Crime in Sports - #372 - A Dirty Old Man - Gene "The Snowman" Snow - Plus Aqib Talib & Sunny Updates!!

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

This week, we look at a man who broke records for speed, and innovated ways to go faster, by helping invent engine components. He is one of the most respected drag racers in history. He also ...apparently liked the company of young boys. A little too much. He was repeatedly arrested for awful things, and let go with slaps on the wrist. The things he has been accused of as bad as they could be, but he's somehow welcome back into his sport.Have a seriously wild background, have no fear of driving 250 mph, and have sick desires that should make you the pariah of racing, but somehow don't with Gene "The Snowman" Snow!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:05:17 The Internet will have a new asshole when we're done with it. September the 18th and every Monday morning thereafter. That said, let's get into it, Jimmy. All right. The asshole of the week here. Let's do it. it it is gene snow do you know who that is gene snow did he drive um damn it i know who he is okay you've heard of this yeah he's i guess a top 50 funny car guy of all time sure and uh the only thing i really know about drag racing is it is the easiest way to to rid yourself of as much money as you can possibly have that's one thing i know like
Starting point is 00:05:54 as the owner of it yeah it's second to it's almost it's got to be first ahead of filmmaking like as far as something that like if you need a tax loss you know i'm saying like if you're a real rich guy and you need fuck i gotta show a big loss like make a bad film in the 80s they used to do that or you need a drag racing team because that is just all money you spend i just read an article about how they tune the motor it is essentially a one run mode it runs for third fucking 12 seconds and then it's oh and then they throw it away and redo it it's a great it's you basically spend a hundred thousand dollars to try to win a six hundred dollar prize it makes no sense that it's not as it doesn't make sense it's only there to show tax losses that's the only possible reason it could be there there's no other reason for it
Starting point is 00:06:42 with which they go it's fun is crazy it's over 300 miles an hour i don't understand how it's a business is my point that's the thing well they they certainly take money from the spectators they just give it to i don't know where the fuck that money goes it's got to go to the owners it's 150 a ticket oh it's expensive it has to be those cars cost a fortune and there's no nothing in this but there's no prize money it's crazy it's bragging rights we're going to talk about gene snow gene marion snow is his name and i think it's gene i don't think it's eugene either from everything i've been able to gather it seems to be just straight gene marion snow uh nickname the snowman yeah of
Starting point is 00:07:27 course we're very creative it's very creative hey snowman no gene starts life in a way that you'd never expect him to end up in like uh in a in racing no less but also in the fact that he helps advance technologies in racing later on but that's not where he started at all and how he got there holy shit okay he's born september 28th 1937 jesus so yes born in different times this is in the middle of the depression yeah i was thinking with the name gene and mary and i thought he was named for cowboys like fucking uh no they were named after him yeah no you're right this is just the time when everyone was named gene and marion my son's gonna be so tough i'm gonna give him a girl's name
Starting point is 00:08:20 the owner of the of the angels was uh was gene autry yes that's the name i'm thinking of i was thinking if he was named after gene autry and uh but not they're named after him they've got to be they're all from about the same period here yeah they're they're born in the same time that's crazy and he's from fort worth texas is that right now it's dallas fort worth it's like considered one area back in the day fort Fort Worth was a different place. Fort Worth was called Cowtown. Wow. That's the nickname of it was Cowtown.
Starting point is 00:08:51 That's what everybody called it. Fort Worth was based- Where the stockyards were and shit? Stockyards and brothels. That's what Fort Worth was back then. Sounds amazing. Yeah. Fort Worth was a different-
Starting point is 00:09:01 It was like Old West. It was like the last incarnation of the Old West was Fort Worth still back then. And then it got later on, it became more of a suburb. Stockyards and brothels, the two things that will make your town smell the worst. Oh, absolutely. It's going to stink from Main Street down to Elm Street. Boy, let me tell you something. But a lot of happy guys walking around.
Starting point is 00:09:23 They have jobs and then yeah places to spend their money at night that's always good full pockets and stinky dicks that's right oh well my dick could be stinky anyway i'd rather have it stink like this than what it's like before his father is a rancher not surprisingly he's either be a rancher or a pimp in this town there's really no other a rancher or a pimp in this town there's really no other a rancher or a prostitute there's no other options i don't know if a man named harlan from fort worth would be a good prostitute or not but you know i think he would know where they are probably but i don't know if he'd participate in it well uh mom betty okay so harlan and betty don't raise little gene up here he has eight brothers and
Starting point is 00:10:06 sisters wow so and he is the ninth by a long like they had a family uh-huh did all their thing yeah and then this kid showed up when they were like it's almost over it's almost our time and then he popped up he's the youngest by 14 years holy shit they had all they had seven kids had a whole life in a ranch and did all this shit and then no here he comes hi son of a bitch yeah shit what's that thing when they die in their sleep real like you don't know why could we could that happen to him maybe because i this is terrible for at least four years from empty nesting and yeah brand new baby brand new baby and so they went with i mean what are you gonna do back then it's that's yeah they were like i guess more help on the on the ranch shit
Starting point is 00:10:58 um so his father has a small ranch father and mother but his father runs the ranch mother runs the house um and he would he had a small ranch where he would raise animals i guess from what i understand but he also like i guess his business to make money though because i i guess there wasn't a lot of money in what he was doing i don't understand what was going on but side hustle his side, which is still on the ranch, is he was the area's number one bull castrator. Number one. Number one. Like, it was, you go to Harlan Snow if you want your bulls without any balls anymore.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Harlan Snow will take them off the right way. Like, he was. Does number two sometimes leave one on him? How do you become? Sometimes. He left half a ball on that thing, and it just didn't work out right. His nut sack still dangles. I'm like, why is it dangled like that if it ain't got no balls in it?
Starting point is 00:11:52 How do you have a number two? I don't know if he's the fastest, if he's his heel up the quickest. Right. Great point. I don't know what it is, but apparently he's the best in the area, and everybody comes to him, and he's known as like that. You know what I mean? He'll take the nuts off him.
Starting point is 00:12:10 He is Harlan the ball grabber. So Gene, it's said, was castrating bulls by the age of three. What? I guess his dad just took him along with him because he was the only kid around that's little and he was like well come on with me and he was does does number two use toddlers to do it for him this guy's got a three-year-old and they then they're the best and that's his that's his that's his assistant too that's his apprentice that's his igor is this fucking guy is a three-year-old three-year-old child cutting balls off a wild animal his mom betty said quote that boy was something else i'll bet you you've never seen
Starting point is 00:12:53 a young man take to something so fast well i guess not he's three i've never you can barely walk when you're three never mind castrate things you have a child mutilating animals holy fuck ain't it sweet, though? Look at him. He's good at it. It's nice to see a boy with confidence. That's what it is. Keep an eye on that boy.
Starting point is 00:13:12 If he took to mutilating animals at three years old, like a duck to water, that's scary. That's terrifying. Plucking him up. Where's the next one? Can I have another, Daddy? I got the taste for it today, Daddy. Give me it. Got a real bloodlust in me.
Starting point is 00:13:31 I love Betty. Listen to her next line here. I've never seen a young man take something so fast. Quote, one day he didn't know a bull testicle from a baseball, and the next thing you know, he's plucking them like a Florida orange picker. What? Fucking Betty. What's happening in Texas?
Starting point is 00:13:51 Texas. He's just out here plucking them. He just plucks them, comes in with a big old bag of them, and throws them out on the counter. We pick out the good ones and throw out the bad ones. Does he have his shirt out and it's just full of burlap? That's what I'm picturing, yeah. Totally.
Starting point is 00:14:06 He's got a big sack. Or he uses his shirt at first as a papoose. A bloody shirt. Look, mama. I got a full load. I picked them all. I got a full load. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:14:20 He's right. He does this. He doesn't say anything about school. I assume he goes to school he's found his calling yeah he's got a career for christ's sake so the problem is when he's eight years old gene talks about a bull named big bart okay and what did big bart do well big bart kicked him yeah so because that's his balls little buddy hey i'm big bart don't fuck with my bull balls what do you expect from big bar i'm a 2 000 pound animal that's the thing i would kick you too if you're going for my nutsack
Starting point is 00:15:00 especially if you're an eight-year-old kid i'd be like the fuck away from me you don't know what you're doing that's the thing about castrating bulls you got to get real fucking close yeah it's like in right within that kick gotta get him right up at the top real up high real up high so apparently he kicks him and sends him flying several feet in the air through the air he's an eight-year-old kid he probably weighs fucking 60 pounds or something at the top so i mean he flies through the air smashes his head on a beam in the barn one of the of course wall beams i guess and he and he's unconscious knocks him unconscious now the bull i guess started freaking out after he kicked him and was freaking out so his dad comes in to try
Starting point is 00:15:41 to intervene you know as you do with your eight-year-old who's fighting a fucking ton animal. An animal that weighs more than a Chevy. His father left an eight-year-old alone with a wild animal to pluck his testicles. I guess he was there. Okay. Because he got right in there and was trying to help him. But I guess his dad, the bull gored his dad and then stomped him. That means his horns went through him no to death what no he killed
Starting point is 00:16:07 harlan finished him he scored him apparently based on what they put together afterwards because that's the other part gene didn't know about it till he woke up he woke up and the bull had gotten out of the barn there's no bull and there's his dad laying there i mean in a bloody heap head yeah crushed and fucking a hole in his chest so his body in his body so holy shit he was wow he was fucking you know obviously that's a lot for a kid you know what i mean he uh wasn't so much into balls anymore after that no less changed his life a little less less sack centric than he'd been in his earlier years after that as i might imagine um so this is fucking crazy now and this is all we're talking 1945 the middle of world war
Starting point is 00:17:00 two for christ's sake yeah you know what i'm saying like his brothers are overseas and like shit like that so this is hard i don't know how fucking i don't know exactly how accurate the next part is but this is what several different people say and what his mother said later on and everything else so okay you know what i mean take it for what it is a legend 80 year old legend or whatever the fuck but if his mom said it it seems true at that point so he wakes up with his dad's battered corpse and obviously like i said things change a few months go by apparently where he doesn't mess with the animals anymore and he's kind of real sketchy one day he wakes up and decides he needs revenge on the bull on the bull revenge okay and later on he would say this is i should do it in their own words on this one but uh you know what fuck it let's do it in their own words it's early so we usually don't do it that early but it's so
Starting point is 00:17:58 crazy i think we gotta fucking put it in okay in their own words quote knocking me down is one thing we both knew he was there for something he didn't want done but kill my daddy and i'm coming for you man woman or beast what it's a bull dude well you know what it's a vendetta now he's treating it like it's like the only name on it yeah big bart like his father was killed by a sicilian mafioso or something and he's going after him so one night he waited for his mother and couple siblings that were still living at home to fall asleep and he snuck out of his window with his rifle really he sneaks out he walks like two and a half miles to this rancher's
Starting point is 00:18:47 property in the middle of the night he's eight going to kill another man's bull well gets a also two and a half miles nobody saw an eight-year-old with a rifle walking down the street in the middle of the night and thought that was a strange occurrence texas what the fuck well he's probably going to the whorehouse that's good for him hey little buddy you need a ride you going to fast eddies okay cop in us too wow um yeah so apparently he sneaks in um he hides out he finds big bart which I don't know if he's got a name tag on or what here. We'll find out. The name like Big Bart probably stands out a bit.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Also, he's the one with no balls, too. You can tell that's the other thing about Big Bart. The big one. He's the big one. With no nuts. No nuts. Nut-free big one. So he finds the bull and he shoots it.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Yeah. Right in the head kills the fucking bull. Yeah. Right in the head kills the fucking bull. Yeah. He feels great about himself for about 15 seconds. Yeah. And then he hears a shotgun blast. Oh, Jesus. Because if you fire off a gun in a rancher's ranch in the middle of the night, they sleep in overalls with a shotgun next to them.
