Crime in Sports - #336 - Violent, Nasty & Possibly Misunderstood - Ty Cobb

Episode Date: January 3, 2023

This week, we go back in time to check out one of the most celebrated & controversial athletes of all time. He held just about every hitting record possible, when he retired, but this story is all about the craziness that surrounded him. His father & mother had about the grossest relationship ever, which ended violently. Ty was a violent guy, alcoholic, and one of the fiercest competitors to ever play any sport. He also got arrested for some crazy things. But is everything we've ever heard about Ty actually true? Or, was a lot of it the imagination of an author, looking to sell books?? Either way, this is one wild story! Be a product of the most disgusting "relationship" of all time, hit over .400 on multiple occasions, and fight a butcher over your wife's fish order with Ty Cobb!!Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's right. Ty Cobb considered by many to be one of the greatest, one of the top three hitters of all time. I mean, he still has a shitload of records. Is that his real name? His real name is Tyrus. Tyrus Raymond Cobb. That is his name. That's a cowboy name.

T-Y-R-U-S. Well, not even name. No, his dad is an intellectual. Really? That's the thing you don't expect. Yeah, you'd expect he came, you know, his mom had him in a dirt field. Right. And his dad put him right to work on the farm.

You know what I mean? He's like three days old and he was like, it's about time milk the cows i'm about tired of this kid's bullshit i picture that but no it's not like that at all his dad was a teacher and a pervert apparently as we'll talk about right well yeah uh let's get let's get into this the uh let's go to the foothills of north georgia in 1883 all right let's go there 1883 everybody okay that's where ty cobb is from well a young lady a young a girl really not even a young lady yet a 12 year old girl named amanda chitwood um who comes from a good family by the way here and everything like that she is going to school of course uh you know like a 12 year old should is going to school, of course. You know, like a 12-year-old should be going to school.

As they do in sixth grade. And one of her classes is taught by a man named William Herschel Cobb. Oh, my God. Who is 20 years old, but he's already a teacher and already considered a very respected teacher and a respected member of the community. He's a bespectacled man who you know looks very studious well trustworthy well um he ended up apparently i don't even know he molesting his 12 year old student there's no other way to say it you can't say they started a relationship

you can't say they kindled a romance because she's 12. So there's no way. Bad Billy Cobb. Yeah. 20 and 12. Willie Herschel Cobb is a bad man. This is not okay. And I get it.

No. In the 1880s, this was considered romantic. Like, oh, that's the crazy. In North Georgia in the 1880s, it was you give him an apple, he gives you an engagement ring. That's how it works. Yeah, put this right in your apple. He gives you a present in your uterus and you. Oh, my God.

This is ridiculous, though, a 12-year-old. Wow. Yeah, they apparently were married on her father's porch despite his objections, you know, because she's 12 and all. He didn't like it. No. Weird, right? But back then it was like, well, a good guy might not come around when she's 20, you know, or by the time she's 20, she's an old maid. By the time she's 16, maybe all she'll find is dirt bags.

This guy would be great. If she was four years older, she was 16, because back then, you know, that's perfect marrying off times. This would be the guy you'd want her to be with. So what if she's 12? She should get married to an adult man. He's got a career, James. He's a career man. But that's how it was back then.

It was like, yeah, well, I mean, you know, she won't starve to death. That's good. She's 12. That is so gross. 12. Holy balls, she's 12 years old. What class was it? Do we know that?

Not even, don't know. He taught a lot of classes, so we don't even know. 20 and 12. I'm just trying to, I'm wondering what the fuck education was so hot that you banged a 12-year-old. A 12-year-old. I mean, that's – and that wasn't considered like pedophilia back then. That was considered, you know, looking for a sound mate. That's how crazy the 1800s were.

You could be teaching a class, have a 12-year-old student and go, huh. I'm going to go talk to – I like the way you're filling out. go i'm gonna go talk to you're filling out i'm gonna go talk to her father she looks like in a couple years when puberty's finished she's gonna really be hot what the who thinks like that i better get her but a pedophile she's gonna have so many suitors by lunchtime oh forget about it yeah she's filling out by the moment here so he apparently jesus christ man this is just they described his father as a tall, good looking, rather bookish young man who developed the dignified, punctilious way that impressed people in North Georgia. That's how he's described by a biographer. He slept with a child.

You guys, those words do not. But, oh, Jimmy, he married her, though. Those words do not. Oh, Jimmy, he married her, though. So, you know, as long as you marry her, make an honest woman or young girl in this case. Make an honest child out of her, Jimmy. It's okay. So this is where Ty Cobb comes from. Good Lord.

His dad married a 12-year-old. You can end it right there. Thanks a lot, everybody. I hope you're glad Crime and Sports stuck around. Ty Cobb's cobb's dad fucked a 12 year old and let's get out of here that's the criminal i don't know how you top that his story i wish we could tell the end first because that's the closer right yeah and then dad fucked a 12 year old oh my god good night everybody and you walk off but but prior to all of this. Yeah. This is how it started. Good Lord.

Oh, Christ. So they had to move around a lot in North Georgia to find schools that had enough money to pay him. Oh. Because the schools were kind of makeshift at that point. Listen, pedophiles demand big top dollar. And that's the thing. He's punctilious, as they say. He's punctilious. He's say. He's punctilious.

He's got a 12-year-old on his arm who can attest to his teaching abilities. My husband is the best teacher ever. Seriously, when I was in his class three months ago, it was fantastic. Now I'm pregnant, but then it was great. Holy shit. Punctilious. Punctilious. Now, her family was one of the most was one of the richest families

in town too that's so she's from money that's the other thing so he married into money yeah they've got to look like the look at this at like he's making a a power play right like that's a genius power play i suppose yeah i will her father 1883 standards yeah her father was captain caleb chitwood who planted several hundred acres of cotton after he returned from the Civil War. So. Wow. Yeah. Who knows what else he was up to there.

If he had cotton, you know, it was. Well, it was after the Civil War, so he was still being not nice, though. So. Yeah. December 18th, 1886, by the way, when was uh 16 years old now i believe yeah no 15 15 it would be 15 years old when she's 15 years old uh ty is born december 18th 1886 young ty is born to a 15 year old mother and her punctillion and her punctilious husband ty Tyrus Raymond Cobb. And it was the day after a horrible snowstorm, one of the worst in the history of North Georgia.

Is that right? Yeah, Ty was born. And his father named him Tyrus. Now, why did you say you thought it was? It's a real cowboy name is what that is. Chose the name in honor of the resistance of the city of tire to alexander the great oh so yeah there you go he thought that was yr is a t-y-r-e in okay it's a place in england i guess i believe it's greece if i'm not mistaken i believe it's greece if i'm not mistaken but i could be wrong so i'm sure i'm wrong but it's yeah it's still still fucking resilient tough people which is

what i mean cowboys tend to be yeah i mean he's his dad's punctilious he's not a cowboy i've never heard of a cowboy being described as punctilious before have you he got he got tyrus from from literature i'll tell you what i'll tell you something buddy that colorado red is the most punctilious son of a bitch i ever run across on the trail buddy he is no no no don't tell me nothing but no don't tell me about tennessee bob i don't want to hear about him it's colorado red he's punctilious. I'm sorry. That word isn't too far off from cantankerous. It is. But they're both fun.

They're fun to say. They really are. A lot of syllables to fucking mess around with. It's a lot of fun to bounce them off. Yeah, he named him Tyrus. Tyrus, the name, did not appear, according to the U.S. Social Security Administration. The name Tyrus did not appear in the top 1,000 boy or girl names. Nobody was naming their kid Tyrus when he named him Tyrus.

It's a new name. Until 1912, which was the year after Cobb first hit over 400, Ty. They started naming their children for Ty Cobb. Yep, they started naming them after Ty Cobb. And it didn't appear again on the list until after 1916. So anybody out there named Tyrus, this is why you're named Tyrus. Because no one else, nobody in society was named Tyrus until Ty Cobb. 104-year-old people.

You got it. We know why. Because a man fucked a child, that's why. Because a man fucked a 12-year-old. A man laid down a 6th grader and had a punctilious union. Jesus Christ. A lot of people have that sign in their house, that douchey, because a man loved a woman, and then there's all the memories, photos, and shit.

When a punctilious young man loves a child. That's on Ty's front desk. When a punctilious young man loves a child. That's on ties. When a punctilious young man loves a child. Oh, he marries her at 12. Feels like a word that should have been in the song Chantilly Lakes. A punctilious and a married 12 year old

girl. And I take a training bra and a da da year old girl. And I'd take a training bra and a da da da da da. Oh Christ. All right. I'm so happy we're. Oh baby that's a flat chest. Oh baby she's got no hair.

Ba ba da da da ba da da. Oh my God. Oh yeah. Disgusting. Oh, yeah. Disgusting. That feels good. See, this is why I'm happy we kept crime and sports around. There's no other place in the world we could sing songs like this ever. This is terrible.

It's very funny. Because, yeah, we're making fun of a pedophile. Hey, as long as you're making fun of a pedophile, it's fine. It's good, yeah. It's very funny because, yeah, we're making fun of a pedophile. Hey, as long as you're making fun of a pedophile, it's fine. It's good, yeah. It's good. So they moved around a bit and then settled in Royston, which is in Franklin County, Georgia. Found a school, purchased a farm.

This is dad, of course. Purchased a farm. He became both the mayor and the editor of the town newspaper, which seems like a direct conflict of public interest. Town's doing great every day in the front headlines. Mayor making life perfect in this town. Wow, apparently everything's terrific. Shit. The guy in charge. Can't do that.

No. That's not good. Or you can, and it's the easiest jobs you've ever had you'll never lose oh i mean you pump out publications about you and everyone hates mayor's opponent is the headline mayor's opponent marries 12 year old huh what the hell that's just wrong that's all the horrible shit about himself yeah somebody else's name just puts it says he did it so he eventually was elected to the state senate his father was a state senator we all think he's great where him and him and his child bride where his main cause that he championed was education. He was always, because he's a teacher, so he was talking about education and all that. He, of course, wanted his children to be extremely studious and what, Jimmy?

Punctilious. Punctilious as fuck, man. Like, mad punctilious he wants him to be so he uh um he expected this from his kids they there's tyrus and then john so he names one tyrus and the next kid just gets john which is that's not nice thanks a lot dad i get yeah tyrus and you name him john like everybody else thanks and then florence poor john gets nothing creative and fun no they were like i don't he was like i have my name you No, they were like, I don't. He was like, I have my name. You name that kid whatever you want.

I don't care. That kid looks boring. John or whatever. I don't know. And then Florence is the girl. They have a girl as well. Yeah. And Tyrus.

And his father is strict. Being raised by his father is like being raised in Scientology. Like there's very strict regiments and schooling and certain drills with homework. And there's a lot of, yes, father wants them to be exceptional students. And Ty is not an exceptional student. He doesn't give a fuck about school. Does not like school. His father wants him to be a doctor or a lawyer. And he doesn't want shit.

