and a sport jacket and he's even had a few beers and he's got to run down the field i'm gonna throw him a pass this is a bad idea yeah he said that he told him to run 30 to 40 yards. Oh, my God.

What? Really good. And he did. He threw the ball, and Taylor said that that was the more nervous than he'd ever been on any play in his whole career. I believe it. He said, I'm saying to myself as the pass is being thrown, if I drop this pass, I got to run my black ass all the way back to Upper Saddle River because there ain't no way I'm going to be able to stay in that stadium. Pure embarrassment.

He did catch the pass, though. Oh, phew. They went crazy. And Sims threw a nice pass. Hit him right in the fucking. It was nice. He also worked as a color commentator on the FX show Tough Man. Remember the Tough Man series they had in the 90s?

Competition? It was called tough man it was on fx and they just have a half hour of tough man fights like the tough man contests like in a bar like that sort of thing they'd have that every week it was a show i remember for a while he was a commentator on there uh september 20th 1995 he apparently took the tough man thing a little too seriously as he's hanging around the Giants complex, the training complex. And after a practice, which he did not participate in because he's not a player anymore, he choked a reporter. Why did you do that?

Not sure. April 16th, 1996, his driver's license is suspended for outstanding parking tickets in Newark, New Jersey. He's just parking it wherever he wants? Don't care. May 3rd, 1996, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. He is arrested for trying to buy $100 worth of crack from an undercover police officer while in town for a celebrity golf tournament. Celebrity golf.

I need crack. Yup. He was one of 15 people arrested, or 17 it turns out. He was at a crack house and it got fucking raided. Yeah, they said the arrests were videotaped. The police captain said he made no comment about who

he was and he didn't give us any problems. Yeah, don't want anybody to fucking know. Taylor asked the Sun News he was and he didn't give us any problems yeah they don't want anybody to fucking know well that's a taylor asked the uh he asked the sun news of myrtle beach the press found out and came and he said is this going to be in the newspapers what do you think lawrence yeah well my name is charles baggins he told them quote you don't know what i'm going through you don't know what i'm going through and he said he had a lot of personal problems that led up to the incident he said in new york they're calling me a deadbeat dad nobody loves their kids more than i do my whole world seems like it's in the toilet well it's

going to be in the toilet now yeah you guys are fucking killing me man it's a hundred dollars worth of crack let me go well they once he got released from jail he autographed footballs and pictures at the uh yesterday's nightlife which is called it's a celebrity auction um that helps i don't know some charity um yeah and also the general manager of the yachtsman hotel where he was staying said that taylor was still planning to play in the golf tournament on Saturday. So it's all good. The court agrees to drop the charges if he agrees to do 60 hours of public service. Deal. Deal.

Done. He also enters a drug program as well here. He enrolled in a pretrial intervention program that would help wipe the charges if he completed it. Yeah, 60 hours of community service, random drug testing, and drug rehabilitation. There we go. So, he was starting out his community service

in Myrtle Beach where he was scheduled to speak to about 70 students about drug tests. Or about drug abuse. June 4th, 1997 pleads guilty to filing a false income tax return in 1990. Oh, Lawrence, what?

Failing to report $48,000 in income from the now-defunct LT Sports Club in East Rutherford, New Jersey. It was his bar. Probably forgot. Come on. Yeah, he's not good at accounting. I can't picture Lawrence Taylor with the green visor and little reading glasses down at the end of his nose, punching up numbers on an adding machine going, this just isn't adding up. We need more write-offs, everybody.

Come on. A cigarette burns in an ashtray. He's not even smoking it. Let's be fiscally responsible, people. Seriously. Jesus. He's a crackhead, Your Honor. Well, in 1998, he proves that by appearing in the

water boy as himself talking about smoking crack so he's at least got a sense of humor he probably was smoking crack right then right i probably that might have been is he done that might have been right after he got out of rehab actually we're not sure so he might have been right after he got out of rehab, actually. We're not sure. Or he needed the money for a crack. We're not sure. May 13, 1998, he is arrested in his home in a roundup of deadbeat parents. They just did a big warrant search. He was released after 10 hours in jail when a friend paid $6,000 in child support and for an outstanding traffic violation they're like oh you have another warrant too so good we got you twice all these parking tickets and dead

beat the worst the lowest of the low offenses that's so shitty at least he didn't diddle any kids yet yeah so october 19th 1998 he's arrested again also in florida here uh or this is this time in florida before it was south carolina for buying 50 worth of crack from an undercover cop and possessing drug paraphernalia right after saying don't do jesus fucking christ man right after the water boy and everything uh members of the saint pete a saint pete beach Special Response Team entered his hotel room shortly after 2 a.m. and arrested him and Victoria Corey, who was identified as an employee of LT Enterprises. Yeah. My cock is an enterprise right now.

We're going to do coke off it. So, yeah, he's posted a $15,000 bond there, $50 worth of crack from an undercover officer. Excellent. Nice work. The Sandpiper Resort Hotel. Oh, in St. Pete? In St. Pete Beach, yeah. So there he is.