Starting point is 00:20:02 They're ready for this. This is what they've been waiting for forever. I told you someday somebody do it, and they're running out there. And if you fell my prized bull, I'm coming for you. Yeah, I don't know if this guy. Man, woman, or beast. Man, woman, or beast. So I don't know if he shot the gun up into the air or what,
Starting point is 00:20:20 but Gene just heard a shotgun blast and fucking took off. or what but he gene just heard a shotgun blast and fucking took off ends up cornering himself apparently in a in a corner with a higher fence than how he got in so now he's kind of fucked over here stuck he's stuck so yeah he doesn't know fucking what to do here yeah he's stuck he's stuck he waits all night long he waits all night long. He waits all night long. Near a bull corpse, yeah. Yeah, he sleeps with the animals out there. Ends up falling asleep because he's, you know, eight and all. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:55 That's why you don't send eight-year-olds on hits, because they'll just curl up with a juice box and pass out. Suck their thumb until they fall asleep. It's not the same. It's not the same. The rancher finds him there in the morning, clutching his rifle on the ground, sees his dead bull, puts two and two together. He knows who this boy is.
Starting point is 00:21:13 He knows who this boy is. So he takes them down to the police station and they end up apparently killing someone's bull in Fort Worth is a big offense. It's a big no-no. It's a big no-no. You would have been better off killing his daughter or something. They would have been like, well, I mean, I could see that. But you don't kill a fucking bull unless it's sanctioned.
Starting point is 00:21:33 It's horse thieving. Yeah, that's how they're looking at it. So his mother pleads with them. He's eight. Yeah. The thing killed his father. He's eight years old. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:42 He's fucked up in the head. What do you want from me? The war's going on. It kicked him. Hitler's still alive. It kicked him into the fucking rafters. He's eight years old. I don't know. He's fucked up in the head. What do you want from me? The war's going on. It kicked him. Hitler's still alive. It kicked him into the fucking rafters. He's got brain damage. We can't.
Starting point is 00:21:51 All bets are off. Well, his mother promises to, quote, move to the other side of town, I guess away from this other guy's ranch. I don't know if that would help. And she said that he wasn't quite right in the head after that bull that's what she told him he hit his head on the fucking rafters and she promised him to take him to the doctor and not let him near any guns if they let him go we'll get out of walking distance of fort worth that's if let's um we'll move in down by the whore houses it's fine we'll move in by the brothels
Starting point is 00:22:23 and we'll keep him there hopefully he won't kill you won't care if he kills none of them anyway so none of them killed nobody in my family they're safe yeah so that's they let little gene go so him and his mom take off move to the other side of town and gene wants nothing to do with animals forever ever again he's only interested in engines from now on the opposite of animals the only thing he wants to do with with animals is horsepower that's a horsepower not nothing with bulls though no bull power none of that and that is fucking insane that's a wild origin story and it'd be even crazier if it was true that would be the crazier thing if any of that was true it'd be wild god damn it the fact that i want that to be true so bad
Starting point is 00:23:07 the fact that the only true part is he's born in fort worth in 1937 i don't know his parents names i don't know what the fuck they did i don't know where he came from how he got here i would never want any of them to be true more than i want that one to be true not in the royal reaper i kind of want to be a little three-year-old bull castrate motherfucker it seemed reasonable 1940 hard times on the a blade or rubber bands or however they did it i don't fucking know i figure they just in a three-year-old's hand yeah i get real hard i want it true i figure they use like a big cigar cutter you know what i mean In a three-year-old's hands. God damn it, I want it true. I figure they use like a big cigar cutter.
Starting point is 00:23:47 You know what I mean? Snip, okay. Some sort of fucking guillotine that closes. Yeah, a little guillotine device. Bloop, there they are. I think they just put a rubber band on them that tightens it and cuts off, constricts it. Oh, wow. Until they just fall off. Oh, man, I figured.
Starting point is 00:24:03 I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Chop them and then they fell into a nice basket with a velvet pillow on it. Well, what do you do about the giant hole that you left behind? Just cauterize it close? That's what I figured. You cauterize it. Just they brand balls. They stick it in there.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I don't know. It's the 30s. I'm pretty sure it's like they just tighten it. I know very little about that. Yeah. I think that's how it works. So there we go god damn it anyway what we fucking gene what we do know about gene though yeah is that he's born in 1937
Starting point is 00:24:33 in fort worth that is true right yeah and he's originally an engineering student sorry it's been a long time since we've made up yeah it's been a minute it's been a while i think it was the bears maybe a year and a half ago it was the bad poor little eerie or a little little yuru little yuru a man that didn't never exist poor little guy got taken out down by the bear um he's originally engineering student at the university of Texas at Arlington. That's over by Dallas there. Oh, yeah. Right there, too. He ends up, what the weird part is, that's where he starts. He ends up somehow from being an engineering student opening up a used car dealership.
Starting point is 00:25:16 Oh. He loves cars. He loves cars. He's very much into cars, as you would be if you didn't want to get on an an animal at all if you killed your dad and all so he dragged race cars he would drag race cars out of the dealership to promote the dealership hell yeah so that was the way he promoted you'd have drag racing cars out front and then he'd have like a drag racing exhibition and be like come buy some old shitty come by it's fast as shit yeah no they weren for sale. It was just to promote the used car business. It's like the wavy inflatable arm guy.
Starting point is 00:25:49 He's not for sale. You don't go, I need to get him in my yard. I came here for that. It's just to draw you in. My Mustang's fast as shit. Buy a Ford Tempo. That's what it is. Exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Look at this car. I don't sell cars like this. Jesus, can't buy that. So after he'd win drag races, he would sell the car then. That's what he would do. He'd win, and then there'd be a winning car, and he would sell the car to somebody who was all excited who watched it. So that's how he would – kind of like Mickey Dory used to do with his surfboards. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:17 He'd sell the surfboards after people would watch him surf, and he'd make more money. So he'd get more attention for that, you know he was trying to promote his business he there's a somewhere in here everybody later on says he has oil money i don't know where it came from or how he got it or if he invested in it or if it was a family thing or what the deal is but everybody says that he has oil money that's and that's the only explanation for all of his but i'm learning that is a fucking smoke and mirrors reason for everybody to have money in texas well just johnny manziel because he doesn't have any just him a lot of other people have a lot of money for i'll bet there's three people that have oil money and then everybody else just says i have oil i have oil money if and then everybody else just says, I have oil money. I have oil money.
Starting point is 00:27:10 If you wear a suit with cowboy boots, you can say you have oil money and people believe you. That seems reasonable. He's got a suit and cowboy boots. Look at that. Those are ostrich. That guy's got oil money. That's got to be oil money. No other explanation for the suit and the cowboy boots. There's none.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Look at him. So he's doing that. So he started taking racing more seriously. Yeah. He was driving a 1958 Chevy Impala with a 409 cubic inch Chevy W block engine. Yeah. Which is the one the Beach Boys sang about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:45 Giddy up, giddy up, 409. Giddy up, 409. He moved over to Mopar by 1963 and was running a Plymouth Sport Fury, which is pretty fucking cool also. They're fun cars. That's a badass car, those old Plymouth Furies. They're dope looking. The Sport Fury is the two-door. The Fury is the four-door.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah, that's the family. The cops drove them. Yeah. But the Sport Fury was the four-door. Yeah, that's the family. The cops drove them. Yeah, yeah. But the Sport Fury was rad. The bad, those things are nasty. They're really cool. Taylor Swift is soaring high, her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans. She's broken billboard records and made Grammys history, not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process. But along the way, Taylor has had to wage war, first by taking on a very powerful, very famous manager, Scooter Braun,
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Starting point is 00:29:55 So as the 60s go on, he started innovating technology here. I guess that's the advantage of being an engineering student and not a podcast writer. So he stretched out the wheelbase to improve handling yeah what's his idea which led to a bunch of wins because he was ahead of the curve with that stuff if you figure something out technologically in racing it seems like you can crush for like two years till everyone else figures it out and catches right and if you can adjust a wheelbase to make that car much more steady wherever because that's that's the thing about 60s cars people like want these muscle cars and stuff but they ride like dog shit oh yeah and if you can adjust the suspension yeah
Starting point is 00:30:34 and and then they fucking body roll into corners and it's just awful but if you can adjust that suspension to ride right you can and back then that's very expensive and very difficult to do but engineering students can fucking figure it out that's those are the people that would need to know okay if we extend this then this has to be like this and then the you know all the physics of it that we don't understand me and you would just go that looks longer you know what the fuck do we know longer and wider that's better all right that seems more stable. So he did that. And I don't think back then, too, racing had like nowadays the regulations on racing are like you can't. Oh, if you move that two inches, you're disqualified.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Like you're not allowed to do that. You're not in this class anymore. Yeah. So I don't think back then it was like that so much. I think it was a little more freewheeling as you could come up with. Well, move my wheelbase. And that was fine. as you could come up with.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Well, move my wheelbase, and that was fine. So they said stretching the chassis was his seminal contribution. I don't like when they say it like that. Seminal contribution sounds like what you get at a crime scene. There were several different DNAs on the site. There was a seminal contribution from this man, from Gene Snow, and from that one. They're guilty of the rape murder that's all i can say when i see seminal contribution let's don't put those words together to the fuel coupe which is the funny car class yep he's the guy who kind of invented that because it
Starting point is 00:32:00 evolved it evolved out of the wheelbases being fucking stretched out. Right, because then the body doesn't fit on, right? So then if you stretch it, then you open the front and lift the whole body off the car to get in it. And see, I guess the super stock classes and all that, that's all him. So I guess Funny Car was not a class recognized by the National Hot Rod Association. And we all know. was not a class recognized by the National Hot Rod Association. And we all know.