He was, one of his teachers called him stubborn, high doctor or a lawyer and he doesn't want shit uh he was one of his teachers called him stubborn high strung and quick-tempered okay which is all the things that make a terrible student and a yeah and a good baseball player apparently if you're or so you know he's stubborn so that's how he is his whole life so there you go they said even as a child in any game he was playing he's an insane competitor like just competitive as shit uh he loved baseball father didn't want him to play baseball because that has nothing to do with school can't study and know things if you're playing center field that's not right they don't let you read books out there you know what i mean

so he plays for the royston rompers. He's trying to get on this team. It's a semi-pro team. And one day they called him in because their shortstop got hurt and he had been trying out. And he's 14 years old. So he steps into this semi-pro game already. So he's really good right away. And he's really into baseball. So he starts getting paid for playing baseball by the time he's 14.

I mean mom's having kids by 15. You might as well – She's a professional mother at that point. Yeah. I mean back then it had to happen quick. He – Ty sold some of his father's professor's books to buy a new glove at one point when his glove broke. Oh, wow wow he stole his dad's shit and hocked it that's that's how into it he was baseball was like meth to him he needed it

um at the time when he's a teenager he's like 5 10 150 pounds he ends up being 6 2 180 which back then huge yeah in 1905 when he started playing baseball in the minors and shit, that's a huge guy back then. Sincerely. 6'2 is a big dude. I mean, real big. And when he was 15, he attended spring training for the Cleveland, which I think they were the – what the hell were they at that point? I can't even remember. Cleveland Major League Team.

It wasn't the Indians and it wasn't the Guardians, obviously. Some shit there. And then when he turned 16, he told his father and his mother that he wanted to be a baseball player and they didn't want him to be a baseball player because his dad said, you're just going to

be one of those drunken womanizers. That's all the baseball players are. They're all drunken womanizers, which is 100% true back then. Yeah, but who are we to judge that? Well, he wasn't drunk. You got to give him that. And it wasn't a woman either. So really, it's apples and oranges, Jimmy.

He's a pedophile. He's a pedophile, not a drunken carouser. There's a big difference. Big difference. Yeah, there a drunken carouser. There's a big difference. Big difference. Yeah, there is. Yeah, there is. I'd rather hang out with baseball players. Let's put it that way.

I don't want to accidentally get arrested with another man because they think we're doing the same thing. Plus, I don't want kids around. Ew. Fuck away from me. Other people's kids? Get them out of here. I don't want to hang out with other people's kids. No, you don't want kids around ew fuck away from me other people's kids get them out of here who do i i don't want to hang out with other people's kids no you don't get it they're here to service us james no they're not fuck off no no no oh my god so uh ty though wrote a bunch of letters

asking for tryouts to teams because that's all you could do back then. You couldn't send them a YouTube link and be like, yo, here's me crushing some shit 450 feet. You couldn't do that back then. You had to write, hello, sir, I am a baseball player and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and say who you've played for and shit like that. So he got one response to all his letters. It was for the Augusta, Georgia, Augusta Tourists was their name. He asked his dad, can you mind if I do this?

His dad didn't want him to do it, but eventually said fine and told him, quote, go get it out of your system. Go get this baseball out of your system. And when you come back after you've failed, you can study hard and be a lawyer. That's fine. That's what he told him. So he gave him six checks for 15 each you're telling me he allowed him to go be a child he allowed him to go be a child and play baseball he said you know don't marry a 30 year old woman though that's so uh yeah by 17 he's a pro baseball player he's doing well uh here's a quote from john thorn who's a baseball historian he's a pro baseball player. He's doing well. Here's a quote from John Thorne, who's a baseball historian.

There's a book called Legends of the Fall. Not that one. A different one. Meaning the postseason, I assume. The World Series. He said about Ty Cobb, quote, he's a testament to how far you can get simply through will. Cobb was pursued by demons. His game is 90% will I mean he's he's he's fast and things like that but he's not you know he's not the greatest athlete in the world he's

just uh the the grinder he's like he's Pete Rose but to another level of Pete Rose of like yeah he's like if you mix Lawrence Taylor and Pete Rose together and made him a baseball player. That's who Ty Cobb is. And he's huge. And he's a big fucking guy. And we'll talk about a lot of things about him. There was a book written in the 50s that Ty Cobb was a part of writing. Ty ended up writing his own book about it and making a lot of shit up and sensationalizing a lot of things that then became the canon for what Ty Cobb was.

Ty lore. It was the Ty lore and that's what they made the movie Cobb with Tommy Lee Jones in the 90s. It was based solely on this book pretty much. So all of that became that and that's what we all know of ty cobb and it's not all true is the problem this guy the author and yeah the author ended up being really excoriated for his making shit up after the whole book came out yeah so he ended up uh only hitting 237 well we will talk very briefly about stats and shit like that here, because he played a long time. In 35 games. In 1905, the Taurus sold Ty to the Detroit Tigers of the American League for $750. Sale.

What a deal. In 2021, which is two years ago now, is $22,619. Incredible bargain. Inflation. That's a bargain. That's a bargain. That is a bargain. On August 8th, 1905, while this is going on with Ty, some different shit's going on at home. Yeah.

His mom, who's now 33, was alone at the house, his family house, where him and Mr. Purvey live, Billy Hersh are there. She's in her bedroom late night when she, this is her story, she heard noises on the porch roof outside the bedroom. And she heard something at the window. So she got out of bed and grabbed the double barrel shotgun that they kept next to the bed for this justice type of occasion. And said she saw a figure a silhouette of somebody outside the window thinking it was a predator she bucked two shots from the double barrel out at it through the window without checking just there's a silhouette it must be there's a body that i don't want there must be a a murderer. How about a warning shot?

Fire one in the air and see if they run away or if they say your name. And instead they go, hey, Amanda, Amanda, Jesus Christ. Or if they go, fuck and run. You have a double barrel shotgun. Yeah, just clack that shit. It doesn't have a slide, but you could just clack it closed. They know the sound.

Just shout, I'm holding a shotgun. You're about to not have a head. Yeah, who wants to not have a slide, but you could just clack it closed. Clink. They know the sound. Just shout. I'm holding a shotgun. You're about to not have a head. Yeah. Who wants to not have a head? Either way. Nope. Shot him. Bucked him up a couple of times there.

She walked over to the window. Who does she see outside the window? It's William Herschel in a pool of blood. Of course it is. She shot him twice. He lost his keys. He was coming in the window. Hey, but, ah.

So, now, there is a lot of theories. And we'll never know. This is because this is 120 years ago this happened almost. But the version, there's several versions. One, because there was a lot of gossip around Amanda Cobb recently or before this that she had been having an affair so um i guess the dad here william herschel told her she he was leaving town for a few days and the kids were off somewhere as well so instead he was just doing this to try to set her up to catch her so he snuck back home around midnight to try to catch his wife with another man.

She heard him. And they also found a revolver in his jacket pocket as well, which if you're creeping around in the woods out there back in the day, you might, you know. In 1920, everybody carried them anyway. This is 1905. 1905, way worse. Yeah. 1905.

1905. Way worse. Yeah. So he another thing. Another story is that William Herschel was out drinking that evening and he thought the windows were going to be open. So he was going to try to sneak in the window without being heard. And then she shot him there, which makes no sense to me because I don't want to wake my wife up and let her know that I'm drunk. So I'm going to climb in the bedroom window where she's sleeping.

Why the fuck would that would be the last place I would climb in? Maybe he's trying to give her reminisce with her. Remember when I used to sneak in your window? Remember when I used to steal you from your parents' house to do pedophilia with you? Remember that? Yes, your pa didn't hear it. Gross. Remember when I used to molest you at your parents house and i come to your window it's pretty pretty much the same she shot did he die well oh he's dead as fuck yeah killed him dead twice at close range with a double barrel he's dead as shit and it's 1905 it's not really sad honestly he fucked a 12 year

old i can't be i can't be upset that he's dead it's hard to feel bad for it you can't yeah i can't feel there's no reason to look at a student of yours that's 12 was he go he's he looks at a classroom like a nightclub like no you're in a you're a terrible person we would imagine what what society would do with this guy now he's like oh my god but we're gonna get married they'd be like no you're not you're going to prison period so you're gonna get married you're gonna get married all right to somebody that you're not gonna want to get married to he's going to be very very mean to you yeah so they also there's also a rumor that her lover was there she was having an affair and the man was there at the house and took off after this to not be you know around for the aftermath yeah but there's some

people that say that she was he was actually there so this really, it's a real mess. And there's no trial until 1906 when Ty Cobb actually had to leave training, a spring training, to go to his mom's trial. I'll be back in a week, guys. Got to go to my mom's murder trial for killing my father. Hold on. No, no, no. My teenage bride mother killed my father. So I got to go to the trial, obviously. So don't worry. He molested her. Oh, no, he molested the shit. No, it's gross. Yeah, he belonged in prison. So it's not a big deal.

And like because there's a they're saying that there was some time went by before the second blast was delivered, was shot and then waited. And yeah, well, he's still moving. She shot him, then went over, looked and make sure. Oh, that's Herschel. All right, good. Boom. Get him again. Then that's the speculation here. And others, other specifics.

I guess there was some contradictory testimony that she gave at different times but the prosecution makes no mention of the possible infidelity so the jury has no doesn't have that to play with there's no i don't know if they wasn't allowed in because it wasn't proven possibly that's what i would imagine just in legal terms if the jury was all male oh and they find her not guilty of course not they were like he he molested that girl did she said he met did she say 12 if i sent my 12 year old to school and his teacher marries her i would i don't know shoot him through a window with a double barrel shotgun twice i'd shoot him the first time she's 33 married for 22 years that that don't compute does it that is some weird math i was never real good in school but

that don't sound right that is way too a few numbers left over that's it she was the only one there so it's based pretty much solely on her testimony that she had been awakened by what she thought was an intruder, tried to protect herself. That's what they always say. Yeah. You end it and there's only one story. Yeah, there's nobody else there, so what are you going to do? And back then they weren't like, well, the forensics of this and there's a spatter pattern. They were just like, well, I don't know.

He's dead. She says that's it. Anybody see it? Nope. I guess it's good then. Okay. Slam dunk. She says that's it. Anybody see it? Nope. I guess it's good then. Fuck it. Slam dunk.

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said that he held great love and respect for his father and called when his dad was murdered the blackest of days, he said it was terrible for him. Um, he said, but it lit a fire in him to succeed in baseball,

to show his dad, he could do it. He said he wanted to show his dad how great he could be. He said, he said, quote, he never got to see me play. Not one game,

not an inning, but I knew he was watching me and I never let him down, never. So he had one of those things going on. And he will have a very strained relationship with his mother for the rest of her life as well. Really? Oh yeah, he only sees her now and then, once in a while. We'll talk

about it. So on August, this is, we did the trial ahead, but I'm going to talk about right after the shooting. It happened on August 8th, 1905. On August, this is, we did the trial ahead, but I'm going to talk about right after the shooting. It happened on August 8th, 1905. On August 9th, he left the team to go home to support his family. On August 10th, Amanda Cobb gave her account of what happened to the police and was charged with voluntary manslaughter. And then they had a giant funeral where people overflowed into the street to mourn a pedophile. And by August 16th, he was back on the Augusta Taurus team.

And three days later, they told him they sold him to the Tigers. That's a rough week. That's a crazy week. And by August 27th, he was playing in his first major league game. My goodness. What a crazy month that is for you. Well, my mother killed my father. She'd been charged with voluntary manslaughter.

Then I got sold to the Tigers, and now I'm in the major leagues. That's a lot to take in in a month. So 1905 here, I believe this is the year. This is the only year of his entire career that he does not hit 300. Is that right? Only plays in 41 games, 151 at-bats, hits 238. His life may have been elsewhere. Yeah.