Holy Jesus Christ. He said, I don't plan on coming back that way unless I'm going to play golf. Yeah. Stay away from clear water. Now, he talks later on, he'll talk about this. In a 2004 interview, he'll talk about this time. And he says, I think this is the time for an in their own words here. What do you say, Jimmy? I think an in their own words would be appropriate. In their own words, quote, I saw Coke as the only bright spot in my future. I had gotten really bad.

I mean, my place was almost like a crack house. Not where you sold it, but I had a lot of stuff in my house. What the fuck is that? It was a hell of an expensive party, let me tell you. I believe it. He said that he was spending in 2000, or at that time, he was spending $1,000 a day on escort services and often calling six prostitutes a day. Oh, my God. So this is crack and sex. He needs that input.

It's crazy, though, because when you do that much, you can't even come. What's the point, man? That's why he needs six of them. That one's not working. I need a different one. For him, it's, yeah, he would blame her, not him. It's got to be her. So November 1998, he declares Chapter 7 bankruptcy four days after entering drug rehab in New Jersey.

Not going well. That lifestyle is unsustainable. He's over $350,000 in debt at this point. Oh, God. And now, 1999, he appears in Any Given Sunday, the very large Oliver Stone movie, as Luther Shark LeVay.

Luther LeVay, the chainsawing guy. Does two months of drug rehab. Okay. I was taking that of drug rehab. Okay. He's taking it serious. Yeah. And then August of 1999, he had to clean up because he's got to make a public appearance. He is inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Wow. And there was a lot of reporters who were like, well, he shouldn't be able to do it. He gets arrested for crack. It's a shut the fuck up. Ask Joe Theismann if he should be in the Hall of Fame. Shut up. crack it's a shut the fuck up ask joe theismann if he should be in the hall of fame shut up there's not a player on that field who wouldn't say that especially if he was in the room they wouldn't say that so let him in the hall of fame he's asking everybody that's ever been on the

field with him at the same time i guarantee they agree so him uh eric dickerson ozzy newsome the all-time that's another i forgot aboutzie Newsome, the all-time. That's another. I forgot about Ozzie Newsome. All-time great tight end, pass-catching tight end for the Browns, too, from that period. Tom Mack, Billy Shaw. So good class he goes in with. No doubt.

2000, he is in Shaft. The Shaft remake as Lamont. Samuel Jackson? Yeah, he's Lamont in that. And also appears on the Jamie Foxx show as some doing something there, uh, appears in Arliss as himself that year. Awesome.

What a show. Yeah. Does the movie mercy streets as Dan is mercy street stars, Eric Roberts. And, uh, let me, let me pitch this one to you,

Jimmy. Let me give you the old elevator pitch here. Here's the thing about Eric Roberts. If he's in the movie, it's probably not a good movie. Pope of Greenwich Village is excellent. The Dark Knight's a good movie, too, though, but he's barely in it. Is he a lot in the Pope? Yeah, he's one of the main.

It's him and Mickey Rourke are the two main characters. There's another guy. Like, if he's in it, I'm almost out. It's a real dark, dirty, like, early 80s New York street movie. It's a good movie, actually. You should check it out if you haven't seen it. He's so bad. He's such a terrible actor.

Yeah, he goes away and comes back. Estranged twin brothers, one a con man, the other an Episcopal deacon, accidentally switch places and find God in the process. Oh, boy. Eric Robertson, LT? Holy shit.

Twin brothers, Jimmy. Twin brothers. Yeah. 2002, he's a voice in Grand Theft Auto Vice City. Is he really? Fuck yeah. He's B.J. Smith there.

vice city is he really fuck yeah he's bj smith there so uh uh then he appears on a tv show called body and soul which looks fucking terrible um it's he he plays fury crenshaw which is a terrible name to give him here's the description on this show dr rachel griffin returns from the far east planning on incorporating alternative medicine with traditional practices. Her mentor, Dr. Isaac Braun, is skeptical, and administrator Quentin Bremmer outright hostile. That's the show. It's crazy that that gets made.

Are you shitting me? That's the show. That's the show, and we don't have a small-town murder TV show, but that's a show. Okay. Small-town murder. Yeah, no one would's a show. Okay. Small town murder. Yeah, no one would watch a show called Small Town Murder.

That would do terrible on a fucking, on a streamer. Yeah, okay. That is unbelievable. Keep your eyes out, though. Somebody pitched that, and they were like, fuck yes. Fuck yes. 2.9 out of 10 on IMDb. There's no way.

It lasted one season. That was absolutely packaged with something else. They were like, if you want this, you have to make this also, right? You never know, though. Who knows, man? What a piece of shit. I don't know what network it was, too. Who knows what kind of, that sounds like shit, though.

Wow. 2003 is in another movie called In Hell. Who stars in that? Jean-Claude Van Damme. I'd watch. Hell yeah. taylor plays he doesn't even have a name he's just 451 in this movie what so that's it uh here's the what this movie's about a man must survive a prison where hardened criminals battle to the death for the warden's entertainment. Yes. Yes. Excellent.

As long as it starts Jean-Claude, I'm in. Excellent. Let me guess. He's one of the better fighters in there, I'm going to say, right? He's the hero, right? Just a guess. And he's wrongfully convicted likely, right? Maybe.

Possibly. Possibly. They thought he killed his wife, but it was really some other terrible guy who ends up in the prison and he has to fight him to the death. Is that the plot? Did we just nail it? That's it. If it's not, you blew it. Yeah, if it's not, you can make part two and that's what it's about. So enjoy, everybody.