Starting point is 00:32:29 If you're not recognized by the National Hot Rod Association, you might as well not exist. Jimmy and I have been trying to be recognized by them, I mean, since well before we started this show. We're comedians. We have nothing to do with hot rodding. But we thought about it and said, you know, Jesus, really. We submitted.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Decline. We could get. Decline. We could get recognized by them. And, oh, by the way, I meant to say Rod Beck, my friend, the old pitcher there for people who are new listeners or whatever. He had a drag race team. Did he have a funny car or a top fuel car? I don't remember. Or was it Superstock? It could have been Superstock, the door slammers.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Those are fun ones. It was a badass looking car. I remember't remember. Or was it Superstock? It could have been Superstock, the door slammers. Those are fun ones. It was a badass looking car. I remember seeing the pictures of it and stuff. It was called Nine's Mine because ninth inning is closer. So that was the name of the Nine's Mine racing. Sounds like Pio Mine. That's wild.
Starting point is 00:33:17 That's kind of good, right? So I guess he had it for before the Sopranos. But he was saying, telling me, obviously before he died, that he said, do you ever want to lose as much money as you can set a fire? He's like, you could throw cash into a bonfire and it doesn't go as quickly as if you have a drag racing team. Everything's broken all the time.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Everything needs to be brand new all the time. And it just never ends. And you don't ever get a return on it. So he's like, it was wild. A wild scene. And the equipment you have to have, it's not just a car. You've got to have a rig to pull it. You've got to have a trailer to pull it.
Starting point is 00:33:57 A team? Yeah. You've got to have somebody to drive it. He was fucking pitching. He didn't have time for, he wasn't going out on the racetrack. He had a whole team running it, a mechanics this guy that guy people it's a whole thing you got a driver that drives that car then you got a driver that drives the rig yeah and then if you win you go yay we got six hundred dollars
Starting point is 00:34:16 lunch is on me well okay well gas was 1200 just to just to drive that quarter mile it was 1200 so i don't know uh but he i guess yeah was uh not recognized the funny car by the nh uh or nhra nhra yes i don't know why it was hard to say i want to say nrha for some reason yeah so he was allowed to run in the dragster classes where apparently he ran a 9.04 second quarter mile fuck that's fast which is i mean you know just in normal times that's for a street car that's so fast it's very fast and i guess in 1967 he ran an 8.67 second quarter mile in the uh new super eliminator class yeah don't worry there's not a lot of racing stuff in this because we don't know shit about it so this is the name of the zz top album yes eliminator with that car out there i don't think he had a 39 ford though
Starting point is 00:35:16 or whatever they got yeah so by 68 he went to the gasoline burning classes okay i don't know what the hell's the other option alcohol alcohol yeah or uh and then top fuel uh there's all kinds of different fuels for him but if he's just running straight gas that's pretty impressive otherwise eight seconds that's fast yeah i guess he by 68 is when he switched in 67 he was okay he was doing the 867 and then by 68 he went to the gasoline burning classes and won uh a some category it was a class for modified production vehicles okay so souped up that's just street cars yeah yeah souped up street cars which in the late 60s that's pretty fucking badass to soup up those yeah to soup up one of those late 60s muscle cars and he loved mopars
Starting point is 00:36:02 so he's running sport furies and challengers chargers yeah rad fucking cars badass and he's he this man chopped up and destroyed cars that are worth oh god million dollars oh god yeah quarter million dollars if they're useless just look at it now well now it's longer yeah oh great. Now it's got a roll cage. You can't fit your family because I got all those bars in there. No, it's worth less than it was new, but still, we did good. Gas tank's where the passenger seat used to be. Yeah, that's nice.
Starting point is 00:36:38 You know, if you don't want to take the little lady along with you everywhere, you got an excuse now. Well, honey, can't have you sitting on the gas tank. You can get a quarter mile away from her in eight seconds of course then you're out of gas and that costs twelve thousand dollars so at that point i don't know man might not be worth it but buy my shit box so he's doing all this he i guess he realized that the increased torque that was coming from engines like the new generation chrysler he i guess he realized that the increased torque that was coming from engines like the new generation chrysler hemi this is when that came out at that time oh boy would destroy a transmission he said that's gonna fuck that up whereas a direct drive would be more suited to
Starting point is 00:37:18 the conditions under full load is what he said now you know I didn't make any of this up because he's making seminal contributions with full loads, everybody. I can't make that up. That's just too silly. He said it this way. Quote, we worked with Krauer to come up with, I don't know if it's a company or a person. Yeah, that's a great transmission company. Oh, there you go. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:37:43 To come up with a four-disc Krauer Glide centrifugal clutch. He's the inventor of the centrifugal clutch. He's the guy. This guy. Wow. He's an innovator, yeah. Though it was sluggish off the line, it would mow down the automatic cars,
Starting point is 00:37:58 which always nosed over at about 185 miles an hour. Yeah. So the centrifugal clutch, as as the motor uh uh revs up yeah it it creates uh movement and in the clutch in those plates yes that just pushes harder and harder and harder it's only one gear so as you hammer it it just it just keeps going and it gets faster and faster and faster so you know how like in aby-side that you've only got one gear? That has a centrifugal clutch. It does the same thing.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Interesting. So when you go in a side-by-side or the old Honda Pilots from the 80s, that's what it was. It's one gear. There's not really even a gear. It's just tension that expands, and it pulls on a belt or pushes on plates, depending on how it's configured. Interesting. That's fascinating so as as somebody hits a clutch throws it into another gear lets out the clutch and hits the gas as fast as you can do that it's still you still can't yeah there's still a dip in in speed and rpms when you're talking about 8.72 seconds as opposed to 8.63 yeah that's that little bit is a lot wow so he did it so this was
Starting point is 00:39:06 his idea i guess him and crowder they he said we need to come up with something and this was this is what's needed is what he said wow i'm losing a fucking there's a hitch in mcgiddy up yeah and i'm losing an extra second there yeah so august 17th 1968 he said at this point he's trying to go over 200 miles an hour. So that's the goal. He wants to go as fast as he can. He wants to break the 200 mile an hour barrier. That's what he's looking for. He said the idea was that as the engine RPM increased with his new thing here, the clutches would engage and there would be no gear sets to destroy.
Starting point is 00:39:44 That's what he said. With his new thing here, the clutches would engage and there would be no gear sets to destroy. That's what he said. So with a simplified drivetrain, he was the first funny car driver to drive over the 200 mile an hour barrier in autumn of 1969 at Dixon, Texas. Yeah. He ran there. And he said the sea level location gave us extra horsepower. And we went 200.88 miles an hour on the first pass. I didn't think it's such a big deal at the time, but we kept running more than 200 miles an hour at just about every race after that. Wow.
Starting point is 00:40:16 And later on that year, he ran 205.046 miles an hour at Orange County Raceway. Wow. So he figured it out. He cracked the because this is a typical clutch now all he's got to do is work on the motor and get more horsepower out of it and that's what he's known for those motors the motors he builds are incredible he's got the ones that he builds for racing yeah if you can get a car with a gene snow motor in it that's a damn nice motor it's all his specs all his but it has his name on the fucking heads it's they are badass they don't make those anymore absolutely there's a product that's being sold right now that has his name on it it's it you fuck yes you can buy a jeans who sells that
Starting point is 00:41:05 i i wouldn't have any idea how to track one down you can google it and there they exist who makes them who makes them that would be a great question who make because he's got to be if he's born in the 30s he's fucking long since dead uh oh's possible. It may be his company that's still selling them. Wow. The balls, it has to be because I can't imagine anyone else putting his name. When you hear why we're doing this episode, you go, no, you wouldn't put your name on anything. Why would you want that?
Starting point is 00:41:38 No, no, no, no, no. Oh, boy. Now, it starts in 1978 that we know of. I can't imagine. This is the thing. He it starts in 1978 that we know of. I can't imagine. This is the thing. He's 41 in 1978. Yeah. What he starts getting in trouble for is not something that you just start doing when you're 41.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Oh. So I feel like this is the first time it's publicly known. This is one of those things that doesn't start at 41. It starts much earlier. at 41. It starts much earlier. 1978, he says later on in the late 70s that he took a sabbatical due to the costs of the whole thing. It was very expensive. He said the 70s oil crisis and the political situation in the Middle East that made the oil bad. He didn't know when that was going to work out. And he had a couple of seasons that weren't too good so in 78 he just decided to take a little sabbatical for about three years okay uh in actuality also and that all might be true
Starting point is 00:42:32 i'm sure that's all true at the same time he right before that he took his little sabbatical he was also arrested for public lewdness at the same time like his dick out like had his dick out doing something now we don't know what he had his dick out or we don't know where his dick was or if it was in his pants or out or what he was doing. That was so lewd. His behavior was lewd and it was in public. It was lewd and very public, apparently. So later on, we will come a little maybe clearer of what this possibly is. So in 1981, he returns to racing in Top Fuel.
Starting point is 00:43:06 That's what he's doing, Top Fuel. During this time, he worked on developing his direct drive for Top Fuel cars. Okay. That's the long car with the motor right behind the driver? Yeah, with the real skinny. And the skinny two front. Yeah, the two little tiny bicycle wheels on the front. And that shit goes straight somehow.
Starting point is 00:43:23 It goes and takes off. Yeah, those are crazy. I like those. Those are fun. That's just an engine with a man sitting on a rocket that put an engine... It's a rocket ship with no wings. That just goes... That just pointed up in the air.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Right. It's weird as fuck. Pointed fucking straight. Wow. In the 80s, his achievements include the first four-second ET run in the NHRA sanctioned event. The last time is ET. Yeah, okay, there we go. Four seconds.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Four-second run at an NHRA sanctioned event. It was recognized, everybody, at Houston Park Raceway. Four seconds? Does it say what speed he went? That's got to be 330 miles an hour. Jesus, it doesn't say. It just says four second, which you could do the math. Somebody out there is good at math.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Four seconds, quarter mile. How long would that? Yeah, if a car from a dead stop gets a quarter mile in 3.3, what is that? How fast would that have to be going? Yeah. I don't know anything about math. It's got to be 330 miles an hour. I guarantee you one of our listeners is smart enough to figure that out. It's got to be 330 miles an hour i guarantee you one of our listeners are smart enough to
Starting point is 00:44:25 figure that out it's gotta be somebody garen fucking to you though right now someone's going it's that stupid and we'd go yeah i know yes he's going over 300 he's going fast is all we know so that means it would have taken him 16 seconds to go a mile god damn actually less because he had to start up he's already going yeah he probably got it in 14 seconds which is 50 that's crazy wow imagine going a mile in 15 seconds that's so fast that's oh that's wild so i don't know um i guess you can multiply that now by miles an hour yeah we're too we're too dumb for that neither of of us went to college. I didn't even graduate high school. Let's move on. 1984, he is again arrested for public lewdness and obscenity.