Well, he's also 18 years old, too, so that's the other thing. But, you know, this family, they start young. But, I mean, that's for the rest of his career, for the next 20 years, he'll hit 300 every single year. Unreal. That's incredible. 1906 here, and I'm

going to tell you all of his salaries later too. 1906, he makes $1,500. That's his salary. Ridiculous. $1,500. Ridiculous. He hits 316 that year does very well one home run uh which is there was no homers back then he he'll lead the league with nine home runs at one point before babe ruth there was no babe ruth swinging a bat yeah when babe ruth came in he was hitting the he was hitting like i think more he had had as many home runs one year as, like, most of the American League teams had combined.

Yeah, like he would beat a whole team as far as home runs go. It was crazy. Now, Ty is one of the first, like, superstars of the game, yes? There was a few. There's a lot of them around this time but he becomes a huge superstar because he becomes as good as anybody like him onus wagner christy matthewson you know walter johnson there's a lot these are them yeah this is it biggest of the names oh he's the biggest yeah uh 1907 he hits oh by the way here's a few guys on his team in 1906. A guy named Germany.

That's his first name. Germany Schaefer. A guy named Duff Cooley. Duff Cooley. I love that. Which sounds like an 80s metal guy. Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, Duff Cooley from fucking, you know.

The bassist. Yeah, from Wings on Fire. It was made up an 80s metal band name. Yeah, Duff Cooley. He'd be the bassist of fucking Motorhead. Well, yeah, like Duff from Guns N the 80s. Metal band name. Yeah. Duff Cooley. Sounds like you'd be the bassist of fucking Motorhead. Well, yeah, like Duff from Guns N' Roses. There you go. That's why. Yeah, Duff Cooley. It's just a

cool name. Matty McIntyre. Not bad. He had to wear a leprechaun hat. They made him wear a leprechaun hat out there. Get over there, Matty McIntyre. Go. Go. Look at him go. Ah, the Pete. From Oklahoma. Leave me alone. He's like, fuck, man, Jesus.

Who else we got here? Jimmy Barrett, Tom Doran. These are all Bob Wood, John Sullivan, Jay Clark. Jimmy Wiggs. Frosty Thomas. I love that name. Frosty. How does everybody just have a nickname?

Oh, and that was their name? That was on their identification back then. So, yeah, 1907, Ty hits.350. And people like to do all the analytic shit. His OPS is.848 that year as well. He's fucking killing it. Leads the league in total bases, 212 hits, which leads the league. Next year, hits.3 hits 324 188 hits 108 rbi 20 triples 36 doubles killing it crushing it through this time uh 1907

here uh is when he has a problem though he apparently gets in a fight with a groundskeeper a black guy groundskeeper and this is where a lot of the racist stuff comes from with ty cobb because of this fight now uh this is described in the smithsonian magazine i guess they had a did a piece on this so it's you know pretty well vetted here in 1907 during the spring training in augusta ge Georgia, a black groundskeeper named Bungie Cummings, Bungie, Bungie, B-U-N-G-Y, Bungie Cummings, whom Cobb had known for years, tried to shake Cobb's hand or pat him on the shoulder or do something. And I guess Cobb was in some kind of mood, and they said, quote, the overly familiar

greeting infuriated Cobb, who physically attacked Cummings. They didn't even have words. He tried to, like, pat him on the shoulder or do something like that. And Kai just physically started beating the shit out of him. Cummings' wife then came over and tried to help him and intervene. So Cobb turned around and choked her. He turned around and started choking her out. Yeah.

So that's fucking crazy. The assault, he was just whooping their asses, both of them. The assault only stopped when Charles Boss Schmidt, who was the catcher of the team, and I assume back then to be a catcher you had to be huge because everybody was plowing into the catcher. He came over and knocked Cobb out with a punch, and that ended the affair. Drilled him.

He came over and dropped him. Stop doing that. That was that. So, goddamn, they handled things differently back then. What a story. Holy shit. And so that turns – I mean, it obviously looks pretty racist. So did he say racist things while doing it?

That's not known. We don't know. And the only person who really talked about it in detail was Charles Boss Schmidt because he sounded coolest out of the whole thing. He came in and broke up a fight by knocking out a star with one punch. I mean, I tell everybody about that too. You know that Ty Cobb? Yeah. Oh, I know. He know he's a great player knocked him out with a punch one night you want to hear about it glass jaws what i call it yeah there's no other real corroborating witnesses to the assault and cummings himself never made a public statement about it so the there is a an

author named charles leerschen and he thinks that the assault on cummings and his wife never happened and that he thinks boss schmidt made it up completely to kind of for his own lore basically to try to be a pretty fuck for his own pr back then though people did that because you could just if you got a newspaper to print it then it was that's what that what it was it was fact and not only was it fact it would go into lore for the next 120 years it just that's what it was i mean this incident is huge for ty cobb story which would you be more upset about if you were ty getting drilled by your teammate one punch getting knocked out or yeah i choked a black woman and her beat the shit out of her husband I don't know which one makes me look worse.

Yeah. In 1908 America, which one makes you look worse? That's what I mean. Which one makes you look worse? Yeah. I don't even know. That's a really good question. I guess it's because he was choking a woman.

I mean, I don't think it matters what color she is. Even in 1908, you can't just be choking women in public. I don't think that mattered to them. Hey, that's not your wife. And then you a woman mattered to them. You can't just be choking women in public. I don't think that mattered to them. Hey, that's not your wife. And then you go over and punch them. If you were choking her and you were like, it's my child bride. I found her when she was 12. You'd be like, oh, I'm sorry.

Carry on. No, it's between a man and a wife. Back then it would have been very different. But I guess Cobb, there's reasons for this, why they think maybe Schmidt made it up. Cobb had spent, I guess, the last year in the last season, Schmidt physically assaulted Cobb many times. One time coming out of nowhere and blindsiding him and hitting him from behind. So apparently Schmidt has it in for Ty. So this story to make Schmidt look good and Ty look bad could just be for Schmidt here. and Ty look bad could just be for Schmidt here.

On that day, several reporters saw Cummings, who they said appeared to be partially under the influence of liquor, quote unquote. And they saw him approach Cobb and shout, hello, Carrie, which they don't understand. None of the reporters knew what that meant. And they saw him come in. Cummings come in front and try to hug him. He said he was drunk and he was like, hey, like Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop. What's with all this gun, man?

Phil, Phil, you changed, man. So he came up and tried to hug Ty on the field. And men hugging another man in public like that was not exactly the most socially acceptable thing to do in 1908, I don't think. Today it's not okay. A drunk man trying to hug you, I might punch the man too. Unless it's your good friend. Unless it's your good friend.

Then you're like, you fucking idiot, and you laugh, and this guy's an idiot. No more hugging. Now these reporters saw Cobb push Cummings away from him, like't get off me don't hug me you drunk fuck and they said that's the last interaction anybody saw between the two of them and Cummings was around later on and he was fine there was no marks on him or anything his wife wasn't like holding her throat so based on that they think that this whole incident was probably made up shortly thereafter though um several reporters heard about heard a fight was going on and ran around a corner to see ty cobb and schmidt fighting on the ground not not an unconscious ty cobb they

were rolling around scrapping cobb and schmidt and when the fight was broken up cobb walked away and schmidt remained behind and told the reporters the story of he punched the groundskeeper, then choked his wife, and I came in and knocked him out. Holy shit. So that's – I kind of have to believe a pool of reporters that were all there over one guy who's gotten something to gain from it. You know what I mean? And that's why they all think he probably made it up. So there you go. That's a terrible thing to make up about somebody.

It is. He did beat up a black guy in the street in 1908, I guess. But I don't know if this was a matter of color either. And I'm not trying to fucking whitewash Ty Cobb. I'm trying to get to the root of what the truth is. I don't want some guy's biography of him that was wrong to be like, well, that's what he is. Well, Tommy Lee Jones played him in a movie, so that's it's what he is well tommy lee jones played him in a movie so that's it now i'd like to just at least know what happened if he's a racist twat

great let's call him a racist his dad's a pedophile i don't know if he's complicit in all this bullshit you know what i mean yeah i don't think he did any research on it probably i don't think he sat up all night like i did on christmas night to fucking figure this out i think he just was like a paycheck and went out i think he just took a paycheck and went home i think he was like what's this script say all right i gotta learn to swing a bat better all right then so uh but this time in 1908 a cob stepped into some freshly poured asphalt and the uh the guy who had poured it it was a black guy in Detroit, got mad and Cobb punched him because the guy started yelling at him.

So I feel like that could have happened of any color when you know about Ty Cobb. You should probably apologize for that rather than throw a punch. That's what I'm saying. I feel like he's a dick and I don't know if it was race motivated or not. It might have been. What the fuck do I know? But there's not enough to know. I drove around a corner really fast too fast once and clipped the edge of a curb that had just been concrete poured.

And I fucked my trunk, my truck. Oh, yeah. They were furious. And I just apologized. I mean, I didn't throw a punch. Should have probably got out and started beating people. Started whooping people's asses. How dare you do your job?

I felt terrible. They were going to have to re-pour the whole thing. I just ruined their whole day. Well, Ty ruined this guy's day because not only does he have to re-pour the shit, but he got punched in the mouth on top of it. Yeah, right. He's going to do it with a sore mouth and one less tooth here so put a little blood in it uh ty was found guilty of battery but the sentence was suspended so there you go um 1907 he begins his relationship with a young

a young upcoming company who's really starting to starting to try to get a foothold in America here called Coca-Cola. Get out of here. Yeah. He buys shitloads of stock in Coca-Cola back then. Is that right? By the time he died, he held over 20,000 shares of Coca-Cola stock that he had gotten for nothing back in the day. $10 billion. And owned bottling plants in santa

maria california twin falls idaho and bend oregon way do you hear about this guy's business acumen it's fucking wild he's got to be the the most forward-thinking genius ever in terms of of capitalization on fucking corporate america when he died and when he retired and when he died he's the richest athlete of all time by far, like 10 times more than anybody else. Is that right? It was insane. Yeah, because of all his investments. Because he gets paid nothing through baseball, as we'll hear.

So he's also a celebrity spokesperson for Coke as well. So he does like a Michael Jordan deal before Michael Jordan. That's what Jordan did with Gatorade. It's exactly what he did with Gatorade. And it grew with him, and he owned stock, and he got a lot richer. He did it with Coca-Cola. It's exactly what he did with Gatorade and it grew with him and he owned stock and he got a lot richer. He did it with Coca-Cola. It happens. So 1907 Detroit goes to the World Series

and loses to the Cubs. You don't hear that very often. That's the last one, huh? No, not really because 1908 they go to the World Series and lose to the Cubs. Again, 4-1. It's the last time the Cubs were any good. Yep.

Then that was 1908. That was the last time until, you know, 2017, was it, or whatever? That's what you get for beating Tiger. Until there. Yeah, it was 1908. And then 1909, they go to the World Series again, three years in a row, and they lose to the Pirates in seven games. Is this?

With Onus Wagner. Yeah. Lose to the Pirates in seven games. Onus Wagner's Pirates. And so they're like the Buffalo Bills of the aughts of, you know, the 19 aughts. That's what it is. So a tie in 1909 hit 377. Shit.

