Crime in Sports - #348 - A Booze, Pills & Crack Guy - John "The Berzerker" Nord

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

This week, we dive back into the "brain damage sports" with a man who played both pro football, and had a decent career as a wrestler. He's a giant Minnesota guy, who grew up with many of the famous wrestlers of the 80s & 90s, but never quite broke through to the main event level. Where he is a main event talent, is in getting arrested. He has been arrested over 15 times for basically the same thing! Keep this man away from all car keys! He's certainly a menace, but a very entertaining menace, who has done enough crazy stuff for 3 normal lifetimes!!Be a giant man in Minnesota, follow in the mold of Bruiser Brody, and never drive, if you're sober enough to see the road with John "The Berzerker" Nord!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's the weirdest thing in the world. So let's get into this. It's a wrestling episode. These are terrific. You know, we only get them every, what, two and a half, three months because you've got to space them out. I'd love to do just wrestling episodes, but the show would have been over seven years ago yeah i'm grateful for this too because it's opened my

eyes to the world of uh wrestling twitter which is oh it's amazing magnificent it's incredible that's the thing wrestling is such a subculture and wrestling fans are such a subculture and then there's subcultures within the subcultures. You know what I mean? As far as there's eras where people are real. It's almost like the saber people with baseball where they're like, I'm an expert in the dead ball era. I know everything about 1907 to 1913. But that's how wrestling fans are. They have their areas of expertise.

And it's a very interesting subculture. There's still very little money to be made in it if you're not it's again harkens back just like comedy yeah just like a million times they've all got side hustles happening or they go overseas or whatever you're running around with your merch fans yeah these indie wrestlers they run around with their merch with all this shit just like a regular comic unless you're a headliner that's actually can draw a crowd then you'll make some money but you know that's that's rare it's i root for all of them it's incredible absolutely yeah we know a couple of wrestlers so we uh we definitely root for them and we like that we always hear that wrestlers listen to the show wrestlers like the

show because wrestlers have that kind of sense of humor. Yeah, I get it. It's like wrestlers listen to this and like, you know, homicide detectives tend to like small town murder, too, because they have that dark sense of humor. And, you know, emergency room nurses tend to really like small town murder, things like that. So we'll get into this with a guy who, man, he's a guy who kind of fascinated me as a kid because he was so shitty but big. And he always felt like he was going to be good and never really captured it. Never popped. Just based on his physicality. As an eight-year-old, I was like, that guy's huge and scary looking. He should be amazing.

And it didn't quite work. You'll know him by a different name here. But John Eric Nord is his name. Nord. Three four-letter words. eric nord yeah it's so simple and that letters gets the whole thing all three of his names are one letter longer than my last name which i you don't know how much i envy that that's so easy that's so easy um so yeah john eric nord john nord later on he's nord the barbarian in awa and mid-south and he is

the berserker in wwf do you remember that guy i do not he was like a viking i guess you could say in the early 90s he's built for it and he'd yell huss huss huss all the time you remember that guy big long hair he wore a fucking helmet with horns on it and everything. That makes sense. Yeah, you know, your typical Viking. Your typical Viking. There's a story about how he became this Viking character, which is hilarious, too. How do we pick all three identical words for that? John Eric Nord. Yeah.

So John Nord, he's born October 18th, 1959. There seems to be multiple sources have multiple different places of birth for old john nord here really um i hear he's from bozeman montana is where he's born but either way we he grows up in the minneapolis area got it he's one of the guys that goes to high school in robinsdale with kurt hennig and hawk and you know you could rick rude name all the wrestlers of the 80s and early 90s. And he went to high school with all of them and played football with all of them. He's one of those guys. We'll talk about the the more the Minnesota lineage in here, too.

So, yeah, he talks. He he's a great interview nowadays, by the way, which is funny because his brain's fucked up. He boozes. He does drugs. We'll talk about he's he's a mess but he still has a great interview he's one of these guys that doesn't have they ask him a question he doesn't think hmm how do i phrase this to not piss anybody off he just goes that guy sucks what are you talking about he's terrible he's not so tough like shit like that he's just what you're

saying is he's honest very honest very honest he's like an older guy who just doesn't care anymore and he's just what do i care i don't give a fuck what the guy says he's not he's not selling the brand anymore no not at all uh but as kids here he talks about going to school with all these guys and you know you think your high school was tough whatever high school you went to oh, there's some tough kids there. You didn't have Rick Rude and Hawk and fucking Nord and Scott Norton and Smash from Demolition, Barry Darso. These are humongous, gigantic, tough, badass people, and they're all in the same high school. And I'm like, that is fucking mind-boggling to me. Mind-boggling to me mind-boggling um we had uh uh some arabic guys that were uh giant their whole family was huge and that was our football team and they were that was our football the one family one arabic family

that's what they are big family and a guy named gutierrez that's all we had yeah no he was uh i think was he the center he may have been no coach suede his son was center i don't remember it doesn't matter they were all the fucking line they were gigantic but we and we only had one running back that was any good and he was hurt in the fifth game and then didn't play for the rest of the season they went five and-0, then 0-5. It's remarkable to me that when we talk about sports that you've watched, you don't remember things that you've

definitely witnessed, that you've definitely seen, famous things that you've seen video clips of 30 times, but yet you can recall when your high school football team's running back, what game of the season he was hurt. What is happening jimmy can we can we talk to your therapist about that part see what's up with that never mind the

rest of it there's something very fascinating that happened in there but not with like super balls or anything like that none of that sticks at all nothing sticks it's all full of it's all full of very inconsequential shit that is fascinating i love it and it matters to nobody i can tell not even to you that's not if it mattered to you it'd be one thing but this doesn't matter that doesn't matter to you at all spit out the the varsity football teams you need to take it like a dandelion and relinquish yourself of that info you'll never need it again only oh my god and we'll replace it with good things work on that apple how do i fucking erase this shit yeah that'd be better i wish somebody goes what technology what's your what's your varsity

team's record uh your senior year i don't know i'd love to say that the only thing the literally the only thing i remember about my high school's football team is on homecoming week and i think my junior year a kid got stabbed almost to death like on the field like i would much rather and the principal came and took his john j high school jersey off and stuffed it over the wound until the paramedics got there and saved him he got stabbed deep yeah yeah it's a much better story than gutierrez was one of the guards and one of the it was some arabic kid got hurt game five the sages and gutierrez what who cares

what the fuck oh man so i guess it'd be more interesting if the kids we went to high school with were famous professional wrestlers yeah nobody I know did anything. If I went to high school with an entire Raw cast, that would be so much cooler. Yeah. Didn't do it. I went to high school with a comic that I know that's successful. Other than that, nobody else at all. I went to high school for one year with an NBA player. Outside of that, it doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. Nothing else matters. As metallica once told us oh they also told us sad but true which is also a fact and nothing else matters when the arab kid got hurt it was so promising because the football team was so bad. Still terrible. Still never won. And 5-0, everybody was jacked. And then he goes down and it's all over. It's all over, man.

We suck again. Here we are. These kids didn't suck, probably. No. I'm sure they're good at everything. Yeah. So I guess Hawk from Road Warriors there, I guess he went to the next high school over in that area. So he tells a story about, he goes, yeah, everybody used to fight.

Because he's asked in this interview, like, were these guys ever getting in fights, these big fucking crazy tough guys? You'd think so. And he goes, I mean, sometimes. He goes, but, you know, we're high school kids, so people get in scraps, and it's not a big deal. In high school, it's not a big deal when you get in a scrap. So he told a story about they were in a McDonald's parking lot, and Kurt Hennig, Mr. Perfect here, runs up, and Hawk is in his car with his window three quarters down and kurt heading just ran up and punched him in the face through the fucking window wow and like took off somewhere and then hawk chased him and i'm like that is amazing that's it that would people would have

paid money to see that or it could have been on tv but this was just in a mcdonald's parking lot that's like a lead up in on raw yeah they show that and then they go and now they're gonna wrestle yeah then the main event tonight these two and he and hawk is pissed let me tell you knock the big mac right out of his fucking hand special fries you guys all over all over um here is i don't know how true this is but it it really doesn't matter. Who cares? In a comment on one of his interviews, there's a comment here, and it's on a YouTube video, said, quote, I played junior high football with John Nord at Robbinsdale Junior High. Team was so bad, John and I had to play both offense and defense. He towered over us and had more muscle.

We'll talk about why. He's a gentle giant, and luckily he didn't have a bad temper. Good man. I went to a different high school and lost touch. Nord and his friend John invited me to lift weights after practice at Egan's house, whoever that is, after they saw I had heart. Nord made you feel good to be around him. God bless you and your family, berserker. So there you go.

Somebody liked him. Yeah. Yeah, he's a huge guy. He's about 6'5 1⁄2", he says. Jesus. They always bill him in wrestling as 6'7", 6'8", because that's wrestling. And they wear the boots that have, you know, he gives them an extra couple inches. He's a big guy.

He's gigantic. And he's a big, muscular, giant, fucking thick dude. I mean, he just looks like a guy where you go, Jesus Christ, look at that fucking guy. He's just a big guy. And part of that is, in high school, he started taking steroids. Is that right? In high school, yes. He said, him and a bunch of guys went down to Tijuana from Minnesota, first of all.

That's a long ride. That's a trip man that's not like going from phoenix that's another story that's an all-day trip from phoenix jesus that's what i did from phoenix that's a pain in the ass you're like i don't go all the way down there san diego it's convenient but nowhere else that's three four days right oh that's a lot from fucking minnesota it's gotta know if it was spring break or what but he said that that's when he first bought five milligrams of dianabol and which is testosterone and jose can say go talks about it a lot and uh he said he didn't know what it was he was just taking it and it makes you feel you know because it's a it's steroids so it makes you feel energetic and strong and great and

invincible and you know and he said quote this i thought this stuff was like a vitamin i didn't know what it was he just thought it was yeah you pop one of these you feel great they got them in pill form i don't know you inject one of these you feel great whatever way back then people got b12 shots all the time and shit it was common yeah common all the time it was very common so that to, I didn't even know what it was. It was just, you know, I thought it was like a vitamin. Berserk is a good name for this, man. That's out of control, man.

Oh, he's berserk. It's wild to just go, wow, this is a great vitamin. I gained 30 pounds in the last six months. All muscle. What a vitamin. Wow. I'll drive from Minnesota to Mexico for that shit. You got to try this stuff. Holy shit. Oh, my goodness. six months all muscle vitamin i'll drive from minnesota to mexico for that shit you gotta try

this stuff holy shit oh my goodness he drove from minnesota to mexico on the idea that this shit is he had no idea how great it was going to be for him either we never find out his stories are very succinct and to the point i don't i feel like maybe the years and the brain damage and the alcohol and the drugs have kind of burned off the perimeters of these stories as far as like picture a photo. That's a great way to put it. Yeah, it's just fringes. You drop it with a lighter. Yeah, yeah.

The middle's still there, but the edges are burned. It's been in a fire. That's the story. A little dusty out there. So you get the whole kernel you get the whole kernel but there's no peripheral shit like oh there's like me and me and this guy man it was spring break and we were like we should go to tijuana we were gonna go here but we decided none of that shit he goes right went to tijuana when i was 17 with some guys

and uh yeah i bought uh five milligrams of dianabol and it was great. I don't know. It was like a vitamin. Greatest vitamin I ever took. I don't know what it was. That's the whole story. Sir, I have questions. And you go, all right, then. I guess that's the story. And we just move on?

Yeah. Who the fuck got that story out of me that didn't go, no, no, no, no, no. There's breaks and backup. Well, that's another thing is wrestling interviewers. Yeah. You can't. You can't do that right well the guys that interview wrestlers now that do like the you know because now like it's not really shoot interviews anymore it's all shoot nobody stays in character while they're doing a fucking interview now it's not on television half the time even on the show that they're on they're not in character so you know they're never gonna fucking be in character so

it's can't really call it that but the guys that interview the old school guys now yeah sean oliver obviously we've talked about him from kayfabe commentaries he's like it's the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing one is like how good he is at it and how terrible everybody else is at it it's it's like that it's like on wrestlers long enough to know how to lead them to the water drink right exactly it's like other crime sports shows that podcasts like no not to be dicks but there's been a bunch of people that have tried and they're like we're a hundred times better than they are and we these are from two people who have no self-esteem you

listen to those shows and go holy shit this makes me makes me feel great. What a piece of shit this is. And I mean that wholeheartedly. Those shows sucked, all of them. So, but yeah, this guy going down, wow, that's wild. So he's right to sink though. So nobody asks really follow-up questions that much because it's not really conversational. They'll ask a question and then kind of let the, but also they're also not trying to, the guys that don't try to inject themselves into it i respect that they ask a question they let the guy answer

it how he wants to answer it and i guess they're thinking well i'm not a homicide detective i don't need to fucking grill him more that's how much he wants to say i'll ask him the next next question so sure at least they're not inserting themselves which i i would probably just lead them off track so far that now we don't want know why we got here why we're telling this story oh we would if we had a guy on that we we would fucking we'd be talking about everything else but what happened we're like no seriously so now you wrestled okay that's right yeah let's go back to that because we were talking about a guy named gutierrez that also played buff card? You know the running back? Were you the running back?