You can have that in hell, producers. 2003 in November, he does 60 Minutes LT. Sits down for one of those big schmaltzy 60 Minutes interviews, which mean nothing now. But even 20 years ago, those were a big deal and everybody watched them. They'd be on after football. This is pre-streaming, so people still had to watch television. So it was a big deal. You got to answer the fucking hard questions.

Yeah, this is where they try to make you cry and shit. to answer the fucking hard questions yeah this is where they try to make you cry and shit um this is to promote his autobiography which is coming out lt over the edge yeah yeah baby yeah i do i do i have again full disclosure in my studio here if when we're done we can walk out and peruse jimmy it was i have so many fucking lawrence daly autograph here. I have a picture of him over Randall Cunningham who looks like he's dead, and he's doing the finger things. I have several helmets of different sizes. LT was a bad motherfucker with the signature. I have so many LT autographs.

It's ridiculous. And I love it, and I want more. Starting lineup players. I got everything else. There's an LTmas ornament on our tree right now right now lt fucking full uniform doing this thing um so it's at this point too that lt junior start is playing for uh north carolina central university oh lt junior 6-2-2-30 trying to play defensive like his dad here. He's playing for North Carolina Jr.

Jr. Doesn't work out so much. That's got to be brutal to be Lawrence Taylor Jr. out there. I don't understand that. Unless you're walking on water, you can't impress anybody. You really can't. It's like being Mickey Mantle Jr. I feel bad for brawny

lebron's kid there's no way he's gonna be as good there's no way michael jordan's kid stopped playing in college he was like this is i'm not him sorry sorry not him thanks i try my best i don't know i know my dad's great thanks i love hearing it's terrific steph's better than dell but he's not dell jr so that's it's fine that's what i mean that you can do that yeah it's terrific steph's better than dell but he's not dell jr so that's it's fine that's what i mean that you can do that yeah it's a lot it's a lot easier the only one is ken griffey yeah because his dad wasn't a superstar though his dad was a good player right not a superstar if you're a superstar that's crazy that was awesome that was really cool amazing 2004 he's in an episode of the sopranos as himself what yeah he's in an episode

of the sopranos there um so he's getting around man he's a northeast legend james i have seen the sopranos and i don't remember that where the fuck what was he on the surprise he was himself i'm trying to remember the situation that it was yeah i don't remember if it was a golf thing or in the bing and getting a blowjob and coke i don't think so i think it was like at some if it was a golf thing. Was he in the Bing and getting a blowjob in Coke? I don't think so. I think he was at some event. It was trying to show that. I don't remember now.

It's got to be one of the golf outings, right? Probably or something. Don't tweet us because we'll figure it out by the time. We'll figure this out. We'll figure this out before you even hear this episode. We got it. Thank you. He releases his book, Over the Edge, there.

What a book. It's a wild fucking book. He said, though, LT died a long time ago, and I don't miss him at all. All that's left is Lawrence Taylor. LT's dead. 2006, he pops back into the public eye here. He's on the cover of Sports Illustrated. It's an issue dedicated to former athletes and sports figures.

He says that his hobby of golf helps him get over his hard partying ways. He doesn't do it anymore because he's just golfing now. It's the only white rock he needs. That's it, man. It's a big one. Yeah. It's got a whole bunch of dents in it. His ball is made of coke just in case he needs it

the ball he hits around is much smaller and a little rockier it looks more like a rock it's not quite even doesn't roll right but works for me he also right in the hole he also co-find founds x fuse e small e big x f u z e x fuse is that a network marketing company based in west palm beach florida along with former players eric dickerson and seth joiner the old eagles linebackers they're gonna be sued aren't they yeah he was a spokesman also for seven plus uh which was a multi-botanical drink produced by the company and this never went anywhere obviously uh it's a it's a it's a pyramid thing it's it's what d was doing on selling juice drinks it's what he was doing on always sunny that's what it is it's the berries yeah it's the berries. You don't know why, but you need them. It's antioxidants.

So, 2007, he's in the movie The Comebacks, which he plays himself, which is a spoof's inspirational sports movies, it says. It's a movie about an out-of-luck coach. It's got, like, David Koechner in it and shit like that. April 2009, he's on Dancing with the Stars, Jimmy. Yeah, I remember that. Fuck it. His partner, who the fuck is this? Adia Sliwinski?

Who she is is fucking hot. I saw she's very hot and a good dancer. Let's go over the people here quickly. Belinda Carlyle. We're not going to go over the dancers because I don't know who any of these people are. It's a bunch of fucking Russians. Maxim Sheremeskovsky. Who the hell?

I don't know who that is. I saw him at Disneyland. Really? Yeah. That's hilarious. With his kids. And I was like, can I get a picture with you because I know who you are and I hate this. That's funny. I'm bothering people.

I do. that's funny bothering people so we got belinda carlisle denise richards holly madison the uh yeah steve wozniak the apple co-founder i wonder if that computer guy can dance no i don't care that tubby fuck he's fat as shit david alan greer who did like musical comedy. I'm sure he was probably pretty good at it. Steve-O, Lawrence Taylor, Chuck Wicks. I was a country singer. That's why I don't know who that is. Whoever the fuck that is. Lil' Kim, of course.