Starting point is 00:45:14 What? Where at? In Texas? I believe he's in Texas for this. Because that could be fucking... Well, in Texas. His ankles could have been out. I was going to say, in Texas, he could have just, like, I don't know, high-fived a black guy or something i don't know what the rules are in texas back that's lewd and obscene that's lewd right there no there was a sexual undertone to it i saw no i don't know
Starting point is 00:45:35 what the fuck it is maybe not i don't know what he's doing i don't know if he had his dick out like smacking a kid in the face with it or if he was fucking jerking off behind a dumpster or if he was taking a week while doing it yeah i feel like the obscenity part of it means there was it was sexual in some way shape or form had to be right yeah i don't know he ends up being acquitted of all but one misdemeanor citation for his arrests here and he ends up being fined for for that okay so okay that's what So he gets away kind of scot-free out of all this. Yeah. People kind of make jokes about him a little bit,
Starting point is 00:46:09 that, oh, public lewdness or whatever, but it doesn't affect his career here. Gene show. Gene's showing us your cock. So October 19th, 1992, he's in a crash here, and I'll read from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on October 19th, 1992. The top fuel dragster Gene Snow brought to the drag races earlier this week no longer for sale. Apparently he was going to sell it.
Starting point is 00:46:42 It is in the back of Snow's trailer in about 15 or 20 pieces he said jesus it's now an insurance claim fuck yeah now it's just we're taking pictures for insurance reasons uh after a harrowing high-speed crash during yesterday's first round of the seventh annual chief auto parts national prestigious they forgot that part yeah uh snow of fort worth was uninjured when his snowman dragster went out of control just past the finish line of the all concrete quarter mile Texas motorplex. Oh, my God. Snow's woes began when the car's left rear slick exploded at about the 1000 foot mark. That's not good.
Starting point is 00:47:22 His back tire exploded. Back tire exploded at the 1000 foot mark of That's not good. His back tire exploded? Back tire exploded at the 1,000 foot mark of the 1,320 foot long track. 320 feet left. The car, which was in the right lane, hit the cement guard rail, toppled onto its right side
Starting point is 00:47:38 and started to slide. It veered across the track and hit the left wall with the front end and stopped. Holy shit, that's a bad crash. Snow, 55, scrambled out without assistance. Remarkably, Snow also won his race against Don the Snake Prudhomme. Yeah, Don Prudhomme. Don the Snake Prudhomme.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Well, they called him the Snake because he used to race against McCune. And Stabler? Jake Roberts? Who was he racing against? McCune was the mongoose, so it would be the snake and the mongoose. Oh, for Christ's sake. Yeah, it was a rivalry, James. So it's the snowman and the snake today, buddy.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Who wins in that encounter? We've never had a snake come up against a snowman before. Well, and a snake's a cold-blooded animal. Don the Snake Perdomo, the defending top fuel champion here. come up against a snowman before well and a snake's a cold-blooded animal don the snake perdom the defending top fuel champion here snow ran 4.93 seconds and 255.31 miles an hour holy shit while perdom smoked the tires on the skull bandit oh he's that guy okay i remember that yeah he had the skull bandit car i was this is snow quote i won and my motor still is in good shape it hurt the injectors a bit but if we spend an hour on it the
Starting point is 00:48:52 motor would run again so he's saying the body got fucked up the motor's fine and i won the race so i don't care yeah superficial parts are broken but that's see and that's what that's what a centrifugal clutch does is the bandit car smoked the tires at the line because he popped the clutch too fast. Yeah. And it sent too much power to the tires and they're slicks. They don't have grip on them. No. Whereas the snowman car, he hit the gas and it slowly built up power.
Starting point is 00:49:20 It slowly takes up. That's the thing. That's like a low gear. I was going to say, it's almost like a slingshot at that point it's built up and that's why he said it would slower off the start because you don't you don't jam off but down the drop right into gear but it down the track you'll catch him shooting it out like a slingshot okay that's pretty interesting so um yeah he said that uh i won motor still in good shape. He said it hurt the injectors a bit. He said, look how the car broke into two, just like it was supposed to. It went to the right, and I thought I was going to climb the wall.
Starting point is 00:49:52 Then it went to the other wall, to the left. But it was a glancing blow and not head on. He hit the wall, and it went on its, he thought he was going to flip, and instead it rolled over on its side, rode the wall, and then ended up shooting over to the other side and just kind of plopping him. And hitting the other wall. Yeah. So he said, the car's in 15 or 20 pieces, but the driver's compartment was all tight and the fuel tank was protected.
Starting point is 00:50:14 That's nice. Snow's trailer, four other chassis, and spare motor pieces remain for sale. He said, I'm just glad to be here with all the pieces attached. Okay. There you go. Now, right under that, in case you're interested, in case you happen to be in Fort Worth on October 19th, 1992, this ad says, and in big giant bold letters, come on in and learn country dancing. Oh! That's right. Learn country swing.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Yeah. Country swing. What the fuck is that? Well, swing is. I know swing is. You'd hate it. I know what swing. Yeah. Country swing. What the fuck is that? Well, swing is. I know swing is. You'd hate it. I know what swing dancing is. Yeah, it's country.
Starting point is 00:50:51 So it's. Country style. There's a lot of spinning and. Twirling. Yeah. It's just your hands are busy with your partner. You're doing a lot of spinning. You look like an asshole dressed like an asshole jesus christ that
Starting point is 00:51:07 sounds well you can do you can receive your own personalized dance instructions learn at your own speed with one-on-one personal help by arthur murray's teachers oh arthur murray's doing it yes some yeah they don't care yeah and practice your steps and they don't give a shit they'll pump out what is it it in Texas? See if they want to learn how to fucking two-step or whatever those fucking hicks do. We'll swing dance in a Stetson. Who gives a shit? Yeah, I don't care. Take the money.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Someone will fucking teach them. I don't give a shit. So he says, and practice your steps in the group sessions and other people and with other people learning just like you. Start tonight. Phone now. Hey. $75 dance course.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Now only $24.95 for the first 20 callers. Did I make it? Nope. You're 21. Shit. You never made it. Well, I need to do it. From the picture of this, the two of these, it looks like they're river dancing.
Starting point is 00:52:05 of this the look the two of these it looks like they're river dancing it's a yeah he's in a he's in a hat and boots and a vest and she's in like you know girl stuff with the same thing she's like yeah and they're arm and arm but like next to each other yep you know what i mean like they're doing some kind of like a like a russian drinking dance and both of them have their right leg up and kind of to the turned in slightly like they're going to do like a river dance thing like they're going to start but like that's what it looks like they're doing there's a little bit of that but they're going to close it off and then she's going to spin and he's going to spin he's going to put his arms behind his back to grab her hand and spin again is there a do-si-do involved in here more or less it's all do-si-do the whole goddamn thing is a do-si-do whole damn thing's a do-si-do but i swear it
Starting point is 00:52:52 it may it may sound stupid and doing it may feel stupid but just seeing it for the first time it's fucking impressive you're like where did you learn that i mean even it's it's very impressive anything that somebody knows how to do yeah well they do it well you go oh that's impressive but you go that's one of those things where you go why did you learn that you know what i'm saying you've seen people with impressive like little talents but then you go but why did you learn that to like get out of like a russian gulag somewhere and like why do you know how to do that i don't have time to learn anything that useless i just don't i wish i did yeah i'd love to but i don't there is a portion of you where you go wow man nice job
Starting point is 00:53:38 why yeah what made you pick that as the thing to put all your time and effort into? How'd that come about exactly? Where'd that come from? Chief? Yeah, I tend to agree. Because I'm like that type. I just watch somebody do some stuff. I'm like, no, you did that very well.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Pray tell. Why? Just why? Are you doing that why yeah because i know me i'd be like this is stupid fuck this and i'd stop like i'd be done i don't care i don't care enough about it to practice that i feel like i look dumb as shit yeah yeah you do yeah all right i quit perfect i'm too tall for this i quit you put that cowboy boots with a fucking inch and a half heel on me too i'm like six foot seven you put a hat on me i'm fucking
Starting point is 00:54:31 maybe a little toe curl on it oh boy you put a hat on me i'm six foot nine and i'm doing fucking silly dances and tight jeans my legs look like they're 14 feet long this isn't good how stupid do i look doing this not great big heel boots god damn it yeah i don't need that i got a 38 inseam i look like an asshole yeah not good that's what i mean i can't i can't get away with that i look i got an bigger than most people's fucking waistline in this place i want out well not in texas no that's not in texas 38 38's a slim man you're like yeah i was gonna say like come on over here little guy come on slim come on over
Starting point is 00:55:18 this way we gotta get some food in you buddy you. You're wasting away. Look at you, 38. Jesus Christ. You're being a 36 noter. My God. Help him. Let's get some beans stacked. Come on. Is there a brisket in the house?
Starting point is 00:55:36 So after this accident, he says he's going to retire from drag racing, driving, active driving. Yeah. You'll see racing. Driving. Active driving. Yeah. That'll, you'll see God. Yeah. And also, too, if you have anyone around you that cares about you, they probably go, hey, stupid, you're 55 years old. You can't be fucking tumbling. You can't be doing 300 miles an hour. You can't be tumbling in a car at 300 miles an hour.
Starting point is 00:55:56 It's a young man's game. So March 15th, 98, there's an article he resurfaces here at the Galveston Daily News. And he says, Racing is fun today, but it's not like it was. It can never be the same. We spend all of our time working and thrashing and all that stuff. We used to have a little bit of time in between rounds and everything. Now it's just a bigger business now.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Yeah. The bigger the business, the less fun it is. Yeah. it's a bigger business now yeah the bigger the business the less fun it is yeah like read jim bouton's ball four and it sounds like the most fun to be a baseball player in the 60s sounds like the most fun like now you know yeah you make so much money but there's no it's not fun at all there's no fun there's no fun it's all business it's fucking business there's a lot of money involved it's different so and that's that's the same for just about fucking everything when it's a lot of money involved. It's different. And that's the same for just about fucking everything. When it's just a small boutique idea, it's fucking great.
Starting point is 00:56:53 And it's so unorganized. There's stories. It's so fun. Once you get business involved and everything gets- A million fucking people. Oh, I hate it. That's bad. I hate it.
Starting point is 00:57:03 Yeah. That's why we keep our shows to just kind of cottage industry yeah very cottage because it's it's more fun still that way yeah that makes it less work so this is i understand what he's getting at but also you understand when there's that much money involved for sure you know he said um it's a different game today it's way too professional i'm not sure if it's because there's money involved or what. I would say. Probably.