Did you get hurt in your junior year by any chance? How's the calf? Oh, man. So a guy that does a bunch of interviews with John Nord is this Hannibal guy. He does tons of wrestling interviews, and he's one of those guys. He's terrible at interviewing, but he doesn't insert himself into it. He asks a question. They answer it. He has another question. So I respect that. He does a good job. So anyway, here's Nord. He plays ice, obviously football in high school, like we heard. And he had a chance to go to BYU, apparently, according to him. him yeah he was going to go to BYU to play football Salt Lake yeah and he he blew it though because

he apparently asked the coach Lavelle Edwards who was like a legend at BYU he said what's with all this fucking Mormon stuff around here well when he came for the recruitment visit and they were like well that's kind of all of that's

everything really that's what it is that's let me tell you what the b and the y stand yeah what you've just described is utah so i don't know that's where the school is a planet i'm moving square here that everything inside it that's what it is. Yeah. It's the beehive state. That's for a reason. It's a little hive of activity in there. There you go.

So lots of door knocking going on. They must have knocked on all the doors in Utah by now, right? You'd think, right? Because when someone moves into Utah, like if a new resident comes in, are they knocking each other over fighting as the U-Haul pulls up to the curb? Can we help you with that couch, ma'am? Have you heard the good word? At this time, though, there's not one person that's going to ask when they move to Utah what's with all the Mormon shit. No, no, no.

There's no one. Everybody knows, right? Yeah. Today. Yeah, today. I still go there and I go, what's with this fucking mormon shit that's the weird part even though i know when i go there and land i still do that give you credit utah that city that salt lake is clean as shit but holy fuck it's yeah it's it's clean all right yeah it's pretty you've cleansed it you've cleansed it of just about everything yeah just about everything had the worst roast

beef sandwich of my life in salt lake city oh it's clean it's clean though james but there was that was the thing i think the roast beef was scrubbed clean unfortunately didn't smell like beef anymore like my mother's chicken bleached i think that was small town murder we talked about that my mother my mother used to take fucking put big dishwashing gloves on and fucking wash and bleach chicken before she cooked it. Can't be good. It's like, what are you doing? Jesus. Now it makes all the sense.

Salmonella. As a child, that would fucking freak me out. But as an adult, that's the fucking scariest meat that exists thought she was poisoning us i don't know what was happening so nord ends up going to play offensive tackle at montana state oh that's where he he is now he also once he's done with college he ends up playing in the usfl which i had no idea he was in the usfl he played for the new jersey generals as a matter of fact which was my fucking team as a kid. Fucking loved them, and he played for them.

He talked about he was offensive tackle, and he said, like, I'm not even going to. I was the second string as it gets. He said I didn't play shit. He was like a special teamer pretty much. He didn't do anything, and you wouldn't know, especially as a five-year-old, I wouldn't have known backup offensive tackles very well probably so yeah as an adult i don't

yeah it's jesus but you know that running back i'll tell you that much so um he said that he played with herschel walker who was the big star who came to the u he was the biggest star to come to the usfl he was like to be well because he came out early to play for the USFL but eventually he would have been you know obviously the number one overall pick no problem and instead he went and played here so it was a big deal. Nord says about Herschel

quote he had a heart of gold. He'd look at me and say beer man you taking care of yourself? He called him beer man because he drank beer. Okay. And he said the answer was usually no. man you taking care of yourself like he called him beer man because he drank beer okay and uh he said the answer was usually no also he said no i was never taking care of myself um herschel called him beer man beer man yeah because i guess he drank a lot of beer because he's from minnesota yeah yeah he's well herschel i can't imagine Herschel's going to give out the most fucking salient nicknames.

Well thought out. Yeah. I mean, Jesus Christ, man. So he says he really upped his steroid intake when he was with the generals, too, because he was in New York. They were available. He could get them. He said, quote, I could get them from Mark Gastineau and Joe Klecko of the Jets. Oh, thanks.

Thanks a lot. Our old friend Mark Gastineau. Remember him? He of the jets oh thanks thanks a lot our old friend mark gastineau remember him he's got an episode everybody if you want to go back there so yeah that's all oh jesus it's a problem um so he said when i was playing for this is great the way he says this there's never like he doesn't i like nord because he doesn't put any faux like any faux uh emotion on anything like he's not like when someone asked him about steroids he hasn't gone yeah yeah you know i did it and i shouldn't have taken it and blah blah he says and i'm gonna act just like he acted he goes when i was playing

football i was taken and i think he said anavar i don't fucking know i was taking anavar that stuff was great that's exactly how he said it. That stuff was great. Like he was like, man, fucking rock and roll. He horns up and yeah, woo. Rock and roll. All right. Woo. That's the best rock and roll thing I've ever said.

That is amazing. That stuff was great. All right. All right. He's just jamming muscles into himself. Yeah. So I'm going to go ahead and say Grace at that point. Right there.

He's getting, because his wrestling career really doesn't amount to a pile of shit. I mean, compared to a lot of guys, don't get me wrong. He was in every major organization, but he was six foot fucking five and weighed 300 pounds. So he's going to be hired. But in the ring, he is goddamn terrible. I mean, oh, my God, man. Just fucking dog shit. He ends up being kind of a Bruiser Brody knockoff.

But Bruiser Brody had an edge to him that this guy doesn't have. He just doesn't have the charisma of a bruiser brody you know brody would have been such a fucking star man well yeah he was a star he was a worldwide star fuck dude it would have been crazy he's uh but brody had a had an air about him where he'd he came out and everybody every your head turns you look at him and he's just one of these guys that looks fucking insane. People don't know if he's like, is this guy really nuts or what? Like, he's one of those guys.

Whereas this guy seemed like just kind of a guy who's being a wrestler, which is fine. I mean, no one expects you to be Bruiser Brody. You don't have to be. Like, there's not a lot of Bruiser Brodies running around. Brody could have showed up to signings on motorcycles for the rest of his

life and been he would have been a fucking star right now he would have been crushing it in that on the convention circuit and all that he would be a huge star on that circuit so likable not even likable fucking lovable plus he was a good uh he was a booker and everything else too so i mean he'd probably still be like a Jake the Snake or something. He'd probably be still, I don't know how old he would be now. Maybe, might be too old for it. Might be 70s. Yeah, he would have been at least working for a long time behind the scenes in places if he wanted to until he quit.

Depending on how hard he kicked his own ass. Well, Brody didn't fucking mess himself up like that. No? No, no, no. Brody wasn't a drug guy or any of that shit. So he would have longevity all through it, huh? Brody would get done and he'd go back to his hotel room, call his wife and eat tuna fish. Like out of the can. That was the kind of guy he was.

He'd party with the boys too and have some beers and stuff, but he wasn't like one of these fucking, you know. Lunatics. He was cheap. He'd want to save all his money and send it home. I like that. He was more of a family man yeah that's how i would be yeah that's how i am what do we do after the show i go i'm gonna go back there and get some food and i'm gonna call sarah and that's my fucking night yeah you know i'm not

hanging out i'm gonna call my wife and eat some food here what the hell yeah smoke some weed and go to sleep and then i go go back to sleep yeah same thing yeah yeah nothing much if you don't know when crystal peps Pepsi was discontinued, what was in Al Capone's vault, or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin, then you haven't spent enough time on Wikipedia. But that's okay. I am here for you.

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. So, yeah, Grace here, we'll call this. His family, by the way, he's married, and I think he's still married, which is wild. Is that right? When you hear about what he does in the last 20 years, you go, how the fuck between wrestling and this? I don't know and he said his wife's like from what i can gather his wife seems like a pretty normal person because he says like during the 80s when he's kind of going in and out of different territories and his money's fluctuating

a lot he said i could do that because it was easier on me because my wife had a regular job and a stable job so he had like health insurance and fuck yeah you know a home and shit he wasn't like trying to manage a one-bedroom apartment while he's on the road and it's it's it's not surprising that he kept that life together if he's not going too far off the rails with drugs and such because there is a safety net in that that you do not want to fuck up well no he ignored i mean he's he stretches that net to its absolute breaking point to its tightest where do you hear some of his quotes they're like oh boy he's so casual about stuff it's hilarious so uh he also has a son named joe who's a wrestler now

he's think he's wrestling he's wrestling somewhere as a wrestler, too. He was a college wrestler, and all that we'll talk about there. Yeah, he wrestled for the University of Minnesota, actually. So he breaks into wrestling kind of as he's washing out of football. I think it was 83 and part of 84 he played for the Generals. So he gets into wrestling. Another thing, too, for the wrestling so he gets into wrestling another thing too for the wrestling nerds out there that you know and i count myself amongst you so i'm not when i say

that i'm not being yeah shitty because i know i can say well you're wrestling nerds but then i'll rattle off shit that i shouldn't know so trust me i'll rattle off about a high school running backs wrestling style though it's different so it says in a lot of john nord's um pretty much every profile of him that he was trained by eddie sharky but he's an eddie sharky trained a ton of guys but he specifically says he wasn't trained by eddie sharky so i'm gonna go with what he says over what you know is just in a profile somewhere so out of his mouth he said he went went to Brad Rangan's wrestling camp. And Brad Rangan, we've talked about him a little bit before.

He was an Olympic wrestler, supposed to be on the 80 team when we boycotted. So, yeah, he didn't get to do that. But he's an Olympic guy, and he was an Olympic trainer, trainer for the Olympians coming up. And he wrestled for Vern Gagne for a long time, and he was a jobber for WWE. But wrestling for Gagne, they really tried to make him something because Vern Gagne loves that amateur stuff. But he's a short guy who has kind of shortish arms and wrestles very amateur style and has no personality whatsoever. And it's just no facial expressions and boring.

He's not going to be a star kind of guy, but technically knows really what he's doing and a good trainer. And I think he started training Vern's guys when Vern kind of got a little bit older because Vern was training him through the 70s, but I think Vern kind of eased off of that and Rangens became his trainer in the early 80s. So I guess Kurt Hennig, whose dad is Larry is larry the axe henning who was a star in w or in awa for 20 years yeah he hooked him up with brad rangans in the wrestling camp and you look at john norton you go this guy looks like a fucking wrestler i mean jesus christ he's enormous

and uh also it turns out that his father-in-law his his wife's father, obviously, was Vern Gagne's best friend in high school in 1943. That'll help tremendously. That's going to help a lot. And Vern really liked the guy and thought highly of him. And, you know, so that is a big deal with that. Take care of my son-in-law type of thing. And he'll later say, this is pretty funny because Vern is known for he's a tough boss.

He's known as a tough boss. He's got pain in the ass. He fires people all the time. He said Nord said quote Vern would never fire me. I know showed some shows that other guys would have definitely gotten fired for but he wouldn't fire me. Show yeah all event several of them which was common

in the late days of the AWA but he also couldn't fire him a because he knew his father-in-law but be by the late days of the AWA but right he also couldn't fire him a because he knew his father-in-law but b by the late days of the awa he was the biggest guy he had he needed bodies and he needed a giant body made him look legitimate so he couldn't really fire him um so tons of wrestlers though from minnesota as we've talked about but we'll go through a few of them here yeah verne gagne number one obviously he's the guy who started it all bob backland's a minnesota guy princeton minnesota who was champ for wwe champ for five straight years there uh

kurt hennig obviously is fuck i think he's my favorite of all time probably yeah worker of all yeah i love kurt i love the way he does his thing i love uh he's a great heel he's a real prick i like him i like a heel i like a good heel a good a good heel. A good bad guy. I like a good bad guy. Yeah. I like a guy who knows how to draw the booze. And good at his role. That's fun. That matters.