Ty Murray. Again, I don't know who that is because he's a rodeo cowboy. That's why I don't know who he is. Melissa Rycroft. Nope, eliminated. Tenth. Almost. They came close. Tenth. Almost. They came close.

Gillis Marini. I don't know who that is. And then Sean Giles. I don't know who it is, so maybe. And then Sean Johnson, the Olympic gymnast, won the thing. She won it because she's a fucking gymnast. She's amazing, yeah. But LT lasted seven weeks. No shit.

Yeah, he did pretty well. Not too shabby. He's an athlete, yeah. But LT lasted seven weeks. No shit. Yeah, he did pretty well. Not too shabby. He's an athlete, man. His son, Brandon, at that time, signs a letter of intent to go to Purdue as well. Oh. Yeah, he's a football player. He's a defensive lineman.

Does very well. He leaves after three years due to academic issues, though. And also, he doesn't have a lot of sacks either. He has one sack, one sack, half a sack. So it doesn't do too well. November 2009. He's doing great, LT, isn't he? He's doing great.

He's arrested in Miami for leaving the scene of an accident. He's charged with property damage. He's released on a $500 bond. A Florida Highway Patrol spokesman said he was involved in a hit-and-run accident. He said he thought he hit a guardrail, but instead it was an Escalade. Those are entirely different. Slightly different. So he's charged with that quickly there.

Jesus Christ. Oh, that was an Escalade. How big a car is he driving that he's got to rub the guardrail and it was an Escalade? Fucking Cadillac Escalade. It's a giant SUV. And I was like, he might be smoking crack again. Yeah, it's one of the biggest SUVs on the road. Holy shit.

May 6th, 2010, he is arrested in a uh in a holiday inn here in a motel no accused of um of well he's charged with raping a teenage girl yeah i imagine that's what happens at holiday that's what happens at holiday inns in new jersey anyway uh her name is christina fierro um she's released her name and done all that um she said she didn't know who he was when she got there she didn't know yeah she didn't know lawrence taylor because he hasn't played since she's been alive so literally so she said she walked in the room found him naked on a bed there. She says another man, her pimp, forced her to have sex with Lawrence Taylor for $300. Oh, God. She said that she says, though, that Taylor, she told Taylor that she was 19, and so did the pimp.

Because Taylor was wondering, you know, and they go, oh, she's 19. Boy, does she look young. Yeah. She said that, quote, Lawrence said this, quote, he said I had nice curly hair like his wife. What a weird thing to say to a prostitute. Oh, God. This reminds me of my wife is just the weirdest thing to say. Well, you know, you could probably have sex with her if you went home.

I don't know. That's an idea. Probably for much less than $300. Or more. We don't know that's an idea much less than 300 or more we don't know so she said he told her she was pretty as he massaged her after she turned her back to him uh she said she went to the bathroom then to call her uncle who told her to dial 9-1-1 oh my god um she said she did so and left the phone in her bag uh quote waiting for officers to come and banging on the door and to come get me.

But the police never showed up. I never showed up. So, yeah, she said that Taylor got on top of her. She squirmed and she tried to push him away. But she said it felt like I wasn't making a difference because of how big he was compared to me. She told him it was her first time, which by the way, it's not,

but that doesn't matter. She told him it was her first time and he replied, just relax, which is not the reply to anything sexual at all. That's not good. On dial right now at this moment, or was this before the phone call? This is after the phone call.

She called and then this happened. She left the phone in her bag and then this shit happened yeah this is going on she said it was really rough and painful she said since then she was suicidal and all that sort of thing um she said that when the sex was over taylor quote just pulled out money and said here can you turn the tv off on your way out this is very normal transaction for for he's done this so many times oh man when she got back to the car of the man her pimp her here uh who had ordered to have sex with him she called her uncle and told him in spanish that calling 9 Spanish that calling 911 didn't work. So the police were waiting when the car arrived back at the guy's house, though.

I guess the uncle called, too, and said, fucking go there and fucking do this. The man is later sentenced to seven years in prison for pimping her out, by the way. That's great. But Lawrence Taylor's lawyer said, quote, my client did not have sex with anybody, period. Lawrence Taylor did not rape anybody.

Well, have sex with them or rape them. Those are big differences there. So, I mean, at this point, Taylor doesn't know what to do. He's very worried. He's in his house. He's like, good God, they're coming for me. I'm doing coke. I got hookers.

This is not good. And there's a knock on the door, and it's Nutrisystem canceling him. It's not one of our guys. It's Nutrisystem, who he got an endorsement deal with. Hopping their products. And they are dropping his ass as he pleads not guilty to charges of third-degree rape and patronizing a prostitute in the third degree. We're going to call Lasorda again. We're done with you.

Yeah, at least he blows back up again with the weight, but at least he's not doing this. This is crazy. Nutrisystem said, We are shocked and saddened by these very serious allegations against Lawrence Taylor. Based on the severity of these allegations, Nutrisystem has made the decision to sever our relationship with Mr. Taylor effective immediately. Yeah. He's out. So then he's really depressed.