1909 hit 377. Shit. 431 on base percentage, 517 slugging, 947 OPS, which is fucking good. Real good. 107 RBI, 216 hits. Killing it. Just killing it. That'll make you a legend, yeah. 1909, he also gets arrested in October here.

also gets arrested in October here. He had to surrender to the sheriff to answer for an indictment that he assaulted a guy named George Stansfield who was the watchman of the Hotel Euclid here. He beat up a hotel watchman.

I think it was an elevator operator to be specific. He appears. He pleads not guilty. He's arrested for assault. It's in a hotel in cleveland the euclid he got into an argument with the elevator operator at 2 15 a.m oh he was drunk you notice nothing changes when i give you a date and 2 15 a.m whether it's alan iverson yeah and his lamborghini or Ty Cobb in a Cleveland hotel. It's 100 years apart. It's the exact same shit.

It doesn't matter. It's just athletes. Are we starting to sense a pattern here? I think the Euclid's still there. Possibly. It might be. It might be. Who knows?

If it is, I might stay there. It's got to be a fucking dump by now, I would assume. Yeah. We're junkies now. But find the elevator where Ty Cobb beat up the fucking elevator man, and that's awesome. Can you show me the way to the elevator where fists were thrown at 2 a.m.? Well, the man, the elevator, Stansfield, refused to take him to the floor

where some of his teammates were having a card game. It's like, take me to the fucking card game. I'm Ty Cobb. I want to play some cards. The elevator operator said he could only take cobb to the floor where his room was and cobb's like don't you give me any of this wave the room key shit in front with the bullshit yeah don't give me any of this bullshit so the argument escalated him and the the elevator guy so then the night watchman approaches that stansfield i guess and he and cob get into a

physical confrontation because he starts trying to you know hey come on let's go over here and uh i guess during the fight uh cob whipped out his pen knife and slashed the watchman in the hand as well oh he's like i will cut you motherfucker get away from me take me to the floor of the car oh my god oh by the way ty is a raging alcoholic did i mention that absolute raging drunk i mean all the time he's a drunken womanizer apparently that's the exactly what his dad said was gonna happen didn't want him to be yep so that's exactly what he is so he slat i don't think his dad wanted him to be slashing hotel watchman at 2 15 in the morning with a fucking pen knife i don't think that's what he was looking his dad wanted him to be slashing hotel watchmen at 2.15 in the morning with a fucking pen knife. I don't think that's what he was looking for.

Wanted him to be a doctor. He wanted you to use that knife to open a chest and save lives. Yeah, save somebody's life, man. Instead, though, he did say a little while ago, I feel like my father watched me my whole career. He watched you what? Beat the shit out of a hotel watchman? Jesus Christ. Yeah, you have to go watch that.

Why? Now, Cobb claims that, listen, I didn't just whip a knife out and cut somebody. He said the watchman had the upper hand in the fight and had his finger in my eye. And he was trying to pop my eyeball out like a wrestler. Pull an eyeball. That's the wrestler stories, all of them. And then he popped his eyeball out. And that's the end of the fight.

It's always the end of the fight. That's what he was trying to do.. And then he popped his eyeball out, and that's the end of the fight. It's always the end of the fight. He was trying to pop his eyeball out, so Cobb said he was worried he was going to have his sight ruined. He wasn't going to be able to play baseball, so he whipped out his penknife and slashed the guy in the fucking hand. Stabbed him there. So the fight finally ended when the watchman whipped his gun out and pistol-whipped Ty several times in the head, knocking him out. Lucky he just did that. Jesus Christ, yeah. This is insane.

How fucking crazy is this? This is crazier than modern day. He's well within his rights of killing him right there on the hotel floor. Yeah, instead he just knocks him out cold. But you don't want to kill Ty Cobb in the hotel. That's probably bad PR. This guy led the league in everything last year. You're going to kill him?

He's going to lead the league in hotel deaths, too, in a minute. Yeah, none of the other players are ever going to stay there again, I would assume at that point. You're killing ballplayers. So Ty would later plead guilty to simple assault. Oh. Simple assault. And he will be sentenced. You sentenced you sir will pay a hundred dollar fine that's steep that's steep yeah so uh now this incident also has been um told over time

as both the hotel people being black but in actuality there weren't black because the court records from that time show that all because they would note this sort of thing back then all parties involved were white so there was no yeah so there was three white guys but it's a better story if he you know yeah how much does it stink to be from the south at this time and just have one story about you be beating a black person now everything's going to be that you're the most racist person on earth and like we said he might have been a terrible awful racist we don't know i'm just that we're trying to figure it out we're not trying to defend him and say that you know oh we're not trying to like i said rewrite tycob fucking

history here we're just saying that the the facts are that the court documents, even the newspaper back then said everybody was white. Now, if you're 1909, this is tripping you out reading about Ty Cobb beating up Watchmen. You could think a little bit about here and check out the sales, Jimmy, because there's some sales in 1909.

You can get on a steamship here. Clark's Cruise of the Cleveland, 18,000 tons, brand new, superbly fitted. This is during, you know, a few years before the Titanic, by the way. Yeah, that scares the shit out of me. You go round the world.

Don't tell me how much the boat weighs. Don't do that. I don't want you. Back then, that was like, see what we can do? Don't tell me that. It says't want you. Back then, that was like, see what we can do? Don't tell me that. It says, round the world in big letters. And it says, safety, comfort, one steamer for the entire cruise, maximum convenience with elevator, grill room, gymnasium, deck, swimming pool. From New York, October 16, 1909. Nearly four months this trip takes.

This is a four month trip costing $650 and up for four months including all necessary expenses princely traveling in balmy climates entertainments lectures bad comedians you know

who got stuck on that gig for four months Jesus Christ. Card parties and chaperones for ladies in case you don't want to get diddled. Then you can also go, there's another cruise. It's a cruise to the Orient, 73 days, including 24 days in Egypt and the Holy Land with side trip to Kartour or Kart, costing only $400. Great. That is terrific.

That seems like a lot. It seems like a lot here. You can also, uh, paints, go see pains battle in the clouds with airship. I don't know what the fuck that is. Um,

I don't know what, uh, I don't know what that is. You can also go see daredevil Dan. What does he do? I don't know. He'll be, can also go see Daredevil Dan. What does he do? I don't know. It just says go see him tonight. All right.

You'll know when you get there. 25 cents for a seat. It's at the Krug Theater. And then there's a movie playing after that called The Girl from USA. The one. The one. That girl from USA. You can go to Boyd's Theater and see Billy Burke in a delightful comedy, Love Watches. So you got that.

Yeah, that sounds great. Or you can see vaudeville at the Orpheum. Good for you. So go out and do something in 1909. And it all costs a quarter. A quarter. Yeah. You'll see it for a quarter.

Unless you want to sail around the world then it's 700 650 bucks yeah that's a lot of money though right but you're spending four months on a ship four months on a ship yeah jesus christ it's that includes food and everything else so yeah for four months holy christ so 1910 going into the end of the season this is kind of the most we'll get into the sports stuff here but uh ty cobb had a 0.004 percentage lead in batting average over uh nap la joy there so that is for the american league batting title now the prize for the winner was a car the winner of the bat of the batting title got a brand new chalmers automobile okay Chalmers Motor Company, by the way, was an American car company from Detroit. Detroit, yeah.

Started in 1908 and made vehicles until 1923. They were like high-end vehicles. That's when it merged with Maxwell to form the Chrysler Corporation. Hey, you get a brand new Chrysler before it's a Chrysler. Yep, which, by the way, Ty Cobb was involved in buying stock in these companies, which eventually was General Motors, and he held shitloads of General Motors stock as well. Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

So, the way this worked is Cobb sat out the final two games to preserve his average, to sit and get his average, like Wade Boggs used to do. So, Knapp came in, though hit i got eight hits in a double header and six of those hits were bunt singles so that pissed ty off like you're

fucking that's fucked you're being cheap so later it was rumored that the opposing manager had instructed his third baseman to play deep to allow him to get these hits so they could beat Ty Cobb because everyone hated Ty Cobb. We want Naff to get the car. Everyone hated Ty Cobb. So Cobb was credited with a higher batting average. It was later discovered in the 70s that one game had been counted twice, so Ty actually lost the batting title. Oh, shit.

Now, as a result of this incident, the AL president, Ban Johnson, was forced to arbitrate the situation. He declared Ty Cobb the winner of the batting title, but the car company president, Hugh Chalmers, already gave the car to Nat. To Nat. He was like, I don't know, so he ended up just giving Ty one as well. He was like, fuck it, you both have them, I guess. So, yeah, it's a yeah it's good promotions may we look good for this so 1911 september 1st ty is arrested um he is arrested

for speeding in his car this is how much is it exactly the same how much is it exactly the same as now and he said you can keep the lamborghini i got more but he uh now we've heard of guys going at excessive speeds before yeah yeah 130 we had we had a guy going 160 at one point how fast does a chalmers go well how fast do you think he was going here did he get busted 38 he's arrested for going 24 miles an hour arrested you reckless sumbitch you crazy bastard look at you 24 the 15 is the speed limit everywhere there at that time so nine over he's doing nine over which was like crazy man times 24 jesus there's people's dogs running by him 24 i was passed by a man on a horse 24 is not that big of a deal i think there's people who can run that fast i really do i think you can i think like an olympic sprinter could beat time block to block i think so they checked

their speed i think one was doing 26 or something recently. Yeah, I don't know. Well, you can see here, maybe you want to, that inspires you to go fast. So you should check the ads out here because you can get yourself a Pullman, Everett, Hudson, and Stern car. It's like one of the platform where you're sitting up on a seat with the steering wheel and everything's open. It's one of those fucking cars. It's just fenders. Yeah. Well's well here look here if i could roll your chair over check it out look at this thing yeah it's just a carriage it's just a carriage with wheels you can get that leaf springs under the sea that's crazy that is or you can get one of these oh this is like enclosed and everything this this one looks like where they have two ladies looking at it like Victoria.

That looks like what the actors came to town in in Deadwood, like the nice carriages that would come in except with a motor. This is a Lozier Marmon Rambler and Mitchell and Mitchell Losen Marmon Rambler and Mitchell gas gasoline car. Yeah, that's what that is. So there you go. You got that wild cars or get engineering on those is mind boggling. Oh, that's what that is. So there you go. You got that. They're wild cars. The engineering on those is mind-boggling. Oh, it's crazy. Those cars are wild. Also, you can get an Indian motorcycle.

Hey! Yeah. It says, if you're thinking of buying a motorcycle, why should you buy any kind? What a weird sentence. If you are thinking of buying a motorcycle, why should you buy any kind? That's the opening sentence of this ad.

Don't buy just any kind. That's what they're trying to say. That's what they should have said. If you buy Indian, you know what you are getting. The past records talk for themselves. Let us demonstrate and prove it to you. Jesus. Okay.

Well, I'll go in there and do that. And then here's a thing that says, attention automobile owners. Now's the time to have your automobile equipped with, and this is all capital bold letters, electric lights. You should put lights on it maybe. They used to be candles, James, or kerosene. That's crazy. A small dynamo and a floating storage battery will remedy your light troubles forever. Once installed, the lights cost nothing.