If you're selling how much of a piece of shit you are and you're really not like that, that's pretty impressive. Yeah. And the heels are usually the best guys, too, everybody says. The guys who are the heels back in the day, those are usually the cool guys. But it's a bummer, too too i want to be cheered when people fall in love with it with that guy yes then they they have no choice to make that guy a good guy to turn undertaker or roddy piper roddy piper that was the big one in the 80s that they had to turn because he was just so fucking he's just overwhelming yeah fun to watch. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Rick Rude also obviously from there.

Jesse Ventura from Minneapolis. Hawk. Nikita Koloff is another guy that went to school with them as well. So that's one there, Nikita Koloff. No, he was big in the 80s, and then he had a reality show in like 2010 where it was like him and his like four daughters or something and now he's now he's like a pastor or some shit there's there's a lot of like religion mixed in with it like in even in like the uh in the title there's like a cross in it and shit yeah yeah i remember trying

to watch like 10 minutes of it it was just like you know let's talk to the girls about jesus more i was like okay i'm getting that watching this shit. So, uh, Ole Anderson's from up there as well. Uh, Greg Gagne, obviously Vern's son,

buddy Rose, uh, jumping Jim Brunzel from the killer bees and, uh, Scott Norton. Remember Scott Norton from like nitro, big, big guy there.

Um, Sean Waltman, X-Pac fucking. Yeah. Love him. Him. Um, Jerry Lynn, Brad brad rangans wild bill erwin barry darso smash uh nails who we'll talk about later tom zank mike enos fucking wayne bloom those guys doug summers there's a fucking buck rock and roll buck zumhoff who's i want to go back and

listen to that episode real piece of shit real piece of shit so just tons of guys you go through the list and it's fucking even brady boone who i thought was from this this northwest but i guess not gene anderson paul ellering the manager of the road warriors holy shit good god i'm going through rick flair was grew up up there um holy shit there's so many guys from up there it's ridiculous from no other area in the world has this many wrestlers i get that vergana was calling them but still like minnesota so many good ones a hardy folk it's such a great place it is they're they're fucking one of my honestly minnesota when you go there we going to be there in August, and I'm super excited for that.

The hottest time of the year, and we get to be in Minnesota. Minnesota and Chicago back-to-back, and Chicago in August is great, too. Did we bitch hard enough on this show that the Joes took care of us? Finally, yeah, because usually it's like, well, let's put you in New Orleans in July, and then we think November 29th for Chicago. That sounds good. minneapolis uh january 3rd don't worry we'll make it real easy to get to new orleans by putting you in uh orlando and tampa the next night it'll be great so that's what happens there uh you have lots of lots of

hearty guys from up there uh he talks about the influence of bruiser brody on his career really as well because if you look at him when he's nord the barbarian he just looks like bruiser brody yeah which that's the shit though bill watts made him look like that because bruiser brody would come and go and he was like i'll make my own bruiser brody god damn it because that's how bill watts is fuck that guy he's gonna goddamn come in here and hold me up for more money and leave in the middle of a program I'll fucking I'll go to Japan in the middle of this trip what the fuck

what's up with that so he said this is an interview with Bill Apter who's kind of king of the old wrestling magazines he says quote Bruiser Brody became a really good friend of mine about a month after I broke into Japan he trained me he broke me in i was young and he was my mentor this sounds like not wrestling no it's just like

this sounds like when i got into the gay porn industry i was scared me out but he took good care of me i gotta tell you he He broke me in. He trained me. He made my butthole both an entrance and an exit. And for that, I appreciate it. Really turned me out. Really inside out. Inside out. He said, I think he did it because I treated him with respect.

Brody didn't like guys that were cocky. He liked ex-athletes, ex-football players, because Brody's an ex-college football player. And that's what he is. And that's what Vern Gagne liked, too. He liked athletes. He liked college high school wrestlers. He liked football players. He liked guys like that, because Vern played football and wrestled.

So he liked guys who were real athletes. That was his thing. He didn't so much like the artist type that's why he never really had any respect for hulk hogan because he was a baseball player and a musician so he's like yeah the fuck is that did the minnesota group with verne go go to tennessee a lot too was that a popular place for them not in their circuit but they were hooked up with tennessee actually they were hooked up with the tennessee group down there with jerry lawler jerry jared's group the memphis group they were hooked up with them a lot and in the late 80s as they were dying they kind of almost almost formed one

unit and they made jerry lawler their heavyweight champion and all that kind of shit so i wondered that because that draft pick for the uh grizzlies no he didn't play he ended up lorenzen right yeah his his middle name is burn his middle name is verne ganya one word one word how the fuck does that even happen lorenzen verne ganya right is his fucking name and that's why because they were always there and that had to be somebody's favorite wrestler but it had to be like his his dad's or somebody like that is obviously because probably not yeah i would say he was definitely well yeah you don't give yourself a middle name either your parents that's the other point yeah you don't you don't come out

and be like he seems to have taken to that old bald man let's let's give him that as a middle name it has to be from your parents as a crying ass slap body slap bottom infant really loves really into verne ganya and his shit now it makes sense now it all makes sense um so he said that he was a booker meaning bruiser brody he was a booker for the von eric's back in 87 and he got me in there because he came in for a little while to work in Texas. He was, Nord got the last remnants of the territorial thing. Like the territories were dying, like as he left them, they would fall behind him like dominoes. You know what I mean?

Like he left world class, world class kind of folded after that. They were around for a couple more years, but it wasn't even the same. And, you know, it wasn't the same at all. So he'd go to these places as they were dying, as all the territories were dying. He'll go to Portland as it's dying. He'll listen to the death rattle of the AWA as that happens later on. I mean, he's buying low. He's treating it like penny stocks.

Yeah, that's what you got to do. Trying hard. Buy low, you never know. If it doesn't work out, you throw it out. You got to get in the bottom floor. Grab floor shit. And when it goes through the roof we're all gonna get paid yeah if you're if it's already all fucked out what are you gonna do yeah then you're since it was shit they own so he said that uh he worked against bruiser brody probably six or seven times down there

he said that early in his career he uh he worked uh this is when he's in Mid-South, and we'll talk about that with Bill Watts there. He worked in a tag team match at the Superdome, and Muhammad Ali was in the match. This was after the first WrestleMania. And he said, quote, he told me, I know how it works. He told me, I know how it works. He spoke to him. Yeah, well, they were in the match together.

He had to. But Ali had done WrestleMania already, so he told him like hey listen i'm smartened up here like i get that this isn't real and he said fucking uh nord said he hit me and i staggered around and fell i should have had my picture taken him but all i cared about was getting to bourbon street it was in new orleans i would not give a fuck about booze. Nope. That's amazing. He's like, I got to get to Bourbon Street.

Fuck taking a picture with Muhammad Ali. So he starts. Yeah, he bangs around in AWA a little bit when he starts here in 85-ish. But he gets sent down to Mid-South. What Vern Gagne would do is if he thought you were worth half a shit he would send you somewhere to get better that way when you came back you'd be good enough for him to use you in an elevated position he didn't want to because if you sucked real bad the whole time he couldn't make you be a star so he would send you away to get better go suck down there and then come back if you verne gets paid for that too huh oh he'll take a cut yeah verne will take a cut of that um verne would try to

take cuts of a lot of people's money apparently jim brunzel paid jim prayed verne gagne a fucking 10 of his money for a decade after he left yeah and nobody else did except for him pretty much so um he said that verne he sent him down there but he said he told Bill Watts to take care of him. He said, hey, take care of him. Like, don't just job him out. Don't just have him be beat and be a schlub. Like, teach him stuff because I'm going to actually use him as something. I need this one back.

Yeah, I need this. Yeah, don't break my toy, please. So he said that his first day in Mid-South, he wore Jimmy Garvin's boots out there. So he didn't even have his own wrestling boots. He said they were too small for him, but he wore them anyway. Oh, God. Jimmy Garvin is nowhere near the size of John Nord, by the way, if you don't know who that is.

Jimmy Garvin is maybe six feet tall, maybe. He's a smaller guy. Nothing worse than wearing two smaller shoes. Imagine to wrestle, too. Oh, God. I guess that would make you mean. You'd be like, ah, all the time because your feet are killing you. I'd be pissed off because my toenails are in my ankles.

My toes! She'd be so angry. Bill Watts gave him the barbarian gimmick. Told him, yeah, you're going to be the barbarian. Told him to fucking, you know, get your head shaved up. Had him kind of look like Hawk. Had him shave his head like Hawk. And he said Jake the Snake took him to get his head shaved,

Jake the Snake Roberts. And he said he was hanging out with Jake the Snake Roberts a lot when he first got there. He said, well, that was a party. Yeah, I'm sure. We've done a Jake episode. We know all about that. Yeah, it's not good.

Not good at all here. So he tells him, you know he gets the fur and all that kind of shit because john when he's nor the barbarian he'll wear like much like bruiser brody like that fur vest yep that vest of fur and uh the fur around the boots you know what i mean the fur that goes all yeah the ankle the fur ankle fur you know like a like a like a leg warmer like a nice leg warmer around your boot. Supposed to look like you've, I don't know, killed an animal with your bare hands and, you know, made a pelt fucking vest out of it. Fashioned them into something to protect your toes. Because you're a barbarian.

Right. You know, that's how that goes. Well, the boots don't go, the fur doesn't go on the foot part. No. Only on the calf part which is the weird thing yeah it's not a fur boot it's just like a leg warmer which is hilarious let's get physical think of that next time you look at a footage of it it's very silly so here is uh he gets in a big brawl, apparently with Butch Reed.

At a bar? No, no, no, no. No. God, no. This is around wrestling. Now, Butch Reed, if you don't know, Butch Reed's a big black guy. He was in the WWF under the natural Butch Reed where he had blonde hair. The natural blonde hair.

Get it? Ha ha. And he was also in WCW later. He was a member of Doom with Ron Simmons and all that. He's a very respected, famous guy here. So Nord gets in a fight with him, a physical fight with him. And this is from Jim Ross' telling here of the fight, because Jim Ross worked backstage at Mid-South while this was going on. That's terrific.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He says, John Nord, Nord the Barbarian, and other names, but John Nord, big rugged guy, looked good. He and Butch Reed got into a fight backstage and beat the shit

out of each other. These are two very large men, man. Large tough guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. They're dropping, throwing blows at each other. They're not wrestling.

You know, they're not tussling. We're going to punch each other. Yeah. He said, so when they got to tulsa their faces were bruised and they had black eyes and busted lips and they looked like they'd been in a fight so cowboy bill watts in cowboys own way made them fight again to get it out of their system how do you do that in your own way he said you boys are gonna fight i ain't gonna have that bullshit in my goddamn locker room and made him fight again um he said uh the last the

last thing they wanted to do jim ross because they didn't want to fight anymore no they got it out of their system uh their hands were hurting their faces were hurting they'd been in a legit fight and cowboy wanted him to fight again. He said, or you could shake hands and commit this as an issue, and commit this as an issue, a dead issue, will never happen again, and we're done with it. So either way, finish your fight,

or admit you both screwed up because you could have, I could have had both you guys on a TV show tonight, so what if you couldn't have wrestled because you beat the shit out of each other for no money with no audience? He said, you dumb fucks.

If you wanted to fight, I could have put you on fucking TV tonight fighting and made some money off of it, and it would have been the same thing. You assholes fought backstage, so now you look too shitty to take you out in the fucking ring and fight, so now I'm not going to make any money off of that or this.

You guys are dipshits, essentially. I can't put makeup on split lips. That doesn't fix anything. No, and you don't want to send Nord the Barbarian out with fucking blush on either. A little more rouge over here. Beat up and now has foundation on. No shit, man. He says, Jim Ross goes on to to say they were just so sore we didn't we don't think about how somebody's hands get messed up fighting in that regard

he didn't have any tape on any gloves so they're just sore as shit and i just thought cowboy made an interesting call there but the good news is he laid down the law they understood what the law was and they never had any more issues so they got got it out of their system. But that was Bill and his mindset. But this shows you also the toughness of Butch. Butch was ready to fight Nord again if necessary. But John Nord's a big guy. He said, you remember how big he was? He's talking to somebody. He said he was 300 pounds, six, five or so. He's a big monster. So they were beating the hell out of they were hammering each other flesh on flesh and flesh don't win on flesh don't win on this one so and uh i saw eric watts talking about it too is bill watts's son and he he was very overdramatic about it he's he's very much a wrestler he's very much like he tells a story like you know know, you're like, Jesus Christ, I don't think most of this is true as he's talking.