He's sitting at home. He's like, fuck, what am I going to do now? This is ridiculous. I don't know what to do. Where do I go? A chemical weight loss shake. Damn it. If only I had an ounce of crack to smoke today, things would be so much better.

And then there's a knock at the door. Yeah. Again, he opens it. Who's canceling my shit now? But it's nobody. He's looking at two guns blazing, and it's the Mexican pimp standing there. And he says. And he says,

How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Why? You make a big mistake, see, Lawrence. What do you do? You don't jump on girl. You don't jump on girl. Girl valuable.

You sell her. That's what you do. See, I would have sold her to the highest bidder. I would have told the man in the car, now she is mine. And then you sell her to somebody else. You know nothing, Lawrence. See? People say you are stupid for doing drugs. I think you are a terrible businessman.

Just terrible. No good. Don't buy. You sell. No good. You sell. It's no good. That's what I mean.

You don't know how to do this, Lawrence. I am going to. I'll take over for you. Don't buy. You sell. No good. You sell. It's no good. That's what I mean. You don't know how to do this, Lawrence. I am going to. I'll take over for you. That's okay. Pour the tequila. And then poof, in a cloud of tequila and shells, he's gone. And Taylor's very confused and wondering if the crack is causing hallucinations. Which this is basically, by the way,

I made sure it was the Mexican pimp because this is the exact scenario the actual Mexican pimp came from. It's almost exactly the same with Willie Mays Akins and the actual Mexican pimp coming to the door and going, why are you here?

How is it you've come to arrive here? What's wrong with you? Do we know if this girl, who obviously speaks Spanish, was the man a Mexican pimp? No, I don't think he was because she spoke Spanish and he didn't understand the card. Oh, he didn't understand it. Got it. So in March of 2011, he's going to plead guilty to patronizing a prostitute and criminal sexual misconduct is the whole thing here.

So it's not a rape scenario it's a a different thing uh they're not going to get him on like underage shit because he thought yeah everybody's a 19 year old yeah so the sentencing comes around still not good though this is not good for him he's sentencing don't fuck somebody if you have to ask, hey, wait, how old are you? That's the thing. Also, find someone who'll do it for free. It's more fun that way. That's the other thing.

That's the point, yeah. So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off six years probation. Oh, boy. Wow. In what year? 2011. Wow. That was that long ago yeah it was 11 years ago this whole thing he says they ask him what the fuck bro like what's the deal and after the judgment comes down he says this this is amazing um quote i'm not the cause of prostitution. And sometimes I make mistakes and I may go out there and I didn't go pick her up on no playground.

She wasn't hiding behind the school bus or getting off a school bus. This is a working girl that came to my room. He's like, I've done this a thousand times. They're never 15. This is crazy. I've never ordered a prostitute and a child showed up. Never. How was I to know?

That's like ordering a pizza and a rotisserie chicken comes. Like, I didn't order this. I ordered a pizza. These are different foods. I've been ordering these since 83. Not once. Not once did a rotisserie chicken show up. He says it's not his fault.

Quote, the world of prostitution is at fault here just the whole world of it what he said here it gets better man it gets better it gets better quote you never know what you're gonna get prostitutes are like boxes of chocolates isn't that what forrest gump said prostitutes are like boxes of chocolates. Isn't that what Forrest Gump said? Prostitutes are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. Isn't that how that went?

Oh, my God. He's an idiot. He said, is it going to be a pretty girl, an ugly girl, or whatever it's going to be? I don't card them. I don't ask for a birth certificate. Maybe you should. Maybe you should maybe you should if you have any idea he doesn't consider soliciting prostitutes a serious crime it's the world's

world's oldest profession as far as he's concerned he said i guess you could call it a crime i mean if you're looking at like law books and statutes and things i guess you could call it a crime it's one of those crimes you don't think about well what he does a lot of people think a lot of people do he said you never think you're going to get busted because everyone does it no they don't hold on sir what kind of life is the nfl where they go everyone does it i mean jesus christ how removed from everyday life is everyone does. Everyone does it. I mean, it's very normal. He says, until you do get busted, then it's more embarrassing

than anything else. He used to, by the way, this is famous. I don't know if everybody knows about it, though, but he used to send, to fuck with them, he'd send escorts and prostitutes to offensive linemen's doors the night before games of hotel room.

Yeah, some left tackle would have three girls show up and he wouldn't, you know, wouldn't shoo them away. And Lawrence would tell him, drain that motherfucker. I want him to be tired tomorrow. Every edge counts. He would send them pictures of kamikazes in clubs. Yeah. And then they would go back to their room hammered. And then he'd send them girls so they'd be drunk and they'd be hung over and drained of all coke too they'd be doing

coke all night yeah he drained of all energy and seminal fluid oh my god so fiero the young girl she sues him good civil suit yeah um his attorney taylor's attorney arthur a i uh idalla said in his opening statement that taylor never used violence never threatened fiero and thought she was sent by a friend who offered female companionship you know a pimp what he said that taylor quote did have sex with a woman who's 16 years 11 months and three weeks old i don't know how to i wouldn't say girl in that scenario so i think not i think 17 is the age of consent in new jersey is what he's getting at a week later this would have been fine still very gross though that's the thing he's in his 50s. 17 is no good. No good. Then the lawyer said, I'm not condoning what he did.