A touch of a button and you'll have the most brilliant light fully guaranteed for years. battery will remedy your light troubles forever once installed the lights cost nothing a touch of a button and you'll have the most brilliant light fully guaranteed for years if interested write or phone to some fucking place it's like taping a flashlight to front of your car the lights yeah oh they're terrible but back then it was like oh you could while i'm going 15 miles an hour i can see everything and then here's an ad from the New York Dispatch here. A guy who is sitting in – I'll show you again. Roll back over here. He's sitting in one of these things.

Is that an airplane, James? It's like, yeah, he's got levers and pedals, and it's like a flapper thing. It's like a – not a plane. There's no motor in it. He's the motor. He's making himself a bird he is gonna fly cross country for fifty thousand dollars just because people want to see it done so somebody put up fifty thousand dollars yeah robert g fowler the los angeles aviator who on september 10th will start his cross-continent

flight for the fifty thousand dollar prize offered by William R. Hurst. Hurst, the fucking newspaper guy. Yeah. Fowler will fly by way of San Francisco, Reno, Ogden, Cheyenne, North Platte, Omaha, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Albany, and New York. These are all of his stuff. Is that Patty's dad? I think probably

grandfather. Related, right? Yeah, I think that's probably grandfather. Yeah, oh, it's the same family. He owns a newspaper out there, San Francisco. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that.

Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases.

She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. OK, so, um. This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor.

You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head.

It's an all-new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie Freebie or did so he said or what is known as the northern route

he must complete the trip in 30 days from the start in order to collect his prize 30 days to flap across this country 30 days and stop in like 19 places oh my god so 1912 May 15th 1912 Ty Cobb assaults a heckler. Okay.

Yep. His name is Claude Lucker. And as a comedian, we're completely on board with this. I love hecklers. We're completely on board with this. If someone wants to jump in and beat up a heckler once in a while, we go, well, you know, it's got to happen. It's got to happen. So I prefer to make fun of them, but if that's what you got to do, go ahead.

I get it. I get it. It depends on the heckle, but if it gets too far, smack them around a little. Yeah. So the Tigers are playing the New York Highlanders, which would later be the Yankees, at Hilltop Park. This is obviously pre-Yankee Stadium, which didn't come around until 23, I think. So they're playing there. This guy described by a baseball historian, Frank Russo, as a, quote,

Tammany Hall lackey and a two-bit punk. A political hanger-on and a two-bit punk. He was berating Cobb I guess every time the Tigers would come to visit this guy would get on Cobb a lot and always yell at him so they traded insults back and forth uh back and forth through the first couple of innings at one point Cobb went over to the Highlander dugout to look for the Highlander's owner to try to get the guy ejected from the game like can you kick this asshole out before I do? You know, someone's kicking someone somewhere, and don't let it be him.

Cornbread, that motherfucker. Yeah, but he couldn't find the team owner, so he was like, fuck, and he had to go keep playing. So he even found a police officer who was in the aisle and asked him to intervene, and the cop said no. Oh. So Lucker called Cobb cobb quote half n-word screamed at him okay okay that's not a heckle that was no no it wasn't a heckle anymore they

were just yelling at each other back and forth something that was, quote, reflecting on my mother's color and morals. OK, OK. So he went on to states that he, you know, then Warren, the Highlanders manager, nothing was taken. No action was taken. And, uh, by the end of the sixth inning,

uh, after being challenged by his teammates to do something about it, like this guy won't shut the fuck up. Cobb just climbed into the stands and attack the guy. Okay. Now he had, uh, he had lost all of one.

This guy had a stub, a nub for a wrist. He had one of his hands was totally gone. Oh, my God. And the other one, he only had three fingers on it because of an industrial accident. Oh, my God. And Ty's beating this man. Whooping his ass. So, some people were yelling to stop because the man had no hands.

Yeah. And Ty stood up and said, I don't care if he got no feet and then continued to beat him. Then the crowd cheered him on after that. That's a good reply, sir. He's got a point. We'll talk about some of these on our Patreon episode, but this happened during this time. Babe Ruth Cy Young went into the stands at one point. Rube Waddell went into the stands. Kid Gleason, Sherry McGee, Fred Clark. All these people were famous for going into the stands in the early 20th century. that his dad stole no no no so no that was just a that was just an insult that people would say because god forbid you're half black oh no now you're you know that was like that was just an insult in the south even though this wasn't the south i was just about to hate his dad more it

felt felt even worse doesn't it no no that would have been a way bigger deal in the 1880s in georgia that would have been he wouldn't have been punctilious anymore down there. They would have found another word for him. They would have found another word for him, I'm sure. So the league suspends Ty and his teammates strike as a protest to the suspension, not because they like Ty Cobb. They actually fucking hate Ty Cobb. But they're pissed off at the lack of protection that the league gives them from abuse from the suspension. Not because they like Ty Cobb. They actually fucking hate Ty Cobb. But they're pissed off at the lack of protection that the league gives them

from abuse from the stands. Because back then you could throw shit at the players. You wouldn't get thrown out. You could do anything. Worse than... I mean, there's one thing to be funny or clever with something you say to somebody. And it's all in the fun of being at the game and in the sport.

But just screaming shit like that. you should be able to go beat the fuck out of that guy. That's what I mean. So for the game the team protested and went on strike, Detroit had to field a replacement team that day. There's no union back then. So they just throw together hastily made up of college players and sandlot guys. They're literally going around like, that kid looks, you want to play today? You want to play for the Tigers? Yeah, we're going to play the Yankees today.

Let's go. It's fucking crazy. So this game, the Tigers and Tiger coaches were on. Two Tiger coaches who were ex-players suited up too as well. Really? They lost 24-2. They got two runs? They got two runs and set

some Major League Baseball modern era, which is post-1900s, bad records. 26 hits allowed in a nine-inning game by one pitcher, which is their pitcher threw a complete game. The Tigers pitcher threw a

complete game and gave up 24 24 runs on 26 hits and a complete game and they never pulled him um so that is pretty fucking funny i gotta say the strike ended when ty cobb told his teammates to return to the field and according to him that the ty cobb said that led to the formation of the players union which they called the ball players fraternity at that point in time so um yeah there you go uh he got in a fight with an umpire at one point he and umpire billy evans were always drawn on the field with each other i guess ty didn't like how he called the fucking strike zone or whatever so they decided during the game that they were going to settle their differences

under the grandstand after the game. I'll meet you back there for a fist fight. I'm tired of this shit. I'll be there. I'll be there. And back then, that was a contract. You had to be there. So they showed up.

Members of both teams showed up to watch. It was a rumble. They were having a – Ty's fighting the ump. Both teams showed up, cracking beers and shit. The scuffle was finally broken up after Ty had knocked Evans down, pinned him to the ground and began to choke him. That's when they were like, OK, break it up. He's choking him. That's not a fight anymore.

This is a murder. This is turning into a murder. Yeah. August 13th, 1912. Ty, Jesus Christ, he's about to board a train for Syracuse in Detroit. The train was bound for Syracuse. And he's attacked by three men, one of which stabs him. Ty gets stabbed.

Ty got stabbed. An inch-long stab between the shoulder blades. Yeah. Oh, my God, in the back. Stabbed him in the back during a fight. And then they ended up running away. In 1913, he signed a contract worth $12,000, which in 2021, that would have been $329,010. Not a bad payday.

You have to understand, too, the parks back then, they're only one level, most of them. There's no upper decks. There's no 40,000 people. This is 15,000 people. They're like the spring training 000 people training field yeah yeah that's what they look like it's a there's no tv money there's no other revenue it's what is sold there's no merchandising it's what's sold ticket prices and beers at the park is all the team takes in so guys there was no way to pay the players tons and tons of money and And grass seats in the outfield. Yeah.

Babe Ruth was the first guy to draw a crowd like that and make it so we have to build a 60,000-seat or 50-something-thousand-seat stadium because so many people want to come watch this guy. It was a spectacle because he got the non-baseball fans to want to see because he just hit the ball far. So he signs this contract there. i only tell you this because he's the first player in baseball history to earn a five-figure salary that's the first salary over ten thousand dollars ever paid to somebody was to ty cobb in 1913 and it was uh yep so there's a butcher shop incident here in 1914 june of 1914 according to to this, Mrs. Cobb, because he's married at this point, bought some fish, and the butcher shop delivered the fish, as they would do back then, and it didn't, quote,

did not measure up to the specifications that they were looking for. So she took them back, and there was a exchange between his wife and the butcher and the butcher apparently said some things the wife didn't like so um ty comes home from the ballpark and finds out that this happened so ty goes down to quote get satisfaction from carpenter who is the butcher um another half pound of trout please he's gonna get satisfaction from a lot here um he ends up tie ends up with a broken thumb after this by the way can't play for a while well he uh he gets in a fight with the guy wl carpenter a proprietor of the meat market on hamilton boulevard says he will prosecute cob for threatening him

threatening to kill him and backing up the threat by thrusting a revolver in his face. I pulled a gun on him, put it in his face and said, Bitch, I told you that fish is stinky. He pulled a gun over poor fish quality. That's wild. He's wilder than anybody we've ever had before. No one's ever been that crazy right or he just backs up his woman to a fault yeah what'd you say to my wife uh she said it's not

good holy shit uh this is right from the old newspaper uh the trouble carpenter said arose over the sale of fish to mrs cobb An argument over the telephone ensued in which the butcher said Mrs. Cobb told him she was through trading there. I'm glad of it and I don't want your trade, Carpenter, he said. He replied to Mrs. Cobb. Later Cobb went to Carpenter's store. Quote, Cobb acted like a crazy

man, flourishing his gun about and telling me he would blow my head off, said Carpenter. He said I insulted his wife i told him i never saw his wife and wouldn't know her if i saw her um so harold harding 20 years old employed by carpenter thrust himself in front of his employer jesus christ they didn't even have minimum wage back then he's gonna take a bullet for him he's making three bucks a week is this gonna secret service agent what the fuck is happening that's a great employee you never you keep that guy forever he cares about meat

holy shit uh it is said cobb knocked harding down get out of the way i want to shoot that guy move kid carpenter took a hand and was promptly knocked down okay The police arrived and Cobb was arrested. At a late hour tonight, Charles Navin, secretary of the Detroit Baseball Club, went into conference with Captain Palmer in regard to getting Cobb released, the first silver-haired middle-aged white man. There he is.

There he is. Holy shit. Mr. Navin. Wow. Cobb had a badly cut right hand and it is doubtful if he'll be able to play the game for a few days. So if they're saying a cut and they also say a broken thumb, we don't know. So they release Ty Cobb after that.

That is hilarious, by the way. I will shoot your wife. I will shoot you. It feels like he broke the display case or something, right? Maybe. With the gun? Maybe. He could have done that.

I don't know, but that's what he did. Either way, there's an ad next to it that says, Your grocer sells Stickney and pours mustard. Tell him nothing else will suit you. That's the whole ad. So tell your grocer. That's a solid way to advertise something. They sell it.

Tell them you don't want anything else. Tell them to get that other shit off the shelves. It's contaminating my good mustard. Oh, man. So Ty ends up pleading guilty to disturbing the peace. Or it seems like assault with a deadly weapon. But they're going to go with disturbing the peace. What about displaying a peace?

He is fined $50 for this. $ bucks you can punch out a kid and threaten to murder somebody oh my god um very quickly here we'll go through his averages from 1910 to 1914 1911. Jesus. 419. He bat 419 on the season? 419. 419, Jimmy. 419 with a 1,086 OPS. Holy shit. 127 RBIs. 83 stolen bases, mind you, too.