Yeah, he tells the story. He's like, man, it sounded like just this flesh on flesh, like you were dropping meat from a 10-story building. Man, just splat. That's what it sounded like when they were fighting. Yeah. I probably doesn't serve this story, friend. Yeah, calm the fuck down. I probably doesn't serve this story, friend.

Yeah, calm the fuck down. He says, though, about the whole thing, Nord will later say, and this is a quote from one of his succinct shoot interviews, quote, that whole deal was my fault. Oh. Yeah. He explains how part of it was he was riding with Dr. Death Steve Williams, and he was doing that, and Steve was smoking a joint. And he goes, I don't know. I was screwed up. He goes, he said, I'm not a pot guy.

I'm more of like a booze steroids crack guy. That's a fascinating trajectory there. I'm more alcohol. or alcohol more alcohol steroids crack is what he said i'm not a pot guy wow i'm happy to be a pot guy right now don't admit that man that's what i mean he just says everything i'm more like booze you know you know i'm more alcohol steroids crack i get down to crack crack, but Jesus, Pod, I can't do that. That's a little ridiculous. I don't want to do that.

So then he'll go, yeah, that whole deal, that was my fault. Yeah, he said he must have got like a contact high, and then he was in the ring with Butch Reed, and they were going, and Butch was kind of pushing on him a weird way, and he was like, the fuck you doing, man? Why are you doing this? And then later on, they ended up fighting in the locker room. it's like he was that man he didn't even smoke it he said or maybe he did smoke it his story was so succinct i couldn't tell if he smoked it or not he said i'm not really a pot guy i don't know you know i'm more you know booze alcohol crack

or booze steroids crack and he goes but then he just digressed into i don't know so i was a little messed up and i'm in the ring so i don't know if he was like a hot box situation a contact high or he was you get weed anywhere near me within probably 25 foot radius i'm all bets are off man i'll fight a giant guy i will i'll fight a giant guy which is also predictable a strange reaction to it yeah i've never if you're high and something goes on in the ring you go oh my bad dude did i fuck up because you know you're high so you might have fucked up so you would think like that could have been my fault yeah i'm sure that was my fault i have marijuana inside me i have partaken of uh some things that you know i didn't even partake it was close by it's a it's probably my fault i mean it was in the car but i smelt it can't really count that really just in the car

who even knows so he uh jesus fuck man he ends up uh uh continuing in AWA also. He goes back and forth, mid-south AWA. And one of the things is, one of the big events that he takes part in in AWA is, and by the way, I'll talk about this later, but he has a wrestling figure with AWA. Is that right? His figure, the little, the Remco ones of AWA is the only awa i've collected them over the years the only one i don't have is north they're fucking expensive man they didn't make a lot of them like hundreds that i'm not gonna really yeah it's like seven hundred dollars like stop that for a little guy like a little he-man figure yeah seven hundred dollars so i haven't bought it yet i'm not buying that shit so does it does it complete your set yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna get it's the only one you need

eventually i'm gonna get it seven that's the worst but i'm not gonna offer seven hundred dollars yeah why's it gotta be that i don't know i'm gonna find like one that's not perfect or something you're gonna get one of some kid drug down the stairs yeah like like you can't maybe one of his eyes is rubbed off you know like somebody put a fish hook through and fished with it no not that bad it has to be because also the old figures in a leg well no because the people like they'll they'll fuck with the old figures and like take a body off and put it on another if the legs are better you can't do that so it's got to be a real one too so the good one would be picky yeah seven hundred dollars

more sometimes especially if he comes with all his gear a little fur fucking outfit forget about it we're talking thousands yeah more than a thousand so april 20th 1986 he participates in the biggest awa event at to this time wrestle rock which we've talked about a lot uh it is him and bruiser brody versus jimmy the superfly snooker and greg ganya in a steel cage match this is a match now we've done this before we've played this before but it's been years since we've played it's been at least three years since we've played this i think it was like the scott hall episode so we have new listeners that have never heard it we'll break it down a little bit too let's talk about what they're doing uh let's i'm going to introduce everybody right now if you reintroduce you if you've heard it a couple times from us or introduce you if you don't know what

the wrestle rock rumble is this is a song that awa made to promote this event yeah wrestle rock rumble which was a show at the minneapolis uh the metrodome and had a concert afterwards and shit so i'm gonna play this for you nord is not in this rapping but he isn't no no he's not rapping he is part of the match greg ganya is quote in in a rage about. And we'll see that. Okay, let's go here. Okay. I'm guessing it rhymes with cage. Yep. Oh, God.

Ken Resnick here. Gotta have the announcer. This poor bastard has to sell it. Oh, yeah, hard. Yeah. Sensational. Come on. Look at him try to dance.

Get on. Get on. Get on. Alexa Anastasia, some playboy. Marty Jannetty, our alumni. There he is. Dirtbag. He's got like a...

No sleeves. I don't understand... Oh, that's nice. There's Bruiser Brody. There he is. I had to stop for a second because i it's so we've talked about it before what the fuck were they doing they're supposed to be like hanging out with girls marty genetti and sean michaels but it's they're at like a like a 12 year old girl's birthday party there's like balloons they're like a bowling alley where a 12

year old would be I don't understand. Our wrestlers are pedophiles. Wherever you're at, just start filming. We need the footage now. Alright, I got it. So here's Bruiser Brody. This is going to be Greg Gagne. I'm the Sheik. I got my army and lots of money. Oh yeah.

I make them rumble. I did the Russell Rock rumble. This is good, isn't it? Yeah. I don't know. I'm Jerry Blackwell. I want to get my hands on that pencil neck. I want to eat a fumble.

I'm going to make my splash. I love that they have him splashing on a two-by-four. He literally has four lines, and he lost timing in the second one he's a big fat like southern guy and he's like i'm jerry blackwell and i'm shit i lost it already i'm gonna fall on a guy and hurt him pencil that geek made him stumble pencil that geek uh the the the the thing they show though in the video of him they just have a two by four just laid out with two like hobby horses and anybody could jump on that and it would break and put this guy he's they're like look at him break that two by four all right let's keep it

going two by four a sheet of fucking plywood what is it two by four it's a big two by four yeah yeah at least a sheet of plywood where you need a little physics you need a little more this is just get it in the middle it'll snap especially if you're 400 pounds right dude they got hot chicks whoa greg ghani is in a rage. Whoa. Greg Gagne is in a rage, everybody. He's certainly pissed. His big giant hat.

Big stovepipe on him looking like Abe Lincoln. All right, here we go. I'm in a rage. I'm playing dropkick. We'll make him see trouble. I'm grinding my bat. The ref will rock trombone. Woo!

Woo! Here they are. Big shot. Oh, God. A cocks are framed. Here they are. A cocks are framed. Chick's drying them off and shit. There we go. Walk out of a pool. Oh, push him in.

Yeah, because a tiny girl can move that big man, I'm sure of it. Kurt takes a great bump, man. Yeah. Meeting Shawn Michaels out there. He's with like an eight-year-old girl. Yeah, that's not good. I've got a passion. I'll get the title back from that humanoid person. Oh, my God.

I'll take the boat back and do the Wrestle Rock rumble. At least he kept time as a 50-year-old man. Not bad. At least he kept time as a 50-year-old man. Not bad. What is happening? More Playboy people. Ah, Sergeant Swatter.

Kamala. We're just showing people who are there. No, it's just people. Yeah. Here he is. What? They show him here. They have a coconut set up on a stand, and they show Larry whacking it with some nunchucks and exploding it like he's going to blow up. A t-ball stand.

Yeah. I'm going to bring nunchucks in and just explode people. Ever wanted to hear middle-aged white people from Minnesota try to rap? You're getting it all right here. Remember the year before when the Chicago Bears did this? They had young guys, and they still couldn't do it. These are like older. It doesn't make any sense. Okay.

We got a woo and ow. And an uh. That's Scott LeDoux. He's an ex-boxer we've talked about. Oh, Scott. Oh, Scott. Scott's got brain damage. Yeah, that's not good.

Scott used to, like, spar with some big-time people. He's gotten hit a lot in that. Very evident. not good scott used to like a spar with some big time people he's got it's clear very evident and now as you can see let's have verne ganya a 60 year old man from minnesota who came grew up on a farm in minnesota let's have him rap everybody grandpa midwest hit him here he comes just one last word from the former champ but give a lot of thought to one more turn the double score I'm starting to get the urge to do the Wrestle Rock Rumble I'm starting to get the urge to do the Wrestle Rock Rumble Hey this rap stuff isn't so hard I don't know what these kids are making such a big deal out of here

I could do this You lost the beat three lines ago. All the way in there. And they're going to just play it out. Yeah. Oh, boy. God, Ken Resnick. Look at him try to dance.

Do it. Do it with a slot machine. Have some chicken, a slot machine. Hey, we won. Rumble. It is crazy that they think that they nailed it. They thought that. That's amazing.

That was going to get them WrestleMania level like, oh, man, it worked for the Super Bowl shuffle. It's the same marketing company that did the Super Bowl shuffle. So they just made Wrestle Rock Rumble Super Bowl shuffle. They were all on time. They all hit the mark. Yes. Not one of you hit it. That's the thing.

You all missed. They made the Bears guys do multiple takes probably, whereas this one, Vern was like, I'm getting the urge to do the Wrestle Rock Rumble. I have somewhere to go. They're like, wait, Vern, we need to do it. He's like, nope, I'm busy. i have to go now good day everyone i have an urge to pee as well because my prostate's swollen i gotta go one more turn from one more word from the final champ verne my prostate's swollen i can't stop peeing i push so hard it burns but there's no pee

but i can't start peeing. And then he skips all rhyming and he just goes, it hurts. I start dribbling. I get nothing. I push. Prostate swollen. So I... The wait is over.

So far you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. The queen of the courtroom is back. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything.

I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor.

You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I I have crystal ball in my head it's an all-new season it's streaming you can say anything Judy Justice only on freebie

there is the Wrestle Rock Rumble just so you have to hear it again I love the Wrestle Rock Rumble it's a travesty it It's amazing. It's amazing that that existed. The saddest thing is Ken Resnick coming in at the beginning and the end because he's doing this like Yeah, trying so hard. It's like a joke. Like if it was some sort of joke where they're like

hey, dorky white dad, dance in the 80s. And he's like, okay. And he's like girl, this is good, right? I'm dancing. I'm good. That's what he's doing he's like yeah wrestle rock rumble the problem I think is that they're trying so hard and missing so

wildly I think Larry Zabisko's the best at it he's the most in time and he's got like some he's terrible at it but out of all of these people he's the best at it. It's amazing how hard they miss. It's better than, I'm Greg Gagnon.

I'm in a rage. That's how he starts it out. I'm in a rage. I want Brody. I want her in a cage. Oh, God. So he's involved in that. Snook and Gagnon win, and then they get to fucking do something. Really? I guess that's because in that. Snook and Ganya win, and then they get to fucking do something

with Sheik Adnan. I guess that's because... Yeah, they're going to win that match, which is ridiculous, because Greg Ganya... You're not beating Brody? No, he's not beating... I'll beat him up easy.

So, you know, if it was any form of normalcy and not... Any form of actual fight. Yeah, yeah. So he also, he's going to go on, and during this time, this is when the AWA, in 87, it really goes right down the shitter. Oh, no. This is in WWF. The Rockers go to the WWF.

Kurt Hennig goes there. Anybody that comes in that's good, Sherry leaves. Anybody that comes in that's good, they go on, they get to AWA. They're on ESPN for a little while. WWF takes them, or Mid-Atlantic takes get to awa they're on espn for a little while wwf takes them or mid-atlantic takes them even so they're getting taken so uh nord sticks around a little bit because he knows vern and you know it's his hometown and all that so he teams up with scott norton his high school buddy scott norton there for a little while as the lumberjacks

the lumberjacks uh he also goes briefly for uh don owen up in portland there and teams up with uh the grappler lundetten for their tag team for a little bit um he says he almost went to the wwf in june of 88 oh according to him um and he's talking about bruiser brody and he says quote the last time i worked with him was in Little Falls, Minnesota, which was in June of 88. Frank died on July 3rd. So that was July 3rd, 88. And he said, we were talking to Vince McMahon then. Actually, Frank was talking to them.