Yeah, you are. He said, it's a crime and he's been punished for it. He said, though, the lawsuit seeking punitive damages is a money grab simply because of his fame. way the defense asked the judge if he could if it could be admitted into the trial uh that a that they have a rape kit that she took that showed semen of two other men including taylor in it as well god so i don't see why that makes it it does that doesn't make a difference she's not saying she was a virgin she's saying i was turning tricks this guy was making me turn tricks and i did it to her the point is you had sex with a 16 year old girl that's disgusting and now you gotta pay a couple bucks she's proving that he did

and then we'll sort out the other two later but right now we're proving that he did where are they yeah um he testified that he lost lucrative speaking engagements and endorsement dear deals since this whole thing and it's taken a toll on him already. During the closing arguments, her lawyer said he took a terrorized 16-year-old girl and used her like a piece of meat. And the defense attorney said that Fierro was no innocent here. This is an odd way to fucking approach this, I would say. He said that she dropped out of high school at age 14, worked as a pole dancer at strip clubs, and ran around town with a bottle of Hennessy in her purse. He then said, there are 16-year-olds and there are 16-year-olds.

What is happening? He just defined her, there's a sack and there's a sack. Open rape season, everyone. Look at her purse. If there's a bottle of Hennessy in there, have at her. And then just throw a couple of bucks on top of her afterwards and it's totally fine. It's perfectly okay. Because she's not a 16-year-old.

She's a 16-year-old. 16-year-old, yeah. Holy shit. What is happening? The jury comes back. After only 50 50 minutes they come back very quickly and they uh clear taylor of everything she gets not a fucking dime nothing how bad of a reputation does hennessey have that's what i mean they're like well she had hennessey in there i mean jesus christ dog talks about it all the time. That shit's bad news.

Fuck, man. So Taylor insisted outside the courtroom that he'd learned a lesson. He said the day before, though, he said he'd still continue to be paying hookers for sex, in his words. But now he said, now he won't. He changed his mind. He said, it's a different world. You have to govern yourself accordingly changed his mind he said it's a different world you have to govern yourself accordingly is what he said and then he said about the young lady fiero he said i feel for what she

has gone through at that at that time if she had said something i would have helped her i wasn't a bad person i hope she gets her life together i hope the best for her and uh they said well what do you plan on doing now he said this is a time for me to concentrate on mending my own broken life. Good call. A juror here they interviewed said he felt terrible for the girl, but he said they believed the sex was consensual and that Fiera was victimized by her pimp, Rasheed Davis, who beat her and forced her to go to the room. Imp Rashid Davis, who beat her and forced her to go to the room. The guy said she may have been shell shocked, but none of us. None of us believe that Mr.

Taylor should have been or could have been aware of what transpired. He just. Yeah. He just ordered a woman and one showed up and he didn't know. That's what they're saying. So July 7th, 2013, Lawrence Jr. Is arrested for molesting 13 year old girls oh lawrence not good um yeah so one girl reported he molested her the day before uh he's arrested uh they later found out he'd also assaulted a second victim four or five times since 2012 he's like 30 yep um yeah he is absolutely he's like 30. Yep. Yeah, he is. Absolutely. He's like 34.

May 2015, LT Jr. pleads guilty. And he is, it's a plea to guilty of sexually assaulting two 13-year-old girls between 2012 and 2013. Yuck. Holy fucking shit. The prosecutor said, quote, resolving this case with a guilty plea provides the victims with finality and prevents them from having to relive their experiences on the witness stand. Justice was done in this case, not only because the defendant will serve in prison, as we'll talk about, but because the victims will not have to be put through the emotional toll

of a trial. What did he plead to? This is some serious junior behavior here yeah i would say that the pinnacle of it that he gets you sir may fuck off 10 years in prison and another 20 suspended on probation holy shit so he fucks up once over yeah he fucks up once he's back in prison for 20 years he He's fucked. So he's in deep shit. Deep shit. June 2016, this is senior again.

Junior's in prison. Domestic violence going down at the Taylor home. Oh, Jesus. It's not him doing the beating, though. Oh, he's getting his ass kicked. No, his wife gets arrested for beating him in the head with an unknown object hit him in the back of the head with it yeah she's also arrested for resisting arrest as well said it was an a fight started for unknown reasons and lynette threw objects across the

family room where she was sitting on a recliner into the kitchen area where taylor was standing according to the report. When the cops arrived, Lynette said, yeah, threw it at him. That's right. She then pulled away from officers because they went to cuff her right then. Did you assault him? Yep. Okay, you're under arrest.

She then pulled away from officers and tried to hit them with her arms and kick them with her legs as they tried to arrest her. and tried to hit them with her arms and kick them with her legs as they tried to arrest her. She also yelled profanities at the cops at and during being taken into custody. She told the cops, quote, yeah, I beat his motherfucking ass. I made him bleed. That's her quote to the cops. I did it on behalf of Joe Theismann. That's it.

It's for Joe Theismann. That's it. It's for Joe Theismann. So he, Lawrence does not want to prosecute, according to the report. She denies the allegation. She said, that's a lie. My husband's a 300-pound linebacker. Yeah. Okay, but that doesn't mean he didn't throw something at him and quote. They still bleed.