24 triples. People lead the league with eight triples now. 24 triples. 47 doubles. Eight the league with eight triples now 10 24 triples 47 doubles eight home runs by the way he led the league with nine in 1909 home runs um yeah this is a lot 148 runs he hits 409 the next year 409 two back-to-back highest averages ever right fucking unreal in the modern era and this is the dead ball era this isn't there's the modern eras post 1900 but then this is still the dead ball era where the ball was like a it was like almost a spongy tobacco-y shit spit thing then they livened up the balls because they figured out that hitting the ball brings people to the park rather than weak grounders and that's action yeah so Ty was hitting the shit out of a dead ball.

So 4.09 he hits there. He hits 3.89 in 1913 and then 3.68 in 1914. Just killing it. Won the MVP, by the way, in 1911, I would say, with a 4.19 average. Jesus, what do you have to do? So 1917 here, during spring training ty showed up late for a dallas spring training double header against the giants because he went golfing really yeah several giants including buck herzog called him names from the bench uh so cob retaliated by

spiking herzog during the second game. Spiked him good, too. Yeah. Old school metal spikes up high. Yeah. Right. It was a thigh or a stomach, probably, which prompted a bench-clearing brawl in which Ty Cobb got a hold of Herzog and rubbed his face in the dirt. We know this because that's how he was found by the Dallas Police Department as they ran onto the field to try to stop the brawl while this violence was going on. And Ty got thrown out of the game.

So both the teams were staying at the same hotel afterwards. Oh, shit. Seems like a recipe for disaster, the Oriental Hotel. And at dinner that evening, Herzog walked up to Cobb and challenged him to a fight. Again. Again. So they met an hour later in Cobb's room. Ty said, sure, let me go get my room ready,

and they went to fight upstairs. See you in 312. He moved all the furniture out of the way and poured water all over the floor. This is no carpeting, mind you. So Cobb had leather-soled shoes, and he saw that Herzog had tennis shoes on, so he knew he'd have better traction. That's why he poured water on the floor.

So he soaked it, yeah. So he soaked it. The fight lasted for 30 minutes. Jesus Christ. Imagine fighting for 30 minutes. That's ridiculous. Over what? Over him insulting him because he was late for the game.

That's what it was. Wow. Him insulting him because he was late for the game. That's what it was. Wow. Over the course of which, Cobb knocked Herzog down a shitload of times. I guess six times is the general consensus count. And Herzog only knocked Cobb down once.

The scuffle left Herzog's face all bloodied and his eyes all shut. So the manager, McGraw, was vowing revenge against Ty Cobb, manager of the Giants. So Cobb skipped the rest of the exhibition series and went to Cincinnati to train with the Reds, who were managed by Christy Mathewson, who was a friend of his. Exhibition game. Yep. Fighting for exhibitions. Exhibition game. He later on expressed the deepest respect for Herzog because of the way he conducted himself in that fight.

He really took the punches. He had balls, at least. He ate. He ate those punches. 1917, Cobb stars in a motion picture. He's in the pictures. Oh, boy. He's in the movies.

He's in the pictures. Yes, Somewhere in Georgia is the name of this movie. He's in movies now. That's how much of a celebrity he is. Is it a documentary about a teacher who steals a child? Actually, that's probably in there because it is the story of his life.

It's him playing himself as the story of his life. It's called Somewhere in Georgia. He makes $25,000 off of it. So that's what they pay him, which is $529,000 now. It's based on a story by Grantland Rice, the famous sports columnist. The film casts Cobb as himself as a small-town Georgia bank clerk with a talent for baseball. The Broadway critic Ward Morehouse called the movie, quote,

absolutely the worst flicker I ever saw. Pure hokum. Pure hokum. It's hokum, I tell you, hokum. Bullshit, I'll never watch anything like it again. Oh, my God. Let's hear the description of the movie as they described it. Cobb stars as a small-town Georgian bank clerk with a talent for baseball.

I pictured him from Georgia, like, by Russia. Right. You want deposit? Come here. Put in. Put in. We both take vodka together. I just make him to rush the guy that drives me to the airport.

He's from Georgia, and he's the funniest fucking guy in the world. He drives like a psychopath and loves nothing more than to show me pictures of dead Russian soldiers in the war. Because his friends from Georgia, because Russia invaded Georgia, too. So his friends from Georgia went to Ukraine to kill Russians because they love it so much. He goes, look, dead Russian. Fuck Putin. Ah, fuck Putin. I go on Facebook page of Russia.

I write fuck Putin under all the posts that like him. Fuck him. And I just roll laughing in the back seat. He's so passionate. Bank clerk in Georgia. That's him, a Georgian bank clerk. When he's signed to play with the Detroit Tigers, Cobb is forced to leave his sweetheart behind, whereupon a crooked bank cashier sets his sights on the girl.

Upon learning that Cobb has briefly returned home to play an exhibition game with his old team, the cashier arranges for our hero to be kidnapped. What? Not kidnapped. He's already gone. Why bother? This is not his life story. No, no, no, no no no it's i mean it's uh breaking loose from his bonds cobb beats up all of his captors and shows up at the ball field just in time to win the game for the home team he showed up like marvin barnes at halftime

this is 1909 space jam this is yeah that's what it is. 1917 Space Jam. First it was Ty Cobb, then Jordan, then LeBron. Jordan was kidnapped by aliens, so it's the same thing. He was. I mean, forced to play. February 28, 1918, Ty Cobb is arrested. Oh, boy. Yes, he's arrested in the afternoon by detectives for breaking into a freight car.

It's not Ty Cobb, our Ty Cobb. It's another guy named Ty Cobb, and they made a big deal. The newspaper put a big headline that said, Ty Cobb arrested, just to get people to pick it up and read it and look at it. And then it says later on, the man arrested is not the Ty Cobb that is so dear to baseball fans, but a white man unknown to local police. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. But they put it like a big deal. That's a little yellow journalism, I guess.

So in October 1918, Cobb enlists in the Chemical Corps, which is a branch of the United States Army. Where did this fucking come from? He's like 30 years old, too. What are we doing? This is World War I's going on. He's sent to the Allied Expeditionary Forces headquarters in Chamont, France, and he serves 67 days overseas before receiving an honorable discharge and returning. He had to go to say he went.

That's what it is. He was given the rank of captain underneath the command of major branch ricky who is the guy who brought up jackie robinson he's the guy who worked for the cardinals and the dodgers and invented the invented training camp and the minor league system and all that kind of shit he's a huge given the rank of captain captain under major branch ricky people work their lives for that shit they they they're not hitting 415 the year before though that's the difference captain ty cough jesus other other baseball players at that time was captain christy matthewson who got ruined. Chemicals destroyed his lungs,

and he came back. He couldn't play anymore, and then he ended up dying from his wounds of World War I. Christy Mathewson's a terribly fucking horribly sad story, dude. He got mustard gas destroyed his lungs. Ruined him from World War I. And Lieutenant George Sisler,

who was a manager as well. So they were all assigned to the Gas and Flame Division. Jesus. Wow. Where they trained soldiers in preparation for chemical attacks by exposing them to gas chambers in a controlled environment, which was eventually responsible for Mathewson getting all fucked up and contracting tuberculosis, which left him dead in 1925. which left him dead in 1925. So on August 19th, 1921, the second game of a doubleheader with the Red Sox,

Ty collects his 3,000th hit that day. He was 34 at the time, and he's still the youngest player to ever hit 3,000. Is that right? Still. The fewest at bats as well. 8,093. So, there you go. It's like batting 380 through 8,000 hits. I read off his averages.

That's what he hits every year. Unreal. It averages out. It's crazy. 1925, February 28th, 1925. Wow, the end of February is bad for him. He's arrested again. He gets arrested a lot. Have you noticed that?

That is right in the middle of the end of the season. You know what I mean? Season's about to start soon. Right before training camp. Got to get hammered all the time. Yep. I think he's going, and this is, I think, what happened here. He gets in an argument with a waitress over a check and gets arrested for this.

Okay? He lost track how many he had? The old Georgia peach did not like the bill here. Apparently, Jesus Christ, he gets arrested for disorderly conduct. He was taken to the police station after the argument with a waitress over a lunch check. A lunch check. It's not even dinner. The manager's wife, called by the waitress over a lunch check a lunch check it's not even dinner the manager's wife called by

the waitress summoned the police the policeman rang in and uh cobb prevailed upon himself to allow him to call a taxi and then they rode to the police station so he said i don't want to come in the police car let me take a taxi to the police station and they said sure why not he posted 11 bond and departed so uh may 5th 1925 ty cobb sick of hearing about how great babe ruth is because this is after now babe ruth's the biggest thing in the world he tells her tells a reporter that for the first time in his career he's going to try to hit home runs he said he wants to show that he could hit home runs if he wanted to he just simply chooses not to yeah i'm trying to win the game so that day he went six for six with two singles a double and three home runs oh you're not kidding no uh the 16 total bases set a new american league record which stood until 2012 when josh hamilton another crime and sports alumni broke it. I think we talked about it. That was the day he hit four home runs and a double and had 18 total bases.

The next day, Ty had three more hits, two home runs. So the single his first time up gave him nine consecutive hits over three games, while his five homers in two games tied the record, which had been set in 1884. Shit. By the end of the series, he was 12 for 19 with 29 total bases and then he just went back to playing how he played he just said see i could hit home runs and then did that so um uh yeah but in 1930 grantlin rice asked ty cobb to name the best hitter he's ever seen including yourself yourself. You can put yourself in there.

He said immediately right back, he said, quote, you can't beat the babe. Ruth is one of the few men who can take a terrific swing and still meet the ball solidly. His timing is perfect. No one has the combined power and eye of Ruth. So he ended up giving him his props, which is interesting. 1927, he's going to sue the league. There's a big mess, and the Major League Baseball commissioner, what was his name? Tennessee Mountain Landis, that fucking idiot.

He's an asshole. He's a huge asshole. He's a huge asshole. He said that in a speech or something, made a remark that he lumped Trish Speaker and Ty Cobb in with disreputable people who might be like, you know, taking gamblers money to throw games and shit like that. So the fucking libelize somebody. Is that what that is? That's that's that's pretty much it is. And that's what they're saying. the american league backs him up the american league president van johnson says

i don't believe ty cobb ever played a dishonest game in his life if that's the exoneration he seeks i gladly give it to him but it is from landis cobb should demand an explanation the american league ousted cobb but it was landis who broadcast the story of his mistakes i love ty cobb i never knew a finer player. I don't think he's been a good manager, because he manages at the end of his career, and I've had to strap him as a father straps an unruly boy. Jesus. But I know Ty Cobb's not a crooked player.

Come over my knee, Ty. Let's go. You grown man. Yeah. He said, we let him go because he had written a peculiar letter about a betting deal that he couldn't explain. And because I felt that he had violated a position of trust. So he says he's going to sue. It's a fucking mess.

It turns into a real mess here. So we'll go past that. Yeah. He said he's everybody says they don't they don't think that he's crooked ever. Everyone's like, he's not crooked. He plays hard and all that kind of shit. But so did Pete Rose, so who the hell knows? One guy says, quote, Ty has always been violent in his likes and dislikes.

That's a really good sentence. Yes. Jesus Christ, man. That is amazing. So, yeah. He has a few kids, by the way. Three sons, two daughters. One of them, the first one is, of course, Tyrus Raymond Jr.