We were going to go into the WWF as a tag team, which essentially is kind of what the WWF was trying to make anyway. which essentially is kind of what the WWF was trying to make anyway. And in 87 they had, or in 88, that's when they brought in Powers of Pain, Warlord and Barbarian, and I think that's kind of a knockoff of these two. He said, I was really excited about it, but then Frank got killed, so that yanked the rug out on that. And he said, to people who say I'm a clone of Bruiser brody i say it's a compliment uh let me tell you something he's first i'm second believe me frank was the man so yeah we all know but at least he doesn't say like i wasn't trying and he's like hey look man

if you even if bruiser brody pops into your head when you see me then i'll take it as a compliment that's good so um in the awa as it's fading quickly awa is terrible with merchandise by the way the wrestling figures that they have the remco figures are like these figures were like they were he-men yeah like kind of things and they had like two different bodies like the wwf ones were the big rubber ones so they could make the mold exactly how they wanted whereas these were like you either had a muscular body that was totally ripped with the six pack and all that stuff. Or there was like one where it was just kind of the flat chest,

the flatter, like a little stomach. You know what I mean? Like, Oh look, he's, he's fat now. That means he's big.

So they had a Nord figure. Uh, he was in the last bit of figures too. He was like the last, the last series that came out was like Nord and a couple guys like that, Carlos Colon, a couple people. So anyway, there's also a video that comes out in 1988, which is weird. It's Nord on the cover. I'll show you the video if you want to roll your chair over here.

You can see it. Oh. Yeah. It's called A Day in the life of nord the barbarian a whole video that's just him yeah just a day in the life uh free poster inside and it's it says on it you thought the commercials were crazy apparently there was commercials for this i was watching this at the time i didn't see him um he said also don't buy this tape then i care that's a quote on the front i don't know what that means but nowadays this tape is very rare because nobody fucking bought it there's not a lot of these floating around i want to watch this guy who's a shitty

worker work many matches um his day in his life one i found on amazon is 89.95 for this yeah a little pricey a little pricey um also i found he was a part of the um the remco awa remco mini mashers set which is little tiny again roll your chair over that's what these guys are oh little tiny those were my favorite ones. Not necessarily of wrestlers, but I loved that size men because I was tiny. I love that size men. That's the size man I like. I love that size men. There was a little one. I think I can manipulate.

There was a whole lot. I forget what they were called, but there was a whole line of like, I forget what they were called. But they weren't wrestlers, but they were something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Different characters. Kind of like the homies. Yeah, yeah.

Of that size. Yeah. Yeah. I like those ones. These are kind of like that, but they're like one color. They have purple ones, green ones, red ones, pink ones. It's not very- Indiscriminate.

I can tell which one sergeant slaughter because he's got the hat on other than that i don't know who's who all the same color there's not there's no detail to it no it's i mean yeah the whole one each figure's just one color and they have in these rick flair scott hall the road warriors larry's abisco nick bachwinkle stan hansen borazukov nord the barbarian sean michaels martetty, Kurt Hennig. And you're just supposed to know. You're supposed to know. Yeah, you got to really look. You got to be a huge fan. Big fan.

Yeah. In 89, too, they start calling him, rather than Nord the Barbarian, they're going with the Lumberjack theme now, with him and Scott Norton, and then just him, where he'll be Yukon John now. Not bad. Yukon John. That's his name, too. Yeah.

Well, he just comes out with an axe and he comes out in jeans. There's several. The WCW had Big Josh a couple years later that was Matt Bourne. I do love a good weapon that you're not going to use. He comes out in jeans, a flannel shirt, like a skin hat, an animal skin hat, and his boots and a big giant fucking logging axe over his shoulder like he's gonna man yeah like he's gonna fucking behead the man he's fighting he doesn't need you know now chest slap him yeah so stupid now backhand this man's bare chest

oh my god uh he had the guillotine leg drop is what he would do, which is Hulk Hogan's leg drop. But he would do like this thing where he would run back and forth for like 30 seconds first. Ropes and ropes and ropes. Because as you're jumping up and down, it makes a difference. The momentum back and forth that you get makes a big difference in what force you're going to have going up and down. Yeah. Obviously. You run consistently the same speed across the fucking thing.

Back and forth. And like stop to hit the ropes. Yeah. Stop to hit well you gotta charge up that's what it is it's like hulking up yeah it's the thing you gotta charge it up that way he's just charging up he called his axe bertha of course too he had a name here um he at one point got it seems to be going on like a born again type of thing yeah where he talking about, they ask him about his New Year's resolutions. And he, they go, yeah, Yukon John here. It's Greg Gagne interviewing him. And he keeps howling, by the way.

He keeps doing this howling thing. And Greg Gagne goes, there's the wolf call. All the fans are howling. Nobody else is howling it's 1989 awa there are 150 people there and they couldn't care fucking less what's happening in this fucking ring whatsoever so um he and uh um uh eric bischoff is the one interviewing him actually at the time and he says um jesus christ do you have any resolutions you want to share with us and john says quote i got three resolutions

number one read the bible okay number two read the bible what's the third one number three clean up all the dirty rotten scum in the awa oh that was a surprise while i'm reading the bible that's a left turn that's very much a left turn that's wrestling everybody at least he didn't go woo afterwards like i mean he was doing but not like flair like and that greg ganya and left me with a head scratcher that's john nord for you that's how he's gonna be his whole. That's how he's going to be his whole life here. So, uh, he's in Japan in 1990 for a while here. I see a couple months.

He's in Japan. Um, yeah. Fighting some interesting people here. Uh, some of them are Japanese guys that Jimmy, if I said their names, you're going to go,

huh? What the fuck? So also he fights, uh, he wrestles Bam Bam Bigelow a few times. We know of him, obviously. Scott Hall's over there at the time. He's wrestling with Scott Hall a little bit here.

Back in the AWA in 1990 after, wow, this is bad stuff. AWA 1990 is when it's getting, it's the end of it. It's the end. It's about to die. This is when they started doing events without audiences. Oh, boy. They had just the room. Yeah. That was a fucking.

Not because there's a pandemic. No, no, no. It was just a void. This weird void that they wrestled in when there was nothing in there. Then they did a couple. Oh, my God. And there's a thing. I think it's on the WWE network where they'll show it.

They have this advertisement for their new show, which you don't need an audience for, where they would film people in a bar looking at stuff and reacting, and then act like that's the audience. Oh, my God. And they project the audience, like green screen them. Just create. It looks terrible to me it's so fucking bad just make it happen yeah so they did the team championship series which was awful uh

that was really bad um he fights a bunch of guys who really have never heard of here jamie magnum the annihilator texas psycho texas hangman psycho that's quite the tag there wow that's a lot there uh baron von rashki a little bit uh he actually fights here has a match with uh um coquina maximus who's yokozuna later on okay and uh he beats him at super clash four which there's like two people there it's they could have held it in verne's backyard if he really wanted to so he talks about steroid because he's huge as i show you saw the cover of that video he's fucking enormous and he goes yeah i wasn't really a cycle guy is what he says oh he was just boosting hard which yeah if you're

supposed to be a cycle person, that's how it works. They're more healthy. That's how Jose Canseco always tells you you're supposed to do it and all that kind of shit. That's how you get longevity out of it, right. Yeah, he said, quote, I'd take a cheap bottle of testosterone

and take a shot here and there. I wasn't a cycle guy. So he was just jamming himself up all the time. Wow. I'm looking slightly smaller. Let me jam myself up some more. That's how you get tits though that's how you get fucking a lot of things that's how you get your kidneys to rot out and your liver

to fall out and shit like that that's not good that's how a lot of the guys were doing it back then too that weren't really healthy with it they were just needed to look good all the time so they took them and those guys died when they're 48 and somehow this somehow he's still alive i don't know fucking how but nord's still alive and we don't have the ultimate warrior damn it right so well that's better for the better he's a pain in the ass he's a jackass the ultimate warrior i fucking hear his bullshit he's such a jerk off man he was a jerk off then and then you hear his like interviews later on you're like you fucking asswipe. Shut up. Shut the fuck up. He just wanted to be a star, James.

Ugh, he's just such a judgmental twat. I hate him. I'm better than everyone. Everybody needs to be more like me because I am like this and like that and I'm the warrior and the way of the warrior. Shut the fuck up. Shut up. You're a wrestler, sir.

Yeah. People are terrible out there drinking alcohol and doing all that shut up who had a heart attack when they were 53 shut the fuck up in a hotel parking lot shut up guess guess who's still alive that you talked so much shit about jake the snake roberts who did fucking your body weight a thousand times over and cocaine is still alive your heart exploded so who was right who was wrong who cares but he had to be doing coke too right he says he never did drugs i can't believe that other than steroids he never did drugs he was fucking he didn't eat anything that

was bad he was a fucking lunatic um his fucking head looked like it was gonna explode on tv his last appearance that was just him he was always that's how he would jack himself up so bad they said he would go into like this he'd go off by his own and get himself all crazy and all the guys are like this guy's a fucking jerk off he's working way too hard at this this is you don't have to do all that dude you're gonna die young sir yeah so he goes nord goes to wwf in 91. He says that, talks about doing a lot of drugs and steroids. And he said, the thing about wrestling is it's so hard on you, you crack. You have to medicate yourself to keep going, which we've heard a ton, especially WWF at that time period. You're working six to seven days a week.

Sometimes these guys were on the road. These guys were on the road for two straight months without being home, stuff like that. Yeah, and working every night and traveling every day. It's fucking brutal. It's brutal, yeah. So when he's in WWF, he needs a gimmick. We got this big giant guy.

Looks crazy, looks scary. What's his gimmick going to be? Well, apparently vince had really really wanted someone to be a viking vince vince gets these characters in his head once in a while that he kind of fits it he comes up with something and he wants to fit it and that was with the the undertaker character he had that and he wanted to do something with that and he uh he had um um several characters like that where I need somebody to be this

because this is this character I have. DiBiase, the million dollar man, he had that character and was looking for the guy to be the million dollar man. So that's the same thing. So he, Vince, had this Viking character and he first thought maybe the Undertaker,

Mark Calloway, should the viking before he's the undertaker maybe he'll be the viking the best portrayed act and history of it right the the it's a there's never been a character like that that had the longevity that's you know what i mean like a gimmick like that the best gimmick in the history of wrestling longevity wise so he said um wow this is jj dylan who was there at the time and he's behind the scenes and everything and was the manager of the four horsemen and all that kind of shit he says quote vince's first reaction was maybe he could be a viking with the helmet and horns talking about the undertaker he said undertaker is a pretty

impressive guy he had the size. In the business, they call it the it factor. And if you're on the business on the executive side, it's hard to find the words to describe it, quote unquote. I can't explain it, but it, and I guess another word for it, is natural charisma, and Undertaker had it. So he said, no, we're going to make him the undertaker and they got paul bearer and all that kind of shit so he's had this fucking thing hanging around for a year that he wanted this

viking and then when he saw john nord he was like there's my viking his last name is nord of course i'm gonna put horns on his head look at him he's gonna look like he came in he's pillaging he's raping john have you ever raped him? Have you ever raped a woman or a man? I don't care. Anyone. Have you put your penis in anybody without their consent? Because if so, I think this Viking thing

is going to work. We can do this. Okay. Okay. You have it. He's got that it factor. I see rape in his eyes. He's got the it. Give him a 1099. Let's go. So he's managed by Mr. Fuji, and he is, at first he's the Viking in a couple of house shows, but then he becomes the berserker. Okay.

The berserk, which just makes me think of. It's not far off. It just makes me think of clerks, though. Right. Yeah. How would you like some making fuck berserker? That's all I think of. That's makes me think of clerks though right yeah how would you like some making fuck berserker that's all i think of that's all i think of how would you like some making fuck how would you like to suck my cock berserker Olaf Berserker so he uh

his gimmick was number one he came with the boots on and he was just this he would do like the almost goose stepping you know I'm a fucking viking and he would do the hus hus hus like fucking Bruiser Brody as a Brody tribute

cause that's what Brody did and the way he won his matches was I don't know cause he's so out of control you can't tell him when you gotta pin a guy because that's what Brody did. And the way he won his matches was, I don't know because he's so out of control, you can't tell him when you've got to pin a guy. He would beat them up, then throw them out of the ring so they get counted out. That's how he'd win matches.