Yeah, and beat his motherfucking ass. I want to know what happened. I do, too. What caused that fight? Yeah. Did he call her a cunt? Is that what happened? Had to be.

Maybe it's all the prostitutes. Who knows? September 2016, arrested again, LT. We thought you were good now man we really broken life fuck arrested following a crash on the florida turnpike at uh 5 20 p.m he attempted to switch lanes and side swiped a stopped patrol car oh no he hit a stopped police car, my. I thought it was a guardrail. Then sirens came on. He took a breathalyzer test, two breathalyzer tests, five hours after the crash. Uh-oh.

You know how much your shit goes down five hours? I digest that so fast. His tests are still a.082 and a.084, which are still above the Florida legal limit at that point. He was.15 or better. At least. Absolutely. Five hours? Holy shit.

So June 2017, he has his license revoked for nine months. He's got to have an ignition lock system on his car for six months. He's required to perform 75 hours of community service, attend DUI school, pay $1,500 in court fees, and you, sir, may fuck off 12 months of probation. Okay. To add to his already fucking six years of probation. He's in trouble. Yeah. Oh, no. His probation is probably up right about now because that was March 2011 that he got the probation.

So it's probably up. So, I mean, Jesus, you gotta, when someone is so, imagine Michael Jordan fucking his life up this bad. You know what I mean? When someone is so good at something, at that point, you almost feel bad for them, almost. But you know who I really feel bad for, Jimmy? But you know who I really feel bad for, Jimmy? Not as bad as I feel for Lawrence Taylor, founder and president at Christina Development Corporation in Malibu, California. Lawrence Taylor, general counsel at Acor Capital in San Francisco.

Lawrence Taylor, client relationship executive. Would you let this guy have client relationships? In Columbia, South Carolina. Lawrence Taylor, chief financial officer. we know that's not our guy at the ascendant group in elkton maryland lawrence taylor ensuring democracy and fairness through best known parliamentary practices in astoria oregon don't know what the fuck that means um lawrence taylor who wrote a book oh this is law is Dr. Lawrence Taylor, PhD, wrote a book called As Many As I Love, Suicide, the Church, and the Believer. Jesus Christ.

I'll bet that's a little less dark than it actually, Lawrence Taylor's life. Said Lawrence Taylor's life, totally. And then another Lawrence Taylor who wrote a book, Lawrence Taylor wrote Insta Daddy, the Saga of a Newborn Father. Insta Daddy. Insta Daddy. book lawrence taylor taylor wrote insta daddy the saga of a newborn father insta daddy i hate that book already and then finally down in australia jennifer lawrence taylor young lady a lecturer in human computer interaction at the australian national university wow 2019 he's in a movie called storm cell as mayor donovan imagine lawrence taylor as your mayor storm cell address the public as the hurricane approaches i could barely find information about this movie it's so fucking low low brow shit so no good there december 2021 jesus christ lawrence

taylor is arrested again oh god he's arrested here uh this time he's fighting with his wife so he's been living in a hotel since april yeah he's fighting with his wife um he gets arrested for failing to report a change of address as a sex offender. Oh, no. He's supposed to do that. So he said he didn't know he was supposed to do that because he's still, like, technically a resident there. He just has been staying here. They said his attorney said it's just a mix-up. This is the same attorney.

How do you report your address as the Holiday Inn? Yeah, it's the same attorney. He said sadly he's in the middle of a divorce, and his local police department suggested it would be best if he slept at a nearby hotel. Mr. Taylor was constantly a resident of the marital home where he was registered, but on advice of law enforcement, he was sleeping outside the home. We're confident that this will be resolved favorably for core for Lawrence at the first court hearing. That's kind of a mix-up so september 2022 though he is good now this is just recently yeah totally good now um here's some questions from his uh career they said do you wish you could have played in this era now holy shit yes what are you talking about it's wide open he would have he would dominate but he's not allowed to hit anybody you can still tackle people it doesn't matter you can't because sacks are considered roughing He would dominate in this era. But he's not allowed to hit anybody.

You can still tackle people. It doesn't matter. No, you can't because sacks are considered roughing the passer now. He wouldn't be able to do anything. He'd be chasing guys down. You think Rob Gronkowski would have five fucking yards against him if he was covering him as a tight end? No. A guy like him, dominant in any era. Sorry.

You could put him in 1945. you could put him in 2045 he's gonna be up your quarterback's ass period he'd be flagged and fined every week i think well he obviously couldn't fucking tackle the same way and do those things but he could get around an offensive lineman just james with how much fucking coke and crack he was doing well that was the way he played because you were allowed to play like that. I mean, if his body was born 20 years ago rather than 50 or 60 years ago, I think it's no problem. He said, well, I guess I wish I could have played. Yeah, because you know what? He said, I'd be getting one of them big-ass contracts.

He said, it would have been nice to play in this era, especially now that they're throwing the ball. They're throwing a third more times now. They're putting the ball in the air. It's a lot more chance for sacks. They said sacks or sex. Which do you like better? Sacks or sex? Yeah.

He said, well, one of them is harder to get. OK. One is real hard to get. But sacks are a little bit easier. If you're sacking the right person, you're getting them both. Ew. Gross. I thought he was going to say sacks are a little bit easier. If you're sacking the right person, you're getting them both. Ew. Gross. I thought he was going to say sacks are harder to get.