Starting point is 00:57:27 The reason I don't mind at all being in the lower class and top fuel and funny car because we're not under as much pressure. He doesn't want to be in the top tier where it's hard to do. He said that I guess he still has. He says he has fond memories of the old racing days with funny cars and top fuel dragsters and pro stock cars and all that kind of shit. He said, I wish they could figure out a way to work that back into some of the programs. I guess that's sort of just what they do with the bracket thing, but it just isn't what it used to be. But old times never are repeated often. It's a weird,
Starting point is 00:58:07 weird way to put that. Um, you have to march ahead and do the best you can, but I wouldn't trade the fortune I had of being there when it happened. And everybody who comes up tells me the same thing. The folks who were back there enjoyed it. Terrific. Good for you, Jean.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Uh, 19 days. He's, he's a very successful guy, apparently, in this. Yeah, yeah. I guess looked up to a lot for his contributions. April 29th, 1999, he's admitted into some sort of Hall of Fame here. This is the International Drag Racing Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Yes. He said that he didn't invent every cutting-edge part that found its way into all these cars, but he did a lot. And, you know, he's thankful, he says. But during a colorful this isn't him as the article, but during a colorful outspoken 40 year career that continues today, the Fort Worth businessman slash racer has never been reluctant to bolt on, modify or fabricate a piece that might sling him down the quarter mile quicker and faster. Snow and fellow Texan Richard Tharp were among 14 members of the 1999 class who were inducted into the International Drag Racing Hall of Fame last month. Oh, yeah. Wow. He said, it's a very nice deal. That's what Snow said.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Okay. Okay. Yeah. very nice deal. That's what Snow said. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Very nice deal. It was founded by the Museum of Drag Racing. It was founded by Big Daddy Don Garlitz in Ocala, Florida. Old Big Daddy Don. Big Daddy Don Garlitz.
Starting point is 00:59:38 You know him? Bad Matt? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. What are you kidding me? It's a goddamn legend, James. Everybody knows Big Dick Daddy Don Garland's shit. Down in Ocala.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Yeah. Oh, man. Snow said it's an honor to be inducted into this Hall of Fame. Wonderful. You know, you've never heard. That's why I fucking love it. Because they're just such hillbillies. You've never heard at any other Hall of Fame,
Starting point is 01:00:05 somebody walk up to the podium and go, it's a real damn nice deal. It's a real damn nice deal here, buddy. Let me tell you something. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. You're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases.
Starting point is 01:00:39 She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Leave her. A-Long. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor.
Starting point is 01:00:51 You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head.
Starting point is 01:01:05 It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. The Stones didn't say it? No. You never heard Deion Sanders say it?
Starting point is 01:01:22 No. It's a damn nice deal. It's a damn nice deal. It's a damn nice deal right here. The word deal is like a Pennsylvania John. Yeah. It could be anything. Deal is anything. Deal could be you're about to be executed.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Deal could be Sunday dinner at your grandma's house. Deal could be your dick. It could be your car. deal could be sunday dinner at your grandma's house deal could be your dick it could be your car it could be your shoes it's like just fuck a girl roll off and go it's a real nice deal right there that's and not even but you know for money exchanging hands just nothing just everything's a good deal nice deal all right there it's a good deal vania john it's like the piss on it from small town murder i'll piss on it it's very similar it's very very uh overutilized maybe but it's certainly it's like it's their smurf they just use it forever but i feel like the guy they say those are the same person the guy who says you know it's a good deal and the other thing i think it's the same person. The guy who says it's a good deal and the other thing. I think it's the same person. It sure is. He said that, let's see, as a person that's put as many years into drag racing as I have,
Starting point is 01:02:36 I would be disappointed to not have gotten into it. And I'd like to tell Don Garlitz, thanks for putting me up while I can still walk there. Oh, so Big Daddy Don Garlitz is involved. I guess he runs the museum. Yeah, that started the Hall of Fame. They said Snow may have been the inspiration for the win on Sunday, sell on Monday thinking that's the basis for factory participation in all forms of motorsports. Wow. Snow began his drag racing career with muscle and high performance cars. He would repair, drive off his used car lot and take to the local drag strip.
Starting point is 01:03:04 A win over the weekend more often than not would produce an eager buyer at Snow's office the next morning. That's cool. Snow moved up the ranks into more exotic machinery, but is best remembered for his pioneering days in the funny car ranks. In 1965, he built the first in a series of rambunctious and snowman dodges, using an injected late model Chrysler Hemi V8. His first Dodge Dart featured fiberglass doors and front end predating the one piece bodies that had become the norm.
Starting point is 01:03:35 He just said, what if it's fiberglass? Then classified by the NHRA as fuel dragster. The car rung up impressive numbers on gas or fuel winning comp and super eliminator titles in 66 and 68 that year snow became that's the first one over 200 miles an hour he says quote it was trails we'd never been down before it's a good deal yeah he said back then we had something different every month we were trying that's's why it was a fun deal. I added the deal part. He said that's why it was fun. He switched to that. We talked about all that shit.
Starting point is 01:04:10 He became the first NHRA member to crack the five-second barrier also. Is that right? Yeah, he cracked all these different barriers. That's why. First. Yeah, he's the first one to do all this shit. He says that he is, is quote older than dirt now yeah at 61 isn't brad pitt 61 that's what i mean well not bad tom cruise 50 yeah tom cruise does his
Starting point is 01:04:37 own stunts and fucking mission impossible movies and shit and you know tries to recruit 20 year old women of scientology and marry him he's fucking all sorts of weird shit at 60. You can do a lot at 61. Yeah, older than dirt. He said he's older than dirt, and then the article says, but the man who made his money in the oil and gas business, that's what it says on the paper, the Fort Worth Star-Telegraph here, still is competing in the NHRA's Federal Mogul Dragster Division as a sportsman racer.
Starting point is 01:05:08 So he's still racing, just not very competitively. He said, quote, this is an absolute hobby. He said, and I've got to be a realist. I don't want to spend what little money I've put aside to retire and the odds eventually get you. I've been pretty lucky not to have gotten hurt real bad. So I'm not trying to blaze any trails, just trying to get out and have a good time. I don't have anyone to answer to that way. It's a good deal.
Starting point is 01:05:33 It's a damn good deal. So right now he's just having fun trying not to lose all his money and crash cars and fuck shit up. Now, that is April 29th, 1999. Very shortly after this, he is April 29th, 1999, very shortly after this. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:45 He is going to be charged with several counts of obscenity and, quote, employment harmful to a child. Employment. Employment harmful to a child. Oh, boy. Now, June, so that charge comes, I guess in 2000, though, June 3rd, 2000, I don't know if this is connected to the 1999 charges or what, but he is charged in June of 2000. It says date of offense is 2000, so I think this is a different one. Oh, boy. Injury to child with intentional bodily injury.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Oh, boy. That's not good at at all we'll say um and it says that he's fined a hundred thousand dollars in june 28 2002 okay is what it says um but then the case goes on here and i can't figure out what the resolution of that was uh of this case, it says on the things I could find, it doesn't say exactly how it got resolved other than court costs and fines. So apparently, a guilty plea maybe, something like that. Court costs and fines? Yeah, it sounds like it.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Or no contest, something like that? Something. And we don't know details. I mean, I don't know. That's not, we're not saying that's what it is. But there's more details on something that happens in a second here. June, or just 2005. We're not saying that's what it is, but there's more details on something that happens in a second here. June, or just 2005, this is from a drag racing message board.
Starting point is 01:07:12 I found some stuff here. A forum somewhere. These guys are real into this shit. They really love it, yeah. This is from a poster called Bross Hogg. Hogg. H-A-W-G. Bross Hogg. Hogg. H-A-W-G. Bross Hogg. Quote, Gene had a rollover
Starting point is 01:07:27 crash in Dallas in, I think, 2005. It was on a test run following the national event on Monday. We had just made a test lap with Eric M's car. This is a guy who's in a racing thing. And we're towing back when Gene's car blew over. Throttle
Starting point is 01:07:43 stuck wide open and spun it into the wall on its side. We made it down the track and shoved a fire extinguisher in the injector to get it shut down. Holy shit. It was on fire. That's not good. They couldn't shut the motor off. They had to kill the combustion. Fucking wow.
Starting point is 01:08:00 Yeah. The rear tires were still spinning. One was on the track and had the car tacoed up against the wall jesus christ was pretty impressive gene said he blacked out and didn't know why and wouldn't get back in the car till he figured it out okay that's what he said holy shit he was behind the wheel and blacked out yeah he didn't understand my and he didn't know why he blacked out and then yeah he didn't know what was going on. So that's not good.
Starting point is 01:08:26 No. He said, until he figures out what the fuck is wrong with me, why I blacked out in the middle of a fucking race, I shouldn't be driving, probably, which is smart. September 22, 2006, this is the title of the article, Drag Racer Snow Arrested, Charged with Molesting Boy. Oh, no. Let's slap his name on an engine and buy it and go jean snow engine i don't want your valve covers no more keep your valve covers to yourself matter of fact cover them valves jean wow cover up them valves uh a noted drag racer from texas is accused of repeatedly molesting a boy for years authority said this isn This isn't one diddle. Not that one diddle is any better,
Starting point is 01:09:06 but this is a systematic... What the fuck? Fucking hardcore. Gene the Snowman Snow surrendered to the Tarrant County Sheriff's Department on September 5th after authorities issued a warrant for his arrest on suspicion
Starting point is 01:09:18 of aggravated sexual assault of a child. Oh my God. He posted $25,000 bail and was released they said um he is oh they went on this is funny i don't know what this has to do with it in the article quote it was released the same day snow 69 of bedford is listed on the national hot rod association's website as one of its top 50 drivers in the organization's history well terrific, terrific. So now you know who he is. Where is he on the molester list? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:48 He was the first funny car driver to go over all of the stats here. I guess that the kid is 17 now, but this is years ago. Yeah. Oh, my. It said a 17-year-old went to sheriff's investigators in July and said that Snow began molesting him
Starting point is 01:10:04 when he was in the fifth grade. Jesus Christ. That's 10, everybody. That's so gross. That is fucking disturbing. So they said the teen who was not identified said he believes that Snow drugged him at least once and had cut holes in the wall of his guest bedroom so he could watch the boy. What the fuck, man? I, I, well, I gotta.
Starting point is 01:10:30 He made like a Scooby-Doo haunted house to, what the shit? He put a picture of the Mona Lisa up and the eyes moved on it, and that's how you could tell it was, it was, there was holes in it. Jesus, Gene. This is fucking, this is a horrible accusation. Terrible. Terrible. Then the teen said Snow paid him for sexual favors.