Which is great, but you can't win titles that way. So at some point he's going to have to pin somebody. So he participates in the Survivor Series in 91. He is against, let's see, his team is Colonel Mustafa, who is the Iron Sheik, like well past his fucking prime. Hercules, who is looking real weird and sallow at that point, too. Skinner, who's Steve Kern as an Everglades character with tobacco juice all over him, and the Berserker. That's one team versus Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Sergeant Slaughter,

Kerry Von Erich, Texas Tornado, who we've done an episode on, of course, Tito Santana in his El Matador gimmick, where he is wearing green pants and purple sashes and shit, looking like a nut so summerslam 92 is over in england it's in london and he's hanging out with hawk afterwards and he says that essentially everybody went home from the from here when london happened you know everybody that it was over with everybody flew home, but him and Hawk stayed behind. He had planes to come home, not gone home for the night.

No, yeah, they all left to go back to the States, but they stuck around for a few days. Oh, boy. And he said he goes out, and he goes to some bar, and because Hawk had said, hey, come out with me tonight. We'll go hang out. And he said, all right, yeah. He goes, yeah, I'm going to hang out with some Hells Angels that are over here from back

in the, you know, there's bikers over here, and yeah i'm gonna hang out some hell's angels that are over here from back and you know there's bikers over here and then there's guys from the u.s that are over here and they want to hang out so right nord was like that sounds like a party sure i'll do that i'll party um so he goes out and they party at one bar and they go to another bar and close that down and hawk nord and the Hells Angels are quite the combination. Yes, yeah. I mean, Hawk and Nord, first of all, they don't need a gang because those two guys could clear a fucking bar out on their own. But they also have the Hells Angels with them. We don't need the disorganization of the organization. Yeah, they don't need that.

These are just some two Minnesota guys will beat the shit out of everybody. So then they end up going to somebody's house for the after-after party, and they're all partying, and he said that's when he made a mistake. Uh-oh. He said, quote, somebody handed me a paper strip. Yeah? I said, what's this? Put it on your tongue, dog.

And they said, it's acid. tongue dog and they said it's acid he said it's acid and he was like that's this paper they were like you know you need a little bit of this little piece tear off and he was like this little thing's gonna fuck me up get the fuck out of here and he goes i just popped the whole thing in my mouth like the size of a postage stamp like a fucking strip probably you know five hits of it or something that weren't broken apart he's like i it's popped into my mouth and he said wow that was a fucking mistake he goes i was tripping hard yeah he said people's faces were turning into demons and oh my god hawk was tripping too fucking it was a bad time he's like it, I took too much acid, basically. Way too much because I'm an arrogant fuck. And when you're doing acid, the main thing you want is comfort.

You want to be in a place you recognize, the people you recognize, in a comfortable thing. In a strange house in a strange country with the Hell's Angels is a terrible place to do acid. Terrible. So he said, quote, we failed the piss test before we got there in England, so we knew we were in trouble. Six weeks

off. We were stranded there for three days in the Hell's Angels house coming down. Three days? Three days it took them to come down. Holy shit. And they didn't go back because they knew they were suspended for failing their steroid test anyway. So they were like, eh, fuck it.

We'll just stick around here. Three days off and really find ourselves. To really find ourselves and figure out what a crumpet is and we'll work it all out. Let's do it. Heard a lot of good things about scones. What do you think, Hawk? So 1992, later on in the year, is the incident with Nails here. Okay.

Now, Nails, Jesus Christ, this guy, he's the guy, Kevin Wachholz, he's the guy. Vince had an idea. Well, let's see here. We have a matador. That's good. We have a viking. I need that. We have a person who's actually arisen from the dead.

Okay. That's excellent. I like that. The undead. The undead. i have a prison guard okay that's good i have a who's supposed to be like a a brute a brutality fucking you know a brutality giving prison guard i got him okay i got a brutal prison guard but what i don't have is an actual prisoner no i need a prisoner what about someone who is like on loan like from prison

you know what if we what if we just took a a dangerous felon and we just take him out in his orange uniform we put him in the ring against somebody and let him wrestle what about that what if we pretended that was a character so they do that and they make nails who is a guy who the on good behavior is allowed to go wrestle and hurt people. Absolutely. And he is in a full bright orange DOC fucking jumpsuit. That's what he wrestles in. He doesn't like take that off and he's got tights on.

He just wrestles in this jumpsuit. And that's that's what happened here. So apparently there's the incident where Nails goes in and confronts Vince McMahon, yells at him, and then fucking chokes him. And this is a thing that happened. He choked him, punched him. There was a whole big thing working. And eventually Nails will sue Vince saying that Vince sexually harassed him. Oh!

I want to hear that story. He said he sexually harassed him and made him take steroids. Vince's dick or what'd he do? I want to know. I think he said he grabbed his cock. He came over and grabbed his cock, and that's why he choked him. That was his excuse for choking him. It's the bait, I guess.

But apparently, Berserker Nord here was the guy who guarded the door while this went down. He went to watch the door or was right by the door we don't know if he was actually doing it um here is a wrestler named charlie norris who is he was a kind of a jobber guy he um he says quote nails he was working a program with the big boss man they did boston garden they did madison square garden where you're supposed to get a nice chunk of money from that not just the money you're getting. He said, we were going over there, John Nord and Nails that day. I didn't believe him, but Nails said, I'm going to choke him out.

I'm going to get Vince tonight, and you guys pretend that you're pulling me off of him, but not really. Just make an effort, because I don't want you guys to get in trouble. So me and Nord were in there. He said, I don't see how we could have pulled him off anyway. I don't think 50 people could have pulled him off. He said, he was one bad dude. Nice guy, great guy, and I loved his gimmick.

But he asked Vince, how come my payoff is so low? It was ridiculous, like $600. I saw it. He showed me. Wow. That was the main event of Madison Square Garden show, though. $600. It's not much yeah which the business was so in the shitter by 92 i mean they're lucky to get 600 bucks out of that he said for madison square garden are you kidding me so he asked vince and

vince got snotty with him some people you don't do that with and he's one of them he did grab vince and he was really choking him he let him go but yeah that was green bay that was in green bay wisconsin we were watching the door so nobody else could get in there john nord and me i don't remember who else was there he got fired after that not nord yeah nails and sued him uh another thing that hawk says or that uh that uh nord says is that they ask him about people being tough all the time for some reason, and he's an arbiter of tough here. They asked him about Haku because they always asked everybody

any Haku stories about him being tough. And he said, quote, no fucking way. I love Haku, but he's not that tough. I don't get the Haku deal. If I saw him, I'd tell him, you're not that tough, and he laughs, which I don't get the haku deal if I saw him I'd tell him you're not that tough and he laughs which I don't know that's everybody else was terrified of him including a SWAT team he did beat up a whole bar and bite a guy's nose off and pop a guy's eye out too at one point and nobody fucked with him at all including you know even Andre the Giant was like yeah respect that guy so John says not says, not that tough.

Not that tough. Okay, whatever, John. I mean, he might know him. I don't know. I wasn't there. So in 93, he's in the Royal Rumble here also. And he leaves the WWF in early 93. He goes to All Japan, but I can only find a few matches really over there that he did um doesn't seem to do a lot in like you know big time wrestling for a little while here uh then he

ends up in wcw in 1997 he pops up out of nowhere in the nitro era this is when they added thunder and they just needed bodies they needed fucking any not only thunder they just needed bodies they had so much going on so Thunder, they just needed bodies. They had so much going on. So they were hiring anybody and everybody who's ever had a name. They should have organized that a little better, yeah? It got out of control too fast. It got bigger than they, yeah. It grew more than they expected it was going to grow. That's what happens when you get Hulk Hogan fucking involved.

People are going to watch. Spun out of control. And you make him a bad guy, that's going to make what's that now this is awesome it made everybody watch that at least once because you go hulk hogan's a bad guy now people like what you go yeah i swear to god you guys check it out black and white don't go watch no yellow like stubble and shit it's wild yeah it's weird so um he comes in he has short blonde hair and wears sunglasses and just goes by John Nord. So somehow that's supposed to be a great character. I don't know.

And he doesn't do anything. It's all these just kind of preliminary matches because they just need bodies that people recognize. So they do that. They pair him with Barry Darso, his friend from high school who was Smash and all that shit. They team them up for a little while uh he has a couple few matches on nitro beating these are such low down the card matches he beat roadblock he beat fucking you know people like that nobody yeah nobody with anything here then fourth of july 1998 oh he gets beat by Goldberg. So that's a big one there. Yeah.

But late in 1998, he said he had a shitload of injuries, just a ton of injuries that were limiting his availability. He said he loved WCW because it was easy money. Really? He goes, they pay me over $100,000 a year. He goes, once a month I'd have to work. I'd be sitting home. Once a month I'd have to work. I'd be sitting home once a month. I'd go work. I'd get a nice check.

He goes, that's a great job. That was, boy. He said he didn't like Scott Hall and Kevin Nash very much. But other than that. I mean, they'd strike you as guys that are just egomaniac. You know what I mean? They're very, they want it about them. And especially then, too.

They were like, we're in charge here. Fuck you, people. Fuck you, AWA guy who nobody cares about. They and Hulk are why I watched. Yeah. Or gave a shit at all. He, in WCW in 1997, he made $40,274, because he was only partially the year there. 98, 122,200 bucks he made.

Hell yeah. there 98 122 200 bucks he made hell yeah this is for from what i can find a total uh i don't know about house shows but uh a total of 13 matches wow he made 162 474 dollars for 13 matches so that is not bad that's more than 10 grand a match that's not too shabby he ended up making some serious money. He supposedly went back to Japan for a little bit around this time, but he's all injured and it doesn't really work out. So he's back in the States and he's kind of done wrestling at this point. And he ends up being completely done in a minute here.

1999, he does a high school fundraiser for his, I guess it's his kid or his nephew or somebody in his family does a fundraiser for their high school where he's going to put on a wrestling show and all proceeds go to the high school. Produce it himself. Athletics or whatever. So he's calling his old buddies, people he knows, famous people. It'll come do him a favor. And he says he called Jake the Snake up. Oh?

My old buddy. And he goes, Jake, will you come in for a grand? I'll give you a grand. Come on in and fart around for five minutes. Do your thing leave and jake said sure why not so jake yeah he said yeah what the hell that's what he was doing he's working the indies at this point so a grand for a night why not so he says he shows up and he goes jake's in bad shape he's not looking real good looking sick and he's looking uh he goes and he comes up and he goes i need the thousand up front and he's like come on jake he

goes oh you know me i'll pay you i've known you for fucking 20 years you know i'll pay you like give me a break i'm not gonna stiff you and he goes i need the money up front and john was like oh okay i get it so he says he goes i put it in his hand and he is poof gone he goes he's disappears he goes right to the hood he's getting whatever the fuck he wants and you know smoking crack and doing all this shit he says he gets up um he gets up uh gets in the ring jake and he threw up over the top rope outside of the ring he stood up and threw up outside of the ring over the top rope we got what we paid for already then he didn't have his boots tied properly because he was so fucked up.

Yeah. So at one point when somebody, when the guy dragged him, his boot came off. Wasn't supposed to. So at one point, Jake has to throw up again. He throws up in his boot in the ring. Which is like a cartoon cowboy or some shit. This is the best. Oh, man.

He was like, well, that was a thousand dollars for that huh yeah all right that's amazing isn't it he got it's 500 a time for him to throw up that's worth it throw up twice not bad so yeah nor didn't like that i'm not a pot guy alcohol pills are crack that's what he said not steroids alcohol pills are crack is what he likes. I mean, come on. That's bad news, man. That is awful. So 2002, he's done wrestling. Body can't do it anymore.

You know, he's 43 years old. It's time to stop wrestling if you're a big guy who's got knee and hip problems and shit. So he goes instead. What do you think he's going to do now, Jimmy? Drive truck. Nope. He goes to work at his brother's auto dealership. Oh, he's going to go sell cars?

Yep. Nord East Motors in Hilltop, Minnesota, he goes to work for, which is weird because that's what Greg Gagne did too. He went and sold. He sells Toyotas. I mean, people will show up and buy from you. That's the thing, yeah. It's come up.