Did he say that? Yeah. No. He's been laid a lot more times than he has sacks, I'll tell you that. What is he talking about? Three dinner guests. Anybody, anytime, all time. Three dinner guests.

Reggie White. Uh-huh. My grandmother. Yeah. His grandmother, not my grandmother. And Michael Jackson. Is the oddest. That's a bizarre answer.

And what does the interviewer say? Not, wow, weird trio. Michael Jackson. He says, why your grandmother? What? What? What? That's the least. What are you talking about?

He says she pretty much was the person that molded me into who I am. Okay. They said favorite actor. He said my favorite act all time actor. Me. Oh, my God. Favorite entertainer. Michael Jackson.

That goes without saying. He wants to have dinner with him. Favorite meal? Pork chops, collard greens, cornbread, mashed potatoes, and a lot of gravy. Oh. Yeah, that sounds good. What is life like right now? I'm actually right now in the best space I've been in years.

In years? Why is that? I got new people in my life. I got a new partner in my life. It doesn't take much to make me happy. Just hookers, Coke, millions of dollars, world adulation, Super Bowl rings, things like that, but not a lot. He said, I'm happy with doing a little bit of traveling, sitting on my golf cart, playing some golf, and my kids are doing well. My grandkids are doing well. Well, one of your kids is doing well.

Jesus, the ball's on him. One's a child molester, but the other ones are great. My kids are doing well well one of your kids is doing well jesus the balls on him my one's a child molester but the other ones are great my kids are doing well no they're not good god and people see me all the time now and say man you know what you must be doing something right this is the best i felt in years everyone he's good now i expect him never to have another interaction with any police for the rest of his life. Right, Jimmy? I am shocked. He's good now. Can't get enough of Lawrence Taylor? Well, there is so much Lawrence Taylor memorabilia.

I can't even tell you where to start because he's a hero here. And it's growing. He'll sign shit until the day he dies to pay his bills. Absolutely. But if you really can't get enough of him, you can rent him. Buy Lawrence Taylor for yourself. Go to Athletespeakers.com. You can book him for your next event.

He does corporate appearances, speaking engagements, meet and greets, endorsements, virtual events, fee range. He travels from Miami, by the way. Fee range, $20,000 to $30,000. Okay. That's a lot. And then you can also, though, if you're looking for a discount at Lawrence Taylor, you can go to Sports Speakers 360, which is a different site that has them on there. There they have them for $10,000 to $20,000.

So you might be able to get them a little cheaper on that one. James, that is, if I can find them, I want to send him to your house for this. You want to rent Lawrence Taylor for us? Just for a day. Just to sit and tell you stories of the NFL. James, he would be terrible in the NFL today. Just because he was born into it, he would be so fucking drug hungry still. He would get a taste of it eventually.

It doesn't matter if you take that guy you take him and you put him in now every fucking play is shotgun with a spread offense and no backs to block he would be fucking killing people would 120 million dollars be able to keep him clean you think it'd probably keep him in a lot of crack i think he would he'd smoke a better quality of crack maybe that would keep him on the straight and narrow. Undetectable crack. He'll have scientists working in laboratories around the clock to find

an undetectable crack. I've done it. That said everybody, that is Lawrence fucking Taylor. That is Lawrence Taylor and he's had quite the life. That's going to be the three hour crime in sports., and that's going to be the three-hour crime in sports. That's going to be the end of that, and we will continue with more.

If you listened to the one last week about the Maxim Nevesevlov, that's kind of what we're going to be doing a little more of, kind of punching up on stuff like that. It'll be a lot of fun shit, so we're very excited for that. Hope you enjoyed LT. Hope he was worth the wait. Definitely, if you enjoyed it, tell the world about it.

Get on. Please do. Whatever app you're listening on, it really does help to give a rating and a review and say something. It helps drive us up the charts. It helps people notice the show,

and we're going to push on with Crime and Sports. We want people to notice the show. Remember the Crime and Sports movement? Let's keep it going. Tell people fucking harass people listen to crime and sports you cocksucker if you know lawrence taylor tell him tell him he'll listen and then i gotta hide from him so that's not gonna be great i want to buy him for you oh my god he'll come over here and kill me that'd be perfect just what i need come over here and chainsaw my car in half

i want him and his ex-wife at your Christmas. That would be fun. Throwing shit at each other. Yeah, I beat that motherfucker's ass. I made him bleed. Fuck him. So do all that. It's beautiful.

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Yes. Oh, my God. I've been eating the fuck out of that. Thank you so much. You're amazing, Justine. We'll do on an episode, we'll talk about some of our favorites. Next time we do an Australian guy, we'll talk about some of the favorite shit from in there because I've been eating so much of that shit.

I love your chocolate down there. Continue. Sorry. Continuing with executive producers Nick Blairir and brian wyckoff thank you guys so much for supporting this uh shit that we do and we we really really appreciate you you're amazing other producers this week yeah truth other producers this week are mark wismar happy birthday mark uh happy birthday liz vasquez merry christmas to you merry christmas corporal carl kirshner, Doug Jones, Lisa Andrews, happy hour checking in in Roswell, New Mexico with his probeless asshole.

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