Starting point is 01:10:56 Thirty dollars on a couple of occasions. Wow. And he's cheap. And he's a cheap fuck. Yeah. That's like a sleazy. That's's a cheap fuck. Yeah. Jesus. That's like a sleazy. That's not even an old strip Vegas. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:09 That's disgusting. And also he said the abuse continued until recently. Oh my God. For years from 10 to 16. Oh Jesus. Based on the teen statement, Texas Rangers executed a search warrant in August and seized two computers, several sex toys, pornography, and other items. He is a deviant. That's not good here.
Starting point is 01:11:36 They said that Snow has seven misdemeanor citations in Tarrant County for public lewdness and obscenity dating back to 1978 so this is like anything this could be shaking your dick at a kid he could have been doing horrible things now public lewdness and obscenity has a different yeah hue on it when you look at it through the fact of he's was apparently allegedly molesting a boy for all this time wow so he's charged with all this shit may 3rd 2007 he pleads guilty really says legendary drag racer from fort worth is pleaded guilty to charges stemming from sexual assault accusations a boy made against him holy shit snow was arrested after the 17 year old said that uh wow he began molesting him in the fifth grade, drugged him, paid him for sexual favors. And, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:28 So he has to plead guilty to something. So that's not good. No, that's terrible. That makes me definitely not want your name on my engine for sure. That'll take the sheen off your Hall of Fame induction. No, shit. I feel bad for that kid, too. Maybe that kid was just, like, interested in engines.
Starting point is 01:12:43 And he's like, I'll show you. I'll show you how to plug a valve. Let me show you my piston. And then next thing you know, he's got holes cut in the wall, and it's creepy as fuck. So you got to feel bad for that kid and feel bad for him, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Gene Snow, business administration and sales and marketing in Joshua,ua texas oh self-employed and uh saying i don't like kids that should be on his about not into kids at all not that guy not a fan next up gene snow tobacco professional much cooler guy What does that mean? I smoke a lot. I just like to show people how to die.
Starting point is 01:13:28 He works for R.J. Reynolds, which is good McMarborough there. Yeah, he's worked there for a long time, I guess. Directory of Treasury Operations. Jesus. Also, Gene Snow, CPCU. I don't know what the fuck that means. Property Claims Adjuster. Oh, I guess that's probably property claim something.
Starting point is 01:13:47 At State Farm Insurance in Ohio. Poor person, too. Jesus Christ. Hi, this is Gene Snow. I didn't touch anybody. Don't know anything about cars. May 21st, 2007. Okay.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Questions over the sexual assault case. Read from the article. The Tarrant County District Attorney's Office over the years has prided itself on being tough on sexual predators. But top Tarrant County Sheriff's officials are puzzled over the plea agreement the DA offered to one accused child molester with a troubling past. Oh, man. Over the past several years, News 8 has reported on Tarrant County peace officers disturbed by the handling of a select few criminal cases. You know, people who are important. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:31 This guy's silver-haired, middle-aged white men are way high up, and this isn't even like a team owner. Right. This is the fucking prosecutor or something, or the DA, or whatever the fuck it is. What they felt were rock-solid cases either watered down or dropped altogether so what happened to the recent sex assault case against racing legend gene the snowman snow or gene snow they called him the snowman gene snow the legendary drag racer and funny car racer who's called the grandfather of drag racing wow uh here but quietly over the years snow developed a reputation with the law.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Yeah. In 78, arrested for public lewdness. In 84, again for public lewdness. In 99, charged with several counts of obscenity and employment harmful to a child. He had hired a young teen to help run his adult novelty shop. A sex store? He hired a young teen to work in his dildo shop. Oh, my. He made dildos.
Starting point is 01:15:30 You can't fucking do that. Did he have the highest horsepower dildos on the market? Oh, these dildos. He made these crazy machines, Jimmy. The first one to have fucking over 300 thrusts per minute. It was crazy. Why was he involved in what the fuck is happening pervert i believe would be the word for that not that you have to be a pervert to be in the sex toys but to want to have children around during this time i'd be like i don't
Starting point is 01:15:59 want any kids near this store they shouldn't even be allowed in the store never mind right there son yes put the put these self yeah no put this self-pulsating vaginas put them on the top shelf and put the cock rings on the second show how many times do i have to tell you high ticket items up top what the fuck sorry all these self-pleasure tools children should certainly be handling. And knowing the product. Like, that's the other part. To sell a product, you've got to be knowledgeable. Put that on your cock. You're putting all that knowledge into a child's head? You son of a bitch.
Starting point is 01:16:35 We place the dildos from smallest to largest on a sliding scale of color. Darkest toward the end, lightest toward the hair. So you'll figure it out. Yes. We need you to know why there are balls on this dildo you need to know let them let them really slap against your taint that's what you need to know this is a child this is crazy unbelievable uh i guess in this shop when it was went after this came out several pornographic devices what's a pornographic devices. What's a pornographic device? I guess a sex toy.
Starting point is 01:17:08 Pornographic devices and videotapes were seized. Most of the charges were dismissed and Snow received probation. Last summer, his trouble with the law escalated. Snow was arrested again, this time by Tarrant County Sheriff's deputies who raided his home in Bedford. The allegations from a 17-year-old
Starting point is 01:17:24 boy outlined in court records, quote, from the boy, quote, this is a rough one, he raped me at his home when I was still in the fifth grade. That's horrific. The alleged sexual acts occurred in Snow's home from 2000
Starting point is 01:17:39 through July 2006. The team gave investigators precise descriptions of evidence they would find in snow's house and bedroom from a cat pattern printed bed sheet to pornographic movies some of which involved what jimmy young boys oh my god let's throw some kiddie porn in there as well terrific he did this pre and post 9-11 oh pre and 9-11 that those buildings coming down did nothing for him made his dick hard wow he's like oh man look at all those people running wish they were young boys that'd be kind of sexy they'll never look into
Starting point is 01:18:16 me with all that shit happening out there come on how are they gonna do my god come on look at me do i look like a i'm in fucking al-qaeda to you that's what he was saying leave me alone 2000 to 2006 that is disgusting um chief deputy mike simmons said his office weighed very carefully the consequences of the teen's allegations quote we removed items from that location and recovered evidence that we felt corroborated the victim's story. If a child knows where you keep sex things and knows specific sex things that you have. And a sheet that is on a bed that may or may not be where you did terrible things to him. When I was a kid, I didn't know what any 60-year-old man's bed sheets were like. Never.
Starting point is 01:19:00 None. No. No. So he said from that point, we put together the best case that we could presented to the presented it to the district attorney's office for filing and they accepted it for filing. But ultimately, his motive for coming forward, the alleged victim said he was afraid that, quote, Gene will do this to other boys. Yeah. Good for you. All this stuff doesn't just happen when you're old like that this he's been doing this it's been it's been happening yeah for this kid to yeah have to worry about everybody else good for you he they said we firmly believe that we had a good case that the information the victim provided us was accurate as of on september 21st of last year the da's office accepted the case
Starting point is 01:19:41 they said uh quote this time it was serious. Aggravated sexual assault of a child under the age of 14. A crime punishable by up to 99 years in prison. Ninety nine. And one that would force him to register as a sex offender, which wouldn't matter if you were in prison for 99 years. At that point, right. point right they said yet three weeks ago on april 30th tarrant county prosecutors lowered the charge to injury to a child under 15 by quote touching him with his hand why would why would they do that the maximum penalty 10 years in jail the kid said he raped me when i was in the fifth grade
Starting point is 01:20:17 right that's not six years he didn't do it just with his hand not for six years no no they said snow took the deal the chief deputy admits he's confused quote well there was obviously some touching that went on during the course of our investigation but it is not one that would have normally led us to filing a case of injury to a child yeah so what does he get you sir may fuck off probation. What? Three years deferred adjudication. And Jimmy, now we're going to level it with him here.
Starting point is 01:20:52 A $300 fine. Get out. He learned his lesson, I think. Right. Slap his name on some engines and fucking get out there. Oh, my God. Yeah. This is a dirty old man is what this is.
Starting point is 01:21:09 It sounds like. How do you get that kind of a deal as what? Okay. For me, it's either if he did it, then he's got to go to prison for this. Yeah. And if he didn't do it, then he shouldn't get anything because obviously he's got to go to prison for this yeah and if he didn't do it then he shouldn't get anything because obviously he's innocent so they made a deal somewhere in the middle they're like well i mean he diddled him but you know i don't know it's no that's not how this works you've got
Starting point is 01:21:36 a kid that can give you an unbelievable description a1 work texas Tell us how you deal with crime more, because I'm sure it's really doing well. I'm sure you're doing terrific at it. You fucking let this guy go and execute retarded people, and we're supposed to be all cool with everything. All right. Fuck off. We're supposed to trust you with your decisions. At least the only saving grace is if you're going to be executed in Texas, the power has a good chance of going out before they're able to throw the switch so that's the only hopefully it's during a snowstorm yeah their grid will go down real quick and then you have at least a fucking few days to figure it out
Starting point is 01:22:14 after that so uh i will be in dallas by the way december 2nd see you in december see you there when there's probably going to be a snowstorm and our show won't happen. We have fun, too. Those are good crowds, usually. Yeah, it's a great place. They said his punishment's probation. He had a $300 fine. While it was stipulated that he have no contact with children under 17, which he shouldn't anyway. He's a fucking old man.
Starting point is 01:22:39 Why are you hanging out with kids? Clearly spelled out in the conditions was that snow would not be subjected to conditions normally assigned to a sex offender in other words no registration the things that you know guard against this happening more those things all the things that happen to stop yeah all of this yeah to get to warn people hey don't leave your kid with this fucking guy so they said the victim and his family was not a part to the party to the plea bargain they didn't even make sure it was okay with them yeah and while it was struck in judge of sharon wilson's criminal court district court she was on a scheduled vacation that day in her place a
Starting point is 01:23:21 visiting judge jerry woodlock he came in visited for a day he's a substitute teacher substitute teacher who decided it was a good idea to let this kid diddler just go what the fuck is happening substitute judge from like a rival county or something that's what i mean we're gonna we're gonna fuck this county all up is it did they is he friends with with jean is i'm not to go full conspiracy theory but did they i mean i don't know what's going on here who knows so they said neither woodlock the defendant gene snow nor anyone from tarrant county district attorney tim curry not that tim curry uh his office has responded to our request for an explanation i would say that's something
Starting point is 01:24:03 you need to answer for if you do right away you need to say look this is why we did this yeah wow meanwhile snow is back at his drag racing headquarters and resuming his role as a racing legend that people believable what blew this dude is this was swept under the rug like it never fucking happened judge sharon wilson says she knew nothing of the plea bargain with snow until we, the newspaper, brought it to her attention. She didn't even know. No, they did it on her day off or whatever, and she fucking had no idea. While she could not comment, Wilson has set a special hearing on this case for Monday morning.