You can hear some stories. So this is when he also starts. I don't know what it is about this. I guess when you're on the road wrestling, you're just kind of going from place to place. You don't have a lot of time to fuck up. Once he has like a nine to five, he starts getting arrested like the Dickens boy. I mean, just from, oh my God, from 2002, there's 16 incidents where he is charged with either 16 separate incidents where he's charged with felonies or misdemeanors. 16 times. 16.

In three years? No, no, no. From 2002 to now, or from 2002 to 2019, he had 16 separate times where cops put bracelets on him incidents with the cops where you're arrested once a year 16 times as an adult grown human being not a wild 20 year old right a family man with a wife and a kid 40 40s and 50s. Yeah. He's got a son in high school at this point. He's got a wife. Tons of, most of them DUIs. Oh, no.

And then driving with suspended licenses while getting a DUI. And then, you know, all that kind of shit. In Minnesota? In Minnesota, yeah. Any idea how fucking drunk you got to be to have the cops' attention? Yeah, that's what I mean. They'll pull you over and go, hey, so, what six yeah that should be good i mean i've had three so i've had three yeah so uh oh it's just a road beer okay yeah you know that's uh i'm always

getting those two how long did you get off hey half an hour all right get home you need a need a fresh one or i got a cooler in the car there I can get for you. No? Okay, you're good with that one. Okay. Good, good. Stay warm. Stay warm, then. All right. That's how it goes.

So, Brandy? Can I get you some Brandy? Like a dog with a thing on? Yeah. So, his son, Joe, like we said, wrestled for Waconia High School, and then he signed with the Minnesota Golden Gophers there in college to go wrestle. By December of 2005 there, he does an interview, and he says he's a wholesale car salesman now. Wholesale.

And he's wholesale, much more interested in his son's wrestling and all that than he is in anything of his. Oh, God. Yeah, he said that his son's great. He goes, he's 6'5". He's got that blonde curly hair he's good i don't know if i want him to be a pro wrestler but it might be in his blood wholesale there's no meat on that bone to be getting commissioned no wholesale wholesale wholesale sell off some wholesale cars and then get shit faced and drive home with no license

thinking about i just love my son. I just want my son to wrestle good. I made $450 on that Datsun today. Let's go to the bar. That is worse than nails did at Madison Square Garden. And I said that. That's not good. That's where I draw the line.

I draw the line right there. I'm sorry. Oh, my. So, now, he goes through, like I i said all of these arrests over the years and it's it's crazy because you cannot find information on these early arrests i don't know how he was known in the area he's in minnesota he's known there very well he's getting fucking duis like nobody's business getting all this type of shit and nobody's putting it in a fucking newspaper even i can't find a newspaper article from back then that says wrestler john nord arrested again for having a you know twice the legal not how unimportant duis are in minnesota wow it's wild man so july 2016 he is part of the class action lawsuit against the WWE.

Okay. He's like, what the fuck? Throw my hat in the ring there. Everybody else is getting paid. Help me out. For traumatic brain injuries and all that. When you hear Nord talk, you go, yeah, a combination of getting hit in the head, drugs, booze, and maybe just not being the brightest guy to begin with. That makes what we're looking at right here.

Yeah. So the lawsuit was dismissed in september 2018 somehow it was it's wild entirely dismissed it's so funny because every other sport when there's like a lawsuit going on with that they all go oh yeah yeah we we fucked up bad on that there's plenty of plenty of cataloging of people having problems and them sweeping it under the rug. But in wrestling, they just let it go. They're like, eh, I don't know. They're independent contractors. Fuck them.

Shocking. So, yep, in September 2020, an appeal for the lawsuit was also dismissed. So, dismissed. You guys are fine. Hey! Hey, you're fine. Yeah. No, I know you got hit in the head with a chair a hundred times but you're fucking your brain it doesn't work like that you're fine wow so yeah so john is walking around he's in and out of fucking handcuffs his brain's a little

mushy he likes pills and booze and and fucking and uh crack he's got problems let's just say he's got problem you almost kind of feel bad for the guy as he's limping around you know what i mean you almost do it's not good not nearly as bad as i feel for john nord technology executive global leadership of cyber security in huntsville alab principal. We're a big crack fan. Big crack fan. John Nord, principal at JEN Consulting Group in Southbury, Connecticut. Principal. John Nord, owner, South Florida Center for Cosmetic Surgery.

Would you let this guy operate on you? Jesus. John Nord, restaurant owner at Magnolia's Blossom Restaurant in Foley, Alabama. And this is another one. John Nord, restaurant owner at Magnolia's Blossom Restaurant in Foley, Alabama. And this is another one. John Nord here. This is from 1917. Another bone dry arrest. John Nord of Randolph was arrested Saturday afternoon by the deputy sheriff on a charge of unlawfully permitting Arthur Kyrene to keep liquor in a building on his premises. Seems like something our guy would do.

That could have been his relative. And then finally, John Nord, who is, the way he puts it, the custom designs of Texas Swede artisan John Nord. What is that? He's a Texan, Swedish Texan named John Nord who makes Western artisan. He's got a big thing that's the shape of Texas on his breast hair. Featured in Museum of the Big Bend Trappings, Lano County Museum Trappings, Fort Concho Stribling Shows, Lubbock WPS Spur Artist, and Cowboy True Artist. I don't know what that means. I don't know what any of that shit is i really fucking don't man he's texas through and through though with a little bit of yeah he's a swedish texan who makes shit out of wooden you know yeah like a

puts the state of texas on his shirt. He's that guy. He's the guy who makes jackalope horns. And he's like, see? Buy you a jackalope when you come through here. Jackalope horn helmets. Yeah, that's what he makes. No, really, they're all around here. Now, January 24th, 2018, John goes on Judge Mathis.

Oh, what's he got? What's his case? This is amazing. God, I love Judge Mathis. Oh, what's he got? What's his case? This is amazing. God, I love Judge Mathis. This is ridiculous. He was sued, John was, by Christine Schmidt, who he had befriended at a substance abuse facility at which she worked. And obviously he was a resident of there because he's in and out of rehab a lot, a whole lot. He stole, allegedly here, $4,759 on two credit cards she opened for him to help him get back on his feet.

And he just charged them all up and it was hard to pay it. Two $2,500 cards. Yeah. Now, Nord, in January of 2018, said he had been in substance abuse recovery since December of 2016. Wow. So over a year. And he said that he and the plaintiff, who he was hanging out with, actually had burned through a $10,000 royalty check from WWE on things such as fancy restaurant dinners. I have $10,000. We'll live forever. Let's go to Red Lobster.

What the fuck? Initially, he intended to repay her with funds from another royalty check, which never materialized. What happened here was, because i read about this that's got to be a settlement right no no they get royalty checks because they're on the network and they sell things so uh and also they reissue the dolls now they reissue the figures that are they're really cool the berserker one's cool too because it comes with the fucking helmet the axe and all the shit i've seen it on there it's awesome so um he he told her will you open credit cards for me i'm waiting on this check and i'm gonna get this credit card then no it showed

up i'm gonna get this royalty check then i'll pay it back but he said when the royalty check came he and christine schmidt burned through the money on other shit and didn't pay the credit card back you didn't have to pay taxes on that man yeah and he said he was going to pay it back with the next royalty check which never came no that never materialized so she said she accepted as reimbursement 205 valuable wrestling dolls ah he gave her wrestling figures and he was like he'll get your money back you'll get your money back um and she sold them for a total of 1700 which who knows if she knew who knows if she knew what they were really worth

and you know that sort of thing so nord claimed that she would have earned much more money if she sold them at their actual value. She said that five of them were worth approximately $750 each. Those are the fucking AWA Remco. See what I'm saying? He had fucking. Yeah. And that was back then, too.

But he probably had them still in the package. You know what I mean? Which are worth so much money. So, yeah. So he was like, listen, Jesus Christ, if you had them today, you'd be swimming. She could have made it all back just on those four. She'd at least have 700 of your dollars.

Yeah. Fuck yeah. It was in the package. So she claimed that, well, yeah, she said she was ignorant about selling wrestling figures online. That wasn't her form of business. You have to know what you're doing. And she needed money quickly to pay bills. So she needed to just sell the sell the shit god i wish i would have been on ebay that day fuck so i had no money then though that would have been it could have

been 12 i would have been like well that's out of my price range i didn't even have health insurance it was a mess so uh judge math is ruled that she should have done her due diligence before accepting and selling the dolls and reduce the amount owed to her by the proceeds from the sale to three thousand fifty nine dollars. So said. But so she he still has to pay the money back. She got that from the dolls. He has to pay the difference.

But she said, well, you're he. Judge Mathis said you're also a dipshit for not finding out right how to do this correctly first why'd you sell the diamond ring for 50 bucks you're an idiot yeah exactly tell us yeah you're dumb fault so march 23rd 2019 okay uh he is scheduled to do an interview here nor it it is with the Hannibal guy we talked about there, at WrestleCon in New York City. But he can't make it there because he is in jail. So that's a problem.

Yeah. He was also advertised to attend the Sunday's Mark Out at the Meadowlands wrestling slash football fan convention in Secaucus, New Jersey. But he is arrested for DUI and prohibited from leaving the state, so he can't make it. Yep. He was arrested in relation to the DUI.

It was March 23, 2019. He was arrested and placed in custody. They said he had multiple traffic violations and unpaid tickets and warrants, and he was very much wanted by the cops. And then he gets pulled over, and he's also drunk. So that's not going to work. He was arrested at 5.23 in the afternoon, too. Oh, boy. Not even 2 in the morning.

Afternoon beers. Yep, and he faced two counts, a felony and a gross misdemeanor. Gross misdemeanor. Pretty good. Jake should have been charged with that for that match. He also was driving even though his license had been canceled, which because he had been rendered a danger to public safety. Yeah, habitual offender of DUIs.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. They took his license because he can't learn his lesson. Yeah. They literally said it's not suspended. It's canceled. We've canceled it.

I've never heard of that. No, I've never heard that term before. We've canceled your license. It's just over. It's not even revoked. It's literally, it never existed. You could go in there and they go, John, who? We don't. No paperwork. Sorry. And they'd close the window on you. You could go in there and they'd go, John, who? No paperwork, sorry, and they'd close the window on you.

You're canceled. You're over. Your license is done. His driving record said the N-word. It's canceled. It's canceled. It's totally canceled, like in a really public place. it's also noted that in the state of Minnesota,

the aforementioned phenomenon, which is being labeled a danger to public safety, like officially by the court, is when the driver is unable to safely control his vehicle without posing a significant danger to others, which he obviously is there. Yeah, so he's got all sorts of problems. Also, the fact that he's been driving without a license and all that kind of shit. His bond was set at $60,000 due to the felony DWI charge.

And he ends up getting bailed out eventually here, too. Eventually, because July 16th, 2019, he's going to be sentenced for some dui arrests here and he's almost lucky that he gets a lot of let me tell you something if you're going to commit a bunch of crimes yeah make sure you commit them all kind of in the same time period and get arrested once for all you can hammer them all together they will absolutely lump those into one thing like a trash compactor we'll make it one piece yeah whatever, whatever you've done, you've done it once, no matter how many times you've done it because it's just easier that way.

So, less paperwork, I don't know how it works. So, he is placed on, because he was arrested on March 23rd, like we said, oh, that was driving while intoxicated, operating a car under the influence of a controlled substance. Oh, pills probably, right?

Maybe the aforementioned pills or crack. Or crack, yeah. Or crack. And with a canceled license. So he was arrested six times for driving after his license was initially revoked. Oh, my. Like, completely canceled. Jesus.

The prosecution during all this is attempting to push for four years in prison for him right now and rightfully so yeah this is ridiculous you can't you can't be trusted zero sympathy sympathy for anybody that's that's got several duis in 2019 that's insane fucking crazy yeah you should know better by now and it's just on your phone done so they argue uh that he is a represents a significant public safety threat and we should put him away now nord his lawyer said that he's been diagnosed with als oh which i don't know man because i've seen interviews with him pretty recently and he's still the same i don't know, man, because I've seen interviews with him pretty recently, and he's still the same. I don't know what's going on on the inside of him,

but I don't know if that's true or not. That's some serious shit. Yeah, that's what I mean. ALS is the worst thing you could get. The lawyer said he's been taking painkillers to deal with not only that, but also the damage on his body from being a wrestler for 15 years or something. So he said he's had physical and mental damage done to him. They said he's currently in treatment for his issues, and he's going to need to live in assisted living facilities for the rest of his life.