You betcha. Of course it's a junior. And he has Shirley and he has Herschel, named after his dad, and James and Beverly. So, junior. Yeah, I got it because my dad touched a daughter somebody's daughter you see how old you are sweetheart grandpa married grandma when grandma was just your age now run along and play with your dolls that's what that is named after a pedophile fuck wow um tyrus raymond jr would go on to flunk out of princeton where he played on the varsity tennis team.

His father's pissed. So Ty Cobb went to Princeton to the campus and beat his son with a whip. Holy shit. Like in public. Oh, my gosh. He showed up with a whip to beat his son. That's wild. Kids are going, Jesus, i thought my dad was tough kids are called

dad i just wanted to say hi and uh i just love you you know what i mean i love you dad thank you for not whipping me in public i'm gonna get it up don't worry i'm gonna i'm gonna work on this real hard fuck so he ended up uh entering yale after that tyrus Jr., and became captain of the tennis team while improving his academics, but he's arrested twice in 1930 for drunkenness. Okay. And he leaves Yale without graduating. So Ty helped his son deal with the legal problems, paid for his lawyers,

and then permanently broke off communication with him. Ty Jr. Ty Sr. said, I don't want to talk to you him. You're an embarrassment. Ty Sr. said, I don't want to talk to you anymore. You're an embarrassment. Yeah, but Ty Jr., he cut him out of his life. He cut Ty Jr. out of his life, yep. Ty Jr., well, he's got one more bump in the road we'll talk about,

but he ended up reforming himself and earning an M.D. from the Medical College of South Carolina and practiced, he's an obstetrician and gynecologist in Dublin, Georgia, until his death at 42, by the way, from a brain tumor. Shit. Father remained distant the whole time, though. Never really. Not even proud of him. Your son became a doctor.

Didn't care. It's not fun docking, but. No. I'm just going to quickly go through the next few years of his career, right to the end. 1915, 369. 1916, 370. 1917, 383. 1918, 382.

1919, 384. One of the best ever. 334, 1920. 389 in 1921. 1922, think he was done hitting 400? Nope, 401 in 1922. 23, he hits 340. 338 in 24.

378 in 25. 339 in 26. Goes to Philadelphia here in 1927. And they'll actually go, I believe, um, they get edged out by the Yankees to go to the world series. Cause it's the 27 Yankees, which are, it's literally like a cliche, like,

Oh, like the 27 Yankees, this team. Yeah. Murderers row, all that shit. Then finally in, uh,

19, so 2070 hits three 57, 19, 20, 80 hits three 23. That's the end of his career. 24 years. His lifetime bat. It's 323. That's the end of his career. 24 years. His lifetime batting average is 366.

24 years of that. Which is the highest all-time lifetime, which is the highest lifetime batting average in the history of the major leagues. 366. Nobody touches it. Shit. Nobody comes close to that. So he also had 897 stolen bases 1944 rbi 295 triples 724 doubles and at the time a record that will stand for a long fucking time till pete rose comes 4,189 hits. Shit. 4,189 hits, which is insane.

He hit 323 consecutive seasons, which is a record that I doubt anyone's ever going to break again. No one's going to play that long and be that consistent. And pitching is insane now, too. Well, it's just specialized. It's just specialized. I mean, back then the bats were shit. It was hard both ways. Yeah, yeah. It's just specialized. I mean, back then the bats were shit. It was hard both ways.

It was hard. He stole home plate 54 times in his career. Oh, my God. 54 times. And was successful at it? Yeah, he stole successfully home plate 54 times, which is 21 more than his next closest, which is some guy from the 1800s.

That's never going to get touched either. Max Carey. No, no one steals home anymore. He is credited with setting 90 major league records during his career. His combined total of 4,065 runs scored and batted in is still the highest ever produced by any major leaguer. Still. He still holds several records at the as at the end of 2022 anyway highest career average most career batting titles with 11 um or 12 if you count the one with nap there several other records he had for a long time

his hit record until pete rose broke it um uh most career runs he had until 2001 when Ricky Henderson, I believe, broke it. Most career games played, 3,035. At-bats he had until 1974 as well. And he also had the modern record for most stolen bases until 1977. So he had the record for 50 years for stolen bases too after he retired and you know he may be probably is a giant piece of shit yeah yeah yeah but he's a drunken asshole he could have been so much worse oh yeah he could have been a monster but he was we don't know we that's what i mean it's hard to tell 150 years ago unless it was really if it was documented back then of the things.

But it's not. It's documented from a 1955 book, which had nothing to do with anything we'll talk about. So and I mean, he was that could have been in that he could have had a pass to be a bigger. Yeah, he was such a hero. Oh, absolutely. He's the youngest player ever to compile 4000,000 hits and score 2,000 runs. But he also has 271 errors, which is the most by any American League outfielder ever. Oh, he was drunk, James. That's the thing. Well, he wasn't a good fielder. Everybody said he was a shit fielder.

Like, not a good fielder. He's seen two balls. Well, then how'd he hit? I don't know. Yeah. Because he can see two balls. He's not a good fielder well then how do you hit i don't know yeah because it's not a good fielder so over his career his salaries he's i'll hit one of them if i hit the top one it works so 19 i'll just go through this from 1907 uh 1907 to 1928 these are his baseball salaries 2400 4500 4500 9 000 9 000 $2,400, $4,500, $4,500, $9,000, $9,000, $9,000, $11,333, $15,000, $20,000, $20,000, $20,000, $20,000, $20,000, $20,000, $25,000, $35,000, $40,000, $40,000, $40,000, $40,000, $50,000, and then $35,000. thousand dollars forty thousand forty thousand forty thousand forty thousand fifty thousand and

then thirty five thousand that's four hundred three hundred okay four hundred ninety one thousand two hundred thirty three dollars is what they not good which back then shit loads of money but still i mean for what he did a good God, he was huge. Yeah. So, like we said, he's terrible with the fielding. Here's some quotes from Ty. Quote, I often tried plays that looked recklessly daring, maybe even silly, but I never tried anything foolish when a game was at stake, only when we were far ahead or far behind. I did it to study how the other team reacted

filing it away in my mind uh any observations for future use so yeah he would just do shit to see how they'd react like like a like a body language specialist or something to say that to see how what they do student of the game he said at one point in 1930, quote, my system was all offense. I believed in putting up a mental hazard for the other fellow. If we were five or six runs ahead, I'd try some wild play, such as going from first to home on a single. This helped to make the other side hurry the play in a close game later on. I worked out all the angles I could think of to keep them guessing and hurrying. Everything was for later. He said he'd run into like one of

his friends on the other team and he would ignore them wouldn't say hi so they'd be like what's ty what's up man and he'd just walk away so he thought that little thing might make him hit that much less yeah than me and i'll be better um what the fuck yeah so 1931 he's gonna get a divorce here oh he's been married for 23 years he has five kids he's you know uh he's going to get a divorce here. He's been married for 23 years. He has five kids. He's retired. She wants a divorce from him charging cruelty. She files a suit against him

and wants to file a suit against him for that. She takes it back. She puts it back in. There's like eight different divorce filings before they finally get divorced. It's a good relationship. 1935, Ty Jr.'s back in. There's like eight different divorce filings before they finally get divorced in the end here. 1935, Ty Jr.'s arrested again, charged with assault and battery upon

19-year-old Julia Connor. Yeah. Oh, this is Herschel Cobb. This isn't Ty Jr. This is Herschel Cobb, another one, in the complaint, but he vehemently declared it was nothing but a frame up he said that's okay 1936 ty's mom dies he does not attend the funeral he hates her he fucking hates her he

loved his dad he hated his mom even though she was a basically a hostage from 12. right she was groomed for christ's sake, Ty. I mean, how do you expect her to behave? Not even groomed, just married. She didn't even go through the grooming process. He was like, I like that girl and picked her out and then married her on her. I'm going to marry her on her daddy's porch, whether anybody likes it or not.

I'm punctilious. So 1936 is the Hall of Fame. This is the opening year of the Hall of Fame. This is the opening year of the Hall of Fame. Ty is the first man voted into the Hall of Fame. Wow. First man.

The election results were announced. Ty had been named on 222 of 226 ballots, which was more than Babe Ruth, Onus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, and Walter Johnson, who were the only ones to earn the necessary 75% of the votes. His 98.2% of votes was a record until 1992 when Tom Seaver got 98.8% of the votes. Holy shit. And I think Cal Ripken got 99-point-something% of the votes. Holy shit. And I think Cal Ripken got 99 point something percent of the votes. And then Mariano Rivera finally, for the first time in history, got a unanimous fucking entrance because who the shit is going to vote against that guy?

How do you vote against that? And you think about those names, too. They're all universally beloved in baseball. They're the best of what they do yeah they're the legends of the legends of the legends uh so they said that even though a lot of the press hated him personally they respected the way he played and you couldn't couldn't sneeze at his numbers so um yeah they they said uh everybody said he hated babe ruth like we said um but cobb actually because if you think about it ty co, the game is all how he's playing it.

Get a single, you steal a base, you spike a guy, you do that, you move along. And Babe Ruth, all of a sudden he comes in bashing these home runs. He's a fat guy. He doesn't care. He's bad. He's like Chris Farley bouncing around hitting home runs, but hitting bombs. And people are coming and they're building giant stadiums to watch him and he's the cover of all the news and you're like i'm hitting four

i'm hitting four fucking hundred what the fuck nobody okay great it's all him then it's one of those things so um yeah that had to be like that he took cobb loved that he got more votes than babe ruth for the hall of fame yeah he loved it um he loved that he had theb loved that he got more votes than Babe Ruth for the Hall of Fame yeah he loved it um he loved that he had the most he thought that was great he of course boycotted the ceremony though he wouldn't show up due to an ongoing feud with the commissioner since he called him a cheater back in the day here uh one of Cobb's sons said that his father was more proud of the Hall of Fame voting than anything else in his entire career. Shit, yeah. 1936.

Oh, I told you about that. Never mind. Okay. So Ty and Babe start playing golf after that. Is that right? Yeah. He made friends with Babe Ruth, and they were both kind of estranged from baseball and both kind of sad about the whole thing.

So they went out doing a golf exhibition together, which Ty Cobb called the Has-Been's Golf Championship of Nowhere in Particular. I love it. That's awesome. That's really awesome. They had matches over three days, three matches over three days. Ty won the first day. Babe won the second day. But then Ty said, I know

that Babe's going to get shit-hammered the night before this last one. I'll help him get shit-hammered. And then Ty won the last game easy. Because he helped him be nice and hungover. Now, his investments. First of all, these contracts that he got were huge

contracts for the time. It sounds like nothing, but he's the first guy to make five figures. I mean, he's- He doesn't need all of that money. He's pushing the envelope, so he's a good negotiator. Stocking Coca-Cola and General Motors made, by the time the late 50s come around, he's worth $12 million. Shit. Which is insane.

So much money. Yeah, we'll talk about the inflation and all that. A car and a house. A car and a house will cost you $43,000 back then. If that, yeah. If that. So also, he is known for taking care of several players who had no money. This is like pre-good pensions and shit like that.