Starting point is 01:24:36 What happened while I was gone? As for the victim and his family, Snow has already settled a lawsuit with them, and the conditions prohibit them from commenting he said he made that he paid them off to fucking nda them wow um june 1st 2007 not surprising another victim comes forward against gene yeah weird right it's not strange it's not just like he doesn't like kids but that one 10 year old was just too hot for him to take He doesn't like kids, but that one 10-year-old was just too hot for him to take. That's not what happened here. He's a pervert. This seems like it, yeah. As they said, new questions are being raised about the prosecution of accused sex offender Gene Snow.
Starting point is 01:25:15 A month ago, the district attorney's office allowed the racing legend to plead guilty to a lesser charge of injury to a child. But another of Snow's alleged victims has come forward telling News 8 he feels his offer to help the DA was ignored. This is another victim that said they went to the district attorney and said I will happily help you put this guy away, and they said, nah, we got it. We're just gonna do a little fucking...
Starting point is 01:25:37 We got it. We got this. It's fine. We're gonna do a little Texas two-step. Oh, man. Want a swing dance, kiddo? Yeah, you'd never do that. They said another. That's crazy. Former Gene Snow's been charged with aggravated sexual child assault. Last October, had been charged.
Starting point is 01:25:53 Repeated sexual molestation. Yes. He avoided a sex offender designation. He did not have to be registered. And received three years probation. That was troubling information for a man from Idaho who wishes only to be identified as Scott. Quote, I'm angry.
Starting point is 01:26:10 I'm outraged, says Scott, who claims to be another of Gene Snow's victims. Back in the late 80s. Oh, boy. Scott says he was a 15 year old fan of then funny car racing legend Gene Snow. He says Snow befriended him yeah in the summer of 87 scott says snow invited him to his home in fort worth where he says he was molested jesus quote he pretty much seduced me there was no drugs involved he invited me to his home and tried to make me feel comfortable and that's pretty pretty much how it happened. Yeah, he's a child.
Starting point is 01:26:45 You're not allowed to do that. He courted, groomed, and got a disarmed child. That's exactly what a pedophile and a predator does. Yep, he didn't drug this one because this one was pliable. He was in awe of him. Right. He was a fan of his. So Scott says he was able to repress the incident
Starting point is 01:27:04 and try not to think about it until the news of his arrest last October. And he said it was at that point he asked an attorney friend to contact the D.A.'s office to contact Tim Curry specifically to offer to help to put him away. Scott says we were willing to do it all. We were willing to go to Texas if necessary. We have some physical evidence that I that why that I was there when I said I was there and proof that I was involved with Gene. He said, I'll show up with evidence for you. I've got a dildo. I've got a fucking stain on my blue dress here and I want to show it to you.
Starting point is 01:27:39 Yikes, yeah. Wow. Wow. Twin Falls, Idaho attorney Hyeong Pak said he spoke to Tarrant County Assistant Prosecutor Kim Diavignon, offering the time and testimony of one of Snow's alleged victims. The lawyer says, quote, Scott could have provided valuable information as to Mr. Snow's motive and opportunities, but they said they never heard back from the D.A. in Texas. Wow. So they were oblivious to the progress of the prosecution of Snow until they were contacted by the news a few days ago. And the news says, quote,
Starting point is 01:28:12 we informed them that sex charges had been dropped. Snow allowed to plead guilty to injuring a child. The lawyer, Pack, said that's horrifying. They should at least
Starting point is 01:28:20 talk to Scott or myself after the initial information that was relayed to their office by me. They should at least let Scott Scott or myself after the initial information that was relayed to their office by me. They should at least let Scott know how the case is progressing since he's a witness who could greatly help their case. But Scott himself is the most pissed off. He says, quote, I know in my heart what happened. And I would go on the stand today and tell my whole entire story about what happened.
Starting point is 01:28:42 And it's ridiculous. They should have called me and they should have asked me more direct questions and they should have pursued it. Yeah. The news asked the DA's office, what up with that? Yeah. And they had no fucking answer. Wow. Scott says, he's being, you're just giving Gene a free pass to do this whenever he feels like it. Anytime, yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:03 Scott said, quote, I was really thinking that this case was going to go forward and that justice would have been served and obviously we know that justice was not served not served at all now 2012 he's still hanging around racing espn is interviewing him on the track oh jesus just interviewing him not mentioning him hey uh convicted child sex predator. Heard about some things. Gene Snow here. Come on, Gene.
Starting point is 01:29:26 Like, if you introduce him like that, fine. Tell the world who he is that way, and then he can say what he wants. But they don't. They're just like racing legend Gene Snow. What do you have to say about this? And I found one of these drag racing message boards. Yeah. Some people are pissed.
Starting point is 01:29:43 Some are not so pissed. People are pissed that he's out there talking. Yeah. Yeah. So I found some comments. These are the, you know, people who care about this shit. And they said, quote, somebody involved want to give ESPN director a heads up before they have their pit reporter interview a well-documented child molester. Biggest event of their year, the drag racing, not ESPN.
Starting point is 01:30:07 Yeah, internationals. And they choose this even this deviant on the air and how did he get in the goddamn racetrack who let him in yeah why is he here there's kids here how did he get on the goddamn race yeah there's kids at a racetrack i love that they said god yeah because it's the only way to fucking. Yeah. How do you get on a goddamn track? This is a person who's it's he's getting more and more pissed. Who let him in? And once NHRA saw him there, they should have refunded his ticket purchase and walked him out of the gate. But we'll probably hear later that Glendora sent him free credentials. That wouldn't surprise me, I guess.
Starting point is 01:30:43 Simply unbelievable. God. Sent him free credentials. That wouldn't surprise me, I guess. Simply unbelievable. God damn it. So somebody responds to this person's comment. Um, dot, dot, dot. Oh, God, I want to punch you already. He runs a slash fuel car in top alcohol dragster. Has for years. His car was at Indy with Chase Copeland behind the wheel.
Starting point is 01:31:03 He was on the line watching his former driver, Spencer Massey, with the Traxxas shootout. While I don't condone what he did, there's no... You're doing it. You cannot start a sentence about a child molester with, while I don't condone what he did. Because you're about to
Starting point is 01:31:19 defend a child molester. Yeah, you're about to condone the shit out of it. I just crossed my arms and went, mm-hmm, yes. Go. Keep going. What else you got? He's pro-C. Love you to expand on that. What else are you going to say? Well, I don't condone what he did. There's no
Starting point is 01:31:36 reason he can't be there as long as he wasn't doing anything illegal at the track. He's not supposed to be around kids and there's kids at the track. There you go. That's illegal. That's illegal. No reason NHRA shouldn't let him be involved with our sport my two cents our sport what how's this your sport sir this is fucking insane why can't we it doesn't matter that he's a child molester we should be able to let child molesters walk around the pit area what's the big fucking deal i don't know children are there holy shit that's what they do wow um then somebody says
Starting point is 01:32:08 gene snow is still active in an hra competition i remember reading an interview a while back that he wanted to get back into top fuel but couldn't afford it no mention of diddling kids at all just interesting story about gene uh next up massy is in the seat because of Snow's crash originally it was supposed to be Steve Torrance but Massey is Snow's fair haired boy oh that sounds oh my let's hope he's of age at least and he outbid the Torrance
Starting point is 01:32:35 family the only paid drivers on DSR's payroll are Caps and Tony the rest buy their seats and bring sponsors to the deal then one person says the deal see bring sponsors to the deal then one person says the deal see bring sponsors to the deal bring sponsors to the job he actually means a business deal but that's the way it's said it sounds so much like that it's just too good next person money is not
Starting point is 01:32:59 an issue with him he sold gas and oil wells a year ago for millions okay like him or not he has pleased he has pleaded his way out of serious charges and they probably cannot stop him from coming like him or not what happened to if i see him there i'm gonna punch him in his fucking mouth because he's a child hey gene don't show up to the track because we're all gonna kick your fucking ass if we see you what happened to that from coming Probably can't stop him from coming. Can't stop. Free country. Okay. That person should be banned from everywhere.
Starting point is 01:33:32 Next comment. I don't ever want to go to a hot rod show after reading these. These are the people there. I didn't know. It looked fun. I'm learning so much. I believe Massey's dad and Snow are lifelong friends. Massey drove for Snow before he drove for Snake.
Starting point is 01:33:50 There's your guy. Snow helped Massey get a job. I bet he did. What kind of job? We don't know. With Snake. And when that fell through, he assisted with DSR. Snow has plenty of money and can afford about anything he wants.
Starting point is 01:34:03 I don't think he wants to put out the effort required to run a top fuel car or wants the publicity but that's just my opinion i have no personal knowledge i'm not excusing anything he's done or been accused of you son of a bitch uh there is no way that should be overlooked or excused having said that i'm about to excuse it i'm about to say we should let a child molester hang around shit i will say that after being around div i guess division four fuel racing for 50 years it's been my experience that gene is one of the nicest guys around and is always willing to assist any racer in any way he can are you kidding me but he's a nice guy i get if someone says hey that guy's an asshole you gotta know he's always been nice to me not with child molesters now you don't get that i guess we
Starting point is 01:34:53 just keep them in the pits working on cars around other men never figured my kids butthole i you kids safe i i got daughters what the fuck having said that wow um um let's see here another commenter this person's a little more on the ball you would think on general principle that you would they would not want to have any association with someone with so many accusations in light of the penn state issues this was 2012 yeah i would think separating themselves as far from possible as possible from someone who's been accused and pleaded down numerous times to serious and disturbing charges would be the wise move yeah not the best way to say hey bring your kids and keep the nitro generation going and then show this guy unbelievable when i saw him on the coverage of the traxxas finals i was disgusted and shocked this is not the type of publicity that the NHRA needs.
Starting point is 01:35:47 Not sure any drag racing writers would go there, or any racing writers would go there, but imagine the damage this would do if an outsider got a hold of it. Hi, guys. Guess what we are? Outsiders. We're a hold of this shit. Another commenter said, you know when that first broke, I met a man who works or worked for NHRA. Everyone would know who he is.
Starting point is 01:36:11 If I mentioned his name, he was in he was in denial about all the Gene Snow stuff, almost like his stellar career excused him from all of this. I thought, man, we make excuses for any deviant behavior anymore. Truth. Next up, I'm not trying to start an argument. But with all these allegations that he has on him, has he ever been convicted or tried? Well, Google search, twat face. You're on the Internet. I know these types of allegations are extremely serious and should be
Starting point is 01:36:46 and should be but have any of them been proven they say a man is innocent until proven guilty but that doesn't seem to apply with this type of allegation and the dipshit of the fucking day award goes to uh commenter mega death on fucking whatever message board this is. Yeah. And then finally here, the last comment, quote, I don't condone what Gene has done, but people seem to be real selective as to who's okay for what they have done wrong and who is not. Yeah, we are. We draw the line at fucking kids is what we do. When a fifth grader says he raped me, I go, that's where the line is right before that.