He's at wrestling conventions all the time. He's not in assisted living facilities. He's totally out there. How did he get somebody to say that for him? Gave him a few bites. He's a out there. How did he get somebody to say that for him? Gave him a few bites of lawyer. Yeah. So the judge said that the sentencing was difficult to decide on because he said, quote, life has handed you a lot of special things.

On the other hand, it's taken away a lot of what makes you you. So he said, I'm having a hard time. Come back in three months and we'll find out how you're doing and we'll we'll sentence you again how about that does that sound what sound good that sound good and he said yeah that sounds okay and so he comes back three months later judge tells him you sir may fuck off five years probation oh nothing in other words he gave nothing not a not a thing not a goddamn thing but he is on paper now so if he fucks up he gets five years i don't know five years i don't know it's not a suspended sentence with the probation so who the fuck knows how it works so uh march 6th 2020 he's arrested on a dui probation violation this is ridiculous

yep uh he's arrested this is uh in pursuant to a warrant related to a 2017 dui arrest a completely other fucking thing he was arrested by warrant uh by deputies after he failed to show up at a court hearing, which resulted in his probation being violated. So, yeah, they said that he was sent to court on March 8th. He denied violating his probation. He's released on zero bond and told, make sure you get to court next time, mister. He's going to fucking kill somebody. What the shit, man?

We said it with Sonny. Yes. We said it repeatedly with Sonny. We said she's going to fucking kill somebody. What the shit, man? We said it with Sonny. Yes. We said it repeatedly with Sonny. We said she's going to kill somebody's grandpa. And she did exactly that. Exactly killed somebody. That's my worst prediction ever. Our worst prediction ever.

It's the worst. But it happened. That's going to happen again, man. It's going to happen in winter. That fucking road's going to be cold and slippery. And he's going to fucking murk a family he is it's it's fucking wild um he keeps doing it he said um you know it's it's crazy jesus christ he talks about this and it's canceled one of his hearings gets canceled due to covid so it like

just gets delayed and delayed and he's a guy too He doesn't hide that he's fucked up still. He's not sober. No. And he says, in an interview, he's talking about Jake the Snake now. And they're like, oh, yeah, Jake with DDP Yoga. And he's got a job with AEW. And he's doing so well. And John starts laughing.

And he's like, he's not sober. He's like, I fucking know Jake. He goes, Jake, my ass, he's sober. He's like, there's no fucking way he's sober. He says that because John can't get sober. Right. Because Jake can't's sober. He's like, there's no fucking way he's sober. He says that because John can't get sober. Right. Because Jake can't get sober. It's kind of like,

it's a thing, the behavior panel guys I've talked about before, they have this thing where they always say, if you want to know what someone thinks about something, don't ask them what, don't ask them what they think about it. No. If I want to know what you think about a fucking congressman,

I don't go, Jimmy, what do you think about this congressman? Because you're going to hedge it. You're going to say whatever. You say, Jimmy, what do you think most people think about that congressman i don't go jimmy what do you think about this congressman because you're gonna hedge it you're gonna say whatever you say jimmy what do you think most people think about that congressman you'll get their real thoughts every time every most people think like i think probably that's how that works so you can you'll get a completely different answer what do you think the majority view is of that person it's what's your view of that person yeah this guy just he doesn't give a fuck man he just says no

he's he's had no concept why should he he's had zero consequences yeah for his terrible behavior and when he thinks dangerous shit he's projecting from jake and i don't know jake might not be so i don't know what the fuck he's doing but he john says i mean i can get sober for like a month he goes can't do much more than that he goes though so he says i mean, I can get sober for like a month. He goes, can't do much more than that, he goes, though. So he says, I mean, yeah, he probably gets sober for a month like I do, but I mean, that's it. That's all I can do is a month. Oh, my God.

But the arrests were like a failure to control vehicle. That's dangerous levels of drinking and driving. And pilling or doing whatever you're doing. Yeah, whatever he's doing behind the wheel is so bad it's terrible and he's he's he's openly saying yeah i mean he goes to rehab for a year at a time and shit and he's still openly saying like yeah i mean more than a month yeah who can stay sober that long so shit man it's not good um he talks about move to minnesota now i don't watch out for john nord there. Let's hope he ends up

fucking somewhere where he can't drive. Put it in a ditch by himself. Fuck. Jesus Christ. He talks about also... He's going to drink and drive, James. It's not over. Oh, he's going to get fucked up and drive again. In my opinion, there's no way it's not going to happen because he's... He keeps doing it for 20 years.

Lock him up. Yeah, it's going to happen. And he says he won't be sober, and he's got to get places. Oh, my God. What are we supposed to do? And by the way, if you look up his net worth, it says he's a million-dollar net worth everywhere. Impossible. I don't think so, because I don't think he made that in his entire wrestling career, probably. You know, like, honestly, very on the edge of that.

Very successful wholesaler. He might do great, though, the edge of that. And then maybe he's a successful wholesaler. He might do great, though, in the wholesale market. Who knows if he does amazing. He sells 100 at a time. I don't know what the fuck he's doing. He talks about all of his friends dying because somehow he's still alive. All the guys he talked about, all those guys I talked about are all dead. And we said that he went to high school with outside of Barry Darso.

They're all fucking dead. He said, I've lost four dear friends before their time. You slip over that line and you can slip off into eternity and you don't know exactly where that line is. He's trying to find it is what I'm getting at here. He's he's deaf. Nord is definitely towing at that line trying to figure out where it is. Oh, yeah. Hope he gets his shit together before he finds it.

Before he takes everybody else's shit with him. Yep. Can't get enough of John. Well, you can get his $700 Remco wrestling figure, or you can get his much cheaper WWE remake one that are probably $30 or something. It's pretty cool. Or you can find on eBay here, I found a signed promo picture of him for $24.99. And the signature, though, I don't know if it's really worth that.

Let me show you this. Roll over here. Well, look what it is. What the shit? He just wrote Berserker in print. What is that? See the fur on his boots? See what I mean?

His go over the toes, mean he's got the whole his go over the toes though his are the whole toes actually it's a whole wrap thing going on and his thing and his hair and he just just prints berserker there you go that is so fucking weird so that is that what's out there for him and that is john Nord everybody and a fun wrestling episode I know and yeah this one like we said this couldn't I wish we could have found more on the actual DUI arrest he gets you know pulled over

and then he takes a swing at a cop and runs up an embankment and slips down and poops himself I would have loved to get those details but nobody nobody had them like they just weren't anywhere to be found. So I couldn't get them soon, James,

but, uh, oh, it's going to happen. I'm telling you this, keep an eye out just, and I, I hate to say it because every time we'd say something like this shit on the

show, something like that happens. It's almost like the show has some weird power over events. So I don't want that to happen. It's time James with guys like that, habitual offenders that are fucked up driving. They don't learn the lesson until it's no until it's a lesson you know what i mean until it's physical damage to them maybe it'll do it but they're not gonna or maybe if they're half decent person if they actually kill somebody then they'll go wow that's terrible that

that happened but lock and key keeps them from doing it again or that or that but no they will not put him away and he just keeps saying he's sick and it's a total to me i like i said i don't know his medical condition but it seems very wrestling to me to show up in court and be like he's got als brother he's got the most als and his hips are messed up you've never seen a case of als like this before in his life holy shit lou garrig would bow before him and lick his fucking sweaty balls with the amount of ALS he has. They would change it to the berserker. Yeah, it should be John Nord fucking disease.

That's what it should be. That's how much. Oh, Christ. Lou Gehrig's a pussy is what the doctor said. I don't know. So that's John Nord. He died from it. He's still living with more.

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Brandon Letterman. Brian Wilkes. Chandler. This is fucking insane. Chandler Samashima. Joshua Hagen. Linda Wessels. Wessels, maybe. Rachel Bourne, Kim Bretz, Jessica Watkins, Corey with no last name, Lyle Hockey, Anisha, Anisha McGoldrick, Beth with no last name, Cody Remington, Charlotte Taff, Kirsten Sprohar, Andrea Fantacone, Wyatt with no last name, Fiona Taylor, Courtney Richmond, Kat Carlin, Jane Arnup, Keisha Alonzo, Brandon Coyle, Hebus Pussyballs, Hubus.

Of course. Of course. Stephanie Anson. Of the Newport Pussyballs? Yes. Oh, okay. Just making up the Kennebunkport Pussyballs. You knew him. You met him.

Well, there's two different families, so I don't know which one it is. Oh, okay. Just making a kind of bunk board pussy balls. You've met him. Well, there's two different families, so I don't know which one it is. Oh, boy. Catherine Connaughton. Connaughton. Benji Luke, I think. Katie Shaw. Catherine Cook. Rebecca Plender.

Plender Leith. Plenderleth. Whitney Harrington. Matt Briggs. Biggs. Chrissa Sorensen. Jonathan Ward. Hamburger King. John Krause,

Lauren, oh boy, DeMarco, Heidi Meyer, Zach Howard, Paul A., Josh Farrell, Joshua Streben, Freckles04, Connie Statham, like Jason. That's Jason's mom, Connie. Rachel Paleto, Paleto, Paleto. State Statham Statham like Jason. That's Jason's mom, Connie. Rachel. Paleto Paleto Paleto. Jim Ace Martin Chantel Black Blackmon. Andrew. It's probably Blackman.

Andrew Medbury. Christina with no last name. Tara. That's the only mistake you've made. I'm sure it's fine. Jonathan Miller. Mary Jo Rogers, Kelsey Nunley, Lisa Ann. Not that one, probably. Dandelions with no last name.

Howkta. Bruno with no last name. Michelle Gardner. Sophia Fike. Steeler girl, Amy Jonathan Bigler. Bilger. Damn it. Melissa Gansalvido.

Gansaveld. Patrick it. Melissa Gansalvido, Gansalveld, Patrick Case, Caleb Ramsey, Samantha Corbin, Corbran, LaDonna Jackson, Harley with no last name, Amanda Ciccarelli,

I'll bet that's right, Jose Munoz. Probably Ciccarelli. Probably Ciccarelli, like the hockey player. I want it to be Ciccarelli. It might be. You never know.

People pronounce things differently. Kim Raspress. Rolano would know last name. Michaela would know last name. Katie Ballantyne. Michael Papa. Kevin. Oh, shit.

Gallagher. Gettaburg. Gettaburg. Christina Richardson. Anthony Pardon. Pardon, maybe. Samantha Nelson. Chrissy Anderson.

Sue Crowley. Sean Spahr, Michaela Louth, Adrian Smith, Jack Baker, Kyle Streeton, Stratton maybe, Jen Fox, MyLife222, Kimberly Mortensen, Thatchia, Thatchia, that can't be right, Sterling, Thaysha, maybe, Ashley and Aaron Kane, Alyssa Burns, Cammie Raver, Edna the Librarian, Katie Murphy, Donovan Kreft, Aaron Reich, Rich, maybe, that's probably Rich, Kayla, Rick, that's not Reich, David Hayes, Kevin Ault, Andrew Berry, Erasny, with no last name,, Lance Sinova, Madison Earle, Tremius, Tremius, Treminus, Barbecue, Ryan Adams, Samantha Brown, Mark Hanna, Mimi Basarge, Danielle Judge, Carly Smiley, Matt Suttle, Ann Swenson, Phil Sazenberry, Neil Roper, Mary Andres, I think, Andrus, Lily King, Luke Calloway, Kurt with no last name, Ray with no last name, Candice Raymer, Caitlin with no last name, Moss134, Megan Teague, Dee Peters, Christina Jones, Martin Marufo, Eric Booth, Raphael Ambrosio-Casto, I think, Andrew Moss, Janet Hall. Evita. Evita Butel. Casey Fonisbeck. Fonisbeck.

Ryan Silski. I really ran the gamut on that one. Any one of those. Ryan Silski. Ash with no last name. A. Jones. Finn Raines. Bethany Johnson.

Jacob Mendick. Mendique. Mendyke, maybe? Mendick. Probably Mendick. Is Dick or Dyke in your name? Which one? Mendick doesn't sound great either.

Tori Dyke. Corey Diani. Diani? Akins? Margaret Noble. Sarah Elizabeth. Elizabeth Ruddy. Shiloh Lake.

Scarley. Charlie, maybe? Mead. Damien Widland. Oh, Wildland Firefighter. Thank you, Damian. Chris Aiken. Ozazawa.

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