So there was some of these guys like Mickey Cork, uh, Corcoran who were down on their luck alcoholics and they had nothing. And Ty Cobb literally sent them checks every week. He sent them paychecks, Jimmy. I mean, he took care of several,

but that's a fact. We know that for a fact, he took care of several people, um, which is pretty wild, honestly. Uh, 1945, he donated a hundred thousand000 to the town of Royston, Georgia, to establish a hospital in his parents' name. And that would become the cornerstone of the Ty Cobb Health Care System, which operates hospitals in Franklin, Hart, and Madison County still today.

You got a broken bone? Go on down to the child diddler hospital. Yeah, kid diddle, he'll diddle your right out and make you feel better. You'll be running away from him as he's trying to touch your butthole. Don't worry about that. Your leg will feel better in no time. They will take care

of you against your will. Man, you won't even. The care is so good you won't even. Care is so good it's not even voluntary. That's how good it is. In 1953 he established the Cobb Educational Fund, which continues to provide monies totaling about 13 million dollars as of 2022 for college for college to needy Georgia residents as well. He's a hero. That's weird as shit. He turned into kind of a different guy later in his life.

He started being very positive toward people that he was negative to before. Players, Babe Ruth, everybody like that. In the 40s and 50s, he was known to talk very positively about Stan Musial, Phil Rizzuto, Jackie Robinson, but not many other players. He picked a few that he liked, and he would always talk about how great they were and fuck everybody else. But those are great. Usual Rizzuto Robinson. Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame. What do you want?

So he also was known to help out young players. He was instrumental in helping Joe DiMaggio negotiate his rookie contract with the Yankees. Is that right? He'd been out of baseball for 10 years already when that happened. So he just did that. I don't know. In 1949, at the age of 62, he marries a 40-year-old woman. Okay.

Named Frances. Yeah. Yeah, 22 years younger. Named Frances Fairbarn Cass, who was a divorcee from Buffalo. They had no kids. It failed as well. In 1956, who was a divorcee from Buffalo. They had no kids. It failed as well. 1956, they get a divorce. So, yeah, this is when he was donating all sorts of money and all sorts of shit like that.

1954, he's arrested. He thought he was done by now, right? What do you got to do to get arrested at that age? He's old as fuck. He's arrested and booked for drunk driving and driving without a license. Yep, there he is here. He's living in Glenbrook, Nevada, which is where he's arrested. Really?

Very weird. Well, he'll end up in San Francisco, which is strange as well. Ty Cobb in San Francisco is just an odd two places to put together to pp an odd pairing of person in place uh not much weirder than nevada that's weird too uh december 1959 he's diagnosed with prostate cancer diabetes high blood pressure and brights disease you mean living a full life they call that a full house i think isn't that a full house of diseases i don't know what brights is but i got a feeling it comes along with old age and abusing yourself fucking drinking for 70 years yeah now here's the whole thing of where the controversy came from

here uh during his final years he began working on his autobiography, My Life in Baseball, The True Record, with writer Al Stump. Cobb retained editorial control over the book and published the version that presented him in a positive light. They wrote a book like that. Now, Stump, the author, would claim that the collaboration was contentious, and after Cobb's death, we waited until he died, contentious and after cobb's death we waited till he died stump published two more books and a short story giving uh what he said was the true story okay okay one of these later books was used as the basis for the 1994 film cobb starring tommy lee jones um there now in 2010 an article by uh w or william r cobb no relation to ty cobb in the peer-reviewed the national pastime which is the official publication of the society for

american baseball research saber and they're they are meticulous you want to talk meticulous holy shit you think people know about like wars and things like that? You get a bunch of fucking baseball nerds in a room? Oh my God, will they find it. Holy shit. They know which one of Ty Cobb's balls hung lower. They know. Trust me.

So they said they accused Stump of extensive forgeries of Cobb related documents and diaries. They say he just made all this shit up whole cloth and then said, look, it's Ty Cobb's diary and it wasn't really even his fucking diary. Why do that? Why want to be the foremost speaker on a particular person when what you're saying is bullshit? Yeah. The article further accuses Stump of numerous false statements about Cobb in the last years, most of which were sensationalistic in nature and intended to cast Cobb in an unflattering light. So and you don't know who to believe because you just don't.

You don't know who to believe here. I mean, this guy was around Cobb. That's the thing. Well, he was he forged his diaries and shit like that. This guy has a lot to gain by lying, like book sales and shit, whereas Sabre really doesn't have anything to gain by – they don't have anything to gain by anything. There's no money in baseball nerddom of the dead ball era. No one cares about that shit. So they're doing this for love of the game, to use a term.

I got to kind of believe them a little bit more. I got to kind of believe them a little bit more. And there's things like Ty Cobb was one of the guys pushing for integration in baseball. He thought that black players should be playing baseball in the majors well before it happened. He was pushing for that. Fuck what their color is. I want the best players here. And that's what he said.

He wants the best competition and he should be able to player should the best player should play against each other. What the fuck are we talking about? We're all in the same uniforms was what I think one of the what he said. He wants the best competition, and the best players should play against each other. What the fuck are we talking about? We're all in the same uniforms was, I think, one of the quotes he said. The uniform that matters. Get out there and play. Everybody's got a bat and a ball and a glove. It doesn't matter. So he also was known to throw out the first pitch after he retired in a lot of Negro League games. He'd go to the games and wave and throw out the first pitch to pump up the crowd to get the ticket sales that night.

Feels like a real racist thing to do, James. Why? That's my point. It's like it's not racist. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, really? I was trying to think of why it would be racist. I'm like, I think he was trying to support them and get more tickets, more people in the stands.

So that kind of stuff, that's incontrovertible. There's press accounts and pictures of him doing this. He definitely did those things that's not to say that he didn't go off afterwards and be like oh that place smelled n words and that damn people are stealing our women or whatever i don't know what the fuck he was saying but who knows what he was saying but his actions publicly were a lot different than that so i'm not sure what the what the truth is probably somewhere in the middle i'm going to say like most truths um he gets sick in his last days he spent some time with an old movie comedian named joe e brown talking about the choices he made in his life and brown said that cobb said he felt he made many mistakes and would do things differently if he could he said he played hard and lived hard

as all of his life and he had no friends to show for it and that's what he regretted oh that's fucked um he's asked by a reporter at the end of his life he asked the reporter how he thought he would fare in the modern game like how do you think you're doing again today you know what i mean in the early 60s and he said i'd hit about 300 and they said wow only 300 you think and he goes you got to remember i'm 73 years old oh my god he means at this age he means right now that's that's pretty funny that's obviously a joke and it's funny as shit that's really funny so he was still sharp uh he claimed to have been drunk the last 40 years i've been hammered i mean i'm sober now i could probably

hit the ball i could i only see one now it's good he says he had no regrets he says i've been hammered. I mean, I'm sober now. I could probably hit the ball. I only see one now. It's good. He says he had no regrets. He says, I've been lucky. I have no right to be regretful of what I did here. He was taken to Emory University Hospital in June 1961, and he falls into a diabetic coma, and he dies on July 17, 1961 at the age of 74 years old. 17th, 1961 at the age of 74 years old. His first wife, his first wife, his son Jimmy and some other family members came to be with him for his final days at his funeral. A lot of friends and everything like that. Only three people from baseball attended his funeral.

Three. That's how much everybody fucking hated him. That's the other thing. How much of an asshole do you have to be to make no friends in the league? You know, like Michael Jordan was an asshole, but guys still talk to him. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't get how much of an asshole do you. The number one draft pick for the Hall of Fame in history. It's crazy.

We're not going to go say goodbye? Yep. Ray Schalk, Mickey Cochran, who I know he supported for 30 years. He sent him a check every week or every month. And Nap Rucker, along with Sid Keener, the director of the Baseball Hall of Fame. But people sent notes. Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, all those people sent notes, but nobody showed up. but nobody showed up.

So at the time of his death, his estate was worth at least $11.78 million, equivalent to $107 million today. Holy shit. No athletes had $100 million back then. No. Nobody. This was, that's crazy.

Who gets that? His kids, I guess? He had $10 million worth of General Motors stock from way the fuck back then and $1.78 million in Coca-Cola stock. His will left a quarter of his estate to the Cobb Educational Fund and distributed the rest among his children and grandchildren. Awesome. So, yeah, that's nice. So, yeah, that's nice. As of 2021, the Ty Cobler, was a noted advocate for racial equality. Like he got some schools didn't want him around because he was so such an advocate for equality in the races. So he didn't want schools to be segregated, any of that shit. So they think that Al Stump and Charles Alexander are the where all the stories of racial like hardcore.

Like they made it so his whole being was just to hate black people you know what i mean so i don't think it was that much i don't think he was like let's just help the black folk i don't think i think it was probably in the middle so um they said five years after jackie robinson broke the color barrier cobb publicly supported blacks and whites playing baseball together adding certainly it's okay for them to play i see no reason in the world why we shouldn't compete with colored athletes as long as they conduct themselves with politeness and gentility. Well, that's a little racist, but as long as they don't come out here just spitting watermelon seeds all over the place,

dropping chicken bones, carrying our women on, you know, them things they do, you know, it's a little racist. Yeah. He said, let me also say that no white man has the right to be less of a gentleman than a colored man in my book that goes not only for baseball but in all walks of life so he said everybody's standard we all be gentlemen yeah he even clarified well that's actually not bad he probably realized after saying it oh boy that sounds like that didn't. Yeah. As long as they can get their shit together. What I mean is. In 1952, he told the Sporting News, quote, the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly, but wholeheartedly.

And in 1953, black newspapers cited his praise for Brooklyn Dodgers catcher Roy Campanella, who Cobb said was among the best catchers in baseball, and Campanella had that accident that had him paralyzed. The Dodgers staged a tribute where tens of thousands of spectators held lit matches over their heads, and Cobb wrote the Dodgers owner to show appreciation for what you did for this fine young man. So he also said, quote, that Willie Mays was the only player that at that time

that he'd ever pay money to see i mean that's a great player so yeah and then in the in the obituaries that ran in the black press following his death he was praised for quote speaking in favor of racial freedom in baseball so at the time everybody thought of him as a as like an anti-segregationist like uh you know he was thought of as like a bleeding heart right and then by the time tommy lee jones comes in he's the most virulent fucking awful george wallace level racist that you could fucking imagine he's keeping kids out of the out of school and shit like it's so i don't know what the truth is but hey now we know it's but we don't know what the fuck it is anyway that's maybe that i don't know and uh but he led a hell of a life i'll say that much he did some crazy shit that is wild

maybe tommy lee should just stick to those dumb men in black movies just do that or guard some cheerleaders or do whatever you got to do i I don't know. Stop ruining men's legacies. Well, it's the author that did it. I mean, it was all we just accepted that because the guy said he had diaries and stuff showing how awful he was. But then they found out that they were all forgeries. The guy had a bunch of he forged a bunch of shit to make Ty Cobb look interesting enough to sell more books about. That's all. So who knows?

400 is interesting enough. But but look sports doesn't sell to everybody uh racism does it does so there you go that is ty cobb everybody hope you enjoyed that and that will be kind of a lot of the episodes will be shorter than this we went a little bit longer because it's ty cobb he played forever and he's a a big guy but uh yeah so this is kind of what it'll be like hope you enjoyed that get on apple podcast or whatever app you're listening on and give us five stars it really does help us out helps drive us up the chart and let your friends know that crime and sports is sticking around tell people you know who might like it spread it on social media honestly the crime and sports movement needs you get out there spread the word of this show because that's the best way that it spreads

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