Starting point is 01:37:29 That's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. Oh, I say, oh, he robbed a bank. I don't know. I don't own a bank. So maybe he'll be okay to me. Hired children to sell dildos.
Starting point is 01:37:42 Bad guy. Bad guy. And then drilled. Oh, Jesus Christ. Gene isn't the first to do anything wrong. And the long and short of it is he has never gone to jail. Sweetheart deals aside, he pleaded. Idiots.
Starting point is 01:37:58 Wow. Let's take up another case. Jerry Ruth. He was convicted and served time in jail for drug trafficking. Who fucking cares? That's not. Yet he is held in high regard every time he comes around the races. Nobody says anything bad about him because they don't have to hide their children. That's why he's not going to go up to your fucking 10 year old and say you want to buy a kilo a blow. Probably. Wow. Fuck. Nobody says anything bad about him. What about all the people whose lives he ruined by trafficking drugs? Okay. That's the same thing, man. These are innocent children.
Starting point is 01:38:32 I could go on and on as there's many racers who've been caught doing something against the law and that have done time for it. But this isn't the forum. Actually, this is exactly what this is. And I wouldn't want to burst anyone's balloon about someone they think is great but don't know what their past really is. Well, you couldn't burst a balloon if child molesting doesn't burst your balloon. What the fuck would? What could possibly do it? Wow.
Starting point is 01:38:57 I think this is him. Gene M. Snow Enterprises, Inc. I believe it's the agent address in Fort Worth, Texas. I think that's his corporate filing for that. That might be his company that does this. It's been incorporated since January 87. Wow. So that seems like it.
Starting point is 01:39:15 Now, 2018, there are some Gene Snows that die here, but I don't think it's him because we found out later as it goes on all the sites i can find number one there's no mention of his dying which would be mentioned in at least these message boards there's nothing on find a grave or no obituaries in any newspapers so from all i can see and on the the people finding sites have, it says he's still alive. So from all I can see, he's about 86 years old and still alive. He'll be 86 this month. Yeah. Happy birthday. Is that it?
Starting point is 01:39:51 I think so. Yeah, that would be 37. Oh, wait, no. It would be 90-something. Jesus Christ. Right? Holy shit. Yeah, that's old.
Starting point is 01:40:00 You might be right. He might be 87. He was born in 36? Yeah. Yeah, he'd be 86. It's 13 minus, yeah, 86's old. You might be right. He might be 87, 86. He was born in 36? Yeah. He's 13 minus, yeah, 86 years old. This is why we didn't try math before. Because we were bad at it. So there's that.
Starting point is 01:40:13 Otherwise, Gene's still out there wandering. Dirty, even older man now, I guess. That's so frightening. Allegedly. So, yeah. No, it's not even allegedly. He got convicted of doing shit. So, there you go.
Starting point is 01:40:24 Number 26 of top 50? He's in the top 50. Right in the middle of the top 50 drivers of all time. You looked it up? Is it 26? Yeah. Yeah. 26.
Starting point is 01:40:36 Yeah. Gross. I bet he'd be number one in the grossest driver ever put together. What a terrible man. What a terrible, terrible man. That is bad shit now in addition to that story i wanted to uh give a little update on a couple of things oh yeah number one the situation what the fuck okay somehow his brother yakub is that how you say it yakub yeah yakub okay his brother got charged with this whole.
Starting point is 01:41:05 We left off with there was a shooting and they were investigating it still. There was a fight at a Pop Warner game over refereeing. The Tlaibs were coaches. Right. And, yeah, Yacoub Tlaib was accused of shooting 43-year-old Michael Hickman, who was one of the coaches. Police showed up after the brawl had happened and gunshots had followed. The man was dead. They said later on, witnesses, one witness said,
Starting point is 01:41:31 Aqib incited the whole uproar. The game would have never been stopped had Aqib not come over to our sideline to yell at the refs. Witnesses in all of this state that Aqib went off after a flag was thrown on the nine and under team he sponsored nine and under this doesn't matter these are these they're seven year olds on the field it does not matter they don't know what half the rules are those kids you could tell them that's 10 yards for farting and they'd be like up 10 yards for farting they have no idea you're you're saying
Starting point is 01:42:03 no that way several times today several turning his big helmet around going this direction with your big stupid helmet yeah so they said that um he ran across the field began to chew the refs out and um the opposing team's defensive coordinator i find it hilarious that they have coordinators for fucking nine years offensive defensive and head coaches you got special teams too come on you know you do stop it this is the o-line coach here told whitlock close that's what was so weird all the tension was because of them and the refs there was no problem between the coaches right the other guy got shot it was a coach not a ref right and so the refs the guy that akib yelled the ref, why are you throwing a flag?
Starting point is 01:42:46 And the other coach came over. Yeah. And now there's a brawl for no reason. The guy said, we all know each other. Kerry Lewis and Yakub coach together. They all know each other. This guy says, I followed Aqib his whole career starting at Kansas. The other thing is that it was their event.
Starting point is 01:43:03 It was Aqib's he was they were the hosts they hired and paid the refs they chose these fucking people the refs quote weren't cheating for us right it was just a bad call because you know how you don't get top tier refs reffing a seven-year-old's game they miss calls in the nfl and those guys are good at it sorry ed hockley didn't show up today yeah jesus christ as the verbal altercation worsened the game was canceled that's when the 43 year old man went to go grab a football that was near the talib brothers along with a few others his team's footballs he was gathering them up the coach began to pick up the ball and akib swung on him yep the coach retaliated by hitting akib with a yardage
Starting point is 01:43:46 marker yeah because he's not going to fight a professional athlete without that if the guy just punched him and he's a he was a big guy too like yeah clearly not he doesn't go to the gym every fucking day no as the brawl worsened the coach tried to escape from the fight a few seconds later he dropped the yardage marker and five shots rang out not one now i'll i'll shoot you in the leg and say fucking get off this shit don't hit my brother five times meanwhile there's 39 and under year old children including michael hickman's seven-year-old son who was right there they said there's no justification no justification this is the opposing coach for having a weapon at a kid's football game.
Starting point is 01:44:25 It's 90 degrees outside and you're wearing a black hoodie. None of it makes sense. Our babies were all there. Yakub's kids were there. Mike's kids. Football fields are supposed to be a safe haven for these kids. This is where they go to get away from the street life. They come here to feel safe.
Starting point is 01:44:40 It's not like that anymore. It's not like that anymore. So they ended up arresting Yacoub and he said that he regrets the tragic loss of life but self-surrendered this morning so that he may have the chance to say his side of the act. You get in a fight. If you're there with your brother, you're there together. We know how we fucking roll. You're there together. Your brother starts, it's not like the guy started a fight with a keep and attacked him with a yard marker while his back was turned or anything.
Starting point is 01:45:17 A keep threw the fucking first punch. He's in a fight now. You come up to jump into a fight that two other people are having with a gun to Esco. That's how you jump in is five rounds. A yardage marker to a gun is a big step up. That's crazy. So I don't know how the fuck he didn't get charged with that.
Starting point is 01:45:37 One of the coaches on the other side said, Aqib Tlaib ran across the field, ran over on our sideline, and got in the ref's face. He threw the first punch, and you see Mike Hickman trying to defend himself. It's fucking ridiculous, and somehow he doesn't get charged. I can't imagine if me and you were out hanging out, and some shit happened, and you punched somebody, and then I shot him after that when the guy tried to defend himself. I think both of us are going to fucking jail, right? Why'd you do that, man?
Starting point is 01:46:03 Now we're both in trouble. Fuck, dude. us are going to fucking jail right why'd you do that man now we're both in trouble fuck dude so his brother has to plead guilty and does because it's on camera for christ's sake i saw it on twitter oh man and he releases this statement through his attorney akib was present when this unfortunate incident occurred and is very distraught and devastated over this terrible loss of life he would like to convey his condolences to the family of the victim and to everyone who witnessed the unfortunate tragedy i'm real sorry you guys real sorry well uh the family uh sues akib and his brother here for one million dollars in damages here which
Starting point is 01:46:39 makes a lot of sense yeah i would say um wow they said by the way he had uh the bobcats their coaches apparently meaning the talibs had become physically and verbally abusive before this even happened they were yelling and screaming and they said hickman uh defensively backpedaled to extricate himself from the situation before yakub fire uh fired approximately five shots from a handgun that he was by the way not permitted to carry because he was a convicted felon right yeah so but his sentencing you sir may fuck off 37 years in prison for that wow and akib got who got nothing he did lose he did lose his amazon uh sports job no no no no no he didn't quote he was part of Amazon's Thursday night football coverage, but stepped aside to, quote, spend more time with his family during the arrest.
Starting point is 01:47:29 They didn't fire him. He took a sabbatical. He'll be back. He'll be back. Watch. I guarantee you he'll fucking be back. No charges. And then one other little update.
Starting point is 01:47:38 Sonny. Uh-huh. Sonny. Yeah. Who, by the way, the pictures of her in court right now looks like she's in there for killing her grandchildren. What the fuck happened? She looks like a mean grandma. So fast. Prison. She looks like a mean grandma now. She was
Starting point is 01:47:52 arrested, obviously, for fucking ramming her car and killing a man named Julian LaFrancis Lassiter, who's 75 years old. And there's a civil suit. Her blood alcohol level was.28, which is holy shit well above the legal limit there that is uh almost four times the legal limit right and first she got
Starting point is 01:48:11 bailed out remember she bonded out then they got her back and they said that um uh now she finally has pled guilty to all this shit and they said according yeah according to documents in addition to the plea of felony dui causing death she also pleaded no contest to one felony charge of driving with license suspended causing death for misdemeanor counts of DUI with damage to a person. That's an understatement. And two misdemeanor charges of DUI with damage to property. So they said. Did she plead guilty to. All of that.
Starting point is 01:48:45 All of that. All of that. And in addition, doing exactly what a podcast said she was going to do to. Exactly. Yeah. Plead guilty to exactly what the fuck we said. Remember we played that on the one update of Mesa. She's going to kill somebody's grandpa. She's going to kill somebody's grandpa.
Starting point is 01:48:59 Boom. Did it. These charges carry a maximum sentence of up to 25 years in prison it should be longer but go on she's definitely going to do a decade we'll put it that way and sentencing has not been scheduled yet we're still waiting on that that could take forever she pled guilty to all of these very bad charges that have 25 years in prison maximum modem so she's fucked there's that but gene snow is even grosser that's disgusting gene snow and akiva to leave her still out there she's fucked and so is a fifth grader so this is gross that's
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